NFL Stock Exchange: An NFL Draft Podcast - 9. Running Back Position Rankings for the 2022 NFL Draft

Episode Date: February 10, 2022

Hosts Trevor Sikkema and Connor Rogers give you their thoughts on the upcoming running back class. They breakdown their favorite players in the group, including their Top 5, with running styles, which blocking schemes they like for certain guys, third down and specialty abilities and more. 0:00 - Intro 3:55 - Connor’s #5 RB 9:40 - Trevor’s #5 RB 13:05 - Connor’s #4 RB 17:55 - Trevor’s #4 RB 23:35 - Connor’s #3 RB 26:40 - Trevor’s #3 RB 30:00 - Connor’s #2 RB 33:55 - Trevor’s #2 RB 37:20 - Connor’s #1 RB 40:05 - Trevor’s #1 RB 43:40 - Who just missed the cut?

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I got it this year. It's awesome. Sign up now at youtube.com slash BS, device and content restrictions apply. Local and national games on YouTube TV NFL Sunday ticket for out-of-market games excludes digital only games welcome to the NFL Stock Exchange podcast on this episode we're going to be taking a deep dive into the 2022 running back class for the NFL draft we're going to talk to you about our top fives who we have going five to one and then

give some shout outs to some mid-round guys. And maybe some late round steals as well. We're going to give you exactly what we are looking for in this class. Specialized roles that teams could have. What blocking schemes we see guys really succeeding in. All that and so much more. I'm Trevor Sycamore. With me as always is my co-host Connor Rogers. Let's get after it. what's going on everybody welcome to the opening bell of the nfl stock exchange podcast i am

trevor sycamore with me is connor rogers and if you guys are watching this on youtube i don't know connor people who like to talk about our hair a lot i might have you i might have you beat this episode man my hair is looking. I looked in the mirror before I came on camera and I'm like, there's no way Connor's got me beat today. And you know what, buddy? No. I gotta flex right here. I think I got you beat here today. You're smoking me today, dude. I'm gonna pull the old

excuse card and say that I'm hot off the press from the dentist and I wore a hat and like when I got off something and we were about five minutes to tape I ran the bathroom threw pomade through the hair and I just look like a slick back uh 80s goon right now at this point so you are killing it today dude and I I am not I'm making it work post hat hair though post hat hair that I got to uh you know I got to admit that

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So we are talking about the running back position. We're going to go through our top five, start at number five, go all the way down to number one, and then give you guys some mid round gems, some late round gems, things like that. So it's just going to be all about the running back position. We're going to set the table for you. How good this class can be, what it's like at the top, what it's like in the middle, where the sweet spot is for these guys.

I'm excited to get to this class, Connor. I think that it's a pretty solid one with a lot of guys to like for a lot of different reasons yeah i think so too and there's no layups right like this year you really got to do your homework and there's going to be a lot of different uh varying opinions on how these top fives look across the board where i thought like over the years trevor like naji harris was a really easy eval you know Jonathan Taylor was a really easy eval like the usually running back sometimes the top of it is so easy and I didn't really find that to be the case this year I think anybody you know a lot of these guys can there's a case for them to be the number one or number two back and you know you and

I were talking before uh we went on air that it's great that we're doing the top five now, but so much of the day three running backs and, you know, the guys outside the top five, and maybe it does impact them as well. The combine, the testing of the combine and the pro days really makes a difference for the gems. That's how, you know, and it matters for teams. It's not just media. Teams really use the combine and athletic testing to uncover what hidden gems. A guy could be in the seventh round you know test off the charts and the usage just wasn't there in

college and he goes up to the fourth or fifth round so this is a great uh introduction to this running back class yeah we we do these and we're trying to get to as many as we can during the month of february so that we're kind of setting the table to be able to give you those stock up stock downs over the next couple of months months what we're hearing on these guys you mentioned how big athletic testing is for the running back position so i'm sure there's going to be movement once we get to indianapolis and see how these guys are testing but man i'm not gonna lie i saw your top five right before the show and my running back one i went into this thinking okay everybody's gotta's got to have him as RB1.

You thought it was the layup. Right. I was just like, okay, we're going to agree on RB1. I wonder where we're going to agree. We don't. We do not agree on RB1. So let's kick it off. Who is your number five?

We'll go five through one here. And then, of course, later in the podcast, we'll get to some guys that just missed the list. But who is your number five running back in this class right now? Yeah, there might be some recency bias here i was joking with you but it's debian pierce you know your guy from florida and and i look at this and it was a little bit like the wide receivers where there's this 5a 5b i really really wanted tyler algier you know on here and i went with pierce because i didn't want to

cheat again i'm not going to cheat every position really ridiculous i was i was i was clearing out the old sheet and i'm like this dude really screwed me by putting olabe and wilson in here so it looked like you didn't leave one of them off but you know what that's just look that's why you're one of the best that's why you're one of the best you're smart about it yeah it was i was manipulating the rankings but you know start with pierce here we just got to see him in mobile yeah the tape from florida when he did get the ball is phenomenal really good at breaking tackles I've said before he reminds me of David Montgomery in a lot of ways he's that kind of runner he's a very strong runner he's very uh it can really create yards after contact he has the leg drive he can run north to south but I think he has enough burst you know to go east to west to

play in his own scheme uh that can utilize that burst a little bit and give you some power but the name of his game is downhill running that's what matters to me then you look at the senior bowl and he showed that in pass pro there is no fear that that frame can be a legitimate weapon in pass pro that he can take on the one-on-one contact against linebackers and hold his ground and I think that's something where a guy that, you know, had trouble getting on the field a lot for Florida, for whatever reasons, might not have a lot of problems getting on the field for the NFL because of that pass pro ability. So I love him as a runner. That's where the name of the game is going to be for him. If you give him any space, he's going to create yards and can be a power

kind of runner and can really help you out in the red zone. But the fact that he's showing teams, I can be on the field on third down for pass pro, is a total game changer that got him sneaking into my top five. Yeah, he was coached by the Lions squad in the Senior Bowl. And at the end of each practice, what the Lions coaching staff did is they had a little one-on-one between the offense and the defense. On one it was jermaine johnson going up against darian canard an offensive lineman versus defensive lineman just a straight one-on-one to see who won the day at the end of practice day two or was it was it day two or which day was it

