NFL Stock Exchange: An NFL Draft Podcast - Mendoza vs. Sellers QB1, Trev's New Fav Prospect, 2026 Edge Class is Stacked

Episode Date: September 25, 2025

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Welcome to the opening bell of the NFL Stock Exchange podcast. Trevor Sica-McConnor Rogers here with you guys for another Stock Watch episode. We're four weeks into the college football season. It's about time that we get towards updating the big board, but not quite yet. We're a week away from that. We still had to give you one more Stock Watch episode before we got to updating the big board. And I'm glad that we did, because there are some players here that are some shoutouts that, all right, when we update our top 50s, maybe they won't make it there, but they

deserve some shoutouts as guys that are moving into our top 100s, into our top 75s. We're talking a little bit about some stock down guys as well, because we're going to take some shoutouts from you guys, as we always do here on Stockwatching. You guys provided us with a ton of suggestions for guys who are stock up and stock down. We'll get to that at the end of the episode. But Connor, how you doing, my friend? I'm good, man. This week's got some juice. Let me tell you that. It's not just, it's not just the games that are going down on Saturday night. Whiteout game, Oregon, Penn State, NBC, primetime, but our stock watch.

Tooting into our boy? I'm, man, this is my one chance. If I screw this one up, they'll never put me on television again. Oh, okay, I see, I see. There's too much, like, it's a little different when it's, no offense, Illinois, Western Illinois on Peacock. channel 4 Oregon Penn State it's like they

called me up from low A ball to the major leagues in one swoop take the suit tear off the arms for this one that's what you gotta do

you just got to you just got to the arms out yep triset flex yeah the Jake Gold Day that's what you got to do in you know

we went to rush yeah ask for a new headshot hey anybody get a new headshot for me I am excited to talk about a lot of, you know, some of the

matchups that we have upcoming, some of the guys that we're going to talk about are going to go into this Saturday slate, but this feels like the best Saturday of college football yet. There are a couple of players, like, for example, like Dante Moore, right? Like Dante Moore we talked about on last week's Stockwatch episode, he ain't played anybody. He really hasn't. You know, and so like now we're

finally getting into an opportunity where, okay, like now he's actually, you're getting into starting to play legit competition. Drew Aller is getting to the teeth of his schedule and the whole thing that we said at the beginning of the year. It's like, oh, Alar's got all the talent in the world, but what is he like in the biggest games? That's the stuff that matters here.

So really excited to talk about some of the quarterbacks here on this show. Obviously, we will give you our three guys that are stock up, stock down. We'll bring our new name to the table as well. But Connor, where do you want to start with this one with the quarterback conversation? We got a couple of names that we want to get to, a couple of guys that could impact potentially the top 10 of this NFL draft. But I'll let you set the table. Who do you want to talk about first?

I think it's time for us to have a group conversation about, where Fernando Mendoza, the Indiana quarterback, stands right now. The Mendoza. The Mendoza. It was a great weekend to be a part of the Indiana football program. Let me tell you that. Because I don't know what the hell Brett Bilema did to Kurt Signetti, but the Sigmeister was just trying.

He was trying, like, you're playing your friend in, like, E.A. CFB or Madden. Yes. And you're trying to clown them. He was doing it in real life. Am I, like, right? I 100% agree. Yeah, that's kind of what it felt like. And both of those coaches are kind of ones to, you know, like say a little bit of something

to the other. And I love that about college football. I think they're great. I think they're great for the sport. I've never interviewed Signetti, but I've interviewed Beelma at Big Ten. And he is as authentic as it gets when it comes to like, you just ask a question and he doesn't, you don't get the college football speech. You get a real answer.

And I will say this. Like, I still think top to bottom, the SEC is the best conference in college football. However, it's close. However, having head coaches that are the personalities that they are and have the success that they have, like Illinois and Indiana in the Big Ten, like that's awesome. And obviously you're getting some of the Pac-12 RIP powerhouses that are now in the Big Ten. Like Big Ten has some fun matchups.

It's not just Ohio State versus either Michigan or Penn State, and those are the only games in the conference that matter. You get fun ones like the one that we just saw with Illinois. and Indiana. Although Indiana, God, what was the final score of this game? It was like 63 to 10, right? 10? I know Illinois didn't score in the second half.

Man. And a big reason why we get to that 63 number. It's because the Mendoza. Fernando Mendoza. The Mendoza, who, as we talked about over summer, and there's a lot of fans of Mendoza's talent, the thing is with Mendoza, you watch the first couple weeks, Old Dominion, who played them tough.

Shout it to Old Dominion, played them a hell of a lot better than Illinois. Indiana State. Like, you watch the games and you're just like, okay, he doesn't really have to do anything. I actually thought his best throw of the year up to this game was a drop on a deep ball in the first game of the season. Oh, yes, yes.

So I did a tape breakdown on Mendoza for NBC this week because it's just a good time to kind of see where he stands. and that was one of his best three throws. But this game, Trevor against an opponent that, okay, Xavier Scott was not playing in this game, but Illinois still has good defense. Indiana just could do no wrong. And I think the structure Mendoza is in right now

is aiding his development in a way that you really like to see. We're at Cal, when we talked about him over summer scouting, at Cal, there was times where he was just a bad decision maker, whether he didn't see a defender, he would take chances that were probably a little unwarranted. And now I feel like he's comfortable in a structure that it feels a little safe at times. And then when they need him to make a throw, like the third down touchdown he made over the safety against Illinois, where it's man coverage on the outside with the wide receivers and corners.

Illinois is showing a four-man rush. They actually only rush three. One of the down defensive lineman peels back and the safety stands almost right at the goal line. Mendoza knows, okay, now I have the protection against the three-man rush. They're in-man coverage. My wide receiver is going to run right towards the middle of the end zone. But this ball needs to be lofted over the safety, but I need to be careful. I don't airmail it through the goalpost into the stands.

And he made a perfect throw. That's the kind of stuff, Trevor, that you love to see from Mendoza, who I know he runs a little bit in this offense, but he's a pocket passer. Like he's not the same athlete as a lot of these guys. So he needs to make those throws. Right, right. And that's something that I wanted to sort of bring up and talk about with his scouting profile. So in this game, I'll just give you the numbers. I know the guys who are watching, you guys who are watching on YouTube, you could see these.

But for audio people, 84.0 passing grade versus Illinois. 21 for 23 passing. So, I mean, he was pinpoint. He was fantastic. 267, excuse me, passing yards, five passing touchdown, zero interceptions. He only had one big time throw. That was it, the one I just said. Right.

that was the that was the big time throw in this game no turnover the plays and he's been a pretty negative throw free type of quarterback so far this season and he's played really well within that structure you know a couple of the really nice throws that I felt like he had in this game and this sort of goes into his pro projection a little bit which I guess I'll set the table by saying this Mendoza has an NFL arm and we've we've talked about this here since the season started. We talked about it during summer scouting. He's got a legit NFL arm. I didn't know if I was going to be as high on him as the NFL would eventually be on him because he had more turnover where he plays than he had big time throws when he was a cow. And I think that that was something

to monitor. His pressure to sack ratio was over 20% when he was a cow. And it was again over 20% in this game specifically, which is something that you got to think about with him being a pocket passer and him, you know, playing under pressure. But there were a couple of throws in this game where it's a good and bad. He's running an RPO play where he very quickly reads that the linebackers are firing down into where the line of scrimmage is

and he immediately goes, oh, okay, immediately takes it from the running back, pops it over and normally hits, whoever it is, Elijah Serrat, whoever it is, like for a slant right there where the linebacker used to occupy that space. And that's a fantastic job of recognizing what defenses are doing.

and I would say that that's a major strength of Fernando Mendoza. His IQ for the position is fantastic. And that's why I hoped that the big time throw and turnover-worthy play ratio would get better from him because of seeing little flashes of it last year, seeing those things this year. And he just, it does feel like he has so much control over that offense. So I like the decision-making part of him running the RPO stuff. He's not going to run that in the NFL.

