NFL Stock Exchange: An NFL Draft Podcast - Grading Every 2025 NFL 1st Round Pick So Far

Episode Date: January 13, 2026

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Diesel. He looks just like Jackson, but with more protein. But just with more creatine and protein. Is Diesel his legal name? That's what's on his birth certificate. Diesel. Whiskosgood said, what a waste of a name. He hadn't played in the league yet.

Hold on. He can prove himself. Change podcast. Very fun Monday. edition of the show here for you guys. As we are, take me back to school a little bit. We are grading the rookie seasons from every first round pick in the 2025 NFL draft. Connor, we're not talking about diesel dart today, but we will talk about his brother as a first round pick in Jackson Dart, which I'm excited to get to. But hey, do it. My friend.

I'm good, man. This is a fun exercise. Not only to prepare for this show, because it really makes he'd dive into how the season went for these guys and the thought process in hindsight for the teams because it's not just about the player but what they could have done elsewhere. And, you know, we don't get to do a ton of things like this until our offseason, which is after the draft. But this is one that you feel like right as the regular season playoffs kind of begin. It's a great time. So I'm pumped for this. Justin asked in the chat, is this show pre-recorded?

Well, Justin. There you go. No, it's not. Is it look for your, is it sound? recorded. Welcome to the Thunderdome, baby. Yeah. You're stuck in it now. Also, somebody, somebody pointed out that I forgot the comb today. We're growing the hair out, folks. I almost said, I almost said, freak yeah, is what I, what I really meant. Thank you for, thank you for catching myself. Thank you for catching yourself.

This is a PG program. We're trying to, you know, we might let his slip once we get a little bit more towards the episode, but first five minutes to the show, we've been told by our producer and chef, Tyler Cook behind the scenes that just lay off it in the first five minutes, all right? We're trying to feed our families here. We're growing it out a little bit, folks. So we got to try the different hairstyles as we're growing it out. My wife probably hates it, but she also is probably not going to watch this episode. So that's the beauty of doing a podcast.

I know. I know. You'll never see it. You can say whatever jokes you want. I won't. I won't. I'm scared to compete. I'm absolutely.

terrified. Of course I could if I wanted to. I just don't want to, you know. Yeah, I'll keep them to myself. Like you said, this exercise was a lot of fun. It was a lot of fun too, because we did this in the middle of the season. We did some midway grades for as well, actually, we didn't do it for every first round pick. We actually went through a different exercise where we looked at best and worst early returns. So obviously we'll kind of check up on a couple of those being that we did the first round, because we did every single round of the draft. But this is great to get to go back and watch some film, look up some stats, some PFF numbers, all of that great stuff on all of these players. And so I think it's going to be a really fun conversation.

The way that we will do this is we'll keep it in the spirit of how we do rankings. Connor and I have not seen each other's great. So when we reveal these, it'll be the first time that we are each seeing these. We will go one through 10. We will, Connor will reveal his, I'll reveal mine. And then we'll kind of pick and choose a couple within those top 10 that we want to specifically, maybe want to talk about a little bit more. And then, of course, you guys in the chat can shout out maybe some of the grades that we have.

We would love to see some of the grades that you guys have as well. So throughout the show, please feel free to shout out these grades. And before we get into it, this is an idea. Tyler said that he, Tyler was actually the one who proposed this idea to us and we loved it. He said that he got the idea from Matthew Geist, who does a lot of really great work covering the NFL on YouTube as well. So shout it to him, growing YouTube channel. that's where Tyler got the idea from. So hopefully you don't mind that we borrowed it here

because I think this is going to be a pretty fun show. And with that, Connor, let's get into it. One through 10 of the 2025 NFL draft. The big reveal. Is this going to be like the chef just presses a button and all our grades are out? I think there is a little animation where I think all of yours will just come out at once, yes.

Okay, well, here we go. Screw it. You know, I tried to, let me walk like kind of pull back the curtain of the crowd. That was, I like that. That was cool. Look at the folks. That was really cool. I can't believe.

Ready for it? Ready for it? I can't believe how far we've come. So good. The chef is so good. You and I did make one pact before this exercise. Both Travis Hunter and Walter Nolan would get incompletes. Yes.

Because these guys just had two serious injuries to really judge. I think they both had moments in a very, very short span of time where you were like, oh, that's what we were talking about. But it's really tough. And I'll have a grade on Mikel Williams after this group where like you could have that combo. But you know, just kind of kicking it off here. I tried to not. So I see a lot of people talking about A plus in the chat.

I gave out one A plus. I didn't give out. I gave out just one. I think I gave out two. I really didn't want to. So here's the point. I, it's after one year. So I didn't give out any Fs.

And I didn't give out. more than one A plus because it's one year sample size. So I didn't skew too far away from how I felt after the draft unless they did something remarkable this year. And I tried to be a little careful with not turning this into get up or first take or whatever you want to call it where it's so extreme. Right. Now, the C for Ashton Genty, to me, that's not as much about the player is just the situation.

Like the Raiders were so far away from needing a running back with a sixth overall pick. and unfortunately that really came to pass this offseason, considering the players that went after them, because I thought Membou, Tetero and McMillan, Kelvin, Calvin Banks and Colson Loveland, all four in a row were phenomenal picks for their teams. To see the impact Tetaroa and McMillan made on the Panthers offense, all the way to a playoff run.

Colson Loveland, good timing after his playoff performance and how, right. And Banks and Membu, you might not have heard about it as much because they played tackle on losing teams. But both were tremendous, in my opinion. So, yeah, that's just a little bit of the actual process here. So, all right, we'll just go to my 10 as well. And we can see a little bit of how they differ.

So these are my grades that have here. I mentioned that I had a couple of A pluses here. We're not that different in this batch. What did you say? We're not very different in this batch. No, and I don't think that, I don't know how much different we will necessarily be for the grades themselves. But I think the reasoning for. some of these might be a little bit different. I gave Cam Ward a B. I gave Travis Hunter an incomplete grade.

Abdul Carter A minus, same as you. Will Campbell, you went with a B minus. I went with a B. I think we'll talk about, I kind of want to start with Will Campbell in a. Mason Graham, I went with a B minus. You went with a B. Janty. I gave a C plus. You gave a C. Mambu, we both gave an A. I gave an A. I gave an A. I gave a plus a Tetraim McMillian. You gave him a. Mambu, we both said a. I'm sure that we'll basically say the same things about him. Kelvin Banks, we both gave him an A and then Colson Loveland, you gave him an A and I gave him an A plus. So let's dive into, let's dive into Will Campbell first because I think a lot of people are going to want to talk about Will Campbell, specifically getting a B minus from you, a B overall grade from me. So this is the fourth overall pick. I had him as my top offensive tackle going into the NFL draft.

Did you have? I didn't rank him as a tackle. Oh, you didn't rank him as a tackle. No, I ranked him as the top guard. I have both Membu and Banks as the two first round tackles. Okay, so he plays in 13 games this year, missed a couple with injury. But overall, I thought that Will Campbell played well.

And I think that word choice is specific there. 76.6.6 overall blocking grade, 67.7 run blocking grade. And then a 76.1 PFF pass blocking grade. Connor, the reason why I ended up giving him just a B, and I think that some people will look at this and be like, well, hold on. Will Campbell was really solid. How is this anything other than an A? I think Will Campbell himself played very well this season. But in doing this exercise,

I watched the tape of Armand Membue. Right. I watched Kelvin Banks Jr. I watched Josh Connerly. And all three of those offensive tackles, am I forgetting one? Joshua Simmons. That's what I thought. Josh Simmons as well. Yeah. Well, Simmons is a little bit of a different case, which you'll get to at the end of the show. Miss time, but yeah. All three of those offensive tackles, in my opinion, very clearly,

more physically gifted to play at this level. And I thought Will Campbell played well this year, but he did still struggle to anchor quickly versus power, and you see his run blocking grades a little bit lower because he wins very, very consistently with technique, but you could just see some of the physical limitations in his tape. So a very solid offensive tackle, very solid. But the reason why I gave this a B instead of an A, Connor,

is because he's the first tackle taken. And so if I'm sort of regrading the rookie seasons and I'm watching how these other offensive tackles finished and even started the year, just their whole rookie seasons, I go, mm-hmm. maybe one of these other guys should have gone ahead of Will Campbell. So that's how I got to that B grade for him. It's nothing really against him and maybe what his realistic ceiling should have been.

I felt like I was going to see him handle power a little bit better. Maybe that's a year two or year three thing with a little bit better technique and anticipation and things like that. But watching some of those other offensive tackles, I thought they performed better than he did. And they got drafted after he did. Yeah, that's how you nailed it. You summed it up. I felt pretty good about my pre-draft take that he'd be an excellent guard and an average to an average tackle. I think he's phenomenal in the run game. I'm actually surprised at the inverse grades here.

