NFL Stock Exchange: An NFL Draft Podcast - Early Edge Rusher Rankings For 2026 NFL Draft (Summer Scouting)

Episode Date: July 4, 2025

15:00 - Zion Young, Missouri 16:40 - Kenyatta Jackson, Ohio State 22:55 - Mikail Kamara, Indiana 31:00 - Tyreak Sapp, Florida 38:55 - Trey Moore, Texas 43:10 - Dani Dennis-Sutton, Penn State 51:40 - Cashius Howell, Texas A&M 58:35 - Derrick Moore, Michigan 1:07:50 - Matayo Uiagalelei, Oregon 1:12:55 - Gabe Jacas, Illinois 1:18:25 - Max Llewellyn, Iowa 1:19:50 - David Bailey, Texas Tech 1:25:05 - Joshua Josephs, Tennessee 1:30:50 - LT Overton, Alabama 1:35:55 - Keldric Faulk, Auburn 1:41:30 - Rueben Bain Jr, Miami 1:47:05 - R Mason Thomas, Oklahoma 1:54:45 - T.J. Parker, Clemson

Welcome to the opening bell of the NFL stock exchange podcast. Sherpa sick and McConnell Rogers here with you guys for another edition of summer scouting. Today we're talking about edge rushers for the 2026 NFL draft class. We've got a stack show for you guys. Top 15s, individual top 15s. As you guys know, we don't talk about this amongst the week. Connor and I, in fact, we never talk. We never talk. No, I don't speak to you until the mics go on.

Yeah, we're not really, we're not even friends. We cut off all communication and then just- Strictly coworkers. The mics, you log onto the link. We're strictly coworkers. That's it. Associates. Yeah, we're here to give you, we're here to give you our top 15s individually

for the 2026 NFL Draft. Introduce some names to you guys, talk about what we like, what we don't like about some of these guys and it'll be a good time. Connor, how you doing since I haven't talked to you since the last time we recorded? I'm good, you ever have that problem when somebody asks you, hey, do you do you know so-and-so?

And you do, but they're not necessarily somebody you want to call a friend. And you have to tell them, like, yeah, I know them, but you also want to be cautious where they're like, oh, you do. And you're like, well, like, what's the word you use? I often say associate or... I don't know if I have a word that I use.

What I will do is I will just act excited about saying, yes, I know them. Right. So, so there's no questions involved. There's not like, Oh, do you like, do you know them? Well, I'll just be like, Oh yeah, yeah, yeah. I know them. Like just real quick, just like say that. And they'll be like, Oh, okay. Yeah. Yeah. And then I won't get a, I won't get a follow-up question.

Yeah. In case they're like, Oh, well, yeah., he dumped my my wife's best friend or something like that. It turns real quick You got to be very neutral in those situations or it's where you found out they got a guy Know him my buddy you see went to college with his brother and he just He got me really careful these days. Then you just go sure with it again, like ah, classic James, you know, and then you move on, you move on to something else. That's exactly right, dude.

Oh man. Okay, the Hawaiian shirt, you're putting me to shame here? Well, you got the hat of the year on, so I brought a shirt to kind of beef things up a little bit. If we combined our powers here with the hat and the shirt, we'd be golfing on this. We'd be scratch golfers. And Lord, let me tell you,

so the last two times I played golf, and everybody loves this, talking about it. I did love that in the comments, no golf talk? Yeah, yeah, yeah. And I was like, oh good, people care. We'll give you a little bit. So the last two times I golfed, I golfed so poorly that I immediately went to the driving range afterwards.

I see. So immediately. I don't think I DM'd it to you, but I wanted to. You told me you were playing that morning. And then I saw that night. Yeah, yeah. You were at the range. Yeah. And it was clearly the twilight looking aesthetic.

With the beer. With the beer, which kind of said a lot. And I was like, did he rage go to the driving range? Like on the same day he golfed? Yeah, let me get two buckets. Bucket of balls, bucket of Coronas. Like that's the move right there. Two buckets.

That was the driving range feels there. But we're not here to talk about my golf games. Does your range sell beers? Yeah. That's awesome sell beers? Yeah. Oh man, that's awesome. That's awesome. Mine isn't like that. We gotta get you down here sometime.

I actually, I think it's almost time. At some point this year, I would love to fly down for a weekend. There you go. We do a show or two. Yes. We golf and that's it. It's an easy trip. Very easy trip. That's it actually. Yeah. I can get to Charlotte from my local airport.

Not even, I don't have to go down to LaGuardia or anything. So yeah, we'll make that happen. That's a great move though, man. So tell me about the the rage experience though. The range after playing 18. Yeah, I was, you know, like you're just, you're literally tinkering with your swing in every way possible, and you hit one good drive and then four terrible drives, and then you just, it's just a, it's a bad experience. So to encapsulate this driving range, I believe, legend has it,

that this was Michael Jordan's preferred driving range that he either owned a piece of or that he would frequent and so of course you know it's outdoors you can smoke cigars they'll sell you beers that's the Michael Jordan experience my NBC co-worker Michael Jordan that's true yeah I mean you know of course I know him I work with him yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah yeah full circle you I know him, yeah, yeah, yeah. Full circle, you love to see that. What a great way to wrap it up. Okay, top 15 edge rushers, let's get into it here.

As we often do, we'll go 15 to 11, we'll go 10 to six, and then we'll dig a little bit deeper into the top five guys. So Connor, like I was talking about before with wide receivers, what I'm trying to do at PFF for our mock draft simulator, and just here on you know, for our own scouting purposes, I break them up into different categories. Now, I have a general list of top 15 because it's easy for people to digest. But just like wide receivers, I have three different categories for edge rushers. I have three, four, I have three, four edge defenders, which are sort of edge players, but they're also interior players, right? There are those guys who are lined up right over the inside shoulder of the tackle.

You know, those are guys who are playing with their hand in the dirt in odd front, three, four defensive schemes. So I have those guys classified as edge rushers because a lot of times nowadays, those players who will line up in four, I, they'll also kick out and some of them will play five technique, head up over the tackle. Some of them will stand up on the outside shoulder of the tackle. So I wrote that into edge rusher a little bit here, even though that one's kind of like edge rusher interior player I have.

So I have three, four defensive end. I have four, three defensive end, which is your traditional hand in the dirt, three point stance, five technique, even front four, three defensive ends there. And then of course I have three, four outside linebackers, the guys who are a little bit lighter, the guys who are mainly in a two point stance, they're mainly standing up, they're anywhere from a five technique head up over the, over the tackle to a wide seven, which gives you a pretty good angle in a straight line, just straight towards the quarterback. And you can really hit either inside or outside shoulder against the tackle pretty well.

So the reason why I break these up into these three different categories is because I want certain strengths to shine a little bit more for three, four defensive ends. You're prioritizing size. You've got to prioritize length because if you're playing inside the tackle, you've got to be able to take up multiple gaps. That's what is asked of you on that certain play. So strength, length, overall size. You don't necessarily have to be the quickest guy in the world, but you have to have those four, three defensive ends. These are kind of your do it all edge rushers.

Like you could be anything from a four eye technique to a seven technique. These are guys who could play in a three point stance in a two point stance. You've got to be able to win with speed on the outside shoulder. You've got to be able to be able to go through it. An offensive tackle is chess. You got to normally have an win with speed on the outside shoulder. You've got to be able to be able to go through it. An offensive tackle is chest. You got to normally have an inside move that you feel good with. You got to be good with your hands. And then those guys who are three, four outside linebackers,

or I should list weight too. For three, four defensive ends, you're probably shooting for anywhere from like 260 pounds, like 285 for four, three defensive ends. There's sort of a lot of different shapes and sizes with four, three defensive ends, but mainly you're looking for like 250 to 270 in the weight range. And then for three, four outside linebackers, boy, in today's age, it just feels like they're getting

smaller and smaller every year. So I would say anything from like 235, which is really light up to probably like 250, 255. Sometimes you get those guys in that weight range, but you're looking at speed, first step explosiveness, all that stuff is really what you're looking for. Being lighter, being a little bit more agile, having that twitch to you if you're that standup two point stance rusher. So I just wanted to say all of that is a little bit of an intro.

When I talk about these guys, I'll sort of categorize them a little bit differently. I'm sure you'll talk about those strengths for certain players as well. But just wanted to throw that out there for a little bit more detailed categories as we talk about these edge rushers. It's a great outline to kind of lay the foundation of the show because when you look at it,

there's gonna be guys, we've had these conversations over the years that there's a chance, I think it's getting less likely, but there's a chance today you might've watched a guy and I might be watching him for the interior D-line show or the other way around. Because the reality is, we've dealt with this a lot, specifically with Texas A&M last year

when you had the Shamars, where they'll just play guys all the way from a shade nose out to a seven. Like I said, where it's like, well, do I think the NFL is going to ask him to just play up to 290 and live on the inside? Or I think the NFL is going to ask him to drop down to 255 and have him stand up and play with his hand in the dirt more as a true defensive end. And you know, you see these, these transformations all the time. And today is really fun because you're right. There's just so many types of players. We're going to go through that, you know, can be specialists can be role defined.

And that is why usually the special players are three down monsters that are alignment versatile and can really wreck the game in any situation. Yeah. And we'll talk about certain roles as well. You mentioned some guys are three down type of defensive linemen that every team wants, but there are other players who are very much specialized in what they do who could still be impact players. And in fact, a guy who I have in the top three of my edge rush group, I think is a specialized player, but he's so good at what he does. I still think that's incredibly valuable. So we'll get to that, obviously, towards the end of the show. Top 15s, I'll let you start here.

15 through 11, let's hear the names, and then we'll pick out a couple and jump into their scouting reports. All right, so 15 for me is Derek Moore from Michigan. Oh, okay. Who, if people watch a lot of Josiah Stewart, of course, the two tackles last year and Mason Graham and Kenneth Grant. You know, Derek Moore was out there with those guys a lot,

ended up opting to return for his senior year, which I think is a good decision for Derek Moore. He comes in at 15 for me. 14 is Zion Young from Missouri, a bigger edge player. Missouri has some talent up front this year. Number 13 for me is Tyreek Sapp from Florida, another one of those bigger edge defenders that is truly funny to call my edge defender

because as you know very well, Trevor, he plays inside a ton for that Florida defense where you're kind of projecting what could be the best role for him at the next level. 12 for me is a total projection player because as much as he was a big recruit with all the talent they have,

he hasn't had that breakout yet, but you could see serious flashes with Kenyetta Jackson from Ohio State. This is someone, he is someone that is tools right now and his best plays are very eye-opening, but there needs to be, um, you know, just a bigger sample size and a bigger role for him where he could project up into the top 10 of this group when all is said and done or even fall backwards

in this group. And then number 11 for me is Joshua Joseph's from Tennessee. Tell me if you've heard this before. Tennessee has a standup rusher that can wreak havoc, but might be a little bit one dimensional at the moment as a designated pass rusher. Yeah. So, okay. There are two names that you have there that I did not watch, which classic. Which is unbelievable because I watched 16 in total for this. I've seen about 19 guys in this class because three of them I've watched thinking they're gonna declare.

I've watched them for other summer scouting. And I think you said you watched 23. I watched 23. So there'll be plenty that on your list that I have not seen either, which is good for this exercise. Now here's my question really quick. Did you watch, you don't have to tell me

where they're ranked or anything. Did you watch Peter Woods from Clemson or Kayla Banks from Florida for this group? No, I have them both designated for interior defensive line as you should. And Clemson, they're like, has 300 pounds. Dude, Clemson has Peter Woods listed as an edge rusher. And I'm like, so then I was like, stop it. I'm not doing this.

We've got to end this. We've got to fight back. You also don't want to. We do have to fight back. You also don't want to come this. We've got to fight back. You also don't want to. We do have to fight back. You also don't want to completely rob one. Like we're going to get into your D line and be like, yeah, cool. We took all the fun players for edge. Even though they're three hundred fifteen pounds, the episodes twenty

seven minutes long. Yeah. Hey, here's three guys we got to watch because everybody's an edge now. Whether you're two hundred. You could be a two hundred ten pound edge or three hundred thirty pound edge. Yeah, that's in this world. When you were pushing like when you're pushing 295 because there's, there's some traits that we'll obviously talk about that are the difference between being an edge rusher and being an interior defensive lineman.

