NFL Stock Exchange: An NFL Draft Podcast - Early Offensive Tackle Rankings For 2026 NFL Draft (Summer Scouting)

Episode Date: July 11, 2025

17:30 - Max Iheanachor, Arizona State 26:25 - Ethan Onianwa, Ohio State 30:30 - Blake Miller, Clemson 37:10 - Kage Casey, Boise State 42:55 - Jude Bowry, Boston College 47:30 - Caleb Tiernan, Northwestern 51:25 - Aamil Wagner, Notre Dame 56:05 - Austin Barber, Florida 1:06:10 - Francis Mauigoa, Miami 1:13:40 - Charles Jagusah, Notre Dame 1:20:20 - Xavier Chaplin, Auburn 1:24:00 - Caleb Lomu, Utah 1:28:35 - Kadyn Proctor, Alabama 1:34:55 - Isaiah World, Oregon 1:41:55 - Spencer Fano, Utah

Welcome to the opening bell of the NFL stock exchange podcast. Trevor sick and McConnell Rogers here with you guys for another summer scouting edition of the show. Today we're talking offensive tackle. So we did the big boys on the the edge rusher group last week We're sticking along the trenches. We're keeping the trench theme going and we're talking about the big boys on the offensive side of things So the guys are going to be going up against those edge rushers Hopefully in the nfl connor and I are going to give you our top tens But this episode it's always a lot of fun because just like we talked about some differences in positions with the edge rush group

It's the same thing for offensive line, you can talk about guys who are more downhill run blockers, guys who are better for zone blocking schemes. But even beyond that, there's some players in this class that we're going to talk about as actually think he's a little bit more of a guard. And we'll get into why as we get to have all these conversations. Connor, how you doing, my friend? I'm good, man. I'm really, you know, starting to get a groove

going here, and the position groups are getting better. Like, I just have to say that right out of the gate, it felt like watching edge rushers, a couple guys really popped off. Yeah. And then even when you're just kind of inputting data with the tackle group, you're like, oh, wow,

we have some physical freaks in this group, and you turn on the tape, and some of the actual measurements match up with the play. So this is there's definitely some projection here because of course it's a position that takes so much that requires so much development. But I think this tackle class has a chance to be maybe not special. Maybe that's too far, but really, really high end group, dude. And I agree with you. Like there's a couple of these guys who are either red shirts, sophomores and juniors, who you look at them right now and you go,

okay, you're not a finished product. But it's all there. You got the tools. And we'll obviously talk about exactly what those are, how we could take a leap. But before we dig into the offensive tackle group, it is an incredibly bittersweet episode of the podcast. I'm gonna, the man behind the digital glass

is Ryan Richen and he's been our producer for, oh my goodness, it's got it over two years now, absolutely. He wasn't for, he wasn't our day one producer, but man, it feels like it with how much we have worked with him over the last couple of years. He's been a major part of the growth of this channel in this community and everything. And this is Ryan's last podcast. So I'm going to bring Ryan in right now because I want him to sort of announce exactly where he's going, what he's doing

because I say it's bittersweet because we hate losing Ryan here as one of our producers here for NFLSE but we are so excited for what's going on and what he's doing. So Ryan, what's up brother? Now we got your face in. You're in, you're a part of every single NFL is the episode,

but now you're front face and now we got you here. Brother, please tell the good people where you're going, what you're doing, all that good stuff. Yeah. So I've accepted a role to go over to the 4Play Golf channel at Bar School. I'm going to be editing their podcast, but mostly the main attraction for it was I get to work on a lot of their long form stuff. I'm going to be traveling around with them, helping them film everything. It's going to be a really cool learning opportunity for me. I'm really sad to be leaving the show. I know Trevor and I had discussed in the past, me possibly sticking around if I ever did get another job, but I never expected to get a job of this magnitude. So I think it would

just be too much on my plate and contractually, I don't know if I'd be able to do it, but and getting the added community going. And when I started the show, you said like, what, two and a half years ago from Yeah. Thoan Rochelle, he was the original producer that got the ball rolling. So shout out to him. But really, I never expected to grow as much as it has and the community to be as strong as it is. So, like I said, it's bittersweet, but I'm really excited about the opportunity. And this was my favorite thing to do at work. And I'm really going to gonna miss it a ton and I have full confidence that whoever takes it Over next is gonna pick it up right where it leaves off. But yeah, I mean it's sad, but I'm also excited And I mean guys for everything. I mean we're excited for you man I mean like when you you call this to kind of talk about hey What was what was going on and the opportunity had we had in front of you like for everybody that doesn't know? Ryan's a huge golf guy.

Like Ryan scenario. Ryan, you know, this is funny. It was at the draft, the draft that we just had, you know, like Ryan's a PFF employee. So yeah, he does NFL, SE stuff, but he also does PFF stuff. So he was in Cincinnati for the draft show and everything. And every single time that our group was at the Airbnb, Ryan was like, yo, can we get the golf on the TV? And I want you guys to know, it was like the most no-name golf tournament

that like I could, he was like, oh yeah, can we get this one on TV? And he's talking about the dudes that are like on the leaderboard. And I'm, everybody knows that we've talked golf here on this podcast. Like I like golf and Ryan's love for the game. It was, is a different level.

And so he called me to to tell us that he was doing that. I mean, like, it's awesome. Obviously we we we hate losing as a producer. But like we talked about when you called us on the phone, you're still going to be watching and listening to the episodes. You're still going to be getting in in the comments section, making sure that you're still part of the attic community. So yeah, man, just, I can't thank you enough for all the work that you have done. Guys, like think about the things that we have done on this podcast that have been different

over the last couple of years, going live after round one, the last two years. Like Ryan's the one who's up editing that, making sure that it's getting up the way that it needs to, make sure that it's set up. The seven round mock draft that we did this year, the collab mocks with all the different pieces and everything that doesn't happen without Ryan's talent, his work ethic, his creativity, and just every idea we have thrown at Ryan his first, you know, his first inkling is always like, sure, like let's let's try it. Let's try to make it happen. And so Ryan, you are absolutely every part of the growth of this community as we are and as the addicts are. So man, just wanted to say thank you.

I really did. No, and I want to say thank you to you guys because I mean, producer is only, a producer can only do so much. Like it takes the on-camera people for me to like tie it all together. So like without you guys, like none of this would be possible. It all goes hand in hand.

And it was a great opportunity for me to work on something new. And it was the best 2 and 1 half years. And we crushed it, honestly. I mean, it's going to continue to crush. But the growth that we've had over the past 2 and 1 half years has been insane. Even starting a YouTube channel from scratch to see what it is

now, that was ridiculous. Because we were on what, the PFF channel with 200,000 subscribers and then starting completely from scratch. And to see how that grew just from nothing is honestly insane. And this was the reason I've been at this job for so long was this show.

And it was the best. Like even meeting up with you guys in the senior bowl or the Combine or whatever. Like it's, it was the most fun that I possibly could have had in a first job out of college. It was honestly, it was a dream job working in football. I'm excited for the new opportunity, but I'm very sad to be leaving you guys and this show will always hold a very special place in my heart. So everyone listening, if this show starts to stink, which is a possibility, you could tweet at the foreplay pod every day requesting that they send Ryan back.

It is a little peculiar, Ryan. We talked about golf more than ever on this podcast this summer and you get a high profile job in the golf industry, technically. I was just about to say, everybody who says that golf is ruining this podcast is now actually correct Shrink the game they lost many battles, but they won the war by far No, I mean it's like I said, it's it's sad, but I'm really excited. It's gonna be awesome for you

Work on something different because like I don't know like working on podcasts is great and you guys have made it awesome But really I mean why I got into this was to work on more different. Because I don't know, working on podcasts is great and you guys have made it awesome. But really, why I got into this was to work on more long form, not like documentary stuff, but more stuff like that. And with working with cameras with them, it's a really cool learning opportunity. And I'm going to grow a lot, see some cool places, meet some cool people. So I'm excited for it.

Very excited for you, man. Everybody, please, who listens and watches this show, go follow all the great work that Ryan's gonna be doing with the foreplay pod and also the long form stuff. Like the created, like the what if series that we've been doing over at PFF, like we're starting that from scratch. And Ryan has just been unbelievable

at how he has edited those and brought those to life. And I know he's gonna continue to do it at his next stop. Hopefully, you know, there's going to be episodes where you're still producing what they're doing wearing that NFL a seahat that you got right now. So you'll see me on the videos from filming wearing this. Let's go baby. I love that. Love that.

Ryan, we love you, dude. We appreciate you so much over the last couple of years. You're the absolute best man. Thank you so much for everything. Yeah, thank you. All right. The pod starts at nine ten. All right. Just make the time stamp. Does it really, though?

No, it starts to be hard to ever start this podcast. That's very that's right. Ryan is genuinely our secret weapon. He is. Yeah. I think I think a lot of people have caught on to that by now. But if you haven't um, I think he Understands you and I have a very unique sense of humor in this industry

I think that's why we at least I love working with you I hope you love working with me. You basically just have to have seen the movie wolf of wall street, you know and then If you're a diehard fan fan of Wolf of Wall Street, Step Brothers, Forgetting Sarah Marshall, then... You're gonna do all right. You'll get 50% of the inside jokes. You probably like the show. Yeah, right. That's generally how it goes.

And Ryan really tailored our humor perfectly on a podcast that, like it's just a great, he helped us get off the ground and more so much so. And we're really thankful for him. And dude, when he called me, it was one of those things where for the first like nine minutes, I was just so genuinely excited. I was like, dude, this is amazing.

This is everything you could've ever wanted. I'm so happy for you. So he's gonna do great over there. And like I say, and like we talked about, like he's just such a huge golf guy. And like, it's gonna be, it's gonna be big for him. I'm sure there are already crossover people who listen to this show who watch and listen to their show and everything and now Ryan's only gonna take their stuff up to the next level. With that

being said obviously like we don't know exactly what the schedule is gonna be like for us moving forward. We're hoping that we don't go dark for a consistently long time. Obviously, all of this is going to be figured out before the season, certainly, but we want to make sure that we're still getting in as many summer scouting episodes. I know the guys over at PFF, like Eli has said, that he'll jump in and he'll try to make sure that the episodes get up and everything. So if there's a little bit of a different schedule from us moving forward, you guys know why. I'm also taking my honeymoon just to be fully transparent.

And so we're kind of going to work around that a little bit. We promise we'll try to give you as many summer scouting episodes as we possibly can with all these positions. But at the very least, we will catch up on a lot of these positions and players when we do the big board episode and our way to kick off the college football and NFL season and draft season with our way too early mock draft that we'll do at the end of the summer. So all that will encapsulate that good stuff there. So yeah.

That's right. We appreciate everyone being patient with us. Obviously a well-deserved honeymoon for you. I will have one last mini vacation on the calendar because basically once we get to college football, I mean, we go back to twice a week this show we do. So and you and I have a ton going on at our everyday jobs. So we hate to miss a few weeks here and there with this podcast.

But between those those little those little time off sessions and obviously a big adjustment producer wise, we just we are just hopefully everybody is a little graceful and understanding that, you know, we, we'll have some speed bumps in the next couple of weeks, but we will continue to deliver as much as we can. We will try to give you guys as much content as we possibly can starting with today and the offensive tackle episode. So we're going to do our top tens.

And the reason why we wanted to do it in top 10 is because like Connor said, the conversation, I think he's going to naturally take us a little bit beyond 10 anyways. And we'll get to talk about sort of what these guys do well in certain schemes, whether we think they're inside guys or outside guys and exactly why. Cause just like the wide receiver and edge rusher episode, we always want to give you the why,

not just the here's how I see a player, but this is why I see a player in a certain spot. So Connor, let's start. Let's go 10 to six, and then we'll spend a little bit more time individually on the top fives as we normally do with these rankings. So give me your 10 to six list that you have for offensive tackles in the 2026 draft.

