NFL Stock Exchange: An NFL Draft Podcast - 65. Re-Drafting the NFL (Madden Franchise Mode Style)

Episode Date: July 11, 2022

Hosts Trevor Sikkema and Connor Rogers put every player in the NFL in a giant pool and draft the league from scratch using the 2022 draft order. Which QB goes first in a full-league re-draft? When is the first non-QB taken? The duo go through the firsts 32 picks for every team in the league to answer that question themselves.

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It's awesome. Sign up now at youtube.com slash BS, device and content restrictions apply. Local and national games on YouTube TV. NFL Sunday ticket for out-of-market games excludes digital-only games. Welcome to the NFL Stock Exchange podcast. Boy, do we have a treat for you today. If you've ever played Madden before, that's right, any Madden game basically ever, you know of Madden's franchise draft mode and you also know about the fantasy draft tab in franchise mode that is where they take every single player in the league put them

in a giant pool and they just have teams start selecting them who goes number one number two a full league redraft and Connor and I are doing that today on this extended pretty long episode here we're just going we're not picking the entire league obviously we're just going through what would be the first round we're using the 2022 nfl draft order we're going from number one the jacksonville jaguars all the way down to number 32 the los angeles rams every single team we're giving teams back their original picks so every team in the NFL gets a selection. Who would they pick? Who would we have them pick if every single player were made available? It's going to be a lot of fun.

I'm Trevor. With me, as always, is my co-host, Connor Rogers. Let's ring the bell. Welcome to the opening bell of the NFL Stock Exchange podcast. I'm Trevor Sykema. That's Connor Rogers. We've got a fun podcast for you guys today. Basically, redrafting the entire NFL. If you guys have ever played a Madden franchise before and you've selected the little franchise draft or fantasy draft tab,

that's essentially what we're doing. We're going through the first round. Every single player is in a giant pool pool and we're taking the 2020 draft order and just absolutely putting the league into chaos, switching everything up, seeing who goes where and honestly seeing what Connor and I think of some of the best players in the league age included, all that kinds of stuff.

It's going to be a good time. Connor, I don't know if you've noticed, but my camera looks a little different in this episode. We're having camera issues. So I hope that's all right. You taking the full undisputed crown of having the best camera on this show for this episode. I don't feel good about it because you've just been going through it. Whether it was the power being out, then the camera, the camera needing a repair. I'm not going to stunt on this one at all, but I am excited for today's show because this is something that

I think every NFL fan, maybe not the ones that root for consistent contenders. Like if you're a Chiefs fan right now or a Bills fan right now, you probably would not hope for an entire franchise draft to blow it up. But for the most part, I think this is something that every NFL fan at some point of their life, especially those of us like you and i that have played madden everybody that listens to this show knows obviously when we get into the quiet time of the year right now there's a little bit of a video game influence on this show what it would be like to just blow the league up and start over and say okay here's the draft order and now everybody

makes their first pick because trevor, it's obviously talent. It's obviously quarterback position very early at some point. That clip is going to fall off. But you have cap implications here. You have age implications here. You have so many different things why this is such a unique exercise. It would be a blast to do it for like five rounds, but we just don't have that kind of time. Right.

We don't have that kind of time right now. Maybe we can expand upon this in the future we could turn it into a like a multi-episode or listeners can but they're great at that yeah you guys can build off of it we we know that y'all aren't afraid to put our ideas into madden anyways so uh starting this off i think that uh i think you guys have a lot of creativity in this but no i'm excited about it you and i are big madden fans i mean you and i talked i think it was off camera sometime last week when we were in the pre-show what we're doing right before we recorded and we talked about how like sometimes we wouldn't even play the games in madden's franchise mode we we would just draft and then like shape the team up

simulate it draft again and set the hot dog prices with your new roster and start over again man r.i.p really good owner franchise mode oh man those were the days those are the no but i'm excited about this one there's a lot of things to think about and i i'm looking forward to in this podcast figuring out when you mentioned it when does the quarterback run stop right when do we start thinking of okay this this quarterback's really talented he's a little bit older i think i'm gonna go for the first defensive player on the off the board the first wide receiver something like that i'm i'm very intrigued because you and i were gonna ping pong this we're you know we'll collab it a little bit i guess when we're throwing names out there

but essentially you're drafting one team i'm drafting another we'll do the whole odds and evens thing we're using the 2022 draft order but it's it's actually funny that you talked about like bills fans probably aren't going to be happy because we're going to have josh allen go off the board way before the bills pick it's like uh when we were doing the what was the 2020 redraft yeah it's like you don't win here for for some of you teams that right right no bat. No, it was the 2019 draft. Which draft was Herbert? Am I an idiot? That was the 2019 draft, right?

Or was it 2020? Oh, man. No, it's 2020. It was 2020. It was 2020. The pandemic draft, the virtual draft. And I had Chargers fans were tweeting at us when we were doing that redraft episode, and they were like, hey, no offense.

Love you guys. I'm not watching this episode. I'm done. I don't need this. We don't get Justin Herbert in this episode. So I was like, you know what? That's fair. But hopefully you guys can still not watching this episode yeah i'm done i don't need this justin herbert in this episode so i was like you know what that's fair but hopefully you guys can still be entertained by this when it's league wide and uh we're shaking it up which is gonna be a lot of fun before we get to it gotta read everybody's favorite uh everybody's favorite copy gentlemen talking to you all men strive for gold in their life right gold medals gold watches gold everything

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Yeah, I think the first pick forces you to make a choice. I think the second pick does not i think the second pick will be very obvious based on what happens in the first pick i'd love to be wrong we'll see so number one chuck did we here's my weekend brain fried moment of the show did we even explain how we're doing the order it's as simple as it is the 2022 draft order yeah and every team has their original pick so don't worry if you're a rams fan you are a part of this show enjoy it you are a part of this show you will have to make a pick at 32 you did not trade all your picks in this scenario every team i can't guarantee you're getting aaron donald

or jalen ramsey yeah yeah you're not you're not making out like bandits here okay you'll get uh you will get a pick in this draft yes we're using the 2022 draft order we thought that we would just keep it simple that way um teams that need the most help still with ownership coaching whatever yeah there's a lot of problems still at the top they still get the very top we could have oh you know what we could have done we could have done like a ping pong randomizer you know like for like order but i feel like that i feel like that would have dragged the podcast on a little bit there's that and then the fact is i I'm going to be a little honest, there's bias to the bad teams in the NFL at the moment because they are the ones that probably listen to this show the most

during the draft. It's just true. Like, this is being honest. And then, well, you'll eventually graduate, some of you. You've done this with Locked On. I've done this with Stick to Football. Like, the Lions at number two. Hopefully the Lions graduate from picking in the top ten, and then we still hope you always listen to our show but you're not like

oh my god what are they doing at 30 right before like okay so I have Jacksonville's first overall pick and you better not blow it they need it they need to get this run right obviously it's going to be a quarterback there's no secrets there. It was down to two players for me and a couple runners up after that. But it's between Patrick Mahomes and Josh Allen, and I'm taking Mahomes. And when you look at it, obviously Mahomes has already won a Super Bowl.

I understand he's, you could say as many times as you want, Mahomes was drafted into an elite circumstance and worked with Andy Reid and has all this talent around him. At the end of the day, Mahomes has been an absolute rock star right away. He's 26 years old. He'll turn 27 this September. So the age thing didn't really concern. You have two guys that are under 30 years old.

Josh Allen just turned 26 in May. So he is younger. There's no doubt about that. I think Josh Allen just turned 26 in May so he is younger there's no doubt about that I think Josh Allen is the better runner of the two but I just look at what Mahomes has already accomplished and what's ahead of him uh and obviously you and I are we're not drafting contracts really into this at the moment now when you look at Mahomes's contract it is going to age like wine in my opinion when the quarterbacks start to surpass him and the fact that the way the structure of that deal,

I actually think for the player he is at his age, that deal is fine. So Jacksonville takes Mahomes. He's already won a Super Bowl. He can go down as one of the great ones, honestly, when all is said and done, and I had to make him the number one overall pick. Yeah, obviously number two is the Detroit Lions, and you're right. It was down to two quarterbacks to start this draft off.