Like, he's not, he's not going to be part of an RPO offense. He can keep defense as honest. Like, there was a play where, I think it was a keeper of his. Maybe he was just scrambling from pressure. But he was running out to the sideline. And one of the Illinois linebackers was trying to catch him. And I'm watching this play. And I'm like, all right, this Illinois linebacker clearly just does not have the speed to,

to beat him to the sideline. Their starter got thrown out for targeting early in the game. Okay, so this, that might have been it. That might have been sort of white. The player you're talking about could have been a, reserve. It might have been a reserve player because I'm watching it and I go, okay, any linebacker in the NFL is getting to you before you reach the line of scrimmage. And that's just sort of the athleticism baseline that we have there. So I like the decision making from him from the

RPO perspective, but I kind of take some of those plays out because he's not really going to run those plays in the NFL. But there are a lot of other instances where he shows high IQ and I would say patience for the position. Like that throw in the back of the end zone, that's patience. I think he's waiting for a guy underneath to sort of run a route that's even shallower, a little bit of the same trajectory. Yep. But he goes, okay, well, that one's not open, being a little bit more patient,

waiting a half more second, and there's the guy over top in the safety, and I'm hitting him in the back of the end zone. Which was because of showing the four-man rush, the big guy that actually pretended to rush, and it wasn't a mug linebacker. It was a down defensive lineman. He peeled back and took away that shallow route. So that's why I was so impressed at that throw

where you're right Trevor he had to work off of the planned read and there's one more throw he's made this year that showed me his IQ in week three against Indiana State there's under two minutes left and they're at about the 30 yard line yeah they're at the 31 yard line

and Indiana State is clearly in the mold of it's 38 nothing already because it's Indiana State sorry like but they're trying you would think to just okay can we hold them to three here and he's really only needs to play for three you're up 38 points but he sees right away that it's cover two and he has the protection and good protection not great because he's about to get hit as he's stepping up into the throw but he perfectly waits for his slot receiver to break in the deep middle vertical like vertical of the field in between cover two and he fires a laser

and i get it it's indiana state who gives a crap right but the arm like the throw itself to step up into the hit and make that throw. He knew the coverage. He knew exactly the throw he had to make and he made it. So as a pocket passer, it is clearly there for him. But it's a tough way to play in today's NFL. That'll be the counter argument to him. It is, but you have to do it. And I would say that the, the throws that I'm actually the most impressed with with Fernando Medoza is I think he's the best out route thrower in the class. Like whether you're on the near hash, whether you're on the far hash, like this dude can throw an out route. There was a touchdown.

I can't remember which receiver was on the end of this one, but it was one of his touchdowns where you watch it, and I think if you watch it just from a fan's perspective, you're watching the game, you go, oh, the receiver cooked that DB. That's an easy pass. No, it's not. He's on the opposite hash,

and he's got to get that ball there with pace before the defensive back can catch up to him and before the wide receiver runs out of real estate in the end zone and gets to the sideline in the end zone. so that throw where if you watch it in game you go oh my goodness great job by the receiver getting open and it is a good job by the receiver to create that separation i noticed the throw and i notice how he just continues to be he continues to showcase he's got the NFL talent to hit those out route throws which i think is very very impressive so mendoza has been great

now i think the question that everybody wants to know is well okay you're talking about this guy like what context are you talking about him? Are you talking about him as a third round pick, a second round pick? Like, what are you saying? I think Fernando Mendoza, at this point in time, is a legit top 10 pick. And there is going to be... Now, I'm not saying necessarily that I have him as top 10 pick. I'm saying that as we go through like mock drafts,

which we're going to get to mock draft soon, guys. I promise we'll give it to you mock draft form. But I think he's going to get... Yeah, we're going to have to pay the bill soon. I think he's going to get consideration as the top quarterback in this class because he does so many things like that. So then the way that we talk about Mendoza, we might nitpick him a little bit, but it's because I really do believe that the NFL is going to look at this guy

kind of in the same bucket as Lenore Sellers and Garrett Nussmeyer. Like I think that we're going to get to this point where those three feel like right now the three quarterbacks that we would talk about if you are going to take one in the top ten. It's sort of that conversation with him. So I don't know if I'm quite there yet. I got to rewatch all of his games and get to there and update his stock profile, which we'll be able to get to a week from now when we update the big boards and everything. We'll give you our updated top 50s.

But I do think that he just has, he has so much of what the league wants. He's got the size. He's got some movement ability, even though he's a pocket passer, like you said. But there's just not a throw that this guy is incapable of making. and I think that that's always very alluring to NFL teams, no matter who you are. Yeah, I wish he didn't run like Mac Jones sometimes. But he's not a zero. Like he's faster than Jared Goff.

I want to make that clear. It's just sometimes when he's running, you're right about the linebacker that didn't chase him down. I'm like, man, can you just be like a little faster? Right. Just a little bit. But he, obviously I wasn't very high on him. I was very vocal about that over. summer i'll tell you right now where i had him yeah me and you both had him i think it like nine

qbc i had him cuby seven okay i might have him eight uh i'll tell you right now who i had over him i had nussmyre arch and clubnick who have not been good aller meteer and sellers like all over him yeah so he's he's playing he's playing well he's playing better than a lot of the other quarterbacks in this class already i had him i had him eight i had arch aller nussmeyer levitt clubnick sellers mater over him. And I think that he's probably in amongst NFL circles. Again, not necessarily saying that this is exactly how we think here on this podcast, but I think that projecting to the NFL, like if you go over to PFF's big board and you

see the front facing board, which I'll remind everybody, that's the predictive board. It used to be my board. It's not anymore. We're switching things up a little bit. So when you go to PFF.com, the board that you see is not my board. That's the PFF predictive board that the mock draft simulator. runs off of so that's what i think and we think at pff the league believes of these players and how highly they're going to be drafted so that you guys have the most realistic mock draft experience

but if you go over to a little setting button and you click source then you can go over to version you can click the tab there then you can see sycamas 2026 big board which is actually my big board and where i have these players so i feel like i should probably say that more than i do actually because people probably just believe the front facing board is still my board but uh just a reminder there So we've talked Mendoza. Who's next? Who do you want to talk about next? The most underrated quarterback prospect in the country.

And that is Rucker's very own Aethan Calliak Manus. Dude. I mean, what the hell? First of all. Wonderful job saying the last name. Thank you. I'm crapping myself looking at this on our show sheet. I am like the Mrs. Puff SpongeBob meme like, oh, Neptune, just sweating bullets, looking at

this guy's name. Let me pull back the curtain here and not give myself as much credit as I want right now. I, going back to that year I did Big Ten Media, which was preseason 2004, I had Greg Shihano as one of my interviews. Okay. So I had to learn how to say this name. Nice. Yeah.

So you're prepared. And yeah, I was Mrs. Puff as well practicing my interviews. Oh, because you had to say it to the head coach's face. I didn't want to screw it up So he'd have made your run laps He actually would have Yeah he would have been like Get the hell out of my face

Yeah he'd be like You gotta give me 25 Give you 25 pushups right now So This is a name that we haven't talked about On the show And he is I believe now a fifth year quarterback

I know he was He played for Minnesota for two years I need to do one last check If he was there a year before playing Because he's This is his second year at Rutgers and he was at Minnesota initially where he did play. It's not like he was just there and transferred.

Yeah, so he didn't play at all in 2021 as a freshman. And then he made five starts in 2022 as a sophomore. He was the full-time starter for Minnesota in 2023, and he was Rutgers starter last year. So this, he's played a lot of college football. Wait a second. His brother plays wide receiver on the team. Isn't his name Dino?

Dino. It's the best. It's the absolute best That's incredible Yeah What a name duo I mean it's actually Unbelievable

Yeah Dino Calliak Manus And his name is Athen right Not Athen Is it Athen? I don't know I don't know I thought it was Athen Oh Neptune

Why are you doing this to me I don't know I told you I've practiced the name I told you it's Jake Gyllenhaal Oh boy Here we go Well Caliac Manus Not Dino

Little summer scouting throwback For those of you That were around for the summer Oh man Power Ranking the Jake Gyllenhaal movies That was a big hit I still haven't seen any of it That actually

He's never watched one of my life Which was bizarre Like I had all the catalogs That just opt out on You opt out on Jake Jillenhall's catalog Which has so many elite flicks I don't get it Got nothing

Don't know what to tell you At least you're honest I give you a lot of credit. I don't think I don't think I would admit that in public. So I give you a lot of credit. You're braver man than me. So this is someone who just looks like a different player this year. And maybe if you actually believe in development, these things can happen.

Because you're talking about a player that has started across three seasons of college football before this, a half season and then two full seasons. I think this is his third year with the Rutgers offensive coordinator because they had crossover at Minnesota, which is, probably why he transferred in the first place. Make sense. Two Rutgers. But Trevor, the throws he's making, just for raw stats of last year, so we're not that far away, but this was kind of more the same at Minnesota. 53.9 completion percentage.

He threw 18 touchdowns to seven interceptions. He only averaged 6.8 yards attempt. This year, he's been a totally different player. And when you turn on the tape and scout the player beyond the numbers, first of all, in the loss to Iowa, he had five picked. big time throws. I mean, you watch these throws, they are deep shots down the sideline.

He is throwing deep outs. The arm strength, I don't even know who this is. The arm strength is phenomenal. The release is quick enough. He's got an NFL arm. Are you saying versus last year, like what he had been previously?

I just feel like he didn't take these, like he didn't challenge defenses in this way, where maybe I didn't, the physical talent was in there. But it never, when I watched Rucker's play last year, I never watched this version of him. Well, it was kind of like what we talked about with Josh Hoover last week when I brought Josh Hoover. Hoover was not this type of quarterback last year.