Number 10 for me is Max E-Haw Nutshawr. How is this possible? Number 10! I-I didn't watch him! Oh, you didn't watch him? No! Okay, this is going to happen. It's just naturally, it's summer scouting.

Things are so wide open. I mean, it's going to happen, but I watched 25 guys! And I watched- I watched 25 players! I watched 15, 15. I've seen, I think, 17, but I did 15 watches for this group. And we're doing top 10s today because you're gonna hear this combo a bit on the show.

And Trevor, you and I talked about this off the air. I ran into like, ah, this guy's a guard. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Even though he was on my tackle list, but he's a guard. So that's why it's easier to just do top 10 tackles. So Max Ijana-Chor, he is an Arizona State offensive tackle that transferred from East Los Angeles Juco level. Okay.

Yeah, so he started all of 2024 at right tackle for Arizona State. So a little combo about him. Number nine for me is another transfer. This is Ethan Oneyanwa at Ohio State. Did you watch Ethan Oneyanwa? We're 0 for 2. Oh man, I'm just like, I guess I just watch weird players.

Where do you get your list? I'm just all over the place. Now, like a black market list here. Hey kind of feels like it now List What are you getting this list like underneath an underpass or something? I'm in some weird trap chats Yeah, I am NFL SE underground that you're not invited to and like it's the real sicko addicts It's like the 3% of addicts

that are just throwing names out there. Oneonwa hasn't played for Ohio State yet. He transferred from Rice. So the footage we'll be talking about is from him being a three year starter for Rice. He started at left tackle last year and right tackled the previous two years. So Ohio State likes what they're getting in him

that they went out and were aggressive in the portal to get him. Number eight, I'm sure you watch because I know everybody's gonna be watching this group as a whole. Caleb Lomu from Utah. Yep, I watched him. Obviously that offensive line has a lot of eyeballs on it.

Seven, Emile Wagner, the right tackle for Notre Dame. Watched him, yep. Yeah, Notre Dame is kind of like Utah where there's a couple of names to keep an eye on it. Seven, Emil Wagner, the right tackle for Notre Dame. Watched him. Yeah. Yeah. Notre Dame is kind of like Utah where there's a couple of names to keep an eye on there. Not on the same level, I think, as Utah. But six, Caleb Tiernan from Northwestern, who was ironically the last guy I watched. And I feel like this has happened a lot this year. He was the last player I watched and ended up all the way at six. It'll be a really interesting combo around Caleb Tiernan. We know Northwestern has done a really nice job over the years with a pipeline at offensive line in general.

Yeah. Okay. So I got him. I got everybody other than the first two guys. So we'll have a good back and forth conversation about those players, but the two that I haven't watched 10 and nine, uh, whoever you want to start with there, uh, let's just get a little bit of background information on them, why they ended up cracking that top 10 list for you. Um, maybe how you see these guys that, Hey, are they more downhill blockers? You think they're more like man and gap scheme run blockers? You think they're more zone blockers? Um, let's hear about those two guys first. Yeah. So he Hawnachor from Arizona State. He's a senior now.

Like I said, he started the Juco level, six, five and a half, three hundred twenty two pounds. He's got thirty four and a quarter inch arms is what I have down nine and one eighth inch hands. So full here starting at right tackle for Arizona State. Obviously, he's got size, mass and adequate length to stick and tackle, which is a really important part of summer scouting when you're watching these guys. You write down the measurements, you try to see how they adjust on tape and how they help or hurt them. So that was, I think, a positive overall for him.

I think that this is somebody that coming from the Juco level has taken to the Arizona State coaching of he tries to make a consistent effort to get inside hands to stall momentum. He understands like, hey, how do I use my 322 pounds with my hands to try to take on power? And there's pretty obvious natural strength. This is someone that I thought, you see a lot of these guys,

and it's always interesting to see how they react to the first move. Some of them just get thrown off balance. Some of them are a little slow to reset their hands or their lower half. He's got natural strength that you don't see the first move kind of bounce him around. And it allows him to reset his hands because he doesn't seem too overwhelmed. But there are a lot of I don't know if red flags, but definitely some concerns on tape and why he's more on the back end of this list for me. So he had three false starts in 2024 and listen I go and watch these I don't just write down like okay seven false starts

He stinks the reason why the three false starts matter to me You can see that he doesn't always trust his feet against speed. Oh, so he's trying to he's trying to jump he was trying to jump a couple times and That there's times where he gets beat by that outside speed because his feet are a little slow. So you could tell that is something to him he is aware of. And it's led to some penalties. And it has led to some occasions of him

getting beat by outside speed. That is currently a problem. And this is an offense, too, where they'll run some three stepstep drops and quick game, and obviously Sam Levitt is somebody that he runs all around the yard, so it's a little chaotic. But that should sometimes not always help the tackle.

So I know something you do, as well as I do, we like to filter and watch true pass rush sets, because it gives you an idea how a guy looks in a scenario that you're gonna see plenty of the NFL of. And I think that there was obviously concern about taking on speed. I think spacing is another thing, spacing, you know, spatial awareness.

He just, he allows rushers to get around that outside shoulder. But if he had better spatial awareness, especially with a quarterback that has mobility like they do at this program, he can run them out. And he hasn't really figured that out yet. And I think a lot of the great tackles don't panic because they know I'm going to run this guy as why. And I'll get to a guy that I thought did a good job of this in a bit. I'm going to let them run themselves out of the play. And I should trust my quarterback to step up or be set in the right place in the pocket.

He doesn't have that awareness yet. And maybe that's something that'll kinda, that green light will come on the second year out of the Juco level. They asked him to block on the move a lot. Like you'll see him pull and counter. And he just, he doesn't land on his targets with consistency or sustainability.

It's kind of all over the place and that's just getting yourself under control. And I just, I would like to see him, he has enough mass and natural strength. He doesn't really finish those run blocks with authority. So I'd like to see that mean streak kind of, you know, turn the corner for him. But he's somebody that I'm curious when you watch him.

I think there's definitely some ability there as a true right tackle with the style that he plays. But just with some of his shortcomings He's somebody that if he does start at the next level you're probably gonna want to give him a little bit of help so many good narratives and conversations there even within just that first scouting report that we can touch on and exactly sort of like what You're looking for with offensive linemen because you know Offensive lines are a little bit different again. You know if you're a much more of a Horizontal mid and outside zone rushing scheme, okay, then you're prioritizing a lot more of athleticism. But I would tell you that athleticism, especially playing offensive line at the highest level in the NFL. It's a prerequisite, you know, you think of guys like, like Quentin Nelson, for example, right? I think Quinton Nelson is the quintessential sort of like

power, you know, mall you type of interior offensive lineman that we think about in the NFL. Quinton Nelson's a great athlete. Right. Like he's a great athlete. Quinn Miners kind of the same way, like Quinn Myers, we think of him like an ass kicker, one of the best over the last couple of years

for the Denver Broncos. Quinn Myers is a great athlete. So even these dudes who but Trent Williams, man, wait, right. When you think about at the end of I mean, Trent Williams is as much of a mauler as it is. And like this dude is a great athlete, a great athlete. 40. I think there's a lot of people who might look at offensive lineman and you know, whether you're, you know, just starting out scouting or like whatever it it is and they might look at an offensive lineman and they

say like, okay, well, no, no, no, he's more of a power downhill guy. So it doesn't really have to be that great of an athlete, but sort of in situations exactly like what you're saying, you might be able to get away with it from a run blocking perspective if you're put in the right run blocking scheme. But if you are not a great athlete, you're going to get exposed in pass protection. And there's gonna be a handful of guys that we're talking about here on this show

where athleticism can look different in a lot of ways. Like athleticism to me, also like flexibility goes in. Oh yeah. How balanced you are in your feet, how fast your feet move, that goes into it just as much as sort of how much ground you might cover on the hoof as a polar or in zone blocking schemes. So it's a really great point that you bring up and I'm glad that we sort of

started here with them because it's a great way to sort of categorize and talk about offensive lineman where you go, okay, yeah, if you're, if you're just a power guy, yes, there's a run scheme where you can play well and still be effective. But when you're asked to patch protect, if you are not a great anticipator, sometimes you get exposed. If you don't have that type of flexibility or foot speed or just a coordination, core strength, body control, balance, those types, those are the type of things that make you an athlete at the

offensive tackle, or even I would say like guard position. So that was something that I'm really glad that you brought up there. Washing rushers out. I also think is a really important thing just to touch on very quickly because sometimes you are right. Sometimes guys might be really big frame, might have a lot of weight on them somewhere around like 215 to 200 or sorry, 315 to 330 pounds or even above and having that much weight might make it difficult for them to hit you on either like a vertical kick slide or a 45 degree kick slide to really meet the edge

rusher if they're a speed rusher exactly when they're going to turn the corner. But that doesn't always mean that you're going to lose the rep because just like you said, if you've got long arms, if you don't panic, then even if these speed rushers get even with your outside shoulder, if they're going too far or they don't have elite bend, you could probably still get your arms out, push them with their momentum. And all of a sudden, they're getting washed out of the back of the pocket and

the quarterback's able to just step up very easily. And yeah, that can sometimes get recorded as a pressure, but other times it's not. You kind of win that rep as an offensive lineman and I think that's- The rest is on your quarterback from there. Right, exactly. That's an example where if if you still get sack, why do you hold the ball for six seconds? Yes. So I think that some people might watch again,

like whether you're you're new in your scouting journey or you're just trying to understand players a little bit better. Sometimes I see this at the senior bowl, right? The senior bowl in the shrine bowl, for example, sometimes I'll watch people point out a play and say, see this edge rusher, you know, got around the outside shoulder of the offensive tackle. That means that the edge rusher won the rep. And that's not necessarily the case. Sometimes the offensive tackle actually wins that if they know that, Hey, this is a five step drop play. My quarterback's not coming that far down into the pocket. And if this guy wants to run all the way past my shoulder, so be it. He ain't going to touch my quarterback because I'm just going to wash him out my shoulder, so be it. He ain't gonna touch my quarterback,

cuz I'm just gonna wash him out of the back of the pocket. He's gonna loop around behind where the quarterback is, and there's gonna be no threat there. So that's another just little tidbit of something that you brought up that I sort of wanted to explain there, cuz I think it's a great way to start this out. If here's a prospect that does a lot of the power stuff well, but then when it comes to the pass protection stuff, they might be a little bit limited if they're not a great anticipator and they can really know what edge rushers are doing.

So I thought that was a great start by you there. And then number nine, let's sit, let's sit down really quick. I'll go only on real quick. He's projected obviously to about a part of Ohio State's offensive line this year. They got him from rice where he was a three year starter. He's played on both sides, which you love to see. He is six foot six, 333 pounds with 34 and five eighth inch arms and 10 inch hands.

He is a monster. That's a large human being. And what I love about him is to match the sizes. This guy plays with a different energy. You could see why Ohio State went out and got him from Rice. He wants to inflict pain on the football field. He knows his size is his advantage, and he actually tries to use that to his advantage.

