NFL Stock Exchange: An NFL Draft Podcast - Our Top 150 NFL Draft Prospect Rankings (Final Big Board!)

Episode Date: April 20, 2026

Trevor Sikkema and Connor Rogers give you their Top 150 Big Board for the 2026 NFL draft. WE'RE TRYING TO GET 75K SUBS ON OUR YOUTUBE CHANNEL BY THE TIME THE NFL DRAFT IS OVER! PLZ HELP US BY SUBSCRIB...ING TO OUR CHANNEL! It's 100% free and helps us out a bunch. Thanks! WE HAVE A DISCORD!!!!! JOIN HERE! https://discord.gg/AjqamEUyEW https://discord.gg/AjqamEUyEW?feature=description if the link doesn't work for you, just search 'NFLStockExchange' on discord and it'll pop up Follow us on X: https://x.com/NFLSEshow https://x.com/TampaBayTre https://x.com/ConnorJRogers We appreciate each and every one of you ADDICTS :) For business or other inquiries, reach us at nflseshow@gmail.com Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

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Starting point is 00:00:27 Baby, big citrus. Get on the guy. The NFL Stock Exchange show and welcome to draft week, baby. As you can tell from the cold open, we're fired up. Only a couple of days until we get to the first round of the 2026 NFL draft. And of course, with it being the Monday of draft week, we got to give you guys the final big board. So Connor and I are going to go over our top 150s. I have not seen Connor's final rankings.
Starting point is 00:01:05 He has not seen mine. We've got round grades, round projections, and everything in between. happy draft week to you Happy draft week I'm doing great man woke up a little extra pep in the step today feeling good you hit the NFL group chat
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Starting point is 00:05:21 let's get right to it here at the top of the show. Top 150s. So Tyler the chef tried to, tried to pack as much as he could on every screen because you're going to see our big boards back to back. So the way that we're going about this is we're going to do it in increments of 20, going from 150 and then down. all the way to number one,
Starting point is 00:05:42 but when we get to the top 50, we'll do them in increments of 10 because we'll spend a little bit more time on those guys and have a good conversation here. So let's go. Connor, your 150 to 131 here. So we've got these round cutoffs that you guys will see
Starting point is 00:06:01 where some of the round five grade start, round four grade start. So the chef's doing a really great job. You can already tell that he's cooking with hot oil here with the graphics that we have. But you don't have to go through every single player, but just kind of like walk through some of the guys that might be the standouts here for your 150 to 131.
Starting point is 00:06:22 Man, this is a, it's a fascinating group, how many decent players are packed into that third to fourth round range in this draft. And a lot of that is the lingering effects of, you know, the final COVID year and NIL and the transfer portal and the effect on player development. Maybe not for the guys in the top 30 picks, but the guys in the middle of the draft. Like Demonte Capehart, I'm looking at right there.
Starting point is 00:06:48 Six-year player at Clemson, really solid rotational. I think he was a five-star, but he just turned to a really good rotational nose tackle. It plays with power, strength, that size. He's not going to give you a ton of snaps, but the snaps he gives you are going to be really, really important in the middle of your front. You know, you look at obviously at Drew Aller's probably a name that pops to people. I get it, man. Where do you have, Aller? 137.
Starting point is 00:07:14 Dude, I'm like the same thing, man. I'm kind of the same. Right. You just kind of sit, you know, and I would imagine he's higher on consensus board. Probably. Oh, yeah, let me check Reeves consensus board. So, you know, what it is with Aller is it's just like the longer time went on, he just didn't develop into that natural passer that you wanted him to be,
Starting point is 00:07:36 despite being big, having arm strength, some tough downhill, running. He's a gamer. But the natural rhythm throwing to me, especially in the bigger games, just that green light never fully turned on where I'm probably on the lower end with Drew Aller and the lower end of this quarterback class as a whole. I will say Devin Moore at the top at 131. I know you've praised him a bit, Trevor. He's somebody that if he ended up being a much better player than 131, I would not be surprised. He's just been banged up. A couple of He's had a lot of injuries. He's had a lot of different injuries, but he's got size, ball skills.
