NFL Stock Exchange: An NFL Draft Podcast - Final WR and RB Rankings

Episode Date: April 4, 2025

Trevor Sikkema and Connor Rogers give you their top 20s for the WR and RB position in the 2025 NFL Draft. What changed from their early rankings in December, and plenty of talk about where these players fit

Welcome to the opening bell of the NFL stock exchange podcast. Trevor Sicken, McConnell Rogers here with you guys for some positional rankings. We are as of this date, Connor, three weeks from opening night of the 2025 NFL draft and with it the final stretch. So we're going to go through a lot of these positions over the next couple of weeks. We're obviously going to continue the Colab mock draft series in the early parts of the weeks. But the second episode of the week, we want to try to do as many final position rankings as we can get to. So we've done early position rankings. You know, for example, today's topic, we're talking about wide receivers and running backs.

So what's up, Fantasy Devin community? Appreciate you guys watching the show. Welcome back. It's been a while. And the reason why I say that is because, Connor, I think we did early running back and wide receiver ranking episodes in December. I think it was December.

And yeah. We have had a long time since then. A lot has happened. The Shrine Bowl, the Senior Bowl, the Combine. We have since then, a lot has happened. The Shrine Bowl, the Senior Bowl, the Combine, we have heard so much about these wide receivers we'd have more time to watch a lot of these guys and watch more games than the players that we even had before. So today, we are going to give you our top 20. And that isn't even all the guys that we've watched.

From the running back position and the wide receiver position. Connor, how you feeling? We got three weeks to go. You told me you were absolutely grinding out here. Day three players in this position. Sicko hours. True sicko hours. And I know you're doing the same.

You were hitting some numbers you've watched so far. I mean, you are in a god tier right now. We are, these are like, cause it's, you know what's funny, Trev, and we go through this every year, is you log on beginning April and lovely NFL analysts that are just jumping into this, and I'm being serious, I'm not being sarcastic.

They're like, yo, look at what Tet Macmillan did on this play, and then you look at your monitor and you're like, I'm watching a guy that might go in the sixth round if everything breaks, right? Because it's just, that's where you're at. And it's fun, especially when you find the gems, when you find the gems of it. But it is a, it's a grind, man.

Like when you're covering day three of the draft, you gotta be ready for anything. You kinda get the, I'm sure you get this, the weird fear of a pick coming in. You're just like, never heard of that. You don't know who it is. Who the hell is that? Like, right, right.

Terrifying. Wasn't that the Combine? Wasn't that any All-Star event? Didn't play football this year? What, like? How did this happen? But yeah, so that's what it's like. But I'm feeling great, man.

Your wedding was a 10 out of 10. Oh, thank you. We didn't talk about it, because we had a lot to do on our guest collab with, of course, Nate and Charles, which was a lot of fun. 10 out of 10 wedding, I had so much fun. I feel refreshed, ready to go.

The hiatus in the middle of the draft season for just like 72-ish to 90 hours was just perfect. Dude, so one, thank you, I appreciate you being there. I also, dude, thank you so much to everybody. Like all the comments, people who left comments on the YouTube channel, some of you guys reached out to me on Twitter, on Instagram, just.

Very nice. You guys are so nice. I love you guys and I appreciate you guys so much. It was a blast of a time. Thank you so much for all the well wishes, the congratulations, and what we said, whatever it was, two weeks ago, right before we left, I said, hey, I'll take any wedding advice

or just marriage advice that y'all have. Those are good ones. Dude, I just saw you guys. I read them all. Great. Just gave so many of those and I still need to go back over so many of them. So my heart is just very full, not just because of the wedding, but also because of you guys in the attics really just, I don't know, just giving me the congratulations to Alyssa and

I and it just means a lot. That's what I'm trying to say. I'm trying to say that it means a lot and I love you guys a lot. So I really do appreciate it. But it also, dude, I've been telling you about this for years now. Alyssa and I try to take a break between end of the Superbowl and the combine.

And normally we go on a cruise because Alyssa and I have become cruise people. And normally we go in that little two weeks span and it's just what we need to get us to power through the combine and the rest of draft season. The way that you're talking, I think I got you hooked. I'm coming on the cruise, with or without my wife. Yeah, it's, I mean, no, it is.

He's in. Yeah, I'm in. It really is. It's refreshing and you know, cause some people are like, oh, how are you, how are you going to do this? Like, you just pack a couple extra days of work into the front end and then catch up on the back end. And as long as you make a schedule,

it's a little different for you and I too. I mean, we started this class 11 months ago. So it's, you feel like you're in a good place and it was just a nice refresher. And seeing you guys get married was just a truly special, special time. And you bring up an important thing is how just nice and lovely this community is.

I wasn't even getting married. And I read all those comments because there was so many, like people are like, I've been married four years, I've been married three years. And the people are just really, really sincere in this community. And it's just awesome to see and very, it is not, I just want everybody to know as Trevor said,

it does not go unnoticed. Yeah, we really appreciate that from everybody. Somebody in the comment on the last video that we had, the collab mock draft with Nate and Charles, somebody said, oh, for Trevor's honeymoon, he had a fatal four way mock draft. He's a true addict. You're goddamn right I am.

It's true. Oh my goodness. There's, April only comes around once, baby. I ain't missing an episode with you guys. The show rolls on. So this is just gonna be a lot of fun because Connor and I for as much as we do the first round mock drafts and we've done a second round mock draft too We haven't really had the conversation of where these guys are exactly stacking up three weeks until draft night So this is gonna be fun for me as much as it I hope it is for all the listeners and the watchers out there

Getting to our final rankings of these positions. And you know, I say final, I might move up a guy like here and there, but this is pretty much close to where they are going to be when it's all said and done. You mentioned how much we've been grinding through this. I've watched, we're going to do top 20s, because I think that's, we'd be here for five hours if we didn't. Yeah, I watched the PFF draft guide. If you want more, read my NBC final top 300 plus big board. If you'll, I'll be on there. I've watched 32 running backs in this class. I've watched 49 receivers.

Unbelievable. You're watching players that might never see a snap in the NFL. So if you guys got questions on any wide receiver who we maybe don't touch on this show, I probably got takes. That's what hurt me a little when I was getting it, cutting it down to 20. I was like, damn, I really want to talk about this guy. I loved him. But it's just it. And it's a really, really good, especially running back class that there's players outside the top 20 that matter a lot in this draft. But yeah, you know, well, the good news is we don't just stop talk.

We'll do draft grades and draft gems and stuff after the drafts. So it won't be over. And there's actually one why we see it. We'll start with wide receivers. I think that's the position we'll start with and then we'll go to running backs. If there's a player who's like, you know, within the top 25, you want to shout out because there's one for me that I'd like to shout out who like happens to be 21 who I actually want to talk about. We can feel free to do that as well. I think the best way to do this is to just, we're not going to, it's not going to be as in depth. I don't think, although you and I like to talk, so we'll see how this goes. Sorry, Ryan in advance. Um, I think we should go 20 to 11 and then just 10 to one. We've talked about a lot of these guys already on the show,

really just either the new names that might be in the top 20 or a player who's moved a lot for you within the top 20 since our time in December. So I'll let you kick it off. Give me your 20 through 11. And if there's anybody on like just on the outside that you'd love to shout out, feel free to do that. If you guys want to hear us go in depth on what we think of, you know, Tet Macmillan, and you didn't feel like you got that here today, you can go back to the December episode

and probably hear 12 minutes on Tet Macmillan. But this show is really for not only showing the rankings, but talking about players like Trevor said that weren't on the last one or have moved a lot. So 20 for me is a fun one to start with because this was a day three shout out for you that I really, really liked. And he cracked my top 20 and that's Dante Thornton. There it is, baby.

Tennessee size and speed, man. Number 20. And like that's still saying something because I left out some players behind him in this class that are noteworthy guys 19 Savion Williams from TCU for me didn't really move much at all I don't believe 18 a new name to this list and we got a lot of comments about him when he wasn't on the last show That's Nick Nash the wide receiver for San Jose State who was a quarterback and then had a monster year at wide receiver for them.

So Nick Nash cracks my top 20 there at wide receiver 18. Jalen Lane, who we've talked about literally since summer scouting from Virginia Tech, speedy, speedy, speedy wide receiver. He cracks my, he stays in my top 20. He is wide receiver 17. 16 for me, Brew, Brewser McCoy. You know, obviously senior bowl guy. He's had a pretty long college career.

We had a long combo about him, but we'll probably bring him up again. He stays in there in the top 20. 15 for me is Pat Bryant, who was, you know, a shout out for me for day three guys, the Illinois wide receiver, big bodied wide receiver. 14 for me, this is a new name and somebody I do wanna spend time on after you go,

and that's Elijah Badger, the wide receiver from Florida. Go Gators, baby. I loved him, watching him. And I was really late to the party on this one, and I'll get into everything that I really liked about him that made him wide receiver 14. 13, Torrey Horton from Colorado State. Tested really well, good for Torrey Horton, man,

because he obviously lost a lot of time due to injury. He was somebody that it felt like, will he, won't he declare last year, comes back this year, big testing for him. So wide receiver 13. 12, this has been a bit of a fall from grace since summer. And it's Isaiah bond from Texas. Um, I'm sure everybody's been kind of keeping up with bond stock and, you know,

really, really gifted athlete and mover, but there's just a lot of other stuff there that have had him fall drastically down the board. And then, uh, number 11 to round this out before the top 10, Kyle Williams from Washington State, senior bowl guy, speedster. I know a lot of people really, really like him. Williams is a big play threat who, you know, we'll probably talk about again a lot today because he was not a name brought up on our last show. OK. Do you want to start somewhere or do you want to read somewhere? Or do you want to read yours? How do you want to do this? Let's start somewhere for yours.

Badger? Yeah, let's start Badger. Cause you were very passionate about having him at number 14. I have him, I think 25. Okay. And he's 25 for me. But again, I don't know how many receivers

you've gotten through. How many receivers? About 35. Okay, okay. 36?'ve watched like 1415 more than you at this point. So I think there's probably just a lot of names that I have that might be in between there. But I'm very curious. Okay, how do you see him? I him at YC or 14. That's pretty high praise for Elijah Badger. So what do you love about him?