Just a massive human height, length, mass, relatively under control in pass throw. Obviously he's gonna be tested at a much different caliber in the big ten but He has balanced being under control and when to let out that nasty side And that is a really really important skill for any offensive lineman He knows how to shut down outside speed with his length You know we just talked about an example of struggling with that well, okay

I carry more weight and size than a lot of guys out in the field with his length. You know, we just talked about an example of struggling with that. Well, okay, I carry more weight and size than a lot of guys out in the field, but I also have almost 35 inch arms and 10 inch hands. So why don't I use that to my full effect? It's like a wide receiver, maximizing their catch radius. Well, how do I stall these speed rushers? Because they're going to be lighter guys anyway. So I'm going to be strong enough to slow down their momentum. And then what I really like about this player, because you're projecting be lighter guys anyway. So I'm gonna be strong enough to slow down their momentum. And then what I really like about this player, because you're projecting him going from a three-year starter at Rice now

to a team that just won a national title. He made significant strides in past row from 2023 to 2024, where I think this is somebody that is clearly leaning in on the mental side of the game and the coaching side of the game. I think he gave up like five sacks in 2023. He wanted to be a brawler. He played a little stiff.

And then 2024, it was pretty obvious. The technique, he really bought into the technique and playing under control. And I think he's only gonna, you know, go upwards from here at Ohio State. So he still needs to find that control level as a run blocker. Like I said, there's times where he just wants

to absolutely dump guys, but there's also times where he'll whiff because of that. I don't think he's ever gonna have these lightning feed or this plus flexibility, but he just knows how to capitalize off his reach. And that's why I think he could stick a tackle. Okay, all right. I'm excited to see him at Ohio State,

just given the baseline of sort of what you said there. I will, I'll go my 10 to six really quick because there's a couple that are carryovers that are in both of our group, but there's a couple of names that have not been named yet. I'm wondering if they're in your top fives or if they're just outside of your top tens. Number 10, I have Cage Casey from Boise State.

Okay, I didn't get to see him. Okay, you didn't watch it? Okay, okay. So he's somebody who I think a lot of people are gonna like. Dane Bruegler, who we love, who is one of the best in the business. He had Cage in his way too early mock draft in the first round as somebody who could be a name

that we're potentially talking about, you know, in the first round in the top 50. I'll talk about a little bit about why I have him at number 10 there. Jude Bowery, did you watch him from Boston College? Nope, we're both over two out of the gate. There we go. I did have him on my list.

Okay, so he comes in at number nine for me. Caleb Tiernan from Northwestern. I have him at number eight. Austin Barber from Florida. I have him at seven. Did you watch him? No, I didn't watch Barber. Okay.

We have very different lists, very interesting. How did this happen? And then I have him at seven. Did you watch him? No, I didn't watch Barber. Okay. We have very different lists, very interesting. How did we, how did this happen? And then I have- There's a lot of tackles. And then I have my boy, Blake Miller from Clemson. Yeah. So I got Blake Miller at number six. Did you watch Blake Miller?

Yeah, Blake Miller at 11. God, you're just hating ass. This is round two for Blake Miller. He was a summer scouter. Yeah, and I'll go 19 rounds. And I'll dunk on his ass again. In the fight for Blake Miller.

No, we already went over this last year for summer scouting. And it's funny. I think we did. It's like Rocky 2. Okay, let's do Blake Miller really quick. It's funny. I watched Blake Miller. So I was a big fan of him last year for summer scouting. And I believe he was my OT2 in last year's class

going into the season. And there's a lot of things that he does very well from a speed perspective. Really impressive movement skills, just in all facets. You talk about being a guy who's an athlete. I will often look at a lot of these players. um, really impressive movement skills, just in all facets. You talk about being a guy who's an athlete. I, I, I will often look at a lot of these players and if you are a really good caliber athlete, it's hard for me to not like really want to buy in on you because that's the part that's

unteachable, right? Like being able to move the way that you do around or above 300 pounds. It's just not a guarantee for everybody. It's just not. It's even starting caliber offensive tackles at the college level. It's just not a guarantee. Blake Miller moves unbelievably well. His hands up, active, controlled. He's ready to strike at any time. Or what I love about him,

he has such a high offensive lineman IQ. Not only is he ready to strike whenever he wants to, he's also ready to not. He plays the patient game very well. I can't tell you how many times I felt like edge rushers would give him a ghost move. There was once or twice at least, he's going up against Dylan Stewart, one of the best pass rushers in the country from South Carolina, and Stewart's trying to ghost move him because he knows that college offensive tackles, they're normally not ready for it. So he's firing his hand in there straight at Blake Miller's chest.

And you know that, you know that Kobe Bryant gif where, oh man, who is it? Who's inbound in the ball? Where they do like the, where they do the thing where they just, they kind of like, they pump fake it right at Kobe Bryant's head and he just stands there. Blake Miller was kind of like that where Dylan Stewart, who is a dangerous pass rusher, flashes the inside hand straight at the chest. It was Matt Barnes, by the way, that did that to him. Who was a pretty good troll at times.

And excellent troll, Orlando Magic legend. And he, like, the hands don't even move. The posture doesn't move. He's like, nope, not falling for it. And like, that's the stuff where I go, man, you're processing the game. It's such a high level already. Really good core strength to maintain some of these blocks. Once he gets his hands inside,

I think he's got good grip strength to him three seasons of starting experience. So a ton of experience already there from him, but he's light. And last year when we were doing summer scouting, I had him as OT two, and it was a projection. And I fully said on last year's show, look, he's got to get stronger. He has to gain weight. He has to play stronger. His anchor has to be much better. He just has to handle power better. There's no question about it. I thought he handled it better last year, but he still needs to get better. Now he's listed at about 10 pounds heavier this year than what he was last year. So we will see if there's a difference there. If you could see he's got more weight on him, if he's handling power a little bit better. But to me, just the footwork, the IQ, the patience, the awareness, the anticipation, the hand usage, the grip strength, and just the caliber of an athlete that he is. I'm a big Blake Miller fan, and I messaged the college football guys, Dalton Washteman and Max Chadwick, and I sent them a

clip of him going up against Dylan Stewart, because I actually thought he held his own pretty well against Dylan Stewart, which I thought was a big test for him. And I just sent it to him, and I was just like, I will never quit Blake Miller, baby. I won do it you can't make me so a little bit lower. I don't have you on red. I didn't know they didn't Thankfully, um yeah, they actually blocked me um My own co-workers, so I don't have a moti to obviously, but I do still have him right around the top five I've got him as ot6, and I still believe he can be an NFL caliber offensive tackle. It's funny, our notes aren't that different, which is kind of, this just always makes me laugh in this

and just how rankings can work. And especially this time of year where there's a lot, a lot of canvas left to paint for these guys. He's got a crazy build. And when you talked about the weight, it's great to see him. I know last summer we were like, man, you gotta get over 300.

Now I have him down as 314. Yeah. That's like okay, we're where we need to be. For a guy it's almost 6'7, he's 6'6 and a half. He's got inspector gadget arms, dude. 35 inch arms, I mean he's got all the size. The number one thing for me, and he's played a lot of football now.

I mean, he's started at right tackle for three years and he's got two starts at left tackle last year. The number one thing for me is, as he gains this weight and does add to his play strength, his balance is my biggest issue. It's just when power rushers really, really collide with him, it makes it hard for him to readjust in that second phase because he's a guy that gets knocked off balance and it sometimes leads to him being on the ground in the run game. So if he could like really take this added mass

and translate it to improve balance, it would significantly change how I rank him. Because I think he's actually got good core strength, but there's no question that when he gets overwhelmed, it doesn't look good. And he gets overwhelmed too easily. So again, if, if, if he actually found a comfortable playing way to 315, because that's always the question, it's not just about hitting the number. You've got to feel comfortable playing it that way.

Like there's a couple of players who I don't have in my top 10. Like for example, who's one of these guys that I think, I mean Wagner might be one of those guys for Notre Dame who I think we'll have a conversation about, but oh, the guy from Texas A&M. Trezun? No, the other one. Okay.

Demetrius Crownover. He's the right tackle. He's a former tight end and he's, I mean, he's got 330 pounds now on his frame. I mean, he's huge, but you can almost kind of tell like, yay, he's got this athletic background to him. So he moves decently well for 330. But you almost feel like he's a little uncomfortable

at 330. So that's huge. That's going to be huge for Blake Miller. Obviously, like you said, our scouting reports are very similar. I feel like that's going to be the case because I'm not trying to have blinders about the things that he doesn't do well. But again, it's just how he processes playing offensive tackle is also something that is a what a wonderful screen freeze for me

there while I'm explaining Blake Miller running. Yeah, you just you love that. How he processes things is also, I think, pretty rare in how he does that. So length, overall size, um, high football IQ. I, it's hard for me to not bet on guys like that. I'll, um, I'll quickly go over a couple of the players that you did not watch that I think, uh, a lot of people will, will want some thoughts about. Cage Casey is one of them.

I've seen some people talk about Cage Casey like a first round offensive tackle. So he's a redshirt junior from Boise state. He's listed at six foot five, three 15. I think he's got a build that can play tackle at the NFL level, but he might end up being a guard. And I'll get to the reasons why in a second, a little smaller, right? A little smart. He is a little bit smaller and he kind of just has the game for a guard. I'll explain it in a sec. He played both offensive tackle and defensive end in high school. So you like guys that play on both sides of the ball.

They've got a little bit of that experience there. I think he's a solid overall athlete for a man and gap scheme, run blocking team. But when it comes to like outside zone, mid zone, stuff like that, I think that he might be a little bit, um, on the short end of the stick with like that type of athleticism, because I'll try to explain this as, as well as I can here with zone blocking zone blocking is a little bit different than even when you're on

the move as a polar, when you are on the move as a polar, like if you're an offensive tackle for a countertray or just a regular counterplay where you're a guard who's pulling to the other side of the line of scrimmage, you normally are, you're getting out of your stance and you, your shoulders are almost fully turned, like, uh, horizontally. So you are running kind of like in a straight line. So you're like, you're flipping your hips, you're turning your shoulders and you're running in a straight line. And sometimes the athleticism when you're on the hoof like that can look good as

a polar, but from zone blocking, what zone blocking is is you're all moving in unison. Like the, the first step is in unison. You try to stay as hip to hip as you possibly can, but more importantly than that, you try to keep your shoulders as square as possible. So you're moving laterally left and right, but you're kind of like moving laterally where you're not fully turning your shoulders

and like running in a straight line. You're almost sort of like, you know, like the grapevine drills that you did growing up where you're like crossing your legs. You're not quite crossing your legs, but you're shuffling, you're running, but you're keeping your shoulders as square as possible because you need to know exactly when, okay, I'm taking this defensive lineman or I'm climbing up to the linebacker. Like you've got

to figure that out and you've got to be able to get to the second level pretty quickly. So that level of athleticism involves a little bit more coordination, flexibility, a little bit more quickness than just saying, hey, turn your hips and just run in a straight line even as a puller. So I wanted to sort of like say that there from him, the more good from him, consistent inside hand placement. You talked about that with one of your guys for you to get that initial control and have control over the guys that you're going up against. He's quick off the ball in his first step,

I think adequate enough to do some inside zone reach blocks. So that's why I think he's a little bit more of a downhill blocker. Uh, I think he's got good leg drive. He's an ass kicker, man. He will move you off the ball and that's what he does. And that's what I think he does really well. The areas where I'm a little bit lower on him than most, it seems is in past protection. I get a little bit worried with him. His posture is a bit hunched over. He's got a little bit of weight,

a little bit more weight up top and his posture is just a little bit hunched over. So that can sometimes make it a little bit of weight, a little bit more weight up top and his posture is just a little bit hunched over so that can sometimes make it a little bit tougher to stay balanced. Sometimes your weights a little too much on your toes. You can get defenders who are a little bit stronger who if they get their hands inside they can kind of manipulate you, push pull you, stack and shed, get you off balance and over your toes a little bit so that kind of shows up in pass protection with some of those pass rushers. And I just think that sometimes he looks uncomfortable in those true pass situations. And when I watch him do his kick slides, he's a little bit too much on his heels, which

again, like it makes me nervous about some imbalance, especially when you're a little bit top heavy, which I feel like he is. So he's an ass kicker in the fact that he's got that strength up top. He's got that upper body strength. He's got pretty good leg drive to, to him as well. But I just, I wonder if the arms are long enough for tackle and he just looks a little bit uncomfortable in past protection when he's left on that Island. That gets mitigated more if he were to move into guard.

