NFL Stock Exchange: An NFL Draft Podcast - Collab Mock Draft (With Marcus Whitman)

Episode Date: April 9, 2025

Trevor Sikkema and Connor Rogers are joined by Marcus Whitman, AKA That Franchise Guy, for a new “what we would do” first round mock draft

Welcome to the opening bell of the NFL Stock Exchange podcast. I'm Trevor Sikma. That's Connor Rogers. And the other face that we have in the box is our good friend, Marcus Whitman, who runs that franchise guy YouTube channel. There's a good chance that if you're subscribed to our channel, you're subscribed to our channel you're subscribed to his because doing a lot of the same content he does it extremely high level he covers the NFL the NFL draft Madden although not as much right anymore kind of a boarding the Madden stuff nowadays you know try to get a rebuild in when I can on the other channel but as you guys know draft stuff keeps us pretty busy so He's full analyst, folks.

He's left the childish video games aside, and now he's obviously here to talk to Menafel Draft with us. As we have every single episode of the Collab Mock Draft series, we are here to do a brand new first round Mock Draft. Very excited to talk with Marcus about this when he's one of my good friends in the industry, our good friends in the industry. So Marcus, officially, how are you my friend? I'm doing great.

Thank you guys so much for having me back. Trevor, of course, congrats. Big accomplishment with the wedding. Thank you. Also a big accomplishment. I don't know how you got that in a month before the draft. You might be crazy, but congrats on that. I'm paying for it right now.

I'm just gonna let you know. Like not from my wife, my wife, or anything, but truly the work, it's like, all right, I can do a little bit of work beforehand and then I get to catch up afterwards. Obviously very worth it though. Yeah, well and Connor, great opportunity to get away from grinding day three centers and safeties

for like four days. Yes, it was the only thing that was a magnetic force to draw me away from my cave of watching you DFAs. And it was lovely, lovely. And Marcus, you are truly one of our favorites, man. Definitely one of my favorite YouTubers, I'll say, and favorite people in this industry. So great to have you back, man. It's gonna be a lot of fun today.

And excited to get your takes, which has kind of been the goal of this series of like, okay, how is everybody looking at these picks differently? And I know you have some of your own that we haven't seen before as well. Yeah, one of them, I guess we're gonna fight about Jot A Baron at some point. We are.

You tease that. We're gonna have to get into it. I don't remember if it was on the timeline actually, or if it was just in the DM when we were setting this up, but apparently you're a certified Jadai Baron hater. Fifth round grade. Unbelievable. Undraftable. Unbelievable.

Rookie mini camp invite at best. My son Jadai Baron. Yeah, no, that's actually why I've moved back to Minnesota so you didn't have to come and beat me up in Charlotte smart of my Jadai Baron takes. Stay one step ahead. It's good, it's good, that's smart, that's smart. It's what we would do mock drafts,

so obviously we're gonna have a lot of fun here. We were gonna do just a 1v1v1, and each of us takes one pick, but the more we were thinking about it, Connor and I are still gonna team up because we want to hear more of Marcus' analysis, so we wanna make sure that he gets as many picks in there as possible.

That's what makes the Colab Mock Draft series fun. Marcus, you are a resident Packers fan though, and you did say before we hit record, can I get the Packers? Which means you would be getting the odd selections, which also comes with pressure of you picking for the New York Jets and the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. But I actually like that. Me too. You know, we talk so much about our favorite teams, so now Marcus gets to give his opinion on

our favorite teams. But the odds, does that sound good with you? That sounds great. I had to go and listen. You guys had Brett and EJ on. I had to go and see what you guys did for the Packers there. Brett and EJ, Big Bears fans, they spent five minutes, and we'll see where I end up picking for them, they spent five minutes debating

which wide receiver to take for them, and then with like, you know, three seconds left on the clock, they just pull out and take Braden Swinson out of nowhere. I'm like, you had it, you had it in the bag. Nothing wrong with Braden Swinson, but like, what happened to the wide receivers? You just spent five minutes debating.

I texted Brett, and he was like, I will not let you get Jaden Higgins. And I was like, oh, screw you. It was really funny because they did all of that. And then instead of defaulting to a player that we've seen in first round mock drafts 7,500 times, a player, Swinson, that we really like, and you'll hear his name in our final edge rankings,

even though you didn't hear his name in our months ago edge rankings You never see Swinson in the top 25 picks. Yeah, never mentioned that was the most hilarious part. So well done by then Yeah, it was that that mock was hilarious because We were Connor we were what? Six picks in and it had been like an hour and hours like it big so Marcus We promise we're not gonna hold you

for three hours like it was with them, but it's just the back and forth conversations that you're saying out loud was just, it was a lot of fun with those guys, and that was one of those examples of them going, all right, let's debate which wide receiver for seven minutes, and then boom, absolute curve ball. You never saw it coming, so.

Crazy. Okay, let's get into this thing I'm gonna pull up the pff mock draft simulator, which of course you guys can do as well at home You can follow along with this show or you can do your own mock drafts Um, if you have a full pff subscription Then you can do as many mock drafts as you want every single day rounds one two three all the way up to seven rounds Uh, that's great stuff. So we get the Titans on the clock at number one overall. This is a, what we would do mock draft.

Now it's not totally independent of where the teams are, right? The things that they did or did not do in free agency sort of go into now how we talk about who we would draft for these teams, but Marcus, you're batting lead off, you're kicking it off here. Who are you taking it number one for the Titans? I am gonna take Cam Ward, and I do think that's what they'll do. Begrudgingly or?

No, like, is it the ideal 101 player? No, he's not like a Trevor Lawrence, Caleb Williams level guy. But just like, for comparison's sake, I was unfortunately a little too low on Jaden Daniels. But I've got him in a same category where I had Jaden Daniels, maybe a Fields. Basically worthy of a top 10 pick.

And if you're worthy of a top 10 pick and you got the number one pick and he's the only guy there and you know if you're worthy of a top 10 pick and you got the number one pick and he's the only guy there and you need a quarterback it's not really that out there to say yeah let's just take him with the number one pick. I do think especially like his upside if he does hit will pay back the number one pick. Like I think he has a chance to be a difference making quarterback even if his likelihood of hitting that is a little bit less than you typically would want there, I'm still comfortable enough doing it. You got to kind of play the hand that you're dealt.

So I do really like Cam Ward. I have him kind of at this point, like miles ahead of Chideur, frankly. So just going to make the pick and build around it. I think we're sort of in the same boat with you where it's Cam at the very top and then it's a little bit of a gap. Connor, I don't want to speak for you, but certainly me. No, it's been that way a while. It's a gap and then it's Shadour.

When you look at it, I think, Marcus, you put it a great way, when you look at quarterbacks that could at least achieve the ceiling of a number one overall pick a quarterback, Cam at least presents you that ceiling. So you got to feel all right about that. Connor, we're on the clock now at number two with the Cleveland Browns. You know, quite frankly, they would love Cam Ward, but no longer on the board here. Travis Hunter is our number one overall player for both of us. It seems as though as we are recording this, that's where the Browns are leaning as well

to potentially take a. Market flipped today. Yeah, yeah. Market flipped probably because of Adam Shifter. Right, right. Not having full conviction, but you know, pointing to it going this way. Shafty's been funny this draft season with the Browns,

and it's nothing against him. Being an insider is brutal, right? Because you're just, you are at the mercy of whatever information you are hearing and what people are telling you. Yeah, especially for the draft. What was it, two months ago, Shefter said, if I am confident on anything at all

whatsoever in this draft, it is that the Cleveland Browns are drafting a quarterback. And now all of a sudden, you know, he comes out and he's like, yeah, I think they're going to draft Travis Hunter. So they could still draft a quarterback with 33. But I think when he said that originally, you're thinking about them having the number two overall pick. Now, Cam Ward wasn't-

He could still end up being right. And they could come back in with, you know, get up to like 20 or something if Shadoor starts falling. He still could have his cake and eat a treat. It happened on our last mock draft with Charles and Nate. I honestly, I'm just at this point waiting to see what happens because Miles Garrett did the song and dance,

which it feels like it's song and dance now at this point, right, where he goes, he signs the $40 million a year contract, and then he basically says, hey, you know, obviously the money was great, but yeah, I talked to ownership, I talked to leadership, and I love the direction of like where we're going. And it's basically, you know, like a nod nod,

wink wink about what's gonna happen at quarterback. And it was on Andrew Siciliano's podcast where Siciliano was like, well, can you tell us like what the plans are at quarterback? And he kind of like smirks and he's like, you know, I can't do that. But so I'm sitting here like,

all right, well, what's the move? So what are we doing? You don't control your own destiny with Cam Ward. So what could you have possibly told Miles Garrett that he would just go, yeah man, absolutely love where this franchise is going. Outside of just saying. $40 million a year. $40 million a year.

We don't know it. That's what I can't wait to see. Like, was it literally just about the money? Were you just like, yeah, I was lying. Like, we're not gonna have any quarterback. Like, it's not gonna happen. I'm just gonna be rich and don't have to hear from anybody.

So, maybe that's it. Maybe that's it. I mean, I'm taking Travis Hunter here, Trevor. Me too, me too. The question is, is he gonna play receiver full time here for the Browns, which will be really, really interesting to see how that unfolds. But Hunter's been our number one player for a long time.

And the Browns get the best player in the draft with the second overall pick. I believe the Browns at the combine said that they viewed Travis Hunter more as a wide receiver. See if they stick to their word. Yeah and I wondered too like because they do have three starters you could you could kind of just at corner they have three starters you could start them at wide receiver and maybe get them going in some defensive rooms throughout the first year and then maybe almost treat almost treat like that side of the ball almost like the kind of draft and stash prospect idea And then both your corners are hurt week seven and you're like, oh god, please save us. Well, yeah

Then Travis Hunter and Jerry Judy are both playing He just rubbed off on everyone Cedric Tillman is this strong safety He just rubbed off on everyone. Cedric Tillman is strong safety. Yeah, Cedric. Just the ultimate seven on seven team. Like, you're playing both ways. He just gives the Herman Boone, remember the Titans, like you're playing both ways

every single game. Just all of the wide receivers. Maybe that's what they told Miles Garrett. You get to play tight end too. Maybe Miles Garrett is playing quarterback. Who knows? Yeah, there we go. All of a sudden the deal doesn't look so bad now, does it? He pulls the mask off and he's like, I'm the quarterback. But it's just his face. Marcus, are you a Travis Hunter number one overall prospect or are you an Abdul Carter number one overall prospect?

I think so. Let me see where I put him on. I released the top 50 big board. Let's go. I actually had him just a tick behind Carter. Okay. But I might arrive at that. Just because Carter does have the kind of shoulder injury, that's more of a positional value thing to me.