I'm taking Josh Allen as well. You can talk about the other quarterbacks, and I'm not giving anything away. Some of the younger guys that you absolutely love, the Joe Burrows, the Justin Herberts. If you want to throw Lamar Jackson in there, a former MVP already, right, how much he changes the game when you have a great offense built around him and utilize his talents a lot. So, I mean, like those are the guys that are in the conversation.

I assume that those were a handful of the guys that you talked about just being outside, but there's not really anybody else in that number one tier. If the league was restarting today, it really would be between these two quarterbacks. And it's funny, you and I said that we were going to do this topic. And I was thinking earlier today, I was like, if I get the number one pick, I'm picking Josh Allen. I'm doing it.

I'm shaking it up. It's closer than people think. I'm making a statement. I'm picking Josh Allen. And the more I thought about it, the more I was like, it really is dead even between these two guys right now. You truly, at least I think, there is no wrong answer between the two. I agree.

But Mahomes has the Super Bowl, right? Mahomes has the MVP. Mahomes does have those accomplishments that you are shooting for, and I believe that Josh Allen can absolutely achieve those as well. He's within the conversation. But I think I would have I I don't know what the pressure was like being a number one because you just took it from me but I think if I was in your chair I would have made the same decision Patrick Mahomes would have went number one and I think

it's an obvious one that the Detroit Lions have to pick Josh Allen here at number two in this franchise draft fantasy draft here so quarterbacks they go one and two and i don't think there's a big disagreement here yeah i think the it's really tough right it's really nitpicking these guys are special they're the two in my opinion most valuable players of the league i think in in terms of i would agree everything talent. Talent, resume, age, value. That's what value is. Honestly, when it comes down to it, that's what value is. Leadership, face of the franchise, all those things.

You know, Mahomes has a bigger sample size. I didn't, like, ultimately decide this. He does have a bigger sample size than Josh Allen, but both of them have shown what they are. So, no surprise, I think, for anybody listening to the show that Mahomes went number one at Jacksonville, and the Lions, you have them what they are. So no surprise, I think for anybody listening to the show that Mahomes went number one at Jacksonville and the Lions, you have them taking Josh Allen. I guess this is where it gets interesting, right? There are a lot of different arguments you can have here at number three for the draft really does start at three. It does really does start

at three kind of knew how one and two would go. Now you get into a situation that i'm gonna be honest this one this one's very difficult to me it's down to three guys and i'm i'm not gonna spoil it uh i'm gonna just say it outright who i'm taking i'm taking joe burrow in this spot a young a young quarterback that you know we we saw the national title run we saw the out of nowhere run to the super bowl and they came up short but what this guy does to elevate everywhere he goes is just unbelievable i think when you look at burrow he obviously has incredible ball placement incredible touch thrower incredible mental processing he has good feet in the pocket he's somebody that guys just love to play. I mean, adore.

They adore him. And I think when you think of face of the franchise, when you get outside the obvious of Mahomes and Allen, I don't think there is a better guy going forward to handle that role than Joe Burrow. And I know there'll be people here that, you know, argue for the athleticism and the rocket arm and the raw talent of Justin Herbert.

And I won't push back against you. But and I know it's cliche to say and it's it's borderline stupid a lot of the times. But for Joe Burrow, it is not stupid. He is born to win. He is somebody that I truly believe whatever situation he's put in, he will give you the largest win output for himself. He is walking war, right? The stat war. The fact that the guy is, he makes the

most out of what's around him. And it's been really good, whether it was LSU or now the Bengals. Although when you look at that offensive line last year, you could counter that there was a giant weakness. I love Joe Burrow's game. I love Joe Burrow's attitude. And maybe he's a surprise pick at three, but I'm very happy with that one for the time. I don't know if I would say that it's just a surprise pick at three. You know know if we knew that there was going to be a debate at number one and number two between patrick mahomes and josh allen i think that everybody knew the debate was coming between joe burrow and uh and justin herbert and i think that i wasn't sure if we were going to land at this at three four i probably figured that we were going to but maybe it could have

been a four five um it would have been somewhere in the top five that we were getting both of these quarterbacks off the board and uh doug kai who does a great job covering the league for pff he wrote an article a couple of months ago where he asked people in the league he asked coaches he asked scouts if you guys had the choice who would you take joe burrow or justin her? And he said that two-thirds of his polling said that they would take Joe Burrow over Justin Herbert. And I think a lot of people were shocked by that, right? And it's, you know, you mentioned it there. You look at the tools and just the raw overall physical gifts that Justin Herbert has, and you figure more people would gravitate towards that

in a vacuum but when you look at what Joe Burrow has done even going back to LSU and just how unbelievably captivating that final season was for him there that propelled them to a national championship to a perfect season to a Heisman to a number one overall selection then you have him going through his lumps as a rookie behind a terrible offensive line and then elevating that offense to the point where the Bengals made the damn Super Bowl last year. That stuff that, it's quantifiable what he brings and how good he is at this quarterback thing, man.

So I really do. I think I would be taking Justin Herbert between these two guys but again it's splitting hairs you putting Joe Burrow at number three means that your New York Jets will be getting Justin Herbert because I'm taking him right after here anyway so I I thought that the top five was probably going to be either all five quarterbacks or at least four quarterbacks we're going to get in there. We're four for four right now. You end up taking Joe Burrow one spot ahead of Justin Herbert.

But, man, for what Herbert showed last year, especially down the stretch, that last game of the season against the Raiders was some of the most incredible under pressure football I've I have I have seen from a quarterback I truly and I I don't mean that as hyperbolic I'm not trying to over exaggerate it Justin Herbert in that game basically had five or six big throws, not just check down throws, not just easy throws, big time throws where his back was against the wall. And it was essentially,

Justin, if you don't complete this pass, your season's over. And he had five or six of those passes in that single game. It was one of the most incredible quarterback performances I've ever seen. It was a great way to end the season. I hope he picks off right where he left off, because if he does, we're in for a special year from him.

We're in for a special career for him. I have to go Justin Herbert, I think, here for the New York Jets, number four in this redraft. I think so. I think it would be pretty tough. There are a few other directions that you could have went and you wouldn't have been crazy. There was compelling arguments for them,

but this was the one that had the best argument when you put in the age, the raw tools. Obviously, he's another guy that can lead your franchise. Guys really, really like him, and he does everything the right way. Obviously, once again, he's kind of the closest thing in terms of Allen, where you have that size, mobility, rocket arm. Joe Burrow's in a little bit of different mold than those guys. So now we get into the Giants at pick five. And I don't think anybody would be surprised that some order of Mahomes, Allen, Burrow, and Herbert

went in the top four. I do think the quarterback train keeps rolling. I don't think we're going to get off of that just yet. Although, obviously, there are some players that make it difficult but just with how important the position is in the league yep the giants at five this is one and that's what we got to be doing right i mean it's not like we're trying to slight anybody but we are going through this exercise building a franchise that's what that's what we're doing there's a reason why

quarterbacks if they are talented enough in the class, they go number one. That's just what happens. They always go number one because that's what teams are always shooting for. So I think that we're going to – I agree. I figured that the run on quarterbacks would continue, but I'm curious to hear who you bring into the table here. Yeah, so for me, this was really difficult, but I'm going to end up going with Dak Prescott.

Oh, nice. It was really difficult because there's a lot to argue here with two guys. For me, it was Dak and Lamar Jackson. And Lamar Jackson is significantly younger. I think if you said that to somebody, they would be like, what do you mean significantly younger? Lamar Jackson turned 25 already this year. Right. younger. Lamar Jackson turned 25 already this year, right? And Dak Prescott in about two and a half weeks is going to turn 29. So you're talking about a four year difference, which does matter

in this exercise, but you always are going to have the people that wonder, and I don't know if I agree with this yet, but there are people that will wonder how Lamar's game will age, right? Because obviously at quarterback position, legs are the thing that ages. And I'm not saying Lamar is just a runner. Lamar has shown to have an incredible amount of talent as a passer, but what makes Lamar a potential top five pick in this exercise, AKA a top five most valuable player in the league and not that long ago, the most valuable player in the NFL is that he can beat you with his legs, like a running back. And he can beat you with his arm,

like a franchise quarterback. So I think he, the youth argument with him isn't as strong. It's strong, but it wasn't enough to just sway me away from taking Dak here with this pick. And I think Dak is one of those guys that he's been one of those guys that is on every stupid sports talk show in the morning.