Now he'd be a little bit taller of a guard at six foot five, but I think you can deal with that a little bit. So, um, to me, I just think the past protection aspects of him on an island by himself at offensive tackle, um, you see a lot more of those potential weaknesses with him where they get masked a lot easier when it's inside for him. And I think that his feet are quick enough and I think he moves well enough to where you don't worry about, you know, him getting exactly where he needs to be when it comes to like an inside zone landmark or what he's going to do on dual

blocks climbing to the second level. And certainly, he's got a mentality to be a really good run blocker. So that's why I feel like I'm a little bit lower on him than other people. But that's cage Casey there for me. Any thoughts there before I move on to Jude Bowery real quick. It'd just be interesting to watch him this year to see if he can kind of transform his body to break some of those habits or if he's somebody that, you know, with his run blocking ability teams will like better at guard.

You just, you know, I, I saw a six five three Oh eight. It's not a typical tackle build in this era, but, uh, you know, obviously a guy we're going to watch closely. And I would love for him to, if he puts on more weight, I would love for him to put on a little bit more weight, like in the lower half. Sure. Just to let you guys know,

and we'll talk about this with Offensive Lyman, just from a human body perspective, like it's not always a guarantee, you know, like you just, even if you gain weight, like, It's hard. You might not gain weight, like even if you're like squatting, deadlifting, all this kind of stuff that you should be doing. Sometimes your body just doesn't place excess weight in the lower half and sometimes that just kind of like is what it is and so you got to

make up for that in other ways. I think technique and anticipation and a lot of things really can help that out being more flexible all that. So we'll just see if it's to me if it's a little bit better in pass pro with with cage Casey Jew Bowery is next the offensive tackle from Boston College I want to hear about him because this was a really good unit last year and he was on my list I just ran out of time yeah so he's a redshirt junior this season he played opposite Ozzie Trappillo so Trappillo played that right tackle spot and he played the left tackle spot six foot five three oh. Very similar to cage Casey.

And I think that the conversation is, is kind of similar with those guys. I think that when you look at Bowery, I think that he's a little bit lighter on his feet. Um, he's got a little bit more natural flexibility to him. I don't really see that, that sort of hunched over, uh, posture from him, but light on his feet and pass pro. I think he's got a really good anchor technique he knows how to use leverage and so for an anchor

technique like just a just a very quick synopsis of it as somebody who did not play NFL offensive line or anything like that you can you guys might yeah it's where guys that yeah it's true that's true I can't I can't I can't sell my short in life you're right you guys can find clinics where they explain this a lot more in depthly, but essentially when you're facing power, when a guy, uh, is, is just coming right at you and he's, and he's got his hands inside and he's got his arms extended and he's trying to bull rush you.

What you are trying to do as an offensive lineman is you are trying to one, get your pad level lower than his. You are trying to also get your hands as inside as you possibly can on their chest to just have maximum control over them. So you're looking to get leverage. You're looking to get low. You're looking at your hands inside. So you're as strong as possible to bench press them up. And what you're mainly trying to do is you want to widen your base. And essentially as they are bull rushing you with every step that they take,

you want to have your feet wide. You want to have them open and you want to sort of hop once, twice, and then essentially what you want to do is you want to anchor, get your feet in the ground, use that leverage and use your arms to lift their momentum up so their momentum is no longer, that speed of power momentum is no longer coming at you and through you and straight at the quarterback. You are using your leverage and your lower body to redirect their momentum up to stop their anchor and you do that using a couple of those techniques. Obviously, like I said, there are people who know a lot more about that than me from experience that you guys can go see clinics on.

But that is what we're talking about when we say good anchoring technique and you can be a lighter offensive lineman like Jew Bowery. He is listed at 308 308 is 37th percentile for the offensive tackle position. You were on the lower percentile weight and yet I still think that he can handle power pretty well because he's got great technique. You can be able to do that if you've got good technique. I think he's a good enough athlete to get on the hoof for those mid and outside zone plays. Obviously I think that that also makes him a good candidate who could be a puller. The issue for me with him and why he's a good enough athlete to get on the hook for those mid and outside zone plays. Obviously, I think that that also makes him a good candidate who could be a puller. The issue for me with him and why he's a little bit lower is I do worry about the arm length. The arm length issues often cause him to, and again, just kind of try to picture this, guys.

The reason why arm length matters for offensive tackles is because ideally what you would love to do is you would love to be able to sit low with your back arched correctly. You've got the right posture. You're sitting down. You're conjuring the power in your lower body and you want to be able to hit and go up against and hand fight edge rushers without having to compromise your posture and your power. When you have long arms, it allows you to do that. When you have shorter arms, think about in order to reach the edge rusher going up against, you have to lean, you have to get closer to them. When you lean, then more of your weight is on your toes and then you're hunched a little bit.

So you're losing the power that you get in your hamstrings and your glutes and some things like that. And of course you're off balance. So when you have shorter arms, that's where it sometimes gets tough in those situations. He's got a little bit shorter arms that kind of causes that lean for him when he's going up against edge rushers that he knows have a reach advantage on him. And the lower weight profile sometimes shows up when he's finishing blocks. Sometimes he can, you know, as a puller, for example, he might meet a guy like right in the hole or he might be, you know, the kick out blocker and it's just like, boom, okay,

there's the contact and then the defender doesn't really go anywhere. So he's blocking him, but it's not really this displacement type of strength. And so I wonder if the length issues might end up kicking him inside the offensive tackle, or sorry, to offensive guard for a zone blocking scheme. But I do think that he moves well enough to where he could be a good in pass protection and he handles power decently to at least in pose the question. Can I stick it off into tackle in the NFL? So those are my thoughts on him. I like it. And then we had,

we did both have Caleb Tiernan in this tier? We did have Tiernan, yes, yes. Okay, finally some crossover. Yeah, go ahead. I feel like I've been talking a bunch. You talk to me and- That's naturally how it goes when we have different players. I went back to back on that as well.

Intro Tiernan for us and we'll talk about him. So Tiernan, Northwestern offensive tackle. He's a redshirt senior this year. He's six, seven and a half, 320 pounds. He is quite senior this year. He's six seven and a half 320 pounds He is quite large, but he doesn't shorter arms 32 and a half inch projected arm length right now for his size But this is someone that has already played a ton of football as is often the case with these northwestern Tackles they I mean you see these guys they they don't

Mind starting them at a pretty young age in there. I mean, he started five games at right tackle in 2022, and he's been their two year starter at left tackle the last two years. Obviously, job he's going to hold down going to 2025. So when all is said and done in his draft year, this is somebody that's going to have three full starting years at left tackle and about a half season of starting experience at right tackle, which we've seen in the past, you know, with their prospects before. And it shows up Trevor. I mean, he's just hyper aware, battle tested,

obviously has a lot of good matchups on the schedule, never really looks overwhelmed, honestly. Like he shows up against the Ohio States of the world. This is somebody that he pass protects with well-timed hands, inside hands. I think- Super confident in pass pro, man. It's, it is, that is the perfect word description for him

is that he doesn't really look overwhelmed or nervous. Every rep is pretty similar. It, despite not having that arm length, he's somebody that has the lower body movement skills that aside, I mean, keep in mind, this guy's almost six feet, eight inches tall, he's 320 pounds, and he doesn't have really long arms. If I was six, seven and a half,

I'd be confident standing in front of anybody too. Right, you should be, and he's played a lot of football, so he's kind of seen it all, where he's a good adjuster. Once again, I love the hand usage, he makes an effort to dump people in the run game. He's got enough lower half athleticism in terms of agility and movement skills where he's a huge factor in the run game. He doesn't get limited in protecting on an island and pass pro.

I would not be surprised to me if he's one of those outliers that even though the arm length does not pass the NFL threshold that we're having this conversation seven or eight months from now, I still rank him with the tackles. I like that that much. I just thought he had the intelligence combined with the technique combined with the athleticism that I never watched him going God, he just he's getting beat because he has no he doesn't have any length. He just didn't feel that way watching him. And I just love his mentality in the run game. So Caleb Tiernan for me, I mean, easily earned that, that OT six ranking coming out of summer, the experience I think he's in for a really, really big year. And he's already put out

a lot of good tape. I thought 2024 tape was phenomenal. So I'm excited to see what he could do this year. Highest pass blocking grade at any of the offensive tackles that I was watching for this group at could do this year. Highest pass blocking grade at any of the offensive tackles that I was watching for this group at an 88.9. You just played really well, very confident in pass protection, like you mentioned. He reminds me of Wyatt Milam a little bit, right? I completely agree, just on the other side.

Yeah, yeah, the same exact build. Kind of the same build, same, honestly, a lot of the same conversations where you're just like, okay, like, yeah, because Milam had, He's a four year starter. Milam had 32 and an eighth inch arms, which is ninth percentile and a 79 and a half inch wingspan, which is 29th percentile. I don't know if tier nins are that low, but it's sort of the same conversation of this is a taller guy whose arm length doesn't necessarily match the height, but he just plays the position really well. I mean,

like maybe he is a guard because of the lack of arm length, but uh, he just eats so much success playing that position. So it's hard to sort of argue where he is on these lists. Um, let's hit on Emil Wagner next, because I did not have him in my top 10. I Wagner is, is one of those guys who I kind of just, I need to see a little bit more from because I get a little bit nervous with him. He's he's another player who sometimes I just don't feel I gotta look up what his what his weight was when he was a recruit. Oh wait here it is he weighed 260

265 when he showed up to Notre Dame and now now they've got him, obviously as you would want, a lot closer to 300 pounds. Do you have an exact weight for him? Yeah, 291. Okay, so they have listed him at like 296. And I look at him and I go, I feel like he's kind of moving uncomfortable a little bit still at that weight.

But there are a lot of physical things to like about him as somebody who played offensive tackle, he played defensive end. He played basketball He was a track shot put guy in high school like talk to me about Wagner since you have him a little bit higher This is my projection guy because when you're talking about a sub 300 pound tackle prospect that has been you know He started all at 2024 right tackle obviously for the fighting Irish and who had a great season. Man there's a lot to like in terms of projection with Emile Wagner. It's not perfect but he has the length to protect on an island.

I wish I didn't see the weight before I watched him because I was pleasantly surprised with the strength and the power he has despite being a lighter weight guy. I will say though, I think more mass on his body and you saying he needs to get more comfortable with the mass is a really, really important spot on point. He's a little bit of a waist bender. So that helps. He's high cut, yeah.

Yeah, where I'm like, you're not, you're strong pound for pound. Yeah. But I don't know if you trust that strength against these guys that are bigger than you sometimes. He's somebody not shocking coming out of this program. He's clearly well-coached up. He changes up his technique and punch timing

quarter to quarter to keep rushers off balance he under and listen to this Trevor you want to talk about watching battle tested tape when you get to a watch Emil Wagner for summer scouting this year he opened things up against Texas A&M he got to play high stakes games against that Georgia front Penn State where he saw a ton of Abdul Carter and Ohio State where he saw a ton of Jack Sawyer. So, and he's a battler, man. Like I kind of expected him and I had no hate just against that schedule to get his ass kicked

against like an Abdul Carter. And yeah, he gives up some plays, but there's also times where he runs him out or he stalls his power. He's a good athlete. He is. He's the classic. He is the classic. Oh, I found

a power forward that I think I could put 40 pounds on and maybe he could play in the NFL. He looks like a basketball player at tackle right now. For better and for worse. But I really, really like how he sustains his run blocks, hand placement, leg drive. There's a lot there because you just can't play tackle at the weight he's playing tackle at right now. And as he gains weight, as Trevor said, you need to get more comfortable and not play over your toes all the time.

