Fix Your Franchise: Cleveland Browns (w/ 3-Round Mock Draft)
00:00Welcome to the opening bell of the NFL stock exchange podcast.Trevor's sick of a Connor.Connor, Pimp your franchise edition, Connor.Three years in the making.We're long overdue.We're late, as the chat said, because we were two minutes late here on the show.But we're also late to fixing this.franchise we've been doing this series for yeah this year three now of fixing your franchise and we
00:35have yet to do the cleveland brown so highly anticipated highly requested and i'm excited to dig intoit with you buddy how you doing my friend i'm good man i can't wait cold open putting a smile on myface shout out to the man behind the glass the cook mr tyler cook uh unbelievable 10 out of 10love to see it it's that movie it's in there with the greatest bad movies of all timeYou think it's worse than I do.I think it's one of the worst sports films ever made that it's so bad I will occasionally watch pieces of it to laugh at how bad it is.And it's not the problem is, it's not like they went low budget on the cast.It has a real guy.
01:20No, they did not.You're right.It's like there's real money behind this movie.And it's just so absurdly bad in what they tried to accomplish that it's so.good and funny. I love it.I don't, well, I don't love it. But it is a tradition to watch draft day.I feel like at some point every year, which people will probably yell at me for becausethey'll say, hey, Trep, instead of watching Draft Day again this year, why don't you watch
01:43literally any Jake Gyllenhaal movie? One, just one a year.NFLSC, uh, yeah, draft day watch along.That could hit. That could hit. The offseason content, I think we got to, wegot to write this down on the Google sheet.I think chat. I think the chat's in.Yeah, we got Discord's in.We got to go. Oh, dude, first of all, before we really dive into this, because we got a lotthat we're getting to today. Obviously, if you were hearing, you're a Browns fan and you're
02:12new, what's up? Welcome to the addicts. Welcome to the NFLSC show. What we're going to do hereon the show is we're going to take a look at everything with the Cleveland Browns.So I've struggled over the last couple of years. We're going to look at Andrew Barry.We're going to look at Kevin Stefanski. Kind of put those guys in their tenures under themicroscope. We'll look at the roster. Well, I will do my best toexplain everything that I have learned over the last 72 hours about how the Browns andAndrew Barry do the contract situation, sort of project the roster, and then we'll give you amini Brown's three round mock draft at the end of all this. But before we do that, shout out
02:44to the OGs in the NFLSC Discord. Within 24 hours of launching the Discord, we already haveover a thousand people in there. I absolutely love it. You guys are, this is the best. This is, this isso cool. This is exactly what we had envisionedfor the Discord. So many guystalking everything. NFL, NFLDraft, firing the memes off from the hip.But Connor, you know what I love the most about our Discordchannel and the way that
03:10Tyler and his buddy Major set it up, whichshout out Major, who is a friend ofTyler, our producers, whoput in a lot of work making that Discordas organized as it was right off the bat.I love the team-specific channels.We have team-specific channelsfor all 32 teams in the NFL, and
03:27I checked this morning, there arepeople already talking about teams and draft strategies and everything in every single teamchannel, which is dope. So shout out to everybody who joined the NFLSD Discord. If you guys want toget in on the NFLSD Discord, we got the link in the channel to this YouTube video and we'llpost the link on all of our socials as well. We'd love to see you there. Man, it's it's reallycool to see. I got to dive in this afternoon to say hello. Yes, Trevor and I and the chef willbe in there despite some rumors and wonderings if we will. Yes.It's our Discord.
04:00We'll be around.We'll say hello.We'll chat.I think my thing is I'm just going to jump into random teams at random times.You should.That's what I've been doing.That's what I've been doing over the morning.Like, I'm just going to give my thoughts on what the Panthers should do with one of their day three picks at some point.
04:14And then just leave and then go jump to, let's go see what the commander's got.Yeah, that's the beauty of it.Round seven, that's the beauty of it.It's going to be really cool, man.It's just another sign of this community growing and it blows my mind.and I'm really grateful for it.And I'm also really grateful to finally break our drought and then pimp the Browns today.I don't know how we haven't done this.
04:35I just, it's crazy.Well, it was.I guess they haven't been that bad.Well, that's the thing is that it's been,it's been an interesting ride with Kevin Stafansky.Right.He's one coach of the year twice.He's one coach of the year twice.
04:51Let's pull it up.Let's get to the first slide.Let's just do it.Let's dig right into it.Let's talk about it here.When you look at the slide here of how the Cleveland Browns have done,I think the first year that we did NFL Stock Exchange was that 20-23 season, right?So they go 11.
05:05During an NFL season, yeah, because in the pod launch.Do we want to launch it in January of 22?Or no, no, no.God, how do we not know this?When did we launch this podcast?I think it's January 22.Yeah, it was.Okay.
05:23All right.So January of 22,So then they go 7 and 10Which isn't that terribleThat's usually too good for fixingAnd I think it was a let me checkAnd it was one of those yearsWhere we didn't do a lot of them
05:35If I remember correctlyLike we had just started the seriesAnd then the following yearStephansky wins coach of the yearThey go 11 and 6So we weren't going to do it thenWe could have absolutely gotten to themLast year
05:46And I think that justYou know poor schedulingProbably on our partIs the reason why we didn't get hereBut now we've got the ClevelandBrown's a team that hashistorically needed pimpingand fixing, that we have not gotten to them yet.
05:59And here we are getting into their franchise now.See what we can do here.2025, they're 3 in 10 right now.Just lost to the Tennessee Titans.Not great.Sitting there at number four overall in the draft order,but because of the trade down last year in the first round,they have an extra first round pick as well.
06:17So they got two first round picks to work with.They got a lot of draft ammunition.The year before, like I said, they went in 2024.They went three and 11 as well.Well, really just this story of the Cleveland Browns is not being able to find out where their true franchise quarterback is.You thought with them to pick a number one overall, or in Baker Mayfield's draft, that Baker Mayfield was going to be the guy.I think that there are a lot of factors that go into the Mayfield era of Mayfield, for as much fun as it is to root for him and as fun of a ceiling as Mayfield has,he is a up and down
06:55sort of a gunslinger quarterbackand I think you do have to have a teamaround him to sort of balance those things outand I think for a couple of yearsthat he was with Cleveland they just didn't havethe right team around him obviously he leavesand he bounces around the NFLhe lands in Tampa Bay and
07:11he's done great things in Tampa BayI mean he started off hot this yearwas an MVP candidate but now you seethe other side of the coin where Mayfield's reallystruggling right now and I feel likethe Browns just didn'tnot love what they were able to accomplish at Baker Mayfield.And I think there's a lot of other things to go into it.
07:28But all that to say, like, quarterback, man, like, that's, that's, that's everything aboutthis franchise.And I think that's the total story of this franchise of how they got to this point.Yeah, it is.It's maybe trying to, you know, not over-correct a mistake because you can never over-correctquarterback.You just, it's the most important position in the sport.You got to make it happen.
07:48And they, there was a lot of drama there, but then injured Baker-MaylorMayfield at the end. Obviously, Watson was a mistake and the contract with it was a mistake.And since then, they've been trying to balance paying insane quarterback money on the cap whiletrying to fix the position as well. And they've had some stop gaps. They've had some younger guys.They've given a look. So it's, you're right. There's going to be a larger Stefanski combo on thisshow. I feels like, and I do, I do some Cleveland radio. So I, you know, I see that I follow a lot of those guys andkeep up with the clips.It feels like there's a lot of amnosity or just loss of faith in
08:28Stefanski over there where I could be wrong.But it feels like a lot of the fan base over there is kind of leaning towards movingon from him this year.I think he's a really good coach in this league.I actually think he's a good enough coach that he's one of those guys that I thinkhe'd get another head coaching job in the same offseason.But you could also feel that way that both sides need a fresh start.And that's going to be a fascinating conversation with this organization.
08:52in him.Yeah, obviously, the, the, the, Sean Watson, like, everything that went in withDeshawn Watson was, um, it defines his franchise as of late, right?The contract that he signed, which we'll dig into the contract, because to be honestwith you guys, like, from the Brown's point of view, the, the contract itself, like the moneywise, the contract itself actually really was not that bad for the plan that theyhave had for it over the last, you know, a handful of years.The problem is, is that obviously you go after a quarterback who is in the situation
09:26that Deshaun was currently in with the 22 sexual assault allegations against him.That is a massive issue on its own.And then from the play on the record side, Deshawn's been bad.Deshawn's been bad and he's been hurt.So this whole scenario has completely clouded what the Cleveland Browns have been able to do.And it's been a major reason why.I think that they're still sitting here right now in their current situation,which we'll pull up the offensive grades.
09:58Look at the offensive grades for this team right now, Connor.32nd overall in PFF offensive grade.31st in passing grade.30th in rushing grade.32nd in pass blocking grade.24th in run blocking grade.You look at their EPA per play overall.It's 31st in the NFL.
10:14EPA per pass, it's 28th.EPA per I think the, I should say run actually at the end of it.32nd.Yeah.This is...Well, that's jarring under Spansky.No doubt about it, the worst offense in the NFL.And I would have said that the only team that could have competed against him was a Titans and the Titans just beat him.
10:35Right, right.I can comfortably say that this is the worst offense in the NFL.And it's wild because they have a good defense that you think would be giving them some advantageous opportunities at times.And, you know, they were so limited under, and we'll get to the defense here, just to see.second, as you see it right there.They were so limited on what they can and can't do under Dylan Gabriel.Now, they have Schroder playing, who I think has been better than Gabriel.It's just a matter of should work could string together, a couple more big starts down the stretch.