camera was day two it was rainy day right yes yes it was it was day two they had Damian Pierce line up against DeMarco Jackson the linebacker from App State and look Connor we know that that is a linebacker kind of a drill man you're a running back and you're one-on-one and you've just got to take a running back on and so I was like okay this is bad they're setting up my boy Pierce to fail here I'm not about to stand for this and DeMarco Jackson just go straight into him. Pierce lines him up, gets him in between the shoulders. Boom. You hear the clash of the pads straight there, stood him up. Jackson tried to go to his right. Pierce was right there, locking right in with those hands, tried to go to the left. He finally ripped off of Pierce, but it was after like four or five seconds. I mean, the ball's well out of the quarterback's

hands at that point. That was a big-time win for Damian Pierce. Obviously, the whole roster around him was super pumped up. He took his helmet off, and he was screaming, and he was hyped up about that. But that's nothing new to him. His calling card, even. You know, some people have those Heisman moments, right? Damian Pierce's big signature moment in this draft class is when his helmet got ripped off about seven yards short of the goal line against Florida State and his immediate thought was I'm still scoring this touchdown and

it is against the rules to continue to play without a helmet but he wasted no time sprinting to the end zone with three Florida State defenders right there at the goal line lowering the shoulder against the dudes and getting in and he was so that's the kind of dog mentality that we're talking about with this guy whether he's got the ball in his hands or whether he's in pass protection he is a beast florida's offensive line absolutely stunk this past year and so it's really hard to judge you know the yards per carry output the total yard output uh even when you're looking at kind of like his vision and seeing like okay how well can he see the field how well can he seek space it's hard when your offensive lines as bad as florida's was so i think the best is yet to come for damian pierce i really like him as a back he he didn't make my top five and he actually he's

not my six either so he's not going to be the guy that i mentioned right after that but i think this running back class has some meat in the middle rounds. And Damian Pierce, I think, is definitely somebody third, fourth round that a team is going to draft and really like. So power is the name of the game. You're totally right. But yeah, those are my thoughts with him. He was just outside the top five for me. Dude, he had on the all 22 because you really need the all 22 angle to notice how wild this was. He had a move where he did like the Walter Payton scissor kick on a guy

this year and when I saw that I was like do you know how confident you have to be to do that where you know you have the stop and start to get a guy on that and it worked perfect perfectly and I just think his mental makeup to me is fearless and when you see that in a running back that has the build to go with it it's all right there where you're right Trevor like is he gonna come out of this draft and be you know Christian McCaffrey or someone like that's never who he's gonna be but man if you get a David Montgomery kind of runner kind of player and mentality in your locker room in the fourth round that's just bargain shopping in the best possible way. And I'm just very interested to see how he tests.

I really am. It might not be great, but I want the bar, right? I want to see what the bar is for him. Yeah, I think that's fair. I think you want to see that with, interestingly enough, a lot of these guys in the top five might not test off the charts. My next guy, actually, is a prime example of that. My number five in this class.

Oh, I love him. It's Notre Dame's running back, Kyron Williams. I went into the year. People from Locked On NFL Draft will know this. I went into the year with Kyron Williams as my RB1. I didn't care. I didn't care. Nobody could tell me nothing about it, man.

Soft hands, an absolute dog in pass protection great patience really really light on his feet knows how to follow blocks knows and understands the blocking scheme in front of him and the timing with it oh there's just i love his game so much the only issue with kyle williams is i don't know how athletic he is I don't I don't know what the long speed is and that was everybody's big complaint is you can't have this guy RB1 if you cannot trust that he's athlete enough for the NFL and that's what I'm really looking forward to seeing with Kyron Williams at the combine are you just athlete enough in the NFL because if you are this dude can stick around for as long as there's tread on the tires truly

he does so much of the little things well with the running back position that if i can at least just check the box say okay i'm not totally worried that he's just gonna get caught from behind from no matter what kind of defender is near him in the nfl if i can check that box you have a total package at running back man jack cone i was able to sit down he is his quarterback from notre dame this past year i sat down with him a couple of weeks ago and i was asking him about kyron he's like man you just have so much confidence with kyron williams standing next to you whether you're handing him the ball or whether he's sitting there in the pass protect man it truly is like that

little five foot nine 200 and pound running back is another offensive lineman for guys who might be coming in on the blitz and so that's the kind of confidence that he brings the backfield i love his patience sometimes i think he's too patient right sometimes i think he's holding on to that ball a little bit and i'm like come on man you got to get up you got to get up and you got to go you got to kick it into a gear here but he's doing that because he's trying to be very calculated the more film that he watched the more reps he gets the nfl level the more comfortable he gets with the speed as long as he has that speed within himself, which there are some games I see it.

There are some games I have my questions. But if I can prove that at the combine, that this guy's got a baseline level of athleticism for the NFL, the rest of his game, Connor, I love. So he's my RB5 in this class right now. I like it. I wish you left him at one, to be honest with you. There's still plenty of time.

I couldn't do it, man. Just watching him up against some of these other running backs that are in front of it, man. The athletic part, you've got to be an athlete. You mentioned it. You mentioned it at the top of the show. Combined Pro Day is so important for these guys because you have to be an athlete at running back. You have to.

You really do. When I go over Kyron williams i'll get into you know it's interesting how we measure running backs at this point of of what numbers matter and i think all of them do but what ones can you take away that'll dictate maybe some success and what ones can you look at and go you know what i'm okay with that not being an overwhelmingly positive number so there's no doubt, too. It's cooled off. Like, the hype on Kyron Williams, coming out of last summer, I think there were plenty of people that were like,

he's just a staple to be a top three running back in this class. Yes, right. I don't think we're still there anymore. And, you know, like I said, I will get into Kyron Williams. But in terms of projecting what NFL teams are going to do, I wouldn't call him a lock to be one of the first three running backs taken. This guy, for me, number four, he might be a lock to be one of the first three running backs taken. This guy for me, number four, he might be a lock to be one of the top three running backs. I might be an outlier here. I might be, this might be a hot take, a stupid take, whatever, however people

want to see it. And I have my reasons because I do like him a lot. It's Kenneth Walker and he's number four for me. And there's not a lot of disrespect when you call a guy the number four back in a class where everyone's grouped together closely but I think a lot of people will not be happy to hear this or will be surprised to hear this when I look at Walker Trevor I think that right now he is a he's a top tier runner right he is a breaking tackles machine I'm pretty sure pro football focus had him registered with 89 this year he is a a nuts. He is a yeah, that's that's nuts. That's like that is truly bonkers. And that doesn't even matter what conference he played in.

