NFL Stock Exchange: An NFL Draft Podcast - Early Defensive Tackles Rankings For 2026 NFL Draft (Summer Scouting)

Episode Date: August 15, 2025

Trevor Sikkema and Connor Rogers continue the Summer Scouting Series for the 2026 NFL Draft by breaking down their top 10 interior defensive linemen. (00:00) Intro (15:28) Bear Alexander (20:52) Zane Durant (29:33) Rayshaun Benny (31:39) Albert Regis (35:06) DeMonte Capehart (42:08) Dontay Corleone (52:33) Darrell Jackson Jr. (58:23) Tim Kennan III (1:02:29) David Oke (1:08:30) Domonique Orange (1:18:47) Christen Miller (1:22:52) Caleb Banks (1:30:53) Peter Woods (1:36:04) Show Wrap-Up

On the flight back from Dublin to Charlotte, so it's a seven-and-a-half-hour flight. Guy two rows in front of me, he went Interstellar, the Dark Night, Gladiator. Oh, my God. I almost asked him to come on the pod. Can I sit with you? Yeah, I almost asked him to come on the pod. Like, you swapped, like, hopefully he was sitting with his wife, and you're like, hey, you tap her on the shoulder. You're like, hey, can you sit with my wife and I can watch movies with your husband? Welcome to the opening bell, the NFL Stock Exchange podcast.

God, it feels good to say those words again. I'm Trevor Sykima. With me, as always, is Connor Rogers. Today we're doing interior defensive linemen. After a long hiatus, which I appreciate you guys, being patient with us through the summer months as we're kind of putting a little bit of a break and some PTO for both of us in between the summer scouting series,

but we promise that we get to a couple more positions. and here we're doing interior defensive line. By popular demands. Right. We left this up to the people. And interior defensive line got the most votes. And I think tight end was kind of like second. And we'll get to tight end.

We'll talk about tight ends, we promise. But buddy, it's good to see you. It's good to be back in front of the camera and the mic. It's good to be back doing this again. How the heck are you, my friend? I'm good, man. I'm excited. It kind of feels like football is back.

We're getting to see a lot of the rookies in the preseason. We're back. It was one of our longer breaks we've had in a while. it was a good little reset for me as well got through a lot of this interior defensive line class i feel like i actually have a pretty not filled out top 50 but position rankings are looking really beefy right now so we are in it we're ready for actual college games to be played who cares about me though how are you you were the the mr international mr worldwide is kind of i don't i don't really want to know i don't want to give you the cliche of like what was your

favorite part of the trip because you're going to get that from seven 25 different people you talked to over the next week. What was the weirdest thing you encountered on the trip? What was something so strange or foreign to you that you kind of just were left thoughtless or didn't really know what to do? Oh, wow. Okay.

Did you have any language barrier moments or none of those? Yeah, of course we did. So my wife and I, so the place that we went to, this was like a three week honeymoon slash vacation with friends that we kind of like combined into everything. We went to Spain, Portugal, England, France, Ireland. Golf looked amazing. Let me just say it.

The golf, brother, the golf was phenomenal. Shout out. I had to be Ireland. It looked like Ireland. Yes, yes. Yeah. Played twice in Ireland, played the Hoth golf course out in Hoth, just outside of Dublin. Oh, lovely place.

What did you say? I said lovely place. Have you, wait, have you been? Yes, I have. It's one of my favorite places I have. have been to. Are you saying like Dublin specifically? No, no, Hoth.

Oh, dude. The views and everything from Hoth were unbelievable. And then we played Connemara golf course. I actually didn't shoot like dog shit, which was great, which I was, which I was very excited about because what did you say? With rentals. No, brother. You brought the clubs?

Yeah, I brought the clubs. Yeah, I brought the clubs. Yeah. For like three weeks? No, so. Okay, okay. The first two weeks was just my wife and I. That was most of like the honeymoon part of things that we wanted to do.

And then the last leg of the trip, a great couple friend of ours, my wife's maid of honor and her husband, who we are fantastic friends with. They came over and they met us for a week. And so they were kind enough to bring my clubs as he also brought his clubs. That is an insane friend move. Yeah. Like that is a big ups, Evan. Evan, you are the goat, my man.

That is such a nice friend move. I kind of wish you lied there. Like, yeah, I was just smashing rentals out there. Just watching them fly. So I shot the three rounds that I had before I went on this trip. I shot 102, 105, 106. I could knock it out of my own head. I couldn't put worth of damn.

So many of my drives were going OB. Like, I was having a horrendous time. I was down bad for those first three rounds. And then at Hoth, I shot 91, which I was. Very happy with. Yeah. And then at Connemara, I shot 89. Dude.

So now, we got very, very lucky because Connemara is a very difficult course if it is windy. And it's almost always windy. It's classic Ireland. It's right off the water. The course looks exactly what you would think about if you close your eyes and pictured playing golf in Ireland. It narrow fairways. And if you don't hit it in the fairway, you're absolutely screwed. And thankfully, we just did not have a lot of wind.

And so we were actually able to play a stable round of golf. And so, yeah, that was, that was a joy. Shout out to all, I want to say this too, shout out to all the NFL SE addicts that are either in the UK or in Ireland. I had so many of you guys message me, mainly on Instagram, because I didn't really tweet when I was, you know, because I always kind of, I always think of Twitter is sort of work at this point in time. So when I'm doing more vacation stuff, I'm much more on Instagram. And I was tweeting a lot of, or I was, I was posting a bunch of stuff. sort of like where we were eating, playing golf. How many attempts I had at splitting the G with the Guinness when we were in Ireland.

It was my favorite thing I was watching for weeks. Took me five tries. Took me five tries to do it. But we nailed it. I had so many of you guys reach out to me. And, you know, obviously I didn't have time to meet up with you guys. But you were very gracious to sort of extend your invites of going to get food or drink or something like that. And I promise that I and maybe even we will be over in that area again soon because it's a beautiful area of the world.

and just, yeah, just wanted to shout at everybody who reached out and said, like, hey, I'm an NFL SEA addict from all the way over here. It was so, so cool to hear that from everybody. So shout out to the international addicts out there. All right, my last question, because I've never golfed overseas, is there anything different that you noticed etiquette-wise? Or is also like every course here, it just feels like it's just jammed in the summer, just jammed?

Is there a little nicer gap pace of play? Anything different with etiquette? So there is. That's kind of the sense I get. We got extremely lucky. When we played Hoth, so we played Hoth first, their driving range was closed that day. And so the guy at the pro shop

sort of made it sound like they were wide open because of that. And it was literally just Evan and I. Like it was Evan and I, like, we didn't have two people who also joined our group. Yeah. So it was literally just the two of us. And it felt, it genuinely felt,

we golfed early. Our tea time was like 8, 10. And it felt like we had the whole course to ourselves. That's like it was, it was unbelievable, it was awesome. Literally a dream. Yeah. I will say this. I'd never experienced this in America before.

You have to reserve the golf cards ahead of time. Or they will sell out. Like we wanted to get a cart when we first got there and he's like, ah, I can't, they're already all reserved. And I was like, oh, I never even thought that that was a thing. So you hooked it? Like you walked it? Yes. Yes.

Oh, man. And it was hilly as hell, right? Wow. That is, see, that's exactly what I was asking. What is different? It's not just like, hey, if you have a, if you paid a green fee or green reservation, you have a cart. That's how it is here. Right, right. That's not how it is over there. You got to, you got to reserve the carts as well as your tea time. Well, that's because we're fat Americans. Like, we just assume... Yeah, we're slops. We're slops. We're fat Americans. We assume we show up and we don't have

to do any actual exercising. We're over there, they're like, hey, it's assumed, unless you want to, want a different, that you're going to be exercising today. You're going to be walking. And we got our steps in, for sure. We did rent a car, by the way. So we did experience driving on the left-hand side as well as on the other side of the vehicle. Nerve-wracking. Yeah, I won't do it.

Ireland. What's up with the tiny roads? Come on. Can we get some taxes? Can we get some taxes in there and expand those bad boys? I'm just kidding. I'm just kidding. I know I sound like an ignorant American, but holy cow, did we have some close calls with our vehicle?

and driving on the left side for the first time. And you're just like, I mean, the lanes for some of these country roads are literally as big as the car. And it made for an entertaining ride from Galway to Dublin and back. I love it, man. I'm glad you had a great time. Thank you. It's good to have you back, but it truly looked like kind of a trip of a lifetime vibes.

It was a lot of fun. I've got stories for days at visiting those other countries. So if anybody is listening from France or Spain or Portugal or any of those countries, I would love to hear from you. Would love to hear from you in the comments. Let us know where you're listening from if you're listening for overseas. Like I said, to everybody that reached out when they sort of saw that I was in your city or in your country.

It was just really cool. It was really cool. Obviously, like, we're just two dudes on here that love to talk about the NFL draft and love to talk about football. But it really does feel like a family and a community when stuff like that happens. So I love you guys. I appreciate all that. But it's good to be back.

And it's good to be talking interior defensive linemen here with you. We're going to give you guys our top tens. but as always, we're going to try to save a little bit of time at the end, get us some guys that did not make the list. Before we get to that, though, I got to say this. It may be preseason, but PFF Plus subscribers, they're already betting in mid-season form. You guys can save by joining them right now.

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10 to 6. And then they'll go a little roundtable on those guys. What do you got? All right. 10 to 6 here. I'm going to start at 10 with Michigan's Ray Sean Benny, who has been there for a bit now. No, there's just no way.

We're off and running, folks. We're so back. You can't script it. You can't... I'm not... I swear God, I'm not doing this for show. I did not watch this player. I mean, to be fair,

this is the show that I've been home for three weeks while you've been traveling the world. I watch 16 guys! I kind of... I watch nine guys on the worst international plane Wi-Fi I've ever used. You might have watched him then and you just didn't know it. You were just seeing glitched bubbles the whole time. Yeah, there's Ray Sean Benny down there.

Ray Sean Benny from Michigan, he's been there for a bit now. But obviously, they've had multiple first round talents playing on that defensive line as well. So he's been a rotational player. Number nine, a return to summer scouting from last year, Clemson's DeMonte Capehart. Okay. He was on last year's show. Loads of talent. Yeah, six year dude.