11:03But yeah, let's get back to the defense here because you can see the contrast of how bad they are onoffense to the fact that this is insane.This is insane.The difference.If they had a average offense in the NFL, they are walking away with this division titlethis year. That's right, especially this year where this division with all of its injurieshas been so uninspiring. The Ravens have been one of the disappointing, most disappointingteams in the NFL. Joe Burrow got hurt. The Steelers with Rogers have been kind of meandering around
11:36like what they usually are? They'll be what, 9 and 8 or 8, 9? I mean, they'll be the PittsburghSteelers. Yes, you're right. Yeah. And this could have, this could have been Cleveland'sdivision to win if they had any sort of offense at all whatsoever.And they just don't.And they don't.And they have, ironically, a player that might set a significant record with MilesGarrett chasing the single season sack record.They're obviously well coached.
12:04They're aggressive.And they have young talent at every level.The season they've gotten out of Carson Swessinger.I think Mason, yeah.He might win defensive rookie of the year.The draft that they just had.was really, really good.An excellent draft.
12:21Yeah, yeah.Do you want to, I mean, we can go to that slide.We really should because I think this paints a,one of the positive pictures of the Browns,because they traded out of number two,and they got more capital for not just this year,but now the 2026 draft as well.You got Mason Graham,
12:44who I think is going to be a really nice player for them for a long time,Swessinger has been awesome.Judkins, I think, looks really good.Fanon is especially with Shador, finding his role.I did not like the Dylan Gabriel pick at all.It made zero sense to me, and that's kind of played out the way we thought.And I think Shadour in the fifth round, whatever you think of what comes with him,the Tebow-esque spotlight, I thought Shador was a top 50 player in the draft and they got him in the fifth round.
13:12Right.It's a good draft.Yeah.You gave this a B when we did the draft grade show.I gave it a C minus.And the reason why I gave it a C minus is because I just didn't really like how they navigated it.Mason Graham was a top eight player for me for sure.I think he was a top five player for me.
13:33I think it was like number four over on my board.So I like the value of obviously them getting Mason Graham,but I don't love the idea of them passing up Travis Hunter to do it.And I talked about that in the draft grades episode.Travis Hunter was my number one player in this draftand you had the ability to draft them and you didn't.And they have an extra first round pickso obviously they got good value for what they did.
13:52But it's not like normally when you look at a trade like thatand you say, hey, we traded back.We got an extra first round pick.We got a really good football player.Normally I would tell you, oh, okay,like that's an excellent deal.But you lost Travis Hunter to be able to do it.And I thought he was the best player in the draft.
14:10Schlesinger, Quinstein-Junkins.I liked both of those picks.I wasn't as convinced that Harold Fanning Jr.was going to be phenomenal in the prosthe way that he was at Bowling Green.I had questions as well.I have been proven wrong in that regard.Harold Fanning Jr. has been awesome.
14:23I've been owned online.I love the Dylan Samson pick.But then, to be honest with you,the reason why I gave this a C-minusis because I thought the quarterback logic was dumb.I mean, there's no denying that, okay?I don't know what you're doing here.Gabriel in the third round, okay, that doesn't really do anything for you.
14:46And then you took Shador in the fifth.And again, when we watched them draft Shador, I don't want to put too much stock into it,but they didn't look like they just drafted future QB1.They weren't celebrating in the war room.It made me feel like there was a call from ownership that was essentially like,hey, draft a kid.You better take this kid with the next pick.we let you we allowed you to pick who you wanted you got dylan gabriel you got who the coaching staff
15:14wanted and now we're the owners we're calling our shots shudur's still there go get them because itwithout that being the case how in the world did the rest of it make sense how do you watch whatdylan gabriel did last year and what shader did last year i don't know and and think that youshould have drafted gabriel two rounds ahead of shudur sanders i just if if shudor was on your board at allwhatsoever, you would have picked him ahead of the fifth round.So the reason why I gave them to C-minus is because it's hard for me to give them creditfor something that I feel like they just stumbled into.So that's why I was harsh about it at the time when we were doing draft grades.
15:52Well, I don't think that that argument has evaporated, right?It's because it's been a bumpy road this year for the Browns in this quarterback situationbecause I think you'd rather have the longer look at Chador than a look atDylan Gabriel that told you everything everyone thought that he looks like a guy that is probablya backup quarterback at the NFL level.And when you take a guy in the third round with the top 100 pick and you insert him as thestarter eventually throughout the season, I think there's some expectations.They are not great.
16:25The eye test was not great.And it was nothing surprising to anybody that watched Dylan Gabriel coming out of college.And like you said, the problem when they took Shador was,you're sitting there and you're going, is everybody on the same page here?Like, did the owner head coach and GM all come together and say, yeah,we're also going to take Shador Sanders in the fifth round?That was something where I was kind of looking at, like, all right,this is an organizational, you know, problem potentially here.
16:58And then they all get on the same page with that going forward.Yeah.And to be honest with you, like the chat is saying, and they're kind of cooking me.And they should, I mean, the way that it has played out.this draft is doing a lot of heavy lifting for Andrew Barry right now.How well these guys are playing right now I think is doing a lot of heavy liftingbecause Andrew Barry, their general manager for Cleveland Brown,so we can pull up his slide if we want to next,
17:24just a little bit of a background on him.He is somebody who, and the contracts is something that I can't wait to get intoa little bit later on this episode.He is there because he's sort of a wizard when it comes to navigating the South,salary cap player contracts all that kinds of stuff he's got a bachelor's degree in economics master's degreeof computer science from harvard he was a colt scouting assistant from 2009 to 2010 then he was just a regularscout in the system for them in 2011 scouting coordinator from 2012 to 2015 then the browns hired himas the VP of player personnel from 2016 to 2018 president of football ops in 2019 and obviously he's
18:00been the general manager uh since 2020 he was paired up with kevin savansky so kevin savansky's been theresince 2020 as well.And to be honest,Tyler, if you want to go back to the 2020 draft,if we could go back to that one,because then we'll just go in chronological order here,this is the first draft that Andrew Barry and Kevin Sivansky had.Jedrick Wills obviously did not pan out for them.
18:25Grant Delpit has been great for them.Still an impact starting safety.He's still on the team.That's, I mean, Jordan Elliott, Jacob Phillips,Harrison, Brian after that,guys who weren't around there in 2020but I think Jedrick Will's not a hitGrant Delpit hit okay
18:40You got an extension Grant DelpitRight you go to 2021Greg Newsom andJeremiah Ousu CoromoawhoI liked both of those guysand Newsom just got tradedin basically a swap with Tyson
18:56Campbell so Tyson Campbell's there nowand Greg Newsom's with the Jacksonville JaguarSo it's like okayI'll still kind of count that for you a little bitmaybe not a full win, but I'll doubt that I'll count that for you.Wusukoramol looked great before the neck injury.Yeah, he was flying around.Neck injury sucks.
19:12Could be a career altering injury.I sure hope it's not a hope he's back in 2026.Anthony Schwartz in third round was a miss.Tommy Toggiye, the rest of this draft, I think, was a miss for them.Togia.Togia.Playing well now.Yeah.
19:27He's playing well now.I know.It's kind of funny.It didn't play well for them.That's the problem is.every time I watch this Texan's defense,I see Tommy Togi guy making plays.Right, right.
19:39The problem is,for the Browns.Right.2022, the year after.Martin Emerson, whowas good for them hisrookie year, I think.Rookie year he was good.
19:53So no first round pick in this draftbecause this is the first yearthat they didn't have a first round pickbecause of the Deshawn trade.So Martin Emerson was good for them,and his struggles.then now he's hurt.I was going to say he hasn't played all year, right?
20:07Yeah, he got hurt in training camp the summer.Had to be.Yeah, early on.Oh, yeah, he tore his Achilles.Yeah, yeah.Alex Wright, David Bell and the third hated that.Parenthood, I didn't like...God, I forgot about David Bell.
20:23It's amazing when you go through these drafts and names that, like,we spent so much time having discourse about.Yeah.And then it goes poof in the NFL so fast.Yeah.Crazy.David Bell also, like, it was one of the lower tier athletes we've seen from the wide receiver position and they picked them with a top 100.Yeah, man.
20:46That was, yeah, that was something.2023, your boy, Cedric Tillman.Yep.Your boy, Siakaika.Yep.Your boy, Dewan Jones.I wouldn't go that.That's where we stopped.
21:01That's where we stop.Isaiah McGuire, who is good for them still.Really good run defender.Solid defensive end for them.Luke Whippler, who shoot starting center now that Ethan Postics out for the year.So maybe he'll turn out to be a good investment there from them.2024, Mike Hall Jr., who's flashed a little bit,but was basically replaced by Mason Graham and Malik Collins.
21:25And he was a healthy scratch for the first couple of games this season.So was Zach Zinter.So I think both of those picks were,I mean, if you're a healthy scratch on game day,that's not ideal even if you're drafted outside of the first roundand maybe be a depth player.And Hall had off the field issues pop up too, I believe, right?I want to make sure I'm not.
21:46I am not sure.Misremembering that.Yes, he had a domestic dispute in August of 24 that he was arrested for.He had a 30-day suspended jail sentence.Yeah, yeah.did not remember that yes so obviously not ideal there either um and then you had this past draft2025 which was which was very very good so there's not a lot to hang your hat on when it comes tothe draft classes for Andrew Barry and I think that there are some people who like you said
22:23at the top of the show I think there are some people out there who want Andrew Barry and KevinStavansky fired I'm going to be honest with you ConnorI'm not really going to go about this exercise, getting rid of either of those guys,because I don't think they're going anywhere.What do you think about that?I'm very 50-50.I don't think Andrew Berry's going anywhere.Like, I don't even, I would be that one would shock.
22:49By the way, I just have to say, KD York, being a fourth round pick and being cut after one year,let's not let that one go.Yeah, good call out.I mean, you draft a kicker in the fourth round, and you cut them after a year.that's a colossal screw up.Colossal.But, sorry, back to your point.Yeah, yeah, yeah, go ahead.