Starting point is 00:08:14 This was a really good year at Florida for him, but this was really the year. So you just hope he could stay on the field. You see Rolder down there at 149? Like he's a two-down linebacker and a very effective one. Good key. Like, reads his keys against the run, fits gaps, understands rush development and how to take on blockers or work around them. You know, maybe a little bit more limited. I don't think he's ever going to be this three-downs.
Starting point is 00:08:40 star or anything. And Jack Kelly has a little bit of the same. Okay, let me get to one more and then I want to show yours. Because this was the guy, the last two weeks when I've been really in the weeds on non-combine guys, trying to find a couple that pop. This guy maybe popped
Starting point is 00:08:55 the most or one of the most. That's Renee Conga from Louisville. Dude, I didn't, yeah, I didn't watch him. And you got him one time. I just, I'll pull my notes. There's always a couple where I'm like, what, just how did this guy not get a combine invite? That's such a low bar to clear. Was that Rutgers, ends up at Louisville, fifth year senior, almost 64, 298, you know, almost
Starting point is 00:09:19 34 inch arms, 37 inch vertical, 703-3 cone. Sometimes I run the three cones at pro days just to see like who really popped for their weight. I mean, 703 at almost 300 pounds. Like, what's going on here? I mean, he had almost a 15% pass rush win rate this year for Interior guys. That was 93, third percentile. He's explosive. He's twitchy. He's a gap shooter. It matches the testing. Man, like, and I know people see Grayson Halton there, another gap shooting defensive tackle at 148. I just thought Congo was every bit as good as Grayson Halton to me at that rotational, you know, Sala scheme, Seattle a little bit, Niners, Houston. You're not going to be playing a ton of snaps, but like, you're going to pin your ears back and get off the ball and try to shoot gaps.
Starting point is 00:10:09 Heavy rotation attacking style. Konga, I was pleasantly surprised, man. So obviously, I think the two that people have sort of like shouted out here, Grayson Hallton's one of them. And we talked a little bit about Grayson Hallen because he wasn't in our top 10 defensive tackles. I have him higher on my ranking. I have him just inside my top 20.
Starting point is 00:10:30 I think he's in the 90s, like right around like 90. So I have him higher, but I'm lower on him than I feel like a lot of other people. are. So you got him at 150. I imagine the conversation that will have is a little bit of the same, where he's just that sort of one gap penetrating, like attacking downhill player. I just love the motor from him. So I think that I just really want to trust that because on the defensive line, I feel like that's pretty valuable. But I can understand the concerns of probably why you have him right there as the beginning of your fifth round grades at 148. Yeah. And maybe I've skewed too far the other way. Like I think of like I had Michael Hall easily in my top 100.
Starting point is 00:11:06 higher than that. And guys like that and you fall for it. And then you realize the room for error for guys like that at the next level is just so, the margins are so thin because it's such a big physical league. And Halton could easily outperform this projection, but maybe I just course corrected too much or just right. The chat has already named Renee Conga, Renee Donga, so that's good. We're off to a roaring start.
Starting point is 00:11:30 Is it good? No, it had to be acknowledged, though. Did it have to be acknowledged? No, it didn't have to be acknowledged. Okay, let's show my 150 to 131 because I think there is a lot of similarities here. I have a little bit higher of a cut line. Your round five kind of starts around like 148. And to be honest with you guys, this isn't, as we get a little bit higher,
Starting point is 00:11:58 I also do like late second, early third, you know, late first, early, second and we didn't break it up like that. We just broke it up into, you know, first round grades, second round grades, third round grades, fifth round grades to be a little bit more digestible for you guys. But some players that I feel like I might be a little bit lower on than others, achieving Roller is about in the same spot for both of us. Yeah, I got Drew Aller 1.45.
Starting point is 00:12:25 That's really funny because I think you and I are officially low men on Drew Aller. I mean, if you want to draft Drew Aller in the fourth, round like that's fine go for you know like yeah like i i don't really have a problem with it but i i just he's got too many games under his belt for me to feel more confident than that he does there's just too much of that junior year when he started playing really efficiently it felt like he wasn't throwing the ball as far deep down the field it felt like it was a lot more okay like the way that it works for quarterbacks is a lot of these guys that have big arms, they'll come into college football, they'll be like, oh, I got a huge arm.