Like, is he good? Is he bad? Is he good? Is he bad? And it's every single summer. I don't really know how anybody could sit here and look at Dak Prescott's resume at this point and make an argument that he's not good.

It's insane to me at this point. I mean, you're looking at 37 touchdowns 10 picks last year yeah uh somebody that should hover around 5 000 yards week in and week out in the 17 game season or year in and year out in a 17 game season a player that i think is once again fits that mold of really tough really respected um can pick up the tough yards with his legs, has a big body to hold up for a very long time. He plays around 235 pounds, big-bodied quarterback.

And I think he's a guy that is just, is the definition of franchise quarterback, is somebody that you can rely on. So I liked Dak in this spot. I valued him in this spot. I valued him in this spot. I'm sure some people don't. I'm sure there's some people that said, I wouldn't take him in the top eight picks or 10 picks.

But for me, Dak was the guy after those big four that we keep mentioning that I think will never be a player to have that down year. He will always be a top eight quarterback, top 10 quarterback going forward for the next five to eight years. I also would have picked Dak Prescott. So you're not going to get a lot of push to eight years. I also would have picked Dak Prescott. So I'm,

we're, you're not going to get a lot of pushback from me. I think the Dak gets, I think Dak gets unnecessary hate because he plays for the Cowboys. That's a good point. I really do. It's a different spotlight. Yep.

I think that if Dak Prescott now, to be fair, like when Dak has also done well, it helps him playing for the Cowboys, right? I mean, like playing in Dallasallas has its advantages and disadvantages but i think ultimately dac definitely especially in an exercise like this

where you are you are comparing him against the best of his peers in a league redraft format i think some people would listen to this podcast and they might be a little shocked that dac prescott's coming off the board at five i i also would have picked him at five. I think that he's an incredible quarterback. I think he gives you so much ability, but the other quarterback, the guy that I would have debated here is the former MVP. It is Lamar Jackson. And I'm with you totally. So in this top five, we've got the Jacksonville Jaguars going Patrick Mahomes. We've got the Detroit lions going Josh Allen,

Houston Texans with Joe burrow, new york jets getting justin herbert giants got that prescott now the panthers at six i'm gonna have them taking lamar jackson i know that we're a couple years removed from that mvp season when it looked like he was absolutely invincible and there was nothing the league could do to stop him and he had what was it 36 touchdowns and hold on i got his stats right here. 36 touchdowns, six interceptions, had over 1,200 rushing yards that season. I mean, he was a monster. He was truly unstoppable.

The next year was a little bit of a downtick. It was only 26 passing touchdowns, nine interceptions. So a little bit less than a little bit more in both of those categories, a little bit less rushing yards at 1,000 as well. Same 15 games played each of those times. And then last year only played in 12 games. It was, it was 16 touchdowns. It was 13 interceptions. It was nothing close to what it was before,

but I truly believe that this is still one of the elite talents in this league. I really do. You simply cannot teach what Lamar brings to the table. And I get it. Some people, you know, we've talked a lot about guys contracts and what, what do you give Lamar? How much do you give lamar how much do you give him in guaranteed do you give him as much as some of those elite top five quarterbacks the rest of the nfl i think a lot of that is certainly to be figured out in the details because teams are always going to look for what they want lamar is obviously going to get try to get as much as he possibly

can so a lot of a lot of the final numbers if you will that you come to is simply more of a compromise than anything else ultimately i would tell you that again not many people can bring to the table what lamar brings to the table and when i say not many people as a rushing threat it's basically like him and then maybe josh allen maybe like i don't i don't consider I don't consider Kyler Murray that caliber of potential passer that Lamar could be or I should say I don't I don't consider him that caliber of an x-factor dual threat weapon I think Lamar is significantly higher than Kyler Murray so the only other one that I would say could bring both of an elite rushing level and an elite passing level to the table is probably Josh Allen so that's why I couldn't let Lamar slide any further than sixth.

He's too talented for it. So six picks down, six quarterbacks off the board. I'm curious if you're picking another one here at number seven for the Chicago Bears. I am, and I like that you took Lamar there. He was the no-brainer to be that sixth pick. I wouldn't let him get past seven if he made it here. I think he gets slept on because, you know,

slept on in a way that he's so young still. Seven for me, I guess this is the first real surprise pick, maybe. I'm taking Matthew Stafford in this spot at seven. Oh, shoot. And that's, I guess the overs in the situation is I took him over Kyler Murray. I took him over two to three years of Aaron Rodgers, right? I took him over. Oh, man.

And this is strictly looking at the quarterback situation here. Two to three years of Aaron Rodgers, right? I took him over. Oh, man. And this is strictly looking at the quarterback situation here. Took him over Russell Wilson. Maybe that's a surprise to some people, although, you know, they're about the same age. Russ is 33. He'll turn 34 this year. Stafford already turned 34 this year. So, same age.

They both had injury history. So, you know, whatever there. I just think we saw Stafford. I've always been a stafford guy and me too people people who people who go back to locked on nfl draft there was a heated debate with me and ben on who was the better quarterback not who had the better career it was like who was the better talent at quarterback and it was Matt Ryan or Matthew Stafford and we were obviously arguing back and forth before last season yeah yeah Stafford so uh I didn't I didn't have nearly as much ammunition outside of just saying I think Stafford's a more talented quarterback than Matt Ryan was and uh now I feel a little bit more validated a year later after

having that debate but I'm still shocked that you picked him. Oh, you are? Okay. I mean, that's, you know, to quote Nick Cage from Saturday Night Live, it's high praise. It's high praise for Matthew Stafford here. I mean, coming off a, you know, borderline career year at around 5,000 yards, 41 touchdowns, 17 picks. I just, I don't know what more you want to see. He goes to the Rams after spending his entire career in Detroit on a lot of bad teams.

I know they were a really good football team, but they won the Super Bowl and Super Bowls are often remembered about nine out of 10 of them are remembered for what the quarterback did. And Matthew Stafford last year was uh excellent with Sean McVay and I think he's somebody that has a lot of good football left in him where he warrants the spot you can go very far with Matthew Stafford as your quarterback as long as you have a decent head coach so this one for me and I just want to remind this is the Bears picking here at seven so the Bears get seven get Matt Stafford at seven. The quarterback run continues.

If this isn't enough, we always say he's underrated, he's underrated. Now he won the Super Bowl, he's not. But this is just to continue that praise. He goes in the top seven. You know, now that I think about it, would the Bears pick Aaron Rodgers? Would they even pick Aaron Rodgers? Is that something like you're like could you like a no go with it could they be okay with aaron rogers being their quarterback like vikings brett farve

right yeah that's like the kind of thing you're looking at in this situation i'm taking rogers off the board here at number eight for the atlanta falcon okay i was wondering when that would happen i've got i've got to do it and i get it you know we talked at the beginning of the podcast there's a lot of factors that are going to go into it uh aaron rogers is almost 40 right is he 39 or is he 40 he's 38 okay so he's 38 so he's got a couple of years before he's 40 enhances your argument it does enhance my well i mean look tom brady has skewed what all of us believed about any kind of quarterback age, because the man's still playing well into his forties and it's stupid. Rogers has said,

he doesn't really want to play past 40. I think there's a chance that he'll probably play his 40 season, maybe 41st, depending on how he's playing. But all in all, I mean, the man's a back-to-back MVP. I mean,

he's still playing at an unbelievable level. I've said for a long time now, I know I'm not the only one. So I'm not trying to pat myself on the back here, but this is one of the best pure passes of the football we've ever seen in the history of the game, ever. What Aaron Rodgers can do with the ball in his hand is magical. It's unbelievable.

I still think he has plenty of juice left in the tank. And even if you told me, Trev, you get three years of Aaron Rodgers, he's probably going to decline a little bit as we get to that third year there redraft format i don't care i'm taking it trust your team building put a put a mvp caliber super bowl caliber quarterback on the franchise you get three years of one of the best winning windows of any team in the league you trust your team building from here on out in the rounds that follow. I think that in a redraft format, Aaron Rodgers still has to go in the top 10, and I'm picking him here at number eight for the Falcons.

