NFL Stock Exchange: An NFL Draft Podcast - Early 2026 NFL Draft TE Rankings

Episode Date: January 8, 2026

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The pounders, so I don't hate Amari Washington. They need linebacker for sure, though. If you're into C.J. Allen, he'd definitely be next up. They might have a big guard need. All right, let's go. Let's go cash you out. I've seen this playbook from Trev 30,000 times in my life. Breaks down one position group for 10 minutes, takes a different position group in the next 20 seconds.

Because I think, okay, first of all, don't act like you know me. You got David Bailey. You got Ruben Bain. I mean, you could make Arvel Reese and Edge. But let me tell you about this little gem called Judarian Price. He's the pick. It's because I got to, you know, I got to, I got to, I got to soothe the listeners and then like, oh, okay, yeah, he's going to pick this guy. And then I kind of roll then I just yank the rug from underneath them.

What's the, uh, uh, life alert? I've fallen. And I can't get up. No. I guess that was a bad guess. You better have that button ready because here comes the rug. Welcome to the opening bell of the NFL Stock Exchange podcast. Three minutes late.

You'll never know why. Was I washing my hands? Was Conner eating an uncrustable? Was I trying to acquire all the red chimichurriot Tripoli that exists on the planet? You guys will never know. You'll never know. But the important part is that we're here because we're talking tight ends. here for the 2026 NFL draft. It's another position ranking episode of the program.

Connor, I'm very excited for this one because tight end is the position where beauty is in the eye of the beholder. There are so many different ways to play this position. There are so many things that you have to ask tight ends to do, different offenses, even want guys to do different things that goes into strengths and weaknesses and physical abilities and athletic abilities. and I it's going to be a a deep fun conversation with you so how you doing my friend you ready for it I'm great man I am smiling year to ear at that cold open it really got me I knew he's going to pop at some

moment and I hadn't seen the actual commercial for life alert and so long I just seen the still image meme that it's been a while I just god the cook man he just never lets you down he's unbelievable he's unbelievable he's unbelievable he's a Michelin star chef when it comes to producing the show. He absolutely has his Michelin stars. The addicts are the addicts are already just at us for being three, four minutes late. They're keeping us in line like they always do. Tommy said, do you guys, Tommy said, you guys mind pausing the show for 10 minutes? I got a work meeting and I don't want to miss anything. Yeah, sure. Yes, yeah, we'll pause the show. We'll just, uh, we'll just dilly dally around. Also, Harbs in the chat is DJ Lagway in this episode.

wow you can't hurt me anymore and you know what neither could DJ Lagway so you know what he's not in this episode because he's not eligible in 2027 but if he goes to Florida State you bet your butt that I'm going to rank him as a tight end going into next year's draft that's perfect it's your ultimate revenge I know I know your ultimate revenge it is funny like when someone said that when we were joking about it and how far we've come since oh boy you know you say it's funny i don't really think it's funny it's probably not very funny for you i don't really i don't really i don't really personally i feel like i i say this as someone who's not a college football fan as i've said

many times in the show i'm a huge fan of the sport but i don't have a team i feel like it's not a fun time for most college football fans oh god no it's just like you wake up and you're like our quarterback that we gave a massive NIL deal to Monday, just left? Oh, it's awful. Unless you're an Indiana fan because Signetti just owns the transfer portal. Right. There's been a couple other teams really cleaning up. But at any, if you're not a fan of like one of the real, real big dogs, your roster just

gets rated immediately and you're like, what am I watching anymore? And even if you're a fan of the big dogs. It happens to them. Dude, Ohio State won the national championship last year. Half of their fans wanted him gone after he lost to Michigan before the college ball play. started and they won the national championship college football fandom is not for the faint of heart at all whatsoever i give i give them credit i couldn't recommend it any less and i also couldn't recommend it anymore yeah there is a thrill of the sport that is unmatched that is absolutely right

it's true it really is true um we're here to talk about some of those players in college football here as we're talking about the 26 tight end class i've talked about this before i've i've sort of change the way that I evaluate the tight end position like I do for a lot of other positions elsewhere and it's not like I just I don't want to just lump all these tight ends in one spot now I have I have receiving tight ends I have primarily blocking tight ends and Connor for this exercise I even created for the first time another detailed position I created a full back slash utility player position in my scouting sheets that I am now filling out because there's two guys that I watch for this exercise where I was like, I don't not like you as a football

player. I just don't think you can play tight end the way you need to at the NFL. I'd want you on my football team, but it's one of those where I would rather you just be sort of this utility backfield offensive player. So we'll get into a handful of those guys. We'll talk about and show you guys a lot of PFF data to go along with the things that we're talking about, the scouting notes, the film notes, all that great stuff. And today we are going to give you our top eights for this position. Before we start, do you want to shout out a couple of guys that won't be in our top eights that just to kind of, you know, get that off the top?

No, they don't deserve it. They didn't make it. Screw them. You don't make top eight. You don't get on the show. No, no, no. That's totally fine. Yes.

It sounds like you brought that up. because something was heavy on your heart. You had some conviction here. What guy do you want to talk about here that just didn't make the list? Well, there's a chance that they're in yours. Number nine for me is Oscar Delp. Not in mine. Not in yours.

You finally. Yeah. I feel like you've held on forever. I know. I know. Yeah. Oscar Delp did not make my top eight. Yeah.

Eventually kind of fall into the like stop trying to make it happen. If you love something, you got to let it go. you know if you really do that's the phrase but no in all seriousness it kind of is a little bit of what you just said there where addicts will remember this it wasn't this summer right it was a summer before yeah it was two summers ago it was two summers ago i had oscar delpa's tight end two in that class and the reason why is because brock bowers he just left and i thought he was going to be the next guy he's he's supposed to be he is a fantastic athlete played both sides of the ball when he was in high school, played lacrosse when he was in high school, just a, just a top tier all

around athlete, explosiveness, fluidity, flexibility, agility, good footwork, pretty well built for the position to be able to play on the line of scrimmage as an hback, as, as a slot receiver. And I thought this was his time where they were really going to lean on him. And Connor, we've had two years now since then. Yeah. They don't, they don't throw on the ball. They don't want to throw him in the ball. And there's, and you can understand why.

really good separation scores for him because he's a good athlete, but he's just not really natural in the passing game. And I think that if you don't bring at least a baseline value to the passing game, I just I don't think you're going to get drafted above the fourth round. So he's outside of my list. I had him tight in nine over the summer, and it's kind of funny he lands here what would be a tight end nine spot, but a lot of the players have changed or moved around in front of him.

Another guy, a guy that I liked over summer and didn't really have a huge year, Joe Royer on Cincinnati? I have Joe Royer just outside of my top page as well. Same. Just outside looking in. We talked a lot about him over the summer. Shoot, he's the opposite of dope. You need a receiver?

Like, he's a great receiver. His entire thing is Cincinnati built a lot of their passing offense around him. He could, same thing. Line up in the slot. Line up as an ex-receiver. Line up as a wingback off the line of scrimmage. Like he was somebody that you could use.

is a pre-snap motion player. He's got fantastic hands always attacking the ball in the air. Yeah. He's just got a playmaker's mentality after he catch the football. That's another thing with tight ends that we'll talk about here on the show is sometimes even if you have good athletes at tight end, they'll catch the football and they'll just go up the field. Like doesn't matter.

I'm running into somebody. Don't care. I'm just running up the field immediately. And then you get some of those guys that sort of turn into those playmakers where they go, okay, let me make you miss. Let me wait for this block today. develop let me you know go inside or out whatever so if you need a pure receiver tight end joe royer is somebody who i could understand you being really in on yeah i just didn't think

the blocking took the steps it needed to to be in the top eight no on the opposite end a player i love i just didn't have him in the top eight he'll be a day three darling of mine he was a stock up guy for me cody hardy the other tight end on nc state oh i didn't watch him he's just he's Jackson Hawes, right? Like it's just Oh, hell yeah. It's basically like cool, I have a sixth offensive lineman but he's a great watch. I think he might be the best blocking tight end in this entire

draft. Just such little receiving production. But I think he's going to be able to hang around the league for quite a while as that tight end, two, tight end three road grader. I'm a really big fan of this player. So I didn't watch him and I also didn't watch

the other tight end at Oregon. Because even though he, he, is draft eligible. I think he's a red shirt sophomore. I'm like, I don't think he's going to declare. I don't think so either. They'll just be the guy next year. Right. That's, that's kind of what I thought. So those guys were outside of your top 10, right? All those guys? Yeah, quite quite a few. Tanner Coziel. He is also outside of my top 10. Yes. The jump ball specialist. Yes, LLC, long-limbed or whatever it was, a long-limbed catcher or something. I mean, The dude's 6 foot 6, 6 foot 7, and Chad, go ahead and say the line.

Sounds like Mike Evans. Because he kind of been in that regard. Mike Evans. Like he is, you know what I'm saying? Like he's just like this contest to catch you. That's what everybody thinks that Mike Evans is. So you know the chat's going to do it. I just wanted the chat to say the line again.

