NFL Stock Exchange: An NFL Draft Podcast - 299. Early OT Rankings for 2025 NFL Draft

Episode Date: January 10, 2025

0:00 - Intro 11:20 - Charles Grant, William & Mary 16:45 - Marcus Mbow, Purdue 30:00 - Aireontae Ersery, Minnesota 42:20 - Ozzy Trapilo, Boston College 54:55 - Cameron Williams, Texas 1:02:55 - Wyatt Milum, West Virginia 1:12:50 - Josh Conerly Jr, Oregon 1:19:00 - Armand Membou, Missouri 1:27:05 - Josh Simmons, Ohio State 1:31:10 - Kelvin Banks Jr, Texas 1:37:20 - Will Campbell, LSU 1:46:40 - Recap

Welcome to the opening bell of the NFL Stock Exchange podcast. Trevor Sycamore, Connor Rogers here for you with another position ranking episode. Today, we're opening up the big beauties. We're talking about offensive tackles here. We're ranking our top 12 early offensive tackles for the 2025 NFL draft. Connor, how are we doing, my friend? This one's a grind in a good way, but you and I were joking before we started recording. This was real D-Gen hours for us this week. Jeez, was it ever. Our homes started to look like Gollum's cave, like a real cellar.

We were laughing to really pull back the curtain on this one, folks. You know, O-line's a grind anyway, because the best way you could put it is once you have a feel for how a guy moves, how he looks, all those things, and we're lucky enough with PFF Ultimate, which is a beast. You can filter out what you want, but you can watch a lot of reps that not a lot is happening at times. You really have to do the deep dive here beyond like any limits.

And we were laughing, ironically, both of our lovely ladies were on business trips this week. So- Thank goodness for this episode. This episode might not have happened happen thank god it would not you and i just home with our dogs uh it's just disgusting the way we've been living i mean we basically wake up watch tape when we're not doing our day jobs and other content and you know eating like cavemen and watching chicken rice and rice. Chicken and rice.

Chicken and rice. And just until we fall asleep with rice hanging out of our mouths. I've never been healthier, actually. Right. There is a part of it that's really good, but the lack of sunlight is an issue. But we do this for you. And we are going to rank our top 12 offensive tackles today because of it. Yeah, we're going to have a lot of really good conversations,

I think, within this group because, you know, as we've gone through the mock draft exercises, in case you guys missed the mock draft in the beginning of the week, you can check that out. You know, there are teams at the very top of the draft, like, for example, the New England Patriots, where desperately need offensive line, right? Worst offensive line in the NFL this year.

And yet, we're sitting here having a debate. What position do you go with? Do you go with maybe one of these offensive linemen, or even do you not pick an offensive lineman overall because we just think that there's better players on the board? You don't want to force a need. So we're really going to get into the details of what this offensive tackle class is all about,

how high we think these guys should go, what position we ultimately feel like they're going to play at the NFL level, because it's not like some of these guys at the top these these names that we've heard for the last couple of months it's not that they're not good it's just do we think they're going to be tackles at the nfl level and if they're not tackles do you take them in the top five do you take them in the top eight top ten whatever it is so we're gonna get into a ton of that uh we'll rank that our our top 12 for what we have right now there's a lot of other offensive tackles that i want to get into a ton of that. We'll rank our top 12 for what we have right now. There's a lot of other offensive tackles that I want to get to.

And specifically with this group, I like to intro some of the guys that we know are going to be, you know, potential, I'll just say top 150 type of players. But the all-star weeks are really helpful for offensive line play. Like that is where when I get to see these guys in person, I'm sure you're the same way, whether it's a trying senior, whatever, seeing them in person changes how you feel about them. And sometimes you can see their strengths and weaknesses in different way when you're field level and you get to watch these guys and get that practice tape out there. So to me, I'm excited

about this to sort of intro the class and our thoughts of the top guys, but really it's that final offensive tackle and final interior offensive line rankings that I look forward to the most sometime around March and April before we get to the draft. I'm glad you said that because I while doing these evals and some guys we watched over summer, some guys we didn't. There was almost like a fill in the blank thing for me in some of the reports where I need to see this in mobile or I hope to see this in mobile to get some more answers and full transparency for today's show. Like if you don't hear a name that I'm sure we'll caveat all this anyway, that you're like,

wait, where's that guy? It probably means that we view him as interior O-line only. And this is the tackle show. Yeah. I'm also going to rank some guys, not during the final rankings that we do in a couple months. Then I will have it split up. I'm either ranking you as this or I'm ranking you as that because when I post my rankings, I don't want doubles. But the early rankings, I will rank some guys today, how I would evaluate them as a tackle in this class, but I will also say that they'd be higher,

potentially higher, in the guard rankings. So you might see a name where that guy might be the best offensive lineman in the entire draft in my eyes, but he might be the third, fourth, fifth tackle. So that's really important to remember how you project the guy's ceiling at guard versus how you see his ceiling at tackle. And we've seen this over the years we've seen various players it was a conversation around rashaun slater although he's really settled in a tackle right you think of peter skaronsky you think of elijah vera tucker this happens every single year and it's a good way to kind of round it out now but it'll be finalized

later yeah like just off the top of my head, like Jonah Savanaia from Arizona. I don't have him in this episode. I'm watching him as an interior offensive line. Same for me. And that's that changed since summer. I thought I was kind of in the mold of let's see if he could stick at tackle. Now I'm just like, hey, I think he's best at guard. I'm going to evaluate him as a guard.

Emery Jones from LSU. Same for me. Also think is a guard. Who else might be in that conversation that i'm not talking about today i i didn't watch uh charles grant for offensive tackles i know you did i think he might be an interior offensive lineman maybe even a center so i didn't get to him because there were a couple of other tackle specific players that i wanted to get to for this specific episode but just so everybody knows like those are some guys that might be more high-profile guys

who you might know their names who I don't have on my initial tackle list because I'm probably going to watch them for interior offensive linemen. I don't know if there was anybody else other than, those are the three that I wanted to mention right off the top just to make sure that people commenting were like,

wow, this guy's all the way outside of your top 12 or whatever it is, but I just wanted to get that out of the way. Yeah, I think one more that I'm going to watch for interior and maybe the senior bowl changes this because he does have an invite and accepted invite. The last time I checked would be Anthony Belton from NC State. Yes. Yeah. So he won't be on this show today for me, but somebody that I, you know, I'm obviously going to group with the guards. But once again, these these things are very fluid these next three months. All right, today for me but somebody that i uh you know i'm obviously gonna group with the guards but once again these these things are very fluid these next three months all right let's dig into it now uh

you know we'll talk about these guys we'll start at number 12 we'll descend our way down all the way to number one leave the suspense for the end of the episode who are offensive tackle one could be at this point in time we'll talk about a lot of things here we'll talk about fits you know like run scheme fits do we think they're more uh between the tackles power blocking players do we think they're more zone blockers how we think they project and pass protection um i'll give you guys a couple of early pro comps that i have for some of these guys because i know you love the the pro comp stuff but i'll let you start i i do you want to do you want to go like 12 to 9 sure just do like the first four and then we could really dig into those top eight

guys after that i feel like that might be an easier way to do it yeah i think that's fine okay so 12 for me who was ironically tackle 11 over summer uh new york's very own organs johnny cornelius okay nice he is their right tackle for those at home uh who watched a lot of oregon this year or did not and okay so 11 for me is Charles Grant that you mentioned from William and Mary he's been a stock-up guy on this show he has played uh a lot of football for them Charles Grant he I want to make sure I have this exactly right so Grant at William and Mary he has played 41 games at left tackle since 2021, which is a lot of experience.

We're going to have a longer combo about him because he has one of the most unique builds I've seen for an offensive lineman in quite some time. I am led to believe, just from the sheets I have, from spring measurements and stuff, I think he played a lot of his college career under 300 pounds. Yeah, he looks like it. But he has really long arms, from what I can see.

So it's just, it's very, very strange. We'll have a long combo about Grant, and probably a longer combo about Grant in our final O-line rankings. So that was 11. 10 for me was Marcus Mbo, who generated a long conversation on pronunciation before the show. We want to make sure we always have that right. Marcus and Bo is the right tackle from Purdue who has started 14 games at right guard in 2022, six at right tackle in 2023. I believe that season

was ended due to a broken leg and 12 at right tackle in 2024. So some position versatility for Marcus and Bo from Purdue. And then finally, number nine, Ozzie Trapillo. Is there or is it Trapillo? Oh, man, we didn't look this one up. I should have looked this one up. Sorry, Ozzie. We will make sure that is done before by the senior bowl.

Maybe I'll just go up and ask you. Hey, man, how do you say? Please give me the try. No, we'll get that one done. But Ozzy Trapillo from Boston College. I want to think it's I want I want to think that it's Trapillo. I want to think that. That's what the first guess would be.

Ozzy Trapillo. He is the right tackle from Boston College. A large man. He is a hair under 6'8", 314 pounds, an accepted Senior Bowl invite, 10-game starter at left tackle in 2022. In the last two years, he has started 12 games each year at right tackle. Let's give a couple of thoughts a couple surprises there for you like

anything jump out of your seat no no not really i mean strangle me no no it's actually we see them close um there's a couple of guys that i like a little bit better there's one guy who's in my top 12 who i wonder if you had the opportunity to get to or not but i'll get to him in a second i do want to talk a little bit about Charles Grant first. You mentioned we could have a little bit deeper of a combo on him. I didn't do a full eval on him, but I saw him kind of the same way that you did. You know, if he's going to play, he's listed 6'4".

They list him at 300 pounds. Like you said, I think that he might be a little bit less than that. Playing at William & Mary, did he really go up against NFL-level competition? That's the big question because you figure the answer is no. So obviously him playing at the All-Star events are going to mean a lot. But when you're right around 300 or less than 300, it's hard for me to accurately project you to tackle at the NFL level

because even if he's just 300, like even if he is flat 300 at 300 pounds, that's seventh percentile at the NFL level because even if he's just 300 like even if he is flat 300 at 300 pounds that's seventh percentile for the NFL and if he's 60 if he's six foot four that's eighth percentile so he's just not really built like an offensive tackle but he moves really well and he's got those long arms you love that about him he lacks a little bit of sand in the pants obviously when he's taking on power and trying to anchor that comes with being a little bit lighter of a weight but with as quick as he is i wonder if you're not even guard like maybe even center right maybe he could be a center prospect because of how quickly he can move and obviously it's advantageous to have those long arms no matter where you're playing along the offensive line so just from a build profile when i watched him and i did a little bit of a mid-season eval on him to get

him on the mock draft simulator i felt like he's probably more of an interior offensive lineman do you do you lean that way as well or do you still feel as though because we'll talk about marcus mo next who is sort of of a similar conversation as a lighter offensive tackle but for grant do you think there's a world where he can play it offensive tackle, or do you think it's much more likely that he's inside because of how he is built? I'll say I left it more up in the air than I thought going in. Like when you look at small school guy, light, great athlete.

