NFL Stock Exchange: An NFL Draft Podcast - Early QB Rankings for 2025 NFL Draft

Episode Date: December 24, 2024

0:00 - Intro 5:45 - QBs going back to school 12:15 - Dillon Gabriel, Oregon 22:20 - 10-6 rankings 29:20 - Tyler Shough, Louisville 33:55 - Kurtis Rourke, Indiana 37:15 - Max Brosmer, Minnesota 41:40 - Kyle McCord, Syracuse 51:45 - Quinn Ewers, Texas 1:03:35 - Carson Beck, Georgia 1:10:05 - Riley Leonard, Notre Dame 1:18:35 - Jaxson Dart, Ole Miss 1:30:30 - Will Howard, Ohio State 1:39:05 - Jalen Milroe, Alabama 1:46:20 - Cam Ward, Miami 1:55:30 - Shedeur Sanders, Colorado

Welcome to the opening bell of the NFL Stock Exchange podcast. I'm Trevor Sikama, that's Connor Rogers joining you for another early prospect ranking episode. Today, we're talking about the quarterback position. We did wide receivers last week. So in case you missed it, go check it out. We know y'all got takes on wide receivers, so we would love to hear it from you. And today we're doing quarterbacks. So as hit, you didn't have enough takes on wide receivers. We know you got takes on quarterbacks.

Oh, yeah. We know you got takes on quarterbacks. So I'm excited to talk about this class here with you. You know, the whole time people have sort of built it up as, well, bad quarterback class. And even though it doesn't have the studs at the top that say the 2023 nfl draft class or 2024 nfl draft class did there are still some intriguing players guys who i do think can be starters at the next level connor i'm sure you agree with me as we'll

get into it it might not be as cut and dry easy to project as last year's class was but it is going to make for some interesting conversations how you doing you doing, my friend? I'm good. I thought you were going to say, and they were right. But no, in all seriousness. The haters didn't believe in this class. They thought it was trash. They think it's terrible. They're all unplayable.

And honestly, congrats to the haters. You were correct. Congrats. Shout out to the haters. You win this time. In all seriousness, it's a class where there's developmental guys there are and i mean true developmental guys not guys that you go i'd love them to sit for a year like drake may that was the the like the love you know the catchy line with drake may i'd really love drake may to

sit for a year yeah i bet your ass you would yeah yeah i bet you freaking would so there's developmental guys there's a big chunk of guys that they just profile as backup quarterbacks in the NFL, which matters a lot. Like you check out what backup quarterbacks are being paid right now around the NFL. Finding one on day three of the draft is a financial win if you're an NFL GM. So that matters a lot.

And then, of course, there's going to be the big combo with the guys at the top because that's just every quarterback class. And the combo this year is really, really interesting and polarizing. But it was really good exercise, Trevor, to dive into the tape of the guys we haven't talked about yet.

A lot of them have accepted all-star invites to both Senior Bowl and Shrine. So for me, I got to look at a couple guys for the first time that I didn't watch over summer scouting. And there was a couple of nice surprises wrinkled in here. Yeah, because here's the thing. Even though we have a quarterback class where, like I said, it's not as easy to project them as sure thing NFL starters,

there are too many teams around the NFL every single year that cycle through quarterbacks or in situations where they'd like to get new guys in there and try something new. And the fact of the matter is, is that there are going to be players in this class who are going to get that shot. So whether or not we think they might be, you know, worthy of it right off the bat is kind of, you know, futile because these guys are going to get their shot at the NFL level because all these teams are so desperate to try to hit it at quarterback. And there are a handful of guys that at least present you starting caliber ceiling. Now the floor might be lower than you want it to. And maybe the truth is somewhere in the middle of where they might land. But again, it's going to make for some fun conversations.

And I think the, my guys in this quarterback class are going to be a lot of fun, not just here on this show, but you know, we're going to get some of our favorite draft analysts here on this show throughout the new year as we get closer to the draft. And that's going to be the part that's going to be a lot of fun. So what we're going to do here on this show is we're going to give you our early top 10s. So we had summer scouting that we did this past summer,

obviously, and we gave you our... We do top 8s? We have top 8s, top 5s for the quarterback position? I can't remember what number we did, but... I thought we did 10. Did we do 10? We watched a lot of quarterbacks this summer. Man, we are sick in the head.

I mean, we are absolutely insane. We came back four weeks after the draft was over and ranked 10 quarterbacks in this class? Yeah, that is, like, actually deranged. Like, you should be locked up and put in a home level. Well, here we are again, locked up, put in a home, and we're doing the top tens once again. We're recording this on Christmas Day.

We are not with our families. No, I'm just kidding. Don't put it against us. All right, so let's do, what do you want to do for it? You want to go 10 through six and then sort of dive deep into the top five? Yeah, and talk about them as a group. Okay, all right.

We can do that there. So I'll let you kick it off. I have no idea what your top 10 is. Obviously, I know somewhat of what you thought of these quarterbacks from summer scouting and how we've talked about them a little bit throughout mock draft exercises and sort of throughout the season. But in terms of expanding this bad boy all the way to a ranking of 10 i don't know where we're at here so uh this podcast could be a lot of fun

depending on how much we disagree but i'll let you start go 10 through 6 give me a little synopsis of each of the guys and then we'll have a little combo about it so for those that are diving in and they haven't really you know listened to us or draft content yet a couple of caveats if you have missed it because Trevor and I talked through this before the pod there's a couple guys that are expected to transfer or go back to school or and things could always change and that's why there will be a final quarterback ranking show from us this isn't the last one for this trap right drew Aller from Penn State who would be a heavy hitter in this class he's expected to go back to school as we record today uh as we sat down to record here, Trevor,

the NCAA is working through a waiver right now to permit athletes who attended and competed at a non-NCAA school for one or more years to remain eligible for 2025 and 2026. So there are going to be some guys that might have played a Juco that can get a sixth year. It's a very messy environment. They're all just going to be doctors. All right. They're all going to be doctors.

They're all going to have their master's degree. Dual degrees. This is what we're going to talk about here. An older quarterback prospect at this, like at this rate is going to be 27. And like a regular quarterback prospect is going to be 25. It really feels like the quarterback age per class is going to go up with all of this different extra eligibility years. So, and there's a couple of guys that are still working through decisions

and everything. So as it stands, Hey, but I was going to say before we, before we get into the top 10, you brought up a really good point. So drew Aller, we think you have a couple other key names, Garrett Nussmeier announced that he's going back to school. Yes, you have a couple other key names. Garrett Nussmeier announced that he's going back to school. He would have been a very notable name in this class. 100%. And then you got some guys a little bit further down the list, like Jalen Daniels from Kansas going back to school.

Noah Fafita is going back to school. Miller Moss going back to school. Well, transferring. Jalen Daniels is staying at kansas i actually don't know if a feed is transferring or he just went back but i think he's gonna transfer but once again these are very fluid so too uh miller moss is transferring there's so i watched kade clubnick from clemson i think he's gonna go back to school okay i i really do um i think he's going to go back to school. Okay. I really do. I think he's going to go back to school.

It feels like he's going to go back to school. Dabo's sort of been talking as if he's going to go back to school. Now, obviously, Dabo's the head coach, so he's trying to salesman his team up to keep as many good players as he can. So he certainly doesn't want Klubnik to leave. But even just after watching him, he played better this year. He could absolutely use another year. So if guys like Drew Aller and Garrett Nussmeyer return to school, I got to think that Cade Klubnick is probably going to return to school.

Diego Pavia had an unbelievable year for Vanderbilt. And what you were just talking about, sort of that NCAA ruling or trending towards these guys who didn't play for NCAA schools because Pavia played for a JUCO before he ended up going to New Mexico State, which then he transferred over to Vanderbilt. If Pavia gets an extra year, I think that he'll be in this group. I didn't watch him for this exercise because I have no idea what's happening with that whole situation. And there's a couple of other players that we will talk about here in this class that, okay, it hasn't been decided one way or another whether they're coming back. But Drew Aller, Garrett Nussmeier, Miller Moss, Jalen Daniels, Noah Fafita,

all of those guys we know are going back to school, so they're not going to be on our list here. Okay, yes. That is very important to get out of the way because some people might be like, what about this guy? You talked about him over summer or I've heard this name in college football. We try to remember here that not everybody listening is, one, a college football fan or a 24-7, 365 draft fan.

So if you're deep in the weeds with us all the time, sorry that we got to get those caveats out of the way. Okay, drum roll. Just kidding. It's really not that crazy. 10 to 6. 10 for me is Dylan Gabriel of Oregon. He is one of those guys that's had a very long college career.

I would classify him as the ultimate point guard of this draft class. And I don't mean that as disrespect. I mean that as a compliment, Dylan Gabriel, compared to his physical abilities and how he's able to maximize them. Nine, and this is somebody that we're going to find out in the coming weeks what his future holds. Kyle McCord from Syracuse, formerly of Ohio State. He is actively right now, reportedly, trying to get one of those waivers

to come back and play another year for Syracuse. What argument does he have? I don't know. And the way he doesn't fall for those listening in the beginning he doesn't fall in that bucket of the you know former Juco like Kyle McCord was at Ohio State for a while and then Syracuse right and played and played football and played football so uh we will talk about Kyle McCord on this show today. He is QB nine for me right now. Okay. A guy that got a lot better after transferring to Syracuse and right now has accepted an

invite to shrine. If his waiver does not get accepted to go back to school. Number eight, Tyler Shuck from Louisville. All right. Senior bowl accepted invite. Going to be honest, outside of watching Ja'Cory Brooks' film this year, I hadn't watched any of this guy until this exercise. And he's been around college football for a very long time.

This is his third stop. Wildly impressive season compared to expectations coming into the year i'm excited for us to talk about him riley leonard at notre dame is seven somebody that i did talk a lot about on summer scouting and ironically i think i had riley leonard seventh during summer scouting as well so i'd love to see that consistency the name's all shuffled around him but he just kind of stayed right there he's the sun yes yeah yeah so he's there a nice warm blanket i wouldn't really describe his play like that but uh no i would not either six arguably the biggest mover is carson beck from georgia and uh And Carson Beck, you know,

came into the year for a lot of people as QB1, and he had a really tough season. Now he's hurt, which makes it even more difficult. But I'm sure we'll have one of our longest combos in this entire thing about Carson Beck. So yeah, my 10 through six was Dylan Gabriel, Kyle McCord, Tyler Shuck, Riley Leonard, Carson Beck. All right.

Shoot, I mean, I guess we could just start at 10 with Dylan Gabriel. I have him QB4. Wow. I have him a lot higher. And I think that to your point, now I will say this. I understand why you are lower on him i was very low on dylan gabriel when we went through summer scouting yeah the people who have used the mock draft simulator have seen dylan gabriel's name in the 200s of the rankings because going into the year i was just

like i don't i don't want to believe in this again you know like we were going through like we just got through the year of if bryce young can't do it at his size then it's hard it's just really hard for me to get invested in a player like that but when you watch what dylan gabriel has been this season it is so difficult not to want to buy in especially in a quarterback class that is not star-studded in last year's class is he a top five quarterback no probably not but i've got him qb4 in this class and honestly was very tempted to have him qb3 i'm going to be honest when when i get when i get to my qb3 eventually when we get up into the top five i'll sort of make the case for and against you know him being there him being at four and i'll

talk through all that but he is when, his film is so fun to watch. He is so accurate. He throws just such a catchable football. I mean, that spiral is tight, and it is right to the wide receiver's hands every single time. He knows how to recognize things in the pre-snap. He is fantastic at adjusting to things in the post-snap. He can go through all of his reads and progressions.

He navigates the pocket very well. He's got a little bit of escapability to him. He can throw on the run because of his size, which, well, where is he here? He is 5'11". Now, he's listed at 5'11", 204 pounds. That is Bryce Young's size. That is second percentile in height. That is sixth percentile in weight. And you don't even know. That's Bryce Young size. That is second percentile in height. That is sixth percentile in

weight. And you don't even know that's that's school listed stuff. So you don't even know if he is that tall or that big. It could be even smaller. Again, we're talking about a Bryce Young situation, but much like Bryce Young, there is just so much to love about what he does. The RPO, the play action game, all that is fantastic for him. The confidence in which he operates in the pocket, whether there's pressure or not, is fantastic. He does not panic at all whatsoever. He can go through all of his reads. He can go through primary reads, secondary reads, third reads, fourth reads, go to the backside of plays, even when it's a frontside play call. He can do all of those things very, very well. Now,

some of the detractors in his game, he doesn't have that natural arm strength because he's a lot smaller. So you'll see like that leg kick from him in his follow through because he's trying to get his whole body into it. He's a lefty, which not innately bad, but it is different. Like it is different for wide receivers.