I think he's been really, really good in the run game. And I think he's had some really tough moments in past protection. He hasn't been, you know, destroyed every game. That's not what I'm saying. And this isn't a reaction off the playoff game where now I saw some people in the chat saying like he was the highest grade of Patriot last night. I just, that's where just like I got to differ. I watched the game last night that there's just no way to me that you could say he should have been the highest graded patriot um i thought he had some tough moments in past protection last night for sure but it's bigger than that once again like he he fits the identity of what they want to do in the run game so perfectly but i just thought he also could have done that at guard and um i'm curious like he he didn't

do enough this year where you're they're not going to go into next year with him at guard like he wasn't bad enough, but like you said, you're grading this on a scale of, I thought the other tackles were better. I did. And banks, like, you could have taken banks as a left tackle. If you were so set on that Morgan Moses is your right tackle so you can't take Membo, which is, I don't know about that process because of the age, but either way, then you could have taken banks. So, yeah, it's a tricky combo that a lot of people aren't going to like because a lot of people, you know, understandably Patriots fans are really jacked up

about what they've seen from Will Campbell this year. But I just once again, think the pass protection at left tackle is shaky. I think I was higher on Will Campbell's projection to offense to tackle than you were anyways. So I think that these grades probably reflect that a little bit with you saying like, yeah, he was okay at tackle,

but I think he's a guard. I thought he was good as a rookie. And I think there is room for him to be even better with now more. and a full off season and all that in the NFL. But I did see a lot of those physical limitations that he had issues with this year. And I didn't really see that with those other guys. Like, to be honest with you, I mean, we could just bounce around it to Membu and Banks.

These dudes kicked ass, man. They were even better than I thought they would be. I thought they'd do like a lot of rookie moments because that's just life of playing tackle as in the NFL. And I was blown away by how good both were. Brother, I don't need to tell you this, but Membu's got the goods, man. He can, the way that. that he explodes out of his stance, the way that he can mirror already at the NFL level,

I mean, you could not be happier if you were the New York Jets with having Olu Foshnu at your left tackle and then this guy as your right tackle. So we thought about him as a perfect fit for the New York Jets. It absolutely was when they drafted him. And he has been every bit of what you would want from an offensive tackle. So Membu's been great. Yeah, in a very dismal season for the Jets, Membu was consistently such a bright spot. And he had some big matchups, man. Like he went up against this his intro to the NFL was against t j watt he got to go up against the browns front he had some really really good matchups ironically the only game where he ever looked human was against atlanta against james pierce which was kind of funny at the end of the game true so yeah that's how good

membo was this year that when pierce got him you're like oh man we we kind of forgot memboe who can get beat he is human and you know obviously you brought up banks and how good he's been it was once again also like a B minus and a B is not, there's going to be much worse grades than that than what we gave Campbell. This offensive line class played really well as rookies. I think, I think so too. I was as a whole really impressed by this offensive tackle class specifically, just how well all of these players have played. I think a B and a B minus going back to Will Campbell is, again, like you said,

it's fine. It's just one of those things where when you stack him getting drafted first amongst the group, versus these other ones, that's how we get to a B. I wasn't going to put him, I wasn't going to put him at anything worse than a B because I think his year has been really solid. But I also couldn't put him as an A because I thought that he was at the end of the year

had the fourth best offensive tackle tape because Connerly really struggled in the first half of the season. Tale of two totally different seasons. But Connerly was awesome at the end of the season. Crazy how different his two half of the seasons were. When we get to him, I'll look up his schedule again. But Banks has been fantastic as well. Again, another great young bookend offensive tackles with him and Talesei Fulanga in New Orleans.

I thought just both of those guys. The run blocking stuff specifically for Kelvin Banks was fantastic. I think I had, what did I have in my notes here for Banks? Oh, I didn't. Okay, I didn't write them down. but his positively graded run blocking plays were really, really impactful. I went back and I watched a bunch of those. I'm like, dude, he is blowing dudes off the ball.

He is great. I think the only issue that I really consistently saw with him this year is when he's really trying to leg drive, lock in and leg drive. He's sometimes letting guys fall off of his shoulders and get off of his blocks a little bit. But I think that can come with time and be more consistent there. Well, it goes to show you how important high-level experience. against top level competition for an offensive lineman in college.

Banks was a guy that got on campus at Texas, won the starting job right away. So he got three full years at tackle for that program and went up against high level competition. And I almost think there was some fatigue with him before the draft where people started to nitpick him a little bit. And that was a mistake. And I'm glad the Saints didn't fall into that trap

and that Banks was a top 10 pick when all of a sudden done because he justified that selection far and away. Yeah, there were some consistency issues with him. but athleticism, you never really worried about Kelvin Banks. And I think that that showed up right away in his rookie season. And I even thought that he was more consistent than what his starting point was going to be in the NFL level. So I don't think you could be anything but impressed with how he has played as a rookie. By the way, Garrett's in the chat.

Football analysis. I saw that. He said two weeks till Mobile, baby, let's go. Very exciting. See you there. Excited to see Garrett. Excited to see a lot of you guys down in Mobile for the Senior Bowl. are what two weeks away? Yeah, that's, man.

That's, uh, I believe it's a good time. One of my favorite weeks of the year. It really is. Okay, let's go back to the, the grade board. Uh, who do we want to talk about next? Oh, Mason Graham, you want to talk about Mason Graham real quick? And then I think we got about Ashen Janty a little bit. So talk to me about Mason Graham. You got him as a B. I got him as a B minus. This is somebody that we both loved in last year's class and we both have them in the B range here. What do you think?

Mason Graham is kind of the pinnacle. of just the numbers still never do him justice for what his rookie season was. He, I thought, did so much up front for the Browns this year as a rookie where, whether it was garnering attention

or cleaning up space, getting pressures that could lead to a sack for somebody else. I didn't think it was dominant rookie tape, but I thought Mason Graham was really good, honestly. And you have to factor in the Browns, you know, they traded out of

the two spot and got more capital. and took Graham at five, which looks like really, really savvy work now when they go into this draft. Because, you know, there's, we have a long way to go, but there's a world where Mason Graham's just a better pro than Travis Hunter. I'm not saying I believe that's what's going to happen. But after year one, I think you feel really, really good about Mason Graham up front for the Browns. I just want to see him be an even bigger disruptor as a pass rusher next year. Yeah, I think the big disappointing thing for me was, you see some of the run defense. grades there for him, 62.4.

I just think certainly at the beginning part of the season, less so in the second half of the season, but you definitely saw this as well. Some of those physical limitations with him just not being the biggest or the longest defensive tackle showed up when he was trying to really own the point of attack. Now, single blocks, I think he could handle very, very well. And he was even able to handle some double teams when he was in college. So I think that that could be there for him. But there were also like his worst run defense reps at Michigan,

were like, okay, he's getting blocked off the ball there. But we didn't see that a ton in my opinion. So I was hoping that we wouldn't see a ton of that at the NFL level. I didn't see a ton of that this year. But he was still getting some of the offensive line when we're getting the better of them, which you would kind of expect from a rookie year. So I thought it was fine.

I thought it was fine for a rookie year. I would have liked to see a little bit more pass rush production from him, Connor, especially since you were playing on a defensive line in which one of your teammates broke the single season sack record and got all the attention in the world. But does that work against them?

In a way? No, because I feel like the slide protection would always go away from him to where he's always getting a lot more one-on-ones. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, that's fair. I mean, I want him to be more productive, but I also think it's somewhere in the middle

where these numbers don't do them justice. Could, could, I certainly hope that that's the case. I thought it was a solid. I thought it was a solid. Solid year. So I gave it a B. Total fence riding grade. Yeah, a coward.

Coward's way out. Terrified. I don't want any responsibility for what happens to Mason Graham next year. Ash and Genty. We both have him in the C range here. And there's a lot of numbers on the screen for Genty because running backs, there's a lot of things that sort of go into what they do. We've got some common stats there with like rushing attempts, rushing yards,

all that good stuff. But we also have some PFF rushing stats, some, some receiving stats as well. You gave Gentie a C and I gave him a C plus. Talk to me about Gentie season and I think there's a lot of context that goes into it. But I don't think that that context totally absolved Gentie on what still felt like a little bit of a disappointing year. And I feel like from him getting a C, you would agree with that as well. Yeah, we had someone in the chat, insert name 5371 said good player bad pick.

I kind of where I lie, honestly. The problem is Gentie was a good player for much of this year. They drafted him to be a great player. And at running back when you're drafted this high, you are expected to be a great player right away. And I don't think Genty was great this year.

He was just good. I expected him. It's kind of a, it's tricky, right? Because the Raiders were so bad, their offensive line regressed this year. year that the opportunity and they so they didn't really get him going in the past game until the second half of the year which was bizarre because if you can't generate space at the line of scrimmage start trying to throw him the ball to get him in space to create yards after the catch

there was so many issues with the raiders it was almost difficult to evaluate him for a lot of the year but we didn't really see a lot of the big plays and the mistackles force rate where we expected it to be until the last towards the end of the year yes so that was my kind of problem with it obviously you can make an argument that a lot of players that went after Genty would have been more valuable to this Raiders roster. But I hope they get the coaching higher right and assuming with Mendoza probably under center next year and just some upgrades that we'll get to see Genti's talent shine. Yeah, I'm not even totally, I'm not even totally on the train of saying that they should have picked Banks or Membu. They should have. And I should have.

