NFL Stock Exchange: An NFL Draft Podcast - Official NFLSE Pre-Season 2026 NFL Big Board | NFL Stock Exchange

Episode Date: August 29, 2025

Trevor Sikkema and Connor Rogers reveal their top 50 big boards heading into the NFL season. (0:00) Intro (8:40) 50-41 (34:34) 40-31 (46:35) 31-20 (57:40) 20-11 (1:10:31) 10-1 (1:20:59) Honorable Mentions Subscribe to our channel: https://www.youtube.com/@NFLStockExchange Follow us on twitter: https://twitter.com/PFF_NFLSE https://twitter.com/TampaBayTre https://twitter.com/ConnorJRogers

20 to 11 some big boppers here 20 the man you know what that means was that mean a big bopper was a what was it was about like kids used like bop no not like that not like the trend going on like a big boppers like a you know like a big brawler like a heavyweight like oh okay all right all right dude you're so on tick talk it's insane look i'm just yeah i got to keep up with the kids i got to keep up the kids Welcome to the opening bell of the NFL Stock Exchange podcast. Trevor Sick and McConnell Rogers here for a very special edition of the show. I feel like I say that a lot, but I really do mean it for this.

There's a lot of special shows. We do a lot of special shows. It's just a lot of special shows. It's just it is. We do cool stuff. I don't know what to tell you guys. You pick the right podcast to listen to. today we were talking about our early big boards our first big boards really for the 2026 NFL draft it has been a summer filled with summer scouting as it always is we went down a lot of the positions didn't get to every single position but you know linebacker interior offensive line safeties you guys will get some love here on this show as there are players from all those positions that we have here in our top 50s last year we did we kind of tried to like combine them for like a show big board this year we're just we're we're we're

getting you guys our top 50. I feel like it's more pure that way. My initial top 50, Connor's initial top 50. Connor, how you doing, my friend? On this special show, how are you doing? What a special day today is. Big board day, man. This has been a lot of fun putting this together. And, you know, a really cool aspect of this as well, not a ton, but a couple more names added that we might have missed when we did summer scouting for each of us. You watch some guys, I didn't get to watch. I watched some guys. You didn't get to watch. and then there's some names out there that get on your radar late, or you watch a guy that might have a spring grade that's a sixth round grade,

and you're like, I don't agree with this at all. You might be a second rounder or whatever it may be. So this is always a lot of fun to watch these big boards change, grow. One day for fun when we have more time, and that is not now because football's here. We should go back and watch one of our big board shows from this time of year. And that's more of a summer project when we're messing around. round or even spring. It would be really funny.

Just because things change, man. Like, that's the NFL draft. You might have a guy ranked a certain way and then he significantly outperforms that projection or doesn't have the year he was hoping for. So it would be fun to kind of look back at it. We could do that either in the summer or even maybe do it. If we have time, it's really busy right before the draft. But I feel like it would be kind of fun to do, like, right before the draft, look at our

initial big board episode. But either way, I do like that. This show has been around, what are we on year? three now, four? I think it's got to be four. Is it four? I mean, this is the third studio I've had since we started this show. I don't move that much.

I think for me, too, right? I mean, like I started out. I was in Cincinnati for it, and then I came back to Charlotte, and then we moved into a new place. So, yeah, I mean, it's got to be four. But the reason why I said that is because now we have enough of those. We're like, even if we wanted to go back a couple of years and have some fun really looking back,

especially as guys who started their NFL careers. That would be fun. I can't wait for, oh, man, who's the tight end? Who's the tight end for LSU? Eric Gilbert. Can't wait. See, like seven different schools. Sure, go with the one of your choosing there.

He's the Josh Johnson of the NCAA with all the schools. He really, he's a show legend. He shows up in the comment section every few episodes I notice. We will love to bring him up, which by the way, I was laughing before we even sat down and do this show. I was texting you. It's, you know, me and you've got a lot going on right now as we get ready for both the college and NFL seasons in full swing. And we're figuring out, of course, the day of what time we actually want to record.

And you're like, yeah, I'll be good tonight. Right now, I'm installing a TV at my father-in-laws. And I was like, that is a situation. No man, no man wants to find himself in. I think your text was literally the situation that every man fears. Yes. Thankfully, my father-in-law is extremely handy. Yeah, it goes a long way.

Not only has he, like, taught me, like, the best ways to actually mount the TV, but like, we've even, you know, installed fans, you know, like, we're doing, we're doing, basically everything. So it's not nearly as bad. It was an outdoor TV, so it's very nice. We're getting ready for the nice weather here in Charlotte. I know that you guys are in, in upper New York as well. Wait, you guys technically aren't upper New York.

You're upper, your upper New York the way that I think of it, which is the way the world does. If you're not in Manhattan, you live upstate. That is 100% where I tell people you live. It drives me totally insane because New York is massive. It is such a big state. And I could take a, what, a 35 minute train into the city. But nope, you live upstate now. You live in the Arctic.

How far are you from Buffalo? Buffalo is about a seven-hour drive. Holy cow. Buffalo is... New York is big. You could throw a rock from Buffalo into Canada. So some people could do it. And gotten arrested.

Michael Panics could do it. He could do it. Patrick Malmes and Josh Allen could do it. What quarterbacks could throw a rock from Niagara Falls to the city of Toronto? This is actually a really good... You know, for the people, for the people who go, hey, the football talk starts here. You're going to miss the references because now when we talk about

quarterback arm strength, something we are going to very nonchalant do here on the show is we're going to be like, he can throw a rock from Buffalo, New York, to Canada. And you're not going to know. And the people, the true addicts are going to know that means they got NFL level arm strength. And if you're missing it, you're going to be like, wait, is that a long way? I don't know. Buffalo is kind of close to Canada. I don't get the reference.

Yeah, and they're all going to get to laugh together. And you're going to be like, well, I skip the first nine minutes. minutes in 21 seconds of every show so I didn't get the joke and now I have to go skim through every show to find it and yeah yeah like come on now folks great great a piece of advice from you by the way to marry someone with a dad that is really handy even if you are really handy like I like think of myself as somebody that is relatively capable um my my father-in-law was he like did that for a living for a very long time. So when we are in a panic, it's an instant text of, hey, what the hell is what the hell is what am I looking at right now? You're up in the attic in 120 degrees and you're

looking at a pipe that you don't know what it is and you send the picture of like, hey, brother, bail me out here. What is? It is hilarious because Alyssa and I have actually had like points of contention, some joking, some not as much joking of like if I don't know how to do something, she'll be like, my dad knows how to do it. And I'll be like, I don't want to hear that. Women love. I don't want to hear that. They don't want to hear it.

They will dunk on you any chance they can. But you know what? It is a luxury. You know what? If you put your pride aside, you can learn a lot of really great things. And that is the ultimate lesson there for anybody that's got a father-in-law or mother-in-law that is very handy. Yes, absolutely. What a special show this is.

What a special show it truly is. I'm glad you're all tuning into this one specifically. we're going to go we're going to give you our top 50s but at the end of the show i know we say this with like positional rankings but we are going to shout out some of the players who just missed the top 50 because even even more so in the big board episode than the positional rankings it really starts to get pretty razor thin especially when you're talking about completely different positions so there's guys that are right outside of the top 50 that you go like yeah i mean of course like i consider this guy right in this tier of being a fringe top 50 type of a player

going into this season at the end of this i'll sort of talk about some of their early, you know, first round, top 10 grades that I have, how many sort of what this class looks like. And yeah, we'll have a lot of fun on this show. So I'll let you kick it off. You will go, we'll go in increments of 10. So 50 to 41. And then like we do for the positional rankings, we'll kind of talk about these players and, and sort of why they either made your list, it could be, you know, good or bad, right? You could be like, hey, this guy is somebody who you might hear in top 20s, top tens, things like that. I'm a little bit lower on them. Or it might be a player that you're really trying to champion early on.

Go ahead. 50 to 41. Who you got? All right. 50. Nicholas Singleton, the running back for Penn State. He just made the list for me here. 49. Amel Wagner, the offensive lineman for Notre Dame. Yeah, I liked Wagner a lot this summer. And that's definitely projecting a pretty big jump in physical strength and ability compared also on the fact that he's a young player and pretty big, pretty big role he'll have again this year.

48. Another guy that's going to take on a bigger role, that's Max Llewellyn, the pass rusher from Iowa. He has been kind of a situational player, a very good one, and now he has the chance to, you know, turn into even more. 47, a player that I think most people are higher on than me. There's just a lot of leaps I want to see this year. That's Fernando Mendoza, the quarterback now at Indiana. Okay. So, you know, we had a long combo about Mendoza in our first summer scouting show of the year. I haven't really changed my stance too much on him since then. 46. That was literally months ago, which is wild.

46, Dorel Jackson Jr., the defensive lineman for Florida State. He is a lot of fun to watch. This was somebody that really impressed me on tape. And 45, another defensive lineman in the, another defensive lineman here in Tim Keenan, the third from Alabama. Oh, you got to. I like Keenan a lot. I haven't seen Keenan get that kind of love from anybody.

