NFL Stock Exchange: An NFL Draft Podcast - Mid-Season 2026 Round 1 Mock Draft

Episode Date: October 7, 2025

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Starting point is 00:00:00 Welcome to the opening bell of the NFL Stock Exchange podcast. Trevor Sick and Connor Rogers here with you guys live for, it's not the first time, but it's the first time for a regularly scheduled program that we're here live, Connor, on a Monday, as it is an alliteration day. And Connor, the lights have gone out. The water doesn't work. The cable's gone out. It's time to pay the bills, baby.
Starting point is 00:00:36 It's time for a brand new 2026 mock draft. My friend, how are you doing? I'm doing great, man. It's time to cash in right now. Need it. Needed so badly. The mortgage is two months behind. I almost told the wife, no Christmas this year.
Starting point is 00:00:50 And then I had this genius idea, mock draft Monday here to save the day on Santa's sleigh right now, dude. let's get it going. I'm so pumped for this. There's been so many changes already since we last did one. The chat is going ballistic right now. I love when our genius producer, Mr. Cook, rolled the cold open. It was just WWW in the chat with a couple of Alfred Collins sprinkled in. Oh, man, it's beautiful.
Starting point is 00:01:16 We are here with you guys live, and we're trying these live shows here for the first time. We're going to try to go live with as many episodes, if not all the episodes that we during the week, just because honestly, the chat has already started to go crazy. Y'all are already in here with the super chats. We'll get to those in a second, but there were a bunch of you. There were 200 of you in here before the show even started, 10 minutes before the show started. We were a couple minutes late. And of course, we had the, you know, I forgot to wash my hands, which, of course, I did.
Starting point is 00:01:47 You know, we've got all of the inside jokes that are firing off the hip. I mean, this is kind of why we wanted to go live here, to be able to interact with the addicts as we went through. all the exercises, but including this mock draft. Our producer slash chef, Tyler Cook, is here with us producing this show. So he's going to be running the beautiful PFF mock draft simulator as we go through a brand new mock draft. Now, for everybody out there, we are post week five in the NFL season. Well, of course, we don't have Monday Night Football yet, but that probably doesn't matter because it's the Jags and the Chiefs and they're actually pretty good. It's a new draft order.
Starting point is 00:02:23 It is new team needs that have been updated. It has of last night. And then Connor and I have been slaving over a hot keyboard, updating our big boards, getting ready for this episode and the episode where we'll talk about rises and fallers on Wednesday. But, dude, so many changes here to fire up the mock draft simulator
Starting point is 00:02:42 to get ready for this bad boy. I am very, very excited about this one. Yeah, year four, let's see if we figure out how to work the damn thing this time. Well, now I get to yell at, now we just get to yell at Tyler if the mock draft simulator isn't correct. That's right. It's not me anymore.
Starting point is 00:02:57 We hired a fall guy. By the way, shout out to Charlie Parker who just sent us a super chat and said, prayers up to Connor. Nothing happened to him. He just supports the Jets. Yep. Yep. Wow, the super chats are flowing in.
Starting point is 00:03:13 I feel like everybody has a go fund me going for me right now. Jet season, this is from MOF. Jet season is usually over in October a bit earlier this year, likely due to global warming. Some guy on Twitter draft season also pushed up. Oh, boy. I don't want to miss any here. I saw that.
Starting point is 00:03:29 Thank you, CTOD, ghost. I saw our guy, Andrew Harbaugh. Harbaugh, Harbs was in there, giving us a super chat as well. Yeah, what's Harb's saying? There told my wife, told my wife there was no Walmart pickup times. So I had to go to the store. But here I am at Walmart. Groceries in hand, using the extra time to watch this uninterrupted while I, quote, unquote, shop.
Starting point is 00:03:49 Andrew. It's true OG addict behavior right there. Julius with the $5 super chat. can we finally get a live watch along when Trevor finally watches the godfather need more live show it's not a bad idea it's not a bad idea the jillen hall catalog after that uh we were like three minutes late starting this go and so a lot of complaining i could have i could have watched the entire jillen hall catalog a lot of complaining about our tardiness macfarlane geoffrey caught me in the middle of my own mock draft well here we go man these
Starting point is 00:04:21 are flying and we're going to try to keep up with them but we also have to make some picks at some point. So thank you to everybody right now. We will try to get to as many super chats as we can. We really appreciate any sort of super chats that you guys, honestly, any comments that you guys give in the chat. It makes doing these live shows so much, so much fun. But we do want to keep on schedule here. We want to make sure that we're giving you a full first round mock draft here because we do have the new order. So I will, we'll do some picks and then I'll scroll back to some of the super chats and we'll catch up on those as we go throughout the mock job. Tyler, I know you can hear us. Oh, look at
Starting point is 00:04:54 beautiful transition. Oh, God, dude. We're so professional now. I don't even know how to handle this. He cooked. Yeah. He really did. Can we get some nonstop he cooked in the chats?
Starting point is 00:05:04 Yeah, please. Or the chef emojis, honestly. Like, that could. That's actually, should kind of be his thing. Yeah, yeah. Just any time you see something like that, you know, a smooth transition, nice little graphic, whatever it is, we just get a little, we just get a little chef emoji. So we see it right here.
Starting point is 00:05:19 The, uh, the mock draft simulator. Oh, I think this doesn't have the right order. on it i think you got here uh tyler click on just click on mock draft simulator there we go yeah and i think uh i think this should refresh yeah it should refresh at the same there we go baby we had we could not deny this man oh hold on i need to stop you we have we have your lovely wife is in the chat uh she said babe i put hand sanitizer in your work bag this week please say you used it oh god owned on your podcast tough scene every time my wife actually it's really nice thing to do i just get very no she's no she's lovely she lovely and you know what that's why she's my better half she's why she's the best
Starting point is 00:06:05 thing it's ever happened to me because my hands have never been cleaner yes has never been cleaner san if wow the chat is just dying at that that that was good that was the good stuff oh boy here we go we haven't even made a pick no we're seven minutes in haven't even made a pick but honestly like this is this is this is what the people live for this was this was this And honestly, this is why we wanted to do more live shows because the football talk won't start until 729 every single episode. The seven-hour mock draft is so much fun with you guys, all of the post round one stuff that we've done. So we wanted to just try to do more of these because it's so much fun. Connor, I could not deny you the distinct.
Starting point is 00:06:44 Yeah, I know. You know, there have been years when the bucks have been bad. There have been years when the Jets have been bad. Years. Decades. Years. Oh, man. But never have we had the Jets picking number one overall.
Starting point is 00:07:03 No, that's what's funny. For all of this drought, they never go all the way. I know. They just always kind of hover around this. So yeah, here they are. Here they are. Picking number one. All right, let's fire it up.
Starting point is 00:07:19 Connor, I'm not going to ask it. Normally I ask you. Normally I try to be very kind. No, I get it. Gracious co-host. Now I'm saying that we need you to lead. I have to take it. We need you to lead us, myself, Tyler, the addicts.
Starting point is 00:07:34 We need you to lead and start things off here. Baton lead off here for the Jets. Talk to us a little bit about the Jets. And then, you know, as we go through some of the player options, some of the guys are at the very top, guys you'll see right there, that is the updated, predictive PFF, Big Board, which I've talked about this before on the show, if you go to PFF.com, there's two different big boards. The front facing one, the one that you see if you go to the big board page and the
Starting point is 00:07:59 MDS, that's a predictive board. That's one that I am adjusting because this is, I think, what will happen. It's more of a, think of it as more of a consensus board. But if you go to the PFF big board page, you click the little, I think it's a source button, then you can go over to the versions tab, and you can click and see my big board, which will be different. But this is sort of how we feel it's going to happen, how we want the MDS to operate a little bit more towards realistic instead of just what we think about these prospects. But Connor, I know you've been working hard at making sure that your big board is updated and everything. So I know that you got takes on these prospects. Don't feel like you got to go just off the PFF predictive
Starting point is 00:08:34 mock draft order. You can certainly talk about what you want here for the Jets, some of the positions that they might need, some of the players that they think about here. Yeah, and I'm going to do that. But before I get to the pick, you know, a little spoiler alert for our big board show, which I've been working on two players that are ranked above all the quarterbacks right now that I love for the Jets. Obviously, this is going to be a quarterback pick with the state of the franchise, but Jordan Tyson, the wide receiver at Arizona State and Rubin Bain Jr., the big heavy-handed edge rusher from Miami, I think are just phenomenal players, two of the best players
Starting point is 00:09:10 in the draft, great fits for the Jets, as is Caleb Downs, but I don't think they're going be in the position to take a safety with all their problems right now. But yeah, we'll talk more about those guys, but picking number one gives me the keys here to, we're assuming who the franchise savior is going to be for Aaron Glenn and Darren Mojee. Things are so bad right now that, you know, obviously there's bigger combos around that situation, but it's early still. This is going to be a quarterback for me with the number one pick. and my top quarterback in this draft right now is Dante Moore.
Starting point is 00:09:47 There it is, baby. All right. I have been so impressed with Dante Moore. I was really looking forward to, you know, watching him against Penn State because that was our game at NBC. And I did a tape breakdown on him from that game. And not only did he not disappoint, I think he actually exceeded my expectations.
Starting point is 00:10:05 That is arguably the toughest environment in college football. And this isn't all based off of one game. It's the most important game he's played so far. But Dante Moore has been accurate at all three levels of the field this year. I love his pocket presence. He has the mobility to get out of the pocket and throw on the run. For a young player, he does such a good job keeping his eyes down the field when on the move and throwing accurately off platform.
Starting point is 00:10:31 And I think he's somebody that at 20 years old, he's 6.3, about 206 right now. I don't know if he's going to declare. There's already a lot of combo around that. Let's let the season play out. you and I, we have the conversations that we have the ability to have the conversations about. Right now, Dante Moore is eligible, and we're going to assume he's in the draft until he says I'm coming back to school. But this is someone that I think can play at 220 plus, 225. He's a young guy growing into his body. And I think that he's going to fill out that six
Starting point is 00:10:59 foot three frame and has all the physical ability in the world. But I'm so impressed with how smart of a player he is. Yeah. And that's why he's my top quarterback right now. And that would be the Jets. That should be the Jets pick if the draft was today. And so improved, right? I mean, I went back and I watched his game during the summer because honestly, like Max Chadwick from the PFF College channel, he was talking to me about Dante Moore. And I go back to that UCLA tape that he had. And I mean, he looked lost as a true freshman in that UCLA tape. And he looked like he had a lot of work to do. And certainly two years later, two years in that Oregon system, he sat behind Dylan Gabriel last year. He's playing really
Starting point is 00:11:36 well he's playing really confidently pinpoint accurate type of passer true ball placement from him and so it was really impressive to see him get that win against penn state he had a couple of really nice throws in in that game and um he didn't like the world on fire but it was like okay like this kid clearly not afraid of the big moment and he's ready to make throws when his team needs him to and so dante more played very very well um i think that he is in that conversation to be one the first quarterbacks taken in this draft elijah said with the super chat says John Meteer, number one, you cowards. Well, he'd go number one.