And now he looks stronger. He looks more confident. There's more power in his lower half. The release is quicker. All that kind of stuff. So maybe that's the thing with Caligmanus as well. That's what it feels like. I just look at a player that is willing to,

challenge the third level of the defense and he's willing to do it consistently i mean he really is he's already made 10 big time throws in four games this year and you watch these throws once again the velocity on the passes he can throw a touch when he needs to i think right now this is the most improved quarterback in the nation when you stack up where he was last year compared to where he is now and he gives them something in the run game he ran for two touchdowns last week One was a real design run to the outside. The other was more of the tush push variation. But he's six, three, two hundred twelve pounds.

And I think he's going to be a 220 plus pound NFL quarterback. He looks like it. He could really fill out. He might have already filled out. These Ruckers guys, by the way, like I know I definitely, you know, give them a little bit more love because they're a New Jersey school. But I know the lifting program there has made colossal strides over the years compared to where they were.

I think he's he's going to play a lot closer to 220, 225. I think the 6-3 is a legitimate 6-3, 6-2 and a half. But I'm just so impressed, Trevor, with that no spot of the field is off limits for this guy after he felt like such a limited quarterback his three previous years. Yeah, look, I did not know him at all whatsoever. I saw him on the show sheet. We had a little bit of time before we hit record.

And so I was like, okay, you know, I watched all my guys. Let me watch a couple of Connors just so I can have a better, a more detailed conversation and a back and forth here and I start watching his big time throws because I noticed he had a bunch of them that you noted and I look at the first when I go

damn man I like that that all came together for him I mean the release was great right power in the lower half really great fundamentals the ball flight was fantastic wow great throw and then I watched the second one

I go damn he really put that all together great release power from the lower half great follow through good fundamentals good ball path and then I watched the third one I go damn he really put it all all together on that one.

You know, power from the lower half. And I keep watching these throws and I go, I'm not going to lie, dude. I got to like his six big time throw and I was like, all right, screw this. I have to just watch all of the passes. Like, because I must be watching just his best. His fundamentals are fantastic. This is probably the quarter, at least the little bit that I've watched. Again, I haven't done the full scouring report for him, but I watched a little bit of them before this podcast.

He has the most repeatable throwing motion, I think, of any of these quarterbacks that I've watched, and it's very effective. Like, he is getting a ton of power on the ball. The release is fantastic. The ball flight, the spin, how tight the spiral is, where he's placing it, all this kinds of stuff. You mentioned, like, some of the touch throws versus some of the more bullet throws. Now, he seems to have more strength on his throws like 10 yards and in than he does. he's more of a touch passer

the further we get it down the field, but like, even for some of the touch passes, he's putting it exactly where it needs to go. Right on, guys. The true ball placement, beyond just the accuracy, was phenomenal from this dude from what I watched. So shout out to you for bringing him up in this show. Again, for the audio only people,

92.4 overall offensive grade, 92.6 passing grade, he's had an 84.0 passing grade in all four of his games, at least. So we're not talking about like two passing performances carrying a lot of weight for that high passing grade. This dude has consistently been fantastic. And if I had one word to describe him, it would truly be consistent. I don't know if I've watched through four games a more consistent quarterback in the country.

So he is fantastic. I'm getting to his scouting report and getting him in the NBS immediately because if the rest of his throws look like the ones that I've seen, we've got an NFL quarterback at Rutgers in this class. We really do. I'm with you all the way. I was so excited watching him because you're just begging for more breakouts, especially a fifth year guy,

because like this is it for you, unless you find one of these crazy eligibility aspects. Which? People are fine under the couch these days. Could find it. So he's got a revenge game at Minnesota at noon this Saturday. Then they play Washington, and then Oregon comes to Ruckers on October 18th.

Ooh. So he's like, the best part is we're going to find out more about him. He's going to out duel Dante Moore. That's what I heard you say. You heard it here first. Yeah, put it on his shirt. That's the next merch. I'm a man.

Ethan Caligmanis will out duel Dante Moore on, and then it's just a date. The shirts get printed well afterwards. Oregon wins that game by 40. We've still just got a bunch of shirts. We don't know what to do with. a great model, business model. Good business strategy.

If there's anything we're good at, it's being successful businessmen. Yeah, yeah, of course. By the way, 82.1 passing grade under pressure as well. So like, the kid's good. It's very for real. The last quarterback that I want to talk about is Lenora Sellers from South Carolina.

And the reason why I wanted to talk about him is because we had a game from Fernando Mendoza against a stout, well, what we thought was stout competition that he made look not stout at all whatsoever and sort of fell part quick. Volted him into the all right, top 10 quarterback conversation and Lenora Sellers,

who has been some people's QB1 and potential number one overall picking this upcoming class. He had a really strong game versus Missouri. Now, was it perfect? No, but I do think that it was a strong game. And if you were a Lenora Sellers believer, you had to love what you saw against Missouri. 73.1 passing grade, 18 for 28,

302 passing yards, two touchdowns, no interceptions. He had four big time throws in this game and one turnover worthy play. Again, if you are a big Lenora Sellers stockholder, believer, whatever you want to call yourself, you loved what you saw here because I think the NFL is going to take a look at this guy and they're going to go, okay, this player is the Anthony Richardson mold, but he is further along than Anthony Richardson even is right now in his NFL career. he feels the pocket a little bit better which I'm going to be honest 26.3% pressure to stack ratio

still not good that's the one thing still for me he has got because there are a couple of those plays where I'm watching him and he's scrambling out he's scrambling outside the pocket and there's a defender that's pursuing towards the ball where he has it and like he just holds it and I'm like

dude just throw it at the wide receiver's feet He's five yards in front of you. Don't take the sack. And instead he kind of just takes the sack. And overall, pocket management is something that needs to get better from him. But there are also moments where you watch him slide in the pocket a little bit, find his footing, and be able to deliver a deep pass. There was one of his big time throws that did not get caught was one where it was,

I don't really know what to call this concept. It's essentially the way that he read it. it was a little bit like a Yankee concept where you've got like the deep over going one way and then you've got the deep post going over top of it but you had some movement underneath that as well. Essentially the whole flow of the play, everything,

is going to the left and then there's a receiver who started on the left and he's going deep on a post to the right side of things. Lenoris reads a couple of the first two progressions of guys who are flowing horizontally to the left

realizes they're all covered and then just, I mean, flat-footed, sees that guy at the last second, his pressure is right in his face, deep down the field, wide open. He goes, whoop, just flicks the ball. It goes 40, 45 yards in the air. And to be honest, would it have been a tough catch?

Yes. But it goes, like, through the receiver's hands as he's diving for the ball. Like, he got it close and where he needed to get it. And, like, that's the stuff that you go, that is just the raw physical talent that you love about Lenora seller. So is it all there for him yet?

No. Is he consistent? I would not use that word to describe him. But if you are taking a home run chance on a quarterback in this class, and I think a lot of people that are in that camp are going to pick Lenora Sellers as their guy that they want the champion. So I wanted to highlight his day against Missouri because it was one of those games that the people who believe in him

will go watch the Missouri game. That's the potential that this guy has. So I guess my question becomes Trevor. Say this is just exactly who he is. year right because i feel like you and i have had this combo with sellers now probably three times where it's he could hit the big passing play like it's nothing he's obviously a big bodied gifted runner and almost every single week he's going to take sacks that drive you completely insane i agree say this is just exactly who he is i wonder what the conversation is going to be with him as a prospect

He's probably talented enough that some coach would be like, I'll get that pressure to sack ratio lowered a little bit and I'll just, I have to have the special stuff. I don't think like Anthony Richardson is going to just

like what happened to him is going to plummet Norris sellers. I don't think that's fair. And I think you wisely opened up that way. Yeah. I I'll be honest with you. If this is now again, this is us talking as we are predicted. what we think the NFL is going to do

as opposed to where he might be on our final big board and our quarterback rankings because I want to make sure that I'm not speaking for you but also just clarifying that for me. But if this is who Lenora Sellers is, he's still a top 10 lock in my opinion. I think he goes top 10. Yeah, quarterback fever, man.

And that's ultimately why. I just think that he's, I think that even in his current state he could be a top 10 lock if this is just what he is. Now, if he gets worse, the problem with Sellers is there's not a lot of benefit of the doubt, right? Yep. Garrett Nussmeyer, for example. Nussmeier has a lot of benefit of the doubt right now. He was a potential number one overall pick.

He was the potential QB1 in this class. And to be honest, like, Nuss hasn't looked terrible, but he hasn't looked great. No, he hasn't looked great. He's been just okay. But he has so much leeway into how people view him as a prospect that, even for Nussmeyer not playing great, I mean, I'd tell you right now, Nuss is going top 20.

