NFL Stock Exchange: An NFL Draft Podcast - NFLSE Mailbag: CFP Expansion, What Happened to Arch, Coleman vs Becker, NFLSE Mock Draft Simulator, and More!

Episode Date: October 16, 2026

A new NFLSE Mailbag! Trevor Sikkema and Connor Rogers answer all the superchat questions from the aftershow portion of the show from the last few weeks.NOTE FROM THE CHEF: We fell behind a bit on Mailbags... Sorry guys! Been working hard behind the scenes on launching the MDS and other things (which y'all will see very shortly!) So I'm releasing a second Mailbag this week to catch up. Sorry these have been so delayed, addicts!JOIN THE NFLSE DISCORD FOR EARLY ACCESS TO THE NFLSE MOCK DRAFT SIMULATOR! https://discord.gg/AjqamEUyEWhttps://discord.gg/AjqamEUyEW?feature=descriptionif the link doesn't work for you, just search 'NFLStockExchange Discord' on google and it'll pop upSubscribe to our channel! It helps us out a bunch.Follow us on X:https://x.com/NFLSEshowhttps://x.com/TampaBayTrehttps://x.com/ConnorJRogersFor business or other inquiries, reach us at [e-mail] Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

Good luck with this one. $5 super chat. Turbo. I warned you. Turbo Richard. Is it? Thank you, Solar Garlic, Gaeli. We'll catch you next week.

Yeah, thanks. Yeah. TCU tight end. Not a real NFL prospect at the moment, but I went to school with him. Wrote and played in eighth grade for an assignment and killed his character off. Okay. That's an all-timer right there, Caleb. That's a real good.

That is really good. Oh, man. He has caught two touchdowns this year. I can't with you guys. You guys are ridiculous. Road to play in the eighth grade and killed his character off. That's awesome. Can you imagine if he makes it in the NFL and he's actually good?

And Caleb's like around, you know, like at a bar with people. and, you know, it's a Sunday, and there he is catching a touchdown. Pimp just catching a touchdown. It's like, hey, I got a story about him. I remember to play in eighth grade and killed his character. That's really ridiculous. That's my favorite claim to fame I think I've ever heard. That was great, Kay.

Jeffrey gave us $2 super chap. It's a way to screw up the college football playoff thoughts on this fellas. We'll be quick because I'd like to actually have a really long combo on it on an actual show format. Yeah. I don't like this at all, Trevor. I don't like the devaluing of the regular season that has taken over college football and I don't like the need to,

well, we don't like the tough decisions or leaving people out, so let's just get everybody in. Expansions in the playoffs is very wide amongst many sports, but I don't want college football to become what March Madness is and it's just, I don't know, I don't like it. Yeah, obviously, I don't like it either.

I don't think you're going to find anybody who really likes it. I wondered if this was inevitable, not even just from a money perspective, but also just because, and I don't want to, I don't want to make it sound like that I don't approve of players doing this, but it's so common now for the good players to sit out of bowl games or transfer, you know, and or both before you went, before you get to play the bowl games. And that has made not just like the big bowl games meaningless. It's basically made all bowl games meaningless with a lot of these big players not participating in it. And I think the college football is and advertisers and just overall interest in the sport once you get to the month of December and January, outside of the college football playoff, you just start to see these teams not caring. Like what was the, what was the, ma'am? Oh, it's Florida State, right? When Florida State goes undefeated and they get left out of college football playoff and, like, obviously, like, that's tough.

I'm not trying to say that that's like an easy thing. Like, that's a tough scene. And then they go and play Georgia in the Orange Bowl and they lose like 63 to 10. because nobody plays. They don't care everything. And I think there's just way more of that in college football right now. So I don't know what the right answer is to it.

I don't think a 2014 playoff is and I wish that it wasn't. But like you said, I think it's for a deeper combo another day. But I just hate kind of the direction that the college football is taking with all this. It just kind of sucks. It does.

One of my favorite things growing up actually was bowl season. Dude, me too. And it's just not the same. It's not the same. I understand we can't really get that back, but the memories of being home for Christmas break. And like my dad was a firefighter, so he worked really weird hours. Like he'd work 24 hours overnight. And then he'd be home during the day sometimes.

So like watching random bowl games during Christmas break and they met something. I absolutely, we've lost bowl season and now we're dangerously trending toward, trending towards losing the regular season's value. And it feels like a money grab. And that's a disgrace. Well, we'll talk about that further. It's a longer combo. When we get to college football playoff stuff.

Matthew, $10 super chat. We appreciate you, Matthew. Thank you. Why doesn't Beggy I want a largest rookie, not simply eat the other rookies? That's actually a good point. But he didn't even need to to win this bracket. So, you know, didn't even need to do it.

But if he gets beat one time in Passpro, maybe that's the strategy he takes on. The fork and knife is coming out. Andrew, $5 super chat. Talk about Way Sean Parker or suffer the consequences. That's a good threat. Yeah, it is. It is.

The Utah running back. I need to do a rewatch of the running back class as a whole. So we usually re-rank running backs in December, I want to say. Maybe January. Yeah. Sometime December or January. Like I've watched Wayne Knight, did tape break down on him. I talked about Turbo Richard.

But admittedly, I have some more to catch up on that weren't in summer scouting. Logan, $14 super chap, said, upcoming quarterback class fighting to be drafted as late as possible. You're telling me, my only options are a 75-year-old, 3-foot-6, Chambliss or a guy who was actually only played 14 total snaps in Mestamaker. Yeah, those are your choices. Yeah. And your entire NFL team needs to push all of its chips in on one of those two choices.

Yes. Good luck. That's what we're saying. That's what we're saying. Better be right. Why? Because gave us a YouTube gift. Go team.

Appreciate it. Still lost in between. Gave us a $2 super chat said, go all in on Cameron and trade BTJ. Would I be shocked if that happens next offseason? No. Yeah, I don't think it's happening this season. There's no need to do that right now. The Jags know that they've got a chance to win the Super Bowl.

They're not going to trade anyway. That's right. Solar garlic aoli. Not just garlic aoli, but so good luck with this one. $5 super chat. I warned you. Turbo Richard is it. Thank you, solar garlic aioly.

