NFL Stock Exchange: An NFL Draft Podcast - Fix Your Franchise: New York Giants (w/ 3 Round Mock Draft)

Episode Date: November 13, 2025

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Welcome to the opening bell of the NFL stock exchange podcast. Trevor's second, but that's Connor Rogers. I just, I love Tyler so much for actually finding the Pete Weber clip for the cold though. It's absolutely beautiful. Hello to the chat. Hello, everybody in there. We know we're late.

We're actually late this time. You guys normally yell at us five minutes. before the show goes live that we're late we were actually a little bit late this time it was not my camera or microphone's fault stop spreading lies in the chat i see you guys we're going to read them off in a second but what we're here to do is fix the new york giants brian dable has been fired joe shane still there for now for now for now leading the head coaching search we're talking about a lot of things here on this show we're going to give you the head coaching candidates to replace brian dable we're going to take a look at the roster we're going to tell you how we got here

Look at the records. Look at some of the moves they made. Some of the moves that they didn't make were to talk about the offensive philosophy for Jackson Dart and how you build around him. Look at the old draft history. Give you a free agent plan for this team. And then, of course, end it with a Giants three-round mock draft. Connor, how we doing, my friend?

I'm good, man. The cold open really brightens my day because you and I don't see them. We just let the chef go to work and he cooks. And he cooks. Every single time, never disappoints me. That was amazing. man, you know what, whenever you could have a guy on the hot seat, lead your next coaching search that the whole fan base wants fired, you have to do it.

You got to let them. You got to let them do it. So I think there is, there might be a reason why that's the case because like if you fire Dable and Shane in the middle of the season, especially with Mara going through the health. That's a really tough part in this. issues. It's like who else leads the search? Like, they could, they could hire one of those, you know, like committees or whatever. Wait. Well, the commanders and the Jets just did that. Well, hold on. Hire us. Consultants. We'll do it. No brainer. We got to cancel this show.

We're giving away valuable information. With Peter's backing. With Peter's backing, which by the way, $100 super chat to start the show up from Peter, you're absolutely insane. New microphone for you. He's trying to have me buy a new microphone. The mic's. fine. Oh man. For now. For now. We love you, Peter. We're going to get to all the super chats and everything. Shout to everybody who is watching the show. Shout to everybody who is in the stream before the show even started. It's incredible. You guys are wonderful. We love the addicts so much around here. Let's just start off with some of the super chats. Peter, the $100 super chat. You're the goat. Honestly, funding the show. Honestly, the reason why

Connor and I have food on our table, to be honest with you. You said, go buy yourself a new mic and a camera little bro. Love you. Love you, love you too, Peter. appreciate it. By the way, I, the little bro thing started last show when we were talking about, you know, what's the most offensive thing you could say to somebody like champ, guy, sport, you know, squirt, something like that. And little bro came up and let me tell you, I absolutely love that we're keeping this going. This is great. This feels really good. But now they're calling, now they're calling you big bro and I'm little bro. Oh, that's not good for you. Yeah. I didn't know that. I thought they were just little broing us. I know. I don't, I don't

know this is an inside job it was it was innocent before and now now it's not funny now we got to fight now now i have to fight you yeah to assert your dominance on the show that i am not the little bro of the show nice try chat man squirt is that's a tough one that's the toughest one if someone calls you squirt and you're not five years old or less yeah you have to punch them in the face yeah yeah not that not that we're not that we're advocating for elementary school violence but if you're six years old. That's over the five and underline. So you at least got to, you got to think about it here. By the way, $8.20 super chat. I said, Connor, Giants fans are begging you to execute a new mark files 2.0 style job hit on Joe Shane to get him canned. Can't do it. The trick is the person has to

not have gotten the job yet. Joe Shane, here's the problem. I liked the hire when they hired Shane and Davel together. I thought it was the right process. You know, we're going to get into all of this. Yeah. And the issue is now, I just don't think you move on from one without moving on from the other. I think everything needs to be aligned. And I don't think we're out of the woods yet.

I think there's a world that, you know, the Giants get a little bit more time to evaluate this roster now without Brian Dable at the helm. And maybe they do ultimately look to align a GM in a head coach after the season. Arlo said, saw the cold open for last show. Wish I hadn't said anything at all. Playing it in traffic to make up for it. If the GMEN hired Joe Brady, it will complete the cycle of hiring another Bill's offensive coordinator.

And where's Ken Dorsey? Not with the bills anymore, but should be on the table. Should be on the table for that very reason. Jonas, thank you for the super chat. Yes. Needed something to listen to. My car battery died. I'm sorry, Jonas.

That's hopefully somebody gives you a jump. Well, maybe, hold on. Maybe the car battery died because they were just listening to someone. many episodes of NFL SE. Takes a lot to power of the podcast. Yeah, right, right, right. We are now like these AI companies that need to have the electrical power of a small city to operate using that.

It's not good. Like the world is going to be over before our lifetimes end. But we'll, but we'll still be live. You know, if the world ends between 4.30 p.m. Eastern time and 6 p.m. Eastern time on a Monday and a Wednesday, we'll still, we'll be live for it. So whatever's going on, you guys can still. in while the world ends. NFL SCE live and then counting down the asteroid strike and we're just sitting here like clapping it on the thumb the thumbnail is just like me like this and you like that

and it's just like the middle picture is just like a zombie apocalypse or something man thumbnails dude they matter a lot wait okay now we've got a shout out for i believe her name is anne not annie but anne michael and michael may may which is drake may's wife who does a lot of baking TikTok videos I have noticed. And thankfully, Patriots fans are very wholesome about it. They're very supportive. I like that. So, you know, it's always like, got to make sure that my quarterback king stays well fed.

Thank you, Queen. Like stuff like that. So Patriots fans are having a lot of fun with that. So that makes that super chat makes sense. Notorious Mo. It's a Giants fan here. Welcome back, gents. Even though Shane absolutely refuses to log off.

Can you talk on who would replace? who you would replace him with please now fix my NFL franchise in my ride style I've watched so many episodes of pimp my ride after school the most the most egregious unnecessary additions to cars that I've ever seen by the way I saw one in person I saw one of those cars I was it like on accident no no no no so I was in California for we had this like youth group trip that we went to this church and a bunch of other like church youth groups they went for like a week and we did this sort of like you know convention get together thing and it was in southern california and one of the nights that we were there somebody at the

church knew somebody who had one of their vehicles pimped from the show pimped by the big man himself what by the big man himself yes yes yeah and they i don't even i don't even remember what kind of vehicle it was but it was the funciest colors. It basically was a stereo on wheels. That was basically what this car was. Yeah. There was like a PlayStation. There was always a play.

Always a PlayStation. It was like the trunk pops up. Here's a 30 inch flat screen with a PS2. A completely unnecessary and at most times unplayable PlayStation. But damn it, it was in that car. There's a fish tank in the center console. there it is with a coy pond in the backseat i think there i believe there's a reddit thread on what there's a reddit thread for everything but i'm pretty sure like

those cars were junk like shortly half the show oh yeah i immediately flipped like the infrastructure of the car itself we have a we have uh somebody in the chat who's like i'm pretty sure the cars aren't even drivable. Oh, street legal. Like at that point, they're not even, they're not even street legal. I wonder how that works with taxes. Like this

the show is probably a giant scam. I hate to say it, but looking back on it, there was probably a lot of bad loopholes in that show as cool as it was. Yeah, it's true. Okay. Mike said, no, they're not street legal. Thank you, Officer Mike. Joe said, yo dog

or you need a new whip. put a merry go around to the trunk that was pimp my ride that was pin my and i watched every episode i couldn't wait i could the reveal oh my god dude it's the most excited most exciting time ever cut to commercial right before they knew it every time they'd be glued anyways we're here to pimp the new york jets of course we're here to the giants sorry sorry the giants the giants that one actually that one actually that one's on me we're just can't be pimped okay The Jets need to strap on their new balances and put one foot in front of the other. The Jets aren't street legal, okay?

Okay. Where's Officer Mike? Oh, God. All right. We're here to fix the New York Giants. Pimp your franchise. We're here to pimp your franchise. Oh, this show is screwed.

We can't even get to the intro. Just two white kids talking about the NFL draft here to Pimp your franchise, of course. All right, let's get into it. Let's talk about the New York Giants, how we got here. Let's throw up the first slide so we can get this baby back on track. Hopefully, there's no, there's no chance. No hope. So here in 2025, Year of Our Lord, New York Giants are currently two and eight.

Connor, what I didn't know is that they're two and eight for the third year in a row. Oh, yeah, it's a tradition. Oh, man, that's not a tradition that you want to have. It's not a good one. Brian Dable, obviously fired, now midway through the season. His record last year, 3 and 14, his record the year before, 6 and 11. And I think this is really where a lot of the conversation starts with the New York Giants. 22 record of 9, 7, and 1.

That was the first year of both Joe Shane and Brian Dable, because the year before it was Joe Judge, it was a mess. They were 4 and 13. So they clean house and they hire those two guys. Dable was coming over from the Buffalo Bills. And I love the hire at the time. I really did. Brian's able had spent time at Alabama. He had spent time with Josh Allen.

At the time, he had gotten the most out of Josh Allen, and he had really been a, you know, boots on the ground. I don't even want to say like he was the main component of it, but he was real boots on the ground presence for what allowed Josh Allen to have a big turnover from his second to third year in the NFL, where, man, he's just been one of the best players in the league ever since. So you hire a guy like that. He goes nine and seven and one with a roster that had just gone 14 or 4 and 13 the year before,

He wins coach of the year. They get into the playoffs and they win a playoff game. My goodness, it couldn't look any better. Daniel Jones was revitalized. Sequin Barclay had a career year in a lot of ways, if I remember that correctly. But it was all pointing up. And then afterwards, a little disappointing the year after,

very disappointing the year after that. And obviously, we're now three years in a row. Pretty disappointing. Daible 1133 overall record over the last three seasons. 20, 40, and one overall. during his time, his head coach. And the reason why he ends up getting fired at this time, Giants have already blown four double-digit leads on the road this season,

one of them, of course, being the game against the Chicago Bears. That was Dave Bowles' last that he coached there. Connor, opening thoughts, thoughts overall, just the day bowl tenure, maybe that 2020 or 2022 season, just your thoughts there. Yeah, I mean, this is an era that, you know, looked really good. in year two, what he was able to get out of Daniel Jones. And he got a lot of the credit, understandably, for maximizing what they had that year. They win a road playoff game.

