NFL Stock Exchange: An NFL Draft Podcast - 37. Dueling Mock Drafts: Tailgate vs. NFL Stock Exchange

Episode Date: April 18, 2022

PFF's four biggest draft experts battle it out in the mock draft of the century. Tailgate hosts Austin Gayle and Mike Renner take on NFL Stock Exchange's Trevor Sikkema and Connor Rogers as they alternate picks and see who can come away with the better draft. 00:30 - Intro 4:00 - Pick 1 (Jaguars) 8:42 - Pick 2 (Lions) 11:50 - Pick 3 (Texans) 15:50 - Pick 4 (Jets/Saints) 19:15 - Pick 5 (Giants) 21:10 - Pick 6 (Panthers/Vikings) 26:45 - Pick 7 (Giants) 28:15 - Pick 8 (Falcons) 34:00 - Pick 9 (Seahawks) 37:45 - Pick 10 (Jets) 39:00 - Pick 11 (Commanders) 42:10 - Pick 12 (Panthers/Vikings) 47:15 - Pick 13 (Texans) 49:00 - Pick 14 (Ravens) 53:00 - Pick 15 (Eagles) 56:00 - Pick 16 (Jets/Saints) 59:10 - Pick 17 (Chargers) 1:01:20 - Pick 18 (Eagles) 1:05:10 - Pick 19 (Jets/Saints) 1:09:15 - Pick 20 (Steelers) 1:12:50 - Pick 21 (Patriots) 1:16:15 - Pick 22 (Packers) 1:18:30 - Pick 23 (Cardinals) 1:20:45 - Pick 24 (Cowboys) 1:23:10 - Pick 25 (Bills) 1:27:00 - Pick 26 (Titans) 1:29:20 - Pick 27 (Buccaneers) 1:33:25 - Pick 28 (Packers) 1:36:29 - Pick 29 (Chiefs) 1:37:35 - Pick 30 (Chiefs) 1:38:20 - Pick 31 (Bengals) 1:40:00 - Pick 32 (Lions) 1:42:30 - Recap

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I got it this year. It's awesome. Sign up now at youtube.com slash BS, device and content restrictions apply. Local and national games on YouTube TV. NFL Sunday ticket for out-of-market games excludes digital-only games. Welcome to the NFL Stock Exchange podcast. In this episode, we have the first ever dueling mock draft between Tailgate and NFL SC. That's right. Austin Gale and Mike Renner join myself and Connor Rogers as we go

head-to-head with two different mock drafts at the same time. Essentially those two guys, they'll be picking through one mock draft. Connor and I will be picking through another. We'll go back and forth one and one, two and two with some friendly banter in between. And to spice things up, this is not a predictive mock draft. We figured if that was going to be the case, then we probably have a similar mock draft when it was all said and done, but this is a, what we would do mock draft. So as you would expect the picks get very, very different, starting in the top five, all the way from one to 32 gets very interesting.

And since we are hosting them, let's ring the bell. This is a very special live Mock Draft episode with and also against our good friends and also our mortal enemies, Austin Gale and Mike Renner, which we're going to bring in a second. But Connor, me and you going head to head against the tailgate boys on this podcast. Mock Draft for Mock Draft this podcast. Mock draft for mock draft.

Two different mock draft formats, and the chat is going to choose which one they think is the best at the end of it. Are you excited for it? We actually get to work together this time on a mock draft. I can't wait, man. And this is a mock draft of what we would do for once. We're so used to doing what we think teams will do, how the actual draft will shake out.

So this is going to look a lot different than our traditional mock draft Mondays. It's going to be a lot of fun. We're so used to doing what we think teams will do, how the actual draft will shake out. So this is going to look a lot different than our traditional mock draft Mondays. It's going to be a lot of fun. I'm so excited. We're going to try to harness and control the chaos as much as possible because it's two mock drafts going to be going up against each other. Connor and I will be collaborating on one side, and then Austin and Mike are going to be collaborating on the other. Let's get them in here.

Let's bring them in because we got to do some pre-mock smack talk before we get to this. Austin, Mike, can you guys hear us? Absolutely. Thanks for having us on, guys. Thanks for having us. Listen to this guy. I know. He's trying to be nice.

It's just an honor to be here. As if we're not about to go to battle on this mock draft field to the last pick. Okay, maybe that's way too dramatic. I do appreciate you guys popping on. I've been in you guys' comment sections and in your YouTube videos and, of course, ours as well. And so many people have been asking for this collaboration,

and I feel like this is a great way to make it happen. So I appreciate it, fellas. You got to feed the people. Got to give them what they want. I do think we're going to come away with the dub. I think we're going to come away with the crowd favorite dub, but I don't know. We'll see. We'll see. We will see. Okay. All right. Okay. I hear you. Before we get kicked off, I got to remind people about our presenting sponsor. It's our friends over at Jock Market. That's Jock MKT. This is

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with who they're going to select number one overall. Remember, guys, this is a what we would do mock draft. So a little bit more scouting than necessarily predicting. Who would you guys be taking number one? You get the floor. I'll start first. I think this one's obvious. What we would do, we would be taking PFF's number one overall player

in the class at number one overall aiden hutchinson the michigan defensive end that's maybe not what bulky will do this isn't what would bulky do this is what mike and myself would do aiden hutchinson obviously worked with him on the podcast hutch check it out wherever you get your podcast but i do think through the interview process the athletic testing the measurables the production he just checks every single box and jim harbaugh his coach i think says best. When you look at his profile, character, highest level, work ethic, highest level, measurables, highest level, athletic testing, highest level, production, all this stuff, it just mitigates so much risk.

And when you talk to a lot of evaluators in the league, working with Steve Palazzolo, who is, in addition to an analyst here at PFF, does a lot for teams on the team side of things at PFF, he says, every evaluator I talk to looks to go into the draft and eliminate risk. Aiden has such little risk in this class. And through the interviews that I've done with him and other people, obviously people close to him, I think the biggest thing I learned, right, is I don't think you can come out of an interview process with a prospect

and say, oh, man, through this interview, he's going to be a Hall of Famer. Give him his gold jacket. But what you do find out in that interview process are traits that last, and traits for guys that last in the NFL. And when he gets comparisons to guys like Jared Allen, Chris Long, who are maybe never a Miles Garrett or Khalil Mack in their elitist, they lasted in the NFL for a long time and produced for a long time. I think from a production standpoint,

that's what I see in Aiden Hutchinson in five, ten years. And I ultimately do think he's the number one player in this draft draft and the Jags would be smart to lean into where the betting odds now minus 200, Aiden Hutchinson, number one overall. Yeah, that was a lot of anything, dad. Go ahead. I know. I was, I was just going to say, Mike, do you have any other thoughts before we move on to ours? That was, he said it all. He did it. Wow. Wow. That's a, that's a, that's a perfect, you love to see it. That's a perfectly smashed retweet right there okay so connor are we gonna be any different here or are we gonna stay the same we're gonna get spicy what are we gonna do here at number one no we're gonna we're gonna pour a little paprika in this right now i mean come on we're not going to austin took aiden

hutchinson to promote his pod i totally stop stop, come on. Yeah, listen to the hutch pod. It was like the eighth word on the breakdown. No, I totally get it. I do think he'll be the number one overall pick. I would have no problem with Jacksonville doing that. You're going Walker, aren't you? But hell to the no. Sir. Sir. Come on.

Trevor, if we're sticking edge pass rush here, let's ask that first. Are we sticking with edge pass rush here? I think we have to because as much as this is kind of like uh what we would do and i love the tackle class and i'd love to upgrade the offensive line in jacksonville that's just not what their plan was throughout free agency so i think we do have to stick with edge here yeah i would say if they went offensive line i think he's the best player in the class but we are going to stick edge here man i would i would roll a cave on tibideau and i think do it baby i think he's the best player in the class, but we are going to stick edge here. Man, I would roll with Kayvon Thibodeau. Let's do it, baby! I think it's close, but I would roll with Kayvon Thibodeau. I agree with what Austin said. There's definitely,

you're limiting risk when you take Aiden Hutchinson. There's a little more risk with Kayvon Thibodeau, but I would bet on the explosive nature, him expanding that pass rush toolbox a little bit more, and for Jacksonville to get a guy that can be a consistent double digit sack presence across from Josh Allen with KT. I like Kayvon Thibodeau a lot, man. I love what he brings to the position. And look, I guess there are some people out there who are worried about how confident this dude is as long as he's sacking the quarterback, which I know he can do double digit times, many years gut running. I'm okay with that. I'm okay if he's confident in himself. So i didn't

think it was that big of a problem when i was listening to him at the combine obviously it was a small sample size so teams are going to think what they will about the man but i love the skill set i love what he could bring to the position i think he could rush from different point stances and i think he would be a great home run potential kind of a pick here at number one overall in a draft that we talk about not having that top end talent cave on tibido is one of those guys that can hit the highest ceiling in this class we we're going kt at number one i love this pick connor which means we are back to the boys of tailgate for number two in the detroit lions what i'll say about before we get into number two what i'll say about cave on tibido

is i do think that the gap that the media has created or media consensus has created between aiden hutchinson cave on tibido is way too wide like i do has created between Aiden Hutchinson and Kayvon Thibodeau is way too wide. Like I do, I do think Kayvon Thibodeau, Trayvon Walker, potentially, and Aiden Hutchinson should all be in the conversation for the Jacksonville Jaguars at number one overall. There isn't as significant of a gap as it's kind of being portrayed in betting odds and all that stuff. And between, from a skillset perspective. So I don't think the Kayvon Thibodeau pick is outlandish as maybe betting odds would suggest, right? Because right now it's minus 200 that Aiden Hutchinson is the number one overall pick. Trayvon Walker plus 200.

And I think Kayvon might be in the plus 1000. It's like they're not seeing that would be out of left field from a betting odds perspective. But I don't think it should be. I'm a big Kayvon Thibodeau fan. I think Kayvon Thibodeau should 100% be in consideration for the Jags at number one overall. But I will say this. I would take Aiden over Kayvon Thibodeau. Now here at number two overall, I'm starting to think Thibodeau.

I think Thibodeau here at number two is where I lean. I don't like them going quarterback Malik Willis, Kenny Pickett at number two overall. I'm going pass rusher. I'm going Thibodeau or Walker at number two. What's your thought? I would go Sauce Gardner personally. I think they have good enough pass rushing group. They've paid that position.

I think Kayvon Thibodeau is far more of a project than i would want with a number two overall pick um where a sauce gardener slots in immediately and gives you probably the you know two very long physical corners on the outside when jeffrey acuti comes back along with amani orare so it gives you options defensively that's where i'd go um like i said the the difference between cave on t Thibodeau, Trayvon Walker, two athletic projects, and what I can get at the back end of the first round isn't enough for me to go that position there. So I get that you just kind of, I don't want to say whiffed at cornerback, but you just had a cornerback kind of be a dud out the gate in Jeffrey Okuda,

even if he was better in year two before he tore his Achilles. That's where I'd lean. I'll say this. I took the first pick. Maybe I'll give you the second one. You want Ahmad Gardner, take him. Because I do agree that, you know, I think Ahmad Gardner is less of a project than, say, a Thibodeau or a Walker.

But I'm bigger on Walker and Thibodeau specifically playing that edge rusher position. But if you want to go Gardner at two, take him. Let's go Gardner. All right. So they're going Sauce Gardner at number two. So it's Aiden Hutchinson at one and then Sauce Gardner at number two. Connor, I think this one's easy for us with Aiden Hutchinson still on the board. I think Dan Campbell himself would put on his sprinter shoes and sprint up to the podium to throw this card in for Aiden Hutchinson. It just feels like if, if there is

any chance that he doesn't go number one overall to the Jacksonville Jaguars, it feels about as close to 99.9% that he would be the next pick for Detroit. So I would go with Aiden Hutchinson here for Detroit. Do you have anybody else you want to throw in the hat? No, let's roll with Hutchinson. I think it's a great fit for him to stay in Michigan there. I think he'd be an impact player on that defensive line, and I'm good with that. I just like the value of pass rusher in this spot. And Hutchinson's not going to fall much further than the top two picks.

That duo of Sauce Garner and Jeffrey Okuda is pretty spicy. I do like it. I mean, that is, I've had conversations with a lot of people who was like, okay, we see teams loading up on wide receiver, right? We see this all around the NFL, whether it's a free agency or the draft or whatever it is, they're not just getting one stud receiver at the top. They're getting two, they're getting three,

they're getting four. And I think you're going to see defenses really start to stack these super talented corners as well. So man, that would be one hell of a young duo if Jeffrey Okuda can come back and be fully healthy, continue to get better along with Sauce Garner on the other side. So not where we went, but intrigued by it.

All right, y'all are up at number three. No concerns with Aiden Hutchinson, who I did podcast with. I don't know if Connor knows that. But no concerns with him going at number two overall to the Detroit Lions. I think they are a sprint the card in situation, obviously, with the Detroit-Michigan connections. At number three, if you look at PFF's mock draft simulator, you have every position as a need for the Houston Texans.

They can't go wrong here. But I'm going to kick this one to you. I'm not letting us draft a non-offensive tackle, non-pass rusher here. I'm sorry. I don't care how much you like Derek Stingley, Mike, or Kyle Hamilton. You can go screw yourself. They have to go edge or pass rush. You could take Kayvon here or Charles Cross or Ike Ikuonu, Evan Neal. I don't think we can go any other way.