We'll catch you next week. Yeah, thanks. Yeah. We showed it on the screen. That's all that needs to be done. If you're audio only, well, become YouTube. I can't. I'll read the Big Billy one because this one is a little different.

Bonjour from France. There it is. This is like your Cincinnati shirt. All right. Yeah. Bonjour from France is very, I love New York. And anyways, love that Big Billy. Great work on the new mock draft and really nice architecture choices by the devs,

front end at least. Oh, about the simulator. Thank you, Big Billy. P.S. Conner's movie takes make me trust his. prospect takes a lot less. Yeah, get after him. Get after his ass.

Man doesn't really think Dune one. Yeah, get after that great. And now I'm wrong about prospects. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, put him in a corner. Give him the haymakers. Yeah, well, bonjour and Kenichi what to you, big Billy. Jeffrey, $2 super chat said cooking the bracket.

Classic regular, you're damn right. Yeah, you know where you are. Logan gave us $7 super chat said, Martians got the death being pointed at Earth. I want Wesley Bay. Well hope you're enjoying your last meal What's the coward

The not the coward The Max Kellerman Iguada Oh yeah yeah One It's like I need one bucket Fade of the universe Give me

Igadala I need one sack Yeah The universe Give me Wesley Bailey It's actually Wesley Bailey is gonna be The new Roy Lopez

Because he might honestly. Anything, our mentions will explode. Yeah, no, honestly. And you know what? I'm pumped for that. I am pumped for that. Let's see. You'll give us $5.00 super chat said,

there's about a dollar more where that came from if IMAX moves on. Well, sorry. We left to do the vote. We do appreciate the $5, though. We appreciate it. Sports debate arena said,

Connor, I got your back for fake sacks, denialism for Bailey as a proxy war for Brian Burns. Thank you. sports the vaterina. It's good to have friends. It's just good to see the ball go in the hoop. Thank you.

Yeah, it gave us another $5 super chat. So justice for Arvel, you are lobbyist for the Denzel industrial complex. Stop the steel. I'm going to G. January 6th. He's going to storm the offices that don't exist here for NFL stock exchange. Yes. Eli, Messador plays on Herbert's team and immediately gets the if man treatment.

How many wide receiver do is you taking over Watson and Golden? Man, I got to say it, because I definitely. criticizes rookie year over and over again. Matthew Golden is having an awesome year two and Christian Watson one of the most dangerous explosive vertical kind of threats in the league. How many duos are we taking over them? Well, Jason Higgins. Jason Higgins, obviously. I'm still taking a Monron JMO even though I know. Yeah. Like, you know, come on. It's a mona. For sure. For sure. Puka and Devante? Who can literally name anybody. That's the thing. It doesn't matter who the number two is. Yeah, I think so. And you know, Unks.

got it a little bit sometimes with Devante, at least in the red zone. Who else? I know. We're forgetting a very obvious one, I'm sure. I'm looking at the teams right now. I'm looking at the teams right now. I mean, AJ and Devante would have been. Oh, C.D. Lamb and George Pickens.

Duh. Yeah, there's the obvious one I was talking about. Would you take Justin Jefferson and Jordan Addison? Addison clearly the best, or Jefferson, clearly the best player, Madison's also clearly the fourth. I think I would, though. You take who? Yeah, you don't just find Justin Jefferson's hanging around.

I think that's fair. Ted and J.O. and Coker? No. Oh, man, another one that's like, when healthy. Trey McBride and Michael Wilson? That's really wriggling it. Whoa, what do you mean? The receivers!

Tremant's the receiver! Yeah. No. No, he's not. Nice try. I tried. I tried, guys. You did.

Maddie Ice, $10 super chat. Does Boston change how we viewed wide receiver prospects? It felt like the separation caused people to overlook how much size and physicality matters. Mike Evans is kind of doing the same thing in San Francisco. Yeah, I think so. I mean, this isn't, Maddie, this isn't really the best podcast to sort of ask about re-evaluating how you saw Denzel Boston because both Connor and I really liked Denzel Boston. Both of us had him top 25 in the class. Both of us thought that he should have been a first rounder.

So him playing well is not really a surprise to us. But I do think that the question at large for more people is like, hey, yeah, like you could still win in this regard. I think that Mike Evans being an outlier of a big receiver like that also sort of goes against it because if there's only like one guy that you can consistently point to, it's big and tall. And okay, maybe it doesn't separate super well, but still comes up clutch for you. There's only one or there's just a small sample of guys who could do it.

Sometimes it deters you. but we love Boston on this show. So it's great to see him playing early or standing out early on, but we really thought that he could overcome a lot of that stuff. So Peter, this one hundred bucks. Peter, you're the goat. Thank you, Peter. Hello, Trevor.

Hello, Connor. Hello, Tyler. I love you guys. You and the show mean more to me than you all know. Thanks. Peter, we love you too. And I really mean that. We appreciate you.

Peter, who went over to Italy this summer after I went to Italy. And he actually went to one of the restaurants that, I recommended that he goes to, and he had a phenomenal meal. So it's just... I saw the video. It looked fun. You absolutely love it. Chow.

Appreciate you, Peter. Love you, dude. Dizzy Jazz, last one, $2. Start, sit, cut. It's not bench, sit. Jets wide receivers. Garrett Wilson, Kishon Johnson, Brandon Marshall.

Is this them at their peak form? Or what they've done as Jets. That's a big decision. Distinction. Gotta be, got to be them at their peak form, I think. That's what makes it a real conversation. Well, them at their peak form,

it's not a conversation. The start is Brandon Marshall. Okay. All right. Brandon Marshall in 2015 is one of the most dominant wide receiver seasons I've ever watched. Like Ryan Fitzpatrick would just throw up a punt, and Brandon Marshall would, at 31 years old,

would destroy whoever was in front of him. I'll do this two ways. I'll do them at their peak form. Damn, he was 31, 2, 1,500 yards, 14 touchdowns. What a beast. He was like, the Jets got him for nothing. He was left for dead and had a truly a remarkable, remarkable year. Wow.

