NFL Stock Exchange: An NFL Draft Podcast - Collab Mock Draft (With Brett Kollmann & EJ Snyder)

Episode Date: March 26, 2025

0:00 - Intro 8:00 - Titans 12:40 - Browns 14:30 - Panthers (Trade With Giants) 21:50 - Patriots 31:00 - Jaguars 38:05 - Raiders 47:15 - Jets 53:35 - Giants (Trade with Panthers) 58:40 - Saints 1:03:35 - Bears 1:07:35 - 49ers 1:09:15 - Cowboys 1:11:35 - Dolphins 1:15:10 - Colts 1:17:30 - Falcons 1:21:20 - Cardinals 1:24:45 - Bengals 1:30:00 - Seahawks 1:31:50 - Buccaneers 1:39:00 - Broncos 1:41:45 - Steelers 1:45:50 - Chargers 1:48:35 - Packers 1:53:50 - Vikings 1:55:10 - Texans 1:57:45 - Rams 1:59:10 - Ravens 2:02:50 - Lions 2:07:20 - Commanders 2:07:50 - Bills 2:09:45 - Chiefs 2:12:05 - Eagles

Welcome to the opening bell of the NFL stock exchange podcast. I'm Trevor Sikama. That is Connor Rogers. And if you see the other two screens here, ho ho, it's because we got a doozy here for you. It is the beginning, the inaugural, the very first, collaboratory, not a word, mock draft series that we have here for the 2025 NFL draft cycle. And Connor and I are joined by our very good friends,

Brett Coleman and EJ Snyder from the Bootleg Football Channel. Fellas, this is one of our favorite podcasts that we get to do every single year. Getting to link up with you guys for a what we would do mock draft. And selfishly, that's the part that I'm the most excited about. not only are we giving the good people a brand new first round mock draft but I get to hear what you guys have to say about the first round which is why I tune into your channel anyway so fellas I appreciate you joining us once again how you guys doing? Let's get weird.

I love it. I love it. Who's the Buffalo linebacker that you love so much? Sean Dolak. Have you got to him yet by the way? I have. I watched him. I watched him indeed. He is just a, uh, he, he you guys ever watched the, the, the T the show, the program, you know? Yeah. I mean that's him. Just the middle linebacker, just praying for contact. Just like he's hoping to make a training camp, see it at the table. You know, like that's what he's, that's what he's hoping to make a training camp Seat at the table! You know like that's what he's that's what he's trying to do He just wants to make tackles and make things happen. Ram's at 26 buckle up Ram Spence He's in play

What have you done to my boy? This is terrible You drafted all you didn't draft Omar Spates and he was somehow a starter for you and undrafted free agent But yeah, we're drafted Sean Dolak in the first round to buckle up. Connor, I got to ask you how you are because I'm great. I'm glad to do that. To pull the curtain back, like we jump in to record and us four are just so excited. We start podcasting way too long without hitting record. It's it's great.

But everybody misses out on so much good content. This is obviously one of our favorite shows of the year, and I can't wait to get it started. Guys, you do such an unbelievable job. I think first and foremost, covering the draft like at a deep level that not a lot of podcasts do. And for anybody out there that loves what we do and isn't following what they're doing over on the bootleg football channel, please do so. Like we're in the part of the draft season where obviously we're talking about first rounders because it's a lot of fun and we're doing a full first round mock,

but like these dudes do such a great job of diving even deeper. And now that we get into, okay, we're at the, we're into the end of March. We're getting into April. A lot of people go, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah. The top 50 names. We get it. What about rounds two, three, four, you know, things like that. They do an unbelievable job of not only scouting these guys, but they've got a lot of player interviews that they do every single year as well. So it's truly the depth of a draft class that I think the bootleg channel really

shines. So, uh, I just wanted to give you guys your flowers there and make sure that if anybody is listening to this, this, and, and does not subscribe to your channel, they absolutely need to do so. Do you guys have like, uh, I know I'm putting you on the spot here. I know you guys did a lot of interviews, like a favorite type of an interview that you did this year, like one where, Oh man, you got done with a certain interview. And

whether you guys have posted or not, like, dude, this guy was amazing. Because that's also the part of this draft process and every draft process that not a lot of people get a ton of insight to. But you guys do a great job of just sort of giving people that peek behind the curtain of how these prospects are as people as much as players. So I'm curious, is there one that really stood out to you one way or another when you were doing those film breakdowns? I'll give you two. The one we just posted with Kyle McCord is fantastic. I thought

Kyle did a great job of breaking down why he had the season he had and how his teammates helped him and how the system helped him. So go check that one out. That just dropped yesterday. And the other one was one we did with the Kansas cornerbacks, and I say plural, so we had Melodotsin and Kobe Bryant. And somebody told us coming in, oh, it's really good that you got both of them because this one opens that one up. And they sat down and we were like, no, that's backwards.

They said Kobe was the quiet one. Right? Oh, really? Yeah. It's like, nah. Oh, really? Yeah. It's like, nah. And we were like, I don't think so.

Have they ever met him? 30 seconds in, we're like, nope, that's backwards. Yeah, but they're both great. That one's really good too. So that's probably coming, I think, next week. But yeah, I appreciate all the fine things you said about our channel. And we feel the same way about you guys as evidence for that. When you said, will you, when you saw me in dallas

You didn't finish your statement and I said, yeah, we're in yeah Which is which is why we love you because we know that you're down to ride for any sort of draft content and especially When it comes to collaboration stuff so tis the season, you know getting to the end of march and into this time of april We start this uh colab mock draft series. So it So it's awesome to kick it off with you guys. Normally I ask Connor, does he want to pick for odds or evens? But if you are new to the Colab mock draft series, what we do here on the show is we bring in guests

and then we go 2v2. So Connor and I are actually gonna team up and Brett and EJ are gonna team up. We're still gonna alternate odds and evens, but that makes it a lot more fun. You hear a lot more conversations. And of course, like I said, at the top, this is now a, what we would do mock draft, which Connor and I haven't done it. What we would do mock draft in shoot months now, you know,

we're trying to predict what's going to happen, but it's no fun having a guest on and then having them just sort of predict what we're all trying to predict. I want to pick their brain. Where are they with these prospects? So I think that makes it a lot more fun. So Brett and EJ, I will ask you guys, want to pick for odds or do you want to pick for evens here? I think we definitely want the odds

just so we get both the bucks and the jets. Let's go. That's what I was hoping for. It's great for us. Got to get Sean Dolak in the first round somehow. So seven just feels right. God, I swear if you pick Dolak at 19 for the bucks, we'll unplug it. We'll unplug this bad boy real quick.

But OK, this is good. This is good. I'm pumped that I'm pumped that you guys have the odds here because it, you know, again, it just gives us a chance to kick back and listen to how you guys are going to analyze our favorite team. And also, you know, Brett gives you a chance to try to fix Houston's offensive line, which went from not good to. Oh, God. OK. Yeah. Say why, Trev?

Say why? Because we willingly traded a franchise left tackle, because apparently if you're not getting leadership from more than 10 guys in the locker room, there's a problem. You can't rely on the head coach, can't rely on the quarterback or, I don't know, any of the defensive linemen No need the left tackle to be the leader of the team apparently just never mind the fact he's third best in the league and Pressure allowed rape, but whatever just I'm not running the team. Do you send him a couple of inspirational like tic-tacs?

You know like the motivational speaker tic-tacs like that that would have got him on track. He could have kept them on the team It's all we needed to do here. You didn't have to ship Trav your check is in the mail. I'm never gonna get over it, by the way. Thanks, brother. I'm really not. I'll get double stake next time I'm at Chipotle with that check there.

Okay, so you guys are up at number one. I've pulled up the beautiful PFO mock draft simulator, which you guys can do at home. You can follow along with this podcast, or you can do mock drafts yourself. If you go to pff.com, you have a PFF mock draft simulator, which you guys can do at home. You can follow along with this podcast, or you can do mock drafts yourself. If you go to pff.com, you have a PFF subscription. You can run anything from one to two to three to four to seven round mock drafts.

You can also run as many as you possibly want in a single given day. It is truly limitless if you have a PFF subscription. So go ahead and do that. We're gonna click all teams here. We're gonna go one round, enter the draft. Okay. Now I got to ask you guys a question up at the very top. What are we doing here? We trading.

We got trades up before the draft starts. You thinking about it? What are we doing with the Titans? I will leave the floor to you guys to discuss what you want to do here. Number one with Tennessee. EJ, I think so there's nuance to this, right? Um, cause it would be easy just to say, yeah, take Cam Ward is the best quarterback in the class. You also have to acknowledge that if Cam Ward came out last year, he

would have been at best QB seven. So it's not necessarily a, is Cam Ward the best prospect in the class? No, but he is the best quarterback in the class and he's at least good enough to justify it, especially when you look at what they currently have at quarterback. Like, you can't do another season of Will Levis, you just can't do it. So I think you just kind of have to divorce the prospect grade from the reality of where this team is and at least acknowledge that he's close enough that you're willing to take a swing on it because I don't know if you get fired anyway who cares right

I mean they care obviously I live my life I live my life today like I want to get fired no I'm with you with Tennessee while I was at combine, I got to sit with the FieldVision Pro two guys. And one of the examples we use to demonstrate their software was indeed Will Levis, and it was the typical quartile graph. Top right, good bottom left bad. Will Levis is so far down in the left hand corner. You can only see like three quarters of his face. Like it's not just that he's bad.

He's real, real bad. It's not that you can run him back and in any way seriously say we're trying to compete. So while Cam Ward is not the best player in this class, it becomes a question of very much, what are you going to do if you don't? And, you know, I think Cam Ward is a good quarterback with an above average arm that could grow into a mid level

starter. And that is enough to take the swing on when you're staring down the barrel of gestures and everything, literally nothing else. Yeah, I mean, I I do agree with sort of what you guys are saying there. It feels I am

shocked at how little, not only the Tennessee Titans did, but also the Cleveland Browns and the New York Giants did at the quarterback position. And we'll talk about those guys as we get to those picks at two and three, but I thought we'd be in a situation where, sure, one or two of them might be fighting for Cam Ward.

I mean, all three of those teams are unbelievably desperate for like the same exact reasons. They don't really have other options to believe in, which is crazy to me sort of going into this point. Connor, anything to add to that? Because it sounds like they're taking Ward here at one. No, it's what I would do if this was us. I'd fight pretty hard to stay Pat and take him

with your Tennessee situation. I like Cam Ward quite a bit. I think it's totally stay Pat and take him with your Tennessee situation. I like cam ward quite a bit I think it's totally justifiable to take him number one if you're Tennessee and you know, you're right like Tennessee It just didn't do much of anything in the pro market to upgrade this position While the we know the Giants tried to get Aaron Rodgers, right? It you would think that the Browns eventually might sniff around her cousins and they brought in Russell Wilson for a visit So I know we're doing what we would do but all signs point to Tennessee also leaning this way because it's just logic prevails right, I

Think so all due respect to Brandon Allen who they signed they did sign Brandon Allen So I you know have to shout have to shout that one out. Okay, so can more number one then guys And yeah do you think about trading back at all whatsoever or again does it just go back to the point where it's like you can't even afford to explore that? I really don't think you could afford it. I'm with you. Again, I like cam war as a prospect. I really do. Would he go number one in a normal year? He wouldn't, but it is what it is, right? If you think you're getting at least a solid starting quarterback out of it.

If you pass on a solid starting quarterback, when you have Will Levis, like you're just not doing the right thing. Stop. And the other thing being this year is this year, you're not going to get the same amount of trade value moving back that you would in a typical year because of the wide middle of talent and the similarity of grades as you get really past the middle of the first round. So it's not like there's going to be some huge draft hall for losing that. And then you have to

look at, okay, then then who do we pick? And you look at the rest of the quarterback since class and you go, I think we'll stay put. Yeah. Only only way that I wouldn't entertain this if I was Tennessee is if I believed Chidora Sanders and Cam Ward were on the same plane and I get to trade back to number three and probably pick one of those guys. Cause it would be a coin flip for me anyways, but that's not what I think. I don't actually think that. And so you're right. I would go with cam ward at number one Connor. We're on the clock here at number two. It's what we would do mock draft.

I know they need a quarterback, but I am not considering one here with the two guys that we have at the very top of the draft board What do you think? No, obviously our top two players and you have you and I have shared the same opinion on who the number one player in The draft is for a while now, although it's not consensus you and I have shared that opinion that it's Travis Hunter and When you look at the Browns in this spot, you can't go wrong with either player

I mean imagine Abdul Carter and Miles Garrett screaming off the edges. That's absolutely insane. But I think that Travis Hunter would not only be really valuable to them at corner, but there's a lot he could do on offense for this team. When you look at how it's constructed. Yeah, Jerry, Judy really figured it out last year. Cedric Tillman, before he had the concussion.

He had some really tough injury luck. He looked really good as maybe a number three. But then you plug in Travis Hunter as this, you know, part-time number two. Things look really different for this team real quickly. So I would go with Hunter here, Trev, because I think he's the best player on the draft. For as good as Abdul Carter is, I agree with you.

I think that Abdul Carter's a really, really good prospect, and I think he could be a really good pro at a premium position that is a pass rusher on the edge. With all that to say, what Travis Hunter is, is rare. Like, even if you're only getting, like, a little bit, like, even if it's just the theory of him potentially playing corner or wide receiver for you, he can legitimately play both at the pro level hit the uniqueness of who he is as a football player trumps, in my opinion,

even the uniqueness of a talent like Abdul Carter playing a premium position that is a pass rusher on the edge. So I agree with you. Um, let's do it. Let's go with Travis Hunter here at number two overall to the Cleveland Browns, uh, fellas, you're on the clock now with the New York Giants at number three. If you have any Travis Hunter thoughts and you know, considering him for the Giants or wishing that you would have got here, feel free to do that as you sort of talk about who you would now select at number three for the Giants.

Yeah, that kind of does piss me off because I really wanted Travis Hunter at three. So yeah, I bet it does brother. And I look at Cleveland's depth charter receiver. You got Judy, you got woods, you got Tillman. How fast would it be or how fast would it take for Travis to become their number one receiver there, even with Judy? I would say what? First week of camp?