Starting point is 00:12:06 We might talk about John Meteer here a little bit. Mark also with the $2 super chat. Said Tyler Cook going number one overall. There we go. I don't know. Tyler's going to, Tyler might have to fight Audrey Guestimate for number one overall at this point.
Starting point is 00:12:17 Actually, he might have to fight Albert Collins. There it is. With one of the plays of the season. Was that peak Leo DiCaprio like pointing at the TV meme when Alfred Collins punched the ball out? It was 100%. I was alone watching the game. just yelling, like, Alfred Collins.
Starting point is 00:12:35 Did everyone, everyone see that? Does everyone see who that was? You're alone in the room. You're just like, did anyone else see that? Thank God the internet exists. I felt vindicated. Yeah, seeing our mentions of all the addicts who went crazy over that play,
Starting point is 00:12:49 which we love you guys for. Okay, so you have the Jets going with Dante more the quarterback from Oregon and number one overall. It puts Cleveland Browns up at number two. You know, I don't have quarterback as a need. for them because they took two quarterbacks in last year's draft. I don't know.
Starting point is 00:13:13 Like, it kind of depends. It depends what you think of Fernando Mendoza or John Meteer, obviously. Like if there's some people out there that really believe that John Meteer is like a number one overall prospect, I'm not there on either of these guys yet. I'm just not. And Cleveland might have one of the best defenses in the NFL. So the top four players on the board right now, Ruben Bain Jr., Caleb Downs, Peter Woods, T.J. Parker, like, they just don't need those guys. Right. They do need Jordan Tyson. And I don't know if a wide receiver or Jordan Tyson specifically is going to go number two overall.
Starting point is 00:13:50 But I know he's a hell of a talented player and I think he'd be wide receiver one on this team next year. The way that Jordan Tyson plays, I thought he was an unbelievable route runner last year when it came to a lot of the intermediate stuff that you wanted to see over the middle. And this year, I feel like he has taken his game truly to another level with Arizona State. He has shown you some of those highlight real catches, those crazy plays, those yards after catch, making those guys miss. To me, he is ascending into, when I watched him last year, I thought, okay, borderline,
Starting point is 00:14:24 wide receiver one, wide receiver two for a team. If he's a wide receiver two for you, probably feel pretty good. I really do think that this guy's a wide receiver one caliber player at the NFL. level. So I'm actually going to take Jordan Tyson here for the Cleveland Browns at number two overall. I love it. I think he's a special talent. I do. I know everybody is kind of looking in this draft and going, where is the high end talents? But Tyson to me, he passes that test. I expected him to grow into this from what I saw over the summer, but I think he's answered it even quicker than anyone could have thought. He's just been marvelous this season. He's gotten better
Starting point is 00:14:55 after the catch. And his ball skills in the air are tremendous. He's a good route runner. I love the pick. So we have a couple of people in the chat. The Browns need offensive linemen. They need offensive tackles. They need offensive guards. I completely agree with you. O-Lion is a massive need for the Cleveland Browns, but it's a good place to insert this part into the conversation. I don't know how you felt rewatching a lot of these offensive linemen. I am overwhelmed right now. I'm doing all my checks for this big board. And there are a lot of guys that have moved down and O-Line is at the top of it. I mean, I still love Jennings Dunker.
Starting point is 00:15:37 Are you going to take a guard in two overall? No, you're probably not. I mean, Quentin Nelson went, Quentin Nelson went six, right? Six, yeah. And even that for an offensive guard is like really high. And I think that Quentin Nelson was a better prospect than Jennings Dunker is for as much as I really like him. But like Spencer Fano really struggled against Texas Tech,
Starting point is 00:15:59 which is his only legit NFL competition that he's gone up against. He looked like he needs to gain weight and needs to be able to maintain blocks a lot better than what we saw in that game. Francis Maui Goa from Miami, I don't want to put words in your mouth. These are my thoughts here. I think he's smooth. I think he's a nice mover, but I think that he kind of lacks that displacement strength. I think you see that in his run blocking grades.
Starting point is 00:16:22 He's just not somebody who really moves people off the line of scrimmage very well, even at the college level. and that's only going to get more difficult in the NFL. Caleb Lomo, I think, was up and down like Spencer Fano was in that Texas Tech game. And then Caden Proctor, I just don't think Caden Proctor's a tackle. Not at all. He's a wide receiver. He is.
Starting point is 00:16:39 He is a screen merchant. He is a Cliff Kingsbury, screen and go merchant. That is what Caden Proctor is. Yes, yes. They ran full back belly to him this weekend, and I was just, I love it. I can't get enough of him. Okay, so the Ravens are on the clock at three. I actually think this is fairly simple.
Starting point is 00:17:01 This is just down to Ruben Bain Jr. and Peter Woods. I know Clemson has had a really disappointing year, but I haven't seen, like, I don't watch Peter Woods tape, and I'm like, oh, man, what happened to this guy? Like when we talked about, like, Dionne Walker last year and Ollie Gordon, he hasn't had that, like, any drop-off like that. The program is just struggling. So Peter Woods is still going to be very high on my rankings.
Starting point is 00:17:23 This will depend on the long term of Matabike, which that injury is very scary, and we don't know what that's going to look. look like beyond this year. I am going to take Ruben Bain because he's the higher ranked player for me at the moment right now. But I think this there's, they'll know a lot more by the time they make this pick if they have to take a talent on the interior like Peter Woods. Bain can play that big end for them with his hand in the dirt if they need him to. So you're also, it's not like you're taking a skinny standup rusher. You're still taking somebody that gives you violence and
Starting point is 00:17:56 run support and can play on the line of scrimmage for you brother you don't have to you don't have to convince me i mean he's been the best player in you know draft eligible player this year probably yeah i mean best player in the country i think he's overall tyler can you can you click uh rubin bayne's name you can still click on it in the simulator what his overall grade what is that a 90 carnage 93.2 i think or no no no it's even higher on the other side let me see point nine overall grade this season 29.9 passers win percentage dude's been a monster against the league so he's not playing he's not playing fcs teams every no he's stepping up against legit competition he is the best player in the country no doubt about it um some would
Starting point is 00:18:45 call him you know like a third of what roy lopez is you know and i think that that's you know that's while lopez shout out to uh these order three two four in the chat with the super chat $2 super chat there. Appreciate it with the Roy Lopez Supremacy Shoutout. So I just had it. I just had to get that in there. Jonathan Peck saying, if the Ravens get Ruben Bain at three, to quote Michael Scott, it's over. We're screwed.
Starting point is 00:19:11 Wait, is that good or bad? Who is screwed? Who screwed? Are you a screwer or screw me? I don't know. Yeah, which one is that? I don't know which one it is here. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:19:22 Well, either way, we're screwed. So somebody screwed. Okay. So, Ruben Bain, going to the Ravens at number three. God, the Ravens at number three. Crazy. Yeah, it won't end that way, but it is now that way. Yeah, but dude, how much better is it going to get?
Starting point is 00:19:38 Lamar will Superman them to wins when he's back. I'm not saying they're going to win 12 games like I initially thought, but it's, yeah. The Miami Dolphins. They might be here. Oh, they're going to be here. where do we start with the dolphins well one of one of the worst guard pairings in the NFL the defense is atrocious they truly can't block anybody and that's a reason why their offense is completely inept oh we got a phone a friend here with bro Shmo oh what's
Starting point is 00:20:14 bro Shmo saying oh shout up bro Tsmow with the $20 super chat thank you bro Shemo swing on a QB and ride right to his contract out to the 26 season or don't he says so just just get them off the or don't you can ride his contract and you know or don't you know those are the two options that we have here swing on a QB man of Dante more the trouble with a Miami Dolphins quarterback pick is I don't know who the head coach can be well and the rest of the team is still kind of bad I mean Tyra Kill is probably not going to be back next year no no he's not you mentioned it with the guard pairings
Starting point is 00:20:55 they don't have a lot of talent on defense yeah right who's going to be the coach man this is tough it is tough and by the way I see in the chat people ask him about Kenneth Grant Kenneth Grant has not been very good by the way no and I mean I'm not saying it's like I'm out on Kenneth Graham I'm just saying someone asked like it's he hasn't helped
Starting point is 00:21:18 one of their biggest weaknesses and that's stopping the run right now Rico Dowell went from 206 yesterday. Hey, respect Rico Doubt. I am. That was the most rushing yards of running back has had in the game this year. Sounds like you're not expecting him. I just, like, you can't let that happen.
Starting point is 00:21:42 Now you're right. Now you're right. I mean, hey, it's your pick. I don't envy you in this spot. It's weird. You can't be right and you can't be wrong. like wherever you whoever you draft is going to help this team
Starting point is 00:21:56 but somebody is always going to be like well you should have done this I think I'll take Mendoza okay I think just because he's he's I mean don't get me wrong man like I like Meteer but Meteer's small and he just
Starting point is 00:22:12 I mean he has to have an unbelievable comeback from the hand injury wrist injury whatever it is because I mean even even what he's showing already, like, I like John Mateer, but I do still think that he's a little bit physically limited for the NFL level. I don't have those worries about Fernando, Fernando Mendoza. Yep.
Starting point is 00:22:34 Let's take Mendoza at 4 for the Dolphins. Let's just reset it with the QB. Now you're up with the Saints at number 5. Okay, so Mendoza at 4. I have the Saints at 5. I'm not going to go quarterback. Go ahead, Trev. I was just going to say, the Saints, who have won a game, by the way?
Starting point is 00:22:49 Won a game, Spencer Rattler's first win. Number one, it's hard for me to sit here and go quarterback right now, and not only in a week they're coming off a win, but they want to get a look at Tyler Shuck at some point. And I don't think they're going to be a one and done. So I'm not going to go quarterback here. Of course, all these conversations can easily change as the season goes on. Like if Shuck starts in a couple of weeks,
Starting point is 00:23:11 which I don't even know if he's going to at this point and just looks lost. And there's a lot that could change. It's not a quarterback pick right now. They're a weird team, man, because there's a lot of different things they could do on defense. I thought the line played a little better against the Giants, considering the line did play better. Both offensive and defensive lines.
Starting point is 00:23:30 Yes. Considering how talented though the Giants defensive line is, I was impressed that the Saints were able to hold up in that spot. I mean, you could. Might be a T.J. Parker pick. Or Caleb Downs, right? Caleb Downs is absolutely in play here. I think Justin Reed just got hurt.
Starting point is 00:23:49 Yeah. But. They have Jonas Sanker, George. I mean, Peter Woods is the pick to me in this spot. Oh, okay. I don't really, yeah, I think they're still, I think they're still thin at detackle or haven't gotten what they hoped at a detackle. Yeah, so Peter, and I just think Peter Woods is, listen, Downs is an amazing player.
Starting point is 00:24:08 I think Woods is a better prospect than Parker by a big enough margin. So yeah, Peter Woods is the pick for me to kind of shore up the middle of this defense. And I think Peter Woods is great, man. His ability to stack and shed, it's just like, once again, this defense, You don't see guys get big numbers in this defense and it's been a down year for Clemson. But I don't think the NFL is going to hold that against him. No, I went back and I watched the first game of the year that they played against LSU. And then who did they just play?