I think you can certainly make an argument, and I won't disagree with you that they should have. But my argument on the flip side is this offensive line was better the year before with the same players. And then Pete Carroll's staff came in and all of a sudden the offensive line was horrible. And they missed Colton Miller. So obviously we just got over talking about how Membu and Banks have been fantastic players. If in a vacuum you would say to yourself, well, if you have an offensive need at all whatsoever, you draft the offense or an offensive line need whatsoever, you draft the offensive line. I'm not going to disagree with you there.

But I'm also, I'm not totally willing to say that they made the wrong pick because now that the Raiders have a new staff, I need to see what this offensive line can bounce back with. They're going to make some additions anyways. But some of the usage with some of the offensive line players, I mean, Colton Millie, or not being out there was a major issue for them. Right. When he went out, I mean, they had that offensive line hit the toilet. So I'm not totally there with you yet that I am ready to say they made the wrong pick. But even with that being the case, Gentis 0.23 mistackles force per attempt, what you brought up a little earlier,

I thought that'd be higher. Me too. I was his best ability. I thought that this player on the bad offensive line plays and the good offensive line plays would have performed better. And Genti did not raise the floor of the offense as much as I thought that he could have. And he also didn't raise the ceiling as much as I thought that he could have. Might have just been a rookie year thing. Obviously, there were a lot of things not going well with the Raiders.

I'm not ready to say that they picked the wrong player yet. but I am disappointed because I felt like Gentie could have given them more this year, even with the struggling offense. People laughed at you when you took Tyler Warren to this team. People laughed at me. They booed you out of the arena. They did. They did. And now, who's laughing now?

You want to know how I got these scars? All right, what's the, we shout out to anybody else here in this top 10? I'll be quick on Abdul Carter because I saw some questions on him. the reason Abdul Carter wasn't an A is because of the off the field or facility issues, the meetings and not being a pro for some of this year. When you watch Abdul Carter, especially after Shane Bowen was fired. Yeah, like what are we supposed to do here? Abdul Carter.

Abdul Carter, yeah, this is, once again, the concept of this is grading the pick. So some of it is still your confidence in the pick going forward. I just am so confident Abdul Carter is going to be a monster next year with how he finished the season that I'm leaving in an A-minus. The Giants, you know, the Giants should have taken. I just know, this chip should have been Abdul Carter

and I think he's going to prove a lot of people right. Yeah, I agree. Like, it was a little bit of a roller coaster with Carter, but what do you, what's the regret here at this point with him at three? I think he's growing up on the fly. Yeah, I think so, I think so too. Obviously, like I said, like there have been maturity instances that have been reported throughout this season. But like, when the dude's on the field, he's unbelievable.

And the giants were in a spot where would they have liked to have picked Cam Ward? Yes, which we'll get to Jackson Dart, obviously later in the show. Would they have liked to pick Cam Ward? Sure. They weren't getting up to one. So what are you going to do? Travis Hunter's off the board. at number two, there was no one else to pick.

Nobody else that you would have picked in this class. Either you're picking this player at number three or you're trading down. That's basically it. We're getting a lot of requests for Colson Loveland. Let's talk about him and then move to the next group. Okay, sounds good. You know, you and I, I believe in the middle of the year,

we're kind of like, why did the Bears take Colson Loveland? It's got to been a roller coaster. I know you really liked him, Trevor. I had him 13th overall. so he warrants how high they took him. Well, I had him like the same. That's what I said. I said you really liked him.

Oh. I didn't memorize where you had him. No, I thought, but you said it, and then you said that you had him 13th. You might have actually had him higher than me. So I thought you were saying it as if you were going to be like, I had him 48th. No, no, no, no.

Bad, bad inflection and tone delivery. I will work on that. I haven't podcasted before, so I don't really know. know what I'm doing. Colson Loveland, man. Ben Johnson turns out knows how to use him. They got a plan for him. As Caleb's competence improved, you start to see Loveland blossom. Ungardable. Yeah, he is. He's been unguardable over the last month. My take is, and this isn't even hot at this point, he's already a top five tight end in the NFL. You have the most insane thing. You have George Kittle, which caught, man.

I know this league. Brutal. Although he went out chugging a bottle of Patron. He's a WWE character in the NFL. We absolutely respect the king. George Kittle, Trey McBride, Brock Bowers. That's right.

We're assuming Kelsey's retiring. Yeah, who's the fourth one? Oh, Tucker Kraft. Yeah, the Ice Road. Close to Loveland. that's the five. That's the five tight ends. I want to be careful.

I don't want to completely erase Tyler Warren's season. No, no, no, no. We're going to get to Tyler, we're going to get to Tyler Warren. And there's going to be an incredible amount of praise for Tyler Warren. Yeah. Colson Loveland's been on Guardable the last month in a way that even Tyler Warren at his best this year was not. And I think that Tyler Warren is, I want to be very clear right there. Like, he might be six, right?

And I don't mean for that to come off as necessarily like Tyler Warren disrespect. But I think that Colson Loveland and what he can do for your offense, the get out of trouble player that he was on third down for them, the second half player that he was for them, how he, Caleb Williams has Romo Dunzei, DJ Moore, Dawson Knox, the running backs to be able to throw to, he's got he's got the ability to move with his legs, Luther Burden's on this team, and yet Colson Lovelins to do that they go to. so many times already. And there's a reason why.

It's just because he's insanely talented. So I think if we are grading their rookie seasons, Colston Loven's an A plus to me. Yeah, like I said, I only gave out one A plus to make it special. But if I was going to give out a second one, he'd be in the conversation. Oh, N.P. saying that Brent Strange also sneaky good. Also, yeah, I mean.

Brent Strange is very good. Because he doesn't get the appreciation he deserves from what he does on the line of scrimmage. Yeah. Good take. Great take. I've never been so proud of the- Colin saying, oh, so Trevor's saying

that Tyler Warren's ass, all right. Yeah. That's exactly what you said. 100%. Yeah. Print the merch. Print the merch. Chubba-wub in a rare,

not Goatmeyer super chat. I was going to say this is a goat-mire chat. Football is better when the bears are good. I, as a totally, like, with no skin-in-the-game fan, couldn't agree more. That environment Saturday was I would have done anything to teleport there and just be in the stance.

Dude, you know what stinks is that the Pounders game versus the Rams. Yeah. Sounded like it was one of the loudest stadiums I've ever heard in my life. It was probably about 10 minutes up the street from where I was and I didn't go to the game. Should have went. I should have went 100%. By the way, Jeff's calling me out said, Cole commits now with Dawson Knox.

You're right. That's on me. I said I said Dawson Knox for who was on the bear. It's the other tight end of the bears. It's obviously, I can see like why that you mix. Yeah, right.

It's actually very funny. Thank you. Thank you. It's actually like a very funny way to mix something up. Thank you. I appreciate it. Yeah, the pounders,

the pounders were going crazy. You can say they were going to Poundown. They, they set up shop in Poundtown. They did. They absolutely did. Okay, before we get to,

uh, well, hold on, the Pounders. The Pounders. I'll give you shout out. Ted McMillan. I gave him an A plus.

you gave Mnay. You couldn't have asked for more for Tetero McVillan. Looks like a number one to me. He changed the offense for them. He completely changes the offense for them. I understand the pass rush wasn't as good as it could have been. You could have maybe gone with the pass rush here. There were a couple to be able to choose from.

The defense wasn't as good as you wanted it to be. I said this before the draft. I said it after the pick. Tetero McMillan was the guy. If he was on the board, he changes your entire offense. He's absolutely changed the offense for them. I, given the fact, that it's a regular season award, certainly. Tetroa McMillan is my rookie of the year.

I would have voted for him for rookie of the year. That's a good question. I haven't really done the exercise as a man without a vote. He's obviously very worthy of that vote. I think your twin would have been up there for me too. Shuckma. I don't know. I don't know.

Ames played would have been a problem for you. That's the problem for me. It qualifies. Yeah, but I don't care. Tethroa. Oh, you just wouldn't. He's wouldn't. Yes.

Okay. Yes. Yeah. You're nervous about the Saints next year. I get here in your voice. Yeah, terrified, especially because Tyler Shucks cool. Like, you see, I've seen some clips that he went on, I think it was the part of my take podcast. And he was just on there with them and they were like talking, they were talking about the combine throw that he had.

You remember the horrible combine throw that he had that everybody made fun of him for? It's like, okay. It's memed, oblivion. So he said. says in that podcast that it was actually like a like a like a like a like a bet that he had with one of the coaches on the field that was like hey just do like a pocket movement throw here and it was like a throwaway thing like he had already gone through the whole drill yeah and that's the one that they put on national tv and on camera that's a bad job and he's and he's like okay

he's like i i learned my lesson to never do anything like that again when there's those kinds of cameras around. The good is, like, the NFL would know that. The bad is the internet is forever. The internet is indeed forever. Yeah, that's very true. Okay, before we get to our next 10, what's this show brought to you by?