So six one over six one about six one and a half 200 pounds, pretty long arms for a size, 32 and an eighth, big hands, nine and a half inch hands, which is good for that size once again. Ran well, four four three speed, 35 and a half inch vert. When I wrote him up, such an interesting player, right? He averages about 21 yards per reception this year for Florida. You see wins both inside and outside in the offense. He's legit.

He's fast. Like I saw speed, but the ability to stop on a dime. So he he's learned how to use his speed to also kind of incorporate it into that ability to stop on a dime. He doesn't drop passes. He does. And it's, you know, you look at him this year in Florida, where he was this big play threat, but at Arizona State from 2022 to 2023, he

was very, very productive and actually had more targets in 2023. He only had two drops on 99 targets that year. He didn't drop a pass on 61 targets this year. He consistently plucks the ball away from his frame and great body control. Some of the best toe taps you actually watch in this class when you see the body control and the toe taps along the sideline and He's got really good wiggle to make that first guy miss after the catch I think he the play strength needs to get better like you when you watch him against pressed his routes get disrupted

And I don't love how I don't love the lack of sharpness in his routes Yeah, it feels like he knows he's fast and the way like the brakes and the explosive push off, basically watch Emeka Ibuka run an in breaker and watch Badger run an in breaker and you'll see one that's been coached up and does it at a pro level and one that it's not at a pro level yet. I think the speed is more long speed

than initial explosiveness. Like I don't watch him off the line of scrimmage and see corners go into panic mode. I see him kind of over time outrun people. But he has really good ball skills. And even when he's not open, he has body control, tracking, and ball skills to make plays.

So I was just, I thought he was really competitive in contested catch situations. I think a coach can get the route running to an adequate NFL level. And if you do that, this is a legitimate number three wide receiver at the next level. Like it's just, it's impressive. If you believe the route running is going to get better and more diverse, I can see it. Some of what you said is also what I have in my notes.

I think he is more buildup speed than he is twitchy. And because of that, I think that you see just a lack of crispness in his routes. Now when he's running vertically, he clearly knows how to do that pretty well. He can get off the line of scrimmage against press. He knows how to do speed releases. He can dip the shoulder. He can get clean with the corner and get beyond him. So he knows how to win vertically. I just, even with the ball skills, because I do agree with you,

I think that he's got pretty good hands. I just have worries about what he's really going to be outside of a screen game player or a nine ball player. And I don't, I just have my doubts of whether or not he could be more than that. But if you believe that, Hey, you think he's got the natural movement skills to be a better route runner, I can see buying into the lot of the other stuff that he does pretty well. So that's sort of why I think I'm a little bit lower on him. I probably have watched a couple of players that maybe you would have in

between them or that I have in between. Yeah. These next three weeks. That's what this is going to be for. That's what it's going to be for, for sure. Deontay Thornton. So I also have him just outside of my top 20. I have him at 24 is where he ended up being for me. You had him at 20. So this is somebody that I talked a little bit about when we were going through our day three prospects that we really like.

There's a reason why he's a day three prospect, right? Because basically I think that he's sort of the same conversation with Badger, although I think he's more explosive and he's a little the same conversation with Badger, although I think he's more explosive and he's a little bit bigger than Badger is, but these guys are both sort of vertical type of players. Badger will give you a little bit more after the catch, whereas I wish I had a little bit more of that with Deontay Thorne when it came to that creativity.

Catch ball, run fast. That's sort of his thing. Yeah. Catch ball, run fast. I mean, like that's- Run fast, catch ball, run fast. And however you want to say it in whatever whatever order not a bad skill set to have no and that's why I get that's almost the exact conversation that we had for the day three our favorite day three show because it's like okay this guy's limited

which is why he's gonna go day three but if you were a team that goes we need a nine ball wide receiver three wide receiver, boom, there it is. Bingo. He's the guy to do it. Just take this player and he'll be able to just stretch the field vertically for you. I don't know how much of an individual difference maker. He's not a creator after the catch, that kinds of stuff. But as a threat deep and being six foot five over 200 pounds.

Yep. I'm pretty cool with that one. So you have him at number 20. You had, okay, I'm pretty cool with that one. So you have him at number 20. You had, okay, I'm lower on Brew McCoy. I see, I understand like the potential that's there. Is it really just a matter of like, you just think his best football is still gonna be ahead of him here?

I mean, it's tough to say that at wide receiver 16. I think he plays a physical brand of football that is going to allow him to be NFL depth for a long time. If he's if his body doesn't film again, I think that that's fair. I think I as I've gotten as I've done this longer and I've noticed this with you as well because we've been working together long enough now. I there are times that I love to watch a player that's a day three player and go, wow, this guy, he could be a gem. And then there's a lot more times where I go, can I find a number four wide receiver here that can block his ass off and make some possession plays and play on the outside?

If my outside wide receiver gets hurt like your outlook and scouting starts to change a little bit and I think with with brew. I just think he has the size and strength and blocking Almost where I can use him as this physical wide receiver in a lot of different ways that My days of hoping brew McCoy's this freakish number one or two is gone. But I like the floor of him better than obviously a lot of guys in this class. Former number one overall recruit in the country back in the 2019 recruiting class, but he's just been on a winding journey through a couple of different programs since. And this year,

he got a chance to start. It felt like he was sort of behind Cedric Tillman when Cedric Tillman was at Tennessee. And I can understand what you're saying because he is a bigger body player. He's not quite like 6'5", 220, like Tennessee had him listed at. I think he's like just over six foot two and almost 220 pounds, like 218 pounds.

But still, I mean, that constitutes a big bodied wide receiver. So I could see it there. And I understand the floor argument because I do think that once you get into the day three conversation, you're sort of putting wide receivers in lanes. And you're like, okay, there's a reason why you're getting drafted a little bit lower. And that's because you're not as proficient or well-rounded in other areas. But do you do one thing well enough to be on an NFL team? Right. And I think Brew McCoy at least blocks and has size to be somebody who could be at the end of

the wide receiver depth chart. Who is, okay, who's another guy that you want to shout out there from 20 to 11? The two left are Nick Nash and Kyle Williams, because we didn't talk about either of them. We're gonna talk about Kyle Williams later. So if you want to talk about Nick Nash, who I have, where do I have Nick Nash? 27? Yeah, I got him 27 right now. Yeah, I could see that.

You know, he's somebody that, he's newer to this position being a former quarterback. I thought I was going to watch him and I thought he was going to be cheeks, by the way. Yeah, I agree. The story of former quarterback, big slot wide receiver, okay, he never goes against press coverage. He's just going to be manufactured touches. I was like, this dude, he's not going to be good.

And I actually think he is pretty, he's pretty decent. I really do. Yeah. I want to pull up his testing's not going to be good. And I actually think he is pretty he's pretty decent. I really do. Yeah, I want to pull up his testing here in a second as well. The footwork was way better than I thought it was going to be. When I write, I agree, like you could start to see actual wide receiver ability factor into his game. And I guess that's not surprising when a guy goes for almost 1400 yards. I'll be honest with you.

And like his athletic testing was very mediocre, but he's got solid size, really a possession player to me. I think he's somebody that you brought it up, Trevor. The refinement at the position is way better than I expected. Like the route running isn't bad at all. He understands how to generate short area and intermediate

separation, finish plays. I'm going to pull up some of his ultimate stuff here in a second as well. I think the one thing I wish he was a little stronger in is that where I could project even better draft results for him. I wish he was a physical run blocker, because he's not small, but he didn't really. What was his combine measurements?

Do you have that up? I just did, hold on one sec, I'll pull that up. I think he's about like six one and a half, so he's, oh, he's six two and a half. Two oh three. Six two and a half and just over 300. And he only weighs two oh three, because he needed to break a four six 40. He ran a four 203 because he was he needed to break a 4640.

He ran a 457. I think he's going to play at 210. Like this isn't a small player. I think they actually list him lighter. I mean, San Jose State maybe doesn't keep up with that on their school pages as much as, you know. But yeah, you just look at like this is somebody who just found ways to move the chains this year and I think that ability could carry over at the next level 71 first downs.

Once again, I like the shortened and intermediate route running ability. I think he's a legitimate possession wide receiver like he's not going to run by a lot of people down the field highly highly competitive. I thought when the ball was in the air And you are giving a little grace as much as he's an older player or a longtime college player to the fact that the trajectory Has a little bit left in it because

He was a quarterback and 19 for 38 which is wild of 38 contested catch opportunities in one college season But 19 for 38 on contested catches kinda shows the competitive nature of this guy. And the year before that, when his numbers weren't as high, he caught eight at 21. So really, really competitive playing, you know, aggressively to the ball at the catch point for Nick Nash. So he, a lot of people like were shouting him out

when he wasn't in our first show. I didn't expect him to have high enough projections that we needed to watch him for that show. And I was pleasantly surprised that he cracked my top 20 right there at 18. So we'll talk about, wait, well, is there anybody just outside of your top 20 that you want to shout out just really quick?

I mean, a lot. Or is it more running back? It's more, yeah, I have a couple at running back. I mean, I watched both the Georgia wide receivers and Arion Smith and Dominic Levet. Oh, I actually didn't get to them yet. But I didn't love them when I watched them. Yeah, they didn't make my top 20. Arion was all speed. Levet was kind of a shifty or short separation kind of guy.

You know, the one that's tough and admittedly, I wasn't really high on him this summer. And then I saw things I really like this season. And then it's a lot of it is the testing and just it's tough for that profile to have a big NFL career. Restrepo did not make my top 20. And oh, wow. And he is right now 21, to be fair.

Like he just missed, but I get it. The agility is getting open. It's just tough to be an impact player or not even in, like it's, you gotta be able to run at this position. You do, you do. You have to, you have to. And you can't be small and slow. You can't. I know, you do. You have to, you have to, and you can't be small and slow. You can't.