Six year dude. there's a couple guys I watch for this exercise of the 17 players I watch where I was like, damn, how do you get a six year? Okay, I was just about to ask you that. Yeah, for quite a few. Because I don't think he got hurt, right? No.

So he redshirted his first year. He only played like four games. Red shirted his first year. Yeah. Second year, he barely hurt last year, but it wasn't, most of times his guys like tear their knee. He played 11 games.

Yeah, he played 11 games. I think it was an ankle injury that he missed three or four games. The second year that he played, he only played like five games, and he was just a backup. And then he was rotational player, rotational player, and then he started half the year last year, but he played 11 games. And he's back. This was one where I was like, how are we doing this? NCAA, what are we doing?

I don't understand the waiver system. No. Because it feels like sometimes guys file and they're just like, no, screw you. And you're like, that guy should get another year. And then other times there's guys going for year six and seven. And it's like, how do they keep getting away with this? Decorri Crosky Merrick can't play for Arizona but DeMonte K Park can play a six year

All due respect to DeMante K Part I'm glad for him, I'm happy for him Yeah, there is a few guys in the interior here D-line class like that I think Bryson Eason on Tennessee I need to double check that one I think he is another six year player Let me guess he's also a player that you watched

I did but he's not in my top 10 So So all right Which means that means there's probably somebody That you have that I didn't watch So, Demonte K part, he's number nine on that very talented Clemson defensive line. My goodness.

Number eight, Penn State's Zane Durant. Okay. I knew you watched him. Yeah. It was a really interesting combo about him. Number seven, I think this is kind of the defensive line version of Jalen Catalan, the godfather, Cincinnati's Dante Corleone. Where did you have him?

I had him at seven. I also had him at seven. Yeah. So had the blood. Claude issue last summer going into the season, but he's back in college and looking to finish his college career strong. And then number six for me is Florida States. Derell Jackson Jr. Or is it Daryl Jackson Jr.? I want to. Oh, I would say Dorell. I think it's Dorel. Dorel Jackson Jr. I was obviously, for their problems last year, Florida State, they had some

talent on the defensive line. Derell Jackson Jr. is number six for me. I mean, I thought Jackson Jr. was better than Josh Farmer. I learned that quite clearly. Yeah. While watching this, I was like, because I liked Farmer last year for what he was during that draft process, but when you watch them play together,

and I mean, obviously in a pretty thick group I had in number six, I was like, man, this guy is pretty impressive. So for me, I'll list off my 10, and then I think we could talk about a handful of these guys. So 10, this is a player that I'm almost confident that you probably didn't watch him. Bear Alexander, did you watch him?

I did not. Okay, but it's, yeah, I mean, there's obviously the long combo here. He's on my list. Yeah. But it's, and I have watched him when he plays football. Correct. Right. The thing is, there was nothing new to watch, basically.

Right. There's, there's not a ton to talk about with Bear Alexander. He is a redshirt junior now. And he is at Oregon. He is on his third program already as a redshirt junior. But, like, always massive programs. Like, you never resets it, like, he started at Georgia. I don't want to insult the school. Yeah.

He started at Georgia. I had to stop myself there. See, now I want to know. Now I want to know what school you would have said. Oh, Florida Gators. Ah, you son of it. So he started at Georgia. He played in 12 games as a true freshman.

He was a four-star slash five-star defensive tackle. He went to IMG. I mean, like, this dude. Huge deal. He's extremely talented. We talked about him last year. If this is your first time, like, hearing about Bay of Alexander, like, we talked about him a lot last year. Very high recruit, won a state title when he was in Texas, transferred

it over to IMG, and IMG, I mean, you got to be damn good to transfer into IMG and play at IMG. He goes to Georgia. Obviously, Georgia Stack is able to play in 12 games as a true freshman on that defensive line, which is really saying something. Then he transfers because of, from everything that I've heard and read, and I out. Like, it was simply a, hey, who's going to give me? And I don't know if it was the most. So I don't want to, I don't want to spread necessarily like misinformation, but it kind of has felt like he's very interested in

making the most of how much he can make every single year and basically thinking that he's a free agent every year. And I think the conversation about Bayer Alexander that you were sort of alluding to when we started to talk about him is you don't have to fault kids for that.

That's the way that the system is set up. But there's a lot of coaches in the NFL they ain't going to like that. There's a lot of lot of general managers in the NFL that are going to have a lot of questions of whether or not you are a team dude because specifically at USC last year he played in the first three games at USC didn't like his playing time rotation and he said all right I'm out I'm redshirting right and that's what he did he pulled himself out and he took he voluntarily took a redshirt

and now he goes to Oregon now the thing about Barry Alexander and the reason why we're still talking about him and the reason why through all of that I still have him at number 10 I think I had him within my top 10 last year he might have been my top eight last year when we did our summer scouting. The kid's good. The kid's really good. I mean, the measurable, six foot three, three hundred thirteen pounds. I mean, that's right around 50th percentile for height. I think his arms are longer than his six foot three frame. The weight, anything over 310 is pretty good for a defensive tackle even in the NFL. I think he generates speed to power very quickly. Light and quick first step. He's got those long arms, knows how to stack and

hold guys to the long arm, knows how to peek his eyes in the backfield and strip guys off of him to make tackles at the line of scrimmage. He's really quick. with, especially when he can execute a, um, like a rip move or a club move with good timing and get into the backfield. I mean, a lot of that stuff, it's really good NFL level type of stuff. It's just the fact that the dude's on his third program at this point. And, like you said, they're powerhouse programs. Not just powerhouse programs. They're, their powerhouse head coaches. It's Kirby Smart. It's Lincoln Riley. Now it's Dan Lanning. Like he, like, he's not just, he's not just doing this to like any old program. And probably big time money. I mean, it's, he's

moving for power program and the power program. So I should want to see him on the field, man. Play a full season. I hope that he is super motivated, that he is super committed, that we get to see him for a full season at Oregon because this is a guy who has NFL level talent, legit NFL level talent. Like, I'm serious. Potential top 50 NFL talent. We just got to see it for a full year. So I ended up with him at number 10. I figured that I would have him there. I wasn't sure if you were going to have him on the list, but we had to have that conversation. I mean, he falls into my classic bucket until you start playing football and you know doing all the things that we were promised you would do i just i don't view you as a high end prospect even though i know

you're supposed to be he is supposed to be he's supposed to be in our top three on this list by now yes and i agree and here we are you know so hopefully he puts it all together at oregon has a big year that we know he can have uh the thing that the thing that um people forget is that playing football is important to being a good football player. People do forget that. But that's why we're here. We're here to remind people of that. Nine to have Zane Durant from Penn State.

Eight, I have Albert Regis from Texas. Oh, I didn't watch him. Okay, all right, all right. We'll have a good combo about him. Number seven, I got the Godfather, Dante Corleone. And then number six, Derell Jackson Jr. Wow, we had, we had Durant, Corleone, and Jackson, Jr. All in the same, we had those three in a four-player stretch.

I have a bad feeling that we're going to have the exact same thing. top five. I will be shocked. Oh. No, not shocked. Maybe that's a stretch. I mean, we definitely have three. I know we have three of the same five. Like, no doubt. I think, maybe I'm wrong. Maybe I'm wrong. All right. So, you won't talk about anything? Maybe I'm just trying to drum up interest in the show, so nobody. Yeah, you got to do it. Yeah, you got to do it. No, it's smart. It's why you're a showman. It's why you're the

greatest showman even. Oh, geez. You're too calm. You just off. You stop it. You lost you Jackman You bum N of LSD Yeah well I mean We haters if Hugh Jack Could you see the awful announcing article

NFLSC calls Hugh Jackman in quotes A bum I mean people are clicking Oh I'm clicking I want to know And I recorded the show Why did we say that Now I have to avoid Hugh Jackman for the

my life, great. No, we get them on the program. That's how we make that happen. All right, so there's what we said about you. What's your response? So you had Zane Durant from Penn State at 8? I did. Okay, I have him at 9.

So this is somebody who, let me see this. I'm looking at the consensus board really quick, as people can probably hear me typing because I type like an absolute madman. He's going to be a popular preseason prospect. because of the style of player he is. Yeah, so the consensus board, if you go to NFL mock draft database,

which is a good resource. So I think a lot of people ask about, hey, you know, I really want to start getting to the NFL draft a little bit deeper. You know, what are some ways that you could do that? Or what are some ways that I could do that? I always tell people that YouTube's a great place to start.

Just like being able to watch full games. We used to have cutups a lot. Like I know a lot of like former draft and people who were into the NFL draft, like we used to get cutups on YouTube a lot of certain players. We don't really get that nearly as much anymore, but I think that you can still find full games to be able to get a good feel for what these prospects are if you can go find their full games on YouTube and just focus in on those. And then this is an example, NFL mock draft database.com is a really good, at least baseline. That'll give you the names. Like, it's,

it is such a big pool of players who are in a certain draft class. And even though you don't have to agree with the rankings, like I don't agree with a lot of the rankings, it's a consensus board. You know, it's pooling from a lot of different sources and at least give you you the names that you want. They've got Zane Durant through their data and all the collection of things. They have him at number 61. I think that's really high for Zane Durant, but I also know that a lot of other places. I think that NFL Drap Buzz as well is really high on Zane Durant. That they have him pretty high. I was pretty surprised at how, um, I feel like disappointed's the wrong word. Underwhelmed was mine. That's a,

that's a, that's a, that's certainly a better word. Um, he was number eight. Bruce Feldman's Freak list this year. And the little excerpt from Feldman's Freaks list is the 6'1, 290 pounds senior from Florida, has run a 46640, and says a max velocity of over 21 miles an hour. He's clocked a 4-4-3 shuttle time,

broad jump 9 foot 10 inches, and vertical jumped over 30 and a half inches. He's bench pressed 220, bench press, sorry, 400, 425 pounds, and squatted 660. This off-season, he also Power clean, 345 pounds.

Connor, I'll let you start with him. You got him at number eight. I got him at number nine. Just want to kind of give that little primer to him as a player. But what did you think of Zane Durant as we started this conversation here? Right. I mean, he's, and when you see the size, you start to think it right away. 6-1-290 pounds.

