NFL Stock Exchange: An NFL Draft Podcast - 309. Connor vs. Trevor: Updated Top 50 Big Board

Episode Date: February 19, 2025

Trevor Sikkema and Connor Rogers unveil their new Top 50 big boards and discuss why the other couldn't be more wrong with where they have players ranked

Welcome to the opening bell of the NFL Stock Exchange Podcast. Trevor Sycamore, Connor Rodgers here with you guys for a very exciting episode. We are updating the top 50s. I'm going to war, baby. We're getting straight into the octagon. We're throwing fisticuffs as Connor has updated his top 50 big board and i have updated the top 50 of the pff big board and today we're doing battle we're going to talk about it we're going to go through every single player that we have on the updated top 50 i think it's gonna be a fun episode hopefully we're still

friends after this connor but how you doing my friend i'm good man this is this is a good time to do this right before the Combine. Obviously, the Combine brings about a ton of not only player movement, but also expansion of big boards. So it's nice to kind of, I like to call it, you know, build that foundation of the 50 players. I know you do this more than me because you are, you're like the Wizard of Oz of the Mock Draft Simulator. Like all those rankings, you you have to you're constantly adding

players i hadn't done a top 50 since september so now we've done so many positional rankings on this show throughout the season that i've had them all by position but when you actually stack the players as one collective group for the draft and you're also comparing it to essentially before the college season went into full effect uh it's you're also comparing it to essentially before the college season went into full effect uh it's you know obviously jarring to see how things change so it's it's been really really cool to drop that today for mbc don't worry i didn't miss the subtle shot they're calling me the wizard of oz as a compliment but then also calling me a fraud behind the scenes in it after i said it i'm like i meant more like behind the curtain pulling levers but not like the guy

that yeah i don't no spoilers today okay or for wicked are you a wicked guy uh so i haven't seen it no okay i have not seen it's a 10 out of 10 so you you will eventually but yeah it's phenomenal it's phenomenal i'm not like a me i'm not really like a musical guy um but you know do you like the great showman do you watch great showman i did not but i heard this great oh brother yeah i know goaded i know absolutely well then i'll watch greatest showman you'll watch wicked and we'll come back to the podcast yeah and then we'll have a we'll have a we'll have a musical only episode during the summer when only the true sickos are still i was gonna say the sickos and true addicts are still around for that. By the way, I see the USA jersey. I had to also don the USA hat.

Well done. As the U.S. hockey team is in the championship game of the Four Nations here on Thursday, taking out Team Canada. You know, we already beat them, so. I mean, it's like, really, we have to do this again? Right. It's kind of this, like, okay, well, I mean, if we beat them, do we get the rubber match?

Like, what are we doing here? Is it really a round-around format? But very proud of the boys. Very proud of the USA boys for getting it done the first time they faced Canada. Dropped the game to Sweden right before. It's all right. It's all right. It's all right.

You know? Rested a lot of guys. You know, it doesn't matter. We're ramping up. We're ramping up. Exactly. We see rivalry. Four nations.

We see rivalry week here in a couple of days. Dude, this has been so much fun. I love this. Way to nail it. In an era where all-star formats are dying, right? Like literally dying. The NFL, which is a little trickier because the injury factor, the Pro Bowl just has never been more relevant.

NBA had a really tough weekend in terms of their all-star format. I always have a soft spot for baseball because I've just grown up loving the home run derby, and I still think the derby is good. I think the game has even lost a lot of luster. But, man, did hockey. Hockey said, screw the all-star format and the skills competition. We're just going to straight up do a four nations a year before the Olympics, which is like an elite way to ramp up to that, because now you get the taste of not just the U.S. and Canada

who have incredible programs, but Sweden and Finland who also have incredible international programs. As we're one year out from the Milan Olympics, this is just an absolute dynamite, and it's so cool to see how serious the players have taken it. You know, I... Reluctantly, there's a lot of bolts that are on Team Canada, so it's a little bit of rooting against my boys,

because Sorelli, Hagel, Point, they all play for Team Canada. John Cooper's the head coach of Team Canada. Yeah, it is very Tampa-heavy. I know, I know. We got good hockey players down there. I don't know what to tell you. That's how it goes. You know, it is very Tampa heavy. I know, I know. We got good hockey players down there. I don't know what to tell you. That's how it goes. You know, it's all about...

You got Gensel. I was going to say, it's all about Jack Gensel in this house, baby. It's all about Gensel on the U.S., so that's been a nice spot for you guys. Yeah, I agree, though. This is a very fun way to do this all-star format, and I think a lot of leagues, like you said, are really struggling with this. You know, the NFL is kind of trying to figure out what they're doing with the pro bowl the nba is obviously i think they're in the middle of this mess here but hockey it's it's fun man i mean

whenever you you lace them up i mean it's just competitiveness all the way what are the three fights in the first nine seconds of the previous usa canada game so you have the kachuks playing on a line together hell yeah their dad I believe it was in the 96 world cup of hockey famously fought against team Canada and Keith was an absolute maniac and so it was no surprising to see Matthew and Brady back to back but JT Miller was the funniest one because of course Matthew gets into a fight Brady gets into a fight. Brady gets into a fight. And then it looks like they're finally about to play the game, and somebody just dumps a puck on net,

and there's a scrum around the goalie. And if you watch JT Miller, he just throws his gloves off in the scrum, and just is begging for anyone. He would not be denied. He's like, I want to get into a fight as well uh and he got parenko who's the biggest he's like godzilla on ice so he was kind of a little bit of an f around and find out situation but absolute electricity in montreal and you know it's a good way to wrap

this up as we get into these top 50s jt miller not only a tampa bay lightning legend also a new york two-time New York Ranger. Oh, yeah, he was two-time. We traded him in the Lightning, and now he's back on the Rangers. Classic. Oh, you'll love to see it. All right, boys, let's take it home. Let's take this Four Nations tournament. Make sure that we go into the Olympics next winter,

and they know who the powerhouse is in the world when it comes to hockey. All right, let's dig into these top 50s. Very excited for this episode. It's going to be a lot of fun here. Connors released his top 50, like you talked about earlier in the show over at NBC Sports. You guys can check that out. Please do so and support his work. Also, you can see my updated top 50 as we have it over on the PFF Big Board. I'll keep you guys updated on this. It's sort of going to be a little bit tough. We're changing the process at PFF to make it a lot better in the long term but for a long time the pff big board has sort of just been the big board of whoever the lead draft