If Alfred Collins goes as early as he does and Tyleek Williams goes as early as he does, I think Tim Keenan might be a little bit limited in terms of what he's going to give you every down, but I know exactly what the heck he gives you those early downs is a guy that controls the line of scrimmage. Do you see he had ankle surgery like two days ago? How significant, is it, is it a tight rope? I think it was because it was, he was, somebody, I read that it was like a high ankle sprain and so if you have surgery for a high ankle sprain, it's probably a tie rope surgery.

So I usually miss like the first four weeks. The really notable one I remember is Zamarius Mims, having that in his final season. It is something that you can come back from within a month, but it is something, too, that is, it's tricky. Like, it's, you know, you're going to deal with some pain tolerance and things. So, yeah, so Keenan, hopefully he comes back when they're playing their most important football, and he continues to show what he put on tape last year. 44, Trevor, somebody I had on my list for the show, and I might have even dropped his name because I liked They have a really good wide receiver room in general, but I didn't rank him for the wide receiver show.

Chris Bell from Louisville. Oh, so I also did not watch Chris Bell for the wide receiver show. Shout out to Dane Bruegler. Dane had Chris Bell really high. I don't remember where, maybe even top 30? He was. Yeah. So full transparency, like I will read people's work because I respect a ton of people in this industry.

and I love reading draft work, but what I do is I have tried to form my own opinion first, right? Exactly. You don't want any bias, you know, yeah. I was just going to say, like, sometimes you can't control it, right? Sometimes you'll read a tweet or an article or something. They're like, this player was number 20, and you're like, oh, there it goes. Cats out of the bag now. Right, right.

I can't cover the draft this year. So I love reading Dane's work, but I always sort of wait until we get done with summer scouting before I dig into it. And I saw Chris Bell and I was like, dude, I haven't even heard anybody talking about. about Chris Bell. And I watched him and, yeah, an athletic freak. I mean, this is the dude. Size and speed. If you gravitate

towards athletes, what you just said, that size speed combination, he's got one of, if not the best size of speed combinations of any of these wide receivers in this class. We talked about it when we went through the wide receiver episode. There's not like this, like there's not a Jeremiah Smith, right? I mean, like there's not like a bona fide wide receiver one

type of a player or even like a class where you might have a couple of those guys. And so I can understand liking Bell enough in this class to really lean into those traits. He is 81st on my big board. So just to let you guys know, my big board right now, all 255 players is up on pff.com and you can use it in the mock draft simulator. So don't go look at it now. Obviously, don't spoil the episode as we're going through it. But after that, just to let you know if you want to do more research or you didn't hear us talk about a certain guy, my big board is up on pff.com and you guys can see that and use the mock draft simulator

for it. So I had Bell, I had Bell at 81 overall right now and I can see the potential for him. Yeah. He just is like he's unpolished as a player and it was, I feel like he had a lot of really good focus plays and determined plays when he was getting the ball, not as much when he wasn't. And so, yeah, I think that he is a high potential player, but I can understand you having him in your top 50. Yeah, it's, it's not crazy. He has, some really big grades from teams going into the season. When I say really big, I'm not talking about, you know, top 15 pick, but he's, there's some expectations for him.

I like to watch in, obviously, the highs of his game are very, very exciting, as you said, Trevor. So we'll see what he could do this year. 43, DJ McKinney, the corner from Colorado. 42, Eric Singleton Jr., the speedy wide receiver now at Auburn, transferred from Georgia Tech. And then 41, we didn't do linebackers, so it'll be fun. you got to years about some linebackers today. 41 Anthony Hill Jr., the big linebacker for Texas.

Is he or LB1? No. Oh, so you do LB3. Whoa, okay. I watch, I'm not going to lie. I watched, you know, not the amount of players that we would for summer scouting, but I watched a couple linebackers, and I was like, damn, kind of wish we got to him. Yeah.

talking to it's because it really hasn't been great for a while in terms of volume this year I was like there's like five guys I've been pretty excited to talk about right now so can we talk a little bit about uh anthony hill junior I don't want it okay all right great so my top 50 uh no no so let's let's talk about Anthony Hill Jr the linebacker at Texas because I have him at 43 where did you have him oh really close I had him at 41 yeah so I had him at 43 we see him pretty similarly I think that this is a you know early second round type of a linebacker, at least from the tape that we saw last year and what I'm sort of projecting that he could be this year. He's a true junior this year. He's six foot three, 237 pounds. I think he can play a lot of different positions, but I certainly think he could play Mike for you. He's got a track background to him, which you love to see.

One an undefeated state title in 2020 as a junior, I believe. He's the green dot player for Texas, which means he's getting the defensive calls. He's communicating. He's doing all that great stuff. But my scouting summary for him is Hill Jr.'s underclassman tape is very impressive. His communication, recognition, and anticipation project to a starting NFL middle linebacker role. His change of direction and fluidity and agility aren't his standout traits, but his awareness makes up for that lack of a half step that he could maybe get if he was a little bit quicker.

He has plus arm length is a solid tackler, but he just needs some more impactful plays in coverage to be a surefire top 50 type of a player. yeah i think we seem exactly the same you brought up the resume already i mean he's appeared in 30 games already and he's only a true junior that's big deal freaking nuts so kind of tells you what they think of him from a responsibility aspect and mental capacity aspect big guy big body really kind of what you want your linebackers to look like at the position production's really jumped out what do you have 17 tfls last year i mean he dude have the He mastered the peanut punch, by the way, this man. He's high football IQ player.

It is, it is precise. He's a sniper with the peanut punch. There are just times where he knows, okay, I can kind of rear back and throw my haymaker here and knock the ball out. He's excellent at that. Like you said, there's some moments in coverage where team, he's a bigger linebacker, and teams will try to capitalize on that matchup in space. so that's the one area where like if you're going to be a linebacker in the first round

you basically have to be a machine that you have no weakness and you almost have to help a little bit as a rusher i'd like to see the coverage improve a little bit this year yep yeah so i like him so hey i knew we talk a little bit more in depth about linebackers than we did for other positions obviously guys if you if you want us to dive a little bit deeper on all of these players you can go back and listen to the positional previews that we did on a lot of these guys because we do spend a lot of time diving pretty deep into them there So did you get to 41? 41 was him.

Okay, so he was 41 for you. Anybody else that you kind of just, maybe we were going a little quick over that list, anybody that you just wanted to shout out. You did a good job, obviously, highlighting the 10 guys already, but anything else to say before I get to my first 10? I mean, real quick,

why I have Nicholas Singleton as a running back in the top 50 when this running back class doesn't have crazy expectations. I think there is a world where he has the straight line, speed, the size, some explosive ability, you know, to get himself into that round two running back conversation. So that's how he was the last guy to make the cut. But yeah, I think I've highlighted everybody else pretty in depth on here or on those specific shows. Who do you feel best about? Because, you know, I like that question. I love this group of 10 because I'll be honest, like there's a couple of guys that you have in your 50. And to, and to be honest,

with everybody like I've had to watch way more players this summer than you so the number of players that I might have in between certain you know players is just going to be more vast than you but like there are a handful of players that I have like not even in my top 100 that you have top 50 but like that's the type of that's the time of year for it right you lean on different things do you trust more of the tape that you saw are you leaning into physical traits athletic traits are you betting on the upside like it's it's always very fun to hear sort of where each analyst plants their flag a little bit at the beginning of the year as guys that they feel good about.

But is there a guy within that 10 specifically that you go, man, he is a my guy. I just feel good about him being in his top 50. Yeah, the two defensive tackles in Keenan and Dorel Jackson, Jr. I just love what they bring to your program from day one. They're gargantial, like they're massive human beings. Jackson's got these vines for arms. Obviously, Keenan has all this mass. They're very strong.

They play a really, really gritty brand of football. They try to control your line of scrimmages. They don't take plays off. I think there are two guys that should have a pretty good chance to stick in the top 75 throughout the year. I know you brought up, you know, Keenan's going to have a slow start, of course, because of the injury. But, yeah, the rest of the guys here are pretty big projections besides Hill. Like, Llewellyn needs to take on a bigger role. Wagner needs to get bigger and stronger.

Mendoza needs to eliminate some of the boneheaded decisions. So, yeah, I like the defensive tackles a lot back to back at 45 and Tim Kean in the third and 46, Daryl Jackson Jr. for Florida State. When we went over the positions, it's not a surprise. Like a couple of the guys that you have in your top 50 there, like we've already talked about. Like, I didn't see just the same way, whether it was I was judging really off of what they've been or what they could be, like Llewellyn. and um who is it looellen and i don't think you loved wagner yeah no i think those guys were the lowest that i have because those guys were like 140 and like 150ish for me and then uh darrell jackson junior i have fringe top 100 i have him 103 um i have eric singleton at 99 i have him as a fringe

100 guy. I know a lot of people love Singleton. I just, I get a little bit scared of the gadgety guys that I, yeah, I mean, if they're strong enough. And I kind of wonder that was Singleton, but we will get to see in the SEC. Mendoza for me is 92. Yeah, I don't, I don't think that. He definitely got a quarterback curve from me. Yes. And he, he is 47th on my big board because he's a quarterback with a chance to rise. He is not, I would say, definitively the 47th best prospect. in this draft right now.