I mean, this is someone who was an all-state wrestler coming out of the state of Virginia. I mean, explosive athlete, a 99th percentile run blocking grade in zone. Like you, you want like a masterclass of zone blocking, but there's no doubt Trevor, like this is a jarring step up in competition. I don't think he's a great drive blocking gap scheme kind of presence. Right. So that, so I think that's where I was kind of your, I agree like center.

I would prefer center over guard. I actually don't reps there as a senior. I don't really love the idea of his projection at guard unless I was, I literally wrote down like Miami dolphins. Like I thought right away, I was I literally wrote down like Miami Dolphins like I thought right away I was like yeah this is a Mike McDaniel kind of interior offensive lineman and I know that's almost become you know cliche at times but it's an easy way to kind of help the viewer visualize this I want to see him get reps at both at the senior bowl because I I'm a little intrigued at tackle I understand he's never going to be this road grading, bulky tackle. He's always going to be a little bit undersized against power, but I like the arm length. I love the athleticism in his pass sets,

and I think he's somebody that can match movements, but you do wonder about speed to power, heavier edge players. So full transparency for you, and I'm glad you brought him up. I was more open-ended on Grant, where I think he's got a real shot at tackle. I watched him and Bo, and I thought center right away. And I was a little surprised I haven't seen that combo yet anywhere. He was someone where I was like, man, he could be a great center in my

opinion. And I don't love his long-term projection at tackle, even though he's a good prospect, which is really interesting. So Grant was more open-ended for me while I thought, and Bo was somebody that I could see a really high ceiling if he gave him a crack at center. Yeah, and I definitely want to jump into Marcus and Bo from Purdue in a second, but that is also sort of how I felt about Charles Grant. He's quick, he's got some good bends, some good flexibility tools. When you're playing along the interior offensive line, you've got to have that good core strength. If I remember correctly, I think he was an all-state wrestler in high school.

Yeah, all-state wrestler out of Virginia. When he was in high school, he was a zero-star recruit coming out of Virginia. He went under the radar. You can see how he got to William & Mary, but you can also see, again, when you turn on the film, why the NFL is pretty intrigued on this guy. I think the senior bowl does a great job. We saw this with Jackson Powers Johnson last year.

We saw this with Dominic Pooney last year. Like these guys, and we've seen it with plenty of players in the past. Like Cody Mock, they did this as well when he was coming through and he was at the senior bowl. Christian Haynes, if I remember correctly. I can't remember. Yes, I know they wanted to. They were versatile with him plenty as well. And so when thefl sort of has these

questions of hey we'd like to see it a lot of these different spots a lot of times the senior bowl the shrine bowl they will oblige and they will put these guys in these positions to see how they play and see how comfortable they could possibly be now it's obviously not the be all end all for their evaluation there at their position because maybe they haven't played center before maybe they haven't played on the opposite side of the line scrimmage but it's the beauty of these all-star events and so i'm excited to see that with grant bo for me is so i didn't have grant on my list but bo for me is 10 okay so he comes in at number 10 i i do like this player oh same for same for me, by the way.

But he's very interesting. 6'5", 300 pounds. So sort of the same thing. If he's right at 6'5". He looks it. Like, Grant, if you just show a picture, there's some density because he's, I don't know, maybe he's more compact.

He's also playing up against guys that aren't NFL caliber. That's a good point. I think about that. You are's also playing up against guys that aren't NFL caliber. You know what I'm saying? That's a good point. I think about that. You are correct. No, no, that's a good counter. But Mbo I looked at and I'm like, oh man, like he is just a light offensive lineman. And there's a lot of perks that come with that in this game.

Yes, yes. So Mbo is a man of culture, as the kids say. His father's from Africa. Speaks fluent French. Yes. Multi-sport player in high school, played basketball, played football, all this kind of stuff. So he's a very cultured offensive lineman in multiple ways, sport and not. Well, hear me out. Remember I said move him to center?

Yes. Him and the offense get on the same page and call out the protections in French. And the defense would never have a clue. I'm playing 4D chess right now. This is good. This is good. This is good. Maybe get a Babel subscription for these guys, you know, in the summer.

That's what training camp is. You know, you got to learn French in three weeks. That would be the NFL story that would just blow up oh my god by the eighth pre-game show doing it you're like okay did you know that the rest of the orphans of lime and learn to speak fitzpatrick went to harvard is what it is oh my god yes it would that would be the new fitzpatrick went to harvard you are correct but okay so beau from Purdue a little background for him redshirted his first year started all 14 games at right guard in 2022 yeah and then kicked out to tackle oh man he what did what did he miss that season for he only played six games that first season he was right tackle

and I can't remember what the injury was broken leg I wanted to say it was a broken foot broken leg there we go so then 2023-20, obviously he's recovering from the broken leg. My leg broke. My leg! So he obviously recovered from that from 2023, played the full 2024 season, and he looked really good. The speed is the thing that you like the most about him. That's the thing that's so intriguing, right?

Because offensive linemen, they tell you all the time, we're the best athletes on the field. We're carrying a hundred more pounds than you are. And we still got to run and we got to hit landmarks and we got to get in front of people. And we got to bend our bodies certain ways. And the core strength has got to be fantastic. We've got to be the best all around athletes on the field. That's what offensive linemen will tell you. And they got a good case for it. When you move like Mbo does that is extremely intriguing and alluring now he's he's sort of unorthodox in how he plays like he almost moves so well that he's sort of like playing the offensive line position in a way where you're not used to seeing like for example like in zone

blocking play sometimes he'll beat the defender to the spot so well that he doesn't like turn his shoulders and and try to wall them off he'll like box them out like a basketball player you know like he'll like stick his butt straight at him and he'll hold his arms out it's like all right he was there so early he could like read a book before it's like all right i guess that works it's a little unorthodox unorthodox but uh but go off i i like the projection at center i really do the thing that worries me the most about him with the center projection though is that he's so upright in his pre-snap stance and there's some other players that we'll talk about sometimes that's an offensive line coach taught thing like sometimes they just tell you,

hey, you're moving a little bit better or we want you to be able to hit certain depth or really neutralize pass rushes a certain way. Or maybe it's just the style and how they are taught that they are more upright in their pre-snap stance. But when you play center, you got to get low. And if Mo can do that, I am all for this projection to center. And I think he could be a damn good center, honestly.

So you know how we talked about Parker Brailsford from Alabama during the summer? I think Marcus and Bo can be what you want out of Parker Brailsford. He's just doing it with 25 more pounds. Right, like the weight you wanted it. Exactly. Yes. So that's, this is another player who I'm hoping gets a little bit of versatility at those all-star events. He's so quick and he's so explosive with that first step that even at just 300 pounds, he'll pop you like that first, that first jolt of contact, he's got some decent power of punch. Now it takes him a lot, and sometimes he can't maintain that power,

and sometimes he's easier to stack and shed. He's easier to just get off of him. It's harder for him to maintain that block. But he'll put his shoulder into your chest. He'll give you a pop. He's a very competitive player, and I love that about him. The narrow base, the upright base, I think it makes it a little bit easier for him to get off balance,

which I'm a little bit worried about. But again, if we can improve the hip flexibility, if he can really sink down and again, if he can play center, I just, I think that's a great spot for him. So as a tackle, I'm worried about how effective he can be. It's why he's tackled 10 for me here. But if you move him inside and you tell me he's going to play center, I like this guy a good amount.

So he's a lot of fun to watch. He's a really athletic offensive tackle. That's the perfect, you know, once again, I want to emphasize on this show, and I'm sure our rankings will just be like, you know, clipped out and posted and everyone's like, oh, you idiots. But there are guys that have such a higher ceiling in this tackle group on the inside for various traits and reasons. And Bo, to me me was one of the

pinnacles of that so tackle 10 for each of us but yeah like you said if we're doing center rankings and he gets looks there at the senior bowl I I think I think it would be pretty big for him personally in this class my early like style comp for him uh I think he could be a little bit better of a player and honestly I like this player more coming out think he could be a little bit better of a player. And honestly, I like this player more coming out. So I've been a little bit disappointed with how he has played in the pros. Brady Christensen, who played left tackle at BYU. But while he has been with the Carolina Panthers, he's played left tackle. He's played guard.

He has even played center for them. This past year, he had his best year as a blocker, and it came at the center position. And so that just position versatility, both of those guys a little bit lighter i i see that sort of the same but um i could have a little uh even higher expectations for for for him bow if he's able to move inside so all right let's i'll do uh i'll do my 12 through 9 and then i think we can have a couple of other conversations because bow was the only one that we all had in there that was the similar player. Okay.

I chased Lunt from UConn. Okay. The sixth year, giant looking power forward, six foot eight, right tackle. I have him at number 12. Again, really nice movement skills. Yeah. You worry about the weight profile. He's listed, I think, at like 290,

zeroth percentile for an offensive tackle at the NFL level. So that worries me because his bigger, taller, longer frame lends itself basically to him just being an offensive tackle. But he's got to get his weight up in that regard. Like he reminds me of Conor McDermott and the fact that like Conor McDermott and the fact that like Connor McDermott was the same thing, six foot eight lower on the weight profile was able to run really well.

Looked like a very well-coordinated athlete. And he was a six round pick and he's still sticking around in the NFL. He's bopping around. He's still playing in the league, but you've got to be able to play with power better to be a consistent offensive lineman in the league. I think there's a lot of things that Lunt does well from a smooth athlete standpoint, especially for a guy that is built as tall as he is, but the lack of power profile, that's why I put him at number 12 here.

Number 11, I have Brandon Crenshaw Dixon from Florida. Played at San Diego State for a handful of years. He played this past year. I believe it was the last two years or maybe it was just 2024. No, it's just 2024 at Florida. This is somebody who you talk about having a lot of experience. You mentioned this with Charles Grant, who was the one who you said has played a ton of football. Yeah, he started 41 games at left tackle.

Yes, it's the same thing for Crenshaw Dixon. He's right around 40 games as a starter throughout his college career. He's played over 3,000 snaps between San Diego State and then playing at Florida. He was sort of in and out of the lineup early parts of the season with the Gators. But to me, this guy has played so much football and his game reflects it. I love that he is built appropriately for the offensive tackle position. He's 6'7", 315 pounds. He plays a little bit lighter than you would think for being a guy who is 315. I think he's got to get

more functionally stronger. He's got to be able to take on bull rushes a little bit better. But to me, the technique is fantastic. And what I love the most about Crenshaw Dixon is his combination of patience and long arms. Sometimes when you have long arms, you know that you can dictate contact, right? There's a lot of advantageous reasons to have long arms at the NFL level. One, you want to be able to keep, and I think we talk about this all the time, so it'd be good to explain it here. When you have long arms as an offensive tackle, one, you can dictate contact if you want, right?