23:07I think Stifansky, I almost wonder if with Stifansky, there's a mutual parting of ways.He can't be enjoying this.He can't.No, I don't know if he is.Yeah.It's just every single decision he makes is scrutinized over Shador.And I get the two-point conversion combo last week.I get it.
23:28But like the week or two weeks before that, the same.same thing they were running with Judkins getting the direct snap that they ran with Gabriel.Dude, the two point conversion from this past weekend goes into kind of what we were just talkingabout, about how I felt like it was kind of hard to give them credit for the Shador draft at a timebecause it didn't feel like they wanted to draft him. And you go to this game. They're down 31.They're down 31 17 in this game. Okay. They climbed back. There are two point conversion awayfrom tying this football game and you took the guy who got you there off the field how are you doingthat to me it just says that they don't they don't trust him and trust them so that again goes back
24:15to how did should or get on this team in the first place well yeah and just think of the logic righttrevor you're dealing with obviously deshawn watson has the injury and all kinds of issues butput even putting him aside you have on your roster a guy that you think could start for you at theyear if you need him to in Flacko.You traded for Kenny Pickett in March.So now you have Kenny Pickett on the roster.I forgot that they traded for Kenny Pickett.So you go into the draft and you take Dylan Gabriel in round three.
24:47Listen, I thought that was an absolute joke taking him there.But all that aside, I mean, I've missed on a ton of quarterbacks.Like, that's just my opinion.But that, you're sitting there.they do that and you're like man it's not what i would have done but they their plan is veteran andflacco probably a backup that we hope we could squeeze more upside out of and can he pick it butthey traded for him like that was a decision by them and then young guy on day two that we want todevelop that's not a wild NFL roster by quarterback standards but when you go you know what
25:23in the fifth round let's take the quarterback prospect with the biggest spotlight on them sinceTim Tebow.It makes no sense at all from a coaching standpoint.None at all.It doesn't align.Because if you loved Shador,you would have took him in the third round at Pick 94.Yeah.
25:44Yeah.So someone's not on the same page here.And I think if Kevin Safansky has the chance of a mutual parting ways,he'd be like, you know what?See you later.Frito, Frito says in the chat,ownership came out and said that Sanders was not their pick. It was the GM that made that call.One, I don't really trust anything that anybody says publicly about those things. I just really
26:09don't. I think that there are further future actions that you could see that would have moretruth to that story. And even if that was the case, like a quarterback selection for you,whether it's in the first round or round five has to be a united pick between the generalmanager and the head coach it has to be because what if it works out what if it doesn'tyou guys can't be split on the decisions and the leeway that you're giving the quarterbackposition you have to be in unison so i hate that strategy anywaysIt's like, ah, no, we gave this to the GM.The GM got to make this pick.
26:59That's a terrible process, too.Yeah, it doesn't answer a lot of our questions here.No, it does not.If anything, I ask more questions.I'm always asking questions with this franchise, unfortunately.Like you said, though, after all of that, it's a good draft.No, it's, again.That's what's mind-blowing.
27:18It's not the draft.I'm questioning.It's what was the plan at the most important,position. And you know what's going to be funny in all of this? At the end of the day, they justkind of all works out. And Shador actually ends up being like a guy. They can make theirstarter. I think one of the mock drafts that we're going to do at the end of the show is, of course,I think we have to do one where Shador is the guy moving forward, and then we'll do one wherehe's not. That's exactly right. You got to, you got to analyze, you sort of got to analyze
27:46where you're at. So, so I don't, I don't think Andrew Berry is going anywhere. I don't. And the reason why isbecause we'll get into, again, when we get into the salary cap, I'll explain about this a littlebit more. But the way that the Browns do contracts, who's the moneyball dude? What's his name?Paul. Paul Dean Podesta? Yes, yes, yes. He's now the GM of the Rockies, I think, recent news.Right, but he was with. He went back to baseball. He was with the Browns for, was it Barry'sentire tenure, or was it just like the lastcouple of years? He was there. He was therefor a long time. So he was there for a long time.
28:28I'll give you the timelines right now.Okay. Heleft baseball forthe Browns in Januaryof 2016 when he's hired to betheir chief strategy officer. Okay.Yeah. So he got a five yearextension in 2021
28:44and then he just went back to baseballabout a month ago. So the Brownshired Andrew Barryto be their VP of playerpersonnel in 2016, so that same year.So very clearly, this has been the direction.Jonah Hill making the Deshawn Watson trade is quite the site that they have been going in.And the way that they do contracts is that just a short version of it now before we dive in a
29:16little bit deeper later.Essentially what they do is like, I'm just going to use round numbers here.let's say that they signed a guy to a $100 million deal for five years and it's fully guaranteed.The cash spending of that deal could be evenly distributed where the cash spending that the athlete will get every year is $20 million.For five years it's just $20 million.The cap spending could be completely different than that.You can restructure the deal.You can add void years to it.
29:48And that's exactly what the Cleveland Brown's done.The Cleveland Browns, like the New Orleans Saints, like the Philadelphia Eagles, and do the Niners do this as well?Like the Saints and the Eagles for sure, they add a lot of void years to their players.And the reason why they do that is because they continue to restructure.And it's a little bit of kicking the can down the road and making these contracts a little bit more backloaded.But the whole point is that they are playing the math game that the cap is going to go up 8% on an average every single year.So if you keep moving the salary cap back of the players that you are paying for by using void years,as long as you are keeping them on the roster and you like these players and you're not cutting them to then accelerate the pro-rated signing bonus,
30:33you then are essentially taking up less cap space with the same exact number that you're paying the player of cash every single year.So it is a really aggressive, and I would say, like cutting edge way to navigate the salary cap, to be honest with you.And the Cleveland Browns, Jack Duffin, who does a great job covering the Browns from a salary cap perspective.I've written a lot, or I've read a lot of his articles on this.Essentially, if you have an owner that is willing to be an owner that spends cash up front,The Browns have spent more than everybody in free agency over the last five years.And yet, they're always cap compliant, never have any issues.And people are going to point to the Deshawn deal, and we'll get to that in second.
31:25But all of that to say about Andrew Barry, if you fire Andrew Barry,you have to basically hire somebody who also does this same thing.Because if you don't, you're going to be screwed.for the next couple of years as you eat a ton of dead capand then switch your salary cap strategy to something else.So that's kind of why I think he's safe,at least for another year and until, you know,I don't think they're sick of how he's doing things yet
32:00is kind of what I'm trying to say.I don't think he's going anywhere.No, I don't get that vibe either.It doesn't feel like what's the fansky,you could see frustrations in game with their,roster building strategy that the fan base and the media has with him with Barry who probablyhas the trust of ownership too right that's what some people miss sometimes is like a guy likethis could also have the ear of the owner and the trust of the owner right and could get the
32:31opportunity to hire another head coach that he aligns with as well so yeah i'm with you thati don't think they'll move on from Barry this is one of those rare times where they can definitelymove on from the head coach and they don't need to wipe the slate clean yeah so all right i want toget into sefianski i want to hear what you think about sort of where he currently is and somepotential guys that you think can replace him but before we get to that this nflosec betting segmentfolks brought to you by our friends over at draft king's pick six all right keeping this one topicalShador Sanders.Current line for him, over
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34:43Ends December 2nd at 11.59 p.m. Eastern.See terms at pick-6.Dot draftkings.com slash promos.What do you laughing at?The person in the chat, Joseph Napoli, who said Trevor learned how to read from Trevorand GTA 5.I don't know what that.means. I didn't play GTA5.
35:09You might be the only person in the world your agethat didn't play GTA 5 because you play videogames. Yeah, yeah.Are you just FPS only?Pretty much at that point in time.Wow, that's hardcore. Yeah.I just like playing with friends,you know.
35:25Like even Madden, now that we have a discourseto be honest, discourse. We're going tohave a discourse about bad. We always have a discourse.Now that we have a discord,I am looking forward to setting upeither NCAA or MAD.Madden franchises where we actually get to play with a lot of people because I can run a Maddenfranchise by myself, but I've been playing Madden for like 20 years.
35:45So I don't really find much joy out of it.You know, like, oh, cool, yeah, I won the Super Bowl.Great.I don't, I don't care.I like to play video games with friends.That's why I still play video games.Yeah.No, I totally get that.
35:58Like I've told you before, and I would love to do this in our NFLSE Discord.I'm in an EACFB dynasty now since they brought the game back.that's just we don't stop.I'd love to get one going in our NFL to see one.This would be the only thing that would get me back into Madden.I haven't been, I probably haven't played Madden consistently since, I don't know,2011.You haven't played Madden?
36:23Like consistently.Like more than like, yeah, I'll play a game once every three, three years.But I play EACFB every two to three days.I justI don't knowIt feels like it didn't changeAnd like you saidYou have to play with friends
36:41Actually get any enjoyment out of itPork said in the chatConnor's jokingI assume on the food that you were eatingI was eating duringSo I have to drag out the ad readThat's good observationI was eating
36:56During the breakIt's been a dayThe second that the cameraSwitched I heard you unwrapedbeen the uncrustable.I didn't even finish it.Pathetic performance for me.That's tough.
37:08Pathetic performance for me.Are we reading some super chats?Yeah, I kind of forgot they existed.So let's go.Find a cure.Thank you for the super chat.Connor,could we get your genuine Jets fan opinion,
37:17not as an analyst of the Pat's resurgence back to relevancy after only five years.So here's my honest opinion.So not as an analyst,because my analyst opinion would be,one,I loved them hiring Mike Vrable and I loved Drake May.So I can't sit here.and back, oh, this sucks?