I'd lean Evan Neal here purely because he's played right tackle. I mean, you have Laramie Tunsell, and I think the tackles are close enough on the board and close enough as prospects that I don't want to flip a Charles Cross, Ike Ikuonu. I'd rather have a guy – I mean, obviously, Evan Neal played left tackle last year, but he's played right tackle in the past.

I don't want to reteach a guy how to play the right tackle position if that's where I'm drafted for. So I'd lean Evan Neal. I don't know about reteach a guy how to play the right tackle position if that's where I'm drafted for. So I'd lean Evan Neal. I don't know about you, but that's where my head's at. Let's do it. Evan Neal at number three overall to the Houston Texans. I am on board with that. I'm glad we did not go a non-value position here. Man, I think the versatility of Evan Neal, I got to say, is getting underrated when you talk about these offensive tackles, right? Everybody talks about Icky Aquanium. You go, okay, well, he's the bru these offensive tackles, right? Everybody talks about Icky Aquan and you go, okay, well, he's the bruising run blocker, right?

You talk about Charles Cross. So he's fantastic in pass protection. And then people just mention, okay, well, Evan Neal is a good blend of both, which is not an insult, but also I feel like it gets slept on that. This dude has played multiple positions, played and started in multiple positions at offensive tackle and on the interior. So, like, all of that, I think, goes into how well-rounded he is.

Connor, if I thought I knew you well, which I think I do, I would say that we're going offensive tackle still at this spot, but not Evan Neal, probably a different one, huh? Yeah, I would lean a corner here, although I really like their thought process, right? It does matter that we've seen Evan Neal play right tackle we've seen him do it at a high enough level that he can come in there's not that transition I know cross has been working out at right tackle because he knew so many teams like the New York Giants would request that my argument for a quantum in this spot is he's such an impact run blocker and I just like his balance a little bit better than

Evan Neal this was a team that could not run the football last year. It was honestly abysmal. And if you're rolling out there with Davis Mills, which I have no problem with after the flashes we saw last year, you got to help the guy out. You got to be able to, you don't have to be a top 10 run team. You don't have to be top 15. You cannot be bottom five in the league. It will not work. He will not develop. You will not survive. You'll not learn anything. I roll with Aquanu. I think I do agree with them. The gap is not colossal. I have Aquanu as the best player in this draft. Evan Neal is the fourth best player in this draft. It's a great tackle draft and it starts with those two at the top, but I would roll with Aquanu and I think he kind of fits what Nick Casario would look coming from New England. Yeah, I agree with you. I like the thought process with Evan Neal, but I am higher

on a quantity as well. And so as long as they are comfortable with him playing right tackle now, we haven't put him on the field and tried that out at all because he's mainly played left tackle. So especially as of late, I'm going to stick with the equine. I think that that's probably the right pick for us. We got to trust our boards in this one. So same position for both of us, but one's Evan Neal, and we're going to stick with Iggy Aquanu as the first offensive tackle off the board. So that means number four, New York Jets. We got a resident New York Jets expert in the house, fellas.

So all I'm saying is don't blow it here. That's high pressure here. High pressure. One thing I wanted to add on Aquananu, since PFF's been doing great, grading college football, the three highest graded seasons among run blockers since 2014. Number one is Ike Aquanu last year. Number two is Pene Sewell two years ago.

And number three is Ike Aquanu in 2020. He is a dominant, dominant run blocker. I also think what gets undervalued, too, just because Charles Cross played in such a pass-heavy offense, his run blocking, I think, gets underappreciated. He also has a really high percentage of positively graded run blocks in PFF system. He just doesn't run block a ton in that Mike

Leach offense there at Mississippi State. Here at number four overall, Mike, I want to bang the table a little bit for Kayvon. I want to bang the table a little bit for Kayvon Thibodeau. I think it's a perfect landing spot for him in that defense. They need a pass rusher opposite of Carl Lawson, who's obviously coming off a monster injury. And I think Robert Saul on that coaching staff is perfect

for any of the concerns with Thibodeau's character, whatever that is. I think Thibodeau is a phenomenal football player. The fact that he's even available here at four is a sprint the card in situation. And now I do think that Jets fans would want to see Cross or Aquanu or since we had Evan Neal go to the Houston Texans at three they want someone opposite of Mekhi Becton and there's

a lot of injury risk or injury concern with Mekhi Becton how he's recovered from that stuff I say nay I think Kayvon Thibodeau is the pick all right yep lock it in Kayvon Thibodeau at number four overall I don't know what the resident Jets fans think but I think that is that is the money pick for me well I'll say right now i like your pick better than whatever we can do because our board's all dried up so it's wait wait wait do we want to trade can we trade we do whatever we want right it's our podcast and i would i would sell this pick in an instant this is the worst case scenario for the new york jets okay do we have anybody that would move up we don't want to take too much time here, but is anybody going to move up for anything?

That's the trouble. It would have to be somebody trying to jump either the Giants who are going to take Evan Neal in our spot. If we wanted the – I mean, the Saints would. The Saints are the one. Yeah, they're the one. Do we want to do that? Saints pop up the four?

Go get an offensive tackle? So we're going to get 16 and 19 in the swap, right? Yeah. Yeah. Screw it. Let's ride. Making a trade? Making a trade?

Let's ride. Okay. All right. We're making a trade. We're making a trade here. Ask for a little more. It looks like they might accept a little more. Get a third on there.

Can we squeeze something out of it? Squeeze a future second or something. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Everyone's freaking out. Her sister was a witch no okay

i'm looking up what reference is that do you not know that come on are you serious i don't know that i don't know that one i don't know either no one knows it and you guys are way more online you guys need to be yeah we are can you get a future third from them easily a 23 third there i like that let's try and push that through all right are they are they working on it i'm looking at a different screen it's green lit right yeah you lit you got it i mean come on absolutely love to see that joe douglas look consulting the dms are open if you ever just you know i'm just saying if you ever just want to shout out the man that finessed the Seahawks in a Jamal Adams trade. So who does it again?

We going with Evan Neal? Evan Neal to the Saints. I think it's got to be Evan Neal. I think it does have to be Evan Neal. All right, so Evan Neal forward to the Saints. That is a savvy move to get the Jets out of a horrible spot we put them in. Let's go. That is vintage Mickey Loomis, if anything, though.

It is. If Mickey Loomis likes Evan Neal, he'll do it. It truthfully makes no sense for the Saints whatsoever. But Mickey will do it. They will do it. They will do it, yeah. That's James. The only reason they made that trade is because Connor's a Jets fan

and needed to get the Jets in. They're just forcing Mickey Loomis' hand. I would not be shocked if they do something like this. I'm not saying with the Jets, but I would not be shocked to see the Saints go up for a tackle at all i didn't i didn't say okay all right hold up the chat is out here defending my honor with the internet video reference okay i've never nailed that gets it thank you thank you thank you thank you all right so we back up the bat here at the new york giants so right so to recap we have aiden at one of the Jags, Ahmad Gardner at two to the Detroit Lions,

Evan Neal of the Texans at three, and then Kayvon Thibodeau at four. Giants are probably looking at cross or aquanu. Got to be. And I think we go aquanu here. Oh, I was going to say cross. You want to go cross or aquanu? I mean, you need pass protection first and foremost.

I get that you would love for Saquon Barkley to work out, get healthy and run behind a good offensive line and run blocking. Sure. But you'd also love for Daniel Jones to work. Yeah. I guess I think if I'm highlighting a quantum, it's more what I think will happen. But Cross is my OT one in this class too.

So I think we go Cross. Let's just go Cross. Yeah. Charles Cross, Mississippi State to the New York Giants. We did not force Mickey Loomis' hand in a trade. We instead played it realistically and took Charles Cross at five. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

Realistically, realistically, the Saints would do something aggressive and crazy. So you need to use a different adjective right there, my friend. And she was a witch. Is Davenport going to come up again? Crazy. All right, we might have our first repeat here right trev i mean i think it

should be insanity for the giants to not take charles cross at five here and it makes sense for them right especially if you are looking at a drought an overall draft plan if you will because if you take the offensive tackle here you eliminate the threat of carolina potentially taking an offensive tackle right after you before you pick again at seven um I don't think you need to take an edge rusher I've run a lot of simulations for the Giants and I feel like there's a lot of value to be had either at the back end of the first round to trade back up or at the beginning of the second round to be able to go get an edge rusher which is not always the case every year so I think that offensive tackle makes sense here and and if you're okay with it I'm okay with the repeat yeah I think we roll across there's just there's no other pick that you can really defend in this

nature especially with carolina coming up on the clock at six all right there we go uh charles cross once again number five overall to the new york giants now you guys are back up carolina love the repeat copycat league it seems let's go to the carolina panthers i want to trade back here can we check if we got any options to trade back? I'd like to come They only have one pick in the top 130. Looks like we got some trade options potentially. I'd love going back down to 13. If we could pick up that 13 from Houston, let them come up

a little bit for whatever they fancy. I feel like anyone coming up here, it would be for Ike Aquano. Last kind of OT left on the board. And we already have Houston. Houston already took Evan Neal in this situation. So who's the other trade partner potentially? What team would make sense wanting an offensive tackle?

Looks like the Buffalo Bills want to come up. Tennessee Titans might want to come up. What are we thinking here, Mike? Can we fleece the Bengals real quick, the hometown? I mean, should we fleece the Saints here? No, but we have to look at the board. The board is telling us which teams are interested. You can't force people's hand.

When I go to trade, it says the Saints are interested. Well, you're on a different board than we are, my guy. You need to wake up. Who do we want to fleece here? Bills, Titans, or Bengals? No one's going to come up this far from that. All right, so maybe we stay put and pick. I think we just stay put.

And draft Icky Aquana. All right, Icky Aquana, the Carolina Panthers. Icky, we've talked about a thousand times, of the best run blocking offensive tackles in the class and Carolina as bad as they need quarterback their offensive line is one of the worst in the NFL and I think you're better off in my opinion you're better off drafting Icky Aquano here I think best case scenario is they trade back because they need players they need more talent if they have to stay put at six getting Icky Aquano at six I think would be a slam dunk. And then maybe trading a late-day three pick for Baker Mayfield. Like if you're actually looking to upgrade the quarterback position over Sam Darnold,

I'd much rather do that than hitch my entire wagon to Kenny Pickett in this scenario or even a Malik Willis in this scenario. I think that would be short-term decision-making from a coaching staff and obviously a front office that might be sitting on something fiery. But I like at six getting Ike Iquano. And then maybe later in the draft, we take Baker Mayfield with a six round or something. Don't hate it. Connor, what are we doing here at six?

This is dire. I just can't get a training camp of Baker Mayfield and Sam Darnold. We need that. We don't ask for a lot. We need that. I need, I need it. I feel like we do ask for a lot, actually. Six for Caroline. We don't ask for a lot, but I feel like we do ask for a lot. We need that. I need. I need it. I feel like we do ask for a lot, actually.

Six for Carolina. We don't ask for a lot, but I feel like we do ask for a lot. In our mock draft, Trevor, we just had Icky, Neal, and Cross go back to back to back. Screwed, my guy. So, Carolina, if it's not quarterback, the question is what and how at six. Because there is no chance in hell I'm taking Trevor Penning in the top ten. No chance in hell. That would be whatning in the top 10. No chance in hell. That would be what they do, though, if this happens.

If we were trying to predict what Fitterer would do. Without even knowing any other pick. I think they're picking a quarterback, but I wouldn't pick a quarterback at six. I wouldn't either. That's the great debate that we have going on here. Man, if you're Carolina, you have to just hammer some tradeback option. Is there anything that we can make that would make sense?

Even then, moving back to nine. We're not going to do this every time we get in a jam, but this is one where this is a disaster. Who else do they pick at this point? It's a disaster for them. Is anybody moving up for a quarterback? Probably not. Yeah, who would come up in this spot?

Well, somebody would come up in our mock, Trevor, to jump the Giants for sauce. That's what it would have to be. Who's doing that? Minnesota? Minnesota. Yeah, maybe Minnesota. Minnesota for sure.

I don't hate it. Do you have sauce as CB1 or do you have Stingley as CB1? I have Sauce. I know you have Stingley. So there's going to be a little bit of a... I just want them to get out of the pick. I don't even care who comes up. Okay, let's go Minnesota here.

Let's trade with Minnesota. Minnesota's trading up for number 12. Let's make sure that they have the picks here. I'm running through this myself. Minnesota Vikings. What picks do they have the picks here. I'm running through this myself. Minnesota Vikings. What picks do they have? Okay, they got 12, 6. I think you're going to need to get 12 and maybe a future second.

See what that looks like. We got to make up 400 points here. Yeah, so that would be looking at pretty close to what Austin said, I believe. What did Austin say? I wasn't listening. You're looking at a future second. It doesn't look like Minnesota's interested, though though you might have to force that trade guys cheat the system good power dude it's our podcast you do whatever we want all right we're giving up a future no it's carolina they need something this year because

they're all fired if they don't all right all right here we go all right here we go here's what they're doing 12 46 and then caroline has given up six 137 and 144 wow okay dealing it gets the second rounder they sent for sam darnold back. Love that. Right. Right. And that's 137. 137 and 144 would be not very good in the chart. Yeah. Yeah. It's like 70 total points. We're good here. We're good here. We're making it happen.