I could even say like he's going top 10, even for the year that he had. Sellers, if he plays inconsistent, especially down the stretch, I think the last four games, whatever the last four games of their season are, whether it creeps into the bowl or college football playoff or whatever it is,

whatever the last four games of his are, if he doesn't look good, I think he drops a lot heavier than other quarterback prospects and he will be judged more harshly for it because of, like you said, examples of Anthony Richardson or whoever it is where the consistency just was not there with those guys. Does that make sense? Yeah, it makes a ton of sense to me. I would completely agree. So it's kind of how I feel about Lenore Sellers. There we go.

Mendoza, Calais, Sellers. That's the quarterback talk that we got this week. We'd love to hear from you guys as well, as always. Let us know in the comment section. what you think about this quarterback class and anybody else that we need to shout out from the quarterback position. One of my favorite things we've done on the show is having these weekly quarterback talks.

It just totally changed my process. It's not that I wasn't watching quarterbacks, but I feel like I am at least every, I feel like I'm watching every quarterback in the class that matters right now, at least once every two to three weeks. Yes, which I think is important. It's very important this year because we talked about summer scouting,

the volume of guys, but the pool being wide open. Then there's so many quarterbacks that people are just trying to bring up justifiably or not just because this quarterback class kind of needs it. All right, we're going to get into our three guys that we're bringing to the table here. One of them genuinely might be my new favorite player in this entire class. Okay. So we'll get to him in a second. But this PFF betting segment is brought to you by our friends over at Draft Kings.

We got the NFL lines out right now. I was taking a look at the NFL lines earlier this week. Connor, Thursday night football, Seattle was getting a point a half. Oh, yeah. Against the Arizona Cardinals. Couldn't believe that that was the case. Now it is flipped. Now Seattle is actually the team that is favored.

So there's lines like that. There's the New Orleans Saints that are, I don't know if you saw this one, 15 and a half point favorites. God, damn, that's a lot of points. It's a lot of points. The question is, is it enough? That's what we're looking for. I don't know, man.

I think I actually might be taking the Saints getting 15 and a half. I don't think it's ridiculous to take the Saints. It's so many points. It's a ton of points. Even if they backdoor it. Like say the bills are winning by three touchdowns. And everyone's like, okay, this game's over. And then the Saints get this cupcake drive at the end.

And it's like, oh, they covered. That's how easy it is. That's how easy it is, folks. I think 15 and a half is disrespectful. I know their own three. I know we talk about in the power ranking episode. it's because of the last week effect of they just got the doors blown off

and everyone now they it has to swing that way I don't typically bet games like that because it's just so like it's just ridiculous when you're playing with that many points is why I don't love a lot of college games in terms of spreads I like totals

totals are a lot of fun but yeah that's a really big number I was totally with you on Thursday at football when that line launched I loved it and it's amazing in about 24 hours it literally flipped My dad, I don't know if I've told this before on this, on this podcast, but when my dad was starting to get into like sports betting outside of, you know,

just like him and his friends betting on games or whatever, he found this formula. I don't even know where he found it. This is good. But he would be betting the most obscure college football games you've ever heard of. I would be upstairs watching the actual good college football games. And he'd be like, hey, Treb, what's the, what's the San Diego Tech and Virginia State game at right now? I'm like, how do you even know what those are?

And he'd be like, nah, I got the over. I'm like, what do you bet the over for in this game? But, but to the old man's credit, he was winning. He had, see, he was cooking. He found the formula. Because you know what it is with those lines? we live in an era of technology and traders like people that are setting the lines to the books that this isn't as easy as it easy as normal as it used to be but there is the least amount

of bankroll dumped into those games so when the line opens the chances of it moving drastically is so slim right where you look at last week right this is how you knew it was it was dangerous business and i didn't make a pick for this game because we had a weird one weather delay, but Illinois, Indiana. Illinois, Indiana opens up, I believe, as a four, four and a half point difference, Indiana being favored. The public heavily backs Illinois. I mean, heavily. And instead of Illinois getting less points, the book gave them more. They went up to six. So I'm like, that's not a good sign. Like, Vegas is fully behind Indiana here, which seems like a total crit

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slash terms, limited time offer. By the way, I've got to say that, of course, the lines that we talked about, we're recording this on a Wednesday, they can change. Got to make sure that I say that, so you guys know. Yeah, Turner's dad is moving all the lines. Yeah, he is. No, he's a kingpin.

You want to be Indiana State? Well, The number moved. Sorry. I'm going to go to Vegas one time. And I'm going to go to, I'm going to, I'm going to walk up to the plaza and be like, hey, I'm checking in and be like, oh, a room are you? And I'll be like, oh, yeah, I'm this room. And they're like, oh, sorry, your last name. I thought you, I thought you'd be in the Ron Sycamas suite.

I'm like, excuse me, the what suite? The what? He's got the penthouse. They'd be like, no, no, no, sorry, it must be, it must be somebody else. Yeah, it's somebody else. It's my father. October is, is Sycamma penthouse month. he's literally keeping the lights on

at the palace oh god what a legend he's at the sphere but he's just it's a it's like a big 10 4 is on no it's no no it's like a forum you know or he gets up and speaks to you know thousands in the sphere

about how he uh how he acquired this kind of wealth strategy yeah and then of course after yeah And after the forum, they're throwing up Peacock 17 because the whole place has San Jose Tech versus Idaho Northeast. Yeah, I don't, yeah, whatever.

All right, we're talking about first. Oh, I don't even know anymore. Jacob Rodriguez, linebacker, Texas Tech. Ooh. Kid was on fire this past game. It felt like, it truly felt like he knew every person. play and it was when that game started i'm like utah their offensive line like you know you you naturally grow a bias of programs and in teams and i'm like is texas tech texas tech was about

that life on that day 100% they were absolutely about that life and jacob rodriguez was a big reason why man he was just right in the middle of everything this is a six foot one uh two hundred and 35 pound linebacker he was just and this is a 34 to 10 win for tech over a top 20 Utah team yeah with what we think are two first round tackles yeah and tech hadn't really played anyone yet so this was you know they beat organ state the week before in a massive blowout so I think everybody was kind of like as tech for real blah blah my goodness this guy just to talk about the game he had in the stat sheet but the plays are worth going back and watching he had a ton of tackles i think 11 but he had four solo stops which really really

matter he had a forced fumble and he had the interception yeah towards the end of the game that was like almost a one-handed kind of grab where he cut off the throat of the sideline it just it truly watching him it felt like so this season he has a 96.0 run defense grade yep he is reading the flow of the run as soon as the ball is snapped almost every single play you watch the guy i don't think he's the fastest the most explosive the biggest although he's not small so many college linebackers are 220 pounds now he's like a real 230 plus 235 at least he's 235 yeah 235 he his instincts are as good as i've seen this year trevor from anyone it's phenomenal he's his first step is always right he rallies to the ball with his teammates he's a tough like a really really tough player uh he's a

player as well he was at the uh he was at virginia and then he transferred to tech i believe he's made a transition from he was an offensive player initially a tight end that's what i was trying to figure out because he was playing a lot of special teams yeah so i can tell you in a second let's see uh Jacob Rodriguez quarterback he because he played in high school wide receiver tight end and running back what did he play okay so he all of those for virginia oh yeah like he literally just did everything on offense what yeah this is a real this guy's story is fascinating by the way he was a four sport athlete in high school he played basketball baseball track and field and football on his high school team he played quarterback and safety which by the way like there's no more

combo of a human being than when you're a quarterback in safety like oh you're the leader of the offense and do everything for our offense and then on defense you're willing to knock someone's head off in the middle of the field you're a certified lunatic so he was a four-star prospect hold like can i can i just say this yeah yeah go ahead when he was at virginia he want to make sure i get this right did not play a single defensive snap in 2021 right played 50 snaps to wide receiver uh sorry he played 50 as an out wide wide receiver 83 is a slot receiver 23 is an inline tight end 26 is a backfield player and then five a quarterback he wore number 98 that's ridiculous this man did not play defense or trenches at all and he's wearing 90 they are handing the ball off

to him in the backfield and he is wearing number 98 position football player yeah yeah I love him. I absolutely love him, dude. And I guess playing every position on offense and once upon a time at a high level of high school football in Texas playing safety has led to him having these ridiculous instincts. He's one of the smartest players I've watched throughout this entire year. By the way, like cool little side note while researching his background, his wife, he's a married man. He's married two years now. His wife is a helicopter pilot for the U.S. Army.

Oh, yeah, they showed that during the game. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yep. And she's got like a half sleeve. Dude, they're like the gnarliest family of all time. Love it. Yeah. The stock is through the roof.