They just constantly were punching above their weight class. And I think that's the most important aspect of looking at a coach is how much does he get out of a roster in a situation? Because it's the sign of a good coach. Because then you assume if the roster gets better and he remains punching above his weight class, well, now we have a average to good roster. We're going to be a great team. and it just never went that way for the giants there was a lot of the problem when discussing brian dable is there are a lot of things when you say the what went wrong that aren't fully on

him right and that doesn't mean i sit here and go how could they fire brian dable brian dable had his own issues it all kind of started with the clash with wink martindale yeah really i feel like that was the beginning of the end talked about a lot over the last couple of days and And I was going to bring that up during the draft history part of it because part of why I really like Deontay Banks to this team was like the Wink Martindale connection and how Wink liked to run his defense. And he was best with Wink. And all of a sudden like, boom, okay, that's out the door. And you go, hold on, what just happened here? So yeah, I agree with you.

Yeah. And the story was that, you know, Dable wanted to fire some of his assistants and Wink didn't know. And when Wink found out, he was furious. And I think Davele, some of his flaws seem to be that he could be a little bit of an explosive personality and intense personality on the sidelines at the facility, which a lot of coaches are, right? It's just how you kind of channel those things. And you are responsible for hiring the right defensive coordinator. And when you let a guy go that was a pretty good one or you clashed with him, Wink was out on his own. You said, I'm not going to deal with this.

you know, it's been an awful year for Shane Bowen. And the problem is you can't go, well, Shane Bowen's defense. Well, Brian DeBle hired Shane Bowen and is in charge of Shane Bowen. And then you look at the Joe Shane side of things, you know, there's just been too many misses. And when you give him credit for his hits, they're like the in very obvious draft slots like Malik Neighbors and Abdul Carter and Andrew Thomas wasn't drafted by this regime. So for Daibu, it feels like he's a guy that we know he's going. good with quarterbacks and he's hands on with quarterbacks and he can

call an offense but that's so different from being in charge of the entire operation and the Giants as an entire operation had so many flaws beyond that weird kicking storylines like Graham Gano's not available to kick today and it just

spirals out of control throughout a game the defense punching below its weight class like this defense has a lot of talent but once again you're the head coach of the team You're not the offensive coordinator, so that falls with you as well. So Brian Dable, I think is better than what this operation looked like, but he's obviously far from being without blame.

And I do think the final nail was that the handling of Jackson Dart started to get scary to the people at the top. Yeah, right. I do think that that was a major, that was a major selling point. for ownership, you know, I'm sure that this wasn't necessarily Joe Shane's decision because he is tied to Daibel in a lot of ways. I know he didn't get let go at the same time, but I really do think that he has tied to him. I think he's been worse than him, too, by the way. That's what's very odd in all of this. I think Joe Shane has been worse at his job than Brian Daibel has been worse at his. There are some things that Shane has done well,

which we'll go over some notable moves, but there are definitely some reasons we got to this place. with their roster that I would agree with you. And I think I would be surprised if he is still the general manager when we get into January. But I'll get to that in a second. I agree that with Jackson Dart being in concussion protocol for the fourth time, including the preseason, it's a big issue here. And, you know, it's a little bit of a, it's a little bit of a damned if you do,

damned if you don't, though, right? Because we'll talk about Jackson Dart and what a good head coaching candidate would be for him to get the most out of them. But very clearly, the offense was very different. And it was better when the quarterback had some sort of a rushing threat. When Jackson Dart was able to give them that sort of a spark, you know, you're running RPO's, you're running read option, you're running QB power, those kinds of things. And Jackson Dart has been great at that over the last couple of weeks.

And to be honest with you, especially if you go back to when KM. Scadaboo was in the lineup, that's the way the Giants move the ball. And if you take that away, you know, if you force Jackson Dart to, just be some, you know, straight dropback passer, read the field and throw it. Then that's, that's not who he was. That's not who you drafted. And you'd sort of be, you'd be pigeonholing him into a role as a quarterback that you wouldn't want. So I totally understand like, oh, Brian Dable's been, he's been reckless with Jackson Dard. He's getting him hurt. Like, I get where people are coming from there. But is this not the offense? Is this not what gave you success? And I think that was probably

Brian Daibald's defense is he said, well, what do you want me to do? This is the quarterback that we drafted. He is a runner and a passer. That's how you get the most out of them. So I think that Daible's lack of success, I mean, starting two and eight, three years in a row, no question about it. Like, it's going to get you fired. You just can't do it.

Exactly. His personality, I think, goes into this and how he is just somebody who wears his emotions on his sleeve. you know what we've read from people who are covering the team day in and day out he can be a little bit of a hothead and i think those things work really well when you sort of have this us against the world mentality with your roster but when it doesn't work out that stuff kind of gets old pretty quickly so the inability to be the offense that you want not starting off for the record that you need to blowing the double-digit leads i think is the

big tell of like a head coach like when an organization can point to you and say you have blown double digit leads multiple times this season it's a close league it's a competitive league right but you can't be doing that as a head coach because of all of the well it's not entirely my fault well this that like there's other people who are at fault here that that's always going to be on you and blowing four of those leads this season there was just no going to there was going to be no surviving that for him that's right it's it's unfathomable when you watch these games you look at how the cowboys game ended and then you look at how the broncos game ended you look at how the bears game ended it's just it can't happen right it almost seems impossible for it to just continue to happen

over and over again and then i i know people like made light of this situation and i get it because there was parts of it that seemed funny at the time, but it really was emblematic of everything going on. Him going into the medical tent when Jackson Dart came out of that game, rather than focusing on Russell Wilson having to go into the game and continue to move the offense was just a dreadful look because it was a situation where, yeah, I understand, but you can't want to interfere with medical person.

personnel, especially when it comes to head injuries that are an independent neurologist. So even if you think you're going to be doing something there, they're not going to listen to you and nor should they even acknowledge your existence. Two, here's my whole point. That was a microcosm of Brian Dable's problems as a head coach. You're the head coach of the team. The team is playing to win the game. And you're worried about one player, very important player, who looks very good so far,

in the blue medical tent. Yes, it's one little moment and there was like memes that came out of it, but I thought it would actually was a signal of part of the issues with the entire operation. Somebody in the comments said, hey, Brian Dable is a really good example of somebody

who's a good offense coordinator. He's a good play caller. He's a fiery dude, not a head coach. And with how his tenure ended, now the way that it did, I unfortunately feel like I have to agree with that because of how he handled things as a head coach.

There's a lot of things that, you know, roster construction, guys getting hurt, like all this kinds of stuff that it's some of it's his fault, some of it's not, but at the end of the day, there are things that you have to handle a little bit better as a head coach. I don't feel like that he did, and that's, I think, why he is out.

By the way, shout out that franchise guy. Shout out Marcus, women who's in the chat here with us. He said, what do you bozo's doing? The Giants have Cam Scadaboo. They're going to be fine. Yeah, it's true. It's true. And when we get to the roster part of it,

of it when we look at like the core players on the roster, Connor, it's not the worst thing the world. Do they need help? Sure. But they got at least some pieces to build around. So I'm excited to get to that portion of the show. Well, I got, Trevor, I got asked on Kevin Clark's show this week. What rookie class as a whole has been maybe the most impressive? And I said the Giants have to be in that conversation. So that's, which is, I think Joe Shane's been awful. well hold on though but this is the problem it's like well this class could might have saved them whether you believe that's right or wrong i don't think it should have been enough to save him but isn't it such a weird combo to have yes so can we all right let's bring up let's bring up the

slide for joe shame um because i because i want to get into into this part of it okay no no no the draft history one is fine let let let's start here because i think this is a good one as well this is the 2025 draft and this is kind of what i was talking about where i don't want to necessarily sound like I'm this massive Joe Shane apologist, but I think that when people look at it, be like, he's the worst, like he's a dumpster fire, like that I can't agree with. So what I wanted to do, because we like to be transparent here on this show, we do draft grades at the end of every draft. And we've been doing this show for, this is our fourth year doing the show. So we have draft grades episodes going all the way back to 23. Those are three years

of Joe Shane's drafts. So you will see on the screen, the draft history, not only who was picked, but these are what our grades were the day after all of these picks happen. Now, we didn't get to watch them unfold yet for their rookie careers or their rookie contracts and things like that.

But this is what we thought of them. For the 2025 draft, Abdul Carter, you would not have gone with anybody else other than Abdul Carter. There was no other player to pick when they picked Abdul Carter. Brian David might have taken dart here, but it all worked out.

They get dart at the back. back end of the first round, who, DART looks good. I'll admit it. I was skeptical about DART, but he looks really good. There's no way around it. Dart has played his ass off. He's looked really good. Darius Alexander, love the value there in round three. Cam Scadaboo, I love the value there. Marcus Bo, I love the value there for those players.

Even the two guys at the end, we mentioned this on the draft grades episode. Thomas Fidone and Corey Black, all right. You're taking chances on athletic dudes in the seventh round. It could be difference makers for you. I gave him a B plus and you gave him a B. so here's the issue and really well pointed out from swanosaur in the chat Shane didn't even want a draft dart and I don't know if it said he didn't want to but with the footage we have of the draft room it is very clear he kept putting that pick

on Brian dable like it was almost going to give him an out in case it didn't work yeah so that's a little bit of the issue is that say dart works out and all signs have pointed that he's got a real chance to because he's played really well. She's got to protect himself. It's one of those things where, like, does Brian Dave will get the credit for this pick? Yeah, those are the... I think he does. I really think he does.

Those are the things behind the scenes that make it really hard to, like, totally judge somebody, right? Because I can look at this draft class on paper and say that I basically liked every pick that was there, especially the way that Jackson Dart has turned out. Now, like, I'll be honest, pre-draft, I probably would have been closer to where Joe Shane was, where I was skeptical about Jacksonville. Oh, I wouldn't, yeah, 20, like the trade, they didn't give up a lot to go back into round one for him, which was the right strategy. But right, nobody could sit here and say, like, oh, Jackson Dart should have been a top 10 pick. Well, then why did he fall to 25 and it costs, what, a third rounder to get back in to get him? Exactly.