I'm a big D- line over a corner guy. It makes sense. But I mean, he's number two. Like he's, he's awesome. Yeah. I think that basically everybody that we've talked to is like, all right, tier one's exactly the same. Doesn't really matter who you have one doesn't really matter who you have to you know Tyler Warren action Chantee Mason Graham Will Campbell Armand Memboo whatever like you love all these guys but even for as much as the people who like them a lot they're not touching that first tier these two guys so I wonder where you were out there I think what I might differ there yeah because I I I think I would actually put Tet in my tier one. I'm, I like that. Like I. So he's, he's, he's prospect three for me.

I have, he is number three for me. I wouldn't have him in tier one, but I'm, I just like, I think he's going to be a top five to 10 receiver in a league. And I think he's the perfect blend of like Mike Evans and Drake London and prospect fatigue is getting the best of them. Um, but other than that, yeah, yeah, my top tier is about the same.

We needed this. We needed this comment. We needed this positivity on the show. There's been too much negative Ted talk around here lately. You're up at number three, Marcus. Yeah, we think we know where you're going here. Yeah, I... Maybe?

So I did actually take Mason Graham in a mock draft because I'm not going to do that here. I'm just saying I did it as a thought experiment because they do have Tibbito, who I thought actually showed some signs in the last month and a half of the year last year, at least enough to say like, wow, we put Mason Graham, just get one on one blocks for days next to Dexter Lawrence with those two guys on the edge. You're completing the defensive line. It's just a thought the problem with that is I don't think you can trade down too far and still expect to get Mason Graham

So I just kind of did that as a thought and it is in consideration, but I will take a dual Carter It's definitely the safer pick like we just said. He's either the first or second best prospect I do think you probably just just knowing Thibodeau and his kind of aura, you probably have to trade Thibodeau if you're gonna do this. I would agree, yeah. I don't think he wants to be a backup and get replaced like this.

So, you know, it's just not the most ideal way to use your resources. So it does get a little bit clunky there, but I think it's the right pick. What are we getting for Thibodeau? Cause is he on the last year of his rookie deal? Well, that's the problem is that you're gonna have to pay him.

Yeah. Yeah, probably. Cause like I'm like, I'm thinking, you know, if Giants are sitting here with pick number 34 at the top of the second round, right? If you have an opportunity where you could package 34 and cave on Tibbido, are there teams

that would be interested? And then you could get, you know what I'm saying? Like you could pop up, like, I don't think that you could get all the way up to like 15? Like you could pop up, like I don't think that you could get all the way up to like 15 for it, but like the Falcons are just an example, right? Where it's like, all right, well they need a pass rusher, they need a young pass rusher to believe in

if they think that of Thibodeau, something like that. But I don't. I like that. I don't think you get that high though. Use them as a piece to go get Shidura you're talking about. Yeah, or somebody, right? So. Yeah. Say you're talking about something. Yeah, or or or somebody right so yeah say you wanted to go Like who's an obvious trade-out candidate you would think minnesota vikings, but they they wouldn't want they don't need it right

So they wouldn't want them. That's I look at i look at washington. Yep, they could use pass rush washington But it's a division rival washington you could say You're giving tibetau and like what else did the Giants have? He gonna trade him in your division though? Oh yeah. I wouldn't. I mean I don't know if he wants to play in Green Bay but I would do 23 for 34 in Thibodeau just. Well maybe you could do that and then if you knew that. You know I felt bad I think it was I think it was Vikings fans that we screwed over. Was it on this show?

Maybe it was on the PFF show. I can't remember. But like we had them trade out. We're like, all right, all right, we're going to come up with a trade for them to trade out of the first round. And then we didn't pick for them. Like in the second and Viking Spencer like, what? Thanks, guys.

Yeah, I do it all the time. I feel terrible. It's like, oh, you spent an hour watching my video and I completely screwed you over. That would value Tibido as the 70th overall pick in the giraffe, top of the third. Yeah, somewhere like that. That's worth, by value. All right, so we're gonna take up dual carder here.

And then- Maybe that comes into play later. And then, you know, a little teaser to make sure you guys are watching the whole episode, make sure the watch time's getting where it needs to be so we can feed our families. Maybe we'll get a Tibido trade at some point in time we'll see who knows or maybe we'll just completely forget about it yeah and maybe we'll just go on with our day thanks thanks for sticking around I got

to go eat dinner all right so we're obviously trading number four here for cave on Tibbido now that he's available no we're not Connor what are we thinking here this is you know you hate to see this. What? Just because the top guys are off the board. Yeah, it's just different for me. Listen. They need offensive line help badly. If I really went that route, I would take Memboo as a tackle over Campbell, even though I think Campbell is the best lineman in the draft. I'd like him better at guard

We could go we've done the the Tet pick here Trevor and I have no problem with it at all I mean, I really care that they sign Stefan Diggs in that scenario Like that's now moving the needle where I'm not I'm not considering it here I think Graham and Gentie are the most worthy considering it here. I think Graham and Gentie are the most worthy talents at four, by the way. Like if I had to just get that out of the way, I think they are the next best players in the draft. Who did you say?

Gentie and Graham. Okay. By talent, just purely by talent. Like when Marcus said he took Graham to the Giants at three, I don't think that's insane at all, by the way. I think Graham is that good. So there's a lot of options. The Graham conversation gets interesting for the Patriots.

Marcus, I don't know if you've talked about this before, but it gets interesting thinking about Christian Baltimore's long-term health. Yeah. Like obviously he dealt with the blood clots and he was kind of able to play a little bit last year, but like if that's something that they are genuinely worried that could be a long-term thing with him, maybe that, maybe that's why they were like, Hey,

we'll, we'll, we'll back up the Brinks truck for Milton Williams. And we've got to make sure that we have him. And if we have him and Christian Barmore, great, but we have to have somebody at least over Barmore. So maybe the Milton Williams signing keeps you from drafting Mason Graham and you go, okay, well, we don't quite have to address this immediately because at least we have Milton.

Or we take this position later. Yeah. I agree. Because they have two third round picks the Patriots do. So I like offense more for the Patriots, especially given what they've done on the defensive side of things. I would, I would go tent Memboo or Will Campbell here. I'm okay with, I'm okay with any of those three. Do you have a leaning one way or the other? Sounds like Memboo. Memboo, if I'm certainly taking a tackle. Now what's weird with that is they signed Morgan Moses to be a stopap right tackle and Memboo plays right tackle

So you could talk me almost more into Campbell Give him the chance to fail at left tackle and if he does He's gonna be a really good left guard for you. I'm gonna do I I'm gonna say we do that then yeah go that route Campbell's my guy. I'm like I just I just don't like the left side of this offensive line at all I'm a big, I'm a big, big Campbell fan. I just don't like the left side of this offensive line at all. You shouldn't. The Darien Lowe, Kaden Wallace are competing

at left tackle, Cole Strange and Leydon Robinson competing at left guard. Give me some kind of sure thing and I'd rather have Campbell then. All right, Marcus, where are you on Will Campbell when it comes to like offensive tackle rankings or just thoughts overall, like how worried you might be on tackle or not? So I've got him and Memboo super close.

I think you guys broke that down like perfectly, like the differences between those two guys as players. I agree, like if you were looking for left side help, I would lean Will Campbell over Memboo, who doesn't have that experience necessarily. If you could guarantee me health though, Josh Simmons would be my OT one My man unbelievable, but obviously we don't have all that information so hard

You're not considering him there for but I think I'm pretty pretty in line with what you guys got confirmation It's a torn patellar tendon by the way didn't tear't tear his ACL. It is a patellar tendon. So Victor Cruz did, pretty sure. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Scary injury. Yeah, it's a tough one for sure. I, you know, not a doctor. I've just watched, you know, every episode of the show, Scrubs.

But I really don't know exactly which one would be worse for offensive tackle play, ACL or the patellar. I don't know. Sometimes I feel like it is the patella attendance a little bit worse, but I think ACL in general is more difficult to recover from and be okay from. I'll be surprised if Simmons goes in the top 20 picks. Personally. Yeah, me too. Like very, actually very surprised. Yeah. But somebody can get a steal. So hey,

Marcus, you're up with the Jags here at number five. Well, that's great for me because you guys heard what I said about Tet earlier, so that makes it very easy. He is my number three prospect in this class, or four depending on, you know, Jeanty as well, the positional value gets a little murky there. But for me, like I said, he is a true blue chipper, which I don't go throwing that term around. Sometimes I have drafts where I don't even have blue Chippers in it because you know these are guys that I'm expecting to be like all pro type of players But man you put Tet Coming in this year with the coordinator Liam Cohen that had Mike Evans last year

Next to Brian Thomas if you're if you're worried at all about Tets long speed and any of that What a perfect player to put him next to that with Brian Thomas So that one's a pretty easy pick for me if he's there. This totally completes the Jags wide receiver room, right? Because now anytime that you only have two wide receivers on the field, it's Ted and Brian Thomas, you feel great about it. Good luck.

And then if you want to go more 11 personnel stuff and get three wide receivers on the field, you have Gabe Davis and Diami Brown, which can be sort of your vertical stretching Z receivers. You could use Brian Thomas however you want. You could play Ted on the X. Or if you want somebody who's just a little bit more over the middle, let's say the team that you're playing

doesn't really have a lot of great second level coverage defenders, you throw Parker Washington in there. And then Washington and Brian Thomas Jr. can be a great compliment to what's going on at the second level and over the middle. So I'm going to be honest with you. I don't see this pick enough in mock drafts. Yeah, I totally agree. I do not think that we consider it nearly as much as we should be. I think James Gladstone is going end up picking trenches, but what Tet does to this passing

attack, I'm so with you Marcus, I love this pick here. Yeah, you can even put him in the slot too if you want to put like, Diami on the outside where he's a little better. I think Tet can do some of the Drake London big slot stuff too, so. Yep, yep. Raiders. Yeah, we're up on the board. Go ahead Trevor, what What do you wanna do?

Well, I'm not picking Tyler Moran. Look, man. Is this going where I think it's going? As much as I don't want to like force a selection, if the Raiders don't pick a corner here, what do we what what's the season outlook? I wouldn't. Who's playing corner Connor a day to pick who?

Zariah Thomas. That's fine. Yeah, I could get with that. Maybe you get an injury discount on Savon Revell. He ain't gonna be there. Yeah, I don't think so either. I think teams kind of remembered how sick he is. Yeah, right, right.

I'll tell you though, this corner class, it starts to get ugly quick. That's what I'm saying, man. I'm just gonna keep it real. Like when I go through it, I'm like, man, I think so many players are just being propped up just because they're the next guy, like Trey Amos. If Morrison, if you can.

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Not in the first round. Whoa. Yeah, no, I won't take that slander either. I'm with you, Trevor. Whoa. I got you back. The first round?

I can take it back into the first round. Trey was good. Yeah, no way. Dude, he's had a forcing completion percentage above 20 over the last three years. Sure, he's fine. I'm not taking him in the first round, though. was good. No way. Dude, he's had a forcing completion percentage above 20 over the last three years. Sure, he's fine. I'm not taking him in the first round though. This is a perfect example of this.