And he obviously played in a power five conference. I mean, I'll just read my notes on Walker because there is a a lot of good. But I still do have some questions. Number one, he was, you know, one year breakout, which at running back doesn't really matter that much. If you have a one year breakout, you don't really care about it as much like a quarterback or a, you know, pass rusher, things like that. One-year breakouts at running back, it happens all the time. I wrote that he has a really strong lower half that helps with his leg drive. Like you can see it on the All-22,

the way he's built. That is a weight room lower half that guys do not like running into when they got to wrap up and tackle. And for me, he has power runner ability, and defenders do bounce off him when they come in high. But I want to see him use it more. Like, I think he has that habit of, I'm a big back, and I'm a gifted back with my change of direction for my size, so I can use the change of direction 90% of the time. And I thought there was times where I'm like,

dude, you can set the tone of this game. You don't have to make, try to make six people miss, lower your shoulder and hurt somebody. And I know that's like stupid old school football speak with scouting sometimes, but it's just something I look at him and go, man, you, you have the frame to punish people. And there were certain times where I thought you could have used it. Uh, like I said, change of direction at that size is very very impressive and that is going to translate i think it's going to translate at the combine but i think it's going to translate most importantly on the field now let's get into the things that have me concerned why he's not my top three running back for me yeah not very explosive and definitely

lacks a top end gear that top end gear does not exist don't think a lot of running backs in this class have one to be honest with you i think one guy that's not on my list today and Jerome Ford has it but he's not a top five running back for me so it's you got to give something up to go find that top end gear so it's okay but you have to note it he needs more reps and coaching at pass pro Trevor I mean yeah it's just it's not there it's not there they didn't use him as a pass catcher and then the few reps you get to see on film of him in pass pro I thought the awareness was okay it was kind of like he knew where to be most of the time I didn't see a ton of I don't like using the word effort but maybe the it goes back to the power runner I want to see it like I know you have the frame to do it

now go do it like go help out your quarterback. So I think that's coaching. I think he needs to be coached up in pass pro. And if that doesn't happen right away in training camp, it's going to be hard for him to be on the field for a majority of the snaps where he's an early down runner. He was targeted 16 times, 13 catches for 89 yards and no drop. So I think he can catch the ball, but they didn't use him in that way. So that's a long, that's a lot, a lot oneth walker but the point is for me he's an early down runner right now he's probably a very very good one but to make the transformation to being a true top 15 runner in the nfl we it's a total mystery of what he is in

the past game as terms of a receiver and pass protector uh i i have plenty of words to say on kenneth walker uh he is he is higher on my list but you know one of the things that i'll say is that that there's definitely some tendency issues with him that just get need to get ironed out right i mean you mentioned a lot of his best up is him bouncing to the outside and him just finding space in that way and maybe not following his blocks as well as or as long as he should i do think that's a tendency issue with him now i will say michigan state ran a lot of man blocking concepts right they had a lot of pullers they run a lot of power and they didn't exactly have the strength up front to get a lot of push so i think that kenneth walker i'm gonna say kenneth murray at some time some point throughout this

this this podcast. Too many drafts. I'm just letting you know. But I do think that Kenneth Walker started to not trust his offensive line to really win up front. But there's no doubt about it that that's a little bit of a bad habit. He had to be a superhero sometimes. He did. You're right.

But when you have that kind of success at the college level level and especially when you're not an overly elite athlete you don't exactly get to do those same things in the nfl so i'll get i'll get to more of the pros and cons when i get to kent walker at my part here number four i have byu's running back tyler algier very interesting path with tyler algier was a walk-on at byu didn't get a single d1 scholarship ended up walking on at byu started off with a running back group ended up moving a linebacker because they had a depth needed linebacker uh played linebacker for a little bit i believe it was his sophomore year and then he threw him back at running back because they had some space open they had some opportunities for him to get carries and man let me tell you the second he started to get carries he just

did not give that job back uh he's been absolutely fantastic the last two seasons. He has got a body type and a play style that makes you think that he can moonlight a linebacker, right? I mean, like this dude is huge. He will pack a punch at contact. He's a known break tackle machine. He's got good balance. The issues with Tyler Algier are some people think that he's a little bit stiff.

I would agree. I think that he's a little bit stiff I would agree I think that he's a little bit stiff he's not the most flexible guy but I think he's got pretty good long speed and the reason why I have him in my top five is because in a running back class like you mentioned Connor where we're searching for guys who can even get close to that top gear if you will I think Tyler Algier man when he starts getting going north to south man he can run he can run away from people and when things are blocked well and when he's got the gap and when he's got the lane he could really move on it i love him in a zone blocking scheme at the next level byu runs a lot of that now and even though he's not the most flexible guy when it comes to changing direction i don't

think he's going to be a going to do a ton of like full cutbacks against the lion scrimmage but when it comes to just putting his foot in the ground, being like a one cut back in his own blocking scheme system, I think he does that plenty well. It's not like he's too stiff for that. It's not like he's totally rounding out his routes, if you will, when he's got the ball in his hand in that way. So I love him in his own blocking system.

Let it be as like this slasher kind of a running back where he's putting his foot in the ground, moving upfield, getting north to south, and then has that momentum, has that strength um i really like him in the past game past protection game as well he's got a lot of heart for that i think it's just a running back that plays a ton of energy and honestly for a position that demands that you play with high effort right you're getting hit every single play basically whether you got the ball in your hand or you're not you got to love contact you got to love what you do to be good at. And I think it puts a lot of effort forth in that. And I just think that, man, when it comes to size, speed, strength, the kind of just the overall package there,

Algier brings it to the table better than a lot of these other running backs do in this class. So I've got him at RB4. I almost had him at RB3. He's right. He's truly right there. Almost a coin flip with, with who I'm going to mention at RB3. So that's my RB4 there.