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of responsible gambling resources, say dkng.c.c.o slash audio, and this is a limited time offer. All right, Connor. I just want to make it clear. Today, we're about transparency on this podcast. No, Uncrestable today. Why?

It's just weird timing, weird day. Eating patterns are just all off. Just going to go right to dinner after this. I know. I don't even feel like myself. So if the pod stinks today, you know why, everyone. We know why. We know where to place the blame solely.

Whoever did your grocery shopping in your house. Okay, let's do it. Wife insults are going out left and right on this. Wait, okay, wait, wait, wait, take it back. I take it back. Christian, I take it back. The podcast that the wives were absolutely destroyed. Oh, boy.

We got to scrub this stream from the internet. Next group. Yeah. Hey, if Tyler Shuck couldn't get that throw scrubbed, we got no chance, brother. All right, so I got a little, I got a little spicier with this group, I think. Walter Nolan once again, incomplete as we both, we both settled on. The first one is a tough one, and Mikel Williams getting the C minus.

Because a lot of people are like, well, you're probably being harsh because he got heard and he wasn't really productive before that. I didn't like the pick to begin with. So my grade just really didn't change. Like this was probably right around when my grade would have been the day when it happened. He wasn't productive and then got hurt. So until he comes back and plays better,

it's one of my more harsh grades. Honestly, I almost, I didn't realize. I don't think I gave out any Fs or Ds. Shamar Stewart would have been the closest to get one. This is just a disaster situation for the Bengals and I hope it improves. It took him forever to get into the facility with the team working out. T. Pike saying these grades aren't harsh enough.

Yeah, you're probably right. Honestly. I want to see your grades, Trevor, and then we'll have the full, like, discourse back and forth. Okay. All right. I tried not to be too harsh, and I also tried not to be too soft on some of them. Like, Booker played better than a B.

I am aware of that. I thought Booker was great. He was great. And I was a Booker, I don't want to say it was a Booker hater. I just thought he was a second round pick. And everybody, it was like, oh, top 15 pick. He obviously gets picking the top 15. But I thought he was great this year.

Like here's my counter. This is not about the player. Booker was awesome. Booker, like he's the type of character you want there, all that. The Cowboys defense looked historically bad for a lot of this year. Oh, so you're saying you wish it was. Dude, do you tell me Jalen Walker wouldn't help them? Well, if they didn't, if they picked Jailen Walker,

they wouldn't have picked Donovan Azaraku, who's going to be better. Okay. Have you thought about that? Have you thought about that in your redraft theory? To be fair, you have just broken my theory. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's what I'm here for. That's what I'm here for.

So I love the comments. I don't even know who this one, my pet bearded dragon. Get off the podcast. C minuses insane. Which one? Which is T minuses? I think you're talking about Shamar Stewart. Oh, that should have been what?

Yeah, I, that's why I kicked off with it. This grade's probably wrong. I probably should have been much more harsh. Okay, so let's start with Shammar Stewart. Yeah, this was a disaster. Con on with the Cowards Way out. This is pathetic for me. I admit when the chat, when I've been owned.

Shemar Stewart, I gave this grade a D, one sack this season. Now, I almost gave him an incomplete, but he did play half the season. Eight games, well, close to half the season. Eight games, 280 snaps, five solo tackles, 41.0 defensive grade, 29.3 run defense grade, 56.0 pass rush grade, and then a 61.0 coverage grade.

The thing with Stewart is when you watch his tape, Connor, there are plenty of moments where you look at him and you go, this is a difference making NFL athlete. Yeah. This guy, the power that he has,

how fast he gets off the ball, the speed to power conversion, getting skinny between gaps while being that big of a player. I mean, the athlete that they have here is truly a difference-making type of a defensive lineman. The problem is he doesn't really know what he's doing. There are too many snaps that I watched of him where he's the last guy in his stance

because he's like looking around. Like he's trying to communicate with the linebacker or the other defensive linemen, but not in a good way, not in like a, hey, hey, hey, they're running this. Like, let's move this way or whatever. He's trying to figure out what gap he's supposed to be in or where he's supposed to align.

He's supposed to figure out if he's got a hand of the dirt, if he's standing up. And I think the contract dispute with him not really getting the training camp time and then him missing time due to injury, like all of that goes into it, in my opinion. He's not really shown. you any sort of pass rush moves. He's basically just a bull rush and a speed to power, a stack and shed, a push, pull, whatever you want to call it, if it's a runner pass,

type of a player. So I think that the potential that Shamar Stewart has and the reason why you drafted him in the first round, that's all still there. But if we're grading the rookie season from him, he missed time in training camp, he missed time during injury, he wasn't good on the field and he didn't really have sound showing of his assignments and what he was supposed to do. And that also gave him hesitancy and why he didn't really see a lot of production from. So I don't like giving out Fs. I thought about giving an F here because of all the context that went into it. Right. There wasn't a, because let me remember, who was picked after him? So I did, like you could have

pick Derek Harmon, which we'll talk about in a second. I had Nick Scorton ranked over him. Sure. Right, right. But like, Scorton and Nessaraku ended up going in the second round. You know what I'm saying? And they looked better. No, and I'm not trying to say that they didn't look better. I 100% agree. But it's almost like, are those guys even thought about at that pick? Because the NFL clearly just like didn't see those guys as similarly as some of these other players. But all of that is sort of the reason why, like, I could have given it an F.

But there were at least flashes of athleticism there for them where I was like, all right, I'm going to give it a D because it could still work out for them. But man, it didn't start out very well. So that's why I didn't give out grades that low because you're grading the pick and it's after one year. Yeah. So it is very tricky to. And I, this was an example of where like this was as bad as it could be. Yeah.

So it's, I think it's really fair that you gave out the D. but I still believe he could be an adequate NFL starter. I didn't want to give it an F. I didn't want to give it an F yet. If we're here at the same level a year from now, I think we're both pretty comfortably giving it an F. Some people who are saying like James Pierce, and we'll obviously talk about James Pierce,

like James Pierce was somebody that could have potentially been an option for them there if they wanted more of a speed rusher. Yes, and I think this is a fundamental issue with the Bengals right now, they don't draft that type of player. They don't draft like a much smaller speed pass rusher. They need you to play the run. By the way, it didn't go so well for Shamar Stewart.

Right, but like they don't draft that body type of a player. Exactly. Body type. We're going to be more intentional with how we do that during this draft season as well, looking at some like GM histories and tendencies of teams and things like that because you can kind of like shout to the moon about like, well, you could have picked this guy, you should have picked this guy. And in reality, like if we know the teams have thresholds,

like they're not even considering these players. So maybe they should. Right. Maybe they should be. But it's all part of the conversation here. So Stewart gets a D for me, C minus from you, although if it was in a retrospect, you would have given him an F minus.

I admit my mistakes. Let's talk about Grace Abel next. Because some Seacox fans absolutely love Grace Able, and you should. think that you should love where Grazable is going. I gave him a B. You gave him an A minus here. So you given him the higher grade,

I'll let you sort of take the floor of sort of what you thought of Grace Able here. Yeah. And this is a player that I thought was better than those grades. I think that the process, once again, like all of these grades are not just about just the player, just the team, just the slot. It's kind of, you're trying to mix in a little bit of everything here. The process of selecting Zabel is a damn good one.

Yes. This is a Seahawks team that the year before had big problems along the interior of their offensive line. And in the offseason, they went out and made a great move of getting Sam Darnold, a player that would have been catastrophic if he played behind the Seahawks line from the year before dealing with interior pressure. Like it was all about getting Sam comfortable in this offense. So you go out and you take Gray Zabel at 18, which I got to look where I had him. Like at first, like, it goes back to the Tyler Booker conversation

where you're like, oh, man, like, you know, you think of like a guard. So I'd Zabel at 26th. 18, it's like, ah, it's a little high. No. Scheme fit elite, though. Scheme fit, stability on that line. When you watch him play,

compared to the right guard from LSU. Oh my God, I know Seahawks fans can't stand them. Hold on. Give me two. seconds. Anthony Bradford. Oh, Anthony Bradford. Yeah. It's like, well, imagine, like, this is why they needed that kind of upgrade. I really, really liked his tape. I really liked his fit under Kubiak's offense and in front of Sam Darnold. And I thought this was a great pick that is going to age gracefully because Zabel is just, he's only going to get better. He's so smart. He's good enough

athlete. He's tough. He's part of the reason. One of many, many reasons to Seahawks had this kind of turn around this year. So I gave it a B. I kind of wrestled with maybe going a little bit higher with a B plus, especially because of the fact that he played left tackle at North Dakota State. And then he was moving into guard at the NFL with the Seahawks. And so with him and that transition inside, I thought he had, he had some tough games in the first half of the season. There were some games where specifically pass pro and pass pro on a whole this season, I thought his pressure percentage was a little bit higher than ideal what you would want him to be. Now, the strengths of sort of why this was a good fit for him, really good run blocking grades for outside zone,

which is what we talked about so much about him being a great scheme fit in Clint Kubiak's system and why this is really good. this is going to fit like a glove. When they ran outside zone, I think he, I think he almost had like an 80 plus rushing grade in outside zone specifically this year. So really good at what you wanted him to be really good at. But then you go towards more of the power downhill stuff. Like even inside zone, his run blocking grades weren't as effective there. So I think he's a great building block for this offensive line. I think as they continue to get an upgrade at center and the other guard, he could be part of one of the better offensive lines in the NFL. But I went like B, B plus for him because I thought he could improve a little bit more in past protection. And I felt like between the tackles, he could have been more

of an impactful run blocker. But man, the strengths of, again, what we talked about him pre-draft, what he could do for the Seahawks, I did think that he did that very well. So I think it was a successful rookie season for him, a solid rookie season. And I think that he could absolutely continue to get better as the years go on. Let's go back to the board here. I'm sure there's one or two more kind of interesting ones. Yeah. Jalen Walker was great, man.