Connor, wouldn't draft him. What? He wouldn't draft him. No, I wouldn't take him. Undraftable, and that's code. Marcus, just so you know, any time one of us goes, yeah, he's fine. Undraftable.

Wouldn't touch him. Wouldn't touch him with a 10-foot pole. So we're taking Will Johnson here. Oh, you do like Baron better at corner than me. I do. Okay, that's, okay. Interesting. I mean, look, the conversation is Mason Graham

or one of the guys. I'm just so, I default so often to taking Mason Graham here that it's just, I say it in my sleep at this point. Because I just love that front four so much with him in it. It's insane. I don't know man, the short arms, Mason Graham, I don't know if he could play press corner for him.

Not enough ball skills, Mason Graham. He does have the agility. I mean zero interceptions in his career. It's pretty, yeah. You have to wonder, you have to wonder if it'll work out at the next level. Yeah, I just I don't know I don't know What did you say you really wanted Baron here, right? Look, I'm not saying you're crazy for that. By the way. I don't I'll say it. I mean I wouldn't do that, but I Don't love the idea of picking a corner at six

No, not at all they need But I don't love the idea of picking a corner at six. No, not at all. They need four. Hold on. Starting cornerbacks on this team. Four, I don't think it's that bad. Yeah, I don't either. Look, I've been through the Eric Stokes experience a lot. And how did it go?

He's a band-aid. He's not that bad. When you need stitches. Yeah, slap a band-aid on it. Gushing blood on the floor. Jacory and Bennett was really good last year. I think Jacory and Bennett is fine. You're right.

That's insulting to the Jacory and Bennett. I think he is fine. I think they need a slot. If they have to go into next year with Stokes and Bennett, I think they could find a slot at some point. I also kind of like Decemary and Richardson as a developmental piece. Yeah, I did too, just because of the sizings.

Okay, then you guys, they did. He was never gonna be good in year one. You guys are higher on him than I am. Listen, I don't love this corner room. The theory for me is I'm not drafting for need with a top six pick ever. I don't like doing that either. But the Raiders have forced me

into having this conversation. I don't wanna be here. You think I wanna be here? Trevor, honest question. Do you think the Raiders are making the playoffs this year? Yeah, every team starts out zero on zero, brother. I think they could be really punchy with Gino and Pete. And when we fixed them, we were like, damn,

they have more talent than people give them credit for. But I don't think they are in the plug all the holes to make the playoffs mode. I just now that I've looked now that I've successfully pissed off Raiders fans once again. That's amazing. We take Mason Graham. Thank you.

Master class. Yeah, yeah, no, truly. That's what I, that. They're all screaming right now. Yeah, yeah, yeah, they are. I do, I can get down with the idea because they have, let's see, where's their pick in this? I can get down with the idea of taking Mason Graham at six

is incredible content. Yeah, cause they have a second get down with the idea of taking Mason Graham at six is incredible content. Yeah, cause they have a second rounder at the beginning of the second round. They got a third, fourth, fifth, three, six. I think they will be able to draft a starting caliber corner at the top of the second round. There we go. I do agree with you.

You love this. You better not wait till after 37. No, you probably can't. No, you absolutely can't. And so you're hoping it works out for you. But like you said, look, I do agree with you. I love the conversations of, okay, what if they went this? Mason Graham is the better pick in my opinion.

He's a top five player for me. He's ranked higher than the other corners. I think John Spyt tech understands that as well So we'll go Graham here and keep Raiders fans from Revolting revolting once again on me. All right Marcus. You got the Jets Jets. Wow. I I hate that for the Jets I would have loved to either of those last two picks for the Jets, but There is a good backup plan. That's not maybe even a backup plan, now that I talk for five seconds. I'll go Memboo here.

They created that gaping hole at right tackle. I think they kinda actually told us that this'll probably be the pick. So I do take it back. It's actually fell just fine for us. Kind of a Morgan Moses-esque replacement for him. I don't know, maybe they'll trade Breece Holland draft Ash and Shanty, right, Connor?

Isn't that like the talk of the town right now? There's always something. Breece was not good last year. When you live it, no. Definitely never looked healthy, which is concerning at this point. And then there was, it was interesting how Aaron Glenn spoke about Breece,

mentioning Braylon Allen and Isaiah Davis immediately, versus how he spoke about Garrett Wilson. Where Garrett Wilson, it was like, basically like, yeah, Garrett's that guy, we can get the ball, and then somebody asked about Brees, and he's like, we got three running backs on this team that are gonna get the ball, and it's like, oh, okay. Yeah. Okay.

So yeah, I mean, I would take Membo at seven as well, Marcus, I think you just, man, they've already said they're not gonna move ABT from right guard, so they have a pretty big hole at right tackle, and it's a good looking young line with him in fashion, too, as your book ends. You get excited about that duo. Totally.

So the Panthers on the clock here at number eight, we're back up, Connor. It's what we would do here. So I'm curious, I will let you kick it off. Kind of got a lot of different options here on the board for them. Yeah, this gets so tough for them. They're the hardest team in my opinion to pick for. It's weird. They are. They aren't. We had this combo specifically with Nate, who was like, you just take defense and you won't be wrong. But on the flip side

of it, it's like you want to nail a top eight pick for an impact player. I would with a bullet. Trevor loves that. Take Mike Green and not think twice about it. Like this is a very just because I think he is so good and they need pure pass rush. But I understand it's a little easy for me to sit here and say that where it might be a little bit more complicated at an NFL level.

Or honestly though, Trevor, I'd said my backup option, it might not be a backup option. It's a lot damn closer than I even expected. I love Jahad Campbell here as well for them. I think we went Campbell last week. I think we did. For them at eight. I think Mike Green's a hell of a player on the field. I don't know where he's going to be on some teams boards

with the field and stuff. I think Evero would say, if you're going defense, get me a linebacker, or sorry, a defensive lineman over a linebacker. Yeah, well, I think in actuality, I think Schmarke Stewart's on the board here. I think Jalen Walker in the actual draft will be in play here. Yeah. I think so, too. Their linebacker room's not great, but it is what we would

do. It is what we would do, which is very important here. Yeah, I would take Mike Green but I understand it's a deeper combo than that. I think I'd also take Mike Green. I mean I'm trying to think of a draft strategy for them but it just getting better at edge pass rush is very important for them. Are there any teams that would want to jump up for Chadoor to get ahead of the Saints or for Gentie? Yeah. I mean, the Bears would come up?

I mean, that's a little minor to just do two spots for this exercise, but I would love to trade down if you could, just to suggest it. The problem with trading down with Carolina is I never seem to find a price that I like for them. Like some people have suggested, oh, San Francisco, to get in front of the Saints for maybe an offensive lineman or something like that.

They'll be like, oh, okay, well, they'll give you a third. And it's like, all right, they'll be like, oh, okay, well, you know, they'll give you like a third. And it's like, all right, technically, from like the trade value standpoint, a third would work. But would the Panthers honestly move back three spots just for a third round pick, especially when it comes to them trading down past a divisional opponent who also needs defensive line that you could then trade from

and they'll just pick maybe the defensive line that you want and then you gotta go up against them twice a year. I just, I see what you're saying, Marcus. I just can't find a spot where I actually like it for them to trade down. I don't know. I don't know.

Nothing seems worth it for me. Probably take green and move on probably in this scenario. Yeah. All right. We'll take my green. You're up at number nine now. Fascinated what you're going to do, Marcus. Yeah. Get into the. Yeah, like you're thinking you're mulling over should door here. I feel like not me. Not you. Okay, you just think it's will be in play for them.

Well, for me, it's will be in play for them. Well For me, it's like no, it's a little earlier. It's Jalen Milro now. Yeah, he's gonna buy it to the draft Yeah, and and it was reported that he had a private workout with the Saints and they were like I don't remember what the word they used it like impressed, you know, I like to have the grass They just all fell to the floor looked up at the sky and said yes Thank God. I fell to the floor and looked up at the sky and said yes thank God I just for me they're like a two-year two-year rebuild you know like they've already went in like okay not for them they're not yeah well I like to think that they're actually committing to some bit of a rebuild

you want to see me do it again? They were so close and then they're like, Justin Reed, 30 million dollars. Who is that? 29 year old safety. Hey, who's good? But didn't think that the Saints were going to do that. No, I just don't like them for the Saints. I think they're in a position, build the trenches. You shouldn't even really be thinking about the quarterback of your future at this point.

So. Spencer Brown is already there. Yeah, exactly. Jay Caner, Jay Caner already there, obviously. The guys I'm probably between here would be either Tyler Warren or I guess Kelvin Banks. It's a little early for me on Banks, not terribly early. He's 15th on my board.

I'm just gonna gloss over it. I'm with you. It's funny how he gets treated in this class. Yeah. He's just not that athletic, but he's super solid. So I think I'm just gonna go best player available with Tyler Warren. I know they extended Jawan Johnson, but he's more of a big slot anyway.

I think there's room for both those guys in this offense. My pro-con for Tyler Warren is Dallas Goddard. So you got, you know, Kellen Moore coming over, same piece in that offense. I think the Saints just got to kind of nail the draft and start building piece by piece here. I Preferably I would get either Memboo or Will Campbell in this situation, but hmm Yeah, all right too early for me for the D lineman personally all right, so Warren Yeah, I'll go Tyler Warren. Yeah, I'll tell him one final answer

Bears a ten yeah here. We are. Here we are indeed. I don't often think a running back is worth it in the top 10. I know. I think the Bear is a- But man, this one's good. Done enough to actually consider this here for Gentie. Yeah.

It's almost like what else would you even do? That's the weird thing, isn't it? Yeah, like do you just yeah, I agree There's not that many you would just go off principle and pick something that you believe has a position about you Right like you do you guys draft it? You know draft an edge that you like like Shamar maybe Dennis Allen's there I Mean Dennis Allen plays there. I mean. Dennis Allen plays even front stuff.

So that wouldn't shock me. To take just a jumbo edge. Yeah. He would definitely be their type. But would you guys do that? No. No. No I wouldn't. I would take

Gentie here and feel really damn good when I go to sleep before day two of the draft. Yeah. Like for Caleb, for Ben Johnson's offense, for everything we invested in the line. Yeah, if the draft breaks a different way, and I don't know, like if Tyler Warren were on the board here, I'd think about it.

If Mike Green's on the board there, I'm probably thinking about it. Really, like any of these guys maybe making it to you you're thinking about it but with the board breaking the way that it is to me Genthe makes the most sense because then 39 and 41 you could stack up on a pretty deep defensive line class and feel pretty good about that so all right, gente attended bears Niners at 11 So I always go straight to the D line for them That group is just so depleted Sala. I was doing I was doing a mock draft and We were like Sala's gonna walk back to the Niners, like the pizza box in the room.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. The fire. Fresh Prince. He's gonna walk back in and it's gonna be like, what the hell happened here? Fresh Prince. We had Armstead and Buckner and Epcom and Bosa and he's gonna get back there.