They have to adjust to it. The spin of the ball is a little bit different visualizing it's a little bit different so all that goes into it but we'll love to hear what you think of dylan dylan gabriel but i'm buying into how good this guy is and i'm gonna be honest i didn't think that i was going to be here but after watching four full games of him with obviously the college football playoff game still yet to come, he plays this position so confidently

between the ears and his fundamentals are so damn clean. Somebody's going to give this dude a shot, I think. And I really do think that he would have the ability to take it and run with it in the league. He'll definitely get drafted. There's no denying that because he just there's too many productive years and his experience has molded him into a real prospect. Right. I mean, you're talking about multiple years starting at UCF, multiple years starting at Oklahoma and now the starter at Oregon, which is an incredible program. And I don't think a cupcake offense to come in and run. And he runs it with confidence.

And like you said, Trevor, he works through his progressions. He goes through multiple reads. What I love about him, he just constantly protects the football, but he's not playing scared. It's not like you're sitting there going like, oh my God, dude, throw the ball more than four yards down the field. But he just has almost a sixth sense of how to protect the football. Low turnover rate every year. 2024, think of the big games they played in. His turnover worthy play percentage is 1.7. The best way I can kind of frame that for people is like just picture 100

dropbacks. That's less than two out of those hundred dropbacks that you feel like he's putting the ball in harm's way. And that doesn't mean it was a pick or a fumble recovery. That just means there's a chance for a turnover. So really good protecting the football. I agree with you. They, he doesn't have the same arm strength that you're accustomed to seeing for an NFL quarterback prospect, but why it works with him. He is very extremely accurate in the intermediate, that 10 to 19 yard range at all three areas of the width of the field because he has elite timing and touch. So now it can be a dangerous way to live in the NFL and to put it in perspective, kind of think a two a little bit they beat you because

the ball is there on time and it's thrown accurately and it's laid in on the route perfectly rather than some guys that drop back and that'd be a second late oh but I could throw the ball 75 miles an hour in there so but there's no you can't Gabriel go well he's not gonna get away with that at the nfl level because he's done it now at a high level of college football for many many years the reason i haven't met 10 rather than in the top five like you it's just tough physically to project someone like this in my opinion as somebody starting quarterback early on in his career. There's not a lot of big time throws on tape, like these crazy high level NFL kind of throws.

He's not physically imposing. He's not a great runner. He's more of a crafty runner. He's a savvy runner in the red area, but I don't think he's this guy where you're opening up the playbook and going, God, we could do a lot of different reads with him where he can hold the ball and where he can kind of force a defender to respect him and kind of a force player. And he's not that kind of runner to me. So I just think with Gabriel, he is somebody that

I think at the NFL level, your offense might be a little limited because of what he is physically but if you need somebody to keep your boat above water and be a point guard and distribute to elite playmakers I think he could do that for you so I I'm like you I came into this year and I didn't think he was a draftable quarterback prospect a lot of people were angry in our summer scouting because they're Oregon fans they're like what about Gabriel And I think he's played his way into being like, I could see him kind of going. So Jordan Travis went in the fifth round last year. Think of him. Not great physical traits, but played a really high level of football from an intelligence standpoint.

Jordan Travis had a scary injury and he went in the fifth round. That was a way better quarterback class. So Dylan Gabriel, to me, would I be shocked if he goes to the top of the fourth round? That wouldn't shock me at all. I think he's, I think he's way better than Jordan Travis personally. Like Travis was very erratic in his throwing motion and his footwork, like how he put extra juice on the ball. Um, that was really erratic to me. And I didn't really trust that going to the NFL level, nothing to take away from Travis, who was obviously a great playmaker at Florida State and led that undefeated team.

But I like Dylan Gabriel's film more than I like the Jordan Travis, but I do think that's a good reference point for you to bring up. Gabriel had the best film of any quarterback that I watched in this class. That's my take. He had the best film of any quarterback that I watched in this class. Now, does that mean that he displayed NFL arm talent every single time? No, but how he played the quarterback position, this was the best film of any of the guys that I watched.

So it was hard to keep him further down my list because of how clean he played the game. And again, it's not like, I think people think of Oregon's offense and, you know, much like Bo Nix, much like I felt like I, I'm not saying this to like toot my own horn, I try to tell people that like Nix is not just some like Chip Kelly version of Oregon offense. Because I think when people think of Oregon, they think of Chip Kelly. Like they think of sort of this like gimmicky offense.

It's not real. It's not translatable at all. That's not really where Oregon is at this point in time. Dylan Gabriel is asked to go through progression. Yeah, some of the throws are obviously quick throws because the offense is set up to operate efficiently. Every offense has those. If the primary read is open, he's going to throw the damn ball. But he also displays going through progressions,

reading safeties, reading linebackers, reading coverages. He displays the ability to do that. So I like Dylan Gabriel a good amount in this class. I think that his floor is starting caliber at the NFL level. I hate that it's an easy comparison, but this is the Bryce Young conversation to me. It really is. And I hate to say that with every single small quarterback, but I think he is more fundamentally sound than a guy like Jordan Travis.

Um, and I think that he's, he is closer to like what Bryce Young was. And if this guy does not play with a lot of confidence, much like we saw with Bryce Young in his rookie year, he will not make it. He does not have the physical tools to be able to overcome being late, not anticipating the way that he needs to and not seeing the field correctly but when he

does just like we're seeing Bryce Young play with confidence now that's the same type of player that I can that I can buy into as somebody who can win some football games for you at the NFL level so yeah I have him at four I figured we'd just have a more extensive conversation there with him because I had him at four so and we didn't talk about him on summer scouting so this was the time to have that conversation yeah uh who okay read me nine through six uh kyle mccord yeah was nine okay tyler shuck was eight seven was riley leonard and six was carson beck so i have my 10 through 6 I have Curtis Rourke at 10 from Indiana I have Kyle McCord at 9 I have Quinn Ewers at 8 I have Carson Beck at 7 and I have Riley Leonard at 6 so okay so definitely some similarities what do you have what was okay so you had Curtis Rourke. Kyle McCord. At 10. Kyle McCord.

We both had McCord at nine. Yep. Quinn Ewers was eight. Carson Beck was seven. Ryla Leonard was six. Okay. So Beck and Leonard in this bracket for us both. And McCord.

Yep. So let's do this first. Give me your thoughts on Tyler Shuck, just a little bit more into what you talked there. And then I'll talk about Curtis Rourke. We can both talk about Kyle McCord. And I think a lot of the other guys will probably go back and forth on. I've just got them probably a little bit outside of my top five.

And I think you probably have yours in your top five. So, well, we could, yeah, we could talk about yours because I have them at five. And I flipped him and Beck quite a few times. Let's save him. Let's do Shuck first, and then I'll do Rourke first, and then we can move on. So Shuck, 6'4", 3 quarters. He's a large human.

And 230 pounds. He is like prototypical big NFL quarterback. Transferred from Louisville, previous stops at both Oregon and Texas Tech. This guy has played seven seasons of college football. Three at Oregon. And he's petitioning to still have three more years of eligibility, is the thing.

Thank God he is not. But yes, it does feel that way across college football right now. I want to make this very clear on the show. I'm not hating on any of the players who are trying to do this. No, we hate it. We hate it. Grow up and get a job like the rest of us. Figure it out in the adult world.

Once you're old enough to, what is it, rent an RV? Yeah, you rent a car at 25. Yeah, you rent a car at 25. Oh, not just an RV, a car. I don't think you can rent. Now, unless that was just like a myth, I don't think I tried to rent a car until I was 25, just because I was scared. You want to hear a funny story about that real quickly? Yeah. So hopefully it is a myth because it makes the story that much more funny. When I worked for Bleacher Report, there was a while where I used to travel

a lot for college football. And at this time, I lived in Hoboken. So I ditched my car after college when I moved to Hoboken. And I have a driver's license, people, and I drive a lot now. Wait, what was the car? I got to know. Is this your first car? First car? No, this was my second car, but it was the same kind of car as my first car. I wrecked my first car. Classic. Me too. Yeah, it happens.

What are you going to do? Be safe out there, people. Somebody hit me. I want to make this very clear. I had a Subaru Legacy. Great car. Nice. I could drive that thing for like 200,000 miles.

Good and bad weather. Nice. So when I left that and lived in hoboken for nine years and really never had to drive because i could take the subway and trains and ferry and everything everywhere it was just so easy um when i traveled for work i still didn't really feel like renting a car because it slows you down if there's anything you need to know about me traveling i don't want to be at the airport more than two seconds than i have to be. I had mastered this where I used to go to Newark Airport from Hoboken and I would arrive at the airport, go through clear, and I'd walk

up to my gate and boarding would start. It was a science to me. You and my fiance are cut from the same cloth in that regard. Meanwhile, my flight left at 9 15 this past sunday you've been there for four days i got to the airport well that's a different story i got to the airport at 6 15 a.m because well all right all right all right all right defended myself a little bit one i wanted to get there a little bit early because of holiday crowds. A little bit early. He could have beat Zelda Tears of the Kingdom while he was at the airport. But I also wanted to just watch a little QB film. So I got there like two hours early because I wanted to find my spot, park down, and watch some QB film.

So that was me. I like the airport i think that makes you i think that makes me weird because a lot because when you really think about it logistically you shouldn't want to spend more than whatever the exact amount of time that you have to spend in the airport in the airport yeah germs people being weird like vile humans are vile at the spend like it's obviously like eating at the airport's more expensive yeah like nine dollars for a water it's lack of lack of comfort all that like you shouldn't want to be at the airport but i don't know like i just love yeah you're an airport guy i'm an airport you you and my wife are exactly the same that's

when they say opposites attract like this is real folks you like we have to leave early for the airport i i do live on the edge in this area and it's a really bad habit i said i got to the point where i'd pack in the morning like i'd have my flight in the morning i'd be like oh that's just i pack when i wake up it was terrible way to live that is sick I was a real sick human I need to know is there anybody out there that packs the morning that you are going yeah when is your packing window I want to know that from the comments if it's not the night before yeah help it's it seems like a great idea at the time and then you wake up and you're just it's the

worst feeling ever so back to how we got here yeah i hated renting a car because i hate being at the airport and especially after the pandemic renting a car became horrendous so if somebody ever asked me like hey like you know you took like nine Ubers on this trip. Why don't you just rent a car? And I'd be like, I'm not 25. And I have no idea if that's a thing. But nobody ever asked me. They'd be like, oh, okay.

Oh, yeah, that makes sense. Yeah, that makes sense. All right, now I'm literally Googling. Yeah, this is a good time to find out if this is real. Can you rent a car if you're under 25? It might be a state-by-state law. Let's see what Google AI says. Yes, you can rent a car if you're under 25.

Yeah, but what do they know? Yeah, you're right. You're right. What do they know? Google're right you're right what do they know is a work in progress so so uh old enough to rent a car and i'm i'm not kidding he's 25 he's 25 years old he will turn 26 in september of his rookie. How he got here? Broken collarbone in 2021. Shoulder injury that ended 2022.

Broken fibula in 2023. He's got like the Pennix style list of injuries during a three-year run where you're like, man, this guy just, he's gone through it. The good news for him is that he got back on the field this year and he was really good for Louisville. Honestly, he was really good, especially compared to expectations. He threw for over 3,100 yards. He threw 23 touchdowns to only six interceptions, only seven turnover worthy plays. How about 20 big time throws? That's a lot of like special kind of throws. He has a huge arm. There's a throw.

So I started definitely with a cupcake game for him, but I wanted to, I first game I watched was against Jacksonville state. That was week two. He throws a pass 55 yards, air yards. And it's a rope. Like this thing just travels like a nerf ball.