He's more gap shooting attack mode, one-gap penetrator type interior defensive lineman. The arm length is, you know, I have it at 32. and eighth so smaller interior defensive linemen shorter arms when i look at when i read some of these numbers obviously for pressures and everything like that i use our pff database but sometimes i also read numbers that are from the official stat book from that goes to sports reference he had 11 tackles for loss and three sacks last year uh in that which 11 tfls like that's very 11 official tackles for loss that's insanely impressive there's not a lot of guys in this group that you'll hear about today, they'd even sniff that.

His father Marcus played football at Florida A&M in the 90s from 1990 to 1995. One sister played basketball at FIU, another sister ran track for UCF. This is a very, very athletic family. And, you know, you said it. Former force that recruited out of the state of Florida. Did you mention shot put for him? I don't think I did. He finished in eighth in states in Florida for the shot put.

So pretty. And he did wrestling too, didn't he? Did he? Did he? Yeah, just a very impressive app. athlete all around. And you see that on tape. He's quick, he's twitchy, kind of an unorthodox mover from the interior alignments. You know, when you think of guys over the years, and this is no way comparing him to these guys, but when you think of the first time you watch a Kalaja Kansi

and these gap shooters like that, you turn on the tape and you go, okay, when guards and center see a guy like this, they have to play a lot different than when they go against these heavier power kind of players. They're just movement skills are on a different level. for the interior and he's somebody that he's explosive off the ball his game is i'm going to get off the ball i'm going to try to shoot gaps i can slither through blockers like i'm kind of greasy around the shoulders that's my game i'm i'm a leverage monster because i'm six foot one he's pretty agile he's pretty explosive in the short area he can kind of slip around blocks after that though there's a lot to work on right going back to he's underside

with short arms for an interior defensive lineman. There's not a lot of power in his arsenal. When you watch him win and he has some explosive wins, there's not a lot of times where he's just out there speed to power against players. And you know, I didn't think that I would see it like that, but I do. I agree with you. I think when he's asked to hold the point of attack, like against a single block, for example, he's pretty damn strong.

I mean, I think you see a lot of that weight room warrior stuff show up when he's, he's asked to hold the line of scrimmage against a single block. Now, obviously, if he's taken on double teams, he's 290 pounds. So he's not going to hold up against double teams very well, which I think sort of goes into his defensive tackle label, which also, like, he's a really tough prospect to place at a position for. Because you mentioned collagicancy. Collegiatey, he's the best case scenario for him,

but he doesn't win like collagiccancy. No. You know? And so instead, I have to look at somebody who doesn't really, have the necessary mass to play nose tackle, and yet they play him a nose tackle a lot, which I think they're just, I think they just try to make up for the matchup of the center and the guards and having both A gap so that he can split at any time. I think that's what they're going for because he doesn't really hold up super well against

double teams. He doesn't really have the pass rush arsenal to be a good three technique that you would want him to be. No. And even then he would be undersized and doesn't have the length there. I kind of think he's got to move the edge. I would agree with you. I think it would be more effective, a bigger edge, a big end.

Because for as much as, and maybe weight adjusted, I'm not, I'm not thinking about this correctly. But when I saw Feldman's numbers and he said that he only jumped 30 and a half inches in the vert, that kind of surprised me. Because for a guy who's as freakishly strong as him, you've got to be able to turn those weight room numbers into translatable. like athletic feats and I just don't see I just did not see him do it as much as I thought I was going to so I just go back to your word underwhelmed well where I really came to that conclusion you know because obviously there's these moments of greatness is that conference championship slash CFB playoff stretch Oregon Boise State Notre Dame not great honestly yeah Honestly, I watched all three games, and that's how I finished the session because I wanted to start earlier in the year where he had some big games.

And he was a liability against the run, a liability, and not good enough because he doesn't have counter moves as a pass rusher. And Penn State can play him the way they do because they typically have great offball linebacking talent. But, yeah, that if he wants to be like the prospect that a lot of people are projecting him to be, he's going to have to play. his best football in the biggest matchups and I thought that was the biggest red flag for me on the tape watch. I agree. I agree with you. I was just, um, I was a little underwhelmed about just the play-by-play impact from him. Um, even though it says that he hit 21 miles an hour last season at some point, I felt as though the pursuit speed to the sideline wasn't as good as I thought it was going to be for a 290 pounder who is sort of like praises this incredible athlete. So you mentioned there

there are some plays where he shoots a gap and he's he's a lot of fun but outside of those splash plays um there's a lot that you'd be worried about if he was a full time started in the NFL so I think you sort of got to continue to figure that out maybe that's maybe that's a little bit of the feedback that he got from the NFL which is why he's still um here and we're talking about it for summer scouting again this year I felt like there was one other guy that you had mentioned I had Ray Sean Benny on Michigan yeah okay dive into him a little bit and I'll talk about him quickly and then we'll toss to you for the godfather maybe some durel jackson we'll talk about capehart um benny he's a fifth year senior at michigan six three three hundred arms are just a

pinch under 34 inches 33 and 7 8th i'm sure nice with the you know techniques they have today for the combine he can get to that 34 i mean seriously they'll find a way to get 34 inch arms out of him looks a lot better on paper he's been a rotational defensive lineman for me Michigan the last two years. Obviously, Mason Graham and Kenneth Grant have been there logging a lot of snaps. This is a former four-star recruit out of Detroit, Michigan. Kind of a read and react run-defending defensive lineman. He plays from a five-tech down to a three-tech. That's how they like to utilize him in that rotational role. I really like his pound-for-pound strength for his size. When you see 6-3-300, you're like, okay, you know, a lot of guys, especially down to a

three-tech, those guys are going to be well over 300 pounds plenty of times. especially in the Big Ten, the way they play and the SEC. I think his pound-for-pound strength is even better than just a 300-pounder. You see some pocket pushing power as a pass rusher. So he understands how to be patient and re-and-react to defend the run responsibly. He's got the pocket-pushing power. But he is just more of a hold-the-fort-style defender to me, Trevor. He's not this guy that sheds the block, blows up the run.

It's more of a hold-the-point of a... attack, don't really give a lot of ground, and make sure if the run does come my way, there's not this huge rush lane developing. I think he's just an average athlete, which is kind of shocking when you watch Michigan, because it just feels like they roll line after line of the lead athlete. And that's why he doesn't make a ton of explosive plays. But he's a dirty work player that he'll have an expanded role this year. So it's kind of interesting because you talking about Benny is his last name, right?

Yeah. So you talking about him is very similar. to how I would talk about Albor Regis, who is 8th on my top 10 here. So he's a red shirt senior at Texas A&M this year, 6 foot 1, 310 pounds. When you look at sort of his journey in college football, redshirted his first year, but 11 games with 1 start the next year, 12 games with 1 start in 2023, and then he started all 13 games last year. He was one of the first guys out there.

He is the first guy that we're talking about on my list here that I have labeled as a nose tackle. So a lot of times we've talked about this here on this show in summer scouting. What I'm trying to do is I'm trying to get a little bit more detailed with how I'm categorizing these guys with positions. And defensive line, especially interior defensive line, a lot of times in today's NFL, they're going to rotate a lot. And so, you know, nose tackles, a lot of times they got to be able to play three tech as well. And sometimes three techs are kicking all the way out to five technique defensive end spots. And so there's a lot of versatility that tends to happen. But Regis is one of those guys that I have labeled as a nose tackle.

And for interior players, I have nose tacking. and then I have three technique defensive tackles. Those are two different categories that you can play in. Regist in that nose tackle spot. And he doesn't really have the length. But man, he's just really solid. He's a very solid player. When I look, strength and weaknesses for him real quick,

mass well distributed with size of power, especially in the lower half. You just look at this guy and he carries a lot of power and his glutes, his hamstrings, his quads. But a really great part about him is he's not super like high-waisted. Some of these guys have a little high-waisted build and it makes it tough for them to get down. that sometimes something I really don't like

about defensive tackles because leverage is so king when you're playing in the trenches. He knows how to get low and loaded on his toes with his quads loaded the launch and a three or a four point stance with really low pad level. So I love that about him. He's constantly the low man wins in that equation there. Really good hand placement.

I think he could shed blocks pretty quickly when he's throwing in some chops, you know, some rips, some clubs, some two-handed swipes, things like that. the thing about him and the reason why he's still here he's a redshirt senior and we're talking about him here instead of him in the NFL is I just don't think he's overly strong I don't think he's overly twitchy

he's just an okay athlete I think he just has border like good strength but maybe I should say adequate strength is a better word to use there it's just not imposing strength and he's sort of like you were talking about with Benny I don't know how many plays he's going to make in the backfield but I know he's going to have a good feel for where the ball is going good feel for where the blocking scheme is going. You're not really going to find this guy blown out of his gap or totally blown his assignment or something like that.

He may not be a one-on-one solo difference maker, but he's a really good player to be a depth guy and a rotational guy. And so that's sort of what I think about him very similarly the way that you talked about, Benny. Yeah, it's, you know, what's so interesting to me watching this many interior defensive linemen is I've almost started to largely not ignore numbers. Like, I still find pass rush win rate as a very effective number and certain analytics that lead you down the road.

But what some guys are asked to do compared to what others are enabled to do, you'll find a player and be like, this guy has almost no numbers, but he's just out there a total force in the middle of the defensive line. And that's what makes this specific position group such a fascinating watch when you start it compared to when you stare at the rankings in front of you that you compiled. Okay, before we get to The Godfather, well, actually, you want to touch on K Part real quick? Real quick. Yeah, just hit on him real quick and then we'll get to Corleone and Jackson. All right, so let me pull up my notes here for K Part. K part, 60 or senior, as we said, 6.4 and a half, 313 pounds, 33.5 inch arms. He's a big lad.

If you've watched Summer Scouting before, if you haven't, we'll rehash. He was a top 50 recruit in the 2019. class, 2019. You and I, our lives were very different back then. That's how long ago that was. This show certainly did not exist. The COVID pandemic didn't exist.

What were we doing in 20? What was I doing in 2019? So working at TDN. I was going to say, I was definitely a bleacher report. That was my last season on the road during college football. I just met my wife. He's playing a lot of call of duty.

Yeah. that's pretty much it actually you know yeah you know a lot of lean beef and rice yeah but you know but that's tonight you know that's tonight as well you know I got some ground got some ground turkey in the fridge you guys you know if you know you know my red meat and beer intake was a lot higher in 2019 than it is now life comes at you very fast so I'll never stop though I'll never stop this dude is he's he just looks massive on tape. Like he's got a wide frame.