Starting point is 00:24:34 They just played North Carolina. And I went back and I watched both of those games in full. And I'm watching Peter Woods specifically. And it's like, dude, this kid still got it. I mean, he is ragdalling some of these offensive line. And it's, and it is, he still has some very. dominant reps on tape. And so I am not doubting Peter Woods as a potential top five pick in this draft at all whatsoever.
Starting point is 00:24:58 And so I am totally in on this for the Saints being able to do this. Christopher in the chat saying Kenneth Grant's son or Mazzie Smith daughter. Easy. Come on. Give them time. Well, give Kenneth Grant time. Mazzie Smith's kind of already had time. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:25:16 I don't know what to tell you there. We might be cooked there. Okay, Peter Wood's off the board. Raiders up at number six. Boy, they need linebacker help. Very bad. You're thinking about doing it. Who, what am I thinking about doing?
Starting point is 00:25:38 I mean, Arvel Reese has been ridiculous this year. Yeah, yeah. I can't do it. I can't do it this early. No, no, I get it. I think he's got to be Caleb Downs. okay i mean hey just straight up they need help they need help there and he's one of the best players in the draft i think it's straight up gotta be caleb downs um he is just one of the best
Starting point is 00:26:01 players in the draft jeremiah mcoy i think about here as well tyler's getting a little quick on the trigger i see him on the mock draft simulator tyler's getting a little quick on the trigger you got to understand tyler no i'm kidding i'm just messing with you my pick was going to be caleb downs all i'm saying is be careful you got to be careful you you've listened to me talk myself out of picks plenty of times before tyler on this very program so um i i'd think about german mccoy which by the way went back and i watched a lot of these corners the mansoor delane big time stock up for me uh i think that a j harris despite not really getting thrown the ball much at all at penn state i still
Starting point is 00:26:41 really like him i still think he's a really good football player especially on run defense uh avion Terrell is really great for for Clemson. Colton Hood, the other cornerback at Tennessee. He's in my top 50 now. You'll see him on the top 50 of the MBS if you do mock drafts. Jamal McCoy's the best, I think. I went back and I watched his stuff last year just to remind myself how good he is. He's still CB1. He's tremendous.
Starting point is 00:27:08 Imagine when they had that corner duo. My God. Yeah. Kelby with the $2 super chat says thoughts on Carson Beck. he's playing like a first he's i mean he's in this conversation again in my opinion i think that he's in this now top 10 yeah it's a little early a little soon for that but he's playing very well but we start to get to the back end of this first round i'd start to think about it uh start to do it titans at number seven big win against the arizona cardinals this past weekend
Starting point is 00:27:40 cam ward looks like the guy yeah cam ward's that dude What do we do in your car? It's weird because they've invested a lot in this offensive line. This is actually a team where you'd probably start talking about Jermad McCoy or R.Vell Reese. But, yeah, I think the most important thing right now for this team is making Cam Ward look as good as possible. and I get it feels really, really early right now, but I don't want to get too obsessed with the draft slots in October. I'm going to take Carnell Tate here,
Starting point is 00:28:26 which might surprise some people. I get it, seven's early. I'm not, I'm going to be the first to say it. Like seven's early. And they have a big wide receiver in Ellickeyele Manor. Calvin Ridley finally had a big game, but I don't know how long he's in their plans. Just stack the field.
Starting point is 00:28:43 The way Cam Ward plays, you need these big body wide receivers, right? That when the play breaks down, he's going to give these guys a shot. And you could play Elyle-Ele-O-Manor as a power slot with Carnell Tate on the outside. Carnal Tate's body control is out of this world. It's phenomenal. I get it. Seven is going to seem early, but I think Carnal Tate is a perfect fit for what Cam Ward does. and if he wasn't opposite Jeremiah Smith,
Starting point is 00:29:14 this guy would get even more shine. Yeah, I mean, the Buccaneers Seahawks game was evidence enough of just draft Ohio Statewide receivers. Right. It's proven science at this point. It is. Yes. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:29:31 It's as foolproof of an NFL draft strategy as you could possibly have. It's just drafting an Ohio state wide receiver while Brian Hartline. is their wide receivers coach. So, yeah, it's, slency's mad because he thinks this is I-O-Manner, slander. No, no, no, I-O-Manner and Carnell Tate. Imagine the world. It's glorious.
Starting point is 00:29:59 Incredible. Full bellies and clear skies. It's a paradise, to quote Thanos, who obviously was talking about the Tennessee Titans draft in Cammore and then getting Cardinal Tate on top of getting El Gaiomainer as a gem on day three of the 2025 NFL draft. I'd think about at a certainly a trench player there, but again, like it's, yeah, I didn't really have that staring me in the face. Right, right. There's just, yeah, you see there like Spencer Fano, Jannings Dunker, Francis Maui Goa, Caden Proctor, like those guys are options. I like a lot of those guys as day two talents more than I do day one. I really do.
Starting point is 00:30:37 Well, here's the thing, Trevor. I still like Spencer Fano a lot. J.C. Latham is this regime's right tackle, right? Yeah, yeah. I'm not taking a right tackle at seven when I just invested a top 10 pick in a right tackle. So, Carnal Tate. Carnal Tate. All right.
Starting point is 00:30:57 Sorry, Giants, fans. You might have liked that option, although there's still another good wide receiver on the board. Yeah, I was going to say, don't disrespect my boy. He's quite good. Yeah, I'm thinking about Mackay Lemon, the wide receiver from USC here at number eight. I think it's, we just saw this past week, and I don't want to be too hyperbolic about it and too short term, but we saw this week what the wide receiver room without Malik Neighbors was, and it just was not functioning the way that it needed to.
Starting point is 00:31:27 Now they have, Wondale Moore or Wondale Robinson and Darius Sladen have played well at points this season, but do you just feel like you've got to? get an upgrade of a guy in there. I think Buckeye Lemon could be somebody that you think about there. I'd also think about corner, man. Yeah, the Deiante Banks' experience is definitely over. I mean, they got him on point return. Or kick return.
Starting point is 00:31:54 Yeah, kick return. They signed Paulson and Debo, which I like. They got Cordell Flaw. They have Drew Phillips. I really want to pick an offensive player here for them, though. You know, let's go, Spencer Fanon. I know I just said this, but I feel like they have to take a stab at the offensive line.
Starting point is 00:32:17 I feel like they have to. And I still feel like I would take Fanon above the other guys that are here to just take a chance at getting somebody opposite Andrew Thomas, who is worth it for them. And they've been searching that for a while. So Fanu, Fanon struggled against Texas Tech. but let's go, let's go Fano here. You get wide receiver. You get wide receiver on day two.
Starting point is 00:32:43 I like that pick a lot. The Giants still need help on the offensive line. The Bengals at 9 who also need help on the offensive line, they need help all over the place. Can I read you a stat? Yeah, please. All right, hold on. I said this on the PFF NFL show,
Starting point is 00:32:58 but for anybody else who miss it out there, I'm going to talk about the Bengals offensive line really quick because it wasn't enough for me to just say, like, oh, the Bengals' offensive line is bad. The Bengals had a 47.7 overall blocking grade this past week against the Detroit Lions. That's the fifth time out of five games that they have had a team single game blocking grade below 60. So all five of their games this season, their team blocking grade has been below a 60. Since the start of last season, they have only had three games in which their team has recorded a overall blocking grade above 65.
Starting point is 00:33:33 It's only happened three times since the beginning of last year. And since Joe Burrow was drafted by the team in 2020, they have only recorded a team overall blocking grade above 65 in 28 of their 89 games in the regular season with only 11 of those coming over the last three seasons. They have failed. Yeah. They have failed to do their job to build in the trenches.
Starting point is 00:34:03 I just want to share that with you guys. Oh, man, is it frustrating with that team? It really, really is. Nicholas is asking how Mims has been. Mims has been the best one. Yeah. Mims has been the best one. Well, the interior still stinks, it feels like.
Starting point is 00:34:21 Oh, yes, yes. The interior is still bad. The problem is, you know, what, like, I feel like I'm not getting value now in this. spot. The guy I would take that I like the best out of all of them here would be
Starting point is 00:34:40 Francis Malingoa. Okay. If I'm drafting a guy and playing him at guard and saying let's just be let's just keep. Moving somebody to guard, Jennings Dunker Erasure. Yeah, I'm not taking Jennings Dunker at
Starting point is 00:34:55 what am I picking nine? Fine. Yeah. Good. More for me and you. Oh, he's furious. I like their strategy of more big people works for me. But I don't, it's just weird. Like, I don't know how early this is for him right now, as much as I like the player.
Starting point is 00:35:21 I'm going to do it. I don't know why I need to talk myself into this. I'm taking Maui, Maui andoa. Okay. All right. I think he could significantly improve. group, but's been a huge weakness for them. They need to be better in front of Joe Borough.
Starting point is 00:35:33 They are horrific at run blocking for Chase Brown. Yeah. This guy, he checks all of those boxes. I don't know why it took me this damn long to just do, just to make the pick. Adam brings up a really good point. What about another wide receiver? Have you thought about, did you think about that, Connor? Mackay Lemon was in play here.
Starting point is 00:35:50 McIllivan was in play here. They're going to try a new formation where they have Higgins, Chase, Mackay Lemon, Mitchell Tinsley, Andre Yosevas, and Mike Gaseki all out on the field together. Five wide. How about six wide? How about seven wide? We're taking offensive linemen off the field. They're not eligible.
Starting point is 00:36:13 But they're out there. No, no, no. We're lining them up on the line of scrimmage. So they're eligible playing some arena football bullshit, guard center, guard, and the rest are wide receivers. Oh, God. They called me a madman. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:36:35 Let's see. Oh, somebody else said, oh, who said this in the chat? Somebody was asking. Oh, Marvin was asking, what's the order based off of? This is the order if the draft was today. So obviously, Monday Night Football would change the order a little bit on the back end. But this is the draft order as if it was today. So we wanted to get the teams that were bad up at the top.
Starting point is 00:36:55 So it's not a prediction this. is where the draft order would be if we were drafting today. All right. You're taking Maui Noah, the offensive tackle from Miami at number nine, that leaves the Carolina Panthers up at number 10. Panthers. Not going to go quarterback yet. Need to get Rico Dowdell help.
Starting point is 00:37:15 Need to put help around Rico Dowdell. You do. You know what we do. And I don't like your tone. We need to build the plane out of Rico Dowell. And I don't like your tone. you know what did you hear what he said about next week because they're playing the cowboys oh oh revenge game he said something in the line of like they better buckle up i was like yes
Starting point is 00:37:37 i love i do love rico dattle i'm not being sarcastic that's actually incredible yeah the rico dattle revenge game you thought yeah can we can we just get the same broadcast hype videos that we had for micha parsons but it's rico dought instead. That's the real, is it in Dallas? Return to Dallas? It might be, because Dallas was just on the road, so it probably is. Carolina was just hosting. It is it? No, it's at Carolina. Oh, okay. All right. All right. So he's welcoming them into his new house to then,
Starting point is 00:38:14 to then beat the crap out of them. Yep. All right. Somebody said Bryce at wide receiver. All right. I got, okay. Okay. All right. Calm down. The Panthers. They need linebacker. I mean, I guess this picks probably R. Bill Reese from Ohio State. Don't click it yet, Tyler. Thinking out loud. Man, Reese and Sony Stiles have been playing so well.