Force it. Force it. Force it. Force the trade. So Minnesota. I think they should pick Stingley. Okay. I think they should pick Stingley.

You're buying the upside for Stingley. If you make this move, you're all in on the upside. The upside that we saw in 2019 is a true freshman. Yes, I am. I'm there on him. So I would be taking Derek Stingley here. Can I have this one? You can have it.

Absolutely. Okay. All right. Thanks, Dad. Appreciate you. All right. We're going to go with Derek Stingley Jr. to the Minnesota Vikings at number six.

That puts you guys back on the clock at number seven. Number seven. So we had the New York Giants taking Charles Cross at five, which I do love for the New York Giants. Now I'm honestly leaning Derek Stingley here as well. I like Derek Stingley at seven to the New York Giants if you want to lock it in. Derek Stingley going to the New York Giants,

not the Minnesota Vikings. They don't have to trade up. Giants take him at seven. Yeah, Bradbury's not going to be there that long. I mean, with that contract, they're looking to get out from that already this offseason, but no takers. So TBD on how long he'll be there. You're not in a position where, truthfully, you can really –

besides getting past – once you've got past section Daniel Jones with that fifth overall pick, there's not like a single other position on this roster where I'm really like haggling over need you're not in a position to do that as a roster so best player all right what do we think Connor oh no brainer the draft it's got to be sauce Gardner I think this is a scheme fit dream for the Giants under Wink Martindale Mike kind of highlighted it there we don't know how long James Bradbury is going to be there because of the money situation. Your other corners at Dory Jackson,

a terrible contract by Dave Gettleman. You need guys that are going to be there for the next five years that are cornerstones in a scheme that looks at corner as a cornerstone. So I'm rolling with sauce all the way on this spot. I'm with you. Hey, you let me take the last pick. I'll let you take this one. Plus, it makes plenty of sense.

I think you laid it out well there. So that puts the Falcons up at number eight. Back to y'all. I don't hate for the Falcons here because it's a team that's honestly so far away from being competitive, not just at the quarterback position, but any position group on defense too,

that I wouldn't mind exploring who's interested in coming up to get ahead of Seattle. And in our draft right now, no quarterbacks are off the board, right? And Seattle could be in a position where they're looking at Malik Willis or Kenny Pickett in this spot, especially with Charles Cross already off the board. Who's interested, Mike?

I don't want to force trades and cheat the system to create a good mock draft. I actually want to play the field a little bit. Philly potentially looking to come up for a QB maybe here? Do we get Philly? I don't know who would come up. You don't know who would come up? Maybe Washington? Washington looking to jump up for a QB maybe here? Do we get Philly? I don't know who would come up. You don't know who would come up? Maybe Washington? Washington looking to jump up for a QB?

What player is really in demand right now, would you say? I mean, Trayvon Walker is slipping versus where he's getting hyped to go. But, like, is anyone really? If Falcons, they put it here, I think you have to go maybe Walker here or one of the receivers. Yeah. I would lean Jamison Williams here at number eight. Or I can see Trayvon Walker with where the Falcons are as franchise betting on hitting it big.

Yeah. If we don't want to trade back, if we're uninterested in even exploring it as an option as a collective GM. Well, here's the thing. We're drafting for everyone. So we're everyone's GM. True. We don't want to, like, fleece ourselves.

Yeah. That's where Trevor screwed up. That makes sense. Okay, let's look at number eight then. I like Walker. No, I think I like Williams over Walker. How do I fleece myself? I will go Jameson Williams if you're down.

Yeah. Jameson Williams, Alabama receiver, going to the Atlanta Falcons at eight, helping them ideally move away from being the 32nd-ranked receiving core in the NFL, bringing in some speed. I've said this before. If Williams doesn't get hurt in the national championship, I think he's the wide receiver one across the board. I think more media is jumping on him as the wide receiver one. He's the best mover in this class. He's got the best speed in this class. And I still think he's got a lot of untapped potential, obviously with only one year of like legitimate target hall type of experience in the Alabama offense. Jamison Williams, wide

receiver one. I would also encourage you to bet Jamison Williams, first receiver off the board. I think that's plus money right now in multiple books. A lot of people leaning Wilson or London. I think there's a good chance Williams comes off the board first. I like him at A to Atlanta. How did I fleece myself? What do you mean?

You're fleecing yourself with every comment. The Minnesota Vikings went up and got a corner that they desperately needed and Carolina gets out. I'm a GM of both teams. I'm making everybody happy. Trevor, they're distracting you. We've got to lock in on them. Are we thinking first wide receiver off the board here,

or are we just going BPA and looking at a Kyle Hamilton kind of pick? So I would either have a wide receiver here or follow me, George Karloftis. That would be my argument there. I like George Karloftis a lot. I think he's a lot better than what we're seeing in national mocks right now and where he's going more in the back half of the first round.

And he's more a first half of the first round player. So I would be going either George Karloff this or a wide receiver. What do you think? I would lean the wide receiver just off of the talent overall and just it's a desperate need. I look at it. I'd be comfortable with either Garrett Wilson or Drake London here if we didn't repeat pick the Jamison Williams selection.

I mean, and they need guys. I know they're not thinking they're going to win a lot this year, but man, how do you go into camp with that wide receiver trio and expect to do anything at this point? I look at Garrett Wilson's floor and I'd be really, really comfortable with that. I don't know where you stand on him overall as a player, but I think he would be able to come in and fill the hole left by Calvin Ridley and maybe even offer you a little bit more after the catch right away. So for Atlanta at eight, I would be comfortable going either Jamison Williams or I guess Garrett Wilson as well.

I would throw in Olave too. That's just personally how much I like him. But it seems like Garrett Wilson is the common denominator. I know. Is he still your wide receiver one? Yeah, he is. And I think he is the highest floor. Okay.

Then let's go with Garrett Wilson. We can go with Garrett Wilson today. We can make that happen there. So a wide receiver pick for both Atlanta selections, but a little bit different. Jameson Williams for them, Garrett Wilson for us. I don't hate it. I don't hate it.

I think going receiver for the Atlanta Falcons, I think is a smart pick. And I do think though, I do think if we were picking for what I think they would do in our scenario, I think they would have gotten Walker. I don't think Walker's falling this far in any realistic scenario, but I think PFF as a whole is going to be a lot lower on Walker than the consensus, or especially where the league is on Walker.

You have Trent Bulkey considering Trayvon Walker at number one overall right now, and that would not be even in the conversation for us here. At number nine, a lot of me wants to consider QB. A lot of me wants to consider Malik Willis or Kenny Pickett for the Seattle Seahawks. And I know we're not super high on this quarterback class, but they're bereft of talent at that position. The only part of me that's kind of leaning no, and we've talked about this before on our podcast,

is that Pete Carroll's the oldest coach in the NFL. And if he's not there for the long haul, right? I don't know how much longer he's wanting to coach in Seattle. If he's not in there for the long haul, you don't know how much longer he's wanting to coach in seattle he's not in there for the long haul you don't want malik willis and this quarterback going through like multiple coaching staffs of development like so early in his career now if the front office is committed to pete and pete's committed to seattle for the next like three to five years maybe they do reset the position but i don't think it's i think they're much more interested in having a veteran under center than they are like completely resetting with a rookie so i wouldn't be surprised

if maybe they pass on quarterback here. Where are you leaning for Seattle? Yeah, I don't like quarterback. This is a bad team. They're going to be bad next year, whoever, if they draft quarterback here or if they don't, which means they'll be in the quarterback class next year also. And as we've said, quarterback class next year,

not that it is already definitely better, but it's going to be hard to be this bad. This is the worst one we've seen on record, eight years of doing college grading. So your odds of getting one next year just seem higher, just from that perspective. So I just try to find talent on this roster wherever you can find it, whether that's edge, you know, valuable position. So edge, corner, probably leading edge.

I think this could be where Trayvon Walker comes off the board, honestly. Let's do it. I like Trayvon Walker off the board. Because they have time to develop a guy like that. I like Trayvon Walker comes off the board, honestly. Let's do it. I like Trayvon Walker off the board. Because they have time to develop a guy like that. I like Trayvon Walker off the board here at nine, even though Carl Loftus I have ranked ahead of Trayvon Walker, and he's still available here. I do think you're betting on the freakier traits.

I'm in on developing Trayvon Walker in Seattle. What do we think, Connor? Which way are you leaning? Well, the tackle board just broke terribly for them. Oh, yeah yeah it's bad for him it just and that's such a need since Dwayne Brown's not back there I'm not going near quarterback in this spot for them I wouldn't either yeah I agree with everything they said there I totally understand the Trayvon Walker pick this is for me where his you know eight or

nine is where it starts for him on our board we know he's going earlier than that but that's where I think it starts to make a lot of sense. Trying to avoid repeat picks. They're paying two safeties, so it's not Kyle Hamilton in this scenario. Maybe a smidge early for Trent McDuffie, which is a shame because he's a nice player, but just a smidge early. Do you think it's early or do you think it's early of

where he's going to be picked? Because I like Trent McDuffie a lot, man. I have him 15th overall. You get to keep him in state there. Seattle. You love to see him. Where do you have Karloftis? It's going to get a little uglier on that one. I have him 29th. Okay. Alright, so

you're lower on him. Then I'm okay with... Oh, wait. How high are you on Jermaine Johnson? Very high. He's in my top 10. That would be the pick. I almost forgot about him because he's so low on the simulator.

I know. We hate you. He's 26 down here. I'm not a big Jermaine Johnson guy. I know, Austin. Your chart gets tweeted to me every 30 seconds. Thank you for my mentions last week of Jermaine Johnson not winning on two and a half

seconds. I don't know what to tell you. I wake up every day and that's the first thing on my phone. What about this? And I'm just like, I know. I've seen it.

I'm cool with Jermaine Johnson. You want to go Jermaine Johnson? Yeah, I love that pick for Seattle. Massive reach, but it's fine. They'll value that 10-yard split for him a lot. Massive reach. Hold up. Trayvon Walker just got picked nine by y'all. Where is he on the PFF metrics right there?

I really appreciated Austin saying, Trayvon Walker not in the conversation at the top of this draft, and then he spun around and goes, but pick eight. Oh, man, do I got a guy for you? I think it's tough to be more candid about the Trayvon Walker conversation. I agree with everything you said about him. You're low on him as a production was there, and so much of his role is projection.

But you can't ignore how important athletic testing is to like actual edge talent i mean like when you talk to eric eager data scientist here at pff some of the most translatable traits from college the nfl is for specifically for edge is 10 yard split arm length and a lot of that stuff that he has so i do think that you're betting on like that panning out more than maybe production obviously picking him at nine but i still think he's a lot to go inside the top three like the league is gonna be so much much higher on Walker than where PFFC is. And Walker didn't have to transfer from Georgia to play. Yeah, true.

Jermaine Johnson did because he couldn't get ahead of Walker because he's so – no. Number 10. Number 10. That was actually good. I got to tip the cap. The number 10 – I got to tell Jermaine to do a pod with you guys.

He's not going to like that. Number 10, New York Jets. I like receiver here. Drake London or Garrett Wilson. If we're not gonna go that direction, I don't know. Maybe you consider... Because we already

gave them Kavon Thibodeau. I know you're high on Bernard Ryman. You're not taking Ryman over London or Wilson. I would lean London for them just i think that's what they need in that offense let's do it i like london drink london the usc wide receiver now complimenting elijah moore and giving zach wilson hopefully fewer excuses to perform well in the big apple boom probably hard not to repeat pick this one right i just think yeah i was i was gonna say the only one that would really tempt me here from this one is jameson williams if you believe if you believe that his speed element would be more valuable to what the jets want um obviously they were very in on tyree kill

shoot who wouldn't have been in on tyree kill right when he became available but i was gonna leave this one up to you it was probably gonna be a receiver either way drake london or jameson will Williams, I'm okay with either. But you being the resident Jets guy, I was going to leave you to make this one. I think it's a great conversation, too. You really can't go wrong with either one. It's just a matter of, you know, what kind of skill set you need. They need an above-the-rim target.

They were abysmal in contested catches last year. Zach Wilson needs that kind of help. We know that. We've seen his style of play. I would roll with Drake London probably here at 10, although Jamison Williams, there's a very enticing argument for it. We're going to have another repeat pick in this spot with Drake.

All right, we're going with Drake London. Copycat League. It's a copycat league. This is where, Mike, I honestly feel most interested in going after Kyle Hamilton. I think Kyle Hamilton has fallen too far. I think 11 is league this is where mike i honestly feel most interested in going after kyle hamilton i think kyle hamilton has fall fallen too far i think 11 is feels like a good floor for him i also feel like 13 is probably the next like maybe if i think 13 is the absolute floor for kyle hamilton the

actual draft but i think 11 is where i start to feel comfortable taking him and considering the positional value if i'm not taking hamilton at 11, if I'm Washington, maybe you're considering corner Trent McDuffie, could consider receiver Garrett Wilson. It's one of those three for me. I agree with Kyle Hamilton. I think he's the picker. Kyle Hamilton, safety Notre Dame, going to the Washington Commanders here.

I just want to say before we dig into this 11 pick, I see the chat really hating on the Drake London pick over Jameson Williams. And, you know, I said this on Twitter, guys. Drake London didn't run his 40 because he didn't want the rest of the class to feel bad. You know, he was going to run so fast that it was all of a sudden, you know, the conversations of, oh, there's so many wide receivers to love in this class.