I know, I know. You just can't, like, this is a historical outlier, and I still think he should get drafted. I guarantee in a slot only role, he'll still find ways to get open and catch short area passes at the next level, and he's tough, and he's well built, like, thickness-wise. It's just tough man. That NFL projection it's really really hard. I have liked I have been higher on Restrepo than you have basically wire to wire.

So this is not a this is not that big of a surprise to me. I remember I think one of the funniest moments of us in summer scouting is I think I had Restrepo at five and you're like, at five? Yeah. You're like. And the reason why is, you know, it was a funny reaction obviously

and we had a good time with it. Anybody who's new to the podcast, make sure you stick around for summer scouting because that's when things get a lot of fun. It is hilarious. But you know, the reason why you were, you were, I can understand why you were so shocked at the time is because he is not a great athlete. Like he does not really win with athleticism.

I think he still has a really high football IQ and I I'm leaning into that. So I'll get to him in a second because he is in my top 20. But even though it hurts my heart that he is 21 for you, I think there's gonna be a lot of people that also are like, man, you're not just slow, you're really slow. And when you're small and slow, that's a deadly combo to not really have a successful NFL career.

So I'm still gonna try to trust the tape that I, that I love watching with them, but I do understand it. Um, so for me, for my wide receivers, I'll just shout out a couple of guys that are just outside. I mentioned Elijah Badgers a little bit further down. Same with the auntie Thornton. The guy that I really want to shout out was the player who is at 21, uh, canada Mumfield from Pittsburgh.

He is somebody who I did not watch until last week. I'm gonna be fully honest. I was, I'm already trying- He's still on my list of yet through. He is really fun, man. It's hard to not watch his best stuff. He is inconsistent. I understand, he is.

There's some wasted slash purposeless movement that's sort of in his routes. And there are things that he needs to be more crisp and consistent about how he runs routes and how he gets down the field. But some of the good stuff from him, I mean, the combine is 5'11", 186. So he's a smaller player, but he is smaller

and he knows how to run routes really well when he does it really well. That's that it might sound stupid coming out of my mouth because he is inconsistent but the best plays of him are like him running an in-bait breaking like skinny post but before he does it he sets at the corner to attack the blind spot and then get across his face and creates all that separation and then the ball be thrown it'll be a little bit high and he'll go up fully extending the arms bringing it in really reliable hey like the best moments of Kanata Mumfield make me think there's something there that he could potentially be a wide receiver three at some point throughout

his NFL career so the inconsistencies with him are ultimately why I have him out of my top 20 but he is the one where I went, man, I like this guy. I take a chance on him on day three. So just getting to watch him. I wanted to shout him out there. Number 20 for me. Pat Brian, your top 10. Where'd you have Pat Brian?

I read his name. He was 15th. Okay. 15. Okay. I couldn't remember. So I got Pat Brian, one of the true few ex receivers left in a dying breed here that we have in this NFL draft class I have him at number 20 the wide receiver from Illinois Torrey Horton. I have him at 19

Ty Felton somebody who I was much lower on certainly when we did our wide receiver rankings initially when I watched left on that one Why Felton is 24 for me, but he was higher, I think, the first go around. So I mean, you know, he's 18 for me. And I think that we probably see the player a little bit more similarly. I think I am much just higher on him than I was before. And sure, I'm not totally bought in on him, but I could see a world where he is a successful and rostered NFL player. Number 17 for me. Did you say Tez Johnson's name or is he outside? No, he didn't make my top 20.

See, and, and I, I wrestle with this. Yeah. Yeah, I get it. I have both Tez Johnson and, uh, uh, in this group that I'm talking about here. Tez Johnson is so damn small, man. The only reason why he is still here is because I thought his tape at Oregon was good. And I thought at the senior bowl,

he was basically unguardable. And- Which he has to be in that environment. And that's the thing. And it's like, I don't think he's tanked Dell. I agree. So I think he is firmly a day three player, but it's hard for me to just totally discount.

That's fair. What the tape says, even if he measured it at a historically outlier level. So I have Tez Johnson at 17. I'm wondering if you have watched his player. Have you watched Isaac Tesla yet? No, he was the next. So the last guy I watched out of the 30 whatever

was Thornton who made it at 20. He's literally the next wide receiver I have on my list. Dude, as a big slot. That's what everyone, I see a lot of people saying that. I'm excited to watch him. I might have him higher on my list when it's all said and done. I might be bumping him up a couple of spots because I watched him and did sort of his full eval for the first time Last week as well. Measured his hand at 6'4, 215 pounds. I mean he had a monster

Combine. Yeah, that's when it the buzz really picked up. He let's see Yeah, 6'4, 215 pounds, 10 inch hands so he's got some big mitts to him Yeah, six foot four, 215 pounds, 10 inch hands, so he's got some big mitts to him. Four four three at that size is nuts. 39 and a half inch vert is nuts. 10 foot nine inch broad jump is nuts. I mean this dude had- Six eight five three cone at that size.

Nuts, man. Yeah. So he is a little bit of a background to him. His father Mark ended up playing college football as well. Wide receiver, he played at Hillsdale College with the Chargers. Isaac grew up playing football. He was a quarterback actually in high school,

led his team to a state championship when he was a quarterback. He ended up going to Hillsdale. Hillsdale, yeah. And then, because his only D1 scholarship offer as a wide receiver outside of school was actually Valparaiso, the FCS school. So we ended up going to Hillsdale, played at Hillsdale for three years. They transferred over to Arkansas.

I didn't have a lot of action in his first year, but then this past year, dude, I mean great size speed combination for a slot receiver. If you use him as a slot, he is the ideal big slot wide receiver, really explosive, both in short area and for the long speed. He's got a track background to him. He's also a track guy, very fundamentally sound blocker can play with strength as well. He's got good hand usage when it comes to blocking. He's not a guy that I think he's going to get a lot of penalties.

He's a very willing blocker as well. So you feel good about playing him in condensed sets and in the slot, close to the line of scrimmage. He just doesn't have a lot of experience and there's a little bit of a lack of nuance from him. But brother, like the best of Isaac Tesla reminds me of Eric Decker. And I mean, Eric Decker was incredibly productive throughout his NFL career when he was with the Jets,

when he was with the Broncos. Like I think Tesla could be a third round pick and you'd be very happy about it. I really do. I think that this is a really good wide receiver and somebody who I think could be a gem in this class. So I have him at 16. I have Isaiah Bond at 15. I've got Savion Williams at 14. I've Jalen Noll at 13. I have Restrepo at 12. And then I actually have Trey Harris at 11. Okay.

Yeah. Number one, I'm really excited to watch Tesla. After hearing that and keeping up with the testing, I would almost be surprised if he doesn't end up in my final top 20 wide receivers. Dude, and his teammate, Andrew Armstrong. Armstrong, I'm watching them back to back, but I've got a peek at Armstrong, as I'm watching them back to back, but I've got a peek at Armstrong, and I'm like, there's a lot there for a guy with no buzz, and the way he tested, he was insanely productive this year.

He led the team in receiving yards. I have him at 25, and the only reason why I have him as 25 is he's just not super nuanced. Yeah. Like there's not a lot of sharpness with his routes. Um, his footwork can kind of sometimes be all over the place. So he's got these wasted steps, whether it's off the line of scrimmage or when he's turning in his routes, he just doesn't create a ton of separation despite being big and tall and

fast. His separation percentiles were a lot lower. He has a lot of experience versus presses as an ex receiver, but he doesn't get off of it clean as much as you would want, but dude, great height and length. He's got that explosiveness to him, really good top speed for his size, and he does at least have that experience versus press and that production to him.

So I had him just outside of my top 25, but both of those Arkansas dudes are a fun watch. They really are. So we're going to get into, I'm a little surprised how low you are on Noel. I like Noel. I think he could be a wide receiver too, but I think it's much more likely that he could be a wide receiver two, but I think it's much more likely that he is just a wide receiver three, and that he is a slot type of wide receiver three.

He's super explosive. I think he could be yards after catch guy, but I just see him as more of a wide receiver three type than I do a wide receiver two. Where'd you have Kyle Williams? I haven't named him yet. Okay. Haven't named named yet. OK. Haven't named him yet.

OK. So we're going to have that conversation soon. You know just a big fall from grace for Isaiah Bond. I know that this is the episode that that happened. If you listen to the last wider series of seven months ago. I had so many problems with what I saw on tape compared to the promise I saw over summer. Like I was all in after watching him for summer scouting. Yep. And I just, a lot of reps of doesn't care and wasting and maybe he turns it around, but wasting a very gifted athletic profile.

I'm looking at no, I just pull up Nol's profile because I want to be a little bit more detailed than why I'm a little, I just pull up Noel's profile because I want to be a little bit more detailed while I'm a little bit lower on him. Strength and weaknesses for him. Compact build makes him powerful at the catch point and at contact. Really controlled explosive short area movements which we absolutely saw with his combine testing.

Showed an understanding of importance with nuance of releases. Quick and precise footwork but the weaknesses that I had for him is even though he tested pretty well at the combine, I don't think he plays with that kind of top speed to him to consistently be a vertical threat. And if that's the case, then I think you're going to have a lot of guys who play a little bit closer on you if they don't think you're going to beat them deep. And because of that,

he doesn't have a lot of experience against press. And I didn't feel like he had the playmaker mentality mentality I really gravitate towards when it comes to those players in the slot so I wish I saw a little bit more of that from him my player comp for him is actually Parker Washington who I like Parker Washington and Washington to me is exactly that he's that that smaller more compact explosive guy who will give you a little bit more strength can be a beast at the contest, a catch point despite being a slot receiver. That's the way that I saw Jalen Noel.

I think Noel maybe has a little bit more juice and I think he's got a little bit more draft hype to him. So I think he'll get drafted above where Parker Washington got drafted, but that's sort of the player and how I similarly see those guys there. So that's why I'm a little bit lower on Noel with him. I mean at 12 and a good receiver.

Yeah, yeah. Noel reminds me a little bit of Josh Downs, who I'm a pretty big fan of right now. Of course, yeah, you should be. You should be. I think there's a lot of similarities between them. Yeah. I think we wanna get into,

so we can kind of cross this bridge of Williams, who we just missed for me, he was 11 for me. Yes, we can do that. Like we said at the top of the show, there's a lot of other wide receivers. We're trying to give you guys as many names and sort of the rankings of where we have these guys as possible.