analyst was you know it was mike renner before me now it's sort of me now we're developing sort of like a scouting department at pff to where we can have even more players on the big board um we can get a lot more info in there for you guys a little bit earlier and so really this the tail end of this year but really into next year it will be less of just my big board certainly when we get into I think January and draft season of next year but um for now it is still sort of my thoughts on these players in my top 50 so I think that we can go uh really just in increments of 10 I feel like that's the best way to do it we gotta i feel like it it's it's actually more suspenseful to start at number one i agree and then build it

down to see who just barely made the top 50 that we get to talk about there and get some uh some guys who are sort of my guys in there throughout the process so let's start at number one we're gonna start number one here uh you you read your top 10, and then I'll read off my top 10. Then we'll have a little fun combo about it. All right, so number one for me is still Travis Hunter. I know I feel like consensus is going to land at my number two player, Abdul Carter. I'm still rocking with Travis Hunter as the best player in the draft,

whether he plays wide receiver or corner. I mean, it feels like corner i actually don't even want to guess at this point just because the combine lists him a certain way like i feel like right they listen to the dbs but he also said like he's going to work with the wide receivers as well so and he's been vocal about this the entire way that he wants to do both anyway either way i think he is is pretty special on both sides of the ball Abdul Carter's number two the edge rusher from Penn State number three Ashton Gentry the running back out of Boise State number four Mason Graham the defensive lineman from Michigan five Will Campbell offensive

lineman from LSU he's played left tackle I think long term he might be a guard I still think he's the best offensive lineman in the draft six Tyler Warren the tight end from Penn State seven Mike Green edge rusher from Marshall. Eight, Cam Ward, quarterback from Miami. First quarterback comes in at eighth overall. Nine, Armand Membu, the offensive tackle from Missouri. And 10, T-Mac, Tett McMillan, the wide receiver from Arizona. So it's a lot of the similar names, just sort of in different order.

Our one and two is the same. We are standing firm here on the show, Travis Hunter, number one, and Abdul Carter, number two. So, um, you know, if you're you guys who listen to this show regularly and hit every episode one, we love you to death. Thank you. Shout out. You also know that the cornerback ranking episode is coming out on Thursday here for the show. So you're going to get a little bit of a sneak preview of sort of my cornerback rankings I don't know if Connor threw his updated ones in there as he's kind of going throughout the week but dude Travis Hunter is an unbelievable football player I mean I watched him for the wide receiver episode that we did back in December and you know me the whole time I have been team play Travis Hunter at corner

and then you give him some handful of reps. Yeah, I was the other way going into the year. Right. But when we went through the wide receiver episode, I watched Hunter. I was like, God damn, this guy's good at wide receiver. Am I really going to be able to hold this? Because I thought I was going through it logically, but he's so good at wide receiver. I really going to be able to hold this because I thought I was going through it logically but he's so good at wide receiver I watched him at corner he's cb1 yes he's he is he is cb1 for me in this class as as good as he is at wide receiver he is just as good if not better

at the cornerback position and that is while playing it full-time in both areas I agree with you I think he's the best football player in the draft I also have a dual carder at number two I had Ted McMillan a little bit higher I've got Ted McMillan at number three I got Mason Graham at number four so we're right around the same area there Gentee same thing you've got him at three I have him at five I have Malachi Starks at number six and you have him a little bit lower I think I want to get to him in a second. I got Will Campbell at seven. So same area.

Luther Burden is eight for me. Jadae Barron, the corner from Texas, is number nine. A little bit of a sneak peek of the cornerback episode that we can talk about here in a second. And then I have Tyler Warren there at number 10. So I think the big difference is that we have Malachi Starks at number six for me. Luther Burden at number eight for me. And Jadae Barron at number six for me, Luther Burden at number eight for me, and Jaday Barron at number nine for me. I know where a couple of those guys are, but where did you end up with Malachi Starks here for yours? So Starks, I ended up at 26th. Okay. Okay. So that's a big difference.

You had Burden where? I have Burden at eight. I have him atth okay so we'll talk i want to talk about him in a second and then where'd you have baron where'd you have jade baron baron i am a little lower on i had him at 30 okay so let's let's start the conversation talking about malachi stark so you got him in the 20s he's somebody that was consensus well was he consistent or i had winston i had winston as the top safety and then okay so you've been a little bit lower on Malachi Starks I think then a lot of people early on but it does I do want to say it does seem like national consensus is getting closer to sort of where you had Malachi Starks at the beginning of the season so what do you see in Starks that kind of puts him in the

mid-20s versus where some people like myself had him in the top 10 i really like him a lot i and i i just never got to that point my whole take was with starks who we've had in the top 15 of mock drafts on this show throughout the year and is that if you i think it's so hard to be a safety that goes in the top 10 unless you really create takeaways. And Starks didn't really create takeaways in 2024. But when you watch the tape, he's a very, very fluid coverage guy that plays the slot. He can play free safety. But I mean, as a nickel, he's a really, really good player.

They line him up even in the box he's played a lot of special teams he's a versatile weapon that can make life easier for a defensive coordinator because of his ability and coverage i and i think he's a pretty he's a very clean tackler when he sees things and arrives in the timely manner there was a couple times where i thought he was a tick slow and might have missed an angle, but I thought it got better. That's an aspect that got better from 2023 to 2024. And I do think he has ball skills.

Some of this is about opportunity, but I like Starks a lot. I don't know if he impacts the game in a way that completely changes your defense in terms of like aggressive nature and takeaways and in like insane range on the back end at free safety I think he's more of a like I once again I'm more of a nickel cover guy that can play free safety but I like him a lot I just think he needs a little bit more ball production probably this year to make the jump

from being a player in the top 30 that could easily go in this draft top 20 I have no problem with that rather than a guy that you know is more top 15 top 10 kind of pick yeah and you know full transparency as we often say that phrase here on the show we haven't gotten to safeties yet so what I have of Malachi Starks a lot of it is rooted in some of what I saw this season but a lot of what I watched when I gave him a full study this summer. And so I felt as though some of his lack of opportunity that, or some of his lack of production this year really stemmed from a lack of opportunity more than others. But I have talked to, you know, a couple of draft analysts that I really respect throughout the industry that are more sort of on, on your

wavelength where they go, Hey, he's a good player good player I like him is he that like elite takeover type of safety that you would put in the top 10 I feel like I'm getting a little push back there in that regard but until we get to a final eval of him I did still think that he was that high impact safety type of a player so that's where I had Malachi Starks you had Luther Burden uh more in the 20s I still have him in the top 10 I have him at number eight talk to me about Burden where did he line up because he's wide receiver two for me at number eight where is he for you in terms of the wide receiver rankings yeah so Burden was behind obviously Travis Hunter, Tet McMillan, uh Emeka Buka okay so i like a buka better than burden okay and there's a little bit of a floor ceiling debate to be had there i think burden we know about the drop off this year that

wasn't all his fault if you watch the tape some of the misthrows or the way the offense had to use him and some of the limitations of their passing game um you know were obviously problematic at times this is somebody that 2023 tops 1200 yards this season i don't he didn't get to 700 so yeah it was it was not a productive year for him right that's not all his fault and i i think he does play bigger than his size i like the way he goes over the middle of the field i like how things look when he gets the ball in his hands, that there's a little bit of a lookout nature. He can make something happen after the catch.