If you need. Now, the reason why he's not in my top 10 is because he's really difficult to place. I obviously have them as a receiving tight end. He doesn't really carry the weight profile in the same. strength profile to be able to be an inline blocker for you. No. This is somebody who, if you try to play him like a traditional tight end,

I think you're going to be disappointed. There's going to be a lot more. There's going to be a lot of good and bad, but there's going to be a mix of it. And you're probably going to find somebody who you could get on the field who gives you a little bit more of a regular return on investment. Yeah. If you just play him as a

big slot, if you just do the Arronday-Gastin thing, he might be great for you. Like, I, I did not like Arande Gaston last year. Like, I gave him a sixth, seventh round grade. I was like, this player is so streamlined. Well, I don't like that player, like that player. Like you just said, I have to put Tanner Cozy on the slot.

I probably have a better slot receiver or option. Again, it depends what kind of receiver that you want, but I understand what you're saying. I don't disagree with what you're saying. Yes. So, yeah, he was on the outside looking in. It was a couple guys. Another guy that really, to me, was all receiving.

And this is the Keon Coleman. My five plays are better than anybody else in the draft YouTube specialist, Michael Trigg. I was wondering if you would have Trig in the top eight? No. And I don't. No. It's the Keon Coleman Award. Like Michael Trigg will have the sickest highlight tape when he's drafted.

Yes. because he makes he Michael Trigg had D1 offers to play basketball in he did yes okay I want to make sure I had that right and it's when you watch him you're like yeah I bet he did like there are plays he makes above the rim

or with one hand that are out of this world but this is tight end rankings and he's just very far at the moment and he's not a young prospect this was his fifth year in third school of being a actual tight end he

there are moments on tape where like he's David Joku. Oh, it's insanity. You know, some of the contested catch and spectacular catches that he has, basically everywhere on the field and the sideline, the red zone, over the middle. His best five plays, you're right, probably stack up with any tight end in this class. To be honest with you, if you went best five for five, he'd probably be number one in this rankings. He's got him. Yes.

But there are way too many frustrating drops. I feel like there are way too many times where he's, the first one walking in a play there are too many times where he's just just the way that this guy how competitive he is at the catch point when he wants to show somebody that he could beat him one-on-one if you gave me that michael trig all the time right he's probably tight end two even with some of his inconsistencies behind well i won't spoil it i won't spoil it for the people We got to watch the whole episode. We've got to get the view time up for the episode.

But I was so curious as to whether or not he was going to be in your top eight, because I think he's going to be in a lot of people's top eight. I think so too. Because of his ceiling, and he's one of those prospects where I go, without getting to know him personally from that side of the scouting that NFL teams will do, I'd probably just let somebody else draft him and be okay with him making some highlight plays for other teams, but maybe he also might have a quick burnout as well. I just don't know with him from what I watched.

Yeah, it didn't make my top eight. Joshua Quavis did not make my top eight. I have him at eight. You have him at eight. And he was basically right there. Like him, Delp, and Royer I had all together. Okay. So we'll talk about him when you go at eight.

He has a senior bowl invite. He had a really good year, you know, transferred up big time Cal Poly to Alabama. So we'll get to Quavis. Um, Marlon Marlon Klein didn't make my top eight. Marlon Klein's in my top eight. Okay, so we'll get to him. Yep.

Did you have Miles Ketzelman in your top eight? No, I didn't get to it. I watched about 15 tight ends. I didn't get to him. Hey, he's just beefy, man. I mean, he's just built like an NFL tight end. I mean, he's like 6'5, 255, 260 pounds, something like that. He's more of the blocking type, but he's the blocking type

that you're not afraid to leave on backside defensive ends. You know, where he's got this. the strength to be able to do it. And he's also straight line vertically, pretty decent athlete. He's just not going to give you a ton as a receiver. And so I think just lack of the sabbiness that he has as a receiver, it's pretty one-dimensional what he would be as a receiver. So I like his size overall as a blocker.

Do you have Eli Rairden in your top eight from Notre Dame? Oh, yeah. You do? Okay. All right, all right. He just missed my list. Just missed the list, though. But I do like Eli Rairden, a decent amount.

So we'll talk about it. Yep, we'll get to him. One more, what do you got? I mean, last one is Jake Gyllenall. That's where I do. That's where you're going. I was looking for the joke. John Michael Gillenbord.

Yeah, Jake Gill and Gorbbing. Didn't make my top bait. He's got a senior bowl invite. He does. So I am excited to watch him because I, when we watched him over summer, I didn't like him a ton. I was like, ah, I feel. Same. I feel like he's really, I feel like he's just way too one dimensional.

I had him tied in eight over summer. Yeah, I was just like, I just feel like he's a little to one dimensional here. I feel like he doesn't have what he needs to in the strength game. And then I watched him again from this year. And funny enough, his numbers weren't as good as this year as they were last year. But I actually could appreciate who he was as a receiver. And that just really being able to stand out and leaning into that at the NFL level. So he did not make my top eight, but I gave him like an early day three round grade.

And I could see a team really being in on his athletic potential. And I'm excited to see him down in Mobile at the Senior Bowl. Most of these guys we've discussed are going to gobble. That's really good. John Michael Gillen Pounder. John Michael Demer Geregorgon. No, it's John Pounder, Gillingmore. that's what it is that's the that was the easy one or pound michael gillenborg one of those two i think

i like that one better senior bowl will be really helpful because it feels like a ton of guys i have right on the outside of our rankings today but looking in our are our accepted invites all right number eight well actually eight through four we got okay eight through four uh Eight, Carson Ryan, from BYU. Okay, so this is one of the players that I watched. Okay. Who I think is a utility player. Interesting.

Okay, we'll talk about him. Eli Stowers, who I feel like we've talked about constantly on this podcast from Vanderbilt. And he's the one I'm fascinated at how you view him because he's my guy where I'm like, he's good at a lot of things. But the way I like tight ends are typically not. in the form of his play style. Sure. But he's just such a interesting athlete and receiver at the position.

We'll get to the full Starge breakdown again. Dayquan Wright from Ole Miss. I know a lot of people listening are probably thinking of the tough moments he had in the last college football playoff game. But Dayquan Wright had a hell of a season. And he is really, really big. I love that you brought up a couple minutes ago. Like not everybody's blocking us.

assignments are the same. There are guys that get high blocking grades and you watch them and they're basically on the move blocking slot corners. Then there's Dayquan Wright who's asked constantly to block defensive ends and outside linebackers. Any, any, he's got a dense strong build to him too. So he can do it. Uh, Justin Jolie, big Christmas. There we go. And then NC State, a dynamic pass catcher. Love it. Dynamic for Sam Roush. Oh, you got Sam Roush at four. From Stanford. Sam Roush is a baller.

He gets... Sam Roush needs to start getting some love in this class. Well, he'll get it. He'll get it from both of us. He'll get it from both of us here. Sam Roush is an absolute baller. Okay. So, uh, yeah.

I, do you want to go and then we'll break him down? I think that's what we're supposed to do. If I remember correctly from the... It's our first show, so like we're still kind of getting the hang of how this works. Number eight for me is Josh Kwavis. Um, the tight end from Alabama, uh, was at Washington with Kaelin DeBoer and then he transferred over to Alabama when Caleb DeBoer went over to Alabama. Not a heavily used player basically throughout his entire college career except for the second half of this year. And then I liked

what I saw. He's a little undersized, but we'll talk a little bit more about him. Seven is where I have Sam Roush. So I'm, I'm with you. The top eight tight end in this class. I can understand why you're even a little bit more, a little bit higher on him. I'll talk about some of my viewed limitations for him, but I'm glad that we get to have a bigger conversation. Marlon Klein from Michigan, uh, from Germany, somebody who hasn't been playing football super long, but holy smokes, the athletic potential of this guy, uh, with and without the ball. I mean, to take into account how little football he has played in his life and where he is right now in Michigan, um, I'm a fan. This is, this is a draft and developed type of a dude who I think

could be a stud for you. Number five, you, you'll, love when a plan comes here. Justin Jolie as well from NC State. And then four, I have Eli Lysd hours. Just such a premium athlete. And we'll obviously get to chat about him because you got him at seven and I got him at four. I think we should start with Sam Rauch, though. I think that's the intriguing player here. He's probably a name that a lot of people in the chat have not heard a lot of. So you guys can see some of the PFF stats and the numbers that we have there on the screen from Sam, Sam Rouse, who was at Stanford all four years. If I remember correctly, he was a rotational guy, his true freshman year, and then he has

been a starter for each of the last three seasons. Six foot five, about 255, 260 pounds from him, true senior. Connor, talk to me about him because you got him at number four and then I got him at number seven. Yeah, big fella. You love to see six, five, 260 pounds because these guys are going to or should be asked to play in the trenches at the NFL level. And it's because It's one of the reasons this position can be very, very difficult to project going forward or why there's a pretty significant bust rate sometimes with the earlier picks. And you see guys that go outside around one turn into stars because they're not appreciated enough on what they do on the line of scrimmage like Tucker Kraft and George Kittal to name

a couple over the years. When you look at Roush, man, you know, 49 catches this year, really productive season. He generated, he had 83 targets. So he was a focal point in their past game. He's just an underneath safety blanket because I think he gets off the ball pretty quickly for that size. And he knows how to use his size underneath to his advantage, to shield, to attack zone.