Please feel free in the comments to fire off, hey, what are your thoughts on this player? You know, I think that he could be a little bit higher. Where do you see him fitting, things like that. We'll be able to answer a lot of those questions in the comments section. We can have the Kyle Williams conversation if you want, cause he's 10 for me.

Okay, I guess we think the same of him because I have him at 11. Yes, so let's talk about Kyle Williams and then we'll read the rest of the top 10s here. So again, as Connor likes to say, full transparency, we didn't watch Kyle Williams when we did the December wide receiver rankings, at least I didn't. No, I didn't either.

I knew we were gonna see him in mobile, so I didn't feel an urgency necessarily. So you got him at 11, I got him at 10. Let's hear about him, what do you think? Yeah, so I'm pulling up, when I wrote him up, here in a second, let me just, listen, the place, like dynamic play speed, right? That's the first thing that's gonna jump out to you

with him is just that This is somebody that can affect the game in a big playability kind of way And and that's going to that's going to translate at the next level 5 10 5 8 1 90 short arms and small hands but 4 4 40 36 and a half vertical Fifth year senior started his career at unlv I'll write out some of the strengths.

Like big time play speed to create explosive plays. He had 26 catches for 15 plus yards. The feet are very, very quick in his release package. And there's times where guys playing press realize they're in trouble very, very quickly by how just precise his feet are getting off the line. You know the phrase, if he's even, he's leaving. That's Kyle Williams.

That is Kyle. The longer the play goes on, the faster he gets. Well, what I like about it is, because I'll kind of do a contrast here, he's more competitive at the catch point than you would think. Really short arms, small hands, light, and just dogging him when the ball's in the air. And I think part of that is it's that he is,

like you said, if he's even, he's leaving, he's already in a competitive advantage because he puts you into recovery so often. So then when you can match that with a competitive mindset, a, you know, see ball get ball like I watched Arian Smith from Georgia and he's a track guy, he can run by pretty much any human in the world. There's zero ball skills. So when you're putting somebody in recovery, but you have zero ball skills,

it becomes it becomes even again, really quick where they reposition themselves and you're not positioning yourself well or you don't have natural hands. But I thought Williams was very competitive at the catch point. Speed with him without the ball. Like they use him in the screen game a lot

and he's dynamic. He really is very slippery in the open field, jukes all over the place. They use him quite a bit on reverses and he gets the corner. Like it's like, it's a foot race and it's like, oh, they lost again. There goes Kyle Williams on the reverse

that we've seen on tape for seven weeks and we lost contain again. That's how fast he is. So. I agree, I'm with you. Yeah. There's a couple easy drops. Like it's lost the concentration

or didn't track the ball perfectly I think he under sells his routes I think he's so fast that he's just like I'm just gonna run by this guy And it's like man you start to sell those routes a little more especially against some NFL corners that run in the four threes It's gonna only bring out the best in his game So there's some fundamentals of his game that need work, but the playmaking and speed you can't teach. I see him as a day two pick and I think it's crazy because he doesn't have the arm length or hand size

you would hope for for an outside wide receiver or the weight. And it just doesn't really matter that much. Jaden Reed is my comp for him. Yeah, that's a good one. Built very similarly. I think they win. I think they, the, not the size of the dog,

but the, what is it? It's not the size of the dog. The size of the dog in the fights, the size of the fight in the dog. It's the size of the dog. It's gotta be your bowl. No, okay, anybody that gets the Tom Boyle line, I appreciate people for saving me there.

Okay, so I do agree with you. I think that this guy's awesome. I think the measure bowls are really the only thing that's really holding him back. And the fact that he has as many wins as he does while being as short as he is with his little, his small arms as he has, his small hands he has, I mean, it just showcases what a technician this dude does

and how much he wants to be great at the position. So I really do think that there is a world where Kyle Williams can be that strong wide receiver three for the team and somebody who could be a, a difference making player in an 11 personnel format. So I do like Kyle Williams a good bit. He gets off the line of scrimmage very quickly. And again, if he can win clean, which he does a lot, boy, is he gone. But I mean, there were so few players that were able to keep up with him in

his tape this past season. And because of how good he is with his feet off the line of scrimmage, that happened a lot. And I think because of that, you see very high separation scores from him, um, both in single coverage and just overall situations. So big fan of Kyle Williams. I had him at number 10 obviously. And so that's a good way to start the combo.

Okay. Well, who, who do you now have a 10 through one? So number 10 for me, by the way, I thought Kyle Williams body and play style was a little Eddie Royal ish that it's like really slender, smaller, but can get over the top of you and win the ball. And there was a lot of similarities there with just the kind of receiver they are in the athleticism and build.

I see it. 10 for me, Elikio Manor from Stanford. I didn't have like a ton of crazy action in my top 10. Hater! Yeah, I guess I'm low man on I-O Manor. Yeah, yeah, it's fine. Yeah, we'll see how that works out. No, it's fine. Yeah, we guess I'm low man on Iow Manor. Yeah, yeah, it's fine. Yeah, we'll see how that works out. No, it's fine.

Yeah, we'll see how that goes. Nine, Jalen Royals from Utah State. Yeah. Eight, a player has grown on me quite a bit. I just know if it's just like, just kept watching him. And it's not just because I really enjoyed my conversation with him, because it was before that. But Trey Harris at eight.

I don't bet on guys like this a lot and I think it's just gonna work. I just think he, that's like, you got, you're either, there's no fence sitting with Trey Harris. You either think his ability playing in a phone booth and out-bodying and out-muscling and is gonna work at the next level or it's not. There's no in-between and I just kinda think with Trey, he's just got it.

I think some people just have it. And I think Trey Harris has it. I have him at 11, which is a lot higher than he used to be for me. Yeah. I thought that the 2023 season was a lot of gimmicky stuff. Yeah. Like I just, I didn't really feel like he knew

how to get off the line of scrimmage cleanly. I thought he was just either a contested catch or honestly just a nine ball wide receiver. This year the release package was diversified. He knew how to attack leverages both inside and out and I did not feel like he knew how to attack inside lever or sorry outside leverage nearly as well the year before. So he's getting better in that regard. I still sometimes wish he was a little bit more dominant at the catch point because of his size, but he is he brings great speed these big long strides and he's an explosive player.

And so my comp for him, my comp for him is Alec Pierce because of just like what Pierce is as a bigger bodied vertical threat. I think I like him more than Alec Pearce, but it was hard for me to find like a style comp that wasn't then, okay, now I'm talking about like wide receiver ones because I don't think he's as dominant at the catch point. But I was really encouraged by the improvement that he had this year before he had that groin injury and he got hurt And he missed a bunch of time. So that makes me feel like Even with him being a little bit older of a prospect. He is still getting better at this

There is still more in the tank. There is still room to grow for him And if that's the case, he is a big tall long athlete who could threaten vertically consistently So I had him at number 11, so I'm not that far behind you with Trae Harris. Yeah, I'm buying in. I also like this year they asked them to like crack down and block on linebackers. And it was like, okay. Didn't bother him at all.

I think he's, his DNA is a little different than a wide receiver. It's so many wide receivers. I mean, have a very stereotypical DNA. And I felt like there was just a little bit more sandpaper to Trey Harris. Number seven, Jack Bash. Bash has only been rising throughout this process.

He just does the little things right and catches everything. Number six, a player you despise and called undrafted, Jalen Noll. Five. You have him at six? Yeah, I have him at six. I think Nol's very good. How much do Iowa State pay you to have both their guys in the top six?

I know. What's the NIL deal? All of a sudden you just see like merch behind me over the next couple weeks. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I'm an honorary cyclone. I'm giving the speech at the graduation. I didn't even go there. You didn't even go here. Just the mascot's gonna be right behind you

for the next show that we do. Yeah. You're actually, your background is just going to every show have a new piece of like Iowa State merch, you know, just very gradually. The helmet behind you is gonna become an Iowa State helmet. Like both the home and away helmets. Oh, it's like now both helmets are Iowa State.

What's going on here? That'd be great. Hey man, I hope the pockets are deep. That's all I'm saying. I hope that they're paying you well. If you're gonna sell out, sell out big. Five, Luther Burden. I mean, well, we probably need to have

a Luther Burden combo. Four, Matthew Golden. I'm not as high on Matthew Golden as consensus seems to be. I like him. Obviously, I'm at four. In this wide receiver class, being at four isn't like being at four last year.

I think he's gonna be a good pro. I like the routes, the hands, the timing. He just, he plays with refinement. I don't think he plays to his timed 40. He's fast enough. I don't think he's gonna take the top off your defense all the time. He's just solid.

He's a solid number two for me. Three, Jaden Higgins, who I've been very high on for a long time. That didn't really change. Two, somebody I do like, I think more than most. I just think Emeka Ibuka is phenomenal. And I think he has fallen victim to being Robin to Marvin Harrison's Batman and then Robin to Jeremiah Smith's Batman. Right. And at

some point we're all gonna be like, wait a minute, this guy's awesome. So I'm buying in on a mecha abouka. And then one, I'm very brave for this, because this isn't cool anymore. I still think Tett McMillan, if I didn't evaluate Travis Hunter as a wide receiver for this show, we'll see where he plays. Oh, I have him in here just because. You do have him in here. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Okay, so I'll mention this quickly. Like, I think Travis Hunter would be my number one wide receiver. Oh, he would be? Okay, okay. Yeah, but I still am stacking him as a corner right now. We'll see what happens. But I'm very brave of me to have Tett McMillan

as the number one receiver in this draft. I know it is not cool anymore. It's like wearing baggy pants when taper came in at this point. Or like walking out the house right now and your jeans are just fully shredded or you got you have you have a snap back on in the fitted era that's what having Tenton Millen is at number one right now and so what okay so say that say it to me again really quick six six there six through through one. All right, number six was Jalen Noll, you hate him.