I can't disagree with that. I think when you look at it, there's a compelling argument to take him at seven, but it was the Bears, so that made it definitely a little tough. I think it comes down to this right it comes down to you're in the jam chair you and i are in a lot of gm chairs on today's show we always are it comes down to and we're always we are there are no bigger basement gms than trevor and i of course yeah and i don't have a basement i don't think you do either but the the point stands no i'm from florida i don basement. I don't think you do either, but the point stands.

No, I'm from Florida. I don't know what a basement is. Yeah, it's all underwater. We have couch GMing on this show, unlike any other humans on planet Earth. But it's a belief if you can make a roster that can compete for a Super Bowl in two to three years, then you take him once some of the top guys were gone. And you should believe in your ability to do that, especially with a player of that talent. So, all right, number nine is the Bron guys were gone. And you should believe in your ability to do that, especially with a player of that talent.

So, all right, number nine is the Broncos, man. And does this put me in a pickle or what? And you know why? Because I think the most logical selection in this spot is Russell Wilson. Right, right. I think. You know who's picking after the Broncos? Hold on.

I need to look. Oh, Seattle. Is it Seattle? That's unbelievable. So he has to go somewhere boring. Right. He's probably going to go somewhere boring. It's either going to be the ultimate prodigal son returns after three months of hiatus,

or it's going to be, what's the catchphrase in Denver now? Let's ride, right? Let's ride. How could you forget it? He only recorded it 45,000 times. Sorry, I haven't been watching Denver media as much. You're down on your Denver media. They'd just be delaying for a cup, so I'm not really tuning in.

They're going to lose their whole team to free agency this week anyway. Their goal is the Avs. So are the Lightning. Did you see McDonough's gone? Palat's going to lose their whole team to free agency this week anyway. And their goal is the Avs. Well, so are the Lightning. Did you see McDonough's gone? No, you guys are. Halal's going to be gone. You got so much money from the McDonough deal. Teams always help out.

They're like, how much money do you need us to take on? We'll take whatever you need. And then they just get to re-sign everyone. Nick Paul got like a 45-year deal. Nick Paul got like a 45-year deal for like $1 million a year. Anyway, we're going the full hockey podcast again. This is NHL free agency this week, so we were allowed our 30 seconds. Broncos at nine.

There are three routes I can go. Okay. And they're all a quarterback. Can you guess them? I already said one. Okay. One of them is Russell Wilson. The guy they just got.

Okay. What's the other one that's like kind of obvious-ish? Kyler, right? Yep. You're too good there's a mystery option at quarterback i think you actually get it is it brady no that's that makes a lot of sense but no uh oh uh justin fields trevor law, yeah, yeah. You're on it. Why did I guess Justin? Yeah, I don't get it.

Like, you had the process down perfectly. Like, to a T. I did. You're like, a 22-year-old quarterback that was just drafted, had a rough rookie season, but is still immensely talented. Not Trevor Lawrence, not Zach Wilson, not Trey Lance. Not the guy with my own name. But Justin Fields.

Here's why I bring up Lawrence in the conversation. Us as draft guys, and there were not a lot of draft guys that did not think Trevor Lawrence is going to be a great NFL quarterback. I think most of us all thought he was going to be a great NFL quarterback.

One year where Urban Meyer literally poured gasoline around the entire state of Florida and burned that franchise to the ground as much as he could, and Trevor Lawrence happened to struggle at the same time on a bad roster, is that enough

for us to pull all those cards back and say, you know what? I was wrong. I think he sucks. Oh, God, no. No, dude, I had him at like number 21 still on my top 25, under 25 players in the NFL. And everybody was like, why is Lawrence on this list? Recency bias is wild.

Like, come on. Wild. Urban Meyer was truly one of the worst head coaches ever. Ever. Ever. Ever. For one of the worst organizations ever. Yeah, the team, the roster was not any good.

The Jags have been awful for the last four years. Jags fans, you heard me give you praise. I love you all. I really do. He wants you to win a Super Bowl. It's one of the worst organizations in the NFL. No question. Especially when Urban Meyer was there.

I think that they're going in the right direction, which is nice. But all that to say, yes, I still believe in Trevor Lawrence to answer your question. It would be silly to not. So all that being said, because I do want to be realistic and fair here. And I'm sorry this is the boring answer, Broncos fans, but I think it's the right one. I'm going to take Russell Wilson. You have to. But that was the argument

for me that I do want to make very clear on this show today. There is a projection argument somewhere in a fantasy redraft. Franchise redraft. It's not even the clock with Seattle. I think I know where you're going. Do you?

Yeah, I think you're taking Kyler Murray. But if you didn't, I wouldn't blame you. I'll say that. Here's the thing. I like Kyler. I think you're taking Kyler Murray. But if you didn't, I wouldn't blame you. I'll say that. Here's the thing. I like Kyler. I think Kyler's immensely talented. He's an incredibly talented NFL player. I don't know if Kyler's going to ever win a Super Bowl.

I don't know if Kyler is that caliber of a player. I don't. You know what my counter to you is? What? I genuinely think he's going to play baseball someday. And that is in this conversation. This is a franchise redraft. It's true.

You got to think about it. You got to vet it. I think when he gets- You've got to interrogate his friends and family, his closest family members. You got to get them in a room with an old school lamp that you're just like putting straight on them. Does he still take BP in his backyard?

That's the only question we need to answer. In all seriousness, though, I do. And I have no, once again, if he does that, like, good for you, man. It's not an insult. No, it's awesome. But you're not saying that, like, you know what I mean? It is awesome. It it's awesome. But you're not saying that. You know what I mean? It is awesome. It would be awesome. He was a first-round pick in the MLB draft.

This dude is an incredible talent. But it does come into play, I think. I'm taking Trevor Lawrence. I like it, man. That's what I would have done as well. If you heard my last argument. I've got to take Trevor Lawrence. Again, I think Kyler is supremely I like it, man. That's what I would have done as well. If you heard my last argument, that's obviously.

Yeah, I've got to take Trevor Lawrence. Again, I think Kyler is supremely talented. I don't know if he's the quarterback who's going to win you Super Bowl. I don't know if he is. And I think I have more faith in Trevor Lawrence to potentially become that quarterback. And Trevor Lawrence is – Kyler Murray is – he's not old, but what is he? 20 – did he just turn 25?

Kyler – is, he's not old, but what is he? 20, did he just turn 25? Kyler. Is he 26? He's 20, he's turning 25 the first week of August. He's turning, okay. And Trevor Lawrence is what, 21? He's gotta be 21 or 22. Trevor Lawrence, 22. He turns 23 this year, actually.

So he's a year older than I thought he was, but that doesn't change my argument. I'm picking Trevor Lawrence. Yeah, there's not much of an argument there all right now it's getting it's getting interesting let me just say that it is indeed we figured the top 10 would be pretty chalk with quarterback we went 10 for 10 with quarterbacks i know some people look i can already see the comments in the youtube channel people are going to be like well you just drafted quarterbacks i don't know I don't know if you guys sound like that.

You might sound a little bit different. That's the listener voice. But, like, no, I'm just kidding. I love you all. But, come on. You can't not. You can't not. You've got to take a stab at a quarterback.

And, honestly, I feel like we might get half of these next 10 picks might still be quarterbacks as well. It wouldn't shock me. Who are you taking? Who are you taking at number 11? We've got the Washington Commanders. Not a quarterback. It wouldn't shock me. Who are you taking? Who are you taking at number 11? We got the Washington Commanders. Not a quarterback. Not a quarterback at 11.

Okay. And a lot of different names I sorted through. At the end of the day, I go back to Jamar Chase. And I think that he is just so special. And obviously, you can argue Justin Jefferson in this spot. He has the youth and production argument as well. I thought about Jalen Ramsey because there's not a lot of corners in the NFL that can do what he does, but I wouldn't like how that would age.

I think if you're taking the defensive stud, you want the longevity as well. And I don't know if you get that with Ramsey. I'm talking about like blue chip player for the next five to six years like I felt that way about like Miles Garrett right so he was in this conversation but I just look at the way this league is trended towards wide receiver play and I will go back to something I always say I think Joe Burrow and Jamar Chase are going to be the new Matt Ryan and Julio Jones for the next eight years.

And if you're telling me Jamar Chase can be a Julio Jones-level wide receiver, which I truly believe, then he deserves to go in the top 15 of this draft. You're bold, Rogers. I like it, though. I like it. Stick to your guns. You've been big on, you know what?