Starting point is 00:38:46 Those two guys, I had my doubts on when we were kind of coming into, well, I didn't know Reese at all coming into the year. But Stiles, the former safety, moving to linebacker. I'm like, eh, is this kind of just a gimmick thing. But he is really, the thing that I love the most about styles of why he's higher on my board and just a predictive board is he is playing with a level of physical that you do not often see from safeties who are converted to linebacker. So you see a guy who's not afraid to take on blocks, be physical, be strong, and then you're also getting that extra speed in there as well. Rees isn't as much of the coverage backer, but I just think that what he is at the second level as a true athlete,
Starting point is 00:39:27 how much of a difference maker he has been for Ohio State's defense this year is very needed for what Carolina has in the middle of their defense. So I am going to go with Arvel Reese here, the off ball linebacker from Ohio State for the Carolina Panthers at 10. I would have done the same exact thing for the Panthers. Reese's, a pretty rare kind of dude in this era with his size. All right, 11 is the Texans. This is just a horrible spot for me to be in because Fano and Mowingo are gone.
Starting point is 00:39:59 I don't see how this team doesn't take an offensive lineman. I'm really not that high. I'm Proctor as a tackle. It's early for me for literally anybody else. I don't I'm not just going to take an offensive linemen just to take one that just feels I don't know it just feels irresponsible well like trading Laramie Tunsell right maybe we should have had a plan for this and now it's my problem and now it's your problem what the hell is that
Starting point is 00:40:33 thanks guys I didn't even do anything I I I'm gonna take Proctor with the assumption he'll play guard in this spot. But I'm not, I'm not thrilled about it. I'm really, I'm really not. I need to see more at a Cate and Proctor this year. That it isn't full back belly or a screen. So let's hope he can continue to, to roll as Alabama is starting to really roll here. But yeah, for the Texans here, it says tackle and I get it.
Starting point is 00:41:03 This would be another guard pick for me in the top 12 of just getting the biggest humans possible, one in front of Joe Burrow, now one in front of C.J. Straub. Catching up on some of the super chats that we've had, $10 from Ty. We really appreciate it, Ty. Thoughts on Brendan Sorsby. UC's offense has been humming and he's PFF's highest graded quarterback so far this year. Not a first rounder yet, but he has been climbing up draft boards. I would agree with you.
Starting point is 00:41:28 He is somebody that he is first on my list. I wanted to get through a lot of these guys for the watch or for the re-draft or for the re-watch, excuse me, for our big boards. But Sorsby is somebody that I have to get up there because I didn't have high hopes for him coming in the season, but he, He is playing very well, played very well against Iowa State. So definitely have to watch him. I know a lot of people are very big on him, and he's been great on their grades.
Starting point is 00:41:49 Mr. Awesome, $5.00 Super Chat. Appreciate you. Gino has been the worst QB in the NFL by far, and you have the Raiders drafting a safety. Is Genti, this based off of Spitex's terrible, is this based off of Spytex's terrible pick in Gentie? Hold on here. Man, Mr. Awesome is not having a good day. What accusations just getting, I mean, we're firing from the hip.
Starting point is 00:42:12 First of all, Gino hasn't been the worst QB in the NFL. I love any time something starts it, first off, you know someone's pissed. I do that all the time. Whenever I'm in an argument, I go, hold on, first off, and then you know I'm actually mad. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then what you need to do, though, is you need to switch it up. If you say first off, then the second point you go and be. So you like switch to like numbers to let me.
Starting point is 00:42:42 You're just like, all right, a couple of things. A, Gino's not the worst QB in the NFL. Number two, Gentie's a good player, okay? The O-line's playing way worse than they were the year before. They're just kind of figuring it out. I have no idea why Pete Carroll has moved Jackson's Powers Johnson off of the center position where he was actually good last year. Now he's kind of figuring out of guard because he's a good player.
Starting point is 00:43:04 But yeah, Gino's struggling. Absolutely he is. They could take a quarterback, but what was the board at the time? what was the you passed on mendoza i want to say no for the raiders he was gone he was gone i guess he wants mater i'm not just not there with mature yet and if you want and if you want to tell me sellers man i don't we might draft sellers in the first round just because he is uber talented but like sellers still has a long way to go guys he his his i understand the missouri game he had he had i think four big time
Starting point is 00:43:36 throws and they looked awesome but a lot of his reads and production over the middle of the field is not progression stuff, it's not timing stuff. It's just kind of hike, three step drop. Here's a slam. Like a lot of it is just this is what you're supposed to do in structure. It's not a lot of true reading stuff over the middle of the field. He is an unbelievable escape artist when it comes to avoiding sacks. And yet he still has almost a 30% pressure to sack ratio. I mean, again, sellers, so talented, incredibly talented. It's just, it's, it's not like it's this slam dunk. Yeah, I wouldn't think twice about it, picking him in the top 10 type of a player.
Starting point is 00:44:13 So that's how we got to that point. John 5.00 super chat for the Cowboys, please. Only look at defense. It makes me sad that we are wasting a career year from Dak. I'll get there in a sec. Yeah, we'll get there in a sec. We'll get there in a sec. Where are we? Cardinals, 12.
Starting point is 00:44:34 Got to get help for Amari Di Mercado. just keeps happening I mean decision making help unfortunately it just keeps happening I just makes me sad at this point man yeah it actually really bums me out I just because like I hate seeing it because it's like no one feels worse about those plays
Starting point is 00:44:56 right than the guys who it just happened to and I just like I hate I know people like want to get mad and it's crazy and I even tweeted about this like I just don't ever understand how this is in the mindset of anything but like i if if i am a head coach there is one day of training camp during the summer where i am putting on i am i am putting on the powerpoint and it's just it is those plays it's all of those plays don't let this be you don't even think about it don't you even think about it don't you even. I swear, if you think about it. Yeah. And then you let everybody go early for lunch.
Starting point is 00:45:38 That's it. It's a one slide PowerPoint. That's it. That's how I feel. I think a defense is pretty good. I like the safeties. I like Taylor Demerson, despite just an improbable fumble. I'm a Michael Wilson guy, so I still like him. I think you're good at tight end. I'm going to take Jennings Dunker here. Okay. Because where I actually think that the Cardinals need a difference making player is they need an ass kicker in the run game.
Starting point is 00:46:10 And I've been saying this for the last three weeks that they do not have enough difference makers in the run game. Their pass blocking can be all right, but they don't have enough true people movers and mallers in the run game. Jennings Dunker is the best offensive linemen in next class at exactly that. So I actually think that this is a perfect pick for the Arizona Cardinals. 13, the Dallas Cowboys, time to get some help for this defense. I'm going to take Jermad McCoy here.
Starting point is 00:46:48 I think he's the best corner in the draft right now. I think he's physical. He can play man. He can play zone. The Cowboys are playing last I checked. I'll have to check after the Jets game. It was the second highest rate of zone in the entire NFL. They don't really play a lot of man coverage.
Starting point is 00:47:04 I think that is by design of not trusting their guys. I don't think they're just sitting there and going, we never want to play man. I think McCoy would give them an option to be a little bit more versatile. You know, they obviously extended bland. Diggs has not been very good. They need more help in terms of cover guys. Yeah, I would have loved it a game wrecker up front,
Starting point is 00:47:24 but I don't really have a guy of that value in this spot. still in this area, you know, maybe a Cassius Howl, but they, you know, they drafted as a Raku. They want to develop him. They're getting a stopgap solution right now, Dante Fowler. So I'm going to, I'm going to take McCoy, who is just one of the best defensive talents in this draft. I love, I love Jermott McCoy. He's awesome. Iber Fluse better play more man coverage if they have him because he doesn't love to do it.
Starting point is 00:47:55 But it's sort of more of a talent pick at this. point when we're doing mock drafts at this point in the season. Yeah. I mean, real talk, I don't know if Iber Fluse makes it to next year at this rate. That's also very true. That is very true. They had a much better performance against the Jets, which it's the Jets, but yeah, Schottenheimer is carrying this team and Dack is carrying this team. Chats saying the Sadiq is a ram at this point because I'm on the board with the Rams. Well, they just took T-Ferg early last year. Hold on.
Starting point is 00:48:29 I'm not saying, hold on. Maybe they just want the Oregon pipeline, the tight ends. I mean, it's not a bad strategy. You could do worse. You could do worse. I am tempted by, I am tempted by material or Ty Simpson. It's funny you said that I was going to take a quarterback here if I had this pick. I'm tempted by Mateer or Ty Simpson.
Starting point is 00:48:52 and I actually think that Ty has been playing better than Mateer. Boy, he's also playing right now, which helps. Well, obviously, obviously. Yeah, I mean, when you look at last week's stats, Matier didn't even have a completion. He didn't even throw a touchdown. He didn't even throw the ball. They're not even letting this guy throw.
Starting point is 00:49:11 Zero burger on the stat sheet. Meanwhile, Ty Simpson's, you know, taking it to Vanderbilt. That's what I think about scouting. I think I'd take Ty Simpson here I have him ranked ahead of John Mateer if I was going to go for a quarterback but is that what I want It feels crazy that T.J. Parker is still here
Starting point is 00:49:37 because I really like T.J. Parker. Yeah. But I mean, I don't think the Rams would draft him, so I think they like their edge pass rushers. I'm going to go Ty Simpson, man. Okay. I think Simpson's been balling. Now, I, well, hold on, hold on.
Starting point is 00:49:54 I clicked it on mine, so it's over. Did he click it? Did he click got? We both did. You can't go, I'm going to go Ty Simpson here. You can't do that. You can go, I'm thinking about taking Ty Simpson here. I might take Ty Simpson here.
Starting point is 00:50:10 I'm going to go Ty Simpson here. It's not the chef's fault. See that right there? It's a brick wall. And that was the dream of, that was the dream of, of Sadiq and then getting Ty Simpson at 18, a couple of picks later. No, we're going to Ty Simpson. My God. No, Ty Simpson is fine.
Starting point is 00:50:38 I'm the one, I'm the one who said, we're going to go Ty Simpson. That's on me. That's on me. When I'm not controlling the mock draft simulator, I got to be, I got to be better. I got to be more decisive. I got to be more focused. We got to get back to the details. You know, we can't have these self-inflicted things that happen here.
Starting point is 00:50:53 And we just got to be better next week. So tie Simpson to the Rams here at number 14. Imagine accidentally faxing in the wrong pick. Man. All right. The Chiefs of 15. That would be incredible. This is probably as early as we'll pick for the Chiefs in any mock draft we do this year.
Starting point is 00:51:14 Draft out podcast says Trev still finds a way to mess up the MDS without even manning it. We took you away from the steering wheel. It wouldn't be NFLSY if we don't know. No, it's very good. It wouldn't be NFLSY. We did get a super chat here from Lucas Forbes that I want to get to before we lose it. What do you think Fernando Mendoza's ceiling is? Do you think his ceiling warrants a top 10 pick?