He's a very wide lad. He's got a presence about him on the defensive line. Like a true nose tackle, shade kind of nose tackle player. He doesn't play. And this was what was interesting about him when we talked about him last year.

From 2022 to 2023, he only played 246 snaps. Yeah. Over a two year period. And then last year, when you figure, okay, like this is a fifth year of player, he only played 246 snaps in total last year and I know he was banged up for a couple games but

he just doesn't play a majority snap workload considering how talented he is and by now eventually like you probably looking like okay the staff knows something that we don't they know he's on a pitch count kind of situation with him that's how he's his at his best now obviously this is a defense that can do that because they're just stupidly loaded up front like it's it's insane um this is something that i think once again i hate to keep rehashing the last year and i need to look back more into this he had a weapons charge that was dismissed before spring ball in two thousand twenty four so i don't i don't know if he was away from the team during that time or what but that's in the past and it was dismissed um so like this is somebody that top 50 recruit

in his class i mg academy was really like superstar kind to recruit and he's just been a good player there for a long time now he he drives his body into blockers and just clogs the run that's kind of his game is that he's like i'm a force of nature i'm gonna just kind of engulf you and now the run won't come this way there are some just insane flashes of power where he bench he could bench press a center there's one-on-ones with centers where he could literally just bench press them off the ground the arm length is excellent like i thought One thing that he did very, very well is getting his arms, sorry, getting his hands up and inside and getting offensive linemen on their heels and then just being able to bulldoze them afterwards. Because I agree with you, there were flashes where he showed good power, but on a play-by-play basis, I kind of felt like the speed of power was middling from him.

And I, it's flashes by, he has, like, if you, it's the classic, if you cut up his best five. bull rushes in college your jaw would hit the like the TikTok would have 9 million views of like who the hell is this because the lineman goes up in the air and it looks like they're fighting for their life against a Godzilla level force

but you're right the consistency he doesn't dominate the way you want him to on a game by game basis he doesn't he can embarrass into your offensive lineman but and like you said he can keep his pads down drive his legs he can redirect the run game the ankle injury last year it cost him a

couple games late in 2024 and it just seemed to linger when he came back the pass rush plan to me is just that straight line power right there's nothing other than a bull rush and he's going to turn 24 before his first NFL training camp so this is kind of what you get I think there's a world for k part where a team drafts him and he gives you 10 awesome snaps a game like goal line and a couple early down looks against 12 or 13 personnel and that's an effective NFL player at nose tackle but I think also the days of him wanting to be a presence that takes over in a multi-down rule I've kind of that think that ship has sailed yeah I can understand that and I do I think that you're right like early early grades that I gave on him is like a

late day three type of grade just because I didn't I didn't see him enough splash plays from him and I felt like okay we're in we're about to go into year six of this and I'm still asking you to have more passers moves than just a bull rush I felt like the speed power was middling too often um I didn't feel like he deconstructed blocks quickly like a lot so again sometimes if the initial move hit you know if he's able to knock guys back in their heels sure it looks like he disengages pretty quickly but if it's if it's sort of like a fair fight like if the o lineman gets good leverage on him and he maybe gets inside hands and they're kind of fighting around for it by the time he sheds the block the ball is gone it's either out of

the quarterback's hands or the running back is out into the gap so um that's yeah i think we see him kind of similarly i had him lower i had him out of my top 10 but um that's sort of where we're at so hey before we talk about the godfather finding great candidates for your job is so difficult like you're not just hiring somebody to fill a mission statement you're hiring a person to represent your company to take your company to new heights. But with ZipRecruiter, you could help find amazing candidates for your company fast. Right now, you can try it for free, ZipRecruiter.com slash audio. ZipRecruiter's smart technology identifies those top talents for you and identifies them for certain roles immediately after you post your job. Their powerful technology starts to

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And you love The Godfather. I mean, what's not to love? It's true. True. Wait, are you ready for this, though? You ready for this admission? Yes. Never seen the movie.

That's just... It's hard to fathom. It's hard to fathom. You know what, though? I have to tread lightly here. Because when Chris and I started, not, started dating when we were already engaged. Not only had she not seen it, and this is an Italian woman, like a real Italian.

Yeah, you guys do sauce nights on Sundays. Yeah, like, you know, Long Island Italian family. Yeah, Long Island. Yeah. Her parents' wedding song was the theme from the Godfather. And I'm like, how have you not seen this? She finally watched it with me and was like, damn, it is as good as everyone says. but that was it just seemed once again unfathomable to me you're a man of culture

look is it it's like this isn't hurt your pride a little bit you haven't seen listen i told myself not long ago that i was going to stop lying about movies that i haven't seen yeah and this is i respect this a lot and this is a tough one and this is a tough one this is a tough one for me because i feel like everybody needs to see the godfather but uh yeah yeah you just hate you just hate the northeast i haven't seen oh by the way so so the flight wait what did you say do you just like hate the northeast or italian americans what's i'd yeah both obviously yeah yeah uh no so i don't for anybody out there that's in the northeast or italian just so are very clear oh life today So we, on the flight back from Dublin to Charlotte, so it's a seven-and-a-half-hour flight, guy two rows in front of me, he went interstellar, the dark night, gladiator.

Oh, my God. I almost, I almost asked him to come on the pod. Can I sit with you? Yeah, I almost asked him to come on the pod. Hey, but, like, you, like, you swapped, like, hopefully he was sitting with his. wife and you're like hey you tap her on the shoulder you're like hey can you sit with my wife and i can watch movies with your husband it's kind of what i way out that's kind of what i wanted to do that's an unbelievable lineup yeah yep he knew ball i've never seen i've never seen a ball no or that that's that's pretty that's pretty crazy that's it's pretty crazy i'm actually jealous

now i just the only thing that that that would have solidified him is the ultimate ball knower on the plane is if you know when they come around for the food and they're like hey do you want like beef or vegetarian you know like if he said beef then all the like yeah like that's the king i mean he's flying the plane you might as well you might as well just give him the headset that guy's flying the plane he knows ball anyways the godfather dante corleone not the movie that i've never seen redshirt senior this year he is six feet tall three hundred and thirty bills he's a tree stump

that is folks that is first percentile in height and that is 91st percentile in GERS. I love it. He sometimes looks like a damn cartoon character when he is out there. There are plays. What game? Hold on. I have the Texas Tech game.

There is a play in the Texas Tech game where it is a delayed handoff to the running back. Dante Corleone is head up against the center. The ball is snapped. Corleone gets his hands up inside. He walks the center back, almost two full yards, basically like half a yard in front of where the handoff is happening. You can tell he has complete and total control because who's the running back for Texas Sack, Brooks. Yeah, Tosh Brooks.

Tash Brooks. Tash Brooks sees Corleone in full control with his head peeking one way. and Taj Brooks goes, oh, okay, I can't go that way, tries to hop the other way, and Corleone goes, nope, I'm here too. And then Taj Brooks kind of just like stands there. Yeah, yeah, I lose. And he just lets himself get tackled by the other players. It was one of the most imposed.

And I don't even think Corleone does not even get a tackle on that play, because I don't think he was the one who made the tackle. But that's the sort of impact this guy can have, and that he has had at the college football level, previously. Two years ago in 2022, he was one of our highest graded defensive players in all of college football. He had an elite run defense grade

and he had an elite overall defensive grade because of it. Last year he had a grade in the 80s and then, sorry, the year after that he had an overall grade and run defense grade sort of around 80 and then last year both of those numbers were in the 70s. Now, you mentioned this about him and sort of his

journey. He went through an episode with blood clots last year and obviously he was able to come back and play and that's fantastic but I wonder how that will affect his draft process I wonder if there will be teams that will have him off of their board completely because blood clots are scary and it's a dangerous thing and it's it's especially scary for a guy who has that much weight on him and he has that much weight on him because that's his playing style and that's the position that he plays as a true nose tackle but with a blood clot scare like that that that's something that you have to think about and

obviously I hope that he never has to worry about that again a day in his life but the NFL will obviously think about that when it comes to him. So he has been a full-time starter in each of the last two seasons. He will be a full-time starter again this upcoming year. Absolutely has NFL-level mass. Really impressive hand speed. Knows how to get his hands inside consistently and win with great natural leverage, low pads, despite him having that much weight. That's six-foot tall. First percentile height gives him that natural leverage. So it actually becomes a little bit of a positive when you know the kind of game that he is trying to play. He's got good eyes and run defense.

He knows how to make an impact. He knows where the ball is going. He's very smart in that regard. The arm length feels like it's well below average for him, unfortunately. He needs to have more pass rush moves and counters beyond just a bull rush, but sometimes it's tough. You know, with him having as limited of arm length as he does, that arm length makes it really tough to disengage from blocks when center.

and guards can get their hands on you. Right. Because you don't have the ability. Because go back to what we were talking about before. I try to paint the picture for you guys and why we talk about certain things as pluses and minuses, pros and cons.

So arm length, it matters a lot because in the trenches, when you could fire your hands up inside, get them sort of like in between the shoulders, you know, underneath the shoulder pads of the offensive linemen.

And if you can extend your arms all the way and bench press them forward with good grip, you are, think about it, just think about it in your head. Again, don't close your eyes if you're driving. You're listening to this podcast, please. But if you're not, think about it in your head. When you push somebody's shoulders back, you are making them arch their back,

and often they now are off balance. Their balance is now in their heels, and obviously they can't move forward with any sort of power. That's when you have your opponent in an advantageous position. So when you think about that with Corleone, one, not only can he not execute an effective long arm as well. Sometimes he can because if you get a good initial pop, you can pop them back on their heels and you can still get that advantage there.

But especially when it comes to block shedding, if an offensive lineman gets their hands inside or really anywhere on you, if you don't have the ability to like get your hands out and kind of swipe them around or club them around or even, you know, kind of like put your hand in their chest and sort of extend it and try to get them off of you, that makes it really tough and it takes a lot longer to disengage block. So that happens with Corleone a good amount more than you would want, I should say. And I think that that's really the biggest detractors of his game because the guy's a bowling ball

against the run. He gives you a lot more nimble footwork, fast hands than you would expect for a player who's pushing that kind of a weight. But it just kind of comes down to the fact that over the last three years, he has consistently gotten less effective and less impactful. And in order for him to really bounce back into that top 100 status, top 75 status, I think he's got to have a bounce back year. And he's got to have a year a lot closer to 2023 and 2022 than what we saw last year from him.