You've been big this whole summer on taping for giving jamar chase yeah he's absolutely he's unbelievable what you're sticking on brand and uh and i think that that's good all right now now i'm kind of i am i'm at a i'm at a debate with this quarterback or some elite defensive players elite defensive players that are still on the board that we have not uh we have not selected yet yeah you got the you got your entire pick cream of the crop like you can pick whoever you want to me all there to me the quarterbacks at the top that are left are kyler murray and tom brady i think those two quarterbacks are the ones that i think i would take over some of those elite defensive players that are there but you only get brady for one year right you

only get brady for one year right and you got to put the right team around him still tom brady he's so good yeah it's still tom brady he's so good we can't let him go to the second round in this or else somebody wins the entire no no no no tom tom brady's getting picked eventually i think i have to go with kyler i just i just went against kyler when i picked trevor lawrence and now it's gonna be kind of silly that i'm sitting here picking him but just going back to the theory, man, you, you, you've got to start something with a really good, with a quarterback that you think can win.

And even though I think that Trevor Lawrence has a better chance of winning Superbowl someday than Kyler Murray, again, I tried to make it seem like it's not that I don't think Kyler Murray is good. I'm just worried. And maybe, maybe the cliff Kingsbury effect kind of like has me worried, just like everything that's going on in Arizona. Maybe maybe if he was somewhere else i trusted a little bit more i think i've got to go kyler i think i have to go kyler i think so too you you you watch the first what was it eight nine games of him last year and what the arizona cardinals were doing and he was

playing i mean he was the front runner basically for mbp after eight weeks in the season and so i don't want to take that away from him at all. The skepticism that I have for Arizona succeeding with that organization and with maybe Cliff Kingsbury as well, I don't want it to get too far on one side. He's still supremely talented. He won a Heisman. He went number one overall.

I think I got to pick him here for the Vikings at number 12. So we'll go back to quarterback, and I will take Kyler Murray off the board. All right, number 13, the Browns are on the clock here and I am going to get off the quarterback path one more time here. Well, second time of this draft. I took Jamar Chase at 11 in the Commanders. You went Kyler Murray to the Vikings. Now back to wide receiver going with Justin Jefferson here.

I think the argument for Chase and Jefferson is kind of the same where they are both insanely young, insanely, insanely young, where, you know, they can be cornerstone franchise pieces for a long time at the age they're at. You got a guy like Justin Jefferson that just turned 23 this summer. You can build your entire offense around both of them and you can ask them to do really anything you want, whether it's work the short game, excellent route runners to get open in the intermediate area or win vertically down the field.

And I think with Justin Jefferson, he is somebody that shows he can shoulder the load. He can carry the target share as well as anybody in football right now. So I think I value the premium wide receiver label of Jefferson and Chase that I think are in a class of their own when you also factor in age.

I know a lot of people will point it, you know, Tyreek Hill, Devontae Adams, I totally get that. When you factor in age value here as well, I think these guys to me are a little bit more enticing than taking the tier of quarterback that we're at right now. I have not selected a non-quarterback yet in this draft and uh and i am going to select one here for the baltimore ravens number 14 i'm gonna go with miles garrett just built different baby i

mean there's there's no there's no other way to say it. I could have easily gone with TJ Watt here as well. One of the greatest players in this league, no doubt about it. I'm sure that we're going to get his name off not too far after this one. But just going over to the defensive side of the ball, we also have not picked a defensive player. So Miles Garrett being the first one off the board, 26 years old, unbelievably talented, feels like truly unmatched. It it just it does not feel like there are many offensive linemen at all that can handle miles garrett you know it's always got to be

something where it's it's a full cohesive team unit you're chipping them you got a tight end over there you know the guards helping out whatever it one guy simply does not stop miles garrett and i don't think that that's stopping anytime soon he's a uh true marvel of a of a talented player and and like i jokingly but not jokingly said at the beginning he's he is truly built different so i i gotta go with miles garrett we're gonna get him off in the top 15 and we'll have him go number 14 to the baltimore ravens as the first ed is the first defender in this draft here off the board but not not the last, because I'm going defense as well. 15, the Miami Dolphins are on the clock. You went defender.

You went edge pass rusher. I'm going the same route, dude. I'm going with Nick Bosa in this spot. I think when you look at it, you said Miles Garrett is 26. We know what kind of talent he is. Nick Bosa is 24 and is coming off a 15 and a half sack season. So good. Coming off of a season-ending surgery.

That's insane. That tells you that both rattle. This could be a 20-sack guy. He's a special talent, much like Miles Garrett. These are the two edge guys. You have TJ Watt as well. There's a couple really good ones that are still really young, but it kind of goes back to the Justin Jefferson,

Jamar Chase argument, right, where you're looking for premium age, premium production, cornerstone piece for a long time. You got that for the Ravens and Miles Garrett. I got that with the Dolphins taking Nick Bosa. There really is a drop-off here at quarterback because I'm looking at these quarterbacks that are left, and I don't mean this was slight to any of them there's just now so many good defensive and offensive players around them where it's a legit

conversation with them now where i think the first 10 quarterbacks that we selected it was kind of no-brainers when you're starting franchises but like you know we've got younger guys like jalen hurts justin fields trey landzack wilson mac jones right like these guys are all on the board But like, you know, we've got younger guys like Jalen Hurts, Justin Fields, Trey Lance, Zach Wilson, Mac Jones, right? Like these guys are all on the board too. If you want to throw him in there, I wouldn't. But if you want to throw him in there, you've got all the guys like Tom Brady, Derek Carr, Matt Ryan. They're still in the fold. I mean, there's a lot of quarterbacks that are still there.

I'm just, I'm not really tempted by them. No. You know? I'm not really tempted by these guys not in the top 15 top 20 it's i i don't know i've gone no i haven't taken a quarterback for a while now yeah since then i was picking in the top 10 i haven't taken one look jalen ramsay's still on the board he's got to go off the board here to the indianapolis colts at 16 he's just too damn talented the position the position is just too important i'm surprised we got this far in the draft it's kind of crazy to say like oh we're picking jalen ramsey 16th in this draft but i don't disagree with a ton of what we've done to this point maybe a couple picks that i might have done differently that you've made and probably it's vice versa as

well but i think jalen has to come off the board here he's just he's way too talented i don't know if you saw that espn article i think jeremy fowler did it where they were polling guys in the league and talking about like how talent like where they would rank the top 10 in corners or whatever and i think the lowest spot that i don't remember if it was a coach or an exec had jalen ramsey was like seventh and if you can name seven better corners than jalen ramsey then uh i don't know how you even you're a liar you're a liar you're a liar that's it there there's there's no chance in hell and i think their reasoning and it was an anonymous quote obviously was you saw what happened to him in the super bowl and that was going to be kind of like what it

was moving forward and it's like what like oh man how do you how do you get there from what yeah how do we get here right how do we get here like is he talking about the play where his like face mask got pulled and he gave up the big catch because his face mask did get pulled well i mean it didn't get called but we can we could call a spade a spade so are you basing the rest of jalen ramsey's career which jalen ramsey is 27 years old you're basing the rest of this elite player's career off of something like that and one yet no i just think that's ridiculous jalen ramsey off the board here to the indianapolis colts in in this region after 16. I like it. We knew he was going to go early with the kind of unique talent he is.

I was having this conversation not that long ago that when you go through the exercise of the concept of number one. Number one wide receiver. The number one corner is almost a lost art in the NFL right now. Right off the top of my head, I have Jalen Ramsey, AJ Terrell has cemented himself as that. There are a couple guys, but it's low. Like, there's a lot of number one wide receivers. I still think fully healthy Trey White, fully healthy Jair shuts down. Totally agree.

Basically the best in the league, but yeah. But man, it's low. There's not many. There's not many. Not a lot of teams have number one corners and so that's what makes him pretty special that's his value proposition 17 the chargers are on the clock and i'm gonna go debo samuel here because this goes back to you're trying to get identity players and with debo i you know when we were doing research for

this i was like man i don't think he he going to get drafted because I just assumed he was older than he is, and he's not. He's 26 years old. So Debo has a lot of really good football in him. We know you can hand him the ball. He's a number one wide receiver when he's used in the wide receiver role. He is a very unique talent. And I think to be drafted in the first round of the franchise redraft, if you are not a quarterback, you need to be a unique talent. And I think to be drafted in the first round of the franchise redraft, if you are not a quarterback,

you need to be a unique talent and all of the guys that have gone already that do that fit that mold. Jamar chase, Justin Jefferson, miles Garrett, Nick Bosa, Jalen Ramsey. They are unique talents in this league that also fit the age demo.