And I was like, okay, like physically this guy, he has the arm that you expect when a guy is 6'5 230 and now keep in mind he in my opinion is a true pocket passer there's a couple times where he could scramble and throw on the run because he's just so his arm is so strong but you're not he's not a silky twitchy short area quickness kind of runner he's just not he's not a silky, twitchy, short area quickness kind of runner. He's not going to run for you. But he's got a big arm.

He's got a gunslinger mindset. I think when he gets pressured, he has zero fear of throwing it up there. Like, ah, my receiver's down there. Let's give him a play. It could hurt him at times. It could help him at times. What I do like about him on specifically from this offense, he got some experience running play action from under center in Louisville's offense.

And when you watch a lot of these guys, they don't get a lot of experience under center in these college offenses. No, no, they don't. And I thought the reps I got to watch of him under center off play action. He looked very comfortable and he's got a really strong arm. So when you get the linebackers to step up or the safety to freeze, this is somebody that can kind of drive the ball from a very dense base and throw it really fast and accurately.

So Tyler Shuck for me was the surprise watch of this entire draft. And I get like I have him at qb8 i get he's going to be nitpicked through the process because he's got a long list of injuries he's very old as a prospect but i'm really happy he got a senior bowl invite because i think in that setting people will be wildly impressed with how he throws the ball i think i so i have him at 13 and i did see him pretty similarly to the way that you did there's one thing that i i think that he has to clean up he fades away on passes way too much and and if he's like the trip may thing yeah a little bit but man i felt like i even saw it more

with chuck than i did with drake may just Just even clean pockets where obviously it makes sense. Like some of these guys, like Bo Nix did this a little bit too. You know, if you got a guy coming in your face and boss, if you got a guy who's running straight for you for a sack, if you're trying to throw the ball before he gets there, you're kind of doing this, you know, turn thing. Cause you're trying to like protect your body, right? You want to brace for the hit, whatever.

So, you know, turning and fading away and throwing off your back foot, I can understand those situations, but he did that a lot. And he did that like, like preemptively, like before he even needed to do it. There are some times where I'm watching him do it and he's got a clean pocket.

It's just how he's doing things. Now going through the injuries, having a collarbone injury in particular, like I think that might go into it for him, but he can't be fading away from these passes. Even with, he gets away with it now because his arm's strong enough to do it. The NFL level, it will not be the case.

Those passes will get picked off too often. So that is the one area where when we go to the Senior Bowl, I don't want to see him, I don't want to see him do that. I want to see him break that habit, be more tall in the pocket, be willing to stand up a little bit more in the pocket, especially knowing that you're really not going to take hits in practice. Let's see you step up and really fire those throws in there,

and I think you could have some good reps there. So, yeah, I think it's a good explanation of kind of who Tyler Shuck is, but I'm a little bit lower on him just because of that bad habit that if it does not get better, that could be a killer in my opinion. Yep. Curtis Rourke is 10 for me. The Indiana quarterback. So he is also an older prospect.

He is a sixth year guy. He started for four years, five years when he was at. No, he started for four years, but he also had a redshirt year in 2019. This was at Ohio. So he is from Canada. Led his high school team to a Halton championship in 2017, which is sort of like a regional, you know, not quite at state, but sort of like a regional championship there in high school. So he won a championship in 2017, was the runner up in 2018. His first year when he was at

Ohio, that's in 2019, he redshirted that season. They had a COVID adjusted season, which he started all three games that they played in. And then he started 10 games the year after 11 games, the year after 12 year games, the year after transferred over to Indiana this year. And I thought he played really well at Indiana this past season. I thought it was his best year yet. And I mean, even his, I think his sophomore year when he was at Ohio, he graded out pretty well, had a thing at 90.2 overall grade, a really good passion performance. The next two years weren't as strong. That's why he ended up transferring instead of going to the draft. But another guy, adequate NFL size, 6'4", 230 pounds. It's 83rd percentile and 79th percentile.

So a big dude, stands very tall in the pocket, a true pocket type of a quarterback. Not a lot of mobility on this guy, but somebody who is a smooth fundamentally sound passer and something that I really liked about Rourke he is not just this big quarterback with a big arm in fact I was actually kind of surprised at how I think his arms a little bit more limited I agree with you I thought he'd have more juice on his passes being his size, but I think it's adequate enough for the NFL level, especially for as big as he is.

But the way that he makes up for it is I think he's one of the better touch passers in the class. He's really nice at putting just the right amount of air underneath it for these wide receivers, whether it's a horizontal route, a vertical route, just dropping it in the bucket. And I was really impressed with the touch passes in his game. That leads to some excellent ball placement throws, not just accurate throws, true ball placement throws.

So he's slow moving out of the pocket. You see a high sack rate because of it. He's almost at a 5% sack rate, although it is a little bit lower. I guess I got to give him a little bit of credit there for being as you know immobile as he is he's still getting the ball out decently well the back shoulder throws have good placement on them but they take a little bit longer to get there they're a little bit more looping it's not those frozen rope passes so to me I really like a lot of the way that he played this season I know it wasn't a great showing against Notre Dame and that's not great,

but I felt like he was fighting through injury long season for him. I love the way that he throws the ball with as much touch as he does, but it is a little bit of a illusion of a watch to see a player who is as big as he is not really be able to hand and passes in there. So the accuracy and the arm strength is adequate, but to me it's really those touch passes that are a plus of curtis rourke's game yeah i think you nailed it rourke for me so you had him at 10 right i did yep yeah so he would probably be at 12 for me uh because i would also have max brosmer probably at 11 and it was really tough to kind of dissect between the two of them brosmer

is also right behind curtis rourke for me he is right outside of my top 10 he's number 11 he's that next guy in there from minnesota right so uh yeah i didn't think i'd like brosmer as much as i did well we were joking before the podcast brosmer is the point guard in a sense of everything Dylan Gabriel does. And he just doesn't, it's obviously not as high level of a program in terms of the national stage, but he's another transfer player that just does all the little things the right way in commanding his offense. He's a guy that I really wish had one more year of eligibility to get a

little bit more pub. Yep. Dude is a, he was a zero star recruiter to high school ended up going to New Hampshire played in New Hampshire basically like sophomore year on well he tore his ACL in 2021 I believe uh and then like from that point on started both 2022 and 2023 played really well transfers over to Minnesota and I agree with you like super crisp footwork in his drops he can play under center in minnesota's offense which you mentioned like not a lot of these guys have that experience but he does uh he he plays fast like his movements are fast but

don't feel out of control like for example we're going to talk about riley leonard like riley leonard is one of those guys where riley leonard plays really fast but you could you're you almost get nervous watching him like okay all right like all right man it's just like you just get nervous it's a car crash brosmer he plays quick but it's like controlled the whole time and it's really a joy to watch how he plays he's a tough quarterback he's got decent zip on his throws uh actually in third and long situations he's fantastic you know we talk about we'll talk about this for running backs when we get here. There's some specific individual stats that I like to bring up when it comes to each position group. How you play on third and seven plus.

I love to see those numbers for quarterbacks. You know, not only like grades and first down conversions, but also how often are you passing it past the sticks? You know, like, are you somebody who's going to dump it short of the sticks and make guys, you know, make plays for you? Are you going to go get that first down with your arm? He had, Brosmer, 82.2 passing grade in third and long situations. 54.5% past the sticks, which is a really nice percentage. So more than half the time, he's going to get that first down with his arms.

Four big time throws, turnover worthy plays I feel like he just does a lot of things really really well not quite at the level that deal and Dylan Gabriel does the big issue for me really is his size he is listed at six foot two he plays like he's shorter like I don't know if he's going to be six foot two and I think those are official measurements that I've got from him. So maybe he just is, but. Yeah. So the official looks like the spring measurements

that I have is six, one and a half. Okay. So he's six, one and a half. I mean, again, like that makes sense because the biggest issue that I have about Brosmer's game is when he is throwing over his offensive line and over the true intermediate middle of the field. Because even though his grade is good over the middle of the field,

two big time throws, nine turnover worthy plays in between the numbers. That's a good call. The reason why is just because unless the offensive line sort of like parts the seas and he can see clearly over the middle of the field if he has to throw over his offensive line connor i watch specifically like there are snaps when he is throwing on his tippy toes like he like he gets on his toes to just try to get the ball jump pass style almost yeah quite not quite a jump no not like a tebow but like you know the yeah, the... Yeah, I don't know.

It's weird. He's bouncing up and you lose a lot of power and accuracy when you're throwing from your toes. Yeah, it's hard to play that way. And so that's just something that you've got to live with with him. But the rest of his game, very crisp, very fun to watch. Good zip on his passes, like I mentioned. Generally a good decision maker. He's one of those where I don't see it as much with

gabriel him struggling again to go back to bryce like bryce young bryce didn't struggle over the middle no you you would have thought that he would have but bryce was a good middle of the field passer gabriel is a good middle of the field passer brosmer wasn't so that's that's just that's i you shouted out max Brosmer, and we hadn't talked about him yet. I've seen some comments about him, so I wanted to just talk about him a little bit there. Just missed the top 10 for both of us.

I think we should probably use this time to talk about Kyle McCord, right? Because we both have him at nine. Yep, yep. I'm fascinated to see if McCord ends up getting eligibility to play next year. But considering where McCord was at the end of his run with Ohio State, compared to the film he put on this year in Syracuse's offense, it's been a wildly impressive calendar year for him. I mean, it really, really has.

McCord is somebody that has always had talent, I would say, and I want to pull up my notes here right now. He's 6'2 and 5'8, 221 pounds, so pretty adequate size for the position in Kyle McCord. And you could see that on film. Like in pads, he does not look small. What surprised me the most this year, Trevor, in a year that he finished with, to put it in context, last year he had about 3,170 passing yards, 26 passing touchdowns, six picks. This year he had over 4,300 passing yards, 29 passing touchdowns. The interceptions jumped up to 12, but he had 28 big-time throws

and 22 turnover-worthy plays. He was an aggressive, loose quarterback this year in Syracuse's offense. It wasn't this, oh, God, am I going to make a mistake? Or I'm holding the ball, I'm holding the ball. Okay, Marv is down there. Let's give Marv a chance on this broken play. You watch him this year. I just saw better timing. I saw him hit a lot of hole shots between corners and safeties. I thought the deep ball, I mean, he completed over 50% of his deep balls. He was 37 of 72% Nine touchdowns, three picks. The deep ball was accurate. It was

thrown with touch. It was thrown with timing this year, where I watched a lot of this guy at Ohio State, naturally. And I thought the deep ball was late. It was short. It was unsure of himself when he was throwing it. And what I really saw with McCord this year that got him going, when they ran play action, he was phenomenal when they ran play action. You just look at the numbers, how they went up. I mean, he was 8.8 yards per attempt off play action,

11 touchdowns, two picks. There's a small sample of under center throws off play action, but when they had him go under center and run play action, once again, good play fakes, confident and trustworthy of his mechanics, knew how to drive the ball all the way from his base and his feet were tied with his eyes of where he was trying to throw the ball. Now where McCord gets in trouble, turn on the pick game, right? From this season. And he just sits on that first read too long sometimes

where he drops back and he's like this is where it's drawn up this is where I'm throwing and the pit defenders what he had four turnover worthy plays in that game the pit defenders first it was the corners in coverage that were sitting on it and getting close to the ball then the safety started to pick up on it when then when he would drop and stare down a throw, they'd be like, I'm going to go for this because there's a good chance he was throwing it. So he's got to be really, really careful of how he uses his eyes. And he's not a guy that's going to offer you much as a runner or a scrambler. He's not overly creative.

But the arm talent to me took a jump this year. The timing, most importantly, took a jump for me this year. I hope, I know we were clowning on it, but in a way, extra eligibility would be really, really good for him because the jumps he made since he got to this program are drastic. I didn't expect him to be a drafted player over summer from what I saw last year. And what he put on tape for Syracuse this year,

I think McCord, he's going off the board in day three if he's in this draft. He wants to be Baker Mayfield. That's a really good way of putting it. And the reason why, I don't think Baker Mayfield is going to be my official comp for McCord because I don't think he has quite the arm talent that Baker Mayfield does. No, Baker had a pretty special arm for his body type. For his body type and his size.