Starting point is 00:13:07 And the big time throws are way up and the turnover worthy plays are both way up. So then they go, okay, well, I got to take care of the football better. So then the next year, they'll have way less turnover worthy plays, but they'll also have way less big time throw. So you're not exactly getting the strengths out of these prospects either. What you need these quarterbacks to do is a lot of times after that when it comes to that second or third year, okay, the big time throws go back up, the turnover worthy play stay down. That's when you know that you've got somebody who's really figured it out. And unfortunately for Aller, it's just been a lot of both categories. Either the big time throws are high and the turnover really plays are high, or they're both
Starting point is 00:13:39 low. And I just don't find a lot of value in quarterbacks that don't create that gap between those two numbers. Who else stands out here? I like Charles Demings from Stephen F. Austin. I got him 140. I think that this guy is somebody that's definitely worth drafting in the early rounds of day three. I'm lower on L.T. Overton than I think a lot of other people are. I have been 139. I just look at him is a rotational. Oh, okay. Yeah. Damn.
Starting point is 00:14:07 Damn. I mean. So he's somebody who I just kind of, I think it's just a rotational defensive lineman for an odd front. That's about it. He doesn't really have a skill set to play as a five technique in an even front. And I don't really know if he has the overall size to play three four defensive line. So big and strong, but I just think he's, a lot of guys are. He's too much of a tweener there.
Starting point is 00:14:30 I feel like I'm. lower on Bud Clark than a lot of other people. Yeah, that jumps out a little bit to me. I'll tell you where I had him in a second. I have him. He's stuck into my, he's in my top 100, so. So I have him 132, and I think the best of Bud Clark,
Starting point is 00:14:43 I can totally see that, right? I could totally see people going like, hey, makes really big plays. I think he seems like he's a vocal leader, a leader on the back end of that TCU secondary. I love that day three, that red zone period that he was playing when we got to see him in person at the senior bowl.
Starting point is 00:14:58 Like, I really do like that stuff. But I felt like, the up and down was too much for me. And we've said this before when we did the safety ranking episode, you're literally playing a position that is called safety. Like you are the safety net. I need your floor to be higher than what I feel like I saw with Bud Clark over the last couple of seasons.
Starting point is 00:15:15 So I think it's just that that's not really my cup of tea type of a safety. But if he goes to a team that really believes in him, puts him in a great spot, instills that confidence in him, I do think that you can still get those big plays out of him. It was just a little bit too much up and down for me. I'll shout out Evan Beerenstein, Sen, from Northwestern. He was an offensive tackle for them. He was an offensive guard. I think he's totally an interior offensive lineman.
Starting point is 00:15:42 But I think that he's a technician. Like, I love the hand usage from him. I love the leverage that he plays with. I think he's got great footwork, a good leg drive. I think he's a center in the NFL and actually think that he could be a starting center at some point in the league, primarily for a zone blocking scheme, if I had to say one of them. Jaden Kennedy, the cornerback, the slot corner from Oregon, is in here at 133. I think he's a pretty underrated player right now, loved watching him when I got to see him in person at the Shrine Bowl.
Starting point is 00:16:09 So really like him. I like Demone Claybourne as a speed option in this running back class, but I'm just lower on the running back class overall. And then Jeremiah Wright for the offensive guard from Auburn. If you're in a power downhill run scheme, I think that he's perfect for that. So I think that he's somebody that I'd be very comfortable with drafting somewhere in the fourth round. I think that wraps up this group before we move on to the next one. I didn't want to give away too much for future. You have Chris McClellan at 136, and I take just absolute offense to that because I love Chris
Starting point is 00:16:40 McClellan. Like I do. Dude, I think I have him in the 80s in my rankings. I just think the arm length that he has, the hand size, the how powerful he plays. You know, he can play as a run stuffer from a three technique. He could be as a three, four defensive end. I think he's got a lot of versatility. So I like Chris McClellan.
Starting point is 00:16:58 from Missouri. That's really the only one that super stands out to me. I'm lower on Bo Stevens as well. Some people talk about Bo Stevens, the offense guard from Iowa, as like a top 100 pick. I'm with you. I'm a little bit. That would surprise me. Yeah, I'm lower on him. I'm sort of the same
Starting point is 00:17:14 range. I think he's just outside my top 150. I had Brian Parker a little higher than you. Okay. A little. Nothing, I'll have to double check that. And you know, it's funny. You said like McClellan for me in the 130s, you have them in the 80s. You have Jayden Kennedy in the 130s, he snuck into the 80s for me.