I'm really glad you got him in in your top five because he was the one where it pained me to leave him out. And it wouldn't shock me if we get to March and, you know, there's just something where I'm like, I can't not have him in here because number one, he's almost built like a coach's dream. The linebacker mentality mentality as you alluded to literally has played there before runs with that mentality he runs where he's coached to go he breaks tackles especially when you get the freight train rolling down the tracks and he pass protects

like a freaking wild man dude so coach's dream probably the guy that is getting i'd say no conversation about right now that goes a lot earlier than than people think yeah certainly not enough i think a lot a lot more people got to be talking about tyler algier and i think the you know it's funny because i i would tell you myself like flexibility in a running back and the i want to say inability but it's i mean that's too harsh of a word for Tyler Algier. Cause I just mentioned, it's not that bad, but guys who really struggled to change direction. Yeah. I struggled to fall in love with, because I know the position is so much about hopping,

being light on your feet, guys falling to your feet here. You got to move here. You got to change your, like it's just so much about moving through chaos, you know, sifting through clutter, all of that. So when guys can't do that as easily, sometimes don't fall in love with them, but there's so much of Tyler Algiers game, his background at football that you love.

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I'll give it to you, I promise. Running back three, for me, the guy with the most recent movement, I think during the fall, I felt like there was a good chance he was going to end up as my RB1. And when you get to the final stretch at the end of the year I think during the fall, I felt like there was a good chance he was going to end up as my RB1. And, you know, when you get to the final stretch at the end of the year and you watch all of them lump together,

it starts to change your perception of how certain guys move. So Isaiah Spiller is RB3. And somebody that is very projectable in a simple sense of the fact that he's got the big body type. I think he can take on contact with that body type i think that he does have really good feet for that size like it's shocking how good his feet are where he can make the first guy miss especially in the backfield and get to his spot he can finish his runs with power he can beat you with an electric cut but the problem is Trevor even more magnified than Kenneth Walker there's no top end gear he's not overly explosive the change of direction for his size surprises tacklers but I don't think it's going to really like wow you in terms of testing I'm not expecting

that there and I think it goes back to and I'm going to pull up more more of my actual just written notes here with him I think once again pass pro is it's just not a finished product right like I wrote down the effort in pass pro is evident but pre-snap there were so many times where he didn't know where to be and you can blame coaching for that plenty of times but you know the really good ones usually have an idea and he was just late a couple times pretty good amount of times but you know the really good ones usually have an idea and he was just late a couple times pretty good amount of times he was late and it it just didn't work it didn't get the job done so uh he's insanely patient and you love the frame you love the feet i think he navigates line of scrimmage traffic very well where he finds himself to the second

level enough yes he break he forces missed tackles he has experience plenty of experience in both zone and gap schemes uh but overall like just not an electric athlete that you are you know like you look at etn going in the first round last year and it was a little bit of the sense of like we got to have this guy right i don't think anyone's going to feel that way about Spiller. They're just comfortable with him as this day to one B to somebody's one a to be fair. The ETN pick was bad. Like not even,

not even the ETN, not even the ETN is not good. The ETN pick was literally urban, urban Meyer thinking there is no way in hell. Anybody's going to draft Kadarius Tony before we get back on the clock. And Dave Gettleman went, get effed. I got news for you. And then they just kind of panicked and took a speed guy.

Because remember, right after ETN got drafted, didn't they say like, hey, you're basically going to play like slot receiver and running back? Which is just like, they wanted to use him the way they were going to use Tony. I mean, they should have fired Urban Meyer then, like literally then. It was not going to get better, and it truly only got worse after that moment. Like, oh, wow, you really have no effing idea what you've got going on here.

Not that Travis Etienne can't be good in the NFL. I think he can, but the whole paper process, absolutely, absolutely crap. It was bad. So yeah, Isaiah Spiller, Texas A&M running back, 6'1", 215 pounds. You mentioned how light his feet are. This is my RB3 as3 as well sorry i should have prefaced it by saying that we have the same rb3 here i have isaiah spiller's rb3 as well and the reason why is because there

is there's so much shiftiness for a guy his size and i think you really love that it it allows you to get through the clutter get through the chaos um i think that that certainly helps where i have in my notes that i think he is more suited to be a zone blocking scheme kind of running back. I do feel as though he can have success in man blocking concepts because even though he's not as patient as I wish that he was, he is light enough on his feet to where he can bounce around, whether there's a missed times when a, when a puller is kind of coming through or a linebacker is kind of getting through this way or the other, he is, he is light enough on his feet to where he can, he can play well enough between the tackles. But I do,

I think I would like him a little bit more when he's getting outside, we're moving the offensive line and more of a zone blocking scheme, kind of a one cut thing with him. You mentioned, he does not have that final gear and that is yes. A big issue for me is that I think a lot of people look at his short area bursts, his short area elusiveness, if you will. And they think, okay, this dude's a great athlete for his size. And he is a good athlete for his size, but I don't know if he's going to give you that final gear. You mentioned it. It's something that we're going to repeat so many times for this running

back class, even when he gets in the open field, i think that his speed is fine it's not like he can't pick up big chunk gains for you he's just not going to take that 15 yard gain and turn it into a 55 yard touchdown right he's not going to do that nearly as much as some other backs might uh and so i like isaiah spiller but that's kind of where I am with it. I just, I like it. I actually have it on my notes here. I have a section and it's basically like, Hey, is this guy a third down back? And I have no right now he's not.

And I think that you mentioned all of the reasons why. And so when I look at a guy who isn't really reliable as a third down back right now, doesn't really give you that home run ability and a long gear. That's why he's RB three for me right now. I almost put Tyler out here over him to make Isaiah Spiller RB four. really give you that home run ability and a long gear. That's why he's RB three for me right now. I almost put Tyler out here over him to make Isaiah Spiller RB four. We'll see where I end up on him when, when draft weekend rolls around. But yeah,

those are my thoughts on Isaiah Spiller as well. Maybe I'm way off on this, but if he ran a four, six at the combine, that's like what I would expect. Oh man. It's four, six slow though.