Wow. At their peak, I'll go B. Marsh, Garrett, Kishan. What they mean to the Jets in Jets history, which does matter a lot. I'll go Garrett, Kishon, B. Marsh. Because B. Marsh only had that one real year. Kishon obviously had some moments before he was traded. Garrett is like...

Buccaneer Great, Kishon Johnson, of course. Buckingier, great, Kishon, Jopton. Garrett's like lifelong jet, been here through bad, bad years. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Incredible face of the team kind of guy. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I can understand that. What's you, you're not going to do it? well

I mean I think if I'm going by peak because I don't really know the significance of them to the Jets like you do go by peak so by peak yeah I would go I would go Brandon Marshall Garrett Wilson

yep Keeshawn Johnson yeah yep that's what I'm doing the regular strikes again yes yes he does Buck's number one overall baby he's unstoppable losing is way better than winning

you get the draft higher and the montrots Lock drafts are so much more fun, and that's what really makes the week go by. Here's the power ranking. You ready for it? Winning the Super Bowl, losing as many games as possible. That's the power. And then, and then, you know, like going 11 and, you know, going 12 and whatever, going 11 and what I go to.

Sneaking to the wild card. No, no, no, no. The order is number one is winning the Super Bowl. Number two is losing as many games as possible and picking number one overall. Either be the best or be the worst. Do not be in the soft middle. Amen, baby. Okay, Scepter, give us $2 super super chat.

It's at Dong you later time. It is indeed. The NFLS E mock draft don you later. Let's go. Hashtag not unk. Jare Penn said, guys wanted to give the fellas an update on flag football. We're 03 and 1 this fall,

so their signs of life were so bad. They hadn't had a tie, though. Yeah. Last time we heard from them. So congrats on the tie. Yeah, we got the tie. We got the tie in there. How are we tying in flag football?

I feel like there'd be a one play to decide. It sounds like the reps just wanted to go home. Yeah, classic community flag football league. Yeah, just classic. Let's see. Frey gives us five-dollar super chat. It said Arch has stunk so bad that people are starting to make excuses for the Manning bloodline, quote, he's not Peyton or Eli's kid, end quote.

Arch has not stunk. Again, just going back to the. conversation that we had in the mock draft episode. It is just that the Archmanning number one overall prospect allure, I think is losing its luster a little bit here. Again, that's not to say that he is a bad prospect, because I think that some people have a bad tendency is in either saying that you're an elite all pro Hall of Famer or your absolute cheeks and there's no in between.

There often is in between and the truth is in the gray. And I think the truth of the matter is that Arch Manning still has NFL ability. He's built like an NFL quarterback. He's got good dual threat ability. He knows how to read defenses. He can make a couple of really, really nice throws for you every single game. But it's still more inconsistent than you wish it was for a future number one overall pick. And I think that it's okay to admit that all of that is true with him.

I think that summed up really well. And kind of how we talked about him when we had him go sixth overall to the Jets in this mock draft. All right, 77. Thank you for the $20 super chat. not trying to get ahead of myself, but do you think the Raiders will have a hard time next year being the defending NFL champs? Hey, King, go off and celebrate your 3-0 football team.

You got yourself a head coach. That's for damn sure. Man, it's, I just love the combination of John SpyTech and Clint Kubiak. Yeah. Look, the Raiders are 3-0. I'm not taking anything away from them being 3-0. They haven't been the most explosive offense or the, you know, the most lockdown defense.

But there is something to knowing when you nailed it at head coach and a general manager. And I think that when those things happen, you do see signs. And these games that the Raiders have played early on this season, have they been the best football games ever played? No. But have the Raiders failed to capitalize and win these games in the past? Yes. I think this is a different Raiders team. It's a different Raiders' attitude and it's a different Raiders' confidence.

And so I think that you should absolutely have confidence in that as a fan moving forward. Jets Joe, $20 super chat. We appreciate you, Jets, Joe. Are the Jets going to end up with three top 10 picks? Also, how about Drake, maybe, may. There we go. That's pretty good. He's graduated from the schedule to being maybe.

To me and maybe. I don't know if that's graduating. That might be being relegated to maybe. That relegated to maybe is probably true. At least the schedule leave is just beating the opponent in front of him. Jeffrey Snow. up and said, chef cooking with the draft simulator intro, absolutely was. Oh, we got a good one from Nemo Sports here.

Can the Packers give Micah back? Does it show you how, like, how quickly a window feels like it can go? The Colts made the big trade for sauce. Green Bay made the big trade for Micah. And then you blink and you're like, damn, we've lost what feels like a million games in a row. We're either waiting for a guy to come back or we're not playing as well. it's just it's so hard to make the all-in move in the NFL specifically yeah that's why a lot of jams won't do it i know i know it's it is tough when to know because if you get burned you get burned

real bad most of the time so yeah i hope it goes worse for both those teams because the jets have their picks like you think it's bad now i hope it's much worse two months from now i'm just kidding kind of. You know how you're happy to hinges on how your sports team does? I hope it gets dark for you, brother. Because that's all I got. I hope you think about never watching sports again, not just the game of football. I hope you call your TV provider and tell them that if you see one sports channel

on that television, you are going to lose it on some poor customer service worker. Oh, man, it was too much. Too much for me. It was. I apologize. Not from you. You were just right. it was too much.

Tony Lee gave us a $5 super chat. Said how long before I can get access to this? Well, if you're a Discord member, you can get access right now, folks. Yeah, you could own the damn thing. It's an Instagram Discord right now. What are we giving away equity? No, we're not.

No. Ty Kendall. Again, yeah, too far too big. Thank you for the $50 super chat, Ty. Can you give three hot takes after week three of college football? It was actually week four, I believe, wasn't it? Either way. Sorry.

Here's ties. One, when Camaro Taylor declares, he will be considered a better prospect than Arch was when he does. That's not too hot. I mean, Camaro Taylor is like everybody's favorite player right now, and he's a lot of fun to watch. Two, the Sinci Bearcats have the best running back duo in the country. And three, this is the best running back class since 17. Those are some fun takes. Those are some fun takes.