Starting point is 00:17:32 I think he's that sticky in coverage. Damn. Yeah. All right. Yeah. It's definitely one of those ones where like I'm way off of consensus, but you know, in this draft, though, this is the draft, I think, to be. Because the, oh, for sure.
Starting point is 00:17:50 It platoes out. Yes. Like, there's, we'll talk about the groupings earlier in the draft that are in a different category. but there are huge plateau ranges in this draft where somebody might have a player 60 spots apart and it's like yeah I get it is it's that kind of draft you have singleton at 143 I have Nick nicholas singleton yeah nick singleton yeah yeah you have nicholas singleton on there too oh yeah you did yeah you have nicholas singleton at 143 I have nick singleton outside of my top
Starting point is 00:18:20 150 okay I just think that a lot of people I've seen some people in in the fantasy community and like look, I'm not trying to take shots to anybody, but like I've seen some people in the fantasy community be like, you've got to draft Nick Singleton, insane athlete, like you got to bet on a player like that. Maybe you do just bet on a player like that, but I feel like he's had way too much time as a starter for that vision to not be better than what it is. I think that he's just a track athlete who's out there kind of playing football. I just did not love the field that he had from the running back position. So maybe he goes to Mike McDaniel and it doesn't matter. But, you know, outside of that.
Starting point is 00:18:56 You are now my high, what is the employee meme? Congratulations. Yeah. You've been promoted. That's Nick Singleton arriving to Mike McDaniel. You are now one of my most valued
Starting point is 00:19:10 employees. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's true. Whatever running back ends up on the Chargers. That's the meme for you. So you have, I think this is a good transition into our next group, but you have Dailen Everett,
Starting point is 00:19:28 the corner from Georgia, at 133. Dailen Everett on consensus, where is he? Oh, boy. Where is Dailen Everett? Am I about to be owned? No, you're not because I have him at 121.
Starting point is 00:19:43 Oh, okay. So we're in solidarity here. Where is Everett? 108 on mock draft database is what I'm saying. Oh, okay, all right. So I thought that, man, I feel like I've seen Dealing Everett higher on a lot of the big boards that I have, that I have read. But I'm with you here sort of having him in this range.
Starting point is 00:20:02 I think he's got really nice overall athleticism. I think he's got good length to play press man coverage. But I think the zone instincts are really, really hit and miss for him. And I get worried in any situation that's not just straight up, hey, go play this guy and press man. And even sometimes I wish he was a little bit more competitive out there on tape when it comes to those man coverage reps. So I know that people are going to look at him and see the build, see the athleticism, and say, how could this guy be ranked where you have him ranked?
Starting point is 00:20:28 But I just didn't love a lot of the feel that he had sometimes when it wasn't just straight up. Okay, I'm keeping my eyes on one receiver. All right, let's reveal the next group. This is 111 to 130, and yes, we are working up to the top of this draft. I saw somebody join and they thought they missed the show. Okay, so Brian Parker at 126. We weren't that far apart on him.
Starting point is 00:20:49 Mm-hmm. Travis Burke, the tackle from Memphis, is fascinating to me because I saw starter potential, but, you know, obviously, I'll pull up my notes on him. I have been in my top 100. Yeah, I'm not surprised, honestly. It's because he plays with a lot of really good power. And he's huge.
Starting point is 00:21:07 Yes. I mean, 6-9-325, he's got long arms. I think he's not very explosive in his past sets, and he's kind of learning how to use his length when he gets beat to recover. but an NFL coach will see him and be like, I could fix everything that's lacking right now and get a starter out of him.
Starting point is 00:21:25 So I think the NFL will really like him. This is kind of an interesting group because there's some guys here like a Genesis Smith that I think are going to be much higher for people that just value what he does in coverage, but he's not going to be able to get on the field unless he cleans up the tackling. We've had this combo.