Five, Luther Burden, four, Matthew Golden. You hate him. Who? Luther Burden. No, no, no, I said you hate Jalen Noll. No, and then I responded and said that you hate Luther Burden. I guess, I have him at five.

Yeah, tough fall. Technically he's six if you throw in Travis Hunter. If you threw in Travis Hunter, he would be six. This is facts. Erroneous. This is- Erroneous on all accounts. Erroneous is an underutilized, excellent word. Four Matthew Golden, three Jayden Higgins, go Iowa State, go Cyclones.

Two Emeka Ibuka, one Tet Macmillan. If they don't, if their social media people don't pump this up, they're doing something wrong. You know what's funny? When we did summer scouting many moons ago, their social media team did something, cut out our show talking about Will MacDonald, and made like a Will MacDonald hype video

before Will MacDonald's final season. And I had no fucking idea until the Jets drafted him a year later. I was like, oh, this is pretty cool. Like, it was really cool. So maybe Iowa State will clip something from this. Maybe they won't care at all. Yeah, maybe they won't.

Probably won't, they probably have never heard of us. Maybe they won't care at all. What is Matthew Berry saying? Oh yeah, it was from the Stock Exchange football show. Oh man, he says something different every single time. I know, I Oh, yeah was from the stock exchange football. Oh man He says something different. I know I know I know And then it always ends with terrible name for a podcast what and it yeah. Yeah, it's Matthew yeah, come on. You're cool unbelievable shade

Okay, so for me And we do need to have a couple of conversations here Kyle Williams is 10 for me. I already said that. Jalen Royals, number nine. Oh, samezies. You love when that happens. Most underappreciated wide receiver in this class. Without question.

I would say so. Like, I'm pretty confident he's going to be a very good pro. I mean, just the most underappreciated, never talked about wide receiver in this class. Damn good football. You have to like wonder what does he have to do at this point? I don't know. I don't, I mean, could easily be wide receiver too on a team in the NFL. I think he's the only player that was the same from summer scouting to the end of the year.

He was, I think wide receiver nine for me in summer scouting and wide receiver nine now. And just was solid this year. I think wide receiver nine for me in summer scouting and wide receiver nine now and just was solid this year. I know he got banged up. Senior bowl tapes good. Testing is good. He can play inside and outside. I like him.

He plays a lot outside. Brother, he can play X, he can play Z, he can play slot, he can play every spot. Big body. Good body. Big body dude. Doesn't always play with the speed that we saw from the combine, but there are times when he does. I agree. I do think that I almost wonder though, like when you really start to watch more and more

and more Jaylen Rose, you're like, man, and then a little bit more like more offense, offense with more firepower. I think that speed would come out more. Dude, and here's the thing. Like, I think I watched him initially and I, and I said to myself, well, I don't know if he plays as fast as he should. And then I saw it. If you look at it from a different lens, another way that you could look at it is

simply saying he tempos his shit. He does like he just tempos how he moves. And I had a good wide receiver shirt and tempos his shit. He does like he just tempos how he moves and I had wide receiver shirt and tempos his shit tempo your shit. But like, I watched him again last week as we were kind of getting ready for the show. And he just knows how to he plays a little bit slower because he's trying to make things as easy as possible for his quarterback. But then the second the ball hit his hand hits his hands. He's off to the races. Yeah, he's trying to make things as easy as possible for his quarterback. But then the second the ball hits his hands, he's off to the races.

Yes. He's going. He gets off field very quickly. There's no BS after the catch. I just think he's not talked about enough. I think he's a really good football player. He's going to go in the top 50 to the Packers or whatever it is. I don't know if he's going to go in the top 50. Yeah, I don't know either, but. He's going to go like top 75, I feel like he should. But I agree.

So I have Jalen Royals at nine, I have Jack Besh at eight. I have Jaden Higgins at seven. I have Elikiyo Maynor at six. I have Matthew Golden also at five. So we are in the same boat when it comes to Matthew Golden. Yeah. I have a Mecheg Bukka at four. I have Luther Burden at three.

I have Travis Hunter at two. And then I have Tetra O and Macmillan at number one. I'm wearing my baggy pants and snapback hat straight out the door. And it just and I'm wearing a giant shirt that says Tetra McMillan wide receiver one. Yep. I don't know how it became so uncool to think that a good wide receiver was good, but here we are. I don't like this stuff because I've I interviewed him at the Super Bowl and we spent quite a bit of time with him before and after and these these things move quick but I like this stuff that's like all from an interview from years ago, does he not watch tape or?

Dude, it's just I was so pissed when I saw that because I'm like, this dude is awesome to be around. It's all about football. What are we like? What are we doing here? We don't need to do this because I think that there's a lot of people out there that are sort of down on Macmillan because they were already seeing his name drop a little bit on consensus board and people are trying to figure out why, right? It's, it's okay. Is there some unspoken truth where, you know,

draft analysts or people are learning something behind the scenes, they're talking to their NFL people, they're telling them something about the player and Macmillan has kind of been just gradually going down consensus boards. And then this video comes out where he's in the cafeteria and he's eating lunch. And he says like, no, I don't, I don't watch football really at all. Um, I don't like watching tape. Uh, I watched tape with the wide receiver room, so I don't really

watch tape individually. I don't, I don't know what has happened since with him. That video is two years old. That video is him after his freshman season when he was in Arizona. And a lot of people are just tweeting it out as if it happened yesterday. And so again, he might think the same,

but it's hard to watch who he has become as a wide receiver and the prospect that he is now for the NFL and to think that that would be the case. So I just, what pissed me off is the lack of context. It's garbage. Who were just tweeting out that video like, oh, look at this. This happened recently basically with with Tad McMillan. And so regardless of whatever you want to think about, like if you want to think that his game doesn't reflect, you know, him watching a lot of film or he doesn't love football, maybe he didn't magically fall in love with watching football over the time over the next two years. I can fully understand that.

But at least give the context of if you're going to show that video, say this video came two years ago after his freshman season when he was a 19 year old kid in the cafeteria for an offseason vlog that he posted on YouTube. Right. It's utterly ridiculous. And it's funny to me, I never hear people explain why they don't like Tent McMillan. I don't know either. Ever.

I never hear people. Again, people say the speed. Okay. Drake London never ran. Drake London did all right for himself. Now, is he as aggressive as Drake London at the catch point? No, but I'd say he's more coordinated even than Drake London is at the catch point.

So I think it's a little bit of give and take. You don't have to be a carbon copy anyways. You know what? Everybody could just let Tetro and McMillan fall to the Buccaneers in the third round and they'll draft them there and that'll be Mike Evans replacement. That'll be good with me.

Let's have the Luther Burden conversation. So you have him undraftable. Yeah, undraftable overall in wide receiver rankings. Yeah, why did you ever say my UDF a grades begin if you included Travis? Tough class folks. You better hope you get a hookah or or it's a or else You're not getting it's kind of a place. There's some my grades go right now first round round, first second, undrafted free agent. You're either changing the franchise or you're out of here. Hit the road. Take a hike.

Go return puns. All right. Talk to me about Burden. All right. So look at the Burden. Perplexing figure to figure out this year. Obviously, I loved him coming out of summer after the monster season. This year was frustrating, I think him coming out of summer after the monster season.

This year was frustrating, I think, for a variety of reasons. I think that. There's just a lot in this offense that doesn't do him favors. I think that includes the throws that includes the usage. I mean, his yards per reception did drop three full yards this year. And you look at I don't think that's a Luther Burden stat, man. Right, that's fair. But I also saw just the fact like when things got tough,

I didn't love the body language all the time. And I think that's a situation where like things are gonna get tough in the NFL playing this position. you're not always going to get the ball and the offense isn't always going to be the way you want it to. I wrote down he has a bigger ceiling in the right NFL offense. I think it's interesting that we've talked about this Trevor. He played almost exclusively out wide in 2022 and then you look at the last two years and it's like 80% slot snaps. I don't think he can't win outside. I don't.

I think he will be playing a lot more, I think he'll play in the slot plenty at the NFL level, but I think you could put him outside and have him try to win. I still love the body control, the adjustments, high pointing. I thought in 2023 he was very explosive and creative after the catch.

I didn't see him match that level this year. I think that for his size, he's somebody that is good in congested, congested catch situations. Like not just contested, but like I'm going through traffic and there's gonna be arms trying to chop over the top or go under and through me. I just, I thought he was a lot... It just felt like he was more resilient in 2023 and something this year just feels like

things weren't going his way. It wasn't always going their way and it just didn't sit well with him at times where I like him enough to still have him as the fifth wide receiver in this draft. But there are concerns to me for sure. And I just thought the four guys I had ahead of him were just better football players this year. There's like no way around it. Tett McMillan, Emeka Ibuka, Jaden Higgins,

and Matthew Golden were significantly better football players this year than Luther Burton. On the, like that's just a tape of it, eval. That's not me saying I've heard, and Matthew Golden were significantly better football players this year than Luther Burton. That's just a tape of it, Eval. That's not me saying I've heard, like I know the quotes fly around Luther Burton's Devo or an NIL kid or whatever all these things fly around. I'm not factoring in any of that stuff. I'm just looking at the tape in this situation and it was a tough drop off for him, but I still think 80% of that 2023 player is in there. I would agree with you. And I'd lean into that a lot.

I felt like there were a lot of shortcomings in their offense. Oh, it's brutal. Dude, I was watching, I can't remember, I cannot remember which game it was specifically, but like they ran a wide receiver in motion, where he is coming behind the line of scrimmage to get some momentum. They hike the football while he is still running and then they basically throw him orbit motion.

I know Miami does a lot of that. Yeah. I mean, they're running. They he had, I think, six catches on that. And it's like, holy cow, you don't trust your offense at all. Shallow crosser? At all. Screen? So like, and there's no doubt about it, you're right. He was not nearly as productive as the guys that you have ahead of your list. I think his better days are ahead of him.