I mean, we go once again back to that 2023 season where it's over 700 yards after the catch, and he didn't even have 700 receiving yards this year. So there's a really, really great player on that 2023 tape. I think he's never going to be this jump ball monster but I think he catches the ball in congested areas really really well I think where I get a little concerned is that the last two years he's he's been a slot guy I know he played out wide in 2022 but he's a he's a dense guy but he's not six feet tall

like when you look at number one wide receivers around the league you're basically either big or you're an out of this world athlete and sometimes number one wide receivers are both and there's nothing wrong with being a high end number number two. It's just your usage. Like, do I need to play Luther Burden in the slot after I draft him all of the time? And how does that have a trickle effect on the rest of my offense? And then you look at, you know, just this year, as much as the offense and the quarterback didn't help, he still, the yards per reception dropped like three full yards. I just didn't think he was making as many as explosive plays as we were accustomed to seeing.

And I don't know if he got banged up. It feels like there was a couple times watching tape where he came off the field that he was banged up by something. But that also goes back to you. You should get the volume of a number one, but you don't have the size I typically love at a number one wide receiver. And there are outliers in the league, but there's the,

you look at all the size of like the typical number ones or explosiveness and they are built a certain way for a reason. So I like burden, but this was definitely a, a step down from him this year for me. And I just think I'm more comfortable with the floor of the three receivers I had in front of him. While I think Hunter is a more explosive athlete,

I think McMillan is imposing with his size. And I think Ibuka is just so much more rugged. The brand of football he plays, like I don't see any way Ibuka is not a very good pro. Yeah, no, I think that that's very logical. I think how you laid that out with Luther Burden, I believe he is more 2023 than he is 2024. When you look at like, okay, Jekyll and Hyde,

which one's the real Luther Burden? I think it's more of the 2023 version than the 2024 version. But if you are sort of taking his most recent football of a what have you done for me lately type of a viewpoint and sort of the tape, the most recent tape that he is giving us, getting to this level, because I don't believe he he was hurt there wasn't anything that was holding him back but it was not a productive season i think that was more on mizzou's offense i think that i think um is he a is he a crazy like straight line athlete no i'll give you that i think he's a

pretty rare change of direction athlete though and when you give me that i'm sort of a sucker for players who could do that because that's also a key ingredient and a route for a potentially elite route runner and separator yep even when you get to the pro so i'm sort of betting on that i think the 2024 sorry the 2023 version of him is better that's why i still got him in my top 10 i still believe in luther burden the third i have johnny baron from texas at number nine i'm actually going to save my analysis on him for the cornerback episode it's called a teaser i think that's a good idea we don't want to uh we gotta get you to come back we gotta get you guys to

come back yeah yeah we we should save a lot of the db analysis for that because we're going to be doing we always do 90 to 90 minutes to two hours on each position group. Yep. So I then a Tyler Warren at number 10. So that sort of rounds out the top 10. Well, let me let me ask you one. OK, where do you have Mike Green? That just reminded me of the when when Dr. Strange says to Thanos, let me ask you one time. It was actually like pretty accidentally eerily close. What master do I serve? What am I supposed to say?

Jesus? Okay. All right. You asked Mike Green. Mike Green's not far from me. He's 12. Okay. So we're going to have this conversation in the next 10 anyway.

Yeah. He is right there for me at number 12. I don't know why I'm asking you where you had him. I literally have your big board open in front of me on a monitor it's like yeah i've been on i've been online it's good it's a good podcast conversation that's what we need you got to think about the listener you're just always thinking about the listener that's why you're uh that's why you're a good podcast co-host thank you i have you know i've got cam ward at 19 you got him at eight i think it's worth at least asking the question at this point in time.

How much does positional value go into your big board? Because for me, I try to give it a decent amount of weight. I've told you guys this before on the podcast that I'm trying to do something a little bit different this year where I have actually different boards. I'm going to have a film board. I'm going to have an overall board, but then I'm also going to have a positional importance big board because we do have a mathematical equation that we could sort of set up at pff we're kind of working through it it's at the beginning stages but we have a force multiplier by using our wins above average metric and sort of multiplying that and coming up with a math equation with the film evaluation that we have of a lot of these guys

to sort of spit out a okay here's what we have of a lot of these guys to sort of spit out a okay here's what we think of them just as raw prospects as how they are for the position and now here's a multiplier that we have that correctly tells you how much that is valued and there's a there's a bunch of different layers I'll be able to break down some more of it without giving away too much of the secret sauce but I'll be able to break down a little bit more of that, I think, when we get into April and I get to set that up. But Cam Ward at number eight, is that just simply because, hey, he plays quarterback, you got to take a chance on him?

Or where are you with positional value when it comes to these prospects? So I do a hybrid of this. And I feel like a lot of people don't because, obviously, I have Ash and Jenty third overall. So people are like oh running backs don't matter on this show we often remind you that they do um but obviously that it's weighted differently like a franchise left tackle is going to be a little different than a running back so it matters to me but i've definitely over the years loosened up on it like just two years ago i had will anderson as the number one player in the draft.

And obviously Bryce Young and CJ Stroud were really highly regarded quarterback prospects. So I don't play the game of, Hey, if it's a, it's a quarterback, like they just have to be so much significantly higher. I try to at least paint the picture with the write-ups of like,

hey, Cam Ward, I think, has starting quarterback ability. He's a big-time playmaker. He's on the right trajectory of dialing in on his recklessness, and he makes big-time throws. I think he could be a franchise quarterback. I think there is a lot of risk associated with Cam Ward where I won't put him in my top five because I don't feel the same way with the top five players in the draft. Like I will be

very surprised if Travis Hunter, Abdul Carter, Ashton Jenty, Mason Graham, and Will Campbell are not longtime NFL players. There's a world, a reality where Cam Ward just doesn't take care of the football, reverts back to his old self a little bit and is, you know, somebody's backup in three years from now, because that's just the reality of it where, but there's been quarterback prospects in the past where I haven't felt that way and not victory lapping in any way. I'm just kind of stating the obvious. Like I didn't feel that way about Joe Burrow, for instance, right? I didn't feel that way about Trevor Lawrence, honestly, I had him had him ranked really highly. So, yeah, I think that's I it's a hybrid for me.

