NFL Stock Exchange: An NFL Draft Podcast - Fix Your Franchise: New York Jets (w/ 3 Round Mock Draft)

Episode Date: November 6, 2025

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Welcome to the opening bell of the NFL stocky-shage podcast. I'm Trevor Sykima. That's Connor Rogers. And today, folks, we're fixing the New York Jets. Connor, my favorite part about us going live, there are many, many favorite parts. Yep. But not knowing what the cold open is going to be. And watch.
Starting point is 00:00:30 Watching our producer Tyler Cook like that is truly, truly at the top of the list. I'm dying at that edit. It is like watching Beethoven go to work, Picasso paint. Because I love the surprise factor as much as you. The man is an editing machine. He is. He knows the fabric of this show as well as us. And we love him for that.
Starting point is 00:00:55 It's a thing of beauty. Well, hello addicts. Welcome to another edition of fiction. your franchise here on the NFL Stock Exchange podcast. Today is all about the New York Jets. And if you are a Jets fan and you are watching this series episode for the first time, what we do here is we get into the details. How did we get here? We'll look at past records. We'll look at the current staff. We'll talk about offensive and defensive philosophies. Obviously with the Jets, we got big trades to analyze, but we'll also not only recognize how they got to this point,
Starting point is 00:01:24 we'll talk about the future. We'll identify the cornerstones of the roster. We'll talk about team building. We'll talk about free agency targets, how much money they have to spend, guys that they might go after. And then, of course, at the end, and buddy, is this an exciting one for your Jets? We get to do a three-round mock draft here for New York. Connor, I just want to, I'm going to lean on you for a lot of this episode, obviously with you being our resident Jets historian. That's the word that I'll use. I'll use historian. I feel like that one's nice enough. We got to start with the trades. have to start with the trades that we saw at the trade deadline, because I think that sets the
Starting point is 00:02:02 table for everything, where the roster is, what we think of Darren Mojee, their general manager, what we think of Aaron Glenn, their head coach, all of that stuff. So just right off the Batman, Sauce Gardner for two first round picks, Quinn and Williams for a first and a second, they get Mazi Smith and A.D. Mitchell back is just kind of like throw-ins that honestly are decent throw-ins to get in these trades. But the fact that they even happen, man, take me inside your head when you actually read that this happened. I was definitely surprised by the sauce trade. I was not surprised by the
Starting point is 00:02:33 Quinnon trade. There are definitely been I think with Quinnon it was always can they get their you know can they find the price that they want out there and if they do they'll trade him which is partially Quinnin rightfully so deserves to go play somewhere
Starting point is 00:02:49 where he has a better chance to win. He's dealt with the change as a good sport for six years now and you know as much as he's only turning 28 in December. He's still in his prime. You just had to wonder we're both sides looking to kind of capitalize
Starting point is 00:03:05 on his peak, right? Rather than wait, like the Jets aren't going to be good next year. And then you trade Quinn in during his age 29 season and you're only getting back a two or a three, which we see happens in the NFL. Because didn't he, doesn't he want another contract too? He does want his contract. He wants more guaranteed
Starting point is 00:03:21 money or his contract to be altered. Yes, he's due for, he's due for significant money. And the Jets, didn't want to do that, which I think was, in hindsight, it's not a mistake because they got the deal they wanted by trading him, but probably a player you should have rewarded again with what he's done and how he's played. And I think with Quinn, the question is, is he going to go find his pass rush again in Dallas? Because he's been an amazing run defender this year, but he has not been rushing the passer at a high level or even by his standard at all. So that'll
Starting point is 00:03:52 be interesting to see if Dallas can kind of reclaim that with him. So also shocking because how many times do you see a 25-year-old, and he just turned 25 at the end of camp? It's not like he's turning 26 next week, a 25-year-old, number one, already two-time all-pro cornerback that was just extended this summer, traded when there was no friction between each side, right? Like, he's shocked by it. The cults just wouldn't be denied, and it goes to show you outside of quarterbacks. I think everybody has a price in this league, and the Jets looked at it and said,
Starting point is 00:04:27 said, we are going to be drafting a quarterback in the next two drafts. Yes. We need to have more capital to put as much talent around that player as possible. And we also are getting a guy, Nat and I Mitchell, that, I mean, he was the, what, 50 second pick in the draft 18 months ago. And it hasn't been great. I'm not going to sit here and sugarcoat it. Yeah, but this is a draft podcast.
Starting point is 00:04:48 I love Dady Mitchell. You know, you know, I love that part of like the sweetening of the deal. Like, I love that. Yes, it feels different than Mazzie Smith. Like, Mazzie Smith is a first round bust. that has played poorly. Adnigh Mitchell has had loss of focus moments. Right. He's in a offense that has, it's loaded with talent, but he still could be something. There's a chance. There's a chance. And if he's not, so be it. But the wide,
Starting point is 00:05:13 the wide receiver room moving forward of Garrett Wilson and then you're taking a chance and a year where you're, it's basically just a time to take chances on 80 Mitchell and John Mechie. I love that. See what's there. Rather than trotting out Alan Lazard and Tyler Johnson every week. Right. Right. Right. I think both sides of the sauce Gardner trade were.
Starting point is 00:05:35 I'm with you all the way. And shocking, but you can see how it makes sense for each side? Oh, totally. Right? Like I do. And to be honest with you, as crazy as it is, this makes way more sense for the Jets than it does
Starting point is 00:05:51 for the Indianapolis Colts. Because two first round picks, that's, that's a quarterback trade. That's a, that's an elite pass rusher trade. It's Michael Parsons. Didn't, I think Jalen Ramsey got this when he was going over to the Rams, but like, this is almost unheard of for a defensive back to get this sort of a, a trade back. And to be honest with you, they just signed Sauce Gardner this offseason. And he was going to be making a lot of money in years where the Jets probably weren't going to be good. So by the time that the Jets were really hitting the prime of what they hope is their next winning window, sauce was almost going to be up for extension at that point.
Starting point is 00:06:31 So you would have been paying him a crap ton of money to be a good player on a bad team. And instead now, again, I don't think they were shopping him around. Like like, they weren't a shock. But wasn't it Mugi who said yesterday, he's like, the Colts just kept coming back and upping the deal. They just kept upping the deal. And the fact that Ballard called him and said two first round picks, If I'm Moji, I'm moving him too. 100% I'm moving him, even for a great player that Sauce is.
Starting point is 00:07:00 Because I think the argument is Sauce is going to be highly effective for the cults. He's going to fit their system. They need a number one corner. They're a really, really good team. And Ballard has been there a really long time that it probably is time to strike while the iron's hot. The AFC is winnable this year.
Starting point is 00:07:18 The Colts have a shot. They have as good as shot as anyone. And now you made a move that you think puts you over the top. Yep. The Jets side of it, Trevor, he's a corner, a very good one that is a shutdown corner that doesn't really take away the football. And it's not a luxury to the Jets because that's not the right way to frame it. He's a really good player and clearly a very important part of their team.
Starting point is 00:07:43 But Aaron Glenn making this decision, who has just as much say in personnel as Darren Mugi, which is a very important thing to note at the top of the show. Aaron Glenn played corner in this league for how long at a high level. So Aaron Glenn making this move is, and he could be wrong. No one's, like no one's saying he's definitely right or he's definitely an idiot. But we're going to find out. Aaron Glenn is saying, I can use the return on this to invest it in areas that we're going to need the most help at. While I believe that I'll be able to develop and coach cornerback good enough on this.
Starting point is 00:08:19 this team with lesser investment where they took Azarie Thomas in the third round, who hasn't played a lot, but when he's played, he's looked really, really good. They traded for Jarvis Brownlee, who has been really, really good and got him for free. I had a trade that I still don't understand. Brandon Stevens, who they got in free agency, horrible start to the year. He's turned it around lately where if he could be a serviceable second corner and they're not going to be done, but maybe they don't need to be the team in investing all of that into corner because that's the strength of the coach.
Starting point is 00:08:48 but if you invest some of those picks into another wide receiver, another pass rusher, or whatever it may be, it's just allocation of assets. And the Jets, this is the thing that's bothering me the most right now. And it's not ridiculous because it's true. But everyone's like, well, the Jets just did this. And because they missed on Zach Wilson, it didn't work, but they hit it out of the park with Sauce, Garrett,
Starting point is 00:09:11 Brees, and Jermaine Johnson. And I understand that rationale. They missed on Zach Wilson, and that always set back the franchise for years. But the problem is too, yes, the Jets hit on those picks. The Jets under Joe Douglas never built a good football team. The offensive line was borderline unplayable all the time. We're going to get to the draft history, but yeah, right.
Starting point is 00:09:31 This time, and I'm not saying I believe it's going to work. I need to see it because I've been, we've been let down way too many times. But the thought process is now we do have the offensive line we need. We have the number one wide receiver. We're going to draft the number two wide receiver. the quarterback is going to hopefully be coming into an infrastructure that is at least average. It's not like Cam Ward in Tennessee and some of these other situations. The Jets have done it.
Starting point is 00:09:56 They did it to Sam Darnold. They've done it to players before where they failed them miserably. They're trying to compile as many assets as they can to lift up a rookie quarterback when that time comes. It could fail, but it is different than what they've done in the past in some ways. So I want to get to a bunch of the super chats because we have so many, By the way, you guys are, you guys are making me, like, laugh hysterically internally while I'm trying to pay attention to the dissertation and the thesis that Connor is giving because you guys are constantly giving the quotation names, like the just the different Drake May ones. I'm going to try to read a bunch of them. But this is how I want to jump into the first grouping of super chats before we really get this podcast kicked off.
Starting point is 00:10:40 SuperPony, who's a Colts fan, says $5 super chat. We appreciate you. love you. Tired of people saying that the Colts got fleeced to hell with those picks. They're going to be in the high 20s or low 30s. Christopher Ballard cooked, go Colts. I don't know if he cooked, but you clearly have a shot at making the AFC championship game of the Super Bowl. And the biggest roster, like position of weakness that you had was Corner. Without a doubt. And you addressed it with a player who's got two Pro Bowls under his belt, two all pros under his belt already.