And I don't think McCordord is there but mccord wants to be that i think it's probably closer that he's brock purdy right where it's like okay purdy doesn't have the greatest arm um but purdy also doesn't let maybe that lack of arm strength get in the way of some big time throws and being a big game hunter so it's to me like mccord is somewhere around like that brock purdy baker mayfield sort of mentality but who he wants to be is baker like that it feels like he just watched baker mayfield tape this summer and i think it's a really good call out by you because i'm gonna be honest i just felt like he was nervous last year at ohio. I feel like he just didn't. It's totally different body language this year.

He didn't want to blow it. Like, he didn't feel like, he knew that Ohio State, like at Ohio State, it's kind of weird being an Ohio State quarterback, and I'm not trying to take some, like, subtle shot at Ohio State. There's not many teams in the Big Ten that can compete with Ohio State. Like, unless Michigan is good, there's not really any... I mean, they're going to beat Penn State basically every year.

And outside of that, there's just not a lot of games there. So basically, your season if you're Ohio State comes down to two games. It comes down to Penn State and Michigan. The whole rest of the schedule, all other... What is it, 10 games, 11 games, whatever it is,

you're just like, don't blow it. Ohio State is supposed to win this game by a lot. And I felt, and I felt like Kyle McCord at times last year, not all the time, but was sort of operating under this, like, I better not blow it. Like, and it just, it felt like he was playing tight it felt like he wasn't playing loose and at Syracuse it feels like he is completely loose he is totally confident and he is just letting it fly led the power four in big time throws also led the power four in turnover worthy plays but that kind of comes with the progression of how he is wanting to play and how different it is this year versus last year it you know in a quarterback class that like i said he's gonna have a lot of backup quarterbacks in it right we're just gonna have a lot of depth quarterbacks like tyler shuck

curtis rourke max brosmer right you know like some of these other dudes like in. In my opinion, there's going to be backup quarterbacks. These are backup quarterbacks at the NFL level. Perhaps some of them get an opportunity to absolutely sprint with it, but I think there are going to be backup quarterbacks. Kyle McCord is one that's hard for me to quit because McCord at least approaches the game the way that you would want him to, to be a surprise out of nowhere starter.

Again, that's where the Brock Purdy comes in for me. Because Purdy, I didn't think had the tools to be a starter at the NFL level. But he approached it in a way where he was like, nope, I'm going to throw the ball the way that I need to throw the ball for us to win football games. And perhaps that is also going to be Kyle McCord. So, reckless in ways, for sure. But I can understand people going, hey, you know what, in this class,

yeah, give me McCord early day three. Like, give me McCord and I'll bet. Yeah, and I'll bet on mccord yeah yeah high ceiling low floor but let me see if i can hit that high ceiling with him given the rest of the guys in the class so i did like mccord though i did i do love the shout out there two numbers that kind of back up one good thing i said about him and one bad thing the good thing was that i thought he got the ball out quicker this year. His time to throw from his last year at Ohio State, which was 2.56, went down to 2.39 this year.

That's a big – That's fast. That's a – 2.39 is fast. That is very fast. Number two, that is a wild jump. Some of you are like, oh, 2.56 seconds, 2.39 seconds. Quarterback times, that's an eternity.

So that's the good. The second thing is when i talked about staring down reads he had 11 passes batted down at the line of scrimmage this season and guys bat down passes when they see the quarterback sitting on a read and throwing it and they go hand up so uh yeah mccord is like you outlined perfectly a high degree of variance and there will be a team that really, really likes that with him. Last thing about McCord before we move on to our next guy, just to tell you guys my bottom line little sentences that I have for him,

which will be in the Mock Draft Simulator soon, which you guys will be able to read this for a lot of the guys that I'm building out here. McCord is not for the faint of heart. He led the Power Five in both big-time throws and turnover-worthy plays plays. He lacks the top level arm to feel great about his gunslinger mentality and the pros, but him churning out big plays every week makes him hard to quit. And a guy, plenty of teams should want to take a chance on in the early day three parts of the draft. So here you go. That's my thoughts on it. Yeah, I like it. Funny we both landed on QB nine with him. The guy like a guy that I think will have the most polarizing degree of opinions.

Some people will think Kyle McCord is the fourth best quarterback in this class. Some people think he's the 16th and we both landed at nine. You know what? We should do a podcast together. I don't know how you feel about it. It's not a bad idea. It might work. We'll see if anyone listens. Probably not. Okay. So have queen ewers at eight i have yes carson beck at seven and then i got riley leonard at six do who i don't care who we talk about there well it's just funny

because i have leonard beck and ewers in a row seven to five same like this just the row of a row of these guys and uh i'm man enough to say it i don't feel good about any of these guys right now honestly and it's just and i treat them differently because i think i had higher degree of expectations for all three than the other guys on this list that we talked about so far they all ran into various degree of flaws this year while still giving you enough of they are an NFL prospect that have is promising aspects of their game. I guess we'll start with Quinn because I think Quinn, well, you could say they were all once upon a time first round guys. Let's just start with Quinn because he's probably that he's still the most like I feel like the casual fan still thinks Quinn Ewers might be a top 40 pick in the draft. And I am just nowhere close to that right now. No, I'm not either.

Now, I will say this. The Clemson game is my favorite Quinn Ewers game that I have ever watched him play. The one that he just played. Right. Yeah, I think that that is my favorite Quinn Ewers game that I have ever watched him play. The one that he just played. Right. Yeah. I think that that is my favorite Quinn Ewers game that I have watched him play. He had a couple of really nice, you know, kills at the line of scrimmage to change the play to something else that ended up being successful. I thought he did a nice job not putting the ball in harm's way. I thought he did a nice job reading the field the way that he needed to. I thought he was a lot more poised. I think he managed to pocket

a little bit better against Clemson. It will be very interesting to see who do they play now? Who does Texas play? Oh, they play Arizona State. You could have another big day. There's some talent in that secondary.

It's less about the opponent, though, I'm going to be honest with you, because he actually played decently well against georgia in the sec championship game too yep so it's less about who he is playing anymore for me and it is more just stack good games in a row i don't care really who you are playing at this point just give me some consistency because that is the biggest issue that I have with Quinn Ewers. So much inconsistency with him throughout his college football career. And even this year,

like there was just a ton of inconsistencies. He was leaving so much meat on the bone. And I try not to be too harsh on him and view him through a lens of like, okay, people think that this is a top 10 caliber pick or something like that. I'm trying to take him just as he is. And I do think that as I have done that, taking a step back, he has improved this year.

He has gotten better. And especially again, in the SEC championship game, and then what I saw against Clemson, I liked both of those games quite a bit. And so I want to give him credit for getting better. But up to this point,'s there's too much tape out there of the inconsistencies with quinn quinn ewers especially dialing things up to an nfl speed and an nfl level he just still feels skittish in the pocket he feels a little you know uneasy when he is there sometimes he can muddy up a clean pocket himself even though there's not anybody

really imminently kind of coming towards him you know he can uh he he can bail from clean pockets he can not move exactly where he needs to so the inconsistencies there with Quinn Ewers mainly from a pocket presence have bothered me going to the NFL level but I do think he is getting a little bit better what did you think about him yeah the same I mean I actually really liked him over summer more than I thought I would I was pretty high on him because I felt like he developed such a good command of what Sark was asking him to do that he kind of went from this big time recruit to okay no I'm gonna be the adult of the offense and I can point guard this thing up when I need to but I also have enough talent to create and throw the ball down the field in small, you know, sprinkles of it. And then this year, to be honest with you, I kind of came full circle exactly what you said. There's just times where he doesn't have feel

for pressure. It leads to a high turnover worthy play rate. Yep. I mean, this year alone, 13 big time throws to 16 turnover worthy plays and i believe that might have been before the clemson game but he only had one big time throw in that game uh which you said well you said it was a very clean game the thing is trevor i i after watching a couple games of him, I filtered out his throws outside the numbers in the 10 plus kind of range to see how he's driving the ball. And he just doesn't drive the ball mechanically like a high end NFL quarterback. It can kind of sail. The ball placement's erratic.

It's because it's because the footwork, I think, is still just so it's such a bad habit for him it was really bad last year I think it's gotten a little bit better this year but I said this to over summer scouting when we talked about Quinn he is such an upper body thrower he is supremely gifted in his arm talent that ball fires off of his wrist when he flicks it and and I mean you see I talked about this over summer he has this like high sidearm release where he's not really bringing it up and following through all the way down and across his chest.

You know, the throwing technique that it's not the same for everybody, but this is just, you know, kind of like a play sort of thing. When you throw the football, you're supposed to, okay, then you turn the wrist and then the thumb goes into the opposite pocket, right? Like that's sort of the thought of like how you're supposed to finish your throw he doesn't

do that Quinn is Quinn is like up here what like that's it like that's his follow-through and that gets dangerous for him because it's so upper body it's so upper body dependent and the reason why people emphasize you know quarterback coaches everybody emphasizes so much on footwork is because you want repeatable throwing motions. It's like a basketball player. Why do they shoot a billion shots? Muscle memory. It's so when a defender is in their face or a situation is, you know, the clock is coming

down and you're hitting a last second shot and the playoffs are on the line and all the nerves in your body are going crazy, muscle memory takes over. And you want to be able to do that as a quarterback as well. So that's why we emphasize so much throwing motion and throwing fundamentals, because when the very inevitable chaos happens on any play in any moment in any game, you have to have that muscle memory that the ball is going to release exactly where it does at all times and it's going to go exactly where it needs to. When Quinn plays backyard football, when he's escaping and scrambling a little bit

and there's somebody who's a little bit cross-bodied, he just goes, woo, boom, the ball comes out, fire. Those are his best throws. Those are his throws to go right to the receiver's hands. It's how he plays in clean situations that worry the crap out of me because until he gets better with his footwork and his fundamentals that part of his game is just going to be in my opinion just too erratic to say like yeah yeah i could trust this guy let's draft him in the first round because

right now i just get nervous about that and that's where i have have the Zach Wilson brainwash in my head, because a lot of that was his exact problematic side of him. And I'm not calling Quinn, you or Zach Wilson, because I think he does some things pre-snap and overall command of the offense at a higher level. But I had written down over the summer that when you look at some of his off target throws with his unconventional mechanics that you outlined really well with a flick kind of motion he because his feet aren't always tied to his upper body he opens his front side and you know like you're more narrow as a quarterback and you're following through like you said thumb in the pocket. Sometimes he opens his front side fully. Like you literally, it's like chest to the defense while throwing. So you look for improvements to something like that,

or just limiting those. And then you turn on the tape against Oklahoma this year. He has an interception in the beginning of the game. It's their home games. Bad man. That's a bad tape for him. It's there in 14. It's the beginning of the game opening

drive and good pass protection we know how good these tackles are he steps up into the pocket and he does the same thing there's a delayed blitzing linebacker who's just spying him but the linebacker's not going to get there and Quinn opens up that front side and throws it this way so like when you pause it he's open like this but the arm is like this and there is a wide receiver 30 yards down the field wide open cut it in breaking and he sails this thing five yards over his head right into the lap of the safety for an interception and that's the kind of stuff where okay i had a problem with that over summer and now now it's the same thing this year so this is is this just who you are at this point because if you do that in the NFL clean pocket wide open wide receiver

basically a free explosive play and you just air mail it because of your mechanics and the safety for a turnover you will not be on the field very long. So Quinn is a frustrating watch because he's clearly a very talented guy. He seems like a pretty intelligent guy, but I don't know if he can change fully who he is that leads to the erratic ball placement in the 10-plus range. And that's something that's just non-negotiable for a high-end quarterback prospect to me. When we were talking at the beginning of the show about guys potentially sitting,

and we were joking around a little bit about that with Drake May, this class, in my opinion, is really going to test the patience, maybe the modern-day problem, some people would say, about drafting a young quarterback and playing them right away. because most of the quarterbacks who are in this class require sitting or at least that's what their film would tell you right now i'm not you know holding anything against these guys if you get a starting opportunity they absolutely run with it that's fantastic i won't sit here and say that it's impossible because i'll never say that but you get a guy like quinn yours and you get a couple of guys that we're going to talk about

a little bit later, like they need to sit. You know, Quinn is somebody who if Quinn comes out this year, if you're starting him within the first five weeks of the season next year, you're going to be in trouble and you're going to be doing it because you failed as an organization. Right. You did not put together the right strategy for that to be the case. And then you fail him. And then you fail your investment. So like to me, failed as an organization. Right. You did not put together the right strategy for that to be the case. And then you fail him. And then you fail your investment. So like to me,