You don't have to let the defensive lineman get into your chest or get too close to you in order to make contact and make a punch and try to get them off of their rushing path, whatever it is. You can dictate contact to them when you have longer arms. It also means that when you have longer arms, if you could fully extend your arms, and if your arms are longer than theirs, well, then guess what the defensive linemen are going to be doing? Grasping at air. They can't grab onto you they can't generate power you have the length advantage so you can get your hands up and inside you can latch on and then you can extend your elbows and control right that's what you're able to do when you have those long arms also it's like

boxing right exactly when defensive linemen are coming straight at you when they are using their hands to knock away your hands and everything like that you can still get your hands up and around and still disrupt them when you have all of those longer arms so it carries a multitude of advantages when you are an offensive tackle with long arms that's why people talk about the threshold of you know the 34 inch arms or some teams have different sort of thresholds for arm length for offensive tackles. But ultimately, that's why. Because pass rushers at the NFL level,

they're quick, they're explosive, they're powerful, but they also have those long arms to give you a long arm move. And if they can stick their arm fully extended into your chest and as an offensive tackle, if you can't grab onto them with power to counter it, you're just going to get knocked back on your heels. You're going to be way too easy to manipulate. And that's a

disadvantage that you have when you don't have those long arms. So getting back to Crenshaw Dixon for Florida, he knows he has those long arms, which is great because he's also patient with it. So as rushers are coming at them, he doesn't feel the need to, oh, I got to lean far onto my toes to make sure that I lean to try to get power to get my arms on this guy. He goes, no, no, no, I know I got this. I got the long arms to mitigate. So he'll allow these rushers sometimes to take two, three steps,

and maybe they're trying to go up the arc and around the outside shoulder, and he'll just patiently be sitting there with those super long arms. And the second he finds it advantageous, boom, the arm goes out. It's either hitting the shoulder, hitting the chest, whatever it is. And he's knocking these guys off of their path. And I just love not just the fact that he has long arms, but how patient he is with those long arms. To me, that means a lot for an offensive tackle

and somebody who plays in a really smart manner. I wish he was a little bit more powerful. I wish he had a little bit more nastiness when it came to gap and power scheme running, but moves pretty dang well for a player of his size, and I love the patience that he plays with. So Crenshaw Dixon from Florida, I got him at 11. I already talked

about Marcus and Bo, who I have at number 10. And then number nine, a player who I thought I was going to be higher on. I'm not going to lie. And after sort of a full eval of four separate games, and I'll watch more, obviously, as we go on throughout the offseason, but Ariante Erisery from Minnesota. Okay.

I thought I was going to be higher on him because... I had a similar experience. Watched him over the summer and then watched him a little bit in the middle of the season, and I still liked him a similar experience. Watched him over the summer and then watched him a little bit in the middle of the season, and I still liked him a good amount. I think it's just a separate conversation that we need to have there. So before we get to Ursary, is there anybody else that you wanted to hit on there with anybody in my 12 through 9? No.

I watched Lunt, and I would have him right there at 13, 14 kind of range. I think we saw him very similar. I had Ajani Cornelius at 13 14 kind of range i think we saw him very similar i had ajani cornelius at 13 okay so we basically flipped those guys right and then crenshaw dixon i did not watch for this i know he's on the shrine roster uh in my final offensive line rankings i will have him written up as well so and then ursery it sounds like we had a kind of surprising similar experience. I was a little higher on him than you. You had him at nine.

I had him at nine. Yes. Yeah, I had him at seven. OK, to be honest with you, if you told me in September that I'd have Ursary at seven during this exercise, I'd be a little surprised because he he felt like the guy that was in play to be tackle one before the season. And it was a pretty open field, I want to be clear. He didn't have a leg up on anyone or anything like that.

But yeah, I don't think it was the season where he kind of stamped his mark and solidified himself as a top tackle in this class. I mean, we could get into it now. Let's get into him. So he's nine for me. He's seven for you. Give me a little bit of an intro on him and just who he is as a prospect for the good people. And then we'll sort of talk about what might've been disappointing from what we saw from 2024 from Ursury. Yeah. So Ursury, number one, what stands out to you is just the sheer size. We've done a lot of, oh, this guy's size, outlier, this and that. You don't even think twice about that with Ertzuri, who's 6'6", 330 pounds. I mean, he is

a very, very large human, quite frankly. He is somebody that looks the part, but also moves well at 6'6", 300 pounds. And I want to pull up his exact left tackle from Minnesota, of course. He started for them for three years, but what'll jump out to people is he's been with the program five. It's kind of rare in this era. So he's been in, in PJ flex, Minnesota program for five years starter for three years. And somebody who, you know, has gotten better in my opinion over time, but it felt like after a pretty big 2023, although some pass blocking limitations, he has stalled out a little bit. He's somebody that does have the size

to move people off the ball when they get the, you know, they have Darius Taylor, so they can run a lot of different. He's an excellent young running back. He won't be in this draft class, but they can get the downhill game working with his power. They can kind of get the outside game working as well with the way they mix up their run schemes. But Ursary to me, you know, what kind of worried me a little bit, and this is something that I watched in 2023 and kind of wanted to carry into 2024 is for a guy, his size, he does allow pads under him to knock them back that you wouldn't really expect like this is a 330 pound guy now he is 6'6 right when you are 6'6 and taller you're already like there's just going to be these edge rushers that can naturally win the leverage game and get their hands under you

but i remember watching him against a couple edge rushers last year nick skorton comes to mind because he was at purdue this not Texas A&M, Nick Skorton. He allows guys in his pads and they do drive him backwards, which always surprised me for his size, where in theory, he should have a great anchor. And maybe it's something that technically he can clean up and it'll translate to a better anchor. But just naturally, I saw that happen too often for someone his size and it really shouldn't. So I think physically with Ursary, he's everything you want. I'll say this right now. Like I think when he goes through this process, quite frankly, I think coaches are going to fall in love with him because they're going to see that he's everything physically

they want in a tackle, checking the boxes. He does have pretty good feet at his size that's what when you watch him like he can move he can get into his pass sets mirror movements you can ask him to climb when you look at like he's not some hulking sluggish tackle with heavy feet at that size but i just thought trevor he was too inconsistent allowing guys to get under his pads and move him and when i see a tackle that size that shouldn't happen as often as it did with ursery yeah um it would be it would be a lot easier to evaluate ariante ursery if he was this just like hulking lumbering like giant offensive lineman because you could just go like all right well you know you don't have great pad level you don't have great flexibility you're not a great mover uh we

can kind of move on here you just when they have philately yeah and and even like right right so it would have been similar to the philately conversation i think is is a good point that you make but ursery's got decently light feet and he's got a really explosive first step i mean this guy had an elite 90.2 run blocking grade in zone and you look at you look at his size you go 66 330 what are you doing with an elite zone blocking grade especially when his gap scheme uh blocking grade was a 70.1 yeah it was much less effective and you go man okay now you got to really pay attention to the movement skills because the guy's a little bit more nimble he's light on his feet he's got that explosive first step and i even think like the hands move pretty quickly for him

like i think he's a pretty good athlete but what really worries me about ursery and why i have him offensive tackle nine is to me i don't i can't pinpoint exactly where it is, but there is some sort of hip, hip flexor, hamstring stiffness and inflexibility with him. And I think it's also just maybe how his body is built where he is just, he is a major waist bender. I mean, that, that is, he, he leans over heavily. He's very top heavy and his weight is on his toes so often. It is hard. When you look at him in his pre-snap stance, he is fully hunched over. I mean, his back is rounded.

His shoulders are up and way over his toes. And it makes it very difficult for him to really get low, flat back, chest is up, base is wide, power through your lower half. You remember how we talked about Patrick Paul and how I didn't love Patrick Paul when we did summer scouting of him. And I was really worried about him. Now, obviously, the jury is still out. He played a little bit as a rookie, but it's way too early to judge how he's going to be at the NFL level. Then I came around to him a little bit because of this exact reason. In summer scouting, when we watched him for the 2023, would have been the 2022 season, I thought the same thing. Okay, here's this tall,

big offensive tackle. See, NFL obviously is going to like the size, and I understand why people like him. But this is somebody with major flexibility issues, a rounded back at all times, was hunched over in his pre-snap stance. And in 2023, he was much better. He was able to get his butt down. His base was way wider.

His back was flat. His chest was up. He was much more powerful, much more in control. I don't see that from Mercery. And it worries me when guys have that sort of play style because NFL offense, or sorry, NFL pass rushers are going to be able to get in underneath your pads. There's no doubt about it.

To me, a little bit of strengths and weaknesses, adequate size and length for the NFL, light on his feet for a player of his size, explosive first step for a player who's 330 pounds. Pass pro, we got good hand work. Good footwork when anchoring. I think he's got good anchoring technique. And he's an impact zone blocker.

Weaknesses. High-waisted player. Really tough for him to get his butt down in his stance. Weight is too much on his toes. He can struggle the mirror versus cross-face moves. And this is another area where I think the flexibility issues are showing up in a multitude of ways because for as much as I think that he's got good footwork, sometimes he struggles to stay in front of cross-face moves,

whether it's design stunts and twists or maybe it's a one-on-one with a pass rusher just trying to get across his face. Sometimes he struggles to keep up with them. And I think that that flexibility issue is a big reason why. I thought Phil Lodeholt was the first guy that sort of came to my mind, this giant offensive tackle who's got better feet than you think, but some flexibility issues to really be able to stay in front of some of the better NFL speed rushers. So to me, I don't think that he's terrible. No, no, no. I have a third-round grade on him, so that's where I've got him. That's sort of the area.

But, man, when I was watching his highs and some of the data that I had on him, I was wondering if, like, man, okay, are we talking a top-20 type of a player? And I think maybe the NFL might draft him in the top 50 still just because of his size. But there are more concerns with Ursary than I thought there were going to be coming in as a player who previously I had seen as just, wow, a really big offensive lineman who actually is pretty explosive. The footwork is pretty good. The handwork is pretty good, but I am worried about the overall posture, the leverage issues, and the inflexibility that he has in his hips.

So the posture and the balance issues and the inability to kind of regather himself throughout past pro reps and drive blocking to me at times remind and i missed this when evaluating this player or no i didn't miss it i wrote it down you've never missed on a process right that can't be i severely understated how big of an issue it can be severely. Evan Neal, where that's great. Yes. Like I was like, and I missed on that. And I, when I watched Evan Neal, I'm like, man, he's on the ground a lot,

but the highs, the body type, like the level of competition he played against, it's all there. And it's crazy when you have those balance issues those you brought up the posture and the way you're built seems like an advantage but there's also ways it hurts you depending on your athletic profile and your flexibility profile or lack thereof yep that's what scared me is i've watched a lot of evan neal with the giants being here in new york and covering a lot of New York football. And he's been a talking point because he's just gone horribly for him.