And it's, it's tough. Quarterbacks are always tough, right? Because if you believe in him, then it's almost like hard to not put them top 50 or top 20 or whatever it is. So what I'm trying to do to combat that a little bit and to make things over at pff.com, certainly, and also, of course, here on this channel, as nuanced as possible throughout the draft season, we're going to have three different big boards that are live on pff.com.

I think for most of the season, there's going to be two that are at least live for most of of the season one of them it might take me a little bit of time to get this out but it'll eventually be out one is going to be my pure big board like what i think of these prospects where i have them ranked sort of what we're talking about in this show that's going to be on there that you guys can view the other one is going to be a pf predictive big board so i'm only going to have players on my big board that i have ranked and watched so i have 255 guys but on the pf predictive board i'm going to have over 400 like there's going to be guys from the senior bowl and the shrine bowl watch lists, some upperclassmen that I know that are going to be in this class that I just haven't

got to. But we want to give you a chance to draft those players. So a lot of them, you know, they're going to be day three guys anyways, at least their projections are to start. So that'll be in there and that'll be more of a predictive big board. I'll change the order for how I think the mock draft simulator should operate even independent of what I think of these guys. And then another one, the reason why I'm bringing this up is I'm going to try to have a positional value big board. And I'm going to take the formula that we have for PFF's wins above average metric for positions in production and I'm going to create what will be this positional big board and I think it's going to be fun to kind of revisit that throughout the season. So I think that was a,

it was good by you to sort of bring that up, that quarterback curve because I think it's very real and it's something that's really tough to have a consistent conversation about. Right. And one that I'm trying to do at PFF and certainly on this show as well. Yeah. And I'm, I take a pretty firm stance before the draft. If I don't think a quarterback is going to be that guy, I would, like, you don't get the curve that you get in the summer. There's a much more projection-based curve going on in the summer where, you know, like Desmond Ritter is, I mean, that's a random one to throw out. I didn't like Desmond Ritter at all, and I didn't just throw them in the top, whatever, 60,

I'm way lower than that, just because I was like, it's not my guy. But I've missed on guys like that before, too, but that's the game. Quarterback is so hard, man. It's so hard. It's just, it's such a fit. and how they process things and being the leader of the team and being the face of the franchise and there's just... Well, you know, it's funny.

Someone at NBC the other day was like, what do you think is going to end up being the best quarterback from that? Because we're talking about how Kenny Pickett's traded every four months. Yeah. And I was like, Brock Purdy. And they looked at me. They're like, oh, my God. Like, it's definitively Brock Purdy.

I forgot the Purdy was in that class. Yeah, it's not even close, Brock Purdy. But it's funny because now I have to. read the quarterback's taken yeah yeah who else is in that draft i mean no question it's it's it's brock purdy at this point but yeah it's but i'm going to go through the quarterback so that was two 22 right 22 so pick they went in this order picket ridder malique willis matt corral bailey zappie sam howl uh chris elodicon skiler thompson brock purdy dude

I mean that's is that out wild I mean number two is Howell yeah because Howell actually had I mean Wilkes kind of looks good when he comes in Will it could have a really long career

as a backup which is a giant win for him in that class but it is nuts when you think about it like that's tough Pickett just got traded Desmerruder just got cut Matt Crowell's not in the league Sam How is on like his third or fourth team.

Willis is on his second team and Brock Purdy is a franchise quarterback making millions and millions and millions. Yeah, Ritter's now not on our roster. No. You're right. Yeah, it's good for Brock Purdy, man. You know, it's funny with Brock, and a lot of people know this, but two years before that draft, there was a lot of hype for like expectations for him. People were like, Brock Purdy's got all the talent and he just didn't finish college those last two years as strong as people liked.

And he figured it out in the NFL. so it's amazing he is one of those guys where I mean it took me a long time to buy in to Brock Purdy because he is just not super physically gifted and there's just not a lot of quarterbacks that make it in the NFL there's not a lot of players that make it in the NFL right that are very below average when it comes to physical gifts whether it's height whether it's weight whether it's strength whether it's speed whether it's like arm strength like agility bend twitch whatever it is when what you need to do do at whatever position you're at, you are below average at that physically in the things

you can't teach. It's so hard for me to bet on you. And Brock Purdy does not have the physical gifts, but my goodness, that kid's got confidence, he's got accuracy, he's got touch, and he anticipates so, so, so well. So you've got to give him his credit for that. All right. 50 to 41 for me. 50.

I get Caleb Tiernan, the massive offensive tackle from Northwestern, the guy with one of the best past blocking grades that we had in college football last year. Number 49, I got Carnell Tate, the wide receiver from Ohio State, somebody who, when we talked about the wide receiver episode, he was somebody with, I was just like, God, I even wanted to see more from him because I know he's got it in him. And I think him sneaking into my top 50 here is me still really holding on to thinking this is going to be a great year for Carnell Tate. Kamari Ramsey, the safety from USC.

I have him at number 48. somebody who I love his instincts. Now, he still had some plays last year where very up and down. He was a very high variance player. But the highs, the good plays, the good games, man, it was good stuff. And I think that he's got a lot of versatility to play as a coverage safety, as a box defender, as a nickel defender at times. I think he could do it all.

So I really like Kamari Ramsey. And from what I've heard of the people who have, you know, either been a part of recruiting him over the years or, you know, people around that program, they speak very highly of him. And I think that that means a lot for somebody on that back end to have that sort of leadership in that character. Elijah Surratt, the wide receiver from Indiana, the contest to catch monster, have him at number 47 here. Number 46, a very different wide receiver. And that's why I had these guys back to back.

It was hard for me to really parse them out differently. Dionne Burks, somebody who I am a big fan of. You know, we talk about these kind of gadget guys who is Eric Rivers for you. Eric Singleton is another one that a lot of people like Zachariah Branch. There's a lot of these smaller wide receivers that are sort of these slot specific wide receivers. I guess like Casey Concepcion is kind of in that conversation, but he's a little bit more of a running back mixed into that as well. Give me Dionne Burks. Give me him.

And the reason why I like him above these other guys, he's maybe not as polished of a route runner as some of these other players. He still gets those schemed up gadgety touches. I understand it. Malachi Corley PTSD. Sorry to bring a position, Connor. But I do think that Dionne Burks. When you talk about the weight room numbers that this guy has, how strong of a football player he is,

that's at like pound for pound. I want you to be extremely strong if you are a slot receiver of that type. So he's got, I think he's got that explosiveness. And if he just works on the nuances of route running, I think we can have something special here. 45.

I got your boy Cassie as how. He's in your top 50, right? Oh, you bet you. Okay, all right. All right. Okay. So I remember walking through the edge rush her episode. and I was much lower on Cassius Howl, the edge rusher from Texas A&M.

And the reason why is because I was like, you know, when I watched him, I felt like he was a little bit stiff. I felt like he was a little hesitant to attack the outside shoulder consistently, even with a really good inside spin move. And I wondered if that was like, man, do you just not think you're fast enough? Do you not think that you have to bend? But he brings a lot to the table. He's got those powerful hands, that powerful pop and contact, the hands are always working. he's always trying to get clean. The two-handed swipe is very nice from him.

He's got a good long arm and that inside spin move is nasty. So this is somebody who had an elite 91.6 pass rush grade last season, above 19% pass-rush win percentage. He deserved to be in this top 50 after I watched a couple more games of them when we chatted for our edge rush episode. So I got him at 45. Teo Johnson, the safety from Utah, have him at number 44. Just a damn good athlete.

Built like an NFL safety needs to gain some weight. I'd love to see him gain 10 pounds. but if he does and he still has that sort of track background athleticism to him, ran a 10-8-2-100-meter dash when he was in high school. And if we go off of the Twitter scale that I tweeted out not long ago, I think that something sub-11 is very fast, not quite stupid fast, but very fast. And you love to have that on the back end,

especially for a guy who has as much single high safety experience as he does. I think he's a big play type of a dude. Anthony Hill Jr. from Texas is at 43. Antonio Williams, the wide receiver from Clemson. I have him at 42. And then my LB1, I have Tori and York at 41. Okay. Where do you have?

He's not in my top 50, but he's one of the five. When I said there's five linebackers that I was really excited to talk about. He was in the five. Torian's awesome, man. I get it. He is smaller. Let me get the measurements here for Tori in York, which he is also a true junior. He's at Texas A&M.

He's been starting since his true freshman season for two different coaching staffs now with Jimbo Fisher and with Mike Elko. So he is six feet tall, 230 pounds. It's eighth percentile and 14th percentile for the linebacker position in the NFL. His coverage stuff still a work in progress. He's much more of a downhill type of a linebacker, but my goodness, is he ever a great downhill linebacker? Somebody who knows how to sit through chaos, get through blocks, get to the line of scrimmage, get in the backfield, do it with urgency, communicate things, anticipate things really, Well, when there is, you go watch that Texas game specifically. And I love watching the Texas game from Tori and York.