As you see, the higher receiving grade against zone, that doesn't surprise me. The 95th percentile separation percentage, I mean, once again, like he can move at his size laterally. And that really stood out to me When you watch him after the catch, he rumbles. It's freight train time, what's Sam Rosh. I mean, after the catch, when he has any kind of room and he gets moving,

he can absolutely plow through the defense and get a field in a hurry and not really overthink things. He's played over a thousand snaps in line over the last two seasons. He played the most snaps of any player on Stanford's offense over a two-year sample size. Yeah, this is an Iron Man, and this is someone that, unlike most of these college tight ends, that you'll see them play more in the slot and they'll play out wide and they'll play H-back. Sam Roush plays on the line of scrimmage all day. He just called him soft.

Get after their ass. Yeah, Sam Rouches, he's tougher than all of you. So, yeah, I mean, once again, like this guy plays tight end and college, how tight end is often asked to be played at the NFL level. And then I see a high effort in line run blocker. The hands are very active. It's clear like blocking to him is just as if not more important than catching the ball. there's a high effort he's got the body type to get even better at it i think a couple things for me

notably with the blocking it's still a work in progress on how to sustain blocks longer and i think that's because his hands are so active his hand placement actually gets a little wild sometimes he'll miss fire or he'll kind of overshoot he'll go to kill you and he'll kind of fire his body with his hands and he'll miss and then you look at the drop rate 10.7% drop rate this year that's pretty high, 21st percentile. It's not concentration issues. It's adjustment issues. Bigger body player. It's not like when you watch Justin Jolie and Eli Stowers where they look like receivers adjusting to the ball. It's a more, I have a bigger body. It's a little less comfortable and flexible to adjust to the ball. So I don't think he has bad hands. I just think he's not the

natural pass catcher that a lot of the guys we're going to talk about today can look like sometimes. Jeremy in the chat says, Sam Roush is the Trevor Sikima of Tucker Crafts. Maybe. Could be. I mean, the Trevor Sycambe, part of that is a massive anchor weighing down whatever Tucker craft is. So perhaps that is the case. Before I talk about what I think of Sam Roush, did you look up his family background?

No. This guy makes... Wait. I think I did go on it's just hearing a bell he might have the greatest case of football nepotism I've ever seen and I mean that as a high compliment just because of the football DNA that he has here okay you ready for this you ready for this yes father played football at duke mother played volleyball at montana state maternal grandfather played football at Utah state and in the NFL with the Rams the Broncos and the bills that was the one I knew I knew he had NFL bloodlines with the grandfather no how about this one maternal great uncle, pro football hall of fame or Merlin Olson. Didn't, I don't think I knew that. Other maternal great uncle, former BYU and Kansas City chief player, Orrin Olson, paternal grandfather played at Ohio, paternal uncle, Mark Roush, played football at Northwestern.

His mother's cousin, Nathan Olson, played football at Stanford. His paternal great-grandfather played baseball for the St. Louis Cardinals. Yeah, Sam Rouch is going to play in the NFL for a while. Yeah, I mean, it's just, this guy didn't have a choice. It's pretty easy formula, folks. That's insane. Bump them up your rankings. That's crazy.

When I read that, I was full. I was just, I kept scrolling the list and I was like, this keeps going? Imagine being in the family and you don't play football. Oh, my goodness. I don't even know if he has any brothers or sisters, but if he does. And they didn't make it to the league. You almost got to cast them out at that point. You probably don't get invited to every holiday, just the big ones.

Also, how about this? He played rugby growing up. tight ends often do to go on with the iron man thing he played tight end and i can't remember of his linebacker defensive end in high school he actually won the uh conference defensive player of the year and this guy was a tight end recruit calling in the chat said sam rosh better be thanking god in the post game interviews yeah this is warranted I'd like to start off, thank God, because everybody in my family plays near professional football. I think, so I think he is a really good football player.

I echo a lot of the things that you said. I think the difference of him at four on your rankings and seven on mine is you believe in him more as a receiver than I do. When I watch some of the struggles from him this year as a receiver, I went, I don't know if you're super natural as a receiver. Now, can you be a primarily blocking type of tight end that I could dump the ball off to and feel good about it? Yes, I think that that could be the case. But a lot of his stuff, and you see it from the lower average step to target there from him, are those speed outs, just those shallow crossers over the middle, those drag routes, things like that, really wasn't asked to run a ton of routes down the field.

And when he was, like you mentioned, some of those adjustment situations he struggled with. and he had some issues just getting his body where he needed to, also hauling in the passes. And so I think it just comes down to you believe in him a little bit more from the receiving part of it. But I think that we see this football player pretty similarly. And this is a dude who's tough as nails. Obviously, all jokes aside, has a lot of football in his DNA. He is somebody who clearly has had very close role models on exactly what it takes to be a pro and get to this level. And so I think that he's got the game that reflects that.

yeah man i think um i think you're going to hear a lot more about sam roush with the months going forward because it's been it's been quiet and that's you know it's fun when you get into the tape and you know admittedly i didn't see enough of stamford this year until i've watched prospect tape and he he popped for me for sure pretty sure stanford was pretty bad so yeah i know it was a tougher year for them besides andrew luck with some pretty cool sideline moments right that is that is true um you want me hit on josh quavis really quick okay so josh quavis he's redshirt senior uh played at alabama like i said he was at washington wait wasn't he wasn't he somewhere before washington he was at calpoli

before he was at washington played at cal poly for two years that's when he was actually utilized the most as a receiver um and then transfers over to washington then transfers over to alabama where he wasn't used a ton he this is zero zero star tight-end recruit and so that's why you know he starts his career cal poly he played wide receiver and line backer when he was in high school. He also played basketball, played baseball. Everybody knows that I'm always going to call out those multi-sport guys because I think that it means a lot to who you are as a natural athlete. And I do think that Josh Kovas is a natural athlete. So he's six foot three, two hundred and 555 pounds. You can tell that he loses just the overall size and

length battle just because he is right around six foot three, which is 15th percentile for the tight end spot. But I think that there's just so much more to like about his game than to not. I don't think that he's going to be the most dominant blocker for you, but I think that he gives you some good pound for pounder strength. Pounder for Pounder strength. If he ends up that by the Carolina Panthers. But you see some of the separation percentiles there from him. I think they're really good. He knows how to get up the field really quickly out of his stance up the field. I think that despite not having the longest strides, man, I feel like he covers a ton of ground once he really starts to get moving. He's got some good yards after catchability. You see that contested catch stuff

right there. 62.5%. That's 89th percentile when it comes to contested catches. I think he is a well-coordinated football player. I think he's a high IQ football player. And I think he's very dialed into a lot of the details. So he's not a big make you miss after the catch type of a guy. He's not going to be an imposing blocker against defensive end. He's going to be more of a guy who kind of survives those situations. But as more of a, you know, a bigger slot type of a player, a wing back, you could put him on the line of scrimmage. And I think he can and really learn how to, I mean, he knows how to use his leverage and angle guys to be an effective blocker, even if guys outweigh him a good amount. I just felt as though, just great all-around

game from him. This is somebody who I think is a fringe top 100 type of a guy, most likely probably an early day three player, but a football player who I just think understands how to win at the position in a variety of different alignments. And so we're going to talk about guys who are a little bit more physically gifted than him, but just such a solid football player. that I saw in Josh Quavis. Well, rounded is the perfect way to put it. He could just do a little bit of everything for you.

And maybe I undervalued that where he just is on the outside of my top eight looking in, hoping for some of the guys with some bigger traits to pop. And he's somebody I have circled for senior ball watching like pretty intently. Yeah. I'm very excited to see him in that environment. Because I'm wondering if he gets just because he was not utilized a lot as a receiver. when he was at Washington or when he was Alabama. Like I said, until the second half of the season where at the beginning of the year,

Bama was like, okay, we're going to be good at run on the football. We've got Jeremy Bernard. We've got Ryan Williams. We're going to lean into those guys. And then halfway through the year, I think Alabama was like, oh, no, we suck at running. Ryan Williams can't catch now. We basically just have Jeremy Bernard. And so that's when Quava started to get involved a little bit more in the offense.

And I think he gave them some pretty good return on investment there. All right, so Carson Ryan. Yeah, talk to me about him. Yeah, so tight-ed eight for me. One of the last players I actually watched, a huge year for BYU. He was at UCLA and then Utah before finishing his college career at BYU.