I think what he means at running back, it's probably the depth of it. Yeah. We said that over summer. This running back class has good depth. I don't know if I have three hot takes for you. Let me try and at least come up, but one interesting one. Oh, I think Iowa's going to make the playoff. Oh, that's a nice take.

Iowa can play, it feels like, up or down to anyone, but they have the right staff to get them over the hump in these close games. I know they had to walk up against Michigan, but they have more athletes. this year, Iowa, on offense. Like Diaz at wide receiver. I like this Iowa team. I think they can be that third or if there's four big 10 teams. I think they can sneak in.

There's my hot take for you. Man, what's another hot take here? Charlie Becker, better than Cam Coleman. You know what? I'm so glad you said it. When we both had them on the board, I was like, is Charlie Becker going to go before Cam Coleman? All right, he might. You might, folks.

By the way, I got a hot one right off the bat. Shout out to Nemo Sports, who I had fun with saying, I hope the worst for the Packers and the Colts, just because of the Jurt, the simulator. He said, forget the picks. Give me back my money. That was good. That was great, Nemo Sports.

I want my money back. All of it. Just in the Kevin Koster, boys. Still lost in between, gave us a $10 super chat, said, Trevor sacrificed his wife's alumni's team. So the gators can turn back into a powerhouse program. That should have been your hot take. The gators are a problem.

I mean, yeah. I mean, to quote Thanos, I'm sorry, little one. And it just, it should be. To be your wife. It's me just snapping the gauntlet. Florida's good again. That is great. Florida is scary.

Dude, I thought, I thought Florida was going to get their ass beat by oh, no. Because their defense was. so sketchy through the first early early two weeks of the season i was like man this all miss offense again and if k if kewan lacey plays i think it's a different game but they stepped up big time and i cannot tell you the last time that it felt this legitimate that florida stepped up in a big game like that actually felt like yeah some sometimes florida's won big games over the last 10 years and i go okay that was a fun moment i'm obviously going to celebrate it as a fan i don't know how much of a building block this really was.

That's a building block game. Like, I genuinely believe in everything that John Summerall is doing there. So I truly love to see it. Tony, Lee, gave us a $50 super chat. And congratulations on the mock draft simulator. Tony, you're the goat, truly. Just the absolute goat. Powered by you, honestly, at this point.

Great friend of the show. Hitting the gym after the show, if you could only have four artists on your gym playlist, who would they be? Oh, I'll try to not take too long with this. I need a good mix here I'll say Black Sabbath Oh

Okay I'll go Black Sabbath Audio slave Biggie And I feel like I need One more balance here I'll let you say some while I think of my fourth That's hard to nail it down to four

Man I'm going to throw everybody a curveball here Well we expected that from you August Burns Red Drake, under oath, and probably Beartooth. I was expecting some Rise Against from you. Yeah, Rise Against was when I was in high school, Rise Against was like the artist of our soccer team when I played varsity soccer.

And like before every game, we just were blaring Rise Against in like the locker room or whatever area we were getting ready. And you know, like putting the cleats on and the socks on and the Ching Gar. on and everything. We're just blaring rise against sufferer and the witness album. So yeah, there's no disrespect to that album because it's gotten me pumped up for sports many a time. I'll bounce it out because I went to rock and then I'll go to rap. I'll go 50 cent for my last one. Growing up in New York, that was like there was in time where 50 cent was the only thing you ever heard for about five years. Sure. It was crazy. And then he was in movies and then he had a video game and then it was all kind of gone.

Yeah. Besides that bad first pitchy throughout. That is iconic, though. But, you know, all pub is good. It's not true on, actually. That's not, don't listen to that, kid. Sports debate arena. This MDS is sick.

Did you drop a URL for us? Oh, yeah. A reminder of everybody, it's in the Discord. Right, yeah. It is in the Discord here. Scepter, I try to open the Dolphins depth chart in the mock draft simulator in my computer crash. Thanks, guys.

Seems like a skill issue. No, I don't know. It might be a, it might be, It might be an MDS issue. I don't know. If this persists, again, there is a, there's a button up top to report some bugs.

So look, there's, I want to be clear, there's a very big difference between 10 of us. Yeah. Testing the mock draft simulator at once and all 5,000 people on the Discord testing it. So we know that there are going to be bugs in there.

When you see the bugs, please report them and we'll try to obviously make the simulator as, as reliable as it could possibly be. So that's a, I think it's a good reminder for that. Trinidadi said, as the president of the CJ Car fan club, aka the dealership, I feel like he's treated like the redheaded stepchild of the quarterback group because he's not in quotes cool enough. I think to your point, Matt, Notre Dame gets a lot of hate naturally and skepticism, like of the letdown. So I think part of that is people don't want the letdown for CJ Car.

And he's going to have to win them over, whether it's beating Miami. Notre Dame winning the title, which they're one of the favorites to do. Like he's going to have to have that moment for it to be a full turnaround from the public. But I like C.J. Carr as much as anybody, so I feel you. You just glossed over that C.J. Carr's fan club is the dealership. No, I emphasized it when I read it. I don't think it was emphasized enough. That's fair.

That is really good. Do you come up with that Trudidad? I don't know. Or do you read it online? Do you read it online? Is this on Reddit? Notre Dame? If you read it online, you got to come clean.

But if you came up with it, I want to give you credit for it every time that we referenced C.J. Car moving forward. Hey, because the dealership is sick. Yeah. You got. Not without Coops, baby. Not without Coops.

Patty Mahomes the goat gave us $5 super chat. Said, I feel for a mod Hardy with what happened. He would be clear RB run in this class. He's so elite. Do you both think that he just stays another year? I do think that he stays another year at this point. He has not played at all. I think it makes the most sense for him to stay,

certainly, to get healthy, to remind people of how good he could be. I push back on him being the clear RB1. We watched him for summer scouting even before, obviously, the gunshot injury happened with him. And I think that where he is obviously an NFL back and was super productive last year, there were other backs that I liked more than him

from an NFL perspective. But all of that to say, I think he's in college. another year. I'm really hoping that he just gets to heal up and get good, get right, because he is a very talented player. I'm excited to watch him continue to play the sport of

football. So I hope it's somewhere in college next year where he can put his best foot forward to the NFL draft. All right. I do want to answer this last one and then I got to jump. You got to get the baby. He's a father, folks. Yeah, he got to see the mock draft simulator. He was like, wow.