And the reason why is because he was a Texas fan growing up. He wanted to play for Texas. And they did not recruit him at all. And so when he plays Texas, that's like a rivalry game. We've talked about it before on this podcast, whether it's for the final evals or whether it's for summer scouting. We love watching guys in big games. Conference titles, national championships,

college football playoffs, but also rivalry games, rivalry week, and the weeks, like, if you transferred to another school and you play that school, I want to see how you played. When you grow up as a fan of a team and they didn't recruit you, I want to see how you played. And he had his best game of the season, which is saying something because he's a very consistent player against Texas. There was a play specifically against Texas where they threw a swing pass into the flat and Tori and York is running to tackle the running back, basically before the ball is snapped. Like, he is taking off exactly to where he knows the running back is going to be because this guy is that big of a film junkie.

He wants to be great, not just physically, but also how to mentally prepare to be the best linebacker he can. They rave about who he is as a leader. The defense continuously looks at him despite him being an underclassman over the last couple of years. I get it. He's undersized and we do. We need to see more in coverage from him for him to be a top 50 type of linebacker. But I love what this dude is made of. I love his football IQ and his DNA. I think he's a stud. Really fun film. He is really small. I'm fascinating to see what he comes in at because I didn't have verified measurements of him either, which was interesting. I just had what the internet says, which ranges from 510 to 6 feet tall to like you said somewhere 2.30. and below um so yeah but there are some smaller linebackers in the NFL that you know have been really really standout players that the league doesn't they don't write you off if you're

undersized you just got to have the instincts and the athleticism to thrive he uh he's only linebacker in the top 50 well no i had uh anthie hill junior okay i'm still surprised those two linebackers yeah yeah yeah yeah i think yeah but it goes to show you this is a good linebacker class that we're going to go through how many how many how many Any other line? Four or five different names. 100. I have one that just missed my top 50.

Yeah. One, two, three, four, five, six. I have six more in my top 100. And then there's a seventh and eighth and a ninth that are like 112. Yeah, it's a good looking group. Really good looking group. There's a lot of fun guys in this class. Okay, 42, 31.

So two players right off the top that you just mentioned, 40, Camari Ramsey, the safety from USC, playmaker. He likes watching him. 39, Caleb Tiernan, the offensive lineman from Northwestern. Really happy that you had him in the top 50 as well, because with his lack of arm length, we don't know what he's going to be at the next level, but he's a damn good football player. A really clean prospect on the offensive line, and that should mean something. 38, my linebacker two, Sunny Stiles on Ohio State, who in 2020, in 2023 was a safety.

So it kind of goes back to your York conversation right now. guy like this is a guy that has been transitioning into being a real linebacker but that kind of athleticism and range shows up in styles game 37 i have lenora sellers the quarterback from south carolina at 37 what you do too i'm 38 yep you and i really oh that is bullshit of all of the places that you could have put that of all the places that you You can put Lenora Sellers. You can put Lenora Sellers at 1.15, and you could put him at five. And somebody out there would agree with you on both of those things.

And we have him one ranking apart. That is unbelievable. That's chemistry, folks. I mean, he was the first player in this entire draft class that you and I texted about. Like literally during summer scouting, when we were getting ready for the quarterback show, we talked about Sellers and how he is definitely further away. than many want to, you know, make you believe, but he also has physical ability that is easy to buy into why he can make the jump.

36, Dmani Jackson, the corner from Alabama, who I thought after being slightly disappointing at USC or just not living up to the crazy hype, was oddly, quietly, very good last year? I was like, oh, these are all the things that I wanted to see from you. The first time I watched you for summer scouting, you're starting to figure it out at Alabama with how talented that defense is it just I'm in on DeMani Jackson this year

35 now you're starting to feel like the quarterbacks that could be risers range because they're loaded with talent 35 is John Mateer the quarterback from now at Oklahoma so you're a little surprised no yeah I mean well look it's that time of year right

I mean like you're going to look at a lot there's going to be a lot of quarterbacks in the top 50 and I understand right where I had them during summer scouting he was right he right ahead of cellars so i and i think that you you had him a little higher than i did anyway so i shouldn't be too shy there's a lot of people out there that love john matured and i would love for him to be good because he's he's going to be fun that i'll go home with he's going to be fun as hell if he is good yeah they they have a lot of guys that are like even going back to your boy are mason thomas as much as i was obviously

lower on him than you him he's fun to watch the wide receiver Nick Anderson Like they have they have players that you watch them You're like oh man they do some things They're not a lot of guys could do Jade Nott is a perfect example Jay Nott's like you blink and he's gone So but it's it's all about all of these guys

Finding consistency as well So yeah it's It's they are such an interesting team And obviously Nick Anderson is at LSU now But he's you know when you watched his tape. Oh, right. Yeah, I forgot that he, I was thinking to him at Oklahoma.

Yeah, right. Because I went through my brain, I'm like, him and Berks aren't both in this offense. That'd be insane. So, yeah, I mean, he's at, he's at LSU now. Okay, so Meteer was 35, 34. You know how much I love him, Eric Rivers. Yes, small wide receiver at Georgia Tech. But I don't know.

There's just something different about this dude. Stay down on the table, baby. Yeah. Blame your guys. I think he is so freakish in the way he gets off the line of scrimmage that he actually could beat people over the top from the outside. And not a lot of guys that size could do that. I think he could do it.

33, continuing the trend. There's this bucket of Sellers, Matier, and Drew Aller for me, the quarterback at Penn State. Aller has developed a lot since we first talked about him on summer scouting a few years ago. He still needs to play better in the big games this year. Because it is a giant, you know, cloud over here. his scouting report right now where it's like when i watched the tape of you against ohio state i want to see the guy that i watched three weeks before that so all right i didn't

have him in my top 30 but he's right there at 33 32 a player that i liked during summer scouting and even grew on me more over the summer because i went back and watched him again because there's really big expectations Caleb lammu one of the offensive tackles from utah where it was you know how much we loved spencer fano where i think i loved phano so much that i I had this weird reservation to put Lamu so high. And then after we had the conversation about it, I went and watched him again. I was like, no, I think there's both just great. So Lamu ends up higher for me here than he even was on my tackle rankings.

And 31. Lamu or loamu? Do you know? Loamu sounds better. Okay. That sounds better. Yeah. 31, Mackay Lemon, the wide receiver at USC.

My boy. Yes. My boy, your guy. Your guy. Your guy. My receiver one, baby. We know we'll get to him. Number 40, speaking to the Oklahoma Sooners, I got Jadenot.

I got Jad Nott at 9040. Yeah, yeah. I think it is so funny how you were really high on Jad Nott. Was it last summer? I think it was last summer for summer scouting. And I was like, yeah, you know, a cow version. I don't know, I don't know. I've gone, I've kind of jumped off the bandwagon just because I just worry about his body.

We will see. I think his processing is awesome like I think the way that he sets guys up I think the way that he makes you miss in space when he is fully healthy now obviously that's that's an if and it's always a dangerous hit with the running back position but I think he can do it all I think he's a three down back I think he bounce off of contact that you make you miss

in open space I think he's got home run speed to him and I think he's got good hands in receiving game as well so I'm a big Jadenot fan I hope we get him fully healthy this year because I really do think that him in the tier could be a lot of fun I hope that Oklahoma offensive line is a lot better than it was last year. Because if it is, I think it's going to be a pretty electric offense. But we will see the college guys, Max and Dalton, they're kind of skeptical about that.

We will see. 39. I have Georgia defense attack of Christian Miller. You talk about a guy who you just know what you're getting. I mean, he's a great, great run defender and maybe who gave you some good passers reps. But even at that point, I mean, he's somebody that you can go out there and you're not afraid to throw in an NFL rotation even right now. as an underclassman last year and now draft eligible this year.

So have him at 39. Lenore Sellers, I mentioned the quarterback from South Carolina, have him 38. If you guys want to hear all our thoughts in depth on a lot of these quarterbacks, obviously you can go back and watch the quarterback episode. 37, I have Dalin Everett,

the cornerback from Georgia. This is another guy who I just think is really solid. And I remember watching Dalin Everett last year because he was draft eligible last year. And I was watching him sort of, as we were coming up to the declaration, date to, you know, go back to college or to get in the draft pool. And I was like, I think this guy gets drafted top 75 if he declares.

And then he didn't. So we'll end up seeing what happens this year. But I think he could do it all. He's one of those man coverage type of corner guys. He can play press. He likes to get his hands on you. He's got that length. He's got that overall athleticism.

He doesn't have a ton of ball production, if I remember correctly. But I think that's just because he covers really. He does. Very sticky. You know, he's a just missed guy for me. Like, he might be 53 on my board if it was bigger. He, so that's sort of the same conversation then. Charles Jagg you saw the offensive lineman, I guess I will say from Notre Dame,

who we talked about on the offensive tackle episode. I like him a lot. I've got him now at number 36, somebody who missed all but two games last year, played both guard and tackle in those last two games in Notre Dame's college football playoff run. And then this year, he had the ATV accident this summer where he broke his arm. And I don't even, I actually haven't looked. up what his timetable is to get back out onto the field.