We are targeting early on in this draft. Devo Samuel is the next guy up. That's awesome. I did not. I did not think we were getting Debo in the top 20, man. But you, you look. You love your wide receivers. Connor.

I do. I do. Loves his wife. Look, especially when they can play running back. That's where that's where the league is going. Debo is one of the most incredible offensive players in the league, if you will. And so that's again, high praise for Debo Samuel.

But, man, really fun pick there, getting his name up in the top 20 of this redraft format. Dude, I'm not going to lie to you. I want to pick Aaron Donald here. There's no reason not to. Did Aaron Donald kind of threaten to retire this offseason? I know those voices weren't as loud. Is that the new thing, though? Is that the new – I don't know. It's kind of the new thing this offseason. I know those voices weren't as loud. Is that the new thing, though?

Is that the new – I don't know. It's kind of the new thing. He's 31. And if there were whispers of retirement, how much longer am I getting Aaron Donald? I'm almost treating Aaron Donald at this point like Aaron Rodgers. And Rodgers obviously went high and I made a case for him,

which is why I'm making a case here for Aaron Donald. But Rodgers also plays quarterback. I guess no one's is, I guess no defensive player in the league is as disruptive as Aaron Donald is. He's still playing at an unbelievably high level. I think he could play for as long as he wants. You keep him happy. I think he's got plenty left in the tank for five years at least.

All right. I'll go Aaron Donald. I'll go Aaron Donald here. I thought about T.J. Watt. I've got to get T.J. Watt off the board here pretty soon. But Donald is just, he, again, for how good he is, how dominant he's been throughout his entire career, how unblockable this player is, how unmatched he is at his position.

Yeah, we got to go Donaldald we gotta go donald here we gotta get him off the board at 18 you said you had to get tj watt off the board i'm gonna do that right here at 19 to the eagles he is um incredible incredibly talented he's gonna age really well i think i think he is a guy that even though he turns 28, I think week five or week four or five of the NFL season, pass rushers are kind of a different breed when they can stay healthy. They really get that green light going at 25, 26, and some of them age really, really well. Watt's going to be that kind of guy. He's coming off 22 and a half sacks.

He had 15 the year before that. He had 14 and a half the year before that. I think he's going to be really, really good in his early 30s. I don't worry too much about after two years what is he for this team he's a special player um he does change the game his production is off the charts so I have no problem taking a player his caliber in the top 20 and he is already the third edge pass rusher to go Myles Garrett and Nick Bosa went in front of him yeah Yeah, you absolutely should not have any reservations about that whatsoever. Who do we have now?

Steelers. Steelers are up at number 20. We had a huge quarterback stall here. Yeah. I think rightly so. There's only one guy that I'd be excited to take left. Who's the new guy? Tom Brady.

Well, Brady and then whatever you think of the young guys, like whatever you think of Fields and Wilson. I do believe in both of them. I really do. But there's just better value on the board right now with the variables that those two have attached to them. I'm also looking at offensive line. We haven't had an offensive lineman come off the board yet.

It's not that they're not worthy, Trev. It's that I think you can build a very star, you know, studded one outside of round one. That's kind of the argument. Like, you're going to get really good offensive linemen, I think, if you prioritize that rounds two through four. I think we're getting at least three though off the board, right? Oh yeah.

There's one that I would not let escape out of round one. Yeah, no way. I'm thinking about worse here. I'm thinking about worse. Brady's in the conversation. I don't think I'd have another quarterback. I don't think I'm that tempted by Derek Carr, even though i do think

that derrick carr is gonna have a great year devante adams still on the board yeah he's he's one that you can make you know if you think he ages really well in his 30s and i do he's going in this first round 29 right he's 20 he turns i think he turns 30 this season which is how old's tyreek i think tyreek's 29 as well let's see uh you're also 28 he's 28 28 okay the thing with tyreek that people are always going to be like how does speed age i think he's so fast that when he starts to slow down he's still going to be really fast he is still going to be really fast there's no doubt about it i oh man. I think I'm going Tristan Wirfs. All right.

I think I'm going Tristan Wirfs because Tristan Wirfs is like what, 22? Yeah, the age value is insane. Tristan Wirfs is 23, but he turned 23 this past January. So he's a solid 23. I mean, like you might get one of just an unbelievably gifted offensive lineman for the next 10 years I don't think we're giving offensive tackles enough

respect in this redraft again not that not there's many guys that would change because we're picking really talented players but I'm gonna go Tristan Wirfs I'm gonna build I'm gonna build through the trenches it's the way the Steelers would want to do it baby we're going Tristan Wirfs here speaking of a franchise that would also do that, the New England Patriots, I'm piggybacking off you again. Oh, you're taking? I'm taking Trent Williams.

And my argument for that is... Oh, shoot. Wait, how old? Trent's old, though. Trent is 33. Okay. Yes, Trent is 33. Okay, he's not as old as I thought.

I thought he was like 35. I really think he can have an Andrew Whitworth kind of career. That's how gifted he is. That he could be playing into his upper 30s at an extremely high level. So that's my thought. I think you have Trent as, you know, I think he's the best left tackle in football.

And I think it's going to stay that way as long as he wants to play. And he was, did you see, he was the first offensive lineman to get a 99 rating uh deservedly so deservedly so so yeah for me trent williams i didn't want to because of the age i wouldn't have taken him in the top 20 but now that we're outside the top 20 picks i just want the best possible players i wasn't doing the brady reunion in new england once again i'm not trying to make this thing a lot of repeats. Trent Williams would be a very on-brand pick for them here. Raiders at 22. Is he doing it?

When you say, am I doing it, do you just mean am I picking Tom Brady? Is that what you mean? Every time? Absolutely. I don't think i'm picking tom brady here the the two guys that i'm debating between just checking age really quick oh my god derwin's 25 it's just unbelievable how good this dude is 25 but hurt a lot but hurt a lot which it hurt a lot, which it's a big factor,

man. And it is, it is. That's, that's something that you, that you have, you can't, you can't miss in this round on the redraft.

Man, if it's not Derwin, the other guys that I'm thinking about, I'm thinking about, I'm thinking about Ray Sean Slater. I'm thinking about Jair Alexander. I'm thinking about Ray Sean Slater I'm thinking about Jair Alexander I'm thinking about AJ Terrell but do I I don't think I can tell myself that I'm picking Terrell over Jair because for as incredible as I could Terrell's last year was it was one year and you and I both know that there is no more hot and cold up and down position in in this game than corner and I don't know what

Terrell's bounce back is going to look like I don't know I look it maybe he'll have this elite level for a long long time oh man have this elite level for a long, long time. I'm going to... Wow. I'm picking Jair. He's so torn, folks. I'll pick Jair. I'll pick Jair.

He's so damn good. Healthy Jair is one of the best corners in the NFL. I probably think he's his top three corner. He's immensely talented. He can play inside and out. He talks a lot of smack. He backs it up. He's got the athleticism.