Starting point is 00:51:37 Well, Lucas, this show will be posted as soon as it's done. We already drafted Fernando Mendoza. Trevor, you had him go to the Dolphins at four. So the full breakdown is in there. you got your wish uh the chiefs at 15 i mean i screw it i'm going to do it i don't care i'm taking jeremiah love i mean jeremiah love is a monster he's a back that could do everything running and receiving he's physical he can make you miss i i get it maybe by the end of the year the chiefs have some more glaring needs but this is an offense that when healthy and when
Starting point is 00:52:15 right is going to have Xavier Worthy and Rishi Rice. They're just not getting anything out of any of their backs right now. Maybe Breschart Smith could show us something with a little more opportunity down the stretch year. I also won't be shocked if they just like trade for Brees Hall or Alvin Camara. It wouldn't shock me at all. But they don't have either of those guys today. So I'm taking one of the best players on the board, actually my best player on the board,
Starting point is 00:52:36 Jeremiah Love. Yeah. I mean, Jeremiah is fantastic. He is basically what you wanted from. Breschard Smith, except you're getting it in a first round caliber talent prospect. Now, that's not anything against Breschard Smith. I mean, he could still be a part of this offense. But like, I know that Jeremiah Love didn't have a exciting open to the season against Miami.
Starting point is 00:53:00 Anybody who has checked out on him as a prospect, go watch his stuff over the last couple of weeks. My God. The dudes got insane juice. I mean, he is, he really does have difference making NFL speed, agility. and athleticism as a playmaker out of the backfield. Jeremiah Love is the real deal, and he impacts the passing game in a huge way as well.
Starting point is 00:53:23 So he is awesome. Much to the Chicago Bears chagrin. Sorry, I didn't even see that. Now I realize I just screwed what would have been like the most no-brainer pick of the draft. Yeah, that was tough. That's tough for me. Tyler, don't click it yet.
Starting point is 00:53:36 I'm taking Sadiq. I'm just kidding. All right, the Bears. Folks, before we get to the Bears pick, October 10th, World Mental Health Day. This year, we are saying thank you to all the therapists out there. Better Help therapists have helped over 5 million people worldwide on their mental health journeys. That's millions of stories, millions of journeys.
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Starting point is 00:55:40 Let's see. I mean, it's T.J. Parker, right? I mean, it has to be. Yeah, the playoff one for them has not been great. They got the wide receiver. They got the tight ends. They made their changes on the offensive line. I'm not drafting another running back in the first round.
Starting point is 00:55:57 Like, I'm not even close to thinking about that. It's, to me, edge rusher, maybe defensive tackle. You could think about it here. But Parker is another one of those guys where I think there's a lot of people who are disappointed by Clemson's season and understandably. So they don't understand. And like, T.J. Parker is still legit, man. He is still somebody who can rush from a three-point stance, a two-point stance. He plays with power.
Starting point is 00:56:18 He's got fast hands. He's got a variety of different moves to him. To be honest with you, he probably shouldn't be on the board here at 16. But there's a lot of other fits that I do like that have already happened before this. So he gets to this point, I think that he would be a welcomed addition to the Chicago Bears for how talented he is. So we're getting Parker off the board here, number 16. Yeah, no denying that. No argument from me.
Starting point is 00:56:38 I mean, you don't want to, you don't, you want to be careful to not swerve too full. what summer scouting told you because you watched a whole year of tape to get to that evaluation where now you're working off of, you know, not even half a season. But some of it really does matter. It's how I took Dante more, number one overall. But like you just did, Clemson's having a bad season. That doesn't mean T.J. Parker just falls off the mat. So, uh, Logan, Logan's asking, is Parker too small for Dennis Allen's scheme?
Starting point is 00:57:08 I don't think so. Parker's listed it. What? we had a lot of people ask that 6-3-2-60 no no way he's very dense um and he's he's really strong yeah he is not too small for them maybe lengthwise he's not like as as tall or has the arm length that some of these other defensive ends do that have played for a dennis allen system but he plays strong enough for it i'm not i am not worried about that the commander's at 17 so two guys i really like in this spot for them although you couldn't uh i know you really
Starting point is 00:57:40 wanted Sadeek for the Rams, don't you? Wait, who are you? Oh, Washington? The thing is, it's not a slant. Hold on. Whoa, you can't. I'm actually, I'm not going to take, I'm not going to take Sadiq because I think defense is really important in this spot.
Starting point is 00:57:56 Mansour Delane has had a phenomenal season for LSU. That was such a smart decision for him to stay and transfer. I like this. I like, I like, I like Delane a lot. But I think I'm going to take Cassius Howell here and get a pure pass rusher. They had a really good day against the Chargers yesterday, who they have a lot of problems at tackle right now. But I think, I don't know if that's sustainable.
Starting point is 00:58:20 I still need more juice in this pass rush room. And I think Howell is just one of the best pure pass rushers in this draft. And I think that would fit really nicely for Dan Quinn. So I'm going to go with Cash's Howell. So Howell is, if you're looking at the edge rushers, they're still left on the board. You know, it's him, Kelgic Falk, L.T. Overton. R. Mason Thomas. Some people like Quincy Rhodes Jr. The edge rusher from Arkansas as a potential first rounder.
Starting point is 00:58:46 Ramello Hyte from Texas Tech has been unbelievable this season. He has a 21.0 passers win rate, 88.4 passers great against two true pass sets. But he's not going to be for everyone. And specifically in this, in this Washington front, I wouldn't probably have him as a first rounder because he's a little light. He's more of that, more of a little bit of a DPR type of a player, whereas Cassius Howe, Now, I think that we've said this before on this show, I think we said in a stockwatch episode, his arms are short, man. Yeah. 30 inches for an edge rusher. That's pretty much doesn't exist in the NFL, which is pretty crazy.
Starting point is 00:59:24 And yet the numbers are what they are. Right. And if he continues to play with extremely fast hands, a lot of pop and a lot of power and a lot of effort, you can make up for it. Is he going to struggle sometimes when he gets up against those elite? longer offensive tackles, yeah, he'll have some reps where he struggles. But this dude's, this dude's a real deal. And he's showing it for like the third year in a row, by the way. This isn't just a one year one they're playing well.
Starting point is 00:59:54 You pointed out Cassius Howell during summer scouting and you were, you were right on with him. Yeah, great call out though. Like he's going to be, by the way, Mark Hanson in the chat. It's funny. He said Nick Herbig's getting it done with tiny arms, Halokin, too. Trevor and I were texting a couple of weeks ago about this. And I said to Trevor, the only guy I could even think of was Nick Herbig, who has been getting it done.
Starting point is 01:00:16 But yeah, it's an outlier. Some people won't bet on it. Some teams won't bet on it. I just, I think the dude's got the juice and he's got the talent to overcome it. Jonathan says, as a commander's fan, I approve the pick. There we go, Jonathan. Thank you for the super chat and the approval of the pick. I love that.
Starting point is 01:00:33 Appreciate it. Noah, giving us a $5 super chat, which we appreciate you. Thank you so much. Are you sure Chicago doesn't need three tight ends? Having so much fun watching Lovell and do nothing for us every single week. Hey, come on, come on. Come on. Give it time, Noah, give it time.
Starting point is 01:00:45 Colson Loving is still a good football player. I think we missed one from Find a Cure. Find a Cure said, once again, I propose we change. He can host the pod to he could drive the yacht NFL SE Yacht Captain of the Year Award coming. I like the idea. I like the idea. We need to remember all of these bits and like make sure that we are bringing them up
Starting point is 01:01:04 and like have like a yacht captain of the year. the meat fabric player of the year. Like we need to make sure that we are doing this because I feel like the addicts are so good at reminding us of the stuff that's actually funny that comes out of our mouth because we're stupid and we don't remember it just because it's in and out. But that is a good one.
Starting point is 01:01:21 Can he drive the yacht, the NFL SE yacht, which we appreciate it. Dude, I think we got over a thousand people watching this show right now. So salute to everybody who is watching the show, getting in on it live. We really appreciate you guys. And with efforts like that, the NFL SE Y yachts.
Starting point is 01:01:36 could be coming. Could be coming someday soon. Julius, with a $2 super chat, whereas Arch Manning is tight end one, is Lagway tight end two? Julius, I'm going to have you blocked, reported. I'm going to boost your post, Julius. By the way, this is a great time to mention.
Starting point is 01:01:54 Arch Manning is no longer in the mock draft simulator. Oh, wow. I took him out. It would be disingenuous for him to be in the simulator at this point because I watched the Florida, Texas game, very obviously, go Gators. Go George Gumbs. Texas's offensive line is bad, but Arch is also bad.
Starting point is 01:02:15 And we already thought that it was going to be a long shot for him to come out in this draft anyways. And it certainly didn't look like it was trending in that direction. But Connor, if I'm putting him on a big board, I don't really know where to put him. Because the way that he has played five weeks through the season for games, I think, I mean, he'd be drafted in the seventh round. like he he is but but but he wouldn't be drafted in the seventh round because it's archmanning so then if i'm trying to have the the mDS operate at a level that is
Starting point is 01:02:48 usable to subscribers and addicts and fans i just the problem is i don't know where to put it and so i just i took him out i took him out of it and if in january he goes nope i'm going to the league then obviously i'll put him back in but uh he's not in there right now I took him out. I like it. Spencer says, apologies for the lateness here on the show. I was playing in traffic.
Starting point is 01:03:13 It's all good. What's Papa Sycamas weird bed of the week money line on Oral Roberts maybe? It's a great question, Spencer. I actually would like to know because I would like to tail the bed. On Wednesdays, I'll call my dad before the Wednesday episode and I'll see if I can get that like in. I'll be like, by the way, Papa Sycamas a random ass bed of the week. is this. First half under on Campbell University. Lock. It's a lock. I've run the numbers. Hell, I'm looking at the numbers now. Yeah,
Starting point is 01:03:46 I'm looking at the numbers right now. This one's easy. Kenny and Sadiq for the Los Angeles Rams. I think they wanted to get in on the tight end class last year a lot earlier than they did. They just didn't have the ability to do that. Even with Terrence Ferguson on the team, I think that they're going to lean more into that two tight end sets if they have the ability to do so, certainly with Sadiq. Higby's hurt. Is this the last of Higui's contract? I feel like it is. Let's see.
Starting point is 01:04:15 Because again, I know that they, I really know that they have a heavy interest in. Yeah, it is. It has a void year after this. So I think that the Rams are also, they're one of those teams that has, they were the first ones leaning more into the power run game over the last couple of years. And I think that they also want to get in on the 12 personnel party that a lot of the other teams are able to do. So Terrence Ferguson and Kenyon and Sadiq would be a fantastic combination for that. So yes, Tyler, that's that is my official pick.
Starting point is 01:04:45 You can click it. Imagine a 12 personnel party. I feel like you have to wear jorts. You definitely wear jorts or overalls at a 12 personnel party. Yeah, I think not. I think still. I think you're on to something with jorts. I think you're right.