Starting point is 00:21:45 Where do I have him? Is he outside of my... I think he's outside of my top 150. Okay, that, yeah, I'm not surprised. We've had the Genesis Smith combo. He's 169 for me. Did I, Dennis Sutton? I didn't think it was this wild, but I saw it,
Starting point is 00:22:01 because he wasn't in my, I wrote up the top 15 edge rushers for NBC, and he's, I think he's 16 for me, so he wasn't even in the article. There, like, he plays high. He doesn't have much of a counter rush plan. Obviously, Penn State, you get caught in the, bias of expecting these cyborg athletes. I just, I didn't really see it. Like, he's at 112 where I think he can play in a rotational role.
Starting point is 00:22:27 But in this loaded edge class, he got lost in the shuffle for sure. He's 159 for me. Yeah. So, yeah, I mean, I just, I think that he's another player who's, there's, there's a lot of players who are athletes, but I think that we say all the time, you've got to see it, man. That's right. You have to see the athleticism.
Starting point is 00:22:47 if we watch these guys at the combine and they're doing, you know, freaky things when it comes to, you know, broad jumps and vertical jumps, settle down everybody in the chat. When you've got, you know, these crazy, like athletic performances from these guys, they have to translate that to the field. And if we don't see it on the field, then I don't really care. I think that people who go, you know, all out and they're like, oh, you know, it's the underwear Olympics.
Starting point is 00:23:14 The combine doesn't matter. All that kind of stuff. I think that's always taking it too far, and that's being a little bit more harsh than it should be for the exercise of the combine. But I think that there definitely is something, too, if you don't see those traits when they're actually out there on the field and on the tape, then to me it just doesn't matter.
Starting point is 00:23:30 And unfortunately, for Nye Dennis Sutton, he was one of those players that was there. I like that you have Logan Taylor in here from Boston College. I get him in there as well. Oh, Dionne Berksson, 127. That's the one that crushes you. Come on, this is the most on-brand group for me of all time. What do I like at Corner and what do I not like at Wide Receiver?
Starting point is 00:23:52 I typically, and it's funny because I just went how I Kennedy in my Top 100, but typically like massive corners. And I typically do not like small receivers. Ephesians Prysock is in this group at Corner, probably higher than where most people see them. Julian Neal is in this group, although people like Neil, I think a lot. Berks is just, man, there's just not a ton of high-end receivers
Starting point is 00:24:13 in the NFL that play at that size and the ones that do were pretty consistently special across college. We'll get there. When we get to the ranking for you? We'll talk about them. So speaking of that,
Starting point is 00:24:28 you have David Ignaminoza, the corner from Ohio State at 129. I had him floating outside of my top 100 for a really long time. And then I kept having people being like, no, no, no. I mean, look, he's got the traits. And I decided to give him
Starting point is 00:24:40 a little bit more benefit of the doubt because I felt as though he did improve on not holding and getting as grabby this past season, but it's still, I mean, he still has to get better. He still has to get a lot better. So I don't think it's crazy that you have him at 129 here. I remember we had Ohio State, Minnesota on Big Ten Saturday for NBC. And there was a couple he just didn't call.
Starting point is 00:25:06 And I'm like, he's still doing it. But he is talented. He's big. He's physical. Like there's something to coach up there. But yeah, the penalties are definitely an issue. I agree with you, it got better this year than 2024. Man, if I'm a team with the way this class is set up,
Starting point is 00:25:23 I have to take a linebacker on day three. I have to treat it like running back and just see if I get something. Sure, there's a lot of good linebackers. Like Bryce Betcher plays like an absolute lunatic. Yep. Elarms ore from TCU is a... Part of the CCU. Do you know what that is?
Starting point is 00:25:39 No. Him and Dylan The Conquashion Collision Unit. Yes, yes, yes, yes. Yeah. They either made shirts or did a podcast together. Somebody made shirts of it. I've seen shirts somewhere. It's unbelievable.
Starting point is 00:25:50 It's unbelievable. I liked both TCU linebackers. I wanted to really like Elam's Orr. Yeah. Because. Who was it? He just, there's just times where he just doesn't know where the ball was going. Oh, no, he's a step late, like a ton.