Then, I mean, it would have been all about Drake London. And he's not a selfish guy. You know, he wants to shine the light on other people. And so that's why he didn't run the 40. He just thought that he was going to run way too fast. And he was going to ruin the fun for everybody. So, look, a real leader, I think that that's what – you need a selfless guy in the locker room.

So I think that he was definitely uplifting his draft mates there. So you really do love to see it. So that's why I agree with the Drake one. Selfless guy. Selfless guy. All right, where are we going at number 11, Connor? What do you think? I mean, ideally, it's Hamilton, but I don't want to repeat pick again.

It's just not in our DNA here. So let's go a little bit different. Let's look at the wide receivers here, Trevor, and find somebody to pair with Terry McLaurin. I mean, Jamison's there. If they could be a little patient with the rehab, right? And I like the speed element in that offense. You do have a Lave.

I know you're really high on him. I think those are the two guys it would be down to unless they're looking for a little bit more of a physical nature from Traylon Burks. So I would probably lean Jamison Williams in this spot for them. I think so, too. I think I'm leaning there as well. We're looking at their needs. There's some interior offensive line needs but a little early it is a little

early although i i wouldn't be shocked if zion johnson went at number 11 i'll just say that if they wanted to go that direction i don't i wouldn't say that it's the betting favorite but i think this is where this conversation is going to start for both him and i will say devin lloyd as well i think the conversation starts with both those guys here uh ultimately i'm not sure that's going to be the pick especially if a guy like jameson williams is going to be on the board they need wide receiver badly they really do and you can never have too much explosiveness and speed him and jerry mcglory in the same offense with and shoot a guy like antonio gibson as well to be versatile and where they can use him

i like jameson williams let's make it happen. Let's give Carson Wentz some weapons here and see what we can do in Washington. We'll go Jameson Williams. I like Jameson Williams to Washington. If Jameson Williams is still available, I honestly think he should be more in consideration for the top 10. I think Jameson Williams is that good. I think the other piece I'd go for now on the 12 is I have a suggestion.

Okay. What if we kick it back to them so they can stop copying us in ways here? So that way you get a chance to kind of go and then we can kind of re-back here. If you want to go Minnesota, you guys go. It's fine. All right. Okay. We can do that here.

So we've got the Carolina Panthers on at number 12 because we had them trading back from 12 now the offensive line selections aren't too different connor uh actually it's exactly the same as what it was as number six you just might be more comfortable taking an offensive lineman here does anybody stand out to you like trevor penning or bernard raymond or i would prefer raymond over penning i'll say i think i would too i like his outlook more i know the nfl seems to like trevor penning a lot more but i like bernard raymond if we're going offensive tackle yeah it would be that for me people are going to be like oh like don't force the pick for carolina but carolina's put themselves

in this position where they have to force the pick. Sure. Could trade back again, force another trade. Keep going. And you're not comfortable swinging for the fences on Malik Willis at 12, right? I know, it's not pretty. The situation for Carolina is just so dire. I think that their best bet would probably be going malik willis at 12 i think i honestly as grim as that can sound because it's not it's not a malik thing it's the quarterback class yeah but it's not like bernard raymond or trevor penny it's not like

we're choosing a surefire offensive tackle like these are no i agree dudes anyways so i guess you might as well take the developmental dude. Swing on the quarterback, right? Alright, we seem so... So jacked up about this one. Excited about it. Malik, hold up. Wait, wait, wait. Hold on. You hate Desmond Ritter, don't you? Oh, God. Desmond Ritter

in the top 15 is... Just fire Matt Rule. Just fire Matt Rule when this is done. Okay, enough with the Desmond Ritter slant. We'll go with Malik Willis. What is going on? We'll go with the Desmond Ritter slant. We'll go with Malik Willis. What is going on? We'll go with Malik Willis at number 12. We'll go with Malik Willis at 12. Y'all are up.

I honestly don't think that's an awful scenario for Carolina. If they manage to trade back and still land Malik Willis, which I don't think is ultimately what's going to happen, I think that's a solid situation. In reality, yes, because I think they're taking a quarterback but just like even after they take malik willis you go okay malik's gonna struggle his first year matt rules gonna get fired they're gonna go into a rebuild okay like where are we going from here are they gonna be high enough to draft a quarterback next year are they gonna do the same thing the cardinals

did with rosen and tyler like what are we doing here so i don't think it's that dissimilar of a situation to chicago like chicago last year trades up big for Justin Fields. They trade up for Tevin Jenkins, all because Ryan Pace and Matt Nagy know they got a short leash. And then those short-term decisions don't lead to immediate results. They both get canned, and now you're in a situation where the Bears don't have any resource to build around him and all that stuff. This is where Carolina is. They make this big trade for Sam Darnold. And I think they're going to be reeling with the situation he's going to be put in if they bring in Malik Willis or Kenny Pickett, whoever they do draft.

Now at number 12, Panthers are not picking here for us. It is the Minnesota Vikings. Trent McDuffie on the board, the cornerback from Washington, George Karloftis, Purdue the edge defender on the board, Garrett Wilson. I don't hate Garrett Wilson here. No one's talking about receiver to the Minnesota Vikings at 12. Adam Thielen getting older. You're going to have to pay Justin Jefferson a billion dollars here

in a couple years. I don't hate going receiver. I think give them more weapons. Continue to throw the kitchen sink at the playmakers. I like Trent McDuffie though just because he's so good. That's a good description. And they obviously need corner as well.

So I think we rock, paper, scissors for it because I don't want McDuffie here at all. Do it. Do it. 3, 2, 1, shoot. Crush. You never go scissors on the because I don't want McDuffie here at all. Do it. All right, ready? Best of one, three, two, one, shoot. We need to see this. Yeah, yeah. Three, two, one, shoot. Crush. You never go scissors on the first one.

You're literally a fool. Give us Garrett Wilson. My gosh. Austin has Mike in a mental cage right now. It's bad. It's bad. It's bad. Garrett Wilson's a Minnesota Viking thanks to the rock being thrown out first. I will hit you some more.

So I just, I do want to tell a very, a very small story that goes off of Austin having everyone in a mind clamp. When we are out drinking, he will play the, the odds that you finish a game. And essentially it's just, you have to say a number it's like one through five or one through 10 or something like that. And then you go three, two, one. If you say the same number, then you have to say a number it's like one through five or one through ten or something like that and then you go three two one if you say the same number then you have to finish your drink that's the that's kind of the rules of the game here i've i've never seen somebody read people's minds the way austin does during that game it is it is it is sick i don't understand

it you have a superpower it is So you absolutely working Mike right there. Rock, paper, scissors. Just not shocking. Surprises. No one surprises. No one rock, paper, scissors, odds. Those games. It's all mental.

It's all mental. I know. And yeah, you put on, you put on a full court press. Like shout out to the comment from Andrew Pierce. It says, I really hope this is how NFL war rooms. Rock, paper, scissors. A lot of it. A lot of it.

Don't play. Played around the league. Listen, paper, scissors. A lot of it played around the league. Listen, you know, if some team wants to hire us all to run their draft, we can figure it out. We can go live during the draft. If we're reading the chat, Space Explorer also said everyone on the stream is so handsome. The camera must have been on Mike. I think I'm on the outside looking in here.

But we'll take it. We will take it. You guys are up at 13. Houston at number 13, and boy, I feel like we've got a treasure here for the Houston Texans. Yeah, I agree. We had them taking Iki Okwani at number three, and we have two guys who stick out to me. Kyle Hamilton

and Trayvon Walker. Those are the two dudes who really stick out to me. I think this is probably where they need to go Trayon walker like i like kyle hamilton a lot but houston's houston's got a lot that they've still got to rebuild right this is not like a okay let's plug a couple holes get a safety we're gonna be good next year all that kinds of stuff i think that they need to build both trenches a lot more over the next couple

of years so i'd be leaning trayvon Walker here. What do you think? I like your thought process, but I'd go with Hamilton because I think he's the safer player than Walker. Yeah, he's a top 10 player for me while Walker's not. And I think that when you look at it, I agree with your thought of the trenches, right? I've always said with Trayvon Walker, if Houston is really that enamored with him, which it's grown into that the Jaguars are,

so we've gotten away from that conversation. I would just wonder if Casario sees Walker as this Richard Seymour kind of player with his background in new England. So that wouldn't shock me. I would just roll with Hamilton. They lost Justin Reed to the chiefs. They need help on the backend just as much as they need help on the front end. Reed not being there anymore, probably skews what I think of it because I think like, Oh,

like Houston was okay at safety last year, but the big reason why they were okay they don't have that anymore good player I'll go Hamilton we can go here let's make Hamilton happen at 13 which puts you guys now up for the Houston Texans Hamilton obviously already off the board he went 11 to the Washington Commanders the names I like here and I know I just destroyed you in rock paper scissors to lead McDuffie on the board I'm happy with McDuffie here at 13 I like Karloftis here at 13 and I also lean potentially Jordan Davis Chris Olave or other names I throw out there but I don't think you can go wrong here maybe just take the best player on the board which in this case would be Trent McDuffie I think Karloftis um I think line of scrimmage line of scrimmage players because of just the complete lack of line of scrimmage players.

Yeah. So, yeah, I think Karloftis. No, I'm fine with it. And, you know, if you're trying to change the culture of your locker room, Evan Neal, George Karloftis, tough to go wrong with those two guys. Karloftis, a top 10 player on my board. I'm big on Karloftis. I think I've seen drafts where he falls into the 20s.

I know Conner, you're lower on Karloftis. I think he is a guy that should be going higher than 13, but I think at 13, that's good value for Houston. Let's lock it in. Drew Doherty on our guest mock draft series also had Karloftis going to the Houston Texans at number 13, so he very much agrees with that pick. Connor, we're up at number 14,

and essentially, which Georgia Bulldog do you want here? Do you want Jordan Davis? Do you want Devontae Wyatt? Or do you want Trayvon Walker? I think that's what it's going to come down to. We had Jeff Zarebik on for our guest mock draft when he was picking for the Ravens. He talked about the defensive line need,

how they have a need at a couple of different spots. And even though they're bringing Calais Campbell back and they've got a couple of guys in there that they've gotten their rotation, both young and old, they do need to get younger. They do need to get some new blood into that defensive line it's just where they want to go with it who is the leader of the clubhouse i think out of that group or maybe shoot maybe you want to throw somebody else in there too no i love where your head's at with this one i go jordan davis

right just get a mammoth in the middle that vince will fork type of player in the middle that is just going to eat so many blockers it's going to open up so much for the rest of your scheme. So for me, this would be Jordan Davis. I could sit here and make an argument even for Wyatt, Trayvon Walker. In a sense, maybe Carl Loftus. It's a little early for him. Like I said, I wish Ajabo was healthy because that would have been a dream scenario for him in the top 20 as well. So yeah, I would roll with Jordan Davis if you like that one.

I've loved the idea of Jordan Davis going to the Baltimore Ravens. I haven't had a scenario where Devontae Wyatt, Jordan Davis, and Trayvon Walker are all on the board since, I don't know, January. But I think I would go with Jordan Davis here as well. Let's go Jordan Davis to pick 14 to the Baltimore Ravens. Walker on an absolute slide on the NFL SE block draft. I respect the vigor and the

not to follow the league. For me, I think it's either a repeat pick and going Jordan Davis as well because Trayvon Walker isn't on the board or going Trent McDuffie again because he's fallen and top guy on the board. Let's go McDuffie. Let's go McDuffie to the Baltimore Ravens. Explain why you wanted him as high as 12 here.

So he's, I mean, super athletic, probably the smoothest corner in the draft class. Obviously, length isn't great, but you have two outside corners already in Baltimore. Now, both outside corners coming off of IR, one with torn pec, one with an ACL. So he can slot in the slot as well, has that sort of play style to fit in there.

When those guys are healthy, those guys, you know, TBD on their health going into next season. If they're not, he can also fill an outside corner. And obviously with the Ravens, what they do defensively, how they've, you know, invested or where they've tried to invest is that back end. So continue to do so. Love investing in the back end. Now let's go McDuffie. The Philadelphia Eagles up at number 15 now.

So the Eagles have two picks. So we got to kind of game plan for the Eagles here. They had a lot of different needs. They have a couple of needs, mainly the one at linebacker, which we know that they're not going to pick in real life that we might have on the table here for them. But Trent McDuffie is still there

who I think the Eagles would love in their secondary he gives you that safety versatility a lot of people look at Trent McDuffie and they say oh he's got the versatility you could play him on the outside in the slot but he didn't really play in the slot it's not that he can't he just hasn't doesn't have that experience now he does have versatility playing from safety as well and when I got to sit down and talk to him he talked about how he would love for a team to be able to utilize him in all different kinds of ways with all the different kinds of different personnel packages and being able to put him at safety sometimes as an outside corner he's certainly open to the slot as well so man i like mcduffie here trayvon walker obviously still here as well davante wyatt we know that fletcher cox

isn't going to be there forever they've got fletletcher Cox and Javon Hargrave, but imagine Devontae Wyatt in that rotation as well. And then of course, like receivers, Traylon Burks is still here. Chris Olave is still here. What are you thinking with this one, Connor? I kind of love McDuffie in this situation. This is one of those spots where if he can make it here, how do you pass on him, right? You know, Mike kind of hinted at it, just the, that quick twitch athleticism, such a smart player, super hyper aware and zone. I think that he would come in and give that Eagles corner group a little bit of a youth infusion. So it would be really tough for me if I'm Philly to pass on him. I think it's a need. I think it's, it's probably best player available for me in the spot or one of the best players available as well, discounting a guy like Tyler Lbaum so that's where I would roll right now and I'd feel pretty good about getting

day one impact from him as well he said too he would just he's such a good corner he can do so many different things for you and I think if you're looking at the draft strategy here you've got the Jets now sitting at 16 you've got the Chargers at 17 I think both of those teams are threats to take a corner. Yeah, you don't wait until 18. You're right. Right. If you want a corner, McDuffie's basically the last one

until you get kind of a gap between Andrew Boot Jr., depending on how high you have him, Kyer Elam as well, or maybe what you think of Dax Hill. So, all right, we'll go Trent McDuffie here. I'm okay with Trent. I'm not super – I don't have any callings one way or the other. I think there's a lot of options they could go with. So we'll go McDuffie at 15 and see what's on the board for us at 18.