It couldn't be higher. Our families are a little cooler, but they're cool. Of course, yeah. Oh, no, of course, of course, of course, of course, of course. Oh, by the way, now that I mentioned that, did, remember last week when we talked about we need one of these prospects to be really good at the quarterback position that has a full tat sleeve you remember yes so we brought up carson back because i think he does have a full yeah he does uh ath and calig monis does as well he does he also has a full sleeve oh yeah so

if you guys didn't you know there's a chance sold enough from what we talked about yeah i mean somebody besides lamar jackson needs to pull this off we're waiting right and it's obviously going to be I feel I feel like this is the show that puts the Calliac Manus hype into hyperdrive. We are, yeah, we're right there. I'm hoping. But yeah, Jacob Rodriguez, not only an awesome week, he's had a great season. And one of one of my favorite linebackers in the country from what I've watched this year already. Love it.

Love it. I got to do his full tape breakdown. But Dolman, who is, you know, one half of the PFF College football show with him at Max Chadwick, Dalton messaged me on last Saturday. He was like, hey, I don't know if you've watched Rodriguez, but you need to. So I'm glad that you shattered him out here. Ball player. I mean, literally, just plays every position.

You want to talk about a ball player? This guy that I'm about to talk about might be my new favorite player in the class. Earl Little Jr., the safety from Florida State. This kid rules. So it's been a couple of weeks. I wanted to get to his film because I watched Florida State versus Alabama to open up the season. And he was all over the field. He was making so many plays.

I can't remember who was on the call for that game, but they were consistently talking about him. He was around the ball so much. He had an interception in, was it that game? Maybe it was the game after? I can't remember. He's got one interception this season. He was just all over the field.

We're number zero. Is a defense back? You love that. And so now I finally got around to his season. scouting report and got into his whole scouting profile on how he got to where he is. So he is listed at six feet tall. Well, he's listed at six foot one,

but I have on good authority that he's a little bit smaller than that, but he's right around 200 pounds. He actually started his career at Alabama. He was a cornerback. Well, he played corner, he played safety, he played wide receiver when he was in high school. He also ran track. He also grew up playing soccer, by the way,

multi-sport athletes. We know we like to shout those out here on the show. But he played cornerback mainly in high school. school. And when he got to Alabama, which is where he was first, he also played cornerback. So he played in a handful of games in his redshirt freshman season. And then his sophomore, but he was dealing with a bunch of shoulder injuries, his first year when he was at Alabama. And then he played, I think it was like seven or eight games at Alabama the second year. And then he tore his labrum. So we've got now back to back years, unfortunately,

where he has had shoulder injuries, one of them a major shoulder injury, which we've talked about on the show when it is your job to tackle, it is not ideal that you have shoulder injuries. Right. It's just, it's something that sucks. Now, it transferred, the year after that,

to 2024, he transfers to Florida State. And Clay Fink, I was talking with him. He does a great job covering Florida State. He's just got such great intel on all these guys, all the recruiting backgrounds. Like when they've been at Florida State, he knows the team inside and out. I was talking to him a little bit about Earl.

little junior and he was telling me and I and the grades reflect this I was like where did this guy come from and he's like well he played slot last year and he was telling me he's like he struggled hard like he was a step behind recognizing where routes were going to break he was giving up so much separation he sort of panicked with receivers having the two-way go they thought he was going to transfer in and be their starting slot corner and his grades are terrible from last year playing as a slot defender. Then this summer, they switch him to safety. He's got like some insane practice reps and practice highlights of him being just his major difference maker at the safety level. And then you turn on the Bama game. You turn on, you turn on the rest of their opponents that

they've played this season. And Connor, this dude rules. I mean, he is, if he didn't play with any confidence in 2024, you sure as hell can't tell this year. His trigger downhill from a single high free safety spot is lightning quick. He has so much great recognition and look, we've watched enough safety players. Okay, when I say this to you, I know that you're going to know what I'm talking

about. You sometimes get safeties where especially the free safeties that are coming from depth, you know, they'll run, you know, close to where the tackles being made and you know, maybe they'll get in on the scrum when a couple of other players are over there. But, you know, a lot of these safeties, especially

free safeties, these guys that cover for a living, you don't want to hit. It's not what they're there to do. They're like catching the ball. Let me tell you, brother, Earl Little Jr.'s there to hit. The first play that I watched of him, he's coming from depth as a single high free safety. Alabama hands the ball off. The running back is about to like hit the hole and get to the second level.

And all of a sudden he comes in like a torpedo and just blast the running back at full speed. And I go, hello. the play speed, the violence, the urgency, the desire to be physical and make every tackle possible, he is the kind of football player. Every single defensive coordinator is going to walk. He is a tone setter through and through. You can tell him,

you can tell that he is making calls and adjustments to the rest of his defense from that free safety spot. You know, he'll be waving his hands or giving the handsides or yelling out to the linebackers or yelling out to his, fellow safety if there's a too high safety or a buzz safety or whatever like he is constantly communicating he is he is relentlessly pursuing the ball through the whistle every single time the only thing i wish that he had more of was a ball hawking mentality right because i think the the cornerback background allows him to flip his hips and run pretty well for some good

range in coverage but there are a couple of plays where he gets targeted deep and i know he has the one interception but that's the first interception is in his career and connor he has zero forced incompletions in his career up to this point. There are times when the ball is arriving where the wide receiver is where he could make a play on the ball if he looked up for it. Right. But he doesn't. He just goes to hit the receiver.

And so if he had a little bit more of a ball hockey mentality, oh boy, we're talking about a dude that is, I mean, the tape is so much fun. You know who he reminds me of, early comp, is how Jordan Whitehead played. And I know Jordan Whitehead wasn't great with the Jets, but when... He had some moments, though, when things were going well.

When he was with the Buccaneers specifically in Bowles' defense, he's about out of hell. They put him on the edge. They put him at the linebacker level. They put him as a slot defender. He play as a strong safety, and he is hitting, baby. He is going towards the ball

as fast as he possibly can to make as big of a hit as he possibly can. And I'm not just saying that he's doing that recklessly like he's hitting dudes but with his shoulder and wrapping up really well and making sure they feel it as well so earl little junior it's early in the season his career grades to this point haven't been great so we'll see if he can make a full year out of it but man if he does i think this could be a top 50 player for me this is this is one of my favorite players that i have watched in this entire class i love the energy plays with i only watched that first game

against alabama that you brought up but just hearing you talk about him and the fact that he's healthy and just how fearless of a brand of football he plays it's pretty awesome and it's why it feels like things turned around quickly for that Florida State defense yep at the beginning of this year who's next for you kind of a revisit guy but I want to talk about Jonah Coleman briefly oh he's been awesome Jonah Coleman's been awesome and the reason I'm bringing him up is because I think the conversation is kind of shifted with Jonah Coleman where you know you look at summer scouting where we were high on I had a RV3, but there's an argument that Jonah Coleman is the best running back prospect in this draft right now, or at least as a top, like a lock to be a top 75 pick.

I mean, it's been, it's been a slow start for Jeremiah Love, that's why, in that Notre Dame offense, but I think Love is going to be fine and it'll be the first running back taken. Yeah, I would agree. But, you know, you have then Nicholas Singleton, Darius Taylor. I'm going to bring up another running back in this class on today's show. show for the first time, but I'll tell you the difference right now, Trevor, with Coleman that is really, really helping him. I think he has legitimate receiving skills that, you know, he has this, he has this dense build. He's like 5'9, but he's 2.30. And he is really built

that way. He's just, he is 30 pounds of muscle in a 15 pound potato sack. Like, that's what he looks like and you watch his ability on these dump off passes or when the play breaks down to change up what he's doing in his route and his ability to make people miss but also run really really hard that's the difference to me with him right now where he was really good against Washington State specifically as a receiving back he had two explosive plays he caught all six of his targets he had a receiving touchdown. Coleman's just, he's the type of NFL back that I really, really like. I think he can churn through contact, but he's got natural soft hands.

That has transitioned from pass catcher to open field runner is really, really dangerous. And I think the pass protection will grow and develop and get better. So Jonah Coleman, man, we liked him over summer, but this was a good time to check in. I think he's been even better than I expected. Yeah, he, uh, He could very well be that second running back drafted. He really could, especially because I don't know who else is really taking that mantle at this point. I think Jeremiah loves easy, still RB1.

I know it's been a slow start to the year, but when he has been given the opportunities, I think that he has still produced. They haven't blocked well for him. It hasn't been as good as we thought it was going to be with that Notre Dame offensive line. Yeah. So, Joe DeColman absolutely could be that second running back off the board. What do you got next? Okay, I got a former five star that I'm bringing to the table next.

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Then he moved over to USC. I was really coming along last year because before he had a season-ending lower body injury. They weren't specific with it, but we do know that it needed surgery. So, I don't know, an ACL tear, an Achilles tear, something like that. I couldn't find any other details on it. But he's really been able to hit the ground running this upcoming, or this season, I should say, with how he has been able to play. And it really just felt like he didn't really miss any time since being injured.