I think he is much closer to that 2023 version that we saw of him than the 2024. It's also very, I can understand people say like, well, he didn't run a lot of diverse routes this year. Well, he's not a good route runner because he just comes from this lot It's very hard for me to watch how this guy changes direction and his body control and not think that with a good wide receiver Coach he can't not only be a good wide receiver when it comes to route running a great route runner I genuinely believe he has the athletic ability to be that yeah, and you get him with a good wide receiver coach

And I'm still all in I think I'm gonna have Luther Burden still as a top 20 player for me. I still like this guy a lot. Matthew Golden, I'm with you. I'm a little bit lower on him than I think some other people are. I think he's a really good wide receiver, but I feel as we're getting a little ahead of our skis here

with sort of like, oh, can he be wide receiver one off the board? Is Dallas thinking about him at 12? You know, like that kind of thing. I think that's a little rich for me, although I still do like the football player and that good book is one of the easiest evals you'll do just great football player. And then really the only other ones is like, I think the LLoc IOMader and Jayden Higgins like are right there for me. I've got LLoc IOMader at six, I got Jayden Higgins at seven. I think both of those guys win in very similar ways.

I think I O Maner is actually, I think he plays with a little bit more athleticism on the field, despite the fact that Higgins tested a little bit better than he did, but I think Higgins has a little bit quicker footwork off the line of scrimmage, and I think he has just that longer, bigger frame to him. So it's really kind of a coin flip

of whichever guy that you would want. Io Manor has just been one of my dudes. I also just the X factor of what puts him over the top for me is just his willingness, how fundamentally sound and how strong he is as a blocker. Oh, yes, it's crazy. And that gives it just the edge for me. So that's why I ended up having him just above Higgins right in that wide receiver six wide receiver seven range.

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Yeah, let's let it rip. Let's go 20 through 11. What do we got here? All right, 20 through 11, Devin Neal from Kansas is there. Oh yeah, 20. 20, I know it kind of feels weird because I feel like Neal is somebody I feel really good about playing for quite a bit. Yeah. And I have him at 20.

It's one of those bizarre things. I have him. So I have him at 11. I get it. But I also get it. I'm just, I have guys in front of him that are more upside, but they're not. He just, he's not an athlete.

He's not, but he has good vision. He's tough. I know. He's smart. Like it's, he's not an athlete. He's not but he he has good vision. He's I know smart like It's he's a workhorse. I know so funny that we started out with Devin Neil with you having him at 20 I hated having him at 20. You should I hate having him in 11 disgusted with myself 19 Raheem rocket Sanders from now, South Carolina He's an interesting one. It's probably a combo there. 18, Jarquez Hunter, who I believe we did talk about Jarquez quite a bit out of Auburn on the first go round. This running back class is so ridiculously deep that I started

out with Devin Neal at 20, Rocket Sanders at 19, Jarquez Hunter at 18, Woody Marks from USC at 17. Let's go. Not getting enough love. No, getting no love. Look, who cares? I'm a coward and I have him at 23, but he's the guy who I'm like,

okay, if I'm shouting out somebody on day three, this dude could actually be a receiving back for you. Yes, that's the trick, and that is also the trick with number 16 in Jaden Blue from Texas. Okay. Like if you're playing him on the field, you need to be throwing him the football.

15, I've never been more frustrated with what to do with the player in Ali Gordon, the second. I have him at 15. I did not make my top 20. And I, listen, there's nothing wrong with that. He hates me to say that. I pains me to say that. He did not make my top 20. And I, listen, there's nothing wrong with that. He hates me to say that. Hates, I pains me to say that.

He did not make my top 20. 14. I think if you were drafting a big back, Raheem Sanders is the one that you would draft, in my opinion. It's like flip a coin of what your tape you watched between them. Right, I just think that at least Sanders has better long speed at this point.

Oh, but like it's not even close. Yeah, yeah. It's not even close. I have Sanders ranked above Olly Gordon. 14, Jordan James from Oregon. Who's a good player? Like, yeah, he's a good player. 13, shout out to you. I feel like this is a pretty big raise since last time

and still not enough for the lovers of this player, RJ Harvey. Oh, hater. I know. I don't know what to do to make you people happy. You were trying to give me props for it and I just immediately called you a hater. I don't know what to do anymore.

If I don't have RJ Harvey in my top six, I'm just, I'm cooked. I bet if he played for Iowa State, he'd be in your six. He'd be number one. That's as simple as that. Go cyclones. Number 12, a name that you have definitely not heard

on this show and that is Jacori Krosky-Merritt who had eligibility problems this year. But Trevor, I know you got to see him at Shrine. Holy smokes, this dude could run. He can, like he can. And he tested really well. There's Krosky merit. We'll talk about him and then number 11 DJ Giddens from Kansas State. I Don't know what people don't like about DJ Giddens, but he is athletic. He's explosive. He makes you miss

DJ Giddens said I think DJ Giddens is going to go on like the fifth or sixth round. I have met 11. I I'm praying to the gods that this is Kyle Shanahan's favorite running back. Oh, yeah. And I'm just like, yep, nailed that one. So we'll see TBD. What's Jordan Mason's measurements? Let's run the numbers on this. Yeah, hold on here. Jordan Mason. Because he didn't he didn't get invited to the combine, I don't think. Well, they took Garendo last year. They what?

They took Garendo last year. Yeah, yeah, yeah. But I think Jordan Mason is built similar to DJ Giddens. Yeah, so Giddens is six feet and a quarter, 2'12", ran a 4'4", three, jumped 39 and a half inches, 130 inch broad, is 96th percentile. Yeah, Jordan Mason is listed at 5'11", 2'20", so kind of similar.

I was probably Giddens testing weight, so yeah, he'll be closer to 220 than 212 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. I can see this. I see the connection. I see the vision. I like it Okay, my top 20 or just outside of my top 20. I had rocket Sanders. I have rocket Sanders at 21 I have somebody outside my top 20 that I think is my favorite player in the draft. Oh, yeah Who is it? Lan Larison from UC Davis. Holy smokes. It's. How's she your favorite player in the draft and you got him outside the top 20? Well because I couldn't leave Devin Neal out. I could not after all my minions ran the numbers in the spreadsheets

I could not leave Devin Neal out. That would have just been sinful. But Landlarison, the mustache, the fact that he just the mustache. Yeah, great mustache. They play him literally everywhere. Like there's not a spot in the field he does not play besides guard. It's ridiculous, ridiculous. He had over twenty three hundred combined rushing and receiving yards this year. Yeah, Len Larrison. I mean, an all star. He's the white Christian McCaffrey.

That is the stuff right there. He is. He is the white Christian McCaffrey. Yeah, I think he's. We'll have to do some kind of show where we talk about our favorite UDF. He's or something totally unhinged. And this you just did just to talk about him for 30 minutes. Yeah, he's insane insane Okay Great catcher. Yeah, it's well

Well, this is the show for the guys in the top 20, but we'll find a spot. We're so Raheem Sanders I have a 21 Taj Brooks from Texas Tech, I have a 20. Just missed for me. Yeah. Love the vision. I think he's got great vision. Well, I actually, I should say, I just love like the contact balance. Like I love how he sees the field. I love the elusiveness. It's like a little bowling ball. Dude, the footwork to him too. I mean, he can make you miss in a phone booth. The thing that really just gets me hung up on him is I don't think he's very fast because he doesn't play like it. And I think that affects his vision.

Like I looked at this player and I was like, okay, I, there are some plays where I feel like he sees the field better than any other running back that I've watched in this class. But then there are moments where he does not choose a rushing lane or does not, it does not make a cut because he's like afraid that he can't outrun defenders because I don't think he can. There's no straight line speed. But what am I supposed to do with that?

I know. I know. And what's wild is he had a 93rd percentile shuttle. So the agility is like out of this world. That shows up on tape. Yes. All the time. It feels like he could literally like get around a bear

in a phone booth with how, like the shuffle he has. But you're right, Trevor. Like when it's time to just go. I mean, his 40 yard dash wasn't as bad as I thought. No, it was totally acceptable. Four or five, two. I don't, I just. I didn't think he played fast at all, honestly.

No, no, it bugs me because I really like this football player, but it's a lot like the Devon Neal conversation. I had Bayshaw Tootin at all. No, no, it bugs me because I really like this football player, but it's a lot like the Devon Neal conversation. Um, I had baseball tootin at 19. Oh my God. Virginia Tech guys, like a hit, like a gunshot. You got him in the top 10 sniper across from my house right now. You got him in the top 10. 19, 19. We can talk about it. Yeah. This is a safe space. No it's not. The Bayshall Tootin' and R.J. Harvey wars are going to like spread starvation across the country at this point. Look. I'm calling my banners for this. Fine. I got Jon Snow. That's fine. That's fine.

Cool with me. Call your banners. Yeah. I got Marcus Yarns from Delaware at 18. Okay. He just missed for me too. It's basically like him or Joe Covey's marks, like Woody marks for like who do you want is the better receiving back in the class.

You're driving them for the same reason. Yeah. So I like Marcus Yarns a little bit more than I like Marks. I would like Marks more, but I just, I don't know why. He just, like he runs into defenders. Yeah, it's a little odd. He just runs straight at defenders. And I'm like, buddy, you've got the agility

and the speed to not do this. You don't have to do this. I know. The name of the game is actually getting clean, running away, finding space. And I think that Marcus Yarns just does that a little bit better. So that's why I have him a little bit.

Woody Marks though, can be like a third down king. Cause I like the pass bro. I like the pass bro a lot. I agree with you. I agree with you. I think that Marcus Yarns could be a good receiver as well. But anyways, I have your boy, Kyle, I'm a Nunguy at 17. Another gunshot.

No, I knew that was common. That's totally fine. You have a guy in the top 10. I'm at 10. OK, all right. All right. I just. Listen, I get it. Yeah, he just he not everybody's willing to drive a Honda Civic for 200000 miles. Look, you're a luxury guy.

You're a luxury guy. I currently drive a Toyota Sequoia that has 260,000 miles on it. So don't you come to me. It's got muscle though. Don't you come to me. It's got muscle. I just don't know if the speed's there, man.