Jaylon Walker was really, really good. They played him on the edge. Like there was no like, oh, we're going to kind of be cute and he's going to play all these, these, you know, he's a jack of all. They put him on the edge and brother, he's a great run defender. He, oh, let me say this watching. This was such an interesting exercise because it was like the biggest tape crunch I've done in a while.

Where we're watching position rankings for the players, it's like over a long span of time, your ranking tight ends. Or this to me was some guys I didn't get to see enough of. It's like, okay, let's watch as much film of. And Jalen Walker, who the Falcons played the Jets this year. But besides that, I really wanted to see like the end zone angles of his all 22. He crashed down against pulling guards as aggressive as any player in the NFL.

Yeah, yeah. I was like, this guy has zero fear of the car crash against guys. a hundred pounds bigger than him. Yeah. Jalen Walker's funny, right? Because you watch him at Georgia and you go, okay, you don't really do the coverage and movement things that you really want to see from an NFL offball linebacker.

And you don't really have pass rush moves as an edge rusher. But as a QB spy, as a looper on stunt plays, and as a crasher against pulling anything, split zone, pulling tight ends, pulling guards, whatever. Those three things, you do at an insanely elite level. And I think that he continued to do that in the NFL. And, man, dude, I really loved his, I really loved his hand usage specifically, again, in run defense.

There were so many times where if he was matched up against a tight end, one-on-one, brother, the hands were up inside, violent quick. He would hit you in the chest, arms get fully extended, boom, he's discarding you to the side very quickly for a lot of tight ends in this league. And then if you watched him take on tackles or, again, pulling guards or whatever, and he realized that he wasn't going to be able to kind of stack and shed at that spot, dude, he would get off the block. Like, he would very quickly recognize that, regalgae.

his feet and then just immediately like slip the block with a rip move or something. I was really impressed by his hands. The pass rush is still something that, okay, like let's see a little bit more for him next year. But man, the run defense stuff. And you mentioned he played strong as an ox this year. So I really enjoyed watching Jalen Walker's tape. Okay.

Next up, I do. The one that was kind of hard to figure out. Yeah. Was Jada Baron for me? Yeah. So the Broncos are, whether you agree or not, I'll get everyone out there. There's a lot of discourse about them. They're the number one seed.

They're a Super Bowl contender this year. Right. And it feels like a pick that might be more about next year. Oh, for sure. So it's hard to kind of quantify because he didn't play a lot for them this year compared to the rest of the rookie class. I don't think he's a bad player. But for a team that's a Super Bowl contender,

it feels very strange. So I gave it a C plus because it's not a lot to work with this year. And I don't really get the process because I thought when they took them, they had a big plan for him. And they clearly didn't really need a, felt like they needed a ton from him this year. But I still believe in the player individually. Yeah, I do too.

And he was a really good run defender. I mean, his coverage stuff was a little bit up and down. But when you have such a small sample size as a coverage player, like those grades are really going to be harsh on you because it's hard to accumulate. a lot of snaps where you are neutral or slightly above as a coverage player that compound, which give you a good coverage grade just because over time, people aren't throwing at you a ton, you're not giving up a lot of catches. He just had a small sample size there.

So they were also playing him a little bit inside and out. I think he'll be totally fine. I gave him a B minus. It wasn't a super impactful year. But when he was out there, again, like I liked him as a run defender. So a little bit less than I thought that he would play. but he was. His was a little bit confusing, and I think that it was a little bit more about the future. Chat's asking about Tyler Warren. So both of us gave an A to Tyler Warren. I gave an A, you gave an A minus,

just an all-around badass, man. I thought that certainly through the first eight games of the season when the Colts were seven and one, I mean, it was a big part of their offense. They were playing him in line. They were playing him as a wingback. They played him as a fullback. They played him at Wildcat. They'd play him in the slot. They played him as an ex-receiver. I mean, Tyler Warren, in no way, shape, or form. I think is there any regret about what's going on here? And to be honest with you, I don't even think it's really this. Oh, who would you have rather had it, tight end, this or that? Tyler Warren landed in the perfect spot in Shane Steichen's offense with the Colts.

And I think that Colson Lovin landed in the perfect spot. Yes. It's more of a big receiver for Ben Johnson. I think both of these guys landed in the exact spots that they should have. Tyler Warren is going to be a stud and a because the chat loves this, change the math and change the scheme type of a player for the Colts offense moving forward. So I gave this an A. I love what I've seen from Tyler Warren this year.

I gave it an A minus. I'm with you all the way. It was cool to see Stuyken when they were really rolling the first half of the year. Use them literally everywhere on offense. You know, obviously this was a team that had a tough second half of the year. That wasn't his fault by any stretch of the means with all the injuries they had and just the problems they ran into. But getting Warren at 14, I thought was great value and they had a great plan for him. And I really, really love this pick.

It's, you know, the tough part for the. The Colts now is that they have to figure out without first round picks to follow the next two years is they got to find a way to add more pass rush to this team. If you want to. Tyler, he might be playing with his hand in the dirt. He might be playing with his hand in the dirt, but a great rookie season for Tyler Warren. Colin said Tyler Warren's the Tom Brady of Taysom Hills. Is that what you're saying? It's not the craziest thing.

Yeah, it's not. I don't hate where we're going. It's the ones that make you think. Yeah, that's not bad. That's not bad. Let's see. Last one or two here that we had back on the board. I can be quick with a couple of these. Okay.

you gave him an A-mi-s. I gave him a B-plus. An incredible start to the season. He just kind of, his chemistry with Baker-Mayfield fell off a little bit. When the other wide receiver started to get in there, I felt like they, they just moved them around a little bit. And he just wasn't quite as effective. I don't, I saw Peter say this in the chat a little bit earlier. I don't quite think it's a falloff, like, because he was talking about, he's like, man, we got to talk about the fall off on a Mecabuca. I wouldn't call it a fall off necessarily. I think overall, Baker Mayfield really struggled. But I do think that Emeka Buka started out hot. And then NFL teams were like, oh, he's not a regular rookie. And they just, they treated him with a lot more respect. And I think as Tampa's offense overall really struggled, a Bucca's production just was not quite there for them.

So still somebody who is a difference making NFL talent, no doubt about it. But he just cooled down at the end. So B plus, I think, especially, I couldn't give this an A because for as much as I think he is talented and it would be great for this team moving forward and was good at the beginning of the season. Pass rush sucked. Pass rush sucked. Defense sucked.

It was bad. That's fair. When you make this pick, it's a complete luxury because you think that the defense is going to be a lot better than what it actually was. so I couldn't give this one an A because of that. I think that's fair process. I just like the player so much. And with all their injuries to their veteran wide receivers this year,

it was like, actually, they did need them. So, yeah, I like a Buka a lot. I think they got good value with him. And hopefully with a healthy baker, he gets back to being the player we saw for the first half of the year. Somebody saying, Trevor, you're worried about the drops. I'm really not. I'm really not.

I wasn't really worried about it when I was watching his table. at Ohio State. I think he's a natural hands catcher. Drops are, as the great Matt Harmon would say, something that's going to come and go. Like it happens with every wide receiver. And you also just, for some guys, some guys if they're not natural hands catchers, like, yeah, it could be a major issue. But for guys that you know are really good past catchers, drops are unfortunately

just something that you sometimes have to live with, but you trust the talent of them. Being to saying threat percentage, is you tanking a raid? No, for those of you that don't have PFF plus subscriptions. A threat percentage is essentially wide receiver usage. How often are you targeted for the for the routes that you are running for so like how much how much you are out there on the field. So that's a good way. And so a little bit of a reference. High 20s threat percentage is usually like wide receiver one stuff. High like low 30s is like Jamar Chase Justin Jefferson CD Lamb type of stuff. So that's normally and a lot of the good receivers, the consistent receivers,

the wide receiver 2 is there somewhere around like 20 to 25%. So that's sort of where a Buka is there. Tyler Booker, so the one thing about Tyler Booker that I do want to say before we move on is he was a really good past protector when he was at Alabama. And he was actually better as a run blocker this year, which for how consistent he was as a past blocker makes me think, oh, okay, now you're a people mover in the NFL. the pass rush stuff's going to come back next year. So I was very, very happy to see that Tyler Booker was a grading highly in a way that I didn't expect from him in his rookie season. So I thought he was great in that area. And it goes to show you how you could benefit on a good run blocking unit.