Starting point is 00:26:10 Once again, this is the, these guys all have something that, is a limitation and you hope it just clicks in your scheme or development because Justin Jefferson at 124 on this list. I've said it before, maybe it's a hot take. The wide receiver? Yeah, not the wide receiver. The Lvailmebacker. I liked him better than his teammate Deonté Lawson. And I know that's a hot take. But when you have that kind of explosiveness and speed, there might be a place for you in the right scheme to run and chase free at the next level. Where once again, like if just take a day three linebacker in this draft. It's got, it's got depth this group.
Starting point is 00:26:49 And I think it's got good developmental depth as well. Yeah. Some players that you're a little bit higher on sort of in this group, to shout out that maybe we, that we didn't yet. Because I think we've picked out the guys that you're lower on, but anybody that you're, I mean, you mentioned Justin Jefferson. I think that he's definitely one. He counts there.
Starting point is 00:27:06 But, you know, you got Kevin Coleman in your top 120. Kevin Coleman Jr. from Missouri. Just gets open, man. Like, yeah. At some point, you got to. of value guys that get open and there's going to be a guy in my next group that I think is even better than him at it. I know you and you really, I don't want to say talk to me into this player, but you open my eyes to this player. You and I are just higher on Albert Regis.
Starting point is 00:27:26 We should. I'm seeing 179 on consensus. No, no, no, no. Albert Regis is an NFL level run defender. NFL caliber run defender. If I can get an NFL caliber run defender in round four or five, I'm doing that every single draft. And from what I have heard, like, Workhorse type of a player. High work ethic. Elite motor. Great teammate.
Starting point is 00:27:49 Dirty work type of a player. Yeah. So everything that I've heard about Albert Regis makes me just go, you know what? In this class, give me him a little bit earlier. So obviously we'll talk about his name a little bit earlier on my list. Let's see my 132-11 here. Who stands out a lot here for you right off the bat? I have Dailan Everett.
Starting point is 00:28:09 I mentioned it 121. A couple of similar here. We have Betcher in this group together. We have Julian Neil in this group together. You like Thad Dixon a lot. I do. I have him a lot lower than you, but he was one of my favorite corner dart throws on day throw.
Starting point is 00:28:23 Like, just the physicality. I just really liked the Washington stuff from his 2024 tape, felt like he was a great man coverage type of a corner. I liked his TCU game that UNC played at the beginning of the year. And then he was kind of banged up the rest of the year. and he didn't play super well. But man, they still, I mean, this is a player who, they played him in shadow coverage.
Starting point is 00:28:48 I mean, he's following the best wide receiver on the team all over the field. And he did that at Washington a little bit. He did that at UNC this past season. So I'm kind of believing that the 2024 is better than the 2025. There's another player that we'll talk about in a minute with Kamari Ramsey that I'm sort of choosing just to believe the 2024 a little bit more. I think I'm just lower on the safety class overall. Like I got Sakee Wheatley at 122.
Starting point is 00:29:15 And I just think that just overall feels like the safety group. I see a lot of these safe. Like Genesis Smith, I mentioned, I got him outside of my top 150. It feels like there's a lot of safeties that are around the top 100 in people's top 100. And I'm just lower on this safety class than I feel like a lot of other people are. Yeah, we have Payne almost the same. I have him 107. You have him 112.
Starting point is 00:29:35 Okay. Yeah, so he's coming up next. I think Vijay Payne might be an outside corner in the NFL. I really do. Totally agree. I really do. I don't love VJ Payne's instincts in space at safety, but this dude can move. I mean, elite combine type of a player, great explosiveness.
Starting point is 00:29:52 He's got the arm length. He's got the build to be able to play corner and play it really well. So I'm a big fan of his. You've got Ephesians Prysock. Speaking of that, at 118, I've actually got him in my top 100. I'm a pretty big fan of him. Some other players that are kind of... I want to see where he is on the board.
Starting point is 00:30:10 I, okay, so he's 142 on consensus. So you and I are higher on Prysock. Yeah, definitely, definitely going to be higher on him. Let's see. I got Demetrius crown over from Texas A&M. I just, I can't get that Senior Bowl performance out of my head, man. I really did not like a lot of the tape. I know.