I love the pass probability. I love the fact that this dude has never put the football on the ground one time in his college football career. He is as strong as an ox. He is a football player mentally between the ears, underneath the helmet, whatever you want to say. I just don't think he's very fast. And it's hard for me to prioritize any sort of back that doesn't give you that athletic upside. I have Khalil Mullings at number 16. Okay. Former linebacker converted over to running back. Is he going to give you any creativity? Probably not. Battering ram. Is he going to use his body like a battering ram from

Lord of the Rings and Helms Deep? Yes he is. Yes he is. And sometimes that's all I want. And so I got him at 16. Brichard Smith from SMU. I have him at 15. I like it. He's another guy just right on the outside there looking in and it kind of crushes me to not have him in. Former wide receiver, just excellent footwork. The route running background shows up in how he makes you miss with miss tackles force

and the agility. He's got great hands obviously. You can use him really well out of the backfield as a receiver. I think he is a really good football player and somebody who I think is on the fast track to at the very least be a scat back or receiving back type in an NFL backfield. Jarkes Hunter, I have a number 14. Just a really smart football player, high IQ football player. Really like the way that he sees the field. Low center of gravity. I think he's built very well. He's not the fastest dude in the world, but there are some times where he's got a little bit of scoot to him that you didn't expect, but ultimately I just think this is a really reliable guy. The worry with me for him is I don't know if he has like a standout

difference making like Trump card type of a trait, which may end up just making him sort of like an RB3 at the NFL level, but somebody who I do think has really good all-around game and you can trust as a depth running back in your room. I have Trevor Etienne at number 13. I have Jaden blue at number 12. And then I have the aforementioned Devin Neal at number 11. I was shocked how much I didn't love Trevor Etienne. Extremely inconsistent football player. I was shocked how much I didn't love Trevor Etienne.

Extremely inconsistent football player. I just, and I think a lot of it is like how many good running backs are in this class and then I watched him and I was like, I was a little surprised. Inconsistent, inconsistent production, inconsistent opportunities. The good of Travis EtN or Trevor ETN is a contributing RB to at the NFL level and it's so really and it's really hard for me to totally ignore that as inconsistent

as he is. You look at the guys that are behind him on this list. They're not nearly the caliber of an athlete when it comes to fluidity, explosiveness, or long speed. And he's got really good hands to him too. I don't know if he will ever be consistent enough to actually crack an NFL running back lineup, but he, in my opinion, he's just too talented. And I am also very surprised at how high I have him on this list, but it's just talent, man. I'm just betting on the talent there from him. So I got him at, yeah, 13 and then Jaden Blue. Man, you talk about guys who have speed. Just difference making speed, especially as a receiver. I couldn't hit, I couldn't put him any lower

just because of the athleticism. The swing pass ability is just insanity. Like they just throw him a swing pass and he just wins to the edge every time. He is similar to the way that we talked about Kyle Williams where the longer the play goes on, the faster he gets. That's Jaden Blue. Wheel routes, angle routes.

He just, he has to learn how to hold onto the football or else he will get cut. For sure, no doubt. No doubt about it. He's got second percentile hand size and fumbled five times this year with very limited work. Yeah. It's like one of those things where it's like,

I want to put you on the field so badly because of how dangerous you are. I also think it's a little odd that he declared for the draft. I perplexed that he declared for the draft. So I don't, I don't, and I don't really know what to do with that, right? Like, it's very odd to me.

It kind of sounded like he made up his mind that he was going to declare for the draft, despite never starting at Texas for a full period of time. Um, he's only a junior, so he had plenty of eligibility left. He just turned 21 this winter. So like maybe whoever's in his corner, his agency, his representation is basically like, Hey, low mileage, just get to the league. Get to the league and they'll figure out how to use your speed.

And maybe that's the case. Yeah. But it's a little, it's just, that was a little strange for me with Jaden Blue of like, okay, why are you even here? You should be, you should have transferred to a different program, cashed out on NIL, been a full-time running back

and rushed for 1200 yards in the next year. Yep. Totally agree. Um, anyways, did you Corey make your top 20 or he missed? No, he was just out of my top 20. I think that I think he is a really talented player. I think that he is, he's got the, he's got the explosiveness. I think he's got a determined running style.

His game just lacks a lot of nuance. Yeah, it does. And that comes from the fact that he doesn't have a lot of experience against high level competition. Where was he? Where was he before New Mexico State? What was it? Before New Mexico? Because he was Arizona, then before that New Mexico.

No, yeah. And then his first school. He played, he played at Alabama State. Alabama State, okay. Four years, I think. He played at Alabama State for four years, and then he transferred to New Mexico, led New Mexico in rushing, and then he thought he had an extra year of eligibility

and transferred to Arizona, played one game at Arizona, and then the NCA went, you don't have, you don't have a six year of eligibility. And so then he couldn't play the whole rest of the season. And I guess it was some sort of miscommunication with his first year when he was at Alabama state, he wore one number. number one number and then red shirted and because he red shirted. They gave his number to somebody else and the NCAA was like no, the number that you were at the beginning of the year. That number of player played the rest of the season and he's like no, no, no,

it was not me. I red shirted and they gave my number to somebody else. And they were like, sure, buddy. And I think the NCA basically told him, yeah, sure, buddy. And they didn't let him play this whole season. It's amazing how incompetent the NCAA could be with the simplest task. Was that you?

No. You asked the school, was it him? No. Well, we think it was you. I just think that his game lacks a lot of polish and nuance and just experience at this point. Runs like a psychopath though. He does. I love the determined running style and I think he's a pretty dang good athlete, but he just missed my top 20 backs. Okay. Want to keep him moving? Oh, yeah. Before we do that,

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Top 10 backs. Let's get to it. Let's scoot. All right. Number 10, Kyle Menungai from the great state of New Jersey, Rutgers. Nine, Damian Martinez. The last we saw, he was running over people from Miami. Number eight, Baisal T 2 and Trevor's least favorite player

in the entire draft, personal Vandetta. The banners have been called. We'll have the conversation, we'll have the conversation. Seven, Kam Skattaboo from Arizona State. Man, what a year for Kam Skattaboo. Just a ton of fun to watch and now a good prospect in a loaded running back class. Six Dylan Sampson from Tennessee. Five Caleb Johnson from Iowa. A player that it's also just

like Tet Macmillan not cool to like Caleb Johnson anymore. I don't know why. Four Trevion Henderson at Ohio State and his teammate at three Quinchon Judkins. And two Amarion Hampton from UNC. One Ashton Gentry from Boise State. I know all of your jaws have just hit the floor. So my top 10, before we start to, you know, kind of talk about some of the guys that we want to point out, I have DJ Giddens at 10. So you have them at 11, I have them at 10. The Kyle Williams of Running Bats, if you will, because we have them right there. It is funny enough that we also both had Jayden Royals at number nine. We also both have Damien Martinez at number nine. So you love it when a plan comes together. RJ Harvey at number

eight, the person that Connor wants banned from the country never to play the game of football again. I have him at number eight. I have Quintchon Judkins at seven. I have Trevion Henderson at six. I have Caleb Johnson at five. Okay. Dylan Sampson's at four. Cam Scadaboo is three. Omarion Hampton is two. And then Ash and Gentie is number one. Let's talk about Basial Tutin. Yeah, it's really the main combo here. You have him at number eight. I do. I have him at number 19. Do you want me to go first or do you wanna go first?

I'll be brief. Okay. I mean, this is someone. Catch, there's not a lot of good to say, am I right? Oh my God. No, I'm just kidding, just kidding. Poor Tootin. No, it's just kidding.

I actually, I'm in a Virginia Tech family. My wife. I saw. That's the first my wife drop that I've had here on the show. Beautiful. My wife's parents went to Virginia Tech and they're big Hokies. So, you know, shout out Virginia Tech.

I got love for Virginia Tech. I think Alyssa's dad had it under his suit collar. The suit jacket collar. Yeah, go Hokies on the collar of his suit. Yeah, it was sick. I mean, I talked a lot about him recently on the day three gym, so it's not anything new here. His just cut back ability.

Like if I get Bayshall tooting in an outside zone scheme, I'm gonna be very, very happy with the results. With you? Despite that he's smaller, he's 5'9 and a quarter. He's about 206, I believe. That one, four, nine, 10 yard split though, like this guy can freaking fly as a game. Tootin' scootin'.

Yeah, tootin' scootin', 40 and a half inch vert, the 10, 10 broad, he can just, he can get his, put his foot in the ground and explode. But he's got good wiggle, like we've talked about the missed tackle four straight being a 0.39 in 2023 and a 0.31 this year. That's a really high rate. He's making people miss all the time.

I want to see him keep the ball off the ground and I want to see an NFL team use him more as a receiving back because Virginia Tech did not, but the senior ball and drills, I thought he looked phenomenal in receiving drills. So I thought he can run routes, he's got good hands, he transitions quickly from pass catcher to after the catcher runner.

I just think Tooten is an elite athlete that has all the chops to be a highly efficient and effective zone runner with a lot of receiving meat left on the bone for a team to use. If he goes to a zone blocking scheme heavy team, I can see it. I understand it. Mike McDaniel, are you listening? Are you out there?

Yeah, basically, pick up the phone, take him at 13, you coward. Steelers? Maybe? Arthur Smith? No, Steelers. I can actually look this up really quick. I know it would be a little weird because they have Jalen Warren

and how many small running backs are you gonna have? I mean, I'm saying this is like a, the Steelers would need to take like a Caleb Johnson or someone like that first. But let's see. Yeah, I mean they they ran zone a lot. So I guess the Steelers are, yeah right, Arthur Smith. That's another one. They ran zone almost 60% of the time. That's a lot. If you go to a zone heavy block, zone scheme running team, I can understand it.

And I certainly see a path for him to be successful. The issue that I have with Tootin right now is he is too much of an in theory player for me. In theory, he won't fumble as much in the NFL that he did in college football, which is hard for me to believe. In theory, he will be a better wide receiver than he was at the college level,

which again, is sort of hard for me to believe. In theory, he will, a better wide receiver than he was at the college level, which again is sort of hard for me to believe. In theory, he will have... I thought his vision was really suspect, especially when it was behind man and gap skiing blocking concepts between the tackles. If you let him get to the sidelines, a lot more natural from him, but I even think that he was running into the backs of his blockers, he wasn't being patient. I just felt like his vision was very tunneling and very spotty for what he needed to be. So again, in theory, his vision might get better as a runner. I agree with you completely. Phenomenal athlete.