The main one though is you've got to be able to threaten the outside shoulder. If you're an edge rusher, you have to be able to win with that kind of speed. You have to you have to be some sort of factor. And if you're not, I'm normally looking to kick you inside. I'm normally either looking to make you a 3-4 defensive end. We have talked about for a couple of these guys here, or I'll think about you as a three technique interior defensive lineman. And if you want to sit here and you want to say I haven't

watched Peter Woods yet, so I don't even know. Maybe maybe I'll come back on the show and be like well I was wrong but from what I've taken all that him from what I've seen from him. This is not the body type nor the skill set that you would want to be on the edge. Why would you not allow this guy's strength to shine more and instead you're just putting a light on his weaknesses where he really can't threaten the outside shoulder because if you can't threaten the outside shoulder of the offensive tackle if you don't make him hit a landmark on his kick slides that are pretty far away from his help the guard then you're not a threat if all he has to do is take one big kick slide out and all of a sudden he knows he's got you he's protecting his outside shoulder then he's much closer to his help of the guard who's next to him and maybe the running back Who's behind him as well when you really start to get into trouble is when you get these edge rushers? Who not only have the power to be able to line up either over your outside shoulder or head up against you and beat you

With power on the inside a la like a Jared verse But you also have these players who if they want to take a longer, more rounded path to the quarterback, they can threaten you on the outside and be able to get it to the outside shoulder. That's what makes a truly good edge rusher. So a little bit of a tangent there, but anyways, I would love to hear from you on Jackson from Ohio state and Zion from Missouri, because I didn't watch either of those guys. So just real quick on those guys, what you like, maybe a little bit of a background,

we'd love to hear about them. Yeah, so Zion Young was a transfer from Michigan State that has been at Missouri. This isn't his first year at Missouri. He's a senior player. He's 6'6", 265, to give you an idea of like the kind of build we're talking about. Last year he had two and a half sacks, one forced fumble,

two quarterback hits. He did have 21 hurries. So for a bigger player, the pass rush win percentage, 11.1%, he's more of a big, long, thick base defensive end that is focused on stopping the run. Like that's the name of the game for him. He is really good at taking on absorbing and fighting through contact on run plays.

When you watch him as a pass rusher and also just simply what he is asked to do in this defense, his pass rush is effort, sheer power, very little plan, not a ton of technique in terms of counter moves and not a ton of expansive creativity. So for Zion Young for me, why he made my list is at that size and what he's shown on tape, I know he could stop the run. And I know he could stop the run at a pretty high level and has an NFL body that tells me he's got a good shot to be that kind of base defense player at the next level.

Will the pass rush green light turn on? I don't really expect it to. That's why he came in at 14 for me. I think he'll be more of a run focused kind of player where you go back to, can you be a three, four end or a four, three end? He could probably do both just in a scheme that is asking him to kind of be run focused

and run responsible. With Kenyetta Jackson, I think you get a little bit more here. This is someone who is also six foot six, now 258 pounds, a little bit of a more sleek body, where I thought Zion Young was just dense, man. Like he looks like he could play in the NFL today. With Jackson, this is someone that is a former

top 75 recruit across the board. Last year, only one and a half sacks, two quarterback hits and 12 hurries. Because once again, think of the rotations and the guys. He ain't gonna play over Sawyer and JTT. Exactly. But what I really like about him is that he's got great length and he's got alignment versatility. You get to watch him as an attacking three tech. You get to watch him as a stand up edge. You get to watch him as an attacking three tech, you get to watch him as a standup edge, you get to watch him with his hand in the dirt

as a defensive end. You see him in multiple alignments and there are flashes with both speed and power as a pass rusher, right? You look at the raw numbers in the raw pass rush production and you go, well, it's not great, but then you watch some of the wins and you go, wow, if this guy plays more, he's

going to be able to attack in a variety of ways where a lot of the times where we talk about these guys that they're playing multiple alignments in college because they have to and they're asked to. I think Jackson is actually somebody that can do it at a relatively decent level going forward. I don't think it's just a college thing with him. I think he is built to play inside outside and there's a different value to that with me. Now, of course you could ask the question, maybe he also is a guy without a true position.

We're going to learn as his role expands, but I saw quick wins as a three tech. I saw enough speed as a true defensive end and he's got enough power with that body type. So I just saw a versatile player that had enough of a balance of speed and power. When you watch a lot of these guys, and this goes back to the conversation we just had with Zion Young, a lot of them are effort and power, or a lot of them are, I gotta win with agility

and speed standing up. Jackson is a total projection going forward just because we haven't seen enough, but not only with his recruiting background and pedigree, but the fact that the flashes are there on tape, even if they are a small sample size gives me a lot of hope for this guy to have a massive year for the Buckeyes. Yeah, it's you talking about the projection of guys

in different alignments. It kind of goes back to some of the conversations that we've had before about whether it's your quarterbacks or wide receivers, sometimes tight ends. But mainly there are a lot of guys on the defensive side of the ball where we have this conversation of like, they're there to win college football games, right? They're not necessarily there to groom these guys for the NFL level. And sometimes they're one in the same, right? Winning in college football is a catalyst for becoming a better pro.

So it's not always exclusive stuff, but there are a couple people in this, in this class and in this episode, did you watch will help from Purdue who's now a Clemson? So will help is let me find his measureables here. What is he? He's a true junior. So I, unless he has a monster year, I don't think he's going to declare anyways, but he is six foot six, 265 pounds. Okay. Big, long defensive lineman. They have him as a standup outside linebacker. Like he almost never puts his hand in the dirt. And it's like, what do we do?

Why are we doing this? Just change a direction, not being super flexible. Like all of that are weaknesses of his game and you are forcing him to address those and face those on a much more regular basis. Now I understand the idea of wanting to have that length on the edge because it's going to be you know advantageous when you're going up against tight ends or you know when you're when you're trying to stop you know handoffs or the quick game or things like that but anyways it's just that and then there's another player that we will

get to here that I don't want to spoil too much that it's like man what are we what are we doing with some of these alignments on some of these players? So, OK, well, it's good to get a baseline on those two guys. Now I got two more players that I got to add to the list here. Who are the other the other three that you had there? I believe they were all names that I had. Yeah, you had probably watched Derek Moore from Michigan. Yeah, well, I'll talk. We'll talk about him.

Tyreq Sapp from Florida. We'll talk about him in a second. And then Joshua Josephs from Tennessee. Yeah, we'll talk about him. Tyreq Sapp from Florida. We'll talk about him in a second. And then Joshua Josephs from Tennessee. Yeah, we'll talk about him later. Okay. So 15 to 11 for me, I have Cassius Howell from Texas A&M. I have him at number 15. He was at Bowling Green. Now he's at Texas A&M. Actually he was at Texas A&M last year. It's not like he just transferred, but this will be a second year with the Aggies. Denied Dennis Sutton, I have it number 14. Trey Moore from Texas, I have him at 13. Did you watch Trey Moore?

No, I watched the previous two. I didn't watch Trey Moore. Okay, so Trey Moore, he's listed, he was a three, four outside linebacker, edge rusher last year. And apparently they're moving him into an off- outside linebacker edge rusher last year and apparently they're moving him into an offball linebacker spot but I have to believe that even with him playing more offball responsibilities it's gonna be more as like a will linebacker anyways because they have oh my goodness who's

Hill what's his I Anthony Hill jr. they have anthony hill jr who's going to be like their mike linebacker but i think they're just going to let trey more roam a little bit more he's going to take on more off-ball responsibilities but i still think that he'll be used plenty as an edge rusher and a pass rusher so we can talk about him in a second uh i've got mchale kamara at number 12 a very polarizing prospect that is tough for me to nail down. But I do want to talk about my concerns there with him. I haven't been 10, so we could have that combo in this. OK, and then I have Tyreek Sapp at number 11.

So let's start with Mikhail Kamara. I'll mention a couple of the other dudes. Is Sutton a little bit higher or Howell a little bit higher for you? Yes, Howell will be a later conversation. I have Sutton just a little higher. OK, OK. So he's in my next group. So we'll be a later conversation. I have Sutton just a little higher. Okay. Okay. So he's in my next group. So we'll be able to talk. And how isn't how will how will is put me. Okay. Okay. You are. I thought you were about to tell me it was how top five. Okay.

All right. Close. We'll get into that conversation in a second. But I do want to talk about, um, Michael Camara first from Indiana. Then we'll talk about Tyreek Sap and then we'll sort of bounce around and talk about some of these other guys as well. So Mikhail Kamara, Indiana, redshirt senior this year had the opportunity to declare after last year's season, which I thought he had a really good year. That whole Indiana team obviously had a really good year making the college football playoff. Kurt Signetti is just a phenomenal coach, I think getting the most out of so many of these guys. When you look at his background, Kamara's,

he was a zero star, count him, zero. Right. From Ashburn, Virginia, played running back in his early days, reached the state championship in 2018, 2019. So he was just six feet tall, 240 pounds as a recruit. Now he has listed at about six foot one. I have some verified measurables on him.

Six foot one and a half is what we've got for him in 265 pounds. So he is a dense fire hydrant type of a build, but we'll talk to you about the length and the height and how that's both a positive and a negative for him. He committed to James Madison at a high school. Obviously played for Kurt Signecki while he was at James Madison.

Had shoulder surgery in one of those seasons. So he missed a little bit of time for that. Missed some time due to an ankle injury in 2012. Started all 12 games for them in 2023. Played well, transferred over to Indiana in 2024 when Kurt Signecki made that jump over there. And then he started all 13 games last season. So this is a dude that plays

with a massive chip on his shoulder. Yeah. He said, he, he has said himself, I can't remember what article this was in, but he says, quote, I'm a zero star. I can't lie. I pull it up every year when the draft comes around, they put up guys like Travis Kelsey,

some of those no star or three star guys. He said, when I get drafted, that's me. They're going to put me up there. So one, I love the confidence. I love the chip on his shoulder. He's been playing football for a long time. And this dude, he's just a football player. I mean, he said he's been playing football since he was five years old and you can

absolutely see he just loves the game. He loves being physical. He loves that contact. He has a dense, strong frame to him, such a high effort football player. You know, you get some of these guys and Connor, I'm going to be honest, like even along the defensive line, sometimes you get these players who talented, he's still wanting to get hit. They don't like the pain. You know, football is a violent game, especially in the trenches. Yeah. I mean like it didn't want to play on an Island. They want the sacks. They want the flashy plays. They want to celebrate.

They want to emote all over the quarterbacks after you get a sack Whatever it is. That's what they're focused on. Mikael Kamara wants paint He loves paint and I think that is very very valuable for a trench player and a high effort type of a player His his power at contact man. He can give you some pop especially at six foot one natural leverage He comes from that three-point stance and you play with his hand in the dirt. Although in the NFL, I think he's going to have to be more of a stand up player. I just don't think that he has that size and that length to be able to play on the edge the way that you want to full time.

So I project him as more of a three, four outside linebacker. And in fact, I project him a little bit differently. I'll get to that in a second. His hands are constantly working. I mean, he is constantly working to get clean. And you love that about him. But what I don't love is that his length and his overall size are an issue for him to where he's got to work his ass off to get clean every single play. There's just not a lot of plays that whether it

starts with a like a push pull, like a little stack and shed from him or a long arm move like you see from a lot of pass rushers or you know, something where it's like, hey, I'm getting around the outside shoulder. Here's a little a little cross chop or like a club rip or something like that. Even if he hits these moves really well, Connor, the stride length is short and the arm length is short to where even if he hits it clean, he's got to work so hard to win against college offensive tackles.

And that's only going to get more difficult in the NFL. So I love the player. I love his mentality. I'd love to have him in my football team. And to be honest with you, I thought about this. I wonder what you think about it. He's 6'1", 265. And so for this role to happen, he'd probably need to lose about 15, 20 pounds, get towards like 245. But what about him in that Ivan Pace role?

That Ivan Pace Jr. role? Think about what he was at Cincinnati. The pass rusher he was at Cincinnati is that just designated pass rusher, But often when we think of designated pastors, we just think about guys from the outside, the designated pastor up the a and the B gap constantly think about what he has been for Brian Flores in that defense that allows him to play free and with the pin is pin his ears back a little bit there. So it's, it is a massive projection,

but I love the player. I love the mentality. I don't want that part to go to waste. Maybe he could lose a little bit of weight and be that designated blitzing linebacker type of a player because I just don't know if he has the length to play as an edge rusher in the NFL. Mikhail Kamara is the exact example of somebody that a fan, a football watcher, enjoyer,

respecter just loves. Yes. NFL scout hates, hates. Yeah. And it's because he'd be considered an outlier if he had NFL success. I love this player. I got to do a tape breakdown on him last season for NBC

that's still on YouTube if you just search Mikhail Kamara, NBC. And I think it's no surprise that he's one of the guys from JMU that Signetti brought with him because as you led with Trevor, he is a Signetti guy true and through where he gets off the ball and it's just furious attack mode all the time, all the time.