Yeah. It's just, it's just how much can he give to the offense? Yeah. It's not, it's not ability based. Yeah, I'm with you. And they've, they said that they, we Yeah, I'm with you. And they've they said that they We just I can't remember if we said this when we were recording or not recording But we were jokingly talking about oh sometimes these coaches and players lie when they're at the combine podium

Which I thought was illegal, but EJ let me know that that's actually not the case You do that they do do that sometimes but the Browns did say, hey, you know, we think that Travis Hunter could play both. But Andrew Berry said wide receiver is what we would primarily look at him at. And I think that that fits for him in Cleveland. It really does. I think before we make our pick.

Yeah, go ahead. EJ, would you entertain trading Abdul Carter? Probably not. Depends on how far down, right? If you're going to go maybe a couple of spots down and you had somebody else you liked better, I could see it depending on who it was. But if you're going to say go farther than about seven or eight,

I'm going to say what about ten? I would love to have him on the team. Look Abdul Carter's bear would be fantastic. There's a huge need there He would plug in across from sweat and make that line legitimate in a way instantly that is Necessary they do need an edge in a way instantly that is necessary. They do need an edge in this draft. He is the very best one. What's the cost, right? You know, if the if the Giants are going to take like 40 cents on the dollar in a crap

draft just because they want to move down, why would they like they shouldn't? And unless they're going to do that, I'm going to preserve the picks and do something else. But love the player, love the fit. I just don't think I'm down with the cost. So something I want to bring up just because of the structure of the Giants defense, I almost kind of feel like Abdul would play the same role that Brian Burns does. Yes, I would agree. Yeah.

So that's what kind of throws a wrench into it. It's like, what if. Jacksonville wanted to come up, right? What if what if what if the Patriots were like, we really want Abdul, Travis is already gone, we have no interest in Chedure. Like, what if the plan was, which is what we think it is, based on, I don't know, everything, they're gonna do Shador anyway,

what would it cost for the Patriots to come up for a spot just to make sure they're getting Abdul instead of somebody who's below them who would then come up? I'll tell you, I think Carolina would get aggressive. That's the move right there. I think Carolina would get aggressive at eight. I move right there. I think Carolina would get aggressive at eight. I really do. And they should, right?

Yeah. And that makes more sense to me from both sides, right? If you believe, because I was going to flip it on its head, Brett, and say, okay, so if we don't take Abdul as the Giants, who's your guy? If you believe it should do, or if you believe that's the route they're going to take

or the route they need to go, yeah, I think you're probably still going to get him at a and Carolina makes perfect sense you know Dan Morgan's there and he can he can get aggressive and get a piece for that defense that he really needs that is going to give them a jump in the rookie season, which is important when you're in the top 10. So, I mean, if we're just using the, um, draft check, draft tech, NFL trade value chart for the draft picks here to move from three to eight would be a difference of about 800 points, the Panthers second round pick, because they have the Ram second round pick. Remember they don't have their own, but that second round pick is they have the Rams second round pick remember they don't have their own but that second round pick is like 330 points so it

would probably cost you expensive it would probably cost you a two and a three this year because Carolina's got two well no they have their third round pick and then they have two fourth round picks then they have three fifth round picks geez so they might they might be okay with this. You'd probably have to give either your one next year or two this year, three this year, two next year. I would, I would, I don't know about you, EJ. I would prefer the two, the three and the two, just because I think Carolina might take a little bit of a jump this year. Not that they're going to be like great, but I don't think they're going to be a top or a bottom 10 team.

Yeah. If you can preserve one next year, you always want to do it, especially because, like you said, Carolina's probably not winning the Super Bowl this year. Sorry, Panthers fans. Spoiler alert, I know I should have said so first, but. And New York is also in a spot where like this regime kind of has to pick their own players, right? For as much as you would love to be like, oh, OK, yeah, first round or next year. Ain't no guarantee that Joe Shane, Brian, David, right?

Right. You want the instant capital for your bad roster. And they still need a lot of stuff. Right. Yeah, there's multiple pieces for sure. So so I I'd entertain that. I think the Giants would probably entertain that this year as well, because they have two pretty good edges already. You know, does Abdul Carter make the roster better? Yeah, he makes everybody's roster better.

That's not the point. It's that they can get some capital in a thin draft, move down, still get the quarterback that you think they want, Brett. And, you know, have an answer, just like we talked about at the top with Tennessee. They come out of the draft with knowing which direction they're going to go. So that being said. Carolina, you guys are good with it. Yeah, I would say, oh, yeah, we did for eight.

Oh, yeah, yeah, let's go get out of the car. I didn't even realize I didn't even realize the driver seat, baby. Yeah, we actually have to sign off on this deal. Yeah, you have to say yes. What's the, what's the Dowdegan Nights line where he's like, excuse me, Mr. Dannen, I'm about to do some driving, actually. So I like this.

I actually like signing off on this deal, Connor, if you're good with it. Yeah, I'm a fan. All right, let's go get Abdul Carter. I always enjoy doing that. You know, because I have all the power. So Caroline is up at number three. So we're trading up to number three.

We're taking Abdul Carter. Simple as that adding him to Asia or Everose 3-4 scheme and man now, you know with Carter Man this defensive line all of a sudden is pretty nice I mean, you know, they're doing Milton Williams They kind of did for like 45 minutes in theory and now they don't anymore which is a bummer but Fully healthy is Judea being clowning's Patrick Jones to the second who I think is actually an excellent edge three Abdul Carter and then on the interior it's Bobby Brown the third who had a really good year last year with the Rams

as a run stuffer Trishon Warden who is a good run stuffer from the Kansas City Chiefs who got a bag really did this offseason and then of course Derek Brown so I'm all for it. There's your identity. There's the identity. Okay, so now we're still up with the Patriots at number four. Connor, there's a lot of different ways that the Patriots could go here. If a dual Carter was on the board, I would think about trading back if I was them,

but he is not. So I don't think it's as alluring for anybody to come and move up. I think it's more about them staying at number four. So who do you like here for them? Well, obviously, I would think you you know, you'd love to have one of the top two players that just went, which is tough for New England, because now I feel like. I just I stand in the camp that I don't think Will Campbell is a,

you know, a great tackle. I think he'll be a great guard and an average tackle. So I don't know if I want to spend the fourth overall pick on Will Campbell Mason Graham is definitely a fit, but I know they're probably thinking offense here and It feels a little early for Tet as much as I like Tet This is a tricky spot. I mean it really really is like there's no when you run New England scenarios, you're hoping that one of Hunter or Carter make it. But to be fair, why should they?

And I think this is a totally realistic spot. So I think Graham, I think Gent is the best player on the board and hint hint. They need a running back, but I don't think they can afford to take one fourth overall. And then Graham would actually be the next best player for me. So I would actually sit here and say, Graham, if they had a real day to plan on how to address their offensive needs, what do you think, Trevor? Even with so the only reason why I wouldn't. Take Graham is just because they just signed Milton Williams. And in theory, they had Milton Williams and have Christian Barmore now.

Yeah, Barmore is a giant. They know more than us. what's going on there. Right. I mean, he had the blood clots thing. He didn't play really. It's not just the clots, it's the need to. So. Like it's just a,

but I mean, he is a really good player when he's healthy. So if they feel like he's cleared for the season, then yeah, they would not take Graham in that spot. I just feel like no matter what I do on offense here, I'm either reaching or taking a running back. no matter what I do on offense here, I'm either reaching or taking a running back. You know what I mean? Like, really, which is amazing. Yeah. Fast. The top of this draft unravels.

People are like, oh, yeah, absolutely. Yeah. They're like, yeah, right through eight. No problem. I'm like eight. Like, really? I'm sure about what happens at four and five. I'm I'm like eight. Really? Sure about what happens at four and five. I'm not. And here we are with only, you know, three players off the board and we're like, I don't know what we're going to do.

I know. I mean, I guess if I drowned, if I just didn't care about him, in my opinion, being a long term interior player, I would take Campbell. Right. He's the best offensive lineman on the board from a talent perspective. Right. So, because they also-

You don't think of Membu at all? I like Membu a lot, but they have to be- I think Membu is the best tackle in the draft, but they have to be hoping Morgan Moses can be a stopgap for them this year. Unless they think Membu plays on the left side, which I wouldn't draft them and just throw them to the left side. I think that's a bad strategy. It would be determined by, I'm assuming they're doing a 30 visit for him and them doing a private workout. We wouldn't know that. Exactly. Yeah, like if they took Membu here, I'm like, hey, he's the best tackle on

the board. And you know, to counter the Moses point, like he's hurt every year at this point. He's an old tackle, he's a good player, but his body has failed him every single year for about three years. So I mean, Trevor, what do you think? Like, I know you like Campbell more than me at tackle. So maybe there's an argument there. Yeah. I don't really have an issue taking Will Campbell at 11.

I don't. I also don't have an issue with taking Tetra O McMillan at four. I think he's a stud. And if I think that some people would be like, well, Mike Evans was picked seventh and Drake London was picked eighth. None of them were even in the top five. Every draft class is different.

Yeah, that's not a good way to evaluate it. We just had the conversation that like, okay, yeah, sure, you get past the top three picks and then it's the wild, wild west. So at that point, I think this draft class kind of just becomes whatever you want it to become. And it's just the players that are good. You just got to pick the players that are good.

I'm not taking Tetsuro McMillan over the wide receivers that were in last year's class. It's not last year's class, it's this year's. And I'm comfortable with him as wide receiver one this year. And I think he's going to be a damn good football player. So I had, I'm not going to lie. I had not thought of Mason Graham. And I don't think they would do it.

And I guess I don't think we should, but I wonder if there's more to the give Milton Williams whatever he wants to come to New England than necessarily just what he did in Philadelphia and maybe more of like, oh, we're kind of worried about Barmore long-term. And if that's the case, then Mason Gray wouldn't be crazy, but I would go with Tetro McMillan,

Will Campbell, or Armand Membou. One of those- Yeah, you gotta help Drake May in this, like you almost have to. Right, do you have a power ranking of those three? Because whatever your power ranking is of those three, I would be comfortable going with them. Off of pure talent?

Just talent, not evaluating that I think Campbell's a guard. It would be Campbell, Memboo, and Tet, and they all made my last top 10 the last time I did a big board. So it's not a gigantic reach. If I have to have a tackle, I take Mamboo, which is why in this scenario, I kind of land on Tet, honestly.

Really? Because somebody's gotta catch the damn ball for Drake May. Like this. I can go get a guard on day two of this draft, right? That's, I can get a guard on day two of this draft. I'm cool with it. I think Tetra or McMillan dates. Look, this draft. I'm cool with it I think Tetra McMillan's awesome man

Yeah, I'm not one of those people that has just gone on the roller coaster with him, which seems like the whole community I've been the same about Ted since we watched him in July right right like the roller coaster went up and then it got stuck and we've been waiting for the mechanic ever since and we're right Here we just screaming Give me out of here sucks So I don't go on rollercoaster, okay, let's take that's your own McMillan I also got to get this off. I got it. I got to get this off my chest, too

We I'm watching the timeline and I'm very curious as to what you guys think of Tets Tetsuro McMillan. So this might be funny if I go on this rant and then you guys are like, he stinks. Uh, but I've been watching the timeline, just like go crazy over Tetsuro McMillan, like, Oh no, he's, he's not even wide receiver one. And now he's barely a first rounder. And I'm like, okay, you know what? I'm going to go watch his lowest graded game that we have at PFF this past season. It was Northern Arizona the second week of the season. It was his lowest graded game the first three plays of that game

He's lined up in the slot. It's an inside slant route first down the second play of the game He's lined up as an ex receiver at the outside Does a great job eating up the cushion against off zone coverage? Breaks exactly where he needs to when the corner back hits his, when he gets in the quarterback's blind spot, the corner panics, has to grab him, defensive pass interference, first down. The third play of the game, he has an inside block where he down blocks from the outside and springs a 50-yard run. And I'm like, what are we doing? Yeah, I know.

What are we doing? I don't know, it's Flagstaff's lander, that's all that is. That's all I heard We're taking tetro and we're going to number four Yeah, we're taking Ted round about way, but we got there I would I would actually love to hear some quick thoughts that you guys have Macmillan before we do the Jags at five He had 34 contested catch opportunities, which is a nutso number and caught 18 of them Which being over 50% on the sample size that large is actually not as common as you think That's right

Like even if it is like a bullshit line no 50 50 is really good like 50% contestant catch rate you're great if you have a 60% Contestant catch rate you are among the leaders in this class There's some guys I really like in this class that are you know in the in the low 60s and People like well, it's just barely better 50-50. I'm like 50-50. It's not real. Yeah. Yeah, yeah It's like six four two twenty was that like 27 percent right? Yeah, like it's not always a guarantee. It is not No, I like to like I like that He's a he's a really good player and I was worried when everybody was talking about the fact that he was going to run slow

more for his benefit than anything else. It's not that he's the same speed on tape. He has been. I think his speed on tape is pretty darn consistent and quite functional. Again, people tend to look at numbers with four, two and four, three and say, oh, if you're not that you can't play wide receiver, it's a fast position. There are a lot of very successful wide receivers, many very successful wide receivers in the NFL who ran four or five something or low four sixes.

Like that is functional speed in the NFL and he's right there and that's fine. So he can get to everything. He's got really good body control. And yeah, the comps to Evans in London are, you know, low hanging fruit, but a lot of the there's a lot of overlap between those three players. Mm hmm. All right. So you guys are up now at number five with the with the Jags.

What are we doing here? E.J., I know this is going to be super easy. To do. Could I sell you one, Gentie? Oh, for the Jags, No, I think they have more needs and I think they can get good things in this running back class. And I mean really good things in this running back class later on down. As far as like blue chip player, like we know we got a good football player. Yeah, you could sell me on that immediately. But I'm not so sure. Sell me on Gentie because I kind of want to hear this.

So Travis Etienne's in the last year of his deal and he's Travis Etienne. Yeah. Yeah. And Tank Bigsby is a really solid number two with two years left on his deal. But we get five years of contract control for potential elite running back. You know, I you got BTJ receiver like I like Parker Washington is a slot. Diami Brown is like your number two. Like you can even just add to the room on day two in this draft like in the absence. And again, I say this as somebody who's like not a massive Mason Graham guy. Like I think he's good.