So he is somebody who looks the part of an NFL defensive lineman. He's listed at 6'5-285 pounds. But just like Gabe Accus from Illinois, he is a two-point stand-up outside linebacker rusher at 6-5-285. That's ridiculous. How many of these guys are we going to have? It's taking over the sport. And I got, I mean, I bray with it, right?

I mean, like, that freak show dudes who at 6-5-285, I don't, you know, I'm watching. watching him, and I don't know if he's 285. I mean, he might be like 270, to be honest with you. There's still a lot of humans standing up and running around. That's still great. Like, I'm still great with that. So obviously, he's got massive size to him, especially if he's 285, that's huge. But even if he's 270, I think that that's great.

You would think that he'd rush with his hand to the dirt, but he doesn't. He's much more of a two-point stance outside linebacker type of a player, really long arm. So the long arms match the six-foot-five frame, so I don't really have any. sort of reservations about that. This year, really well-rounded profile. 74.9 overall defensive grade, 82.4 run defense grade, 77.2 pass-rush grade. 17.6 pass-rish win percentage, which previously the last two years, it was right around like 13, 13.13.5%. So he's getting better at that. I think that he... So here's sort of my overall thoughts on him.

I think that he's consistently in control when he's matched up against to offensive lineman, it just takes him a little bit of time to shed the block if he doesn't like hit a pass rush move immediately. So you know what I'm saying? Like he'll engage with somebody. He'll get the arms. He's got a strong upper body. So like he'll get the arms fully extended and he's got the leg drive to where like he can keep moving a little bit. He can keep his feet moving. He can keep making progress towards the quarterback. But it just takes him a little bit of time to like stack and shed or you know, execute that like a push pull move or something like that. But I will say that he is an ascending pass rusher. The more that I

watched of him the more pass rush moves I saw he wasn't just a bull rush type of a guy like I think I remember him being this past season he's got a nice little inside counter to him I saw you know the chop rip against the outside shoulder the club you know arm over swim move that he was able to do to get inside like I think that he is expanding his pass rush back so he's getting better and better which is good to see on the negative side like I said he consistently wins with strength just not super quickly, which I think will go into how much the NFL is going to prioritize a player like this, because he's not super twitchy in that regard. And he's a little bit of a tweener, right?

I mean, like, he's not as quick as your typical outside linebacker. So if you like for your outside linebackers to drop in coverage or spot pick up tight ends or things like that, he might not be the kind for you. He could be a defensive end, but he doesn't have a ton of experience with his hand in the dirt and like a five technique alignment. And although he is big for a edge rusher, I don't think he's big for an interior player. So maybe you could get some four eye work out of him as a three, four defensive end if you make sure that you put on an adequate amount of weight and strength on him.

But I don't think he's kicking inside of like three tech and he's going to be sort of this like moonlighting three technique for you. So he's a little bit of a tweener in that regard. I think it'll take the right defensive coordinator to get the most out of him. But he is uniquely gifted. He does have good strength. his pass rush is getting better he's obviously built like somebody who is for the NFL um it just might take a little bit of creativity he's not just he's not going to be for every

offense i think you've got to have a multiple odd front defense to be really happy with the return you're going to get for him but uh anthony lucas from USC somebody who definitely caught my eye and he's playing really well this season it's a good shout man these types of players are just so fun to watch because the movement skills you have to have to even play that kind of role while carrying that kind of mass is just it's ridiculous honestly yep my last one here before we do a new name and i know you got another player as well that i'm really excited for your next player because i think he's jumped out on tape how about the name hollywood smothers yeah man every single time i watch nc state he's the dude he's the guy running back on nc state

hollywood smothers has what a name what a name the young fella has had himself a year he He's sixth in FBS and rushing. He's already over 500 yards. A metric that Trevor and I really like when we reference on this show is mistackles force per attempt. He is at 0.32, which is a really good rate. Really good.

Essentially, it kind of correlates how you create for yourself compared to what the blocking is in front of you. But here's the thing, Trevor. This guy's vision is so good. He's a smaller back. He's 511-195. His short area quickness

combined with what he's seeing and it cut runs back or kind of slither through a gap there's not a lot of hesitation in his game it's just and this is somebody who started his career out at Oklahoma but transferred to NC State after one year so he's only a redshirt sophomore

but at the rate of production he's putting up right now he could really be like a one big year and done kind of guy with the running talent that he has if you're a zone blocking team this guy is so good at just finding lanes once again finding those cutbacks he's got really good short area burst he's very consistent in how much he's creating for himself each game like week

one east carolina eight mistackles force week two virginia five mistackles forced week three against wake forest seven mistackles forced week four against duke where he's still at a hundred and twenty three rushing yards four mistackles force so every single game he's making people miss I think his balance is great at that size. There's plenty of times where the first guy feels like he has him and he kind of finds a way to recollect himself. And once again, when you're a smaller back, but you have that pound for pound leverage strength,

this is something we talked about a lot with Ashton Genty and he's obviously not Ashton Genty, but when you're that more compact back but you have a lot of muscle and you have a lot of balance, you can kind of collect yourself a little easier. I'd say the only thing I'm nitpicking right now because he, um, they just don't trust them in the receiving game

because his past protecting needs work. And he's smaller. Like there's a couple of times where he was late to the blitzer. He's not always big enough to pick up the blitzer. But for somebody that I really wasn't privy to, like I wasn't really watching him over the summer. There's just no way you could miss him for what he's done so far. Yeah, the production is there for him.

I mean, he's got 503 total rushing yards. That's sixth most in the FBS this season. So I think it's worth continuing to monitor how he plays. You know, I think that there is always a distinction to make. Is this a college back or is this an NFL back? And there's a lot of productive college backs that don't end up being NFL backs. And for Smothers, I think the lack of past protection ability and then therefore the lack of receiving ability is is tougher on his scouting report just as a smaller running back. He's certainly given you a lot to think about with how quick his game is

and how many mistackles force that he's given us this year. Right. Ohio State, defensive tackle, Caden McDonald. He's the last guy that I wanted to bring him to the table here. The reason why is because he's standing out as a run defender. So he's 6'3, 3 125 pounds. Now, he's a true junior this season. So he's got plenty of eligibility left,

and it may not be in this class overall, we'll see. But 92.0 run defense grade this season. 68.6 pass rush grade, 11.4% passers win percentage. Honestly, not much of a pass rusher right now, but I think that there's reason to believe that he could be more. So I have him categorized. I've mentioned this before. I have defensive tackle split in two categories now in sort of my scouting sheet.

I have nose tackles, technique defensive tackles. For him, I have him as a nose tackle because right now I think that that is just what he is. He aligns the nose tackle whether Ohio State is in an even or an odd front so he could be anything from like a one technique all the way to a zero right above the center's helmet. He's actually got a pretty athletic build for a guy who is 325. Like he carries some good weight and you can tell he's got some good muscle in his lower half. Yeah, he's got a belly to him. But of course he's 325 pounds. Of course he does. But he doesn't look like much of that weight is sloppy it really it really does not look like that i think he's got

pretty good pursuit speed even though the stride length is short it's kind of like those small running backs who it's like piston engines that are firing you know with with smaller strides but i think he can really move and he can really pursue for ball carriers um if they're in front of him and he's got to chase him from behind i think he has the ability to do it he is very flexible which i always love especially with nose tackle types where you can get low and loaded in a three and four point stance where you could fire off the ball and have some really good leverage.

Now he's got some plays where he does execute that very well and you can tell that his strength is very imposing when he does but he also has some reps that I watch too many in my opinion where he's just popping out of his leverage and he's just trying to like hand fight

while he's fully standing up and he sort of like gets rid of an advantage that he has there. He has some plays specifically on the goal line this year and last year. I went back and I watched the Michigan game from last year as well where they are on the goal line and he's like Vita Vaya at times

where it's just like nope you want to go through the A and B gap not happening like I he just he has the center in absolute hell the center is hanging on for dear life he just has his eyes in the backfield and it's just a matter of wherever the running back goes he is throwing the center one way or the other

to make the tackle or at least get in on it and disrupt it at the line of scrimmage so there are times when he is an imposing single blocker. He can take double teams well, but again, he's got to maintain his leverage in order to do so. And I saw a handful of reps where he didn't, and that's where he really got exposed against double teams. I think he gives up his leverage a little too easily.

I think he gives up his chest a little too easily as well. He's got to keep those hands working to get offensive linemen's hands away from his chest. I think right now when he's pass rushing, he kind of pops up and he's got fast hands, and he'll look to, you know, hit you with a nice little club or a rip or something like that. But before he does, you know, he's chopping his hands and he's leaving his chest exposed. And so the offensive linemen are just able to get their hands inside and underneath his pads pretty quickly. And sometimes they can get control when in reality he's a lot stronger and quicker than them and they shouldn't be able to do that. I think he's got a lack of length in his arm length.