It's relentless, it's high effort. Now, here's the problem when you do have to play like that. There's plenty of times where because he plays like a madman and we love that about him, he loses sight of play development sometimes where he's just fighting like a madman. Because I actually, to counter your point about the Ivan Pace roll,

which I don't think is crazy, but something I like about him is at that weight and his low center of gravity, I think he sets a hard edge and competes against the run. He'll give you some pop for sure. He does not let up against the run, even though he doesn't have the length to stay off blocks. He has that dog in him

on the line of scrimmage where he goes, move somebody else at the point of attack. It's not gonna be me. But the problem is, because he's 120% effort and it's all body, right? Like you see, we're gonna talk about some guys at the top, where they can get off the ball, they could plant one leg that looks like it's 250 pounds on its own,

put one arm under the chest, and keep their head up, watch the run development, use the other arm to get off the block and make a play on the ball carrier. But Kyle Kamara, who I give more credit to what he's maxed out, right? He's maxed out his physical capabilities, and I really tip my cap to that.

He doesn't have that luxury, because he doesn't have the length, he doesn't have the size, or the raw athletic gifts all the time, where he has to just be kind of this bull all the time. And sometimes when you play like that, you can lose sight of the play. So I'm rooting for this guy to make it. I had him pretty similar to you. I ultimately ended up having him at 10 because I think he is a really impressive college player. I know all the effort I'm getting. I like his compete level against the run.

I saw variety in his pass rush plan. Like this guy takes his craft very seriously. You get to see him work inside, outside, hand counters, counter spin move that he's crafted really well. But the 11th percentile miss tackle rate kind of signals more of a length problem with him. And sometimes losing sight of the ball. I think he is more of a skilled college rusher

than an explosive dynamic athlete for the next level. So we're gonna see where his development continues to go, but there's no denying the kind of player that he is right now. So you had him at 10, I had him at 12. Um, let's talk about Tyreek sap, who I have at 11 and where did you have 13? Okay. So you had him at 13. So very similarly there as well. Redshirt senior university of Florida, go Gators. Uh, listed at six foot three, 276 pounds.

It's a large fella. Yeah. And he's built super well, man. Sometimes you get these guys, once you start pushing weight, especially above, I'll say 265 for an edge rusher. He's broad. Sometimes you can start to get sloppy with it, right? It's a lot of weight that you don't necessarily need on your body. I mean, he in pads, he looks like a cyborg, man.

He looks like he has most of his weight in his chest, in his upper back, his shoulders, his thighs, and his hamstrings, in his glutes. He looks like he is built in a lab type of a type of advantage rusher to have 275 pounds on him. So he is a big strong dude, four star defensive lineman. First and foremost, I will say this, not related to Warren Sapp. Not related to Warren Sapp at all whatsoever. Just to get that-

That we know of. Sure, okay. I mean- Just throw a grenade in it. I was trying to put it to rest. I was trying to shut a nail in the coffin. And you're like- This fella, but one look at this fella.

Man, he can play on the defensive line. You know, I can understand why people come to that that conclusion but he has even said himself no relation to Warren Sapp. Again that he knows of. Went to St. Thomas Aquinas in high school. Distant cousin? Aren't we all distant cousins? Yes.

Descendants kind of. Red shirt his first year when he was at Florida. Played as a rotational player in 2022 started over the last two years in 2023 and 2024. Strong as knocks. And more than that intelligent run defender. That's how I would start the scouting report for Tyree staff for Tyree staff looks the part of an NFL defensive lineman knows how to defend the run. I think his his what he wants to do is he

wants to dominate the person in front of him while holding the line of scrimmage. Even in his pass rush, you can see that a little bit. A critique I have of him as a pass rusher, I don't know if this guy's ever going to be a great pass rusher. I can't remember if his pass rush win percentage was double digits last year, but if it was, it wasn't by much. 12.9.

Yeah, so he's just not much of a passer-through himself. And honestly his pass rush plan, a lot of times it's just too much crashing into bodies. Like that's what he's trying to do. He's just trying to be a wrecking ball instead of just like having an actual plan with moves to try to win one-on-one. He is one of those guys that he'll reduce down into a four I technique. He'll play inside the tackle quite a bit,

but he'll also play heads up as a five technique guy. I've got him listed as a three, four defensive end, because I think he can do both of those things for you. So, when I watch him though, the positives, man, when I say an intelligent run defender, I mean he knows where the ball is going. He anticipates things very well. His stack and shed timing is excellent. And the reason why it is because those hands, those strong hands, they get up and inside consistently.

He has hand and leverage placement all the time to be able to get in on that tackle or guard that he's going up against, peek his eyes into the backfield and then just go, okay, now and he just throws them to the side, no matter who it is. And so as a run defender, we're talking about somebody who really knows how to do it and takes pride in it something I also saw he takes pride in taking on pullers You know sometimes you look at these defensive linemen and again some of the guys that love the flash of the position more than The dirty work they'll see these pulling guards tackles tight ends and split zone flow whatever you want to say and they're like, okay

I'm gonna put my shoulder into it, but really I'm gonna get knocked back a little bit not trying to hurt myself Tyreechaps like all right come here run into the brick wall let's go yeah me versus you yeah I always do it I like my odds and I just you love defensive lineman that'll take pride in the run game like that I think the thing with him and the reason why he's a little bit lower despite praising him as a run defender the way that I am is These arms a little bit shorter than what you want makes it a little bit more difficult for him to Certainly win as a pass rusher

But sometimes even get off of those blocks when it comes to run defense and so lack of length Goes into success that you have at the NFL position or at the NFL level Once the competition level jumps up a little bit there And they just don't know if he's ever gonna be the pass rusher that you want him to be, right? Outside of a nice bull rush and a power profile, where, like I said, he's kind of crashing into offensive linemen, is he ever really going to be that pass rusher for you? And if he's not, how high do you prioritize that?

And I want to make it clear, this is somebody who is, I think, like a mid-round pick type of a projection, like third round. I think it'd be great for Tyree Sap, right? And I think that that's the type of player he is. But when I see him in the early first round projection, in my opinion, we've got to see a lot more as a finesse player than what we have seen over the last two years in order for me to say, yeah, I'd take this guy at the back end of the first round, because you could talk about high floor all you want. But first round, yeah, you got to have a certain floor. But it's also about hitting a ceiling. It's also about being an impact player. And he'll be an impact player against run. I just don't know how much he's going to be an impact player against the pass. Totally agree with you, but I'll say this Trevor. He's the guy, one of my football team. That's, that's how I felt when I watched the tape of this guy. I was like, man, he might not get, you know, the typical love a prospect gets pre-draft because he might not

excite you from a highlights perspective. But if I'm building a football team and I'm building rotations of a defensive line in a league where everybody is trying to establish the run to obviously round out their offense and help their pass game and help out their young quarterbacks and help them play on the road and control the clock. This is the kind of football player that I want on my defensive line room that I know is gonna fricking show up ready to go, like you said, me versus you,

I'm gonna win, I like my odds. And if you have a couple of these guys, it's a very sandpaper looking unit up front that doesn't take any shit. So, and you said something that I was so happy to hear from you at the beginning because this isn't just a, hey, I'm bigger, I'm stronger, I'm tougher. I think this guy's smart as hell.

But it is wild to him, I think it was against LSU because I wanted to see him against an NFL caliber offensive line, a lot of guys that are NFL players. I mean, no contest against the run, just blowing up the backfield because this goes back to the Mikhail Khmer conversation. This guy is so physically imposing, he plays with his head up a lot where the contact balance is so good that even if he doesn't see the contact coming on or doesn't brace for it head on, he can absorb it and work through

it. He can actually shoot gaps at his size, but he also knows how to get under pads, stack and shed, that squat he built can hold the point of attack. He gets slip blocks, he can play inside, he can play outside. I don't think he'll ever be some kind of top notch pass rusher, but I know this guy is an NFL caliber run defender.

I was a big fan of the body, the IQ, and just what he brings to the field snap after snap. So he's somebody who I'm not saying like he's not going to get resigned by the team that drafts him. But what I'm saying is I could imagine this player being a little bit of a journeyman, but he could have like a 10 year NFL career. Sure. We need a hard nosed run stopper on the edge on our base downs and we're getting embarrassed out there. Yeah. This is at least, this is at least a two, three contract player in my opinion. I would, I would definitely bet on him. Maybe saying

that and talking about the floor. Maybe I don't have him high enough, but we'll talk about that right now. Yeah. A little bit higher. Cause the two guys I have ahead of him are our projections, but he's a better, three guys I have ahead of him. He's a he's a better three guys I have ahead of him. He's a better player than right now for an NFL singular role. But that's kind of the time of year, right? 100. You're going to take those chances. And then when we recalibrate in December, yes. Oh, all of a sudden, I like the floor of this guy.

I'll make him right. Put him higher. That's the name of the game. Once the draft class is solidified, it is a little bit of a different conversation. I'll touch on Trey Moore really quick and then we can hit a couple of the guys that bleed into the top 15 to top 10. Trey Moore, he's a redshirt senior this year at Texas. Listed at six foot one and a half, 245 pounds, obviously a three, four outside linebacker type. So fourth percentile in height, seventh percentile in weight,

much lighter player. He was a zero star, again, edge rusher in that 2021 class ended up committing to UTSA. Redshirt his first year started all 14 games the next year started 12 games in 2023 was the AAC defensive player of the year and first team all conference transferred to Texas started all 16 games last season for Texas, which you love to see. He is super nimble on his feet. He is so quick.

The thing that I love about him is and Steve Sarkisian said this as well, he has this ability despite being a little bit smaller. I mean, he gets so skinny between these blockers. He's just, whether it's, whether it's truly like crossing the face of the offensive lineman or just getting skinny right in between where the guard in the center or the guard in the tackle are,, he just knows how to get by offensive lineman. He's so slippery in how he is as a pass rusher. I think the arm length appears to be adequate and effective for the NFL level. I think that he can get, he's flexible so he can get, um, I'll sort of, I'll, I'll talk about pre snap stance a little bit here with this. So he doesn't have any,

so he doesn't have any false steps And I think that he could get low. So what I want everybody to do, obviously everybody that's not currently moving, whether you're going on a run or walking or driving, please don't close your eyes. But anybody else who might be sitting there, close your eyes really quick and just think of it, okay? Think about squatting down into a stance and loading your weight onto your quads. That's what you want as an edge rusher. You want to be balanced, you want to be low and you want to be compact. And the

reason why is because when you can load more of your weight onto your quads, especially that front quad, you can maximize the power that you have in your first step going that direction. Some guys have a little bit of a false step. We'll talk about this where they're either trying to launch off of their back foot or even worse, sometimes they might be, you know, at the snap, they might put their back foot down and then put their front foot down and then launch towards where the ball is.

And that kind of involves a little bit of football stepping. You're wasting a little bit of time there. Trey Moore gets low and loaded on that front quad to where he uses that quickness and that burst to really put stress on the offensive lineman he's going up against, especially those offensive tackles that he might be facing if he's in that wide seven or six alignment, whatever it is attacking that outside shoulder. So just think of the physics that sort of go into when you have a proper pre snap stance, when you are a proper pre snap stance,

when you are flexible enough to get low, to get loaded and to be powerful on that front foot. That is what train more does really well and what helps him still be a good pass rusher, despite being of that lower weight profile. The quickness I think is better than the top speed forum, but he still is somebody who I think could generate quite a bit of pressures. And ultimately just I'm sort of a tweener on, okay, is he that off ball linebacker?

Is he gonna be that on ball linebacker? But he's such a smart, such a good football player, three straight years of starting experience. Steve Sarkisian obviously trusted him a ton to be a full-time starter in his first year that he was there. Now they're trying to get him on the field in any way that they can.

So they're moving him to off ball linebacker a little bit. I think that's a freedom thing as well. They want him to be able to roam the field. So just a good football player, a smaller player for somebody of his weight, uh, for, for somebody who is playing the position at the NFL level. But I think he'll get a chance to play in the league, whether it's an off ball or edge, just because of how quick and how slippery he is at pass rusher. Yeah.

I'm excited to get a look at him now because he was somebody that I didn't get to see for this. But here in that, man, you got to have a way to win and you got to have a calling card to win. And if you had that, you can kind of use that to your advantage while rounding out everything else. And I think that's that's going to be the goal for him this year. OK, so the let's see. for him this year. Okay, so the, let's see, 15 to 11 for me was Howell, Sutton, Moore, Kamara, Sapp. We've talked about Moore, Kamara, and Sapp.

Where did you have Sutton? I have Sutton at eight. Okay, so let's talk about Sutton. I'll let you start the conversation with him there because you've got him at eight. I have him at 14, and then we'll probably read the top fives from 10 to six after that. All right, so is his first name just Danny?

No, it's Deny. Deny, that's what I thought because it's not spelled like Danny. Deny Dennis Sutton. Yes. DDS, that's an easy trifecta there. But listen, six foot five, 265 pound. I believe.