Yeah, but I don't necessarily see top five good and I'm not gonna speak for you Jay. Maybe he sees it similarly like if I just had if I had to take somebody top five I Would sleep a little bit better at night if it was Ashton Gentile, that's just me Yeah, I again I you're never gonna have to sell me on Gentile being a blue chip player I I believe he is the best at his job in this draft I don't think anybody in this draft is better at doing their job than Ashton Gentry is at being a running back. And again, I'm sort of on the roller coaster with that one since since July, right, since

early early before this season and especially a month into this season, it was very clear that that was the case. So in terms of just pure old security, sure. You're getting a good player and you can say we got a good player and we don't have to do that again until next year. But in terms of need, I think, again, it's good pirate impression, E.J. I always got her. Yeah, we had to tell the pirate jokes, but everybody knows it right now.

So now I I'm trying to think of altered. It's like I know they really want corner. In Jacksonville and again, like defensive line, but you can have the same arguments about defensive line that you have about running back because they're two of the deepest positions in this class. So you could say, hey, you know, if we get Gentie here, we're going to get a really good defensive lineman with our with our second round pick. Where are you leaning then?

Yeah, that's again, I think this draft is extremely messy from the top down. Like, I I don't think there's a clear answer because I'm like you. I think Mason Graham is a good and solid defensive player who will go in the first round. Is he going to be like the first defensive tackle off the board for me talent wise? He's not. So I, you know, I'd sleep less well about that, but boy, I can hear the hue and cry from Duvall now that we took a running back at, you know, five. But would that be worse than the hue and cry of

Two years from now when Mason Graham has a pass or swing rate of 11% I and they don't have to tell me on either of those arguments So if it's just pure old what we would do and I have to sleep better with Jacksonville's pick You know, I'm not gonna Yeah, yeah, I would not going to argue. It's a it's a what you guys want to do. Yeah, yeah. So I would not argue against Gentie from a player because I think he elevates any offense that he goes into pretty much in the league, maybe outside of Philadelphia's because because remember, like they got Walker a little left.

They got Harrison at right. They just signed McCarrie and Hainsey. You got Ezra. Like offensive line, I think they think is is totally fine. So we're rolling out offensive line there. Yeah. The receiver that we probably would have considered is gone. Yeah. And as far as D line, you have a bunch of guys that are graded pretty similarly,

but I don't necessarily have top five grades on any of them. So for me, it's like literally between Gentie and Warren. Yeah, I mean, it is a very wild Jodey Baron pick if they want to make an entire secondary of just Nichols, but like right. I think Jodey could play outside, but I do think he's in the discussion just because he's talented. But yeah, again, this is like we've been having this argument for months as Bears fans at 10.

Here we are five picks earlier, having the exact same argument like, well, there's not a lot of what we really actually want. And the one thing we did want off the board. So now what do we do? And, you know, I think Genties to get out of jail free card on that, because, you know, you're getting a good player like you're getting a really good player. I think you could say the same about Warren. But again, what's the value of a tight end, a top tight end versus a top running

back and is Gentie a better player than Warren? The answer is I think the value is higher for running back. They're going to touch the ball more often. And I think Gentie is a better player than Warren. So if we're talking about those two, it's Gentie. I think I'm going to talk to you and Asham Gentie. I think it was hilarious. It was like, hey, can you talk me into Gentie?

Like, no. And here we are, like four minutes later. It's like yeah, he did Jacksonville like I They probably trade Travis Travis ETN then at this point before the sea. Yeah, it's right Yeah, you have to and you'd get like what a fourth round Like like we're not replacing like prime CMC here. We're talking about a running back that you write for. So I pick four. Yeah. So it's like, no, I hear's.

I'd never thought of it before, but I know. I mean, it's an upgrade for sure in terms of where they are in their career right now. It's just I think it really speaks to the fact that everybody, all fan bases are in this kind of same quandary of it doesn't matter if you're at five or 15 or 20. This draft levels out really, really quick. And then it's just like you said, tribe, you got to pick good players,

but good players are defined by what you need, where you are in your contact structure, where you are in your team building. And it is a very different draft for that. So to your point, Connor, somebody said earlier, oh, well, you know, you don't do X in the top 15, or you never picked this position, you know, before 20. And I'm like, that, just throw all that stuff out the window this year.

This is a very different draft. Lock us in for Gentie then. All right, action Gentie number five overall to the Jacksonville Jaguars would love to hear what any Jacks fans who are listening what they think of that one, or at least just even the conversation that we had there getting something back for Travis ETN, you know,

because look, man, Liam Cohen, obviously he is, he is hired as the head coach because of what he does as a pass game type of a coordinator. They don't have the off season that they had last year in Tampa Bay without Bucky Irving, straight up. They do not have that season without Bucky Irving and Liam Cohen absolutely knows it. So I think that if they think they're all right with their offensive line,

it's not the craziest thing in the world. Connor, that puts us up at number six for the Las Vegas Raiders. thing in the world. Connor, that puts us up at number six for the Las Vegas Raiders. Can I convince you on Tyler Warren? No. No? All right. You tell me. No, no, no. I want to hear it though. We just had this. We just had this. All right? We just did this, okay? All right? I'm gonna try to sell you on it. Yeah, please do. One Tetra Mc- One real football, 12 personnel, tight and heavy. Um... Yeah, we need three of them apparently.

Yeah, the sixth overall pick's gonna play 35% of our snaps. So, so he's not. Here's the thing, alright? They're already shopping Michael Maier. They're trying to move Michael Maier, okay? I think that for whatever reason... Yeah, it's gone well. Well, I think that they're trying to get a lot more for him than he's actually worth.

So, so I think that they are trying to move on from Michael Maier. Well, at least what teams are willing to play for him. You didn't mean for that to be, no, I'm right there with you. I mean, like go figure. Whatever, whatever, you know, his trade value is they're trying to move on from him. Brock Bowers is not as, as much as he is like a pound for pound good blocker for you. He's not a guy that you're gonna want to be in line all the time. Now, I think that Tyler Warren is stronger and bigger. He's also not even somebody that you necessarily want against five technique

defense events all the time. But I think he's a little bit better when it comes online of scrimmage work. So if you draft him, then you set up a scenario where one, you're freeing up Brock Bowers to be used as an X or in the slot whenever you want and you could still play heavy and have a tight end on the field in Tyler Warren. So you get him as a threat and you get Brock Bowers as a massive mismatch at probably both of those spots. Two, Tetro McMillan is obviously not on the board. So if you're thinking wide receiver at all, it's not like you're going him versus Tetra or Macmillan. And I just love the fact that we've talked about them needing a running back. They can get a running back a little bit later, even in this class, or maybe it's even next year, whatever. When you get one of those players, even though I said that on the line of scrimmage, Brock Bowers is probably a not ideal tight end

one when it comes to run blocking responsibilities. I'd love him as a wing back in too tight end in 12 personnel, right? I would love him to even play out of the backfield. Some you can teach him some fullback stuff. So all of a sudden he gets now to be used as a lead blocker in space and Tyler Warren can be attached to the line of scrimmage. I think the flexibility that Tyler Warren gives you on that offense is more valuable than any receiver that you could think of any offensive lineman you could think of any running back that you could think of., obviously, we can go to the other side and talk about how desperately they need a corner.

I fully understand that. But the more I thought about it, honestly, like five minutes ago when they were sort of going outside the box with Gentie, the more I was like, dude, Tyler Warren actually changes this offense for them if they were to draft him. So I don't disagree with anything you said that's the thing like I'd love Tyler Warren on this team, but I Think I'd rather spend this pick on defense and I think the combo to me would actually be between Mason Graham who I still love and Jaday Baron, which this is early for Baron But when you look at their defense like they could use a playmaker on the back end that can handle different roles. And if you had a front four of Max Crosby, Christian Wilkins, Mason Graham and Malcolm Kuntz and whatever they get out of Tyree Wilson, like that's it. That's an identity of how you could actually win some games is like our front four is probably better than yours and you're going to have to deal with that. And that would actually excite me.

I think Graham is in a different tier than a lot of the defensive tackles in this class. is probably better than yours and you're going to have to deal with that. And that would actually excite me. I think Graham is in a different tier than a lot of the defensive tackles in this class. So maybe that's where it's different for me. Like I'm not sitting here as the Raiders and going like, yeah, I'm just going to, you know, get the same guy later on in the draft, whether that's at 37 or 68. I can get a good player, but McMillan being gone is tough. I love Warren. Like you don't have to talk me into Warren. I think he's clearly one of the best players in this draft.

But I mean, both Myers and Bowers play in the slot plenty where I just, I'm a little, I struggle with getting the most out of him with how they would use all of their offensive personnel. I think they'd just go heavier is what they would do, which I don't hate for a league that is I think turning around a little bit from okay we spread things out a lot and now defenses have countered with having a lot of too high stuff and now but the boxes are lighter because you're still trying to stay spread out while having two safeties on the

field and so when you get a little bit heavier it's sort of like in my opinion where offense is going so I don't hate it, but also like, that's a really nasty defensive line if you draft Mason Graham, and I obviously love Mason Graham. So I mean, for context, like I have Graham at four and Warren at five. So if we took Warren, it's totally justifiable.

So it's close. It's totally justifiable. I love Tyler Warren. I just would, I don't know how much better. So you're saying there's a chance. But how much better does this make them as a team? Warren? Yeah. A lot.

You think so? I think extremely. Yes. I still think they'd be extremely thin at outside wide receiver with two giant holes on defense. I don't disagree with what you're saying there. I just wonder, and maybe this is the wrong way

to look at it. I think Warren impacts their team positively more than Jadah Baron does, Will Johnson does, or Mason Graham does. Now that might be a little bit more of a short-sighted benefits the team because the offense is a little bit further along. Like if we draft Jadah Baron, it's like, all right, cool.

Now we only need four more starters in the secondary. You know, so it's like, that's where it's a little tough. It's just too early for Barron for me. I unlike it sounds like you guys, I don't love Jaday Barron just living on the outside playing corner personally. Like that doesn't excite me. Can he play outside?

I think he's Fred McDuffie as a nickel. There you go, which is what I love most about him So but with the Raiders, I'd love an outside corner and Unfortunately, like if this was Will Johnson after 2023 Right at an ink, but we have a lot of questions about Will Johnson after 2024 All right. Well, why don't you game it out with what you think is gonna be there on day two and create great package options? Right, that's the way to do it, is that. Second round, third round, fourth round, fifth round,

three sixth round, wow. No, there's your starting outside corner. Yeah, we're gonna wait for a fan show of Cyprus actually. I mean it is peak, so it's possible, right? Everybody competes. That's what I'm saying. So if you took Warren at six and maybe you're gonna end up winning this Trevor

after all of that It's just ridiculous like utterly ridiculous Connor. I feel your pain. I just did this. Yeah same day Yeah, it is a disgusting feeling would you rather have Tyler Warren and Ty Lee Williams or TJ Sanders or? Darius Alexander or maybe Derek arm is is probably not going to be there. But like one of those guys. Ty League by far. The other two, no. Or Mason Graham and an actual wide receiver that can run for this team. That'd be nice.

Whom? Like Jalen Noll. Are you taking like Jayden Higgins? Sure. Sure. Keep going. We have a lot of options here. Rock Taylor. Oh, all the way down. Sixth round down.

All the way down. Hey Memphis, shout out. Shout out to Memphis. The seven round mock draft stream. We'll get all of this. Who is actually, all right, all right, all right. Mason Graham and Jayden Higgins. Oh man.

Trey Harris, Jalen Noll. You wouldn't pick Restrepo. You wouldn't pick Jack Bash. Why we were recording. We're seeing that Restrepo ran a four eight or four nine. Yeah, we saw that. Whoa. Yeah.

Why we were recording. I mean, we don't have official pro day times on that, but I was like, well, yeah, I chose not to believe it. Yeah, same. I never scrolled away from something faster. Yeah, yeah. Didn't see it. I wasn't at the pro day. Would have stopped. Watch it. Can't be scrolled away from something faster. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Didn't see it. I wasn't at the pro day with a stopwatch.

It can't be real. Okay. Toxic. Okay, Mason Graham and Jaden Higgins or Tyler Warren and Tylee Williams. I love both combos, but I'd still go with the first one to make the team that much better. You don't agree Let's go

Let's go with your scenario You thought this is a one round mock draft. No, I wanna go with Warren because greater fans never, never get this scenario. This never happens. So go with Warren at six. They see Mason Graham at six, probably in 40% of the mock drafts they read.

All right, all right. So go with Warren. All right, all right. I was gonna say, we got a lot more episodes to record between now and the drafts. So I don't want you know, you know quiet hate me until then so I was gonna keep quiet You're right. I'm glad he knows how you'd open up the show Connor. How you doing my friend? Yeah, Jack ass Well, I'm still thinking about that dumbass pick you made in the last month doing all right. I haven't talked to anybody in a week I haven't talked to anybody in a week

Todd the warranted six puts the jets up on the board at number seven Tread lightly here fellas Have already just dug the knife yeah, you take Mike L. Williams and watch how long I sit on this stupid recording do it he's all go for it show me I'm just doom is coming at 10 like do like it's not looking good at the ball this is really not lining up well but I mean we were joking yesterday in the group chat about which tackle the jets were gonna take and we're gonna It's actually not that difficult here. No, we're kind of here now. I Mean the fact that you have Membu and Campbell and banks and Simmons all there

Right, and obviously it depends on on medicals for Simmons, which yeah He said he was gonna do a full pro day like this coming month he did say that well hold on yeah Isaiah Bob said he was gonna run a 401 something so you know which take that as you will I didn't know you're allowed to lie at the combine and EJ told me that and you know so now I don't know which way is up and now you get booed if you lie at the con line They will boo your ass in the stadium. Oh yeah. Yeah, I forgot he got booed Oh yeah building. There's probably some people that put some money down on that one Lost it in real time right in front of him. So what do you expect? Yeah

Also, by the way fun fact he did hit hit the top the highest top speed of any player during the 40-yard dash So he was number one in something just not just time. Yeah, just took him a while to get there He did hit the highest top speed of any player during the 40 yard dash. So he was number one in something, just not the time. Yeah, it just took him a while to get there. It just took him a little longer to get there than it did for Matthew Golden. So looking at the Jets offensive line, you got Olufashenu, John Simpson, Joe Titman,

AVT, and Carter Warren. Carter Warren for me, like I don't care about the presence of a core four. I don't necessarily care about the presence of Max Mitchell. Like that one just, is this as easy as it seems to me on the surface? Yeah. Of just taking bamboo at seven, EJ?