Starting point is 00:11:14 And has Sauceman as good the last two years he's one of the first few years? No, but corners up and down anyways. This is a dude who has the potential to shut down other teams' number one wide receivers. You're going to need that in January. And so, look, the Colts paid a lot for this. Not sure I would have made the deal. But now that the deal is done, looking at this Colts team with Sauce Gardner on it, you go,
Starting point is 00:11:36 all right, man, I don't really think the first eight weeks of this was a fluke. I think they're going to continue to play well. The roster is more talented. and they're clearly going all in. And to be honest with you, it feels like Chris Ballard has been waiting for this moment with his roster with the Colts for a long time just to go all in.
Starting point is 00:11:53 And that probably goes into this. So I don't think it was a fleecing. I think the Jets absolutely won getting the value they did for sauce. But I think that the Colts paid a high price for a risk that could be worth it if they make the AFC championship game in the Super Bowl. And now they've got a two-year window, in my opinion, to do it. So this is chat. Uh, okay.
Starting point is 00:12:14 Are we doing some super chas? He microwaved and you said he cooked. Yeah, let's, uh, let's ping pong these. Thank you so much to everybody. You guys, your support for the show is incredible. This one's from Zachie 641, Drake, Drake Pookie Mae, May, may. What a way to kick things off. Just the first super chat right out of the gate.
Starting point is 00:12:36 Uh, we love it. Charlie Parker, $10 super chat. Uh, family guy, sons up, sums up my feelings for the jets perfectly. A boat to boat, but a mystery. box could be anything. It could even be a boat. Obviously, Connor, the way that you were talking about Coining Williams and Sauce, honestly, is like, you know, it's tough to lose guys like this because you're right. You have to now draft players that are good enough to replace them. So that's a lot of responsibility given that they were already proven players. But if it doesn't line up with the winning
Starting point is 00:13:04 window, if it doesn't line up with the culture that you're trying to set up, then you don't want to pay these guys if you're not going to win with them. So I do see how Charlie came to that conclusion. Yeah. Dylan Terriman, he said, we have arrived, but now with eight premium picks, how much more help does Mojee need? The answer is more, let's ride. I love it. Sean with the $5 super chat, Drake, Drake May, obviously Sean taking inspiration from the Boston Celtics Twitter account there. Gianni Pelage, thank you for the $5 super chat. Not a fan of the sauce trade. A 2006 late first isn't a good pick. And unless the pick is used to get a franchise quarterback, the ROI won't match sauces value. Well, let's see.
Starting point is 00:13:43 Because it is, there are two first rounders, and Adonai Mitchell in this trade. And you're going to get to see how Trevor and I would use at least one of the first round picks at the end of the show. And we do two mock drafts. Kyle's $5 super chat. Appreciate you. Josh McDaniels is the head coach for the Jets to be electric. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.
Starting point is 00:14:01 Speaking of family guy memes, whoa, whoa, whoa. We're not quite there yet. We're not firing coaches here on this fixture franchise. Aaron Glenn is here. So I don't, I think it would be futile. to move on from him as head coach. So I don't think they're making a change of head coach. Preston Weller.
Starting point is 00:14:18 Thank you for the $10 super chat. Two things. I was looking at remaining schedules yesterday. Could the commanders lose out and end up picking top five? I low-key think so. Also, can y'all talk for a second about how juice the 27 quarterback classes? We are going to have the quarterback combo about 2007 towards the second half of the show. And yeah, the commanders could, but I don't think they're going to lose out.
Starting point is 00:14:41 I think they're bad right now. everything that's happened to them. I don't, I don't, losing out is so hard to do for a whole half of a season. The Jets just won a game in the first half of the season. The Titans won a game. The Saints have won a game. Just wait for,
Starting point is 00:14:57 just wait until the Jets win this week. Stop it. Just wait until they trade their two best players and they win this week against the Browns. You know, you know what my final score prediction was when we were doing the previous show? No, what was it, nine to six? Jets nine, Brown seven.
Starting point is 00:15:12 Oh, it's pretty, close pretty close brown scored on a block punt jets kick three field goals uh gabriel 20 super chat appreciate you thank you so much for it uh if the bengals fired duke tobin and or zach taylor peter football focus will be a thing of the past uh with the amount that i'll drop on that fixture for his episode all right but a shot challenge uh i throw in your way peter yeah uh gabriel just to give you a little hint of the schedule we got come up they might not even have to fire those guys for us to do that we might be uh doing that anyways libertarian saskwatch thank you for the super chat as a cards fan we got just the quarterback for
Starting point is 00:15:53 you guys oh brother not even entertaining it uh frosted eggshells two dollar super chat says happy wednesday and then just drake may i don't know if it's from drake may or just wanted to get the drake may in there it's from drake may j bergs also five dollar super chat just Drake May. It's a popular man on this show. It is. A very popular. Matthew Charles, the $10 super chat to be a fly on the wall to see the reaction of sauce and Quinnin trades from that viral Jets fan a couple weeks ago. Ironically, the kid was wearing a Quinn and Williams jersey. People forget. Oh, people do forget. Did you see the one of the little kid, like just screaming yesterday when his dad told him the news? Those are tough. Those are tough.
Starting point is 00:16:36 I would do that to my kid. I don't, I'm not a fan of the like her. Record my child's meltdown. I don't, I'm not a fan of that. I'm really not. It's just, I mean, I'm not going to tell people how to parent, but I don't think people will see that for me when my kids are hating me for making them Metschettes, Knicks Rangers fans. Screw you, dad.
Starting point is 00:16:59 Have you seen the TikTok trend of like life is short, rage bait your dog? Those I actually do. Those are kind of fun because they're not anything serious. It's harmless. You kind of tickle your dog's foot a couple of times. until they just like absolutely kick you or like stand up and stare at you. Dude, I do that. I do that every day.
Starting point is 00:17:16 But emotionally manipulating your kid's sadness via sports for TikTok. I'm not sure I love that one either. Tony the $20 super chat. Guys, if you're a Jets fan, this is a place to be for 2026 and 2027. It's going to be a fun ride. Masterclass getting a 2027 first from Dallas. I completely agree. And it's the higher of the two picks.
Starting point is 00:17:36 Yo, Jerry. I'm shocked by that. What are you doing? You can't have that condition in there. If you cave and go, okay, we'll give you the first. It's an unprotected pick. That's what it is. We'll give you the second.
Starting point is 00:17:48 It's an NBA unprotected pick for a team that might be cheeks. And the second this year could be pretty early in the scheme of, I was shocked by that condition. No, I shouldn't be because Jerry Jones is doing the trades. But yeah, whatever. Tony, we appreciate that. And anybody who's watching the show, whether you're watching it live, which we already got over 1,000 people watching it live in the first, you know,
Starting point is 00:18:10 few minutes of the show. We love you guys. Or if you're watching afterwards, if you guys aren't subscribed to the channel, we would love for you to be. We do these fix your franchises all the time. When we get into draft season, all of the prospect rankings, the mock drafts, the team fits, the team big boards, all of that great stuff. We're going to have for you beyond just being a Jets fan. And so if you aren't subscribed to the show, we would love for you to be a part of the addicts. Sean, the $5 super chat, can you guys fix the Lions next, or at least the offensive line for us? Lion's doing all right. Lion's doing all right. Appreciate what you have. lot of a lot of people ask us to fix like teams that are good i think just because they want the deep
Starting point is 00:18:45 dive into their team it's fun it is fun but we we you don't want to live this life with yeah like team i was born in this i've lived in it forever stay where you are i was moated by yes i yeah uh sorry sean maybe if the lines bottom out which let's hope they don't the nick shine show thank you for the super chat got the assets to build a modern day NFL offense it gives the two thousand 26 quarterback all the opportunity to succeed and hit the ground running. Yeah. I like the positivity. Yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:19:14 All right. Let's get into the show. We got so many super chats, guys. I don't know if we'll be able to get to all of them because we want to get to as much as we possibly can here in this show. But we love you. We appreciate you. We'll read as many as we can.
Starting point is 00:19:25 Let's dig into the New York Jets. I think that this is where we have to start. How little how we got here, right? They're one and seven on the season. Last four years with Robert Sala. It felt like they were, man, okay, the four and 13 season in 2021. They had just drafted Zach Wilson. They knew it wasn't going to be perfect.
Starting point is 00:19:40 Ah, he struggled. Okay, not great. But that 2022 year, the 2023 year, man, those defenses were some of the best in the NFL. Really good. And it was just like, if you could just give them something on offense. And then it all sort of unraveled and things really got away from solid. He gets fired in 2024. They got a 5 and 12 record.
Starting point is 00:19:58 And here we are with Aaron Glenn. Connor, I just anything else and just a synopsis from 2021 to 2025, kind of of of how we got here. And now two cornerstones for what was the best defense. one of the best defenses in the NFL in 2022 and 2023, now no longer there. Well, I'll give the under the radar kind of things that happened during this timeline because everybody knows Zach Wilson was bad and, you know, on and on it goes. I think one thing, one thing that was really went under the radar nationwide, not with Jets fans, is that, you know, Robert Sala comes in and he brings Michael a floor with him from San Francisco.
Starting point is 00:20:34 And they're going to, they come in and they do the event. evaluations and they want to keep Sam Darnold. And something happens that offseason. There was even rumors and I'm pretty sure they were true that there was a team offering them a first round pick for Sam Darnold. And they were like, no, we're keeping Sam. We believe in Sam, which hindsight, they're right. Some in certain ways.