This is his first words were, wow, dad. This is the donulator is amazing. I said, wow, I never heard you speak before. Eli said, understead you don't watch the Packers like your own teams. Well, the Jets played the Packers, so I have covered a Packers game this year. And they played on Thursday Night Football,

so I watched every snap of that game. That's true. So we've seen a lot of Packers this year, Eli. At what point is it justified to fire LaFleur, always soft, undisciplined, unprepared teams? So I like Matt LaFleur. I think the key point you pointed out that is really fair and justified,

the penalties from Green Bay, and the poor tackling is something where you look. Now, they are overwhelmed because they're thin on offensive line because injuries and that's going to lead to a lot of penalties. But I think that's a really, really fair call out that I don't know if it's going to cost them his job, but that's a big argument if you are against keeping LaFleur. Yeah, I think LaFleur's seed is hot. No, I don't know.

The expectations in Green Bay are hot, but are high all the time. I think that also just the decisions that the front office of coaching staff have made along the offensive line. Like I know that they've suffered through injuries and there's been some stuff that's been outside of their control. But the offensive line is quite literally unfunctionably bad. And so however you got to this point, it's going to be hard for them to win football games. And I think there's a very real chance where they're obviously lasting that division. And if they are, I think that the floor could be gone. All right, get out of here.

You got it. You guys are the best. Goodbye, everyone. Goodbye. I'll still knock out some of these super chats that we have left here. Let's see. Mark, $5 super chat, said, do you plan on adding estimated comp picks to the MDS? Try drafting for the Packers, but could only take seven offensive linemen instead of the 11 that they needed.

That was a very topical super chat that we have there coming off of that earlier Packers question. So projected comp picks do exist in Tankathon. where we're using Tankathon, which is obviously a great website. If you guys are checking for any sort of draft order or anything like that, go check them out and support everything that they're doing. I've used Tankathon for many, many years.

They have projected comps. We don't have them in right now just because it's still like so far away. But I could be convinced that we should just add the projected compics as Tankathon sees it because they do a really good job. Let's see. Cappy gave us two Super Chats.

first one $10. A few Michigan fans online have been saying that they were robbed against the Hawkeyes, that they outplayed them. Is that true? Or is everyone in Ann Arbor drinking in the Flint, Michigan water? And then also, because statistically, yes, they did, but only having a six-point lead does not seem like a dominant performance to me. But what do you say, wise men?

Also, the Buckeyes are destroying the Hawkeyes this weekend. Wow. Actually, that's great game. I'm looking forward to that one, especially for how highly Connor spoke of Iowa and saying that they're making the college football playoff. Going to be honest, didn't watch the game.

I wish you could give you a better answer for the $20 that you gave in total of the super chats there. We very much appreciate it. Connor watched the game because he focuses on the Big Ten. To be honest with you guys, I was working on the mock draft simulator all day Saturday, so I was kind of keeping an eye on a lot of college football games. But I just didn't see that Iowa, Michigan one, start to finish.

But I don't have a specific take on that. I wish I had more of it, but Gapie, I do appreciate it. it given the super chats here. Well, I promise that I will watch more Iowa football more intently, starting with this week when they play Ohio State. And you said that Ohio State's going to destroy him. So might have to come back and talk about that, depending on what the result was. Ken, Brenda gave $2 super chat. Can Baltimore coax Drew Dalman out of retirement? Yeah, I don't know. I think that he's probably solidly retired, unfortunately. Joseph, $5 super chat said, Trevor, what's your go-to spot for wings when you were at?

and what was your go-to bar after a Gators win? So for Wings, I would go to Dockside, Gators Doxide a lot. I've got to think the Gators Doxide still exists. But obviously, I haven't been in many, many years. Man, all the bars that I felt like I used to go to after Gators wins might not even exist anymore. I mean, that's the most old man, Unk thing I've ever said. But we would go to, if we were downtown, we would go to Mothers. if we were at Midtown, we would go to swamp or salty balls if you're feeling like you just want to be around a billion people and have super loud voices around you at all times.

But like social and social was built, like that was super cool. And those places were right around pizza by the slice. So that's obviously clutch depending on how late you're staying out. Responsibly, of course. Those, but those were the places that I feel like we went to the most. but for wings, yeah, it was Gators Dockside. I'm trying to think of like other wing places, but I can't off the top of my head.

But those were the spots that I would go to whenever I was in Gainesville, which I haven't been to in a long, long time. I can get back to Gainesville, especially for a game. I genuinely don't even know the last game that I went to in the swamp. It might have actually been the Ole Miss game. No way it was the old miss game that they played in the swamp, the night game that was many, many years ago. But that was almost 10 years ago.

I'd be so embarrassed. that's it. I can get back there. Anyways, I'm sure more has changed than I can even remember at that point. Green gave us a $5 super chat said, roll out a sick new mock draft simulator and don't immediately do a seven-round mock draft. Obviously scared to compete. We are terrified to compete. Terrified to compete. But you guys can run seven-round mock drafts if you want to because there's not many players that are in the, uh, that are in the big board. Let's see. Um, which Brown is better in Louisville? Is that like Isaac Brown and Who's the other brown that plays for the world?

I don't know the other one. Hold on. Hold on. Doing some research here. Isaac Brown. Oh, uh, Kewan Brown, the other running back.

I forgot that it's, it's Isaac Brown and Kewan Brown, who are the running back duo that's back there. I have not seen enough of Kewan Brown. I know, I obviously know he exists, uh, you know,

as a human being, but I have not studied his work as a football player. I only know Isaac Brown. So I haven't gotten to him. So I cannot make a decision there. But I will remember that. the next Louisville game that I am watching, I will make sure that I'm paying attention,

even when Isaac Brown goes out of the game, because I've got to be able to answer this question better the next time that you ask it. Trevor employed Sycamah and Connor Claw Rogers. We've got to keep that in quotation marks, though, because, you know, employed, really? It's just a mindset. Can you really prove it?