But I don't think he's going to play offensive tackle now because they've got Wagner and they've got the other guy that they love at offensive tackle. He's a younger guy. I can't remember his name. But Jaggy Saw now would have probably played guard anyways just to get the best five out there. But I genuinely think this guy's got NFL starting abilities at guard and tackle. So I do like him a lot, even though there's unfortunate injury unknowns now with him

in back-to-back seasons. Big Citrus. Hell, yeah. Comes in at number 35 here on the rankings, defensive tackle from Iowa State. Joshua Joseph, the edge rusher from Tennessee, freaky, traitsy type of an edge rusher, man. And it even is just a designated pass rusher.

Like, that is deadly. What he is able to do, really high pass-rish win percentage last year, really high PFF pass-rush grades. Big fan of his potential. I hope he can kind of put it all together and round out his game as a run defender as well, but I got him at number 34. Jake Slaughter, the center from the University of Florida, Gator Great. I've got him here at number 33.

I think the slaughter's fantastic, man. I think he's got a case to be the top center in this class. I don't have him as a top center in this class. Spoiler alert. But I think he is a really talented player, especially for a zone blocking scheme. He runs, I think he moves very well. He processes things really well. Slaughter somebody who could absolutely be that.

I don't think for centers is tough to be a first round. pick but somebody who is absolutely going to be in that second round conversation as a future NFL starter. I think the slaughter has put that tape out there already. 32, I have Kenyon Sadiq, the tight end from Oregon. We talked about him in the tight end episode, what we did last week. And it's just, man, crazy athlete. It's just hard to not love the potential that this guy has. And now with Terrence Ferguson no longer there and Tess Johnson's not there anymore either. Evan Stewart, unfortunately out for the year, I think, with that AC. L injury.

It might have been a Patelor tendon, which is even worse. Oh, was it? Yeah, that's not great. I'd have to check. But it's, yeah, it's tough, tough. They're going to lean on Sadiq a lot. And we're going to get a lot of volume from him. And I think it's going to be a lot of fun to watch.

Jalen Kilgore comes in at number 31. He is the cornerback slash, I have them categorized as a nickel defender. Remember, guys, I have things broken up in a little bit more detail. I have separate cornerback rankings. I have man corners. I have zone corners. And then I have nickel defenders as well as coverage safety. and box safety. So I have those five categories where defensive backs can mainly find themselves

and Kilgore is one of those guys that, yeah, okay, if you look at him on the depth chart, it says CB next to his name, but he's kind of built like a safety. He's not really built like a corner. He doesn't really play a lot of outside corner to him. Maybe he'll play a little bit more of that this upcoming season, but he's somebody who could defend the run well. He's got good athleticism. He's got plus strength for being a defensive back. To me, he's perfect for that nickel defender type of a role. He's sort of that tight end matchup neutralizer type of a player. And in my opinion, I'm not necessarily saying that he's better than Nikki Menwari yet, but I like Jalen Kilgore and how he translates to the NFL more than I liked

Nickyman Worry. I felt like Nick sort of struggled around the box and defending the run and with tackling sometimes. And I don't really feel that way for Kilgore. And instead, I think that both those guys can defend in space decently well, especially against tight end. So I'm a pretty big Jalen Kilgore fan. I think he is a really talented player.

All right, 30 to 21. This is where it's going to get real interesting to see who we think we agree and disagree who the top players are now going into the preseason, going into the regular season. 30 for me, Denzel Boston, the physical wide receiver out of Washington. 29 for me, a corner I really like in A.J. Harris for Penn State. I think A.J. Harris has all the tools to go even higher than this slot. 28. Carnell Tate, I still believe in the breakout year for Carlin. carnell tate i think oh maybe yeah i still i still see it i understand we talked about some of his

shortcomings previously but let's see what carnell tate can can do this year um i like the talent and you know once again we had a long conversation with him about him during the wide receiver show and i'm not wavering from that 27 is my lb one and that's cj allen from georgia i wondered if you would have allan at lb one allan's a demon against the run an absolute demon and this is this is NFL style football the way he plays the run. I was really enjoyed watching his tape. The way he, he's just see, ball, get ball, run and chase, sideline to sideline, bang between the tackles.

I was really impressed. 26, I had a feeling this is who you were mentioning when you said there was one center higher than you had slaughter, right, as your center too, you said? Yes. So Connor Liu, the center for Auburn. Well, yeah, I mean, this is pretty special stuff. dude with connor i'm i'm so tempted i was so i also full transparency i have i have him at 30 yeah so i have him at 30 i wish i had him higher like i i just there's i don't know what to

say negatively about him well that was the whole linderbaum conversation right what doesn't he do well the linderbom combo was i want to just keep ranking him higher and higher and higher because i think he's a great player and i feel like that's going to kind of happen with connor Lou? Over time. There's a world where he's he's top 15 in my last. Yeah, he has the movement skills and the past protection ability. Dude, and, and and even, even like the, even like the little stuff, like, his base is super wide. He can get his butt all the way down. His back stays flat. His, his posture is fantastic. How he takes power is fantastic. Like, I just, what, I don't, I don't know. It almost comes down to, I felt like, I had at 30 and I was like, okay, that's high enough for a center.

But if I'm actually judging these guys on like how they are as a football player, this kid's a damn good one. I could see him ending up in my top 20 when it's all said and done. Maybe I'm a coward for not having him in the top. Maybe I am too, because I have him at 26 and he's a hell of a player. 25, you mentioned him, Cassius Howell, the pass rusher on A&M. I thought this dude was awesome last year. There's an argument he was better at rushing the passer than all the guys that went to

the NFL on this team. So Cassius Howell, I'd expect him pretty big. big things. 24, Francis Mowingoa, the tackle on Miami. We had a length. There's going to be a lot of tackles coming up in these next couple rankings. We talked about all of them. We can get back to it again because it's that kind of good of a group, but we'll rip through him. L.T. Overton, the big, heavy edge, really defensive end player from Alabama. This Alabama defensive line is loaded. 22, Xavier Chaplin, who is now at Auburn. He's a mammoth. Oh, yeah, the mammoth-sized offensive tackle.

I mean, you know how much I liked him when we did that. But I will say, Chaplin is one of those guys that, like, he could be picked in the top 20. Fast forward to the draft. He doesn't take the steps he needs to and doesn't, you know, doesn't improve on some of the things he needs to polish on, like the penalties. And he doesn't, you know, that was the tackle from Texas last year. Oh, man. It's not obviously.

Cal Campbell. No. Cam Williams. Wait. No. Yes. Yeah. Cameron Williams. Yes. Cameron Williams was that kind of guy that you in the summer, like I could see him going in the top 30 and people, people had some crazy things like scouts and teams had some big praise for him and you know, take the next step or you get exposed a little bit. So that chaplain, that'll be big for chaplain. And then 21, this is another guy that is kind of in no man's land because I liked his film a lot this summer.

And with the expectations for him going into this year, it's going to be a big put-up or shut-up. Kate Klubnick, the quarterback for Clemson. So, yeah, I had Klobnik at 21. Okay. All right. My, Connollu starts my top 30 off. I've got him at number 30. Like I said, I'm a coward for having him at number 30.

29, I have Austin Barber, the offensive tackle from Florida. I just think he's a really, really solid player. Zone blocking scheme guy again. Florida does that really well. Him and Slaughter, I think two of the best on that offensive line. And I think that Barber is, I think it Barber is, Finesse game, I think is really good for him. Sometimes I think he struggles with power.

He's got to get a little bit better at that. And I think that might hold the key for him to be a back end of the first round type of an offensive tackle. But I think at the very least, early day two type of a guy, second round type of guy. I think he's shown that on his tape already. 28, I have Kellrick Falk, the edge rusher from Auburn. Really great run defender. great length, fantastic strength for the NFL level.

It's just a matter of, can he be a better pass stretcher? Does he have more in the tank and does he have more in the repertoire other than just a long arm and bull rush? Because that's basically all he had last year. And the reports are that he's kind of been in the lab. I'm very excited to see it. He's very physically gifted. So if he continues to show more pass-wish moves and not just trying them, but being successful with them. Yeah, I mean, he's somebody who could absolutely be a middle of the first round type of a player with how gifted he is.

27, I have Caleb Banks, the defensive tackle from Florida, a really great, one gap penetrating, three technique defensive tackle, somebody who could really, if you are in a four downline, an attacking style defense, I mean, this guy is for you. If you want him to hold up against double teams and two gap all the time, eh, it might be some mixed results, but if you get him in an attacking style defense, man, he knows how to shed blocks, he's got that strength to him. He plays a little high naturally because he's big, but hey, if you take the good with being big, you got to sometimes take the bat and not have the leverage naturally. But I think he's really strong and I think he's certainly an NFL player.