Love to see it. Off of that, Philadelphia Eagles now drafting here at 15. We obviously know they have another pick at 18. McDuffie off the board. And Trev mentioned something about the gap between McDuffie and Andrew Booth Jr. I'm higher on Booth than a lot of people I think Booth is good I think I think Booth is closer to McDuffie than people

are giving credit for I think he's closer to Sauce and Stingley I don't think he's in that tier one but I think he's high tier two and I would not hate going Andrew Booth Jr. this high I know a lot of people would probably look elsewhere specifically linebacker Devin Lloyd and Kobe Dean. I would 100% take Andrew Booth Jr. at 15 over either of the linebackers, Lloyd or Dean. Now, that's not the only other players I would consider. It's probably Jordan Davis, Chris Olave. I think it's either Booth, Davis, or Olave for me. And if you like Davis more than you like Booth as a prospect, I get that.

Or Olave more than Booth as a prospect, I get that too. I think we should pick between those three players, Davis, Olave, or Booth. I think it I get that too. I think we should pick between those three players. Davis, Olave, or Booth. I think it's either between Davis or Devontae Wyatt, truthfully. Okay. I just think DT, again, with what the Eagles do, where they invest, those are two damn good DTs. Very athletic.

So I think Jordan Davis is where I'd probably lean. Let's go Davis. I like Davis. Jordan Davis, Georgia defense tackle tackle off the board at 15. You guys are up. I think that's certainly a direction that the Eagles would go, no doubt about it. All right, the Jets are 16 now because the Jets are at 16 and 19.

Already picked at 10. They got Drake London. Where would New York go here, Connor? We've got George Karloftis, Trevon Walker, Bernard Raymond. Probably not picking wide receiver, obviously. Chris Olave's still there, but Andrew Booth, Kier Elam. What do you think about this board here?

If you pass on Walker here... You start to get more comfortable with Walker here, and they have a desperate need. What did you say, Austin? I said you can't pass on Walker here. I think even as much as concerns I have with his production, this is a one-of-one athlete. I think getting – I don't think this is going to happen.

I think Walker goes inside the top three, but I would be strongly, strongly considering Walker, especially after – who did you guys take? You got London at 10, and then you got Walker at 16. Yeah, they need a pass rush help. That's hot. Right. So this is closer to where I have him ranked,

so you start to feel more comfortable with the projection of the player right um you buy in that robert sala can get the most out of him he's done a good job developing guys over his career up front in the front seven and he's just realistically so now they also have picked 19 you don't want to let him sit there for 17 and 18 i would lean trayvon walker in this spot as well. You got your wide receiver. You feel like edge is just at the top of your needs, even with Carl Lawson coming back. So this is the spot where you're willing to gamble a little more

and bet on Walker's traits. Yeah, I'm kind of trying to get Walker off the board at this point because we all know that he's obviously going to go a lot higher, and even though he didn't have the great production scores the athleticism is just there i mean i think anything between 13 and this pick here 13 14 15 and 16 i think would be all great homes for trayvon walker so we can totally go him at 16 i think this is a good spot for him especially since they didn't go edge rusher yet in this draft so we'll go trayvon walker to the jets at 16. massive value for the New York Jets.

That would be bigger than a dream. That would be sick to see if they foresaw on that defense. At number 16, we still have the New Orleans Saints picking here. This is their first of two first round selections. 16 and 19. We know they have needs at wide receiver and offensive tackle. Are you

at all considering quarterback though? I think more quarterbacks come off the board in the actual draft before the pick 16 but malik willis kenny pickett all the quarterbacks still available if you do you want to pass on quarterback here if so i think we go either trevor penning or no sorry not trevor penning bernard ryman or chris olave if you want to pass on quarterback i think passing quarterback here okay do you want ryman or olave i think you got you got a wide receiver ot needy team behind you. I think the difference between like an Olave

and whoever else is going to be on the board next at the wide receiver is probably smaller than Ryman in the next OT. But that's just my take on the situation. Let's go Ryman then. I like Ryman. Let's go Ryman. Bernard Ryman, 16 to the New Orleans Saints. All right. Okay. Saints get an offensive tackle tackle we obviously are not picking for the saints there we have them trading up to uh to go and get evan neal at number four

that puts us up at 17 los angeles chargers corner is a big need for them offensive tackle is a big need for them we got trevor penning and uh bernard rhyming still on the board i mean corner again if you want to if you want to get into Andrew Booth, Kier Elam, those guys are still there, but none of the big three, if you will, still on the board for them. Connor, where I'm looking, is wide receiver. Me too. I like the value better.

I like the value a lot better. Chris Olave is my guy, man. Yeah, I'm okay with that. It's a scheme fit. I think that Chris Olave, on the other side of some Justin Herbert deep balls, would be a thing of beauty. And I think that this is a team that obviously went to improve their defense a lot, as we saw over free agency.

They went out and they got Khalil Mack. They signed JC Jackson. They talked about, oh, you know, doing all these things to free up Derwin James to allow him to be his incredible self and do whatever he can as a playmaker there but on the offensive side of the ball too they know that they are in a division that's got a lot better around them as well they know the bills are also going to be there in the playoffs they need to score points and what better way to do that than to keep your foot in the gas pedal, if you will, with acquiring wide receiver talent.

If Chris Olave is here, I like this a lot better than who else we got on the board. So if you do not disagree, I'm going to go Chris Olave here. I don't disagree at all. You want to be, you know, you want to be a top dog, try to be three deep at weapons. This gives them that, you know, third guy at wide receiver for Justin Herbert. And like I said, I just like his fit in this offense a lot.

And I'd rather get the value at wide receiver in Olave than reach on a tackler or corner. I'm with you. I'm with you 100%. All right, y'all are up. I'm banging the table for Olave here too. I'm happy with the repeat pick. I think I've wanted them to get Jamison Williams at 17, the entire pre-draft process.

I don't think he's ultimately going to be there, but I think there's a good chance Chris Olave is there. And I think he offers a lot of the same skillset, smooth mover, efficiency, good speed, compliments to Mike Williams and Keenan Allen. This is a dream scenario. I'm agreeing with the NFL. I see you guys. Let's go Olave at 17. Boom. Eagles at 18. Connor, this one comes down to two players for me. And when I say that, I mean, it comes down to three players for me and when i say that i mean it comes down to three players for me and when i say that i just remembered something else and it comes down to two players for me

davante wyatt yep and trailing burks those are the two that i'm thinking wow because with them with them going trent mcduffie up at 16 they got corner, and I like the corner pick, but, dude, this wide receiver room is bad, and it needs someone, something, and I think they can be creative with how they use Traylon Burks, get the ball to him in a variety of different ways, use him as a complement with Devontae Smith as well. But on the other side of things, I love Devontae Wyatt. I think that he is a fantastic player,

and if Jordan Davis was not in this class, shoot, if, if Devante Wyatt was even at a different school other than Georgia, I think that we're talking about Devante Wyatt as a much higher pick. So I'm a lot higher on him. I like the idea of them investing in their defensive line there, but what do you think about this pick here for Philly? Yeah, I'm with you. I would probably lean Devante wide. I think he's such a good scheme fit for them. I think it's an area where they've got to get younger, and they know that. You saw the Band-Aid deal they got done with Fletcher Cox. You're kind of looking for the next man up.

So I would, if Devin Lloyd's not in this conversation, and I like Traylon Burks as a fit in that offense as well, but I think I'm going to roll with Wyatt for the instant impact you can get and the long-term gains you can get in what's a sneaky area of need for them. Because the Eagles have, what picks do they have? They have these in round one. They have a second-round pick. They have two third-round picks.

Look, I like Devin. They got day two ammo. I got Devin Lloyd as well, but you can hit wide receiver and linebacker really nicely in this class. You're not getting Devontae Wyatt kind of player. You're damn yeah you're not getting davante wyatt kind of player and you damn right you're not so we're gonna go davante wyatt here at 18 for the eagles y'all are up if we would if we didn't already take jordan davis maybe we double dip with davante wyatt and jordan davis on the interior just do it just form the georgia front again i think it's

interesting how we have the board stacked up right now on our end devin lloyd available davanteae Wyatt, N'Kobe Dean, Tyler Linderbaum. Those are the four best available, all four low value positions. And while there obviously is a need for Philadelphia at linebacker, we talked on our podcast today, just the depth at linebacker in this draft. And at 18, I think it's too rich for a Lloyd, too rich for a Dean. And if we didn't already take, like I said, if we didn't already take Davis, I think we doubled up at DT. I'm more interested in going to a different position group here, maybe even looking at receiver with some of the receivers available, maybe looking at corner. Andrew Booth Jr. continues to stand out to me.

Where are you at here? Yeah, we can have, and to explain that further, like we're super high on Lloyd. Lloyd would be a slam dunk to me at pick 18 in terms of just value, in terms of how good a player you're getting for that pick. But that's not how just draft decision-making decisions have to work or should work when there is a deep linebacker class, when you can find a guy who's also very good in the second round at a position like linebacker.

I say you wait, and I say you address positions that maybe you can't find, guys that have that skill set later on. To me, I would consider andrew booth here probably would be my pick one i don't see not say i don't see the wide receiver need i do but i think you still have enough their wide receiving core is still young enough that you hope and pray you're going to hope and pray for development and not necessarily need to take a wide receiver the first round for the third straight year so i'll go booth the only other consideration here and i know i'm lower on jermaine johnson than others but don't

be overconfident in your evaluation is jermaine johnson if you wanted to go edge right if you want to double dip on the defensive line you grab jordan davis and jermaine johnson i'm willing to have consideration there i take booth over johnson at this point but what's your thought i'd go booth let's go booth andrew booth jr clems cornerback, going number 18 to the Philadelphia Eagles. So your Eagles haul was Jordan Davis and Andrew Booth, right? Yes, yes. And we went Devontae Wyatt and Trent McGuffey. I don't hate it. I don't hate it.

There we go. That's funny. 19, New York Jets. New York Jets took Drake London at 10. We also had them taking Trayvon Walker at 16. You'll love to see it. Now, who are we going with at 19, Connor? Man, two players for me here.

They got pass rusher. They got wide receiver. For me, this would be down to Devin Lloyd and Tyler Linderbaum with Dax Hill or Louis Seen being kind of those dark horse guys in this spot because they do need a safety. I'm pretty high

on both those players, but I'd rather get a real true you know top 20 kind of impact talent in this spot um Connor McGovern's a free agent after this year they're going to need a center he hasn't been great for them either to be honest with you and we know how much they need to run the ball he's a good scheme fit for them Linderbaum and then there's Devin Lloyd so I mean Trev I'll actually I actually, we've done so much deferring to me with the Jets picks. I'm going to put you on the spot here, and you're going to be between Devin Lloyd and Tyler Linderbaum.

I'm going Linderbaum, man. I love getting Linderbaum in the top 20. I get it, positional value. He's small, all that stuff. He's a damn good football player, man. I think that he's fantastic, especially for the Jets. As the third selection here in the first round for them, I love this. You mentioned it.

He's totally a scheme fit. There's not a lot of offensive lines that Tyler Linderbaum, for as much as I like him, you can plop him in the NFL and he could just thrive immediately right away. Jets, I think, are one of those teams where he has that ability to do that in the floor offense and how much he could use his athleticism, use that lighter frame to his advantage. We know he's's got the wrestling background so he's got the core strength and so i think that even in even in this jets offense you might be able to get away with playing him

at different interior offensive line positions certainly his best is going to be at center but i think in this offense you can also get away with him being a little bit versatile here so we're going to go tyler linderbaum for the jets at 19 which puts you guys up for the saints at number 19 i'm going to bring it up again i know we talked about it at 16 and we went with bernard ryman the offensive tackle at central michigan but do we go quarterback and malik willis still on the board i it's getting to the point where even if you're low on him it's worth the flyer and you've talked about the new orleans saints it's a good dining spot for him gets to sit behind jamis winston potentially they have a roster, unlike a lot of the other teams

rumored to take a quarterback in this class. I'm thinking Malik Willis, or you're looking at receiver, maybe going after Burks or something. I don't know. I'm more on Willis than anything right now. I like Louis Seen here because you have Daniel Sorensen, penciled in as one of your starting safeties possibly. So that's where it's up for me.

When you go from Malcolm Jenkins and Marcus Williams to now Marcus May and Daniel Sorensen, I would rather lean safety here because with the contract they gave Jameis, it is two years. As much as I would love for them to get a quarterback, you're stuck with Jameis for two years. So that's your three realistically before you're getting a quarterback on the football field.