I think it is. I did a deep dive on bamboo this weekend. And I liked him before. I actually came away liking him more. And like everybody, we're having the same discussion. If you sit that guy in the room or you have him in a 30 visit and you work him out and he is one of those guys, the same but extras that can play left. If that works out, he's one of the most valuable players

in this class period. Like if he can play left, he is extremely talented athletically and I don't think it is ceiling. And that's exactly what you want in a young tackle. That's a huge question. But here it's not a question. You're going to plug him in at right and go to the bank like, yeah, just do it.

He is a very, very talented player. All right. Go our mom and boo. Easy enough. Connor, we got we get with that. Yeah. Yeah. We've had scenarios just makes a ton of sense. It we good with that. Yeah. Yeah, we've had scenarios. Makes a ton of sense.

It's good, it's good. On a planner. I will ask the question though, Connor, what number is higher if they did take Mikell at seven? The number of sacks he gets as a rookie or the number of shots you do in the first 10 minutes? Let's actually map this out. So what would you get the day after?

You have to add in the second round. Yeah, right. The overhunder is five and a half. Well, if I wasn't working, yeah, it would be a landslide of shots. And if you are working? And if I am working. Yeah. Yeah, what are you saying to commercial breaks?

Flasks come out of the suit. Over under three and a half sacks as a rookie. I mean, I'm serious. I got. Yeah, because what did he have? What was his high? Probably about that. Right. It felt like that's where he hovered around. See, Mike, it's not even like you can hang your head on pass rush win rate or like,

oh, no, that makes it worse. I like it low no matter where you line. Yeah, don't dig Connor. It gets gross. Yeah, four and a half, four and a half and five. Yeah, four and a half, four and a half and five. That's the thing man. Look, I think Michael Williams, I think Michael Williams is really talented.

I think he could be a good player for a while. I think there's certainly a chance that we're going to pick him here in this exercise. But especially after this year, for the people who went into this summer and were like, hey, I'm going to bet on Michael Williams. I think he's taking the next step as a pass rusher. The final game that he had in the 2023 season was that bowl game against FSU. They put him in a stand-up outside linebacker role. They actually played him as a three-four edge, and he actually had his best pass first game of his career. Now, they said that that's where he was going to play, four edge, and he actually had his best pass first game of his career. Now, they said that that's where he was gonna play

this upcoming year, and whether it was because he was playing hurt, or they just didn't like the results of what they saw this summer, he did not play there. And so now with three years of tape, I don't really know how you go, yeah, I would take him in a position where he should potentially get double-dig digit sacks for you. He was never close to it. So it's just a little Michael Williams,

especially not at seven. Yeah, that's the thing. That's a problem. Yeah, you want to take Michael Williams even like, you know, like later in the gel, like bangles at 17. I know it's not a good example, because they need a pass rush. You're like bucks are the same thing. But like within the top 20, like somewhere around there, okay, maybe you're starting to have the conversation. But I just, I think people get carried away with, well, of course he'll be a better pro. Like that's a Shemar Stewart conversation too, right? I know that's the one that gets me is that we have a tremendous athlete.

And he's just going to get great at football as the competition increases and I'm like well Everybody knows programs like Georgia and Texas A&M don't have good coaching So right, right Yeah, that's a huge leap for me and a lot of people take it way too easily You know, he's just gonna he's the lights just gonna come on. Oh, really? And I think that and like I think that Shamar could very comfortably be anywhere from a four to eight sack guy in a season. But it's not like you're getting eight from him every year, in my opinion. And I think people talk about him as if

he's going to become like a regular eight sack year guy. And if he does, obviously great, I want him to he's a freaking atrian he's fun to watch but again just I think it's I think it's less of a guarantee than a lot of people care to admit you guys traded back at number three to the giant spot at number eight we traded up and took a dual Carter so you guys are back on the board at number eight and then you're on the board again at number nine sorry to give you the you know that's all right I think we have to pay this one off because that was the whole reason for

making the trade. So you're on the hook for this one, Coleman. So it's a little early for me, for Mason Graham, not going to lie. And I know giants fans are like, Oh, please put him next to next to Dexter Lawrence, which I think there's really good pass rushing interior lineman in this class I don't necessarily think you need to take Mason Graham in the top 10 and I want to I want to read off some numbers for Giants fans that are also backed up on tape by the way If you're looking at true pass sets and pass rush productivity against true pass sets for this entire D line class

Mason Graham is like barely in the top 12 in this class. Omar Norman lot blows them out of the water. Derek Harmon blows them out of the water. You look at Ty Robinson, you look at any as people's, uh, even Riley Mills, both of the old Ms guys, Walter Nolan, JJ Biggie's, they're both more productive as pass rushers. Mason Graham has a lot of clean winds on tape. Like he's got great feet. He's got great hips, um, as a run defender. I like him a lot of clean wins on tape. Like he's got great feet, he's got great hips

as a run defender. I like him a lot as a run defender, but his lack of length and power as a pass rusher means he either wins clean immediately or he does not win at all. There's virtually no secondary pass rush at all on tape. Like if the first move gets stopped, he can't just transition rush and win with power. He doesn't really collapse the pocket. Like I see people bring up Taven Bryan. I don't want to be that harsh because it's not like that. But I see a good three technique defensive tackle that is a good run defender and will contribute some really, really nasty wins as a pass rusher

Until he goes up against a guard that has similar athleticism to him, but with more length which is virtually all of them and He's gonna get stuck because he can't then transition rush and win with power. I Don't know if I would take that in the top ten I would take it somewhere in the middle of the first round Maybe obviously the late in the first round But if I just want a three technique to line up next to Dexter Lawrence and and go with me a lot of pass rush reps I'm taking Oh more Norman lot You know top around to not necessarily Mason. I'm gonna take something else early in round one that I can't get in round two as

For what that is for the Giants right now with who's on the board? Oh man. I do so love watching you paint yourself into the corner of the kitchen. I mean, so Will Campbell's there, right? If you want to put him at one of the guard spots, would that interest you? You know, until they fixed their secondary, this was a pretty easy

pick for me. But I feel like, you know, they've, you know, getting Jevon Haaland really gave them a boost in the secondary and they can end Paulson a debo to like they they went out and did work to fix their secondary. So, you know, that sort of pick one away and now

Hmm Yeah, I could certainly be convinced of guard I believe in you know, the value of guard even this high which again is the stretch Right. A lot of people are gonna say I get a guard later and it's true But I don't discount guards, you know the way a lot of people are gonna say I get a card later and it's true, but I don't discount guards You know the way a lot of people do it's It comes down to probably guard or defensive tackle for me And again, I'm not I just I feel confident I Again, I could I could be wrong on this one. I

Feel more confident about will Campbell being a multi-time Pro Bowler at guard Than I do Mason Graham being a multi-time Pro Bowler attack or defensive tackle. Yeah, I don't I don't disagree with that logic. So Sorry again, I'm hanging the Giants pick on you because you said trade back But like if we're trading back we're getting capital and will Campbell I feel better about it for sure You still have Tommy DeVito as your starting quarterback but he's really we're gonna have a year of the Jamis experience oh I'm sorry I'm sorry I'm sorry yes that's true that's on me that's on me actually because you know the actual starting Campbell or

starting quarterback not starting Campbell I mean there is a starting Campbell the actual starting quarterback for the New York Giants is still in Austin Texas so sure right of course of course he's gonna go that's at least Campbell the actual starting quarterback for the New York Giants is still in Austin, Texas So sure right of course of course he's gonna go at least 16 saying that right now Starting quarterback he's in Austin, Texas until he doesn't declare after next year, which I cannot yeah I'm so serious. No, I'm so serious my favorite dance Connor. It's better next year. It's better next year It's bad next year. Well, you've been without like you know what three years is it I'll collect another NIL check and stay here Sure. All right, so pretty nice Will Campbell with the Giants today and now you guys are up with the Saints at number nine. Oh

Boy Yeah, this is always a tricky one. It's always a tricky. Yeah, so my first Yeah, that's always a tricky one. It's always a tricky one. Yeah, it is. So my first instinct, EJ, just based on best players on the board that I'm really confident are gonna be really good players in the NFL.

Yeah. My first instinct is Jaday Baron or Malachi Starks. What say you? They're both great players. In terms of need, I don't know that they're both great players in terms of need. I don't know that they're crying out for either. But so secondary right now, they're starting secondaries, Isaac Yadam, Alante Taylor, Cool Ed McKinstry at corner and then Tyron and Justin Reed at safety.

So like Malachi would be the heir apparent at safety. And they have Jordan Howden too, who has played for them a little bit. He's halfway through his rookie season. yeah I love Malachi I don't I don't think they'd pick Malachi yeah he's a great player it seems kind of stashed up they're also gonna I think they're gonna play Alonti Taylor in the slot a lot so it's just not there's kind of a logjam for him yeah so it really comes down to if you think Jadai Baron who? You know did play a lot outside at Texas

Was it was a cover corner who spent 90% of his snaps the highest percentage of any corner in this class and off coverage? You know played a lot of that shuffle technique out there because he's just an unreal zone corner Playing in a defense that's going to be majoring in zone coverage. I could see him being like kind of I could see him being what the Chargers thought Asante Samuel Jr. was going to be but like a much better version of it as like an outside field side corner, right? And if you really want to be a nickel, obviously he can be spectacular nickel. Like that's the that's the fit for Jadah Barron in New Orleans specifically. For some teams, they'll just see him as a nickel because he's so good there.

So it's like, do you value that enough to take it here or? Best player on the best player on the board for you. Maybe like Jihad Campbell being the heir apparent to the Mario Davis. I think they're going to love Jihad Campbell being the heir apparent to Mario Davis. I think they're going to love Jihad Campbell. Who wouldn't? Yeah, right. Such an awesome player. I think I think they would absolutely take John Campbell. I mean, that feels better to me, like he's got a clear path to playing time

than, yeah, quite frankly, probably either of the guys in the secondary just because of who they have there and how they're stacked. Of course, I've been saying that about DeMario Davis for the last couple of years. He keeps proving me way wrong. So he seems kind of immortal. What about the running back debate? Like they've got a lot of running backs. You know, you're thinking of of arian I'm getting there

But are they ready for it I don't You know penning Ruiz McCoy Nick Salvatore, and I just my big worry my big worry is like is This a team that's even in a position? To be that. Audacious, I don't I don't think they probably are. So I I would love it if there was some hulking right defensive end that we could slot in behind Jordan Cameron, but they went out and got Chase Young

and, you know, they got Foskey and again, they they've they've got guys there again Not stars necessarily, but I don't think there's one I don't think there's somebody cut from that cloth at the top of the draft either So here we are again sort of juggling like well, what's good? And we're talking about a bunch of good players. Jody Baron great player about Kai Stark's great player You know, I Don't know. I mean, I'm good with Jahad if you are.

I think you make sense for him. Jahad feels the safest to me. If it's what we would do, I would sleep really well knowing that even if DeMario Davis has another great year in him that he's still going to get playing time because he's that versatile. So I love that. You're not going to be sitting your top 10 pick. He's going to be on the field, whether it's as a pass rusher, whether it's, you know, in coverage on third downs,

you need a guy that can really run. He could do all that as well. So he's versatile. Again, people are going to look at it and go, what are you talking about? Inside linebacker, the top 10, you just don't do that. I'm like, well, then who would you have taken? Because it's these are tough decisions and there I don't think there's

a lot of lockdowns. You know, we're only, you know, nine, 10 picks in. And we're like, we've been struggling for the last six. So, yeah, it's going to be very much. Yeah, I think your heart is probably the safest from a talent fit wise. And he's going to get used in his rookie year, even if it's not in his, what will eventually be his primary role. Yeah.

Uh, hour into this podcast and we're nine picks in very classic for us getting together. Um, we do have this, we do have to speed up the next hour just to make sure that we get done, uh, with everything. Connor, we're up with the bears at number 10. Good luck boys. You know what? No, you know what I would do, but there's probably going to be a large combo around it. I mean, we're taking Mason Graham, right? I don't think that's crazy, but if we went away from the chalk pick that would be Graham, I would take Mike Green. Okay, so that was the other one that I was like, okay, we can talk about Mike Green here at number 10,

because he's now at least the second best pass rusher, I think, on the team at Edge, but I guess they pick, they pick at 39 and 41, so they're gonna be good in tier D, that's my thought, and a good running back after. So I don't hate the Mike Green.

I think Mike Green is obviously an excellent pass rusher for them. So yeah, I think you're getting a player like this. You're not getting a Mike Green on day two in my opinion or the chances diminish while you know, hey, can I go get that D line? I could definitely get that running back. I think it's 39 and 41 right right Yeah, I would I'd probably take green here Honestly, and if we didn't green has to go off the board to the Falcons at 15 the Bucks at 19

That's probably is not going any further than that. I feel like he's a I mean talent wise alone. He's top 20 for sure Yeah, I mean, I know he had his pro day today the day we're recording this and the shuttle and cone were both phenomenal. Like I was going to say, what did he run faster than Xavier Restrepo? Probably he did the three cone. Xavier Restrepo did seven 40s while or needed to do seven 40s. Oh, man, that was poor. Strip. Oh, he's a solid player. I was going to say, yeah. Yeah. But yeah, I would go.

I know it's like grams. Maybe the chalk. I don't hate this. Yeah. I would go, I'd go green. I want EJ's thoughts on this right away. Like, what do you think? You don't. I love you as a player. Oh, okay. I don't hate it. It's just never going to happen. So I'm not really entertaining it, but that's Chicago bears are not going to pick Mike Green. Like it's just never gonna happen, so I'm not really entertaining it. But that's- Chicago Bears are not gonna pick Mike Green. Like, it's just not gonna happen. The thing is though, we do so many predictive mocks, and I love that this exercise is not that.