I saw they're not the same player, but that specific flaw was very apparent in Ursary that gave me a little bit of tough flashback at times. Yep. So now I am fascinated by the concept of him. He's a little you worry about that posture transitioning to guard, but the athleticism shown in the zone run game also would make him a weapon in some aspects on the inside. So he, he's probably just a guy that needs to sit when he gets drafted. And that's why he went from being like, Hey, probably a first rounder where I could see him sliding a little bit because there's developmental things uh that a coach will

really want to work on with him and it's never going to be perfect but can you kind of mitigate the issues like you said yeah like you said like you mentioned i mean evan neal i think it's a really good call out by you and evan neal goes what five overall then you go five overall in his draft class and so the nfl is going to love guys like this, and they're going to try to work with him because God doesn't make many of them as big and as nimble as Ariante Ursary. So with that being the case, you take a chance on those guys. It's just a matter of where you take a chance on them.

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Yep. So I got him at eight. Ozzy Trapillo. I kind of wanted to just call him Crazy Train. You know, I like that nickname. AKA Ozzy's Boneyard on Sirius XM. He's at the Senior Bowl, right? Where is he?

I think he's at the Senior Bowl. Yeah, yeah, he's at the Senior Bowl. I'm going to ask him. I'll be like, hey, do you ever listen to Ozzy's Boneyard on Sirius XM? Are you a Black Sabbath guy? Are you an an og black sabbath guy or black sabbath after ozzy he's gonna stare at you and be like i don't even know who you're talking about yeah we're old men now yeah i was gonna say he's gonna be like i was born in 04 and i'm just gonna be like jesus oh god all right you don't know what og call of Duty was like on comms. No, he doesn't.

No, he doesn't. Thankfully. Thankfully. Yes, yes, yes. Blessed. Boston College. Red Shirt Senior. He's got the size that you want to play offensive tackle in the league.

6'7", and he looks a legit 6'7". I think some of these schools lie about their players' height, weight, whatever it is, especially when it's for advantageous reasons because you want it to be a little bit bigger. But Ozzie really does look like he is 6'7", 310, 315 pounds. He's versatile. He's played both right and left tackle throughout his college career. Red shirted in 2020 after being a four-star recruit, but then basically after that, 2021, he started two games.

2022, full-time starter at left tackle. 2022, full-time starter at left tackle. 2023, full-time starter at right tackle. And then 2024, stayed at right tackle as well. So he has found a home there. His father, Steve, was an All-American offensive lineman at Boston College. He loved the lineage. Also played in the NFL a little bit later. So he's got those NFL bloodlines there to him. He, to me, Connor, is somebody who...

I don't know why we're not talking about him more. Now, not to say that he should be like a top 20 pick, but I think this dude's just solid. He's a day two guy for sure in my eyes. I look at him and I go, you are an NFL offensive lineman. He reminded me of Walker Little a little bit. He really did. He's just got that frame, that build, that floor.

Now, Walker Little, when he was at Stanford, we talked about Walker Little as being the next greatest left tackle of all time. And obviously, he wasn't that, but he's solid. He's been a good player for the Jags. Jags got paid. Confident enough to write. Give him a good-sized extension. So, to me, he's very similar in that regard to that type of a player. He's got pretty good pass-blocking grades.

You know, at PFF, our pass-blocking grade is, we think, pretty translatable from college to the NFL. But when you just do true pass sets, so you're taking out the RPOs, you're taking out play action, you're taking out screens, getting the ball out very quickly, things like that, where the quarterback is genuinely dropping back, scanning the field. That's a true pass set where you actually have to stay in front of a pass rusher for a longer period of time. 79.7 pass blocking grade there. So that's a solid number. Run blocking, he could be a little bit

more impactful, which is something that I wish he was a better run blocker. I really do. Because I think there's a lot of things that he brings to the table. I got a long list of strengths for this dude. I really do. Ideal height and length for offensive tackle in the pros. Bingo. Yep.

Strong initial first step to get his body going exactly where he needs to go, whether it's for, you know, pulling, whether it's combo blocks, whether it's mid or outside zone. Eyes are always searching for blocking no matter what. I think that comes from obviously the NFL bloodlines from him. Patience in pass pro, which I like. He's not just overly aggressive

to make contact. He's waiting for offensive tackles for the right time to strike. I have this. He's light on the scale. He doesn't play light on the field. Even if it's just 310 310 is 38th percentile for offensive tackles in the nfl so below 50th percentile but he didn't play like he's a really light dude i wish he i wish he moved i wish he was a little bit more

of an impact guy in the run blocking game but it's not like he play is super light it's like not like i think the strength is a big deficiency I think he's got great leg drive when he is issuing those combo blocks. He's consistently getting the most out of those 6'7 long arms, which I love. And then when it comes to some weaknesses, he plays with his head down a little too much. There are too many times where I think he's dipping his head. You've got to stay up.

You've got to see what you're hitting, see what you're making contact with. I think he's got a little bit of natural imbalance to him. Not that I think he's super clumsy and he's playing on the floor all the time but you know just he's not like that elite you look at some of those guys with the elite wrestling background that crazy core strength from the wrestling days you know how they're able to stay up and locked on and all kinds of crazy situations while their body's contorting trapezoid's not that type of a dude but it's not like it's a major issue to him. And then the last one is just

he's a little bit slow to turn the hips when he's facing those cross-face moves. So ultimately, I got him at tackle eight here. He's a really solid football player, ton of experience, good program, NFL bloodlines to him, adequate size, does a lot of things well. So

high floor dude, like trapezoid good amount i was just blown away by the pass pro like how consistent he's been the last two years watching him and the only two sacks that he's given up over the last two years it was either like an overload pressure on his side or a stunt it wasn't like somebody just manhandled him and to the quarterback so it it's he's got power you're right for the weight he must have i'm guessing he has big hands because when he lands on people it's a strike where he when he lands on people and his leverage is correct keep in mind how tall this guy is. He dumps defenders. It's not like they just, you know what I mean?

Like they go to the ground. It's a really good point with hand size because I think a lot of times we just think about hand size with wide receivers, tight ends, or quarterbacks. No, for O-line. But O-line, when you got massive hands, you're right. Sometimes you get a little bit of leeway even in your striking

because your hands are just so big they can make a big impact there. So I think it's a really good call out by you. Now, on the flip side, I thought the hands were a little wild in the run game. Like there's times, you know, and you said the ducking the head aspect. Like there's times where this dude's just throwing. And it's like, I get it because you could dump defenders, but sometimes he's throwing, you know, strike big, sometimes miss big.

I didn't love him in outside zone, although I guess I was impressed still how he moves at this size. I think he's quick out of the gate. At like 6'7", we'll call it 3'10", 3'15", whatever you want to call it, he gets off the ball, and it's not like a laboring get off the ball. It's a pretty efficient, smooth, the steps are right, getting off the ball. But you nailed it where he doesn't sustain blocks when on the move.

It's kind of like a dart and lunge at people sometimes. And sometimes that works. And sometimes guys are able to kind of counter off of it and make a tackle and then once in a while and this probably goes back to once again you're saying the head ducking sometimes he throws his punch but his base isn't set under him like he's kind of like hopping a little bit almost he's playing light on his base and he throws a punch and if a guy has power or counter strikes the right way he'll get moved because his base isn't set up locked underneath him so and i i do think i brought up the second he's still learning how to process stunts and react to stunts and not be like this guy's there like what do i do but

let me tell you right now this is some of the cleaner film in the class over the last year which is just you nailed it like not getting enough love um you had him at eight you said and i had him at nine and i wouldn't be shocked if after the senior role people just get to see him and we start to filter out guys that are i have ahead of them but might have higher ceilings at guard yep this guy will be a riser in this group just because of he looks the part and plays the part and i i feel pretty confident with him protecting my quarterback at right tackle and i can't just say that about a lot of prospects in this class and the play experience helps out a lot you nailed it trevor like the 10 games at left tackle and then the 24 games at right tackle he's played a

lot of football right and he's played a lot of football. Right. And he's played a lot of high-level pass-protecting football. And obviously, they've had pass rushers through there as well that he's practiced against. So, crazy train, Vieira was pointing up. I love it. I love that nickname. I really do. We got to keep that one going throughout.

But, yeah, nope, I agree with you, man. I think he's very solid. There's a lot of guys that you mentioned that we're going to talk about in a little bit here on this list that I think are probably more guards. Ozzie's a tackle. He's built like a tackle. Yes. His experience is a tackle.

So, yeah. Also, I wanted to mention this. His dad played in the NFL, and when I say that he's got the NFL bloodlines, I read up as well that his father passed away tragically from a heart attack in 2004 at the age of 39. So, when I say that he's got the, the NFL bloodlines, I wanted to make sure that I mentioned that it's not like his dad's unfortunately hasn't been there to sort of teach him the ways of offensive line, but his dad being a really accomplished college football, offensive lineman and a guy who made it to the NFL.

That's sort of what I mean from that. But I know, you know, just from his story, that's, it's an inspiring thing for him to carry that into his NFL journey, which is obviously a tragic thing, but it's cool to hear him talk about it the way that he does. Let's do 7, 6, 5, 4, and then we'll save the top three. Does that sound good? I still got to do eight, but... All right, so you'll be an overachiever.

You'll do eight. I will do eight to five why do we order this eight to six just do eight to four and then because oh he's the four sorry we'll list them off and then we'll save the the suspense for the top three eight to four and then the top three okay i know how to do math uh eight for me it might be a little bit of a surprise. Cameron Williams from Texas. I have him at seven. Oh, not a surprise.

So not a surprise at all. It does not lie. No. Uh, okay. Cam Williams at eight, seven. I did say already.

It was Ariate nursery. Yeah. Six is Wyatt Milam from West Virginia. I also have him at six. Hello. Wow. This is crazy. And then five for me is LSU's Will Campbell,

which everyone don't freak out. Let me tell you this. I think Will Campbell is the best offensive lineman in the draft. All right. All right. I'm back. I'm back. Yeah.

I turned my chair around, but I'm back. I'm back. Yeah. I turned my chair around, but now I'm back. I'm back. I'm back. I think he's the best offensive lineman in the draft. I just think that is Eckgard. But if he had to play tackle, he is still a top five tackle in this draft. I think he will have a very similar draft road

as Peter Skowronski, personally. And then four for me is Ohio State's Josh Simmons, who obviously lost a lot of this season. We talked about this recently. It was game six that he had a knee injury. But I see a lot of potential for Josh Simmons in the tape we do have. We were about to fist fight. I mean, it was about to get real ugly with Will Campbell at five slander.

But you're ready to do stuff. And I am excited to have the Will Campbell conversation because I do agree with you in a lot of ways. I think I might be a little bit higher. Well, I am higher on him at offensive tackle. But we will talk about that in a second. So I have Cam Williams at seven from Texas. I think we'll talk about him first.

I got Wyatt Milam at six as well from West Virginia. I have Josh Connerly from Oregon at number five, and then I have Armand Membu from Missouri at number four. So that rounds out. Our rankings are very different at the top yeah yeah i yeah i think that they are i think they are i think it's some similar names but we do see them a little bit differently i think that just comes down to the cut the faith that we might have for them at tackle versus where we might like them at other positions so let's talk

about cam williams from texas i him at seven. You have him at eight. At one point, this guy was talked about as potentially maybe even being tackle one in this class. He's a true junior at Texas, six foot five, 335 pounds. And there are some players that we're going to talk about here in a little bit that, ah, you know, are they a tackle? Are they a guard? Cam Williams is built like a tackle. Now he could play guard at the NFL level because he's big enough. He's got the girth to do it, but this dude, you're not going to worry about the arm length.