Josh Jacobs ran like a four, six, two, and we all kind of felt it coming. And I wouldn't change my eval of him. It really wouldn't if he ran a 4-6. If I had one question for Isaiah Spiller in an interview, I'd be like, how much Le'Veon Bell did you watch as a kid? Like the running style, he just like completely took Le'Veon's running style.

He's nothing like him as a pass catcher or pass protector. But he's not nearly as patient, right? I mean, right i mean like levion i know exactly what you're saying let me sit back there all day you right you were talking about roethlisberger handing it off to levion he covers the ball with both hands and he sits there and he kind of bounce he's light on his feet he bounces a little bit but he but he's patient about it spiller isn't patient in that way he's almost he's pressing he presses too much that's't patient in that way. He's pressing. He presses too much. That's my biggest issue with his running style is I think that he just – he is waiting to get to the line of scrimmage and to the second level,

and he's a little bit impatient with it. So I hear you. He's light on his feet like Le'Veon, but he needs to be a little bit more patient like Le'Veon was. So keep watching the Le'Veon bell tape if he grew up watching it. All right, who is your RB2 in this class? All right, this is where it gets fun. Number two for me, you already broke him down,

so I'll give you my notes. Kyron Williams, number two for me. Oh, let's go. You got him at two. He's number two. And you know what? I agree with everything you said, to be honest with you. It's just the fact that I have him at two.

I thought your breakdown, I really don't think he has crazy breakaway speed, and he's undersized. I don't know if we call that undersized anymore. Cause who really cares the position, but he's a, he's a compact runner that I wrote can get skinny in tight rush lanes. And I love guys like that. They almost get lost behind the offensive line. He knows how to let blocks develop and the acceleration is explosive, excellent contact balance to stay on his feet

and he's not afraid to finish runs with pop has good this is my favorite part has good awareness and experience in pass protection he will get on the field very very early so Kyron Williams man he might not be you know a thousand yards every year on the grounds he might not be double digit touchdowns but he will play every down for you. He will pass protect. He can be a factor in the pass game, and he will get you the tough yards, and he will get you the easy yards.

And that demeanor on the field, you see it. There's a demeanor with him on the field that he is confident. Like you said about Jack Cohn, there's something comfort with the quarterback. He's vocal pre-snap. He's looking around at everything pre-snap he's looking around at everything pre-snap and that's why he knows where to be so I really like Kyron Williams um and I

think you know going back to your point about the testing I would not be surprised I pulled up a profile last year that made me think of this you know Michael Carter who had a nice rookie season for the Jets he comes in under 5'8 he weighs pounds, which is like really low on the profile. He only jumps 34 inches in the vertical. And then he runs a 4.54 in the 40. Not real breakaway speed. And it's like, man, those are numbers where I'm like, eh? But that three cone, a 6.833 cone, which is above that 90% profile and a great sub-4 shuttle.

That's where Kyron Williams is going to be liked by staffs. Short area, short area, short area, short area. Change of direction, short area explosiveness, and being a smart player that you can get on the field. So not the sexiest RB2 I've had in draft classes by a mile, but you know what you're getting with him, and I liked that a lot. I was having a conversation with Kyle Yates, a a good friend of mine used to work for fantasy pros now he's i think he's about to start doing his own thing but um you know we were talking about kyron

williams and he was texting me about kyron williams and you know we both love kyron he loves kyron's tape as well it's really hard not to and i i told him this and i said i'm almost at the point where you can have everybody else in this running back class give me Kyron Williams where I'm going to be able to get him on draft day right as opposed to where you're going to get Kenneth Walker where you're going to where you're going to get Isaiah Spiller where you're going to get Brees Hall who we're about to talk about here like where you might have to draft those guys give me Kyron Williams a little bit further down the draft I'm almost like to that point he's not gonna be RB1 for me I don't think but I I am almost there where I'm almost just

saying hey you guys can keep the rest give me Kyron Williams late third early fourth wherever he ends up going I don't know where he's gonna go but that's just a me kind of spitballing right there so I am almost to that point with Kyron and that's what coaches love man like and I know coaches have bad evaluation processes at times because sometimes they fall too much in love with that where they're afraid to swing for the fences or but with kyron once again you just you're getting a productive rookie right away that hey your third down back walked in free agency or he gets hurt in training camp. He could do that early down runs in zone can easily do that. Can break tackles.

It's just, there's such a trust factor with him that is so translatable to the NFL at the position. My RB two, I tease it a little bit right there. It's Iowa state's breeze hall comes in six foot one, 220 pounds. And you know what, Connor?

I don't know how anybody watches Brees Hall and doesn't like him. Now, it will come to varying degrees, right? It will be like, okay, some people really like him and some people might just kind of like him, but I don't know how you get worse than that. Because if you ask me the most important trait for playing the running back position is vision, spatial awareness, that kinds of stuff. Nobody better in the class than Brees Hall. If you ask me, nobody better.

This dude is phenomenal. You look at the last two years of stats that he's put up and this is with Brock Purdy as his quarterback, meaning that basically all defenses knew what was going to happen is they were going to hand the ball to breeze hall he had 1500 rushing yards last season he had 14 the past this past year 21 rushing touchdowns a year before that 20 rushing touchdowns this year he had a bunch of production in the receiving game as well he is so well-rounded he is so smart he is perfect for a zone blocking scheme man you

let this guy read the offensive line in front of you read where the linebackers are flowing whether he's got to fully cut it back whether he's going to aim at the the guards outside hip or whether he's going outside the tackle he just understands it so well there's such an art to finding space before it opens up and i don't think there's any back in this class better at that and more appropriate than that because right like sometimes you could watch kenneth walker's tape and you could say to yourself oh look at how look at how often he bounces to the outside and he finds the open space well sometimes that wasn't always the best move he just made it work out because he's a really great running back bre Brees Hall almost always analyzes every situation in front of him correctly.