So, so I think that we're giving table credit for that, then, hey, we're giving table credit for that. But the rest of the picks, I liked all of those. If you go to 2024, you and I both really like this draft from them at the time. You get a difference maker and Malik neighbors. Hold on. Tyrone Tracy, obviously, you loved in the fifth round. Tyler Newbin, we thought it was a really solid pick in the second round. I know he's struggled right now.

Andrew Phillips was excellent as a rookie. Now, he hasn't been as good this year, but he was excellent as a rookie. I think he's a starter for them moving forward. Theo Johnson's basically, they're starting. tied end and Darius Moussau is like a decent linebacker and special teams player from what I've seen. Yeah, this, right. I don't have like a massive problem with this draft. I wasn't as high on Phillips. I had him 98th. They took him 70th. Whatever. You know, it's, uh, he's, I thought he was really good as a rookie where I was like, yeah, I missed on that one. This year, I don't, I don't feel

that way. I think he's kind of more what I thought. But this is, you can't cherry pick one pick in the draft. I'm with you. Like Malik Neighbors is awesome. Tyler Newbin has been just okay. And I thought he'd be a little bit more of an impact player. I thought he'd be better. Yes. I thought he'd be better. Theo, when Jackson Dark came in, looked like the guy that we were all hoping for him to be. And then, yeah, Tracy was of value.

But I like this pick. I like this draft. And also, so let's let's not forget this as well. Shane tried to get up to number three to take Drake May. He called the Patriots and basically gave them as best as he possibly could. and the Patriots simply were not going to move off of number three overall. So he tried. Like he tried to go get the quarterback because they didn't have the quarterback.

So then now you're in a situation in the 2025 class where, okay, you're not going to get Cam Ward. You're basically like staring down the barrel of like we need one of these guys. And again, you guys can say that Shane doesn't get any credit for the table pick. And maybe that's the case. But that was a really tough quarterback class last year. to not have the number one overall pick and not be able to get Cam Ward. Any other team that needed a quarterback in last year's class was pretty screwed. And they tried to get ahead of it and be aggressive with it to go up and get Drake May,

but of course they couldn't. So I think that that hindsight part of it is important. And then the last one that we'll look at, let's look at 2023 because we have the draft grades for that one. This one, like I said, I was higher on this one. I give it an A minus. You gave it a B plus. This is Deonté Banks in the first, John Michael Schmitz in the second, Jalen Hyatt in the third. Eric Gray in the fifth,

Trey Hawkins, Jordan Riley and Jervarius Owens. It's really, when we give out draft grades, it's heavily weighted on basically the first three rounds. Deontay Banks, I love for Wink Martindale's defense, and then Wink Martindale wasn't there very much longer. John Michael Schmitz is still a starter along the interior offensive line.

Has he been super dominant? No, but again, I've been so disappointed. My grade was heavily weighted on him, and he hasn't been what I thought. Right. And he is, I think he's been okay. Like, I feel like he's been better as of late, But then the third round, Jalen Hyatt, it obviously didn't work out, but they needed a deep thread at the time.

So I understood the thought process of a lot of, of a lot of these selections. All of the, that to say, to go through all of that, I do think the people in the chat are correct when they're saying, not a lot of these guys have developed. This draft stunk. There's not really, well, certainly in hindsight, it absolutely stunk. Yeah, I mean, the first to say, like, my B plus grade is not, not, not. And we don't give out like a ton of C's. and stuff but yeah it's just not right it's just not right because jms need to be better and banks well banks again banks i thought would have been great for wink wink's barely there with him and so he

i mean banks has been gotten much worse bed long ago this did not pimp the ride this this draft absolutely did not there's no question but it was sort of like okay in the moment you can understand the picks that that are being made but they did not manifest on the field They didn't get better. They regressed. They didn't fit what they were trying to do. No matter who, like, who was making the calls, whether it was, you know, dable, offensive coordinator, defense coordinator, whatever.

It just feels as though I liked a lot of Shane's picks over the last three years. It has not manifested in the roster that I thought it was going to. Exactly. Here's the combo. Because this, I fell into this trap while covering Joe Douglas for years where JetS fans are like, we can't fire Joe Douglas. No GM has picked players like this for us. drafting players and building a team are not the same thing.

And Joe Shane has miserably failed at building a team. Joe Douglas, like Joe Shane, drafted some good players. Garrett Wilson, Breeze Hall, Ross Gardner, Jermaine Johnson, notice a trend, those were all top 40 picks, but never built a good team. And Joe Shane, especially on the offensive line, has not built a, good team. And that's where it's like you free agency trades and the draft and depth on the waiver wires and player development. This draft is the perfect example. You don't got to hit on round five through seven. But one of those four picks has to be a deft piece, has to play special

teams. Yeah. It has to be when somebody gets hurt because people get hurt every year at every position ready to fill in for three games and not look like the worst player in the NFL. And Joe Shane, much like Joe Douglas, has failed at building this New York Giants team. I completely agree with you there. And that's why I wanted to go through this exercise to lay it out where it's like, hey, on paper, you can look at some of these drafts and not hate the picks when they were made at the time. But the fact of the matter is, they did not make the Giants a better football team. And that's on development within the coaching staff when they get their hands on these guys.

it's about Joe Shane drafting the right players with the cohesiveness with the coaching staff and I think that's been a major issue for him during his tenure and if Tyler if you could throw up the slide with yeah Joe Shane is general manager this is sort of his background he's got that scouting background to him but if you if we go to like the notable move section for him these were the things that I had kind of written down for his notable moves that he has made since he's been a general manager. He got the big deals to retain the homegrown talent in Andrew Thomas and Dexter Lawrence.

Okay, that's good. You retain those guys. He didn't draft those guys, but you retain those guys, you made sure they stuck around. That's important. Acquiring Brian Burns when he became available, and I think that that was an aggressive move

that I really liked from him. Then you get into believing the one-year wonder of Daniel Jones signing him to a four-year deal. Now, the timing was tough, right? The timing was tough. we had their first year as a general manager and head coach and

Daniel Jones who had been hot and cold but mostly cold throughout his career to that point plays well under Brian Dable they make the playoffs with what they think is a bad roster somebody else's players and then it just happens that Jones is hitting free agency

so what are they going to do they opt to sign Daniel Jones it obviously does not work out for them he gets hurt he's no longer there doesn't help to see his success over in indianapolis and then of course letting sequan barclay walk go to the eagles have a career year be a reason why your rival wins a super bowl and so i think i think even though i believe that joe shane has done good things as general manager unfortunately connor i think that three things weigh the heaviest for him and why I think I would probably move on and why I think the Giants are going to move on it from them. The Daniel Jones thing, oh sorry, Trevor, go

ahead. I was just going to say, one is watching Daniel Jones be really, really, really good with the Colts. Yeah. I think that hurts him a lot. Oh yeah. They've definitely hurt Brian Dable as well. I think letting Sequin walk is something that is just a horrendous taste in the mouth of the owners with watching him be a catalyst for why the Eagles won the Super Bowl. And the third one is that Joe Shane has failed to put a good offensive line out there for basically his entire tenure as a general manager. And I think the bargain been shopping, the swing on Evan Neal, I mean, there's no way around it.

Like the swing on Evan Neal was really bad in that 2022 draft. Charles Cross is still on the board Ikea Kwanu was off the board but I mean Neil was a disaster for them and unfortunately they had to keep trotting him out there because what else are you going to do you pick the guy at seven overall

they tried him at tackle they tried him at guard and they let Evan Neal's failures be an anchor that weighed down the improvement of that offensive line because you kept trying to stick him in certain spots I'm not saying it was an easy job to fix the offensive line but Daniel Jones being good elsewhere Sequin Barclay being good elsewhere,

and the lack of ability to fix the offensive line for the last three years are the three things that I actually think way heaviest when you look at his resume. Without a doubt, it's not hindsight to question the way that Jones and Barclay saga was dealt with at the time, because I said at the time, why don't you tag the quarterback that you're so unsure of

and extend the running back that you'd know is great? But, yeah. But they did, no, they rewarded the quarterback with long-term security and never found a way with Sequin. Yeah. So it's just these little things turn into really, really big things. I even saw somebody in the chat, and this is a great call because I forgot about this player because we talk so much about Xavier McKinney. We talk so much about Sequin. And now this year we talk about.

Oh, yeah, McKinney, too. We talk about elite on the Packers. We talk about Daniel Jones. It was from Arm on the Sharks brought up Julian Love. Julian Love was awesome the two years after he left the Giants and went to Seattle. Awesome. Yep. So this is like, why is all this talent leaving and going on to be so much better,

which a lot of people in the chat like, isn't that also an indictment on table? And yes, it's an indictment on coaching. But it's also an indictment on the GM, which is the whole point. Everybody should be fired and everybody should be aligned together with the next regime. Yeah. And I think that that goes into what to your point previously where you said that on paper you can look at some names that Shane has acquired or drafted and say, all right, like we could point to these as maybe objectively good moves. Did they make the giants a better team? And there are too many times when that answer is no. And I think that is that speaks to the product on the field. That speaks to the regression of. talent around them, whether it was just development for rookies or guys being cohesive and being able to play well for certain defensive coordinators, defensive schemes,

offensive schemes, whatever it was. They've made a lot of moves. There have been some players that are in and out here, but they have not made the Giants a better football team. Joe Shane has not made the Giants a better football team, maybe a more talented one in some ways, but it has not come together. And I think the proof is in the pudding when you start two and eight for three years in a row. and it's hard to get over that.

Yep. You want to fire off on some super chats before we get into some head coaching candidates. Yeah, because the meat and potatoes combo is definitely going to be the head coach. Yes, all right. I will let you start and then. Yeah, let's do this. Big dog, thank you for the super chat. So cool that all the dolphins need to do is fire Chris career.

No need to fix us. Dolphins minus two and a half in Madrid over the commanders was one of my favorite early lines of the week. I think, man, Mike McDaniel is a good offensive mind. I know he gets laughed at and memes, but the man can coordinate a run game as good as anybody in football. McFarland, Jeffrey, Jeff Roy. Thank you for the $20 super chat. Unfortunately, I cannot watch live as the podcast is perfect for my hour commute to school

on Tuesday and Thursday morning. Any way you consume it. Thank you very much. Good luck in school. And your niece, thank you for the $5 super chat. Joe Fagnano from Yukon needs more attention with his 25 touchdowns and zero interceptions. Ohio, O-H-I-O-H-I-O. Skylar Bell is the best prospect on that team, the wide receiver.