37:34Like, no, part of this job is hopefully being right once in a while.And I like that.As a fan, it's not just a Patriots thing.What sucks as a fan is the Patriots had their run, arguably the greatest run ever,as all teams have to, dipped back down for a while, and found their next franchise quarterbackand franchise coach, while the Jets had stunk during most.most of that great run they had and still stink.That's what stinks as a fan.
38:08And it's not just the Patriots.Like the Dolph,the bills had had a lot of their moments.The dolphins,maybe not as much,but they've been better than the Jets.That's what stinks as a fan is like,damn,
38:20they already had their rebuild.Right.And figured it out.And the Jets just keep having their rebuilds.Just keep having them over and over again.It's like the man pushing the boulder up the hilland you almost get to the top and fall back down.Mm-hmm.
38:32that's what it feels like as a fan it sucks it's tough i feel really bad for it because now thati cover the team on game days my enjoyment is like the fans being engaged and having a lot to talkabout and being into the show and like i hate seeing them so defeated and deflated that's that'sthe toughest part patrick 10 dollar super chat retired from teaching and coaching in may wowso congrats i think yeah congrats yeah recently added this showto my new hobbies.You whippersnappers.That's a good one.
39:06Do a great job.Good job.Good job, Patrick.That was a good one.Got our ass.He did.Damn, double U sports media said I'm trauma dumping on the pod.Wait, why?
39:19Because of my jets.Oh, you are.You're trauma.Oh, okay, okay.I thought he was saying that W was trauma dumping,and I was wondering where that was coming from.Preston.Thank you for the super chat.
39:30Topic suggestion.Take every other team.y'all didn't pimp and give some brief thoughts about what they should prioritize this offseason goingforth like a car wash pimping well this goes into what we talked about last friday when we wereplanning the rest of the show schedule out believe it or not people we have a real meetingyeah unfortunately yeah unfortunately you guys have grown this podcast so much that we actuallyhave to plan things now which stinks which stinks we'll do it no we love you guys uh we do have somecontent planned for the non-pimp your franchise teams that we will do over the next couple
40:06of weeks and it involves the team building stuff addressing where they can get a little bitbetter you know whether it's get over the hump into the playoffs into the conference title gamesuper bowl whatever that is uh josh five dollars please pimp the browns so i could finally see my dadsmile we're doing our best we are doing our best here that's a good one to get back to theoriginal jet super chat i don't think i told this story no i was on the phone my daddad yesterday and I'm just letting them empty out every thought of the Jets getting stomped fromthe Dolphins on Sunday like just empty it out and then I thought he was done and we weregoing to go on to the next thing and then instead he goes and I guess Edwin Diaz is gone from
40:46the Mets like he just transit he didn't even transition he just went jet right into Mets seamlesslywell we did the we did the preview show on the PFF channel and oh Dalton ofminute before we went livewas the Pete Alonzo news.Oh, man. And so he was kind ofcrashing out. Yeah, yeah. He waskeeping it together decently well, but I could tell he wasscreaming in his eyes. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He gives it away.
41:14Jack Adams, thank you for the super chat.I watched draft day every morning before dayone of the NFL draft. I don't think that'sa crazy tradition.Listen, I watch and like bad movies.I'm not saying that.I thought theI thought the super chat was going to say,
41:29watches it every morning.Every morning before the day starts.Libertarian Sasquatch, $2 Super Chat.Draft Day is like a male hallmark movie to me.Excellent.That's exactly right.Don Johnson.That and pain and gain.
41:44Well, pain and gain is.Great.That's a great bad movie.It's not even that bad of a movie.The main team on draft day was the Brown,so it's a perfect time for the discussion.It is.You're right.
41:57Pain and gain.Spark, $2, Super Chat.I'm hot.I tweeted the morning of my weddingbecause I was, of course, firing off memesin the morning of my wedding.I saw this.I tweeted the clip from Mark Wahlberg
42:11where he's freaking out and he's stressed outand he's just like, I got to get a pump.And then he just walks over and he just starts like hammering curls outand the rock just sits down next to him.He was like, yeah.Get it out.Yeah.Good, good.
42:24Yeah.And that's pretty much what this podcast genuinely is.I actually think painting gain will age.like really nicely.You think?Yeah, I think the generationa couple behind usone day we'll find it
42:37and they'll be like,damn, this is a good one.This is a really good one.Spark scouting.Yep.Give me a draft day,Pimp your franchise boys.I don't know if we,
42:50again, like if us doingthe watch-along episodefor draft day would be usbasically pimping the moviebecause we would get to talk about it.Yeah, yeah, wrapped.Alex Tender, our Super ChatPimpin the Browns, get Louis Vuitton gear, and big diamond watches for everybody on the team,
43:05then prey to any higher power for good QB play in the future.Hey, maybe you have good QB play for somebody who's already got big diamond watches.Yes.You know? Maybe you do.I like that.Nick Gavin.Connor, can you guys fix the Mets next?Not paid enough for that.
43:23Sorry.Nemo, $20.Cleveland Browns have a very fitting name.Hey, hey.Watch it.Watch it.Don't mess with the dog pound.Don't mess with the dog pound.
43:37By the way, you saying pound, pause, in the Discord, in the NFL-S-Discort, the first chat post in the Carolina Panthers team channel was,sup, pounders.Oh, my God.That's awesome.That is awesomeI'd be in tearsI live in CharlotteI live in Charlotte North Carolina
44:04So people walk around saying thatNo absolutely no one doesBut I'm going to addressPanthers fans now as thatAs I see them in the wildI got something that I want you to workshopOr at least trial for meOkay
44:19Next time you're at like a coffee shopAnd you knowIt's going to be a close callOf who gets to the door firstHold the door open for someoneand be like, go ahead, pounder.Or you first, pounder.But pick your audience wisely.
44:36I was going to say, do that and just see how many times it takes for somebody to fistfight me.Yeah, that's what I want.Or be like, hell yeah, brother, thanks.You can walk in the door.Oh, boy.Bentley, $5 super chat.I remember listening to Connor debate quarterbacks in 2018 on Stick to Football crazy.Seven years later, we're still trying to find the guy.
44:56I feel you, Bentley.I feel you.Andrew, thank you for the $10 super chat.Off topic here,but one of my best friends,Jeremiah Cartwright,is following Summerall to Floridaas their director of football ops,
45:07wanted to let you have fans knowthey're getting a good one,RMFW, and go Gators.Let's go, baby, go Gators.I couldn't be more pumpedabout the Summerall higher.He's got a great Twitter account.Yeah, dude, he's awesome.
45:20And he's a psychopath in the best way possible.The right way.You know how Kirby Smart's a psychopath?You know how Dan Lannings is a psychopath.Dan Lanning is absolutely crazy person.John Somerall is a psychopath.Yeah, I think, uh, I feel without like any real, like analytical rationale,I feel good about that higher.
45:37Yeah, vibes,based higher is what I mean.I mean, it is a vibes based higher.Okay, we'll get back to the, uh, Browns here in a second, the last one.Um, Brayton $5 super chat.Please pimp my grandfather returning or, wait, is this supposed to say returning?Uh, featuring the Indianapolis cult.Oh, featuring, featuring, featuring.
45:55Please pimp my grandfather featuring the Indianapolis Colts and the 44-year-old Philip Rivers.Yeah.I don't know if they're planning a prank on us, but this looks unbelievable.I don't know what to think of this.I don't know if I am disgusted by Chris Ballard or if I respect him even more.Yeah, for not caring.You know what I'm saying?What people think.
46:22Yeah.Like, does he, is he just at this point like, y'all?I'm fired anyways.Call Philip.Who cares?Let's get him out here.I just hope they called Tom Brady first.Yeah.
46:36It's if they did, because if they didn't, that's malpractice.I'm worried for the man's health out there against Seattle.Dude, if he plays this weekend, he's going to know zero plays.He's not even going to know the receiver's first names.He's just going to be hucking it and shucking it.Yeah.Yeah.Absolutely.
46:55Jay in the chat said Trevor PhilipSigma. What does that mean? What am Iold? Maybe.What am I old?I think it's aHold on one sec.Yeah, it's a reference to GTA.Oh, is that the
47:12What you know? Is that the character's name?Yeah, it's you're an FPS only guy, soyeah, you're not about that life.I wouldn't, I wouldn't have time for this.Too busy ruin in people's day on multiplayer.And when I say that, I mean my own.Okay, let's talk about Kevin Sfansky.I think he's staying.
47:31We could operate that way.Honestly, too, the conversation with the team that people are probably here for right now is the roster and what we do in the draft with and without Chador.You know, obviously, if they did move on from Stafansky, it would be interesting to see what the pool is because you do need to make sure you upgrade over him.And I do think he's a solid to pretty good, damn good NFL head coach.but yeah we could operate that we thought barry's thing so i have some head coach candidatesi mean we might as well quickly go through them if you'd love to view them if we could show themwe won't make the higher so we won't make the higher um and i mean like we could againif you like one of these options better and you think that it's realistic i'm not opposed to
48:18it i just don't the way that the browns have currently built the franchiseguys. Someone coming in to be head coach under Andrew Barry would have to also be on boardwith how he operates. You know what I'm saying? Because if you're not, if that's not the case,it'd be terrible to fire somebody who has continuity with the front office and how they operateand how they go about things when it comes to signing players and the contracts and the strategythat they have for the long term and all that kinds of stuff. You have to find a head coach.It's not just about being a head coach on game days.you have to be a part of what the organization is doing.
48:56So the reason why I'm hesitant to move on from Stabansky is because very clearly he's in onand wants to build the way that they're building it.So if you're not moving on from Andrew Barry, I have a hard time wanting to also fire the head coachbecause then you might be totally screwing up the continuity.But that's just, that's my take on it.What do you think?No, I think that's absolutely right.It's which always brings up the combo we have of if you move on from one, why you should
49:22potentially move on from the other and this is a pretty not unique situation but importantsituation i'm laughing at content creator for john gruden that's really good it's i didn't evensee it until the chat was pointing it out i mean he is right he really is this is a fascinatinglist too because it's a lot of big names right like splashy names feels like mike mcdaniel'sgoing to make it right i i only threw mike big daniel on here just to because i think the way thatDaniel approaches the game is also very analytical.It's also sort of very aggressive.Like he's trying to find those like cutting edge ways to do things.