That's why I don't think I don't think he's going to be a three technique guy. I think he's just going to be a nose tackle guy. Okay. I think he's a good player Like I put him in my big board And the MDS big board Which is updating Maybe a push through already

But I think he's in like the 60s or 70s You know I think he's that sort of fringe Sort of second third round pick type of a player And be I know he's got a great run defense grade right now But being more consistent as a run defender Being that true like bolder in the middle That'll get him up into that second round range In my opinion and then whatever you can give you

whatever he can give you as a pass rusher, that always goes above and beyond in that category. So really good run defender, just looking for a little bit more in the pass-rest game and to be a little bit more consistent, but that's all to be expected as a true junior. Dude, he's popped for me. When you put him in our rundown today,

I was excited because he's just one of those guys where this is a team that, especially on the defensive line, it feels like they always graduate a few guys out and it seamlessly transitioned somebody and don't skip a B and some other four star or five star right always always his sheer size is one of those situations where you're like oh like this guy I notice him on the broadcast not even the all 22 yeah so new name time yep let's do it new name we got my new name going

back to the university of Washington program is safety Alex McLaughlin who was a transfer I believe from Northern Arizona this year. And the reason he popped off, yeah, he was from Northern Arizona, popped off from me this week is he had two interceptions against Washington State. Now, one of them was off a tipped pass where he still made the play.

But this guy has ball skills and really puts himself in position to make plays in coverage. He already has three forced incompletions. He had the two picks. He's six to 200 pounds. Very physical player in coverage. It constantly got trying to bump guys through their routes,

bump guys for the ball at the catch point. He's somebody that has stepped in as a starter for this team pretty seamlessly as a transfer. This is, he played the last two seasons at Northern Arizona. He was all Big Sky first team for them. So he was playing at a high level. And that was, you know, the ball skills popped there as well. You had two picks, six pass breakups. But you look at the level of competition stepping up and having to kind of earn that starting

spot he doesn't look out of place for a defense that has a lot of talent on the back end but he was somebody because of the program he came from i didn't know a lot about and you can't miss him on tape once again going back to i've just been so impressed with the coverage ability it doesn't have two tackles for a loss and he will play up at the line of skirmage but to me this is somebody that's a true free safety on the back end hell yeah love it i love it i i do not know anything about him so cannot contribute to this neither did i conversation at all but yeah i guess that's the point of new name though because it is because i don't i know both edge players on the program you're going to talk about i don't know anything about their interior defensive line dude texas tech their defensive lines fantastic

have things changed like texas tech we are not talking about two defenders from texas tech on this show and neither of them are their star edge rushers no no so we have yet to even get to Ramello Hight, who I, I have him on my short list of guys to watch. I just have not watched him yet. David Bailey obviously is phenomenal from his days when he was at Stanford and he's still rushing the passenger at a very high level now. But when I was watching that Utah Texas Tech game, there was a player who continued to pot for me more than anybody else.

And that is their defensive tackle, Skylar Gil Howard. And I was like, okay, I got to write him down. I got to watch him immediately because I enjoyed so much of watching him play in that Utah game, specifically against some really good Utah offensive linemen. So I throw on his tape, Connor, and one of the first couple of plays that I see is it's either third or fourth down and won. He is lined up right in front of Spencer Fano, who is one of the best run blockers in the country.

He stands him up straight at the line of scrimmage. I mean, he does not yield a step to one of the best run blockers in the country and I'm pretty sure the running back just run straight into Fano's back because he's like, this has never happened before and I think that they were able to get the stop there. So, Gil Howard is a redshirt senior.

Let me make sure, actually, hold on, let me pull all this up because I want to make sure that I get all this stuff right. He is, he is a red shirt senior he is listed at six foot one two hundred and ninety pounds so even as a three technique defensive tackle which is the category that i have him in that is ninth percentile and 13th percentile so he's a tree stump he is a smaller dude when i watched his film i liked him when i looked at his background liked him even more zero star linebacker okay

in the 2021 recruiting class from Milwaukee, Wisconsin. He was a two-sport athlete, also competing for wrestling, was a two-time runner-up in the state wrestling tournament. So this dude was very close to winning a state championship as a wrestler twice. He was a three-time captain when he was in high school. So his sophomore year of high school. Very hard to do. He is a team captain, which I will get back to in a second.

So he commits to Upper Iowa, which is a D2 school. When I say commit, I mean, he walked on. So he played there. Upper Iowa. Who names a college, like a very vague part of a state? I believe it. I have it. Upper Iowa University Fayette.

Oh, private university enrolls 3,000 students. Upper New York. One of them was Skylar Gil Howard. This is unreal. You really do learn a new school every, every week. So he walks on there, plays in four games in 2021. He then leaves, walks on at Northern Iowa. Or not Northern Iowa, Northern Illinois, excuse me.

And he transitions from linebacker to defensive line, defensive tackle. So he throws on a ton of weight. He red shirts that first year that he's at Northern Illinois. He throws on a ton of weight. in 2023 he was a backup but he played in 12 games in 24 he's not even a full-time starter he's a rotational player guess what team captain he transfers to texas tech in 2025 guess what team captain that's that's insane to be a transfer into team captain right away they chose him i read this to stand in front of the team and

and give the final, like, training camps over, pump up speech, like, let's go take care of business this season. He's a transfer. He has been a captain in high school, at Northern Illinois, and now at Texas Tech. This dude is made up of the stuff that you would want every football player to be made up of. For as much as I can tell.

Never met him before, obviously. but he and and he let me tell you Connor he plays like it for as much as obviously he's good at getting the dudes fired up and probably giving speeches and all that kinds of stuff he also leads by example he has a junkyard dog mentality he will fight and pursue the ball through the whistle every single play that he is out there he could play anything from a five technique defensive end all the way to a nose tackle he's got super fast and violent hands when he gets the green light to pass rush he has some really impressive reps where he wins with some devastating quickness.

He is consistently stout against the run. He has a 81.4 run defense grade, 79.1 passers grade, 13.4% passers win percentage, and an 88.7 overall defensive grade this season. Now, weaknesses, measurables. He's not really built like an NFL defensive lineman normally is. His arms appear to be quite short, which sort of matches the heights listed. Sometimes he spends a little bit too much time just being blocked up. He's not able to shed blocks as on demand as he would like.

I think that the lack of length definitely goes into that. And he just needs to maintain his pad level to consistently win with power since he is a smaller defensive tackle. Is this guy going to be somebody who's going to get drafted in the first round? No, probably not. But is this the kind of guy that in the mid-round's third, fourth round, you go, I want that due to my football team 100%. Yes.

He reminds me of a CJ. West type of a player where he's sort of like built not really the way that a traditional defensive tackle is but you just love them every time that you throw the tape on that to me is the way that I'm viewing Skyler Gil Howard right now is sort of a mid-round defensive tackle and somebody who I really learned to love the more I looked up about his background and everything what a story man to school you know change not only the position you play and change your body but to go from Upper Iowa, where he said he played four games, be a total reserve at Northern Illinois,

and now you're the leader of a Texas Tech team that's undefeated and looks very for real right now. And let's not forget, he was in that game where Northern Illinois upset Notre Dame. Yes, he was. He had four tackles that game. Yes, he was. So this is somebody that's seen a lot,

had to earn it everywhere he goes, clearly, and I'm rooting for him now. I'm very excited for this player. All right, we're going to get to some shoutouts from the addicts. Yep. Before we do that, talking to all the parents out there, parenting. High pressure decisions all over the place, right? Sometimes you're second guessing, hey,

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So if you are getting a subscription, which we would love for you, too. It really helps you guys get more into the show, get more involved into the show. We love connecting with you guys more. NFL SE 25. That's the promo code that you guys can use. All right. Alex Kasten, shout out, big friend of the show. He's saying, stock up, edge rusher from Arkansas, Quincy Rhodes Jr.

Have you watched him? So this was... He's a manimal. Give me a second. This was the player that our friend of the show, James Foster, DMs me about. Yeah, so the buzz is picking up for this guy, and I was like, oh, yes, I do have to watch him. I have seen a little bit. I haven't watched all of the games yet, because, but when he DM me that, I got eyes on a little bit.

He's been a game wrecker up front. He is. He's kind of a tweener, right? He's not really a true edge. He's 6-6-275. Right. I thought he was kind of like a kick-in-in-and-out kind of guy. if he need him too.