You said you kind of highlighted him as a utility player. It's definitely an interesting way to frame it. And I don't think you're off at all there. He had 46 catches for over 600 yards this year. You see the big time receiving grade against Zone. This was somebody that not only knew how to attack the open space in zone, but you look at what he can do with the ball in his hands when he has room once again. To me, he was someone that, like, you just watch him plow through defenders after the catch.

Or he'll carry him, tough runner after the catch generates momentum. Former four-star recruit, by the way. So this isn't, like, he's a late breakout because this was his third school. But he was the number three tight end in his. his class coming out of the state of Utah. I love the 93rd percentile separation percentage and the 85th percentile yards per route run in 2025. Like I said,

this was a big breakout year for him. Or I might like him a little more than you because you called him a utility player. I think some of the inline stuff is like really going in the right direction. Like he drives his legs. He's a high effort. He's has average size. he's you know yeah i had him i had him from summer six three and five eights two fifty three yeah okay which isn't small but it's if you're gonna play on a line of scrimmage like we just

talk about sam ralsh who's 260 what just what opened up the idea for me for him being a utility player instead of a tight end is you know what i actually think his biggest deficiency is because i actually agree with you on on everything that you said there he's competitive he's got some good leverage he'll give you some better reps than you're probably probably expecting for a player who's built the way that he is, who can move the way that he is. I think he's got really short arms. I probably have that for you. Let me look it up.

I think you're right, too. A lot of guys, you know what's weird? Like a lot of these tight ends do where I was like, ah. When I was watching him, the way that I watched him consistently lose on the line of scrimmage wasn't really a lack of strength. It was the fact that these guys would either be able to sort of, you know, break his grip using length and leverage

or they were able to get him on his heels so he would engage, he would get the pop, he would get the arm, he would get the hands up and into the chest of some of these defensive linemen, but if they can just extend their arms and put him on his heels, well then all of a sudden they have the full advantage there.

And there were so many times that I saw that where I was like, oh, I think you have short arms. 31 and a quarter. Yeah, so that would... Well, like, back to my point about the class, Quavis, 31. Yes, but Quavis is six foot three. So his arms kind of look proportional to the way that you would expect him to win.

And when he wins as a blocker, he's not winning with like pound for pound strength. He's winning with leverage. And if he doesn't, yes, I think that the lack of length definitely shows up. But I remember seeing that. And I remember just seeing that on tape. and I was like, I like you out of the backfield more than I do just saying, okay, are you receiving tight end? Am I going to play you in the slot?

I like him the most out of the backfield, but I don't want him on the line of scrimmage because I just think that if he's losing the length battle now, it's only going to get worse when he gets to the NFL level. So there's a ton of stuff that I think I agree with you totally on basically everything. I just saw that lack of arm length as a limitation to him being called and labeled a tight end. end. And I actually just like, hey, let's get him out of the backfield. Play as a fullback. Play as a wingback. When you're blocking, be a lead blocker instead of having to block against defensive ends. And that way he can use his quickness out of the

backfield. And he's actually got some decent cuts in his route for like Texas routes and like choice routes and things like that. So that's where I saw him. I didn't have him ranked for tight ends, but I ended up ranking him as a utility player. Yep. I thought the long speed was mediocre. Like you said, more burst in agility than long speed. Pretty low A dot. It's really all underneath stuff. The contested

catch number there, though, was something I did deep dive because I was like, dang, how was he so bad, unproductive and contested catch situations? You watch like, I think it was nine of them, and I think he caught two of them. I mean, nobody was catching these contested catch. Like one of them,

the quarterback, it's the worst hospital ball i've ever seen i can't believe he gets off the field gets his head decapitated and the ball's nowhere near him and then some other ones were just but once again that goes back to the long speed where i wish he was running away from those guys rather than being blanketed and thrown the ball yeah so and the arm length probably plays into the low contested catch rate as well so yeah carson ryan uh really nice late breakout and definitely a like a draftable prospect in this draft that wasn't on the radar much at all coming into the year. So good for him after being a pretty big recruit once upon a time.

People are saying Taysom Hill 2.0. Again, I, I'm always wary of comping people to Taysam Hill just because Taysam Hill was like stupid athletic. Yeah, Tysm Hills, right? It's like we make jokes about him, but he also isn't appreciated enough. Yeah. Especially how long he did it. Isn't Tassum Hill now like 35 years old?

I think so. Yeah. Yeah. It's crazy. He is the only player in NFL history to have 1,000 passing yards, 1,000 rushing yards, and 1,000 receiving yards. Kind of crazy. Who are we doing next? Who's next one list?

Well, we had a lot of similar ones. Let's go back to the rankings here and see. I can go through Dayquan Wright. Oh, yeah, yeah. Let's do Dequan Wright next. Okay, Deiquan Wright, who is not in your top eight, right? No, he was outside of my top eight. So take on right for Ole Miss, transferred from Virginia Tech.

I've talked about him on a stock up, but this year he's got 36 catches for 571 yards, which is just like, this guy's had some big, a lot of explosive plays for the position, a lot of explosive plays. He, the 95th percentile separation percentage is all, he can really run for, I, he looks big, bigger than $255. He really does look bigger than $2.55. He looks almost like $2.65, $2.70. I would agree. Yes. This is a large player that can gallop. That's where I watch him and I'm like, whoa. I'm like, this guy can really run for how big he is. He played over 400 snaps in line for them this year. I know his run blocking grades didn't really pop, but you watch the tape.

and not only were his assignments just absurd, he does a pretty good job for the most part. Like, he's not going to go out there and be Cody Hardy and just run through people left and right. But he can give you enough to sustain his blocks on real defensive ends. You know, he is kind of an analytics darling. When you look at the 87th percentile separation percent,

well, this is the last two years, but just this year, 87th percentile separation, percentage, 81st percentile yards per route run, which, you know, once again, like 99th percentile yards after catch per reception. He just has these galloping strides that guys took bad angles to him and let him cut to the sideline and have these huge chunk gains. Now, despite the size and the raw strength, the blocking consistency is still a work in progress. It's weird because he's big, wide and he's pretty strong but there's enough reps on there where he tries to just take people out with his shoulder on the move when he's just in line like he understands the assignment but when

they get him moving and he has momentum he's like oh I'm just going to plow through this guy and it's like no just say the technique you showed in line and so I think you know coaching will get him there. I'm a big believer in his projection. Like Sam Rouch, though, I thought the adjustments to the football were a little bit below average, and there's a theme. Like, these are big tight ends. Definitely 260 plus pounds. The adjustments aren't the same as guys that are 240. And then you have to question the football IQ. I mean, the big moment was not getting out of bounds before the half against Georgia last week. And like, you got to know these things. That's a very elementary level mistake. So

you know that's that's going to come up throughout his scouting but um i i'm i project this guy forward in a pretty big way i can see why you would be in on him i think that he has a lot of just athletic potential overall from what you mentioned with him being listed at six foot four 255 pounds i mean he looks bigger than that he looks like he's 265 270 um the athletic background he played wide receiver but he also played quarterback in high school just to be the guy who touched the ball at all times he also ran track i don't know what he weighed when he was in high school but had an 1114 100 meter dash and then in basketball you want to talk about guys who had good high school basketball numbers he averaged as a senior 16.4 points 8.8 rebounds

3.5 assists and 2.3 steals per game so yeah this is a big athlete. He's a big athlete he is he's a big athlete and I think what you said there at the end is why he's not in my top eight I just think there's inconsistencies all around with them without a doubt i don't know i don't know how much more consistent they get potential absolutely there for him but in year four he's a senior he's played a good amount of ball now we've still got these inconsistencies as a blocker we've still got some inconsistencies as a receiver i didn't love the contested catch percentage from him despite being like a bigger tight end but he'll be able to give you some flashes i mean he's absolutely like getting drafted and he's

absolutely somebody who's going to get the chance to work into some sort of a rotation early on his NFL career. I don't think he's going to get drafted super high, but the potential is there for him. I think he'll be like 20. How old will he be? He'll be 23. Yeah, he'll be 23 in his rookie season because I got his birthday here.

September 21. September 21, yeah. So 22 on draft night and through training camps. Yeah, that's not a. That's pretty standard. Yeah, that's not a, it's not a thing where you're like looking at his age and you're thinking of that he's super old. So 23 is totally fine.

I'm excited to talk. I'm going to request him. He'll be at the top of my list to request for Combine. There's a lot of, like, I really, this is a player I'd really like to pick his brain. Oh, sure. And see where he's at. Yeah, because you get to sit down with a bunch of these dudes. Yeah, you know, you're not guaranteed everyone.

But, yeah, I would, because the physical aspects are extremely promising with Dayquan, right? Who do I talk about next? Oh, Marlon Klein from Michigan. All right, let's talk about Marlon Klein here. So I had Marlon Klein. Marlon incline dumbbell presses. You like that? I see what you did there.