It just depends on where it's going to be back into the first round, second round, something like that. We'll see. 26, I have Armisen Thomas, my boy, just an absolute speed demon, bad out of hell. The second the ball is snapped. He is a major bet that I am taking here early on in this draft cycle to say like, hey, yeah, one-dimensional, but that dimension has, so high of value when you can get into the backfield and get after the quarterback the way that

he has the potential to. 25. Blake Miller, the offensive tackle from Clemson. I was a Blake Miller believer last year. I'm still a Blake Miller believer this year. And if I'm going to be the highest on Blake Miller, so be it. I would love to see him play a little bit bigger, a little bit stronger this upcoming season. But I'm not saying that he's Will Campbell, but there is too much, there There's too many shades of Will Campbell in how he plays for me to not, for me to give up on this guy. And Campbell played with better power than Fisher did and Eric Miller did, excuse me, but there's so much there. The patience, the footwork, the stance, the posture, like how he redirects his hands and resets, how he anticipates different rushers. You could tell that he studied all of them, how quickly his feet can move.

There's so many good things about Blake Miller that I just can't give up on this guy. So I got him at number 25. Dylan The safety from Purdue, who is now at Oregon, who I think is a big time playmaker on the back end. I have him at 24. This is somebody who the Purdue tape two years ago was phenomenal when they had him in a single high safety role. Last year, they were kind of moving him around. He played a little closer to the box. He played a little bit of Nickel Defender, and he just was not as impactful.

I think that Oregon's now going to have him much more on that. single high go get the ball as it's in the air and defend deep type of a role and that to me is very valuable because even though it's a too high world that we live in now it's at the NFL level if you have the ability to change it up and go to you'll play cover three play cover one and have a lot of confidence about the single high safety that you got playing deep back there that is very very valuable and i think dylan thinaman can be that 23 i have kate klubnick as well the quarterback from clemson 22 i have denzel boston the wide receiver from Washington. Nice. And then at 21, I have Sam Levitt from Arizona State. I am a big Sam

Levitt guy, one of the lowest turnover-worthy play rates last year. Now, he didn't have to throw the ball a lot. And so with more throwing this year, with no Cam Scadaboo, we'll see if that turnover-worthy play rate can stay lower. But even though he's a little bit smaller of a quarterback, boy, is his arm live. I love Sam Levitt. I'm a big fan of everything that he brings to the table. I hope he plays this year confidently because I think he can really take the next step and be a heck of an NFL prospect. I think that ranking shows how high this show is on Denzel Boston. I mean, clearly he's both a top 30 player for us and in line for just a really,

really big time season. Wide receiver four for me overall and my number one X on the line of scrimmage. He is wide receiver three for me. So, yeah. So you have a couple left to get through. I do. I do. Before we get into your top 20, got to talk to all the parents out there.

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keep up with the kids i got to keep up with kids we got to try to get this market money from somewhere i wave the white flag i just number 20 big six Lichrist, Dominique Orange, defensive Lyman, Iowa State. 19. I was kind of surprised how high have this guy because I don't really fall into this big of projections too often at this position. But Kenyon Sadiq at Oregon, you highlighted it all, Trevor. It's just all there for him. I mean, it's just he's going to get the target share he needs.

He's a freakish athlete. I think what sold me on it is that I do like him as a blocker more than I thought I would. yeah i was i was like at least the efforts there from the the effort and the tenacity is there and his if you know the fact that he had a spring weight of two forty five it's it's going the right direction for this guy to to really really become blossom into what everybody thinks he could be it's kind of really hard right now to not be high on kenyon sedique like i think that if you asked draft analysts who have watched him and have watched a sample size of enough just players, I can't imagine anyone has him, even with his low production, like outside of their

top 60. You know, I just, it's just, it's so hard to not be high on what he's dripping with traits at the position. So, right. And then if you're only, like, if you're scouting and only looking at what they did last season, then I don't think you're actually scouting the way that you need to be right to do this job. So anyways.

18, this is kind of a boring one, but Christian Miller at Georgia, the defensive line. Oh, you got him all the way up to 18. Yeah, I just, I just, you said, like, we know what he is, and I'm like, yeah, he's really good at not only playing with, like, strength and defending the run, but I think we'll see some more pass rush this year. I do. I think there'll be more on his plate to kind of expand that. Number 17, Keldrick Falk, at Auburn, I mean, he's got the size and the strength, and you mentioned him developing some new pass rush moves that would really take his game to the next level. 16 this is somebody that will probably be higher for more for most people but kaden proctor the tackle at alabama okay once again i broke i'll maybe we do circle back on him for this show

but broke down some of the things that he needs to work on on the tackles episode 15 david bailey the pass rusher from stanford to texas tech i just think he's like my r mason thomas he is he is yes i like it is i love that you and i are just planting the flag on guys who it's like, yep, they do one thing well. Right. Nope, don't care. That is me with David Bailey. David Bailey is just a menace when he could pin his ears back and get after the quarterback.

14, another guy that I'm just betting on the traits. Isaiah World, the offensive tackle now at Oregon. I love the traits. I think he's going to get the development he needs there. This is what a franchise tackle physically should look like. Let's see what the coaching does for him. 13, this is my favorite player in the draft in terms of just having a guy.

It's Xavier Scott, the cornerback at Illinois. He, if you're 13. I think Xavier Scott. Oh, you're a madman and I love you for it. Holy shit. I think he is a defensive weapon. Defensive weapon. And even so, Friday night.

You do think he's Devon Witherspoon. You got him 13. He's not that guy in coverage yet, but in terms of wreaking havoc he is yeah he is that guy we have uh our friday night game in mbc is illinois against western illinois and whenever i'm allowed to talk on the pregame show i'm just talking about xavier scott open the mic open the mic open the mic open the mic open my i'm screaming it so loud you hear me on other mics oh man great television great television that's good for week one they're gonna be like yeah i'll last one week

on the show this year 12 the tight end one of the show max claire at ohio state now which you know when i when i when i had him here i was like is this is this a little high but then he he's just one of the better players i watched this summer so i was like no don't overthink this have max claire in the top 15 and then 11 a guy that's working his way back from injury jermad mccoy the cornerback tennessee's these are really good player okay yeah so uh for me uh this is a player that I was, actually, I don't know. Did you watch Trey Wilson? I can't remember if you did from Florida.

No. I don't think you did. I have Trey Wilson 20. I don't think that you watched him when we did the wide receiver episode. I think he's phenomenal. I think he's unbelievable, man. I have like 700 notes on him. Oh, so you just hate him.

Yeah, I, I, I'll tell you exactly where I had him. I did have him. as wide receiver 16 i'm sorry i'm sorry i like that i like that you're cool though you call him tray not his name almost which is eugene his name is you yeah why don't you why don't you watch when you watch tictox one time that's why when you said did you watch tray wilson i froze like oh my god he has a player in his top 20 that i didn't watch and then i'm like oh you mean eugene wire receiver 16 yes i watched eugene yeah no It's the, it's the, it's the Bruce Wayne to Batman alter ego.

When he puts on the helmet, he becomes Trey Wilson. All right. When he's in the classroom, getting his degree in aerospace engineering. I have no idea if that's what he's studying. Oh, man. Go ahead. Anyways, I think that Eugene Wilson, the third, aka Trey, I think he's got phenomenal movement skills. I really do.

He was hurt last year, and I think that you could, you could tell, even when he was out there, it just was not the same. The quarterback carousel, I think, did not help really either. But I do think that it's a really talented wide receiver room in Florida this year. They got a couple of young guys as well who are going to get into the mix. But a fully healthy, Trey Wilson, I think is a difference making wide receiver. I really do. I think he is a his skill set, his movement skills, his Twitch, all of that is so fantastic

for a flanker type of a wide receiver that could play inside and out for you, get yards after catch, be a great route. runner create a ton of separation. So if we really do see the best version of him, I think we are talking about a difference making wide receiver. I really do. I like him a lot. Max Claire,

tight-in one in this class. I have him. Oh, wait. Francis Mali-Goa, the offensive tackle from Miami. I have it. There is. Right before him.

18, I have Max Claire, tied-in one in this class. 17. I have Garrett Nussmeyer, the quarterback from LSU, somebody who, if, if Nussmeyer, calm down over there.

I got a top 20. I've got top 20. Just compare him to Matt Corral while you're at it. Yeah, I mean, he's kind of like Matt Corral. I was just trying to think of a quarterback from the class we discussed earlier. And I was like, yeah, I'd put, I'd put Gary Musselmire right, right in front of Matt Corral. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And by right in front, I mean, probably by about 30 rankings.

Yeah, I think that Garrett Nussmeyer is a gunslinger. He's so much fun to watch. There is a path for him to be a top 10 quarterback. No, there's no question about it. In fact, I think I have Drew Aller, whose name I'm going to say here in a second as well. If one of Drew Aller or Garrett Nussmeyer comes out of last year's class, they're QB2. One of those two guys gets drafted after Cam Ward. I fully believe that.