Like I'm just washing my brain away from Mike. I don't care. Exactly. That's the fun in this. Right. 100% is the fun in it. And from a fit- Can I ask why?

Why what? Why they won't take Mike Green. They're never gonna take Mike Green. Because of the off-field stuff? Character concerns, no way. They didn't take Jaylen Carter. Oh, so yeah, you're just saying like overall, like they're just fit like whatever.

No, in reality, like as a player in a fit in the defense, I love him opposite sweat. I think if you're just like taking Lego pieces and putting them on the board and saying we need an edge rusher, they absolutely do. He's incredibly talented. He's another guy that once I went back and did a more full study, I came away more impressed. I really like his skills. I kind of have to throw that out the window as a Bears fan because Mike Green is I I would be flabbergasted. Oh, it's good. That's good. That's good to know. Yeah. So so you're more saying, yes, Connor, you're correct. But they won't do it. Incorrect. I just the Bears are the Bears.

I'm not going to say I'm not going to put a value judgment on because look, if you own the team, you could do whatever you want. You can employ whoever you want. Like that. We see a wide range range full spectrum of that in the NFL. Mike Green is most likely not going to be a Chicago bear. Like it's possible things are changing in Chicago, but I don't think they're changing that much as a fit as a player as a talent. Love it. Perfect.

Great. Not unhappy with it at all. Is it going to happen in real life? I would be stunned. What is in this mock? There we go. In this alternate universe. Yeah. Mike Green to the Chicago Bears there at number 10.

You guys are on the board now with the San Francisco 49ers. And every John Barron. Oh, the perfect sprinted for her. Fair. He really is. Robert Salah cover three off zone corner. How do you not? Ah, he's perfect, man.

As long as you think that he's worth being selected in this range, I mean, the fit is, the fit is immaculate. For me, my range, and this is just my personal opinion, my range on Jaday Baron starts at five. So. This is why I invited him. No, I can't speak for EJ. But you know, my range on Jaday starts at five. I love the free J. It starts it in the at five the fifth round

Untrue Trev you're gonna get me you like strung up the next time I go to Austin No, I like Jody Baron a lot I think if you think the ceiling is up there with Mcduffie, then this is like you said, lock and key. It's perfect. In terms of other needs, yes, there are other needs, but I also think you can fill those later on. And I don't know that you're well, I'm almost,

I don't wanna say positive. There's no positive in the draft. I am pretty darn sure that there's going to be a talent drop off between Johnny Baron and the next person you might pick to play this role at their next draft choice. So in terms of value and fit, pretty solid luck. All right. Doing it. Do it. All right.

It's Johnny Baron at 11 to the San Francisco 49ers. Easy enough, like we said, very easy plug and play there for what Robert Sala now wants to do once again as the defense coordinator of that team. Connor, the Dallas Cowboys are up at number 12. We're controlling things. We're in the mind of a Jerry Jones, a dangerous place. Here we are, navigating like the jungles of Tropic Thunder.

Is it as simple as Mason Graham because they need to be better along the defensive line Or are we thinking like yeah, I'd say Graham here. I think I would too. Yeah Daniel Jeremiah one of the one of the goats one of the best he had Matthew golden here at 12 in his latest mock draft over Tetra, McMillan Yeah, I would not do that I picked him wide receiver one for the Cowboys, which I think honestly You know speaking of that conversation if Tet makes to 12 I think he's an excellent compliment to me too

which CD lamb already is sort of as their Z and their slot receiver, but I Would also be going with Graham here Does it worry you at all that him and Osa can't like not make each other redundant but does that even enter your mind? I don't think so. No. Because and look I understand there's physical limitations with Graham and like you said like he might

he just he might not be this like crazy prolific pass rusher but Michigan did use him in a lot of different alignments. Oh yeah. You know? So I don't, I wonder, do we, do we have the, the gaps here? Yeah. So he was mainly a D gap guy, but like he, he had a bunch of snaps like at nose as well. Dude, he had 38 snaps outside the tackle too. Like, I just think that you can kind of align Mason Graham. Basically, when I say anywhere, I don't mean that he'd be advantageous everywhere,

but I think he's good enough of a football player to where you're okay doing that. So I wouldn't- You could play around with it. Yeah, I wouldn't be too worried about it. And I just think this is a really good defensive lineman that they need to add the defensive line. So any I mean, any other thoughts here, Connor, on any other player?

Jalen Walker. No, I would. I was not here. No, this this is just best player available by a good margin in this spot. The other player I like for them is Calvin Banks, but this this is a town, the town program is too talent. The talent for Graham is too good. Yeah, I think you're right. I think you're right. I think you're right. All right.

We're going Mason Graham at number 12 for the Dallas Cowboys. Thirteen Miami Dolphins. Very interested to hear this combo. Yeah, it feels like Mocktrap selection are all over the place with dolphins. So when you guys sort of look at who is available, what the dolphins might need. Where's the combo going? Number thirteen. So offensive line right now Toronto Armstead backed up by Patrick Paul's here

You probably in theory Toronto Armstead in theory in theory and if not, I assume they want Patrick Paul to be left tackle, right? Liam Eichenberg at left guard is like my doomsday scenario Aaron Brewer at center James Danos at right guard Austin Jackson at right tackle at center, James D'Anos at right guard, Austin Jackson at right tackle. OK, speaking of doomsday scenarios, I want. What about Matt Dickerson at left defensive end? That's your start. Yeah, that feels like a bigger hole to me than I mean, agreed. They can use upgrades on the offensive line

But you could say that about almost every team and they went out in free agency and spent money on James Daniels and the not to be mentioned Larry Boram, but Like I'm looking at Matt Dickerson with like nobody backing him up as one of those starting Oh, it's a blind nobody. Can I can I can I throw this out there? like nobody backing him up as one of those starting to defensive line. Nobody. Can I throw this out there? Go for it. This is the earliest I've even. Uh-huh, I know where you're going.

And it's the same one. I think you know where I'm going. I think it was the earliest I've thought about him. Derek Harman? Yup. Yeah, so it's Harman or Nolan, depending on if you think Nolan can play that spot, which is kind of a tick outside. Ole Miss moving around some but he was more classically a three tech

This would be requiring him to be more of a four eye even sometimes five depending on how they shift So I think he can do that physically like I don't have a problem with it But I think Harmon like from an archetype is a better fit and he's also a grown-ass man I think Harmon, like from an archetype, is a better fit. And he's also a grown ass man. Like, now- I'm good with it. It is early and it'll be the sort of wild hair pick. I don't feel like it is after seeing him in person,

you know, early last week at Eugene and listening to his teammates talk about him, which I, you know, Trev, for your interest, like that's where I came away with bucky Irving love last year was I like bucky Irving on tape a lot and then I went to the pro day and I watched how all those guys because you remember The ducks draft class last year was also loaded all those guys like Rallied around listened to and kind of followed bucky Irving not necessarily

I mean Bo had his voice but like the guy that was Stirring the drink at that whole pro day was bucky Irving and not necessarily, I mean, Bo had his voice, but like the guy that was stirring the drink at that whole pro day was Bucky Irving and everybody was down with it. Like he was the energy, he was the let's get it going. Like and I thought, all right, there's, there's more here than people think there is the tapes really good, but there's something else you're going to get in your locker room. And it was a different kind of energy. It was much quieter from Harmon, but it was everybody else talking in hushed

tones, all of his teammates like, no, no, that's that's the dude over there. That's the one. And, you know, telling Paul Bunyan stories about him. So like, I don't think it's that early. He would be a great fit physically for what they need. And I think it fills a bigger need, frankly, than anything on the offensive line. Cause you know, hey, if Matt Dickerson goes down, he's backed up by, oh yeah, right, air at this point.

So not great. Yeah, no, that's fair. And this team just needs to get tougher. Like I think he makes them tougher. Yes. I'm good with it. Okay. Derek Harman here at number 13 for the Miami Dolphins.

I'd never thought of that connection before, but I really enjoyed the combo about it. Indianapolis Colts at number 14. They signed Cam Bynum and Travarious Ward in free agency. Could use another corner, although I wonder how much they still kind of believe in a fully healthy Juju Brentz to play on the outside opposite Travarious Ward. Right. Have they have Kenny Moore in the slot. Linebacker definitely a need for them, but I would, I would be taking. Colson Loveland. Or Malachi Starks over Jalen Walker for this team.

I love Loveland for this team. I think he's such a seamless fit there. They need that middle of the field target He's a lot bigger than I think we all expected even with the shoulder injury like when he starts, you know upper body lifting again He'll probably play at 256 258 I mean that'd be awesome. Yeah, he played it that way. I think he can He's just he's got great hands. This is the type of middle of the field target that will really help their offense. And I think he's got more to give as a blocker. This would be a really, really fun pick for the Colts.

And you get one of the honestly a really good player in this draft where you sit here and go like how many really good players are there. I think Loveland will be a really good NFL player. I think he's an excellent wide receiver type of type of tight end, like I like pound for pound even. So he's a little bit of the same conversation that we talked about with Brock Bowers. He's more physical, though, than like Dalton Kincade. I see that thrown around a lot like can you go down the don't kick?

I'm like, that's not even in the same stratosphere when you watch their college tape. I would agree with you. Yeah. Yes. Yeah. So I wouldn't have those concerns necessarily. I'm good with it. I was basically going to say Lovell and Starks are the two guys that I would, I would lean for. Think I can get a strong safety for them on day two and they have Bynum probably playing free. That would be my thought. I would draft Starks to play free. Yeah. Them and 12 other teams are all going to draft.

Save your Watts in the second round. like every fan base tells me oh no Yeah, no, well. I mean we don't need to say we'll just save your watch. It's just wait for Xavier watch Well guess what yeah one team gets them the other team shit out of luck. Yeah, the other 11 are getting Billy Bowman look You're not gonna get any Billy Bowman slander for me not around these parts You really not okay close to 11 to the Coltson number 14 now you guys are on the clock with the falcons at 15 pretty good board for the falcons honestly malke starks willow johnson james pierce toniman asoraku we get some pass rush are still available what are you guys doing here 15 so each might first instincts like yes obviously pass rush is a thing right yeah you know what if

you want to look at as a rock you if you want to look at Braden Swinson is probably the top the very first time I would ever consider him would be at 15 and even then it still feels a little on the early side right you could think about a Kenneth Grant, but at the same time, you have a 33 year old left tackle who's essentially going into the season before his last year of his contract. We don't really have a longterm plan.

And I would love to just take care of that now so I don't have to worry about it later with a young quarterback And Kelvin Banks on the board. Am I crazy for doing the same thing the Jets did which take a tackle a year early? So like we're we're okay next year How do you think you feel about Ryan Newseal as their pivot? So you're thinking about Ray Zable? I was you're the guy and I was able I

It's I mean I would hate it me but like I also think in terms of we had this discussion earlier like two years From now when crazy able is a very solid Interior player that everybody's talking about. Oh, what's he gonna get for his next contract? Like I think you're gonna be good and I also think the tackle class might be a little bit better I like I like the tackle options, to be clear. Like if you're going to get one in waiting this year, I don't really don't have any problem with it because I like those players. But again, as I look at the team building strategy, we're already basically through free agency.

There's there's still some players to be signed, but their depth for the most part. You're going to do you think they're really happy with Ryan Newseal as their center? Like I don't think the potential of a not rookie quarterback, but a half rookie quarterback. Well, that's that's my worry, right? Is you want not you want, but like we're talking about the potential for a guy to play to be a new center for them who hasn't called protections before. Right, right, right. Young quarterback who I don't think I don't Textions I don't love the mix there

But in terms of need I think it's a bigger need then I would go pass rush after that and it's for me. It's Probably piercer's Rocko, right? I would go as a rock out of those two Yeah, do it I'm cool with asraaku if you are. Don't you dare do it. Oh, if he doesn't want us to do it? Especially because it fucks over Tampa. Yeah.

Shit. All right, we'll get our center in the second round. We'll go Ezraaku. On my own show. That's right. Donovan Ezraaku, let's go baby. You are an Atlanta Falcon. I love Ezraaku.

I think Raheem Morris is absolutely gonna love him and absolutely like, I do not have any ill will towards Raheem. You are in Atlanta Falcons. I love as a rock who I think where he Morris absolutely gonna love him and Absolutely like I do not have any ill will towards Rahim I've been rooting for him for a long time the Bucks absolutely screwed him over when they made him a head coach when they did Making that jump and then basically have an ownership and the general manager tell him the oh just win with crap when you're in Tampa When he was the head coach around 2010 and overachieve that second year that was there I I know went to the front office and basically said like, hey, we will not do this again, actually.

And they're like, nope, just do it again with it with a bad team. And then just run it back and he got fired and he was a scapegoat for it. So I'm very happy to see him as a head coach again. I think Donovan is rock who plays perfectly with his three, four scheme. And he can be a really good outside linebacker. I love as a rock who speak super highly of him because I just, I've loved everything that I've heard about him. The way that the team speaks about him.

The way that I heard him talk at the podium. Not lying about how to be a great pass rusher and sort of explain the why about why he is good. So I think he would be perfect for Atlanta, which Connor puts us up on the clock with the Arizona Cardinals at number 16. I also think this is a really good scenario here for the Cardinals.

Will Johnson is still here. Right. James Pierce is still here. Kenneth Grant, Walter Nolan. If we wanted Kelvin Banks to play as an interior guy for them, give them flexibility. When Jonah Williams' contract is up at the end of this season, like this is, you know,

pretty close to what would be a dream scenario here for the Cardinals. Do you have a leaning one way or the other? Which way did you go? Yeah, I'd go Will Johnson or Jalen Walker in this spot. I would also I would pick Will Johnson. Yeah, I consistently mock Will Johnson to them at this spot because they're getting an injury discount, but they need a number one corner

and he can be that for them. Size ball skills, physical player. This would this would kind of change the look of their secondary, in my opinion. Yeah, they I just I just really started working on we're going to have team specific top 100 big boards over at PFF. And so I sort of started doing that and gathering a lot of the data for that. And for Arizona, they played a lot more. Now this might've been personnel based, but they play a lot more like zone coverage than I thought they were going to. They live in nickel a lot. So they're going to want a lot of corners on their

team who could play a lot. So it's not like, oh, okay, well we got three guys. So we feel good about it. Like they would absolutely take a Will Johnson. He plays, I think the type of secondary style that they like. He could play for you in press. He could play for you in off. And so to me, I think he is their CB one. And I like the cornerback depth that they have after that gives them a lot of versatility to play a lot more defensive backs on the field.