So that's what I thought of the Godfather, who comes in number seven for me. We seem exactly the same. And I think that there's a world where, you know, what I always try to remember is when you are battling a health issue a lot of people understandably because it's hard to put yourself in the shoes of somebody dealing with issue as serious as blood clots but any health issue a lot of people look at the lens of well you just got to get over the health issue and then when you're back everything's fine and in football what a lot of people gloss over unlike some other sports but definitely football though the most is that time where you're trying to get over a

issue is time where you are not training to better yourself or maintain. Corleone was a force a couple of years ago and his obviously, not that I was embedded in the Cincinnati program, but just an assumption of why there was a little bit of a drop off last year is he wasn't able to come into the season ramped up the way he has previously. So I have some hope that he is going to be a dominant force again this year. But you have to go out there and show it. I hope so. I hope so, too.

Derell Jackson last, and then we do our top fives? Yep, yep. Okay, so Jackson Jr., now at Florida State, he has been at both Maryland and Miami. He was at Florida State last year. Yes. Red shirt senior, 6'5 and a quarter, 341 pounds, Trevor, is what I have him. Full grown man, man. This is a colossal human.

And get this. The Colossive Clout. Yes. I mean, 341 pounds. He's 6.5 and a quarter. He's got 35 and a quarter inch arms, and his hands are over 11 inches.

I would believe it. He is massive. And it's not just, he's wide, he's tall, he's got long arms, he's got meat hooks. He's got everything. Studis, you don't want to find yourself. you know having to deal with this guy yeah uh last year three and a half sacks he had a forced fumble he sat out 2003 due to the transfer rules which is that's like a throwback you

wouldn't you hear that anymore you don't you don't you don't you have to really be jumping around and not getting a lot of love or loopholes from the NCAA to have to deal with that so as a player I mean once again this is just some of the longest arms and biggest hands you'll see on a player which allows him to do things in a fight that not because you always have to look at the trenches as a fight especially in those one-on-one situations dude when he lands his hands it's like a heavyweight fighter dude it is devastating it looks like absolute hell for whoever has to block this guy you talked about capehart having like oh if you gave me his five best plays like what it would look like you got 30 plus of this guy if you give if you just looked at

Doreau Jackson Jr.'s top five plays mainly he's going to win with power and all of them. But if you give me his best five plays you'd say that's the top 20 pick. You'd look at this guy and you'd be like he's a

devastating player. Yeah, I fully agree. I mean, it's high effort hand fighting too. Like it's not like he just gets off the ball and throws his one heavy club, whatever move he wants to try. he's throwing his hands like a maniac

and he's so much bigger than almost everybody he ever goes up against that it's so impactful to them and when his pad level is right because think about how big he is blockers go backwards naturally against him because he's just he has more force right this is physics at the end of the day

this guy generates more force than whoever is in front of him when his pad level is right he needs to be careful coming off the ball a little high to the negative side of things this to me Trevor is somebody that is a hot and cold player he should dominate more than he does

there are just too many plays of him being pushed around despite me watching the game and going I know you're more gifted than that guy I've seen you embarrass him why did the last four plays are you on the ground or just not a factor just not a factor at all

and that translates also to double teams where you're big enough to hold a double team or take on a double team. And he gets discarded by double team. So I love what this guy can be. I love what he is when he's at his best. But he is not a floor player. He's a high variance player.

You know who he reminded me of right now? Javon Kinlaugh. Him and Kinla are built the exact same way. I mean, I think he's a little bit bigger than Kinlau. Like I think he's a little bit taller. I think he's got a little bit more weight on him. his hands are a little bit bigger and his arms are a little bit longer

but I think they play the same way because Kinlaw had some reps where he was in college where you just looked at him and you went, this guy is unblockable. He's got insane natural power. He is so naturally gifted and when you look at Kinla in the NFL, the thing that worried me about

the thing that worries me about the Roald Jackson Jr. is that he doesn't win with technique and finesse nearly enough, right? And when you look at Javon Kinlaw the five years that he has been in the NFL. He's dealt with some injury. I understand that. But his five years in the NFL, his overall defensive grade starting in 2020 and then going to 2024, 54.54.1, 50.4, 31.9, 53.8, 53.4. And he has basically just been a player who is trying to win off of being naturally stronger than

everybody else. And I want DeRoe Jackson Jr. to sort of learn from Javon Kinlaw and make sure that he emphasizes, like, start taking yoga. Get a little bit more flexible. Make sure you can get a little bit further down your stance, win the leverage battle a little bit more. Make sure you're executing the right technique and having the right awareness against double teams,

being able to hold up against double teams. And then I promise you, even if you are just a pass rusher who wins with power, if you can do those other two things really well, take on double teams better, get a corkscrew technique in there, understand how to just have some leverage in geometry to be able to angle offensive line in the right way

to hold onto those double teams and win with leverage. Get your pads down. Get lower in your pre-snap stance. You will be a player who the NFL is going to talk about from a top 50, top 75 type of perspective because of how powerful you are. That's how I viewed Dorel Jackson Jr.

And he did remind me of Javon Kinaloa a lot. Yeah, I like that call. And looking at his combine measurements, Kinlaw, I mean, it's hard to match Dorel Jackson's size and you come into the combine always a little lighter. But yeah, they are built. If you're looking for something close, That's about as good as it gets

because it's so hard to find that calm. Who you got at number five? Tim Keenan, the third? Oh, you do have Tim Keenan in here. I had him just outside in my top ten. Tim Keenan is the exact guy I'm talking about when you look into what a guy's production was throughout a year

and then you turn on the tape and go, my goodness, does he impact every play he's in nearly positively? Yeah. Tim Keenan from Alabama is a redshirt senior. He's 6-2 and 3-8s, 313 pounds. He's got very short arms, 30 and a half inches. He's like, yeah. He is, this is for me, kind of the opposite of the entire Dorel Jackson Jr. conversation. This is an absolute floor player all the way. I look at him and former four-star recruit out of Birmingham, Alabama. He is just a squatty, true nose. tackle that controls the line of scrimmage that's what he does yeah he digs in he battles he holds double teams consistently he i'll say this though because you can't just be this two you can it there's a role for this in the nfl but if you want to be drafted early and he's number five for me you can't just be this space eating clogging you know two gap presence he's got a good club move dude as a pass rusher.

He's got a violent club move. And if you are a lights out, and I think he is a slam dunk run defender, I call him a presence. Because a good run defender kind of goes back to the Rayshon Benny combo. Like, you're responsible, you play a five and a three, you do a lot of things the right way. You're not a presence. Where when I game plan against you, I'm like, oh, I got to worry about this guy. Tim Keenan kind of makes you run the ball differently, in my opinion. But he's also got this club move as a pass rusher that can be effective enough.

He reminded me, honestly, of Brandon Williams, the nose tackle that was on the Ravens. Like that's, yeah, that's, yeah, that's high praise. That's, right, and it's, is he going to be Brandon Williams? Well, not a lot of people are. So we'll set, but like, if you know why I value his skill set so much, and this position to me is a lost art in today's NFL, while a ton of NFL offenses are trying to line up in 12 personnel and run the ball down your throat as we sit with the eagles are certainly freaking good at it a lot of teams are good at it teams are going to have to find these

dominant massive dirty work nose tackles up front and i i love tim keenan i couldn't believe how little buzz he gets and i understand he's not going to be splashy he's not going to be a probably not going to be a first round pick obviously but the tape is excellent yeah so i think the reason why i'm just lower on him is is i kind of see him a little bit more is is just what he is right and that's just a really good run stopper uh elite run defense grade last season 90.1 run defense grade highest grader run defender that Alabama had last year um and you know I think I'll I'll give this to you as well really high effort nose tackle yep and that's not always guarantee I mean it's not always guarantee it nose tackle it's not always guarantee in the trenches right I mean like

these are these big dudes that are playing you know 40 50 60 snaps a game sometimes I know Keenan's not doing that because he's more of a rotational nose tackle type. But even with that being the case, you don't always get these nose tackles that play through the whistle. And it feels like he really plays through the whistle. It feels like he really loves to play the game. He's always trying to make an impact. I'm worried about the arms, right?

I'm worried about that as a block shedding tool, just in sort of what he's going to do overall. But if he can learn to stay a little bit cleaner, you know, if he could be a two-handed swipe sort of master against centers and guards, think he has a chance to be a really nice prospect. I agree with you. I think he's a high floor type of a player. Um, I just valued that a little bit lower as somebody who is just outside of my top 10 here. But, uh, I do like that you got him in there, which I, which means that I've got somebody

in my top five who you don't have in your top five as well. I had a feeling right out of the gate. So, um, where's my list here? Uh, David Oakey, do you watch him? I did watch David Oakey. David Oakey was number 11 for me and I was really pissed about it. Okay, so I'm really glad you're going to talk about him because he needs to be in today's show. Yeah, so David Oki, he was at Abilene Christian the past three years, I believe. Was it three years? It was one, two, three years. And now he is at Arkansas.

So while he was Abilene Christian, he played very, very well. He established himself as somebody who was one of the top playmakers, one of the best defensive linemen, sort of at that level. And now he's jumping to the SEC. And we'll see whether or not he can continue that. really good production now at the SEC level. So he's listed at six foot one, just under six foot two, 312 pounds. He's a senior this year. He was a former three star edge rusher, which I thought was, which I thought was very interesting. He weighed just 260 pounds when he first got to Abilene Christian. And now like I said, he is over 310. Now he's listed at 312. So

putting on over 50 pounds is a big deal, especially for how this guy plays. So he actually grew up in Nigeria for most of his life until, I believe it was 2018. when his family moved from Nigeria to Houston, Texas. So he started playing high school football at Leif Hastings High School in Houston, Texas. And funny enough, he didn't know anything about American football when he was a true freshman, or I should say when he was a freshman in high school, didn't know how the game was played, didn't know the rules. And in fact, I read an article of when he was playing high school football,

he didn't understand the rules to the point where one of his friends, on the team caught an interception and he didn't understand why his friend had the ball because they were on defense so he tackled his friend so there's a and I say that to say there is a difference between just saying like oh this guy didn't pick up the sport until you know he was in high school this guy didn't basically didn't know the sport existed until he got to high school and even then when he was first playing, he didn't even understand the rule. So he's really only been understanding the NFL game of football and even knowing that it exists for the last seven years.