50:03And again, if you're moving on from Cefansky,I think you have to have somebody who's willing to do this the way that the Browns have been doing it.And McDaniel strikes me as somebody who could probably play ball with that.And that's why he's on there.You know, to back your point, Trevor, about maybe retaining the staff.Oh, geez, somebody said no Dion on this list.not that no come on now no i don't even think that would be a good thing for shudor umit would just create even more chaos but you don't want to mess up the defensive side of the
50:37ball either yeah with jim schwartz i guess there's a world where you can move on from stefanskyand retain jim schwartz and you would hire jim schwartz maybe to be the head coach you thinkor no i thought i thought that's where you were going no no no no i meant just keep him as dc evenknow you moved on from Stefanski like if you hired one of these offensive guys i would you're notgoing to upgrade from jim schwartz so that's another reason to right maybe hold on a little bit herewith the staff so what's on your mind there no it's it's i it's i i agree with you i again i thinkthat people look at the brown situation and i think that they're obviously really happywith unhappy with the results over the last two years specifically and they want heads to roll because of it.
51:30But I'm just not convinced that totally changing things just for the sake of changing things is actually the better way to do it.I don't mind how Andrew Barry is going about the contracts for this team.I actually think that it's a really innovative and aggressive way to navigate the entire salary cap.the defense is straight up one of the best defenses in the NFL 100% they are and it's got youngtalent the offense is really bad right now and if I've got if I've got a big complaint of thisteam it's the fact that they've let the offensive line get to where they currently are butwhen we get into the contracts here in a second there's also sort of a reason for that soI kind of will
52:21I will defer to you on this oneobviously the Game of Thrones mobin the chatwants usyeah wants Kevin Stefansky gonewhat do you think about this situationyou said that you were kind of50 50 with it right when we started this show
52:41where are you now after sort of looking at the listof head coaches that could be possible for this teamWell, I think that the big issue here could be that this might be mutual, right?He might just no longer align with the way they're doing things.Could be.Especially if his agent gets any chatter that there's other opportunities out there for him that he might like better.And the Brownsend's going to be like, that's fine.Maybe for the sake of this, we do.
53:10The thing that I want to emphasize, though, if we hire one of these offensive minds,I want to retain Jim Schwartz.And I don't see why he'd want to leave.Like, why would you want to, you have all this talent on defense, you're doing a great job.You have Miles Garrett.You have Miles Garrett.So I don't think it's unrealistic to retain him.Kevin gave us a $5 super chat, said he's top five to ten in penalties every year under
53:35Stapansky, garbage special teams every year that blows games.Horrible.And bottom three offense in the NFL in every match.This year, for sure, he definitely is.I haven't looked up the penalties and things like that.All right, if you're leaning towards anybody, who would it be?I mean, we don't think Stuyken's actually getting fired, right?I don't think Mike McDaniel is.
54:00I don't think Mike McDaniel is.I don't think that he's going to be available.I'm not hiring Joe Brady or Matt Nagy.It would be strange for the Colts to fire Shane Stuyken,given the fact that they were so good.And then Daniel Jones got hurt, and now they're going to miss the playoffs.but I think you know we've done a quarterback to you need a quarterback developer hereright it has and that's the other thing is I basically only listed often like Jesse
54:32Minter great candidate yeah it doesn't make sense here great half a great candidate but it's agreat halfway what'd you say he's a great he almost said he's a great halfley I mean he's a greathalf the better halflies out there he's one he's one of the best one of the best halfleysBut I just don't know how you're higher in a defensive coach, head coach, at this point.No.So those are the guys that came.To be honest with you, like, unless you like John Gruden.Yeah, I don't think he's getting back in.
54:59I just, I don't, I don't know who you fires Stefansky for.This is the issue.Right.This is the exact issue.I mean, is this somebody said, somebody said, Chip Kelly.No, probably not.Yeah.Probably not.
55:16Is this a Mike McCarthy destination?Mike McCarthy could work.Keep Jim Schwartz.Hire Mike McCarthy.If you could tell me that you get to keep Jim Schwartzand Mike McCarthy gets to be the head coach,I'd be all right with that.People are saying why not Joe Brady?
55:42Browns fans don't even,Bill's fans don't even like Joe Brady.I don't think Joe Brady is like the home run hired that,that obviously he's in a lot of these conversations because I think he's an option.But if you hire Joe Brady, you're hiring a much younger head coach.Maybe Jim Schwartz would stay on the staff.But if McCarthy's the head coach,I feel like Schwartz maybe has a stronger desire to stay on the staff.
56:10here's my take with Joe BradyI don't believe that Joe Bradyis going to be a better coach in this leaguethan Kevin Stavanskysee that's that's exact yesand isn't that what this comes down tothank you thank you for getting us back on track herethat's why that's why I said the John Gruden thing
56:28and I was like if you believe in John GrudenthenI could understand you wanting him instead of Kevin Stavanskybut if Stuyken's not getting firedif Mike McDaniel's not getting fired if Mike McDaniel's not gettingfired.Maybe Kubiak.I love Kubiak.
56:45He's had a great last two years, but what's the guarantee that Kubiak's going to be betterin Stefanski?Right.If you wanted to do Mike McCarthy, I could see that.I think that's one that I could talk to.I could talk myself into.I mean, to be fair to that, he would be good for a young quarterback here.I also think that.
57:12But we have seen time and time againand hasn't worked with him in the big dog's chair.Whoa, who? What do you mean?Josh McDaniels.Oh, whoa, whoa, whoa, I thought you were talking about McCarthy.I was like, wait a second.No, no, no.No.
57:27McCarthy's been a big dog barking before these guys were born.Some of these young guns are born.He is the big dog.That's what I'm saying.See,Kevin's saying y'all are acting like Cepanci's a good head coach.coach. I don't know, man.But what is the solution?
57:44That's not, and I do think Stifancy is at least a solid coach in this league.I do too.Trust me, you could always do a lot worse.The Titans have learned.It is ironic when we're talking about Kubiak because as somebody pointed out in the chat,and this was going through my mind as you were talking about him from Mark Martin.Kubiak runs his dad schemes and so does Stavansky.By the way, somebody in the chat, I think it was Greg, was yelling at us that Stavansky is a defensive guru, not an offensive guru, because he played defensive back when he was in college.
58:19Stavansky, Stavansky's background is, once he got into position coaching, he was a tight ends coach for the Vikings from 2014 to 2015.He was the running backs coach in 2016.He was their quarterback's coach from 2017 to 2018.He was the interim offensive coordinator in 2018.He was their offense coordinator at 2019, and now he's a head coach to the team.the browns he's never coached on the defense side of the wall always been on theoffense side of the ball he was on the viking's offensive staff for over a decade rightyeah what do we no he just because he did play db in in college he was yeah which is sick but
58:53yeah sick that doesn't mean like robert sala played tight end nobody looks at robert sala andgoes offensive mastermind just just a tight end mastermind right just uh just a just inarm day mastermind yeah and a shiny bald head grease okay ball head all right you make the calland we'll move on to the roster oh boy chat has me in a pretzel right now why they pay you thebig bucks do they i don't know you got to follow your heart you got to follow your heart we'rekeeping suvansky we're keeping suvansky we're running it back folks i i i three straight threeyears three years of drought for the browns fix your franchise and we get to this point and wekeep both of the guys that got them there that's what the people tune in for baby it was the
59:41heel turn of the century I took off my NWO shirt and there was an NW shirt underneath itoh man oh we just Sean Michael's sweet chin music Rick Flair right there babyRW Brillo goes you guys are getting paidbrings up a name that I'd be very intriguedto be honest. Oh, Brian Dable?Not as the head coach, but I'd be veryintrigued by Brian Dable to work with youngquarterbacks on this staff.
01:00:16You can turn Shador into a battering ram.Shador, hear me out.When your first read's not open,lower your head and a linebacker.Coach, they said we can't makethe helmet as a weapon. No, no, no, no.They changed that this year. You're good. You're good.Have you seen Jackson Dart's little brother?
01:00:37Or, yeah.No, it's the name.Younger brother.No, he's not kidding.I'm not kidding.No, no, no, no, no.I know.You're lying.
01:00:48Dude, Diesel, Dart.Diesel, dart?There's no way.Guess what he plays?Okay, it's either.Diesel Dart, where do you think he plays?It's either quarterback or pass.pressure safety yeah wow yeah somebody said he plays gta probably to yeah there he is diesel he's like
01:01:18jackson just with more creatine and protein everything that's he looks just like jackson but with moreprotein but just with more creatine and protein yeah that's unbelievable is diesel is legal name yeahOr is it one of those, you know, first name Diesel Dart?No, I really think that's what's on his birth certificate.Diesel.That's insane.Yep.He's a recruit, right?
01:01:46Isn't he high school still?Yeah, he's a recruit.He's playing, I think he's going to be on ESPN 2 this week for a national championship.Wisco said, what a waste of a name.He hadn't played in the league yet.Hold on.He can prove himself.Dude, I think he's got offers or at least interest by like Arizona.
01:02:01What if he's the White Camp Chancellor?Then what?Right?Then the name checks out.Oh man.Diesel, diesel dart, dart.Yeah, folks, you heard it here.I can't with you people.
01:02:17Yeah, you people are out of control.Oh, man.What if his name, what if is actually, Noah's chat made me think of this.What if his name was instead of Jackson, jacked,dart.DART.He should go by that.So Jackson and Jacked.