I got to watch him again. Yeah, he was stuck up for me like week three. He was. We didn't talk about him, but Skylar Bell is a real NFL talent. Playing well, playing super well. L-A-D, thank you for the super chat. Appreciate you, no message, just love. Ethan Bailey, thank you for the $5 super chat.

Giants next coach is already in the house. James, please come up to the podium. B-D, thank you for the $5 super chat. That would be, yeah, we're going to hire James Winston. do you guys make a bryce young's performance last week also this podcast is a blessing you've helped me through some stuff love you all we love you too thank you so much for the kind words hopefully we're always here for you yeah uh whenever we can be what do you guys make of bryce young's oh no oh there it is there it is no no we'll fix it we'll fix it don't worry don't worry

bryce young the problem if there was one with the panthers being better than we thought this year is that you start to figure out what the problems are within the team or what the limitations are with the team. And it just feels like as much as Bryce Young has improved since his rookie year, which was a disaster, there's a lot of good with the Panthers. They could run the ball. They got a good offensive line. They have talent at defense, that interior defensive line, corner, Nick Scorton's going to be a

good pass rusher. When they lose games like that, you look at it and go, is this the quarterback to take us where we need to go because Dave Canales looks fine and that was a tough one for Bryce yeah I the issue with Bryce now is consistently being able to pass a ball deep down the field um he was really good to that during the second half of last season when he came in and that was the reason why his pff grades were so high why the Panthers were able to play really well and he's lost that this year he's he's I believe one of the lowest graded quarterbacks over the last couple of weeks are you laughing at the camera comments yeah hold on

Maybe ground. Hopefully we're always here for you. Immediately disappears. That's damn. Damn. I didn't even think of that. Beattie, I promise. That wasn't on you.

It's on me. Yeah, but Bryce is just, if he's not, if he can't consistently push the ball 10 or more yards down the field, you can say whatever you want. Hey, they only have 10. Like Xavier Legat's been disappointing. Jaylon Coker's been hurt.

I get all that stuff. Bryce is still going to be a lot better than what he was over these last couple weeks. so there's no doubt about that um let's see nathan five dollar super chat you guys see the clip of josh allen throwing over niagara falls with peyton manning that's the pain's places right that's true that's true arm talent that's the measure of armed talent a call back josh allen's arm's pretty impressive a a callback to a uh a bit that we had earlier in the season so we love that nathan carter five dollar super chat can the addicts get a discord going best community on youtube i i I really do. I love you guys. We're not just saying this because it's biased. We love everybody

who gets in on the chats. This is so much fun for us to do. We obviously have a blast on this podcast. Hopefully it always comes out. And the reason is because you guys make it so much fun. You guys have asked for a Discord for so long. We just, I don't, I don't know, I don't know crap about Discord. I don't know anything about it. We need manpower. So I can't use that excuse because I have one for Badlands. That full transparency, I didn't start. We just have a lot of manpower at Badlands. We have like a 10-person team, and this guy, Andy, who's awesome, huge Jets fan, just volunteered to run it and moderate it for us.

And it's an amazing Jets community that we have. But full transparency, I love my Badlands community of about 5,000 Maniac Jet fans. The Stock Exchange community is even bigger because we cover every team and we cover the NFL draft. And we are beyond blessed that this is an issue. But if we started a discord, it would be way bigger than that within a couple of months. Right. And it does require manpower because it is a responsibility. Trevor and I care about fostering a community that is very uplifting and positive, as you see in the chat.

Right. Which is, like, I am so grateful for that. The chat takes very little moderation where I would want the discord to be the same way. So if we do it, it'll be done right where it's a very, very good place that you want to be. 100% absolutely zander says zander in the chat says i'll volunteer i run a few discords of my own hey zander we might be hitting you up we might be hitting you up seriously contact to maybe start that up um marcus rickard five dollar super chat says love the show um who are some tackles in play at the end of round one for my nineers love the lomo pick and the mock um also prisoners is the best uh jake

jillin hall movie oh phenomenal movie that trevor hasn't seen have nominal yeah yeah oh i won't spoil it End of round one, honestly, like Caleb Blumeau, I think is a great, I think that's a great shout out, to be honest. I might get there with my guy, Nicky Prongos, the offensive tackle from Stanford. Austin Sarreveld from Ohio State, if you believe that he's an offensive tackle and he's in this class, although he's a true junior. I think that's an option. He could be a guard.

Very, very good prospect. I think it's just a really good player. Caleb Tiernan, the offensive tackle from Northwestern is going to get some love. So those are a couple of names there. Guard. Maybe, maybe. Isn't Caleb Tehran like 6-7? Yeah, but you know what?

It's crazy about him. I think he's got like 31 or 32-inch arms. I know, but he's so tall. Yeah, that's worse. I don't love guards being tall. You can't block a tackle like this as a T-Rex. It's so hard. I'd rather him be short.

I'm just going to put him at... Good football player. Oh, man, you're 6-7 farming again. Yeah, we are. true you just ruin the chat libertarian saskwatch says love the show pip squeaks oh get owned stuff uh this the last one and then we'll uh we'll get back to it uh brendo brendo with the two at our super chat says drake drake drake may may may yes it's a good one it's good one to get us uh back here in on the show head coaching candidates for the new york giants

let's talk about them yep wow look at that picture these Are the names that I compiled for the New York Giants? Of course, in the chat, I would love to hear from you guys. Any of the names that are on there, any of the names that aren't. So for those of you who are audio-only listeners, on this list, we have Bill Belichick, head coach, North Carolina. He was the defensive coordinator for the New York Giants in the 80s when they won two Super Bowl rings. So he's got the familiarity with the franchise. He's got the legacy with the franchise.

And it could be his ticket back. By the way, Bill Belichick is 16 wins short of George Hallis for Hallis for second all time in the NFL, and he is only 26 away from Don Chula. You know that man wants to be number one. It's going to stay that way, partner. Wow. Wow. Wow.

Steve Spagnolo, defense coordinator for the Kansas City Chiefs. He's got a connection to the Giants. I think he could be an option. Mike McCarthy, the PFF mock track. Simulator Overlord. I think if you want head coach experience, that could be an option. Cliff Kingsbury, the office coordinator for the commanders, which I'll get to in a second. Kevin Sopansky, head coach from the Browns.

If he ends up getting to let go for the Browns, I think he is an option here. Rex Ryan, who has the perfect veneer smile on ESPN NFL countdown. It's an option there. Joe Brady, the offensive coordinator for the bills, although like a commenter said earlier, I don't think they're going to go for that. Jeff Hathley, the defense coordinator from the Packers. Steve Sarkeesian, the head coach from Texas. And then, of course, because I had to throw it in here.

Lane Kiffin, the head coach at Ole Miss. Connor, I think that the number one, well, actually, I think the number one qualification for the Giants at this point is somebody who has head coaching experience. I think that's what they're going to go for. I don't think they want to run it back. I don't think because of what we talked about with Brian Davel, good offensive coordinator, good offensive mind, knows how to make it

work with quarterbacks knows how to make it work on offense just not a head coach and i don't think they will they they went through that with joe judge before they went through it with brian dable a little bit more traditional of a route i don't think they want to mess with it again i think they want somebody with head coaching experience whether it's at the college football or NFL level much preferably the NFL level and then of course number two what are you with jackson dart what's your offense like does it line up with what he likes to do well can we believe it you to make him better and are you going to run an offense that's friendly enough for what like what dart likes to do his skill set to be able to put up put up some points next season so

I think those two are the main qualifiers for the job what do you think about that what do you think of the candidates and who do you think is a front runner I agree with you I think they'd love if they can get a guy with experience that is you know obviously qualified um for the job the problem is it's hard to get those guys we don't know if the fancy is going to be fired obviously John Harbaugh would be a dream if the Ravens just fall short and feel like they need to change. I saw the chat saying this name a lot

and I agree this is not an experienced guy but Jesse Minter will be in the mix for this job. Yeah. Without a doubt, he was on our list. It's just you only have so much room on the graphic. Yeah. I'll tell you what, man. I don't think you should sacrifice

the qualification of a candidate just because he has experience. And that what makes me worried if they go with a guy like Spaggs. Spags is an awesome D.C. He knows the organization. But is Steve Spagnola, you know, the move the Giants need to make here because he has experience and he's been a great D.C. And he knows the organization.

I just think you need more upside than that. I really, really do. So that's the tricky part of this job. McCarthy feels like the warm choice, where it's like, we know what he is. Right. And I think naturally fans are just so uninspired by McCarthy, despite that the fact the guy wins and does bring a pretty respectable presence to your organization.

It's just the playoff shortcomings for Dallas is a hard one for him to get past. Yeah. There's no way you could, if they bring in Belichick, this state of Belichick, I don't even know what Bill's staff would be anymore, considering the staff he couldn't bring to UNC. Like Josh McDaniels is killing it in New England. Matt Patricia is killing it at Ohio State. I really hope that's the road.

They don't go down, honestly. So yeah, it's, there's not an overwhelming, you know, and Brian Flores is a tricky one because of the previous situation with the hiring process in him. Right. Because Brian Flores, to me, is the most qualified combination of a guy with head coaching experience, but an awesome defensive coordinator, also from Brooklyn, New York.

So that's one where it's like, it's hard to figure out the way that's resolved. But I think Flores would easily be one of the best candidates depending on his OC. Yeah, easily. I love Brian Flores as a candidate for ad coach. I just have no idea where we stand. The logistics of everything. It's not very public. I don't, I just don't know.

I don't know. But he would certainly be considered. I didn't know that he was from, would you say he's from Brooklyn? He's from Brooklyn. I didn't know that. Yeah. Oh, man, that'd be a nice fit. Yeah.