But I didn't, like, that's a big ask what they asked of him last year against those NFL caliber defensive lines multiple times. It's not just one or two matchups. There's tons of matchups. And I thought this dude fought, held his own, and there's a lot of positive things to look forward to. I think the biggest issue, and I love what you said,

and I honestly, I love that you have him where you do your ranking, so we will have the chance to talk about him like this. The biggest issues that I have with him are, like I said, he's not even 300 yet, and I think he's still a little uncomfortable being around that weight. And the thing that worries me the most is how high cut he is and how difficult it is

for him to get his butt down pre-snap. Because he's naturally going to be a bigger, taller dude and he just loses a lot of leverage battles right off the bat because he can't get his butt down. So if he can, if we even get him like 305, 310, like I think he, if he were to be drafted in the NFL right now, he'd be the classic like draft and stash. Like you're not really playing him probably until his third year of his rookie contract and you're hoping that he,

he becomes a starter, that he gets a second contract with you and that he's phenomenal within his second contract and beyond, but that was an area that I was a little bit nervous. We get to see him another year at Notre Dame and hopefully he's putting on a little bit more weight or just looks comfortable at that higher weight because I do think that that is required of him.

The last guy that we talked about in this group before we move on to the top fives, Austin Barber from Florida. So Austin Barber, you talked about somebody who wins with leverage. Man, this guy absolutely does. I don't think he's the biggest and strongest in the world. I know he's listed at three 15, but he's somebody who when you watch him sort of make contact or try to maintain

blocks, you could tell, I think he needs to get a little bit stronger, but the things that you love about him is he is just a very, very good all around athlete. He is also somebody who played basketball in high school and you could absolutely see that in how he plays the game. You watch Austin Barber and before the ball was even snapped for that first, for that first player that you were watching of him, he is, that base is wide. It is strong. It is low. It is loaded for whatever that first step is,

whether it's straight at a defender, whether it's to the left, whether it's to the right, whatever. He is winning the leverage battle consistently because of how flexible his groin, his glutes, his hip flexors are, and how low he can get in his stance, and he can fire off the ball with great leverage. That really helps that leg drive in the run game. It helps him have great technique when it comes to anchoring again, because he's always executing that anchor technique

with really good leverage first and foremost. I think he's got good hand technique to constantly get his hands inside to get that inside control. I saw that consistency from him there, but so I think he's a really good finesse offensive tackle right now, really good for those mid and outside zone blocking schemes because I think he's

great on the hoof and he's got that great leverage and great flexibility to him. But he's got to get stronger all around. That goes into the displacement that he has as a run blocker, how he takes power and pass protection. And he's got to be able to maintain blocks longer. There are times when Connor, he'll get his hands inside and you go, okay, you won. And then all of a sudden the edge rusher will like have some sort of like a cross chop move

or like he'll execute a rip and like, boom, all of a sudden like he comes off the block. And I was like, oh, wait a second, you did your job. You gotta block him a little bit longer than that. You gotta get him quarterback at least an extra second there to get the ball out of his hands. So I think he's gotta maintain those blocks for a little bit longer. And another part of that, another piece of the puzzle or part of the evidence to him needing to get

stronger is when he has tried to maintain those blocks, Connor, nine total penalties, seven accepted, five of them were holding in 2020. That's a problem. Yeah. And so he's just got to get stronger. He is not the same build, but it's the same conversation that we had with Broderick Jones. I don't think, again, he's just got to get stronger. He is not the same build, but it's the same conversation that we had with Broderick Jones. I don't think, again, he's not the same, he's not the same caliber of a prospect, in my opinion,

with the same sort of build. But remember Broderick Jones coming out of Georgia, we went great length, great size, built the way we wanted him to be, really good flexibility for his size at the NFL level. He just has to get stronger. And here, a couple years into Pittsburgh, we're kind of still saying the same thing with Broderick Jones and it's got to be a big year from

him from a weight room perspective and just being stronger and maintaining those blocks. And I think that conversation is a little bit the same. I don't know if that's going to be, you know, like a scouting comp for Austin Barber, but that conversation is sort of the same there and how I see him. Yeah, I got another guy guy I gotta get eyes on. Man, this class is deep, man. The fact that we watched this many guys, and we have guys, additional guys that we each haven't seen

is crazy to me. It's a good year to need trench players. Yes, because plenty of these guys will kick in to settle beef up the interior class. Yep, yep, yep. Okay, number five. Wait, gotta pay, wait, wait, gotta pay the bills. Sorry, gotta pay the bills. Gotta talk to people out there, especially the parents.

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That's Mason Graham, I think. He was the meat umbrella player of the year. Do He's the meat umbrella player of the year. Do we give a meat umbrella player of the year? I don't know. You know, I had wings this past Sunday. It looks good. Yeah, I mean, they're good, but brother, what an epidemic we live in.

It feels like you're going through a wing problem down south. 100%, wait, are you telling me it's not that bad up there? Brother, I can't get an order of 10 wings for less than $16.95. The price gouging is out of control. Yeah.

I do completely agree with that because wings for me, I know you can just hammer wings, but especially like there's times where I order food, but like, man, I really would just like six wings right now. I can't relate to that. But they just they rob you. That's true. Don't call it like if you get six wings forget it you're getting robbed. The worst part was that the place that I ordered wings They had 5, 10, 50. Can you give me like a 15 or a 20 piece? That is actually...

Because if I wanted 15, then I'd have to order the 10 and then an extra order of 5 on top of it. They're not cutting me a deal. No, and you're getting ripped off because this goes back to the half a dozen problem I just stated. Right, and I won't do it off of principle. But this is what Big Food, big takeout is doing to us. They are, they are. It's a numbers game where unless you're just a massive, massive eater, like who's a good example of this?

You know, like what Emil Wagner needs to be doing soon. But there's no sweet spot anymore. You're always either gonna have leftovers or be underserved. Yeah. Big takeout has really figured it out. It's sad. Yeah.

Who doesn't love a good night of takeout? Okay. All right, hold on. I'm gonna ask you this question because funny story. My cousin, I call him my cousin, he's married to a family member, but he's like family. So it's just easier to say that. He, he wants as a, this is famous in our family now had a, had a reaction when I was ordering wings one time about four or five years ago. Can you eat just wings? This is my question for you. Can you eat just wings? Can you go

to a wing place and go, yeah, I'll take 15 wings and like, that's it. Or do you have to be like, no, no, no, that's weird. Like I gotta get, I gotta eat wings and you know, either fries or like wings are an appetizer and then like I get a burger or something. I prefer to get fries, but as a meal, I can easily eat wings. You can. Okay. All right. All right. So this was, this was his, this was his gripe is, is we were all, we had a big group and we were all ordering wings and can, okay, all right, all right. So this was his gripe is we were all, we had a big group and we were all ordering wings.

And I was like, all right, what are we gonna do, like 100 wings? And he's like, all right, but then what? He didn't look, he looked at wings as an appetizer. Yeah, and I was like, no, what are you talking about? Do you want more? 10 wings. I said to him, I was like, do you need more wings? And he's like, no, what do,

he looked at me and the phrase that we repeat all the time is like he looked at me and he just goes Just wings like but it was like that So anytime anytime we're going to order wings, especially if he's around we'll go so just wings And it's perfect and a lot of people are are like that. I don't know why comment comment I would love to hear from the people just wings. Can you order? Just wings. Can you be good with 15 20 or does it have to be an appetizer? It's got to come with something else or can you hammer? No, no, no, I'm hungry enough for 20 wings. That's what I'm ordering That's what's happened. Well, if the argument is, I just need something different,

get half a dozen of two different flavors. Yeah, but even that wasn't, it wasn't good enough. No, he just, he just can't get over the fact that wings is a meal. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. My wife is also like this. She's like, I can't eat like one of something. Like, like for dinner, it's normally gotta,

like we gotta have like a side or whatever. It needs to be like a spread. She can't eat a lot of one thing. And again, I can't relate to that. If I'm hungry and you throw a 32 ounce ribeye in front of me, the only other thing I need is water. And I'm good to go. So what about,

what is like a lobster mac and cheese category fall into? Like is that just that's just one thing is the big bowl of mac and cheese with with Lobster alright, you go you may be you might have me there I don't know if I could eat like just a giant bowl of lobster back restaurants do that That's just lobster back. It's a just lobster mac. All right, we'll see. It's a fair point. I think both sides are right here

and I'm usually not a believer in that two sides could be right, but I get it. I get it. All right, so tackle five. Who you got at five? Yeah, yeah. Five for me was Miami's Francis Mauiola.

Okay, all right. Is he in your top five? He is, he is. Very nice. He is number two for me was Miami's Francis Mauiola. Okay, all right. Is he in your top five? He is, he is. Very nice. He is number two for me, but I think this is where we'll start to have some good conversation about where I think that he fits

and where he could be the best pro. Yeah, six foot six, 329 pounds, true junior, this is a large lad. I mean, he was a consensus five star out of IMG Academy. He got to Miami and obviously they were very happy with the shiny new toy they had recruited because he started right away. He's played right tackle for them each of the last two years

as his true freshmen and true sophomore seasons. I mean, what you see is what you get in terms of the size. Like he is big, thick, powerful from head to toe. There's just strength and power that generates with him. He stalls speed to power. That's where that thick lower half, we've talked a lot about that the six through 10 guys, a lot of them need to add lower half mass.

With Maui Oa, it doesn't really ever look that way. He could easily stall speed to power with his base. I love when he's playing in a phone booth in the run game because it's not just blocking a guy, sustaining a block. He is more of a guy that engulfs and dumps defenders. You kind of just see their frame get swallowed into his frame and then they're on the ground. And it's a big man's game, right?

Like in the trenches especially, this is someone that just has the God given physical abilities to do things that not all can. Now, why I'm at five, Trevor, by the way, give me some shades of Taliza Falanga watching him. Ooh, okay. Yeah, when I watched him, especially run blocking.

And the build. He can kick ass in a run game. These are tall, just large humans. Just large humans where the height and weight ratio is like, okay, he's filled out at a pretty big size, height-wise. And those are some of the problems that a younger Fuangah had.

Their size where he just, he gets caught leaning against speed rushers. I don't know why, but I just see him block forward over his skis, and that allows the speed rushers to angle around that outside shoulder. Because if he had a flat back against them, I think he would use his size and be able to stall their speed a little bit with his strength,

but when he blocks over his toes, that's when they're able to get flexible around him. And then as a run blocker, obviously he's human, a human stick of dynamite out there, but sometimes his pad level runs high because he's a bigger guy. And that's when he goes, Kelvin Banks had this issue. And Kelvin Banks was somebody that I asked about this issue and he was very transparent about it. He's like, it's almost excitement, but it's something that you absolutely have to fix. You get out there and you wanna be that human C4 and just detonate someone.

And when he connects, bodies go flying. But there's a lot of problems of failing to sustain the run blocks if you just played a little more under control. Now this is a really, really young player. So I would, I think Maui Oa could easily be the first or second tackle taken in this draft. There's just some things that I want to see him clean up and it's his true junior season. So I'm pretty bullish that he will.