Starting point is 00:20:56 I don't know if you ever would have figured it out here, but the point remains. Then something changes as the front office is going through the evaluations for the draft and Joe Douglas and company fall in love with Zach Wilson. and now they are trading Sam Donald. And they end up getting a package of a second rounder plus for Sam to go to Carolina. So the trade package became a little bit less when they waited. And the decision ultimately was wrong. It's because if you kept Sam and you drafted Jamar Chase or Pena Sewell,
Starting point is 00:21:29 whatever direction you want to go, you trade it, whatever. And this things are so easy to do with the draft, but I think a lot of people do forget that saga of. it because everybody in San Francisco loved Sam Darnold's talent. So when Sala on the floor came over, they're like, we can win with Sam Darnold, let's build it up. And the front office made a decision
Starting point is 00:21:47 not to. Then, after they draft Zach Wilson, they, you know, things obviously go poorly. Michael Flore does a lot of creative things. A lot of journeyman quarterbacks when they do play look pretty good in his offense. And then ultimately, Sala
Starting point is 00:22:03 is forced to fire the floor from Woody Johnson after things go horribly in 2022. And that's a time where it's not, that's not great to, for solid to be forced to do that. And LaFleur goes on to be offensive coordinator under McVeigh and the Rams and he's doing good there. And I think he's going to have a really good NFL coaching career. And ultimately it begins the spiral of, there was two spirals with the Jets.
Starting point is 00:22:30 The quarterback one where it's like, Zach Wilson kind of gets Michael LaFleur fired. And then ultimately they have to get Aaron Rogers. but when they get Aaron Rogers, they have to get Nathaniel Hackett and all these Packers castoffs, and it just was a horrible situation. Then there's also the Mackay Beckton pick. Yeah. You and I did this on fixing the Jets last year,
Starting point is 00:22:50 but that had a really bad trickle effect as well. Which, by the way, there was somebody in the chat who was like, are the Jets the fixture franchise champ right now, like most all time? I would think. Because we've done this now for four years, and I'm pretty sure we've done. done fixing the Jets four years. At least three.
Starting point is 00:23:11 At least three. I think the Panthers. I would say yes. If we do the Panthers again this year, they'll have the title. But if we don't do the Panthers this year, it looks like we won't. It looks like we won't. Then it might be a tie between them and the Jets. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:23:26 So yes, they are in short order. Yeah. So here we are. And the crazy timelines of this team and things that have gone wrong. and everybody always loves to just, like, point on one thing to be in this situation. It's a lot of different things. Yeah. And Marvel agrees.
Starting point is 00:23:44 And Marvel obviously agrees. Yeah. I mean, he's saying like, yeah, you guys are doing great. I hope that that's a you guys are doing great laugh. Maybe my wife's rage baiting. I'm not really sure at this point. Okay, let's look at the offense of the defense. We can look at some of the numbers that are there.
Starting point is 00:23:58 And Connor, I love for you to talk about it just a little bit. There's been a lot of dysfunction with just how things have been going on the offensive side of the ball. They took a bet on Justin Fields. And I feel as though, you know, the worst part of the bet was the two-year deal, right? It wasn't like a one-year deal with Fields. It was a two-year deal. Now, they can get out of it.
Starting point is 00:24:15 But I do think that that was, you know, I'll bring that up a little bit later when we talk about Darren Moogie more in-depth. But for the Jets and their offense, they were 27th and overall offensive grade. They were 22nd in passing grade, 20th and rushing grade. And you see a lot of these numbers there. All the EPA per pass or per play, per pass, per rush. it just was not good enough from this team. Now, I would love to hear from you before we move on, like philosophically, did you hate it during the summer
Starting point is 00:24:45 or did you hate it during the spring? Because I kind of looked at it like, I don't mind the Justin Field signing. No. Because what else are you going to do? Right. What else was there? I actually liked it at the time.
Starting point is 00:24:56 Now, it didn't work out because Justin Fields didn't play well enough. But the fact of the matter is, they were going to run the football this year. They were just going to be a ground and pound team. And the passing game, has been so bad that it just hasn't been able to compliment that philosophy. Do you agree with that? Absolutely. I think that, listen, this year was a, you know, you kind of get that, that free year where you could, you could take some chances, you could try stuff. The Jets were looking at it and going,
Starting point is 00:25:24 we're not going to draft a quarterback. Cam Ward was going number one overall. Right. You know, you could look back and say, should they have taken Jackson Dart? Think about how many teams passed on Jackson Dart. And Armand Memb has been awesome. That's, that's way. too unfair of hindsight. Because you could do that to a million teams. Yeah. Jackson Dart doesn't even go until 26. The Jets were picking, what was it, seven, eight, what was it?
Starting point is 00:25:46 And it's like that's, I don't even think that would have been in the conversation at that point. It was all due respect to Jackson Dart, who is playing very, very well for him and the Giants. Right, but I just don't even, I don't think it's fair to even say that. Right. And the thought wasn't, let's go get Jacoby Brissette or some veteran bridge guy that definitely gives them a higher floor than they've had this year, but no ceiling. The thought was, let's sign Justin Fields to a deal where there's not really any risk
Starting point is 00:26:14 and maybe we'll tap into the traits and hope that we get something out of him. If we don't, and I liked the move while at the same time, Trevor, I said, it's more likely than not the Jets will be replacing Justin Fields with a drafted quarterback after this season. You think? That was my thought at the time. But I also liked the move. It was one of those things
Starting point is 00:26:38 were like, hey, if it works out, great. It's more likely that on his third team, he doesn't figure it out, and they're drafting a quarterback. But this is a more higher ceiling flyer than really anything else they could have done. I mean, what was, once again, you're not going to use Jackson Dart as an example here,
Starting point is 00:26:55 or whatever you want. So it hasn't worked, and they are going to go into the draft, probably looking for a quarterback in one of the next two drafts. their run game has been pretty good. The line, I think, is taking positive steps. Brees Hall has taken positive steps. Mason Taylor looks like a big part of that as well.
Starting point is 00:27:14 So they can be hard to evaluate the past game because of Fields' struggles, but it's way too much hindsight to be like, how is this their choice when their options were so limited? I think so too. Now, we'll pull up some of the defensive numbers. and Aaron Glenn, defensive guy, I think the ideal, you know, makeup of this team was always going to be low scoring games, like on both sides of the ball, control the ball, no turnovers, running the football, and the identity is a lot through your defense. In your opinion, where did that go wrong on the defensive side of the football, or is it like, hey, it didn't really go as wrong as, you know, maybe it looks, but the fact. to the matter is, is that they were selling pieces and the most valuable pieces just happened
Starting point is 00:28:02 to be on defense. They've been disappointing. There's no sugar coding this one, right? With the offense, there's not that feeling of like, how did we get here? It's like, no, you could have easily see how we got here. They never went into the year with a number two wide receiver. They went with the quarterback that has a ceiling, but also has a very low floor, a first time play caller. The defense, to me, is a little bit of like, how did this happen? They re-signed Jamie and Sherwood to a big deal at linebacker and made him captain. And he's been benched at times. He's been really bad at times.
Starting point is 00:28:33 Brandon Stevens was their big free agent signing a corner. He had an awful start to the year. He's really turned it around to his credit. But he was really bad the first month of the season. I think before they traded, Sauce and Quentin were both fine. Like I said, Quentin wasn't generating a lot of pass rush, but he was one of the best run defenders in the entire league.
Starting point is 00:28:51 And Sauce, more often than not, was really reliable in coverage. I mean, I can remember the plays he gave up, which says more about the player than anything. They don't have talent at safety. Andre Sisko is now out for the year, but he wasn't very good. They're trying to get Malachi more worked in as a rookie, and he's been okay, but he's also had rookie moments.
Starting point is 00:29:13 Jarvis Brownlee's been a nice little ad, as has Joanne Briggs and Harrison Phillips, but you're talking about a slot corner and two run stuffers. So Jermaine Johnson was hurt a lot of this season. And they're very bad and thin and in the middle of the field, linebacker and safety. And the tight ends and receivers eat them alive in the middle of the field. So literally just as we were, as we are recording the show, Quinny Williams, I guess, losing his starting spot. Yeah, weird move.
Starting point is 00:29:42 Getting benched. It feels very strange that they, I don't know, man. Like it just feels very weird. Like, hey, we traded your brother and now you're benched. I just, I don't know. Like that, this move in particular, I'm raising an eyebrow and I'm like, all right, what are, what are you doing here? I don't like it. Well, the problem with that is, one, he's been better than their other linebackers.
Starting point is 00:30:08 See, why are you benching him? Right. Is there something like we don't know here? He's also. Like, do they think that he's going to like be very disgruntled about his brother getting traded and sort of like. Then why didn't you trade him yesterday? That's what that's what my opinion would be. in that situation.
Starting point is 00:30:26 It's a bad look. It's a bad disconnect. Mugi has done really well in trades. He's also had, and Glenn is as responsible as this because he's very involved in the personnel. He's had rookie GM moments. Like day three of the draft last year,
Starting point is 00:30:41 they were lost. They were lost. Things like this where it's like, why is Quincy still here after yesterday? Teams wanted him. Like I know teams wanted him. And you can't sit there and be like, well, we kept them
Starting point is 00:30:52 because we're only offered a day three pick. No, you're not, you're benching him anyway. The Brees one I don't get either. Like, maybe you can, maybe you can. That one I can explain. Okay. Because to me, on the outside with Brees, it is. I don't see a world where he's on this team next year.
Starting point is 00:31:11 So maybe you're saying to yourself, I have my price for a player. I'm not going to cave on it because I don't want to be known as a GM who can be walked all over when the situation's not going well. If that's what we're talking about here and that's the precedent, I can understand. But I really don't feel as though Bruce Hall is going to be on this team next year.
Starting point is 00:31:35 And because of that, I'm like, dude, just get the fourth round pick for him. If the chiefs actually offered you a fourth round pick, just give the chiefs a fourth round pick. But you sound like you have a little bit more insight into that maybe. Well, for that one, this can look really bad. It doesn't yet. If they just let him walk in free
Starting point is 00:31:51 agency, then it's idiotic. I think they should transition tag Breece. I think it would be 11.8 million. You have all the cap space in the world. You wouldn't have Breece Hall on a one-year deal south of $12 million for a rookie quarterback, potentially. Yeah. But I don't know that they're going to do that.
Starting point is 00:32:13 If they don't do that, then it's idiotic. Take the fourth round pick and move on because you're not going to factor into the compensatory pick formula at all. Right. I would hope this is because they like the player and want to keep the player. Breeses looked really good this year. No, it's not an indictment on Breeses' talent at all. I'm actually a little surprised the Chiefs just wouldn't give the third round pick.