I like that. So. Yeah, I think he's from Brownsville, actually, which was a tough part of Brooklyn. There's a, like Jesse Minter, I think it could be a candidate. Anthony Campanile, the defense coordinator for the Jags, I think he's very up-and-coming. Chris Shula, under McVeigh staff. Like, I think those guys are all, if you want to, if you want to try somebody who's like a first-time head, coach, I think those are the names that you think of.

I just don't know if the Giants are going to do it. Coming off the heels of Joe Judge and Brian Daybro. And both of those guys just not succeeding for what feels like the same reason. Ben McAdoo. Right, right. So I just, people are saying Mike Tomlin, Mike Tomlin's going to retire a Steeler. Yeah, I feel like this is kind of like the dance we do every year. And some people are saying Mike McDaniel, if he gets fired at head coach to be the offense

a coordinator for like a defensive minded head coach right like i mean steve spagnolo uh brian flores that'd be amazing guys like that that would be amazing especially because a lot of what miami does if i remember this correctly well it might be different this year so i don't want to say that but getting into the dart stuff and why i think that cliff kingsbury is sort of like a name that people look at and they just go like ah no no no no i don't want anything you do a cliff kingsbury when you look at Jackson Dart, the things that he did well last year when he was at Ole Miss and the things that he did that he's doing well now in the NFL, it centers around a couple of different aspects of offense. The first one is tempo. Jackson Dart operates very well when

you have a tempoed offense, one that's running pretty fast, one that gets the ball, you know, snapped very quickly out of his hands pretty quickly. And that doesn't mean that he's not holding on to it for deep shots. It's just this is a high tempo. offense. He operates very well when that's the case. It's very shotgun base. That's what he's used to. So shotgun, tempo, RPO, and read option elements that he ran very well when he was at Ole Miss. Obviously he is running that well with the New York Giants as well. And then when he was at Ole Miss, almost exclusively did they run out of 11 personnel. I mean, they had three wide receivers on the field at all times. And it was just different formations, different looks,

but it was a lot of the same personnel that was out there. You're running tempo with the same personnel and you're able to do a lot of different things out of those looks from 11 personnel Cliff Kingsbury I think lines up pretty well there he's a he is it's a it's a it's an offense that let me make sure that I have the details here for him a lot of RPO stuff a lot of read option stuff that could exist within his offense highest percentage of shotgun and fourth highest percent of RPO last season with Jaden Daniel so this is something that he wants to do there um as another offensive guy on there like Steve Sarkesian if you were to think about him he doesn't run a ton of tempo stuff but over half of his offenses from 11 personnel so that's sort of why I threw him in there

whoever the offensive coordinator is going to be is going to probably have to be somebody if you want to maximize what Jackson Dart does really well you want him in that shotgun can see it got multiple options let's be fast let's go tempo let's run 11 personnel quite a bit so that is the type of offense that I think he would, Jackson Dart has thrived the most under over the last two years. And Cliff Kingsbury is actually a really good fit for that. I don't really know if McCarthy's offense is that good of a fit for that. McCarthy is a little bit more of your traditional like can get under center, play action. It's a lot of West Coast stuff. I know he sort of reinvented himself and his, his offense and his play calling over his last couple of years with Dallas,

but it's more of like West Coast based stuff. Stephansky can do a lot of different. different things, but a lot of what Stefansky does really well is through the run game, specifically when you can get into like those outside zone runs and really be able to take runs to the sideline, have some pulling offensive linemen. And I know the offensive line is going to change for the Giants, but when they were at their best with Camp Scadaboo, there's a lot of between the tackle stuff. It was a lot of power stuff. And I don't know if really that's the best version of Stefanski's offense with him,

liking to get out in space with the outside zones and a lot of the pulling stuff. So I just have some reservations a little bit with those. guys when it comes to a fit for the offensive philosophy of what you would want to be. But I really do like, I like the idea of Cliff Kingsbury, where I think some people might just, you know, poo-poo it just because of Cliff Kingsbury's history. Yeah, and I think another offensive name, although his, his offense with Seattle this year is a little bit different than what you were breaking down is going to be Clint Kubiak. I mean, he's somebody that I love Clint Kubiak.

Clint Kubiak is a really smart offensive play caller. Seattle's offense is one of the more varied personnel groupings you'll ever see. I mean, they're only running 11 personnel 36% of the time. And then it's a ton of 12, 21, 22. They play heavier sets. But Darnold has looked his best. And you can envision the way they use JSN at all three levels of the field, them doing that with Malik neighbors.

And if they get another tight end on this roster and you have Theo Johnson and that tight end, you can run a lot of these personnel groupings. And I don't know, like, I agree with what you're saying with Dart, but I think Dark can expand what he's able to handle as well because of his talent. So Kubiak, if they're going to go with the hot offensive coordinator, it feels like Kubiak would be right at the top of the list. Alec is bringing up a fantastic point with this $5 super chat. And we appreciate you for this, the super chat and for this. Didn't Brian Flores try to sue the Giants specifically because Bill Belichick sent the wrong Brian a congrats? and he was mad that Daibel had already gotten the job,

and he's suing them because he thought that they went about the Rooney Rule as a sham. That is correct. I totally forgot that the Giants were the team. I just didn't know where that was. I forgot that the Giants were the team that that happened with. Yeah. I totally forgot that the Giants were the team.

I remember that happening. I was just like, oh, yeah, yeah. I remember that, but I totally forgot that it was the Giants. So he's not going to be a candidate for the Giants. I need to read this super chat that just came in from Hayden. Okay. Love this show. You guys are my girlfriend's least favorite people ever.

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How about this? Steve Spagnolo Mike McDaniel offensive coordinator how do we feel can we do that I don't love the Spags hire but at least you beefed it up

as nice as possible like you gift wrapped it as nice as possible with McDaniel who would you lean then with it with a head coach Matt I don't think they're going to do it

yeah no I get you asked me what I would do not what they would do yeah but I totally understand we can go spags is such a giant we know him he's got experience he's a veteran yeah you're like you're going down

the realistic pathway i feel like that one makes the most sense chat what do we've had what do we think what do we think here yeah wait 10 dollar super chat from uh friend of the show good friend of the show sam monson um who does a great job with with Steve Palisola on the Check the Mike podcast. You guys should also be subscribed to that show. Hey, both of you specifically because of your beautiful heads of hair. Love you, Sam. Thanks for tuning in.

There's beauty and baldness. I tell Matthew Barry that every day. There is. All right, we got people. Shout out Matthew Barry. Shout out. Kiffin. This is right.

Y'all fixing her pimping the team. Big difference. Nemo says Todd Munkin. I would love for Todd Munkin to be the head coach. I've just I've run out of faith that it's going to be him that that he's going to get a head coach and it feels like there are some guys that because of like their personality for better or for worse they just don't get that was kind of the thing around Mike McDaniel for a while it's like yeah this guy like is he going to be a head coach and fortunately he got a shot um munkin is

munkin is like a pretty blunt honest guy and sometimes owners don't love that as crappy as that is. I think we should go. Spags and McDaniel. I think we should go Spags and McDaniel. Let's do it. I like that. Just because, again, guys, the Kubiak one, I love the Kubiak one, but I don't, from what I have

heard to this point, there's a lot of people, whenever I bring him, his name up as a potential head coach, a lot of people are like, he does not have the personality of a head coach. And maybe, and maybe that's just, I don't know, like, maybe that's just like people saying that I don't know where. I've never interviewed him. I've never got to me. I don't know. I don't know.

I really don't know him super well. But what he is doing with the Seattle Seahawks, he's going to get a chance to interview for head coach. There's no doubt about it. You get to show that he has the personality for sure. I would put him into this conversation. I just don't think the Giants are going to hire somebody who hasn't been a head coach. So let's go Steve Spagnolo and Mike McDaniel.

We haven't done that yet, have we? No. Or have we? No, no, no. We haven't had Spags on a list. Did we do that for the Titans, though? Didn't we give him McDaniel? I felt like we did.

Who was the head coach, though? Didn't we do like John Harbaugh? We were like, ah, John Harbaugh. Probably. Probably. But that was when we, it was our first one of the year. Like, we love dreaming. This one's a little bit more realistic.

Yeah. Take Jim Nagy. No, no, no, no, no. Jim Nagy. I think they're talking about Matt Nagy. Oh, Jim Nagy. I said Jim Nagy. Shout to the senior ball.

Well, not the senior ball. Shout to Oklahoma football. Oh, God on Oklahoma football. Jim Nagy. Oh, man. All right. The show is out of control. We're going to Steve Magnolo.

and we're going Mike Betanio as the offensive and offense coordinator head coach. Okay, let's get into really quick, offensive core players. So let's get into the offensive philosophy. This is pretty easy. Yeah, Connor, this is what I got here. Jackson Darry, Camp Scadaboo, Malik neighbors, wide receiver two. They made Gary Slate and a lot of money, which is another- They can't cut him.

I tried. I tried. I went through the exercise. They can't cut him. No, he's here next year. He's here. So Theo Johnson is. well he'll be tight in one daniel bellinger's a free agent we'll talk about that in a second

andrew thomas offensive tackle maybe is your main illuminore who's a free agent you can bring him back if you wanted he's been pretty good signing for them he he has been fine yeah he's been fine i could live with that but two no offensive guards probably i mean basically all of their guards are free agents the only one who isn't john runyon who's a cut candidate for them and then john michael smits playing at center he's who needs to be better he does on the defense side of the ball Andrew, wow, that offensive line is amazing. It's all a question marks besides Andrew Thomas. In theory.

It's the mystery box. It could be good. Okay, this is at least a lot more promising. 100% it is. It actually makes you wonder how the hell is this unit so bad sometimes. Shane Bowen, my guy. What's he cooking? What's he cooking?

He's eating soup with a fork. Like, I don't understand. I don't understand. And it can't be the pulse. It cannot be the pulse in a divo's hurt. It can't be we pull the pulse in the Debo Jenga stack out and the whole thing falls down. That is not possible.

You ever envision somebody eating soup with the fork? I was not ready for that. Yeah, you were not. I'm always cold open farming. You are, yeah, yeah, you are cold open. farming there's no there's no doubt about it roy says the chain bow and got dable fired man well he was the final nail yes it isn't it is an underwhelming unit there's no doubt brian burns abdul carter cave on tibedo i have him on here i don't have him with the core

player star he's going to be going into his fifth year option next year but he's somebody who depending on what the if there's a new gm if there's a new gm i really do think the kvon tibod could be moved i would completely agree if not i don't don't think that Joe Shane's going to move on from him. But if there's a new GM, I think you can move on from Kvon-Tibodeau. But Darius Alexander, Dexter Lawrence, like, all those guys are there. Bobby O'Kareke, like, you could, he, he was good in 2013. One of their good moves.