Large, large human being. He is, when you look at these weights and then you watch the player, not all 265 pounds look the same. Sutton's 265 pounds looks like maybe even 270 pounds at times. Last year breakout season, eight and a half sacks, two four

spumbles. Obviously this Penn State front was pretty dang good as it often is. 13 quarterback hits. He had 23 hurries, a 14.4% pass rush win rate. Considering how much mass he holds, Trevor, that we just talked about, I was pretty impressed how he gets off the ball. You have to evaluate these things differently. And for a guy with his kind of size, it's not gonna look like a 240 pound standup rusher. Right.

But I thought, and a lot of it is, he has the ability to time the snap. There was a few times where I saw him trying to time the snap and he got off the ball with the snap, which was a interesting skill for any college player to have. We saw James Pierce do this a lot last year. He has a nasty spin move on interior rushers.

So what I know, Penn State loves to do this. They've done this for a really long time now. They like to take their edge rushers and on certain downs, they'll have them stand up over guards and centers because they just believe in their athleticism over those guys, they could freeze their feet. So him knowing this, he likes to use the spin move on the interior blockers because he doesn't believe

that they have the feet to match up with it. And he was right more often than not. It's a really impressive interior spin move. He had a sack against Marcus Bow now on the Giants, but obviously was on Purdue, right tackle for Purdue with a swipe move. I always try to write down when a prospect cleanly beats an NFL guy and what move it was because that's a big sign. Like these are the guys you're going to see at the next level. And I thought Bow was a really good prospect and a good pick for the New York Giants.

But the fact that Dennis Sutton was able to cleanly beat him for a sack in 2024 was a really, really good mark to put on his resume. A couple of weaknesses with him, I think he plays too upright. And it's great that he's big. He looks like he is standing fully vertical throughout every single rep.

And it's just tough to play like that in the NFL because you're gonna get knocked around that way. When his rush stalls out early, I just didn't see an ability to counter consistently. Like he's that guy that when you watch him use that spin move on interior blockers, you see the swipe against a guy like Bo and you look at his size and his ability

at his size to get going, you get excited. But when you watch more and more snaps that are dead snaps, it's like, God, he stalled out on the rush and he just didn't know what to do. And then the last thing for me that I don't really think can be fixed, I didn't see high-end flexibility and agility.

I think when you're upright and you're a little stiff, it's he's somebody to me that I think the tape is pretty good with his wins, but I think I don't see the ceiling with him at all. Like I think there are physical limitations that come with his size and I'm talking about he's so big that he doesn't have the agility and flexibility or the pad level of a lot of these other guys that led him to being eighth for me. So I have him listed as a three, four defense event because I want to get the most out of what he does really well, which is be big

and be really difficult of a block for interior offensive lineman. And I do not want to ask him to have to win versus the outside shoulder or win versus like as a, as like a crossup agile type of athlete. He is not good when it comes to changing direction. He is not very flexible. And you mentioned he's got a great first step when he gives himself the green light, but it's not like an always innate type of thing. So to me, if you kick him inside and you say, I'm going to, I'm going to draft him as a three, four defensive end for an odd front.

Now, all of a sudden you get most of the, almost all of the strengths of what he is as a player, as a supersized player, and you don't really have to think too much about the weaknesses, especially if you're in a situation where maybe you're a defensive front that loves to, you know, run stunts and games and have crashes and loopers. I mean, this dude is a crasher would be incredibly effective taking up blocks and then letting whoever the stand outside linebacker is loop right over him and get to the quarterback. All that is very, very effective.

So I think his most likely path to being a top 100, top 75 pick is for a team that will let him reduce inside and be more of that three, four defensive end type of a player. So that's sort of what I thought of him as well. Yeah, this is a classic case of what Penn State wants him, needs him to do versus what could be best for the player. Reminding me a little bit of AJ Eponessa, right?

And I remember watching. That's an interesting one. I remember watching Eponessa when he was coming out of Iowa and I was like, okay, big Clearly like they're gonna bet the NFL is gonna bet on him and where did where did that been ace to get picked? The third round I know it was Buffalo. No, it was I think it was the second round. Okay Yeah, he went pick 54 in the second round and even that I think Was a little bit early for the player that they got. Now you take a chance on him and I don't, I don't think that Sutton's going to get out of the top 100 just because of how

he is built and the type of linear athlete that he is. But to me, he plays that type of a role where I think that Buffalo really wanted Epanesa to develop into this much more reliable pass rusher type of a player. And he just didn't. And his length is always valuable, but it's just Where you put that value and I'm a little bit lower on that even for a guy who is physically gifted the way the Sutton is So that's why I've got him at number 14 Give me your

10 through 6 because I think we could talk about howl and and more after that so 10 was um and more after that. So 10 was Mikhail Khmerov, who we talked about. Oh yeah, right, okay, we got him. Nine was Matteo Uyunga-Lele. That's so funny. Is he nine?

He's nine for me. There we go. That's so funny because so many people love him. Of course, I mean, he's gonna be a fascinating conversation. And we both, I wondered if you would have him top five and I was gonna have to be the hater. No, I think, wow, for such a polarizing player,

it is funny, out of a list of 15, we had him exactly nine. By the way, it turned out one of years old this week. Oh, happy birthday, happy birthday, Patel. From the NFL's Nike chains. Yes, right, he ninth. Happy birthday. Hey, top From the NFL's Nike chains. Yes. Right here, ninth. Happy birthday. Hey, top 10, top 10. Top 10 player.

Okay, all right, you got him at nine. Keep going. Dennis Sutton was eight, who we just had the conversation with. So we've had the conversation with Kamara and Dennis Sutton. Number seven for me, Max Llewellyn from Iowa. What? Didn't watch him. Okay.

He looked at me like, what the hell's wrong with you? Yeah, no, I didn't watch him. No, it's okay. I mean, that means you're gonna have somebody in your, I think your top seven that I didn't see for sure. And then six for me was Cassius Howell from Texas A&M, who you had. Who did you watch?

Who did you watch? Yeah, cause I mean, I have, my top fives are, I think household names, like big time household names. So there's gotta be somebody in your next group that I didn't watch. Okay. Or maybe two people. Let's talk about, let's talk about Howell or Moore,

because it's funny, I have Howell 15, and you had him six, you said? I have Howell sixth. I had him six, you said? I have Howell sixth. I have Derek Moore seven. Okay. And you had him like 14, right? 15, yeah. 15, so we're almost an exact flip on

Yeah, that's really weird. this type of player. So dealer's choice, we can pick whoever you wanna start with. Why don't I rip through Howell and then you rip through more? Fine. So people get the higher end of each first.

Cassius Howell, you said it, transferred from Bowling Green to Texas A&M, played for A&M last year as a senior, he's 6'4", 235 listed. He had four sacks, six quarterback hits, 23 hurries last year with A&M, think of all the bodies on that defensive line. The previous year at Bowling Green,

he had nine and a half sacks. He, despite having mediocre box score production in 2024, when you adjust it for his actual pass rush opportunities, he had a 92nd percentile pass rush win rate, 19.9% last year. So when this guy got his pass rush opportunities in this Texas A&M defense that Trevor and I have famously hated at times for absolutely now does make you have NFL responsibilities and I've asked multiple guys on that defense before but it does absolutely hurts your pass rush production dude this guy is a stand-up rusher twitched up twitched up like you don't want to be on an island in front of this guy

I think he might have the nastiest spin move of this group. It's between him and one other guy. I'm talking this spin move is in today's NFL, I think it would be top five. He hits it clean. He hits it clean. It is vicious, vicious. Now the thing with him that I absolutely love,

his change of direction, once again, going back to rushing on an island, allows him to dip around the outside shoulder all in one motion. There's no loss of momentum to me. I saw him beat the outside shoulder and I was like, yep. I think this dude, at times, looked like the best pure pass rusher on a defensive line

that had multiple top NFL prospects. Wow, okay, okay. I felt like he kinda struggled at times to change direction and corner. Oh no, I was a bit- But you have that as a strength. Yeah, I liked him a lot in that regard. I thought he can win inside, outside on an island in a defense that didn't let guys,

we had this conversation with Nick Skorton all the time. Like this defense doesn't give those guys a ton of, with his opportunities assumingly increasing this year, I think he'll, now it's this defense, so be careful, but I think he'll double his sack production. No, because who's the other young edge rusher they have? That's not eligible, right? Yeah, he's a sophomore.

Who is it? I'll pull it up in a second. They're always talented up front. Who is that kid? Who is it? It's not TJ Searcy. Who is it? I'm not sure. Yeah I'm not sure.

They're always just loaded. They have two rotations full of defensive line. Oh, is it Kennedy? No, I'm not. Yeah, I really don't get as much eyes on guys that aren't eligible until the season. Now. I don't remember. All right.

Well, I'm gonna have to hit up my texting and people see if somebody transferred or if I'm just not remembering things correctly. Man. So there are things that I certainly like about how I think he's got. have to hit up my texting and people see if somebody transferred or if I'm just not remembering things correctly. Um, man, so there are things that I certainly like about how I think he's got, so he's listed a little bit lighter, right? He's six foot two, 250 pounds. So that's 10 percentile 15, 15 percentile. I have, as a three, four outside linebacker stand up edge rusher. So that's fine. It's not the worst without a doubt. Um, he's competitive against the run.

He shows way better pop at contact than you would expect for somebody who's like 245, 250. And like you said, like variety of pass rush moves. Like he's trying a lot of stuff. The inspied spin move is really good. Max's Mize is the arm length for a good bowl rush. The things that I didn't love about him is one, I gotta go back and I gotta watch a couple more games because I have it

written down that I, I felt as though he was a little bit stiff and he didn't corner super well. And you're saying that that was a strength of his. So I got to go back and I got to watch cause I had, it was good enough. Yeah. I had, I had some limited flexibility in there from him. And this is one of those guys that he's got a false step in, in his rush consistently. He is standing up, and I painted the picture to you guys earlier. Instead of just launching off of that front foot, he will tap the front foot to

the left or right by an inch or two. And then he will tap the back foot and he will like launch off of the back foot. It's like, don't do that. Just launch off the front foot. You'll be an even better pass rusher, which is actually, that goes more into your point, because that is totally fixable. Like that's something that I was like,

he's gotta fix the ball step. Yeah, that's an interesting point. Also with his defense at times, I watch a lot of these guys hesitating off the ball because I think they are told to be very read and react way too often. Maybe, maybe. Like it's just, I was the first thing I asked Nick Skorton

at the combine, I was like, what is it like going from Purdue's defense where it felt like you just get off the ball and go all the time to A&M? And he's like, it is very, very different. He's like not making excuses for the pass rush production, but it is, there are rules in a landscape like college football where not a lot of defenses

have that many rules. Right, right. Two plays for me that sold me on his athleticism by the way. Yes, let's hear it. One, he, against USC, he had a self tipped interception. He literally- I did see that play.

And I was like, that concentration in body control was insane for somebody that, I thought he looked bigger than 235. I know he's listed 235. I think he could easily play at 245. He's listed at 235? Yeah. Why do I have to do 250?

Okay, so maybe that's an old weight. Because he does not look anything like 235. To me. So an ESPN has him at 245. You have him at 250. Okay, hold on. Let me check my file. I have some verified weights. Yeah, me too actually. That would probably help.

His verified weight is 249 right now. Okay, great. All the better. This second. too actually that would probably help. His verified weight is 249 right now. Okay great. All the better. This second. Yeah, somebody go measure him. The second play. It's a 250.

Did you see him run and cover Mason Taylor? He had to on a one. No I didn't watch the LSU game. It was a wheel route and he has to run and cover Mason Taylor one-on-one and he breaks up the pass damn Okay. All right, so like once again this pod I'm watching the LSU game. He could be somebody that You know is kind of a little bit of everything and that always scares you at the NFL level Where it's like he could do some things off the ball because he's so freaky and then he could have some moments of great Pass rushing but is he big enough and strong enough to be a consistent threat? But yeah, those two plays I was like, I mean

That's pretty friggin impressive for a guy that size. Yeah, pretty good athleticism right there All right, so I gotta watch the LSU game immediately after this. So I'll talk about Derek Moore from Michigan Senior at Michigan this year six foot three 265 pounds although from Michigan. Senior at Michigan this year, 6'3", 265 pounds. Although, man, do I have that right at 265? Now I'm like doubting. I'll tell you, I had 256. Where is he? Derek Moore. And I feel- The sheet I have says 265. I have a sheet that says 256. I guess we'll meet in the middle. All right, 260 it is. So he's six foot three, 260, whatever that looks like. Four star defensive lineman.

Michigan, I'm always not cautious with Michigan. Lot of lies over the years. Lot of lies. Mason Graham, like 30 pounds lighter than we ever thought. Yeah, it's tough. These three cones that are people teleporting and then nobody wants to run it. I'm juicing the numbers for Bruce Feldman. They're juicing them.