I don't know if I could. Somebody came up to me in the middle of the street and asked me to prove I was employed. I don't know if I could do it. I don't know if I could do it. And can you prove that I write holding a pen like a caveman? Dude, no. You can't.

I can only. I'm never writing again. I can only make fun of you here because I type with my index fingers only. Yes. So I am also a psychopath when it comes to writing or typography. So both of us have our interesting ways of. Yeah, there's something in the brain that's not right for each of us with that. I loved at the end of the segment.

Who's the host? Who's the host of that show? Steve Gels. I love how, like, Steve was like, all right, now we, uh, we got to go to the betting segment. And you were like, yeah, see, now you need me. Now you need me. You're making fun of me and now you need me.

Yeah, one minute on the joke next minute you need bets. I'm not, I'm not doing it. Oh, God. Chef's too good. It's not a good look for me. It's not a good look for me. To your point, the penmanship is good. Thank you.

The writing works. The penmanship is good. The path to get there is not pretty. It's not. like I just arrived from another planet and they said write down your name and species and I have never seen a marker pen or pencil before that's literally what I look like that is so bad when you actually dissect it in real life yeah I know I say thank God I've been able to figure out this whole talking about football thing.

Yeah. Because I don't know what else I would have done. I don't know, man. I've seen some old school journalists and beat reporters. Shout out to all of them out there, truly doing Lord's work covering these teams as closely as you guys do. And you guys don't get as much thanks as praise as you deserve for getting us all the details about all these teams, truly.

But I'll see the notepad of some of these people who are covering practice. And I'm like, this is hieroglyphic. You can't read a thing. This is wingdings. You know, like this is, I can't, I can't, what, what is this? As long as they could read it. As long as they can read it, I can't believe I put on a suit for this. That's the toughest part.

My own humiliation ritual. At least, the good thing is, is that the shoulders look broad, the chest looks, the chest looks, the chest looks good, and the lats look wide. Thank you. You look, you may be, you may be holding the pen like this, but it looks. It looks powerful. Like you look powerful in how you're doing it. So at least you have that. Like I'm going to break it over my kneecap.

Yes, yes, yes. Like if you were to hold that the way normal people do, it might snap in half. You don't know. It just might be, you know, your strength. You just, you can't tell. You can't tell. Oh, Lord. Harry gave us $5 and said, I gave it five minutes before Safeway nukes this stream again.

Well. Another L for Safeway. Didn't happen. Our defense system worked. Defense system works. Gigantor, $5 super chat, said, glad to see McDonald's got fiber optics for this Thursday show. Just kidding.

My question is for Connor. What are the keys for victory for my alliance over the Jets? So a little bit of enemy territory. He's asking you to snitch here. I mean, really. This might be Dan Campbell. This might be Dan Campbell. I'm paying me to snitch.

What I worry about in this game is the last. lion's speed. The Jets have not played. They played two teams without, Christian Watson's really fast, but the conditions of that game and Jordan Love was never comfortable. I'm more worried about the speed

of Jemir Gibbs in this game, kind of stressing the edges against the Jets. I think that, one, get the Jets into a throw script because then, you know, Gino can hold the ball and you can really get home

and create some havoc. That's what Green Bay did in the second half. Green Bay, their stunts and twists really worked. And after Aidan Hutchinson, like, what do you worry about with the Lions rush as a whole? So they should definitely run some stunts and twist, try to confuse the Jets' offensive line,

make them communicate. You know, on the counter side of it is the Lions secondary. Like, are they going to stop anyone or anything this year? No. So I think the Lions win this game. It's one matchup I don't feel good about it all for the Jets. I think it's kind of like a 27 to 20 kind of game. Dude, I think it could be like a 30,

It very easily can be. Because the Lions will score, and then the Jets are going to have to go into a more throw-heavyer script than they like to play. But they can pass on the Lions with all their pass catchers because the Lions secondary is just in tough, tough shape. I was talking about this on the NFL fantasy football show of I think Garrett Wilson finishes this week as a top five fantasy wider. Yeah, I would agree with that. I think he could absolutely go off this week. I agree. It's a big week for Garrett.

Solly. Well, this one's for me. It's for $5. He said, Trev, I'll be in Charlotte for New Year's Eve. Going to see widespread panic play. Any restaurant recommendations, possibly one with gluten-free options for my girl. There are a lot of restaurants in Charlotte that do gluten-free options. I don't know a ton of them off top of my hand just because I am not gluten-free, so I don't seek it out often.

But honestly, a lot of the restaurants in Charlotte are able to accommodate there. A easy one that I always suggest to people. Optimus Hall, it's an eating hall that's really, really cool. It's got great food, all different types of cuisine. You will absolutely be able to find something that you love there. Supperland is a really cool, unique place. If you're looking for something that's a little bit more like upscale and a nicer dining experience, Sweet Luz is my favorite barbecue place that's in the city.

So those are a handful that I think just off the top of my head. I think it gets you started. It all kind of depends on where you're staying in the Sharpe. Charlotte area, but I think those can get you started there. So, man, New Year's Eve and Charlotte, it's good be, it's good be good time. That sounds quite nice. Good to be a good time. Good to see Chubba Wub.

Trinigo is going to be an excellent Viking. Is anybody more consistent and on brand than Chubbaob? You know, normally, it's just adding goat to Illinois players, though. Yes. And now we've got a Trinidad. That's rare respect. I know.

That's, that's, that's, in, in Chubble club's culture that's the highest that's the highest level of respect that you can get yes um you con jet two dollars messemaker is aller with brain cells and upside well aller has upside yeah and messemaker i mean they does have brain cells yeah and so does aller you know yes yes not to actually definitely clarify that they both do uh i think that the aller realm is fair with Mestamaker for now, just because we have so little of him. And I think that obviously you get week one from Mestamaker, which was a low light, week two from Mestamaker, which was a highlight.