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risk learn more at meet fabric M E E T fabric dot com meet fabric M E E T fabric is gonna be the name of whichever defensive lineman these Gentlemen give to the Cincinnati Bengals at number 17. So guys, what are we thinking about here at 17? Not the pigeon hole you you can pick whoever you want, but just that's why I'd receiver on the first things first Anytime you can live in ten personnel as a base you got to do it you just Anytime you can live in 10 personnel as a base you gotta do it. You just gotta do it. Oh So Xavier Restrepo? Yeah, right No, I said no more slander. Come on. Okay. All right No, so while you were doing the ad read I watched the 40 that he ran and yes, that's that's that's 483 folks

Yeah, it's real. It's that's that's real so I Will say this this team has to take guard It's that's that's real. That's rough. So we're pouring out. I will say this this team has to take guard like they just do. Right. But do they have to do in the first round? So I'm not a Booker guy this early, but I am a banks guy this early. And I think there's a universe where he can do left guard for them for a little bit. And then once the Orlando Brown contract runs out, you just kick him out to left tackle and draft a new guard.

And if Orlando gets hurt, okay, cool. We have our left tackle. Huge brain move right there. Yeah. Interesting because I too was looking at the guard list going, well, they do have to pick a guard But they don't have to do it right now. Um, alright, let's do our you know sort of first round second round for them

Because they are so if you're doing banks now and You still have to get pass rusher or just into your or DT. Yeah, I was going to say, I mean, we could take how we do we get Alfred Collins mid second. Yeah, for sure. Or Omar is probably not going to be there. Yeah, the bank's team might be there. Yeah, the bank's leverage makes this conversation more interesting because I was definitely thinking of it as DT first and then guard second

just because of where the guards were. But if you think of banks as a guard, it's more interesting to me because I was looking at like Kenneth Grant or Walter Nolan as, you know, best available options for what I think would help them they certainly need a lot of help on the inside of the defensive line. Do I think what I worry about is like every is I worry about the same thing that we talked about with Xavier Watts where it's like every single mock draft or every single fan that does mock drafts just like oh yeah I'm going gonna get tate ratledge on day two

Yeah, and it's like are you gonna get tate ratledge on day two like are you positive or do you just want to take care? of it get it out of the way and Yeah, I don't which one of the million defensive linemen in this class are actually gonna be there on day two. Yeah, I If their plan is to eventually move back banks to tackle, I think that's a fine plan because I think he is one of the tackles that can play tackle in this draft, because that's the other move that every fan base makes is, oh, he can't play tackle. He's instantly a guard. And we could talk about that at length, which is not a shoe in.

But I actually think Banks has tackled talent. So if they're going to move them back out, then sure I could see it. Oh, and it insulates you from injury because right now if Orlando Brown gets hurt, right? Congrats, Devin Cochran, apparently is who their backup left. Apparently, I love that. So, um, yeah, I, again, it it's not it's unorthodox, but I could see it working because I also do think he is one of those tackles that could play guard

very well with his physical makeup. When you watch his tape, he's got a lot of power. He's good on the movie can hit targets in space. So yeah, not wouldn't have been my first thought, but at the same time, I were pushing a lot of these defensive tackles down and there's a lot more of them. I looked at my number that I had ranked and number that I still had to rank this weekend. It was equal and I've done a lot of defensive tackles. So it's a very deep class that way. You could, you could convince me because I like Banks as a player a lot. I just I'm going to put the little asterisks in there that they have to move

to tackle next year. Like anybody is going to come back and read that note. But all right, let's do it then. Oh, the addicts will remember. Oh, good. I'll get it. I'll get a comment one year from this date. And I'll just be looking at the YouTube creator studio and somebody will be like I'm here baby I remembered that's right

they have to move EJ that's right it's in the contract they can't keep it at guard so you're taking Kelvin Banks here at 17 we are sure hate it I don't hate it there I don't think I've seen that anywhere before so at least it's something I haven't even thought that before so look at look at Look at this look at this look at this mock trap. We got cooking here look at this I'm just I'm just scrolling down. This is a unique mock trap Which is the whole point of the collab mock trap series? We're just starting off with an absolute banger, and I love to see it now

We're up on the board at number 18 of the Seattle Seahawks. Oh speaking of interior offensive line Connor can I interest you in one gray Zabel? Yeah, absolutely. That's where my brain went immediately. I just I don't I don't know where else they go. Can play all three spots for you, I think here, which is really valuable to them. Zabel's such a rock solid talent. He's played everywhere on the offensive line.

We believe he can convert to center if they need him to. This is an easy one. The only other position that I would probably consider is like linebacker. Yeah. At this point for them, they need to this interior. Well, to be better, dude, it has to. I mean. If they don't get help, why do you see your offensive line? And they think Darnold is going to do anything right?

No, that's yeah. Yeah, this is like non-negotiable I think you need to use two of those first three picks on interior offensive line people don't realize how much Gino made chicken salad out of chicken shit with the oh, I do Well, you're in the yeah, I do. Last year. Yeah. Well, you're in the area. Yeah, I do. You get it. But I think this is, I'm just like thinking of, I don't even, like if Colson Loveland's on the board here, I think it's intriguing, right?

Cause you upgrade tight end and it sort of gives you that like bigger body guy that they don't have with Cooper Cup and Jack Smith and Jigba. They have MBS who comes over from being there with Kubiak and had a lot of success when they were in New Orleans for that little stint that was there when they signed him. But it's interior offensive line. Gray is able to me as somebody who could play center or guard for you at the NFL. He could start at both of those spots.

So basically wherever you need to play him to get your best five out there, to me that one makes a ton of sense. So I'm going Zable. We're going Zable at number 18 here for the Seattle Seahawks now the Bucks are on the board at number 19 good luck making me happy with Ezra Ako off the board for picks earlier so I just I look at this Tampa roster I just I hate I hate no he hates it immediately if you want to feel better just look at the Bucks roster because it's kind of it's kind of stacked boys not gonna lie this is a really really stacked roster I was like how do they need an offensive line not really no receiver not really like tight end you could sure but like not now right they told they're running back

they're fine like they're not gonna they're not gonna take a Mari in here like why would they no no you know they got the going to take Omari in here. Like why would they? No. No. You know they got the Hassan Reddick deal as like a band-aid. But I just look at defensive line in general. Not necessarily because they're desperate but just because they can. Right? So I'm kind of between. Logan Hall is in the last year of his deal. I don't think he will be on the team next year.

And that was a big reason why I was thinking Kenneth Grant. Because him and Vita just making a wall of humanity next to each other. Collisia is your change up. And then you still have Reddit coming off the edge. Yahya we like a lot. So like there's your five man service, because this team plays five man services a lot. With Kenneth Grant as a five tech or Vita as a five tech,

whatever, whichever one you want. Colligia is anywhere from a three out to a five. The other one playing nose or a shade. And then you got Yahya and Redic as your edges. The ageless wonder back there at linebacker. Am I off base here, EJ? No, I think I'm a little bit with Trav in terms of like the what ifs from earlier up the board, like Jihad Campbell's there and it gets to the box pick, like run it to the podium.

Sprinting, you know. Yeah. Yeah. Like trip over yourself and break something, that kind of speed. Pierce is interesting, but in terms of a player that they can probably develop as well. And look, we sat with Kenneth Grant, Shrine Bowl, did an interview with him. He's a great kid.

He's got a ton of potential. He's got a, he's already, I don't want to say potential, like he's made no plays. He's made a ton of potential. He's got a he's already. I don't want to say potential like he's made no plays. He's made a bunch of plays already. He has to be more consistent in the way that he applies all those gifts, but he's stacked with physical gifts. And Tampa has shown a real ability to maximize players with physical gifts. And so in terms of a landing spot that both helps the team and helps the player, I don't mind it at all. It's just whether you kind of want to go inside or outside. It's like, do you think James

Pierce is a better fit? Do you think Kenneth Grant's better fit? And you know, the way you're describing his chess pieces in terms of being able to rotate some out and give yourself decent looks. I don't think there's a better place to go in general than defensive line in general, because like you said, the offensive line is really good. Like linebacker could definitely use more depth, but there's not a linebacker here in terms of being. They would choice from everything that I know they would take Jay and Walker. If he's on the board at number nine, yeah, it makes sense.

Like this, I would. Yeah, they would take jail from- from what I have heard. Now obviously, I'm not like, hey Jason, who are you taking? And he's like, we take Jalen Walker. You know? Sure. I can see it though. They learned nothing from Devin White, is what you're saying.

Look man! Look man! Look! It's not my opinion! When I was told that they liked Jalen Walker, it's the first thing that came out of my mouth. But they need a linebacker. And I think it just from everything that I see, I mean, shout out to two of the best.

I mean, DJ and Dane, they're two very plugged in draft analysts. And both of these guys are very confident in leaning very heavily into Jaylen Walker. Well, I don't want to say very confident, because Dane himself is like, hey, it's a big who knows after the first two in this draft. So I want to be fair to him. But leaning into Jalen Walker, I think

he's leaning into Jalen Walker not only because he sees the potential of him, but also because he probably hears from around the league that somebody is going to take a chance on him pretty high. And I think that Jalen Walker, coming from the program that he comes from, being coached under Kirby Smart, being as versatile as he's been over the last two years, being a coaches kid growing up, like I just think the NFL is going to love the intangibles of what Walker brings to the table. So again, I would be

very wary of it, especially on a team that needs linebacker so desperately. And you're like, you're asking Jalen Walker to like be Levante David. And yeah, maybe David's just an unbelievable mentor for him But like that's that's a tough ask in my opinion so that's true and he's gonna go top 20 I But I'll let somebody else be right. That's me. That's so that's exactly where I'm at with Jalen I had some I would let somebody else. Yeah, somebody else be right here with him But I do think you guys are onto something with with Kenneth Grant. I think that would be an excellent pick for them

I really do the only other name I would consider is is probably Malachi Yeah, but the issue with Malachi and I love Malachi don't get me wrong. They could absolutely take Malachi but they They already got Antoine. They got Izzy and like they don't need him. That's the thing and they're very comfortable. I've been told that they're sort of comfortable with Tykee Smith as well potentially moving back to safety. So it's like Tykee Smith and Antoine Winfield Jr. is their safety duo. Izzy and sort of like the change up to be able to play nickel and backup safety. So maybe if they if they really believe in Malachi to be able to play like slot as well, perhaps they are okay with it at 19 because I love them as a player.

So that's the other guy that I would throw out there. But with no Will Johnson, with no Jaday Baron, with obviously no Travis Hunter on the board to hit outside corner, I would say Kenneth Grant or Malachi Starks. And I think that you guys are sort of right on it with that. Yeah. I mean, Malachi, who did you guys all at the end of all that yeah I mean I I think it comes down to Kenneth Grant because if you're talking about all those players in secondary and saying well we can shuffle all these you you've got plenty right that's that's not the need you don't

have the same discussion necessarily at the top what why don't we then just go with Kenneth Grant because he's the rarest human and then we figure out the rest on day two. Fair. I think that's totally fair. Yeah. That does not upset me. All right, Kenneth Grant to the bucks of 19.

Does that upset you, Trev? Because we were trying. No, no, no, no, no. No, I think you guys did good. You came down to the two players that you really should have been deciding between in my opinion and Kenneth Grant does make a lot of sense because Logan Hall has been underwhelming. I think they're going to move on from him no matter what. And it is very ideal because like they brought back Greg Gaines and like Greg Gaines, they probably shouldn't have brought him back. And so to be able to play Vita Vea and Kenneth

Grant next to each other and then like you said, use Kaleidja Kancy as like a chess piece, just like the ultimate compliment, that's a way better scenario than asking Kancy to play on early downs at all times because you don't have anybody else that could do it so I do like that move Denver Broncos up at number 20 Connor anybody standing out for you I got I got one name that I love here that's still on the board for the Broncos. I like Amari and Hampton. Okay, so that's fine. That's a baseline where I think that makes sense. Yep. I love we've reached the part of the mock draft where Amari and Hampton is fine. No, I think that's good. This is a good pick. I'm wondering if I could convince you that Walter Nolan could be the better pick for them

and then you hit running back a little bit later in a somewhat deep running back class because Malcolm Roach, Zach Allen, John Franklin Meyer, all unrestricted free agents next season. They're gonna bring back Zach Allen, but they just signed DJ Jones. Right. John Franklin Meyer wants out, Malcolm Roach,

they might not have the money to be able to bring him back. And especially if you draft Walter Nolan, he's not only in the system this year as a rotational player, he steps in full-time right away and you get way ahead of the curve on the defensive line and you make sure the defense is still good for a couple of years after a really good signing period for them.

So Walter Nolan is also who I would throw out there. Yeah, completely viable. I find myself kind of going the other way. Sometimes the Broncos where I get an offensive playmaker at 20 and then I look to capitalize on the depth of the D line class later because that player will be a rotational guy this year. Sure. player will be a rotational guy this year. They hope and grow into more. Like I don't think it's out of the range of outcomes that, I mean this class is so deep. An Omar Norman lot might be there for you in round three that you can rotate in as a pass rusher.

Or there's a lot of different names honestly across the board. Somebody has to fall out of this deep defensive line group. And I know people will say the same thing about running back. I think Hampton's gonna be 50 times better than the running backs they're gonna be looking at beyond this pick unless they wanted to move up from their day two selections. But Nolan's an incredible athlete. He put it together this year. You are getting ahead by one

year. I just think Hampton would be a star for Sean Payton, an absolute star. And I'm just confident in the D line I can get on day two for this team. I think that Jared Ivy from Ole Miss, Alfred Collins, Vernon Broughton, Josh Farmer. Oh, there is I am almost 100 percent sure one of those players easily makes it to 51 where they're picking in the second round. Oh, I think so more than that. I think that's what I'm saying.