I think when you weigh it too much, it does the big board a disservice. But if you don't weigh it at all, it's hard for your audience to grasp that. So it's fair. Yeah, that's yeah. So I've tried to find the right balance but i think i do skew more towards like good football players on a big board is just what matters and the mock draft will tell the story of where a guy's going to go on a curve i think that's that's a perfectly logical way to go about it i think a lot of people ask us those questions

so i figured you know with cam ward being a number eight him number 19 for me feel like that would be a natural question that a lot of people would have which we try to answer here all right you know with cam ward being a number eight him number 19 for me feel like that would be a natural question that a lot of people would have which we try to answer here all right you know what you're saying all that makes me realize if if we we have full-time jobs besides this podcast like we could do the next three months this show four to five times a week with the amount of designations you can go like you could do a you know a position value big board you can do a hey here's my top five you know we had this conversation on defensive linemen like odd front defensive line like that's how deep scouting goes it's just that you know we try to go as in-depth as we can but eventually you just do hit a time limit. You know, if you're watching this podcast and you're subscribed to it,

I promise you we are always going to be pushing the envelope to cover the NFL draft as best and as thoroughly as we possibly can on this channel, this channel every single year. We're going to play the hits that you guys love to listen to and watch because it's also an entertainment factor of this show in this channel but like what connor said there are plans down the road and and we're sort of running out of time a little bit this year we'll try to implement as much as we can but just giving you guys these little hints and nuggets of things that we are

working towards towards next draft and the draft after that and setting that up to where um this is your favorite draft channel for a lot of reasons and setting that up to where um this is your favorite draft channel for a lot of reasons and and and not just because um hopefully it's entertaining for you but also because we're bringing you all sorts of great information so we're always going to try to do that so all right 11 through 10 or sorry 11 through 20 give me your 11 through 20 here 11 walter nolan defensive lineman from omiss 12 will johnson the corner from Michigan, 13 Amarian Hampton, the running back from UNC, 14 Kenneth Grant, defensive line from Michigan, 15 Emeka Obuka, wide receiver Ohio State, 16 Colston Loveland, tight end Michigan, 17 Nick Scowerton, edge rusher Texas A&M, 18 Jalen Walker, linebacker slash edge rusher Georgia,, Kelvin Banks, offensive tackle, Texas,

20, Shamar Stewart, edge defensive lineman, Texas A&M. We've got a lot of the same names once again. I think we could have the Mike Green conversation in a second. At number 11, I have James Pierce Jr. from Tennessee. Number 12, I got Mike Green, the edge rusher from Marshall. 13, Will Johnson, the corner from michigan 14 kenneth grant the defensive tackle from michigan 15 walter nolan oh we got a same z's for it what kenneth grant 14 we got a same z's oh you love that you just love you really do love to

see it it's like when we matched outfits last week yeah yeah which was totally planned. Okay, so 16. I have Josh Simmons, the offensive tackle from Ohio State. Fully understand that if his knee is more messed up and is going to hold him back from an NFL career, obviously that means a lot. There's another guy in my top 50 that we'll have that conversation with. Not about the knee, but it'll be something else. So injury sort of goes into that. I can understand why he wouldn't be in your top 20 probably for

that reason and others maybe and that's it in mecca buca we i have at 17 it's pretty close to you kevin max jr have at 18 pretty close to you cam ward 19 we already talked about that and then rounding up number 20 i got derrick harman defensive tackle from warwick which spoke very highly of in the defensive tackle, interior defensive line episode that we recently recorded. Before we hit Mike Green, if you want to hit on Mike Green, James Pierce Jr., where's he at for you? This is actually the one I was more interested in talking about.

I had him 27th. All right. Okay. Do you have the, do you think he's just a speed rusher concerns here's actually my weird concern building off that question oh oh wow you don't you don't think he's draftable i don't think he's i don't think he's draftable oh geez 27th overall not draftable damn he's he's an enigma james pierce he he's explosive he's got length he's very lean which we all know that and that's fine we just had this combo two years ago about will mcdonald

and will mcdonald just had double digit sacks he's been a pass rush win rate monster for two years in a row we've talked he misses a he doesn've talked, he misses a lot of plays, tackles. It's very bizarre. He could have insane production if he finished 50% more of the plays he missed on. I think he's quick off the ball, but I don't think he's a great speed rusher. He doesn't know how, or maybe just can't yet, angle his way into the pocket like gifted speed rushers do he's got a really good first step he can blow by offensive linemen but he doesn't win around the

outside shoulder with bend and flexibility as much as i thought he would so and he's got to get bigger and stronger to be a three down defender i think he's i've said this over summer i think he's got to get bigger and stronger to be a three-down defender. I've said this over summer. I think he has really good pound-for-pound strength, but when you watch him against the bigger tackles this year, you could see how he's just outmatched in the run game, but he's an explosive guy with length, and he's been productive enough that these guys go where.

I still had him in my top 30. I think he's a DPR right now. I think if a coach works with him a little bit on how to master more of those finesse rush abilities he likes to win with power a lot and it's just hard to do with his body type and I brought up Will McDonald in the beginning with the weight wise but Will was a much bendier prospect than him so I like Pierce I don't love Pierce like I thought I would. You know, it's funny. It's a little bit of the opposite with me. I thought that I would be around the same range that you are.

And I think for most of the season, I had James Pierce Jr. because I was a little bit skeptical of him going into the season. I had him more where you have him now. And when I went through final evals, I think the way that he played with strength that I was not expecting was something that just really stood out to me and I think him being 21 years old and a true junior coming out it makes me think that all right like you can put on a little bit more size you are still kind of figuring it out and do I wish he had more of a pass rush plan at times

yes do I think he was a little bit better at leaning into sort of those speed aspects of how to win versus the outside shoulder? Yeah, but there's just, there's so much there, in my opinion. Yeah, you're right. There's so much there for him to put on a little bit more extra weight, become stronger, be a more complete player. If you're taking a little bit of a, now,'t blame you for this because i just said in i think it was the interior defensive line episode i am becoming more and more a player of if i don't see it from you i have a hard time convincing myself yeah but what if you know what if he figures it

out what if he does all you know and and i i am more i'm more skeptical of that as a scout now than i used to be because you've been burned by it like all of everyone 100 percent yeah pierce is still one of those players that i'll tell you this too the thing i can't wait for his combine results because there are times when he looks like a speed demon out there. But I also know he's a snap jumper a little bit. Oh, he loves it. Loves it. But here's the thing. That's a skill.

Without a doubt. As long as you are athletic enough to win when you don't time the snap count in an elite fashion, right? Because then I can say you're a great speed rusher but then you also have some of these snaps where you anticipate the ball coming out of the center's hand so quickly the offensive tackle's got no you know who's good at that von miller right right and like but you know and yeah that's my comment for james pierce jr no he's not next segment yeah that's it. Moving on.