You're not going to worry about the size. You're not going to worry about the power. He's got some good movement skills to him as well. He's just really green. He really is. He's a one year starter. Three, three star offensive tackle from the 2022 class.

He's just a true junior. He basically played only special teams, a true-year starter. Three-star offensive tackle from the 2022 class. He's just a true junior. He basically played only special teams as a true freshman in 2021. He only had one start in 2022, and he has started at right tackle the whole season this year. And it's just so much of that shows up in his tape. He had 13 penalties this past year alone. 13. Yeah.

As an example, I just did this player. Who did I just do this for? I think it was Ashni Cornelius. I'm looking. No, no, no. Who was it?

Oh, Chase Lunt, for example. Chase Lunt's played 1,700 snaps over the last two years. He's had four penalties. Four. Cam Williams had four penalties. Four. Cam Williams had 13 in one season this past year. It's like 2022 JC Latham.

Seven false starts, five holding penalties, and then I think there was one more in there. It might have been an ineligible player downfield. There may be an unnecessary roughness penalty. The build, you can see why the NFL is very intrigued about this player. Strengths, excellent size for an offensive tackle. Ideal arm length that looks even longer than the 6'5 frame that he is listed at. The first step, explosiveness is noteworthy.

It really is. Strong grip. When he gets his hands inside, strong grip that is tough to break there. He's got a developing uh he is developing his eyes for sort of where pressure is coming from i feel like he was able to get a little bit better about that as the season went on but a finisher's mentality i mean this dude is competitive as hell and he will erase you from the play if he has the opportunity to do straight brawler he is absolutely a backstreet brawler.

But there is so much of a lack of anticipation in his game. One that shows up in penalties being as high as they are. There's no doubt about it. But the punch timing, the hand placement, knowing when he needs to engage in order to keep defenders at bay, being able to understand like, okay, this rusher's coming from this angle. I need to be at this spot in order for me to maintain this block a little bit longer or just maintaining blocks a little bit longer overall. There's just such a lack of

anticipation from him. I wouldn't say that he's guessing, but it's almost like it's worse than that right now because he's playing confidently, not second guessing himself, but he's not always in the position that he needs to be in. So all of this is very fixable. Even like the footwork can sometimes be stumbling. All of this stuff is completely fixable with him, but they're also not 100% guaranteed that it will get better. You could say to yourself, he's one of the younger prospects in the class. He's only a true junior. He's young. He's only a one-year starter.

You could tell yourself all that to sleep at night and that's fine. I'm not even blaming you for it. But he is not a player that you could draft and throw out year one in the NFL. You'd be insane. And if he is, you're getting your quarterback killed. So he might end up being a first-round pick

when it's all said and done just because of the ceiling that he presents. But I pray that that doesn't mean we're going to draft him and then start him right away immediately because you're going to have to go through your lumps there in that regard. Yeah, we saw it the same way.

I had real concerns about the foot speed. Like real concerns about it. His feet can look heavy at times. And what I found interesting, when you go to a school page and you go to historical, you could look at obviously their previous heights and weights. Trevor, he was 369 pounds last year yep I mean that's obviously credit to Cam Williams for getting down to 335

ish this year but he plays heavy and it's probably why or part of the reason why that you know they've taken a little slower with him and getting that conditioning, getting that weight down. But when you watch him in pass pro and anybody has him on an Island, the foot speed and balance allow edge rushers to kind of have the two way go where I can cross his face on the inside when he starts to open up with more space. But if he doesn't set wide, I can get the outside runway because I don't think he has the foot speed to run me out. So this isn't like saying Cam Williams getting beat over and over again. But when he does get beat and you brought up the penalties, you said he's very, very green.

He's still learning how pass rushers are going to attack him. And he doesn't have the lower body athleticism to just out athlete it. Sometimes like there are guys that can just play backyard style to mirror guys. They don't always need perfect technique. I think he really needs to clean up his technique because he, he can't mirror rushers the way I would like him to. His feet are too heavy to do so. They're too heavy to do so. And once again, there are a lot of big positives with Cam Williams.

You nailed it. Like the brawler mentality this guy has through the whistle. You can't teach that. And the way he, you know, can just relocate defenders in any run scheme, you really can't teach it. And the hands arrive with a purpose. He's not just throwing his hands defensively. He's throwing them offensively.

But he is just so raw on pass pro. Has he officially declared they're obviously waiting until the playoff? Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's supposed to be playing. So we're recording this on Friday for everybody just to give you an idea. Texas plays Ohio State. He has not officially declared. So he might not be in this class, and I wouldn't hate him going.

Yeah, I would really tip my cap to him if he goes back to school. And everybody has to make the decision that's best for them. So if he gets big grades, goes to the draft, good for Cam Williams, but this is the eval. But he has all the talent to really, honestly, maybe lose another five pounds, get a little quicker in the lower half, learn how rushers are trying to attack him on an island,

and be a surefire first rounder in 2026. Yeah, he reminded me in a lot of ways of Cam Robinson, the longtime Jags offensive tackle and now with the minnesota vikings and like robinson was sort of that same way as as they're built very similarly and i remember when robinson was coming out i was like man look at this guy and what he could be and he struggled in his early nfl career he got more consistent as things went on and he's playing well for the vikings now obviously that that Jags traded him sort of because they felt like they could. So it's not like he was invaluable to them, but to me, he's built in

a very similar way. And Cam was, I think, an early second round pick when he was coming through the draft. And that's sort of how I feel about Cam Williams as well. If he were to leave this year, I'd be comfortable taking a chance on him somewhere around too, but we know the NFL doesn't always work like that. So I agree with you completely. I think that you emphasizing the lack of foot speed is very important because when you have heavy feet, you better be able to anticipate well because you're not going to be able to recover nearly as well if you guess wrong, if you will.

So intriguing player, but a lot to work on with Cameron Williams. Yep, for sure. Number six for both of us was Wyatt Milam from West Virginia. That is how you say his last name, right? I got it right this time? That's how I've written it down. I know somebody corrected us over summer, I think, saying it that way. Yes, okay.

All right, I just want to make sure here. So Milam from West Virginia graded extremely well this past year. So he's listed at 6'6", 317 pounds. His grades really over the last two years, the two-year sample size were fantastic. Pass blocking grade, 89.9. Pass blocking grade on true pass sets, 90.3. Run blocking grade in gap, 79.1.

Run blocking grade in zone, 84.9. His negatively graded run plays, which when you talk about, we probably should have said this at the top, but this is the first time I'm mentioning it. So we have it different at PFF between interior offensive linemen and offensive tackles. For offensive tackles, the more stable metric is negatively graded run blocking plays. So how often are you graded negatively? And if you have more of those, it is more likely that you will continue to have more of those at the NFL level as an offensive tackle. Whereas positively graded run plays are a little bit more fickle when you're in offensive

tackle. So you want the floor to be higher when you are sort of on an island, maybe doing a lot more one-on-one blocking, and you want to make sure that floor is higher. So the negatively graded plays is the one that's more stable. When you're an interior offensive lineman, because a lot of it is more combo blocks and things like that, positively graded run blocking plays are the ones that are more stable and more reliable to look at. So when we talk about interior offensive linemen, a lot of times positively graded run blocking plays are the stable metric that we'll mention and then for offensive tackles negatively graded run blocking plays are the more stable one because you want to give up fewer of course negatively graded run blocking plays because a lot of times it's just you you could be on an island a lot of one-on-one

blocks and you want to make sure that you don't have those negative grades there he was 77th percentile which is great so that's a really good number from ILM there. Just a very, very solid football player. He's got a fun background as well. Four-star offensive tackle out of Huntington, West Virginia. Didn't allow a sack in his entire high school career. It's pretty nuts. He was also a pitcher in high school who at one point verbally committed to Marshall to be a pitcher, which is pretty cool. I read that he could get in the 80 mile per hour range. So he was throwing some gas, which you love to see. Started eight games to right tackle his true freshman season, switched over to left tackle in 2022. And he's just been there ever since. Very steady presence for them. I wondered because

of how steady Wyatt Milam was, if I was going to have him in competition for one of my top three offensive tackles, if I was going to think that this guy could potentially be the best tackle in this class. And there is a lot of things to like, especially at his size with his length, good balance when he's taken on contact, really strong grip strength. Love that about him. When he gets his hands on you, they are vice grips, which I think is a great quality to have and something I typically gravitate towards when I'm talking about offensive linemen latching on and maintaining block. There's a lot of guys, there's a lot of offensive linemen that'll just try to push you. You know, I talked about that with like Tyler Guyton. Remember last year when we were talking about Tyler Guyton? I was like, man, there's a lot of things to like about Tyler Guyton, but he is a pusher. He just wants to shove you. When defenders get into his chest, he'll fully extend, but he's fully extending to just push you away.

He's not fully extending with his hands up and inside of the right position, latched onto the inside to maintain that block after he gets his hands where he wants to. Wyatt Milam is that type of a guy where when he latches on you, it's tough to get him off. Sound, consistent anchoring technique, really reliable in man and zone blocking schemes. I think he is a very smart and aware player.

Connor, ultimately though, I think Milam's a guard. I think he is a very smart and aware player. Connor, ultimately though, I think Milam's a guard. I do. I'm going to evaluate him more as a guard than I am a tackle. I think you could play him at tackle, but to me, you get the most out of his strengths as a guard and you limit some of the deficiencies because the weaknesses I have for him, the first step, a little bit slower, kind of struggles to catch up when he is retreating and kick sliding in his past sets against speedier rushers. The weight, a little bit too on his toes, especially when he's in those one-on-one blocking situations. Appears to have some stiffness in the hips that prevents him from getting low in his stance with balance and leverage. He's got a little bit of clumsiness to him in space when he is fully one-on-one the feet can

look a little bit heavy sometimes and the arm length i wonder if it's just about average maybe a little below average for the nfl level and so for all of those reasons i i think a move inside to guard would actually give you the best of wyatt milam and i think you'd get a really damn good starter there because of the floor that he presents and honestly, the ceiling being even higher with him guard. So I didn't, I had no intentions of thinking that this guy was going to be an interior offensive lineman before I went into this. And I watched four or five games of him and I went, I'm taking him to guard. I would love for him to play guard. He reminded me of Will Fries. And Will Fries sort of struggled that first year that he was in the NFL.