And for that to be the case, for the player that we have now, is pretty dang impressive. It really is. He played in 10 games of a true freshman, started two the following year, started all 14 games in 2024, and I think he's a fantastic football player. So as a three-technique defensive tackle, if you line this guy up in between the guard and the center, I think he could wreak havoc for you. Twitchy movements, and you don't often say that about a player who is pushing over 300 pounds, twitchy movements, that ability to rush the passers and edge rusher,

he has taken that and now is using that above 310 pounds. Very hard for him to keep blocked. Violent, fast play style with a high motor. That is a deadly combination. Coming off the conversation that we just had with Tim Keenan, when you get a player who has the strength, the speed, and then just the relentlessness that David Oakey does, it is a bitch to stay in front of.

And these offensive linemen, you could tell it is just a tough assignment every single time he is out there. And I'll tell you this too, we don't talk about bend very much when we talk about interior players. This dude can accelerate up the arc. He's great as a looper.

And he'll give you that he'll turn those tight corners. He'll turn those tight corners for you and he's got a little bit of bend there to him. Now he's moved off his spot a little bit too easily and run defense. So he definitely needs to improve in that regard. he is a one gap penetrating type of a player he wants to attack he wants to get downhill he wants to get in the backfield and sometimes that uh leaves him out to dry a little bit and he's just kind of play with the much lower pad level what he likes to do is he likes to be a hand fighter so when he gets down to his three point stance when that ball is snapped actually um there it is Owen

Owen Reese is going to yell at me because I mess that up again Owen good friend of the pod he had texted me like a month ago and he's like if I hear you say the ball is hiked one more time A man of offensive line culture shout out Owen

I corrected myself there before it was too late when the ball is snapped he fires off the ball really well explosive first snap but it is up he gets upright it's forward but it's also a lot of up

because he wants to get up and he wants to use his hands. He wants to hit a two-handed swipe. He wants to club you. He wants to get a rip in there. He wants to do something to get in between the gap, the A gap or the B gap. That's good. I love the attacking play style,

but too often it leaves his chest exposed, and that's really where you can get some of these offensive linemen who can just really stand you up and really hold their ground against you. So he's got to play with a little bit better pad leverage, and I think he's moved off his spot a little bit too easily and run defense. But, man, I just love the athletic,

potential that this guy brings. He, his, his pass rushing style reminds me a good bit of C.J. West last year and how much I think that we really like C.J. West. Now, C.J. West was a better run defender than he is, but it's that sort of like bowling ball build, super fast hands, really difficult to stay in front of type of a style. So, um, that's what I thought of David Oakey. Yeah, he's a trajectory player right he's on a really upward trajectory being a late you know you know really late comer to the game as a whole but now the ramp up in competition i would like to see just a more consistent plan and technique as a pass rusher i think the player he is right now is not going to

win very much at all against a higher level of competition but hopefully arkansas can take his athletic traits and develop that two more productive pass rush ability i have faith sam Pittman's a trenches guy. I know he's an offensive trenches guy, but Sam Pittman is a trenches guy. I really, really hope we get the best from David Oakee because I think he could be a hell of a football player. Who'd you have at number four? So number four, I think could be my last surprise, although you never know. Maybe not at all.

Number four for me was Dominique Orange. Big citrus, baby. From the University of Iowa State. I also have him at number four. Let's go. Oh, no way. Yeah. Dude, big citrus.

Big citrus. Insane nickname. I think, do you see he was pushing four bills when he was in high school? That's just absurd. That's how he got the nickname. That is so good. He got the nickname Big Citrus because he was pushing four bills in high school. That is just, I wonder where he's at right now.

He's at like 325, didn't he? No, I mean, like, what... Physically in the world? No, I want to know what this lad is going to do on the best. press at the combine quite so oh um he was in philvin's freaks hold on yeah there's probably there's got to be a number there hold on hold on hold on hold on okay you're ready for it here we go here we go felvin freaks tell me he teleports in the three cone give it to me uh i don't have a three cone um the six foot four three hundred and twenty five pound orange who spent much of his

off season refining his diet has benched four hundred and fifty pounds, squatted 650, clean 365, and he also has a vertical jump of 34 inches. That's actually,

that's actually insane. He jumps higher than Zane Durant while having 35 more pounds on him, at least, at least 35 more pounds on it. It's ridiculous. I'm just saying,

just saying. Utterly ridiculous. I mean, Big Citrus. Big Citrus was probably my favorite watch in this group, just out of zero, I mean zero hype, zero. And then I was- I didn't know about them before this exercise.

Like the next three guys, obviously they're ranked higher for a reason. And I knew a decent amount about because the programs they come from. And I was laughing. I was like, oh, man, my Iowa State love is going to continue. But I'm so glad you have them in your top five as well. I thought you're going to laugh me out of the bill.

but obviously you are a big citrus truther, which is nice. He is 6.1 and 3 quarters. Yeah, he's... Oh, yeah, by the way, I'm so glad that you said that. Because Iowa State has him listed at 6 foot 4, 325 pounds. I have verified measurements that he is not even 6 to. Yeah, 6.1 and 3 quarters, 328. 33 and 3 quarter arm

length, so right around 34 inch arms. For his height, he actually has kind of long arms. Right. No, that's the thing, is that I think that Iowa State believes that they can get away with it because he's got long arm. We just won't allow it anymore. No, no, no. If there's anything this show wants to accomplish

is to shut down lying on the internet. No, look, Eli on the internet, just not about heights and weights of prospects. That's all I care about. That's actually very true. That's my mission. Everything else on the internet is true, but not Heights and whites. We need to hold these schools accountable.

There needs to be a punishment. Scholarships need to be revoked if you get caught lying about a prospect. Sanctions. Sanctions, yeah. You can't make the college fall playoff. Oh, you said big, you said big situation. If you lie more than two inches, where are you going with this, Trev? If you go, if you lie more than two inches on a guy's height or 15 pounds in his weight,

I don't think you should make the college fall playoff. Yeah, I said it. I think it's reasonable. I'm ready to have this conversation. What are we teaching our kids? Right. What are we teaching the future of this country? I have just like a little pride here.

Anyways. Back to basics. Big citrus, though, as a player. I mean, he plays pretty much all alignments. I always say it's kind of like, okay, well, you're one of our best players, so we're going to line you up and down the line of scrimmage. Defense of end all the way down to nose tackle. I mean, do I really have to say tremendous natural strength and power?

It is tremendous. He had, so only had one sack last year, and this is a peak. Sacks totals lie a lot. he had a 12.4 pass rush win rate which at his size and that role and this position that is really good that is really disruptive he just you see pocket pushing speed to power you see a two-handed swipe and what I loved Trevor he played some of his best football in that conference championship game against Arizona State yeah it was like okay this is a big matchup right here I'm going to be one of the better players on the field from my team today. this guy he's well-rounded i mean really well-rounded you look at that size and you think just a run plugger but no he's got pass-rush skills he his balance is not the best when he's in pursuit of the quarterback and that's probably an explanation of why he has a high pass-rush win rate discrepancy and contrast compared to his sack totals yeah and he is somebody i think at his

size the gas tank does hit e sometimes like he'll destroy the blocker but he's a high effort player no the effort it's because the effort is so insane yeah he he gives it all on every snap that sometimes halfway through the play after he beat the blocker and the quarterback moves off his spot he's just he's out of gas he's just out of gas yeah but yeah awesome player no he's he is great um i think that the size length combination makes it very ideal for defensive fronts that uh like to get really multiple. And look, every defensive coordinator, I think of the world is going to tell you, yeah, we like to stay multiple.

Because I think B reporters will basically ask every single defense coordinator every single year. Like, oh, would you guys say that you're a four three front or are you a three four front? And every defensive coach is going to say the same thing. Well, we like to stay multiple. But the truth of the matter is that sometimes you have guys that have, if you don't have the players who have enough length to make up for it, you're not going to play with three down linemen a lot. Like, I think that that's really sort of the bread and butter of what you need to have

there especially you have to figure out not only do you have the length of two players to the defensive end spots to be able to cover multiple gaps and maybe two gap for you if you need them to to keep the linebackers clean you've also got to have a nose tackle you got a nose tackle who can win up front who can control the center who's got good length and this is a player who I think that Dominic Orange can truly be a alignment versatile player for an odd front defense because I think that this dude can play head up nose technique I can play I think you play three tech, he'd play four eye for you, and they'll even align him as a five technique defense end.

I think he's got the length to be able to do it. I think he's got good natural leverage to him. It's almost like, we've talked about this before. Sometimes you look at the measurement, you go, okay, you know, like he's got more weight, but he's a little bit smaller in height. The height really doesn't matter. And especially if you're talking about the trenches,

you almost want players who are exactly built like this. Big and thick, smaller in height, so you have the natural leverage, but then you've also got the, the arm length to sort of make up for it. And the length is the part that matters the most. Right. So Deion Walker versus Willie Lampkin theory.

Yeah. It kind of is. I kind of want to write a thesis on this. And submit to Harvard. You should go to school. You should go back to school for something that is like very not related to football

at all whatsoever. And in your like I, this is your thesis statement to graduate. you write a 55-page research paper on why Willie Lampkin's better than Dionne Walker. I'm going to go back to school. And Harvard goes, sir, this is for a veterinary degree. I want to go back to school to be a scientist.

And my whole, I'm going to do a whole physics theory. The Willie Lampkin versus Dion Walker theory. Imagine I win the Nobel Prize. Yeah, you will. Yeah, you will. You will. I'd vote for you. Thank you. Who voted for this guy? The thing with Orange that, you know, we talk a lot about where players are.