01:02:36And obviously this one would work out because he got more creatine and protein.Jacked and Diesel.The Legion of Diesel.The Legion of Diesel.All right, we've gone too far.Yeah, I totally screwed us there.Okay, let's get into the roster here.This is, I think, really the good conversation here before we get into the draft.
01:02:54Projected starting lineup that we have for this team.A quarterback, I just put question marks because I don't know, butChadour, right?Like, I think that he's probably the most likely to be the quarterback of anyone who'splaying for that right now.100%.I love the running back duo.I think Judkins and Samson are a fantastic one-to-two duo here for this team.
01:03:14I feel very good about that backfield.So I like those guys.Wide receiver one, not sure that we have one of those guys,because I don't really think that Jerry Judy is reliable enough to be.But Judy is going to be on this team next year.I'll get into the contracts in a second.Harold Fannie Jr. is the tight end.Isaiah Bond is at wide receiver three, I think.
01:03:31This is where things get really confusing with this team.And I'll talk about Andrew Barry's contract strategy a little bit more here in a second.But Connor, I have no idea who starts on the offensive line for this team next year.That's the consistent issue.Because I thought Jack Conklin was at least under contract for next year.He's not.I didn't realize this.They reworked his contract to where he,
01:03:59became a free agent this spring instead of next spring.So now you have Jack Conklin, Wyatt Teller, Joel Betonio, and Ethan Posec,all of them are unrestricted free agents coming up.And the problem with all of them, Connor, is that because of the way the contracts arestructured, they have void years after this, where if they are not on the roster,all of the void year money that is spread out, accelerates, and hits dead cap all at once.So the idea is that you like these players enough to where you're never having to deal with that issue.You are resigning them and you are extending them to activate those void years and turn them into real contract years instead of void years that can all accelerate if these guys aren't on the roster.
01:04:49But the problem is they're not good.This is one of the worst offense lines in the NFL.Yeah.And it's aged a lot too.So we are sitting here in a situation where I'm going to read off these numbers to you really quick.If these guys are not on the roster in, I think the roster bonuses are like February or March or something like that.Essentially, if they let them hit free agency and walk, if they go, ah, Teller, you've been great for us, you're not what you used to be, we're going to let you walk.Ah, Joel Betonio, you were great for us.
01:05:21You're not where you used to be.We're going to let you walk.Same thing with Conklin.Wyatt Teller, if they do that,negative, he is a 21.5 dead cap hit.Joel Betonio, $23.5 million cap hit.Jack Conklin, $13.9 million cap hit.You are taking on, I think that's almost $75 million of dead cap.
01:05:47If you move on from the offensive linemen who have not been good for your team.So they're in a situation where I have question marks up here for these players.players. But the fact of the matter is, they basically have to re-sign Teller, Betonio, andprobably Conklin for at least one-year deals. And rework the deal. Or else they're screwed.Well, I have no problem bringing Betonio back, even at 34 years old. I think he's fine right now.All right. I think Teller is an interesting combo. Conklin, who's always her. I mean, how manygames is Conklin missed now.So somebody said that Petonio is going to retire.
01:06:29So if Petonio retire...That's a good point.He's 34.I think they're fine if he retires.Like, if these guys retire, it's a different story.If they retire, I think that the cap is much more manageable for these guys.Yeah, so there goes that.But...
01:06:42So they need an entire new offensive line.Yeah, I...Yes, yes.Reverend Sal goes, all this sounds awful.Yeah, because it is.Yeah, it's...And Steve in the chat is, is...he's saying what the crux of the issue is.
01:06:59The contracts aren't the issue.The issues is that they're not good.If these are good players,they'd actually be in really nice situations to extend themand continue their contracts.But because they're not good,it makes it tougher to move on from those players,which makes you really have to nail player evaluation.
01:07:15Projected starters on the defensive side of the ball.Malie Collins,I know he's out for the year this year,but he's still under contract for next year.Mason Graham next to him,Miles Garrett, who's playing at an all-world level right now.Isaiah McGuire, who I think is a really good run defender for them.Carson Swessinger, one of the linebacker spots.
01:07:31They have Devin Bush, who's playing really well this year,but he's hitting unrestricted free agency,so maybe they let him walk if they think Jeremiah Wusu-Koramo is going to get back,because if so, then obviously you feel good about him manning that second linebacker spot.Denzo Ward, Tyson, Tyson, Campbell,maybe Miles Harden in the slot because he's been playing in the slot this year.Grant Elpit at one of the safety spotsand then Ronnie Hickman Jr.
01:07:54has been playing pretty well this season.He is technically a restricted free agent for them.He's playing good, so I think they'll all,I think they'll bring it back.I think they will bring him back.So, Connor, I think the defense is pretty much locked up.And what's even more amazing,this is the total opposite combo,
01:08:13the offensive line, you know, dilemma we just faced.He's hurt right now,but they also have Aiden Huntington.on this defensive line who's been a great find.Right.They were so loaded in camp that they traded Juan Briggs to the Jets for pennieswho starts for the Jets now.That's how loaded they were up front.
01:08:34They didn't have a roster spot for him because of what they found,Nate and Huntington and what they have on this roster.So for all the problems we just brought up with their offense,this makes you feel really good.There's not a lot of work to do here.Yeah, yeah.Ramies saying Devin Bush has been gold for them.He really has.
01:08:50It's crazy.Their defense is bust of all bust.Yeah.Their defense is incredible.And again, like going back to replacing the head coach, I think that JimSchwartz placed in this organization means a lot to what they do at head coach.Like if Jim Schwartz goes, nah, Kevin Savancy's my guy.And if you replace him, I'm out of here.
01:09:11That would weigh pretty heavily in whether or not you want to give Stavansky another year.but yeah so that's the roster that I have there team needs that sets up forquarterback being a question mark for them but then essentially wide receiver theentire offensive line and then maybe corner maybe maybe you got emerson coming back frominjury next year so he can man one of those outside spots you feel good about maybe any ofthose guys being able to play in the slot a little bit you got miles hard and so corner's sortlike a maybe but um not really well let's try to fix this offense then okay um really quicklycap space they have so they have negative 26.5 million dollars in effective cap space right now
01:09:56that's 28th most obviously it's what you would think it's towards the bottom of the listthey have 45 players under contract for 2026 um the thing is like i said they they navigate whichshout out to cam cam cam is in the chat right nownow cam i forgot your last name but cam has it addict of the pod has sent connor and igoogle sheets and youtube videos of him walking us through the cap for the clevelandbrowns which has been the browns and so many other teams which has been unbelievably helpful soshout at the camp for that he's been an incredible resource here i hope i'm not letting him downwith how i'm explaining these uh capped contracts here for the browns but you have of the free
01:10:41agents. Oh yeah, yeah, no, no, no. This is the right slide. Let's stick on the slide.Those, they are, they are $26.5 million over the cap right now.If they restructure the guys that you see on the screen, Miles Garrett, Denzel, Ward, Jerry, Judy, Grant, Del.But Jeremiah Usocorambo, Malik Collins, they serve, they save $30 million right there.Boom, your cap compliant. You're good. And then if you sign the guys, as I talked about,Wyatt Teller, Joel Botonio, David Njoku, Jack Conklin. If you sign all of those guys,another 30-ish million depending on how you extend the contracts and things like that becauseNjoku is in a situation where he's not going to sign like just for one year for you. You're
01:11:21going to have to sign him to a multi-year thing because he's a really good tight end. So that one'sa little bit different, but they will be able to get cap compliant pretty quickly and they willhave the ability to do that. As for Deshawn Watson, Watson's contract is a little bitinteresting. I do not think they are cutting Deshawn Watson this off season. They don't have thecap to be able to do it and it wouldn't make sense for them to do it. Essentially, what you wouldbe doing at that point because his dad dead cap hit is so heavy is I think it's like an $88 milliondead cap hit if they cut him in March of this year. And if you leave him on the roster,wait until next year
01:12:12post June 1 cut him after thatthen I think that you can spread out the dead cap hitand it's just like 20-ish million dollars in 2027and then 20 and 28 and you're good to goand he's no longer on the roster.But he's going to be on the roster for this teamnext year because they're essentially just payingthey're getting an extra $30 million in cap space
01:12:39just to have Deshawn Watson take up one roster spot for themand they're going to take that every timebecause that's how they've done the contracts.So he is on the team next year.They will post-June 1 cut him the year after that in 2027and then they will be able to spread out the remainder of his dead cap hitwhich I believe is like $26-ish million each year the next two years.so insane getting through that deal yeah so the question is will they have enough money to at least
01:13:14get one starter on the offensive line and free agency yes i think so i think so too i really do thinkso um because the restructures alone which are moves that they were always going to make no matterwhat that automatically gets you cap compliant and then if betonio retiresthey get some sort of cap relief right they'll re-sign teller they'll resign conklin and that again right therewill give them an extra like 20 million to work with right there depending on if they bring backdavid and joku they can get even more off of that because again you're looking at what theirdead cap hit would have been anyways versus an extension that you're giving them so you're giving yourselfsome cap relief even by extending the player or signing them to a new deal so yes i do think that
01:14:02that they could get one or two newoffensive linemen in free agency, I really do.Or to be honest with you, dude, maybe even more than that.This team spends a lot of money every single yearbecause of how they do these deals.And cash, they say what you want about the Browns.They spend cash as well from the owner.Right, right.
01:14:27That's the thing.The owners are willing to put up the cash.Yes.Yeah.So here's the Browns free agents that I have.These are just some free agents from around the league.This is, oh, this is their free agency class.These are the guys that are free agents for them this year.