And with kind of the way they've played this cap game and what they're doing with this roster, they're still all in. So I do think that I would lean to try to build the best roster on Jameis, try to catch lightning in a bottle. So Louis Seans, Ridley. Are we going to have to go back to the rock, paper, scissors here? Because I don't want Seans. Let's go Willis first Seans, rock, paper, scissors, one, two, three So Louisine's right. Are we going to have to go back to the rock, paper, scissors here? Because I don't want scene. Let's go Willis versus scene. Rock, paper,

scissors. One, two, three, shoot. Rock, paper, scissors, shoot. Rock, paper, scissors, shoot. Ah! Gosh darn it. Louisine. Wow. Going to New Orleans Saints. Going to New Orleans Saints. Mike claps back. I hate it. I hate it. I hate it. Wow. I hate it.

Louisine, safety, Georgia. All those mind games. So you went Louis Scene for the Saints at 19, correct? Yes. Correct. Which I hated on the record. Do you hate the Scene it? I hate you.

Brutal. Brutal. So brutal it's good. All right. The Pittsburgh Steelers at number 20. We already have malik willis off the board we had him going to the carolina panthers at number 12 and a tradeback with the vikings which is a great move by both gms i will say thank you austin uh number 20 here

okay so malik willis is not there you got trevor penning you got bern got Bernard Raymond still on the board. I don't hate offensive tackle here. I think Raymond would be my guy. I'm trying to consider other options here. Can I sell you on Tyler Smith? Ooh. Go ahead. Let's hear it. I just like him in that offense as a...

I think with his age, there's so much more potential with him than Raymond and Penning. I think he's a big, athletic, bruising run blocker. Yes, you are going to have to deal with pass pro limitations. You're one. You're going to. But to me, I'd rather swing for the fences on him than take an older guy in Penninger Raymond that still have flaws in pass pro.

I get it, but you got Mitch Trubisky back there. You don't have, you know, like a top five pick from a year ago back there. I think you can live with it a little bit more. It's a reach. I'm not going to hide it. You're reaching in this pick. If you take any tackle, you're reaching in this pick. If you take any quarterback, you're reaching in this pick.

If that's the area we're looking at, I just want to make my case for Tyler Smith instead of just saying the shoe-in of Penninger-Raymond. Okay, I would be telling you my vote is going to be Bernard-Raymond. So if you want to have your vote for Tyler Smith, then we can. I don't think we can do rock, paper, scissors because we're not in the same room. So I feel like the Internet connection is not going to be good enough. So like I'll flip a coin.

No, no, I'll defer. I'll I'll have you take Raymond because I will say he there. I think him and Smith are both going to be left tackles, but I think there's less of a transition to playing NFL left tackle for Raymond next year. So it was just a little, but what about this? Okay, all right, okay. I think that I have a feeling that we're going to get Tyler Smith off the board at some point in the first round.

But I got to say, not at 20. Bernard Raymond's going 20. We're going to take Bernard Raymond to the Steelers. Feels like a beta move from Connor there, just laying down on the sword. Show up for rock, paper, scissors. Come on. Just take whoever you want.

I wouldn't say rock, paper, scissors exactly. She's going to walk straight up to you and punch you right in the jaw the next time we see you. Threaten to kill him before you lay down like that. Some people think in the comments that I'm with you guys because of the brick. Oh, nice. Oh, yeah. I'm not with them. You the brick. Oh, nice. Oh, yeah.

I'm not with them. You're lucky. No, otherwise I would have won. Connor walks off screen and just starts straight choking on us. I just appear, right? Pittsburgh Steelers, Mike. We're in the same conversations. I loved Connor's talk, how he was

framing Tyler Smith. I think Tyler Smith should 100% be in the conversation here. I think it's a little bit of a reach, but not all that significant, especially with so much low-value positions on the board at the top. Why not go – I've said it for the last few picks here. Quarterback. Yeah. Malik Willis, you go Sam Howell.

I know Sam Howell is one of your top quarterbacks in this class. I like Malik Willis here. Yeah, Malik Willis. Malik Willis, quarterback, Liberty, coming off the board at 20, going to the Pittsburgh Steelers. Yeah, not high on this quarterback class. Yeah, it lacks polish, but in that, that's where the value starts to make sense. You're getting such a cheap quarterback with five years of control. And I think that's a situation that Malik Willis would be absolutely, you talk about him going to Carolina where coach could get fired next year and all that stuff.

That's not going to be, Mike Tomlin's not going anywhere. Matt Canada might get fired next year and all that stuff, that's not going to be... Matt Canada might get fired. Mike Tomlin's not going anywhere, though. You have some stability there. You have a really good receiving core. The offensive line isn't great, but it's a lot better situation than Carolina. I think that's a huge win for Malik Willis. Honestly, at pick 20, they get a hands on him. I think that's a win

for Pittsburgh as well. Alright, we got New England. Actually, to your point, talking about malik willis look we we kind of talked ourselves into him going 12 to carolina and that's just that's the landscape of this quarterback right we can all sit here and say all right well maybe we don't have any first round grades on any of these quarterbacks but these teams are in desperate need for one this dealers in the and the carolina panthers are definitely in need of a quarterback so you know if it hits it's going to be able to save their franchises and where they're going it's certainly uh kickstart their rebuild and their winning windows as well so new

england at 21 connor we got a lot of different options here with 21 uh we got george carloftis on the board to potentially fill the edge need devin lloyd if we want a centerpiece in the middle linebacker we do still have trailing burks at wide receiver to help out that wide receiver core we've got andrew booth we've got kair elam i mean you've got david ojabo if you want to consider him as well like this is a really good board for the new england patriots is there one way you're leaning yeah i'm leaning devin lloyd i know that was our guest mock pick uh from evan lazar and i i really agree with it because it gives you a little bit of both that reliable linebacker in the middle of the defense that they, it matters so much to Bill Belichick. And also

he's a guy that can rush a little bit, which we know they need help there as well. You let him and Matthew Don rush on third downs a little bit and you just trust him on early downs to be that stalwart run defender in the middle of the defense so i like devin lloyd in this spot i think they are a team that would rather try to find wide receiver on day two whether that's a john mechie kind of player so yeah i would look at devin lloyd in this but i think the value checks out and you got to realize for new england that's a position that while some teams might say it doesn't hold positional value for them it means a lot where I'm looking at New England's depth chart right now.

I like Carl Loftus a lot, man. He's, he's, he's fallen. I know, I know we're in this kind of mode where Carl Loftus just falls and mock drafts, but I like him. I know he's lower on your board. So we're a little bit split here. I think Devin Lloyd is interesting for the Patriots, right? Because they often go for heavier linebackers guys who could play closer to the box guys are going to be able to crash down i think of obviously everything that done to hightower has been for them devin lloyd can do a lot for you though evan lazar did a great job of saying that like hey you could put devin lloyd on the edge and he can give you a little pass rush there he was great as a blitzer back in his junior season um when he was when they were

having him blitz a lot in this past year he was really great in coverage so lloyd doesn't feel like the type of linebacker the patriots have traditionally drafted but i do feel like the game is changing since they really emphasize linebacker and you are trying to get faster you are trying to get better in coverage and so if we draft devin lloyd here it kind of ruins the dream of leo chanel being able to go to the new england patriots which i think is one of the greatest one-in-one fits that we'll see in this class but i think the value makes sense for what a guy like devin lloyd could do we'll go devin lloy at 21, the Patriots. All right. I think we have to consider Lloyd here at 21. I would go Lloyd or Wyatt.

We have Wyatt still on the board. You want to go Lloyd or Wyatt? Let's go Lloyd. We're going to double dip. We're going to copycat the NFLSC crew here. I think Devin Lloyd at 21 makes a ton of sense. Green Bay Packers. It's one of two players, right?

I think it's either Traylon Burks or Zion Johnson. What do you think? Yeah, I would lean Traylon Burks in this spot. I wouldn't try to get too cute at wide receiver, although you never know what they would do. I would take Traylon Burks in this spot. I think it would be absolutely silly for them to pass on Traylon Burks. Yeah, I think so too.

And you know Dallas is all over him at 24, so he's not making it to 28. It's too risky. I don't think you overthink this one. I think you take Traylon Burks. There's no way he's making it to 28. If he's on the board for Dallas at 24, he's absolutely going to be. Yeah, he's gone.

Which is why he won't be in this draft. I agree with you. All right, Traylon Burks to the Green Bay Packers at 22. Didn't need too long of an explanation there. What do you guys think? I'm lower on Burks than a lot of media. I think the league will be higher on him. He's got the size speed profile, right? But I'm lower on

Burks, so I'm not even considering Burks here at 22. I think that there's more value in Wyatt. I'm even considering into your offensive line like Zion Johnson here potentially. Corner is another option as well. I don't know. There's a lot they could go, but I don't think I'm going considering into your offensive line, like Zion Johnson here potentially. Corner is another option as well. I don't know. There's a lot they could go, but I don't think I'm going Burks.

I don't think so either. Two names that would come to my mind are Sky Moore and Tyler Smith, truthfully here. Yeah. Two young, superb athletes on the offensive side of the ball. We know they love youth. And Tyler Smith could probably start slots at guard easier early in his career to then be the left tackle of the future

with Dave Bakhtiari. And you're going Tyler Smith over Zion Johnson and Trevor Penning. Yes, I think so. But I think Tyler Smith's a better tackle prospect than Penning in terms of similarly highly tooled athlete, but I think he has more functional athleticism and functional strength on a football field that translates. And obviously much younger than all the other guys there that you listed.

So he's 21, just turned 21. The other guys, Zion, 22, and Penny, you know, 23. I like Tyler Smith over Sky Moore. Let's lock in Tyler Smith of Tulsa. Offensive tackle could kick into the interior. Tyler Smith at 22. I thought we were a little early, Connor, when we were talking about him at 20.

Yeah, I spun it like it was the craziest take of all time. And they're out here drafting him two picks later. I'm glad to hear it, man. I'm glad to hear someone else has him over Penning as well because I think that just has not been popular. You're going to really have to convince me that George Karloff, this is not going to be the pick here for the Arizona Cardinals. Because when I look at this Cardinals depth chart on their defensive line,

Zach Allen, Leckie Fotu, an aging J.J. Watt, Devin Kennard. It's bad. Marcus Golden. Like, who is rushing the passer without Chandler Jones? Who can get to the quarterback? Well, I hate that they're in that spot because I want to take Zion Johnson here, here honestly i want to help out kyler murray i want to help out the run game kyler i want to get better on the entire offensive line yeah if you really want to sour that relationship any further take sam how

yeah it's just it's just out. All right, so. But, I mean, the value's fine for me with Karloftis in this spot. I'll say that. Man. I would take Zion. Rodney Hudson, Will Hernandez, Justin Pugh. Oh, I mean, what is this, 2014? Hey, Rodney Hudson can still play.

Sure. In 2014. In 2014. That's correct. Shut up! hey rodney hudson can still play sure but 2014 that's crazy that's a crazy depth chart you just announced no it's terrible it's ass it's bad this team just that i want everybody to realize this team took linebacker in back-to-back seasons yeah and they're sitting here with this offensive line man i mean you made my argument for me. I didn't want to. Fine, Zion Johnson.

That's stupid. Fine. Oh, my gosh. He hates it. The Cardinals made me do it. They made me do it. They made me do it. I'm sorry, George Karloff.

I wanted to pick you, but the Cardinals made me do it. You guys are out. Mike,orge carloff this i wanted to pick you but the cardinals made me do it you guys are out mike what do you think about davante wyatt here this is that davante wyatt's the arizona cardinals i do think zion johnson will be in 100 consideration i think if tyler smith was on the board i think he'd be in consideration here for the arizona cardinals um but davante wyatt falling this far i'm a big fan of him and even though he's an older prospect insane athlete. And I think he has better pass rushing ability than Jordan Davis. That's exactly what they're looking for on D on the DI front on the DT front. Let's go Devante Wyatt,

Georgia. Boom. Dallas Cowboys up at number 24. Got some interior offensive line needs and they got some offensive tackle needs for sure. They also have receiver needs, but nobody's left. I don't think I was like,

well, I guess Sky Moore is there. So if you're're tempted by sky more i guess we can have a conversation about that it's essentially going to come down to actually now that i'm looking at it sky more george pickens kenyon green or trevor penning for me is there anybody that i didn't list i would throw tyler smith into the conversation because they'd like the flexibility of a long-term tackle. I don't hate that. I actually like that.

Yeah, it would be Tyler's. I don't want to just I think Kenyon Green is an NFL guard, strictly. So as much as I like him there for 2022, I like the long-term outlook for Tyler Smith on that team playing guard and then flexing out to tackle down the road. That's good. I like the long-term outlook for Tyler Smith on that team playing guard and then flexing out to tackle down the road. That's good.

You like that? Let's do it. Tyler Smith, 24 to the Dallas Cowboys. They can get wide receiver later. I think I've seen that mocked a handful of places. I like it every single time. I think they're smart to look at Tyler Smith in this spot. Obviously, Smith off the board for us with the Packers at 22. Some of the names on top of

PFF's draft board right now. N'Kobe Dean, linebacker at Georgia. Linderbaum, center from Iowa. Got Howell up top, the North Carolina QB. Trevor Penning in consideration. I don't hate here. Randy Gregory pulls the Yankee swap on him late. Goes to Denver Broncos.