It's like, well, Nick's still here, but where did everybody else go? Right, right, true. Especially on the interior, it's just so brutal. I mean, if they could find a way to get Mason Graham, they would be so happy about that. But I do think Walter Nolan is their type, someone that can move really well.

Saul's gonna come in and wanna do those stunts and the twists and games and all that stuff. And Nolan is so disruptive in that way, just because he just gets such good leverage and love his get off. You know, a lot of potential for him to develop more moveset, but I think they're pretty zeroed in on him personally. And I like Nolan, he's currently 16th on my board,

so I'm comfortable doing that here. He's pretty high for me. Oh, he's 22 for me on my board, but I'm comfortable doing that here. He's pretty high for me. Oh, he's 22 for me on my board, but I can understand the fit here. So, all right, so you're going Walter Nolan? Yeah, I'm gonna go Walter Nolan. Thoughts on offensive line as well. I feel like it's gotta basically be

offensive line or defensive line, right? We're doing team top 100s over PFF, which we'll probably be releasing within the next week or so. I was pretty shocked at how many needs that 49ers have, given how we have talked about this roster over the last two to three years, where you basically just go, yep, this is one of the best rosters in the NFL. And now you're like, oh, they're not anymore.

Very quickly they're not. And they haven't even paid Brock yet. Yeah, and Shanahan's always been like, we need trenches. We need to build through the trenches especially. So I've seen a lot of people go corner for them and I just, I don't think that's even on their radar because that's like a position group that they're okay at, frankly.

They've got even even though They lost Ward You know, they just locked they you know, Lenore just got a huge contract Renardo green and then I mean They it's not that they don't need it. But you know, Trey Brown can play a little bit I just think you look at that defensive line. It's it's like bad. Yeah and An offensive line too. They definitely need a long term replacement for Trent and a left guard at least. So. All right. Walter Nolan at 11. Cowboys at 12. Connor what are you thinking?

So Ted's gone. Obviously he would have been really interesting for them. I still like running back on day two with his team. So it's not a big deal. Gent is gone. I'd kind of rather get back to the Dallas Wink. He building the offensive line. Like I'm, I'm very comfortable with taking Kelvin Banks in this spot and seeing where he fits in on this line.

That's I have no problem going that route. If like, what are the other options to you, Trevor, personally? I think John Campbell should be a legit option for this team still. I understand that they made moves at linebacker. They traded for Kenneth Murray. They brought in Jack Sanborn, but I think those are moves that make the Dallas Cowboys feel good about themselves at that level. Right.

Jod Campbell is head and shoulders above all of those linebackers that I just named. And in theory, if you get Demarvian Overshone back and he's able to get past that bad knee injury, you got Overshone and you got Sanborn and you have Campbell. I mean, like, that's a really nice trio of linebackers that you have there at the second level. So I would think about John Campbell here, but I agree with you. To me, Banks is the front runner because he could play guard for you. He could play tackle for you. And it really would allow you to solve the problem of getting the best five offensive

linemen out there and in a format that you would feel pretty good about. So that's, I would also go with banks here. Okay. Lock it in. All right. Thanks off the board. I love how the Cowboys spent their whole off season getting all these like failed first round picks, but the one good move they made was like somehow bringing Jack Zamborn in for nothing. Like he just was sitting out there. It's like, wow, that was actually a really nice move amidst all these you know flashy Bus that you traded for I agree. I agree. I agree. You're up with the Dolphins at 13 now All right dolphins man those last two picks are tough to see for the Dolphins because those are

Definitely some positions they would want It's like is it too early to think about Grey's able if this is new really for the table. Yeah, that's the motto. That's the motto of the show. He just sends up six picks earlier. Every Bach draft. He's going to be the number one overall pick by the time draft week is here.

Patriots at four. Can't more to sitting there in the draft room. Wait, the Titans took Grey's Abel. It's like they told me they were going to take him in the second round. They somehow go to a live feed of Grey's Abel and he's like eight buffalo wings deep, you know. He hasn't left the B-Dubs yet. Yeah, right. I was going to go home after the first 10 picks to get my phone call.

How did this happen? Jeez. I mean, I would love to trade down. I don't know if that's in play. Will Johnson's sitting there. That's not a bad option. This is a bad option. This is a tough one.

Anybody trading up for anything though? I don't think there's like a super alluring prospect here for you, you know? Right. I guess maybe this wouldn't really be their MO, but the Bucks trading up for Jihad Campbell, because the Colts could draft him, the Falcons could draft him. I guess the Cardinals could draft him. The Cardinals could, the Bengals could, they're not going to. The Seahawks...

I mean... Probably won't. They like him as a... I would think that they would like him as a prospect, but they probably wouldn't either. But that would be my one trade-up spot is the Bucks actually trading up. Jason Light doesn't do it often because he loves his draft picks, but... You know what? I'm taking gray's able There it is. We're doing it Wow because Wow, I think he's perfect for their blocking scheme. They love athletes he is so good on the move and the more I talk about it like Yes, five picks earlier than I'd prefer to take them, but there's other teams that need guards.

And Tyler Booker's not going to be in play for them because he can't move. So I'm just doing it. I don't care. I know that's probably not what they're going to do, but I think it's the right pick for them if the board falls this way. Good thing it's not what they would do Mautraff. Good thing it's what you would do Mautraff. All the pressure is on me now. You better be good at a North Dakota state culture up at 14.

We think in here, Connor. Loveland's in play. You mentioned Campbell. He's in play. I definitely think Loveland's in play. Yeah, it's hard. It's hard to not picture one of Tyler Warren or Colson Loveland's in play. Yeah, it's hard. It's hard to not picture one of Tyler Warren or Colson Loveland in this offense. It's just so seamless. Yeah, they could go Campbell

because they don't have EJ Speed anymore. I mean, I guess they could go edge rusher, but I don't think they will. I think this pick really does come down to Jod Campbell or Colson Loveland. I don't know. I would take Loveland for them. I Would too. Okay, let me Make sure cuz like we sometimes do corner here

But that's more of in my opinion like a luxury if they really want to upgrade Yeah, I got some young guys at corner that they probably still believe in you know You could draft Malachi Starks and think that you've got an incredible safety duo with Cam Bynum and him. Yeah. I think Nick Cross is coming along. They'll just roll across and they can draft a lighter guy. I think Cross is fine, you know?

I don't think they have to pick Malachi Starks. Cross is probably only like 22 years old still. He was like crazy young coming out. Let's see. Are we good on temples injury by the way? Is that something that Oh yeah, he's shoulder injury.

Yeah, I know there's some stuff floating around out there that could cause him to fall. I feel like I'll know closer to the draft. Yeah, where that really lands. I mean, the good thing is that playing linebacker, you don't really have to use your shoulder. No, you just run around. Your hands, right? The good thing is the linebacker you don't really have to use your shoulder. No, you just run around. Use your hands, right?

The good thing is the linebacker. Just cut his arm off. Yeah. Close enough. Welcome back, Brian Cushing. Yeah, linebacker with one arm. Just cut off his arm, still play. Trev, I go Loveland here.

Yeah, me too. Yeah, me too. Loveland to the Colts at 14. Falcons at 15. What do we do with Marcus? Will Johnson looks pretty good here for them. He'd be excellent. At this point, I understand the D-line need, but at this point it's becoming a, you know, got to stop the fall at some point. He's my number 10 player. You know, James Pierce Jr. I do still like him.

It's just, you know, a lot of the, a lot of noise off the field. So it's just hard to know exactly what to put into all that. One player that I'm not as high on that I will at least discuss here for them is Shamar Stewart because and now I'm questioning myself with those the Shamar is on that D line if I said the wrong last name. Yeah, Shamar Stewart, not Shamar Turner. Yeah, you got Shamar Stewart. I do that all the time. Yeah, it's tough. But I think that, oh my god, another name issue here, the head coach, Raheem Morris.

Oh, Raheem Morris, yeah. Yeah, I think he looks at what they did with his old defense with the Rams last year with all the stunts and with Jared verse coming in, that power rush that can just compress the pocket and just loop everybody around them. They bring in guys like Morgan Fox and Leonard Floyd that are very much that like, you know, we're bringing you in to run stunts

They don't really have that like power rushing piece that can really open all that up So I actually do kind of like Shamar Stewart for them as a fit even if it's early But I think it's a great point that you brought up. I think it's a good discussion point. I do think Will Johnson's just too good of a player for me to not take here. And my pro comp is AJ Terrell. So-

This is funny how that works. Two AJ Terrells. Lock them in. I think, yeah, I think that they would sign up for that, you know, given how much they struggled against the passing game last year. So, all right, Will Johnson going to the Atlanta Falcons. At number 15, Connor were up at 16, Cardinals.

I would have loved him here. That would have been nice. But that's how life goes. I mean. I know it's tricky, this one. I know it's tricky this one. I don't I'm in the edge group when the top two corners are obviously gone. I don't really want to take an offensive lineman here. I'll wait on that for day two because I think they can get an interior player on day two. I like tricky for them. This is tricky.

I like Campbell for them. I like Campbell for them. And he can give you a little everything. Campbell or Kenneth Grant. Because I understand that when you look at the depth chart right now, you go, okay, well, they gave Dalvin Tomlinson a pretty penny to come over and play nose for them. And they brought back Kaleus Campbell.

That's cool. That's one year. They're both over the age of 30, you know? Right. And without those two guys, they're getting older. There's really nobody behind them to be able to play that spot. I will say, I know we said Josh Simmons isn't going top 20, but if they do, that would probably be the spot because they did hire Ohio State's old line coach. And they have-

Oh, did they really? I didn't even know that. So he'd be comfortable with them, or you'd know if he was comfortable with them. Yeah, and Jonah Williams. Last year, you know. Decent band-aid for a year, so you'd have time. Man. No, I definitely lean with a front seven player.

Me too, I think I go Grant with a front seven player. Me too. I think I go Grant. Yeah, me too. I think that's a good long term plan. And man, your rotation is nuts with those guys. Like this front looks totally remade that way. Yeah. Yep. Yeah, Kenneth Grant, I think is the best choice here.

And Grant runs hot and cold as a pass rusher Maybe this this eliminates that as he transitions into the league Yeah, having veterans in front of him where it's a little bit just a better transition All right, we're going can't grant 16 to the Cardinals I'll give you an extra minute Marcus to think about what you're gonna do here for the Cincinnati Bengals as I talked to all The parents out there and I asked him what their child's future success looks like for them. Maybe it's them owning their own business, maybe it's them traveling the world,

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for the Cincinnati Bengals, Marcus? I was thinking D-line. I think we play both ways, it's fine. No, I wouldn't hate Booker on the Bengals, but I don't think I'm going to take that here. I'm going to go defense for them and D-line. I was just looking at my board, the two guys in play for me, one on the edge, James Pierce Jr. Really like the tape. I think he wins every different way. I think he's got underrated power. He's got the speed, obviously, good inside counters. It's just off-field stuff. At the combine, man, the way he... No, no, no, no, no. I was gonna say the way he goes like zero to 30.