But if James Pierce Jr. ends up having an elite 10-yard split, a great 40-yard dash, all of a sudden I go, I'm in. Yep, great. This is fine for me. I'll bet on this player. It is what it is. If he is less explosive than we think he's going to be especially depending on what he weighs in when he gets to the combine

then i start to reevaluate things i'll probably be a little bit closer to where you are when when it's all said and done but i did love the film i love the play a little bit stronger so i got him in the top uh i got him in the top 12 because i i just think of the potential what this guy could be here one quick, I fully am in line with you on Josh Simmons. You have him 16, but you brought up the injury. I was the opposite. I had him 31, but I wrote in the write-up

this is way too low if his medical check goes well at the combine. Like if I get good news on the knee, he will not be outside the top 30. Yep. I think the rest of it we talked about a lot of the interior defense yeah we're going to talk about will johnson a ton yeah on the corner show we'll talk about will john what do you think of me having we could kind of bridge the two the

next tier to my this tier marion hampton in the top 15 yeah i i think that you know the more i'm thinking about the running back position with this class, I'm wondering if I'm just too low on it overall. Because you got Hampton at 13. And when I watch Hampton, I mean, there's just so much that he brings to the table. You know, we talked about it in the running back episode. Sometimes I think he blurs the line between being urgent to get to the line of scrimmage versus not having as much patience as he needs to to really let

block set up and all that and sometimes that's something that can get fixed and and with more playing time and more awareness and a higher football iq the more football you play but there's just so much that he brings to the table that like if you told me that omari and hampton is just going to be one of the best backs in the NFL over the next four years like I'd get it and so at that point in time I've got him ranked at 25 like it's 25 too low no because I think it's a great pass protector one of the best pass protectors in the class and I think he's a decent receiver as well so he brings you that full three down ability so there's not a lot that I have to say about Omarion Hampton that I don't love so it's 25 just then too low for me because then you

can go a little bit further Cam Scadabo is near in the 50s uh Dylan Sampson's right outside of my top 50 Caleb Johnson's right outside of my top 50 and I like these players but am I just too low on them overall I wonder if that's something that once I get through the initial bulk of like okay we've gotten through all the positions and we got a lot of full scattering reports running back is going to be one of those that's my first rechecks that I go am I just it's not that I'm seeing the player too differently am I just low are on their value overall when it comes to those big boards so that is it's a great conversation that you brought up and and I'm glad that you did. But Hampton's a hell of a player, and I think when you bring that three-down-back ability,

especially at the size, speed, explosiveness combination that he has, it's hard to keep you too low on a big board. I agree. I think we see him the same then. It's just a matter of kind of juggling, you know, where you put him right now. Positional value a little bit for me a little bit for me um you got jalen walker at 18 i have them at 32 sorry i'm at 32 i'm just

again more skeptical of him being a full-time edge rusher at the NFL level. Really great athlete, super explosive. I'm very conflicted. Convert speed to power. I get it. Like Dane and DJ have this guy in the top 10. I think Dane's got him like third overall. Dude, yeah. Some big names in our industry think he's like literally one of the best players in the draft,

which says a lot. Yeah. And hey, you know, a lot of those people I think probably have great connections like at Georgia as well. So maybe they're telling him like, hey, this kid's a great kid. He's only going to get better. He's a workhorse. You got to work harder. When that's the case, I mean, you see a lot of the flashes from him. I mean, you wrote it in your blurbs here of what you think of Walker and what he could be. If you're playing him as an off-ball linebacker, I'm out.

I just didn't do it for me at all. So much lower on him. Official measurements for him in athletic testing at the Combine will be nice to at least check all those boxes to say, okay, yeah, he is an athletic guy that we've seen a lot of times on tape, and he can sort of just call upon it whenever he wants. That'll be important for an edge rush projection for him, but I'm just a little bit more skeptical that it's not as much of a,

oh, yeah, just play him at edge, and he'll be elite, than some other people there. Yeah. Combine is huge for me with Walker. It really is. Like I always am honest about guys that they can fluctuate pretty significantly higher or lower because of the combine. He's a guy I've written down in red ink on a list of guys that it'll, it'll matter a lot.

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21, Jihad Campbell, linebacker slash sometimes pass rusher from Alabama. I like it. 22, his teammate, Tyler Booker, guard from Alabama. T-book. 23, Shadur Sanders, quarterback from Colorado. I'm sure we'll talk about him. 24, Luther Burden, wide guard from Alabama. T-Book. 23, Shadir Sanders, quarterback from Colorado. I'm sure we'll talk about him. 24, Luther Burden, wide receiver from Missouri. 25, Tyleek Williams, defensive line from Ohio State.

If you want to hear more about him, we talked a ton on our defensive line position rankings we just did. Malachi Starks, safety from Georgia. We kind of opened the show on him. James Pierce, the edge rusher from Tennessee at 27. 28, a guy I just watched for the second time. I watched him very early. I watched him a little over summer slash early in the year. Then I watched him again in depth last week.

Nick Amanwari, safety from South Carolina. 29, Josh Connerly, offensive tackle, Oregon. 30, Jadae Barron, who we'll talk about more on the Corner Show from Texas. So for me, 21 is Mikel Williams, the edge rusher from Georgia. 22, Shamar Stewart, defensive lineman from Texas A&M. 23, Armand Membu, the offensive tackle from Missouri. I got Matthew Golden, the wide receiver from Texas at 24. Omari and Hampton, we talked about him at 25.

I got Gray Zabel, the offensive lineman. I think he's an interior offensive lineman. I love him at center from North Dakota State. I have him at 26. Nick Skorton from Texas A&M at 27. Darius Alexander, the defensive tackle from Toledo. I have him now at number 28 after going through the defensive line episode, and I've got him all the way up there at number 28.

I think he's an absolute stud, especially. Ranked 28th, and he's almost turning 28. You love to see. You know, when it just matches up. When it just matches up with the age. Sorry, I just had you. Hey, a good combine, and he's going to be right up there matching the age. I know, I know.