Starting point is 00:32:37 The Chiefs are in the business of winning Super Bowls, and Brees Hall is really good, and your backfield kind of stinks. And everybody always pushes back. Well, the Chiefs don't run the ball. Brise's best attribute is catching the ball. So this isn't a Chiefs discussion, but I'm a little more surprised they just, GMs really hold on to these draft picks tight, man. And I get why.
Starting point is 00:32:59 Yeah, I do too. It's cost controlled stuff. It's guys that you're betting on. You know, you obviously don't have to pay them the second contract to, you know, soon, whatever it is. So there's a lot of reasons why you would hold on to them. But for the Chief specifically, like, they're in the winning window. I'm very shocked that Chuba Hubbard or Breece Hall is not a Kansas City chief today.
Starting point is 00:33:18 I really am surprised. of that because that's one of the most least dynamic running back rooms in the NFL and they're trying to compete for a Super Bowl. If you take out Patrick Mahomes is like rushing, that is like there are, they are non-existent on early downs with who they are out of the backfield. So I'm very surprised about that as well. Let's run through some of the slides for the draft history that we have here because I do want to talk about Darren Moogie and get some of your thoughts there. I want to read some quotes as we get into the team building aspect of what this show is all the ballot. So let's take a look a little bit of the draft history. You go back to that
Starting point is 00:33:53 2021 NFL draft. Sorry, this is the, this is the most recent one. And then we'll kind of work our way backwards. Membu, Stud, Mason Taylor, obviously, they're hoping that he's into the fold as a core player for them. You mentioned Azaree Thomas has played well for them. Ariensmith, we've talked about before. We don't need to say it again. We don't need to do it again. It was, it was not a, it was not a good pick. Malachi Moore looks like he's getting valuable snaps out there. So, in reality, like for where the team is going, you at least have four guys that you feel good about that are quote unquote your guys moving forward. So I think the class is very solid for
Starting point is 00:34:29 them, given how they're going to build things moving forward. Yeah, it's good for you to come out of the gate and hit on your premium picks, right? Membu looks like a franchise right tackle. I've been so impressed with him. Not only the tenacity he plays with, but he's cleaned up so many even little technical things in just a short span of time since he was a college player and taylor's played well like i said azarii and short sample sizes played well there it's so weird how they landed on arian smith in the fourth they traded a future fifth round pick to take tyler baron who's i don't think he's going to be on the team next year he's just he's not playable um malingoa has been okay against the run one of those guys that's lost in the
Starting point is 00:35:15 game in the middle of the field. I mean, but it's a fifth round linebacker. So, yeah, a solid draft for Glenn and Mugia in their debut draft. Yeah. And then, Tyler, you could just run through these pretty, you can run through all these quickly. Like, 2024, you've got Foxxanoo, Breil and Allen, obviously, like the running backs that are there, but that feels like it's about it.
Starting point is 00:35:38 2023, you've got Will McDonald. Tipman's played really well this year. Tipman, who are the guys you are going to build a. round moving forward, but I don't think any of, are the, or any of those other guys even. No, they just light, they just light picks on fire all the time after round two. So then 2022, this is the draft that has sauce in it. Garrett Wilson, Jermaine Johnson, Breece Hall, Jeremy Rucker, Max Mitchell, Michael Clemonds. All those guys are on the, well, they obviously, they just traded sauce, but this year,
Starting point is 00:36:07 all of these guys are on the team, which is pretty wild. So that, that one you feel good about, well, depending on if, I don't know if they feel good about it, this new regime moving forward. 2021 you mentioned it was Zach Wilson at the top it was Elijah Vera Tucker who I think is a hell of a player but now he's just hurt and then you know you got Jamie and Sherwood who is still there that's about it though yeah they traded Michael Carter to the Eagles two weeks ago it's got to be so much better than what it was previously which brings us into Darren Moosie who is his first year as general manager with the New York Jets he's just 40 years old he started his career as a scouting
Starting point is 00:36:39 intern with the Denver Broncos in 2012 so that's quite the ascension for him especially at his age in 13 years, already becoming a general manager in the NFL. When I looked at some quotes from him about team building philosophy, he had a lot of cliches, right? I found this one, our philosophy will be to draft and develop and keep our own, be disciplined, strategic and free agency. Dude, he's a walking cliche. It's a lot of cliques. It's a lot of cliches there. But there was a quote from when he was with the Broncos when they were doing like a behind in the scenes video thing about the draft. And he did have this to say about draft evaluation,
Starting point is 00:37:16 which I thought was interesting, and it's something to note as they kind of move forward with their draft evaluation processes. Quote, one of the more important parts of the evaluation process is each player's measurables, height, weight, speed, hand, arm length, all those things. Each position has a threshold, use the word threshold, kind of a cutoff line.
Starting point is 00:37:35 If his speed is below this, well, he probably isn't going to make it or we'll definitely have to downgrade them. Or if the size or the length is below this, we're going to have to downgrade him. So that was at least interesting. That's something a little bit tangible beyond cliches is maybe they are going to be a little bit more analytically forward with thresholds about what can and can't play in the league. But he went on to say that there is certainly nuanced involved.
Starting point is 00:37:57 And I hope that him and Glenn sort of have that maybe analytical and football background where they work very well together. But I did think that was interesting, at least, that he had mentioned that in that Broncos video. I think so too. And Glenn, you know, I remember going to his podium at the combine, and he, it was just when everybody was just, you know, badgering him about Aaron Rogers. And when he finally got some questions about actual football stuff, yeah, right away, he lit into arm length, that cornerback, size, physicality, being able to open up and run. They are a team, I think, in that first draft you could see, they do care about, like, size, athleticism. an age. Armand Membo and Mason Taylor were very young prospects, as was as Ari A Thomas as well,
Starting point is 00:38:44 as Ari A Thomas was. I think you are right. Yeah. Yeah, all three of those guys were very young. And yeah, they, I think they also, this isn't why they traded Quinn and Williams, but very different scheme aspect going from the type of players, Sala wanted and Oberg wanted in their scheme to what Aaron Glenn used in Detroit. Totally. They want to be bigger on the front four. They want to be bigger at linebacker, which is why I was a little surprised they gave. Surewood the money they did because he's very small. They're obviously have cut tight. They've
Starting point is 00:39:16 have this weird thing going on with Quincy right now that they benched him, another small linebacker. But I'm just like, we'll have larger combos about this and I doubt a little factor in today's show. I guarantee they're going to be infatuated with R. Belvries. Like infatuated with this player. Six foot four. He's going to be
Starting point is 00:39:32 250 pounds. He plays off the ball. He can rush. Totally. So like that, they want to be a bigger front seven. They want to be bigger at corner. I know sauce was a big corner, but Stevens and Zanazaria Thomas are big corners. They're changing the look of this team because of the style of football they play compared to the previous group. Yeah. And it's obviously going to take time. And that's why I think that you make the moves that you make to give yourself the premium picks to be able to pick the players that you want. Right. You know, I think very clearly
Starting point is 00:40:02 it is it is just felt as though since Aaron Glenn got there. He's like, yeah, I mean, like, changes are about to happen. We're about to change a lot. And like the culture change of what they're doing from a team building perspective, from an attitude perspective, from a leadership perspective. Like, I just felt as though nobody on this. Well, I didn't know that nobody on the roster was safe to the point of like Quinn and sauce. But very clearly, like nobody on the roster is safe.
Starting point is 00:40:28 The Jets went into this trade deadline and they said, anyone is available make an offer to us. And they said, we're not fire sailing anybody. But if you want to make an offer on a player, we'll be willing to. move on from them. Why? Because they didn't draft them and they didn't sign it. Right. And there's no connection there. And I wonder what the next couple of years look like loyalty wise from the players that they draft. How long of a leash are they going to get? Are they just going to stick with these guys as much as possible? I mean, it kind of felt that way with Justin Fields even, right? Where you were like, dude, I mean, you got to make a change of quarterback. And even it felt like
Starting point is 00:41:04 Aaron Glenn, correct me if I'm wrong, was slow to do that for his long as he possibly could. And I think that the loyalty is going to be a big thing here. And so nailing these draft picks to me is more important for the Jets than most other teams in the NFL because they're going to be loyal to their guys and it better work. That's the thing. You've got to be right. It's you're making it. What I'm fascinated by Trevor is Aaron Glenn comes in as a defensive coach, right? And I think part of him wants to shake that perception a little bit where he does the I hired Steve Wilkes he calls the plays he runs the defense I'm the head coach but Eric Glenn is going to be judged on his defense and when
Starting point is 00:41:47 you trade away sauce guard during Quinn Williams two moves that we just rationalized by the way yeah you have made your job and the perception of you a lot more difficult so you got to be right by it okay we are going to get to the rosters we're going to identify the core players that are left and talk about some free that to be quick We're going to talk about some free aid, potential free agent additions. We're going to read off some more super chats, but before we do that, this episode is brought to you by our friends over at Better Help. As the days get shorter, a little bit colder, it can maybe sometimes take a toll on how
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Starting point is 00:43:33 some super chats let's run through some super chats before we get into the roster here um everest seven dollars said big love from australia man shout out to australia watching and listen it's amazing what time is i have no idea what time it is don't ask me what time it is i have no idea but he said how about them seahawks sam sam sam darnald is him love that appreciate you what a name everest i know i know your friends definitely call you the mountain i was going to say one would say that that's the peak of all names moof thank you for the five dollar super chat just draft reese downs tate smith and saying and become the new york buck guys what could possibly go wrong probably i would i'd sign up for that right now of course you would
Starting point is 00:44:18 what thousand percent you would i'd sign up for all that right now you're telling you i get rville reese hold on hold on yeah i bet you would sign up for top five pick rville rice top five pick kaleb downs top five pick julian saying top five pick uh jeremiah smith and then first rounder carnell Tate. First round of Carnell Tate. Yeah, I bet you would sign up for that. I got five first round picks. You receive, I receive. Uh, Reflex $5. Uh, says, um, would love, or sorry, uh, if I'm going to read this one? Sure. Yeah. I know what it's referencing. Okay. All right, sure. All right. Uh, reflexio said, would this have still happened if Connor hadn't released the new Mark files and literally changed the course of mental NFL history?