And I love that about his game. Now, he follows the same guidelines as the rest of this class. He does not have the top end speed. And that's what's really holding him back, if you ask me, from being not just RB1 in this class, but being somebody who is really special. Because I have an NFL comp for Brees Hall. It's Ezekiel Elliott. And it isrees Hall it's Ezekiel Elliott and it is NFL's version of Ezekiel Elliott you look at what Elliott is able to do and Elliott just now I know as of late

he's of course like been beat up and everything but when you look at what Elliott was I would say in his really like years two years three years four of Ezekiel Elliott in the NFL you you saw a guy who was very patient, who understood his blockers in front of him, who always knew exactly where to go, who was consistently falling forward, who could bounce off of tackles, who would always get you that four or five yards, right? That is Brees Hall to me, even though he's not going to break off the home runs for you. And Ezekiel Elliott, he wouldn't break in too many home runs after he really got in the NFL. I know he did it a lot at Ohio State, but he has certainly not done that as of late nfl version of ezekiel elliott just a consistent running back somebody who is gonna read the field exactly the

way they need to and is going to consistently pick up four five six yards for you every time you hand on the rock man i think that his floor is so high in the NFL. And I know Ezekiel Elliott went number four overall, but I don't expect Brees Hall to go number four overall. I don't even, at different times. I don't even, right. I don't even expect Brees Hall to probably be a first round running back, but I do think that he's going to be a player who the NFL covets at the second round. And I think he's going to be a damn good pro. I love it, man. I'll take the baton from you right there. Cause he's my RB one RB1. And you're all over it. I mean, what's really not to like about Brees Hall

when you watch the film? And, you know, the first line, team captain as a junior, that's, you know, under Matt Campbell, I think that really means something. Natural feel for a big runner to find lanes. That was really the first note about the player on the field that I wrote.

Just natural feel. It is so natural to him where, you know, it's a gift. It's a gift. And it's something that is so scheme translatable at the next level that if he goes to the right situation, he could, you know, sleepwalk to 1,000 yards, honestly. Tons of experience in zone. Light feet, changes direction with ease.

Tremendous at making the first man miss. He broke 74 tackles in 2021. Yeah. It's such a, we talk about it all the time. It's a very translatable data point. You know, it really worked out for Javante Williams. It's going to work out for Brees Hall. He is going to break tackles.

He's going to force guys to miss tackles. A big back that can play small and slippery. You know, he can really play any way he needs to in the moment. Long galloping strides when he finds open space. Not top-end gear, like you said, not super breakaway speed, but when he gets into the second level and has space, you do see the long galloping strides, and Zeke had a little bit of that coming out.

I said he has the frame to do it, but Passpro still needs work, mostly coaching and experience and reps. It's not perfect, but you know, it's gotten better over the years. I think when he was on the field initially in 2019, it was rough and it's gotten a lot better over the last two years.

So you could tell he's worked at it. He's the best running back in this class to me. And he's the one that has the best chance to be, you know, it's funny to look at things this way because it doesn't matter as much in scouting but i know it probably matters to a lot of people listening here the guy in the fantasy world that everyone's talking about in three years from now the guy that you gotta have right the guy that's a first round running back and maybe it won't be that way as a rookie maybe he goes the you know jonathan taylor route where he's he's

eased in over time and then explodes. But I just look at Brees Hall, and I love everything about the player. Honestly, I really do. So I'm glad that you have him as RB2. For me, when we decided we were going to do this show about 10 days ago, we knew we were going to do this show. I was like, okay, I really got to make a firm stance with my top three running backs because it felt a little too interchangeable for me at times. Spiller, Kyron, even Walker was in that conversation.

But Brees Hall, every time you go back to his film, running backs, you get juiced up when you're watching the film. There's like an oh moment, like an oh, wow, like he could do that. Brees Hall, every game has those moments. Right now I have my top five running backs. Well, I have my, my whole running back chart broken up in tiers a little bit. My number one and my number two running back are in tier one. Those are the only two guys that I have in tier one. I mentioned Brees Hall. My number one is Kenneth Walker. I like Kenneth Walker a lot,

man. There are some maybe discipline parts of his game, as we mentioned before that you could clean up, but he's five foot 10, he's 210 pounds, pounds man he'll break some tackles he'll make you miss he had more forced missed tackles than anybody in the country this year i believe it was him and bijan robinson from texas who are going back and forth with that title i mean that stuff was comparable to what javante williams was doing the year before when it came to forced missed tackles per attempt and so this dude was just making guys miss left and right, whether it was through contact or whether it was juking them. You know, there's so many big runs to the outside.

And where I do think that Walker probably lacks that true next level elite gear with long speed. He's pretty good, man. I mean, like he, this dude can run. I mean, he's got a pretty decent top gear to him. And that was something that really separated him as I was going through these guys over the last couple of days, really preparing for this podcast. I kept going back to it and I was like, you know what? In a class where it's, it's, it's harder to find standout athletes in this running back group. I think I trust Kenneth Walker the most. He's, he's a very all around unique. I don't want to say unique, but

he's got such all-around game to him. Size, speed, like all that kinds of stuff. Strength profile to his game as well. Now, you mentioned what is holding him back. I think that talent-wise and athlete-wise, that's the reason why I have Kenneth Walker as my RB1 right now. But there's no doubt about it. He's not nearly as polished as he needs to be when it comes to reading the field

in front of him, following his blockers the way that he needs to and then pass protection as well but those are all things that i think can improve which goes into the projection of why i have him at the top here i'm trusting him being a little bit of the better athlete um i can't i i think i would like kenneth walker it's funny enough i you mentioned how much he struggled behind that man blocking concept that michigan State consistently ran because he just wasn't reading things correctly. He was bouncing guys to the outside and he was kind of coming up with bad tendencies. But I have in my notes, like, I think that a man blocking concept is probably what's going to suit him best. Now, I also think that he could operate in some

zone blocking scheme as well. I agree with that, though. Yeah, I think that a man blocking concept, the power rushing concept is going to be the best for him because I think he has that strength profile, that ability that you need to make guys miss in between the tackles. And then you'll see what happens from there, man. You get this guy against linebackers. I think you'll like what you see from the results. So Kenneth Walker is my, my RB one as of right now in this class.