And I feel like that was the Dr. Aller journey, I think throughout college football. So I like Mestamaker more naturally as a thrower in college than I liked Aller. Now, I thought Aller cleans some stuff up this summer, which was nice to see how fast. Yeah, he looks very nice. Mechanically. Yeah. But yeah, I think Mestimaker is just a lot.

more natural thrower in college. Logan gave us a $6.99 super chat. Little known fact is Chambers is actually so short that not only can he not ride a single roller coaster at all, he needs a step ladder to get into his car. You know, all of that, and he can still hit a sick dig route over the middle of the field. Yep. So what are your thoughts on roller coasters?

You know, I used to love them. Like, I used to be a roller coaster junkie. Oh, wow. There's a, there's a amusement park in Tampa, go bush gardens, which is awesome. And it was kind of, like, popular. Right in our backyard. And I didn't really even, like, growing up,

like realized how lucky I was to be as close and go to Bush Gardens as much as we did growing up. But, like, they have all sorts of roller coasters that I loved. where I lived was only, you know, an hour and a half away from Orlando as well. So Universal Studios, Disney, all the Disney parks, everything like that. So we would go like during the summers and everything. So I used to love roller coasters. I would still go on roller coasters and still enjoy roller coasters. I can't tell you the last time I was actually on one.

But I wouldn't say that I have a fear of heights because that wouldn't be true. But as I've gotten older, I'm a little. more skeptical. I don't enjoy heights of heights than I was when I was a kid. I don't know if I met my wife and I feel like I have something to live for now or like what happened, but I'm a little more skeptical than I used to be. So you're not a fan. You've never been a fan. It just doesn't do it for me, which is weird because I really as a kid or even young adult loved like the craziest slides at water parks and all of that, which are high. up. That didn't bother me at all. A couple of videos of people hanging upside down while the roller

coaster is stuck. I was like, I just don't need to do this. Like I don't, I'm not chasing it. There's other ways. You pay for this. You do, you do, yeah, you do pay, you pay for the thrill. You do pay for the thrill. It's got to have a theme. Like I understand like, the roller coaster. Like, I understand, yeah, but an actual like indoor theme. I don't need, like, space. Mountain, for example. Oh, I see what you're saying. In order for you to be interested in it. Yeah, where I get some entertainment while the thrill is going on. You just shoot me up. 500 million yards in the air outside. You've never, you've never been on the Hulk front row at Universal Studios.

You've never, yeah, yeah, yeah, I can tell. I could tell. Oh, yeah. Um, no, wait, that wasn't Universal Studios. Was that an Adventure Island? Islands of Adventure? One of the two. Uh, anyways, I have a core memory of my dad and I front row of the Hulk roller coaster. And if you've never seen a video of this, you know how normally like on a roller coaster, you get in on the platform, whatever, you know, they'll crank you up a bunch and then you kind of drop from there. Oh yeah. That's their favorite move.

On the Hulk, you get in. They crank you up. And it's obviously it's the whole superhero theme. You're in like this tunnel. as you're getting cranked up and you could see like obviously the end of the tunnel. Yes, like that's, that's, that's the view that you have. And Jeff is so good. And there is this audio that plays where like Bruce Banner is saying like, okay, like,

I think this version works. Like I'm not going to turn to the Hulk anymore. And then he's like, and then, you know, it's like warning, warning, warning. And he's like, no, no, no. And then he yells and you, you're, you're halfway up the, like, the, I don't know what way to say this other than like getting to the top. Yeah, the track and they launch you up. So like watching the video, that's what happens.

So you don't get to the very top. They launch you out of the, out of the tunnel and then you get it. So I, man, you know, seeing this brings back fond memories. So I used to love roller coasters. I just haven't, I haven't been on one in a while. And my wife and I don't have kids, you know, so it's like, I'm not going to. Yeah, you'll get back. You'll get back to your ways.

Maybe, maybe. Where were we? Let's, yeah, where were we? Oh, what's the next one? Um, Um, he's the DeAngelo Pons of Joe Burroughs. Talking about Trinidad Chamblis.

Okay. That's really good, honestly. That's actually interesting. Really, really good. Solar garlic aoli said, uh, hi, peeper dongs, as in probably Cade Peeper on Iowa.

Yeah. Uh, got a new teaching job. I mostly love so far. Hey, let's go. It's a very different. You're a teacher, but you're introing with, people dongs.

I just said, it's, you know, I wanted to thank you for the laughs during my Trevor era in the employment wilderness. Well,

congrats, seller get garlic a lo. I'm glad you made it out of the unemployment wilderness and you're into a job that you enjoy. Jaldi, hey little fellas,

good luck with the screaming selfie videos after each loss. Go Jets. Go Jets. Got a $10 for that one. Thank you. Jaldi. Yeah, yeah.

I was going to say, we can get into that as much or as little as you want to. But I can tell you're waiting for me. If anybody, if anybody wants the context, they can head on over to at Connor J. Rogers on Twitter and they can give, and they can smash that follow button. Listen, I don't, I don't, I don't fight online anymore. Like I just, those days, don't. Those days are done. I just, you're a father now.

You're a father now. Yeah, and I, I want to, like, I like people getting along. That's our whole community. I agree. We love, you know, trying to spread positivity or having, just having a good time. I don't need everybody to be happy all the time. And, you know, if you catch me at a time and you just kind of antagonize more than once, and I know you, like, we've had good interactions.

And sometimes I get a little cranky. Sometimes the new, sometimes the, sometimes the true city. Sometimes the true city New York comes out. He may be northern New York now, but sometimes the city, New York comes out. Yeah. There's two little birdies on my shoulder. The one looking at pizza on the sidewalk was like, race hell. John, celebrating Destiny 2 being back, Destiny Forever.

Hell yeah, John, I'm playing this evening, baby. Where did Destiny go? So, oh, man. You can tell I'm out of the loop. So Destiny won, my favorite game of all time. came out in 2014 and I think that it ran until basically 2016 or 2017 when Destiny 2 came out. I started playing Destiny 2 with my group of friends who we all played D1 together. And we just, it wasn't really a great game when it first came out.

And so we, and that was also when Fortnite had just come out. So we went over to Fortnite and then COVID happened. So then Warzone happened. Oh, yeah. We just never really got back into Destiny 2 because it had a big time like journey to actually become a good game. But all that to say Earlier this year

Bungee came out and said We're done with Destiny Like we're about to give you guys the final expansion It's been 10 years of Destiny 2 We're going to give you the final expansion The final story and then we're done No more updates no more stories Shut the servers down?