Starting point is 00:45:05 So when Aaron Glenn got the job, the Jets' GM search was down to two candidates. And Lance Newmark from the Lions, now Commanders, was one. He was originally with the Lions. A lot of people drew conclusions. That was Glenn's guy. I did an episode of Badlands just going through the background to Lance Newmark. And it got, it became like a little bit of a, you know, like a legendary episode called the Newmark files. I didn't like the candidate
Starting point is 00:45:35 Let's just say that I also didn't completely bury the guy But oddly enough And this is not because of me Okay Oddly enough The Jets Totally restarted the GM search
Starting point is 00:45:48 The next day Which Lance Newmark was not a part of anymore Nah brother, that's you That's all you It's not me The man they hired Definitely had some say And Aaron Glenn and was like
Starting point is 00:45:59 Wait, what? So yes No, it's not files. No. Yeah. Sounds like it could have been you. Um, $5 from Ryan says people wrote off Quentin Johnson. He's turned and he's turned that corner. So I think A.D. Mitchell could get to a good place where he, when he is still on his rookie deal. I agree. Love that. We're manifesting it. As somebody who liked A.D. Mitchell coming out of the draft. Love that, Ryan. You couldn't be more spot on. Great callback. Love the thought process. I do too. I'm excited to just play
Starting point is 00:46:28 A.D. Mitchell. Right. Like just you got nothing to lose right now. Just play them. Yep. Chad Prince. Thank you for the super chat. No question. This is 10 bucks for Connor to just go have a stiff drink. What a lad. That is really nice.
Starting point is 00:46:40 Thank you, Chad. Not New York or not. Kyle, five dollars. Get me. No, we appreciate it. Yeah, of course. Kyle says, Trevor, has anybody told you that you look identical to Tyler Shuck? Wait, should the Jets trade for Tyler Shuck?
Starting point is 00:46:55 Boom, franchise fix. Not sure that fix the franchise. But if somebody would like to. You don't look identical to him. If somebody would like to tell my bank account that I look exactly like Tyler Shuck, I will take that, you know, if they want to send the game checks my way instead because they get us confused, I will take that. I mean, you still look identical to me to Gabriel Landiscock, which somebody also shouted out in the chat. It's unbelievable, how much you look like Gabriel Landiscag. Yeah, you know what hurts?
Starting point is 00:47:26 The lightning loss of the abs last night. That's what hurts. Oh, no. That's what hurts. Oh, no. kelby two dollar super chat 10 minutes in and no arian smith mentioned that's what i just wanted to read that one i know that was your i will take a bow uh you're welcome kelby big dog thank you for the two dollar super chat aaron aaron glen there it is right yeah yeah i agree uh sports debate arena
Starting point is 00:47:49 colts did get fleeced uh this would make sense for the ravens but the colts don't know if jones is fake and if he is you might be stuck with them for two years to get a cornerback as a giants fan i've seen this script look as a giants fan i can understand the you know animosity towards or their reluctancy to buy into Daniel Jones, but very clearly he's playing very, very well. And like I said, I think the big reason why is because Chris Bauer has been waiting for a time to go all in for a while.
Starting point is 00:48:12 And this is his time to do it. So I like that trade more for the Jets than I do the Colts. But there's a world where it works out for the Colts. The best part is, Trevor, we're going to get to see. That's the beauty of this one. Wisco 03XX. Is it bad process to trade a good young player under franchise control for the next four or five years in sauce?
Starting point is 00:48:31 the Williams trade, I understand more as his contract is coming up in two years. I think what I agree with the latter part of this, like the Quinn and Williams trade makes a lot of sense. This is selling high while you can because. Yes, it's just a matter of selling very high. Like Jerry Jones met their price and it's a good return for the Jets. Sauce is 25. I don't think it's a bad process.
Starting point is 00:49:00 if you end up building a better team. Because the Jets are not a good team right now. They're a bad team with a very good cornerback. Yeah. If you utilize these picks to build a competitive football team, which once again, they are not right now, then the process isn't bad. But, well, we're going to get to see.
Starting point is 00:49:21 You know what? We're going to get to see. That's the beauty of this. That's true. James $5 a dollar super chat. Sauce became more expendable, the moment that the Jags is snagged. A. Z. Azare A. Thomas. Not like they didn't want him, but a first and a second round,
Starting point is 00:49:36 talent slagged, snagged late, options opened. I just think the options open, really. Yeah, I mean, the Colts called the big offer. With a huge offer. But having Azari A Thomas makes it easier to say, hey, we drafted this guy. We love this guy going back to the loyalty part. So, yeah. They, a little peel back at the curtain, my understanding was they didn't, they never thought Azaray Thomas would make it to them in the third round. I mean, I kind of didn't. I thought he was, I thought he was a day two player. I had a second round grade on him.
Starting point is 00:50:07 They knew they had to take Mason Taylor with their other top 50 pick, but. Why nepotism? Yeah. Jets, Jets great, Jason Taylor. One remarkable year. But yeah, they were definitely surprised they got them. I don't know if that's, that's not why they traded sauce, but it's, there's a little story for you.
Starting point is 00:50:26 Axel $5 super chat. Glad I have the day off work when I get the notification that y'all are live when I'm there. It's like the Squidward meme looking out the window. Well, glad you're here, Axel. I'm glad to have you here, Axel. Ariel Collier, hope, thank you for the super chat, 20 big ones. Hoping the Jets can get their stuff together from my mother and you, Connor, bring out the tanks. Julian Sayan, saying will be the savior.
Starting point is 00:50:49 I have a lot of questions here, Arlo. Your mom is a Jets fan. Yeah. interesting and i'm curious who you who you are a fan of but yes i'm rooting for myself and your mother sometimes i don't mean that the way it sounds sometimes we love moms in this chat joshua ten dollar super chat long time addict and badlands listener uh war room so worth it thank you Joshua. All I got to say is Dante Moore and Carnell Tate better learn how to speak New York. I'll show them. The good times are coming back.
Starting point is 00:51:29 You ever have a bacon, egg, and cheese? Yeah. I've, I have, I have, I have, uh, I have had the pleasure of partaking in the meal of a bacon, egg, and cheese, uh, on an everything bagel with you in the great city of New York. In Union Square. Boy, that is, that is enough to sell Dante Moore and Carnell Tate, uh, to get to the New York. We got to work with what we got. Austin Smith, thank you for the $5 super chat. For the Jets to get two picks in 2007 is insane. We'd love to hear your thoughts on the depth of the class overall
Starting point is 00:52:01 has a potential to be historic. It does. Yes. It does. We're going to spend a lot of time on that class, a little time on it today. But the beauty of it is for all the addicts. Trevor and I will be doing summer scouting again next summer, and I'm sure we're going to be hyping the hell out of that class.
Starting point is 00:52:17 Got a lot of people in the chat recognizing that this show, loves moms big mom show taylor said we love moms nflSC merch uh rufean said zach wilson love moms oh man yeah dry grass m i l f s e merch i l f s e merch i could know my boy that's a good yeah no that's good i'm glad you did it not me okay let's get to the roster um core players on the offensive side of the football. Take a look at this graphic here. Nice and quick.
Starting point is 00:52:57 A quarterback. There's a much question marks. Don't know. Connor, you take a look at it and you just take a glance and be like, yeah, we're good to go here. Right. The core players, I have with a star next to them. So like Garrett Wilson, Mason Taylor, two offensive tackles and Joe Tibman.
Starting point is 00:53:17 But basically, like, I don't even know what the project. This is the projected starting lineup going into the next year. Is this the correct painting of the picture here for the Jets? Yeah, I hope that they bring Brise back. I don't think Braylon Allen. I know he's hurt right now. I don't think he's been very good. And Isaiah Davis is like your ideal RB2-3-ish kind of guy.
Starting point is 00:53:36 So I hope Breeze is back, whether that's on an extension or a transition tag. And then that's it, man. Tipman's played really well at Guard this year. Josh Myers is on a one-year deal. So maybe Tipman goes back to Center next year, but he might just play guard for them. John Simpson's a free agent. their left guard. Elijah Vera Tucker is a free agent.
Starting point is 00:53:54 Their right guard that is missing the whole year. So yeah, Trevor, this is it, man. Like, that's it. So on the defense side of the football, I think the two edge rushers, since they didn't trade Jermaine Johnson, right? Two edge rushers are core players for you.
Starting point is 00:54:08 I have Mazzie Smith on here, not as a core player, but like, I guess he's just going to be one of the starting DTs next year, maybe? Well, maybe not. Harrison Phillips is under contract next year. Okay.
Starting point is 00:54:20 And he's been a really nice ad for them at Nosedows. tackle. Joanne Briggs, who they got from the Browns, has also been a really nice ad. So I could see them going into the year with Harrison Phillips, Briggs. Can you get anything out of Mazi the rest of the season? If he shows you anything, he'll be on the roster. If not, they'll draft another defensive tackle to play with those other two. Yeah, I only listed Jamie and Sherwood at linebacker, and I'm glad that I did, certainly with Quincy Williams now being bench.