I do see what you did there. I have him tight end six. Marlin Klein. Barbell bench. I'm moving on from you. He is a three-star tight end who is originally from Germany. Started playing soccer and basketball before trying football. played football in Germany as a freshman and a sophomore before he transferred to a boarding school

in Georgia, the play high school football ends up. So he's only played football now for six total years. Got to Michigan, red shirted his first season, as you would probably expect, played in 10 games in 2023, started six games the following year, and then he was able to start this past year with Colston Loveland now off to the NFL. He was number 35 this year on Bruce Feldman's freak list. and the excerpt from that article was the 6'5-250-pound junior who has, oh, yeah, I forgot he is a, he's just a redshirt junior. Yeah, he's not an official senior.

Oh, yeah. So Michigan is what, not to interrupt you, but Michigan's waiting on some key guys right now, right? It sounds like, did he declare officially? Yes. He did. Okay, because I know they have a couple key guys that they are like, it's going to come down to the wire. They're trying to keep.

Yes. Okay. I just wanted to make sure. 6 foot 6, 250 pound junior. He's hit over 21 miles an hour when he was in practice. Broad jumped 9 foot 7 inches. This offseat, so this is the article that was written this summer. This offseason, Klein, ran a 689 in the three cone drill.

His former teammate Colson Loveland did it in 694, so fast than Colson Loveland. And no tight end at last year's Combine did it any quicker than that. He also has a 425 short shuttle time, which would have been the fastest by any tightest. end of the combine. You see that athletic potential. When they actually allow him to just run down the field and be a receiver and a route runner, you absolutely see that from him. He is extremely impressive, so much athletic potential. You don't quite see it yet, like put all together. Like he's okay using that flexibility, that change of direction, that long speed as a route runner quite yet. But you see moments of it. And I think that's worth buying into, especially because I think this do is

also super strong. I just think he is physically gifted. Pound for pound, he is such a strong player, great grip strength, good footwork. I mean, the way that he can lock on to players who outweigh him by 20, 30, 40 pounds, and they are trying to, you know, stack and shed, you know, yank him off of him. And he is just holding on and his feet still are able to mirror what they're doing he's able to hold on with really good hand placement a good grip strength so much of that is there for him where if you tell me that over the next two years we're still putting good weight on him we're still letting him get even stronger and we're getting him with a really good receiving tight end coach or just wide receiver coach when he gets to the NFL this dude's got a lot of

potential I don't know if he's ever going to be a tight end one for you if I thought he was going to be a tight end one I'd have him higher but as like a tight end two type of a player boy this is high effort as well, like this is the kind of guy that you draft and you develop because you might find a gem when you get into heavy personnel stuff. Yeah, I talked about him on a stock up and there's just a lot of promise there and what makes you buy in is what you said that he's still, he's on the like upward trajectory of a guy that international player has been playing football his whole life, a program that you don't expect insane production specifically through the past game.

all the time so i don't blame you like this is somebody that i think once again is he accepted senior ball invite him almost positive he is yeah he is he's a one of them yeah i couldn't remember senior senior senior ball so that's like another guy that people are going to be watching see what he could do not only in one-on-one passing situations but how he looks in blocking and just out there the movement skills at that size somebody asked in the chat like oh what's a team that could be interested in in somebody like this i maybe like the jags you know they've already kind of got that type of a player with Brenton Strange and you're able to sort of develop him behind Brenton Strange. I think if you had two of those dudes that you felt pretty good about, throwing to those

athletes who could block really well, I think that's a team that just immediately pops into my mind. Maybe even the Broncos as well, like Sean Payton really wanting to invest in an athlete type of a tight end joker position like he said before. This could be a guy that you're drafted in there and maybe he fits that bill. All right. So he was eight for you, six for you. Yes. Let's get back to the ranking since we had a couple crossovers here after all those guys we both had stowers in this group and we both had Jolie in this

group. So I think those are the next two guys. So dealer's choice who you want to talk about next? Hmm. I'll take Jolie. Big, the man known as Big Christmas. Okay, all right. This is someone that over summer

the, yeah, Marvel, I agree. He's mad that you didn't piggy a license. Stowers he's a big Eli Stowers guy I guess there was so much to like when we watched him this summer but you just had like he's I have him 6278 so he's 6.3 250 but you're like is he really 250 am I falling for the Gazden level like you know really good college receiving tight end but is that just not going to work at the next level right and man I just no I don't think it's that I think he's a he plays too smart

Right, he's smart. He's athletic. We talked about all the guys with short arms. He's almost got 33-inch arms, Justin Jolie. Yeah. Three inches, one could say. Right. 10-and-a-half-inch hands.

Like, he's got length. The hand size isn't surprising with his contested catchability. You see the 96 percentile contested catch percentage. This is somebody that, did you classify him as a regular, a slot tight end? How did you classify? Receiving tight end. Receiving tight end. Yeah.

Yeah, and that's fair, but I will give, while the blocking is still a work in progress, and it's my biggest concern, there are moments that give me some hope here, especially depending on what scheme you run. Like, are you going to park them on the line of scrimmage and have them block a defensive end in a gap scheme that you should not? Right. But there's enough of it, like you said, IQ and the athleticism with size that, I mean, like there's, at least going to be something there, I think. But you're drafting him because of his past catching skills. I mean, he caught eight of his 14 contested catch opportunities this year, 11 of his 13 the year before.

He's just got tremendous ball skills. He's got he maximized. He's already got a good catch radius, but he maximizes that catch radius. I love when they use him up the seam because he's got great acceleration that he can climb over the top of linebackers. He's not afraid to get hit from safety's coming downhill. And in the red zone, this guy's a weapon, like a real weapon.

His mindset in the red zone is that's like C ball, get ball, mine over the top of the defender's head. Separation percentages high. That's not surprising when you watch him. He could run by people. He's got some refinement in his routes. And he played more snaps in line this year than in the slot, which isn't going to carry over to the NFL, but at least he's like they're trying to have him. he's gotten a lot bigger throughout college.

Dude, he was a former wide receiver. Yeah, and he was at Yukon, right? Yes, he was at Yukon initially. He was a two-star wide receiver. And he played at Yukon for two years where he just played, he played as a rotational player really for those two years. And then he transferred to NC State. And they're like, okay, we kind of want you to play tight end.

So he put on 25, 30 pounds. Yeah, something like that to be able to play tight end for them. So, but for him to, so. you can kind of tell that with him having that extra weight on like his game is a little bit different but i don't think he can i don't think it translates into bad weight i don't think he can get bigger for what you want him to do this is as big as he's going to get so whatever he weighs at the combine like officially whatever it is like 245 250 you can't be like oh let me let me throw a couple of extra pounds on just and jolly and then i could put him on the line of scrimmage more

he's not going to be able to hold more weight this is basically what you get but for him to be a receiving tight end, I think you should be totally fine with that, given his tape. Right. Now, like I said, the blocking is a big work in progress. So I'm not going to pretend that that's why you're drafting him.

You're not. But, man, like, once again, this is, and you know what's weird? He doesn't generate a ton of yards after the catch per reception. He's got some ability after the catch, but you're almost expecting more because of the play style. Yeah. it's funny he's he's like a different athlete before and after the catch i completely i don't know

i don't really know why i don't really know why i'm like you god watching you run around and catch the ball is dynamite and then that's kind of the play which is it's fine it's enough the only here's the one thing i wrote down at the end where i'm like this this bothered me but i still like him a lot he was a total non-factor against notre dame in miami this year And like on the schedule, that's the two games. I'd like to see him. When were those games, though?

Because I think the Miami game, if I remember correctly, the Miami game was the first game that he tried to come back from his quad stream. Okay, well, that's a good note. That's a really good note. Notre Dame game was the second week of October. The Miami game was the second week in November.

So it was definitely the, that definitely was. the first game he's back from the quad because i was going to i was going to mention another reason why i really love jolly is i think that this is this is such a competitive football player so yes miami was so he played so he played that pittsburgh game and the very last play of the pittsburgh game what i'm going to bring up the reason why he's a competitive player he is wide open for a touchdown they throw him the football he is sprinting to the end zone you see him strain his quad and he's got like 25 20 yards left before he gets in the end zone instead of

falling down he limps madden gregg jenning style like holding his leg he hops limps everything that he can to get into that end zone yeah scores the touchdown and then his teammates help him as he limps and crawls to the sideline afterwards that was the last play that he played in the Pittsburgh game, he missed the next week against Georgia Tech. And then that next week was Miami. And I still think that he was getting over that quadrushed it back. I think he was trying to play and wanted to come back.

That makes sense. That's good context specifically for the Miami game. And I have heard from somebody that's worked on a staff that had him like all world dude. So it doesn't surprise me to hear you not only see that on the field, but coaching, like, people love this guy. Like you said, the fact that he was willing to convert to tight end and put in the work to gain 25 pounds.

It's Justin Jolie, typically not my kind of tight end. I'm a big fan. Yep. I like him a lot, just for the same reasons that you did. And on top of all that, I think that this is a ballplayer. I think he is competitively tough. I think he is so smart in how he wins. So good athlete, not the best blocker.

but don't put him in those situations too many times. And I think you're really going to like what he could be to an offense. I just think he is a bigger type of receiver that you're going to lean on. And he wins with football IQ. He wins with leverage. He understands defenses. And he's competitive as hell, as we saw from that clip and others. So big fan of Justin Jolie there.