He'll go Benjamin Button with the big board rank versus the age here if he has a good combine. I got Jihad Campbell in this group as well. I have him at 29. I also have Josh Connerly around the same spot at number 30 here. So a handful of these guys we've talked a lot about already in previous position ranking episodes. Who's the guy that I wanted to... Oh, we got to talk about Nick Emanwari. So full transparency

here I haven't really moved him on my rankings he is so interesting because over summer like I didn't even think he could play safety really like I did not think he moved well enough to be to play safety even as a box safety like a second level defender didn't feel like he moved well enough didn't feel like he anticipated well enough crazy athlete't feel like he anticipated well enough. Crazy athlete for his size, no doubt about it, but his 2023, I thought there was a lot of lack of polish. This past year, way better from him, and I haven't gotten to the full eval yet, so I haven't

been able to really adjust rankings for him, but you're not the only one who's got him into his top 50 now. You've got him in the top 30 here at 28. Talk to me about Iman Wari. I know we'll do safeties in a couple of weeks, but just having him here at number 28, somebody that everybody needs to know. Yeah, he's legitimately got a shot

to go in the first round. I mean, he's over 220 pounds. He's six foot three, obviously a freaks list guy. He's going to just jump through the ceiling at the NFL Combine. I thought it was impressive with him. I still don't think you're far off from Summer. Like you watch the tape and a lot of his best plays were comfort moments.

He's almost an outside linebacker. But he does have that versatility that I feel like you can match him up against some tight ends. You can play him in coverage and rely on his instincts. He's obviously a big body out there if you want somebody to kind of just run through a blocker's face to blow up a screen like he he does give you a little bit of both worlds where he's the the bigger db or the smaller linebacker although if he's really 227 that's not even small for an outside linebacker no today's he could play there that's what's crazy but i why i don't have him in the top 25 or ahead of Starks, because I think there's going to be a lot of debates between him and Starks.

We're very different players. I don't think he's a better player than Starks, is he's not fluid like Starks. He's a little stiff in the upper half. The change of direction sometimes, he looks a little tight. But he can come down and play a physical brand of football. And I think he's his he trusts his eyes in coverage. And that's why he made some plays on the ball this year that were really, really impressive.

So a man worry like I think if you have a plan for him and ask him to do different things in different packages, you'll get the most of him rather than just saying, hey, you're a strong hey you're a nickel or hey you're gonna play outside linebacker like the value in him why he's snuck into my top 30 is that there is legitimate versatility in certain packages down by down love it i love to hear about it now this is the section of the top 50 where the gap starts to get a little bit wider with certain players for example uh you have tyler booker at 22 i've got him at 49 okay um you have matthew golden at somewhere in the 40s where was he he was 41 for you i have matthew golden at 24 you've got gray zabel at 42 i've got him at 26 you're obviously a massive hater for both of these very good football players so what nothing to do with them no clearly again not even draftable it feels like uh you're bet you you got a patriots big board it's 22 guys

long and it doesn't really matter if they're gone guys which are the picks oh man so i i think the three guys that we should uh talk about sort of briefly here are those three players so i'm higher on matthew golden i have about 20 spots higher and i have grace able i've talked about this before we haven't gone through the interior offensive line episode but we did talk about this when we went through the post senior bowl mock draft I think Graves Abel is Graham Barton this year I think that we should be talking about Graves Abel like we talked about Graham Barton he goes 26 to the Buccaneers last year I think that Graves Abel is a back end of the first round type of plug and play interior offensive lineman at the next level so that's why I got him where I do at 26 and then matthew golden um

dude i just i i see too much like stefan digs in his game i do okay the route running ability creating separation he's got a couple of the one-handed catches this year i know it's sort of like all right it's a breakout year this year and it's a one-year type of a thing but dude was texas go-to receiver this season basically in all situations and even though he's a little bit smaller I think he brings that feistiness and that route running savviness to get open the way that Stefan Diggs did when he was in his prime so not that Golden's going to step into the NFL and immediately be that top tier version of Diggs but I think the way that he wins and his play style is just so similar to

that type of a player that uh i'm a little bit higher on him so let me know what do you think of golden and zabel here as guys who are in your early 40s maybe a simplistic counter but i just don't i don't view them as the athletes that i think maybe you do where i liked them a lot at the top of the second round i didn't love them as first round athletes barton i think zabel is a good athlete barton was i think a 9.99 r a r a s guy like they're estimated 454 short shuttle at the uh at his pro day which is alien status i mean the mean for the short shuttle for interior guys is 474 so he blew that out of the water three cone was a 731 i mean the mean for the three cone anterior guys is 7-8 like barton was just

almost a tight end at times playing playing interior offensive lineman i don't know if zabel will be able to match that but i think he'll be good it's more with golden i think golden does everything at the position right the footwork is calculated tempo in his routes tracking always knows when the ball is supposed to be there and gets his head around for it before the corner does but not too early once again tracking over the shoulder i don't think he's fast i don't think he's slow i don't think he's fast so so here's the thing with Diggs. Neither was Diggs. Let me look this up. Hold on.

Because I had the same thought as you. And when I was watching him, I was like, dude, he reminds me a lot of Stefan Diggs. And then I went and looked up Stefan Diggs' number. Like 4-4-6-40-yard dash? That's fast, though. I mean, it's not blank. You don't think Golden's like... I thought he was more like a 4-5's guy. i'm wrong maybe i'm wrong i i maybe i'm maybe you're dead wrong maybe i'm just an idiot maybe you're dead wrong no maybe i'm just an idiot wow digs had

digs had a wildly unimpressive combine right right like wildly unimpressive i think he's such a better athlete than these numbers it blows my mind right i and i do i doressive. I think he's such a better athlete than these numbers. It blows my mind. Right. And I do agree that I think he's a better athlete than the numbers, but not out of the question. Again, I think that Diggs is a good athlete, but I don't think he just beats you with athleticism.

Diggs just became a really good route runner. He just became really good with his feet. He became really good at setting defenders up, whether it was against leverage at the line scrimmage before the snap or setting themselves up against their leverage when they were deeper down the field he was just so much more savvy so the way that digs doesn't have to win with his athleticism i don't think golden has to win like that either so no i don't think so either i thought he was a high end yeah i thought he was a guy that should be a good number two um that he actually i think he gets characterized as like a slot receiver and he played outside a ton golden way more way more so one i want to ask you about

which it's it's funny because you're not like that high on him compared to everyone else. But you have Mikel Williams at 21. I had him in this big board at 45. Okay. I think I'm going to be a little higher on him than that at the end because I've been trying to figure out how much the injury mattered this year. Yeah. And I didn't factor that into the ranking. He's not going to turn 21 until this summer.

He obviously looks like the prototype. I don't think he's not going to turn 21 until this summer he obviously looks like the prototype i don't think he's very explosive and the production whatever like there is none so that's a whole nother conversation but i'm just trying when a guy's not product here we go shamar stewart has had one and a half sacks each of the last three seasons and he's in my top 20 because i think he's an alien. He's huge. He's long. He moves like a 250-pound edge rusher.