01:14:45But the free agent targets for them, it's a lot of the same names that we've talked about, right?Braden Smith, Rashid Walker.That's a big one for me that makes sense for them.Which one?Rashid Walker.Because I think he gives you some, he gives you pass pro at left tackle in front of a young quarter.back. And I think Green Bay has enough, they know how to restock their offensive line that theywill let him walk. So Rashid Walker is one of them. Elijah Vera Tucker I have on here. Dylan
01:15:16Parham I have on here. If they want to lean more into like zone blocking scheme stuff, I thinkthat he can make sense. I got a couple of wide receivers to maybe add like, Olimade Tekeyes is playingwell for Chicago. Tyco on Thorne. If you want to, you'll get a deep threat type of a player in there.Jihad Dotson, maybe if you just kind of want to take a chance on himand maybe he's a good depth receiver for you.But they have enough, I think, depth receivers.They really just, they really need a star receiver, to be honest with you.Right.
01:15:40That's, yeah.Yeah, they have, like you said, Tillman, when he plays his fine depth receiver.He's just been hurt a lot.Bad concussions at the end of last year.So, so let's say.They got to draft a star.So let's say they're bringing back Conklin.Conklin will play one of the offensive tackle spots.
01:15:58Teller will play one of the.the other offensive guard spots.So we basically have center.And I mean, they have Luke Whippler.So we'll see what he looks like down the stretch here the last month.He could potentially be their starting center.But you basically have at least two, maybe three O line spots that you need to have new players in no matter what.Who on this list?
01:16:19Pick two guys on this list that you think are realistic for this team to go after and we'll sign him here.Walker at left tackle.Okay.All right.I think he has a good chance to get to the market.he plays left tackle, and they really need a left tackle.So,Rashid Walker at left tackle.
01:16:37Yep.The reason why we usually love AVT for every team,I don't love them for this team is their problem on the offensive line is guys arealways hurt.Right.So you're going to go out and give big money that you had to clear capsets forfor a guy that's always hurt.I don't know, man.
01:16:52If you need a stopgap center,Josh Myers has shown this year he could be a stopgap bridge center.they need more of a guard though right well it depends what they think of whippler yeah rightwe don't know what they think of him yet yeah but walker would be the guy i would stamp for thisteam just to have left tackle filled with a pro that's 26 years old okay all right so we've gotreceived walker in one of the spots uh somebody in the chat uh was talking about wide receiverswhich which which made well they were talking about juan jennings which made me think of thiswhat about Brandon Iyuk?
01:17:29Interesting.Right?It's not crazy because he's a number one.You get him on a little bit of a damaged goods discount.Right, because I don't know,I don't know exactly what's going to happen here because he will not be on the Niners.No, I don't think he'll be on the Niners,but in what way is he not on the Niners is sort of the question here?
01:17:50Do they just, because I believe I read that all the guarantees are voided on his contract.They're just going to come.Cut him.So they can just cut him.They're just going to cut him.I think that some, Jelly saying Iuk and Judy are similar.Ayuk is better, I think, clearly.I mean, they need to draft a high-end receiver.
01:18:14That much is clear to me.Yeah.I just thought to throw it out there.Okay, Rashid Walker is one of the picks here.And then.Yeah, that was Monty.I'll let you pick another one.I like Dylan Parham.
01:18:29I know Raiders fans don't like him,but I'll take him as a depth card.I think he could at least be a starter for you.So let's go Rashid Walker.Let's go Dylan Parham.And then let's get into this draft.Yes, let's do it.We've got two drafts to do.
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01:20:18going to do two different Cleveland brown mock drafts here the first oneWell, I guess we can let the board fall to us as we want to.But essentially, one is with Shadur as the quarterback.One is with a quarterback need.So, let's get right to it.Let's do a three-round mock.Wait, Tommy, got to pay you got to do three rounds.There we go.
01:20:43I saw it.I saw it right there.I didn't want to get too excited about whoever we were going to have at number fourjust to have the rug pulled out from underneath us.All right, let's do it.Let's get into it.Uh, Ruben Bain, Frana Mendoza, Peter Woods, off the board.Any wide receiver of our choice.
01:21:02Any wide receiver of our choice. Also, Dante Moore still here.So would we want, that's interesting.Would we want this to be the draft?Well, for the draft with a quarterback, do we want them to have to trade up to go get one?No.Not if it falls into our lap here.No, no, no, no.the advantage why we can no but i'm i'm saying like for a realistic standpoint do we think that like
01:21:29more and mendoza are going one and two so we could like pick a wide receiver here for this oneand then the next yeah okay i see what you're saying we're like trading up you see yep so do youwell we signed rachid walker we still need a long-term offensive tackle i think right but we don'tneed to do it at four we don't have we certainly don't have to do it at four it's it's not reallythat type of an offensive tackle classSo do you like Tyson the most here?I could be talked into Carnell Tate here, too.Man.
01:22:02Carnell Tate at 4.We did that for the mock draft,the full mock draft that we did on Monday.That's right.Keep him in Ohio.Fans will love him.I think his size is something that this wide receiver room needs.Some of the chat's asking us,
01:22:18as of now, is Dante Moore in or out?We are going to find out in the college football player.off i say right now he's in i i agree with you and remember we were kind of a couple weeks ago likeit feels like this is starting to turn his offensive coordinator left justice justice sayingi'm bringing the you hall now yeah we're taking carnell tate okay this show sometimesdoes please the people uh chat's saying that tyson's too hurtit's going to be it's unfortunately going to be a thing with him i'm not saying he's not going to goin the top 10 it's just going to be a never-ending combo
01:22:59so cronnell tate obviously having a fantastic year i think there's only one game thisseason where he is graded below a 70 as a receiver gray yeah right there the grambling gamewhich he didn't even play a lot right when they played them they're like get out of thereafter three drives yeah look at the contestant catch rate unbelievable from him just such a sure-handedplayer.I'm impressed with his route running.Oh, extremely.For a guy who size, I'm like, damn, his footwork, he is putting so much time.
01:23:25The cuts that he has on some of these routes are just, they're a thing of beauty.I can't wait to see what he runs at the combine because as of right now, like, I think he'sa good athlete.I don't think he's like a great athlete, which I always, I'm a little bit hesitant onpicking guys super high that aren't like elite athletes, but Tate is so productive.I mean, he's just the last two years.I think he's been fantastic.He's a younger receiver.
01:23:49He's only getting better.Low moving costs.Zero drops.You see the drop right there.Zero drops to this season.All right.We can go with Carlisle Tate here at the top.All right.
01:24:00This one's for the people.Keep him home.27 now.Basically don't need any defensive players.And that's all we have.That's great.Can we see O line?Right.
01:24:17Vega just went.Oh, that was exactly what I was thinking, too.That would have been.Okay, we got options.We got options here for offensive line.James said,Mr. Connor and Mr. Trevor,is there any way that the Browns trade up to the number one pick?
01:24:34We will explore that in the second mock draft that we do right after this.You like any of these guys?No.Stefanski typically does the,zone rushing scheme.Yes.And so for that,I don't,
01:24:51Dunker and Saraveld,I can be talked into here.Saraveld is the one that interests me,even if it's a smitch early.Upside at actual tackle would be Lomu.Caleb Lomu from Utah.I,I'm going to be honest with you,
01:25:07I'd probably take Lomu here.I think you're right.Even if you get into a situation where like,Conklin has a really good camp,you have him as a starter like loam was a young player i think loam was only a redshirtsophomore there's not even guarantee that loam was even in this class but if he is ini think that you set up a situation where he's sitting behind conklin for the only year thatconklin's going to be there which means he'll be starting in seven weeks essentially right
01:25:35like i mean it's a tough reality you faced roy said wait a second hold on here wait waitAnyway, Roy said in the chat, Tate and Sarevold can share the U-Haul, even lower moving costs.It is absolute brilliance, Roy.Somebody said, did Trevor Draft for the Lions?I was like, what does that mean?Oh, they pick Kenyon and Sadiq.You guys just, you know, you're, you guys just hate on the tight end movement.It's all right?
01:26:03You'll come around.That's a nice catch.Listen, everybody will come around.That's a really nice catch.You tell me the Raiders aren't better this year with.Tyler Warren right out there, because I'll tell you're lying.I think we should go with Caleb Lomo here.Let's do it.
01:26:16All right, let's do it.So I like these first two picks here.Obviously, they're picking very quickly in the second round at the top of the second roundbecause it's this fourth pick.So we've got a wide receiver.We've got a wide receiver and we've got an offensive line.So we have flexibility.I think that I could be talked into double dipping either of those positions once again.
01:26:38Saraville is still there.Damn, that's kind of niceBut then you're starting to get to likeChris Bell is still hereElijah Surat is still hereWhy did you're from Louisvilleand why you're here from IndianaI don't think I'd take Jacoby Lane
01:26:53because I like what Toman can beHave you watched Toulin a lot this year?Not as much this yearHe's missed a lot of timeI haven't eitherI still have faith in himHe looked so good last year before he got the concussionYeah, I still got faith in him
01:27:08It's like, hey, is this guy going to be our long-term number two once we get a number one here?I think they could.They could go another.Seravel being there is very enticing to me.Yeah, I like Sarevold.Me too.He's at a really good year.I got to watch the, I watch the Mendoza tape of the Big Ten championship game this morning.
01:27:29I got to watch the line tape, the battle, because Indiana and Ohio State, their trenches are so good.So I got to watch the all 22 of the trenches of that game.what do you think i'm sarah failed for me okay all right so they can't all right so he y'all we just we had a 20 minutecombo that nobody's left to play offensive line next year that's great yeah look you don't got to yousorry i'm yelling at you i'm sorry i'm yelling at you heavily investing in the offensive linei'm all about it let's pick sarahvelt let's get sarahvelt there 36 so now we've doubledipped on the offensive line we got two guys really like one guy who's probably a long-term guardfor you because sarahvel plays tackle for ohio state but i think that there's a chance he could
01:28:06be a guard in the NFL. And then you've got Lomo who is a verytratesy tools, the offensive tackle who might have thebenefit of being able to sit a little bit and he could be your startingoffensive tackle in the future when Jack Conklin is no longeron the roster. This one's sort of, you know, this is a freebie here.I feel like we've got a lot of flexibility now that we've doubled up onoffensive line and we have Cornell Tate. It is nice to havea little flexibility, man. Do we look at safety?