We both have him tied in five. And then the last one here in our four through eight before we getting into our top threes is Eli Stowers from Vanderbilt. I have him as tight end four. You have him as tight end seven. So Stowers at Vanderbilt, really quick recap on sort of his background here. He's a redshirt senior this year. This was his last year of eligibility that he had. He's six foot three and a half, 240 pounds.

So he's not built like your typical tight end. And the reason why is because, well, quite frankly, he wasn't a tight end. He was a four star quarterback, actually, in the 2021 class. He was a two sport athlete. football and track. High jump, long jump, also competed in the relays. He won the Texas state title in the high jump. So this is a explosive type of athlete that we're talking about here. He committed to Texas A&M at a high school, spent two years of Texas A&M as a quarterback, played in just five games, so he didn't play a lot. Transfer to New Mexico State in 2023.

And he battled for the quarterback spot at New Mexico State, won Diego Pavia. It's amazing. He lost the quarterback battle to Diego Pavia. that year, but his coaches were like, hey, you're a hell of an athlete, switch positions to tight end. We want to get you on the field. We want to play you. And so he switched to tight end, and him and Diego Pavia became one of the best one, two combinations in the country when they were in New Mexico State. Diego Pavia transfers over to Vanderbilt. Eli Stowers follows him over there. And for the last two years, they said, all right, now we're going to prove it in the SEC. And I think that they absolutely proved it in the SEC. He was number 15 on Bruce Feldman's

freak list this summer. This is from that article. The 6'4, 235-pounder, former, I'm just going to laugh at Pounder every time that I say. It'll never get old. A former Texas 6A state high jump champion has elite wheels. He broad jumped 11 feet 3 inches this off season to go along with a 39-inch vertical as a tight end.

His top speed from the GPS in practice was 21.43 miles per hour. He also power cleaned over 300. 160 pounds. Don't ask him to block in line. No reason to do that. Nope. Don't waste this time. Don't waste yours.

But if you look at him as a six foot three and a half, 240 pound, versatile receiver, I think you're going to love what you find. I wish the contested catch numbers were better from him. I really do because I think a lot of what he does is going to be going over the middle as well. And so he's got to be better there. You see the contested catch numbers is just 20th percentile over the last two years. But incredibly natural hands, very explosive, elite route runner for the position. And he has, I think, the highest wins above average metric of any tight end in this class over the last two years

just because of how good of a receiver he is and how impactful he is in the passing game. So again, don't view him the way that you view other tight ends. view him more as a versed receiver that you get to work with, and I think you're going to be super happy. I really do. It's, you know, Jono Smith. That's what I was going to say.

Just think Johnny Smith, man. Like Evan Ingram. Like, even though I think everything is, Arthur Smith is just like. Essentially, yeah, yeah, absolutely. He's drooling. That's the type of player that we're talking about here. And Johnny ended up going in the third round.

I think that that's about the range that I would say for Eli Stowers as well. Um, so I'm, I'm a big fan of him and I, I think I have him higher because I'm prioritizing more of what he could do on a regular basis in the passing game for you. All right. Let's get into the top threes. All right. Wait, wait, before we get in the top three. That's why. That's why I'm sorry, sorry. Game plan of the week, folks. Game plan of the week. There it is. Playoff week. Presented by Weston and Southern Financial group,

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yep buckle up squirt oh my lord are you not retained did you watch jack andries yeah i did Holy cow, you didn't even talk about him. No, I forgot. I did forget to talk about him. I was going to say, you didn't even talk about him as a just-miss your top 10 or 8? No, he did. Also, though, I knew I didn't want to cut you short. Like, I knew he was going to be in your top 8.

So I tried to guess players that were not going to be in your top 8 because that's not fun listening experience. And I did pretty good. God. But yeah. So Raritan's not in your top 8. no he just missed it and injuries is not in mine that's wild this is our like our mason thomas david bailey we've had a lot of these we have had a couple of these david bayley what you were

right on armasan thomas i was right on yeah yeah jack andries is three for me he's tied in three for me max clear is two and then can you sedek is one i don't think it's a great just all andries andres is good wow but i can't believe you don't have andry's top date I can't believe you don't have Raritan Well, I'll tell you exactly why I don't have Rarden After you talk about Rarting Because you like it a lot more Talk about him as your time

So I'll jump to Rarden at Tite End 2 Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I think if Rarden And this is a huge caveat And it's a dangerous game to play I think if Rarden was simply More athletic, better as a blocker And more impactful receiver

Then I think, you know, he, no, I'm just kidding I'm just trying to. Didn't tear his ACL, write ACL twice in 10 months not ideal certainly like there's a world where i like him in my top 60 players and he doesn't go to easily day three with awful medicals i don't know i have no idea but do the ultimate caveat holy smokes you watch the tape and you're like did notherdame forget sometimes that they had him he is a good player he didn't catch a touchdown this year no he didn't he had 33 catches for 503 yards 20 of those catches went for first downs his dad of course played offensive line for notre dame in the early 2000s there's that picture of him as like a like maybe a baby almost his dad and brady quinn you ever see that it's really good i don't know if i have it's really good

but yeah this guy was born to play notre dame football um this is the ideal builds for an NFL tight end yeah he's huge he's huge he's huge He's 6.7. I was going to say, how tall is he? He's 6.7, so he's probably what, 6.6.5. Yeah. 250. Getting bigger and stronger, very clearly. Once again, going back to, so he tore his right ACL twice in a 10-month span.

He tore it right before getting to college and then five games into his college career for Notre Dame. But you watch this guy. He eats up zone with a high-eye. Q. He knows how to attack zone coverage on tape. He's got these long strides that climb over linebackers. I'm surprised by the change of direction, like for that size. That to me stood out. 90th percentile yards per route run this year, 2.21. And it's not surprising when you watch the tape, just how effective he is. As a receiving tight end, he only had five contested opportunities, but he caught four of them.

So what are we doing, CJ Carr? And the thing is, though, they had some game, they had a lot of games this year after the tough start that they were just, they didn't even really even need to throw the ball.

It was like, okay, Jeremiah Love and Judarian Price run up your stats as we kill this team. So, and he still had over 500 yards, 719 snaps on the line of scrimmage over the last two seasons. I think he's an adequate blocker right now,

but I think he's tapping into becoming an above average blocker. Adequate right now, but the size and the developmental path to tap into more. It is bizarre. He didn't catch a touchdown this year. There's no denying it. It is strange. It's not like he didn't ever catch a touchdown in college, but he didn't catch a touchdown

this year. I think the hands are average, but Eli Redden, I just hate with the ACL caveat. Sure. Because I think he's really freaking good. good. Yeah, I think that maintaining the blocks a little bit more at the next level, becoming a little bit more stronger of a blocker, I felt like there were times when guys were shedding his blocks a little bit quicker on a regular basis than you would expect. And I just think that him overall as a receiver, some of the nuance and the savviness wasn't exactly there. But like you mentioned, they didn't ask him to do it a ton. And when he was asked to do it and they relied on him and they threw him the football, he absolutely delivered. So he was truly like just outside of where my top eight was. And actually, as I was was doing this yesterday. Before I watched Sam Roush, I think he might have actually been in it. So he was truly, that's, I think of him right on that line of where I had my top eights, but I didn't see him as super fluid of an athlete.

Interesting. I thought the change of direction was, was pretty good. Okay. All right. Maybe I got to go back and watch it a little bit more with that in mind. I think he's a good player. I think he's a good player. he's like a, I think he's a fringe top 100 type of a guy. But I was just, I, I, I didn't see him as, as quite that type of an athlete. And I think that as a blocker, and maybe he'd get better, of course, because like everybody could get better. It's so funny.

Like, there are sometimes players who, like, were not blocking tight ends at all whatsoever when they were in college. And then they get to the NFL and it's like, becomes their calling card. Like, that's how they're like, when did this happen? Exactly. And so like, there's certainly a world. where that happens, but, man, tight end two. Yeah, tight in two.

Tis praise. Yeah. I would put him in Claire and Roush all in the same exact tier from two to four. And honestly, Jolie's just so different, but in this, it's like, it's weird because number one, I think is going to go in the top 25 picks. And then I think it's just going to be a big third round kind of class. Yeah. I, so I'll talk about Jack Endries now because he's my tight-in three and then we can, you know, mention that.

I feel like we, he's not 6-1-21-15. I just want to make sure nobody panics. Oh, shoot, did I send 6-1? Sorry. Sorry, Tyler. Trevor's not that insane, everyone. 6-1-215. That would be light for a tight-in. He is 6'4-240 pounds is what he's officially listed at.

So he's a redshirt junior from Texas. Look at the chef. Live fixes. Oh, my goodness. What a king. Mastermind. Wow. Don't screenshot the first part.