I really do. So I think that he's got a great arm. He's a little undersized for the position, but it doesn't seem to affect his arm strength too much. It's just a matter of can the big time throw rate stay up while the turnover where the play rate stay down. That's sort of where I'm at with Garrett Nussmeyer. But he is a ton of fun and he could absolutely not just be a first round pick type of a quarterback, but somebody that we talk about in the top 10.

16, I got Ruben Main Jr. from Miami. Edge rusher, defensive tackle. I think he can play a lot of those different positions. I wasn't exactly sure what I put him on this list. And then I went back and I watched another full game of him. And even though he's not built like in. edge rusher when it comes to arm length. You know, he's not built like a defensive tackle

when it comes to overall weight. He's just really good to get in the backfield. He is. I mean, I love the hand usage, the hand speed. He's working on all different types of pass rush moves. He defends the run with a lot of pride. Like, he's just a really damn good football player. So I still wanted to have him pretty high

on this list, so I got him to 16. I think you'd be a really good NFL player. Caden Proctor, you mentioned, having him, I think you had him at what, 16 or 17? Um, I have 15, yep. So, okay. I wonder, I wonder if he's a guard at the NFL level. Right.

Really, yeah. But I still think he could be a difference making offensive linemen, whether it's a tackle or even if it's guard, which is not the last time that we will have that conversation. 14, I have Caleb Lomu from Utah. There it is. I get it. Like, it's not quite there yet. He's got to gain some weight.

Got to play stronger. Got to anticipate a little bit better. Hand timing, hand placement. just all of that needs to get better but this guy moves the way that you want him to move and I think he's I think that I think he has the ability

to be a starting offensive tackle in the NFL I just love everything that he brings to the table and I hope he plays a little bit stronger this year because I think we see a hell of a player if he does 13 Avion Terrell the cornerback from Clemson small but man it's hard to not love what he brings to the table he's got the NFL bloodlines

with his brother AJ Terrell playing in the NFL you could tell that he has an NFL brother because, man, he prepares that way. And I know that for a fact because I see it on tape. I don't even need to be in the building at Clemson to know. This guy watches tape. He anticipates really well. He's got great instincts, great breaking on the ball.

He's just really small. He's a really small corner. So we're going to have that conversation plenty throughout the year. Drew Aller, the quarterback from Penn State. I have him at number 12. I agree with you completely. He's got to play better in bigger games. When the lights are brightest, he needs.

to play his best this upcoming season and Penn State is going to have the opportunity to once again play in a ton of big games and I think they are a college football playoff team again this season they're going he will have the chance for his redemption in some of those big games but quietly he's had back-to-back seasons where he's had above an 82 pff passing grade I mean like he got better last year the beginning part of last season we were talking about him as QB1 in last year's class for how well he was playing the physical ability is all there for him and to be fair to Drew Aller, he got, he was better last year than what he was the previous year. Right. That's exactly right. So if he gets better in 2025, I think we're going to like the

prospect that we have. I am sort of afraid that he gets the Bonnix treatment where even if he gets better, are people going to accept that given that he has been disappointing, I think, for the better part of the last year and a half. There have been games where he showed up, but like you said, the big games that Penn State plays, his reputation is that he doesn't show up when they really need him to in those moments. So I just wonder if he gets the Bo Nix treatment, because we saw what happened with Nix. Nick's got way better at Oregon than what he was at Auburn, excuse me, and people didn't

give him the credit for it, and that lasted all the way throughout the draft cycle. And Nicks played very well as a rookie, and I think Nix is going to play really well in his second year in the NFL, too. So I think that we might have a similar situation there. But anyway, it's just the overall, he checks all the boxes physically for an NFL quarterback. So it's really hard for me to put him lower than this. So I got him at 12.

And then Jordan Tyson, the wide receiver from Arizona State. I have him at number 11. One of the best route runners that we have in the class, one of the best intermediate receivers that we have in the class, just an all-around really nice wide receiver that we've got for 2026. Yeah, I love Jordan Tyson. He's going to be in my final group here. Let me just go 10 to 1.

10 to 1. 10 to 1. So 10 for me, I have Caleb Banks from Florida at 10. Ooh. I don't know. Is that, yeah, that kind of all of a sudden feels a little juicy here. I think that's too. Having him at 10, I think that's juicy.

Man, he just, he's got these long arms, massive frame, huge hands. He's quick off the ball at that size. And you should not be quick off the ball at that size. Like you said, the pad level you got to keep an eye on, but when it's right, that pure power and strength and disrupt the pocket, I was a big fan of Caleb Banks. Nine, Rudin Bain Jr., the pass rusher from Miami, he's not everybody's going to buy into him like this, but he is absolutely one of those players that is a bigger built edge, like thicker built edge. and when you just look at going back to the freshman year tape of what this guy was able to do

in that 2023 season he could take over he could really really take over so I saw moments from him that gave me some Jared verse where I was like oh man loved me some Jared verse and that's worked out really well for the Rams

yeah I don't think he's that level of a prospect yeah I don't think he's the level of a prospect verse was going versus going into his final college season when it was a surprise he went back to school but still really really impressive reps eight garret nussmeyer the quarterback at lSU he it's going to be funny watching how people view him because he's not going to give you rushing but he i just love his big arm mentality like big like he'll hunt the big play he's fearless he's smart seven one of the best players in the entire draft and the entire

nation in Jeremiah Love, the running back in Notre Dame. I mean, he's a one-man wrecking crew. Six, T.J. Parker, my top-edge pass rusher in this class at a Clemson. Five, Jordan Tyson, my top wide receiver in this class at Arizona State. You talked about how silky

he is. It's, it really, he could be a number one wide receiver in an NFL offense when healthy. Four, Spencer Fanon, my top offensive tackle out of Utah, just buries people. Three, Arch Manning, my top quarterback out of Texas will ultimately see not only how Arch plays this year,

but if he decides to enter the NFL draft, to Caleb Downs, the safety at Ohio State, who very much has the argument as the best player right now in this draft, but that honor goes to Peter Woods, defensive lineman at a Clemson who he doesn't need to because they got so much talent, but he could be a one-man wreck the game presence in the middle on that Clemson team.

Yeah, the top five, maybe more of the top four, I just, I think are awesome. I can't wait to just watch them play this season. No, there's not. They're just really good football players, man. And there's a lot of good football players here. There is one in my top 10 that you did not list. In my top 50. In your top 50.

Oh, I'm very interested in this. At least I think, unless I missed him. A second ago. Who is your, go top 10 really quick? My top 10 was Caleb Banks, Ruben Bain Jr., Garrett Nussmeyer, Jeremiah, Love, T.J. Parker, Jordan Tyson, Spencer, Fano, Archmanning, Caleb Downs, Peter Woods. Okay, yeah, there is one guy that I have here. Number 10, I have Mackay Lemon, my boy.

Yeah. He was your guide during the wide receiver episode. My wide receiver one going into the year, a separation artist, somebody who, yeah, okay, he's a slot wide receiver but man he's a deadly one like the the conversations with him in my opinion are similar to the way that we talk about jack smith and jigba and i wonder if he has more twitch than jacks smith and jigba now that's not to say i'm saying like oh he's a better prospect like they're they're just a little bit different where lemon has a little bit more twitchiness in how he moves whereas um i think jack smitha jigba is a little bit more buildup speed

a little bit more of like rounded routes but he just does it so well and it gets him in positions to be a yards after catch monster as well. So I think the similar conversation, though, about those guys being in the slot and absolutely dominating. Nine is Jennings Dunker for me from Iowa. Did he, you watch him, right? Yeah, I watched him.

So because he, I watched him for our tackle show and then I was like, I don't see it. So I want to be very clear here. I think he's a guard. I think I am ranking him as a guard. But this dude is such an ass kicker. He had an elite PFF run block.

grade last season. I think we can see a similar performance for him, which would be back to back years of elite run blocking grade. I mean, he is a spit and vinegar, run straight through you, through the whistle, carry you to the sideline and out of the stadium type of blocker. He's got vice grips for hands. He's an absolute bull. The leverage that he plays with is fantastic. He just plays tackle for Iowa, and he just doesn't have the arm length to play tackle in the NFL. But when you kick him inside, you don't have to worry about any of that. Instead, you just get all the phenomenal returns. I mean, he could be a zone blocking player for you.

He could be a polar and power concepts. I mean, I think this dude is a stud. I love Jennings Dunker. So, yeah, got him at night. I love the, but yeah, he's definitely a guard prospect. I thought Jack Sawyer gave him a little bit of a hard time last year when I watched that tape this summer. But he's definitely a position change guy at the next level. I think that when you put him in.

side, it mitigates a lot of the things that you would worry about with him. And I instead just think he could be a phenomenal guard. Number eight, I have Jeremiah Love, the running back at a Notre Dame. As you mentioned, one of the best playmakers in this class. Seven, I have Jermon McCoy. I know, like, he's coming back from the ACL. We got to see it. But, I mean, I don't know if anybody covered Ryan Williams better last year than Jermon

McCoy, especially in that first half. Williams got a couple of catches on him in the second half. But, man, that first half against Williams, I don't think anybody played him better. And I think that's a first round NFL wide receiver right there, too. Number six is the cornerback that I have slightly above your mom, McCoy. I think AJ Harris is awesome. I love AJ Harris. Yeah, there's a lot to like with AJ Harris.