He's got the ball skills. He's got the awareness. He's got the leadership. He's vocal. Again, it's a premium position. How often do you have a player that has the ability to shadow a number one wide receiver anywhere they go is just as comfortable in the slot as he is on the outside it just doesn't exist with most corners and i think jair brings you so much versatility of the position it's a premium one i'm gonna go jair

you're at uh at number 22 for the las vegas raiders all right 23 the cardinals are on the clock here and it's to get a little fun. I'm going to go with Kyle Pitts in this spot. And I think you're betting on some serious projection. But I'll say this, man. Number one, Kyle Pitts is going to be entering this season, regular season football games, as a 21-year-old. 21 years old. So that means he entered his rookie season, obviously, as a old he had over a thousand yards he did people forget on a people do forget on a bad

team this dude i think is what we all thought he is like i think it's there i think just because the team stunk doesn't mean that the hype should be gone. I think that when you, uh, he's a difference maker on the field, whether it's the middle of the field, big slot, I know he's never going to be this inline monster, but he's just so different in the past game. The kind of weapon he could be at this age. Like if that was him at 2021, what is he going to be at 24? And if you're taking him here, he could be your tight end for the next 13 years you can't say that about a lot of the picks we've had in these drafts i mean it's true so cliff kingsbury gets kyle pitts that would be um obviously pretty fun to watch i think i gotta go with davante adams here for this next that was so that was who was between those two guys i think i

gotta go back to the offensive side of the ball. I think I got to go Devontae Adams. He's just too damn good. And he's just been too damn good for too long. He's 29. I get it. I looked at him. I looked at Cooper Cup. I looked at potentially

CeeDee Lamb as well. But you look at what Devontae has been over the last i'll say four years um and we played 12 12 games in 2019 i'm looking at it right now he's three yards short of a thousand yard season in that season as well but you know you've got shoot you've got years with 12 10 13 18 11 touchdowns the guy's just an absolute machine um he's made the most out of being able to play with aaron rogers i still think that he deserves to be a first round pick in this redraft format so i'm gonna get adams off the board i'll go devante adams here all right i mean

listen he had to happen right yeah i think he had to be a first round pick in the street draft i think yeah he needed to be no i'm with you on that he had to be so all right you ready for this one oh are we getting spicy yeah i think so i think we're gonna have some fun with it okay we're gonna have some fun with it because i think they are um equipped to handle the fun as a fan base oh boy the bills are taking tom brady and oh my god there's so much layers here man like one you're cruel dude we said it in the beginning the Chiefs the Bills like you are the losers of these redrafts these these franchise drafts like you can't your rosters are so good you will not win in this exercise your franchise quarterbacks will go one and two you You are the losers. So let's have fun and let's just take all our chips and throw

them right in the middle and go for the Super Bowl right now and take Tom Brady. I mean, this is the route. If you're losing Josh Allen and you still have to pick at 25, you don't even get the reward, the compensation of losing him. Why not go for it all, go for it all in the one year window. They're the team to do it. Look at that face. He knows, he knows what it's like. I do know. I do know what it's like. I do know what it's like. I'm very familiar with it. Uh, you know, as we kind of went down here, I wasn't sure if we were getting brady off the board i really was here i i don't know if i honestly i don't know if i was gonna pick them i don't know this was the only spot i i could sell it to myself because they are they are the team on the back end because they there's so many reasons they lose josh allen that tom brady against new england like a division he's familiar with and they are so so starving for a super bowl

after the heartbreak they have dealt with that this is the i think it's the only fan base i could sell it to and they're like yeah this is fun like yeah it makes sense titans are up at 26 again i've still got derwin on the board. I've still got AJ Terrell on the board. Man. I think I'm leaning Terrell. Yeah, he has to go in the first round. No, absolutely not. I mean, there's no way that we could have him not go in the first round.

He's too damn talented for that to be the case. I'm just trying to look if there's anybody that I'm kind of forgetting here. I mentioned CeeDee Lamb. I mentioned Cooper Cup. You start getting to other wide receivers like Stephon Diggs, but he's 28. Tyree Kill, he's 28. Am I picking a DK Metcalf over him? No, probably not.

I'll pick – I'll get Terrell off the board here. Let's get Aja Terrell off the board for the Tennessee Titans. I'm not sure that like they would pick him there. I feel like they would pick like a, like a Joey Bosa or something, but yeah, maybe, maybe I should do that.

Should I do that? Should I pick not? How old is AJ Terrell? He's gotta be a youngster. I'd say 25. If I had to guess brother, he is 23. That's unbelievable. We're picking AJ maybe we might

have let him we might have let him go AJ Terrell right here baby he slide too long he played he turns 24 in September so he'll be playing this okay okay so yeah that makes but still I mentioned a little bit of it when I was talking about him versus Jair Alexander an extremely talented cornerback a young cornerback. You absolutely love to have that on a rookie contract, especially for a guy who's playing as well as he was in his second year. I mean, incredible season. I mentioned it's very cyclical.

You go up and down as a corner. What are you going to be once you have that first really bad year? Can you bounce back? Can you adjust? That's what the best ones do. We have yet to see that from AJ just because he's been so fantastic, and that's the most best ones do we have yet to see that from uh from aj just because he's been so fantastic and that's the most recent year that we have so i'm very intrigued to see when he when he inevitably goes down and i say i don't say that due to lack of talent i just say that due to the position that he plays when he eventually takes those hits when he takes those lumps when it's not that elite kind of a play can he bring himself back up pick himself by up by his own uh bootstraps

if you will. So I think that that's something that I'm going to be looking forward to this year and as the years follow. But as of right now, I think playing a premium position for as young as he is and as good as he is, he's got to be on this list. So I'll take a similar path as you. Look in defense, trying to get young, trying to get a player that maybe in two years stands alone at his position and that's jeffrey

simmons here for the box at 27 on the interior d line i mean we know aaron donald's the guy probably not ditching that crowd anytime soon unless he wants to walk away like we mentioned but when you look at the up and coming d line D-line in the league, and also really already established, considering what his 2021 tape showed, Simmons is the guy. He's the one that you look at and go, man, he can change the game from the interior of the defensive line. He can rush the quarterback.

He can stop the run. He can live in the backfield. He's 24 years old. So for the Bucs here, a lot of talent is gone, and you're trying to get unique players i can't emphasize that enough in the franchise redraft you're trying to get unique players trev just got aj terrell at 26 like that's a unique because of his age and because what he can do on one side of the field that's unique i think that's jeffrey simmons up front in the I think I'm picking Justin Fields.

Wow. 28. So Fields goes over. Definitely Derek Carr. Ryan Tannehill. Matt Ryan. Right. Kirk Cousins.

Yeah, it's not really that nuts if you're if you're going if you're going with quarterback i think yeah i i've still got faith that just feel its ceiling is higher than um than mac jones's oh yeah i mean there's no reason ceiling wise that'll always be the argument okay can i can i tell you who i'm debating between here oh so it's not official? No, I'm debating between two players. Okay. I know who I'm taking at 29 already.

So I hope it's not that person. I won't say it. Keep it fun. The other player... Offensive defense. Defense. Ooh. Is yours defense? No.

Oh. Joey Bosa? Nope, it's's not bosa i don't know then micah parsons is the other player that of course of course micah parsons is 23 and he turned 23 in may oh man that kind of has me readjusting my next pick. That's how good of a suggestion that is. This guy is unbelievable. Yeah, he's special. I think I got to go Parsons. No.

No, I think you should. I think you should. I think it's the better pick. I think it's undisputably the better pick. I think it is, too. If I was actually in the GM's chair and I was building a franchise, I'm not so sure that I would shy away from a quarterback that's as talented as Justin Fields but for as good as for as good as Michael Parsons was last year it's so hard not to pick him he has to be in this draft number one we're

gonna get him in here yeah he's gotta be all right so parsons the packers at 28 yeah we'll go part we'll go parsons i'll go parsons to the packers yeah not much of an argument for me there um 29 yep the 49ers are on the clock this is pretty tricky there is somebody that i really want to take but the reason why i'm getting i'm going off of that player is because round two is shaping up to be really loaded at wide receiver where i don't think the value makes sense in this spot so i will take joey bosa in that spot okay because once again you're just it's kind of what we keep hammering home how many edge rushers are you going to get that you know bosa as we sit here as you're listening to this show it is his birthday so i believe that he oh wow just

turned he turns 28 on july 11th oh look at that goes back to my argument edge rushers they usually start to hit their stride at 25 bosa's a guy that is just going to live in that double digit sack range and he's going to be playing for your team for a long time yep so i and there's just not a lot of guys left on the board like that right now that you could say that about in their 20s it's true i'm with you i'm with you i'm with you. I'm with you 100%. Makes sense. I thought about Joey Bosa a handful of picks earlier, so get him off the board.

When he has been healthy, if he's ever been healthy for a full season, it's been double digit sacks. That's it. Plain and simple. You play 16 games, he's getting you double digit sacks. That's it. What is he going to look like with Khalil Mack across from him? It's going to unlock something that people are like, holy shit, this guy is amazing.

Absolutely terrifying. Chiefs. Do I piss everybody off here and go Justin Fields? Because I think it makes sense, right? You get a player as talented as Justin Fields coming off a rookie season that was obviously disappointing but was not a good situation in Chicago. I get to pair him with Andy Reid and Eric Biennemi. Brett Veach is building the team around him.