Starting point is 00:30:28 And he goes to the Senior Bowl and he was awesome at the Senior Bowl. And so I go, you know what? The build that you have, how you used to play tight end. Yeah, I just, I'll, I would take a flyer on that. player in the fourth round. So I got him, I got him in that range. Malachi Fields at 113 is lower than most, I feel like. I'm lower on Eli Rarden as well. I got him 129. Yeah, for sure. So I'm lower on him, a little bit lower on Billy Shrout, who I think he's a fine
Starting point is 00:30:55 player, but again, we're just kind of talking fourth round here for me. You know, it's funny. You say lower on Raritan. He's 135 on consensus. Okay. I think people are just like probably, you know, hypnotized from listening to the show and I just am like, he's a top 100 pick. I just scream it into the clouds every day. There's a, oh, what's it, what's it? What's the show? Is it from Succession?
Starting point is 00:31:17 I can't remember what it is, but there's the quote where the guy's like, I'll tweet, the markets will move, and that'll be that. And that's you. That's you here on this show. I'll talk about Eli Raarden, but it hasn't worked. And that'll be that. It hasn't worked. It didn't move up a little bit.
Starting point is 00:31:34 I love that you have Will Casmeric at 115. because this is the classic. The blocking boys. People don't care in college as much. I have them 106, so we have them almost the exact same. Man, when you're a true why tight end, and you've been asked to do true why things in the freaking big 10 where there's a lot of big bully teams,
Starting point is 00:31:58 that's going to carry over to the next level. I really, really liked him. I was a little late to getting around to him. Me too. And then when I was done watching all the tape, I was like, God, I get why he was on the field as much as he was. Yep. I think he's a really good football player.
Starting point is 00:32:14 I like Jacob Burton, the offensive center from, offensive center. Sondon, Noob. Jacob Burton, the center from Kentucky. Jacob Burton, checking in, offensive center. Offensive center, sir. What do you play? Martin, stuff me in a locker. I think that he's built the way that a center guard,
Starting point is 00:32:35 flexible type of player can be. I like him as a zone blocking center, but again, I think that he's got the strength, the movement skills, the overall frame to be able to play guard as well. I like Jude Bowery here in the top 120. I like him as a fourth round pick, sort of a flyer, steady, eddy type of offensive tackle.
Starting point is 00:32:51 Again, probably for more of a zone blocking scheme. Caleb Proctor, I got him at 114. So, you know, I've got the bet with John Ledyard at 84 and a half because he thinks that, he thinks Caleb Proctor is going higher than 84 and a half from the seven round marker. Josh Norris was on this too on the stream. You might have. I don't remember if you
Starting point is 00:33:11 stepped away for a moment during that one. But yes, all our guests are like warning us and I'm like, oh my God, I'm just not the same universe. I think Jeremiah put out his top 100, and I think Caleb Proctor is somewhat close to 84, if I remember correctly.
Starting point is 00:33:27 Wow. But Dane, in the Beast, has him at like 135 or something around that range. So item 160. I get it, I see it, I know the LSU game is probably making them millions of dollars as it should. Yeah. It's just, it goes back to the Grayson-Hulton combo a little bit, in my opinion. Do you have Emmett Johnson further higher in this?
Starting point is 00:33:48 A little bit, yeah. Where did I end up with Emmett? It's close enough that we probably have the combo now. Oh, no, he made it in the 80s for me, so yeah. Oh, okay. I just, I think he's a very shifty player. I think he's a very quick player. I like all of that, but I didn't see him.
Starting point is 00:34:03 So I think he lacks the long speed. Definitely. And then when you get players who are quick in a phone booth, I kind of need you also be elite when it comes to that contact balance and running through tackles. Like, for example, the reason why I liked Kyron Williams is because didn't have the long speed, but he was quick and he's really strong. Really great core strength, really great balance.
Starting point is 00:34:27 Bucky Irving, same way. You're a, make you miss in a phone booth type of a back. I don't care about your long speed because I know that you could balance. off tackles. I'm not convinced that's the case with Emmett Johnson. Love the feet, love the footwork. I think he's super quick. I think he'd make you miss when he's in space. But if you don't have the long speed and I don't love that you're going to be able to bounce off of tackles all the time at the NFL, it's hard for me to value that super highly. No, I totally get it. He's just not going to be for everyone. And what helps him is this running back class is very, very shallow. I think he's the
Starting point is 00:35:00 type of guy that can maybe catch you 40 passes a year if you really needed him to. Like I love the route tree. He's got good tracking. He's better in space. But you got to use him in that way. You can't just have him in the back to him. Like, hey, here's 15 touches. Straight handoffs today up the middle.