I if you guarantee me even one of them, and you tell me, okay, we go with Armari in here at 20, and then we're getting one of those defensive linemen, I'm okay with that. So I bullied you into taking Tyler Warren at number six for the Raiders. So I'm giving you this one of Armari and going 20 to the Denver Broncos.

So there we go, now we're even. You guys are up with the Pittsburgh Steelers at number 21 We we have the opportunity to do the funniest thing What's that take should do her yep I can tell I mean look man. Yeah, I mean man Quarterbacks like come on I will say, I don't think anybody here right now has a first round grade on Shador out of the four of us, right?

That's right. I know, yeah. If there was a situation that he could go to, That's right. In the backend of the first round, considering all the work they've done on the offensive line the last few years. Sure.

We like Tomlin as a coach, the investment receiver, bringing in DK, having pickings. It could work. I think it's gonna work better than what they've got right now, right? I think he'll be more successful in Pittsburgh than with what the Giants have right now. That's a totally fair take.

Oh yeah, absolutely. Or or the Browns. And just as a bonus, hockey's might keep working for you. That's true. He's a Steelers fan who is he's a he's a diehard Steelers fan. He's been suffering.

He has been going through it with all the quarterback rumors. But from the just pure football standpoint that we just laid out, the team could be successful. He is not going to be expected to carry this team from day one. Is he going to be expected to play from day one? Yeah. And I think he can do that with the weapons around him.

They've spent time building the offensive line. They've spent time building up their weapons. Again, they can add another running back if they want to, to that, whatever it is, five or six they already have on their roster. Later on down in this draft, they can do that running back if they want to, to the whatever it is, five or six, they already have on their roster later on down in this draft, they can do that. There's plenty of depth for that. They're not going to be able to get another quarterback that does that. So while I don't necessarily think overall it's the best fit, this is

probably the best marriage of convenience that they're going to find in the next couple of months, unless they're just truly going to punt to next year on quarterback. And it also means like they wouldn't have to do the Aaron thing. Correct. They wouldn't have to do the Cousins thing. Yeah. Yeah. And like.

All right. My only other counterpoint, my only other take would be take Starks, play him as your nickel third safety right now. And as they rotate out either Elliot or Fitzpatrick, then you've got Malachi Starks, who's a great player and much more highly rated in this spot. We're we're to the point where anytime you pick Malachi Starks at this point, you're getting a player above the great. So like that would be my counterpoint. Let's

let it be with that counterpoint. Let's do the package then Malachi Starks. Exactly. No, there is no package. You can't know. I mean, unless you really believe in a second round pick. So, oh shit. Right. There is no taking a quarterback in the second round. So you got to remember with them. Yeah, no. So this is there is no package. It's that or we're not doing that. You can't even throw Xavier Watts out there.

Like in theory, the Watts theory. Yeah, you know, the Watts, the Watts Venn diagram. They're not in that. OK, that works. No, then I would why not? Like, I think it's going to bring a bunch of hope to Steelers fans that they don't have right now. It gives them a chance to win this year. Like-

Hope and existential grit, existential grit a little bit of both. You can't get rid of the second part of that. That is always, I have friends that are Steelers fans. Amen. That is going to be part of their experience from now until whatever, no matter what they do. So, at least give them a quarterback.

All right, let's do it. All right. Shadrers Sanders coming off the board here at 21 to the Pittsburgh Steelers. Los Angeles Chargers on the board at number 22. All right, we're gonna try to knock out these next 10 picks within like 15 to 20 minutes. Cool. Okay.

Good luck. Might be the greatest upset. Might be the greatest upset of March Madness that we see this year. We'll see. Shadrera story. Might be the greatest upset of March Madness that we see this year. We'll see. Um, conor Are you like Are you leaning anywhere here at number 22 here with the chargers man? I'd really like Shamar steward on this team

I really would yeah, just because I think you can play him at different alignments On this front and he gives them some edge pass rush across from Khalil Mack that boasts out the door obviously. If they feel like they can get the best out of Pierce, this is where I'd start to consider him. Although I'm lower on Pierce than a lot of people, I like it as no way I would take him in the top 20. This is even a little rich for me, but if they just want pure stand up edge rusher, obviously we can go back to your Walter Nolan.

Well, Trevor, I'm also, I'm also really high on Nick scoring if they just want a traditional edge pass rusher like scoring to me is the third best edge in this class where I'd have also no problem taking him here with the same theory of, you know, I was talking about Stuart a little bit. So I'm just looking to add to their front. So those are a lot of really good defensive line additions there. Matthew Golden and Luther

Burden are still on the board. Do you think about either of those guys given their wide receiver room is Lad McConkey, Quinton Johnson, in theory, Mike Williams, who they let walk two years ago and were correct in doing so and now have signed him again because they literally have no other options. That's the that do you think about Matthew Golden or Luther Burden here? Or do you just say, hey, let's just we're going to try to hit wide receiver. Yeah, I'm hitting wide receiver later. Let me get it. Let me use a premium pick on a trench player, which is Pretty they do have they do have a lot of picks first second third fourth fifth. Yep, four sixth

Yeah, i'll i'll take two wide receivers and see what sticks later on if I need to but I want to get a A legit trench prospect here at 22 with I think I take Walter Nolan both tight ends off the board I have no problem with that either. Yeah, if you're giving if you're giving me my pick, I think I'm taking Walter Nolan. Let's roll with Nolan. All right. We're going to roll with Nolan because losing Puna Ford is going to be tougher than I think. Yeah. To admit. Oh, I mean, without a doubt, he did so much for their run defense last year, which I don't think no one magically fixes, but he's he's so freaky

that it still brings a presence to your defensive line. No, but Nolan is just unreal strong and he did have an elite run defense grade last year. Yeah, I think he's a good gap shooter. What I love the most about Nolan though, I mean the motor runs a million miles an hour. He plays hard, practice hard at the senior bowl. You just, you don't get a lot of defensive,

you don't get a lot of trench players that truly give you they're all like that every snap So I'm cool with it Walter no one to the charges here at number 22 That's what we're going with you guys are up at the Packers call thank God EJ I'm thinking forfeit the pick right Take too long all right, Minnesota. They're up real quick the time run out. Take too long, all right, Minnesota, they're up real quick. Minnesota, you can steal. That's right.

I tried that one last year, didn't work then either. So I think we're on the hook for it. But I helped out a friend of mine who is a package fan and he was looking for draft selections. And he said, look, I know you're way deeper into the draft than I am. Just give me three names. And it was the three positions of need that are listed on PFF,

wide receiver, edge or corner. And, you know, I think there's an argument like, how do you feel about James Pierce here? Like with their scheme and with their current personnel is the first one. I think that's probably the kind of the obvious one or, or Skorton, depending on how you feel about either one of those players. And then I really think you got to look at wide receiver speed. You got to get somebody that can get deep

because Christian Watson's not going to be healthy at the start of the year. And that's a big part of their offense. The way that they've structured it with the quarterback, with the coach, like with the play calling, they they want to set up and take those shots. And right now they got a whole bunch of guys that are not necessarily great at paying that off. So do you look at a wide receiver that could do that? Or do you look at one of those edge players and I'll just toss that to you?

I'm going to suggest something you're going to hate. Oh, I love you, dude. Oh, bears fan. I'm probably going to take it. No, that's why you're going to. I know they always do receivers on the roster right now. And six are going to be free agents after this season. So yeah, yeah. It's not just about, oh, they need speed.

It's like they need bodies. They're going to be here for more than 12 calendar months. Right. Yeah. Out of the guys that are on the board, I think Mecca fits them the best. Oh, yeah, you're right. I would hate that deeply for sure. So no, I mean, he's the best, but I don't think he's the speed threat, right? He's the best receiver. Like, no question. Like, let's get that out of the way.

He's the best receiver that's that's on the board at this point. I agree with you. That's not popular, though, by the way. Oh, I just I think everybody looks at Matthew Golden now is no that's yeah, that's it I don't I don't dislike gold and I actually like golden better for this spot a because it's not a mecha and B because gold is faster But hold on there's no sad you think you know, I don't believe faster because I don't I think they play the exact same speed I think I think they play the exact same speed. I think 80% of the time, 85% of the time you're correct. And then 10, 15% of the time. It's nice when you have that in your back pocket.

Yeah, I think that's fair. Yeah, and I mean, there's another wide receiver that Brett and I are gonna talk about later today that I think is exactly the same way that timed really fast. And when you look at tape, you get this kind of, we were talking about roller coasters earlier, you get this roller coaster of like, he, I think he should be faster there. And then he opens it up and you're like, Oh, see, I

knew it. You are really fast. You just have to play that way all the time. So now you, now you have to tell me who it is. Royals, Jaylen Royals. He timed really fast. He's got goods. He's got good size and you sort of don't see it Don't see it. Don't see it. And then he opens it up and you're like, oh, yeah, there it is like He can absolutely wheel in the open field And I I think a lot of people just kind of underrate that because they maybe didn't watch a game where he did that and again He doesn't do it all the time. But in terms of speed like Golden would be the speed option a mecha would be the best overall option, but they have a lot of a mecha

lights on the roster right now. And I realize if you're planning 12 months in advance, how do you feel about the edge value here for the? I mean, I would consider Brandon Swinson. So would I, but I would also hate that. So anyways, yeah, no, I think he plays very well in their system. It is actually one of the names I gave my Packers buddy to look at, because I think he fits them physically really well.

I don't know. It just comes down to kind of coin flip of like, do you want to go wide receiver speed or you want to try and get that later because it is available. There are faster guys later in this draft, so you could do so later. I would probably do Swinson now and the receiver date to who who. OK, you and Braden Swinson love in the first round. Let's go, fellas. Yeah, I like Braden Swinson, too.

I don't love the fact that he's going to the Packers, but they do that every year to me at least a couple of times. And it is a little bit early. I mean, I know there's going to be a lot of people in the comments are like, what about Skartan? You know, Pierce was still on the board and they picked once. I get it. But like he fits them. It's only it's only early if you don't think that he is worth

being selected here. If you do, then guess what? It's not early. Yeah, for sure. Takes one team. All right. And it took took this team of GMs to go get him. All right. There we go. Braden Swinson, the edge rusher from lsu who is i don't i feel like a fan favorite on day two getting into the day one conversation here for the green bay packers uh that's a new one very

curious to hear what packers fans think about that one somebody has an extremely high pass or win rate and a true and a pass or straight against pass sets, as you guys can see on the screen right there. Minnesota Vikings up at number 24. OK, Connor, I want to hear who you think should be the pick here, because I have one that I feel pretty strongly about at 24. Do you feel strongly about Starks? I feel very strongly about Malakai. Yeah, I think so, too. I mean, obviously, is your free safety of the future.

You could use him. He is your do it all. He's your do it all safety here. They need help in the secondary. The combo to me was either take the talent that is Starks, who's the best talent. Or if you want to dial in on a true corner, I would be talking Azari Thomas and Savon Revelle. That's but like I'm going to take the talent of Starks in this in this.

I would I would take Starks again because Josh Mantell us last year of his contract Harrison Smith 14 season very easily retire next year and they have no one. Yeah. And tell me that Brian Flores gets Malachi Starks is the chess piece to play on the back end of his defense. Yep. Yeah, we win. Yeah, he shouldn't fall to this pick. So the fact he did we kind of got a pounce on it here. to play on the back end of his defense. Yup. Yeah. We win. Yeah. He shouldn't fall to this pick. So the fact that he did, we kind of got to pounce on it here.

And we've talked about it before. Like the Vikings would have to love a player to pick them at 24 with only four picks in this draft. So they are very likely a trade back spot, but here with Starks falling to them, I am very okay with it. And him going here at number 24 very curious about this one Is anybody other than Josh Simmons I'm setting myself on fire on the show well we don't want

Can we get some super chat super chats in the chat for a bread on fire? Test me that's right. We will get some nonstop fire emojis in the chat, please. Thank you. We will put you out with malort. Have no fear. No. Josh Simmons, if his knee is healthy, is the best tackle in this draft.

Like, it's it's not really close from a talent standpoint for me, and especially as a left tackle, if you're making that an even smaller divide Clearly the best guy they have to be comfortable with the medicals if they're not I would still say you have to stick with tackle because you know, I JT's I Think look, I think CJ's a great player. Like I don't want Stroud getting hurt I just there you go. So, you know, even if they're not comfortable with the Simmons medicals I would be looking at like Josh Connerly here or Donovan Jackson if you think he's the next left tackle If you take Connerly over Simmons, I I just it's look if they

You have half the power here. No, I'm saying Simmons, if he's healthy, I'm with you 100% stamp that. But if the Texans have already looked at it, which we're never gonna know, and say, ooh, yeah, we're super worried about that knee. I don't care if he has a fucking peg leg. He's the pig. Okay, all right.

Then we're done. Then this discussion is over. Josh Simmons, come on down. Josh Simmons is a big leg. Come on down. What's that sound on the floor? Is someone wearing heels? He's going to, he's, he's, he's going to line up at left tackle with one of

those like boot, like carts that you have, you know, where you're like, you're like, you're like, your leg. Yeah, for sure. Like still an upgrade. First player to pitch a shutout in a motorized scooter, Josh Simmons. It's the arm length. It's the arm length.

It's the. Rams now Simmons. Simmons is a great tackle. I really like. Yeah, again, we talked about this in in previous years, and one of my it's the draft Jeannie, right? You get three wishes from the

draft Jeannie. One of my wishes a couple of years ago was that Pooka would be healthy because I thought Pooka was a great receiver when healthy. And sure enough, that played out. I hope one of my draft wishes is that Josh Simmons knee is is good. Would be great. That would be amazing because he's a great player.

He's super skilled playing left tackle. Rams on the clock here at number 26. Your mind going anywhere here, Connor? This is where I'd be pretty comfortable taking Jalen Walker. Oh, right. Yeah. I mean, the middle of the field on defense needs help for them. The speed and violence he plays with. This is this is where I would take that swing.