A player that is absolutely going to get drafted is probably going to be, in my opinion, like a fourth, fifth round pick, an early day three priority type of dude. But to me, there's just, he doesn't have the size to be reliable in pass pro. So if you're using him in third down situations where he's used as a receiver, you're not gonna have a lot of deception that he's gonna stay in and block for you because he's just, he doesn't really have the frame to be able to do that.

He's not gonna be efficient. So you're hoping that he improves as a receiver. You certainly hope that he's not coughing up the football nearly as much as he did over the last two years. Nine fumbles, that's first percentile for the running back position over the last two seasons. That has to get a lot better. And just ultimately, the reason why I'm not willing

to sort of bet on those other things, despite the athlete that he is, is I just didn't trust the vision from him. Okay. I just didn't. And that is why I am so much lower on him than you are. Cause you're betting on the athlete and I'm just, I'm wary of a lot of in theory things

that need to get better from him. Short, I really need him to be this year's Bucky Irving or like for my dude I need a bounce back like or or another Tyrone Tracy for me. Whatever it may be. I yeah if you're out there tootin, please win the war The problem is that RJ Harvey's gonna be the next Bucky Irving. So you're going to go 0 for 2 in the last two years. Lovely. Phenomenal news. I do love Harvey. Harvey's awesome. We've talked about him before.

Really high miss tackles, force per attempt average. With all jokes aside, I don't think that he is quite Bucky Irving when it comes to the strength and the speed. But he is a player who I think wins in similar ways and can be a big time complementary piece to a running back room. Damian Martinez is a player who is, I think, a stock up player for both of us. Uh, I just, you know, I'm going to be completely honest. I thought the Oregon state stuff was pretty good from him.

I thought he looked kind of unmotivated, not confident and disinterested in the early parts of the season with Miami. And that's the early part of what I watched with him. And then you look at those last four games that he played with Cain's very different, very confident, powerful football player, never say die mentality was really good when it came to running behind man and gaps, game blocking concepts, uh, very patient. Uh, I thought he let his blocks settle in front of him and then he was able to find

a lot of open daylight. He's a player who can win through contact, but wasn't always seeking it. He was trying to stay clean and hit the home run ball. He reminded me a lot of Kareem Hunt. Kareem Hunt was the the pro comp that I ended up settling in on for him. And I think this is a really good football player now that I think even his third down responsibility stuff got better as the year went on. So much better play as the year went on. And after I watched a couple of those games, I really started to buy in on him.

So I got him at number nine. I mean, listen, I, I totally get it. It's he's someone that you just look at his ability to not only turn through contact, but use lighter feet for a bigger body to set up guys that know they have to kind of tackle him a certain way. That's what I really, really liked about him. And I thought he carried it over quite well into Miami's offenses here. Anybody else?

I want to hear your scataboo at three. I just kind of want to hear you talk about Scataboo because I think you're a higher man on him and this is a player that's really easy to like but I want to know, I think you love Scataboo and I just want to hear your breakdown. I mean this is the type of running back that I gravitate towards man. I understand that it's sexy to draft the home run hitters, the guys that have the speed to be able to take it to the house. The fact of the matter is you just do not get those opportunities at the NFL level. Defensive coordinators are too good.

Defensive fronts are too fundamentally sound. And players are too strong and they're too fast. You almost never get that opportunity to break off a massive run. And instead, what I would rather have from you is turn those two yard carries into three and a half yard carries, turn those three yard carries into five yard carries, turn those five yard carries into 10 yard carries. And that's what Cam Scadaboo did this entire season.

I think people look at him and they go, man, he's just gonna be another Toby Gerhart, right? Somebody who ran- It's fucking ridiculous. Absolutely pissed off at all times. And he just had a size advantage over a lot of the people that he was going up against in college football. The difference that I think Kam Skadebu

is to a guy like Toby Gerhardt is, Kam Skadebu does not get enough credit for how smart he is. Yeah. Kam Skadebu's vision is awesome. He has great patience behind his offensive line. He sees cutback lanes. He waits for pulling blockers to manifest where he can really put his foot in the ground and go.

That is what I like the most about him. I think that he gets labeled as just this brute bruiser just gonna put his pads and his helmet down and he's just gonna run forward and run into the back of his offensive lineman. He does not do that. He's not that kind of football player and instead he had an unbelievably high miss tackles force per attempt average this past season. He had a very high yards after contact average

this season and the only running back in the country who had a higher wins above average than Cam Scadaboo did because of what he did as a runner efficiently and also who he was as a pass catcher as well. The only running back that had a higher wins above average is of course Ash and Gentie. That's it. See only running back. Camp scataboo brought so much to his team in Arizona and I think everybody is just forgetting what we watched this past season with him. I understand that he is not a regular caliber NFL athlete,

but for the running back position, he has the traits that I want. Pissed off running style, great contact balance, soft hands in the receiving game, and great vision. That is what I want the most. I think that long speed is so overrated, especially for a back whose skill set and how he wins doesn't need it. Right. So that's my thoughts on Scataboo and why he is my RB3 in this class. Well put. I mean, he's a player that it's gonna be a lot of fun

watching him for the first time on NFL field. You know, just trying to kind of plow through people, help out and pass bro. Bigger route tree than he gets credited for. You know who my comp is for him? Who's that? He's bigger than this player, but Kyron Williams. Yeah, he's definitely more,

you know, actually I take that back. I saw Kyron in person for the first time ever this year at Radio Roe, he came by the NBC set. I could not believe how much of a brick shithouse he is. Like you see it in way he runs and in pads, but he just looks short and at Notre Dame he always looked a little like a little smaller. He is a truck, a in sweats.

And that's so I like people that think like, I is not Kyron too small. NFL Kyron is different right now. Kyron is so much of what makes that Rams offense go. Oh, yeah. So they He keeps them so on schedule. They rely on him for everything. Pass catching, tough yards, short yardage situations, setting the tone on first and 10, certainly pass blocking situations.

That's Kim's Gattaboo to me. And I think that Kyron Williams is overlooked in his draft class, certainly to what he has been in the NFL, and I think that that's probably gonna be the same for Kim's Gattaboo. Yep. So there we go. I think the last guy that I wanted to talk about is Queen Chuck Judkins. You had him as RB three. You know, I love Judkins. We had him at like, RB one RB two going into the season. I thought he was better

as the year went on in the college football playoff. But I just felt like he lacked creativity this year. Yeah. And I felt like he was just way too comfortable running into tacklers. And I think he is just so much stronger than everybody at the college level. I watched a bunch of those college football games and there were so many times that he lowered the shoulder and he made contact with somebody and he's always falling forward because he's so powerful and strong and then he'd get up and he'd like you know yell at the guy and he made contact with somebody and he's always falling forward because he's so powerful and strong and then he'd get up and he'd like you know yell at the guy that he just

ran over and like I love that don't get me wrong do you do that at a similar clip at the NFL level I'm just not so sure so it was just that lack of creativity that really held me back from having him a lot higher in this class but I said this a little bit earlier on the PFF NFL show. This running back class to me, you have to talk about it in tears. Genties in it for me, Genties in the tier by himself. Yep. Tier two is on Marion Hampton and cams, Gattaboo for me. And then tier three is Dylan Sampson, Caleb Johnson, Trayvon Henderson, Queen shot, Jenkins.

I don't care what order you have those for it. They're in tier four, three tier three for me. And Iins. I don't care what order you have those for it. They're in tier three for me, and I don't really care where the order is. You could pick them wherever. You told me Caleb Johnson's, your RB four, great. If you told me it was Quinchide, great. If you told me it was Trevion, great. If you told me it was Dylan Sampson, great.

I could see it for all those guys. We literally saw that exactly the same way if you just flip Scataboo and Quinchide. I would tier it the same, I'd do the group exactly the same way if you just flip scataboo and quinch on I would tear it the same I do the groupings the same and Then yeah, and it becomes a little bit of a different tear when you get for me to tootin Martinez Mononguy a little more wide open but it's a hell of a running back class, man I yeah, I feel like I still have like 10 more to truly watch which is ridiculous Ridiculous. I gotta watch your boy, the white Christian McCaffrey.

I gotta watch him. Oh, Landl Harrison. Yeah, I gotta watch Landl Harrison. You've been talking him up. The film is just, it's so fun to watch the way they use him, specifically as a receiving back. All right, all right, I'll get to it. I'll get to it in a little bit.

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I hope everybody's enjoying the collab, the collab mocks. We've had a lot of laughs and a lot of different thoughts, which is really fun with that series. And you and I are gonna continue to kind of finalize rankings, build a big board, our big boards and keep this thing rolling. It's been a two V two or four person format in the Colab Mock Draft series to this point.

Coming up next. Triple threat. It's a little triple threat. Yeah. It's a repeat guest that we have here on the show, and it's one that we're very excited to have back. When do we break out the elimination chamber? Yeah, soon. I mean, you know, it might be the marathon mock draft, which we're still trying to set up

I still want to do it the other day Kristen was like it was probably when we were in the Bahamas She was like you guys you and Trevor still gonna do this the seven round Mock draft and I was like I kind of forgot but we're definitely gonna try I would still might just have to press The go live button and see what happens. Yeah, I mean, that might be what it is and then just open up the Rolodex and be like,

hey, pop in, like give us 30 minutes, whatever. Yeah, exactly, so you can give us five picks. Right. And it'll have, I think we could do it. I am curious what people think. It would definitely be pretty chaotic in the best way possible. I really wanna do it. I do too chaotic in the best way possible. I really want I really want to do it. I

Do too. We'll make it. I'll cancel plans for this. We'll make you You heard it there. I don't have plans. I have no life appreciate everybody watching to listen to the NFL stock exchange podcast I'm Trevor sick of it. That's Connor Rogers. We'll see you guys next week Thanks for watching!