He wasn't good last year. I think he's been okay this year, if I remember correctly? Yeah, I think so. Linebacker two, Mike and McFadens, their linebacker, too. He's going to hit free agency. He's been hurt this year as well. They signed Paulson and Debo. he's around corner two who knows i think dionte banks could get traded for basically nothing this

upcoming off season um with the new coaching staff you got andrew phillips you got tyler newbin uh and then forgot the last safety slot but that's jvonne holland who also isn't going anywhere the other safety spot who got a big contract right right so they're not going anywhere um the team needs for this team after going through the roster there Connor I see it as wide receiver certainly wide receiver two Yep Maybe an offensive tackle

Definitely an offensive guard or two Yep You got to have a CB2 And perhaps either upgrading at LB1 or LB2 With Bobby O'KRK or without him That's the way I see it Anything else?

No and the good news is There's actually avenues For them at linebacker and free agency There are Yeah there are some linebackers For them to be able to go after There's no doubt about it especially if they're only looking for an LB2,

like if they believe that. Exactly. Bobby O'Karekay is that guy. Because got somebody in the chat saying, like, no defense tackle. Well, they have Darius Alexander. They have Dexter Lawrence. So, like, yeah, depth. Like, these are only like the core you're going to,

you are going to use big draft resources or salary cap capital on these positions. Yeah. They need Darius to be better. Like, that's the first problem. He has not been good. So I like Darius Alexander. I didn't think he'd be good year one. I think he, I always believe that he would need a year to really.

But isn't that tough when a guy is a 24 year old prospect? Well, for sure, yes. But he was a, he was a late breakout guy with Toledo. And I liked his potential. But going from the Toledo competition to the NFL, I thought he would need a buffer year anyway. So I'm hoping for big things for him in, in 2026. All right, looking at the free agency slide here for them. Money to spend, projected salary cap, Connor, $4.4 million.

It's 26th most in the NFL, so it's eighth least. So they don't have a ton of money to spend. A lot of their money is already wrapped up. But we kind of mentioned the roster has a lot of good pieces, especially the defense side. They just got to play better. The guys who are free agents for them, Russell Wilson, Jermaine Luminor, Evan Neal, Rekeem Nunes Roches, shout out Peter, who shouted him out a second ago, offensive guard Greg Van or yeah Greg Van Roten wide receiver Wondale Robinson tied in

Daniel Bellinger linebacker Mike of McFadden cordell flott DJ Davidson Josh Zudu Aaron Stinney Chris Mann Hertz all those guys so I can see them bringing back some of those players I think Jermaine Illumor is the big one for me because if you bring him back you're you're telling yourself you're okay a tackle and you're getting a little bit more aggressive on the interior during the draft but if you don't bring Jermaine Aluminor back then you have to get really aggressive. for a tackle he's you got to find a way with him either know you really don't have like we can't as it stands right now we can't do a lot in external free agency with this team right we just can't

especially if you've brought even if you clear up some money a lumenor has to be back in my opinion okay all right this is the best the line has played in joe shane's era which isn't saying much but it's a step okay so we'll operate with him being back wondale's going to walk you could bring back Mike and McFadden, depending on what he wants. I think Daniel Bellinger is going to walk. Rakeem Nunes, Roches, you could bring back for not much if you wanted to. I don't know if you really bring

any of the guards back. No. They have not played well for you. So, Cordell Fly, you could bring back, but again, you're kind of running out of money here. Now, we do have some cap or some cut options, which I'll get to now. So Bobby O'Caricay, if you cut him,

which you kind of need him. Right. I wouldn't cut him. If you cut him, you save 9 mil. If you cut John Runyon, you save 9 mil. So I think they're going to do that. So they're at least going to get 9 mil there. They're going to cut Graham Ganoe, who has been inconsistent and also hurt. So that's another 4.5 million. And I think they're going to cut Devin Singletary, who is Brian Dables guy, who I think, you know, now they have Cam Scadabu, they have Tyrone Tracy. You can get an RV3 somewhere else. And you can save yourself five and a half million, or almost five and a quarter. So from that, you're looking at 14 and a half foot you're looking at getting 19 extra million dollars if you cut the three

guys at the bottom runyon singletary and ganoe you can keep bobby okara k and you probably got about 22 million 23 million to work with and you there's got to be restructures for the highest paid players on your team i would say the giants are going to have about 40 million dollars to work with oh somebody uh somebody said restructuring brian burns yeah i'm sure the highest paid players on your team that you love and don't worry about having to cut them in the future you can always restructure you'll be able to you'll be able to restructure them i don't forget their rookie draft class won't be cheap because they'll be picking very early and we have a germane illuminore an in-house contract extension that needs to get done so if you restructure brian burns deal you get an extra 14 million

next year great nice love that love that love that so we'll have plenty of money to work with now they're not going to make huge splashes but, you know, yeah, some LJ's mentioning you can restructure a Debo probably. Breck's saying they're not going to cut Runyon. Really? Man. He's been just okay.

I feel like Daniel said sign Big Chungus for Left Guard. Oh man, Big Citrus might actually be a fit for this theme. Big Chungus. Big Chungus.

y'all need to look at the cap space of 2027 and beyond why we're not fixing the team that's not the exercise let's see hold on hold on I'll do it I'll do it right now I'll pull up the effective cap space giant's effective cap space in 2027 is 1 2 3 4 5 6 7 8 9 10 11 12 13 14 15 16 so smack dab in the middle right in the middle of the NFL 86.8 million dollars so obviously they have a lot of expiring contract's coming over the next year as well. So you feel pretty good about that. Ultimately, I don't think they're going to make a huge splash and free agency. I think that they got a lot of the guys there. Take it a look at some free agent targets that they have. These are the guys that I came up with. You know, if you're going to get a wide receiver, if you're going to get a

wide receiver, I don't think they're signing anybody big time. And if you're looking at a major difference making wide receiver two, you're going to draft one. So like Romeo Dobbs, Jalen Naylor, Hunter Renfro, Olameh, Zechias. You know, like, I think that if you want slot with some speed, you go with the old Maja Keas, if you want more of just like a quick separating guy underneath guy, maybe a hunter Renfro because I think he'll be pretty cheap for you. He's been a healthy scratch for the Carolina Panthers the last couple of weeks. Yeah. Julian Naylor has played well for the Vikings, but they have Justin Jefferson and Jordan Addison,

so could see them letting him go. Romeo Dobbs, you know, is a free agent. I think the Green Bay likes him, but they got a lot of different wide receiver options on that team, so they got some decision to make. offense guard Fred Johnson from the Eagles Dylan Parham from the Raiders they let him go I like that Zion Johnson he hasn't played well throughout his career

but he's an option change of scenery might be better for him linebacker Quay Walker Nikobie Dean Jack Samborg and Christian Roseboom there's a lot of linebacker options for him and then at corner Jamel Dean could be an option if the bucks don't resign him Camp Taylor Britt Jeff Akuta

Rasul Douglas depending on which scheme the defense is running it's kind of tough to get some scheme fits for these guys because we don't know what the defense is going to be for them. But yeah, how do you feel about some of these free agents, anybody that you want to go after, or any other names that I missed here? Dobbs gives them a floor at wide receiver,

and they can still draft one. So that's an interesting one. Linebacker, do you think Leo Chanel is just out of their price range? Well, not if Spags. I mean, if Spaggs comes over. Oh, man, I like that a lot. It's bad, bad, bad run defending team, and you get a linebacker that can help with the Rundee.

defense. Who knows the D.C. I actually didn't think of that, but I kind of like that a lot. Just turned 25. Let's do that. Let's go. Let's go. Okay, we've got Spags and McDaniel. Leo Chanel is going to be one of the guys that we bring in to really help out the run defense because the run defense has not been good. So I like that move a lot there. That's a good call out. All the comments are saying the chiefs won't let Chanel go. Here's the thing, guys, and I get it.

you we could do this all like we can't do the show if we do that for everyone you know what i mean yeah yeah i totally get it they probably shouldn't let him go chanelle's good he's young but it's just you could do that with so many free agents it feels like and then you don't have a free agent class which is why free agency is not very good uh most years jamie i just watched the keas drop like five passes against us on sunday so that's a tough sell it's true what a good game was not a good game was not a good game not the advertising this short round said zikias the tax collector from the bible oh peter saying trade tibbidot for dj more that's an interesting creative trade oh j more's expensive though isn't he still

yeah i would think he's very expensive for a team that's not exactly flush with cap space So DJ Moore next year has a $28.5 million cap hit. Pre-trade, obviously. Yeah, it's Pete, I don't, Pete, I don't hate this. I mean, it's definitely like, because you can always make the money work in the NFL. The Bears need an edge rusher and the Giants need a wide receiver too. That's one of the more creative player for player trades that's realistic.

I've heard in a while. I kind of like this, Connor. I kind of want to do this. The problem is the money. You're going to have to sacrifice some areas to take on his money. It's fake. You restructure everybody you can. I mean, to be fair, it kind of is after next year.

Like, 2006 will be expensive, but you spread the money out via the trade. He's still 29 next year. let's do it can we do this yeah let's do this let's do this i like it pete unless the chat's absolutely mad furious at us well the chat kind of understands my point about it just being extremely expensive for a team that's not they're not in a great cap situation not a bad one but they don't have excess cap what if we this goes there's no way pulse trades dj hold on all right trade pre june first who takes on that cap hmm they would have 12 of the dead so that would be 16

I think it would be I think 16 and a half that would go to the Giants Snoopy makes a good point my only reservation with this is you are trading a player on the rise for a player on the fall. I don't think Kavon Tibodeau has been great. Not bad for sure. But the Bears feels like they have no leverage with DJ more.