I have some questions, but I'll stay silent for now. So he played in all 14 games of True Freshmen, played in all 15 games of Sophomore, started all 12 games last season, is coming back to start once again. I think this is a very, very technically refined pass rusher. This is somebody who absolutely knows how to get after the quarterback. His passage, win percentage in his career. Let me look this up really quick because it is impressive. Last year it was 23.1% the year before it was 15.5%. So, you know, I will say this though, as a caveat, he was put in a position to really succeed.

As another three, four outside linebacker type, he was lined up as a wide seven edge rusher. And so once again, once you close your eyes and picture this, if you're thinking about a defensive front, if you, the wider of an alignment that you have as a pass rusher, the straighter your path is to the quarterback. So you know how if you're if you're if you're lined up straight over the outside

shoulder of the offensive tackle, in order for you to get to the quarterback, what you have to do is one, you have to get even and beyond the shoulder of the offensive tackle after the ball is snapped. So you have to be fast enough to do that. You have to win cleanly, obviously, because you can't let the offensive tackle get his hands on you as you are becoming even with their shoulder, their outside shoulder. And you have to have the flexibility and

agility to turn that corner around the offensive tackle and sort of bend and dip around the edge up the arc and right to the quarterback for the sack. That is difficult to do because not everybody has that combination of flexibility bend twitchiness and first step explosiveness. It's a very tough thing to do. So the further you kick your edge rushers out your stand-up edge rushers out the straighter their path is to the quarterback

They don't have to bend really they're just running in a straight line They're aligning themselves to where the offensive tackle has to glee has to basically beat them to a landmark Or they are going to be able to run straight to the quarterback if they have a three or a five step drop After the snap, especially if they're doing that from the shotgun. When you do that, you also put stress on the offensive tackle because you're moving them further away from their help on the interior with the interior offensive lineman. And if they are an offensive tackle that really struggles to extend their

kick slides and get out to that landmark, then they're also going to expose their inside shoulder, which gives you, you know how we talk about two way goes from slot wire for slot wide receivers. It's a little bit of a two way go for a pass rusher. So all of that to say, Michigan had the luxury of having two behemoths on the interior defensive line of having two behemoths on the interior defensive line in Mason Graham and Kenneth Grant, who could take up multiple gaps at any given time in any alignment, which allows you

to then put your edge rushers, Josiah Stewart and Derek Moore, further out, because you don't have to worry about defending the run and the gaps as much, because you've got those two behemoths that are in the middle. So that is a catalyst for why the passage wind percentage is as high as it was. I understand that I wanted to give you guys the context. However, Derek Moore, the hands constantly active, constantly working to get clean.

Love that. I think he's a smart Russia, really good understanding of leverage, how to attack, uh, when to attack certain areas of the half man, as they say, of offensive lineman. Quickness to win across the face. I thought he was able to get across the face of offensive lineman very well. Good first step explosiveness, effective speed to power, no matter what his weight is, 235, 245, 255, Lakers in five. 305. my new one tech, the, uh, the arm length, uh, is, is a little bit of a concern with him and matches the lower, I think, height percentile that he has there for an edge rusher. He's another five.

He is another guy. What was it? What was I supposed to say? That's the, that's the line. That's the line. I gotta say it. LeBron's leaving his kid. He's like, see ya.

I'm going somewhere where we got a shot. Yeah, he's going to the magic what Can have a sleep on the magic he's I would never as a Florida native I would never he can have a little bit of a false step out of that two-point stance as well that I think needs To be cleaned up and his short his strides are a little bit shorter So it takes him a couple more steps to get where he wants to go But as a three four outside linebacker, especially one that you put in pass rush situations, I think he's got the pass rush IQ, the quickness, the hand usage to be somebody who could be effective at the NFL level. Listen, I don't really disagree with a lot of what you said about him as a pass rusher. I really wanted to like him more. Once I saw the metrics

on him and how much I liked Josiah Stewart, I was like, oh man, this guy's gonna end up in my top 10 easily. Some of the concerns that I had that kept him out of that was that I thought he was kind of an average athlete for a finesse rusher, right? Where he doesn't, I didn't see pop or power in his hands. Like he's not gonna just like jolt you and try to run through you or stun you to get off the block.

He has quick feet that he likes to beat you on those advantageous islands that you laid out because of their interior. And I think if you're gonna play like that, you need to be a pretty high end athlete. And I wasn't convinced of that after watching him. I think the low conversion rate of pressures into sacks highlighted some of that, where it was,

I have a big disruption rate, but such a low conversion of those disruptions into sacks because I don't think he has that burst and pursuit and explosiveness that some of these guys that are more finishers have. And then the last concern is, and this is a concerniveness that some of these guys that are more finishers have. And then the last concern is, and this is a concern for a lot of these guys, so this isn't a Derek Moore thing.

I thought he got folded in the run game a lot. And like when they wanted to really designate a tackle or a puller at him and run his way, it's just not an easy, like I don't think you'll have the advantage at the next level that he has at Michigan. And this is the case for a lot of these guys. This isn't a Derek Moore thing. So this isn't just a pick on him. But I didn't come away convinced that the run defense is going to get where it needs to be. I didn't think he was a terrible run defender. It's not where he's going to make his money at the NFL. If he could be mediocre, then he'll be fine, more than fine.

Okay. Yeah. So, I mean, he's in both our rankings and you can't say that about everybody. So Derek Moore, I think it was a really good decision for him to go back to school because I do think some of the things, I think he can continue to improve the ways he wins as a pass rusher. And instead of having a million pressures and only four sacks, can you become more of a finisher, a closer,

get eight sacks? Cause that's a skill to me. And that would make him, in my opinion, a more desirable designated pass rusher. I think that's fair. Converting those pressures into sacks is definitely a fair call out there. 10 to six for me.

David Bailey from Stanford, I have it 10. Did you watch him? Yeah, I did. He's in my top five. Okay, so I got David Bailey at number 10. Mateo Uyunga-Ley, I have it number nine. Same geez. Gabe Jackas, do you watch him?

So he's one of the guys that wasn't in my 16, but I've seen him play. Is it Ackus? J-A-C-A-S. I know how it's spelled, but for some reason from a pronunciation, I had it in my doc. It's Ackus?

But I don't want to- It's a soft J, it's literally a soft J? I'm not declaring that 100% right. Is going jogging? Pronunciation's on the internet. In fact, folks, everything you read on the internet is not true. You call him Yakis because the dude's built like an actual train.

I like that you have him there because he was awesome as a freshman, insanely underwhelming as a sophomore, and it feels like he got his groove back last year a little bit. He's a fun conversation to have. So I have him at number eight, I have Derek Moore at number seven, and then I have LT Overton from Alabama at six. I have Overton at five, so that'll be an easy combo. Okay. Let's talk about Mateo Uyenguile. Alabama at six. I have over 10 at five so that'll be an easy combo. Okay let's let's talk about Matteo Iunglele. I'll hit on Jackus, Yakus, Akus and then we'll keep going here. So Matteo you had him at nine, talk to me about

Matteo and then we'll move on. Man what an interesting player right because not just the fact that he just turned 20 this month. So he will be on Giraffe Night just 20 years old with all of this potential. Happy birthday. Big nonstop happy birthday is in the chat, please. Yes, please represent. Give Matteo a big happy birthday. True Jr. 65270. I think if I just wanted to stand in front of an Edge Pass rusher and like want them to look a certain way, it looks like him for the most part.

He is a really, really well built human being with the mass, the height. I think he had pretty good length. Now, last year just the raw production, this is a former five star recruit by the way, consensus top 50, much higher on certain recruiting services than that, so this guy was a big deal. Last year as a true sophomore, 10 and a half sacks,

four quarter pack hits, 18 hurries, 15.5% pass rush win rate. Kind of the opposite of Derek Moore. Yeah, he was converting his pressures into sacks a lot. I'm not gonna call it a fluke, but I think we're due for a little regression if he has the same season. Well, hold on. We actually have a cleanup sack percentage. What was it? So his cleanup slash pursuit pressure into sacks was 19.4%, which is 60th percentile. I'd call him like a 7 sack guy%, which is 60th percentile.

It's not the worst. I call him a seven sack guy, which is fine. Which is fine. I think that there was a couple times where I was like, oh yeah, that's fortunate. That doesn't mean they didn't have a good season, because he did. He, and part of the reason why he converts

so many pressures into sacks, getting away from just the cleanup stuff, he has these massive strides, where if he beats the blocker, it feels like in two and a half strides, he's at the quarterback, where the smaller guys don't have that advantage. I thought that was a really, really important skill for him.

I like the variety in his pass rush plan. I saw him win with agility, I saw him win with some power. I think that he's still very raw. And I thought the biggest disappointment to me was, and this is something with the run defense that can carry over to the pass rush at times, the run defense is a total work in progress.

And it's not that he's just not strong enough yet. I thought the awareness was below average. I thought the first step was often late. And I think he can't get off blocks. And as a pass rusher, there are flashes of brilliance, but there are long examples of him also getting stuck on blocks. So Matteo to me is somebody that, he just turned 20.

I mean, the trajectory for this guy is he can be a really, really high end prospect. I do think that people will maybe get a little over their skis with him and that's okay. That's the point of summer scouting and bet on that happening, where I don't think it's as simple as, you know, I remember Nick Bosa and Chase Young

and guys like that going into their junior year where you were like, it's all just there and you're just gonna see them explode. I think there's a couple of significant points of development that still need to happen for him to become a first round prospect. I didn't see that kind of, he's not an every down player right now. Yeah, look, he's got a lot of what you want. Big long frame. I think he'd hold even more weight on his frame, honestly. Like he makes 270 look like a small forward. Yeah, like he looks like he'd easily play it like 280, which is great, I think,

because that would help his run defense stuff. High effort player, I think he's a high motor player. He's always playing through the whistle, which I love. I like the fact that he tries a lot of different pass rush stuff. I thought he was a little bit stiff in the agility, the change of direction, the bend. I felt like that was a little bit lacking from his profile. But I wonder if that just goes into overall, like he just plays very upright. And like Sutton, he's got to play way lower.

He's got to be able to get down. He's got to be able to get loaded. He's got to be able to control that leverage a lot more. It's tough for guys that are taller, right? Like they don't want to get down. They're big. It's more body to get down, but he's just got to be able to do that leverage a lot more. And it's tough for guys that are taller, right? Like they don't want to get down. It's more body to get down, but he's just got to be able to do that

in order to convert that speed to power better, to maximize his length, to defend the run better. He's got to play with much better pad level. And so I think that this is a good football player right now. Like I think Matteo gets drafted in the third round easy right now. The question just is how much higher higher is he gonna get drafted? And I think that will come if he's able to defend the run a little bit better,

if he can once again prove that he could be a sack master and that he could be a finisher despite maybe not having as good of opportunities this year as he had last year. And so I think that the lot is there for him. I think he's a solid football player, but I don't think he's this like guaranteed first rounder that I think some people are talking about him to be. It's a little bit of a combination of like some big end high end flashes, the last name, the size, the look program. He can get there, but it's yeah, he's just got a little ways to go. So I'll touch on Jackus really quick. I'm gonna call it is it's a kiss. I checked it while you were talking. All right a kiss I'm not gonna call him Jackus

so Illinois senior massive human being six six foot three 275 pounds, but he looks like he's 295 I mean like this dude looks like he sucks to go up against true It looks like you are hitting a brick wall when you go up against him. So he's a three star edge rusher in the 2022 class. Won two state titles in wrestling, which we love in high school. Committed to Tulane before he flipped over to Illinois.

Started eight games as a freshman. You mentioned he was a freshman All-American in 2022. Started 10 games the following season, but was was not the same type of impact player and then he played in and started all 13 games in 2024 his brother plays football at fi you he was number 69 nice on bruce fellman's freak list in 2023 uh bruce fellman said he has ridiculous strength and power, especially for a guy so young, six foot three, 267 pounds at the time bench presses, two 85 for 22 reps. Oh my God, that's just insane. And that was two years ago. That was two years.

The human body is not supposed to rep out 300 pounds. No, it's not. And he's out here absolutely doing it. So he, I can understand people being all over the place on him. And the reason why, Connor, is because Illinois lines him up as a two-point stance outside linebacker. Why? I don't really know. No, because he is a much better all around athlete than you would expect for somebody who's 275, 280 trying to play up, he'll play as a stand up outside lineback. Like this dude's got decent lateral agility to him. He can retreat a little bit in coverage, obviously you won't want him to do that.