He does disrupt a lot of plays. I see it on tape. I think Mikel, his run defense floor is completely fine, where I take him in the second round. But I am not going to hope that I ever get what people are dreaming of when they mock him consistently in the top 15 of mock drafts which to be fair you you don't have him ranked there and i i can't

imagine i'm going to be much higher on him than this even with a great combine and this is sort of me taking into account that i think he's going to test well i do think he's going to test explosively if he doesn't then i'm probably going to move him down a little bit more probably to that early second round type of a range. Because I think he's an NFL player, right? I think worst comes to worst, he's an edge two at the NFL level. But there were enough very splash plays, very much flashes. I will agree with this.

But there were enough first step off the line of scrimmage violent hands over like over the top swimming over the player into the backfield and i go whoa i don't think you will i i don't think he will ever be a pass rush type of a specialist but even if you give me a little bit of that with more regularity if you are a six to eight sack player a year but have a very high run defense floor like you are very valuable to a team and that's why like him being in the early 20s for me I'm wondering if when I fully redo my rankings with a lot of with with all of the film grades and everything kind of thrown in there I wonder if he comes down a little bit but I have him here because there were too many plays that I just went, God, that's sick.

Like the hands just move so fast, so violently, so strong that it's hard for me to put him too much lower than this, right? Like I think about Trayvon Walker and Walker's a little bit different because Walker was bigger. He was just a certified alien when it came to the combine and everything like that but the way that you talked about him was a little bit the same strong as an oxen run defense probably won't ever be a great pass rusher for you I had Walker ranked right around 16 out of his draft class now obviously he goes number one overall I think a lot of people were higher on him but like that's sort of how I saw. I don't quite see Mikel as good as a Trayvon Walker type of a player, but I do think the conversation is similar. So

if Mikel goes in and blows up the combine, then I think that I'll probably keep him around this range no matter what. If he doesn't test well, if he doesn't test explosively, kind of like you said, because we don't see it a lot on tape, then I'll probably bring him down a little bit. So that's sort of my thought process with michael williams and where we're at all right want to do 31 to 40 yep let's do it all right let's rock and roll 31 for me is josh simmons the offensive tackle from ohio state if he gets cleared medically he will be much higher 32 kind of the same story savon revel the corner from ECU, tore his ACL in September. 33, Caleb Johnson, running back Iowa.

34, Derek Harmon, defensive lineman from Oregon. 35, Travion Henderson, running back Ohio State. 36, his teammate, JT Tuimaloa, edge rusher, Ohio State. 37, Elijah Arroyo, tight end Miami. 38, another Ohio State player, Donovan Jackson, who is a guard at the next level uh was a guard in a lot of colleges kind of had to help them out in a pinch at left tackle 39 jayden higgins wide receiver ohio state 40 bull rush mcintyre tj sanders defensive lineman south carolina uh 31

for me i got colson loveland he was a little bit higher in your rankings but i think that we'll probably see him the same jaylenalen Walker for me is at 32. Demetrius Knight, the linebacker from South Carolina is at 33. And I haven't done our full off-ball linebacker evals yet to really stack him up against the rest of the class. But I've watched Jalen Walker. I've watched Carson Schwesinger from UCLA. And I've watched Demetrius Knight and gotten their full evals done. And holy hell is Demetrius Knight fun.

So I got him at 33. I got Trey Amos the cornerback from Ole Miss at 34 uh Saban Revel from from ECU I have him at 35 Donovan as a Raku at 36 a guy I love the edge rusher from Boston College uh Alec Iomainer I still have him in my top 40 I got him at 37 the widest here from Stanford Benjamin Morrison I fully understand that the hip is everything with him right I mean he that the hip is everything with him right I mean he had the hip injury where he missed most of this season um I saw somewhere I can't remember who said this it might have been Dane it might have been DJ or somebody said that he had a

second surgery on his hip now I don't know if that was a second surgery after the first one from this year or if it was like well he's had hip surgery before and then this year's hip surgery means it was his second hip surgery that wasn't clear but if it was a second hip surgery since going out this season not good but I do like the tape when he's out there and he's healthy so I got him at 38 I got Bull Rush McIntyre TJ Sanders um at 39. And then I have Tyleek Williams at number 40. I think some of the ones that stand out, you got Elijah Arroyo at 37. I absolutely love it.

You're a madman and I absolutely love you for it. Where do I have Arroyo? Probably way too low to be honest with you. I have him at 84. So I've got him 84 sort of because of the rest of the guys in the class. But me, sick. He might be somebody that I got to move up on the latest update.

Obviously, you've got him in the top 40. You've got a handful of Ohio State guys here. Just a couple of quick thoughts on all of them. Trayvon Henderson's outside of my top 50. Donovan Jackson is outside of my top 50 as well and then who is the other one oh jt2 him low out where do i have him did he sneak in he's a 48 for me so he's a little bit lower yeah quick run through all these guys travion he just changes the game at any moment with any touch you need to kind of be careful pitch count wise with him you're you're never going to have him be

your you know 30 25 30 touch kind of guy but man it's in the run and pass game how explosive he is to him a low out big stout really good hands love the way he brings it against the run he's got a two-hand swipe he's got to unlock a little bit more as a pass rusher but I think he's such a good edge setter that he could be your number two on your front across from a premier pass rusher. Donovan Jackson, I think the guard tape is phenomenal. When he had to play left tackle, like, yeah, it's not where he should be playing.

There's some struggles in pass pro there, but he's very quick as an outside zone run blocker where he gets his hands up on linebackers right away, and I think that uh he was phenomenal in their run game and then uh yeah that was the all the ohio state guys want to make sure i i got them all in that yep so i think for me the guys that you don't have in there demetrius knight who i talked about i love man i mean he's a he is he is an absolute bow in a china shop like he is all out at all times

he's going to be one of the older prospects in this class um he started his career at um oh god where was it where was that first school where was he before georgia tech he was a georgia tech first yes yes and then he played for four years there really didn't play much he um was actually a dual threat quarterback when he was coming out of quimbing out of high school and his first year there uh as a reserve linebacker he moved over to the linebacker spot played basically as a rotational reserve guy for the next two years jeff collins was released at at uh or he was no longer the head coach in 2022 so then he transferred over to charlotte where he actually got some playing time. He was an animal. He was first team all AAC.