An area where he can improve, certainly, this year, just have a better pastor's approach. It's probably the best way to say it. I want him to just focus on it. Get your hands as fast as possible. Like just get your hands a little bit faster. Focus on pastures a little bit more. We know you can stop the wrong. last year. We know that's who your identity has been as a player for a long time. Let's see

what kind of a pass rush you are this year. I wonder if he kind of, where did Alfred Collins actually get picked? I know I know the joke is that he hasn't been picked yet and I guess the, you know, the Niners. And I just got to check the draft slot. I thought it was the second round. What slot was it for him? Second round

43rd pick. So, but don't forget, he's still on the board. So I'm, yeah, I mean, he's still on the board, obviously. Like you told me all of that and that's sort of all like a in theory thing. Obviously he's still on the board and it's egregious that he is still on the board but that's sort of in my opinion what we're talking about was citrus who i wouldn't say that alfred collins is the comp like i don't know if i'm going to call that the comp yet maybe i will who knows but

Collins was a really really solid run defender for basically his entire college career and then that last year he showed us a little bit more in pass rush like just a little bit more and you go like okay see now he's got that too and because of that he gets picked in the top 50 I wonder if Orange has that same sort of potential trajectory to him. Who'd you have a three? Who did I have three? Oh, Christian Miller. Me too.

Why don't you start with this one? Yeah, I was going to say, I feel like we might go four to one. You kind of called it. Yeah, I think that we will. And we have seven and six the same as well. We're going to talk at the end of the show. And I promise I'll save just a little bit of time to make sure that I try to like put these guys in categories with the defensive line. group last year and I think you're going to see that this D tackle group is not nearly as

talented as deep as last year's is so there there I didn't think there was going to be a ton of room for debate with us here I think that we were going to have a lot of the same names either pretty close or a pretty spot on there so Christian Miller he is a redshirt junior at Georgia listed at six foot four three hundred and ten pounds um I think the only reason why this guy is not in the NFL yet is just because Georgia has such a deep NFL factor along the defensive line every single year. Played four games in redshirt his first year. Played 13 games in 2023.

And then he played in 12 games with 10 starts last year. And I feel like he could have come out last year. But it makes, I think it does make more sense for him to continue to get better as a pass rusher this upcoming season and really be able to show his stuff as one of the main, if not the main, name to know on that Georgia defensive line. Connor, the thing that I like about him, really good quickness to change direction. I think he's got excellent balance, excellent core strength for a player who is pushing 300 pounds. Hands are constantly working to get clean.

Lightning quick to stack and shed when he gets his hands inside. I think I love that about and the block deconstruction there was great. Plus arm length for a defensive tackle which you don't often see. I think he's really conscious of his pad level. He's consistently trying to win with leverage and I think he consistently does win with leverage. But, Connor, to be honest with you, the thing that I love the most about Christian Miller is that the guy understands football. I think he's a really fast processor. He knows where the ball is going he recognizes plays not just after the ball is snapped but sometimes pre-snap he sees things with the offensive line you can see him looking around he's seeing where the ball is going and then

you can tell that after the ball is snapped he's the first one who like knows where it's going right like he's the first one who is taking purposeful steps to where the ball is going to make the biggest impact that he can if there's a misdirection play he's often the first one to recognize it i just think that the way he approaches the game of football um if it's all instincts shoot more power to him but he really does feel like a guy who does his film work and recognizes things at a pretty high level

right now and more snaps under his belt more games under his belt more starts that we will see this year I think we'll only make him better in that area heading into the NFL so I think he's got the quickness I think he's got the size that he's got the length and I think he's got the football IQ as well to be a really good defensive tackle in the NFL likely as a I would say a three technique

defensive tackle that's how I categorized him I mean, eye for eye with this one. It's just, I love how he arrives off the ball. His hands are working. He's working under blockers. He's getting his hands, you know, through the chest, under the pads. I wrote that he's a stacking shit of artist against the run. It is, you know, obviously this is a program where the coaching is, you're going to see a lot of that.

But he's just very gifted in that way. And he's got the size, athleticism, and length. that allows him to do that from multiple alignments where it's translatable to me to the NFL level as you pointed out, Trevor. I'd like to see him take on a bigger pass rush roll this year. Me too. Yeah, very limited pass rush roll last year.

You know, something that I'm watching is so he had matchups against Clemson, Kentucky, Alabama, Auburn, and Florida. That's a really good test of five games. Yeah, I can count five. He had four, he had four pressures in those games. Total, and two were unblocked. So he just, against better levels of competition,

he's just not affecting the game as a pass rusher right now, but he is such a high floor run defender from a traits and film and technique perspective that that puts him where we have him at three. Yep. We got it two? Two is your own Caleb Banks. There it is.

Yes. There it is. I also have a number two. Yeah, kind of, you know, not chalky, but we're not surprised. You and I, we see a lot of things. This are processes. There's similar processes for us that land us here with these kind of rankings.

Banks. I could have sworn he was going to declare last year. I mean, I was so shocked that he did not declare. He was good enough to. Right? Like, yeah, 100%. That defensive line on the interior just had so much talent. I mean, I thought he was an easy day two pick last year.

Yeah. Easy. I agree. And this is someone that has insane NFL size, 6'4 pounds, 35 and an 8th inch arms. Jeez. I didn't have the arm length. Wow. Massive arm length for Caleb Banks.

He had two force fumbles last year, so he's made some big plays. It's just, once again, another one of those massive humans like Dorel Jackson Jr. where it's height, mass, length, and hand size. quick off the he's quick off the ball for his size like i look at someone at this size and i'm like you're not supposed to move like that he moves like he's 3005 pounds yep he's just he's he's got some twitch there's some times where he tries to set up blockers with some change of direction rather than just running right through them it just looks ridiculous pure power and strength he could really disrupt the pocket that's what i liked about him so much was he's one of

those guys say, okay, I'm probably the biggest guy on the field today. I could just try to run through you every play. But I think he actually tries different things to keep blockers off balance at his size. He's not lazy with his plan throughout a game. He's a well-rounded player, too. I think he's tapping into his pass rush ability more, but he's still a well-rounded player. I think the number one thing for me, because, you know, piggybacking off the tapping into more pass rush, he has to be more consistent with counter moves. But the number one thing for me is, it's just pad level, right? Like there's a point of attack.

He comes off the ball naturally high, the guy that's six foot, six six, and he's going to not be as disruptive when he has pad levels not in check. Yeah. So since everybody loves when I do this, I'll point out the multi-sport back. also played basketball when he was in high school I think at a pretty high level so he has that he played defensive end and defensive tackle when he was in high school started at Louisville before he got to Florida redshirt his first year played six games next year transferred to Florida started 11 games in 2023 full-time starter last year as well again I thought this guy was going to declare I thought if two years as being a full-time starter I really did I thought that he was going to declare I'm surprised that we're talking about him here I thought he was an easy day to pick last year I think that that's sort of where I have him, right? I think he's sort of a early second round or late second, early third round grade. I think that that's where you are, depending on what kind of defensive scheme you have,

because especially if you are a three-four team, I mean, you've got to love the explosiveness and the length and the size of this guy has. I mean, he'll be able to play four-eye for you. He can play five technique. He plays a nose. He can play as a three, although, you know, him's a three. I think he's effective, certainly. But I want him to become a better pass.

rusher than just shooting a gap because that's sort of how he wins to pass rusher right now i would like to see a little bit more finesse in his game uh i would like to see him win with his hands a little bit more um because right now it's just sort of that first step and it's impactful like i don't want to say that like that's not good enough obviously i'm saying that he would have been a day two pick last year um he's got slow pursuit outside of the pocket like if he's if he's getting into the back field and the running back balances outside he's not going to be somebody who's going to be able to pursue to the sideline he just doesn't have that to him And then just because of his size, he's got a little bit of natural inflexibility to him,

some stiffness to him. He doesn't turn the tightest corner. You mentioned how he can pop straight up and forget his leverage. I think there are too many times where he's a very, very strong player, especially in his upper body. I think that, you know, whether you want to say it's his shoulders, his triceps, the chest, the upper back, like he's just a really strong football player. And I think that he forgets to use his leverage as a weapon because he just thinks. thinks he can out bench press everybody, which he often can at the college level,

but it doesn't work nearly that well at the NFL level. Basically what I'm trying to say about Caleb Banks is I think he can win a lot right now just being a good athlete really big and really strong, but there are linemen at the NFL level that will be able to utilize techniques and like walling him off or using leverage a certain way, where all of a sudden he goes, wait a second, how's this pip squeak in front of me like blocking me? And I get, I get a little bit worried. Damn you, Willie Lampkin. Yeah, like, I get a little bit worried that that could be the case for him in the NFL if he's not more conscious of sort of what to do with his hands, play a little bit cleaner, play with a little bit more

leverage. But man, so much versatility from him. And just, there's so much potential in his play. So I wonder if he got, I wonder if he got a, because what is, what is the NFL draft advisory board isn't it like first second third or go back to school grade basically that how it is yeah yeah yeah they don't they don't go there's no hey you'll probably go in the fifth round there's none of that yeah it's it's one two three or go back to school i'd be shocked if he got to go go back to school grade i'd be shocked maybe but i wonder if he got a three and was i wonder if he got a three and he just yeah he just wasn't very happy right and that's the beauty of you know for all it's flaws or i don't know flaws but just how much of the wild

West NIL is it's good for the guys that can go back make some money and then be in a class that isn't as stacked for them. Sure.

So, you know. Yeah. Because he would have been DT who knows what last year where this year we're talking about him is DT too entering the season. No, that's a great point. That's a great point too. But yeah, man, big, strong, violent football player. Yeah. Has the size and the length and the strength that you just can't

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We got Big Peter Woods. Pete. Pete. Clemson University. The Big Wood. Pause. Yeah. Can't do that one.

That was the best response possible. Can't do that one. I'm not going to call him that. Hey, pal. I heard they call you the Big Wood. Oh, man. He just walks away from you. I don't.

He probably kill you. Yeah, and he could with one hand. Yeah. I don't have verified measurements for him. I have 6-2-315. I know in Feldman's freaks, he said he's 6-3-3-10. Yes. That's what I wrote down just because I saw that from our pal-Feldman.

If you want, like to finish out the Feldman freaks, right up on this cat who was number five on the freaks list he bench pressed 490 pounds he did 34 reps at 225 yeah so anybody out there you know if you're using i'll get i'll give you a freebie here for pfs betting tools i don't have it we don't have it up right now but the pff edge uh specifically says that peter woods could absolutely finish with the top bench press mark at the combine if he choose to do it. Yes, if he chooses to do it. He's squatted 700 pounds, power clean 385, ran a 48640, and jumps a 33 inch vertical. This is the kind of athletic in size and tape profile of a top 10 pick in next year's NFL draft. 486 would be, let's see, 93rd percentile.