Like what is DJ more worth anymore after this year? I think he'll go in the offseason to someone for a fourth round pick. Yeah, but I think it like are the, are the giants going to, are the giants going to extend Kavon? Is my question. Because if you're not,

then trade, trading for a wide receiver was yeah but i don't yeah because at that point like what the development of jackson dart and the offensive side of things is probably what's most important anyways for sure i don't know if that's the move though maybe the cap situation makes this a difficult exercise it does colin makes a good point can he do kvon for dj more plus a draft pick. I don't think it would be that high of a draft pick because you're taking no. No. No. Yeah, that's right. Right. You know. All right. Do you want to do it or no? I kind of want to draft them a wide receiver. Okay. All right. So we won't do it. But that was on

the table there. I like the Leo Chanel ad if you can do it. If not. I'd rather have Chanel and the cap space. Yeah. If I am an asset collecting nerd. If not, though, I like ad. I like ad. and Dylan Parham. I'm a Dylan Parham guy. I still believe her there. So if he gets free agency and they don't want to re-sign him. I like Dylan Parham. So you can add him, play him at one of the linebacker spots. Um, or one of the guard spots, excuse me. I don't really care which linebacker we get. If it's not Leo Chanel, I, Nicoby Dean would be awesome. Would love to get Nicoby Dean if they're able to do it. But that's probably all we would do. I like adding Hunter Infro on the very cheap to be somebody who could be an underneath dude for you, it just a depth

wide receiver especially if wondell leaves right oh well wondell's going to leave right i think he's right so you you kind of need that role sign him trade package for chanelle and thibs extend thibs signed linderbomb linderbomb and getting he's not leaving i wish that'd be wild that they just let a player of linderbom's caliber walk yeah i don't think they're going to do it uh thibs from a nung guy we didn't think about that actually your boy the baseball player. Manangai and Scataboo in the same backfield. Yeah,

Slaten Contracts makes keeping Wondale impossible. Yeah, I agree. All right, so we're relatively light on free agency, but the main guy that we're going after is Leo Chanel. If we can get him, I think that really helps to run defense, and then the rest is just the draft.

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Andrew what's up guys two things one Jordan Tyson wide receiver one future giant could be could be any advice for people like me pursuing a career in sports I always tell people who are just starting out, there are a lot of different things that you could do. You could write, you can do podcasting, you could do video work. Like, there's just so many things that you could do.

In front of the camera, behind the camera, whatever. What I always tell people is when you're just starting out, think about the thing you enjoy the most. Maybe it is. Maybe it's audio-only podcasting. Maybe it's making YouTube videos, making it's editing, whatever it is. And what I would tell you is,

even though there are a lot of different avenues to get into this, if you were just starting out, focus on the thing that you enjoy doing the most and just start doing that on a regular basis once twice three times a week whatever it is because when you're just starting out you're not going to be making a crap ton of money you're not going to be getting a crap ton of fame right away what you're going to want to do is you're going to want to do something that keeps you coming back no matter what and that's going to always be the thing that you enjoy doing the most because consistency is so key it'll help you build a resume it'll help you build your network

you'll get to meet a lot of people in a space that you love working in so whatever that is that would be my advice to you is just think about the thing that you love doing the most again writing podcasting editing youtube whatever it is and just start and do that once a week maybe twice a week whatever it is and when it becomes a grind that will be because you enjoy it you'll always feel yourself wanting to go back to it more and more so that would be my advice there I think it's excellent advice. And by the way, the chat was right. It was time for the Daily Grape. Yeah, yeah, yeah. They knew it was going on. They knew it was going on. You're a true hero for giving me my 45 seconds of the day to finally eat.

In all seriousness about the question, I think you nailed it. It's that you need to, the reality is when you enter this industry, more likely than not, the pay is going to be low enough that you better love what you're doing. And if you love what you're doing, at least for me, when I had an entry-level job in this industry, I didn't really care at all. Like, it's about, as long as I had enough to live, like eat, eventually move out of my parents and get this little hole in the wall, dump apartment down in Hoboken.

I was pretty content. And like you said, Trevor, I felt like I got better at what I was doing because I loved it. And I think if I went into doing something I didn't love, I would have just never gotten better at it. You're not passionate about it. The second thing I tell people is, and this has become really hard.

It was easier back when I entered the industry in 2014. I think it's become much more difficult because of the saturation in 2026. Try to find, try to fill some kind of a void. Like if you are a giant, say you're a giant Knicks fan, right? You love basketball. You love the Knicks. And you're like, man, I'm sure someone's doing this now, but just for the easiest reference because we don't have all day.

Say you don't see somebody on TikTok doing a 45 second recap. cap for every single game where they go here's my player of the game here's the one thing that stood out to me that i think no one's talking about and one line on the next game and like you build that people are like i can't get this anywhere else i'm going to follow this guy for me it was covering the draft for the new york jets back in and i started doing that in college so like 2012 2013 2014 there was some people doing it but nobody was as sick oh enough at the time like the draft wasn't covered that way it was a big event on TV, but the constant writing, the constant tweeting during college football season,

podcasting, all these things. And eventually people are like, hey, that's, you know, like, this is the guy I follow for opinions on the Jets drafts during the season. And then it's filling voids. I think that helps you get a following. Like I said, it's very hard to do nowadays because it can be really hard and overwhelming to find your place. Yes.

Yep. I think finding a little niche and finding the area that you love the most is probably the best advice that we could give there every five dollars he says starting a fun for the big bro conner versus little bro trevor hell in a cell stream good to finally catch an episode live aviary i'll fight you for the five dollars i'll sell avery versus trevor i'm a special guest referee sean michael just gives me the sweet chin music right as it starts um michael's interrupting helen assel thursday is at the air bamban b bar you sweet chin music my camera that'd be great $5 from Zach he says

Chief is by far the most disrespectful as a grown man I don't agree Chief's okay It's not good Squirt is Yeah I mean that's unequivocally the worst Yes yes yeah yeah small fry if somebody says small fry Small fry Dude once again

If you're not six years older less If no one calls you small fry You better fight them You know what you know what actually is probably the most disrespectful is saying any of this and then doing the thing where you grab them on the head and just kind of like rub their hair. You know what I'm saying? Like, how are you doing, champ?

You know, like a like a like, you would for like a little kid. Dude, that and honestly something that pisses me off is when people hit the brim of your hat. Oh. Do not do that to people. No.

Don't do it. No. That's disrespectful. It's disrespectful. That's disrespectful. And if you don't know it's disrespectful, now you do. So don't do it.

You're disrespectful. And now I know I'm going to meet one of you heathens out in public one day, and I'm going to have a hat on, and you're going to hit the brim of my hat. Yeah. And it'll be funny after the 10 seconds of fury. Yeah, it'll be funny, but it'll also be on site. Kaelin, $5 super chat, back-to-back weeks of New York teams. Let's just consolidate into one-cheeks franchise.

Make our job easier. Sam, $2.2-dollar super chat. It's true. Tell me why the New York Giants number one option shouldn't be Ryan Day. It's not going to be Ryan Day. I think Ryan Day is a college coach through and through. Chris was $2 super chat, nothing with it. Just all love, as Connor would say.

We appreciate you. Fredo, $5 super chat. Fix your franchise, Earth. How long you want that show to be? Yeah, too long. Longer than the seven round marathon mock draft. CJ, $2 super chat. Put a fish tank in Daibol's trunk is severance.

Oh, my God. Burningham, $5. I had to make this one live because only you two can save my sanity with this team. Well, we appreciate it, Burningham. Hopefully we're doing you some justice here. Samuel, $10 super chat, starting to fund to add a fish tank to the hood of Connor's car. There you go. Okay, that $10 super chat is just going straight to you, Connor.

So one of my apartments in Hoboken, the first one I mentioned was a dump. Like, you know, it was a slum. But my second apartment, me and one of my best friends, got when I was not working an entry level job anymore but definitely not doing well it was just like we were finally like doing a little better so it was a solid apartment

it was fine but in the kitchen we had this idea and it would never executed it because when you're 24 25 and you come up with these ideas they never happen but like the kitchen island we wanted to take out the cabinets and put a fish tank in it

and we mapped it out we never did it though because we ordered since we didn't own the place like right you can't do that to an apartment you're renting can you imagine handing them the keys and they walk in and they're like did they seriously think they would get away with this and we left the fish tank but you took the fish they were in like yeah hold them in my pillowcase yeah yeah it's a cool idea Ethan the goldfish we had to take Ethan with us. Cool idea that didn't come to fruition.

Arm the Sharks, $10 super chat. I bought my brother the Pimp My Ride video game for his birthday one year. I can't know that existed. But my mom made us wait to play it, so he snuck into her room and swapped the disc out before she wrapped it. That's actually some brilliant stuff. I had no idea that this was a video game. Didn't know that.

Love the stories of... Are you Exhibit? Yeah, I have so many questions about this. I'm going to have to do some. Googling. Maybe it's an open world game and you're just Exhibit walking around picking candidates to pimp their ride. Open world an RPG. Oh my god, this is real.

I had no idea this was real. Came out in 2006. Guess what IGN gave it? Is it out of 10 or 5? Out of 10. And it's a decimal grade. Not a fly number. 2.2. I've never seen a 2.2 on IGN. That's the lowest I've ever heard. I've ever heard.

Because. Unprecedented. I'm Googling this. Pit my ride review. Turn hoopsies into head turners, then turn away. The opening line. Pimp my ride sucks. How's that for an opening to a review?

This is unreal. I'm looking up highlights of Pimp My Ride. video game streams immediately after this. Nobody do that and leave the chat. We don't want you to leave the show, but you do it afterwards. Wow. Ethan, this is the last one that I'm reading here.

Care to address the rumors that you propose to your wife by pimping her ride. No comment. No comment. As we fire up the PFF mock draft simulator, Mike McCarthy fired up. If we have any issues here with the mock draft simulator, it's obviously because Mike McCarthy did not like the fact

that we did not choose him for the head coach. of the New York Giants as we were going through our head coaching exercise. So we got Steve Spagnola as a head coach. We got Mike McDaniel as the offensive coordinator. We got Leo Chanel somehow. Probably trading Cave on Tibino for something. I don't know, but maybe Kobe Dean's in there as well. Hunter Renfro is a depth wide receiver.