Starting point is 00:54:48 I know an expiring deal. right um azari thomas as one of the outside corners jarvis brownly is the slot but they need another outside corner brandon stevens probably stays you think he'll start out you think do you think they'd be okay with brand stevens zarii thomas and jarvis brownly junior it's not perfect world scenario yeah but you paid you paid stevens on a multi-year deal you're only in year one of it right now hopefully azarii continues to develop like he has brownley's been good i i i've think that they add another corner but not a guy like yeah those would be the three starters i think healthy just said bear alexander welcome to new york that's not crazy at all and then they
Starting point is 00:55:30 need another safety next to malachi more if malachi more is even viewed as a safety they might think that they need two starting safeties uh which brings us to the team needs uh the team needs here for them i have quarterback i have running back but no you have to though you have yeah if you bring back briefs obviously it's not nearly as much of a need wide receiver offensive guard they've got to invest in offensive guard defensive tackle potentially if you get a high end guy linebacker one outside corner and then a safety guy you nailed it no you absolutely i obviously didn't even touch this because this is it right here they the nice thing is Trevor they have all this money now they can literally do whatever they want yes they can knock some of these out like you look at guard
Starting point is 00:56:15 you can bring back Simpson or AVT if you want to and want to or Myers and eliminate some needs. After that it gets a little tricky. And Breece. Brice was the other guy I was going to say. But you're going to need a quarterback. You're going to need a wide receiver or two. You're going to need another defensive tackle to rotate with those other two guys. And then you have a lot of needs on defense, man.
Starting point is 00:56:38 Paul Asden, shout out boy Green said it might be easier to list the needs that the Jets don't have. And unfortunately. Very fair. That is correct. Matthew's saying tight end too. Massive neat. Yeah, Ruckerts played better this year, but I agree with you, Matthew. I would prefer an upgrade because they're from the, the staffs from the lions.
Starting point is 00:56:57 They want to run a lot of 12 personnel. I would, I'd be going after a tight end too as well. Okay. So let's get into it. Let's get into the, that's the background. That's the first hour. Let's fix the team. Let's get into it.
Starting point is 00:57:10 So the free agency side of things, before we get into the draft, we identify. some of the team needs way. Identify the roster. These are the free agents that they have upcoming. Now, as it stands after the trades, they have $116 million to spend right now on the cap for 2026. That's the third most of any team in the NFL. These are the free agents that I have here for the upcoming season. Elijah Vera Tucker, Brees Hall, Alan Lazard, Andre Sisko, John Simpson, Tyrod Taylor, Quincy Williams, Michael Clemens, Josh Myers, Josh Reynolds, John Mechie, Chuck O'Corp form, Tony Adams, and then at tight end, all three of these guys,
Starting point is 00:57:51 Jelani Wood, Stone Smart, and Jeremy Rucker, all three of those guys are free agents. So tight end too, you could maybe bring one of those guys back, but you could have the flexibility to add whoever you want. Breece Hall aside, because you talked about how if there's a good relationship enough there, you'd feel good about bringing him back and making him part of his team.
Starting point is 00:58:10 Do you think anybody else even gets prioritized at this point? given the fact that they weren't drafted by the current regime and how they're willing to really change the DNA of this roster. One of Simpson and ABT should be back. Okay. You don't let both go. Who do you prefer? It's so tricky because Simpson gives you the floor.
Starting point is 00:58:34 ABT gives you the upside. And Simpson's a big leader on this team. Like a highly respected guy, veteran guy. I mean, in theory, you can keep both if you want. So let's do it like this, Trevor. Two of the three of Vera Tucker, Simpson, and Josh Myers should probably be back. Because if you let Myers walk, you can move Tipman back to center. But I think they're more likely to keep Myers because he's cheaper
Starting point is 00:59:03 and keep Tipman at guard where he's been good and then pick between AVT and Simpson. I'm still such a believer in Elijah Vera Tucker. Me too. This is really hard, dude. It's really hard to just say, yep, don't want ABT on the team. Right. No way. I'd want AVT back.
Starting point is 00:59:26 I would definitely want AVT back. If he wants to be back, I'd bring back both Simpson and AVT then. Because you mentioned like the offensive line's finally good. That's a good. That's a really good. group you don't really want to mess that up and if and if you have titman starting at center these two guys starting at guard and then membu and fash anew to be honest man like i like that the
Starting point is 00:59:51 most i would be okay with bringing both of those guys back and chris in the chat makes a good point he says sign all three interior offensive linemen they'll never use their cat money otherwise that's a fair point free agency stinks every year externally i agree so if you like your three offensive lineman, and these guys aren't getting $25 million a year. None of them are. These are pretty middle-of-the-pack kind of signings. Then, yeah, keep them. What else are you spending money on? Michael, Michael is saying the guy tore his triceps in both arms, weirdest injury history ever. It's pretty insane. Does he have other major injuries or those are the only two? I think he tore his bice is well he's done that he's done the triceps now in both arms separately
Starting point is 01:00:40 dude I remember I remember the same thing happened with um Gerald McCoy like he tore his biceps and then he tore his biceps again and then it was I don't want to butcher this but like it was almost like there was a different surgery that he had the second time where they were like yeah the first time it was never going to hold to play to play play in the NFL like to have that kind of demand and now and then like the second time he had surgery it was like more of like a long term like actually getting the real surgery done abt has gone torn triceps torn achilles torn triceps that's the killer right like that's the one that you hate the most because i can live with signing a guy to a long term deal that
Starting point is 01:01:26 tore both of his triceps because i don't think it'll ever happen again the crazy thing is he looked so good this summer so back to form where it's just like... I'm bringing it back. I'm bringing it back, too. I'm bringing it back. I'm bringing it back. Peter, by the way, $50. Peter, you're the man.
Starting point is 01:01:48 Is Peter microwaving? Yeah, he is. He said, hey, Quinn and Williams, we're good, bro. You can leave. Mazzie Smith is here. Colin Cowherd, probably. Shout out the iconic Call and Cowherd quote on Ben Simmons. Nobody does a rant like Cowan.
Starting point is 01:02:03 Okay, so we're bringing back John Simpson and Elijah Barrett Tucker, which I don't hate. That's fine. I don't know what John Metchy's going to be for you. I'd bring him back. John Metchy is your wide receiver four, wide receiver five. I mean, who else you can have? You're moving on from Al-Lazar. You're moving on from Josh Reynolds.
Starting point is 01:02:26 Yeah, let's wrap it out. Those guys back. So you have Garrett Wilson, you have A.D. Mitchell, and you have Arian Smith, which, give me betting on John Metchie over Arian Spen. You're probably right because then you don't have to draft two wide receivers. Right. So they still can if you want. John Metchie's not getting $9 million a year.
Starting point is 01:02:42 100%. 100%. Yeah. Yeah, I think. And this is another, I haven't talked about as much as I have with Mitchell, but this is an opportunity for Metchie to come in and catch a couple passes and play. Yes. Yes.
Starting point is 01:02:55 These are low cost moves. Okay. So we're bringing back Elijah Vera Tucker. We're bringing back John Simpson. Are we, we're bringing back Josh Myers as well? You bring him back all three? Yeah, you might as well. Okay, you might as well.
Starting point is 01:03:07 Well, no, it probably is two of the three. Okay, then I'd pick John Simpson and Elijah Vera Tucker, given what you talked about with the leadership with Simpson. Yep. I'm bringing back Metchy. We've been bringing back one of these tight ends. We've probably got to bring back one of them, right? Ruckert.
Starting point is 01:03:22 Ruckert's from Long Island, so maybe you can, it's easy to convince him to stay. So he's probably there. The rest of them you're moving on from, right? Yeah. There's no need. I, you know better than me. It doesn't feel Bengals in the chat saying I'm over Joe Tim and a tight end run the damn football. Done, six man line.
Starting point is 01:03:44 Not a bad idea. Just play jumbo set as your base. Like not even, we're not even talking 11 personnel. We're talking 6.0 linemen is the most run personnel formation that you have on the team. That's what we really need. The Jets run jumbo 69% of the time. It's their lead personnel grouping. works every time would be amazing do you want to say that we're bringing back breece hall yeah you trade
Starting point is 01:04:09 him if you weren't going to bring him back transition tag slap it right on a cell all right fine you print out the the the hood of the car right here you walk up to the baby will run for miles that's right just look at it and it's just breeze hall just look at it okay so we're not really still i mean we're we're barely eating into this cap space and and whoever left the comment was right like you can't you're they're not going to spend this much money in the agency they're just not so the free agency cuts that i have after this with those guys that we're adding are we cutting fields because you save 10 million if you cut them post June 1 but then you still will need a backup quarterback you will but is like is he the backup
Starting point is 01:05:01 quarterback that you want, essentially, is what I'm saying. Depends what the market would look like. I would actually think probably no. You probably go, you probably bring him into camp and let him take the starter's reps. Quarterbacks. I know fans don't love that, but what like what? They're free agents this upcoming off season. Daniel Jones, not getting him.
Starting point is 01:05:29 Aaron Rogers, L.O.L. Yeah, come on. uh russell wilson low moving cost no low movie cost no no i'd i'd pay you hall to not bring his stuff to the you'd pay peter to somehow set it up where this doesn't happen yes uh marcus mariotta no probably not leaving zach wilson running it back uh and then we get where we are and then we get it doesn't get it doesn't get prettier than this then you have tyrod taylor yep always her love him always hurt joe flacco by the way i see a lot of mac jones in the chat i love that but the niners were smart and mac jones is on a two-year deal not a one-year deal yeah mac jones is not a
Starting point is 01:06:11 free agent uh then you have keny picket jimmy gropolo Mitch trubiskey we're keeping Justin fields case keenam's in the league i don't think so no he is brother he's on the he's on the Chicago Bears wait really yeah yeah yeah learn ball brother what is he doing over there learn ball he said they have ties invasion 15 seconds ago Wow, I really do not know ball. What about, okay, these are, these are two that I'm not entirely out on. Okay. One is Malik Willis, which is you running back the archetype of Justin Fields.
Starting point is 01:06:52 No. But he might be better. No, you're doing the, it hasn't worked for everyone else. No, he worked at Green Bay. And it hasn't worked for us. It worked for Green Bay. And it hasn't worked for us, but it might work for us this time. It worked in Green Bay.
Starting point is 01:07:06 Nope. All right. The other one's Teddy Bridgewater. No, he's been there too. Well, it's your fault for letting him go. Yeah. Actually, in hindsight, it doesn't look great that they let him go. Now, he's staying in Tampa anyways.