01:28:36I know we're kind, I know this is a defense.I think they'll re-sign Hickman.So then that will be a restructure on Delpit,a resigning of Hickman Jr.Man, I like these safeties.That's why, that's what caught my eye.I was like, I see a lot of people in the chatwants Skylar Bell.
01:28:59I don't hate that.No, I have finished watching him for our wide receiver episode.Uh-huh.He's got, it's, I said it before,jokingly by Yukon building the whole plane out of Skylar Bell.He's a fun watch.Their offense is like, let's, uh, let's throw a screen and then pitch the ball on secondand four.
01:29:19Sam in the chat says Max Clare and then you can just get a party bus to pick them up insteadof a U-Haul.I love it.The transportation just keeps getting bigger.We sent the 30-person limousine to pick up all our draftics from Ohio State.I don't mind Skylar Bell here.man.I'm down with Scott.
01:29:38He's kind of like a BPA-ish approach in this spot.Yeah.No problem with BPA offense for the Browns all day.Because all of a sudden, if you have Carnell Tate, Jerry Judy, Skyler Bell,Isaiah Bond, Cedric Tillman, like somebody's working out there with those five guys.And then you're probably resigning Dave and Joku, I think.Maybe.So you're going to have David and Joku and Harold Fanny Jr. back as well.
01:30:03You feel good about the offensive line investments.you've got two offensive linemen in free agencyand you got two offensive linemenwith your top 40 picks in the draft.You know who the chat wants?Who's the chat want?My guy, Emmanuel McNeil Warren,the safety from Toledo.
01:30:20Talk me into him.I mean, he can play a lot of different roles.He's looked really good downhill this year.He has experience playing free safetyand the slot a little bit.Big hitter forces aton of fumbles like fits the jim schwartzaggressive turnover kind of based guy
01:30:42he's got some range i'd like to see him finish a couple moreinterception plays but he has been able to get takeawaysbut just physical safety with size that can handle a lot of different rolesand he's in toledo as the chat pointed out that's very trueit's very true he's he's a player i think toledoi don't know how they keep doing this toledo but he's a player yeah db u they're calling itI would not argue against anyone that wants to say it.I don't think they need a safety,
01:31:10but if you really like the player,I think drafting...It's definitely a luxury pick.I think drafting players are,good players are, you know,important to the draft strategy.So I'd be okay with this.I just think he's really good.
01:31:24Well, you can take him.Okay.All right.Emmanuel McNeil Warren.Yeah, yeah.We'll take him here.So we've got Carnell Tate,Caleb Lomu, Austin Seravel,
01:31:34Emmanuel McNeil Warren, Mike McCarthy, obviously giving us a bad grade here for this mock draft.Because he didn't get the job. Yeah, he's listening to the show live. And so he was obviously very, he took that very personally. So that's our first draft of rolling into next year with Shudor Sanders as our quarterback. Let's do one more mock draft. Let's trade up to number one, I would say. So we can enter the draft and then just don't hit start yet on it. Yeah, right here. Let's go, what do you think it costs to get to? What's the?draft valuelet's see how many pointsoh manwe are1,200 pointshuh
01:32:18which isI mean that's going to cost usprobably1 27not going to give up the two it might cost it might cost a three this year and athree next year it feels like we're on the uh what's it called pawn stars best i could doyeah the best i could do or a future secondSo Gail said a future second
01:33:03You think we could do that?Yeah, I think we could do thatBecause we got to use some picks this yearTo fix this damn lineMan, it's tough businessI don't know if this gets it doneBut let's for the sake of the exerciseWe could do it
01:33:21We could do itBecause if you stick at fourIf you stay at four, you're notHere's the problem for the BrownsWe don't really have a choiceBecause we're exploring this scenarioAnd obviously I think that that is athat's a good thing to do.
01:33:32We're realizing how grim it might be to move up to number one.And if the Raiders have the number two overall pick,you're not going to be able to get to two to trade with thembecause they're going to take the other quarterback.So you kind of have to just pay the price here.So yeah, let's go both first rounders this year and a second and third next year.And let's let's do it.Let's mail it in.
01:33:56Oh, shoot, what happened?We didn't get it.What happened?Oh.Tyler made Tyler did what I do all the time where I think he hit the big button that says start draft instead of force the trade and that happens to be all the time.Yeah, Tyler, just restart it.So we'll pick the Browns three round mock.Tyler, it's not on you.
01:34:17That's not on you.It's not your fault.Yeah, there you go.So that's the he hit start.He did start draft because that's the big blue button that.Oh, yeah.All the time.Yep.
01:34:27When we have to hit force, force trade first.So there we go.Now we're at number one.The Mendoza, I'm guessing.Yeah, it's the Mendoza.Yeah, it's the Mendoza.We're taking the Mendoza, quarterback for Indiana.To the flipping Browns.
01:34:42Big Ten champions.So here is our second round pick.They're calling him Tyler Simmer instead of Tyler Cook in the chat.Ah, no, come on.Come on.You can't go after our chef like that.No.Not in this mission.
01:34:57It'll not be tolerated.No, no, no.So the offensive linemen that we picked are still there.We have the opportunity to get one of them if we really like those guys.Or do we just do something different and take Proctor even if we're questioning the scheme fit?No, I don't like that.I know.I think if I think we'll probably either take Lomu with Sereveld or a wide receiver.
01:35:22We're taking one of the wide receivers here.Well, yeah, let's see the board on that.siratdude i think thatit's not crazyit's not crazy at allawesome it's phenomenalthe timing between them
01:35:35once againlow moving costsokayi thinki think we shouldsojust for everybody out therewe could pick another offensive lineman here
01:35:47I don't hate that strategybut let's go for let's go forlet's go for sarat let's keep the connectiona mendoza sarah connectionyeahand nowWe got to take offensive line.And now we do have to take offense one.
01:35:59There's no way around it.Big Citrus, who could play both ways, of course.Probably Blake Miller here.Oh, hell yeah, baby.Yeah.I always believed.You got your wish.This is an ultimate Trevor draft.
01:36:13Dude, Blake Miller, now, Dylan Stewart,Dylan Stewart's been banged up this year,the pastures for South Carolina.Dylan Stewart's been banged up.He's been dealing with, I think, like a hip or an oblique injury.But I got to watch Clemonds.in South Carolina in person andBlake Miller
01:36:30very much was the better of that matchup between those two playersand then they went one-on-one a lot in that first half.So again, I think Stewart's beat upbut Miller handled him pretty good in that game.So I think we should go Blake Miller here.People who've been listening to this podcastknow that I've been a big fan of his for the last two years.And I think he's a top one to pick this year.
01:36:53Absolutely.all rightFernandoMendozaElijah SuratBlake Millerand we don'thave a second
01:37:03and third roundernext yearyou guysit's costto do in businessit is the costto doing businessokay
01:37:09so there it isfixing thebrownsunfortunatelywe did notgive in to themob mentalityAndrew Barry
01:37:17Kevin Spanskythey are stillhere as the coachesand what we'retrying to dois we're justtrying to makethe roster
01:37:22betterin the free agencyscenariowe brought backJack Conklin, Wyatt Teller, because we kind of have tobecause of the contract situation that those guys are in.We think that Joel Betonio was going to retire.We brought him Rashid Walker and Dylan Parham for the offensive line.
01:37:38Didn't make any additions to the wide receiver spot.And then we have obviously the two drafts that we just showed you there.Carnell Tate, Austin Saraville, Caleb Lomu, and Emmanuel McNeil Warren was the first one.And we're rolling with Shudorick Sanders in that scenario.Or the other one is we're moving on.We're getting Fernando Mendoza.He's the quarterback.We're getting Elijah Serraat there with him and Blake Miller at the office.
01:37:56offensive line. Let us know. Let us know which scenario you like the best, which draft strategy,any conversation that we had here during this Pimp Your franchise for the Cleveland Browns. Wewould love to hear from you guys. Best way to do that. YouTube.com backslash at NFL stockexchange at the comment section. Also on the Discord. Join the Discord channel. Get in on thetalk about this episode and so much more. We'd love to see you guys in there. We'll include the linkhere in the description for this show.I, Connor, I don't know how much time you have afterwards,but after the episode, we could do an after the episode thing
01:38:31and run through a lot of super chats for people,however much time you got.But anything else before we end the episode as we put a bow on.Yeah, if you're in the live and you want to stay on and hear the super chats,just stay with us and we'll get to those.But we'll, a lot of fun fixing the Browns.I thought both box actually came out even better than I expected considering what we needed.I was pretty happy with the results and how the board fell for this one.
01:38:53It's not always kind to us.it was today.But yeah, if you want to stick around for the super chats, please do, everybody.And join the Discord.Join the Discord.We're having a lot of fun in there.And if you enjoyed this episode or anything that we've done here on the show, we would lovefor you to subscribe.
01:39:07We are, you realize how close we are to 50K?I just realized Monday.We are so close to 50K subscribers on the channel.That's unreal.It's a big shout out to the chef in the back, by the way.Huge shout out to the chef for just taking our show to New Heights.It's been a lot of fun.It's been a lot of fun to grow with you guys
01:39:25from the very beginning to this point.We would love to get to 50K before the end of the year.It would be a cool milestone for us.And honestly, just for the NFL-See community.We'd love to continue to see it grow.So let's get to it.Let's get to 50K.Like Connor said, if you're still in the live chat here on the show,
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