I don't think Texas is going to let Arch sit another year. So Quinn is not going to play for Texas next year. He's either going to play somewhere else or he's going to go to the NFL. I feel like he's going to go to the NFL, especially with back-to-back playoff appearances and then winning a playoff game. And we'll see how far they go in this one. So we obviously have some big games of Quinn to evaluate still throughout the rest of the season like I mentioned Clemson games one of my favorites that I've watched of Quinn so I want to give him full credit in the world there uh he definitely has an NFL arm he

totally has NFL arm talent he has the ability to be a big-time playmaker when it comes out of structure stuff but yeah Kurt Warner was just talking about this earlier this week on Twitter Kurt Warner was like hey you know I get it we're all talking about you know mobile quarterbacks what they can do outside of the pocket but you have to first be able to succeed in clean situations that is why clean situations and early down passing are stable metrics according to PFF because those are translatable things that you have to happen that you have to have at the NFL level and under pressure passing grade is actually categorized as an unstable metric because it goes up and down and even some of the guys who are the best at

improvising those situations are so crazy you don't really know it's hard to even call it stable. So the stable situations, the stable metrics, early passing downs, clean passing situations, no play action, like all of this stuff is to be there for you, for you to be a down-by-down successful quarterback at the NFL level. And right now, Quinn doesn't do enough of the clean stuff well, although, of course, like I said,

I will give him credit for the last couple weeks. I feel like it's been better for him. So that where i'm at quinn yep i'm qb5 there's still things i like about him as a creator twitchy athlete when he's in command of the offense he can play a really clean game like he brought up the clemson game where the two guys i have behind him and carson beck and riley leonard when things get a little off the rails they get really off the rails but specifically Beck who I mean to put it politely kind of had a season from hell and so in terms of being a in being a top quarterback prospect to now so you we can talk about Beck next yeah is he six for you because he's uh yes seven for you he is he is six for you? Because he's seven for you? He is six for me. He is seven for me.

So yeah, same category here. I'll let you go with Beck. You take the first crack at him. So Beck in 2023 completed over 72% of his passes. He threw 24 touchdowns. He only had six picks and 11 turnover-worthy plays in total. This year, the passing yards went went down he still threw 28 touchdowns 12 picks 18 turnover worthy plays 21 big time throws so this is someone who i think over some

we were like man we just want to see him in uncomfortable situations to see how he responds because the ball it just effortlessly flies out of this guy's hand. He doesn't need a ton of space to get the ball out. I think he understood how to throw with anticipation. He's understanding routes and when the ball needs to be there. You can ask him to throw on the run. He's not a runner, but you could ask him to throw on the run. The 11.1 yards per attempt off play action, he looked just really comfortable. The third down specifically of the 2023 tape against Auburn, Kentucky, Ole Miss, and Tennessee was like,

this guy got to the line of scrimmage and he knew how to attack. This year, when things got bad, and I'm not talking about just a free blitzer running at him. I'm talking about pressure after three, four, five, six seconds. He had no answers. No answers in 2024. He completed 38.6% of his passes when he was under pressure. His yards per attempt went down to 5.6. His turnover worthy play, play rate, Trevor was 9.4%. Is like if, if Carson Beck was getting pressured, everybody on the Georgia sidelines had to hold their breath and cross their fingers and pray the ball wasn't about to be given to the other team. It was chaos. So what I notice is

when he starts to feel that pressure, the eyes either go down or the feet get really jittery, and then the accuracy falls off a cliff. It's like, I just got to throw this ball, and hopefully it gets there, and I don't really know where it's going all the time so the reality is we got what we wanted we wanted to see him tested this year in uncomfortable pressure situations and the answers were not what you wanted to see it was really really tough this guy if you can't keep him clean you can't trust them right now you can't trust them and he's not creative enough of an athlete to work himself out of those situations where some of these guys, they get under pressure and they might not have all the answers to the test

or their accuracy might fall off a cliff, but they might be athletic enough to just make shit happen. And Beck doesn't have that card in his back pocket to lean on. And that severely limits him as a prospect right now. Yeah. Yeah, I think the easy one is Jared Goff. Like a lot of people look at Jared Goff as sort of a comp for him right now. When things are on script, he can really distribute the football and play very, very well.

But certainly this year, he showed that if you pressure him, you struggle. And I think that's a Jared Goff thing. I think that's also, you know, I don't know if i love the jared goff comp but um jimmy garoppolo is like another guy that that i've thought about for for carson beck where it's like okay yeah when things are going well for jimmy you know certainly when he was at san francisco and things were very controlled and kyle shanahan was able to you know cook up the offense in a certain way he was able to play well but when you got him off script and when you pressured him and when you had him in uncomfortable situations you know he crumbled and i i don't want to be i don't want to be unnecessarily hard on

beck because even though i'm not taking anything away from the numbers that you listed because they're true and they're there for a reason his like avoiding negatives percentile like as a as a quarterback even just this year we're still solid like they were still in the set like low 70s it was just the year before it was i think he was 98th percentile for avoiding negatives like you just never put the ball in harm's way and this year he did a lot more he did it a lot more but it's not like he did it every time but the times in which he chose wrong or or or made a decision poorly it was like backbreaking like it was truly like turnover stuff it wasn't just oh you kind of missed the throw it was a bad read like it was

backbreaking turnover worthy plays or turnovers for him so I wonder if the truth is probably somewhere in between the efficient player that we saw very efficient player that we saw in 2023 and the version that we saw here in 2024 and if that's the case I do think he'll get a shot to be a starter again like I go back to sort of that Jimmy Garoppolo type of quarterback like he plays well enough when things are going well and he's got a decent enough arm like he's got a good arm for the NFL level he's got good zip he can attack over the middle we've seen him complete all sorts of NFL throws, whether it's attacking between the safeties and open coverage deep down the middle of the field,

hitting the hole shots in between the safety and the corner against cover two, like backside dig routes. We've seen him attempt and complete NFL throws and NFL concepts. So he can absolutely do it, especially with that NFL offensive coordinator types of people there. So to me, I think that he's still a decent player, but not one that you would want to throw out there immediately. This is, again, this is the backup theory. Draft Carson Beck, probably somewhere in the third round,

and let him sit. Just let him sit, let him learn a little bit, and get him out there. Maybe year two, year three, he could take over. And you got a decent starting quarterback option for you if whatever option A is doesn't end up going right. I don't think there's enough of those situations here at the NFL level right now.

Carson Beck can kind of give you that. But yeah, definitely a fall in how he is perceived right now and a struggle this year. And obviously, George is still in the college football playoff, but he is not. He's got a UCL injury. It was that same sort of injury that Brock Purdy had due to his throwing elbow, and he won't be able to play the rest of the postseason. So what we've seen is what we're going to get for him, and we'll see sort of what his offseason is like.

I don't think he'll be able to throw at any sort of all-star events. So probably the next time we're talking about him is at Combine. We're getting to interview him and things like that. So those are my thoughts on Carson Beck. And then, yeah, I've got Riley Leonard ahead of him. You had Riley Leonard behind him, right? Yeah, I had them really in this cluster together that it was Quinn at five, Beck at six, Riley Leonard at seven. So, you know, Leonard is.

Leonard's an interesting quarterback. I think he's really high variance. I think that he just he does a lot of good things well, but there are also just those moments where it just, it, again, you just feel nervous watching him play. He's a, he's a, he's a great runner.

And so because of that, that's why I, that's why I ultimately have Riley Leonard above Quinn Ewers and Carson Beck, because I think Riley Leonard's got the inadequate, adequate arm for the NFL level. I think he could put a good zip on passes. I don't think he has the greatest arm when it comes to distance, but I think it's good enough

to be able to threaten vertically those fade routes, slot fades, corner routes, things up the sideline, out and ups, all that stuff. So like he could still stretch the ball a little bit. He's not going to be launching it on a rope, you know, 50, 60 yards down the field, but he's got a good enough arm

to be able to attack down the field vertically. But then you add in the mobility to him. He's a legitimate RPO type of a quarterback. He's a legitimate guy who can keep it, get you those short yardage first downs, scramble, be able to play outside of the pocket, that kind of stuff. But he makes you nervous because when he gets on the run or when he talks it to run, like even when he's in the pocket man there are times where he'll hike the football he'll look one spot and it's like okay that primary read is

covered and then you could tell like he'll kind of lower the ball as if he's about to tuck it to run but then he's like nope uh okay now i'm pulling the ball back up nope just kidding all right now i need to run it because now it's too late and it's just like what what what are we doing here like what what are we doing so there's there's just there's a lot of it feels like it's just uh uh you gotta be ready you gotta strap in it's a chaotic watch you gotta strap in for the roller coaster when you're watching riley leonard but there are some really nice layered throws for some good stuff over the middle um i thought he played really nice against indiana obviously notre dame is still moving forward in the college football playoffs,

so we'll get to continue to watch them. And I think the bigger the games, the bigger the stage, obviously the more that could mean for his scouting report. But to me, even though Leonard is very up and down, even though his passing grade under pressure was a lot lower than it regularly is, he makes decent decisions. He doesn't get sacked a ton. He's got an NFL arm, and he's the type of player

that I think the NFL would look at and go, again, give me this guy to mold. And if you draft him and start him right away, just going to have to deal with the struggles because they're going to be there. But if you draft him and you give him a little bit of time to learn and you sort of get that confidence down, and you sort of take a deep breath with him,

get him to calm down a little bit. I don't know, doing yoga maybe. You know, like let's get some balance. Meditation. Morning yoga, a little meditation from him. If you can calm him down in the pocket a little bit, he does, in my opinion, bring you a lot of NFL type of traits that you would like for a guy that

gives you bonus abilities with his legs as much as what he can do with his arm as well so ultimately that dual threat package is why i ended up having him at six over those other two guys yeah he's a great runner a great athlete we've talked about the trap track background and triple jump long jump high jump 300 meter meter hurdles it's funny because Leonard feels like you know his dad we talked about too played basketball for the Citadel in the 90s uh finished second in program history for steals like this guy and he played basketball too and Leonard played basketball too he went to I think a final four in high school he had over 20 points per game yeah yeah right here 20.9 points per game and 8.5 rebounds per game.

This dude was a legit basketball player, too. He had offers from St. Mary's, from Sanford, from Missouri. This guy could have played basketball in high school as well. I believe it. He is that kind of athlete. And it's weird. With the Notre Dame offense, he had written this down. He only had a handful of games this year, I feel like,

that he needs to throw for over 200 yards. Like, it's just not. So there was only, he only threw for more than 200 yards in four of his 2024 games. It's not this air it out offense or drop back a million times and throw. He is such a running threat. He almost feels like, and I know it's cliche because they both have the Duke background and everything,

but he feels like he's going to be drafted where Daniel, like how Daniel Jones should have been treated. Should have been, right. Daniel Jones turned into this prospect that he wasn't and it never really made sense. But Riley Leonard is a very similar prospect in terms of he's got the size. He's a legit NFL runner and he's got the physical talent to make all the throws, but you need to find a way to rein in the chaos through his brain at times. And I think

to be fair, that's why I was really excited about him transferring. This Notre Dame offense has done that for the most part. Like, yes, his numbers overall against pressure this year are not great, but they've understand how to walk the fine line of using his athleticism and not have him being this drop back 50 times a game kind of quarterback. And they've gotten the most out of him. So there's more football left for him. He's accepted a senior bowl invite. I completely agree with you. I'll take the samples of the tape on 2022 and 2024, where he's throwing vertically with confidence. Even if it's low volume, he's when he gets the

chances, there's the flashes there. The tight windows throws are there. Riley Leonard is a flashes example guy and an NFL team will watch that and go, if I can get more of this out of him, we will have something here. So I think he'll be honestly one of the risers throughout the process just because of the kind of athlete he is. I feel like he's somewhere between Jeff Driscoll and Daniel Jones to me. Yeah, that's fair. I think it's like, it's that sort of time. And maybe he's even better and Daniel Jones to me. Yeah, that's fair. I think it's that sort of time. And maybe he's even better than Daniel Jones, right?

I mean, maybe we get to a point where he's ascended that. I think he's comparable. When it comes to comparisons, I would say that his pro comp is somewhere between Jeff Driscoll and Daniel Jones. So that's sort of where I'm at with Riley Leonard, who I think is going to be all over the place when it comes to rankings.