But this past year before he got hurt, bigger, taller. Sometimes it's tougher for him to get lower. But man, a guy who you love that grip strength. You love that finishing mentality. You love that leg drive. That's what Will Fries showed us earlier this year for the Indianapolis Colts. And I feel like Milam could be that similar type of player. So that last part's my biggest question with him at guard. His pad level is just naturally high. It is. It is. And to be fair, it hurt him at times

at tackle, not often because the guy doesn't really get beat off. And I thought Adiza Isaac in 2023 had some good reps against him because of that. But know you just wonder does he have the length and flexibility to stay at tackle but the tape for this guy is tremendous I mean for the fact that you know you start at right tackle as a freshman and then you play left tackle the last three years this guy has played a ton of football and this year he played at his highest level yet um you know you said a lot of this, but just the way he can get his hands under the pads of rushers stalls the momentum.

He's accurate with the way he throws his hands. The way it stalls the bull rush to me really, really stood out. I think with his positioning, he's just a tough human to get around. He is. He's very hard to get around. I saw some bursts in the run game, not just outside zone, but when they asked him to climb, he could finish his blocks against linebackers.

He understands, even though he's not very flexible and plays high, how to angle his body at times in the run game to kind of make sure he gets in the way. When West Virginia, this was just a filter that I ran because it stood out to me on just watching throughout games. When they ran counter, this guy was an animal like an absolute animal he was just he was just phenomenal so I like Milam a lot obviously you do too I I would definitely call it an unfinished eval in terms of where his home is I I think he's got a real shot at tackle I do a better shot at tackle than I even

expected uh considering that you brought up like the length might not be, you know, typical NFL threshold. We'll see. But a guy that is, you know, circled with a red pen for me at the senior bowl to see if he gets reps at both.

I mean, I just loved him behind power blocking concepts as well. And when he's able to get on the move, it felt like he was a force. And again, I just, concepts as well and when he's able to get on the move it felt like he was a force and again i just i think of some of these real power offensive lines at the nfl level and being able to plug him in at guard and allowing him to be a combo blocker and somebody who can just you know

you know even on like zone blocking play is just get you last shot and just take dudes for a ride like i just again chargers rams, Rams, Colts, obviously, you know, like, is a team where I just think that there's a lot of... I mean, imagine him on the Ravens. The Ravens need help on the interior offensive line, and they run a lot of different concepts. We'll see if Munkin gets a job, and that changes. Right.

Yeah, Milam's just a good player in this draft, man. Like, it feels like somebody's going to take him back half a round, too, and he honestly could well be starting as a rookie, and everyone's like, wow, Wyatt Myles is really good. Why did no one talk about him as a top 40-ish guy? And he just continues on and on. All right, we're going to talk about Josh Connerly next because I know he's your boy, and I've got him ranked at number five.

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I shall admit. I've got him at number 5. Where do you... I love the reluctance in your voice. I shall admit. I've got him at number five. Where do you, where do you, where do you have the reluctance in your voice? I'm tackle two. Okay. All right. So you got him in tackle two. I got him at number five with you having him a little bit higher. I'll let you intro.

So Connerly, a younger player in this club. You've seen a lot of guys like we talked about with crazy train and chase Lunt and all these guys, like they've been playing. Ursary's been at Minnesota for five years. Connerly just turned 21 years old. So a bit of a younger offensive tackle.

He started as a true sophomore at left tackle for Oregon in 2023. And obviously, that was 14 games. And then he started 14 games in 2025 as a true junior for Oregon. This is a former top 40 recruit, five-star recruit, insanely athletic for this position. He's 6'4", 315 pounds. The movement skills are absolutely phenomenal. I mean, this is somebody who is just athletic, explosive. He, I said this over summer and it really jumped out to me even more. He dictates reps as well as any tackle in this draft where he's just off the snap and it's like, okay, I'm ready. Like, what are you going to do now? And that's an advantage that, you know, not to keep bringing this up, but Cam Williams, when you have heavier feet,

sometimes you're reacting and you're falling behind throughout the rep. With Connerly so often, if guys want to say, I'm a good athlete as defensive end, what are you going to do about it? He has the answers almost every time. So that was so important to me with the light feet the lateral agility to mirror is just a plus um he he's got good hands that can kind of transition throughout the rep like he knows how to move his hands around throughout the rep and the background isn't really surprising when you look at you know he's gotten bigger over time this is somebody who you know basketball player

in high school uh i believe i want to make sure yeah there's a basketball background in high school i believe four-year letter in high school like this is the body is over the years recently has become more football body and this year Trevor when I turn on the tape from compared to summer scouting I was like he's starting to look like a real tackle you see he played running back in high school that was the other thing I was I was making sure I had right in my notes yeah when he was a freshman in high school or so anymore he was legitimately a running back and then you know guys get bigger and stronger and they're like oh cool you're gonna be a five star tackle.

So really basketball running back background. This whole tackle thing is still a little green to him, which makes it that much more impressive how much better he's gotten over the last two years of just playing. You look at some of the weaknesses like I still want to see him get bulk and strength in his lower half. Yeah, that's it. It's just he has to. He has to get stronger and bigger in his lower half. And think now oregon obviously had a long season not as long as they hoped for but he throughout combine training i think that'll be a prior like a priority for him

he's still learning how to hold his blocks throughout the run game rather than just get to his blocks in the run game and he's not this bully run game destroyer. Like he's not just out there dumping bodies left and right. But with how in control this guy is in pass pro, from an athleticism and even technique standpoint now compared to last year, like if you just follow the trajectory of Josh Connerly, this is to me what a franchise tackles trajectory should look like as a prospect. I think it's totally fair.

I agree with you. I think that he still could play a little bit stronger. Like Olu. Olu went through this exact combo. Yeah, I mean, he could play a little bit. I mean, he reminded me a little bit of Broderick Jones, just where like, okay, like the movement skills, he's got the size, he's got the movement skills, he's got the footwork, he's got all this stuff. But it. I still think he needs more consistency with his hands. There are times when he's, you know, shooting wide and he's trying to get, you know, he's trying to dictate contact and the

hands are just going kind of all over the place a little bit. So that to me is why I felt like the early comp of project Jones made a lot of sense. Cause there's a lot that you love. He's got a little bit stronger. You got to get a little bit stronger. But the reason why I was worried about him last year, because I just didn't think he played with nearly as much strength. I mean, I was really worried about the strength. I'm not worried about it now. He's a lot lighter, I thought. And I think that you bring up a really good point.

This is where he should be, right? When guys are visibly showing you they're getting better, you don't have to believe that they've hit their ceiling. Now, I have my film evaluation because it's harder to get to the NFL level and then really learn and get more consistent and better. So I'm always a little bit reserved about that. But he at least, yeah, gives you the faith

that he is going in the right direction there with him. So you still have those inconsistencies. I'd like him to maintain the blocks a little bit more when he gets there. But he plays with his hair on fire. The thing that I love the most about Connerly, though, dude's competitive as hell. I mean, he is playing through the whistle every single rep. He's not afraid of any challenger assignment.

He's got that finisher's mentality to him. He wants to play ball, man. You could tell that he really loves it. And competitive toughness, that is a category that I am noting of all of these players because when you play in the trenches, it is absolutely paramount that you have that kind of competitive toughness. And I feel like Connerly does. So the improvement that I felt like he made from last year to this year

and then just seeing the passion that this guy plays with, it's hard not to bet on him. So a little bit inconsistent. He needs to get a little bit stronger, but I do like him. I do like him. I got him at number five. Let's go to Armand Membou next from Missouri. Somebody who, man, I did not have him on my radar at all going into the season.

Same. I watched him a little bit in the middle of the year, and I was like, okay, I think this dude's pretty good. Now, he's a little bit short. He's like 6'3", 325. So I was like, I like him, but I wonder, you know, is he a guard? And, man, when I watched him more for this exercise, I saw a player where there is a lot to like.

Four-star interior offensive line recruit in the 2022 class, so I think he does have that guard to tackle flexibility to him. His parents were immigrants from Cameroon. He is a first generation american in his family uh also speaks french so you know you get a little marcus and beau you draft armand membu you got two out of five right there i don't know who else in the nfl speaks french off the top of my head but there's got to be somebody i'm putting a team i'm nick fury i'm putting a team together all right a prerequisite to play for us right um what i like about him though is dude he's such a great natural athlete i mean he could

get low the priest and have stances low the feet are wide he's explosive he's quick he's got those coordinated movements you tell he's got great natural balance to him he also played he also uh played tennis in high school which i love a true multi-sport background for a football player playing tennis exactly he also wrestled in high school so you're checking the wrestling background as well there for him this there is a lot to like about armand membu um some strength and weaknesses here for him. Good hip, hamstring flexibility to sit with balance and power. When you can get low in your stance and just be low, it's not just the leverage. It's so much that comes with the leverage, right?

Not only are you getting lower, so you're winning that low man win saying that we hear all the time in trenches. But when you get to be low and loaded and balanced, you are conjuring all of the strength that your leg muscles have in your calves, in your hamstring, in your glutes, in your quads, and you are able to be a powerful football player. Low and explosive out of his stance, so you see that as well. I just think that the coordination was so impressive to me. When you get these bigger dudes, they're plus 300 pounds, they're six foot six or seven. Yeah, it's natural for them to, you know, the feet get tangled a little bit. They look a little clumsy. They're big human beings. Membu does not look like that at all. He looks like a true athlete playing the offensive tackle position. He's really great building off

of that. He's really great on the hoof as a puller for outside zone. I think he could do all of that for you. And I think that even though he is six foot three, the more that I watch him, the more I think the arm length is longer than the six foot three frame. So it makes me feel good about him being an offensive tackle. I think he could play with a little bit more power, much like Connerly. I feel like he's listed at 325, but he's not as dense as some 325 offensive linemen out there. So bull rush moves, anchoring, it could push him back a little bit further in the pocket than you would think just by looking at his weight listed numbers. And so to me, I think a little bit more power, a little bit more density could go a long way for him. And then I just love to see a little bit more

of a finisher's mentality. It's a little bit more nasty. You know, let's maintain the block. Let's keep a guy blocked outside of the play the whole time. And there's sometimes when I'm not saying that, you know, he's not a passionate football player, not saying that at all whatsoever, but there are times when I felt like I watched him, you know, have a block and then he kind of just like, let's go a little bit early.

And it's like, man, when you got this guy locked on, I want him to be locked on until you hear three, you know, toots of the whistle or whatever. And the referee is saying, all right, the play's over. So I'd like to see a little bit more of a finisher's mentality.

Therefore, three watts of the whistle toots of the whistle. You know, you're tooting the whistle. That's good. What am I supposed to say? I don't know. Yeah.

It's better than saying blows. Yeah to say? I don't know. Yeah, it's better than saying blows. Yeah, right. After the refs giving us three blows. God, made it through the whole podcast without a pause. Now we're 120 into it, and here we go. He's making me say it. I had to come up with some absolute shenanigans. You know, the refs, they're tooting that thing. sorry that was that was sorry nope nope nope that was we went the wrong

way we went the wrong way oh god and the chill so yeah membu i got him at number four lots of like really natural athlete for his size and a guy who i think could be a starting caliber offensive tackle or offensive guard in the nfl my early comp for him guy i really liked when he was coming out matthew bergeron who played offensive tackle when he was at syracuse now he's playing guard in the NFL. My early comp for him, guy I really liked when he was coming out, Matthew Bergeron, who played offensive tackle when he was at Syracuse. Now he's playing guard for the Atlanta Falcons, but somebody who I thought was very similar,

great footwork, great natural athlete. And he's coming along still at guard for the Falcons, but I think he's doing a pretty good job. So those two guys with that guard tackle flexibility, I think I see them pretty similar, but Membu might be an even better football player. Yeah. I have him tackle one draft.