So he's not the worst. And I think that honestly the floor of that type of movement being higher just showcases what a great all-around athlete this guy is, how much body control he has, obviously the wrestling background, we know that that goes into it a lot, but I don't know why he's a two-point stand-up outside linebacker. I have him listed as a 4-3 defensive end because that's what I wanted to be. In fact, I would tell you that he is closer to being a 3-4 defensive end than he is a 3-4 outside linebacker at the NFL level. College football is out of control. Go watch the goal line Stan plays against Michigan that he has. it's third and one and it's fourth and one and on those plays

They reduce him inside and they tell him to play in a three-point stance, and you know what he does He absolutely blows the play up and gets the tackle for loss in the backfield on Third and one to hold them to fourth and one Michigan goes for it again and for the second play in a row he blows up the guy he's going up against and he gets into the backfield but it just wasn't quite enough and the running back was able to jump over the line of the line scrimmage one yard and get into the end zone but I'm like why don't you want more of that I don't understand. That's where he wins. Devastating, devastating power. When this guy has leverage, why would you not want his pad

level to start lower? I don't understand. This guy is, he was one of my favorite watches just because he has a straight, this is very translatable to the NFL level. I don't worry about what caliber of an NFL player this guy is from a size and a strength perspective, and that is always, in my opinion, going to play. Now, how high you draft that, I'm not sure. I would love to see what he is like as a true defensive end. I don't know if we get it this year, but he's got that good all-around athleticism. He has that dense frame to him. He had three force fumbles last year to showcase how much power he has. And just overall, man, he's just got so much power in his frame.

I wonder if he's like that Darius Robinson type of a player. Now, I don't know if that's gonna be like my official comp form or anything because Darius Robinson was a defensive tackle who ended up moving out the defensive end. But obviously he ended up becoming a first round pick. This would be a little bit of a different story,

but I sort of feel like he's that same caliber of a player. And I wonder if he ends up getting to that point so I'm excited to watch him this season but this is a guy who I'm projecting to play a different type of position on the edge than he plays right now for Illinois because I think that he wins with power and I would like to see him be in situations where he gets to win with power and leverage more often and when you have him as a two-point stand-up edge rusher, it's just not going to happen as often. So if you flip him inside, the wrestling background, the body control, the good all-around athleticism and that power ability is something that I absolutely love. So I think that that's worthy of a

top 75 selection. It's always been there for him. I thought he looked different for as a freshman right away when watching that team where I was like, God, this dude is gonna be something when he's eligible. And he kind of had to rebuild his stock. He had a great 2024 and decided to go back to school. And this is somebody that theoretically it all can come full circle for him and he could find himself at the end of the first round.

Okay, so now we're getting into our top fives, top sixes really. Did you want to hear about Llewellyn quick from Iowa? I'll be quick on it. Yeah, let me go quick on Llewellyn. Let's hear him. So Max Llewellyn was a designated pass rusher for Iowa last year that'll take on a bigger role this season. And I think he's really built for it.

Six five, 258 pounds senior. Last year he had five and a half sacks, six quarterback hits, 23 hurries, 21% pass rush win rate. That was 95th percentile in the country. So they were asking him really to do one thing and do it well and that's exactly what he did. He only played 79 snaps against the run in 2024. Very Omar Norman lot type usage.

Wait in terms of not alignment but actually just playing against the runner, 2024, very Omar Norman lot type usage. Way in terms of not alignment, but actually just playing against the runner, the lack thereof. So you can have to prove he can handle that expanded role. But as a pass rusher, Trevor, this guy, fast, furious, active hands, nasty spin move. He had a sack, he had multiple sacks off the spin move in 2024, stutter steps, loves to use the stutter steps

before throwing two-handed swipe to kind of keep the tackles off balance and then kind of attack their upper body where their lower half is off balance. So Max Llewellyn from Iowa, I think is poised to have a double digit sack season. We'll see how he handles the bigger role, but I think he's so gifted as a rusher,

that's why I had him seventh, that I think he could play his way into the top 50. Somebody that I have to watch after this show to get some more guys in the mock draft simulator. I'll stay with you. Let's talk about David Bailey here from Stanford. I have him at number 10. You have him at number five, you said. Three.

Okay, he's all the way up at number three for you. And to be honest with you, I get it just because I wanna hear what you have to say about it. But Bailey is interesting. I think he's polarizing for me, which is why I ended up with him at number 10. But when I watched him, Connor,

I thought about Yanni Gingakwe and how Yanni Gingakwe, there was like a two year period where he couldn't be blocked like he was just an unbelievable pass rusher but then most of his career in the NFL I don't think that he has been that but there were those two years where it's like nobody could block him and I felt like I feel as though Bailey could have that type of a career where he might have games or even like a couple of years where he just looks unbelievable when we talk about him as one of the best pass rushers in the NFL. But maybe the majority of career he is not that. But I'm curious, you got him at number three. I'm assuming that you obviously saw those similar strengths.

And Gokwe, by the way, 70 and a half sacks across nine seasons. He does have that many? Yeah, he just is the guy that shows up and gives eight sacks, feels like every year. So there's always a place for guys that can simply get you off the field on third downs. David Bailey, transfer from Stanford, now at Texas Tech, 6'3", 250.

He has the Chop Robinson aesthetic that I adore. David Bailey shows up to the field, no gloves, no tape, no smallest pads, cut off pants that are practically shorts. Like this guy just wants to play in compression shorts and kill you. And I can't explain how much I adore that. The fact that you could wake David Bailey up from a nap and he'll walk out on the field and sack the quarterback.

He just doesn't, he's just not here for any of the extra stuff. He's not. As a player last year, seven sacks, five forced fumbles. I mean, my goodness, five forced fumbles, five quarterback hits, 25 hurries. He had a 27.5% pass rush win rate. Yes, folks, that was the 100th percentile in the country. That's pretty good. That means you're the best or amongst the best.

He's played a lot of football, Trevor. He's played 30 games for Stanford across three seasons before transferring to Texas Tech. So this guy has a lot of experience and it's really worked out for his development because the pass rush bag is a Santa Claus level depth of heaviness of this bag. I mean, the speed moves in this bag,

the shoulder dip, kind of a ghost move. He's not just trying to dip the shoulder. He really wants to do it all in one motion and be untouched right around the corner. The spin move, he has this rocker step that he uses, this euro step where he tries to make you over set wide with it and then he's so quick and savvy he can cross your face back into the inside

when you open up that door in the gap. And why those three speed moves work so well for him in terms of production is that he has A plus burst the quarterback once. Yeah, he's twitchy. When he beats the blocker, the quarterbacks can't really react to evade him. And that's why he had seven sacks

and five force fumbles last year. I guess just he's a play finisher. He is a game changer in terms of his ability to force turnovers. Where I have my concerns is both with power. One, the speed to power I thought got stalled out by the stronger tackles he faced, where it was like, yeah, this is close to what an NFL tackle looks like.

You're not converting speed to power anymore. The second thing, I thought he lacked power and decisiveness when teams ran right at him. Rather than trying to make him use his athleticism against the run, they're like, let's go downhill towards David Bailey. And I thought he didn't look as decisive. I thought he didn't have the strength,

which probably goes back to the weight. He's lighter than some of these guys on our list today. My synopsis on him was Bailey is a blend of a pass rush artist and demon showing up to the field with no gloves, no tape, very little pads ready to wreak havoc. He can look overmatched when teams run the ball right at him, but his ability to get after the quarterback gives him an NFL calling card.

Yeah, it's funny that the guy that I also have in my top three is a little bit of that designated pass rusher type of a player. So we'll have a little bit of that same conversation. I just felt as though Bailey was very like up and down, like the good plays were phenomenal. And the bad plays are like, all right, you're getting targeted in the run game here. Or if guys are trying to, if you're trying to win with power, it's just not going to happen. So I could see it from and again, like, maybe I'm not giving Yankee Gengakwe enough credit with how successful he has been. But like, that's, that's sort of what I and again like maybe I'm not giving Yankee Gakway enough credit with how successful he has been.

But like that's sort of what I saw is like I again I remembered in Gakway with the Jags and I was like this dude couldn't be blocked for a little bit. And that's how I feel like maybe Bailey gets in a defense that allows him just to pin his ears back and be that speed demon type of a player. We see that production from him. So you've got him at five there. Three. Three, sorry. I have Joshua Josephs at five. Okay. So I have him all the way at number five.

Big projection, where did you have him? 11. So you have him at 11, I've got him at five. He's a senior this year for Tennessee. Listed at six foot two and a half, 238 pounds. So he is a lighter, a little bit smaller edge rusher, but man, he's got vines for hands, like you,

for arms. I mean, you watch him on the field. Vines for hands. Yeah, he's got vines for hands. That makes sense. They're just everywhere. I mean, they kind of are. That's actually a con that I have of him, like as a weakness is it looks like

he's just flailing his arms around sometimes. And I go, all right, well, a part of me wants to give you a little bit of grace here because your arms are so long. It's tough to control those bad boys. But that is something that he has to get better at. But somebody who played opposite James Pierce Jr. last year, he was a four star edge rusher in the 2022 class.

Played as a true freshman and played as a sophomore and junior as well, but he wasn't like that full-time starter for them. The arm length is a massive plus. Like I think his arm length is gonna be like, even with him measuring it at six foot two and a half, which is 16th percentile, I bet his arm length is like 80th percentile.

Like that's the way that it looks on him. You see it when he swats at the ball. You notice that? He knows like, oh, he had three fours fumbles. He knows how to swat at the ball with his long arms. Yeah, and ball carries don't expect it. Neither do quarterbacks. He is, I think a very nice athlete for his size.

He's got a really good first step explosiveness, good effort in both the run and the pass game. Like I think he's a high effort type of a player. Does that mean it's always gonna get the desired result? No, but I think we're getting there with him and I like the effort that we have in that regard. I mentioned, I think that the arm length can kind of be like it's flailing around all the time, like off the snap.

It's not like it's in control and close to the body and precise, like even the snap. It's not like it's in controlled and close to the body and precise. Like even with like club arm over, like club swim moves, like it's just look, it looks too out of control sometimes for him. And it just needs to be, he's gotta have more body control with those long arms. I think he's gotta utilize the long arm technique more. I don't think he does that nearly enough. Like in the run or the paddling, I want him to get his arms in his hands

Inside and just like stack and shed these dudes I mean They're not gonna be able to reach or match what your arm length is especially if he can get low and like you were talking about earlier on the show if you get low if you get that arm inside and up into the Offensive lineman's chest you're low to the ground. You're anchoring with that back foot, and you've got your arm fully extended, you're defending the run like that, and then your other arm, especially for how long his arm is, you can use to be a weapon to either grab the ball carrier as he's coming in or help you disengage.

I think that is absolutely in the cards for him to be fantastic in that way. His eyes get a little bit reckless with where he's looking for the ball Sometimes he'll dip his head and show the crown of his helmet when he's bull rushing So to me, it's just a lot of refinement with him. He's got a great first step I think he's got good effort and he's got I think rare length for his size is a three four outside linebacker edge rusher the ability that he has and the potential that he has is why I have him as high as I do.

It's not there yet, we haven't quite seen it. It's not consistent. But man, when we have, when the flashes have been there, I think that he could be a really, really nice NFL edge rusher. You loved him, I liked him. I thought when I had him at 11, I was like, oh, for a guy that had one and a half sacks last year.

Yeah, but it's so easy to see what you're saying because the ability is all there for him. He's talked about the explosive first step. I love the way he could flip his hips naturally. It doesn't look uncomfortable for him. I thought he made that significant effort to punch the ball out. And his athleticism really shined when they used him on stunts. It was like, oh that looks a little different than a lot of the other guys I've watched. So Joseph's could be in for a massive year unless Tennessee does what Tennessee does and they play their best players like 40% of the snaps. So that'll be fun. Alright we got about five players to go here on this podcast. These are some of

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I have him at six. So I think that that's exactly where we want to serve. You had Joseph at five? I had Joseph at five. Okay, cool. That's easy. LT Overton, man. So I watched him a little last year because I was, I say nervous.

You get like nervous about guys declaring that you're like, oh man, it's a little early, but you might do it. No, no, no, no, no, no. It's too early for that. Like I've already too many players to watch, please don't declare. And then he went back to school and I'm glad he did but when I really did the heavy watch this summer, I love this dude, Trevor.

I really, really do. There's so much to like about it. I think he's a little position dependent on where you're aligning him. I agree. I don't think he, he's probably not a star, but he transferred from Texas A&M to Alabama. He was a five-star recruit. He's now a junior, 6'5", 283.

That's why he's the meat fabric player of the show. This is a, we just call him BLT, Overton. You gotta have the bacon. You can't just have the lettuce and tomato. I mean, this dude, he is big, heavy-handed. He could play in college, at least, up and down the line of scrimmage. The production last year, he only had two sacks,

one four-sumble, four quarterback hits. He did have 32 hurries. So he just didn't convert a lot of that, that 18% pass or rush win rate. He just didn't convert a lot of that 18% pass rush win rate He just didn't convert a lot of the pressures into sacks He The thing I love the most about him I've never seen somebody so insulted when they try to send pullers at him. He crashes into pullers

Like it was a personal insult. He's trying to knock it looks like Like, it was a personal insult. He's trying to knock, it looks like 1995 football when people pull at him. So I love that attitude from him. He has so much lower body mass and strength that I just didn't see him moved in the run game. It was like, dig my foot into the ground, good luck, you are not running here, I'm at least pushing you wide or redirecting you at a minimum. I'll say this, as an interior rusher, I saw some twitch for the big fella.