I definitely like him a lot, man. Man, that was, it was really good that we you know the overall puzzle pieces we used were similar but the way we put it together well they're looking a lot it was a little different and and it was funny that a lot of our scouting reports were very very similar but it's more of okay i like the this flavor better or i think this is translatable and and i think this running back class is so unique because i think it'll be the same for every you know and frontline analysts doing this and i think it'll be the same for teams i guarantee like we come out of the combine and

like you know what did this team tell you about the running back class what did this team and you're gonna hear five different things from you know eight different teams and i think honestly that's more fun than the old, oh, you know, this guy's the top tackle, and then this guy's the second one. There's going to be a lot of jumbling of the rankings and names, I think, for a lot of different positions in this class. So we definitely want to get to some guys

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of nailed it trevor that maybe the elusiveness isn't exactly what you look for in his game. But much like Pierce, he's a very safe middle-of-the-pack runner in this class. So I hated leaving Algier off this list. I think he has really good film. Once again, that mental makeup

of that linebacker mentality. Him and Abramith are similar players in this class for me for many reasons they have same build similar running style they both played linebacker in college before right uh so i really like algier and wish i could have got him on here what about you another guy i wanted to give a shout out to was missouri's tyler baby uh he had four 200 rushing yard games this is the first time time since Jonathan Taylor and Chuba Hubbard had that back in 2019. So, I mean, his his career is is hilarious. It was very to me.

Didn't really get on the field at all, except for being like this third down scat back kind of like receiver. Like they're basically basically when they were in third and long, like if they were ever in third and 12 or third and 20 or something like that, they put Beatty on the field just to be like, all all right if we got to check it down and make a miracle happen like maybe Tyler maybe you'll help us out so the most rushing actually I'll say this in 2020 in 10 games Tyler Beatty had 242 rushing yards okay this past year he had over 1600. I can't just didn't the, the usage just went one year breakout. He had 48 carries the year before and he had 268 carries this past year. They went, all right, I guess we're giving this guy the ball. He's our best weapon. And you know, I think that he delivered a lot.

I like Tyler Beatty. I think he's got some, some good speed, a good speed profile to his game in a class where there's not a lot of guys that boast that. Now, I didn't think he was the fastest guy out there. You know, I would have told you going into the year that he was a speedster, and I really didn't see that nearly as much this year. I'm not sure if he gained a little bit of extra weight

to play running back full-time, like in the full-time role, or I'm not exactly sure what that was, but he didn't seem as long-speed explosive fast as I felt like he was when i watched him going into the season but i mean he's got i think really good all-around game he's a perfect third down back i think zone blocking scheme let him get moving let him get that momentum going put the foot in the ground let him shoot a lane and and i think that he can make guys miss in that regard too he's not shy for contact for a guy that really was used as a third down receiving back the year before he's really not shy for contact now man i think that he gives you a lot more well-rounded game than you think he brings some good athleticism he just

didn't have that if he had that final gear that i thought that he did going into the year i think he probably would have cracked my top five but instead he's just right outside of it yeah he's kind of the you know the poster child as they say for that don't fear the one-year breakout right like why did this happen now and you said it just why didn't they actually use him this way and when they did he exploded the production was off the charts and uh has been used in every aspect of their offense so Beatty is somebody that is really interesting I'm I am curious to see how he tests because he's somebody that can get a legitimate bump if he shows he you know maybe he does slim down because like you said his role at missouri i don't nobody projects that for him at the next level where maybe you get a

more defined role in the nfl as a scat back change of pace you're gonna play 30 of the snaps maybe you do drop some weight. Maybe you do look more explosive. Maybe you do test at that weight and show everyone, no, this is what I can be when I have a more defined role, not when I'm expected to be the workhorse back. So, okay. So we got our top fives done. We did the guys that just missed the cut. Now, probably my favorite part of what we do with position groups. This is the guys that aren't in the top 50, not expect to be top 50 picks that we might want to know more about, or we, we just like them as this dart throw on day three.

I'll start with Devante price is someone who did have a nice week in mobile. Yeah. And this is like, I told you, I, I just got to this one, the full film this morning before we did this show after what we saw in

mobile. So there's work to be done here with price uh he impressed me in pass pro and mobile and with the tape you know not a lot of usage number one was on a horrible football team so that that's it's not good to be a running back on a a basement football team you know you're gonna have to really do your do your research to see and more projecting than oh it, it's all right there. Here's the 30 explosive plays. With Price, I think for a big guy, he's about 6'1". He came in at 200 at the Senior Bowl. I think he can play a lot heavier than that. I think he played at 215. He's got a good body type and he moves well for that size. I think the acceleration is very impressive for that size.

I think he's got enough make you miss at the second level. I think he can use power, but he can use a cut, spin move. So when you look look at price he's somebody i'm looking at this class and going man on a bad team but is doing everything the right way throughout the process of mobile getting his body right now we'll see it for the combine showing he's a more well-rounded player he's the guy i'm very very curious about in this class who are you looking at so somebody that i and i'm glad that you gave him a shout out i wanted to give this guy a shout out to james cook the running back from georgia dalvin cook's little brother i'm not gonna lie to you man i like james cook a lot like he's he's decent he's in my top 10 of

running backs man just i feel like underutilized at georgia for a lot. He's decent. He's in my top 10 of running backs, man. I feel like underutilized at Georgia for a lot of reasons. They use him as a third down back a lot. So one, baseline. I think he's got great receiving skills. They don't just use him out of the backfield either. They use him on the line of scrimmage. He's a slot guy. One of his touchdowns that I watched was of him as an outside receiver,

just absolutely cooking an outside corner that kind of came out there with him. So, man, I think that he brings a really nice athletic profile again to a running back class that is looking for athletes what a lot of people are going to be looking for he's 5 11 190 okay so he carries about 20 pounds less of muscle than his brother dalvin cook does and you could see in his game where the lack of that 20 pounds shows up right shows up in speed shows up in strength shows up in his ability to break tackles and so being a much lighter back certainly shows up in that regard but his running style very similar he runs very hard and man he's smooth his acceleration's fantastic i like it man i i think that he has he is one of the few backs I was able to watch in this class