And I'll say like him and Connerly, it was really tough to separate them with how much I like them. I felt like it was just flipping back and forth. But I think he's every bit of a tackle, even though he has an insanely unorthodox build for a tackle. He does. I mean, you're not going to see a ton of NFL tackles necessarily with this build, but he's strong. He's athletic. He's smart. He's got a dense lower half. It's an explosive lower half. He gets out of the gate in the zone run game. He lands on his assignments. He uses his leverage as a weapon. It's so funny to watch him toss lighter stand-up edge rushers when Missouri is their zone heavy run game. He just throws them.

I thought what stood out to me, the tape against South Carolina, against that high-level defensive line, I thought this guy played his ass off. He seemed to have all the answers that game. And I was blown away this art he arguably has the best tape in 2024 of any offensive lineman and that's counting Will Campbell who has obviously a massive resume coming off 2023 I want to be fair but I just think much like Connerly Membo's movement skills give him such an advantage in pass protection but man it's just everything the base is strong like unlike connor lee the base is strong to me i think he's got a really

strong lower half um he like connor lee is young he turns 21 a month before the draft these are young offensive linemen that are getting bigger and stronger and smarter and more technically sound. And I kind of walked away from this exercise after watching those two. And I liked Connerly this summer. I had him tackle four. So it's not like I put the crown on this guy. I just saw the runway for him to take off.

I didn't watch Mambu this summer. I walked away and said said this tackle class is better than people including myself like better than i thought i think it's better than we thought but it's different names than we thought that's why i'm looking at exactly some guys i had high hopes for from the summer kind of stalled out some guys i think are better at guard and then Connerly actually took the runway I hoped for Membu in my opinion I just didn't get eyes on this summer and and he the tape this year I can't explain how good it is it's and it's good in every single it's not like this is a strength this is weakness he really checked the box in almost every category where god if he was just six foot five

and a half on paper and I had it already written down that he's got 35 inch arms or 34 and a half inch arms, you'd be like, what are we waiting for? This guy's going to go in the top 10 picks. Yeah. So, and I honestly think he, he might, I really do. I look at the needs for offensive line with the saints and the bears. I don't know how you watch Mambo's tape and you don't think, Hey, this guy won't make our offensive line a lot better. Uh, well, there's another player for the Bears that I'm going to get to in a second here. I agree with you on that one. Where did you have Josh Simmons from Ohio State? I had him at four. Okay, so I have him tackle two in this class.

And honestly, it's the classic, man, if he played a full season, he could have been tackle one in this draft. Simmons is my guy. I mean, I remember going back to summer scouting I think I had him at tackle five maybe tackle four like I was I was really impressed by the potential that he was playing with at Ohio State last year even though it was still a little bit inconsistent I just watched this guy and how he set up and how good of an athlete how well he was and how quickly his feet moved and how how well he was always able to keep his feet underneath him, how balanced he was able to stay. And that only got better this past season at Ohio State as their left tackle once again.

So he's 6'5", 310 pounds. And unfortunately, he suffered a torn ACL five games into the season. I believe it was in that sixth game against Oregon that he got hurt. So we didn't get to see a ton from him. But he comes from San Diego State, committed to San Diego state out of high, out of high school. He was a three-star recruit red shirt at his first year there. And then he started all 13 games at right tackle in 2022 before transferring

to Ohio state started all 13 games at left tackle for them last year. And then of course started the five games before the injury this year, there is to me, there's so much to like about Simmons. And for the exact reasons why I like Armand Membu are the same reasons why I like Josh Simmons. And it really just kind of comes down to a little bit of a pick your flavor. But I like these guys very similarly.

And I even think that Simmons can play with a little bit more power. And the little X factors about why I have him higher are I'm not worried about this guy's finishers mentality i'm not worried about him maintaining blocks he does that all the time but dude i saw um this from brandon thorn he had this comp and i loved it it's the christian darisaw comp oh nice i don't quite think that's a heavy crown so i I don't quite think that Simmons is as powerful as Christian Derrissaw is, but go watch Christian Derrissaw's film and then go watch Josh Simmons' film. Both of them are so low and spread out and loaded before the snap.

And the second that ball is snapped boom they explode and they move whether it's a kick slide back or whether it's a step forward and run blocking whatever it is that that almost like crouching tiger getting ready to attack his prey stance reminds me so much of the way that Christian Derusaw played and a player who I liked a lot when he was coming out and obviously he's been fantastic for the Minnesota Vikings. It is the way that the hands flash so fast, the feet move so quick. He is always balanced.

He is always in control and he knows exactly what to do at all times. I'd like for him to get a little bit stronger, but if he does, man, we've got a damn good starting offensive tackle at the NFL level. So I'm a big fan of Simmons. I had him tackle too in this class. Yeah, and there's just no, like there's no definitive argument against that, right?

Because he is a projection player, much like you could argue Connerly is. They are athletic. They are built for this. They are getting better. They are, I need to check his age, but I believe he, much like Memboo and Connerly, I believe was one of the younger guys as well.

So he just turned 22 literally two weeks ago. Okay, all right. No, but let's be real. In this era, there's a lot of offensive linemen that are 23, could turn 24 during the rookie season. There's so much eligibility. Simmons is a great athlete, and he's got the right build for it.

And it just felt like in those five and a half games this year he wasn't tested you know what I mean and I say that almost as a compliment I say that almost as a compliment where it's like nobody really could do much against he went up against Marshall but he didn't go up against Green he didn't go up against Mike Green because Mike Green was rushing from the other side and that Oregon game would have been a great game but he gets hurt in the Oregon game. And obviously he would have had a stacked schedule ahead of that. But you're right.

He just didn't play a lot of NFL level competition while he looked really good. But I think he could look really good at the NFL level. Right. All right. So Kelvin Banks Jr., where do you have him? Three. So you got him at three and then Will Campbell you have at five. Yep.

So let's talk Kelvin Banks Jr. real quick, and then we'll end on Will Campbell. What'd you think of Banks? With him at three, it makes me think he's an offensive tackle and not a guard. I think he can be. Okay. I think he's got a shot. I comped him to your boy, Elijah Vera Tucker. There you go.

And ABT's played well at both. And he's played well at both, and I think that Kelvin Banks. And AVT's played well at both. And he's played well at both. And I think that Kelvin Banks Jr. from Texas can play well at both. I've been told, and this is only by one source, so I don't write it in ink. I've been told Banks' arm length

will meet the NFL threshold. I am less worried about his arm length than Will Campbell's, for sure. Yes, I've heard there will be a difference between the two. Yes, 100%. But it's more of just play style for me. Yes, I agree. It's not the length with him. It is absolutely the play style. So six foot four, 324 pounds. But obviously you mentioned that you think that Banks' arm length is going to be adequate. So you got him at number three. I also have him at number three. So we see him pretty similarly.

What'd you think about Banks? You think he could stay at tackle, by the way? I think he could win at tackle. You think he has flexibility for both? Yeah, again, I see him like an Elijah Vera Tucker type. I think he's got the athleticism to be able to play at both. I think he could play at both. It's just a matter of where does his spot best benefit

your entire best five out there overall? Is it a guard? Is it a tackle? I got faith that he can do both of those things. He just absorbs contact extremely well, in my opinion, Banks. And that's the build he has to do that. I mean, some numbers that, you know, here's one amazing and one not so good at all. 96 percentile grade and true pass set reps over the last two seasons. So like when this when Texas is running a real drop back game and Banks has to block

like he would in the NFL, he's been phenomenal. He knows how to drop his hips. He hauled speed to power by generating pit by generating power from unlocking that power from his hips. He plays with leverage. He knows how to play low. He's, you know, once again, a very densely built guy with athleticism. He just his hands strike with a purpose, both in the pass and run game.

He can match movements. But there's no denying that, you know, one of the negative numbers is 25th percentile over the last two years in negatively graded run plays. He whiffs a lot in the run game. And it's what I had written down over summer and kept the note, you know, dry in the notes from rewatching. The arms and legs in the run game are all over the place. He is. He is erratic. He's a wild man run blocking.

And I don't know if it's like, you know, he's jacked up and he just wants to de-cleat someone every time. And there's a lot of good things about that because some coaches could dial that in. But 25th percentile in that mark, like that's a high miss rate where you're starting to hurt some run plays, even though you have the power, strength, and leverage

to create explosive run plays. So, and a lot of it is like he'll drop his shoulder at targets trevor like you know like offensive linemen like to line up and you said box out before or you know play with a flat back and kind of defend the space he almost looked like a charging bull at times with guys in the open field. Like, like I'm going to like Goldberg you like to hear you. And I'm like, dude, it's pretty awesome sometimes,

but there's also times where it's not so awesome. And the whiffs are, are a big problem. So, but in terms of the, the pass pro stuff, I'm not just throwing him inside. Honestly,

like I just saw too many high-end reps in pass pro with him being under control to say this guy just should play guard. I think that's been a common theme. I just am surprised how quickly people are deferring to that with him. Yeah, he's such a good athlete. You almost want to give him a chance at tackle. Right, fail at tackle. Fail at it. The thing that I love about him and his movement skills is we talked about some flexibility with some of these guys he can shuffle slide and move from a fully squatted position you know some offensive linemen they're squatted pre-stance but then the second the ball is snapped you know the

shoulders come up the stance comes up and it's like all right let me hand fight now i'm fully standing up banks is low pre-snap and then when the ball is hiked he stays low like he can stay low and he's got that hip flexibility to be able to slide and stay low for really good power really good leverage and there's a lot of structure. I'll say this. Banks has got great bones as a pass rusher. Sorry, as a pass protector. You know how they talk about that with a house? Like, oh, you got to fix up some things. You got to improve some things, but the bones are good.

That's Kelvin Banks to me. So I think that certainly honing him in a little bit more, a little bit less erratic. You don't want to teach that passion out of him, but a little bit less erratic, a little bit more, a little bit less erratic. You don't want to teach that passion out of him, but a little bit less erratic, a little bit more controlled in how he moves. And I do think that he can be an offensive tackle for you. I really do, because I think the movement skills are pretty special.