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Learn more at MeFabric.com. All right, so I said that I have Gabriel at four. So we've already talked about Dylan Gabriel in my top five. We've already talked about- And I had Quinn at five. You're number five in Quinn Ewers. So who do you have it for? Jackson Dart.

Whoa. All right. Is he not in your top 10? He is not in my top 10. Wow. This is, so man, I wondered if we were going to get a polar opposite at some point in this group.

I guess this is it. Jackson Dart is my polar opposite, which means I have somebody in my top five who you do not have in your top 10 or your top 11, because I think we talked about your top 11. Very interesting. Which is also the case because I have Jackson Dart much further down my list as well. So Jackson Dart. We see him extremely differently. I cannot wait for this.

I mean, I want to have a clarifier that I used over summer. I'm just being very blunt. I don't like this quarterback class. I said there was no first-round grade for anyone over summer, and I'm still sitting here going, I don't love this quarterback class. Like it's, I would,

I would have very cold feet if I had to bet my GM job on this quarterback class is how I will frame this. So I like Jackson dart and I haven't met QB four, but that is a very different QB four. Then last year when we were talking about Michael Pennix, Jaden Daniels. You liked Bo Nix, and he's done a lot of good things this year. J.J. McCarver.

So, yes, all right, I'll get into what I like about Jackson Dart, but it just needs to be framed that this is such a different group. Well, you're taking a risk on somebody who had a baseball background. He's a good athlete. He knows how to throw the football. You're just taking a chance. You're taking a chance on that guy. I get it. He's a good athlete. He knows how to throw the football. Like, you're just taking a chance. You're taking a chance on that guy. I get it.

He's a total ball of clay. And I totally understand coming from this offense. I mean, listen, guys. He has less than 30 snaps under center over the last two seasons. Like, I don't want this guy to be on an NFL field. There's not many in Lane's offense. Right. I know.

It's like, how? Dude, you know it's funny uh graham mertz i think had what was it i think graham mertz had 250 snaps under center in the three years that he was a starter for wisconsin and like that's a lot in and it's a lot of college for today for's quarterback, if you have 250 career snaps under center, you are legitimately a pro-style caliber quarterback because you have the ability to play under center. He had one snap under center at Florida. One.

That's how it goes. 250 in three years at Wisconsin. He had one at Florida. Yeah, it's a different world. Yeah, well, well lane i'm surprised that he even had 30 snaps under center yeah not much there now dart's been you know not surprisingly productive in this offense this year 25 touchdowns six interceptions 10 turnover worthy plays almost 3 900 yards that doesn't really mean much you got to watch to understand the context

he had 28 big time throws i cannot emphasize this enough. This is why Jackson Dart is my QB for. He's got a really good arm and it's not just he could throw the ball far. He's got arm talent. He could throw the ball with unique location like locating. He can throw the ball off platform. He can drive the ball or he has multiple pitches to me. On top of that, he's a good athlete. This is somebody that ran for 584 yards this year. Picked up 31st downs with his legs. He's not small like a lot of guys in this class. He's 6'2", 220. He's pretty average size quarterback, but he can run and he's got a really good arm. The intermediate range, I thought the intermediate middle of the field throws were the most impressive part for me. Where I looked at him and I started to take

him really serious as a quarterback prospect. And I want to pull up, uh, his passing depth chart here. So his throws from the 10 to 19 yard range in the middle of the field, he was 40 of 53. Yep. He averaged 15 and a half yards per attempt, eight touchdowns, one pick. Like he could genuinely drive the bowling windows in the middle of the field from the pocket or on the move. Once again, another thing, I like the kid's makeup. I see it on the field. He's got a different makeup to me. I saw him hang in there and get the absolute snot knocked out of him

time and time again to make a throw. I'm going to be honest, there are guys in this class that I saw didn't want to be about that life. Or they got hit early in a game and things looked a lot different for the next three quarters. And I didn't really see that a lot with Jackson Dart. I think there's a little something different to him. Now, does it shock me,

considering his dad was a safety for Utah, that the DNA is a little bit psychotic in a good way likes hits likes to take hits like it does not mind getting hit I think how calculated he is with his rushing can be really important for his NFL development 36 first downs in 2023 with his legs once again 30 last year it's a part of his game that when you open up the field and it's not there, he can make something happen with his legs. Another positive for him. He cut his last three seasons. He's cut his fumbles down from seven to five to three.

So he's understanding how to take care of the football now. What's that? That's good. Seven's way too high. Seven's very. And man, you want to talk about fumbles in this class. These guys throw this football around the field like it's nothing. Yeah, there's a lot of bad ball security.

Three? Three in this class? You are the angel of this draft. You're on the podium. Let's get into the bad because I want to be honest. He's going to be 22 on draft day. I think he needs a true redshirt year, maybe two, like full transparency. He is an inconsistent thrower that will miss a layup

and then just hit an impossible throw. And you're sitting there and you're just like, man, what? I thought the Georgia game this year kind of modeled that. I brought up how he just has no experience under center. He does get a little happy, especially against zone coverage, staring and patting the ball and zone defenders will jump on that. Or at least it'll, it'll cue them and give them a little bit of a cheat code. He takes a lot of bad sacks in an offense to me that should limit sacks. He took 26 last year.

He took 25 this year. The situational awareness has to get better. And once in a while in an offense, it's really good at drawing up first read when the first read isn't there. He, and the rush is coming. He could stare at the rush. So like,

he's got real things he needs to clean up where I get it. Why you didn't even have him in your top 10, because Jackson Dart is a guy that in three years could be out of the rush. So like he's got real things he needs to clean up where I get it. Why you didn't even have him in your top 10 because Jackson Dart is a guy that in three years could be out of the NFL. But in this class where I'm just searching for talent, both athletically and arm strength wise and arm talent wise and DNA wise, I would rather draft him somewhere on day two and stash him than a lot of these other guys, including the combo we just had between Quinn Ewers, Carson Beck, and Riley Leonard to a degree. And I know that, hey, it might not work out. And a lot of this is going to depend on the mental fortitude and the mental capacity of this guy being tested at NFL football. But, I mean, there are starter traits here in a class that a lot of these guys don't have starter traits.

I think the biggest area where we disagree is in overall arm talent for him. Because I think that just listening to you, you believe in his arm talent more than I do. Because a lot of the things that you were saying, I agree with. Like light on his feet, multi-sport background, natural athlete, really nice as a, maybe not an RPO type of option at the NFL level, but somebody that you got to keep tabs on or he's going to pick up some first downs against you.

Like somebody who can actively move, he can scramble well, all this kinds of stuff. If I thought he had a better arm, I think he's got a good arm for the NFL level. I don't know if I'd go past that. I feel like it's adequate to good. And I think just you thinking, you believing that he has a higher arm talent understands why you would go,

okay, let me get this guy to bet on you know to bet on some of the traits a little bit more the area was where i get the things that i get nervous about with uh jackson dart and i don't disagree with you about like the redshirt nfl year i don't i definitely don't disagree with you there i think that like time sitting could really help him. When I look at his weaknesses, these are the things that I have listed. Forces the primary read too often,

certainly in Lane Kiffin's offense. I think that a lot of his statistical marvels and his production come from being in Lane's offense. I think a lot of it is scheme dependent because I felt like he didn't really get off the primary read nearly as much as I wanted him to when things weren't on the primary read. He wasn't super comfortable

and didn't have the timing to be able to move throughout things. Like he does, you know, like he understands like concepts, you know, slant flat, curl flat, smash concepts where you're basically reading one defender. You're basically, you're hiking the football, you're looking at things pre-snap,

and you're reading one defender. And you're saying, okay, there's a route concept and a route combination. And I'm not necessarily saying that's a bad thing. Quarterbacks at every single level do that. But beyond those concepts, I didn't really see him do full field reads, multi-progression reads.

I just didn't see him do a lot of that outside of scheme type of stuff and even they're not gonna ask him to and they just didn't ask him to do it i felt like the eyes and the anticipation needed to improve i felt like he was too comfortable throwing off of the back foot the deep ball placement the deep ball accuracy wasn't as good as i wanted it to be and the biggest issue that I have with all of this with Dart is that he's started for three years. So where he is still, what is he, 22? You said he's like 22? Draft age is 22.

So he'll be 22 when he is drafted. I do have to look at the experience and say, Let me walk that back. He will be 21 when drafted. Okay. So we'll be 21. So he is a younger player. So he's a,

he is a younger, he is a young adult. He has been starting for three years. So it's hard for me to go, okay, well you just need more time because not only have you gotten time, you've also gotten experience. And to be fair to him, he has gotten better in certain ways,

but maybe he just needs to get out of the Lane Kiffin system in order to fully blossom. That could be the case. But I am very hesitant, and I just don't think he's going to be for me in this class because of how scheme-dependent he is and how I don't love betting on scheme dependent quarterbacks becoming more diverse in how they see the field at the NFL level. So yeah, I think that's fair. I think, I mean, you got to know what you're signing up for.

Yes. With this, like, yes, he's not, he's not somebody that should be taken in the first round. He's not somebody that should be taken with early expectations. He's a project dart throw that you hope. Full pun intended. Yeah, nice. He's a throw of the dart. Literally. You can mold with his ability. All right.

Number four for me? No, wait. Number five for me. Because Dylan Gabriel is number four for me no wait number five for me because dylan gabriel is number four god will howard brother wow okay do you watch will is he on your list i have i did a will howard breakdown for mbc like three to three weeks ago will howard really honestly like I do feel kind of bad because you did it like three weeks ago, three or four weeks ago, and he's just been on an absolute heat.

No, it was because of that. It was, yeah, it was because of that. It was when he started to actually do things in the offense and not just be a part of the offense, is how I would frame it. But he's been better.'s yeah you're right he's but besides the michigan game but even the michigan yeah i mean like the michigan game wasn't great but yeah i'm not i'm not gonna talk myself into that one that the michigan game wasn't

great objectively i think everybody on ohio state was playing with the tightest buttholes humanly possible. Like I just think... Yeah, it was like an AFC North game. I think they were just so scared not to screw it up that they screwed it up. That's how... And you could kind of...

Because the game against Tennessee night and day, they're not nervous at all. They came out and punched them in the mouth. That is how this Ohio State team is supposed to play. But anyways, so getting to Will Howard. Six foot four, 240 pounds, 75th percentile in height, 93rd percentile in size. So the dude is built for the NFL level. He was at Kansas State for, what, four years, I believe, before he got over to Ohio State.

He was like a spot starter, kind of competing for the job at Kansas State. Ended up starting all 12 games last year. They move on, and now they got Avery Johnson starting there. Will Howard moves on, and obviously he's playing with Ohio State. So it's his first year in Ohio State's system. It's taken him a little bit of time, but man, I feel like the last five games outside of the Michigan game, like the Michigan game was not pretty, but it was almost like the entire team was just not ready for that game. Like the coaching staff just had none of those players ready for

that football game, whether it was Chip Kelly, whether it was Ryan Day, none of those dudes were ready for that Michigan game. And outside of the Michigan game, he's played really well. That Tennessee game, he played unbelievable. I think he's got ideal size for the NFL. I think he is not hesitant to throw on the run and be an athlete, especially at his size. When you have that plus measurables in height and weight, yet you are athletic enough to get out of the pocket, take a hit, hit some throws while scrambling. I think that is great. He's got above average arm strength for the NFL level, I believe. To me, he is very conscious in resetting his feet when he is outside of the pocket when he is scrambling. And I like that his fundamentals are pretty clean in there. What I love the most about Will Howard is that in just this year against Ohio State,

he has made so many NFL throws. He has made basically every NFL throw that you have wanted him to make at one point in time he has recognized press coverage in cover one or cover three on the outside and when his wide receiver gets even on a vertical fade he's given them a chance before the safety can move over and he is he is able to view when the single high safety is on the is on the close hash the near hash or he's on the opposite hash and he is able to recognize that and take a shot at one of those receivers getting vertical of the sideline whichever spot that he knows the safety cannot get to and he has the best advantage for that's a true NFL throw knowing how to attack press coverage when it's single high situations I have seen him attack posts from the tight end position or even the wide receiver

position against open coverage. So you've got two safeties in the middle of the field and you were hitting it beyond the linebacker level when it's not a Tampa coverage and you're hitting it right in between that free and strong safety because it's open right over the middle of the field. I have seen him hit the whole shots confidently between where the up corner is and the deep safety are against cover two and just get it right in between those guys and just lace it right in between them right at the sideline. I have seen him hit all these different concepts, dagger concepts, Yankee concepts, the slant flats, the curl flats, all this. I have seen him make so many different NFL throws in this offense

that it's hard for me to not look at him, look at the measurables, the overall arm talent, how he can be an option with his legs and when scrambling out of balance, or sorry, when it's scrambling out of the pocket, excuse me, and not think, give me this guy to draft and develop a little bit here. And we might have something that's pretty nice. Maybe he's a backup journeyman throughout his NFL career, but it's hard to see him fail, right? It's hard for me to look at Will Howard, especially how he has played over the last month and a half, and certainly in that Tennessee game, we'll see how he plays against Oregon,

and not think that this is a guy who at the very worst is going to be a preferred backup at the NFL level and probably somebody who's going to get the chance to start one or two times throughout his NFL career, maybe three times depending on how long his NFL career is. So he brings a multi-sport background with basketball, so you get to check that box as well. So Pete Carroll, shout out, you got the multi-sport background there for him.