Yeah, I mean, it's ridiculous. Pretty quick. Pretty quick. There's, So much to unpack here. My little synopsis I wrote up, which puts like a lot of my notes together, because I wrote the most notes for this guy. I said, Woods is a unique presence at over 300 pounds that plays every alignment on the defensive line, including stand-up edge. He's got burst, ideal pad level, and powerful hands when in attack mode. There are times where his aggression gets him in trouble as an interior run defender, but he

makes a lot more plays than he surrenders. I mean, Trevor, like 92nd percentile pass rush winery. rate last year. 14% was his pass rush win rate. He sets a hard edge, power, strength, love the motor, good pad level, plays everywhere. This is what a game wrecker looks like up front. Yeah, yeah. I wrote down a lot more strengths in his profile before I got to really any weaknesses.

And you gave the synopsis, I'll give some of the strengths that I have here, that I have here. rare flexibility in natural athleticism for a player his size has experience and success rushing from a two point and a three point stance which is nuts alignment versatility from a zero technique nose tackle all the way out to a five technique no false steps out of his stance which means you know however he is aligned in his pass rush whichever leg is sort of that front leg he is launching off of that front leg he is loaded the quads are ready and he is just firing up and into the backfield at all times with no false steps in there. Explosive first step to him, maintains low pad leverage before making contact, consistently turns a tight corner when shedding pass blockers. Impressive balance and change the direction for a player of his weight and the weaknesses. I might have shorter arms, and I think that right now he relies a little bit too much on the speed to power conversion.

He could be a little bit more technical of a pass rusher with a little bit more finesse. But you mentioned how successful he's been. So if it ain't broke, don't fix it. And I can understand that. I'll throw in this bonus here. You ready for this? When he was in high school, he won four straight state championships.

Four. Freshman, sophomore, junior, senior season. Four state titles. He's getting bored. In the state of Alabama. It's crazy. It's nuts. So you got the freakish athleticism.

You got a player with all sorts of. of versatility. He's playing for a blue blood program. I mean, he's just unbelievable on that defensive line. You see shades of Jeffrey Simmons with him, I think. I think that's very fair. Like, that's, that's, that's, that's, that's, in my opinion, the type, or at least the, the, the, the, the category of player that we're talking about here. Big Jeff and Big Wood. Yeah, big, that's, yeah, big.

Big, big, big shout out to Big Wood. Yeah, I mean, he's just, but just what? Now, you know, it's just, yeah, what's he doing? No, he's just, yeah, yeah, you get it. You get it, you get it, sure. Yeah, people get it. People get it. All right, so let's recap the top 10 here. I do want to try to loosely put them into the group that we had last year.

Okay. And then we'll talk about a couple of guys that maybe we didn't get to yet. So who is your top 10? 10 for me was Ray Sean Benny out of Michigan. Nine was DeMonte, Capehart, Clemson. Eight was Zane Durant. Penn State. Seven was the godfather Dante Corleone, Cincinnati.

Number six was Dorel Jackson Jr., Florida State. Five was Tim Keenan, the third, Alabama. Four, Iowa State's Big Citrus, Dominique Orange. Three, I just love it so much. It's incredible. It's amazing. Three, Georgia's Christian Miller. Two, Florida's Caleb Banks.

Number one, Clemson again. Clemson's Peter Woods. So for me, at 10, I had Bear Alexander, who's now at Oregon, 9 ahead Zane Durant, 8, Albert Regis, 7, Dante Corleone, 6th Earl Jackson Jr., 5, David Oakey, 4 of the Big Citrus, 3 Christian Miller, 2, Kayla Banks, and then 1, the Big Wood. Okay, so when categorizing these players with the defensive tackles last year, let's see i had one two three four five six seven of these guys in my top 50 eight nine 10 11 12 13 i had 13 in my top 100 i would say that peter woods would be right there in that category

with mason i agree completely who i had in the top 10 um i think kela banks would probably be maybe in the 40s where I had like Tileak Williams, Derek Harmon, Darius Alexander, sort of like in that category. I'd probably put Big Citrus around there as well because I had

I had Tileak Williams as DT5 at 41 overall. I had Derek Harmon at DT6 at 42, Darius Alexander DT 7 at 49, T.J. Sanders, a.k.a. Bull Rush McIntyre at 54. and then like David Oake I'd probably put him

I'd probably put him like close to where I had Shemar Turner like 7880 I think Shemar Turner was DT 11 Yeah he'd be a little after 100 for me which is behind like Ty Robinson near Vernon

Broughton and C.J. West And then like Dorell Jackson and Dante Corleone, I think that I would have them, you know, right around where probably right around or a little bit above where like Vernon Broughton and Jordan Phillips were. Jamar Caldwell is sort of in that conversation as well. So that just goes to show you like those those are the top seven defensive tackles. And we're kind of spreading them out all within the top 13 or 14 guys of last year.

So it's just, it's not nearly, in my opinion, so far heading into this season, it's not nearly as deep or even as talented of a group as last year's defensive tackle class was. No, the good news is it has a dude in Peter Woods. Yes, yes. It has that nice little tier of second round-ish players or day two players, Caleb Banks, Christian Miller, the big citrus that you're like, I'd like them to start on my defensive line. Yeah.

And then it has the depth of the rotational guys. But it's, yeah, you're right. Last year was kind of an outwire. Yeah, so many good defense. Not kind of an outlier. It was insane. Anybody else who want to shout out? Who didn't make the list?

Guys I watch, because I know people are like, why don't you watch this guy? Watch this guy. Just to let everybody know. I told you I had David Oakey at 11. Yep. I watched Zavian Harris from Ole Miss. I did two.

I did two. I watched also James Smith from Alabama. Yep. CJ Fight from Arizona State. Aaron Graves from Iowa. Brandon Cleveland from NC State and Bryson from Tennessee. I didn't watch any of the last,

I think three or four guys that you mentioned. They were all my lowest rank. players. I watch Grayson Halton as well from Oklahoma. Okay, I didn't see him but he was on my list.

Yeah, I just think he's very much a finesse player. Six foot two, two hundred ninety two pounds. Yeah. So he's just, he's a lighter dude. I just,

he's sort of a tweener between a defensive end and a defensive tackle. I think he's like, LIS's defensive tackle, but in his current form, I don't know if he could, he could survive as an interior player

at the NFL level. He'd probably have to kick outside. He doesn't have that difference making sort of like bull rush and leg drive to him. He carries a lot of weight and strength in the upper half, doesn't have as much in the lower half, so the leg drive isn't as powerful as it should be. But he's really quick.

Quickness is like the name of the game for him, and so he's really fun to watch on that Oklahoma defensive line who lets guys win with quickness and speed a lot, obviously with our Mason Thomas being a much lighter edge rusher as well. So they're very much not afraid to let those quicker guys go off in that defense. But I watched him a little bit there. and Zayvon Harris intrigued to see what he looks like this year

because he said himself he played at 300 like around 300 last year and he looked a little light and I think he's just gonna he's gonna be best when he's closer to 330 which he said he is now and you can sort of use him as just more of an immovable object I think he tried to be a little bit quicker to be a better pass

pressure last year but he ended up getting moved off the ball a little bit too easily so excited to see what he looks like now back at 330 yeah it's a group with you know there's some ups and side there's also the classic rotational players taking on bigger roles i think that i'm interested to the guy okay so the guy that is most interesting to me out of all the guys i named that i didn't talk about in my top 10 is actually cj fight from Arizona state because he's a true

junior so in a class where there's so many fifth and 60 or seniors in this group where fight is that in his career right now going into his true junior season he has a a lot of promise. He's already an excellent run defender with his grip strength but I want to see him I mean he had a 1.5% past rush win rate so he's literally his first

percentile like he's doing nothing as a pass rusher but he's a really young player so let's see what he could do in that category. There we go. On a good team. There we go. Those are our top tens and a lot more we would love to hear from you guys if you've watched any these interior defensive linemen or any of the guys that we didn't give a shout out to give me shout out in the comments

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as much as we can we do i i know some people like the real the real you know football guys out there are kind of rolling their eyes but so so this i will say this safety class is really damn good yeah and um we're not going to get to safeties for an individual episode we will talk about them plenty when we do the big board episode because there's going to be a handful of them who are really high in the rankings. This is going to be a really, really good safety class, including a player who in the safety position could very well be the number one overall player in the class.

It's that caliber of talent and Caleb Downs. So we're going to do tight ends. We'll do one more position group for you. We will soon be going to two shows a week. I think the plan this year, guys, is for us to do a Monday and a Wednesday episode. Connor and I have talked a little bit about what that might look like. A couple of you have reached out to us

and you would like for us to continue to do the what matters most as we recap all the Sunday games and the week games in the NFL. So I think we'll probably do some form of or a full reboot of what matters most on the Monday show during the season and then Wednesday will be that Stockwatch episode. We would love to hear from you guys though.

This is the time really to get into it because we want to build this show for what you guys want to hear. And so we think that covering the NFL, covering teams, covering how they are doing and what that means, especially from an NFL draft perspective we felt like that was

what you guys wanted to hear the most in the season so we'll do that on Monday and then for the Stockwatch we'd love to hear segment ideas from you guys on how to do Stockwatch because we're always trying to think about better ways to do that

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But yeah, we'll be making that. announcement once we get through the hiring process hopefully we get to that before the season gets kicked off Connor anything else before we get out no just another reminder in the comment like give us feedback of what you want but that at its most basic form would give us an NFL you know geared show on Mondays and a draft college esk show on Wednesdays so if that's you feel great about that you don't want like let us know what your thing I think that's the best balance for us because also something I really enjoy about doing NFL content at least one out of the two weekly show

shows. We could talk about the rookie class that we just spent the previous year spending all our time on, as well as actual NFL takes as well. So I'm excited for it, dude. It's good to have you back. It's good to be back in the saddle. We're ready to rock and roll. Yes, we are. Yes, we are. One more position group. Then we get into big boards. We're doing the way too early mock draft. And then we get into that season swing. We're excited for all of it. Hopefully you guys are as well. For Connor Rogers, I'm Trevor Sikkimam and saying, thank you guys so much for once again watching and listening to the NFL Stock Exchange Show. We'll see you guys next week.

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