And that's exactly. Dallas. Really good run blocking. The coaching and chemistry and cohesiveness together as a run blocking unit was really, really a pleasure to watch this year. Booker able to play outside of the phone booth. I don't know about that. He's still starring in the movie. Phone booth. It's still him.

The sniper still aimed at him. And he's like, if you get out of that phone booth, I swear, I swear, I swear. The last step you'll ever take. Tyler Booker. Tyler. More like Pounder Pounder. Oh, man. We got a lot of requests.

We should talk Kenneth Grant quickly. Okay. All right. Kenneth Grant. You gave me B minus, I gave him a C minus. I know the grades weren't pretty. I thought he played a lot better in December, a lot better in December. Like it was really ugly for a while, but I thought he turned the corner enough on a team that went through some weird ups and downs this year in Miami.

He turned the corner enough that I didn't kill this pick with the grade. The end of the year was promising. But it wasn't what you exceed. The problem with Kenneth Grant, like to your grade of being in the Cs, he, there are, going to be a lot of players taken after him that were simply just better picks. That's that's why I kept it in the C minus range. So run defense grade of 60.6 from week six on. So the first five weeks to the season really, really bad from him.

He had, and from week six on, 15% positively graded run block or run defense plays and negatively graded run, run defense plays. So very even. So a neutral grade, right? around 60.6 for the second half of this. Actually, not second half of the season, week six on. And he was very even. He was a solid defensive lineman. It was a 27.8 run defense grade through the first five weeks of the season. And he had a negative, no, he had a 32.9 percent negatively graded run defense plays. I think the hands have to be more active for him. He has to be able to

disengage faster, even for the better tape that we saw in the second half of the season. and down that last month, like you were mentioning, the hands have to be so much better for him. And the reason why this was still a C for me is Walter Nolan looked incredible. Derek Harmon was a beast of a run defender, which we'll get to in a second. Tileak Williams, I even think had a great second half of the season. You know, like players like that who, when Grant gets drafted 13th overall, it was good to see him bounce back from a tough start,

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Yep, fire away. Let's see that beautiful animation one more time. This was the A lot of meat and potatoes style drafting. All right. Like Derek Harmon, Donovan Jackson. Oh, you gave Jackson Darden A plus.

My A plus was Jackson Dart. Whoa! Because part of this to me was also processed. James Pierce is probably an A player. It costs, in hindsight, an absurd amount to get James Pierce. It costs almost nothing to go back in and get a franchise quarterback. Jackson Dart was great this year. I mean.

Yeah. I mean. No Malik neighbors. I mean. Eventually no Cam Scatibu. I mean. A B plus. I mean.

B plus. Yes. All right. Why do you hate him? I hate him because the way that he played in the pocket this year is not sustainable. Man, I saw enough considering what they had. So, so I almost went with an A minus with Jackson Dart. Full transparency there. Because of sort of what you said, the process of how we are getting Jackson Dart on the team,

the fact that if you have a franchise quarterback that you just drafted at, was he 26, 26 overall, whatever it was, that's obviously a huge win for you. So do you even have hope in a quarterback, I could have, maybe I should have given this an A-minus. Obviously, the rushing ability that he is able to bring as an athlete is great, although the concussions also kind of go into that with me, because is that something that is sustainable for him in the future? I don't know how much credit I want to give him for a part of his game

that you can't actually lean on and is sustainable. The good news is back Jackson Dart. he showed that he is a starting caliber NFL athlete and has starting caliber NFL arm talent. Both of those things very true for him in his tape. Now, when I watched him as a pure pocket passer, there are a lot of times that he is still locked in to vertical routes. He just wants to hit deep passes. And he had a lot of really dangerous throws.

He had more big time throws than he had turnover worthy play. So I want to give him credit there. I don't want to be too harsh on him. But a lot of the bad throws for him, I don't think he paid for. They were turnover-worthy plays, but they weren't actually turnovers. And I'm like, man, you're either setting your wide receiver up to take a huge hit here or you're putting the ball in a lot of harm's way because he didn't really read the safeties consistently well, in my opinion.

He was looking at tight coverage and playing as if it was college. And I just think that there's a chance that next year he, he pays for that a lot more than he did this year. So B plus A minus, that's where I was with Jackson Dart. I think that he struggled. His issues as a passer worry me long term and his concussions worry me long term. I think that's fair. However, like you mentioned, how you got him on the team might make this an A minus at

worst so I could understand where the logic was in that conversation. Just factoring in the value and the maneuvering and what he did with not a lot this year. I mean, just not much. Got helped get Wondell Robinson over 1,000 yards. It's true. Paging in the chat said, imagine if his name was Diesel. I didn't. I saw somebody call his brother Bart Dart.

Bart Dark. I'll find it to credit them because it made me laugh when you were talking, but I didn't want to laugh over you talking. Bart Darch is insane. It was absolutely nuts. Oh, man. I don't know if I'll be able to find it. Jack's saying he had one concussion. He had one concussion this year?

Yeah, he just owed rent from the blue tent for how many times they sent him there. Okay, okay, all right, all right, okay, all right. So, all right, forgive me because he was in the blue tent for taking massive hits second half of the season. Yeah, no, the things to watch with Dard are absolutely, like, what you out, in his style of play and the concussions. But, and I love the people that were like,

this is New York bias. Do you guys realize Jets fans do not like the Giants? Like, that's, I, this is the funniest part about this grade. I didn't love Jackson Dart as a prospect. Really didn't. No, I didn't either. I grew up a Jets fan. We don't love the Giants.

I gave this an A plus. So that's how I want to show, honestly, how impressed I was with how little he had this year. And if they can, well, he has to keep himself healthy on top of them helping him stay healthy. But man, you get like another receiver, healthy Malik, healthy scataboo, better coaching. I think we'll look back and be like, man, that was savvy the way they drafted Dart. And Brian Daibel deserves a lot of credit for that. Okay.

Was there anybody else that? Yeah. Well, I'm talking about James Pierce. Yeah, because people are going to hate this grade. I can't emphasize enough. It's not about the player. It's about the process. Pierce's years a little weird because he had 10-napp sacks,

which is like, wow, the reason the pass rush grade there is only a 64.2, he didn't actually generate a ton of pressure per pass rush snap. I think he only had a 10.2 pass-rish winters. That's correct. Crazy. But sacks are a skill, and he deserves credit for that. But obviously, there is part of him where he needs, he'll need to round out his game. They paid an enormous price to go get him, which could look fine.

because of he had some real past rush moments where you're like, wow. Right. James Pierce on an island is just going to be so hard to block. Yep. So the player to me is an A. The process to me was more of a C and I landed at a B. Yeah. So I gave them an A minus.

Obviously like how how they got to this pick goes into it. But I'm a little tired of talking about that at this point because I just kind of wanted to evaluate the player for what he was. Yeah, that's fair. And he had 10.5 sacks. He only had 10% passers win percentage. But a lot of his most productive plays are like truly difference making NFL athleticism.

That's right. That's right. So when I thought about it, sort of similarly to the way that you had talked about Jackson Dart, to get that player at the back end of the first round, I think is really, really nice. Now, did they give up too much to go do it? Yeah, they did. But to even get that caliber of a pass rusher who is that good of a speed rusher for you at the back end of the first round, I think is really nice. And I do think I'm a James Pierce guy. I like James Pierce a good amount going into the draft. So I kind of believe that that passers win percentage is going to go up next year. I think that

he's going to get more savvy with how he uses his speed. He's going to get more moves. He's going to be able to counter a little bit better. I think the run defense grades are always going to be low for him. That's just not really his game. He's not really a set the edge type of a player. He was a little bit when he was at college, but it was always going to be a different beast in the NFL. But I think he'll play with even more confidence next year. And obviously, it'll be a new coaching staff. So I guess we'll see who's coaching him and how they're going to deploy him. But I just watch too many reps where I go, man, that's difference making athleticism. Like you are, you might not be winning this pastoral rep, but you are affecting the pocket here. You are closing

the pocket up and you are making the quarterback move off of his spot. So I like the James Pierce year. I really did. Even though the win percentage was low, I thought the flashes for him were really high. I know people really want to hear Connerly, which we will. Yeah, we can get to Connerly. I want to see where our biggest disparity is on grades. Okay, I guess it is Connerly, who I.

Okay, you gave him a B minus and I gave him an A. So clearly you just valued the second half of the year. So I'll tell you why. Which is fine. I just did the whole year and the first half of the year was bad and the second half of the year was very good. And let's say you get a B minus. And I was very high on this player before the draft. You were.