Especially as a run defender man. Like, when you talk about guys that are playing in man coverage schemes, I mean, a lot of times, like, you've got to be able to hold your own. And that not only means that you've got to be able to be sticky in coverage, but that also means that if you yield a catch, you've got to be able to bring somebody down, or there's going to be a lot of grass between them and the next closest defender. And I think that when it comes to tackling,

also defending the run for things in front of him, when he is playing zone, he's fantastic. He does not have the ball production yet, but I don't think that's a lack of ability. I think that is much more of like a, hey, sometimes corners just don't get the opportunity for it. So I'm a big AJ Harris guy. I have him at number six here. Number five, T.J. Parker, the edge rusher from Clemson.

Number four, his teammate, Peter Woods. Number three, I have Spencer Fano. Just an insane run blocker and somebody who I think has all the makings of a starting and impact offensive tackle in the NFL. Number two, I have Arch Manning, kind of simply because he hasn't started a game yet, but then number one, I have to go with Caleb Downs. Caleb Downs is just for him to have the resume that he already. has as an impact starting defender as a safety, a coverage safety, a box safety, a nickel

defender, a pseudo linebacker for Alabama as a true freshman and then for the Ohio State National Championship defense, the kids got it all. He is at Ohio State, Connor, he had an above 80 grade in coverage, in run defense, in pass rush, and then obviously overall. all defense as well. He, it's just a, the communication from everything that we hear, the work ethic, the leadership, um, I don't think a safety will go number one. Right. I think the days of that are over.

That will not happen. But much like, I think didn't, do you have gentie number one in your, or did you have like Bijon like number two or so? Like, I remember you. had a running back in your top three and it's like are those guys going to go top three in the draft no no but that doesn't change who they are as football players on a big board as we're ranking them so that's sort of so there you go yeah yeah yeah and we're didn't you have bison super high too probably i think i think i had i think i had sayquan number two in his draft so

it's it's sort of that similar conversation of uh of where we're at there but yeah i just i love Caleb. Talent is talent. He is a pro through and through. And like you just said, talent is talent. Caleb Downs is one of the best defenders I've ever watched in college football against screens.

Because he knows he's coming. He has a six cents. He's urgent. He's got the proper athleticism, hip fluidity. He's physical. I love that he plays in the box, free safety, the slot, and all special teams units. Awesome football player.

He'll be the classic case of, I don't know. Someone takes him between the ninth and 12th picks, and everyone's like, well, they got a surefire all-pro. Connor Lou might be the same, by the way. I know. Well, we're going to have Conner Liu at Prospect 2 after this. It's going to be Caleb Downs,

and it's going to go Conor Lou, and then Arch Manning. That's not the final big word. I only take three players in this draft, by the way. Who are the bootchip players? Safety, a center, and a guy whose last name is Manning. A guy with the greatest bloodlines in NFL history. Yeah. Is it three, of course.

Anybody else, do you want to shout out? We had a couple that were just outside of your top 50. I don't know if you have a list of. I could shout out some guys as well if you're looking them up. But, yeah. Jonah Coleman, the running back at Washington, I really, really like. He was somebody that just missed that. There was a couple other ones here.

I want to see what the Godfather. Dante Corleone does, you know, really healthy and right this year. Sure. Mateo Lunglea, like, I know people are going to ask about him. You and I had a, we had a long combo of what he needs to get better at with the Edge Pass rush group, but you'll see him, I'm sure, in a lot of top 50 boards. He didn't make this one. I love that you had Dailen Everett in yours.

I really like Dailen Everett, and he'd be a top 60 player for me as well. Jonah Coleman, 62 for me. Nice. Mateo Uyungalala is 66, so those guys are kind of right there in that conversation. Again, if you guys want to see my big board, you can go see it over at pff.com. You can go to the big board tab, and the 255 is up there. I'll just for fun read 60 to 51 real quick. Nick Anderson, the wide receiver who was at Oklahoma and now at LSU.

I'm a big believer in what he could be as a vertical stretching wide receiver. So I have him at 60. Nick Singleton, I have at 59. Your boy, David Bailey, I got a 58. LLC, what, wait, what was the, uh, shoot, what was the other L for? Long, long lad catcher. Yeah, yeah, LLC. Tanner, Tanner Coziel, um, the tight end there.

I have him at 57. Uh, Gabe anywhere close. Big Christmas is 79. Yeah, I figured he's just in a 70. Yep. Uh, Gabe Yacchus. Accus. Accus.

Yacus? Accus. Jackus. Oh, man. It's Accus. Gabe Accus, the edge rusher slash, I kind of think he might be a D-tackle. He's a large fella for an edge. For Illinois.

I'm standing up. Yeah, I have him at 56. L.T. Overton, I have at 55. Armage Reed Adams, the interior offensive lineman for Texas A&M. I have him at 54. Malik Mohamed, the cornerback from Texas. I have at 53. Deonté Lawson is another lineback.

I really like in this class. He played really well last year before he got hurt. Him and Witt Weeks were part of the six, five or six that I liked that I watched already. Where's Weeks? But you had York as well in that combo. York's really good. It's a good linebacker group, man.

Weeks is 84 for me. I have him 84. Kyle Luis, the Will Linebacker from Pittsburgh. Talk about guys who play with their hair on fire. I got to watch him. He's awesome. I have Luis 78

And then The last one, 51, C.J. Fight The defensive tackle from Arizona State The way we talk about Christian Miller Basically the same way that you talk about C.J. Yeah. Could put him on an NFL team

He'd be a rotational run stuffer for you today. It's just a matter of, does he develop as a path? Yeah, do you get more? That to me is what we got to see there. There we go. There is the initial big board conversation that we have for the 2026 NFL draft. Of course, we would love to hear from you guys. Best way to do that. YouTube.com backslash at NFL Stock Exchange. Let us know in the comments. We would love to hear from you guys. This is obviously a big episode. A lot of names. It is. It's a special. It's a special

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We got college football starting this weekend, which we're very excited about. Monday, we're going to, of course, do the way too early 2026 mock draft. So that's going to be coming for you Monday. We're going to start the season off with a mock draft Monday, of course. Cowboys fans, special hello to you, now having two first round picks. Welcome to draft season. Welcome to draft season for the next two years. Oh, my goodness.

My God, how did this get? Anyways. So, yeah, we're going to be doing a. our first round mock draft of the season on Monday and then on Wednesday is going to be the very first you know, stock watch. That's right. Real week one action. And I mean, could they give us more to talk about?

I don't remember a week one with this kind of prospect. It's going to be awesome. Ohio State plays Texas. The fact that you have Ohio State playing Texas and you have LSU playing Clemson. It's going to be awesome. It's going to be sick. It is awesome.

And I mean, listen. Western Illinois and Illinois is Friday night on NBC. Michigan is on Saturday. I was just about to say, Connor, in case you guys have missed it throughout other episodes, Connor is going to be doing college football coverage for NBC this year. Brother, tell the people where they can watch you this weekend. Thank you, man. I'm really excited.

It's my first year being a part of it for the whole season. I filled in a couple times last year very briefly, but we have a great crew for our Big Ten countdown show, pre-game show. Well, basically every Saturday we're on at seven. We have plenty of double headers, though, sometimes we'll also be on at 3, 630, stuff on Peacock, but I'll be joining a really, really special crew, you know, Ahmed Farid, Chris Sims, Nicole Auerbach, Joshua Perry, I'll be joining them for a segment every single show.

And we have a pretty sick schedule, like all, especially as a prospect guy. I can get excited for any Big Ten game because, I'm like the one like, I don't care that Illinois's, you know, minus 47 and a half against Western Illinois. I want to see Xavier Scott and Luke Altmeier and all the guys. So, yeah, thank you, man. It is a role that I'm really excited to be working Saturdays this year because it's different for me. It's going to put me, you know, you and I do a stock show almost every week. So we're constantly watching college tape and college football.

But this is the most immersed I will feel in college football since back in BR in like 2018 or 19 when I traveled all the time for it. So it's going to be really, really cool. And here we go. What times? What times? This week, Friday and Saturday will both be 7 p.m. Eastern Time. Okay, 7 p.m. Eastern Time. And then that is on Main NBC?

Saturday is always on Main NBC. Friday, I think, is our Peacock special. Okay. All right. Just wanted to make sure. You're too good. Buddy, I'm so excited for you. I can't wait to watch you kill it with college football coverage as well.

Oh, my God. Yeah. Xavier Scott makes a... Xavier Scott makes like a common, like gang tackle, like four guys. And you're just hammering the button. You're just like, open the mic. None of you listen to me. They're like, dude, relax.

Well, in the NFL I'll see Big Board show. Yeah, yeah. It was a special episode. Finney, you watched it. Oh, God. Every episode is special. Everyone is. Do this stuff for you guys.

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