Starting point is 01:07:20 Trade a third for Spencer was like coaching a high school team. Well, he was. And then he was helping kids in like underdeveloped situations. yeah it was awesome outside of school and kids that like actually needed stuff like rides to school and school supplies and like sports equipment and all this kind of stuff and he was like setting up things where he could actually get it for them and then something happened where i can't remember if it was a school or the state or what but they were just like now you can't do that's impermissible benefits it's like what are we trying to do he's trying to just help kids man come on what are we
Starting point is 01:07:54 doing at least that's how i read the story when it was coming out anyways he's on the buccaneers now you can't have them anyways all right so we're bringing back justin fields whatever i mean i'm glad we ran through the exercise whatever i didn't want it no i didn't want to switch it up anyways i didn't i always i always wanted justin fields back yeah very clearly the guy's got a jersey underneath that hoodie okay so we're keeping justin fields and he's the backup quarterback here's the free agent targets that i had for this team if we weren't bringing back the offensive guards that we were. Wyatt Teller Brady Christensen were kind of the two that stood out to me
Starting point is 01:08:31 where they at least could be, Brady Christensen's got versatility. You can play them at a lot of different spots. I think he's played almost every spot on the offensive line. Maybe he said has played all. Wyatt Teller is not what he used to be, but at least like it's still Wyatt Teller. You know, like, I think you're okay with that.
Starting point is 01:08:47 So if we weren't adding on the offensive line, I would have kind of like gone after those two, but we brought back the guys that you feel good about an offensive line you feel good about. Marcus Davenport was with Aaron Glenn in New Orleans and then in Detroit. Right. So, like, he is his guy.
Starting point is 01:09:05 And you mentioned defensive philosophy of wanting to have, like, heavier-handed, bigger defensive linemen on the team. This is a dude that you have the ability to go get as probably a depth piece. So he's on this list. Travis Jones. I love this one. Kind of my favorite guy to go after. And what was the combo we just had about the front seven?
Starting point is 01:09:27 they want bigger people beef it was 340 pounds he's having a good year he's having a good year that's that's the guy on this graphic yeah so we're signing Travis Jones we're making it happen and you like you can go get him and I honestly and I'm signing Marcus Davenport I think I think Markis Davenport's a depth guy for you sure because I don't think I don't know if Al Qadimahman from the lion just they're going to let him leave he's having a good year so I don't know if they're going to let him leave and then there's no way Devin Lloyd gets free. So, yeah,
Starting point is 01:09:59 Devin Lloyd's obviously the pipe dream one. I don't think... You got a dream. You do. You do. That's the point of fix your franchise. Yeah, you've got a pipe.
Starting point is 01:10:06 I mean, you've got a pipe dream. Yeah. Nucoby Dean's the other one. And then Leo Chanel. If they had an opportunity to get Leo Chanel, I'd tell every single team in the NFL to go get Leo Chanel because he's an animal. He makes, once again,
Starting point is 01:10:21 a ton of fit for what they want to do and what they want to be. Now, are the chiefs going to let him out? I don't know. The Chiefs don't do a pretty good job of keeping the guys that they want to keep. They do. This is when I go back to saying free agency stinks. Nukobi Dean, though.
Starting point is 01:10:39 It's an interesting one. This one, I think, makes sense. The only problem I have with that is you paid a small linebacker and Jamie and Sherwood. Are you going to then pay a second small linebacker? It's where the game's going, brother. Yeah, I hate it. Soon enough. Soon enough, we won't even be tackling.
Starting point is 01:10:58 Soon enough, we'll be flag football. No, you just slap someone on the helmet and go, you're down. I do kind of like, I'm not going to lie. Like, I like the Nacobie Dean potential here at linebacker. We don't have to do it because I do agree that you bring up a good point about the small linebackers. Cam Curl is an interesting one because the Rams have Quinn Lake. They have Cam Kinchins, and Cam Kroll is now a free agent upcoming. And he's always good.
Starting point is 01:11:24 And he's, I think he's a hell of a football player. He's always so freaking good. And the thing with Cam Curl is, he brings tackling consistency to a back end of a defense that is dreadful at it. Dreadful. Tony Adams, Andre Sisko, go down the list. The Jets cannot tackle on the back end. I think they're like no doubters, Trevor or Travis Jones and Cam Curl.
Starting point is 01:11:47 Okay. For like first hour of free agency, get both of those guys here because those guys fit what we want to be. Okay. All right. So we've got those two guys. I think the two dudes that you go get if the price is right and you can make it happen, Leo Chanel is next on that list and you go get him if you can make it happen. And then Marcus Davenport, if you want like a depth guy who's familiar with what
Starting point is 01:12:09 Glenn wants to do on the defensive. And he can't cost anything because of the time he's missed. Right, right. I think that will be a very low cost ad for a familiar player that makes sense. Yep. Which brings us to the mock trap baby. Before we get into that, though, somebody mentioned, thank goodness, that they, that they got in with Fabric Gerber Life to set up the
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Starting point is 01:14:17 no third rounder because of the husson radic trade a fourth rounder no fifth rounder due to some moving up and down the drafts in 2025 but then in twenty twenty seven one, two, three first rounders, and then you got your second and your third round pick as well. Tyler, let's go with a three-round mock draft here. Three-rounder for the New York Jets. Let's see. We brought back the offensive line.
Starting point is 01:14:41 We brought back Breece Hall, brought back John Mechie, signed Cam Curl, signed Travis Jones. Maybe Leo Chanel, if we're lucky. But, Connor, how are we feeling here? Number three overall. What are we doing? So I think there's two pathways for us And we should do both
Starting point is 01:14:56 I think the one Because I see another super chat from Tony Thank you for the $10 super chat The more I watch the quarterbacks Am I crazy to want the Jets to wait for 2027 I kind of like the mock draft Trevor did early today So I think there's one mock draft
Starting point is 01:15:12 That we do wait because I think that's a real conversation right now The Jets are in no world They have to take a guy We are going to do a mock draft Where they do take a guy but we're also going to do a mock draft where they don't take one with the thought that they are in on the 2007 quarterback draft class where they have three first round picks.
Starting point is 01:15:30 Okay, so let's do you want to do the quarterback one here? We should do the quarterback one here. Okay, let's do the quarterback one here. Mendoza is off the board. Which could very well happen. It could, although the longer we do this into this class, the less I am convinced we're going to get the panic picks for a quarterback at the top.
Starting point is 01:15:52 I know. Daniel Jeremiah said this when he was on the Rich Eisen Show earlier this week. He's like, I don't think that teams are going to view any of these quarterbacks, even like Cam Ward was viewed last year. I agree. He's like, I think they're all going to have lower grades than what Cam Ward had. And if that's the case, I genuinely believe that it opens up things where the first, second, third pick of the draft is not a quarterback in this case.
Starting point is 01:16:16 But in this instance, this right now makes a little sense. The Saints picked first and they took Mendoza. that's fine. Yes. So are we taking Dante Moore, Ty Simpson? So we will do here. I don't have a clear, like break, like a clear divide between these two yet. My gut is, it's more likely Simpson is in this draft than more.
Starting point is 01:16:39 It is. I can see more going back to school. I agree. There's a lot of things I love about Dante Morris game. And if he goes back to school, gets a little bigger, continues to start at the college level. I totally understand. I can easily right now talk myself, Trevor, into this draft where we are taking a quarterback no matter what into Ty Simpson. I can.
Starting point is 01:16:59 I mean, is he the most prototypical number three overall pick? No. But this is a former five-star recruit that waited his turn at Alabama. He's playing excellent football, rips throws over the middle of the field. He's very smart pre-snap. He's obviously a really important part of the leadership of that team. Like this guy, really, he has, he does have it all right now. The thing that you'd like more of is we've seen them play football for two months, dude.
Starting point is 01:17:25 Right, right. And somebody in the chat just pointed that out. Does that scare you? Yes. Yes, because go through the history of quarterbacks that are drafted. And when you're working with a lesser sample size, the misrate and the variance is always significantly higher. That's why this is one of the hardest exercises to do right now. I want to see Ty Simpson play in the college football playoff in big games.
Starting point is 01:17:47 I'd love to see him play a second year. But I don't know if we'll get that luxury. And that's going to make you wonder the Jets process here of if they even want to take a quarterback this year. So Dante gave us a $5 super chat. He says, I'm really not sold on Ty Simpson. He may be playing very well, but he has just too few of starts. Wouldn't it be like Zach Wilson all over again?
Starting point is 01:18:02 The problem with Zach Wilson. The level of comp. The comparison there is Zach Wilson's level of competition was terrible. I mean, during a COVID season. He absolutely lit up every single team that he played on BYU's schedule. And like none of them were NFL caliber players. And when Zach Wilson got to the league, he didn't know how to process NFL defenses. He didn't know how to process the game speed.
Starting point is 01:18:25 He would hold on to the ball too long and it would turn into a sack or a fumble or a bad decision. And Ty Simpson's not like that. He plays at the highest level, high SEC competition. He is excellent at, you know, running through his progression. I mean, I know like the one year starting, yeah, of course, like it worries anybody. But like, this dude is already so good at layering throws over the middle, at going to his second and his third reads and progressions, getting the backside
Starting point is 01:18:49 digs on certain concepts when the front side routes aren't open like he is doing all of these things now as he's consistent as can be no but we're seeing that from this guy in his second month as a starter so I think I like Ty Simpson maybe the most of any quarterback right now it's to me it's him or Mendoza to be honest yeah I'm a little I'm still lukewarm on Mendoza honestly lukewarm I'm not as hot as other he's got the arm talent I think he does have the armed talent, but. Yeah, in this spot, I'm taking Simpson. I'm with the thought that more could go back to school.
Starting point is 01:19:27 That could change. I love Simpson's floor, which is a dangerous thing to say about any quarterback prospect, but you made a great point, Trevor. It's one thing to talk about the one year starting, but he is from preparing with the starter mindset for years. He's been in Alabama for years. He's been there backup quarterback before this. It's not like he got there a year ago.