Like not even like zero to 60, which the zero to 60 is also impressive, but like he is at full speed in two steps. It is when he was doing the on the field drills, it was eye popping to me how fast this dude gets off the ball. It's crazy to me how quick he is. I'm really glad to hear you saw that.

I haven't gone in to watch. I still have it like, I almost just said Tivoed. That dates me a little bit. I have it recorded to get through the on-field workouts. But obviously. That's good. That's good stuff. Yeah, that's a throwback. But I know there's some questions about his explosiveness because he had like 31 inch vertical.

Very odd. Yeah, I do not question that at all whatsoever. If you look, man, if you're taking into account the vertical jump more than the two years of tape that we saw and the on field drills that we saw, I can't help you. Yeah, I'm admittedly I'm scared of him, but for different reasons. But hold on, hold on. Are you scared of him because you don't think he's explosive? No, I think he's explosive.

I think that he likes to it's a little bit of the Dallas Turner situation where he just loves to convert speed to power. Although I just don't think his body will convert speed to power as much as we hope for at the next level. That's totally fair. I was just saying more of like, anybody who's like, ah, you know, I don't really think James Pierce is explosive. I'd be like, all right, I don't know. No, yeah, no, I'm not looking at a vertical jump on a spreadsheet and writing them off. That's ridiculous. Yeah, I do think I think he's really good with his arms to corner. He can threaten that way. I think he puts the fear of that bull ridiculous. Yeah, I do think he's really good with his arms to corner.

He can threaten that way. I think he puts the fear of that bowl rush into guys, but he's really good at understanding the other ways he can win. Inside counters, outside counters, bowl rush. He doesn't over complicate his pass rush, but I do think he mixes things up in a good way. So I definitely think he's worth it here.

I'm gonna do it. I'm going to take him over. All right. Harmon, who I do have a higher grade on Pierce than Harmon, but both those guys would be who I'm I would be really considering here. Stay true to the board. I like it. See, and if there are any like off field rumblings with him, the Bengals are a team that hasn't cared cared too much about that sometimes it helps them sometimes it doesn't it's true it's true see Oxford 18 what are we doing Connor man I'd you're mad I took sable aren't you yeah I am mad you took of course yeah of course we are we're pissed I am definitely mad you took sable You know what was interesting is

Mike McDonald talked about wanting to get more competition at corner. Now I don't think that means they're drafting a corner in the first round. But I just wanna say, I thought that was very interesting because when I had to look, and I guess I don't know if it was just corner or if it was the overall secondary. I can't remember what the exact quote was. But in theory, they have Josh Job, they have Rick Wolin, they

have the Bond Witherspoon, they have Nehemiah appreciated at least as a backup there for them. They have Kobe Bryant, they have Julian love, like, they got a pretty solidified secondary. And yet, Mike McDonald was like, yeah, we're always trying to get competition in the secondary. And it wasn't as much of like coach speak as I thought. Baltimore was like that too, where he came from. So I wonder if because I think Job's going into last year of his contract this upcoming year I wonder if they will legitimately do they have

extra picks? One's a little hot and cold yeah they have a second they have the DK Metcalf second rounder. Yes I am starting to think that one of those second round picks oh they have two third round picks as well. Yeah. Oh they're coming out of, they're absolutely 100% drafting a corner in the top 100. Absolutely, within their top 100. Or they'll do what they do and they'll take Zai Alexander, not Zai Alexander, they'll take, hold on.

Gary Porter, is that who you're talking about? No, the UTSA corner, I just wrote him up. Oh yeah, Zah Frazier? I just wrote him up. Oh, yeah, give me to your I just watched him today They'll take Zoffrazier six three four three wheels Just like a scary six picks. They'll just pick Darien Porter. Yeah discount Four rounds on the fifth round or whatever ends up being amazing it ends up being amazing. Now, Darian Porter, day two is a great call for the Seahawks.

Yeah. To happen in real life. Donovan Jackson, or is it way too bad? Are the receivers not in play for you guys here? No, not for me. I don't like Golden as much as I think the rest of the world does. Okay. I like a Mecca a lot, but they don't need golden as much as I don't I think the rest of the world does okay I like a Mecca a lot, but they have they don't they don't need a Mecca. That's not a problem

And burdens not if Ted was at 18 cool if Ted was at 18. I'd jump for joy I would say I would take yeah, I would take Donovan here and be Completely fine with it You just like they have to walk out of that top 100 in my opinion with two interior offensive linemen or Sam Darnold is gonna melt. It's non-negotiable. Yeah.

You're talking about Donovan Jackson? Yeah. Yes. I'm not as high on him. I think he's, no, I- Is that an exciting pick at 18, I get that. Yeah, cause should we take a step back here and like are we just forcing the need? Which again, I think this year is worse than basically every year over the last five years of teams pigeonholing themselves into certain picks.

The Seahawks must draft in interior offensive lineman, probably multiple or they're screwed. The Raiders have to draft a corner, even so much that we obviously had the conversation about doing it at number six. The Titans quite literally cannot do anything other than draft Cam Ward at number one. The Browns did nothing at quarterback. The Giants barely did anything to sort of get them to the starting line to start the seat. I feel as though this draft, the league as a whole did a worse job

setting themselves up for BPA than I can remember in a while. Yeah. I think Seattle is one of those picks. I think because in reality, I don't think that we should be considering Donovan Jackson here. Well, then what would you want to do would be my question. Well, then what would you want to do would be my question. If you think Simmons could potentially play guard, I'd think about it. I don't.

And that anchor? Oof, no. No way. That's fair. No way. I'd be really surprised. I don't know, man. I mean, you could go true.

Well, Trevor, I mean, you like Bird and a lot are like, would you take Bird in here and play him on the outside? Didn't they give a cup a three year extension? Right. Is it a three year deal with actual guarantees? That I don't know. I'll check right now. That would be shocking if there's guarantees beyond this year, like real guarantees. Yeah, that's about a one and a half year deal. And guarantee is for the next two years.

Is it too early for your boy, Jayden Higgins? No, I mean, I'll tell you where I have Higgins right now. You have higher than I do. I do. I have Higgins at 26. It's a tough spot for Seattle because we're just so used to Zable making it here. Yeah, which is actually fun. I enjoy this. No, this is good. This is good. The draft does not go how you expect it to go. I would take a defensive lineman for them,

but they have Nwosu, they just signed a Marcus Lawrence, and then they have Boya Mfe and Derek Hall behind them. Their edge group is loaded. Yeah, they're like two rotations deep. What about a Chedure trade up? To jump Pittsburgh. Yeah. Not nuts.

Like this, you could sell this. Who's trading up? Cleveland. Cleveland? Cleveland. We did that last week. We could still make their pick at 33. You could sell this. Who's trading now? Cleveland? Cleveland? Cleveland? We did that last week. But the thing is that we just went over this.

Seattle doesn't need more picks. They have two second round picks, two third round picks. Yeah, but if you're going to reach anyway. They have two fifth round picks. Just do it. They have two seventh round picks. Always take the picks. They don't have enough roster spots for their draft picks at this point.

If Seattle's making a trade, they've got to make a trade for next year's draft as They don't have enough roster spots for their draft picks at this point. If Seattle's making a trade, they've got to make a trade for next year's draft assets, which they could, I'm not saying they can't, do with some mental gymnastics over here. It's a tough spot. This is a very tough spot. What did I identify in the top 100? Because I just did Seattle's. Yeah, zone center, zone guard, and X wide receivers.

There are three primary needs that I have here. Am I nuts for just taking Malachi's Starks here and not caring? Because he loved three safety stuff in that defense. Because he could just play anywhere in your secondary and he's that talented. He could place a lot for you, which you could kick Devon with a spoon outside if you wanted to He could play safety for you. I Guess that's the argument Trevor what you just said like all the fun stuff they do they do with spoon and That you might want to do with Starks

But you'd rather yeah, I mean you'd love to have multiple players. You could do that. And spoon can play any corner spot. Starks can play any safety alignment. All right, let's take Starks. Let's just take Starks. It's better than just running back the first round guard pick. I'm extremely curious as to what Seattle Seahawks has.

Please, get in the comments. What would you do here? What would you do here with this exact board the way that it is? These guys are totally off the board. We're not trying to reach for an offensive guard just because we want to. We're not trying to reach for a center, especially when you have picks 50 and 52 coming up in the second round. What are you doing here? What does best player available look like for you? Is it Luther Burden?

Is it Jihad Campbell? Is it Jihad Abairin? Malachi Starks? You tell us. Is it Jayden Higgins? We're going to take Malachi Starks, but I'm very curious. And I think a lot of people will say Tyler Booker, but I think we probably all are thinking wide zone blocking is not a fit for that.

No, not a chance in hell. No, absolutely not. Man. Yeah. If this team takes Tyler Booker, it's malpractice. It'd be extremely. Yeah. It's like creating a roadblock in your entire run game. Like you can't, you just can't, if you're going to, especially, I mean, they're a Kubiak system, like they're not, they're not going to pivot off of what they want to do. So, uh, Kubiak ran Kubiak, Kubiak, I believe ran the least amount of man slash gap run blocking

concepts last year at 22.3%. Wow. It's crazy. All right. Well, this one's we can make up for lost time and you can just slide that, John Campbell just slide that in. I mean, yeah, it's so nice. It's such a nice fit. Yeah. If he is on the board at 19, I don't really know that many other prospects that would be ranked ahead of him that they would pick. The NFL will have to pay the bucks to use more of the clock and run a commercial break

because they're going to have the card in so quickly. It's very true. You're gonna get cap relief for adding time to the draft. It's actually not bad. It's not a bad thought process. Okay, Jihad Campbell with bucks. It obviously makes so much sense. They were one of the worst linebacker rooms

in the NFL last year and that was with Levante David who was fine. Um, yeah, so this is an easy home run pick Broncos at 20. Hampton or burden. I know you like burden a lot. How many picks does Denver have? I think two picks, second, third, fourth. Yeah. I know you like burden a lot. How many picks does Denver have?

I think two picks. On the first, second, third, fourth. Yeah. Okay. So they have a lot of their regular stuff. I do like the idea of them getting ahead of defensive line on the interior defensive line, but a lot of those guys are gone in this. Well, and they could do that on day two for what they need. Right, that's what I'm saying.

Like a lot of the guys that you would pick here at 20 are not there. I pick burden. of the guys that you would pick here at 20 are not there. I'd pick Burden over Hampton. Interesting. I would have it the other way, but I do like the value of wide receiver better here.

So let's go Burden. Just depends how special you think Amarion Hampton is. Yep. And how much you believe burden gets back to 2023 and not what we saw this year. And I think he does. I genuinely think that burden could be a really special wide receiver at the NFL level. There's no denying. Where are you on the burden?