Then he transfers over to South Carolina. And, man, just he's a standout player. He gives you all-out play style, super strong tackler, a big dude who's built for the NFL, 6'2", 248 pounds. That's above the 50th percentile, above the 80th percentile for the linebacker position now. Loves the physical aspects of the game. Can trigger downhill

incredibly quickly uh gives you some decent feel for cover coverage he's he's a pretty fast and explosive athlete for his size the coverage instincts are still growing but man he's going to be great for you as a downhill guy i i love this tape a lot i give him a pretty high uh late first early second round grade so that's how i got him at number 33 trey amos somebody that we're going to talk about yeah when we when we get to the cornerback conversation Donovan is rock who I think wins just in such a savvy way on the edge and I think he's going to be a productive NFL player for a long long time my boy Elikaio Maynard I'm not giving up on him I still think that he is one of the better players in this class a steady dude even though Stanford's passing game wasn't

very good this past season so I think those are the standout guys that I got 30 through four, 31 through 40. Who do you got 41 through 50 to round things out to close this out? 41, Matthew Golden, the wide receiver from Texas, 42, Gray Zabel, the interior offensive lineman at North Dakota state. Didn't play tackle there. 43, Mason Taylor, tight end at LSU. 44, Jack Sawyer, edge rusher, Ohio state. 45, Michael Williams, tight end at LSU. 44, Jack Sawyer, edge rusher, Ohio State. 45, Mike L. Williams, edge rusher, Georgia.

46, Jackson Dart, quarterback, Ole Miss. 47, Alfred Collins, defensive lineman, Texas. 48, Jack Besch, wide receiver, TCU. 49, Shamar Turner, defensive lineman, Texas A&M. 50, Josiah Stewart, the undersized but explosive edge rusher from Michigan. So I think we'll probably round it out with a quarterback conversation. 41, I have Jack Besch in here as well. I've got him at 41.

42, I've got Xavier Watts, the safety from Notre Dame. 43, Landon Jackson, the edge rusher from Arkansas. 44, Prince Leomond Miellon from Ole Miss. The way that you sort of talked about James Pierce Jr. a little bit reminded me a lot of Prince Leomon Miellon, who maybe he's not a three-down player for you, but on those plays where he's pinning his ear back, he's sick.

Jack Sawyer, I have at 45. Do we both have Jack Sawyer at 45? Oh, you got him at 44. So close. Yep. So close. Shamar Turner, I also have him. I'm going to tell him that.

I have him at top 50. I have you at 44. Trevor Sikama has you at 45. Oh, man. That bum. I have to tell him that. I have you at 44. Trevor Sykema has you at 44. That bum. I have Shamar Turner from Texas A&M as well in here. I got him at 46. Shadur Sanders I have here at 47.

JT Toomey below out at 48. Tyler Booker, guard from Alabama, I got at 49. And then I have Alfred Collins from Texas sneaking in here at number 50. So you got Jackson Dart at number, where was he, 46. You had Shadur Sanders at 23. So I'm just lower on the quarterbacks than you are. You had Cam Ward at 8. I have him at 19. You had Shadur Sanders at 23.

I have him at 47. You got Jackson Dart at 46. Where do I have Dart? I have Dart at 46 where do I have Dart I have Dart at where is he uh damn I gotta find this now okay quarterbacks where is Dart I am at 122 right now okay I'm way lower outside of my top 50, obviously outside of my top 100.

Let's talk about these quarterbacks. So is Jackson Dart sort of, now he's your QB3, right? He was your QB3 when we went through the QB episode. He was my QB, I think like 12 or 13. So we're not any different here than we were when we were going over the quarterback episode. But you see Dart as somebody who,

what are you thinking here? Like just the, this is the day to flyer that you take a chance on in this class. Yeah. Once again, like we don't, we've been pretty honest. We don't love this quarterback class,

but if I was going to take a guy on day two, red shirt him for a year and try to develop him, it would be dark. I really like his athleticism. I think that you just can't underrate that over the last two years he's run for 66 first downs I think he throws with really good touch obviously he's been a really productive player a multi-year starter and I think he's also taking care of the football better as the years have gone on I've said before over the last three seasons he cut his fumbles down from

seven to five to three. I, there is inconsistencies that'll just drive you nuts. Like he will miss layups and then he'll make a throw where you're just like, how the hell did you make that throw? Um, he has no experience under center, less than 30 snaps under center.

Like he needs a red shirt year. It, the offense he will be transitioning to will be nothing like the offense that he has been operating for Lane Kiffin. And it, the play speed on the field the processing speed is going to be an adjustment for him I'm not saying he can't do it I don't know if he can do it but I know he has the physical tools to play the position whether it's touch at all three levels of the field as a thrower mobility to pick up first downs with his legs, but I just think the actual speed of the NFL,

like in terms of his awareness and taking sacks, there's some really bad sacks on tape, and that's when things were slow for him. He was playing too slow. That's going to be amplified at the next level early on, so that's why I think he needs time. So I would take him middle to the end of the second round and see what happens.

I'm not on the bandwagon of like this guy is going to sneak into the end of the first round and bet your house on him i think i mean he might be independent of where we have him ranked he might very well my first round he very well might but i i yeah i wouldn't i wouldn't be doing that all right there we go uh those are our top 50s. I read mine, right? I did everything on mine? Yes, you did. Okay, just make it. Because we have the Jack Sawyer, you know.

Yeah, yeah, right, right, right. The great Jack Sawyer. Yeah, I think he's undraftable. You obviously think he's a top five prospect. I have him one spot higher, so I think he should go third overall. Yeah, future Hall of Famer, Gold Jacket. Might as well just get it tailored right now. We would love to hear from you guys.

The conversation that we had here. Gold Jacket Sawyer. That's a good nickname for him. That is not bad's not good but it's not bad we can work on it we can workshop it we would love to hear from you guys as well uh the conversation that we had here with our top 50s uh but also maybe some of the players that we mentioned that we didn't have a little bit of a back and forth about you could fire off some questions in the comments we will be able to answer those uh as best we can some maybe some players that didn't make the top 50 that you're kind of surprised about hey i thought that this guy would be in your top 50 you can obviously see mine all

the way through you know 300 that we've got on the pff big board so guys they're a little bit lower um ask some questions about it we'd love to have some back and forth see how you guys see these prospects best way to do that youtube.com backslash at NFL Stock Exchange. If you're audio only, get us up on Instagram and Twitter as well, at Tampa Bay Trey, at Connor J. Rogers. You can also follow the show on Twitter, Instagram, and TikTok at NFLSEshow. The shipment for the hats, the order has been placed, I should say. So we're still a couple of weeks away from us getting those, but the hats are coming. I've seen a couple of people tweet at us and post some comments about hats. We will let you know when we get the hats in and you guys have a chance to get your hands on those.

Really cool. I think we're really excited. I'm super excited about it. I think they're going to be awesome. Connor got anything else before we get out of here? No, we are back on the grind corner episode soon, which will be a doozy.

We haven't talked about the corners in this draft outside the top guys. So this'll be, uh, it'll be really good for us to finally have this conversation. Very excited to get to that a little bit later in the week for Connor Rogers. I'm Trevor Sikama saying, thank you guys so much for watching and listening to the NFL stock

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