I've got a lot more faith in that. Yeah, we're getting Fields in here. I'm going Justin Fields. People are going to be so mad at that. People are going to be like, Fields fell in his own draft class, and I'm going to be like, well, his own draft class and i'm gonna be like well you shouldn't have listen to the pod for the people that get mad at the graphic listen to the

pod uh 31 for the bengals here i'm gonna go with quentin nelson and how old is quentin i haven't looked this up pretty young i would guess he's 25 26 26 very nice so turn 26 in the spring guess he's 25, 26, 26. Very nice. So turn 26 in the spring. So he's playing his age 26 season. Obviously, I mean, he's the guy on the interior offensive line. I think I think that's the difference here is you're trying to get a player that's at the best at his spot. And the talent obviously really started to disappear at this point in the draft in terms of i'm not going to reach for a quarterback i like the value of wide receiver

a lot the way it's shaping up in rounds two and three there wasn't a defensive player that i i coveted in the spot that much there's a couple guys i'd like but i love quentin nelson at his position so he sneaks into round one you it. You said we'll probably have three offensive linemen go. We've had Wirfs, Trent Williams, and Quentin Nelson all go in the first round. Well, I'm torn here between three players. Here for the final pick for the Los Angeles Rams at number 32. The three players that I'm torn, Cooper Cup,

so him going to the Los Angeles Rams would be fine. Sneaky 30-year-old, right? He's 29. i don't know when he turns 30 sneaky 30 year old cooper cups ray sean slater who is 23 years old great call will be 23 years old for this entire upcoming season i think he could be a stud offensive tackle for years and years and years and the other one's max crosby who that's a defensive player one of the last ones left for me right who is who is about to turn 25 but i'm pretty sure leads the league in pressures yep since he came into the league or it's at least he he leads his draft class which

was an insane draft class of uh chase young and brian burns and uh r Rashawn Gary. And just like, yeah, guys, not bad. Not bad. I think I'm leaving right now. I think, I think I'm leaving Slater. That's Slater Crosby. It's the pick. It's Slater Crosby.

It's Slater. I just don't think you can get a 23-year-old tackle like that. You do that pick now. Yeah. Now, reminder to everybody listening, because Trevor and I are thinking about the next round, even though we're not doing it when making these picks. Right.

In the molds of a franchise draft in Madden, it goes back now. It snakes back. So the Rams would pick again. Oh,den, it goes back now. It snakes back. So the Rams would pick again. Oh yeah, you're right. It would. It would snake back. So it even enhances your argument, not only that you can get two of the three that you liked, but it enhances your argument to take Slater

because that tackle class might look real grim by the time they're all the way back on the clock. It's not really a position you could you could play with fire with great thought process so i think that i think that was the runaway i did not think about that past 25 which i probably should have but that was a that was a great point i'm glad that you brought it up when we were done connor you're welcome as we finish what i'm good for that's what i'm really good for a lot that's what i'm good for folks man that was a long pod it was a long pod but i think i think this is

a i don't want to call it a niche pod because any nfl fan can listen to it and be like oh these are how these guys value players based on everything not just talent age is a huge factor on the show you and i are evaluators of young NFL talent. But I think it's also niche in a sense that like, there are a lot of people listening to this that are probably like you and I, that did this in Madden every single year as kids. Like it was like, get the game,

do the franchise draft on a franchise mode with the team. Right. Just blow it, make your own team. It's like dreams. So who did we leave off here that might have tyree kill so tyree kills off cooper cup is off i mentioned max crosby is off some of those younger pass rushers as well no christian mccaffrey yeah no running backs no running backs didn't think that that was going to be the case yep um david jr but he's yeah

derwin james is the one that's gonna haunt me because he's absolutely one of the top 32 players in the nfl the injuries just scare me man they scare me you guys heard me earlier in the pod i tried to i tried to cape for him i wanted to get him in here i just couldn't do it honestly a lot of the offensive tackles in the nfl right now the good ones the ones you would want to invest in they are older they're old They're older players that didn't make it as much of a slam dunk. Trey White, though, he's coming off the injury. Chandler Jones getting a little bit older. Yeah.

He's been hurt as well. Vita Vea, who's obviously good, but... That's a good one. It is, but... He's unique. But are you picking Vita Vea in the first round of a league redraft? No. And we didn't.

No, yeah, I don't think you are. Cam Jordan's getting up there in age. Von Miller, obviously, up there in age as well. You know who's a sneaky one? And maybe it's magnified because of the offense he plays in, but I also think he is a really quietly good NFL player. Mark Andrews is coming off a year where he had almost 1,400 yards as a tight end.

I mean, Mark Andrews was that entire passing offense. It just seemed like they were running the entire passing offense through Mark Andrews. And so I like the shout-out again. He's 26. Like, he's different at the position because of the age. You picking Kyle Pitts floored me. I did not think we were going to get Kyle Pitts.

It's not like your logic doesn't make sense. He's 21. He could be... Kyle Pitts could be a 1,000-yard potential tight end for the next 10 years every single year. Kyle Pitts can finish it. I know this is just an insane thing to say, but Kyle Pitts can finish his NFL career as the yards leader of tight ends

because he came in the league as a 20-year-old. And he had 1,000 yards. No rookie tight ends come in at 20 And he had 1,000 yards. Like, no rookie tight ends come in at 20 and also have 1,000 yards. Most rookies come in and don't even have 1,000 yards, but do it at 20. How old is Ronnie Stanley? Another guy that, without the injuries, though,

no-brainer, no-brainer top 25 pick. Yeah, he played six games in 2020. Dude, he's played seven games in the last two seasons. Yeah, it's not good. It sucks because he's awesome. He was an All-Pro in 2019. First team All-Pro. Whereas, I thought about Marlon Humphrey as well.

That's fair. How old is Humphrey? Probably 25. Ah, 26. We could have picked him. Yeah. We could have picked him. The guys that got hurt last year got recency biased in this draft,

I'll admit. Unfortunately. That's how it goes, man. It's a what have you done for me lately league. It's going to happen. You know, we didn't pick Ronnie. Marlon Humphrey did play 12 games last year. He wasn't hurt like the whole year.

DeForest Buckner is another guy who I like. That's a good one. That we could have picked. He certainly could have been a consider. DK Metcalf, I mentioned earlier in the podcast, but didn't get him in there. Could have got him in there. That reminds me of what I was hinting at.

Could have potentially thought about Minka there, although I probably wouldn't have got him in there. I was going to have the 49ers take CeeDee Lamb. Okay, CeeDee Lamb's another player we didn't mention. But I was like, round two, you have CeeDee Lamb, Stephon Diggs, DK Metcalf, Terry McLaurin. Like, there was no need to keep taking wide receivers at the end of round one.D. Lamb's another player that we didn't mention. But I was like, round two, you have C.D. Lamb, Stephon Diggs, D.K. Metcalf, Terry McLaurin. Like, there was no need to keep taking wide receivers at the end of round one.

Right, right. All right, I mean, we could be at this all day because there's so many great players in the NFL, but that was the fun part of the exercise, one through 32. Hopefully, we'll have a graphic that you guys can see when we're finished up with it. This is a longer one.

Hopefully, you guys enjoyed it. We already know the topic for next Monday's episode. Oh, buckle up. it this is a longer one hopefully you guys enjoyed it we already know the topic for next monday's episode it's a banger it is part one of what is going to be a little two-part monday series that is going to be a blast before we get to that we're picking back up on the summer scouting series starting uh this thursday do we have edge or interior defensive line do you remember which one i think it's interior d line okay we have edge or interior defensive line? Do you remember which one we're starting with? I think it's interior D-line. Okay, we're starting with interior defensive line. So interior defensive line is this Thursday. We'll get to edge rushers next Thursday.

I lied. It's edge. Connor lied. I just checked the calendar. I just checked the calendar. I think you hoodwinked me. I think you flipped them on our calendar. Me? Yeah. Which is better. I'm glad I'm watching edge players instead of IDL. So edge players. The more exciting guys i guess the sack masters those guys there's a pretty good

one in this class if you haven't heard we'll take we'll take a look at some of the best edge players in college football for the 2023 nfl draft that's coming up on thursday thank you guys so much for listening i'm trevor that's connor this has been the NFL Stock Machine Podcast. Bye.