And why not? If you're the Rams all the way at 26. I like this a lot because right now it's Omar Spates, underactive free agent, all due respect. Nate Lamon, who they signed in free agency, but it's not like he was a break the bank type of signing for them. That's basically it. I mean, Tony Field is the second. linebacker room right now. So Jaylen Walker would start immediately for this team. And I actually have faith in the Rams to get the most out of me to to use him in a lot of ways and play for a really good defense here. So I feel like we on this show like get labeled as the Jaylen Walker like caters like we like we think he's a bum and he like can't play in the league. And that's absolutely not true. We just push back on a lot of the top 5 top 10 top 15 hype for them But here at 26 for the Rams, I think he I think he is Perfectly in the conversation would be a great pick for the Rams here at number 26. So I'm with you buddy

I'm all over this one. So Ravens eat somewhere. What'd you say if he's gonna succeed somewhere? It's gonna be yeah, I love you say? If he's gonna succeed somewhere, it's gonna be there. Yeah, I love the fit. Yeah, me too. Me too. You guys are up with the Ravens at 27. Is it crazy to receive her again for this team, EJ? I don't know that it's crazy.

I don't think it's crazy. I would rather talk about receivers than talk about guards at this point because I know a lot of people Especially folks, you know in the comments are gonna be like Tyler Booker's right there And you and I are both like hey Tyler Booker is an amazing power guard in a phone booth He is unmatched but get him outside that phone booth Which is a very small radius and he is more than match because he's just not there isn't there a movie Isn't there a movie that like takes place in a phone booth? We're like So really called yeah, it's called

Like at gunpoint they can't leave the phone. Yeah, that's right. That's Tyler. That's Tyler Booker There's a there's a photoshop to be there. If he leaves the phone booth, he's cooked. There's your thumbnail. There's your thumbnail. So I don't really wanna talk about guards. I mean, I do wanna talk about guards, but it would be a second round conversation with me. And I think, especially given their offense,

I'd like to see some more mobility. It gives them, you know, it gives Monk and more options No Tate Rattlage is like the guy for them. Well, I mean there's Tate Rattlage. There's Savi Nia There there's a lot of guards that could move really were and yeah, I think they're better fits than Booker is here So I don't really want to talk about guard here. We can talk about edge, right And they have a very particular type at edge. Secondary, I mean, we talk about secondary as well. But who are you thinking of receiver while I'm looking up some other options? I mean, again, it's until a Mecca gets taken. I'm just going to be like, oh, if you get a Mecca, Bucca,

like that's the most cost to move ever. Right. We say this about the Ravens every year we get done. And we're like, how did they get that player or somebody should have picked it before he gets to the Ravens? You give me Zay and a Mecha. Blah. Get out. It's great. It's great. That's like overpower.

That's clearly OP. But also, I I do see your point on edge as well. Right. So it's like. What are the edges available? Clearly OP. But also I do see your point on edge as well, right? So it's like... What are the edges available? We got Pierce. We got James Pierce, Michael Williams, Jamar Stewart, Nick Skorton. Skorton would fit actually.

Skorton would be their type of dude. I look at Skorton and I look at JTT are like the two edges there that like are the most raven ish if that makes sense No, it makes perfect sense to me. I'm tracking a hundred percent. I probably would take Skorton of the two earlier I really like JTT But boy if you're just going Working or a mecca like well, I know who I have a higher grade on that's for damn sure Let me just see you turn when Bateman's contract expires. It's gotta be soon.

It has to be at this point. So, Bateman's deal is up. After 2026, they save seven million if they cut them after this year. Hopkins is cooked at this point. Yeah. Why not? Make a book.

Yeah, it's a very Ravens move from a draft perspective of, hey, look what the draft board gave us. We'll pick up that dollar that everybody else dropped. Okay. I'm with you. I have. I have not seen this one before, before but again I do like the thought process there. Connor we're on the board with the Detroit Lions here at number 28. We've got

a plethora of players for them to choose from. I mean James Spears Jr. Mikel Williams, Shamar Stewart, Nick Skorton all those guys are available there if you want to entertain wide receiver further like Matthew Golden is still here There I don't think they would entertain linebacker, what's their guard situation? Oh, they're plugging in Christian mahogany I Graham glass knows getting older. So like maybe depending on what you think of their depth there Because they're replacing Kevin's nightlar at one of those spots Man, where are you going with this one? What do you have? Do you have a leaning one way or the other? Yeah, Scorton or Shamar just depending a leaning one way or the other. Yeah.

Scorton or Shamar, just depending what kind of player I'm at. Yeah. I didn't agree. I thought this was very narrow to me. I'm like the fact that I get to pick between both of them here is kind of insane. I guess if I wanted a more prototypical edge, especially since he's down to 257 now, which I think he'll get back to the Purdue form. I would take Skorton. If I wanted the freak of nature, you know,

can play truly up and down depending on what you ask him in Shamar, but I don't think has the pass rush. Shamar doesn't have a go-to pass rush move, like a way to win. Skorton, when you turn on the Purdue tape, when he was like, hey, pin your ears back and go wild, you saw everything, heavy hands, spin move.

So if they want that kind of guy, I would go Skorton. But if they want a little bit more versatility with less polish, I'd go Shamar. I agree with you that this is the conversation. Here's why I'm gonna lean Shamar Stewart and why I think they should pick Shamar Stewart here. One, just the athletic freak in the high ceiling overall. Now look, we said that, okay, he might not be a sack master,

but here's the thing, A&M or the Detroit Lions might not need him to be. When I think about Nick Skorton, I think about how he won when he was at Purdue versus the positions that he was put in the Texas A&M. When he was at Purdue, he was aligned, like you mentioned, he was a little bit lighter in weight. He was aligned a lot as a standup wide pass rusher.

So a lot of times he'd be coming from like that like wide seven alignment and I don't want to necessarily necessarily say that it was like cheap pass rush wins because I wouldn't say that that's true either because he showed you a lot of really great hand usage a lot of really great moves but when you align in that wide seven alignment one you get a runway of momentum before you get to the offensive tackle. So that certainly helps anytime you're trying to convert speed to power. And two, it makes it really difficult

for the offensive line to shift your direction and be able to help when you are out that wide. So you do get a lot of one-on-one opportunities against college offensive tackles. The issue that I would have with him, or sorry, just to continue that, when he played at A&M this past year they played him a lot more head up against the offensive tackle right and he didn't have that runway he didn't have that extra leeway and that and that that ability to sort of win a little bit

more cleanly with less help to him and the issue that I have with him in Detroit is he would have to play that alignment a lot more because Detroit, what they did last year when Aiden Hutchinson was absolutely going nuclear is they purposefully aligned their defensive line to make it very difficult for any offensive lineman to help block Aiden Hutchinson while also giving him a little bit of space. Like he would be either aligned as like a six technique or sometimes even as that wide seven, like I talked about, and they give him the cleaner one on one. So they're not going to now all of a sudden like lean and give Nick

Skorton those one on ones. They're always going to give that to Aiden Hutchinson. So instead if I get the strength, the speed, the length of Shamar Stewart to play as that base five technique, head up over the tackle defensive end on the other side that's the one that I like the I like a lot better for the Detroit Lions yeah let's run yeah did it totally make sense you know what this is Connor this is the ultimate 4d chess hedge by

Trevor right because he can go yeah Shamar's getting all the double teams, man. Of course he's not getting sacked. And it'll work just fine. It's the sacrificial Shamar. Protected, covering all bases. That's right. Hey, I've never missed on a prospect, not once. It's always been context.

They picked the wrong guy. He got a little hurt, injury. I've never missed on a prospect. Hey, Trev, never use an excuse in competition that you haven't tried in practice Well, if you guys are going to Shemar, yeah Shemar Stewart off the board Yeah, we could just do score. Yeah Yeah, and he fits really well from a physical perspective. And it lines it up. I mean, they got Dorrance Armstrong and Chloe Farrell.

Like, this is this is your succession plan. This is your hey, he's probably going to take snaps from him by one of those guys from midseason and into the future. This is the guy we're really leaning on to develop as our, you know, our center point in the edge, you know, group. Boom. All right. It is easy. The the bill is up at number 30. Now they could use corner.

I really like Traymo. So like I would legitimately think about Traymo's here. I know you like Azari Thomas. So I think he's probably in the conversation there as well. Where did we where did Walter Nolan end up going? The charters. Yeah, I know. No one here is a good. It would have been fun.

Would have been great. Too early for Ty Lee. No, that's who I would take. That's a good call. Brett Ty Lee is next there. I would take Ty Lee. I think they need beef in their front. Even when Logan Jobi is back from the six game suspension, he doesn't give you that.

No, he's not that kind of player. No. I don't know. All right. I don't hate it. Tyleak Williams. I mean, I'd entertain corner, obviously, but you seem to be... I think they need this. I think corner, they will eventually need it. I look at this team and go, they need a player in the mold of Tyleak at some point of this draft draft and I think he's really good. I think he's a top 25 player in this class, which I know isn't too popular. But I think he I think he also changes things for the Bills front a lot like Breton EJ did with Tampa. Yeah. Yep. Where now you can sort of use that Oliver kind of however you want and

you're not using him in nearly as much as you're not using him in as many situations where it would really expose any sort of size weaknesses that he might have and you're basically just putting him in really advantageous situations. So, all right, let's do it. Tyler Williams, the interior defensive lineman from Ohio State. One of the best run stuffers that we have in this draft here at number 30 to Buffalo Bills final pick of this draft for you guys Kansas City Chiefs at number 31. EJ I know we have to eat our vegetables and the vegetables are left tackle but can I just suggest sugar cookies for dinner? Do it! I have a real fun one. Go for it! Shawn, don't I? Norman lot. Oh, he deserved first because life is uncertain.

I'm we could all die tomorrow, EJ. That's right. Great point. Come on, EJ. No, I don't assume this is the Shanahan. Norman lot. 31st overall. In parentheses, crazy person. I'm not sure that that's sugar cookies. This is the Shanahan, right? Sit up at the podium, go, hey, we could all die next week.

I don't know. It's just an elite quote. Yeah. Phenomenal. I don't know. I like my green veggies better. This is a Connerly spot for me, and it feels very Chiefs. They try this all the time.

Not saying it works. I'm saying like this is what the chiefs do. Like they get that tackle late in the first round and it's of, you know, interesting value. I tend to like Connerly. I think he'd be a good in this spot. And I think, again, if we're going to do the stack with defensive tackles, you're going to do better with the defensive tackle than you are with a left tackle later on.

So. All right, fine. I think the conversation is a counterly for you or I just want to ask and I'll ask everybody here because it's one of the questions I'm really interested in. Donovan Jackson, tackler guard guard guard guard. Everybody guard guard guard. OK, well, then it's Connerly. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Now, if they want to's Connerly. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah Now if they want to take a guard you could play tackle it rather just take some or Jonah some Savanaya, Savanaya. Yeah, oh boy Savi in a there we go. Oh, there we go No, it's big Jonah. It's just big Jonah We go back way, you know, so I've always just called him big Jonah, you know, every right right your buds It's good. So you put Savah in a next to Sue a matah here. Yeah, there it is. Nice. That was good. Nice

No, I'm sure on the other side and then you're all set No, I'm sure I have to go to the other side and then you're all set All right, so you guys take Connelly yeah, yeah Yeah, I think this conversation basically comes down to do you believe that Connelly is worth a late first early second round pick? Because if the answer is yes, you're probably picking him for the Chiefs at 31. Yeah, I kind of have to Conversation that we have here, Philadelphia. What is how we get to do What is how we get to do? Howie did it again! He stole the draft! Look...

I know you want to say James Pierce so bad. No, no, no. I'd take Luther Burden. I'd take Luther Burden the third. 100%. 100%. I love A.J. Brown, but I mean there were even rumblings of him not being happy in Philly this year When they won the Super Bowl, right? And I mean like so so if there's anything that I have learned in this life

It is that your star wide receiver is just it there It is a ticking time bomb before they demand a trade That's basically how it is. I feel like in so many spots in the NFL, of course You know, then Tampa Buccaneers who have a world class organization. But fucking guy, I don't know how much. I don't know. I don't know how much longer AJ Brown is going to be on the Philadelphia Eagles. I'm not saying it's imminent. But I'm saying, I

would rather just in this, I think people look at Howie Roseman, they go, no, no, no, no, no, he's only going to take trenches. This is all Howie Roseman does. at Howie Roseman and they go, no, no, no, no, no, he's only gonna take trenches. This is all Howie Roseman does. What Howie Roseman does is that he gets ahead of things. And he often does it in the trenches because that's where there's the biggest turnover and an inability to replace it immediately. But right now the Eagles are pretty dang good

in both of their trenches, even with some of the losses that they had in the defensive line. So we can pick a defensive line. And I know they have Jahan Dotson, but if you also throw in the fact that you have Luther Bird in the third, you have a stud wide receiver, in my opinion, in him and Devontae Smith, independent of whatever might happen with AJ Brown. And as long as AJ Brown is on the team, you have an elite trio of wide receivers

to defend that Superbowl with. So I would take Luther Bird in the third. I'm not going to deny you that joy. That was a great sales pitch. And I think it's legitimately like there's good reasoning there. I mean, we saw a little dysfunction throughout a Super Bowl winning season between them and Brown, even the Brown and them figure it out. You still need a third wide receiver.

That's an upgrade over Jahan Dotson. By your goal, like you're going one of the best players available here. So I mean, what like what are our other options that we're going to do? Okay, we're going to take an interior defensive interior pass rusher like Darius Alexander Omar Norman lot or TJ Sanders. Are we going to just take Mikel Williams and ask him to be a rugged edge for us and go back to the Georgia well for the 9000 time? Nothing's wrong with any of these options. But in a scenario where we get go back to the Georgia well for the 9,000th time. Nothing's wrong with any of these options. But in a scenario where we get the keys to the car,

let's take Luther Burden and just make this offense ridiculous. That's what I would do. So they get to eat sugar cookies for dinner. Yeah, that's absolutely right. The chiefs don't. You wore the green hat, man. It's your fault.

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