He's still a top 20 player for me. I still really like him. I don't really understand. He's actually eighth on my big board. Like I'm a huge fan. I think he's very similar to DJ Moore. I don't really understand why he's falling so much. I don't really. You can do everything with him.

I think his ball skills are really good. Reminds me a little bit of like everybody questioned like Malik neighbors ball skills last year and I'm like what tape were you watching? Yeah Feel that way about Luther Vernon Might have been the middle school tape, you know, you just go back Yeah, like see if he's got a drop issue going all the way back to middle school. Yeah I'm gonna take I'm annoyed as I'm annoyed as hell as the Packers if you take burden here. I'll say that Oh good. Good. Good. Good. We need to I'm annoyed as hell as the Packers if you take Burton here I'll say that oh good good good good We need to we need to make as a resident Packers fan

We're trying to make the Packers pick as challenging for you as possible so you can understand I want to see where that mental hell in a cell that we go that we get that we go through every time 23 comes On the clock. I'm taking Burton here. I think he's immediately wide receiver to on this team He could absolutely be wide receiver one as soon as the year after I think that this dude's unbelievably talented So I'm taking burden here Steelers 21 Yeah, we got to have a conversation, yeah, I'm gonna assume Rogers is my quarterback for now You know, he's out there

Throwing slants to DK Metcalf in California right now, so I think that's only a matter of time. I like to think the Steelers will say, hey, just let us know before the draft, please, if you're going to play for us or not. So I'm going to operate that way here. Obviously if he decides to retire in the next two weeks, you don't really have a choice here. You got to take a quarterback.

Damn, now I didn't even think of that option still being on the table for Rodgers. Him just going, nope. I'm good. F you. I don't think he's gonna do it. I don't think you will either. Yeah.

Personally, I just don't think he's the quarterback I wanna like draft and stash. I just feel pretty good about who he is. I think he's a solid player. It's not even like this is a huge reach or anything. I think he's 20... 24th on my big board at this point so it's like it's fine. But I just don't think he's the guy that I like need to sit and develop and like have this long-term plan for. I would rather if I'm signing Rodgers get a win now piece and try to go for it. So

I'm just not personally taking Shadoor even if they would Ameca Bucca stands out to me. Amarion Hampton stands out to me and Derek Harmon stands out to me as options for them. Oh, yeah are the three. Yeah, it's a good call all around. Knows ball. He knows me best. Yes, he does. Knows ball test. So who's going to help us win the most this year? Well, I'm going to go Derek Harman.

I think he helps now because they can come out and, you know, three man odd fronts. They can have a concert rotation of the D line there But it's also like he's exactly their type to me that kind of athletic four-eye piece Yeah, I'm gonna do it I just was thinking about a Marion Hampton and that run game with Arthur Smith I think you can go I think you can get running backs later. That'll help them. You're I think you could target like a Caleb Johnson the Wait, wait, wait, they don't have their second. They don't have their second. Did you already punch it in right?

No, I did not punch it in that changes this actually. Yeah, cuz they don't pick now until 83 Yeah, so actually okay Because they don't have their second, I'm gonna take Hampton. Okay. Yeah. Curveball folks. I do think, yeah, I do think a running back getting plugged into that offense. Rodgers has talked to about like, I want to go somewhere that's gonna have a run, you know, a run running game. Damn, or Bruce Hosslander. They just, they weren't a good run game. No, they were not, they have an offensive line you like and some players you like, but they just they could not run the ball.

Not consistently. All right. So you're going Hampton? Going Hampton, going Hampton, going Hampton, going Hampton folks. Well then charges 22. We probably take Carmen here, right? Trevor? Definitely could.

Yeah, we definitely could. It would be between him or the next three edge rushers for me and Shamar, Skorin, and Ezraku. Those are the four players that would be in play here for me. Hmm. All right, who did you say? Harman and then the next three edge players for me. Score and Shamar Stewart as Araku.

I'm disappointed Trevor hasn't come in pounding the table for Jade Baron. We set it up like we were going to duke it out and you haven't brought up his name once. Well the teams in which I think we had corner needs on the board. Yeah. Yeah. Like Arizona, like Arizona, for example, was one of those where it's like, okay, you could, you could upgrade corner if you pick one in the first round. I think Jadah Baron is great, but like for the Cardinals specifically, a lot of the allure of Jadah Baron is getting him as sort of like somebody who could play a lot of different

spots for you. The Cardinals don't need that. The Cardinals need one guy who's really good at playing outside corner. So they're more of a Will Johnson team. I think the Colts would be great for Joday Baron, but we didn't really consider corner there. We went with Colts and Loveland instead.

I think the Joday Baron would be perfect for the San Francisco 49ers. But again, we talked about how their cornerback room is fine. And they desperately need to trench help on both sides of the ball. So then you're kind of looking at like. Yeah, no, I agree.

It gets tough. Maybe the Saints and maybe the Raiders. But again, like that's a little early even for me. And I like Baron. So we'll get them off the board here eventually. Don't worry. Don't worry about it. Don't worry about it.

We'll have the conversation have you had any lean on four of the players I mentioned for the Chargers Simon like I gave you one. He's thinking about something. I gave you a four. Yeah, they're all bad. No, I'm just kidding. Um, I think I would be leaning Derek Harmon here. Yeah, that's what I figured interior. I just... Like Emeka Buka over all of them? Yeah, but you have... You got Ladd. They have Ladd there. Yeah, but what they do with Ladd doesn't impede emeka buka from being wide receiver what one or two immediately

Like lad is great. But you wait, are you telling me you don't think that a world can exist where a mecha buka and lad McConkey are on the same team. No it can but not with a first-round pick You know what I mean? Like I would be that's not how I would build a wide receiver room with priority assets. They have a lot of picks, so it's, so like I can totally understand them not going that direction, but I don't have any faith

in the other wide receivers that they have on the roster. That's fair. And they don't have any real tight ends to lean on. So no, they don't. Egg Buka is immediately a 100 plus target player for them. He is. Next year, you know? He is without it.

I mean, you don't talk me into a Buka. He's my second wide receiver. It's more of that. I think they can find lads running mate on day two while taking one of the best front four players in the draft here. You know how I feel about wide receiver. I think that wide receiver is much easier to obtain talent every year than I think. That's my thought.

We make it out to be. But I do think that this passing attack gets exponentially better with Ibuca. But I like Harmon. I like the I like the other interior defensive linemen. Obviously they've already gone off the board for a reason, but Walter Nolan, Kenneth Grant, I think that those guys are a little bit more of maybe what the charges are looking for

with being a little bit better in run defense. But Harmon's still a really good player. We could definitely go to Eric Harmon here. I'm totally fine with that. Alright, the big moment, Marcus. This is my moment to shine. Package of 23. This is actually really easy for me. It's Matthew Golden.

Because I really like Matthew Golden, for one. I think I am higher on Golden than the way you guys have been kind of talking about him. I was going to say, another wide receiver too, just what they love to do. Well, that's mean. How many can we collect? I think, I mean, I think Matthew Golden can do, I don't think he's gonna be like an elite guy, I don't. I agree that like the 429 speed doesn't really show

on tape and all that, but I almost feel like there's been almost an overcorrection a little bit for that, where it's like, okay, but I was really comfortable with him when I thought he was a 4-4 guy. It's nice to know that there's a 429 in there somewhere. I think the way he accelerates, decelerates the route running, the release, I think even if he's a little bit slighter, he attacks the ball like comes down with tough catches I see a lot of traits of a number one wide receiver someone like a Stefan digs like shades of Devante Adams Who knows if he can become that good? But I think there is potential for him to get there. But if nothing else

my low-end comp on him is like a Romeo Dobbs and I am terrified. This is my thing with the Packers. If I'm running this team, I'm operating as, okay, Jayden Reed is one of three of our starters. I like Wicks as a wide receiver four. If he's more than that, that's great. You cannot count on Don Tavion Wicks,

whose drop percentage was 19% last year. He dropped one out of five targets last year. Horrible to do. Horrendous, yeah. Like, you can't view him as a starter next year. If he improves it, great. We're popping champagne, because the route running's in there.

I mean, Watson might as well not be on the team, not to be mean, but like but he's not gonna play next year and then he's a free agent. If he plays, it'll be the last month of the year coming off an ACL for a guy that has never been able to stay healthy anyway. So I'm not operating with him on the team. And Romeo Dobbs, I don't know if you guys saw

the Eagles playoff game, but he's a concussion away from potential forced retirement. So to me, wide receiver is a huge need until they figure out what they're doing with Jair Alexander. Brian Gudekund said at the owners deal in Miami or wherever they have that they're like he didn't rule out Jair coming back basically. He's like we're trying to work it out. The longer this goes on I think the more likely it is Jair coming back basically. He's like we're trying to work it out the longer this goes on I think the more likely it is Jair just plays for them Because they're all they do all they do by getting rid of them is create a huge hole and not save that much money

so For me wide receiver is the biggest need which is listed there on on PFF. Good job, Trevor I Honestly get a little bothered with the edge picks I understand it but I just don't think that's a gaping problem. Lucas Van Ness was always gonna be a project going into year three for him. They have some depth pieces you know guys like geez what's his name Out of Texas A&M, Mississippi State? Oh, are you talking about Kingsley and Ibarre?

Kingsley, yeah, Kingsley plays well as a three. Obviously, Gary, you've invested so much in that group. I just, I get why you go D-line for them. I just, for me, I'd much rather just look at day two for the D-line group. Anyway, it's got to be wide receiver for me. And I love the way Golden plugs in as a separator, does a lot of stuff that Jaden Reid can't do for you. If he can run a 429 at the next level and do some of the vertical

stuff that they ask the Christian Watson role to do, that's great. But I think he absolutely plugs in as your outside role too. All right. Sorry if I took too much time there. No, that was perfect. No, that was perfect. I was gonna say, you know, as far as number 23 overall picks go here on this podcast, that was pretty good. That was pretty nuts. So I like it. Vikings at 24.

Trade down time? Giants? Giants give them 34 and 65. Go up and get Shudur. Did we trade down for the Vikings last time though? I think we did but we can- Let's stay and make the pick. I was gonna say but if we trade down then we could actually make the pick for them. I want to make the pick here.

Okay, all right. This man's convicted. Yeah, I have conviction here. You tell me, brother. Well, what's interesting here is I know people are like, if you're going to go D.B., why wouldn't you take Baron? I would actually take Savon Reville in this spot for them and get an outside corner with size and speed and ball skills that could challenge where it would be like. So it'd be Isaiah Rogers.