Yeah. And an incredible story. He is from the island of, I hope I say this right, Ili-Ili is how you say it, which is in the American Samoan Islands, which is in the Pacific. And he grew up in a village of 3000 total people. And once they kind of started playing football, and I was reading an article about him and his brothers,

really they loved the game of football. They were playing it a ton. They sort of saw an opportunity for, their family saw an opportunity for their sons to be able to play football, but they couldn't do that on the island. They needed to move for us. So they ended up moving to California first

when he was a teenager and then played a little bit of high school football. I believe in California before transferring over to IMG Academy, at least Francis did. His brother was drafted in the fifth round by the Jets this past year. And his older brother also played for Washington State. He was a three year player there.

So he's got family in football and just a really cool story of how he got to this point of a highly regarded recruit. And now we're talking about him as a draft prospect. Anytime that you get somebody who comes from island in the Pacific of 3000 people, and now we're talking about him as one of the best NFL draft prospects in the world.

I mean, that's just an incredible story. And shout out to his family for doing what they needed to do to make that happen for not just him and his brother, but that's really, really cool. So you talked about him playing right tackle, really big, thick build. He kind of looks like a guard playing offensive tackle. And so he is a player who I wonder if,

I wonder if there is arm length issues for him. I don't know. We'll see. I don't know either. He he can make up for it now in college. I wonder if it's just it is a little bit like the the Taliza for longer conversation because long guy watched him play especially his final draft eligible year which I think he was a redshirt junior that season. And I watched him at Oregon State. I was year, which I think he was a redshirt junior that season And I watched him at Oregon State. I was like nah, man. Just let him fail a tackle first I mean like I think this guy could play offensive tackle for you I really do and I think he was very solid as a rookie

Especially playing left tackle for the first time for the Saints now. He's going back to right tackle So we'll see how much better he could be this upcoming season but the reason why I ended up having him at number two ahead of Well, I'll just I'll sort of reveal it now. I've got Kayden Proctor at three. And like the reason why the conversation is kind of similar with both of those guys, massive human beings playing offensive tackle arm length, they might just be better interior players. I mean, you might be able to just watch these guys become all pro players, If you stick them inside a guard, whereas if you play them a tackle, yeah, they could play tackle for you a little bit kind of like, like, yeah, okay, Joe Tooney can play

tackle for you, you know, Donovan Jackson can play tackle for you, AVT can play tackle for you. But you don't, that's not their biggest area of impact or you get more negative plays than you would just straight positive plays if maybe they're a guard. So the reason why I have, Maui Goa, I believe is how you say his last name. The reason why I have him at two is because of a lot of the promising things

that you mentioned there, but I also think his feet fire faster in pass protection than Kaden Proctor's. I thought so too. And I just felt like he was lighter on his feet in pass pro in those one-on-one, you're on an island tackle situations than Proctor was. Proctor's so impossible for so many people to get around because he's a damn mountain. But he's, he's McKay Beckton size. Basically I felt as though, uh, Maui Goa was winning

in pass pro more with his feet than like Kaden Proctor was. So both of these guys might end up being guards. I don't know, but the footwork is really what, um, what did it for me with him where I was like, okay, like we got, we're talking, we don't know, but the footwork is really what did it for me with him where I was like, okay, like we got, we're talking about, I'm watching a true sophomore here. This guy's got the whole world ahead of him of where he could be and who he could be as a prospect. So I like him as well.

I have him at number two. So you had him at two. I think we're holding really, really high on him. I had Kaden Proctor at three as well, but okay, okay I think you and I are gonna see eye to eye on him so five for you five for me is Charles Jogos jog you saw interesting Notre Dame. Yes. Did you watch him?

I did he was somebody that I just couldn't I couldn't honestly rank with hard with everything that has gone on Last season and now an unfortunate UTV accident that is gonna go on into this season. Yep I so I but I get I get what you're gonna say and I'm very curious to hear it because there are Obviously flashes of talent in a very, very, very small sample. So he's a redshirt sophomore going into this season. He's listed at six foot seven, 325 pounds or 20 pounds. So that's 83rd percentile and 69th percentile for the position.

I think he's got adequate arm length. I think he can absolutely play tackle at the NFL level. Four star offensive tackle as a recruit in that 2023 recruiting class. Played both offensive and defensive line. He also wrestled in high school, went undefeated 41 and 0 winning the state championship as a junior. And then he committed to Notre Dame. He played in two games in 2023. I think he, I think that was the year that he redshirted. He would have redshirted that season, I believe. He played in two games in 2024, so last year,

but he only played in two games because he tore his peck before the season started. So we didn't get to see him for almost the entire year. All he did was play the last two games of the season, the college football semi-final and then the national championship, the college football semi-final, he played it right guard for them. And then in the national championship against Ohio State, he played every snap at left tackle.

So that was basically his first game at tackle of the season, was in the National Championship against Ohio State's defensive line. And so we basically have one game from him. Right. And so I think that people are going to listen to this. And you are, I do not fault you at all whatsoever for not being able to rank him because he has one game. But I've talked to people in the Notre Dame program who think the world of this guy, like

think that he could have been an all-American type of player last year before he tore his peck. And that was with him as a red shirt freshman. They were sort of like having these potential expectations of him. He's got the size that you want. Not only does he have the wrestling background that you want, but Connor, he played soccer

and basketball growing up. Soccer specifically is important because this guy moves incredibly well. He is still so light on his feet, so well coordinated, so balanced for all sorts of change of direction and pulling and just inside, outside zone, everything, mirroring pass rushers, all of that kinds of stuff. The only game I was able to watch was against Ohio State.

And if JT Tui Malauau is a second round draft pick, the one game that he has started in college football, he not only held his own, but got the better of JTT most of that game. And JTT got drafted in the second round. This guy's played once, once coming off a torn peck. He, I was, now that's not to say he didn't lose reps against JTT, he did. JTT's got so much more experience than Jagu saw does.

And so like you can absolutely see there were reps where it's just like, okay, like he didn't anticipate the way that he needed to hat off from JTT. He did a great job, especially in the second half of that game, uh, playing that chess match of sort of what worked and what didn't, but he's built the way that you want a starting caliber NFL offensive tackle to be built. He has fantastic pre-sn snap posture, low pad level. His hip flexors are flexible enough to where he can just he can totally get down and very powerful pre snap. He anchors

very well already with good technique and strength against bull rushes. naturally fluid mover at six foot seven 320. I saw him mirror pass rushers whether it was a Jack Sawyer or most of the game he was going up against to him below anytime to him below I'll try to cross chop him or go inside out or whatever he was right there and ready for it he didn't panic he had great posture he was able to stand right in front of him excellent excellent core strength to where when he chose to fire his hand inside and get in the inside chest to JTT and when he was able to get his hands inside, that was it.

That would, I mean, like he was not moving as JTT was kind of like trying to move, like move his body and do, you know, you know, take them one way or the other. He could handle it. That core strength from that wrestling background absolutely shows up for him. Great body control. Not only does he have good body control off the snap, he has great body control when he is resetting, when he is resetting, when he is resetting his hands,

when he might've lost an initial rep, all of that is there. I wonder how long the arms are. I think he's built like an offensive tackle. I just wonder if they're a big plus for him. And then of course, like, he's got to play. And unfortunately, on top of the pec injury, and a reason why you probably didn't have him ranked, and I get it, is he just recently, a week ago, broke his arm in a UTV, ATV accident when he

was up in Wyoming. And now he's going to miss maybe more than half the season? I don't know. It seems, we don't know exact details yet, but it seems significant. So there is a very, I would even say that the most likely possibility is that he's not coming out for 2026. That he's gotta come back just because he won't have enough games. Let me throw another wrinkle at you. Go ahead. He probably wasn't gonna play tackle this year, right?

I mean, they have Anthony Knapp at left tackle, who I know got hurt before the playoff, but he was their left tackle and he's a sophomore who they really like. And then Emil Wagner's their right tackle. So Jaguarsaw was going to play guard, I think this year, and then would probably get to play right tackle if Wagner declared the following year. Now, if that was the path, obviously, I don't think that he would have declared at all anyways. I think he would have started at tackle. Just from what I've talked.

Yeah, maybe, who knows? It's hard to admit now he can't, so it really stinks. Right, all that to say, I love them, man. Yeah, I get it. The one game that I watched I went again I went if JTT is a second round pick this kid's already like late first early second round type of a player. There's so much of a projection he's got to prove it I totally understand that but you want to talk about dudes that are built and have the athletic ability and

just the overall natural talent to play this position at an incredibly high level. This dude is it. This dude has it. And so that's I was so impressed with that one game. I got him at five here. Number four for me is Xavier Chaplin. The transfer from Virginia Tech to Auburn. Didn't watch it.

It's okay. I mean, he's a transfer. It's a big transfer for Auburn. Six, seven, three, 38. He is someone that I think it's just gonna go one of two ways. Like he's either gonna be a borderline first rounder or he could be a day three guy.

This is your bet guy. Like, like Jaguarsaw is my bet guy. This is your bet guy. Like, like Jaguarsaw is my bet guy. This is your bet guy. I mean, two year starter at left tackle for Virginia Tech. Now he transfers to Auburn. He is an insanely dense human, especially in the thick lower half. Like he's almost 340 pounds.

He's huge, absolutely huge. I think his lower half works in sync with his hands, which is impressive at that size A lot of guys kind of they'll stop their feet while they throw their hands He throws his hands with a purpose as a pass protector a lot of these guys sometimes It's a little it could be going through the motions or doing it for the sake of doing it when this guy throws his hands It's meant to knock pass rushers off balance. He's got this nasty snatch and trap in pass pro. I mean, there's a couple of times where he buries people

in the dirt with the snatch and trap where I was like, that is really clean, really impressive and shows off not only technique, but pure strength. And then you watch him in the run game in a phone booth. He just relocates people. This is why Auburn loved him. He's a people mover off the line of scrimmage. Like, hey, you're in front of me or it's inside zone. I'm playing in a phone booth. I'm bigger and stronger than you. You're going places

and I'm going to help our team's run game. Now, this is why he is a, I think, high variance prospect. Not a ton of true pass sets in Virginia Tech's offense when you watch the tape. It's gonna be interesting to see him in those scenarios in the SEC. I think he was overwhelmed against stunts and overload pressures. And the speed of that is only gonna increase. Way too many holds and false starts last year.

He had seven combined. He gets grabby. He doesn't need to. He's so strong and. He gets grabby. He doesn't need to. He's so strong and his punch is so powerful. He does not need to hold. But it's just naturally, he got really, really grabby. And then this goes back to the contrast of all the great things I said about him

blocking in a phone booth in the run game. When you watch them run outside zone or getting him on the move in general, the balance in hand placement is just all over the place. It's all, and it leads to a lot of big misses. So the highs of Xavier Chaplin are franchise tackle. The lows are borderline liability, but the fact that Auburn went after him as hard as they did

with his physical gifts, I'm fascinated what they can kind of squeeze out of him developmental wise going forward. Yeah, fit probably matters a lot for this. Yes. And sort of, we try to do this more on this show. We're gonna do that even more this year, even at PFF. Like we're gonna talk about these prospects and say like,

okay, not only this is where we have them ranked, but also, you know, subcategories. Like this is a zone blocking scheme type of offensive tackle. And some guys are, some guys are scheme versatile and we'll be able to showcase that as well. But you know, this sounds like a player who, hey, if he gets in a downhill man gap run blocking scheme, he's running out of power, a lot of duo, things like that. Like you'll probably be happy with a lot of the results that you get.

And if, you know, he's getting drafted to a Shanahan outside zone type of system, then yeah, you might have a couple of plays that you wish you maybe drafted a different offensive tackle. So we will see with that one. The next guy that I wanna talk about is Caleb Lomu from Utah. I have him at four. You had him nine, eight?