Starting point is 01:05:00 You got, at a 12 personnel party, you've got to show the meaty cabs, you know. Yeah, you do. You're only invited. I wouldn't be invited. I got tiny asking. No, I'm saying my bad cabs. I wouldn't be invited. I don't have the money for implants yet.
Starting point is 01:05:13 So I don't know. Anybody out there in the chat, let us know. Would you be invited to the 12 personnel party? You got some meaty calves. Let's hear from you. Connor, you're up with the Patriots 19. All right, the Patriots at 19 here. Big win for the Pats at Buffalo on Sunday night football.
Starting point is 01:05:29 Big win for the Drake May and Mike Rable era. I still feel like this team. team the offensive line is playing better. I think maybe they get some more bodies on day two. I'm not going to go that direction here. Stefan Diggs had a monster game, but they still need more weapons
Starting point is 01:05:47 for Drake May, more consistent weapons. I can't pass on Mackay Lemon in this spot. He's just such a good separator, and he plays bigger than his size. I know this was your favorite receiver over summer. Hell yeah, brother. It feels like somebody that
Starting point is 01:06:03 they could really use, honestly. that you could trust. And Diggs isn't going to, you know, we'll see. You know, Diggs is playing at a high level right now, considering he's coming off an ACL in his age. But you also have to think about getting another young receiver in that room that you can lean on. And that's exactly what Lemon is.
Starting point is 01:06:21 Yeah. I think, you know, the wide receiver room for the Patriots has played better. But I still think that Mike Lemon, like, could be the wide receiver one, you know, like on this team. this is a good value in the spot for new england if they were really picking at 19 yeah it really is um you know they could go defensive line i can't remember who in the chat was talking about uh potential edge rusher here maybe you think about like i don't because l t overton and and i guess it would be keldrick falk i guess you would just be betting on the the athletic isn't a pop and for him to be a better
Starting point is 01:07:01 past richer than we've seen so far in his college career, but I mean, Romero height, Ramele Heights, Rameson Thomas, maybe getting to this conversation here. There you go. Yeah, good. Okay, the Denver Broncos at 20.
Starting point is 01:07:18 Hmm. They need linebacker badly. But I don't know. I don't want to take so many styles at 20. I like him, but I don't like him at 20. Tight-end class has been good from a depth perspective, but I don't think I'd take any of these guys in the first round that aren't named Kenyan Sadiq.
Starting point is 01:07:49 Man, I might just go best player available for them. Or, oh. I'm thinking about Chris Brasel here at 20. Yeah, he's been excellent. He has, so I want to, I don't know if we're going to get him off the board here, but I want to, I want to expand upon when we first brought him up for Stockwatch. I think he was two weeks ago. I watched the Syracuse game from him, and then I watched the George. Georgia game. Yep. And it was right off the Georgia game, I think. Right, right. And I watched the
Starting point is 01:08:36 Syracuse game. And I'm not going to lie. Like, I didn't love the Syracuse game. I felt like he was kind of disinterested when he wasn't getting the ball. I felt like he just, he didn't really have that same sort of juice, especially when he knew that he was the vertical, um, sort of like F off route, as they call it, where he's just clearing the space for somebody to get a catch underneath him um he just it was very hot and cold that game and i watched the georgia game and i go okay i like the georgia game but that's one game and i go i still can't get the syracuse game the taste of that out of my mouth i watched the mississippi state game and like dude this this kids this kid's got the juice man he can run for a big tall wide receiver and he can cut and move
Starting point is 01:09:21 you know who he reminds me of martavis bryan wow throwback he's got he's got like that same sort of build to him. He could go up and be a contested catch guy, but he can also give you some yak if you get some green grass. That like build up long-legged kind of running. Yes, yes. And when Martavis Bryant was in his prime, like he was an effective difference-making player for the Pittsburgh Steelers.
Starting point is 01:09:49 So I just sort of wanted to make sure that brought that part up. I'm not going to take him actually... I'll go Connor Lou. We'll go Connor. There it is. I still think Connor Lou is going to be a damn good player. He hasn't played as well as I thought he was going to this year, but he he's still a guy who I think could be a difference-making center in this league.
Starting point is 01:10:12 So I'm going to go with Connor Lou here for a team that really is set in a lot of different ways with the Broncos. All right. Connor Lou, let me get him off the board here. The Chargers at 21, their offensive line depth is. just been tested at a ridiculous rate right now and definitely you know you're not going to draft based off of joe wall getting her rishan slater getting her i think this is a team that they do need help long term at edge pass rush it feels like right now the question is do you go with somebody you know that's like a typical pure pass rush you're in the full
Starting point is 01:10:54 mold of David Bailey, Romello Hight, your boy R. Mason Thomas fits that. Or do you kind of go with a big, heavy-handed edge in the Keldrick Falk mold for the Chargers? I think they would go Keldrick Falk. That's what I think, too.
Starting point is 01:11:10 It feels like they would probably go try to find that DPR later on, maybe, or even in free agency. Yeah. But when you're investing a top 25 pick, you kind of want somebody that lives on the field every down right away. Right. So I'm going to take Keldrick Falk in this spot.
Starting point is 01:11:25 Okay. I think this is a good pick. Keldrick Falk, he has been a good football player this year. He has been better in pass rush, although, again, I kind of think that his pass rush has been a lot of just that first step explosion this and that speed to power from him. I still want a little bit more finesse from him. Catching up on some super chats here. Randall saying over under Green Bay trades up for a defensive lineman. Oh, my gosh.
Starting point is 01:11:49 They're trying to get Green Bay into this mock draft. Dude, I've seen this and I haven't responded. just demon mode paying to get Green Bay into the mock draft I respect it but do you know how happy we were that Green Bay is not in mock drafts this year any Packers fans who's watching this and might not get the joke we we just sweat every time because it feels like we always make the wrong pick for the Green Bay Packers and obviously with them trading for Michael Parsons they don't have a first round pick this year um what positions have the most depth this year.
Starting point is 01:12:24 Ooh, what position is going to have the most depth this year? Defensive line, I feel like is, there's a lot of defensive line. I feel like there's a lot of corners as well, which bodes well for what Green Bay would need, to be honest. I think Green Bay is going to have the chance to get a really good corner in the second round, to be honest with you. What's helped is we've had a lot of breakouts on the D line. Like, yeah, a Mori Washington I saw is in the MDS pretty high.
Starting point is 01:12:48 Yep. He had a really good game against Penn State. Caden McDonald's, who you brought up as a Stockwatch guy, he's had a really, really good year for Ohio State, a defense that's replaced seven starters and looks better. There's been a lot of good breakouts on the defensive line on top of all the guys we really liked over summer scouting. So, yeah, that would be my answer as well. McFarland saying, walking the dogs playing pickleball with my little sister, great time for the pod.
Starting point is 01:13:10 Hell yeah, love that. Nice. That's a good, that's a nice evening. It is a very nice evening, especially the weather starting to turn. That's the best, best month of the year, undisputed. Lindsay is saying, super chat for $2, we appreciate it. Thank you. For the lemon pick, this is what we call manifesting.
Starting point is 01:13:26 All right. So the people like the lemon pick to the Patriots. There we go. A rare W for me amongst the New England fans. I'll take it. Peyton $2 super chat, Conradleu for the Broncos. Well, I got good news for you. It happened.
Starting point is 01:13:40 Parker, the $10 super chat. Wow. Can somebody explain to me why Harold Perkins isn't a consensus, no-brainer first round pick? Parker. Used to me. So Harold Perkins, I love that he's playing well this year. as that QB spy sort of free-flowing linebacker,
Starting point is 01:13:56 that sort of like apex defender, he's fantastic. He is playing certainly better this season, you know, coming off of the injury, and it's great to see. The reason why he's not a first-round pick is because the true position label for the NFL level is a bit of a mystery. Now, there's going to be some defensive coordinators that are going to be much more comfortable getting him into sort of
Starting point is 01:14:13 maybe an amoeba second level where he could be on the high of scrimmage, off the line of scrimmage, but he doesn't really cover like an off-ball linebacker the way that you would want him to. As an edge rusher, he's been great throughout his career, but he's light. He's, what is he, like 220? 222, yeah.
Starting point is 01:14:29 2, 220, something like that. So as an edge rusher, that is outlier, if you're going to be at that edge rusher type. And then in coverage, he's great when things are in front of him. You know, he can hunt and chase the running back in the flats for a tight end that might be screaming out to the sideline, like right off of the line of scrimmage. Like, he can do those things.
Starting point is 01:14:46 And he's a good QB spy as well, but true dropbacks in the coverage. That's sort of where you get value. for an off ball linebacker, that there's just question marks of tweener size or ability when you get him into the pro level. So that would be my explanation.
Starting point is 01:15:01 Connor, anything to add to that? No, I think you nailed it. The NFL is kind of trying to figure out where he's best at and what value that holds is the best way I could say it because it's tough to play in the box at that size at the NFL level.
Starting point is 01:15:17 Guys are doing it now. The league has changed in terms of how the linebacker position is, but yeah, I'm with you all the way. He's not in the first round right now, but how many all pro linebackers have we seen get taken outside of the first round over the years? So the Minnesota Vikings are up here at number 22.
Starting point is 01:15:40 It's hard to evaluate the Vikings because they're just really hurt. Now, Ryan Kelly's on IR for a concussion. It might be done for him. uh he's over the age of 30 he's suffered concussions before yeah unfortunately a lot i i wonder if i wonder if it's done for him now so that to me brings like does jake slaughter kind of come into the conversation because i actually think that he would be perfect as his own blocking scheme center for them but are you going to take that here at 22 probably not um i mean obviously you can think about quarterback if you don't believe in J.J. McCarthy, but I'm not going to do that.
Starting point is 01:16:24 Yeah, it's hard to convince yourself they would do that. Am I crazy to be lean and D-lined here? No, they got blown off the ball against the Steelers. And Judkins, Judkins ran well against them too. I don't think of Caleb Banks or Amari Washington. I don't think that's insane at all. Let's go Amari Washington. I'm going to go Amari Washington, the defensive tackle from Oregon.
Starting point is 01:16:56 I just got him on the big board recently. Number four on Feldman's freak list because of some insane athleticism. So, dude, I don't know if you realize this. So he's listed at 6.3, like 330, 340. Feldman says that he has a 36th vertical jump at 340 pounds. That would be 99th percentile for a defensive tackle, let alone a defensive tackle that's weighing 340. Yeah, that's absolutely. insane and you absolutely see that in the first step now he's explosive yeah he bases everything he
Starting point is 01:17:27 does around just his first step so he needs to be more technically refined but in terms of like raw athletic ability man this kid uh it's there for him he's just got to put it all together i don't know where i'm going to have him when it comes on my big board but i know a lot of people like him and he's got the juice to potentially be a first round pick so let's go omari watson here for the Vikings. That's a fun pick. He's a little hot and cold. Like you turn on the Penn State game against the run and there's plays where they didn't stand a chance because of what he did. And if he taps into more moments like that, he'll ascend into the into the first round. Shout out, Axelron for the super chat. Connor, what flavor uncrossable you rock in tonight? I saw a lot of this in the chat.