You were higher on him than me. Just because he needs to get stronger and you're going to see that over time as a pro. And he's going to settle in really, really nicely for this team. So I'll tell you why I sort of chewed away the first. half of the season. He playing right tackle for the first time this year. He played left tackle when he was Oregon. And running back. And running back. So he, so he moved to the complete opposite side of the line. And I think that's where a lot of his issues stemmed from. And when he got confidence in playing that right side of the line for Washington, I think that's when you saw, dude, he,

he had some plays. I can't remember what games it was, but he had some plays where he was mirroring a pass rusher like a four or five year NFL vet. He looked. There's there's some tape from him in the second half of the season, the last month of the season where Connerly looks excellent. So that was really why I was like, I can totally, if you are taking first and second half of the season, I can totally understand how you got to your grade there. I just went a little bit lighter on criticism on the first half of the season, given the fact that he switched from left to right tackle, he was going through those growing pains. And in the second half of the year, he just shines so bright.

I was so, so impressed with him. Yeah, he's a classic case of, like, the arrow is really pointing up with the momentum he gained from the second half of the season to close out the actual year. Yeah. I thought, dude, I actually thought, I thought Membu was the best offensive tackle from this year. and I thought Connerley was the second best.

I would give Banks the edge over him, but I get why it's a conversation. Yeah, yeah. Last month of the season, I just, I was so impressed with Connerley. Well, it gives you a lot of hope for what they can put in front of Jaden Daniels

going into next year after a disappointing year. A lot of people were wanting us to talk about Matthew Golden. C plus to me was a hard one. Was the grade that I had. It's, yeah, I mean, you gave him a C.

They just didn't really use them. Nope. And they did like, kind of early on in the year. If I remember correctly, when the season was on the line. Our lives are on the line. Wait, we took Matthew Golden in the first round. Screen out.

We need him to win the game. Oh my God, you mean, that's the same guy? How did no one tell us that we took Matthew Golden in the first round? What the hell? Have you seen that Jason Williams clip on TikTok where, he's on a podcast and he's like, yeah, I was coaching some like charity like AAU tournament or whatever. And he's like, he's like, I had Anthony Edwards on my team. And he's like, I didn't know who Anthony Edwards was.

I was doing this for charity. I don't know who any of these kids were. And he's like, we start the game. Ball tips off a couple seconds going into the play. The director of the whole tournament comes up and taps me on the shoulder. And he's like, why is aunt not in the game? And I look at him, I go, who's aunt? I don't know.

Should he be? And he's like, yeah, he's the number one player. in the country. Jason Williams goes, I immediately go, time out, time out. And he's like, he's like, aunt, you're in. And he's like, who am I taking out, coach? He's like, I don't care, pick one of them. And like, that was the, that was like the, that was like the we discovered Matthew Golden thing. It's like, wait a second, time out. We got this guy put him on the field, elite receiving grade that he had in the playoff game, albeit in a loss to the Chicago Bears. I think Matthew's Golden's going to be totally fine. C plus is much more of a usage thing than

a Matthew Golden thing. I think he's a really talented, wide receiver. he's going to be great for them in the future. It was just really weird. This is much more of an indictment on the Packers' offense and his usage than it is Matthew Gold. I don't think that he is like a C-plus type of a player. I just was very perplexed on why he was not on the field. Yeah, it's a tough one to figure out.

It was not a good rookie season for some things out of his control, but also you do earn playing time and targets. And clearly the Packers who are a pretty smart organization, I don't think they were trying to show them tough love or anything. And so that, Jaden Reed got hurt week one. Christian Watson wasn't healthy to start the year. Like there was a lot of times they needed Matthew Golden. So, yeah, hopefully much better in year two.

My pet in the chat said Luther Bird and clears. I mean, it's kind of looking that way already. Did you have burden ahead of golden or did you have Golden ahead of burden? Let me see. I don't think so. I don't think I did. I had no. I had burden right behind Golden, but I had Jaden Higgins over Golden.

Who was better? Yeah, I mean, that pick would be an A. Yeah, Jane Higgins would have been sick for Green Bay. Yeah, truly. What are you going to do? Yeah, our grades match up for Donovan Jackson I'd like to talk about at some point, but we'll go, we'll go Derek Carmen, because I know Steelers fans are super excited about what this guy does for their front, and they should be. Yeah, I just thought I thought he was a really good run defender.

I know the run defense grades are on there were inconsistent for him. But when he was in there versus when he wasn't, I think the Steelers defense overall was just a much better run defense unit. So Hank Harmon was really nice as a run defender. And to be honest with you, I wasn't so sure if he was going to remain a good run defender when he got to the NFL because I felt like he was a really nice first step, sort of like attacking one gap style type of a defensive tackle when he was. was at Oregon. And him being a little bit more stout in the run game this year was really great to see. So I thought the Steelers were just a better run defense team when he was out there. So I thought Derek Harmon had a solid season.

Yeah, he did. Once again, like just a, and that's kind of the Steelers at Mo when you look at a lot of their picks over the years. They, like it's not a lot of A pluses in the first round, but they don't miss big, right? Like you think of Fattano, um, yeah, this is,

Harmon, and they are a much different team against the run when he is on the field. There's just no denying that. Malachi Starks, I gave, what did I give a B plus? I think you gave him a B plus. You gave him a B. It was a little shaky for him to start the year. Right, really turn the corner.

And I do also think that him turning the corner and becoming a much more reliable player is what gave them the flexibility to move Kyle Hamilton around the defense as much as they did to really solve a lot of those problems. So that's why I gave him even a little bit more of a bump because of how much he meant to that defense once he really started to get it going. Yep. One of those guys that the product to start the year

versus how he finished the year was much, much different. I thought he would kind of come out and have an impact right away, and maybe that's on me. And he had some rookie moments. But once again, this is a player that really turned the corner down the stretch for this defense. And he'll be a staple of their back end for a while. Okay.

You said Donovan Jackson? You want to talk about? Yeah, I thought Donovan Jackson was really good for the Vikings this year. And in a disappointing year for them, I think he'll be kind of a stalwart on their offensive line. And I did factor in a little bit that he was playing with a broken wrist, which is. Oh, was he playing? I really wrist. I feel like one of his teammates let that out of the bag with him.

And I was like, man, he was really good. And, okay, a little bias is a player that I definitely loved before the draft. Yeah. But if that's him with a broken wrist, this guy could be one of the better guards in the NFL when he's healthy. Okay, if he had a broken wrist, that changes things a little bit for me. I wasn't always the biggest Donovan Jackson fan. I thought he had really good movement skills, really good finesse game for his own blocking schemes. But I was always a little bit concerned with him in the power blocking game and just overall strength. And when I went back and I watched a handful of games from him this year, that's still where I saw him struggle. So he was still solid. Like I thought he was like C plus B minus. type of range. I thought he was okay. But if he was playing with an injury, like that would impact

I think some of the issues that I would have had. This was Brian O'Neill after the, like in his one of his media availability is to end the year. He said played with a on Donovan Jackson, played with a broken wrist since week three and played on a hard cast for the rest of the year on his hand. He's a pro. There's not many rookies that come in that way. Okay. All right. So knowing, Knowing this, I'd bump this grade higher. I would bump this great higher. Because again, the issues that I had for him were maintaining blocks and consistently being able to drive players without sort of like breaking grip and breaking control.

And when you have a broken wrist and a cast that you're playing with, that absolutely goes into how effective you're going to be in that regard. And I think that he struggled a little bit with anchoring with power. But I thought he did that with a little bit at Ohio. state. So it's not like the tiger was going to change his stripes totally at the NFL level. So I already kind of knew that was coming. That wasn't really new to me. But him playing with the wrist injury, I'd move this up then. I would move this up. I wouldn't give this a C plus now knowing that. We will talk about Cam Ward to end the show because I know we didn't talk about him

a lot. It's all I've seen in the chat. Ty Leak, hey, let's let's, I want to shout out Ty Lake really quick because he was my worst return for a first round player through the first half of the season. And now I have him with a B minus, which is similar to what you have him as. So when you looked at the first half of the season, 57.3 overall grade, 44.8 run defense grade and a 64.6 pass rush grade through the first half of the season. I thought he was far too easily moved. I thought certainly any time he was not taking on an offensive lineman head up,

moving him laterally at all whatsoever, he really struggled to anchor and regain control. and there were some bad plays where he was just getting totally blown off the ball in that first half of the season. Second half of the season, 69.5 overall defensive grade, 62.3 run defense grade at a 70.7 pass rush grade. He was so much quicker to deconstruct blocks and he was much more aggressive as a one gap penetrating interior defensive lineman, which I didn't really think that that was going to be a big part of his. his game watching him at Ohio State and the reason why I felt like the Detroit Lions would have drafted him. But as a quick penetrating player, man, I mean, his first step was nice.