Please, it never happened. Three-star tight end from California. Played both sides of the ball, played wide receiver, and he played linebacker in high school. Also played basketball and baseball. So he committed to Cal as a walk-on, funny enough,

because he had some looks at other schools, but he really wanted to go to Cal. Cow was his dream school. He got offers to play at other schools. universities but he's like nope i'm walking on to cal so he walks on he gets preferred walk on spot at cow very quickly like earns a scholarship played in a red shirt of the first year rotation of the next year started all 13 games in 2024 and then he transferred over to texas in 2025 i actually think he was underutilized at texas and and they were i thought that i thought so too man for the first

half of the season arch was going through a a very spiritual journey that we didn't know that he was going to go on. But I think that that was kind of at the expensive injuries being able to showcase what he was able to do. He's listed 64-240, but like, man, I think that he

looks and plays a little bit bigger than that. I don't think he's like the most dominant blocker in the world. That was my concern. So I don't think he's the most dominant blocker in the world, but I think he's more of a receiving tight end anyways. Right. So if you're telling me that you're not putting him straight on the line of scrimmage attached to the

offensive tackle all the time. If you tell me that he's just, you know, a wing back with a step behind the line of scrimmage or he's in the slot, like I think he is perfectly adequate as a blocker. So I think this kind of comes down to what I believe I am asking him to do at the NFL level, which goes to the, what we said at the beginning of the podcast, where I think the tight end is the hardest position to evaluate. Of any position in scouting, I think the tight end is the most difficult. Because who you are even at a moment in college could be different the next year.

It could be different your rookie year in the NFL. That could be different from year four in the NFL. And offense to offense, the game plan for you is so important to your success

because as a overarching umbrella term as a tight end, you could be an ex-receiver. You can be an on-the-line of scrimmage and line blocker. You could be a wingback. you'd be a fullback, you'd be a slot receiver, you can be a move player. You can do all of these things.

They could ask you to block 75% of the time. They could ask you to block 0% of the time. You have no idea. And we're all labeling these guys as one position. That's why I'm trying to break it up as much as I can. Because there's just so much variation to how you use these guys. So that is why with injuries, I think for what you are going to ask him to be as a blocker, I think he's adequate.

I think he's perfectly fine with it. And then as a receiver, I think he's got a tall, long frame. I think he's an above average athlete. I think he's got long strides. I think he's really good in the vertical area to be able to get down field. He's got experience in line,

but he's also got plenty of experiences in the slot. I think he is very sure-handed. You see that contested catch percentage, 96th percentile over the last two years. Very natural pass catcher. A little bit stiff, but hey, he's 6'4, 240 pounds. So a lot of these guys are. You can't be comparing a lot of these dudes to how Justin Jolie moves or how Eli Stowers moves.

You know, it's just, it's going to be a little bit different. If he puts on a little bit more weight, if we get him closer to 250 and he still feels like the athlete. I just don't see it. I don't see it. You don't think he could put on more weight? Not 250. I had him listed 236. Oh, you haven't listed under 240.

But that was from summer. so 250 would I'd be really pleasantly surprised this is my whole like I'm cool with him in his current state we're arguing over two players he just accepted a shrine invite both Raritan and him are going to be at shrine

not nice which is interesting to me good for Shrine I I think both Raritan and entries should be at senior I mean the games technically aren't tiered anymore more so they're competing for players obviously but um it's i think injuries and rearden if you're going by the old school way of the senior bowl typically gets the best guys i'm very surprised by

some of the players on the senior ball roster and that neither of these guys were i'll no this i think that both i think i think i think jack andries is a hell of a player yeah i really i really think that he's fantastic and i just think that he is just such a natural as a receiver and as you could tell in my rankings, I got Justin Joel at five. I get Eli Stowers at four. I have Jack injuries at three. I got Max. Yeah, I think you value that guy more than me. 100%. I just, I value the receiving ability from tight ends because if you have the ability to do it, yeah, there's like a blocking baseline a little bit. But again, there might not have to be from team to team. And if you can bring value as a receiver, I think you got a block. You could be such a

mismatch player. You can. That's Jolie to me. I think at some point though, man, you like, you really got to have not only the ability to block. But I don't mind injuries as a blocker. You, you, that's your, that's your detractor with him where I'm not as low on injuries as a blocker as you are. I think it's just become, not become, but it's more often than not such a big people position. And there'll be plenty of guys that are big and not effective at tight end in the NFL, which is funny because Max Claire is my other guy we need to talk about, and he's not that big. So, all right, let's talk about Max Claire. Let's move on to Max Claire. You have

him as tight end three. I have a mistide in two. We both had him unanimous tight end one. That's right. Going into the season. Now, I think it is worth mentioning this because I want to hear you break him down first, but I think it is worth mentioning this. He is listed at 6-4-240 pounds. when he was at Purdue, he was an unreal receiver.

We talked about the movement skills, the route running, the short area quickness, a playmaker after the catch. And then I looked up his size at Purdue. Dude, he was like 225. And I think 6-3? Do I have that right?

I can't remember what they had to list at. But he was like 225, 2.30 when he was at Purdue. So now when you watch him at Ohio State and, one, the context of they have Cornell, Tate and Jeremiah Smith, so they weren't going to throw in the ball anyways. But they had Max Clare blocking a ton. And you go, okay, hold on a second. You're a better blocker this year with Ohio State. Yeah, he is.

But you're not as you're not the receiver. You were Purdue. It's important to remember, I think they slapped about 10, 15 pounds on this dude. And they're like, hey, we need you. Yeah, we need you to be a better inline blocker for us. So the tight end that you and I evaluated over the summer, when you're fluctuating 10, 15 pounds like that, when you only weigh about 240 pounds,

that's a major difference in how your body is able to move. So I just wanted to throw out that context for the people who have been listening to the show since this summer, knowing how high we were on him as a receiver and sort of what might have changed. But talk to me about Max Clare and what you've seen from him now at this point in time. I said over summer, I thought this was Sam Leporta. Right away, I was like, wow, this is a player that is built like him, plays like him. You see the agility in the routes, how to get on top of coverage, how to separate,

seamless transition when he catches the ball to running in the open field. that competitive nature on the line of scrimmage opened up so many opportunities. And Ohio State did do this with him for all the flaws that they didn't do with him where he chips and he's a late release and then it's like you're just leaking out. You could use that with him.

But. Jeremy says Sam La Pounder. Sam La Pounda? Oh, man. Fools, all of you. You're absolute fools. There's no doubt the problem. production this year the lack there of was disappointing now there are plenty of instances on film

that saying just misses him like he doesn't see him and you could talk yourself into like claire is still the same guy the weight thing is a really good point out Trevor i think as long speed is mediocre i do i don't think he's going to run like some of these other guys i don't think he's a crazy explosive athlete no i think he's a really nice all around athlete yeah when you watch watch him work short to intermediate routes. You're like, okay. He's awesome. He's really, really awesome.

So, and once again, he's not really a big tight end. But I love how he stays square as a blocker. Yep. In the zone game at split zone, I love what I see. Like if you're like, we're a zone heavy team, Max Claire can block in your scheme. Absolutely. If you need, once again, like Jackson Hawes on your offensive line, that's not smart. to just think Max Clare is going to do that.

But he maximizes his strength. That's what I like about Max Clare. He gets every ounce of strength out of his body by driving his legs, staying square, working through the frame. So that's why I didn't. It wasn't a great year for Max Clair, but we didn't move off of him

as much as people might expect from summer. No. I think as funny as it is to say this, I think him going to Ohio State was actually the best thing for him because very clearly now he is playing at a weight that is more sustainable

to being able to be an impact player and get on the field at the NFL level. I also think they really improved his ability as a blocker. Look, are you going to put him one-on-one with defensive ends on the backside? No, you're not. But like you mentioned, in space, as a lead blocker,

as a split zone blocker, as somebody who is aligned in the slot and they're running a screen to the outside and then he gets to just block somebody in space. You mentioned how coordinated he is and how he gets guys between the shoulders in space. I love that from him. You know, some of the defensive ends that are, that he has to block, are they stacking and shedding him and disengaging decently quickly? Yeah, but again, linebackers, safety is corners. He's blocking these guys up pretty good. He's able to get some good leg drive and really

displace these guys. So I actually think that this, for as much as he was not used as a receiver, actually great in the long run for him. And so when I was watching him before at Purdue, it was like, damn, if he is adequately sized for an NFL tight end, this dude's moving insanely well. And then you find out, okay, he's operating it a little bit lighter of a weight. And now his profiles change with him at Ohio State. I'm not as high on him as I was during the summer. But I do still think that this is a potential tight end one type of a player at the NFL level. Do I think that he could have, like, like we talked about him a little bit during the summer. I don't want to put words in your mouth, but the way that he was, the way that he moved at

Purdue. I thought it'd be a first round pick coming out of summer. You're like, okay, is this Colston Loveland again? Yeah. Like, is this who we're watching here? And no, he's not that player. But I do think that he could be a starting tight end at the NFL level. And I actually think that funny enough, the lack of receiving production, but bolstering the blocking production really helped him out. And I think that he's still going to be a good player in the league. Yeah. Last guy? Yeah, number one.