Starting point is 01:18:10 Sadly, I forgot to bring my uncrustable up to my office. And it sucks because I am really hungry right I was going to say for a longer show. What are you doing? I totally just. What are you doing out here? I fed Gracie and I didn't worry about myself, a true selfless dog owner. By the way, I'm exposing myself a little bit here because you brought up pets. Right before we went live, my wife texted me a picture of, so we have a little dog, we have a golden doodle. And I grew up with cats.
Starting point is 01:18:39 I love cats. And I think that my wife would love having a cat, but her dad, my father-in-law is allergic. so we've, we've never really gotten one. And you guys are boys. Oh, yeah, yeah. I know. And he comes over all the time. It's not like he visits twice a year.
Starting point is 01:18:55 Right, no, no, no. He lives close to us. So, like, it wouldn't happen. He texts me a picture, two different pictures. One of them is of my dog in the kitchen, staring up at her. And there is a, and there is a kitten standing next to him. And then she sends me another picture of another kitten that she is holding. And she just sent, and she just says, well, and I text her, like, I get off the PFF NFL show.
Starting point is 01:19:21 And I'm like, frantically, I'm like, we have a cat now? What happened? She's like, yeah, they were literally just outside the house and they like naturally came in. So like, now we have two cats. And I'm like, what is going on? There's no way. And I'm like, I'm like freaking out like. And then she goes, well, it was funny to see in live time how much you're going to get
Starting point is 01:19:43 scammed by AI in the future. Oh, my God. Oh, my God. That's a problem. I'm going to get the show these two pictures. It looks, it's, it's completely real. The cats have shadows in the pictures. That's scary.
Starting point is 01:20:01 Don't, don't come at me saying I'm falling for AI like I'm 77 years old. The cat's got goddamn shadows in the picture. Oh, man. And she's out here. trying to prank me with a gotcha. We're screwed folks. We're actually, this is the end of society.
Starting point is 01:20:19 We're screwed. Like you'll just be watching an AI Trevor and an AI Connor pretending, you know, like, well, I guess they're not pretending. They will be doing a mock draft and you and I will have to pay our electric bills by doing some other kind of work. No, AI is going to pay it for it. Or, yeah, they have to pay for our rights. Yeah, exactly.
Starting point is 01:20:41 Exactly. Exactly. No, this is the future, actually. Just getting paid licensing rights to use our likeness, and we don't actually have to do the content. Short round said, the true end of society is when the triple option dies. That's, that's well done, my friend. All right, so you took Amari Washington to the Vikings.
Starting point is 01:20:59 Yep. I have the Seahawks at 23, who, this is a weird one because I like this secondary a lot, a lot of things about. it. I feel like we're kind of getting to the end of the Rik-Wollen era there. Yeah, he's hurt and there's been talk of him, you know, on the trade block. So I could see it. And I think it's so important to what Mike McDonald does that I am going to take Mansour Delane. Nice. Yeah. Now, you know, obviously they have some other needs, but I think Delane fits so well with them and is a need in that spot. And man, his, I've been so impressed. He was a
Starting point is 01:21:39 victim of giving up a lot of touchdowns this last year at tech and he's just his awareness, his confidence so different this year at LSU. Great decision to go back and he's made himself a lot of money so far. So you took Jermon McCoy for the Dallas Cowboys number 13. Right. Again, I don't want to go linebacker here. I just don't love any linebacker in the first round. You think they, you think they extend George Pickett? Yeah, yeah, I do. It's going to be a lot of money tied to two wide receivers. I don't blame him.
Starting point is 01:22:15 He's been great. Yeah, but I do. I think that they'll sign both of them. I think this is their long-term strategy with not signing Micah. Yeah, yeah, I think so. Okay, that changes things for this pick then. That's not a consideration. I think I'm going to go Caleb Banks here.
Starting point is 01:22:36 You know, Jerry wants big defensive tackles. I could stop the run. And I mean, they need to be able to do it. And Banks has only played 27 snaps this year, I think. He's been out with an injury. I think Christian Miller is also an option for them. Miller for Georgia has been awesome. I think Caden McDonald, the run defender from Ohio State,
Starting point is 01:22:55 like I think he's also in the conversation here. He's phenomenal. Dante Corleone's been a monster again in run defense this season when he has been out there and healthy. Big Citrus hasn't had quite the year that we've wanted him to have, but that's okay. I think CJ fight, probably those guys aren't in that first-round conversation, but Banks, Miller, McDonald, are the three that I would think about here for the Dallas
Starting point is 01:23:20 Cowboys to get better to run defense. Hmm. I got Banks ranked higher. I think I'd go Banks. Yeah, I was so high on him over the summer. Him being hurt isn't going to change that. Yeah, yeah, we're going, we're going Caleb Banks here. more gators more gators on the d-line for him that's what they do just
Starting point is 01:23:41 steeler's at 25 this is a fun pick i'm taking jama tier and not thinking twice about it we don't know if aaron rogers will be back next year great pick it doesn't matter even if he is great pick i mean we'd talk about a guy that would just fit the identity of that city and really lean into it jama tier is awesome and they can play with arthur smith a really run heavy approach They're playing right now. Run the ball, quick game. That's the offense with Aaron Rogers. You can do the same exact thing with a young John Mateer try to develop him.
Starting point is 01:24:18 Okay. Do you know how to say the Penn State offensive lineman's last name? No, I was going to ask you. Vega I own. Is that how you say it? Seems close. I think that's how you say it. He's been awesome.
Starting point is 01:24:32 Been a monster. I thought that he struggled a little bit last year. I think he looked a little bit heavy, but man, I don't know if it's just the anticipation. He's playing with a lot more confidence, but he is, I mean, he is playing so well. Tyler, if you want to click on, he's the offensive guard for Penn State. So he's an interior offensive lineman. You guys can see the numbers that he has there. Really high run blocking grade, even in gap and zone.
Starting point is 01:25:00 He's got that versatility to him. He's been great in pass blocking as well. And let me tell you, I would have talked about him. If I wasn't talking about him here on this show, I would have talked about him on the biggest risers. And I'll probably talk about him again, the hands with him. I mean, he's fantastic at not only getting his hands up quickly, but when he gets his hands up quickly and the defensive lineman,
Starting point is 01:25:22 you know, breaks the hands, whatever, he is immediately just back to relatching, reworking the hands. I've really been impressed with him. So Vega's been fantastic. and I'm just a I'm a big fan of his this they I gave the Cleveland Browns Jordan Tyson at the top and if they get Vega here at 26 I mean these are two legitimate starters next season on their offensive line and in their wide receiver room so I'm taking him here I've been so impressed with how he has played this season all right so I found a pronunciation guide in a
Starting point is 01:25:57 game manual because it's not on his player page which Penn State should definitely update Olai Vavanga, Yawane. Yawane? That's this guide says. Okay. All right. Yeah, Yonne. So Olai Vovanga, Yawane.
Starting point is 01:26:20 Well, I got to put that in our guide. Kevin, we're going to be saying this name a lot. Kevin Stifansky, you better get used to saying it because he's the pick here. All right. I like that pick. They need help on the offensive line. You got some value. you later on. Nice job by the Browns, capitalizing on the extra picks.
Starting point is 01:26:37 The Bucks. So we had a super chat. Sorry that I lost the name. I do feel really bad, but asking me to get a pass rusher in this spot, which makes sense. There it is. Yeah. Thank you, Jeff. Connor, I need you to get the Bucs a linebacker or pass rush demon. Sorry, I undersold that. I got to find a pass rush demon, not just a pass rusher. I got one for you. Okay, hit me. Plays to Oklahoma right now. I mean, why not, right? And he just kind of, he steps into the Hassan Reddick role for the long term. Yeah. I was wrong about R Mason Thomas. I don't know why I had him at like Edge 14 or whatever I did. Look, it's one of those things where
Starting point is 01:27:14 you watch a player and there are times when I'm plenty guilty of this as well. You just look at a guy and you go, okay, the grades aren't great. He doesn't have a super high passers win percentage. He's small. He's not the biggest guy. That's all right. Yeah. Like how high is this guy going to go? and it's just I I sort of saw him from a half glass full also knowing that he was I think he was a Feldman freak if not like I had heard about like okay this dude gets off the ball it just an insane rate and first step explosiveness is such an important trait for rushing the pastor especially when you're a little bit smaller so um yeah I mean he was he was an animal in the second half of that armoring game uh obviously you can see he was an animal against Ken state playing like a bat out of hell now but uh Yeah, I love this dude. I think that he's great. So there you go, kind of a fit for that role in Todd Bulls' defense.
Starting point is 01:28:05 Yes, yeah. Speed on the edge. Lions should honestly just forfeit the pick. They're just such a good team. I love this organization. Just out of respect to competitiveness around the league. No, keep going. Screw everyone.
Starting point is 01:28:25 Yeah, I mean, that's that's sort of where we're at right now. Taylor Decker and. The injury seems kind of like a big deal. You think at some point, this is a team that's going to have to get younger in some places on the offensive line, which they've started that process already. Totally. Yeah, they have. With Tate Ratledge, who was also now bang in up.
Starting point is 01:28:43 Maybe offensive tackle. Honestly, corner, though. I mean, Terry and Arnold is struggled. DJ Reed. And now he's hurt. I are. Is he on IR? He's hurt, too.
Starting point is 01:28:56 It's happened to them last year. Everybody on defense got hurt. I mean, you just need, you just need more corners. I'm going to give them a corner. Colton Hood time? AJ Harris. I'm going to take AJ Harris because he is a pretty fierce and willing run defender. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:29:18 And I think that's what this team is going to want to lean heavily into. So he really, AJ Harris has not gotten a lot of action this year. They just have not thrown him the ball. ball um and i think that he has been pretty close in his coverage i like his his twitchiness i like his first step explosiveness um yeah i'm going to take him here i think he's more of the lion's type especially for how good of a run defender he is so i'm going to go with a j harris the corner from penn state as the pick here for the detroit lions all right the bills are on the clock they need some more help on defense it feels like in this spot and honestly joey boasts is on a
Starting point is 01:29:58 one-year deal. So you could even argue that maybe they need some edge help as well after this. Oh, yeah. There's not that elite safety on the board in this spot that I like. You know, Matalano is getting up there too in terms of injuries and not writing him off right now, but I'm thinking long-term with this pick. I actually think I'm going to take Sunny Stiles here. Oh, so you are getting him in the first round. Yeah, I know. It seems kind of crazy, but he's played that well and he they they love that speed in the middle of the field in their defense they always try to add speed in the middle of the defense former safety like you said at the top of the show yeah yeah so both ohio state linebackers deservingly going to the first round and as pointed out
Starting point is 01:30:41 in the comments thank you colin milano will be a free agent i mean i'm sure if milano wants to keep playing that bills and him like find common ground because he's he's just like one of the guys there I don't think he'd chase the money elsewhere. He's just one of the fellas, you know. He's one of the fellas. He's one of the guys. He's just one of the fellas. Credits of the bills.
Starting point is 01:30:58 They've built that culture. I love that shout out by Drake Holiday in the comments, though, bringing up Chris Bell. Because Chris Bell has been awesome. I do think he's a first round caliber wide receiver. It does feel like they need that explosive dynamic threat. But I also think they paid Josh Palmer to be that. And they want to see if he could find his way to be that consistently. For sure, for sure.