And we still have Jermaine Johnson on the board. And Jermaine Johnson, we were lower on than the consensus. I like Johnson over Penning in this spot. I like Johnson over Traylon Burks in this spot. Should we go Johnson? Yes. Let's go Jermaine Johnson, Florida State at 24 to Dallas Cowboys. That's got to be the biggest gap for us in

mocks, right? Because we had Jermaine Johnson going 9 and you have him going 24. Probably the biggest gap. Where did you have Trayvon Walker go off? Do you remember? We had Trayvon Walker go 9 to the Seattle Seahawahawks okay so we had then him going 16 so that gap's not as big yeah i think that's the jermaine johnson i did not expect jermaine johnson to be the biggest gap here wow okay i think he ultimately if we're talking realistically i think he is going in the top 10 i think there's a really good chance he goes to atlanta eight i think seattle

seattle will consider him at 9. And then if, say, Jets go Ahmad Gardner at 4, they could go Johnson at 10. Honestly, I think there's a really good chance he goes in that 8 to 10 range. But obviously PFF or me and Mike a little bit more specifically lower on Johnson than the media. Buffalo Bills up at number 25. Wide receiver and defensive line. George Karloftis is on the board but they i mean defensive line need is is more specific to the interior because they've got von miller they've

got greg russo they've got aj epinesa who they think is still going to get better they've got boogie basham with the drafted last year so i don't think they're going to be interested in karloftis interior defensive lineman i think travis Travis Jones could be very interesting. Sure, yep. I would consider Andrew Booth here. Okay, yeah, I like that. I definitely don't hate that. I was looking at wide receiver. We still got Sky Moore on the board. We got George Pickens on the board.

Wide receiver for them is a little Rich Gets Richer, which I'm okay with. I don't mind that. I think we saw big strides out of Gabe Davis last year across from Stefan Diggs. They did sign Jamison Crowder as a number three or four. So they're not... They're doing well enough there when you factor in what Dawson Knox does to the pass game

that maybe they could solve that on day two of the draft where they do have their picks. I think I'd be chasing some premium talent here. I would either draft and stash a Jabo, but I know they're so Super Bowl hungry right now. I would either draft and stash a Jabo, but I know they're so Superbowl hungry right now. Right. No,

I would probably lean booth. I'd much rather go Andrew booth because it's a good shout out. I'm glad the tailgate guys got him off the board a little bit earlier. Cause I do think that he's good. I think he's one of the more underrated players in this draft class and he's just been hurt. Right. I think that he just more snaps under his belt,

him getting able to play. I also think part of it's because Clemson football was just absolutely unwatchable this past season. Yeah, the program sank, and that sank a guy like him. And I think that he's a little bit reckless right now, right? I agree. He's reckless in how he tackles. He's reckless in like, oh, this receiver caught it.

Okay, now my upper body's moving and my lower body's not yet. He's just not as controlled as you want want but he's got really good athleticism and i think he's got good instincts too so if you get this guy some snaps underneath his belt i think you're gonna get a damn good corner not just year one i think that he'll be okay year two year three you might get a really good player so let's go andrew booth here i like i like this here with uh the buffalo bills getting their cv2 i also think with booth i think you make you bring up a good point that he's reckless but i think he's a wreck he's reckless with how he attacks downhill i don't think he's reckless in terms of like giving up big yards and stuff i don't think like he's like

he's not like a roller coaster in terms of biting on things in front of him and stuff but like how he attacks screens how he attacks the run he can come off a little bit reckless i agree with that but i kind of want that little i kind of want that mean streak in Andrew Booth at the next level. You would rather tell him to calm down than try to get something out of him that might not be there for sure. Buffalo Bills at 25. Honestly, I know I've mentioned we're a little bit lower on Burks, but I'm kind of considering it.

I'm considering Burks here just because I think it complements what they have well in Stephon Diggs. He's a yak monster, can do a lot of things that Gabriel Davis can't do, that Stefan Diggs even can't do. I like Burks a little bit here. I'm considering it. If not Burks, maybe you look at Sky Moore, another receiver option. Could go corner, Kyrie Elam on the board.

I was looking at Zion Johnson or Travis Jones, honestly. I like Zion over the name Zion. Guard position is just a disaster for them right Jones, honestly. So guard position. I like Zion over the name Zion. Guard position is just a disaster for them right now, honestly, with what they've thrown out the past year. Now they signed Roger Saffel, but he's like 34, 35. Yeah, it's falling off a cliff quickly. So that might not be the answer.

And you lost Harrison Phillips in free agency. Defensive tackle, obviously we know they like to invest their defensive line. I think they've gone D-line like first pick last three years. So I lean one of those two, but who was it you said? Burks. I don't love attacking Jalen Burks here, truthfully. Wide receiver core, I'm not sure. I like what they have with Stephon Diggs, Gabe Davis,

and Jameson Crowder, honestly. I'm not sure he breaks that three deep if we draft him. So that's why I lean those two positions. Let's do it'm all in let's go zion johnson johnson all right cool all right connor we got the tennessee titans up here at number 26 walt if you haven't been paying attention the chat has just been all over this mock draft with his 25 years of expertise as a mock draft 25 plus with his 25 years of expertise as a mock draft 25 plus 25 plus sorry years of expertise as a mock drafter i asked him who the tennessee titan should take he said bernard raymond raymond is off the board for us already but trevor penning

is still that's where i was leaning do we consider i mean this is mike vrabel's guy, right? Yeah. Spitting vinegar. Eats a bowl of nails for breakfast without any milk, to quote SpongeBob. Right? I mean, like, that's the kind of guy that we're talking about here. I feel like he's a Tennessee Titan through and through. So it sounds like you agree. Yeah, I think this is where Penning comes off the board for us. You can utilize his run blocking a little bit more in this scheme.

Maybe bump him over, throw a tackle and give him a little bit more help. Maybe you play him at guard. There's a home for him on this offensive line. And once again, you can cover up his deficiencies that he'll deal with early on in pass pro a little bit more in what they do than a team that's going to drop back 40 times a game. All right, there we go. Trevor Penning, Tennessee Titans at 26.

Y'all are up. I'm definitely considering Penning here just because of the positional value. I'm lower on Penning. I don't know. I think in mock drafts I've put out I've seen him outside the first round just because I start to like other players more. For Tennessee, I think they can also consider receiver.

I just don't know if the Burks option is as complimentary to A.J. Brown as you'd want it to be. I'd rather have Sky more than Burks here at 26 if I'm looking at receiver. I also think they could go into your offensive line. I like Linderbaum here a little bit if they wanted to go Linderbaum. Linderbaum's a great scheme fit. Yeah. I would lean, so the three guys, Sky Moore, Tyler Linderbaum, Travis Jones.

I mean, pair Travis Jones with Jeffrey Simmons. That's a tough defensive line. And with, you know, they stunt, they slant, they create a lot of havoc. Travis Jones can actually move for a nose tackle. I think it could be a big value add to that defense should they go that route. So that's probably where I would lean first, just because you can find centers later. I don't think you can find a Travis Jones later in this class.

Travis Jones it is. You've been trying to get him off the board for a while. I'm fine with Travis Jones. I like him out of UConn. All right, Tampa Bay, up at number 27. Connor, I'll start. Travis Jones it is. You've been trying to get him off the board for a while. I'm fine with Travis Jones. I like him out of you, Connor. All right, Tampa Bay, oven number 27. Connor, I'll start. What guys on the board would you like for Tampa Bay? And then we'll kind of have a discussion after that.

Anybody really stick out to you? I mean, you know how I feel about Travis Jones there, just solidifying the middle of the defense that you can't do anything against. I think it's just insane. After that, it feels very luxury heavy. I mean, in our mock draft situation, we still have Kenyon Green there. I'm curious how you feel about him in that offense, Trevor, because I know their interior offensive line can use a long-term piece like him.

Besides that, in my eyes, you're just looking at luxury situations across the board. Yeah the corners are gone by the way so that that didn't help either so i think that this pick it'll come down to three guys i think tampa would lean towards taking lewis scene or dax hill i think that's the direction that they would want to go i think dax hill would probably be higher on their board because of the versatility that he would have a corner chess piece but all of that to say i would be picking travis jones so let's do it look they're they're they might have a corner need here if they can't resign one of jamelle dean or sean mur Murphy Bunting after next year I think there might be some change there this is a team that has always heavily invested in secondary because they want speed they want athletes they want good players in the secondary that they can rotate

everywhere but Nambika Su is not on this roster yet he might not be I don't know that's that's no sure thing that he's going to be with them you put Travis Jones next to Vita Vea you talk about it similarly to the way that those boys talked about travis jones being next to jeffrey simmons so let's go travis jones here at 27 i like it that's sick for the tampa buccaneers you love to see it monstrous scary deal that is monstrous all right this one's tough i would love to see tyler smith here I was saying there's one pick. With the way the board's fallen for us, there's one pick. It's Daxon Hill.

Daxon Hill. There's one pick. I like Daxon Hill here. I'm a big Daxon Hill fan. I think the board right now we have him as the 36th ranked player. I think that's low. I think he's a first-round player. I like him a lot.

He played the slot so well last year. Super smooth-moving guy. Confident player. I think Daxon Hill is one of my favorite defensive back candidates in this class him and petrie man i played the slot so well last year i think they're going to get underrated and slot slot cornerback start you know even if you want to play him more in the box and play some safety with him i think he could do both slaughter box daxton hill over petrie's not my favorite i'm more of a petrie guy but let's go daxton hill i'm down for that i think for their defense it just fits more with how aggressive they are, how much

you get matched. Iso man with your secondary and just he can do that in his sleep. Probably he's the best at that in the safety class to where yeah, you have a loaded secondary now, but that's how you win. That's how they won two years ago.

That's how they're going to win again in 2022 should they win Super Bowl. It's because the secondary can have answers to every That's how they're going to win again in 2022 should they win the Super Bowl. It's because the secondary can have answers to every wide receiver quarter they're going to face. Daxon Hill gives you answers. I thought I loved the Travis Jones pick for them. I think I like our Daxon Hill pick for Tampa Moore. I know that's a little biased,

but I think Daxon there is a slam dunk. Those two picks, everyone keeps saying guard for them, guard for them, guard for them. They can find, one, they drafted Robert Hainsey in the third last year. Pray he develops. Two, you could get – this is a deep guard class. You can get one probably in the third round yet again that can be comparable

to some of the guys you're going to try to slot in in the first round. I think leaning elsewhere to try to get a real impact player from year one is where I'd go. I do think that you guys are kind of spot on in how you're evaluating Tampa. I would, like I said, I would lean Travis Jones if he was on the board because I like that better. I don't think they're as high on Travis Jones. I think if they're going to draft somebody to be next to Vita Vea, they're going to want to be a quicker penetrating three technique guy. But I love the idea of all that strength in the middle and letting Joe try and show Yinka and Shaq Barrett and the linebackers behind him really shine.

All that to say, they would love Dax Hill, I think. So you guys are making a good selection there. I really do like that. So we've got the Green Bay Packers up now at 28. We have them taking Traylon Burks at 22. Is this where George Karloff just comes off the board? Can we finally get him off the board here, Connor?

What do you think? Man, it's not crazy. It does make some sense. I can also make an argument, though, for Daxon Hill for them. I can too. And for Kenyon Green, honestly. I really can. I think that I would like Daxon Hill because he's the most premium player,

I think, for me in this spot out of those guys. And they get long-term for Green Bay in that situation. So if I had to vote, I would lean Daxton Hill. I know they need offensive line help as well, and we went Traylon Burke, so we'd have to look in another round to get that for them. But I just like the talent. But I think they're okay with their interior offensive line, aren't they? Mike, can you speak to that?

They don't, like, hate their interior offensive line, do they? They're not bad. but they have answers. They're all young, all rookie contracts, but they probably wouldn't lean that early, I'd say. Yeah, I would roll with Jackson Hill here, Trev. I just think that difference-making kind of player that can do everything in the secondary for you. Now, does it matter that,

okay, I'm looking at green bay's depth chart right now they have donald savage they have adrian amos they might not be there much longer i think i think at least amos's contract is like sort of almost up but the allurement with hill is that he's kind of this like safety also slot corner hybrid he's gonna be on the field right but like doesn't like jair does a ton of work on the slot right so I would project him to play outside in that scenario when Hill's no Jair when Hill's sliding down into the slot and I'm thinking I'm always thinking two to three years to the pick so if one of those safeties are leaving in the next you know that's fair I just wondered about that I was like okay I can get over

the safety with both guys there and maybe Daxon Hill is going to step in at some that. I was like, okay, I can get over the safety with both guys there and maybe Daxon Hill is going to step in at some point. But I was like, man, would they not want to move Jair? Do they think that Jair is that good in the slot where they wouldn't want to move him when that situation called for it? And then it's almost like, okay, well, how is Daxon Hill getting on the field? But if you think that they'd be okay kicking Jair out in those situations and getting the most out of Dax Hill,

then I certainly don't hate it. I like the talent level there. There's also not, I'm not like super called to anybody else here for Green Bay. I think that's an issue as well, right? Yeah. We'll go Dax Hill.