He can operate the RPOs. He's done stuff under center. His 2024 is just so NFL-y to me. Like you talked about with Jackson in the way where you're like, hey, I'm going to bet on this guy for a certain reason. Give me Will Howard because I've already seen the NFL stuff from him.

Have I seen it super consistently? Did it happen all year long? Did it happen at the highest level of efficiency? No. Did I see it? Yes. And if I've seen it from him, I know he could do it. And now it's just a matter of efficiency? No. Did I see it? Yes. And if I've seen it from him,

I know he could do it. And now it's just a matter of doing it more against NFL level competition. So I like a lot of what Will Howard brings to the table because I think his game is very NFL-ish right now. Yeah, he's played really good football down the stretch. The tape breakdown I did was showing how he went from kind of being like a passenger of the offense to making plays to elevate the offense with his arm.

The thing where I think we're different on this one is ironic because it's the same argument against and for Jackson dart for his size. I wasn't blown away by the arm with Will Howard. And he's a guy that I'm really looking forward to see throw at the senior bowl because maybe I'm just wrong when he has to drive the ball outside the numbers or attack in between safeties. I don't think he has a great arm. I think he has four, like you see a guy six, four, 240 pounds, and you think he's got a howitzer. And I don't know if it's the way he's delivering it or the inconsistency of it. There's just times where the ball hangs too much where I think he should drive the ball.

And I think he's, while he has rushing ability, it's kind of clunky to me. Like he's a clunky runner. He's not a very slippery runner. He's got beef, dude. He's 240. He's carrying some lumber. Yeah, I feel like he's going to get hit a lot in the NFL. No, he's going to serve hits. And you want to talk about, once again, six fumbles this year. This is another guy that just

spits out the football. And that's not even a bad number compared to some of these guys. It's not good. We got to get him in them with the running backs. We got to get him doing drills for the running ball, security drill security drills. That's what we got to do here. So I like, that was a fun surprise. I got, I like,

well, I think it's very fun that we both had a player in our top fives that was not in the other person's top five. Well, Howard can continue to make himself a lot of money right now for what he's done down the stretch. Because I, I watched him the first six or seven

weeks of the season and I was like man this is a kind of surprise to me this is Ohio State's quarterback and then really since the Purdue game when he got going I saw a different quarterback so I agree with you on that let's see what he could do throughout the playoff and in the all-star circuit three two one who do you have what order and then I think we'll just kind of talk about these guys and I think that we should talk about them under the umbrella of is there anybody that you think the league is going to be high enough on for top five picks things like that and then where you are on with them overall so let's talk about these three here what's your order Jalen Milrow from Alabama at three I don't think that surprises anybody

uh Shadur Sanders from Colorado at two and Cam Ward from Alabama at three. I don't think that surprises anybody. Shadur Sanders from Colorado at two and Cam Ward from Miami at one. We have the same top three in the same order. Okay. Yeah. Because I know you like, you really liked Milrow for a while. So the thing with Milrow and I don't, I'm not changing my stance on the fact that I would love to bet on this player, but it is like we have talked about with a lot of quarterbacks in this class. I want you to draft him to sit. I want you to draft him to develop him. I don't want you to draft Jalen Milrow to try to play him immediately at the NFL level. He is going to struggle. And the reason why I had him at QB one, when we, when we did our

first, you know know quarterback updates is because we were fresh off of the Georgia game and the Vanderbilt game those were the those were the previous two games that he played yeah and the Georgia game he was fantastic and in the Vanderbilt game even though they lost he had an elite PFF grade that that game he was great that game not perfect but he had so many great moments, great plays that he made. So off of that, I looked at those inconsistencies that I saw the year before. I still saw so many of the big time throws. He is the most, I have this in the scouting report, he is the most physically gifted quarterback in this class. When it comes to the rushing ability, when it comes to

the twitched up muscles, when it comes to his just like like the velocity how the ball can fire off of his hands he is the most physically gifted quarterback in this class but as the season went on from that game moving forward the inconsistencies that you worried about with milrow going into the season crept back up and became regular for him they unfortunately became the expectation of what you knew you were going to get with him. So to me, Milrow still brings all of that to the table that I loved. I think that his talents is where the game is going with dual threat ability.

He's got legit 4-3, 4-4 speed. I think the ball fires off of his wrist like an absolute rocket. I think he can hit throws on a frozen rope. But the inconsistency his throwing motion is so fast that if it is not perfect in its fundamentals then that ball sprays that ball goes way further than it and it's different because if curtis rourke is a little bit off it's not that it's not as much of a big of a deal because his arm is moving slower. He's not as twitched up in his muscles. Jalen Milrow, it's like, okay, I'm throwing this football, boom. The ball is out immediately. And when you are firing the ball that quick,

if you are not exactly on your P's and Q's with your fundamentals, which I think that he can be better at, that's when you see that accuracy and that true's and Q's with your fundamentals, which I think that he can be better at, that's when you see that accuracy and that true ball placement fade. So to me, he brings so much of what you love from a potential NFL quarterback, but he needs time and he needs the right head coach. Still love Jalen Milrow, but I had to put him at three because the inconsistencies that I was hoping that he was getting over creeped back up into more of what was expected of him every single week.

Yeah, I mean, I'm with you all the way on this one. Milrow has the best physical ability in this class, but he feels like a creative player right now rather than an NFL quarterback. And that's okay. But just understand it's going to take time. And it's probably why he won't be a top 20 to 25 pick. I don't think so either. I would love for him to go in the second round.

Me too. That's what I would love for Jalen Milrow to go in the second round. But it's just those inconsistencies. The avoiding negatives, 11th percentile. Sacks taken, second percentile. Which got a lot better this year. I mean, this is somebody last year that took 44 sacks. But it's just like, that stuff's got to get so much better.

This year he took 18. The time to throw is 317 like over the last two years like it's just high now i know there's stuff that you love dude look at his third and seven numbers i talked about loving that the third and long numbers for quarterbacks third and seven plus 53.9 percent past the stick so he's trying to do that thing with his arm. 12 big time throws on third and seven plus five turnover compared to five turnover worthy plays. You love what this guy could do with his arm, but then you go to middle of the field stuff. One big time throw for turnover worthy play.

Still at a pretty good PFF grade. And he's okay with throwing over the middle of the field. He doesn't do it a ton, but it's just really the avoiding negatives the the big you know you know what actually i think is the big reason why i'm not even more bullish on him for as much as jalen milrow is great as a runner he had 38.8 passing grade when scrambling. Like, it was not a major part of his game to get out of the pocket. Well, there's runners and there's scramblers. They're not the same thing. Yeah, and he just has not developed into being a scrambling type of quarterback.

Now, Jaden Daniels kind of wasn't that too last year, and now he is at the NFL level, but I don't think that Jalen Milrow is the passer that Jaden Daniels was even last year. So that is another area where you could say to yourself, I think that's a great point that you bring up. You can't go, Oh,

Jalen Milrow, he's really athletic. He's going to make a lot of throws on the run for you. Don't numbers. Don't say that. The tape doesn't say that. Not that he's incapable of doing it, but the inconsistency is that he that he has operating

from a clean pocket only get worse when he runs outside of the pocket and that is a metric that you wish was much higher for a player that you're going to draft because of his athletic ability in a lot of ways so milrow is going to be somebody who is, it's hard for me to quit, but don't draft him like Anthony Richardson. Right. Because he's, you're going to ruin a good thing. You're really, you're going to ruin a good thing, I think. So, I hope he goes to a good coach in somewhere on day two. Insane rushing production, 28 missed tackles forced this year on the ground, 52 first downs, over 800 rushing yards.

He's got the big arm that you highlighted, Trev, but the accuracy because of the mechanics being an arm, he's an arm thrower a lot. Yeah. And the ball just goes flying. I think it's still a work in progress, that timing and route communication with the wide receivers, being on the same page with them. It only gets harder in the NFL where the windows are so much smaller.

This is somebody that has round one traits, but is not a round one prospect, in my opinion. I hope he goes to a situation where he gets to develop because it can all come together for him. He has a really interesting decision ahead of him right now. He's not officially in the draft yet? I don't think so. No. So it'll be very interesting to see what he does. Right.

Because it's kind of like a damned if you do, damned if you don't. In theory, he should go back to school and get better. But he can capitalize on a weak quarterback draft. Right. Because the kid has a lot of traits. Right. So, we'll see what he does. We'll see.

Shador and Cam. Talk about them. Same order for you? Yeah, I have Shador and then Cam. If there's a quarterback that I'm going to take a legitimate franchise chance on, it's Cam Ward. I'm with you all the way, buddy. He just presents you that skill set. Yeah.

And there's things, you know, you're signing up for with Cam Ward. Listen, he's still chaotic as much as he's gotten so much better at. This is someone. Oh, and let me put this. I want to mention this with Milrow because it matters a lot. It's going to transition into Cam Ward. And to be fair, Milrow's volume of running plays into this, so the context is needed.

But Milrow fumbled 13 times last year and nine this year. And it needs context because he's almost used like a running back at times, but it's obviously a high number. Cam Ward, 15 turnover- worthy plays this year 26 big time throws he threw 36 touchdowns seven picks so the turnover worthy plays are much higher than the actual interception rate he ran for 21 first downs over 300 rushing yards he cut down his turnover worthy plays from 21 to 15 this year compared to his 2023 with Washington State. His passing touchdowns went up. His big time throws

went up. This is somebody that started for two years for Incarnate Ward, two years for Washington State, now a year for Miami. Physically, this is what you're getting. even though he's about 6'1 and 3 8's 216 pounds snappy just low effort thrower low effort like i i don't need my whole body to throw the ball yeah i can kind of flick my wrist he's got a lot of arm talent man a lot of arm talent drives the ball outside the numbers the athleticism is quick twitch athleticism to activate the scramble drill cam ward scrambler can he run yeah but he's a scrambler not a runner but when he scrambles like and it's scramble drill time and you got the right receivers you're in trouble because when this guy breaks out of the pocket or resets in the pocket is when he's at his best at times.