Starting point is 01:19:46 And now he's starting as a, you know, a red shirt sophomore. and it's like, ah, you know, it's, there's a lot of professional things to like about Ty Simpson. I agree. So let's take him here at number three and then see what we got at the back end of the first round. All right. So for those who are audio only, big board, as it currently stands right in front of us, Colton Hood from Tennessee, the corner, Quincy Road Jr., the edge rush remote from Arkansas, Jennings Dunker, my boy, the offensive lineman from Iowa,
Starting point is 01:20:15 Connor Loo, the center from Auburn, but I think he's going to go back, to be honest with you. Caden MacDonald, defense attacker from Ohio State, who I would have been very intrigued on if we didn't get Travis Jones in free agency. Sonny Stiles still being here at 32. I mean, I think he has a hell of a football player, the linebacker from Ohio State. Maybe A.J. Harris from Penn State as well.
Starting point is 01:20:36 And then you start getting into some wide receivers. You talk about Elijah Surrott from Indiana, Chris Bell from Louisville, Ian Strong from Ruckers, like a lot of those dudes as well. So what do you think, Connor? about i was curious of what your opinion is because this trap you know it we're picking at 32 so the colts won the super bowl here yes what did we just miss on um no nothing crazy oana vega oane uh armacin thomas l t overton i was really hoping for denzel boston
Starting point is 01:21:12 to make it here were you yeah which he didn't it's fine yeah but if you want to if i mean if you want a wide receiver. I think Ian Strong's a hell of a player. Elijah Sarat's great. Chris Bell, if you want to bet on the upside. I think you're right higher on him than I am. Jacoby Lane is here as well if you want that true X type of a wide receiver. Well, and but you also pick in three picks after this. Right. So do you have to, that's a good point. You can get one of those receivers. It's what I love about Strong and Surat here is I think the Jets need size at wide receiver. Like you have Garrett Wilson. We'll see what Adonai Mitchell could do.
Starting point is 01:21:50 Yeah. But it's nice that the options here can play on the perimeter. Chris Bell could stretch the field. Yeah, let's look at the total positions. Because maybe we revisit wide receiver in a couple of picks. Man, Quincy Rhodes is really interesting just because he is just so dynamic with his size and he could play on the edge. Yeah, he's a big dude. They will really like Caden McDonald's, I would think.
Starting point is 01:22:14 well if we didn't sign Travis Jones right you don't need to do that yeah I think that I mean unless you know you talked about how the the D line depth is okay at defensive tackle they'd be okay with Harrison Phillips Joanne Briggs and Travis Jones I mean maybe Amari Washington from Oregon if you want to bet on the outside but the only the only issue the only thing that scares me with that is he's sort of like Mazi Smith archetype right yeah that's where he he's just an athlete keep going Yeah, yeah, let's keep going down. Sarveld, I think, is a really good player as well. Oh, now we get in the line.
Starting point is 01:22:55 Now we're getting in like CJ Allen, you know, like line. Right. Like a big linebacker. Yeah, like Anthony Hill Jr. C.J. Allen. I love AJ Halsey, but I don't think you have to pick of a 32. I mean, like, I'd pick him to 32, but. It's interesting because you can get, you might be able to,
Starting point is 01:23:12 you can probably get Abney like in the second. round i like corner in the second round right and and it's one of the spots they have bodies at right now i like uh i like linebacker here i like your linebacker of choice here and then we go sunny styles is i think is awesome and then we go wide receiver and then corner i'm a big fan of cj allen i really am i just think he brings what erring Glenn values to the table with the size, the instincts, the thumping against the run. But it feels like, man, it feels like Stiles is worth the value here. He's just been so good.
Starting point is 01:24:01 He's been so good. Yeah, it's kind of hard for me to. Dude, you know he has a zero percent mistackle percentage this year? That's crazy. Well, and he gives you athleticism to play in space. He's bigger than I always remember, too. Because of how athletic he is, I'm like, oh, like... What's he listed at?
Starting point is 01:24:18 I'm pretty sure he's over 240 pounds. Is he really? Yeah, Stiles is listed 6-4-243. Oh, dude, we got to... Sonny styles. We're dropped to Sunni styles. Yes. Because he's only 20 years old.
Starting point is 01:24:34 My God. So now I think that this is probably wide receiver of choice. Right? Yeah. it's between strong bell and sarat it's can you click on strong tyler i actually haven't seen what he was the last couple of games oh he's been okay the last couple of games struggled against oregon i go back and i got to watch the organ tape but it's probably chris bell then right i mean because of the speed yeah just the overall athleticism i mean you're you're i don't think that
Starting point is 01:25:09 he's a nuanced or outrunner, but... No, I don't either. I think I'm... I think it sounds like this show might be a little bit lower on him than consensus, but my goodness, what an athlete. I know. At a legit like 220, 220, 225 pounds. I know.
Starting point is 01:25:25 I'm torn between him and Surat here. The chats also talk about Jacoby Lane. Jacoby Lane's very good. He gets overshadowed because he plays in an offense with Mackay Lemon. Yeah. But... Do you want... lane is because i think lane's a little bit bigger than sarat actually no i mean i like sarat
Starting point is 01:25:46 better yeah i just think sarat's a better football player what's what's what's what's sarat's measurements i can't remember he's 6 2215 right yeah yeah i i'd take eliza sarat he's just hell of a football he's so sarat's the best player bell has the most athletic upside right but i i just say aren't you kind of tired of betting on that and swinging and missing I'm going to be honest. And we just took Simpson, where I want to play an offense with some precision now. Let's go Surrett. Yep.
Starting point is 01:26:19 I like it. All right, Elijah Surratt. Best part is we get to keep picking. Is this corner? Yeah, dude. Chris Johnson, Keith Abney. Like, this is corner to me. What about safety, too, just to be sure.
Starting point is 01:26:33 Remember, we only got Cam Curl. AJ Alde. There he is. There he is. You know what I think. Take them. You know what I think? I think AJ Halsey is a hell of a player.
Starting point is 01:26:46 And I think that he is somebody that Aaron Glenn would love. Because now the DBs line up as Stevens and the Zaria on the outside, Jarvis Brownie on the inside, Cam Curl and Halsey at safety with Malachi Moore as your third safety. That's a much better situation than what they've been dealing on the back end this year. Yeah, yeah. And then they have what, one more pick? What is it? that 60, what is that, 68, something like that? No.
Starting point is 01:27:13 What is it? The Jet? Oh, they don't have their third rounder because of the Sonretic trade. Oh, okay. So they shouldn't have this pick then. Or the next pick. Yeah, they won't have the next pick. Oh, I'm dumb.
Starting point is 01:27:27 Sorry, sorry, sorry. Okay, so we only have one pick then. Safety or corner? Safety. Okay, Halsey. Yeah, then it's allsy. Yeah. Okay.
Starting point is 01:27:38 all right so then that's the first draft that we have here we've took the quarterback we went the quarterback strategy and we went tie simpson sunny styles eliza sarat and a j halsey as the uh four picks that they have in the top 50 there for the jets now we are going to do one really quick where we are not taking a quarterback this will be a lot more fun okay same thing three rounder all right rumen baines off the board caleb downs off the board. Is Arville Reese the pick here? Jordan Tyson. Oh, Jordan Tyson. Do you got any second thoughts
Starting point is 01:28:16 with Arville Reese or is Jordan Tyson just the guy? No, I'm definitely, I think Arvel Reese is a unicorn and I'm absolutely considering him here. But the thought of George, if the whole idea is we're loading up for our rookie quarterback in 2007, you're telling me like a rookie quarterback gets to go play behind that offensive line throwing Garrett Wilson and Jordan Tyson.
Starting point is 01:28:37 All right. take him take jordan tyson then jordan tyson number three overall you're getting your wide receiver there very much the same looking board for us although is sunny styles gone no so sunny styles is still there we could take him we could take quincey roads as well we don't need any what could take colton hood the corner from tennessee yeah i still think they're going to, I still think they're going to like what they have a corner where they don't go this early. Okay. This early. Okay. So what do you think in here? Cade McDonald. Even with Travis Jones? Yeah, I think you say screw it. We're just bigger and stronger than
Starting point is 01:29:24 other teams. Okay. All right. So that's an option then. So Cade McDonald and Travis Jones in the middle. Damn. Okay. All right. Let's take. Let's take Cade McDonald. Damn. Okay. Is that. Germaine Johnson and Will McDonald on the outside. sonny styles is still here i don't know if he's getting out around one though yeah but i'll take all the value i can get no i know i think we could take sunny styles here but because we just took him in the past mock do you want to take cj allen yeah we could or do you want me to just you know what you know what we can we can we can make the ultimate mock you want to make the ultimate mock we'll take see we'll take sunny styles i love the ultimate mock for the graphic purpose the ultimate jets
Starting point is 01:30:09 mock the ultimate jets mock yeah we're taking sunny styles okay all right we're taking sunny styles and now you know what we're going to do are we going to take a j halsey we're going to take chris bell oh what yeah yeah we're going to take chris bell so you're just going to power slot this man and say we're putting you in space you don't have to run a damn route just run forward just freaking run man wow everyone you don't even have to play wide receiver because we have jordan tyson everybody in the chat everybody in the chat's just saying like let him cook mike is asking how about sellers here i don't know what to think of sellers i don't really want to throw him in the mock conversation and we're not drafting a quarterback obviously so i think he should
Starting point is 01:30:55 go back to school i think he's going to go back which is my whole like i think dante more has a good chance of going back. I'm trying to kind of stay true here. I know we're at a time, but I would, I would like, I will put it out there if anybody does these and wants to do their own and you start with Arvel Reese. I'm with you all the way as well. Like you can't go wrong. Because we learned from this, hey, we took Arvel Reese, but we're going to get our wide receiver later. So there's a lot of, it goes to show you how many fun pathways there are with the Jets mock drafts. So are you taking Chris Bell? Are we taking Chris Bell here? Chris Bell. Okay. All right, Chris Bell. My goodness. So for the non-quarterback mock, we got Jordan Tyson, we got Caden McDonald, we got Sonny Stiles, and we got Chris Bell. The following year, we're obviously going to draft a Renaissance man, Arch Manning, or Julian Sane, of course, to be the quarterback of this team, don't need Jeremiah Smith anymore, or do we? Screw it. Or do we?
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