But a lot of the guys on the roster currently with the Giants are, I think are capable of winning. They've just got to play better. I think Leo Chanel helps us run defense a ton and makes that defense a lot better there. So let's get into it. The Giants have a first round pick, a second round pick. No third round pick because of part of the DART trade-up from last year's draft. And then they might have an extra sixth-round pick, but it has to do with like the Darren Waller trade conditions that I don't know exactly what they are.

So we're not doing six rounds here anyways. We're only doing the first three rounds, which means we get rounds one and two here for the New York Giants. So let's get into it here. Firing up the PFF mock draft simulator. by the way, NFL SC-25 is how you get a 25% off subscription over at PFF.com if you want to be able to run all of the mock drafts that you want, no matter what team, no matter how many different teams, no matter how many rounds, all that good stuff. Let's fire it up, Tyler. So the Giants, as of right now, they have a number three pick in the draft. So simulating this year, Caleb Downs, who I have ranked very high on the big board. He ends up going number one overall to the Tennessee Titans. Dante Moore goes to the New Orleans Saints as the quarterback. there at number two. Number three here, Connor, what do we think? I think the obvious one and probably where our mind goes to immediately is Jordan Tyson.

Yeah. But do we feel good enough about the wide receiver class where we feel as though it would behoove us to potentially trade down? Right. I look at like Miami there at number seven. Are they going to need a quarterback? The Raiders at number six, do they need a quarterback? Because I think you could trade down to six and seven and still, you're either getting

Jordan Tyson or you're, sorry, farming, or you're getting, you know, Carnell Tate, Mackay Lemon. I know we have those guys ranked below Tyson, but what do you think here? I kind of like a trade down here for the Giants. I do too. The tricky part is Trevor, there's not an offensive lineman here that's worth it. Right. The, we feel good about their pass rush. We feel good about their quarterback. I have no problem taking Jordan Tyson at all here. It would depend on what I can get back for the trade down and can and then I get a wide receiver with that trade down and beef up my interior offensive line with the capital I have after that. I think you can. I think so too. Let's pull up the draft chart value and kind of talk about

this here. Okay, so the number three pick, 2,200 points. I'm looking at draft tech. And six is 1,600, 7 is 1,500. So next to 700, I mean, like, we're talking about getting well they're not going to trade with the commanders no no no either the dolphins or the raiders is what okay cool i just wanted to make sure it was it was on the commanders so i was no no no yeah we wouldn't we wouldn't trade with the commanders there i think you trade down to six or seven so the raiders are coming up everybody i can't help it those are the numbers it's that it's the numbers that we're talking about here so the raiders are coming up for a quarterback which makes sense yes i think you're you're getting their second round pick yep

that's the trade for number three yep which is great in this spot because now we have three picks for this mock draft yeah 100% yeah force the trade screw it yeah okay so the raiders are up now oh let's go baby exactly what we don't have when a plan comes together that was amazing couldn't have worked better so now we still get Tyson or arvel Reese well you're not getting no we're not taking Reese but I'm just saying like he'd be in the combo Woody? Yeah, offball linebacker, demon? You traded, which did we trade? Oh, I view him as an edge. I view him much closer to like Abdul Carter. Like you already have that. Okay, I mean,

either way. That's totally fair. I'm taking Jordan Tyson here anyway. Yeah, W simulator. So we didn't, we didn't have to trade Kavon Tibido. We were still able to get a wide receiver that we love. We think Jordan Tyson has wide receiver one potential in the NFL. Jordan Tyson, Malik neighbors Cam Scadaboo Jackson Dart I mean now we're living baby

now Darry Slaten by default honestly as like the wide receiver three but like I'm cool with Darius Slaten as a wide receiver three that's his role

a vertical three totally totally yes let's do it let's take Jordan Tyson here at number six I really like this this option here for them

and then we got two picks right can you click on your picks Tyler oh yeah yeah it's it's it's 35 and 38 right there. Yeah, really close together. Jannings Dunker is still on the board.

I mean, that's a home run for me. He starts at guard. They need guard badly. But is what other spots are we? I mean, we're bringing back Germain Illuminaur as well. We have to. So we're bringing back him.

They can't lose their good offensive line pieces. I liked signing Dylan Parham as well. So at this point, it's Andrew Thomas, opening spot at guard, John Michael Schmitz's center Dylan Parram at Guard Jermaine Illuminaur at offensive tackle So

do we try to get a combo of Dunker and Sunny Stiles here? Do we think we get Leo Chanel? Well, that was why we didn't do the DJ Moore trade. Is because... I was coming over with Spags.

Okay. It's going to cost the money. Yeah, yeah. So we're getting him. So let's take Dunker. I think, unless you have somebody else that you like better. Like I would have thought about Vigawane from Penn State, who I think is a great guard prospect as well.

But he was picked at the back end of the first round. You see him there at 31 to the Seattle Seahawks. Donald's saying, why not have Marcus Bow at right guard? Maybe. I guess you could. Why don't we keep adding talent to the offensive line? Yeah, at this point, I don't even know. I don't really think

I don't think you have too many good offensive alignment at this point Is it even nuts to consider Caleb Lomo here? No, I thought about that. Is it a Luminor can also play guard? Yeah, I think that would be a little overkill. We're trying to diversify our roster here. Let's go, let's go corner though. Yeah, they need a corner.

I like the problem is I like style so much. better as a player than all of these guys. But we said we got Chanel. You're right. We got Chanel and Keptokarek. Yes. We kept both to those guys. That's okay.

So you're keeping us on track here. I'm not. So I think A.J. Harris, Chris Johnson, or Keith Abney, if you think this is more like Keith Avony range. See, this is where we need to think of Spags'

defense, right? Uh-huh. It feels like Harris's physicality might play. Yeah, because can you click Harris, Tyler. Yeah, his run defense grade. I know his coverage grades aren't, aren't great this year.

Penn State's just struggling a lot overall, but his run defense. He's a big physical corner. His run defense stuff over the last couple of years has been really good. What's Abney's run defense? Ah, he's good, too. All right. And then last one is. Yeah, this might be.

Abney might just be a better cover player than Harris right now. Maybe. Yeah. I still like Harris's potential, but I know. I think it's, it might be Abney, though. I don't hate it. That's, that's who my mind thought of right away. I really need to deep dive Chris Johnson.

And I've been saying that for too long. But I need to really deep dive on the kind of prospect. So he's, he's definitely, he's definitely a zone corner. He is definitely an off zone corner. He's not really somebody that you would want in man coverage. he's not a fit here then i think that spags is going to run more of an aggressive defense and and abnees more of a fit for him i think dylan i think dylan everett from george is also a fit there i think julian neal is also a fit but i don't think that you're taking these guys

at this point uh let me see b can can we just see all the players overall to make sure we're not missing anybody we already took wide receiver we wouldn't take a little yungle yeah it's a lot of edge rushers some linebacker stuff boy there's a lot of bog jam at this deed these defense positions the problem is styles is just the best player here yeah i think so but i'm but i'm more than okay having leo chanelle all right i think abney let's let's let's take uh let's take abney here let's see keith abney um the corner from as u Tyson Madden said, you guys make my week. I got to go work now.

Peter skipped my allowance this week. That's really good. Oh, that is too good. Okay, so for this draft, we traded back from three. We got to six. We got an extra second round pick. We got Jordan Tyson, Jennings Dunker to play guard to complete the offensive line. And then we were able to get Keith Abney.

Let's refresh it one more time. Let's go through and let's not do a trade. So we can run through a little bit quicker here. okay so Peter Woods goes number one's hilarious good player probably not going number one but Ruben Bain goes number two to New Orleans Saints is this a spot where do you think you'd still take Jordan Tyson

or do we want to take an offensive lineman here like do you want would you take Spancerfano here no I would take Tyson you'd still take Tyson there's just a better player like too wide of a margin I think so too but we should do something different here we should do something different let's let's take spencer fano who i think is the best offensive tackle in the class and he can or do you have a i mean i don't think nubin's been good enough that

caleb downs isn't in this conversation oh interesting he's at least in this conversation he's a hell of a player man he's amazing and you want to talk about somebody who could help out the second level as well yeah they get gashed for big runs because they have no the angles are terrible oh man downs on this defense would be sick it's so funny how like half the people love it and then half people are like you can't take a safety he's just such a great difference making player you know what let's see what it looks like and And Giants fans who are watching this. So why we do multiple mock drafts.

What did you say? That's why we do multiple mockers. Yeah. Let's take Caleb Downs here at three. Let's take Caleb Downs at three. Because he's just a hell of a football player, man. And now we have the opportunity to, I think Caleb Lomu is still on the board. That's who I would take.

We could take Caleb Lomu here. And then at that point, it's. Aluminore back to guard. It's Andrew Thomas. Illuminaur, John Michael Schmitz, Dylan Parham, Caleb Lomu. And then on the defensive side of things, we've added Leo Chanel. We still have Cave on Tibido for now. We have Caleb Downs to play safety and just be honestly like a jack of all trades for you on defense.

And then we would have to address corner somewhere. Maybe we're getting a vet to play alongside Paulson and Debo and Andrew Phillips. But I'm okay. Shane, hit on a day three pick, please. And then a wide receiver, we'd have to probably go wide receiver round four, which would probably mean, can I see the wide receiver list real quick? Scrolling down a little bit. Maybe Omar Cooper, but like, it's probably more of Malachi Fields. Trey Wilson, maybe.

You know, if he is, well, if he's getting picked in the fourth round, maybe he's Eugene Wilson, you know. Maybe he can't be Trey. You finally have turned back to that. no he's still good i don't i don't know if cj daniels will be there from miami but like he's an option zacharii branch is playing better your boy eric rivers eric singleton i think there'll be some options for you with a wide receiver in round four i think he'd be okay with this okay all right let's take uh let's take let's take californ let's do it nick harbour risk it so there we go we didn't trade down for this one we went with best player available we went Caleb downs and we still got

the offensive tackle to really fix the offensive line. So it was trade down, Jordan Tyson, Jennings Dunker to play guard, and then who's the last pick? Who's the corner? Keith Abney. Keith Abney, that's right. Or this second mock draft that we have here is Caleb Downs and Caleb Lomo. Anybody who's watching this from the one-off video, if you want the context of how we got the roster that we did, you got to watch the full-fixure franchise episode for the New York Giants. There we go, friends. Appreciate everybody watching. This is so much fun. I'll I love doing these. It's always a blast.

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