Starting point is 01:31:20 Hi. Don't think that Chris Bell is a first round wide receiver. But we can talk about that more. Well, you see, still not right now. So you might not be today. It's only three picks left. Episode of the program. All right.
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Starting point is 01:32:54 Oh, I missed this one from Cooper, $5 super chat. Sawyer Robinson. Could he be a jet? I like him a lot. Would want him, would want high-end talent at number one, though. Well, Sawyer Robinson wouldn't be going number one if you're talking to No.
Starting point is 01:33:06 I think Sawyer Robinson is much more of like a day three quarterback to be. Yep. Me too. I did like him over summer, though. If you missed it Cooper, Trevor and I talked a lot about Sawyer Robertson or Summer Scouting episode as well. And when we update quarterbacks, we usually do that in like to We'll talk about them again.
Starting point is 01:33:23 Axel $5 super chat. Love you, appreciate you. Are the Seahawks trading reek woolen? Maybe. Kind of sounds like good. We saw how light their cornerback depth was on Sunday against the Buccaneers. It's very true. It's why Connor went with Mansour Delane there for them in this first round.
Starting point is 01:33:39 Jeff with the $5 super chat, he was asking for a pass-rish demon. And now he says, thank you for the demon. Watching every O-line that we have played dominate our edge rushers over the past year. Three years has not been fun. Yeah, our Mason Thomas would, I think, be a lot of fun in Todd Bulls defense. Okay, the San Francisco 49ers, man, how is this team picking this late? That's crazy to me. Coaching?
Starting point is 01:34:04 No, you know, obviously it's coaching. Alfred Collins? Yeah, Alfred Collins. That's on me, actually. You're right, you're right. Alfred Collins being on the squad is actually a big reason why that's the case. Okay, they got Jee or Brown, they have Jason Pinnock, they have Markis, Mark a Siegel.
Starting point is 01:34:27 I feel like they need, like, guard or center or something, you know? Yeah, the line, the line does need some help. That's what I would, that's what I would think. Let's see. Offensive tackles, none of those guys are going to kick inside. I mean, I really liked what I saw from Notre Dame's offensive line and Charles Jaggs saw last year. Right.
Starting point is 01:34:54 In the little bit that we saw him, but he barely played last year and he's barely going to play this year. So I just can't take him in the first round. I don't think Xavier Chaplin's a first round caliber player. I don't think J.C. Davis is going to get in that conversation either. If Iyuk's injury is as bad as it feels like it is with him, like, we're not hearing any sort of progress. I'd think about Chris Brousel here
Starting point is 01:35:22 because that's the mold. If they let Joanne Jennings walk? Yeah, because isn't he a free agent? Yeah, he wanted a new contract. And they were like, we don't have one. I think I'm going to take Chris Brousel here. I don't think it's crazy.
Starting point is 01:35:42 The problem we're going to have with these mock drafts, Trevor, I could already see, is that a lot of teams always need offensive line help. And there's just not. Not many. Not right now. The demand outweighs the supply by a dangerous margin. Yep.
Starting point is 01:35:55 Yep. I agree with you. Colts a 31. We got some good. Maybe on Terrell is still on the board. It's pretty much slammed on. Colton Hood, maybe. Yeah, I like, I like hood a little better than Terrell.
Starting point is 01:36:07 I don't like, he's a small corner that. Well, okay. All right. All right. Okay. All right. Oh, no. Okay.
Starting point is 01:36:14 All right. Okay. Yeah, I said what I said. I don't care. It looks like we are going to get Colton Hood in this mock draft. Okay. I love that straight up is in the chat in all caps. No.
Starting point is 01:36:33 Stop trying to make it happen. Talk to people about Colton Hood a little bit. So Colton Hood, I just started watching a week ago because he's popped off so much. And man, I don't know if it's just how they're coaching and developing these DBs, but you see the patience, you see the awareness. he's a good enough athlete to open up and run with wide receivers down the field and he knows how to disrupt routes. I've been really, really impressed in a spot where, you know,
Starting point is 01:37:01 they're missing there arguably one of the, maybe the best corner in the country, honestly, in Tremont McCoy. And Hood has really stepped up when they've needed him most. So, and he kind of fits to me what, um, oh my God, the GM that's been there, a million a million.
Starting point is 01:37:19 Oh, Chris Ballard. Chris Ballard looks for at defensive back. Like he wants that size. Ballard obviously covered the SEC, like the Southeast for a long time. And I mean, this is somebody that I think is probably going to weigh at the combine like 205 while being almost six feet tall. It's a pretty, pretty well built corner as well that's fine in the football as well. So, yeah, I like him a lot. He's my biggest riser when I update him.
Starting point is 01:37:48 my corner rankings for our big board. I'll tell you where I had him amongst corners. Yeah, I had him pretty high. Yeah, I mean, him and Keith Abney were my team. Keith Abney's also good. Heath Abney's phenomenal, and he's playing at an extremely high level. I had him and Keith Abney side by side, only behind McCoy. Xavier Scott's hurt, so I don't really know what to do with him right now,
Starting point is 01:38:12 as much as I liked him a lot over summer. Mansour Delane actually was the biggest riser. He went all the way up to three. a j harris but then abney and hood so yeah yeah really good seasons from that i think hood's have a hell of a year and to be honest with you if you didn't take hood i i may have actually appeased packers fans and had them trade up with the eagles of 32 to take secondary that they actually need that they would actually pick but they wouldn't the the packers wouldn't take avionterell because like connor they hate short kings so they wouldn't do that if they had to pick here
Starting point is 01:38:42 they certainly wouldn't trade up for them um eagles Connor eight short gangs from Nick All right The Eagles here at number 32 Somebody in the chat was saying It would be hilarious for them to take Lenora Sellers And I think if the Lenore Sellers would hear It was here I think that they would actually do that
Starting point is 01:38:58 But I'm not going to do that I'm instead going to take Denzel Boston Simply because I don't know How much longer H.J Brown's going to be there, man How long can this go on? I don't know Not much longer
Starting point is 01:39:13 That's what I'll tell you Denzo, Denzel Boston, six foot three, six foot four, two hundred and ten pounds. I mean, this dude's awesome. So there we go, folks. For the audio only people, I'll recap it for you, as you guys can. What a guy. See the draft there. Oh, no, I just realized I have to say Vegas last name by doing that.
Starting point is 01:39:32 Well, dug my own grave here. Hold on. Hold on. Hold on. What? Wait, yeah, I'll wait until I get to 26. And then I'll call you in. Connor picked Dante more of the quarterback from Oregon for the New York Jets, number one, Jordan Tyson, wide receiver from Arizona State, went number two to the Browns.
Starting point is 01:39:47 Rubin Bain Jr., the eddressure from Miami, going three to the Baltimore Ravens. Fernando Mendoza, quarterback from Indiana, going four to the Dolphins. Peter Woods, the defensive tackle from Clemson, going five to the Saints, scaled down, safety from Ohio State, going to the Raiders at six. Carnal Tate to the Titans at number seven,
Starting point is 01:40:02 the wide receiver from Ohio State, Spencer Fano, the offense attack from Utah, going to the Giants at eight. I think I just messed that up, seven and eight, but whatever. Francis Maui Noah, the offensive tackle from Miami, going to the Bengals at nine, Arvel Reese, from Ohio State to the Panthers at 10.
Starting point is 01:40:16 Caden Proctor, the offensive tackle from Bama to the Texans at 11. Jenny's Dunker, the guard, I think he's a guard from Iowa, going to the Cardinals at number 12. Jamar McCoy, the corner from Tennessee to the Cowboys at 13. Ty Simpson, the quarterback from Alabama, going to the Rams at 14. Jeremiah Love, running back from Notre Dame, going to the Chiefs at 15. T.J. Parker, edge rusher, Clemson, to the Bears, a 16. Cassius Howell. Edge rusher from Texas A&M to the commanders, the 17.
Starting point is 01:40:40 Kenyon, Sadeek, the titan from Oregon, going to the Rams at 18. Mackay Lemon, the wide receiver from USC, going to the Patriots at number 19. Connor Lou, the center. I could be safety, I guess. Let's see it'll go. Connor, Center safety. Yeah, watch out, Travis Hunter. There's a new sheriff in town.
Starting point is 01:40:56 Oh, yeah, or maybe OSMPIC Connor Lou can play safety. He's going to the Broncos at number 20. Keldrick Falky, edge rush from Auburn, going to the charges 21, Amari Washington, defensive tackle from Oregon, going to the Vikings at 22. Mansour Delane, the corner from LSU to the Seahawks, 23. Caleb Banks, defensive tackle from Florida, the Cowboys. at number 24. Sorry, Packers fans. That's where your spot would have been.
Starting point is 01:41:15 John Mateer, the quarterback from Oklahoma and going to the Steelers at 25. All right, what's his name? Connor. Oliva Vanga, Yawane. There it is. Also, sorry Packers fans. You got Micah Parsons, so you're not in a mock draft.
Starting point is 01:41:28 Yeah. It's wrong with this guy. They'll be okay. They'll be okay. Chat is loving your speed, though. They'll go, the guard from Penn State, going to the Cleveland Browns number 26.
Starting point is 01:41:38 Armason Thomas, the Eddresser from Oklahoma, going to the bucks of 27. AJ Harris, the corner from Penn State, going to the Detroit Lions at 28. Sonny Stiles, the linebacker from Ohio State, the Buffalo Bills of 29. Chris Brasel,
Starting point is 01:41:48 the wide receiver from Tennessee, going to the Niners at 30. Colton Hood, the cornerback from Tennessee, going to the Indianapolis Colts at number 31. Denzel Boston, the wide receiver from Washington, going to Philadelphia Eagles at number 32.
Starting point is 01:41:59 Could be an auctioneer. Yeah. That's what the chat was saying, and I agree. Very well done. I like Charlie in the chat saying, being in the mock draft it's more important than Super Bowls.
Starting point is 01:42:10 Targets for the Falcons in the second round. What would the Falcons see in this? second round. Maybe offensive line. Yeah, it's been bad this year. Depending on what you do with Kyle Pitts, I think you could dip into the tight end class as well. We got Max Claire, Jack Endries, shoot, Michael Trigg, maybe in that conversation at this point. Like, you got a lot of tight ends you can think about. So I think that's something that you would get into the conversation with the Falcons. And then for the Green Bay Packers, I think that we talk about corner. I think dipping in this cornerback class, I think would be
Starting point is 01:42:39 something. Keith Abney. Keith Abney. Could be great. for it. Yeah. There's no doubt about it. Charlie's saying this in all seriousness, you guys are awesome. Thanks for all the content and the laughs. I know a lot more about football because you guys. That's $8.00 for chat. I appreciate you guys. Appreciate everybody who got in the chat. Watch this live. We're going to go live every time at 430. We're going to try to make sure that we're going live every Monday and Wednesday at 430. If you missed this episode or, well, obviously you're listening to it now. But like, if you're not always able to tune in at 430, don't worry the episode.
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