And he was starting to get pretty shifty and comfortable and confident shooting those gaps in between the center and the guard wherever he was lined up. So I really like the second half of the season for him. Like I said, I didn't love the first half from Tileak Williams, but the second half, I was much more encouraged. So gave this one a B-minus in the end. Yeah, that's how I felt about him all long. You know, he brings the beef up front. He obviously is somebody that can, when he's on his game, can bring a lot of strength to hold the point of attack against the run. And I thought there was some positive pass rush moments I saw as a pro that I didn't really see a lot as a prospect. So hopefully he continues

on that pathway as well. Really quickly, I think that Maxwell Harrison was good, just hurt. I think that he'll be a future starting cornerbacks with him. You mentioned you have this as well as a B minus. B minus a little bias of me. Like I typically don't love small corners. So then when the small corner is hurt a lot, it's like I did tax them for that. Because I think when he played,

you see his speed, you see his ball skills. The bills needed both of those things in a secondary that was starting to get old. There's no denying that. But just once again, I don't typically, unless they're a real difference maker, like an insane, like they're just,

they play bigger than their size and they're, I don't typically rank smaller corners very highly. And it's a little, it's a little concerning that he's already been banged up a couple times, but obviously the guy can play when he's available. Jod Campbell, again, really quickly for the Eagles, we're going to get to Josh Simmons inside. I see people blowing up the chat with Josh Simmons.

I'll talk about him in a second. I see chat today. So John Campbell, A minus. Like I think that this guy's, the only reason why it's not a straight A is because he just didn't play a lot. But this is a lot like the Jad A Barron conversation where it was like this is kind of a get ahead of it pick. And Jihad Campbell played so well this year. I mean, dude, he had a 78.6 coverage grade this season. He was a weapon for them.

He's so awesome. He gives them full confidence to let Nkobie D. walk and they don't have to pay another linebacker because they just paid Zach Bonn. So A minus for me simply because he just didn't play as much as I feel like he probably could have. But in all reality, like this could have very well been in a being getting a player of this caliber this late in the draft. Yeah, I'm sure he'll get the show even more next year. And this will kind of look more of an A. The value was insane for the Eagles.

And if depending on how free agency goes, they might need him to take on a much bigger role next year. So for Josh Simmons, he was off to like a Pro Bowl type of year to start the season. They got hurt, and then he had some time where he had to step away for some mental health reasons. It came back and he wasn't as good for the final three games of the season, but it might have been playing a little bit banged up still there. But he got, he got a season-ending injury, didn't he? When did he get hurt? I thought it was week 13.

Yeah, he had a wrist injury where he missed the end of the year. That was it. I'm getting that mixed up. But you're talking about when he came back from a personal matter. Yes. And then he had a season-ending injury. And then he played the three games and then he had the wrist injury for him. So he wasn't as dominant when he came back from his leave.

And then obviously he has the wrist injury to him as well. So a little bit of an incomplete grade there for him. But beginning of the season, I mean, he looked phenomenal. And I'm a huge Josh Simmons guy. I really loved him coming out of Ohio State. I thought he was going to be a stud. I gave him a B plus simply because it was a tale of, okay, you were really good at the beginning of the season,

but it's a small sample size. you were then away from the team for a month, you come back and you weren't as dominant as you were before, and then you get a wrist injury. So I felt like B plus for as little of games as we got from him with the ups and the downs. I feel like that's very solid, not really an indictment on what I think he could be.

I think that no, like I said pre-draft. Like I think this guy has starting offensive tackle talent. I think that he could be a stud. And getting him at 32, obviously, is extremely valuable. but his year was just a little bit of a roller coaster in a handful of ways. So I felt like B plus was pretty fair for Josh Simmons rookie season. This is one where we saw exactly the same way. Because if you just evaluate the value of when he plays, it's an A.

But that's not, the draft isn't that simple. The questions and why Josh Simmons wasn't a top 10 to 15 pick, why he was in end of first round pick, is availability. And hopefully he's somebody that can stay healthy and on the field for full seasons for the Chiefs

and then this looks like an A-pig. But he's got to, so I like the talent and the player and what we saw. But once again, Trevor, it's like a team got a player at a discount. And then the reasons they got him at that discount

was exactly what you feared. Why you got him at the discount. And then you saw that for half year you saw the talent that he is, which is like almost like an all pro gifted level guy. But you also saw why he felt to you then. So that's why it's a B and a B plus for you. I got a refurbished TV like five years ago. And it was something where like the the, like the home screen processing, you know how like TV is now like they obviously have like the home screen where you can pull up a bunch of different apps and everything. And like that was what was defective for it. Now they they took it back and

they fixed it everything, but I got it for $1,000 cheaper than what it normally is. So I got it. But now the home screen is unbelievably slow and it's a pain to be able to use. So this is kind of the example there, right? I got the TV for a discounted price where there's a reason why I got it for the discounted price. Obviously, we hope that Josh Simmons comes back fully healthy next season, never misses a single game throughout the rest of his NFL career because if he does, boy, I think he is a hell

of a football player and he can be a great asset for Patrick Holmes and that offense. Are we ending with, are we ending with Cam Ward? Josh, Josh, re-gurbished TV Simmons. Oh, man. Certified pre-owned. Hey. Oh, man, these are. Still works, baby.

Cam Ward. Cam Ward. Cam Ward, I gave a B-plus. Cam Ward's last four games in the year, I believe it was. or he threw eight touchdowns or before he got hurt the final game that I didn't count that I was like this is the Cam Ward

the confident passing Cam Ward it's just man like you watch this team for a lot of the year coach gets fired early not a lot of talent for him to work with in the skilled groups it's tough to

I'm just as confident that Cam Ward is going to be as good as I thought he'd be where I ranked him it's just it's a tough like stance to have for most of what we got to watch this year of the Tennessee offense sure yeah I gave him a B and the big reason why I gave Cam Ward a B is because a big issue that I had with him was turnover where the plays specifically fumbles coming into his NFL career Conner he had 11 fumbles this year it's a great call out because it's got to he's got like that's the thing it's like I need you to take care of the football

Yeah, is this just who you are and we have to live with those lows? That was the biggest issue for me is, is in a year where you weren't really going to learn a lot about the Titans and Cam Ward, I would have liked to see you take care of the football. Now, and like from an interception standpoint, some people could have pushed back and been like, well, what do you, he's got to push the ball down the field. They've got to try to win football games.

I don't even care about the interceptions, really. I care about the fumbles. 11 fumbles this year, we got to clean that up. That's the big issue to me is really like that was a huge issue for me going into the NFL. That was still an issue in his rookie year. Overall, like you mentioned, very hard to judge Cam Ward's rookie season because of everything that went on around him. The offensive line wasn't great. The running game was pretty elemic until the last, what, six games of the season,

didn't really have great players to throw to all due respect to Gator, great shimmerade D.K. And Elkayo Maynor friend of the pod. Special teams all pro? D.K. Yeah, baby. he was. Hell yeah, he was. Amazing.

So that's why, like, a beat grade for me, but I would. Chats out of pocket. I'm not, I'm not, I'm not reading it. I'm not reading it.

You saw it. I didn't actually. I didn't see it. Is it Cam Ward's the Mike Evans of Zach Wilson's? No, it's about J.C. Latham, and I'm not, I'm not advocating.

Oh, yeah, no, no, no. I can't read that. I can't read that. But sometimes I gravitate towards the chat to make sure we didn't miss a player. It's a great chat, by the way. It's a great chat. We just can't flash it on the screen. Kids watch the show.

Yes, this is actually a kid's show. But go pounders. Okay, so I think that wraps it up, right? That's all 32. That's all we got here, folks. Stick around for a second. And the after the episode portion of the show, we'll go through all your super chats. We see all the super chats that you guys have there.

So we'll run through a bunch of those here at the end of the episode. But before we get to that little housekeeping, if you guys want to follow the show at NFLSC show on basically every social media platform, I'm at Tampa Bay Trey, he's at Connor J. Rogers. We love for you guys to get in on the Discord with us. It's so much fun. Talk about everything in there. You know, watching live games with everybody.

We've got team-specific channels in there where you guys can talk about team building and the things that need to get better for your specific NFL team. We love dropping into those chats as well. It's always a good time. So come hang out with this over there. Like we said, at the middle of the show, If you guys have watched this show, you've enjoyed it, or if you enjoyed anything that we have done,

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Maybe we'll kind of do a couple of redrafts this summer or something along the line of that. I like that idea. I like that idea. Who do you guys got for tonight's game? I had Texans win Steelers cover. I think the Steelers win. I mean, I think the Steelers win.

It's a three point line. Nothing crazy. Steelers at home. Steelers, what, I saw 23 and 1 in their last 24 on Monday night games. Is that not? Wait, what was it?

Steelers in their last 24 Monday games are 23 and 1. And the loss was the COVID year that they had to move the game to like 5 p.m. So they haven't actually lost a real, Monday night primetime game since 1991 against the Giants. It's like an unfathomable stat, yeah. Brother, the Tampa Bay Buccaneers have existed since 1976.

I bet they've got half that. Half the wins. I'm not even, I'm not ducking into the Jets territory. I'm not. It's a smart man. That's a smart man. Knows how to protect his mental. All right. If you're watching this live, stick around for the after the episode portion of the show,

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