But I'd love to see him sustain blocks a little bit more, not just go for the kill shot, right? Be somebody who's a little bit more focused in being able to do that and seeing how valuable that is as much as a big time block is. But all that is there for him, man. I think he's got the bones of such a good, just offensive lineman overall at the NFL level. But I wonder if some of those erratic tendencies from him,

if they don't go away at tackle, then when you have those offensive tackle, you don't really have help. Sometimes you're on an Island, right? If you're a little bit erratic on the interior, you got help. And so it's, it's a lot less of those negative plays to you because you've got that help next to you. So you can still showcase a lot of that really great movement. A lot of those really great leverage skills and everything like that. But I got him, I got him at tackle three. I think he could be a good offensive tackle at the NFL level level but um there are some things i think that he has to work on last guy that we're talking about here is lsu's will campbell i haven't won still and uh you have him at five i think we're

probably gonna have the same conversation so it's a little bit strange um i don't want people to all right don't screenshot the screen and just be like whoa connor's a hater you know like i would appreciate everybody giving like full context here not just tweeting out the rankings to social media because i do i think okay i like will campbell a lot i think he's a phenomenal player so actually i'll give i'll give a little bit of an intro to him before we sort of dig into it he's six foot five he's listed at six foot five 324 pounds But I think the arm length is a big concern. It's probably right around 33 inches, which is well below threshold for what a lot of teams in the NFL want their offensive linemen to have

when it comes to that arm length for the reasons that I mentioned earlier in the show. Four-star offensive tackle. He has been the starter at left tackle for the last three years from LSU. From the very first game that he played all the way until now, he has been the starter from LSU. From the very first game that he played all the way until now, he has been the starter for LSU. He was the first offensive lineman in LSU's history to be awarded the prestigious number seven, which is the ultimate playmaker award for the top playmaker on the team. And obviously he couldn't wear number seven because you're not allowed to for the rules for an offensive lineman. So he just had the number seven patch. But think about this too he was a he was a captain as a sophomore yeah

obviously he was a captain again this year as a junior his dad brian campbell uh also played offensive line nicknamed the bull which you love um played in high school went on to play in college he played at um east texas state university which is now known as texas a&m commerce um so he's got the uh he's got the background there with his dad playing a little offensive line at the end of at the at the college football level but if you've also listened to will campbell talk at all you just yeah yeah i mean he is an offensive lineman's offensive lineman he understands what it takes to be great at this position. My favorite part about Will Campbell is that he is only a true junior, but it's like he has been starting in the NFL for four or five years. He is making call-outs at the line of scrimmage as the left tackle about where the blitz is coming from. He's communicating with his center,

his quarterback, and his running back behind him about sometimes where the blitzes are coming from. He's communicating with his center, his quarterback, and his running back behind him about sometimes where the blitzes are coming from. You watch him pre-snap, you see exactly where his eyes are going. You see that head turn, you see, okay, there's a threat here, there's a threat here, there's a threat here. I'm going to prioritize this one first, this one second, and I don't think this guy's coming, but he's third if he ends up doing it. When the ball is snapped, the eye goes exactly where it needs to go. If there's some sort of pressure that could be coming from the interior, you can see that's where his eyes goes first. Because he goes, if I don't block this guy first, that's the quickest path of the quarterback.

So that's my number one assignment no matter what. And then he says, there was a play that I was watching. I can't remember which game it was. But he's playing offensive tackle. And it's a situation where there is an outside pass rusher, and he literally turns around, and he says to the running back, he points to him, and he goes, this guy's coming. If he comes, I'm going to take the guy that's probably right in front of me because I'm going to have to because we're slide protection to the right, and instead, the ball

gets hiked, and the running back goes the opposite direction because there's another rusher coming in. He ends up getting picked up by the guard. Campbell takes the interior guy. And unfortunately, the free rusher ends up getting to Garrett Nussmeier. But it's one of those things where it's like, Will Campbell knew that. Yep. He knew exactly where it was coming from. He tried to say, prioritize this player.

We got it over here. We're sliding the protection to the right. Look at this guy on the left. He is so smart. The got it over here. We're sliding the protection to the right. Look at this guy on the left. He is so smart. The grip strength is fantastic. The finishing ability is fantastic. The foot speed is excellent. Now, he doesn't have the best flexibility in his groin for those long kick slides to try to make up for some lack of height and length in his limbs, but the feet are very, very quick. The hands are up.

They're poised. He can not only punch, but he can also reset his hands incredibly quick. He doesn't fall for bait. When he gets his hands on you, they are locked in like vice grips. Connor, to me, this is the player that the Chicago Bears need to pick at number 10. And the reason why is because I think he could play in the NFL at tackle. I think he could play at guard. And I'd actually love to see what he could be at center.

Again, this high football IQ. Think about the Bears. Might be losing Tevin Jenkins because, all right, maybe you're not bringing him back. So the injury stuff that we've talked about on the Fix Your Franchise episode with the Bears. Matt Pryor's a free agent. Colton McShelton's been disappointing.

He got the offensive tacklesles and you feel decently good about those offensive tackles. Will Campbell's got some issues with him. Same thing we said with Mbo. Pad level is high. Naturally very high in the pre-snap. And so I'm a little bit worried about him getting all the way down and playing low as a center. But if he can get

some of that flexibility and if he can play a center, dude, this guy is a field general on the offensive line. He would raise the floor and the ceiling of the Bears offensive line specifically. So, so much higher if he gets to play right in the middle. Call things out, recognize things, have the chemistry with the quarterback, understand where the protection needs to slide from. This dude would be, in my opinion, an all-pro center if he can get that flexibility worked out. To me, there's so much to like about Will Campbell. I love how he approaches the game.

My little bottom line about him before I let you go off here, Campbell is an O-lineman's O-lineman. He approaches the position with excellent respect for what it takes to be great in the trenches. Fundamentals, high IQ, competitive toughness. He has some length and flexibility limitations that might push him inside to the NFL but this is a starting caliber player at all five spots on the offensive line it's just a matter of finding where he fits best that's what I think about Will Kim I I honestly do think we see him pretty closely I think we just disagree. If I was drafting him, I wouldn't be that interested in, in playing him at tackle unless I had to,

like it was an emergency situation. I'd be incredibly excited to add him to my offensive line. I, this could change, but I don't know if it will. My final rankings, when we do this tackle show again, probably won't have them on the flip side my final

rankings on the interior offensive line rankings it would be shocking to me if he's not number one i think i genuinely think he's he's the best offensive lineman in this draft but i at the same time am not as confident that tackle is his best landing spot at the nfl level he's a sawed-off shotgun right in close quarters you, you're done. Like you're doomed. He's got you. He's strong. He's tough. He's smart. He understands where to kind of unlock his strength from using his hands, finishing plays, playing through the whistle. When he's on an island at left tackle with a lot of space, there's times where he doesn't have the length to protect the outside shoulder. There's times where guys can cross his face when the gates open a little bit.

And it's not just, it wasn't like one rep. I thought it was a little bit of an issue a couple of times this year. I mean, I talked about Membu against South Carolina, how blown away I was. I thought there was some dents in the armor of Will Campbell starting to show a little bit in that South Carolina game. I know he gave up a sack against Oklahoma where you see, once again, he just didn't have the length to protect his outside shoulder. It's a rip and dip move. The quarterback gets killed and it's,

you know, once again, Campbell spoke to this, like we give up one sack, like that's it for us. Like it's tough. It's an offense. And I agree it's unfair. know, once again, Campbell spoke to this, like we give up one sack, like that's it for us. Like it's tough as an offense. And I agree it's unfair. But my point is, it feels like when he's beat and this is somebody that gave up 18 pressures this year, it's consistently because of lack of length where that sawed off.

I think it's a combination of lack of length and how tall he is. A little bit of inflexibility that he has right and if you again if you can work that out i think he could play tackle sure i'm not ruling it out otherwise i wouldn't even put him in this show like i ruled out right uh a couple players savania um the lsu right tackle emery jones yeah emery jones thank you um but with campbell it's it's almost like you're nitpicking because you love the player so much where i mean i if the patriots took him at four and they probably won't i think because of the talent now probably not right like especially if you think he's an interior player if the patriots traded out of four to wherever and you know to eight to 13 and

took campbell and said he's he's our left guard of today 10 out of 10 like he's i think he's going to be a borderline all pro guard i really really do but there are just deficiencies in length that i don't think will get any easier at the nfl level when on an island as a tackle with all that space so it's frustrating because it's yeah it's a weird conversation of like i love this player but i love him inside and uh i think his pathway to the nfl my personal opinion will be very very very similar to how Peter Skowronski's was. All right, so that's our top 12. I'll read off my top 12 before Connor reads off his. I had Chase Lunt from UConn at number 12. I had Brandon Crenshaw-Dixon from Florida at 11. 10, I had Marcus Mbow from Purdue. 9, Ariante Ursary from Minnesota. 8, Ossie Chapillo from

Boston College. 7, Cam Williams from Texas. Six, Wyatt Milam from West Virginia. Five, Josh Connerly from Oregon. Four, Armand Membu from Missouri. Three, Kelvin Banks Jr. from Texas. Two, Josh Simmons from Ohio State. And number one, I had Will Campbell from LSU. Connor, what was your 12th?

12th for me, Oregon's right tackle, Johnny Cornelius, New York's very own. 11, William and Mary's left tackle, Charles Grant. 10, Marcus M. Bowe. We talked about him, the Purdue right tackle. He's played some guard. Be very interesting long-term. Number nine, Boston College's Ozzie Chappio, crazy train on this show. He is their right tackle, accepted senior bowl invite.

Number eight, Cameron Williams, the hulking right tackle from Texas number seven Ariante Ursary out of Minnesota their left tackle uh number seven a guy that's played everywhere but most recently left tackle Wyatt Milam out of West Virginia number five oh six Milam was six five is is Will Campbell from LSU, who I do think is a guard, but an absolute tremendous one and probably the best offensive lineman in the draft. Number four, Ohio State's Josh Simmons, who if he didn't lose his season to injury in game six, Simmons would probably be getting a lot more publicity right now, and he will get some. Three, Kelvin Banks, the left tackle from texas to josh connerly jr oregon's left tackle and then number one armand membo from missouri we would love to

hear from you guys let us know what you thought of our conversations here with the offensive tackles uh and any offensive tackle rankings that you guys have obviously we're going to be watching a lot more of these guys we go through the rest of draft season. We get into the All-Star Bowls. We get into the Combine. All that good stuff. So the offensive line group will only grow. Best way to get into the conversation,

youtube.com backslash at NFL Stock Exchange. If you're audio only at Tampa Bay Trey, at Connor J. Rogers, you could hit us up there as well. I think we're going to defense next. I know we got like tight end and interior offensive line, but I think we might save those for a little bit later. I think we want to try to hit on edge rusher or interior defensive

lineman. So if you guys have a preference, which you would rather hear edge rushers or interior defensive lineman next, let us know in the comments, Connor, anything else before we get out of here? No,

a fun, long show, lots of get through. We are, we are on the grind right now and loving it and I can't wait to see these guys in the Senior Bowl

we're so close baby couple of weeks couple of weeks before we get to see these guys live very excited for it appreciate everybody watching and listening

to the NFL Stock Exchange Podcast I'm Trevor Sagan this is Connor Rogers saying we'll see you next time Thank you.