Let's see, I had him at eight. You talk about somebody who has the ability to develop into an NFL caliber offensive tackle. So he's only a redshirt sophomore this year. He was just a redshirt freshman last year. Him and Spencer Fano, the offensive tackle from Utah, who I'm sure that we'll talk about in a few minutes here. Connor, this, with the way that we talked about Mowigoa

and the way that we talked about Proctor, how both of those guys could potentially be guards at the NFL level, Utah might have OT1 and OT2 in the 2026 semifinals. There's a very real world where that trajectory happens. Because Fano, I'm gonna assume that you still have him higher on the list and we'll talk about him in a few minutes, you've got low mood eight, and I think that you still have him higher on the list and we'll talk about him in a few minutes.

You've got Lomu at eight and I think that you got Lomu at eight. We probably see them the same. I guarantee it. I just think that, what'd you say? I would guarantee we do. I think Lomu is just a year away in some physical development categories. 100%. And like, I see him exactly the same.

You look at his measurables right now. So one year as a starter, he started at, he started at left tackle while Alfano started at right tackle, making sure I got that right. So he's listed at six foot six, three and a four pounds. And when you look at this dude, like I saw pictures that like Utah was posting and somebody had a link of him. Like he took a vacation with his family

and it was like a collage pictures or whatever. And like he's at the beach and everything. And you look at this dude and you're like, holy crap. You could still put on so much more weight. Like you look like such an athlete and you look like you can put on so much more great weight to play offensive tackle, not just at college football but the NFL level.

So he was a four star, won a state championship in 2021. He redshirted his first year and then he started all 12 games at, oh, I have it at right tackle here. Did he play right tackle? No, Fane played right tackle. Yeah, he played left tackle. Okay, I just had that incorrectly on there.

He looks like an NFL offensive tackle. Adequate frame, adequate arm length, really good mover for zone blocking schemes. You know what I love a lot about Lomu? Two things, one, finisher's mentality. When he got you between the shoulders, I mean, he was putting you on the ground. And then another thing I loved about him

to highlight his athleticism and why I'm betting on him, when he was used as a puller, the accuracy that he had to line these guys up, so few, if any, whiffs I saw at all with him as a puller. Yes. He was fantastic, really good core strength to him, really good eyes for where pressure is coming from. Like I watched him even as a redshirt freshman sort of like watch, okay, late blitzes. Here's potential for this linebacker to come at this spot or this safety to maybe come downhill.

This is where, okay, I'm feeling a stunt or a blitz. Here's when the looper is coming over. Just already a really good baseline and eyes for awareness of where pressure is coming from. He, I thought showed a really good understanding already as well of how to play the position at a high level. For example, like if a bowl rusher, if somebody who is trying to go straight through his chest,

trying to get their arms, he noticed that like if they were a little too ahead of their skis, if they dipped their head a little bit at all whatsoever, he was snatching them down. He'd, he'd grab them in the chest and he would throw them down to the ground and use their weight and their momentum against them. Remember, sometimes we talked about how a common anchoring technique can be. You're trying to redirect their momentum upwards. Well,

if they're a little too over their skis, you just throw them to the ground. You just go like, all right, well now you're going this way. Now you're going south buddy. So I thought that he did a really good job of understanding that already. Um, the thing I think the aiming points are literally inconsistent for him. I think he's sometimes a tad early to want to dictate that contact and fire his hands in there. And I think he needs another good 10 pounds of strength, at least on him.

But what a great athlete, well coordinated athlete. If that's what we get as a red shirt sophomore or a red shirt freshman. Crazy. Dude, this guy could absolutely be a starting offensive tackle in the NFL. Ton of potential here. Just so impressed with how he keeps his hands fighting

and doesn't resort to holdings for a young, slightly underdeveloped from a physical standpoint player going against guys a lot older than him. That was so impressive to me. Love his athleticism and outside zone. You know, don't wanna see him lean as much over his toes. Trust your strength, get stronger in general, develop even more core strength,

but this tackle duo is phenomenal. Yep. Kaden Proctor. Let's sit on Kaden Proctor really quick because both of us have him as OT3. Kaden Proctor, Jr. at Alabama. This is his first year as a draft eligible player. This is the early meat fabric player of this class. Six foot seven, 360 pounds, 83rd percentile and 98th percentile for the offensive tackle position. He was a five star recruit in that 2023 recruiting class. He was the number five overall prospect according to 247. He won the Anthony Munoz award,

which is given annually to the best offensive lineman in high school as a senior, during his senior season in high school, committed to Alabama, played and started 13 games, the true freshmen at left tackle. And then he played and started in 11 games again last season, just an absolute behemoth of a human. I mean, he, he is so tough just naturally to get around because of the mass that

he has. I actually think his weight is pretty well distributed for having such a high number at three 60. You mentioned Mackay Beckton is sort of the comp that he has. I actually think his weight is pretty well distributed for having such a high number at 360. You mentioned Mackay Bekton is sort of the comp and that kind of is it, right? I mean, like that's the sort of player that we're talking about here. There's not a lot of guys like this.

No, no, and Bekton was light on his toes in past pro for having a lighter size. I think that the Kaden Proctor is as well. I think he's got good hand technique, imposing upper body strength. All of that is there for him, I just think. Naturally, you know, he's just not gonna win a lot of length battles with his arm length.

And I think that he just might be an interior offensive lineman. But what'd you think about Kaden Proctor having him at number three as well? Yeah, a lot of highs and lows with Kaden Proctor. I mean, this is a former five-star recruit that's been a two-year starter. It's impressive that he's been Alabama's starting left tackle since his true freshman season.

You brought up the thickness. I for his size, there's initial explosiveness into his pass sets where I was like, damn, you don't see a lot of guys kind of get going like that at 360. The vision and awareness to me is impressive for such a young player. I think he's a smart player. And then when they have him dry blocking the run game, you're talking about watching an offensive line that had, you know, him and Tyler Booker, Jane Roberts. It's like, like it's Alabama. They can move people off the line of scrimmage with pure mass size power. Technically, Trevor,

I thought there was a long way to go in a lot of different areas. He wins a lot by just being bigger. That's it. I think his hands are constantly wide or high. Constantly. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You know, it's like I missed and now I'm grabbing the face mask. I'm holding the face mask. I have to readjust or I'm around the shoulder pads Which causes him to lose control throughout the play. I was

Disappointed by his anchor. I know that sounds nuts, but I Saw him get really I saw him get moved back into the pocket I guess it's unfair to him because you look at him and Know how strong he is that when he does Lose the anchor strength. You're like, how did that happen? Well, it's cuz he loses leverage and that's exactly He's gonna lose leverage now every strength. It is leverage It's either pad level or wide hands and when he loses leverage There's a couple of times where he gets thrown back to the pocket

You brought up the weight and I think he carries it. Well. I think he's just naturally a very, very gigantic human. I did think fourth quarter stamina was an issue at times. Okay, okay. Where I'm like, is that, I didn't note that, but I could see it. Is that cause you're 360 pounds? If you were 340, do you have a little bit of that gear in the fourth quarter?

I don't know. Alabama knows that, he knows that, maybe it's something that improves. And I wanna be very fair to Proctor here, who's Tackle three for us, it's phenomenal. In his going into his true junior season in the world where everybody's playing college football for six years. And this guy shows up basically as a high schooler

and starts at left tackle for Alabama. This was something that I constantly gave Kelvin Banks credit for. Being a true starter at left tackle as a true freshman for Texas. You deserve all the credit in the world for that. And Maui Goa, who we just talked about, is somebody that has started on the offensive line

since his true freshman season at such a young age. That is remarkable. That's why you rank a guy at three like this. You give a little bit more grace for their shortcomings because you believe in development. I just wonder if 345 or 340 will help him. Better spot. Better stamina.

You brought this up. The coordination and leverage when he has to block on the move, it's just not consistent right now because of his size. He is a downhill blocker. Downhill, drive blocker. Now, let's caveat a lot of the things I just said. He played through a shoulder injury in almost all of 2024

and reportedly had surgery after the season. I believe he suffered the shoulder injury week one. So the fact that he played the entire season with it and did need some form of a surgery after the year, that's a big deal at all offensive linemen. So maybe that's another thing that helps Proctor become even better for a guy that's already very promising. Yeah, I mean, he physically gifted player,

like I said, he's just a behemoth of an offensive lineman. Alabama does sometimes have their guys just a really high weight. And obviously that was in the saving program before and now DeBoer is obviously gonna be a little bit different. We're talking about different programs here, but I thought the same thing with J.C. Latham where it was like, all right, well,

I think Latham's kind of carrying more weight than he needs to to play well at that position. And I wonder if that's the same case with Proctor. If Proctor's gonna stick at offensive tackle, it really might be him losing a little bit of weight. But if he's sticking it, if you're putting him inside, then you could play him at 350, 360. And I think that he'll be fine.

And I think that a lot of the length issues that he might have might be mitigated, especially if he's in that like power run blocking scheme. So ended up having him OT3 as well, same as you, which I believe unless there is a mystery player that you watched that I didn't and you're just straight wrong on Spencer Fano from Utah, but I have more faith in you for that.

I have Spencer Fano as offensive tackle number one. Do you as well? I do as well. Okay, all right. So Spencer Fano. So our number two is the same as well. We just skipped number two. No, I had Maui Goa as number two. the same as well. We just skipped number two. No, I had a Maui Goa as number two.

Who's your two? Isaiah World. Oh, whoa, I miscounted there. You have Isaiah World at two. Yes. This is our Mason Thomas but flipped. You don't have him in the top 10. No, no.

Oh wow, okay. I'll run through World's quickly and then we'll get to the number one guy. You got him in number two so I don't want to be a Debbie Downer yet. You talk to us about why he's good. Isaiah World transferred from Nevada to Oregon. He was a three year starter for Nevada.

35 games across the last three seasons. He is 6'5 and a quarter, 321 pounds, he's got 34 and a half inch arms. Really, really nice build on Isaiah World. He is, he's got this long athletic build. Yeah, I'll say the, like I'll just kill all the notes and just say the synopsis first.

Some shades of Olu Fashionu with Isaiah World. Not there yet. Olu was pretty special. He was one of my favorite tackle prospects I've ever watched. I'm not gonna put Isaiah World in that bucket yet. But there are definitely some shades, style-wise, with Isaiah World. He is patient and calculated with his hands

and pass protection. He absorbs contact pretty naturally that allows him to reset his body and react to counter moves. And that was wildly impressive to me. When rushers tried to cross his face, that lower half just glides. A lot of guys, it's like, fuck.

It's like a panic. With fuck, it's like a panic. With him, it's just a natural sway inside to cut him off. Sure, yeah. The one sack he was credited for allowing last year, his quarterback just ran into the pass rusher. Like just ran right into him. So I don't truly believe he allowed a sack last year. And in the run game, this is somebody that he flies out of the gate

and gets going in a hurry. Oh, he's an athlete. This is an athlete. And this is, if you're wondering if history is repeating itself here, you know how much I loved Josh Connerly last summer. Loved Josh Connerly. I saw even more promise, I think, in Isaiah World,

because he's more physically developed. He's played 35 games of college football already. He's 321 pounds. He's got long arms. Now, some of the weaknesses, the most biggest question, how is he gonna handle this step up in competition after transferring? Because there's no way around it.

This is a extraordinary step up in competition for transferring. There's no way around it. This is an extraordinary step up in competition for him at a program where expectations are to win the national title. The second thing, this kind of goes back to Olu, he just doesn't consistently sustain his blocks in the run game. And there's only flashes, but I just want him to play with an edge all the time. But I just don't think a lot of guys can do what he can athletically as a pass protector, and that matters so much to me.