And then Reville, assuming a cross from him with Byron Murphy in the slot. That's how I would attack this pick. And I think Rebel can be really, really good. I thought before he got hurt in September, I thought he was on track to be a top 15 pick. My only, and look, if we end up, look, you, I don't want to take away the conviction that you have with the pick here. My pushback would be Flores likes to be aggressive in everything that he does for sure. And they will play press, but they played zone a good amount last year and they played

off coverage a lot last year because they didn't have the horses. They played more off so that they could get more aggressive up front. And if you're playing a corner who is playing an off, I would tell you that Baron is better at it. That's fair. It'll depend on what he wants to do. I thought he was doing that because he was just maximizing

the situation they were in and trying to get, he, that group punched above their weight in terms of what they had. Maybe it was, cause who was the cornerback group last year? It was, um, Gilmore. They couldn't run man coverage cause Gilmore couldn't run press because Gilmore can't run. He couldn't, they couldn't run cover one with Gilmore out there at this point.

That's why I got to look at Revolve. All right. That's fine. If you think that they're, if you think that they're going to, they'd flip it because they didn't have the, the assets to do it, then I, yes, I would tell you that Revolve is probably the better selection. Yep. So, all right, That's fine. If you think that they're if you think that they're gonna they flip it because they didn't have the Assets to do it then I yes, I would tell you that revels probably the better selection. Yep. So alright we do it Revolts, I I agree. That's that's the right pick for them. You can make it. I Visiting them by the way, not that it matters. Yeah, just saying it's like they're interesting I do know as a resident Minnesotan

I know what every single Vikings fan is saying right now and it's oh my god another first round corner with injury issues They've had so many of these guys and none of them have hit that it's like PTSD Damn, you made me you made me click the button before You said that? Yeah, but I I think I think It's the right pick. I think that Flores has been wanting that number one corner so he can do more of the stuff he likes for a long time.

So you're up, oh, before you get to 25, I actually gotta pay the bills really quick. So you have extra time to think about who you're gonna take here at number 25 for the Texans, which is not another team that's kind of limited in picks, which maybe you could trade back with the Browns or the Giants if you see shooters on the board. But just something to think about. As I tell people, the NFL SE's draft coverage

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The commanders had Miami's third and Then traded it back. Okay, so they picked up a third this year So then they gave a fourth, they did like a pick swap or something. Yeah, they have a first, second, and then two thirds now because they have their original third round pick and then they have that earlier pick in the third round. So they don't need to trade back.

It's a little risky, but there's like a handful of players that I do like from here. Like, I love the Agbuka fit, I do. Like when you have a quarterback like Stroud and you have Nico Collins, that's a role that, as you guys have kind of said earlier, like you can find a player, even if you do miss out on Agbuka.

So I'm comfortable moving down and not taking him there. I like Simmons, I like Booker if he's there, I like Connerly if he's there in a trade down. And none of those are like screaming to me, other than Josh Simmons, but it is tough with the injury stuff. So I would be comfortable doing the trade down. All right, with the Giants, you want to do with the Giants I

Like the Giants or if I could get I like getting Tibbido in here. I do oh as a third edge Kind of develop them a little bit Okay, I think he's fun in that group Daniel Hunter is what 30 something years old probably group. Daniel Hunter is what 30 something years old probably. Yeah still still doing it though. Oh man he's only 30. That's crazy he was so young when he came into the league. So so 34 in Tibbs for 25. Yeah and maybe you got to throw like one of those picks you got in the commander's trade like a fourth back maybe

Won't that be like 166? 166 a fifth round pick so yeah, you could throw that in there Yeah, like a Cuz remember Giants fans you already got a dual Carter right so now you're getting to trade up and drafts your door Yeah, yeah, yeah work I So now you're getting to trade up and draft Shador. Yeah yeah. Does it work? I like it. Cool with it?

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If we remember the Los Angeles Rams here, number 26, they do have a corner need, and I actually think Jodey Barron's a perfect fit. Yeah. Do you see anyone else who hammered Jalen Walker? It's oh, yeah, Jalen Walker. Yeah, I like both of them in this spot for them. This would be such a win for the Rams of one of the two players make it to the. I obviously have Jodey Bar Baron ranked much higher than I do. Jail. I'd take Baron. That's fine. I think he's, I think he's perfect for them. They think so too. The Rams played

the Rams played zone coverage 60% of the time last year, played a lot of press, but also played a lot of off. They've been both of those things. And they're also extremely versatile this is a team that had a good amount of snaps not only at nickel but also dime there's a lot of teams that basically base themselves out of nickel but when you have a significant amount of snaps at dime that tells me that you really want to get more speed on the field Jaday Baron gives you so much versatility when you have even more defensive backs on the field dependent on where you want to

play him so to me I think Barron's a perfect scheme fit for what the Rams are gonna do if they're gonna target anybody in the secondary. So we're taking him here. Marcus, this is now your opportunity to tell the people why you're wrong about Jaday Barron. Well, this is definitely a range where I'd start to think about him.

I just have a clean second round grade on Jed A Barron. For me, going into watch his outside corner tape, I was expecting Trent McDuffie, and I just think he's so much stiffer than that. I think you see a lot of the top down zone stuff, all these colleges are running a lot of it. I expected that snappy, click and close from a shorter corner with slot background.

I just, I didn't think he did a good job taking that stuff away. I thought he was tighter in the hips and slower in the feet than I was expecting. I think he looks to catch guys at that 10 yard area and he gets beat on deep posts. I think he's just not that great in space compared to what I was expecting.

And then the man stuff, I actually didn't like as much either. I think he is better in man than zone, personally. And that's not to say he doesn't make plays from zone. I like the instincts and that kind of stuff. But every snap off zone stuff, I was just underwhelmed. But the man stuff, he's good at it, don't get me wrong. I still have a second round great on him, but I think he doesn't trust his feet

because he doesn't have as great feet as you would think, and he grabs a ton. And I think he's gonna get flagged for it more at the next level. So I think he's a good man corner. I just like him as a slot player that's gonna be stuck in the mud, sorting through traffic a little bit more

where he's so physical. But for me, that's more of a second round guy than a first round guy. Connor, I actually don't know how much I've asked you about Baron. Are you in on Baron as a late first prospect, or are you more of a day two guy with Baron? No, a late first rounder, I'm totally fine with Baron.

He'll end up in the early 20s for me. I just don't think he's an elite, like outside corner prospect. I think it's, a lot of people are gonna default to the McDuffie and Cooper DeGene conversations with him. I don't know if he will be this elite outside corner. I have less faith in him as just a pure outside corner than I did, like you brought up Cooper DeGene,

who I also had in my top 10 last year. But I see him differently than Marcus does. I actually really like the off-zone stuff. I do. I think that he plays with a high football IQ. I think that he knows how to bait certain throws. I think he knows how to give wide receivers a certain amount of space.

I think his timing is pretty good when it comes to making contact in and out of breaks to make sure that he's disrupting receivers. Cuz I do agree with you about the stiffness. The lack of fluidity is ultimately why I don't think that he was always an outside corner. So I think that that definitely exists in his game. But the way that I listened to that defensive coaching staff and

just that coaching staff in general talk about him and everything that they have put on his plate and how smart he is, how reliable of a tackler he can be as a inside out player. To me, I think I'm just betting on the versatility for him and thinking, all right, well, maybe he's not always going to be best when he's outside, but I think you're just going to get a damn good football player wherever he is going to end up in your secondary. So I don't always trust people that don't have that surefire home base, but I do think he could play outside and I do think he could play slot and I do think he

could play safety for you. And I just think he's a valuable defensive piece. So especially for the Rams, the Rams, in my opinion, a team that likes to use a lot of different defensive backs. This is a great landing spot for him. Marcus, you're thinking of that, you think of that like star nickel corner position. Yes. Yeah, I love him in that role in that defense. So I think it's a fun fit. And like, yeah, if they take him at 26, I wouldn't even like sit here and be like, Oh, I have a second round great on them. They took him at 26. Like I think that's a that's a safe, easy, good spot for him. So you're up with the Ravens now. Uh, edge. We've got a lot of options here. I think Jalen Walker is the guy that would fit their system,

for sure. I think this is around my conversation, like the range I'm starting to think about him. They've definitely shifted more towards, at least in how they build their front more of a traditional like three four build with more like stand up edge guys and then you know heavier heavier handed defensive end types three four end types so for me like Mikel Williams and Shamar Stewart are a little bit more square peg round hole for that type of system i like more of those guys is like even front you know four man front types so definitely think Jaylen Walker, more boomer bust type of option here, just shorter length, played linebacker in college.

But when he does bowl rush, when he does go to that rip move, Ton of fun, I think there's a lot of potential there. And as he develops, they are very creative in those McDonald types of systems, at sort of finding the mismatch for everybody. And it doesn't really matter what your position is on third down.

They'll just kind of line you up wherever it's best. So in year one, they can create some really advantageous looks for him while he hopefully develops into more of a three down player for him. All right. Jalen Walker to the Ravens at 27. Connor, we're up with the Lions at 28. Kind of love Shamar Stewart in this spot. Bigger edge.

Finally get somebody that can really wreak some havoc across her maiden Hutchinson. I mean, obviously you can make the same argument for as a rock, who obviously a smaller player, though, I think I would take the size that an athleticism that Shamar has in this front four. Yeah, as much as I have a pretty big gap between these two guys, I do think that it's a decent conversation here because again, like we talked about on this show,

if you want to set up the defensive line similarly to the way that you did last year for Hutchinson, where you're basically aligning the other three members of the defensive line in a way where Hutchinson's getting a guaranteed one on one as a wide seven rusher, then you would take Shemar because you would want a bigger body to be able to either condense down a little bit or just be a force on the outside that you wouldn't feel good just one on one blocking. Well, maybe with your left tackle you you would and Aiden's going up against the right tackle.

But I think you would take the size. But if you were looking to actually get more pass rush proficiency out of that spot, you draft Ezraaku. So I really don't know. It's one of these two guys, I think, and he could talk about it, Mechig Buka, or I like El Akayo Manor more than you you do as we talked about in the wide receiver show, but I think he would be a great compliment to the wide receiver room that they already have but I

You think Stewart you think that they would lean into Stewart and just lean into just like a spit in their fronts Yeah, okay. Yep. I think you outlined it really well. I'm cool with this Shamara 28 29 probably makes your life a little easier here Marcus Yep, I think you outlined it really well. I'm cool with this. Shamar, 28. 29. Probably makes your life a little easier here, Marcus. Because of Iguca or what? No, I just think Ezraku would be dynamite for Washington's front. So I'm like a tick lower on Ezraku.

All right, here we go. I think it's fine. Ha ha ha. Ha ha ha. Ha ha ha. The disgust. He has this guy again. I think he's like the 39th player on my board. I don't hate him here.

What is he? He's the what? I think he's like 39th for me. 39th. Clearly it was my idea to have you on the show, Marcus. Trevor invites Bangle. He's undraftable. I invite you.