All right. Kenyon, Sadiq. Yeah. The tight end from Oregon, six foot three, 250 pounds. A true junior technically does not have to be in this class. We assume that he is going to be because if he is, he's going and Sadiq will be in this class going to get drafted in the top 20 yeah so you heard it here first um shocker must credit the at nfl stock exchange podcast four star athlete uh from idaho played receiver and defensive back when he

was in high school three consecutive state championships from 2020 2021 and 22 uh also participated in basketball and uh no shock to watching him on the field and how athletic he is he was also a track guy 11-04 100 meter dash played in all 14 games in 2023 all 14 games in 2024 and then he has been a consistent starter for them this past season he was number 11 on bruce feldman's freak list for 2025 quote he vertical jumped 41 and a half inches this summer also power cleaned 365 what's idaho bench pressed 35 pounds. What do you mean what's Idaho?

What he has never had potatoes before? Yeah, right. Get with it. Come on. You guys never been on a proper bulk before. You got to be able to eat potatoes. They make you feel full. Kenyon, Mr. Potato Head, Sadiq, the daughter said.

So I think a lot of people look at Kenyon Sadieke, and it looks like he was built in a lab. It really does. And he'll test that way. And he will test that way as well. And yet, it felt disappointing this year, looking at some of the numbers that he had, looking at maybe a little bit of lack of production, somebody in the chat, which by the way, we're going to read the super chats after the show like we always do.

Somebody was asking like, hey, like, what's up with these tight ends, not really producing the way that you want to at the college level? Does this mean that they all just stink? And I don't think that that's the case. But I think that it's going to be a long conversation about Sadiq, who I think he's tight end one. but I am very open to admitting that that is still him needing to grow into the impact player that you would want as a tight end one. But what do you think about him as also your top ranked tight end for this class?

He's just such a dynamic athlete and I like the mentality as a blocker. It's not that once again, like these, it's how you use. them as a blocker right when you turn on the tape this is somebody trevor that they've put in the backfield in a lead blocking kind of role before or get him in motion and run like an end around or an outside zone kind of play and he's out in front but the reason you're drafting kenyon sedique is you think he can be a mismatch weapon against your against linebackers and defensive backs because no linebacker is going to be able to run with them. No linebacker.

If I said 4-4-5, you go over-under on his 40. 4-4-5? Yeah. That's a good number. Dude, I might take the under. I probably over, just because. 30s, that's usually the safer play. Yeah, yeah.

I think he's going to fly. Going to fly. He's a hell of an athlete. Crazy athlete. He did get a lot better this. So many people are like acting disappointed with him. And if you watch Oregon's offense, that's not just to put on him all the time. It's not like he's Trey McBride of Colorado State where they're just going to throw him 150 targets.

You know what I mean? Right. Right, yeah. So to me, he's getting bigger and stronger. You could play him at multiple alignments. He's a freak athlete. I like the trajectory the blocking is on. I think he's got the right demeanor.

He blocks through the whistle. And you get him some manufactured touches. This dude is dangerous with the ball in his hands because he's got the jet fuel off those little tight-end screens. Or even throw them true wide receiver screens. It's just, the game is, the game is about mismatch players and Kenyan Sadiq is a mismatch player. I think, I think that perfectly encapsulates it. I really do.

He didn't have the production that I think that his athletic potential would have allowed him to have. I think that there are reasons for that. I thought he would be more productive this year. I thought they would lean into him a little bit more, but they keep him on the line of scrimmage because of how well he can block. and that's like held it feels like that's almost held against him right which is insane because all summer everybody's like well kenyon sadique might not really be a real tight end i don't know if he could block right so what which is it i i feel like people don't like kenyon sedique i i am i am very hesitant on him overall because i would have liked to see more from him this

year but he's too athletically talented to not draft in the top 20 the game is two built around mismatch players to take a player who is as gifted as he is and not draft him in the top 20 especially in this draft class so so like I just I look at little things even even as a blocker as a receiver where I'm looking for I wish he was a little bit more creative after the catch even those yards after catch stuff is good just because he's a really good athlete I wish he was a little bit more creative I wish you made you miss a little bit more for how athletic. I agree with that. I wish that he, I wish that he maintained blocks a little bit better against defensive linemen. Now he's a little bit lighter. You know, he's sitting

around, well, I guess he's 250 pounds. So if he's legit 250 pounds, I wish that he would hold up a little bit better against some of those bigger defensive linemen. So like there's little things here and there. I wish that he would have been utilized a little bit more in the passing game, especially with a top three overall pick guy that you have a quarterback in Dante Moore. Right. But he's just too talented, in my opinion. It is funny. He's just too talented. There are too many times where I watch him and I go,

Vernon Davis, who else are we comping him to? It's hard. He's, he, the explosiveness, the overall athletic ability, the top speed, the burst, the contested catch stuff, who he is as a blocker who Davis was early on in his NFL career. I don't think he's going to go six like Davis did in this draft. But, man, we had him go like 26. And our mock draft. There's just not a lot of players who possess the mismatch potential that he does.

And I think in a game where finding those guys could sometimes make all the difference in the world of your offense, even if he's not quite a polished player, as a blocker or a receiver, he's good at both. But even if he's not as polished as you wanted to be, you kind of take this guy and you just go, let's develop him as best that we can. because if we do, we're just going to get a special, special player. Yeah. I don't think people always ask these questions naturally. I wouldn't have him over Warren or Loveland, but...

I don't think I would have either. I want to make that very clear. And I think that's always the easiest way to kind of bring context to what you think of the player. But it's a different tight end class. And it's a different draft class in terms of like the overall talent at the top. And I think Sadiek's got, like you said, You said top 20. We had him fall a little bit in our mock draft,

but he's an undeniable first rounder. Yeah, I think so. I think so, too. All right, there we go. Let us know, folks. We would love to hear from you. Let us know what you thought on our tight-end rankings that you guys can see there on the screen.

Actually, I'll recap it for you. Number eight for me, Josh Kwaivis from Alabama. Number seven, Sam Roush from Stanford. Number six, Merlin, or Marlon Klein from Michigan. Number five, Justin Jolie from NC State. Number four, you last hours from Vanderbilt. Three Jack Endries from Texas. Two, Max Clare from Ohio State.

and then number one is Kenyon Sadiq from Oregon. Number eight, Carson Ryan from BYU, seven Eli Stowers from Vanderbilt, six, Dayquan Wright from Ole Miss, five, Justin Jolie from NC State, four Sam Roush from Stanford, three, Max Clare from Ohio State, and two, Eli Raredin from Notre Dame, finally, number one, just like you, Trev, Kenyon Sadiq from Oregon. Actually, here's something good in the chat. Is Sadiq a better prospect than Mason Taylor or Harold Fannin?

prospect yes i would have put i would have put i would have put sidic over both of those guys he has a way higher ceiling but understandably he probably has a lower floor you know you know it's funny i went back to watch harold fanning junior uh at at bowling green recently because i had him i had him like is a you know a fringe top 100 player yeah i kind of sat on the fence with that one he's he's he's playing incredible for for the browns he's more fluid in the NFL than he was at bowling green i agree man I'm like, this is not, this is not the same play. What I didn't, what I, what worried me about Harold Fanon is that he was a receiving type of like, like X Factor offensive weapon who I didn't love how he moved laterly. I know.

So I don't, I don't love putting a guy in that spot if they're not agile. You get to Cleveland Browns, dude's agile. I don't know if he just started doing yoga a lot during the summer or what you, it was just getting in the lab about it. but it's almost like, like Kyle Munung guy. You, you, you and I liked Kyle Manungi. You liked him obviously a lot more than I did. But like, I watch Kyle Minungi for the Bears now. And I'm like, dude, you got more juice now and you did at Rutgers.

Yeah. I'm watching you outrun people in the NFL better than you did when you were at Rutgers. It's less tired. So players are allowed to change and things like that. But it was just funny. I remember going back to watch Harold Fanon for that specific reason because he had such an unbelievable rookie year. I'm like, dude, if I were to evaluate Harold Fanon again right now from his bowling green tape,

I was like, I'd probably have the same conclusion I did before the draft. Yeah, I don't have like a weird regret or anything. No, he's just better. He just got better and credit to him. By the way, I've seen a lot of comments in the chat naming tight ends like Joe Royer and Tanner Coziel. And guys, this show will be on the feed after it's done. Yes. Start in the beginning.

We talked about all of these guys. They weren't in the top eights where Trevor and I watched way more than just eight. We talked about all. There really hasn't been many tight ends mentioned in the chat that one of us hasn't watched.

So if you want to hear more of those, you missed the beginning. We got you covered. We're also going to read a bunch of the super chats here at the end of the show in the after the episode portion. If you're listening to this after watching this after the fact and you miss it,

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