No, no no the servers would still go up But like no more new content No adjustments to it No you know like Messing with the meta of guns All that kinds of stuff Nothing new no new content and they really wanted to focus on other games like Marathon

and other games that they were sort of like developing. It went over so poorly with people because I think that there were a lot of people who were hanging on to Destiny 2, either one, because they just liked it, or two, because they believed that Destiny 3 was coming at some point. There was going to be a third game in the trilogy. Oh.

And when Bungee came out and said, the Destiny Story is done, we're not making D3 and we're no longer working. working on D2, people rioted. Because this is, this is one of those games that I think has really, like, shaped the generation of gamers. And so they said, we're not, we're not doing anything more. They wanted to focus on these other games.

And these other games have performed so poorly when it's come to, like, new players and existing players, concurrent players, that Bungee came out earlier this week and said, okay, the destiny story is not done. Wow. We're going to, we're going to re-release, like, content for Destiny 2 so you could play everything that we have released because they took away a bunch of content and now they're putting it back into the game. And I think that this is all going to eventually lead to Destiny 3 actually being made and released. So that's pretty, that's pretty crazy. It's, it's one franchise I've never, I've never played before that I know is, you know, I have friends that are really into it.

I know it's really popular. I didn't, gaming is in such a weird place because development is taking longer than ever. And I get it. Like these these big franchises want everything to be perfect. It's just fascinating to me when I was sitting, I had that harsh reality where I was like, oh my God, I was a senior in college when GTA last came out.

Like it's, and it's not just, but it's not just the, everybody looks at GTA. It's not just the GTA combo. Like we don't know when there's going to be the next Red Dead. Elder Scrolls hasn't released a game. They released the trailer for the newest one.

like six to eight years ago and the game's still not even out it's just in a really weird spot with how long you have to wait for these franchises yeah and and we're also in a weird spot like as as millennials it's in our 30s now where a lot of people just kind of want to log on and like play a game and just sort of like just it's almost like it's relaxing so much that's how it is for me now competition yeah and for a lot of the games that have been released like it's just difficult to feel that way um but you're 100% right like our generation does not want um microtransactions and right i just want log on and you know play a couple rounds of pvp yeah you should play a couple rounds of team death that's it

yeah immerse yourself and kind of not it's it's in a really interesting place so you can do a whole other three-hour pot on the state of gaming but obviously we can't do that today but it's very i'm just very excited that destiny too is back especially because a lot of my friend group is now actually like getting into it. I'm just glad they took the feedback from their community. They did. Because that's the most important thing right now is just the community being heard. Absolutely.

And they 1,000% did. Now, I think that they did it from a little bit of the perspective of if the money was talking in the other direction that they wanted it to, they wouldn't have listened to the community. But the people who love Destiny basically were like boycotting all the other games. And I think that they were really suffering. So however we got here,

we did get here. Jay Taylor gave us $5 and said, joined late, but did you guys discuss Lincoln Keenholz? Yes. I think the conversation needs to be had at this point. Yeah, at this point, love y'all. We did talk about Lincoln Keenholz, so kind of had a breakdown about him earlier in the show.

Scepter gave us $5. Said is Jimmy Lee Lewis Jr., one of our elite employees already. What a name. It kind of is. Depending on how he matches up against William this weekend, maybe he is one of the elite. elite employees. Yeah.

Yeah. Elites employees. Marquise gave us a $27.90. Super Chat. Very precise. Very precise. Need help with my dynasty team. We have a Marvin Harrison Jr.

situation. Is there any hope? Another thing. Any thoughts on the Virginia tight end? I have not watched the Virginia tight end. I don't know who that is off the top of my head. Oh. Yes, you do. Hold on. Why is this now? He's talking about the Virginia Tech tight end?

Yeah. I, I was... You're talking about Luke Reynolds? He's talking about Luke Reynolds, I think. Oh, Luke Reynolds was top. Although he did say UVA, so that would be Virginia. Right. If you talk about Luke Reynolds, I had Luke Reynolds as tight end five going into the year. I saw the, I saw the vision with Luke Reynolds. I'm assuming that question is about Luke Reynolds, who was off to a very good start. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Marvin Harrison Jr., I think he's traded by the deadline. Yeah, I don't think it's happening in Arizona. That's to make that simple.

So you probably want to hold to see if he can. I guess the real interesting decision for you, Marquise, is say he gets moved and he goes somewhere really, like flashy. Do you, is that your high sell point? Like, what if he goes to? Yes. You know what I'm saying, Treve. Yes. He goes to the chiefs.

There it is. I'm glad you said it. He goes to the chiefs. Say that Puka just remain, I don't think they'd trade him in division. Although you never know. They might just take the highest offer. I was like,

what if Pooka's consistently banged up and the Rams still need a wide receipt? Like a sexy situation. Right. Do you get, is that when you maximize your return if you think it's just not happening for him? Or do you yourself buy into the situation upgrade?

That's going to be the hard part. I don't know because I also have Marvin Harrison Jr. In our Dynasty League, the one that was in. Oh, you? Yeah, yeah. And it's not great. Not great. Yeah, it's, I don't, man, it just doesn't look good like physically when you watch him run routes. No, no, no.

It looks like Michael Wilson's outworking him for targets and has been for the last two years. It is a great, not a great, but it is kind of funny situation. for you having Marv and Dynasty because you are the number one supporter of Michael Wilson. So you're like, at what cost? Have I won? Yeah, honestly, that

is how it feels. You're right. Joel sent us a YouTube gift. I don't know what to do with this. It's a cat. It's a cat wearing a bucket hat. That's absolutely jamming. Yes. Hopefully you guys are jamming today, jamming through the weekend. Looks like if Liam Gallagher was a cat

with a bucket hat is what that looks like. like so nicely done, Joel. I like it. Appreciate everybody who sent us some super chats. Appreciate everybody who was so active in the show today. It was a lot of fun. We love you guys. This community is the best part of what we get to do here on NFL Stock Exchange. And we'll see you guys next week.