where I did not question whether or not he was athlete enough for the NFL. And that's something that really stood out to me, and that's something that has him a little bit higher. So I think that he's going to be a third down back in the NFL. I don't think this guy's an early down back. I don't think he's going to be a workhorse. But for a specialization guy, especially as a receiving back, I think that he is very nuanced right now,

understands that part of the position really well, and I think he's an athlete enough to make a difference in the NFL. So that is my, yeah, that's my love for James Cook there. Anybody, do you have any James Cook thoughts or anybody else that you wanted to give a shout out to? I do. If you were doing these rankings based on like, you know, top five receiving backs, James Cook is in there every time. He's shown it as a pass catcher in a league

that so many of these coordinators and, you know, head coaches like to motion their backs out as slot guys, even out wide, get them involved in pitch passes, just use them in a variety of ways. Cook is equipped, has a skill set that is equipped to handle all of that. So I think he's one of the more unique players in this running back class. Like when we went through it today, you can see a little bit of this, not the same, but you could see similarities in how Walker and Spiller and Brees Hall are built up, right? And even Pierce to a degree. And then, you know, I talked about it with Algier and Abram Smith. Like with Cook, that's a little bit more of a unique skill set

that some teams come into the draft and go, man, we got our 1A and 1B ponies. Like we know we can run these guys down to the wire. They can hurt people. But we're missing that number three that brings a little something different to this offense and that's going to help james cook a lot my last guy that i wanted to give a shout out to was pierre strong jr the running back from south dakota state man

if you pop on pierre strong jr's tape i mean you're gonna have a blast like just get your popcorn out and just get ready for it man it's fun with him going up against that level of competition he's just a better athlete than a lot of the guys that he's going up against and that that running back or i'm sorry that run blocking unit for the jackrabbits as well was pretty damn good so they gave him some good rushing lanes he was able to put his foot in the ground he was really either able to get up to the sideline or up the middle and create some huge runs he's got a lot of fun on his tape he's got a little wiggle as well he's not shy about contact i really liked getting to know him a little bit better at the shrine bowl got to sit down with him uh for a few minutes there and talk to him also i thought that he was pretty great in practice as well stood out

as one of the best running backs there and so i like pierre strong i really do and this is another player who i'm very interested to see what he tests at in indianapolis because right now a lot of people are going to watch his tape and be like he's one of the fastest dudes in this class like look at look at him he's leaving dudes in the dust and i go hold on wait he's playing montana state okay like all respect to montana state right like they just did they did not play against high level competition so that's why i'd love to see what pierre strong tests at at the combine because that's going to mean a lot to his profile because he thinks it's a smaller back.

He's going to be more of a speed back. He's going to have to be. So is he as much of a difference maker speed-wise as we saw on tape? Can he hang in the NFL? Does he have that NFL athleticism? I think he does, but I'd like to confirm it there. Other than that, man, a lot of fun tape. He had three 1,000-yard seasons.

Could have been four if it wasn't for that COVID-abbreviated season. So he could have had four three 1,000-yard seasons. Could have been four if it wasn't for that COVID-abbreviated season. So he could have had four straight 1,000-yard years. So this dude, ton of production, knows what he's doing in the position. I'd love to see what he's test like. I could tell the excitement in your voice when I asked you how Shrine was going. And Strong was basically the first guy you brought up. He's good, man. Yeah, and then you do what?

I got to dive into this tape a little bit. And, man, you're right. That team beat up on some fronts. Like he had some space to, you know, giddy up and he takes advantage of it. There's no denying there. You could see why the production was there for those 3,000 yard season. So the last note I'll leave everyone with, because we always like to do a number to know to round out these position groups a number that you know stands out

to you and means something to you and for me uh this one is a little chalky because it's to do with my number one back Brees Hall I'm not giving you the Jared Stearns never drops a pass kind of but with Brees Hall something that is notable to me Trevor is that he had the last three years right 10 yard plus runs right explosive run plays 28ive run plays. 28, 38, 36. And when you look at a lot of prospects, it's, you know, 5, 20, and then maybe even like 40. Or sometimes it's like 10 and 20. With Brees, it's just the fact that every single year,

it didn't matter what their offensive line looked like. It didn't matter whatever issues brock purdy had going on on the field at the time breeze hall found a way almost every single game sometimes multiple times a game to create an explosive run for three years and if you can do that for three years in a power five conference in a situation that is not you you're not playing with all NFLers on the offensive line, you're not playing always with a top-tier quarterback prospect, you're going to be able to do that at the next level. And that was a big piece of the puzzle of how Brees Hall ends up

my number one running back on today's show. I love it. There we go. All right, I'm going to leave it at that. I didn't have one that was going to bring to the table, but if it's a Brees Hall stat that we're ending on, that's a good place to end it for me. There we go. Those are our top five running backs for the 2022 class. Obviously, as Connor said,

there's a lot that could change between now and the NFL draft, but just giving you guys a little recap for myself. I had Kyron Williams at number five, Tyler Algier at number four, Isaiah Spiller at three, Brees Hall two, and then Kenneth Walker at one. Connor had Damian Pierce at five, Kenneth Walker four, Isaiah Spiller at three, Brees Hall two, and then Kenneth Walker at one. Connor had Damian Pierce at five, Kenneth Walker four, Isaiah Spiller at three, Kyron Williams at two, and then Brees Hall at number one. Let us know who your favorite back is in this class.

Let us know what your top five is. We would love to hear from you. Hit us up at Tampa Bay Trey on Twitter, at Connor J. Rogers on Twitter, or if you're watching this on YouTube, feel free to reply in the comment section. Let us know what you guys think of this running back class. Appreciate you guys listening. Rogers on Twitter, or if you're watching this on YouTube, feel free to reply in the comment section. Let us know what you guys think of this running back class. Appreciate you guys listening. We will be back on Monday morning with another episode of the NFL Stock Exchange. We'll see you guys then. Thank you.