Big, you nailed this with Milrow, like not good at throwing on the run. Cam Ward is phenomenal throwing on the run. Yeah. Phenomenal. He could change his arm angles when they run, they run a lot of slants in this offense. He changes his arm angles to understand the timing and the window of the slant to throw it through pass rushers because he likes to throw the ball low and hard so you can catch and run especially the timing him and Restrepo had I thought he while not perfect had a better check down understanding in 2024 like let the play die sometimes it's not perfect but it's it's getting better is how i would frame it he's

got touch on the deep ball he doesn't care about getting hit when he runs he's all about picking up the first down the completion percentage it dropped a lot when he was pressured you're still worried about the turnover worthy play rate that's still high even though it improved he's got to be careful with these cross body throws yeah he drifts yes like that drifting out cross body you can't do it in the NFL very often yeah you really can't yeah it's it's a he's a chaotic brand of football as I said over summer but I thought he made massive strides this year to become what's going to be around one quarterback prospect he's one of the most confident quarterbacks that you'll watch and i absolutely love that about his game you know we talked about how you know like mccord believes in himself you know dylan gabriel believes

himself you just get these quarterbacks that are incredibly confident cam ward is just ultra confident man i mean and it goes back to his background zero star recruit starting an incarnate word nobody believed in him he climbed up what do i have to lose right he climbed up from incarnate word he climbed up to to washington state proved that he could play at the fbs level then he transfers over to miami and he ends up being a heisman trophy candidate playing an incredibly high level i mean dude his first game at miami comes out of the gate in the swamp at florida and absolutely clowns him just absolutely whoops on him and that was the beginning of an incredible season for cam ward who had multiple games recently passer and yeah i mean look a lot of the things that you

that are like the negatives of his scouting report you kind of have to live with some of them i think that they can get better in ways like his sack percentage like his sack rate uh 26 like 26 i think that could be a little bit lower there but 26 percentile i think is good enough avoiding negatives like negatively graded throws that 64th percentile so obviously that can be a little bit better there as well you can talk about the fundamentals i mean if you want to if you want a guy who's got crisp fundamentals at the quarterback position just throw cam ward off of your board like like there's no sense in even talking about him because if that's something that you value above anything else he's just not going to be for you but if you're allowed

to look at cam ward for what he is this is a player who can succeed at the nfl level this is a player that can win games for you year after year as an nfl quarterback are you gonna have to live with some boneheaded decisions yeah or do you hope that they're a lot? Yes, of course. You don't want him to be Jameis Winston, but I don't think he has to be Jameis Winston. I don't think when you're signing up for Cam Ward, I don't think you're signing up for Jameis. I think Cam approaches the game more in a more cerebral way than Jameis does. Jameis is just much more of a wild, loose cannon. I think when people look at Cam Ward's numbers, they think that, but when you watch the tape of Ward, he's not a loose cannon.

He's more Jordan Love-ish than Jameis. Yes, he's so much closer to Jordan Love than he is Jameis Winston. He's not like this crazily reckless loose gunslinger. He's just incredibly confident.

He's just willing to make the throws that you need to make to win football games. And I think that is a good mentality. You don't want to coach that out of somebody. You don't want to not see that. You want to be able to lean into that. My comp forum is, and obviously this is high. This is the high end of things.

But he plays like Big Ben. Like he plays like Ben Roethlisberger, right? I mean, like he doesn't really have mobility to him, but he's got that weird escape ability where people watch Big Ben and he was this escape artist and he'd make crazy throws on the run and he'd make all of these plays outside of structure, but he could also make crazy throws on the run and he'd make all these plays outside of structure but he could also make the throws inside structure and i think that of cam ward now like the ben didn't have like the side on the crazy sidearm releases that ward does so it's

not like a one-on-one comp but the style of play to me that cam ward has is ben rothisberger so there's so much that he does well, and most importantly, he plays the position in a way that you need to play to win football games. My bottom line for Cam Ward, an appreciation of Ward requires a leap of faith for an unorthodox, big-game-hunting quarterback. He is ultra-confident, at times to a fault,

but his mentality could one day make him an all pro player that is if his fundamentals don't drop him from the league entirely so that is how i encapsulate everything that cam ward is but in this quarterback class setting it up as saying who would you take give me cam ward he gives you that ceiling I'm with you he's the guy I would take if I had to bet on a quarterback in this draft that I think can lead our franchise and win us games he's the guy I would take for sure it's just amazing to me Miami in 11 of their 12 games this year scored 36 points or more like think of how many times. That is a Cam Ward stat. They had to answer because the defense stunk.

Cam, can you go get us another? Cam, can you go get us another? Over and over and over again. Battle tested. And sometimes they had to answer because Cam Ward would make the turnover worthy play, but guess what? He can.

He did. Look at that Virginia Tech game they're down in that Virginia Tech game because of him and he and he marches them back to win he gives you that ability man you obviously want to cut down on the turnover he plays there's stuff that you got to live with yeah but yes two losses this year Georgia Tech and Syracuse. He threw five touchdowns and no picks. At some point, he's constantly lifting them. Cam Ward's had an incredible season. And Cam Ward, people hate this, but there is a feeling when Cam Ward's getting the football back

that something's going to happen. Yes. And you've got to watch the games and feel that. And I felt that with Cam Ward every time I watched. Which quarterback strikes fear in defenses the most in this class? In my opinion, it's not even close. It's Cam Ward.

But I do think the guy who is at number two, is at number two for that very reason. Because of how Shador plays the game. Shador, he's not quite built like an NFL quarterback. He's a little bit smaller. I've talked about this before. I don't think he's got the greatest arm in the world. I think Teddy Bridgewater is my comp for him. I've liked it from the very beginning. I'm sticking with it here because even though Teddy Bridgewater didn't have the greatest arm go back and watch that louisville tape from teddy go back and watch teddy when he is playing at his best

he understands how to read things pre-snap he understands how to go through progressions post-snap he gives his players the ability to go make great plays he is not afraid to take a hit and he's got ice in his veins. And that is Shador to me. This is a player who, back against the wall, can play very, very well. Now, ultimately, again, the arm talent worries me a little bit

just because you've got to be such an assassin between the years. I mean, Joe Burrow is basically the ceiling of what Shador Sanders would be, right? And I don't think he is Joe Burrow. But that is what we're talking about here is a player who has to anticipate so well to sort of make up for a little bit of a lack of arm strength there for him. I don't think he's Burrow, but I would say that he's Teddy Bridgewater.

And I think Teddy Bridgewater could have been a starter in this league for a decent amount of time had he not gone through his leg injury so that's how I see Shador in this class is sort of an ice in his veins tough as nails elite processor type of a quarterback who just might not have the best arm out there yeah Shador had a lot of moments this year where he had to answer and he came up big for them like there's no denying that I i've complimented before how impressive he is mechanically which you do everything often looks the same yes and that's that's a you that's a really impressive positive like nothing you know it's not a grab bag of what this throw is going to look like on third and 12 shooter is going to drop back and his feet are tied to his eyes and

he's going to understand how to follow through and accurately throw the football. I like his throwing motion. I think he can shorten it when he needs to, when he feels that pressure or when things get close quarters, kind of tight middle field, short intermediate deep. I mean, Shadur can, can throw the middle of the field. You don't really worry about that with him. You're right, Trevor. He's small. His spring list for us was 6'1 1⁄4, 198. I'm sure he's going to gain a lot of weight for the combine, but he's probably going to play around 6'1 207 throughout his NFL career. That's not big for a quarterback. Physically, you can see that. For how accurate Shadur is and how impressive he is operating the pocket and he's not a runner but he can kind of bounce his way to buy time he still takes a ton of sacks man pocket management

is is the biggest issue from from Shadur Sanders yes 49 in 2023 and everybody was like this offensive line stinks and it did but you can watch the tape and decide what sack is on the line and what sack is on him he still took 37 this year and these are like sixth percentile in sack rate not that's a 99 is what you want for people out there just let you know 99th percentile is what you want he is sixth percentile in sack that's a number that's not going to be kind to him throughout this process because it's it was it didn't really get that much better in college and it's going to be a lot more difficult in the nfl like think of it like this the giants are picking number one imagine the giants throwing shunner sanders behind that offensive line right now you can't you can't

do it right now you'd have to and i get you can't do it because of him too like he's but no that's what i'm saying like he's he's gonna elevate that issue now andrew thomas being back and they've had some bad injury luck i get that but it's i wouldn't feel great about that um he does get caught staring like all these young quarterbacks staring down targets and defenders like he threw eight picks in 2024 some of them he drops back and he's staring it down so shadur he is really accurate another guy too by the way through through four seasons he's fumbled 31 times it's gotten better it went from 12 to 5 to 12 to 7 to 5 back up to 7 he's got to protect the ball better he's got to he's got to all these guys he's got to manage how he operates in the pocket a little bit better for as much as i love how he sees the field pre and post snap for as much as i think he is a good decision maker and he makes a lot of good big time throws i mean how he manages the pocket is i mean it has to improve we talked about the sack right there

but there are so many times where he is he is retreating way too far in the pocket when he could have potentially stepped up now i understand playing behind a bad offensive line, that sort of goes into that mentality, but he's got a bad habit of drifting back too far in the pocket. You mentioned the sacks that he'll take, the fumbles that he has, ball security issues. Basically, what he is in the pocket in non-ideal situations, he must raise the floor of when he is in the pocket. He has to do that when defenses are closing in on him.

But there's no denying it. Like one thing he got a lot better on from that I criticized him over the summer because there wasn't really a sample size of it. I thought he threw the ball outside the numbers on those intermediate throws really well this year. 21 of 29, four touchdowns, no picks. And it's, Shadur's arm didn't magically get better or more talented. He threw with confidence and timing and just really let it rip in those areas.

So that's a big right trajectory part of his game for me. It's pretty when this guy throws the ball it really really is i just think i think our problem with shadur this is probably the larger combo or the largest combo because i think we landed exactly the same on him shadur is a weird prospect because he's dion's kid and with dion everything you know, really amplified and overanalyzed and all that stuff. There's a world where Shador is just a solid quarterback prospect. Like he's a starter at the NFL level in a good situation.

He could distribute the ball. He's accurate. He's pretty smart. But is Shador going to create like Jaden Daniels or how Cam Ward creates? Or is Shador as physically imposing as Josh Allen and these guys? Like you brought it up, like his ceiling is Joe Burrow. That'd be amazing. That's hard to play like that.

I don't think he has that ceiling. You know what I'm saying? Right. That's the ceiling of his archetype is sort of, I think a lot of people just struggle with the fact that Schroeder doesn't have to be an elite quarterback prospect, but when you say that, that doesn't mean you don't think he's a good one,

like a damn good one. He might just be in the middle of the pack NFL quarterback based on his situation. And it's hard for people to process that because he's because he's Deion's kid and everything at Colorado has been flashy and I agree yeah so I think that's why it's a difficult conversation for people to unpack because if you don't think he's an elite quarterback prospect you're considered a hater but if you think the kid if you think the kid if you think Shadur is just terrible you're also you're literally a hater it's there's a floor there yeah but he's honestly

to me not a high variance prospect he's kind of a boring prospect honestly yeah he's kind of boring and that's okay i i have always thought that he's pretty straightforward again bridge water is who i continue to go back to and i think he's bridge water in a lot of ways and i think that that's how I would just describe him. I think it's a good comp. I think it's a really good comp. Just to, obviously, this is early quarterback ranking. So we'll see.

I mean, we've got some things in the combine, things that we'll learn about these guys as prospects and everything. But right now, I know people love like, hey, grades and things like that. I got early grades of some of these guys. Cam Ward certainly filmed great. I gave him second round grade. Shadur Sanders is a late second, early third. And then Jalen Milrow I have as a third round grade

just because of everything he brings to the table with a lot of the variances that I have there. So that's not to say that I don't think a quarterback is going until the second round. We know that the quarterback tax exists for a reason. So we'll do a mock draft, you know, over the next couple of weeks, whenever it is. And we'll probably talk about Cam Ward and Shador Sanders

going in the top five because that's what teams need. But just to let you know, when you talk about like, oh, are there going to be any first round grades? I don't have any first round grades on any of these quarterbacks. The highest is a second round grade. And then after that, it's a late second, early third with Shador.

And then we're getting into Jalen Milrow. Then there's a couple, I think there's a couple others that I have like Beck beck um howard riley leonard they're right around that like third round range kind of a thing and then a lot of these quarterbacks are fourth round mid or like midday three like fourth round fifth round sixth seventh round undrafted free agent type of quarterbacks from what i've seen so far. So just wanted to say that to everybody, because I know you guys ask a lot of those questions. But speaking of questions, we would love to hear from you guys.

We would love to hear from you guys and what you think of the quarterback class here that we talked about for two hours. Oh my God. Our families are wondering what's happening. I think my fiance is actually texting me five times. I haven't responded yet. So you guys, you guys, what'd you say? It's eggnog time. You guys, what'd you say? It's eggnog time.

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I think we'll probably shift over to offensive line or defensive line after that. Knock a couple of those out as we get a little bit closer to the Declaration Days and those All-Star events. Connor, anything else before we get out of here? A very, very Merry Christmas and Happy Holidays to everybody. Thank you so much everybody for another great year i'm sure we'll talk to you before the new year but we'll keep this one rolling

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