Like, there's a couple times where it's not, he's not a twitchy edge rusher. But if you have him go up against a guard or a center, he's not afraid to throw a couple stutters and throw his hands in a couple different directions and try different moves to win inside and outside. I thought he is currently more of a powerful disruptor than a play finisher. I don't think the pass rush plan is very rounded and creative right now. Watching him though, I was like, is this year's Shamar Stewart kind of player? Where I'm like, there's a lot of disruption. There's not a lot of box score production But I have a place for him on my defensive line to disrupt the run and can I teach him one? Countermove as a pass rusher and just get a little bit more out of him there. I have him listed as a

3-4 defense event and it's what he looks like he's not like he doesn't have the length of typical 3-4 defense events But I wanted to categorize him there because all the strengths of what he does well, I think shine when you kick him inside the tackles, right? I think that you could play him head up against an offensive tackle and he could try to win with power. But like you said, if, if you, I think he's got Twitch, but not necessarily Twitch for like a full-time edge rusher, like a four, three defensive end or a three, four outside linebacker.

Kind of wasting him. Right, exactly. Like don't put him in those positions where you know he's not going to shine as bright. Whereas if you put him either head up against the offensive tackle, head up against the guard or anywhere in between, he can get across the face. Like he's got a nice lateral first step. He's got that twitch to him. He's got that power.

He could take on those pullers, like you mentioned. He maintains pad level when he's holding the line of scrimmage. I mean, he's super strong. He can stack and shed. Like all of that stuff is fantastic for him. I just think that he's a better run defender than a pass rusher.

Oh, it's not even close. I think he's a borderline elite college run defender. Right, right, right. And I just, I don't know what kind of pass rusher he's going to be. So I think he's a three, four defensive end or four, three defensive end, but you really, you want him matched up against the inside shoulder of tackles or anything against a guard. Because I think strength for strength, pound for pound,

he's going to be able to handle himself against guards, which is important. of tackles or anything against a guard. Cause I think strength for strength, pound for pound, he's gonna be able to handle himself against guards, which is important. And then when it comes to shooting gaps, if you were in a more aggressive style of defensive front, I think he can do that for you as well. Slants, stunts, like things like that. And he could be advantageous for you

if you put him in between where the tackles are. So that's how I viewed him. I think he's a three, four defensive lineman, but I think he's a damn good one, man. I think this guy's a future pro. Without a doubt. So that was five for me. He was six for you. Yes. A reminder five for you was Joshua Joseph's Joseph. Four for me was Keldrick Falk of Auburn. I also have Keldrick Falk. I now believe that there is a player who is in my top three who either you didn't watch or you did not have in your top 15.

Very interesting. Yeah. I am hoping that is that you know what? No, I'm hoping that you watched him and you think he's cheeks and I've got him in my top three because that'll make for a much better podcast. Diabolical. OK, Keldrick Falk, we're getting into like the pure units section of the show. These guys are just massive human beings.

Keldrick Falk is 6'6 270. I mean, he's a big boy. He's 20. Right. I have him for he's going to turn. He's 20 years old on draft night this year. Can't even drink. I have him four. He's 20 years old on Giraffe Night this year. Can't even drink? Can't even have a drink. What's he gonna celebrate with?

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Man, Keldrick Falk his true sophomore season was last year from Auburn seven sacks Five quarterback hits 31 hurries this dude is big. He's got length. He is strong and powerful I love watching him set the edge. It is just somebody kind of like L.T. Overton. It's, you're not moving me from here. You're not moving me off the line of scrimmage. He knows how to gain leverage. And with his, he's got to have big hands.

He plays like a guy with massive, massive hands. He's a huge dude. Huge human being. He's tough as hell. He knows how to get, for a tall guy, I was impressed with the leverage. There was plenty of times where I saw him get off the bulb, stay low for six foot, six inches tall,

use his hands to stack and shed, or just get under the pads and hold and dig in at the point of attack. But man, when he wants to actually throw the hands as attack mode rather than stalemate mode, blockers, they jolt. They shake, they're off balance, they're uncomfortable. His body and strength just allows him to truly be a threat from multiple alignments. Like I think he can play inside outside all day and just have no problem with it because he's so strong. He's got great length and

He uses that length as a tackler. He's an impressive tackler. He finishes plays this guy a lot of these guys That's their problem is they can't their conversion of pressures the sacks or stopping the run or redirecting the run all that's great But this is a guy that finishes plays with his length He would not turn 21 years old until September of his NFL rookie season. So he was a very, very young player. I do think the pass rush Trevor is mostly effort and power.

He's just so powerful that it works enough right now. But if I get more and a little bit more technique and coaching, cause he's so young. This is someone with star potential. Yeah, so he's a true junior. Like you say, you mentioned the age of how young he is. And that's why I still have him as a 4-3 defensive end. If he has another season where he's a single digit pass rush win percentage type of a player, just it does not really show a lot as a pass rusher, especially with speed elements to the outside.

I'll probably move him to a 3-4 defensive end spot because right now I already know I have a future pro in an odd front defense as a defensive end. Like I already know that I have that. It's just a matter of can you show me something else as a pass rusher? Long, strong build for the NFL, lateral and linear explosiveness are good for his size. There are times when he's a little bit more hesitant, but like when he's doing things, you got to remember, he's just an underclassman. Like last year's film, he's a sophomore. So the moment, so the moments, yeah, what's the Ryan Williams thing with every Ryan Williams touchdown his age actually decreases. Ryan Williams is eight years old. Can't believe he's catching touchdowns for Alabama and he's 12. It's amazing. When you watch him play confidently, he has the athleticism that you want like he's got that agility. He's got that explosiveness all of that stuff is there for him

He plays a little high especially when he's asked to play from a two-point stance I want him as more of that hand of the dirt guy But when he is I think he's leverages fine and like you mentioned that jolt at contact that power of contact how he's able to defend The run the solo run stop, 90th percentile stuff here. Over the last two years, 90th percentile. So I think he is, if he could show a little bit more pass or chops, I think that we're talking about somebody who can be probably a top 15 pick and probably stick as a 4-3 defensive end. I think at worst, he's like a back end of the first round, early part of the second round type of a 3- four defensive end that you know you've got as a run defender here. I saw somebody in the comments of last week's show saying, Hey, when Trevor sees a multi sport background guy, he's going to let you know about it. And I'm going to let you know about it. Once again, right here. He played basketball all throughout high school as a power forward in center. So no shock there. He also played wide receiver as well as defensive end

when he was playing high school football in Alabama. So yeah, there we go. Keldrick Falk, I like him a lot. I see him very similarly to the way that you do. I'm guessing that Ruben Bane Jr. is two for you? He is. Okay, all right, all right. Ruben Bane Jr. is three for me.

Okay. So now it's gonna be in your top two, this mystery player. The mystery player is number two for me, yes. So I have David Bailey at three, you have Ruben Bane Jr. at three, I have Ruben Bane Jr. at two. The suspense is killing me. Well, we gotta talk about Ruben Bane Jr. first, and then we'll get to it. Ruben Bane Jr. Miami, and then we'll get to it. Ruben Bain Jr.

Miami, from my junior from Miami. 63275. My goodness. I almost want to call him 1B. Really. He's so different from the guy that is one,, I see what you're trying to say. Yes. Yeah, that's the right way to frame it. The word I associate with Bane is destruction.

Like this man, I haven't seen somebody have this kind of hand usage since Jared verse. Like when Jared verse connected, it looked like it hurt my last line I wrote for Ruben Bain jr. Was he's the type of player that an offensive lineman should absolutely despise dealing with for four quarters he last year only had three and a half sacks four quarterback hits 20 hurries he missed so he basically leaves week one very early in the game with a soft tissue injury and then he missed the four games after that.

Yeah, his calf injury. It was a calf, right? So you could, I mean, think of a calf for a pass rusher. That's a nightmare. 2023 is a true freshman. He had seven and a half sacks, three fourths fumbles, a 17.7% pass rush win rate. He dominated as a true freshman.

And last year, when he looked healthy, he was the same guy. He just needed to get healthy. He's got a thick build. The freshman season of tape is nuts. I thought it was nuts watching it. Leverage monster. Significant explosive power generated from the leverage he gets.

I think for 275 pounds, his closing speed, pound for pound is as good as anybody's in this group. It's insane There's really no escaping him Against the run. I love his vision. I love his awareness and I love his ability to stay off of blocks He's a smart run defender. He's a powerful run defender. He plays with his head up. I Think he's an absolute menace dude. I I He plays with his head up. I think he's an absolute menace, dude. I just cannot get enough of watching this player

when he's healthy and give me a full healthy season of Ruben Jemaine Jr. and stamp his name into the first round. I think the question really is like how close to Kalei Jekansi is he? Because I wonder if he's gonna be a little bit smaller in height than the, than what Miami lists him at. And as I'm watching him, I'm like, dude, the hand speed, like you mentioned,

like how quickly he gets off the ball. There are plays where he's, he's got total scheme versatility first and foremost. He can line up anywhere from a three technique defensive tackle to a seven technique outside linebacker type of edge rusher. Miami will put him basically everywhere because he's got the ability to do it. There are a couple of plays where either he was going up

against, you know, like a basic, I actually, I saw this a handful of times, guard tackle or tight end where he's down a three point stance. The ball was snapped and he goes hands up hands to the side so quickly the offensive lineman you could tell they're like what just happened like yeah like like like what how did i get here and how is ruben bay jr now behind me like i didn't tell you here has my quarterback in the walls of Jericho.

Yeah, I don't, yeah, yeah, he's tapping right now. He's got him in the, he's got him in the angle lock. There's no rope break. The Kurt angle lock. Yeah. No rope break in sight. So the question to me is just, as I watched him, they're asking him to do a lot of different things and play in a lot of different positions. So that goes into this.

But I really do wonder, is his best role at the NFL level? Cause he's got a stocky build to him. You know, the arm length is much shorter. He's sort of got that fire hydrant thick, dense build to him. The lack of arm length, you can see that it shows up when he is, you know, like trying to do more traditional true edge rush moves, like a long arm or something like that. And you also see it in the low or the high missed tackle percentage that he has had over the last couple of years. So I wonder like, man, if he's not the longest edge rusher, like is he just collide you can't see, like, do I just want to like throw 10 more pounds on him

and let it be a three technique defensive tackle. And I didn't see, I didn't see quite the level of explosiveness that Kancy had in his last year when he was at Pitt, but there's still a full season for Bain Jr. Especially if he's fully healthy to show us that now is a draft eligible Jr. So this is, I, I, I have a hard time believing that you're gonna get 32 players in this class that the NFL is gonna draft over Ruben Bain Jr. So I think he's a first-rounder. It's just a matter of how high do I think the league is going to draft the

player like this. Yeah, if you haven't watched the tape, everybody like this, you'll enjoy watching him a lot. Yep. Alright, drum roll! Number two for me... is R. Mason Thomas from Oklahoma. I did watch him. So he's 16 for you. He was 16!

That's insane that I am a 2 and that you have him at 16! He was the last player I watched him. It's funny to pull back the curtain here. Trevor and I trying to figure out summer schedule. It's crazy. You know, we're gonna be back working every hour of every week pretty soon. So we're trying to sneak in some trips

while also not shorting summer scouting. So we were watching tight ends and then we pivoted to edge because this is, we're gonna make sure we play all the hits for you guys. We're gonna have every group done for a big board and everything, but we wanna play the hits and edge pass rushes. Not only one of our favorites,

but how much you guys love it. So with about three days to go, we pivoted to edge and I was like, I'll probably watch 12 because like 12 edge rushers in three days. Like I think I could do that. I loved this class so much compared to quarterback, running back wide receiver and tight end that we've watched. I couldn't stop.

And it was, so the morning we were planning on recording the show, I got in one more player before, and it was our Mason Thomas. Damn. Yep. Damn. And so you had him 16th. I have him 16th. Yep. I had no so you had him 16th. I have him 16th. Yep. I had no idea that you didn't know ball.

I can't believe I've just discovered this, that I am not a ball knower. I was truly terrified and wrapping my head around like who did I miss that he has it to? No, this is even better. This is even better that there's a massive gap and I am at edge two and you didn't have them in your top 15. Okay, all right, let's talk about them. Gotta talk about them. R. Mason Thomas from Oklahoma.