He's a damn good football player. We'll go Dax Hill at 28. You guys are up. All righty then. Dax and. He's a damn good football player. We'll go Dax Hill at 28. You guys are up. All righty then. Daxton Hill off the board already for us. Green Bay Packers, we went with Tyler Smith at 22. Burks, available at 28. But I want Sky Moore.

I want Sky Moore over Traylon Burks here. I'm leaning more over Burks for 28 to the pack. Yeah, I'd go either Sky Moore or George Pickens. I don't think you'd go wrong with either. And I think that's whichever one toss up my eyes in terms of what's going to fit their offense better. So your choice between those two. I'm going Sky Moore.

I want Sky Moore here at 28. Sky Moore at 28. There it is. He's getting off the board. You boys were itching to get him off the board, so we knew that that was going to come sooner rather than later. We got the Chiefs now back-to-back picks, 29 and 30. Connor, I have one stipulation here for these two picks.

One of them is going to be George Pickens. That's what I wanted to do at 29. Okay, all right. So we're going to go with George Pickens at 29, and then we'll give ourselves a little bit of time to think about who we're picking at 30. So you guys to do at 29. Okay, all right. So we're going to go with George Pickens at 29, and then we'll give ourselves a little bit of time to think about who we're picking at 30. So you guys are up at 29. Okay, then.

29. Can't see Chiefs. This is Burks. I mean, shit, I wanted George Pickens there, too. You want Pickens or Burks, though? I want Pickens. Let's go Pickens. Let's go Pickens.

Burks has fallen way further than he's going to, though. You think so? We are planting our flag on Burks not being the guy. I don't think it's that crazy. You had a big wide receiver run slow. A.J. Brown went to the second round. All right. All right.

A.J. Brown, a better athlete, went to the second round. More productive, went to the second round. We're going Piggins. Trevor, is this where the Karloftis slide ends? I mean, please, for the love of God. Yeah, I'm down for that. Let's get Karloftis off the freaking board. All right.

George Karloftis at number 30. I feel like, dude, when did I advocate for Karloftis? I think I was talking about Karloftis at nine. Like, I was talking about Karloftis for the Seattle Seahawks in the top 10, and we're getting him off the board at number 30. Don't say I ever did anything for you, Connor. I'm letting you drive the Karloftis narrative here. So, all right, George Pickens at Karloftis for the Chiefs there at 29 and 30. Don't say I ever did anything for you, Connor. I'm letting you, I'm letting you drive the Karloftis narrative here. So,

all right, George Pickens and Karloftis for the Chiefs there at 29 and 30. All right, here for the Chiefs, I can see Trevor Penning coming off the board. Oh yeah. And I don't hate the value there at that point. You got Pickens and Penning.

I think those are, those are, those are big wins for Kansas City. And honestly, you know, Penning's going to go a lot higher. Don't be overconfident in our own evaluation of Penning. We're lower on him, obviously.

But I think positional value, all that makes sense. Let's go Penninger. Bengals at 31 here, Trev. Spent a lot of money on fixing this offensive line in the pro market. And, you know, obviously good on them in this situation. That board has not fallen the way you'd want it to. Lord knows we can't give them a linebacker. If you give them a linebacker That board is not falling the way you'd want it to. Lord knows we can't give them a linebacker. If you give them a linebacker,

you're not welcome in Cincinnati. You guys live in Cincinnati, so I don't want to do that to you. Oh, man. Could they go Kenyon Green here? Kenyon Green's still on the board. Kenyon Green is on the board. I think that's where I'd go. I would say it's either Kenyon Green or Logan Hall.

Let's roll with Kenyon Green. Okay. All right. So Kenyon Green, getting them an interior offensive lineman. And now they're loaded in that group. Not an elite group, but a very different group than last year. You attacked the offseason the way you needed to, getting Kenyon Green there.

That is a job well done for the Cincinnati Bengals. What do you all think? I don't hate that, man. Kenyon Green, go in and get him. I think that's not a bad piece. They've added so much to the offensive line, though, that I think a dream scenario for them is to go corner. If Andrew Booth was available, I'd slam dunk Andrew

Booth, but Kyra Elam's still on the board. I'm leaning Elam over any of the offensive linemen available here. I think Linderbaum, man. Oh, that's right. Linderbaum's still on the board. I'm sorry. Linderbaum's still on the board. I think we have to do it. Linderbaum's in. Let's that's right. Linderbaum's still on the board. I'm sorry. Linderbaum's still on the board. I think we have to do it. Linderbaum's in. Linderbaum's too perfect.

Let's go Lindy. Yeah, too perfect scheme fit. Lindy! Okay, Detroit Lions up at 32. This is the final pick for both of us. Easy one. We had Aiden Hutchinson going at number two overall to the Detroit Lions. They actually had a corner.

They had Sauce Garner. Guys that we have on the board dude it's nicole b dean i mean hold on no wait hold on hold on it could be nicole b dean but it could also be wait for it louisine sure this is what we would Mark. They need a linebacker like they need oxygen and a damn good one is staring them in the face and you get them for five years. This is, I would, let me put it like this.

I don't know if I trust letting Jacksonville pick at 33, not taking Dean or trading that pick to somebody taking dean that i'd say i will take him at 34 i would take nicobe dean i like dean here too i know we're picking next but it's gonna be hard for us to pass on dean i think yeah we'll see tbd i got another guy who is jackson mills linebackers well they just they just paid one a ton of money that's foyer luiken boy boy aluicon in the building playing mike they're not gonna take dean oh man stack quarterman that group is not that group's still not good he is solidified dude what are you talking about he's the heart and soul of the jackson City. No, I can't. Okay, all right.

Fine, N'Kobe Dean. After all of that, folks. I like Louisine. I think it could be a great pick for him, but we'll go N'Kobe Dean. N'Kobe Dean feels like a good Dan Campbell guy, too. All right, N'Kobe Dean. I kind of want to go Dean here, too. I also love Petrie here.

I think Petrie is an option. If Jackson Hill was on the board, I think he'd be an option. Do you guys still have Louis Scene on the board? You could consider Burks. We don't have Scene on the board. I lost Rock, Paper, Scissors, and the Saints overdrafted Louis Scene because of that. He wasn't thrilled.

Where are you going? Where are you thinking? The other guy I had in my head was Sam Hollider. Oh, okay. Draft a quarterback because give him a red shirt year behind Jared Goff because you're too good of a team to draft next year. You're not going to be in the quarterback class next year. Sure, you can build this great roster and try to find one. But again, you're Detroit. With the history you have, you're just not going to be a destination franchise, more

likely than not. So draft a quarterback here, develop it. You get the fifth year option, pick 32. That's where my head's at. Andicobe and nicobe dean like they mentioned the jaguars foyer lucan's 215 pounds you're gonna pair nicobe dean with foyer lucan 250 pounds 225 pounds 215 that's the lightest linebacker in the nfl if you did that so uh i think they would elsewhere i think i'm down for how i like how i think the i've liked that since the jump i think you go back to like early january it like, don't go quarterback at two. Don't go quarterback at two. If you're going to take QB, go at 32.

That's what this class builds out to be. Howell, I think we're higher on than the media. I think he'll still be available at 32. I think we go Howell. Give him a redshirt year behind the Jared Goff. There you go. All right. Round two.

There it is. The dueling mock drafts. Okay. Sicko. I'm going to read off our picks, and then one of you guys could read off your picks just to recap it is. The dueling mock drafts. OK, go. I'm going to I'm going to read off our picks and then one of you guys could read off your picks just to recap it for everybody. And maybe we can get the producer to throw them up there and follow along. But at number one overall.

Now, remember, this is a what Connor and I would do mock draft. And then you guys got to vote. Who's better? The Jags. We had them take the cave on Thibodeau. Number one, Lions. Number two, Aiden Hutchinson. Iki Okwunu, three to the Texans.

Evan Neal, four to the New Orleans Saints in a trade with the New York Jets. Number five. Giants selected Charles Cross. Vikings at six. Traded with the Panthers. They took Derek Stingley Jr. Ahmad Garner to the Giants at seven. Garrett Wilson to the Falcons at eight.

Jermaine Johnson to the Seahawks at nine. Drake London to the Jets at ten. Jameson Williams at the Commanders to number 11. Malik Willis, 12, to the Carolina Panthers. Kyle Hamilton, 13, to the Texans. Jordan Davis, 14, to the Ravens. Eagles at 15 took Trent McDuffie. Jets at 16.

Trayvon Walker, big fall for him there in our mock draft. Chris Olave at 17 to the Chargers. Devontae Wyatt to the Eagles at 18. Jets at 19 took Tyler Linderbaum. Bernard Raymond at 20 to the Steelers. At 21, the Patriots took Devin Lloyd at 22. The Packers took Traylon Burks, 23. Cardinals took Zion Johnson, 24.

Tyler Smith to the Cowboys, 25. Andrew Booth to the Bills, 26. Titans took Trevor Penning, 27. Bucks took Travis Jones, 28. Daxton Hill to the Packers, 29 and 30 to the Chiefs. We've got George Pickens and George Karloftis. Wow, the two Georges. I didn't even put that together.

You absolutely love to see it. 31, we had Canyon Green going to the Bengals, and then to round it out, we had N'Kobe Dean going at number 32. All right, should I read ours off, Mike, here? If we can get flipped to ours, producer Mike Quinn, monster shout-out. We had the Aiden Hutchinson going number one overall to the Jags. Ahmaud Garner, Cincinnati corner, going to the Detroit Lions, which you've rarely seen in this pre-draft process.

Evan Neal, offensive tackle, Alabama, going to the Houston Texans. Kayvon Thibodeau, edge, Oregon, going to the Jets. Charles Cross, offensive tackle, second one off the board, going to the New York Giants. Then we had Iki Okwunu going to the Panthers at six. Derek Stingley, Jr., cornerback, LSU, to the Giants at seven. That gives them Cross and Stingley. Jamison Williams, wide receiver, Alabama.

First off the board goes to the Atlanta Falcons at eight. Trayvon Walker, a slip and a slide to number nine, the Seattle Seahawks. Drake London, USC wide out goes to the 10 to the Jets. That gives the Jets Kayvon Thibodeau and Drake London in the first round. We had Kyle Hamilton going to the Washington Commanders. Safety out of Notre Dame at 11. Minnesota Vikings at 12. Grabbed Garrett Wilson, wide receiver Ohio State.

One of my favorite picks in the first round. George Karloftis, edge Purdue. Goes to the Houston Texans at 13. Trent McDuffie, cornerback Washington to the Baltimore Ravens at 14. Jordan Davis, defensive tackle Georgia. Going to Philly at 15. Saints grab Bernard Ryman, Central Michigan offensive tackle at 16. Chris Olave, receiver.

Ohio State goes to Chargers at 17. No Jamison Williams. They go Olave. Another one of my favorite picks, Andrew Booth Jr., Clemson, going to the Philadelphia Eagles at 18. Bit of a reach, but at 19, the New Orleans Saints grab Louis Seen,

safety of Georgia. Pittsburgh Steelers grab Malik Willis, quarterback of Liberty. Patriots grab linebacker Utah, Devin Lloyd. Tyler Smith, the Tulsa offensive tackle, young and rising. Going to the Green Bay Packers, probably slots into guard to start. 23, Devontae Wyatt, defensive tackle Georgia. Going to the Arizona Cardinals.

24, Dallas Cowboys, Jermaine Johnson. What a slide for the Florida State Edge. At 25, Zion Johnson, Boston College interior offensive lineman, goes to the Buffalo Bills. At 26, Tennessee Titans grab Travis Jones, defensive tackle out of UConn, 27. Daxton Hill, slot corner safety prospect out of Michigan, goes to the Bucs at 28. Wide receiver Sky Moore goes ahead of Traylon Burks and pushes him into the second round because the Chiefs at 29 grab George Pickens, wide receiver Georgia.

Then at 30, the Chiefs again. Trevor Penning, offensive tackle Northern Iowa, 31. What a value for the Cincinnati Bengals, the hometown Cincinnati Bengals, getting Linderbaum, Northern Iowa. 31, what a value for the Cincinnati Bengals, the hometown Cincinnati Bengals, getting Linderbaum out of Iowa. And then at 32, Detroit Lions, Sam Howell, quarterback, UNC. The tailgate boys are stuffing the ballots here. They're winning the polls so far.

58% to 42. The real winner, if you've been paying attention in the YouTube chat, is Walt. I don't know if you guys have... There's this guy, Walt, who hates every pick we make and tags Pro Football Focus and says, stop embarrassing yourself. I'm in love.

If it's not my dad, I'd be upset. But that's a phenomenal, phenomenal message here. If he wasn't your dad before the show, he is now. He is now. He certainly is now. i hope you guys listening and watching enjoyed that that was a lot of fun for us you know it was a little bit longer

uh than a normal podcast but you figured that would be the case with two live mock drafts going on mike and austin thank you guys so much for joining us this was this is a ton of fun we'll have to pop over on the tailgate pod sometime hopefully you guys uh will have us we didn't embarrass ourselves too much here but this is great boys appreciate you hopping on absolutely thanks for having us all right connor well that's it for us today but tuesday tuesday's episode is still coming and we are picking up the guest mock draft series it is the final week of the guest mock draft series which means you're gonna have an episode on tuesday you're gonna have an episode on Thursday, and you're going to have a bonus episode for the people coming to finish it all off on Saturday. That's all coming to you this week. Thanks for listening to the NFL Stock Exchange. We'll see you guys next time. Thank you.