Yeah, look, he is a really nice athlete. And early shades of Brandon Parker, you remember Brandon Parker? Like Brandon Parker, really good athlete, those long arms. But I hated him as a prospect. So, so this is why- Johnny just jump scared me. This is why we're so different on this player because I can see a lot of the positives

that you're talking about here, athletically. Again, like I talked about betting on athletes like with Caleb Lomu and like guys like that and Blake Miller, right? Like those are my athletes that I'm kind of betting on. Isaiah World, especially with that arm length, I understand, I actually think that he plays a pretty aggressive style. Like you could like he takes he takes pride in this like he he he wants to

not just beat but sometimes embarrass the players that he's going up against. I am excited to see him at Oregon but the thing that I need to see so much more of him is he has to play with greater discipline. 32 penalties over the last three years. 24 of them were accepted, 11 of them were holding, four of them were unsportsmanlike conduct or unnecessary rough. He's got that dog in him, dude. He does.

It's his world. He does, but like, some of the- Dude, he's a WWE character out there. Kinda, he's kinda the third Dudley Boy. Dude, watch the plays. There's a play where he tried to give somebody the pedigree. I swear to God. I've seen it.

I've seen the play. I've seen the play. And instead he's just, he's Halo 2 teabagging somebody. He tried to give somebody the Triple H pedigree. I swear to God. I'm pretty sure after he does it, I'm pretty sure he looks straight at the ref and he's like throw it throw the flag so look I can understand the allurement you know everybody likes a little you know Halo 3 you know going back and making

sure everybody knows that that you just got the better of and you just beat him down. Snatch, trap, pedigree. Basically is how it went. But I just, I can't have full faith in the guy that had 32 penalties over the last three years. And especially, it's not like it's progressively getting better.

He had eight last year. So that's just, it's a massive worry for progressively getting better. He had eight last year, you know, so like that's just it's a massive worry for me Especially because a lot of them are you mentioned sustaining the blocks when he doesn't sustain the block He doesn't let go and it's like okay, you know sometimes I guess like maybe it's a little strategic because like you got to get away with a little bit of holding but like some of them are just some of them are so blatant and with a little bit of holding, but like some of them are just, some of them are so blatant. And I just have to see a more disciplined player when he was at Oregon. The movement skills, the arm length, great. I just, I get, I got really scared at just how undisciplined he has been over

the last three seasons. That is extremely fair. And it's something that hopefully, you know, organs coaching is obviously on him about and yeah, it's gonna be fascinating to watch. I just think he's so talented. I really do. He is he is he is our our Mason Thomas. Yeah, you know, it is just beautiful that we've never disagreed that much. The way that we did with our Mason Thomas and where I had him at two and you had him at 16 last week. And that was the most we'd ever disagreed on a prospect. And now a week later-

We're letting it back. You have Isaiah World at two and I have him at 13 going into the season. Dude, it's good content. It is. Maybe it's a sign that the podcast is going to be no more soon. We're losing Ryan. Now we don't even agree with each other anymore. I really wanted to during the Ryan aspect make a joke like when you were teeing it up

like, yep, the show's over. But I think it's just at the point where people don't find that funny anymore. Yeah, hopefully. Hopefully not. We're not going anywhere, folks. Neither is Spencer Fano as one of the top offensive tackles in this class. My God. Carnage. Yeah, dude. 93.0 run blocking grade last season, and that's with him being listed at 302 pounds. You talk about a guy who wins with leverage. He's winning with leverage at all times. He is low. The base is wide. It's loaded. He's got a super low pad level. And when that ball is snapped and it is a run blocking play, whether it is inside zone, whether it is duo, whether he is a puller, whether it is mid zone or outside zone. He has he is a heat seeking

missile and he is looking to put your ass on the ground. I just love the way that he plays the position. Such a great mentality. He is only a true junior going into this season. Listen to this man. Do you see the family background of this guy, the athletes? Four uncles that played in the NFL. Four uncles? Who's got that many uncles first and foremost? That was number one. Played in the NFL? His sister plays basketball at Utah Valley.

His brother Logan's a sophomore offensive lineman at Utah. I mean, this is just an incredibly athletic family that he is coming from started at left tackle as a true freshman in 2023 started again, and then he started at right tackle in 2024. So he's got left tackle and right tackle versatility. vice grips for hands, man, if whether he is on the runner, whether he is going downhill, when he fires off the ball coming in low with leverage, the hands are low and then they are firing up inside. When he gets his hands up

and into your chest, there came a point, the second or third game that I was watching of him, where once the hands fired inside, I went, all right, it's over. You win. Like there's nobody's going to do anything about where he is taking you. The offensive lineman loved the phrase, moving a man from point A to point B against their will. Spencer Fano did that better than any offensive lineman that I watched in this class. And again, he did it at 302 pounds. It's nuts, it's totally nuts.

This guy's got the frame to put on more weight, more strength, which you love to see. But you know what I really liked the most about him is that yes, his run blocking grades were excellent and I love what he was as a run blocker. He has got lightning quick feet in pass pro. Lightning quick feet in pass pro. Like he can fire off the ball in pass protection

just as fast as he does when he knows that he's gonna get the chance to run through somebody in run blocking. I think this is an all around offensive tackle. He's light on the scale and you see that a little bit with him and sort of how he plays, especially in pass protection, he needs to get a little bit better there.

A negative that I saw in pass pro is that he can overset a little bit on his kick slides. I wrote that down, yeah. He exposes the inside shoulder a little bit too his kick slides. I wrote that down. Yeah. He exposes the inside shoulder a little bit too much, but brother, that's an anticipation thing. I mean, again, he's a true junior going into this season. So you give me, you give me, you give me 10 more pounds on this dude and his teammate,

Caleb Lomu. And like I said, we very well could have OT one and OT two in this class, both playing in Utah this year. Yeah. Incredible watch. I think you highlighted the strengths really, really well. It's just, he's like a bull at the line of scrimmage. The knockback power, it's, I don't,

I didn't even care that he's 302 because he just plays with so much strength. He don't play like it. No, and he'll come into the combine with more weight on him and it'll be fine. And he blocks through the whistle, the legs drive, the hands are in attack mode, stall speed to power, because he understands leverage and hand placement.

Love the starting experience at both tackle spots. Yeah, the one thing I'd run down, he got beat inside a few times because he over said, and you know, a spin move and guys crossing his face, but you know, don't over set, trust that outside arm, you're too damn good. And there's no excess weight on this guy. Everything's really, really clean

and he just looks very comfortable in all of his movements. There's no scheme that he can't operate in at an extremely high level. He's just an absolute game wrecker in any run scheme. Yeah, Spencer Fano, the NFL Stock Exchange tackle one going into the season. Yep, there we go. Okay, so my top 10 tackles that I have going into

the season, Cage Casey from Boise State that I have going into the season. Cage Casey from Boise State, I got him at number 10. Jude Bowery from Boston College at number nine. Caleb Tierman from Northwestern at number eight. Austin Barber from Florida at number seven. Blake Miller from Clemson at number six. Charles Jagusaw from Notre Dame at number five. At number four, Caleb Lomu from Utah.

Number three, Kaden Proctor from Alabama. Number two, Francis Mawigoa from Miami and then Spencer Fano at number one. Connor, what's your top 10? 10 for me is Arizona State's Max E. Honachor. Number nine for me is the transfer from Rice to Ohio State, Ethan Oneonwa. Number eight for me is Caleb Lomu,

the left tackle at Utah that we really, really like. Seven is Notre Dame's right tackle, Emile Wagner. Six was Northwestern's Caleb Tierman. Number five, Francis Maigoa from Miami. Four, Xavier Chaplin now at Auburn. Number three, Kayden Proctor at Alabama. Number two, Isaiah World, who transferred to Oregon from Nevada. And number one, consensus for us,

Spencer Fanno, Utah's right tackle. So there were a couple of players that I watched in the tackle group that I then categorized as interior offensive lineman. I'll just shout them out really quickly because I don't think we'll have enough time for a summer scouting interior offensive lineman episode. We could talk about them more

when we do the big board episode. But Trey Zune from Tech's A&M I actually think that he is he is gonna be a better guard did you watch Jennings Dunker from Iowa I did watch Jennings Dunker and he is a guard all day he is actually and a damn good one man he will he will be let me check my notes on something so Trevor actually thought he might be a center. Fine, don't care. Put him on the inside, put him at guard,

put him at center, whatever. I think that dude's awesome. I think that he comes off the ball with bad intentions, man. You talk about a guy who's gonna run through your face as a run blocker. I wrote grizzly bear run blocker. Dude, and it's when you have a, okay,

so when you have a grizzly bear run blocker, a lot of times you go, oh, okay, you know, like a power blocker, some man. No, he flies. Bro, he flies? Grizzly bears are not slow. That's true, that's very true. Let me emphasize this.

Do respect the grizzly bears, do respect. They are not slow. They can try in outside zone. They can kick out and get to the outside. He is, I mean, it's either him or Spencer Fano for the best outside zone blocking offensive lineman that I watched for this exercise. He's awesome. So I wanted to shout him out, made sure that I shouted him out there.

You had him potentially as a center. Funny enough, did you watch Carter Smith from Indiana? I did not. So I watched him. He is the left tackle for Indiana. He's played left tackle the last two years for Indiana. And I would assume he's going to play left tackle again for them this year.

I think he's got the measurables for an interior offensive lineman. I actually think he's got the build and movement skills. I'd love to see him at center. So he was the one guy that I moved from the tackle group actually to center. Let's see, who are the other guys? Ernest Green, the third from Georgia.

You watched him. He's a left tackle. I think that he is a guard, but I do think that he could be a pretty dang good guard. And then Brian Parker from Duke is the other one who he is their right tackle. I don't know if he's going to play left tackle this year, but he's played right tackle for them,

played right tackle for them last year. I don't think he's got the length of the foot speed to play tackle, so I've got him in a guard. One more, Penn State's Drew Shelton. I think it will be better at guard. That's one more. He started all last year at left tackle. I like his projection to guard,

although he'll get a shot at tackle. There we go. We would love to hear from you guys. Let us know what you thought of our takes here for this interior offense, or this offensive tackle class. Give us your rankings. We've loved seeing you guys' rankings in the comment section throughout summer scouting.

We would love to see it again for anybody that's big into the trenches, loves the trench guys, and has already got some takes and opinions on that. Or of course you can give us your takes on our takes. That's how that goes around here. Hit us up on Twitter and Instagram as well, at tamuabaytray, at Connor J. Rogers. You can also follow the show at NFLSE show, basically everywhere, Twitter, Instagram, TikTok as well. Make sure you guys are doing that.

Non-stop, non-stop, thank you, Ryan's, in the chat. I would love to see that for people in the comments section. It's such a bummer that this is the last episode that Ryan's doing, but he's just, he's done such an incredible job. And him, you know, having a summer scouting episode is one of the last episodes I feel like is very poetic because it's, I feel like it's what the show is built on. And the show is definitely built on Ryan and his hard work and his dedication, his creativity. So would love to just see Ryan get his flowers in the comments from anybody that made it towards the end of the episode. We would love to see that from you guys there. Connor, anything else before we get out of here?

Huge thank you to Ryan. He's such an integral, massive part of the success of this show. We're going to miss him a lot, but we are beyond excited for him because I think he's walking into a dream job scenario that, you know, the guy lives golf and he's going to be a huge asset for them. If they. They obviously know that because they hired him and I'm sure he was wildly competitive for that role, but I think they're even not even sure how great he's gonna be for them. So thank you to Ryan and we keep things rolling, man.

We're gonna do cornerbacks next. So we're gonna make sure that we hit corners. Corner's the next position that we're gonna do because it's sort of that next premium position, like we said. With us kind of getting a new producer in the fold and me going on my honeymoon it's going to be a little bit of a weird schedule I think until probably like mid-august till we get back on track there but we want to at least do the premium positions next so we're doing we'll do

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