He's a senior this season. We'll start with the not great measurable. Six foot one and a half, fourth percentile, 250 pounds. Well, 250 pounds, I mean like, 250 pounds is pretty stacked for six foot one and a half, but we'll get to that. We'll get to that in a second. So he's a four star out of Fort Lauderdale, Florida in the 2022 recruiting

class, team one state titles in 2020 and 2021. He also, multi sport background, he ran track in high school. He was a sprinter. He ran the 100 meter, the 200 meter and the 400 meter in high school, he was a sprinter. He ran the 100 meter, the 200 meter, and the 400 meter in high school, while also being a defensive end on the football team, where he is at Oklahoma. I think when he got to the team,

or when Brent Venables got to the team, they asked him about R. Mason Thomas, and his words were, he's gonna be hell on wheels, I could tell you that. And that is exactly what I think of him as a football player. When we talk about track backgrounds, we're often talking about wide receivers, running him as a football player. When we talk about track backgrounds, we're often talking about wide receivers, running backs or cornerbacks.

And we talk about whether or not they can bring that track speed to the NFL or if they're just track athletes trying to put on a football helmet. Our Mason Thomas is a pass rusher that has a track background. Like he brings track explosiveness and sprinter explosiveness in my opinion to how he plays a defensive ed. So he played in 10 games with true freshmen, played in nine games, the rotational pass pressure, but also missed four due to injury in 2023. And then he started in 11 games last season. He's got a smaller frame,

obviously, but to me that comes with his pros and cons. Now, are you going to, are you going to look for him to win with a long arm move? Like, no, like that stuff is not gonna happen. I think he's maxed out at 250 pounds, so if you want to put on more weight, I don't think that's gonna happen for him. He can get handled at times in a run game. There's no doubt about it. Like, if you're looking for him to be a three-down defensive lineman, I don't think that's gonna happen. Although, I will say pound for pound, I think he's pretty strong. At least he gives you some pop at contact and he can survive against some blockers, but he's not to be somebody who you know is going to be a stout run defender at all times. Lower coverage scores for outside linebacker work so

he's not like that hybrid type of off-ball on-ball linebacker that you're going to want dropping into coverage and then I do think that the shorter arms impact how well he can wrap up. Those are the negative things that I'm sure that you would focus on that you would bring up as to exactly why. I am seeing this guy through a different lens. I don't care about the run defense downs, and I don't care about the coverage downs. I think he is a designated pass rusher in the NFL,

but I think that he can be an absolutely devastating one. I think that his pre-snap technique and his stance is picture perfect. He is low and he is loaded to the ground. Zero false steps out of his game and he explodes out of his stance off of that front foot. There is a rep that he has against Will Campbell, again, LSU, where he absolutely murders him off the edge. Will Campbell had no shot. He saw it clear as day.

Saw exactly what he was going to do. He's going to the outside. I got to beat him to the spot. Zero chance. Three steps in. Our Mason Thomas is even with Will Campbell and in fact He is already dipping and under that outside shoulder So where the lack of height and the lack of length obviously it comes with his drawbacks it he uses it to his advantage because he constantly hits with leverage for speed to power if he's ever bull rushing you and the way that he can dip and rip or or Club and dip around like whatever it is,

he can get underneath the offensive tackle and blocker shoulders so easily. He can also, he has the best ability to corner in this class. No question about it. So when you combine the fact that he has the best first step explosive in this as a former track sprinter, and he has the best flexibility and corner ability to get around the outside shoulder of offensive tackles, give me this dude as a designated pass rusher.

Let him be a, and I hate comparing guys who went to the same school, because people just think that he's a little hanging fruit, but let him be Nick Bonito. That's what he has to be. That's exactly what he has to be. Let him be Nick Bonito, and if he's Nick Bonito, that's incredibly valuable. Yes. Incredibly valuable. You are a major stressor on a defense if you are that kind of

designated passer. So I've got him in number two just because I was so impressed with the athlete that he is for the position. So as a one dimensional designated guy, is he going to remain number two in my rankings? I don't know. Maybe I'll have them a little bit lower, but I could not love the speed elements of his game. And so I just, I am so all in on it. Yes. Is it one dimensional? A hundred percent. If you were looking at him through a three down lens, you are not going to love what you see. But if you are looking at him as a designated speed demon pass rusher,

this guy gives you absolutely everything that you would want from a physical perspective and from how he approaches how to get after the quarterback. I love them. Yeah, his ability to keep his momentum while dipping that shoulder and going around the corner is A plus. I mean, that was my top strength I wrote down for him was

there's just no loss of speed. And you can either keep up with them or you can't. And that's how he ends up with nine sacks last year in the two forest fumbles and nine quarterback hits. So he was getting home a lot. Now, where he gets neutralized is he is just small for this position. Like there's just no denying it.

I totally, it sounds like he's kind of your David Bailey. Like I look at David Bailey and I'm like, David Bailey is gonna get after the quarterback. I don't really care about the rest right now. I put him at three. You saying that for our Mason Thomas, you put him at two. So I have like, once you understand those potential limitations,

if you believe the guy has the calling card of simply getting out to the quarterback, that's too important of a skill for the NFL level. Yep. That's where I'm at with him. So number one's uneventful then. Yeah. Number one's pretty uneventful.

Um, but I'm going to be honest. Was not a debate for me. I mean, he, he's the first player in this class outside of potentially Arch, but I think the first player in this class that, because we've watched quarterbacks, running backs, wide receivers, we haven't done the tight end episode, we've watched some,

and this is my first defensive group I've watched where I thought this guy is probably special. Yeah, I think he's- Like first player in the class. I watched it. I was like, Oh, this is, this is somebody that totally alters the game. I think that he is an NFL player through and through it's TJ Parker from Clemson, um, true junior this season. So we've only seen underclassmen tape. He's listed at six foot three, 265 pounds. It's 32nd percentile and 53rd percentile. So the height and weight thing is fine.

Four star defensive end from Alabama, who's actually committed to Penn State before he flipped over to Clemson. Started three games as a true freshman and then started all 14 games last season. I can't say enough good things about this guy. I'll just list the strength and weaknesses here. Strength, adequate size for the pro level.

First step, explosiveness is well above average, consistently launches off of that front foot. He is an ascending pass rusher with an ascending pass rush win percentage in both of his underclassmen seasons. Strong player who can consistently set the edge versus the run, versatile in his ability and experience from a four eye to a standup six or seven technique.

They will move him all around with that. Fluid enough of an athlete to threaten inside moves versatile in his ability and experience from a 4i to a stand up 6 or 7 technique. They will move him all around with that. Fluid enough of an athlete to threaten inside moves at all times. Love the hand usage, it's fast, he knows it's important. He'll try a variety of different moves. I don't think that he has rare twitch or rare strength to his game, but the floor of this player is a easy top 20 pick in my opinion in this class and somebody who

I can absolutely see us consistently talking about as a top 10 pick because in my opinion, he's gonna be the top edge rusher in this group. Right, that's the key is that there's just, there's so much good right now. I mean, the fact he forced six fumbles last year, he's just destroying plays. My synopsis on him was,

Parker is an athletic, well-built edge defender that has already shown the ability to completely wreck the run and the pass game. He plays with a lot of power, but has enough finesse in his game to keep blockers guessing. I thought his variety, whether it's that Euro step to work outside,

inside the cross chop, and then take the outside shoulder. I have not seen somebody hit like this on a football field in a long time. I mean, you think guys are injured every time he hits someone, their legs go straight up in the air, straight up in the air.

It's absolutely terrifying if that's your quarterback when the way this guy hits. And that's how he has six fumbles. And it's not, they're not illegal hits. He's just so damn strong and powerful and generates so much explosive momentum. And I think there is some hip flexibility when he gets into the pocket.

He can angle himself back in and turn and kind of do the hoop drill. I think this dude is really a serious, serious threat to be a top five pick and maybe even more. I was blown away. He played 640 snaps last year, earned an 88.1 overall defensive grade, 80.8 run defense grade, 86.2 pass rush grade, and even a 74.0 coverage grade when he was asked to drop. I mean, this is an underclassman. This is a sophomore. I think he's the total package. I really do. He reminds me,

he reminds me a lot of Ryan Kerigan and how productive Ryan Carrigan was just consistently. And Ryan Carrigan, he's not the fastest. He's not the strongest, but he was always one of the most productive players because he just, he had such a high level of all around ability, great football IQ. And obviously he obviously played this game for a long, long time. And so again, I don't know if Parker is a

rare edge rest athlete. Like I wouldn't talk about Parker like we talked about Abdul Carter last year. Same, there's no Abdul Carter, yep. But it's everything that he does is at such an NFL level that I think he brings just the total packages in that dresser. Yeah, it's it's going to be fascinating to see what he can ultimately do this year because I mean my goodness man. It's the real deal. All right. Uh, one more time for the people can go 15 to 1 real quick

Let's rock out here with the 15 rankings. How about 16? R. Mason Thomas from Oklahoma. 15, Derek Moore from Michigan. 14, Zion Young from Missouri. 13 was Tyreek Sapp from Florida. 12 was Kenyetta Jackson from Ohio State. 11 was Joshua Josephs from Tennessee. Number 10, Mikhail Kamara from Indiana. Number nine, Mateo Ollonglele.

Oh, we'll get it right. We'll get it right. We'll nail it down. From Oregon. Number eight, Dennis Sutton. One more time his first name. Deny. Deny. Deny Dennis Sutton from Penn State.

Number seven, Max Llewellyn from Iowa. Number six, Cassius Howell from Texas A&M. Number five, LT Overton from Alabama, number four, Keldrick Falk from Auburn, three, David Bailey from Texas Tech, two, Ruben Bain Jr., the master of destruction from Miami, and number one, TJ Parker from Clemson. You know what, just for the people, I'll go 23 to one.

I'll give you the 23 guys that I- What a mad man, go off, young man. Will Helt from Clemson, he was at Purdue, now he's at Clemson, I got him at 23. Eric Gentry from USC, I have him at 22. Prince Will Ouman-Meelen from Nebraska. I was laughing when I put him in the doc. Now he's at Ole Miss, he's following his brother there.

So now he is at Ole Miss. Ben Bell, who was at Texas State, now he's at Virginia Tech, I have him at 20. Eric O'Neill who is now at Rutgers, I have him at 19. Patrick Payton who was at Florida State, now he's at LSU, I got him at 17. TJ Guy from Michigan at 16. Cassius Howell from Texas A&M, I got 15.

Deny Dennis Sutton at 14. Trey Moore from Texas at 13. Mikhail Kamara at 12. Tyreek Sapp at 11. David Bailey at 10, Mateo Uwe Unglele at number nine, Gabe Ackes at number eight, Derek Moore at seven, LT Overton at six, Joshua Joseph from Tennessee at five, Keldrick Falk at four, Ruben Bane Jr.

Three, R. Mason Thomas at number two, and then TJ Parker at number one. We would love to hear from you guys. We'd love to hear what you think about our rankings, and we would love to see your rankings as well. We know a lot of you guys out there are big time college football fans. Maybe it's just one of these guys that you know really well.

We'd love to hear some backstory on him. Be like, man, I've been watching this guy for years. I really think he's legit. Or it could be the opposite. You could say, hey, I've been watching this guy for years. I just don't think he's an NFL player. Any type of insight, analysis, rankings, anything that you guys got,

we would love to hear from you. Best way to do that's in the YouTube comments section, youtube.com backslash at NFL Stock Exchange. That's the best way to have conversations with us, to have conversations with each other. We're building an NFL draft community here. So we would love to hear you guys' thoughts and rankings on all that good stuff.

Like Connor said, we're gonna be bounced around a little bit because we wanna play love to hear you guys' thoughts and rankings on all that good stuff. Like Connor said, we're going to be bouncing around a little bit because we want to play the hits for you guys around some PTO and some trips that we're taking and all that kinds of stuff. So I think what do you want to do next? We know we want to hit offensive tackle and corner. Which one do you want to do next? Probably the big fellows at offensive tackle. All right. All right. We'll do offensive tackle. So we'll do offensive tackle Tackle. So we'll do Offensive Tackle next week. We'll stick with the size theme here and we'll go Offensive Tackle. Very curious. A lot of people talk about Kaden Proctor from Alabama as if he is a man.

Lock top 10, top 5 type of a player. I really have not watched him at all whatsoever. So I'm excited to dig into him and the rest of this Offensive Tackle class. Spencer Fano, right? I mean from Utah, like I see people talking about him as OT one. I can't wait to dig into it with you guys. So we actually planned the pot a little bit earlier. So if you guys wanna watch some of these offensive tackles and

get thoughts on them before, we give you our thoughts next week. You can do so there. For Connor Rogers, I'm Trevor Sigma saying thank you so much for watching the NFL Stock Exchange Podcast. We'll see you guys next week. Thanks for watching!