He's 33rd. He's 33rd. We can relax. Ha ha ha. I just don't know that he's going to be like a one, but that's fine. I'm not able I am 33rd is 33rd we can relax I just don't know these gonna be like a one, but that's fine in the back end of the first if you're swinging for two So what else are you thinking here? I'm curious. What else you obviously don't just go with you know What I think is a layup because there's good edge on the board I was

Kind of thinking of the wide receiver options here between Ibuca and even Jaden Higgins. Yeah. I really like both those players. And I have them both ranked higher than Ezraaku, so that's why I went there. Also, again, love Josh Simmons, like still absolutely considering him here,

it's just tough. Josh Simmons, like, still absolutely considering him here. It's just tough. All those guys offer kind of different pieces, right? I do think with Debo there for now, that's probably gonna be enough to talk me out of Iguca. Just kind of the areas of the field they win there. Man, if you could put Jayden Higgins out there next to Terry, who's getting up there, and Deebo, who I don't think is a long-term option. Is Terry getting up there?

I mean, he's got to be, right? Oh my gosh, he's 29. Because he was drafted. He was an older prospect. Oh my god, he's going to be 30 this year. It's insane how quick it goes. Let's cut him. He's a 24 year old rookie. That's what happens still a great player obviously But I get what you're saying I'm shook

I'm shook. I thought he was 20 like 26 genuinely. I thought he was like 26 27 Yeah, he was he was in college for a long time. Wow took him a while. Yeah, they called doctors. I Think I'm gonna go Jayden Higgins the number 21 player on board sure Man I they they're gonna need some some pieces there Maybe not immediately right now, but it's right down the you know right down the pipeline there I don't know about the depot trade like right down the pipeline there. I don't know about the Debo trade, certainly long term being an option,

but even this year, I thought he looked kind of washed last year, I think there's a reason he was only a fifth round pick. I think a lot of people are really excited about that move, myself included, but there is a reason why the Niners moved on from him. He's basically had one elite year, that's it. Well he's just taking such a beating. Like right. Right. He's a receiver that's been used every

bit as a running back and like if he was a running back we would just be saying like like with Austin Eckler with this team last year it's like oh he's 30 he's done. So I'm worried about that long term. I love the Higgins pick. All right, Jayden Higgins 29 We're up at the bills of 30 Usually this is a sprint the card for me with Ty leak. Oh Yeah, yeah, this is always your boy break break glass in case of Kenneth Grant not being yes. Yes But you could easily argue for Ezraku here. Easily. Yeah, what's their?

They got Joey Bosa on a one year just, you know. Give us what you got at the end here. I think I think I actually would go as a rock here and look for my run plugger on day two. I would, too. Yeah. As, Ezraku almost never makes it. He never does. Literally ever. We've never had this conversation.

What a fun mock draft. Yeah. Marcus, I know this is finally by the way. What's that, Trevor? I said four three front two. Like, this is like it just never happens. That's why we never have the combo. Yeah, Ezraku. What were you saying? I was going to say it. This is like it just never happens. That's why we never have the combo. Yeah. Yeah.

As a rock you. What were you saying? You were gonna say it there. I feel like Marcus finally breaks his. I cannot not take Josh Simmons anymore. Streak here. Oh yeah. No, this is like, we can't let this happen for the chiefs.

Yeah. Like I just, dude, his technique, his feet are, he's so athletic. You mentioned anchor problems earlier. You'll have to shoot me after the show, like where, what games those showed up. Because I'd like to take a- Well, he didn't play any one this year.

Like, that's- That's true. That's the part, yeah, right. I mean, everything you're saying, I have fully aligned with. Josh Simmons is like, it's what you wanna tackle to look and move like across the board.

Yeah. I feel like he- And just the different hand techniques he brings in. It's like even if he has some anchoring issues, like he does the different, like snatch traps and baiting techniques and just the way he can reset with his anchor. Even even if he does lose ground, it's just like he's a machine. So I'm a huge fan. He talked to top 20 prospect for me. But 2023, I thought that he did struggle with power and then or, or 20, well, yeah, 2023 I felt like he struggled with power.

And then this year he really didn't, but he also played the softest part of Ohio state schedule. And so it's like, all right, did he, did he really prove that he got a lot better or was he just playing cupcakes? I, that's just something that you have to think. I am very comfortable still just taking the chance on how good he was this past season. So that's why I got him in the top 20.

I think he'd be an absolute steal for the Chiefs. Yep, I'll do it. Eagles. What are we doing here? A nice pretty red G just staring at Howie right now. There it is. I know, I know. It's of course pretty red G just staring at Howie right now. There it is. I know, I know. It's of course.

Of course. Would they take like Donovan Jackson here? With Bekton gone and let him compete with Steen? Yeah, essentially. I mean, that's not out of the range of outcomes at all. You know, big school guy. That's an option. I think the most fun pick by far is playing a Mecca in the slot.

I know they- He yelled at every time I draft the wide- Same. Same. So I guess we won't do that here. Yeah. I think Donovan Jackson is a really nice fit here. Because I don't think, I mean maybe they would draft Mike L Williams just because it's Mike L Williams, but you know, they have Nolan Smith, they have Jalex Hunt, they have Azizo Jolari, they have Josh Uche, they have Bryce Huff.

They've been preparing for their front to take some losses. Yeah. I think Xavier Watts is fun on this team. Right. Me too. But I don't think they trade CJ Gardner Johnson and then go, oh no, what are we gonna do with safety? Like I gotta think that they love Sidney Brown. That they're very comfortable letting Sidney Brown play safety next to Reed Blanket Chip. Probably. There is a player that hasn't been mentioned Unless you didn't I missed it but Connerly I Suppose if you want your tackle waiting in the wings

Yeah, I will I will never say that Lane Johnson is you know in the twilight of his career I just I won't do it. I can't do it until the day he retires. I just find more PEDs man, right? Good for him. He'sires. I won't find more PDs man. Right. Good for him. He's sick. I think that that's it. I think that is a decent option for them though. No, that's a really good name to bring up. Would you go Jackson or Connerly? I suppose I have Connerly ranked a lot higher. Yeah. I mean you usually take the tackle right. Yeah. Because you're in a unique situation that he could sit. And you know, a little alley-oop, little alley-oop here to end the mock draft, you know, with the guest throwing up Josh Connerly?

Yeah. Yamming it down. Well, we still gotta sneak in the- We almost forgot to do that. The Texans. The Texans thing. It's true. All right, so we're going Josh Connerly here

with the Eagles, but I'm not gonna pick it yet because, so the Browns pick at 33. The Browns took Travis Hunter. I mean, who would we take for them at 33? Tyler Shook? No. Come on. No. No.

Who do we take? Obviously not who they take. Hey, who's pick is it? I'm just saying. Don't. They should take Tyleek. Yeah, Marcus. It's your pick. Who are they picking?

I mean, honestly, I am thinking about Tyler Shook. You would actually take Tyler Shook at 33? He's my QB3. Oh my gosh. I thought this was a bit. No, it's not a bit. Okay. It's still a bit.

For the Browns, Kevin Stefanski's offense. He's fully morphed into it. Yeah. Preferably, I could like trade down and like not have to take them at 33. But they don't have a quarterback yet. Right? Dude, this is your pick. If I'm, if that's me and your jobs are on the line, I'd much rather take Shook than

Dart. I think Shook's much more ready to play right now. Look. I mean, I kind of kinda wanna just do it to like make a point that like I like him in Cleveland if they walk out of this. I can't believe we were one non-giants trade away from not even

getting this conversation. Not exploring this take. You know? Yeah. Yeah. Like I'll just do it. Is that okay if I just do it to like kinda make a point? Do whatever you want. It's a little early but I do have, do I have a true second round grade on him? Let me just check.

Damn. Second to third, him and Dart are like the same grade, second, third round grade. Okay, all right, all right. I think I'm gonna end up with Milro at QB3 just cause I don't, I just, whatever. You know? I think Shook is really good,

other than like 10% of the time when he looks like he's playing scared. He, there's, there are too many reps where I think he's playing scared. And I can understand it with the injury history, right? It's the same thing as everybody. It's Tom Brady when he got old. It's Drew Brees when he got old.

It's Peyton Manning when he got old. And it's Aaron Rodgers when he got old. And it's not just them getting old, it's them getting banged up. They don't want to take hits anymore. That worries me about a rookie coming into the NFL, but it's understandable why you have some of those reps of like he's yeah, shying away from contact or getting out the ball a little bit quicker. But like the arm talent though, he's got to get armed to him. He's got some sick throws.

Yeah. Accuracy, processing, pocket movement. I think it's all really, really good with him. All right, so he's taking Tyler Shuck at 33. He's taking Tyler Shuck at 33. Slash 50 and a trade down. Okay, all right, all right. So, all right, wait. Who are we taking for the Texans?

This is Donovan Jackson? This is Donovan Jackson, yeah. A guy that's played tackle and guard. I like him better at guard. Or Tyler Booker. I would take Jackson. I have Jackson over Booker, but. Do you?

Yeah. Okay. All right. Booker Jackson's got a little bit of guard tackle flexibility to him. A little bit. Yep, a smidge. A little bit of that.

They also could take a Mekka Buka. They could, and that'd be a great pick. That'd be a great pick if you feel like you can figure out your offensive line later on. Want to take a Buka? He's a better player. There's no denying that was me. Houston would then have a second and two thirds. Unless they think Christian Kirk is going to play where they'd play a buka.

I think we should take the O lineman. No, no, no, no, take the better player. Take the better player. Just take the better player. We're taking a buka. All right, there it is. CJ Shroud. Good luck, brother. That's a slam dunk for Houston. Good luck, brother. Chuck that day. Marcus, this was so Good luck, brother. That's a slam dunk for Houston. Good luck, brother. Chuck, that's it.

Marcus, this was so much fun, man. Yeah, man. We really appreciate it. We enjoy linking up with you every single time we have the opportunity to do it. Please go follow Marcus on his YouTube channel. That franchise guy, he's running through a ton of different positional rankings.

And as you heard on this near two hour podcast, he has just got such a great knowledge of these prospects and where they fit. He's formulating his own opinions on them. And, and you see that mock draft format, rankings format, everything. So Marcus, is there anything else that I didn't promote that you're doing over on the channel that I got to promote here? No, you nailed it, man. Thank you guys so much for having me. This was an absolute blast. Glad I could get my, uh,

Tyler shook love in in the end there. So, uh, that's on the record. We came into this like thinking that we were going to spar with some Joday Barron takes and you buried the lead with the Tyler Shuck take, which is, you know, if people stuck around for the entire podcast, there's your reward folks. It's why you listen to the whole show. Uh, make sure you follow Marcus, not just on YouTube, but all of his social media platforms as well. You can follow the show at NFLSDshow on TikTok, Instagram, and Twitter.

You can follow myself and Connor at ConnorJRogersatTamberBaitRey on Twitter and Instagram as well. We're gonna have another episode later in the week for you guys. It'll be something like prospect ranking related. We'll get in. I don't know exactly what it's gonna be, but it'll be something along the same lines as it was last week. All right, well, for Marcus Whitman, for Connor Rogers, I'm Trevor Stegma saying thank you guys so much

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