He's a little Deo Odeyingbo, I think, is in like how I'm watching him. But dude, he's huge. I watched him and I just, I didn't pick him as one of the three that we talked about today. But like, I watched him and he is strong as hell, man. I think that he, he is through a couple of games, he's kind of like, if you can't get Keldrick Falk in the first round, you're probably taking a good hard look at Quincy Rhodes Jr. And round two and round three.

that's kind of the way that I would describe him. So, I like him. He's got a nasty inside spin, too. He's mostly a power guy, but he's got a nasty inside spin. If the draft is today, if the draft was today, is Ruben Bain the number one pick out of, like, non-quarterbacks? Yeah, probably.

I agree. Yeah, probably. Probably. Alex went on to say, San Diego State quarterback Chris Johnson. I haven't seen him. I haven't seen him either, but there's a couple of people who are in,

are in the comments shouting him out. He has a hive. I guess he does. Good for you. When you have a group of the addicts that have turned into a hive for you, it's a good place to be. Let's check really quick.

San Diego State. Let's just check the grades. Just checking the grades. Checking the grades. See what we got here. Oh! 90.5 season grade. 80.9 run defense grade.

76.1 passers grade. 89.9 coverage grade. Who is this guy? He wears number one? I'm in. I don't need to watch any film. It says everything you need to know. Films overrated.

I've often told people. Player number 31 on the big board. Don't watch film. Damn. He has had a coverage grade above 70 in all four years that he has played. Like that got me legit. Might be legit.

Might be legit. Oh, which by the way, Colton Hood. I watch Colton Hood from Tennessee. Have you watched him yet? No. No. Brother, it makes me mad that you're...

Oh, because the duo that could be. Holy smoke. Genuinely, Colton Hood could be a first rounder. I got to watch him. Like, I think he's a top 50 caliber player the way that he's playing this year. He was at Colorado last year.

He was behind their two starters. And now he's starting this year. And if it was him and McCoy, like genuinely, that could, that could be two top 50 corners. So, bummer. It is a big bummer. has a lot of talent popping off this year. Alex

also shouting out Romillo Hyte, the other edge rush of him from Texas. I've watched him. Yeah, he's... He said stocked down, offensive tackle, Xavier Chaplin. I have, even going back to summer scouting, I always felt like he's a guard.

Like, it just... What's the penalties? Yeah, and he just, I just think he gets... He is in too tough of a spot when he has put at tackle. I think he's a guard at the NFL level. I do. So,

A little bit of stock down. Slend saying DJ Campbell out of Texas saying he's been turning in some solid performances and his 81.3 grade against true pass blocking sets is slowly starting to stick out. Sleyn, that's a PFF plus subscription right there. Nicely done. We love that.

Pass blocking great against true pass sets. Let's go, baby. Love to hear it. Andrew's shouting out John Henry Daley, the Utah edge rusher. I got to watch. I do too. He's on my short list.

I feel like he popped in the Texas Tech game, though. Big matchup for Isaiah World this week if he sees Denny Dennis Sutton. Yeah. Because World really hasn't been tested at all. Oregon has gotten to just sleepwalk this year. It's true. It's true. Jack's shouting out Michael Trigg, the tied end out of Baylor.

Oh, Trevor's shouting out Ethan. Nice. I love that. Love that. Love that. Look at it. Look at a plan coming together. Look at what Trevor's out here.

Rucker's quarterback went for 3.30. 82.4 passing grade. Five big time throws, zero turnover-worthy plays. Even though there are 17 pressures against him. Folks, that is a PFF plus subscriber. You are living in the database. We love that. We really do.

One of us. One of us. Alex who consistently gives. me a top five up and down every single week. Shout out Alex, big fan of the draft, big fan of the show. See, Eric McAllister, number one, the wide receiver from TCU, Justice Hayes, the running back from Michigan. Jacob Rodriguez, your boy.

I mean, that game was just insane. It's pretty bonkers. R. Mason Thomas? Oh, man. Okay. I think I was a little wrong. I think I was a little wrong. I'm not going to say he's my favorite edge rusher in the class

because the Bane train's probably going number one. one, but he definitely is not the 14th edge of the class. Oops. You know what? This just reminded me of this. When I was watching NFL games with Max and Daldon last week, Max, you know how we say the phrase never wrong just early? Yeah.

Max was, it was some bad take that he had and he was just like, never right just early. I died. I died laughing. Just wrong very early. Oh, that. That's amazing. Bo Stevens, also the shout out there. Also says Josh Hoover, Hollywood Smothers, your boy.

There we go. And then, okay, stock down. I got to shout this one out because a couple of people have been talking about this. The Clemson defensive line duo. I'm not going to lie, guys. I watched the Clemson defensive line duo because I thought that to myself. I was like, damn, Clemson is not playing really well. Peter Woods and T.J. Parker's grades are fine, but I was like, are they good?

I haven't done the full rewatch of these guys yet. but I watched five plays at Peter Woods and I went nope we're still good yeah we're good here he's still just a crazy athlete crazy power all the potential is there yeah it's a really bad environment I think that uh it's a shame

that they're not going to be playing in big games but yeah I Woods is a freak show man yeah uh what's another one here Brady small the center from army guys are rock in the middle of that line led them to a Joe Moore Award last year.

Okay. All right. Trevor's also shouting out Old Miss quarterback Trinidad Chambliss, which quietly, the best name in the class. Yes. Trinidad Chambliss. It's been a good name day. Trinidad Chambliss, Hollywood Smothers. Yeah.

Yeah. It's true. Even Calliak Manus is like, that's a crazy quarterback name. Aethan Calliak Manus is a great quarterback name. Would you try to call him or totally break my brain, Athens? Yeah. Like Athens. Georgia?

You know, yeah. Is it the long A? Is it the soft A? You never know. Oh, man. All these kids' names, they follow no phonetic rules, all right? No. I'm just a podcaster.

That's a good excuse whenever you make a mistake in life. You're pulled over for speeding. I'm just a podcaster, sir. I have no other skills. Please let me go. Top's going to be like, yeah, I'm an attic. Get in the back of the car. You're going downtown, partner.

License and registration. He's going to be driving me to the jail. And before he locks me up, he's going to be like, I told you DJ Lagway was entitled. It slams the door. Leaves you in the slammer overnight. Doesn't even give you a call. You disgust me. All right, a couple more rapid fire.

Noah said you absolutely must talk about Cam Edwards, the running back from Yukon. He's thunder and lightning all at once in a big play machine. Wow. That's how you sell a player. It is how you sell a player. Jelani McDonald from Texas, turnover machine on the back end of that defense. All right. All right. Somebody's giving out a shout out to Zion Young from Missouri. I, if people who listen to Summer Scouting, I wasn't the big fan of Zion Young. I got to rewatch him. I got to rewatch him. Because a lot of you guys are shouting him out. A lot of people have been shouting him out. I'll rewatch him a couple games in. Make sure I get to him before we get to

the, you know, the big board update. He wasn't anywhere close to my top 50, and I don't think he is going to be, but I do need to rewatch him because a lot of you guys are, uh, are shouting him out there. Uh, Julia said Alfred Collins from Texas, can't believe they're still on board. That's just a, it's a great call. Also, Trevor, Trevor Goolsby. Trevor Goalsby. A lot of people are shouting him out from Texas, the offense tackle. Got to do his recheck as well. All right, there we go appreciate it i mean we we love when you guys get into the show i really appreciate all the responses even if it's just a little shoutouts like here like this i want you guys to realize like yeah it's it's a cool way that we like to get you involved in the show but we also go back through

these comments and like i build my watch list on a lot of the guys that you guys are shouting out as well so even if we don't get to them in the episodes just know we're reading a lot of these i'm getting a lot of these guys on the short list for players to watch to get on the mock draft simulator so um fear not if you didn't get a shout out in the show it does not go on notice we would love to hear from you guys from anything that happened here on the show best way to do that youtube.com backslash at nfl stock exchange you can follow the show as well on twitter on instagram on ticot at nflosec show you can follow us as well at tampa bay tray at conor j rogers shout it to everybody who watched the first power ranking episode last monday we had a lot of fun

going through that format and covering the nfl in that format seemed like you guys really enjoyed it as well we will be back next week with that same format because our schedule is we're going to do one more power ranking episode or we can do a big board update episode next wednesday and then give you that mock draft for the first monday of the month of october connor anything else before we get out of here no a big week ahead really big week ahead a lot of at the big board we'll see all the movement we'll bring up some guys that have fallen out as well and then it's it's it's time to pay the bills we're going to we're going to have the mock draft simulator fire it up again here. So I'm excited, dude. How high can we draft Ruben Bain? Is there a pick better than number one? I'm taking them no matter what.

Yeah, he's going to, yeah, he's going to forfeit the draft and only go in the supplemental draft just so he can see only his name. That's how good this project is. He deserves that kind of honor. Appreciate it, everybody watching and listening to the show for Connor Rogers. I'm Trevor Sykima, saying thank you once again,

and we'll see you guys on my night. Thank you.