Starting point is 00:35:16 Yeah. Okay, let's move on to the next year. Getting into the top 100s now. I think we're starting to get into the third round grades. If I remember correctly. Yeah, we're digging into the third round grades. You get the cut off here. Oh, who stands out to me?
Starting point is 00:35:30 Look at you getting Cyrus Allen in here. There's the guy I was talking about when I said, Coleman separates and that's why he's here. And there's a guy better than him. Look at you. Cyrus Allen gets open. And he gets open a lot and he gets open in the red zone a lot. I was a coward.
Starting point is 00:35:46 I got him right outside of my top 50. But look, I'm glad that you got him in here. Another guy like Renee Conga, how do we not get this guy to the NFL Combine, man? Like what are we doing? Do we need help out there? We'll consult. And it's not like, I don't really know how he got,
Starting point is 00:36:01 how he did not get a Combine invite because it's not like he was under the radar. He led Cincinnati. He led Cincinnati in receiving. He was at the Senior Bowl. He was a standout at the Senior Bowl. He was good at Senior Bowl. And he didn't get a Combine invite. I like you, you know, with him right outside of this top 100 range. Good for you. Good for you. You see Casmeric there. Chandler Rivers, just very sticky, smaller corner, but once again, his ability to mirror. Nussmeier, where'd you have him, Trev, when all this was said and done? Right at 100. That's. amazing.
Starting point is 00:36:36 That's amazing. You like him so much more than me. I'm 101. One spot higher. Oh, man. You're an absolute hater. You're an absolute hater. I wrote him off.
Starting point is 00:36:46 Yeah, a couple of interesting players here that are kind of stuck in weird. Like, Romello height. DPR, interesting one, but a total designated pass rusher. Justin Jolie, more of just that pass catching tight end. There's a lot of like, not, Tim Kee. and just a two-down, two-gapping run stuffer. This is role player central right here. We talked about Casmeric, Y tight-in, blocking tight-end.
Starting point is 00:37:15 Bryce Lance, developmental deep threat. Cage Casey made it for me here because he's such a good technician. I think he could survive as a swing tackle on a roster. I'm sure some teams will really like him at guard instead. And I know he was kind of hot and cold at the senior ball, I'm pretty sure it was. But he's good technician. I like big corners. DeCario Davis makes it.
Starting point is 00:37:35 right at 98. It's Cario Davis, man. I know he got banged up, but he got him and Malik Mohamed in here. And I'm lower on both of those guys. Yeah, Muhammad, I see why you are. I mean, it's kind of like, but Takario Davis, the man coverage film in Arizona is good. He looks good in zone at Washington.
Starting point is 00:37:54 Just got to keep him healthy. I think that might round out this group. I like Farmer, the Guard from Kentucky quite a bit. I think he has a chance to start. I'm way higher on. Deshawn Stribling and Jalen Kilgore than you. Those are the two. Kilgore, I just, I'm not going to lie.
Starting point is 00:38:10 He was one of the most disappointing players I watched throughout this entire cycle. Like when I was seeing him in top 50s months ago, I was like, okay, this guy's big. He obviously plays the nickel. He's asked to do a lot of things. He's really young. I think he just turned 21. He's a good athlete. He's explosive.
Starting point is 00:38:27 I did not like his tape. Look, you don't have any imagination, no creativity. I get it. I get it. No family members that went to South Carolina. You don't want to believe. No legal ties to the program. I get it.
Starting point is 00:38:45 I get it. I've been there before. I'm not there now. But I've been there before. You're reformed. I like you getting Chandler Rivers in here. You're a little higher on Ketron Allen than I am, but I think that if we were to describe this player,
Starting point is 00:38:58 we would describe him exactly the same. So let's reveal my next 20 here because we'll see sort of some of the names that are similar. So I'm, I think I'm a little bit lower on Logan Jones than most people. I feel like his hype train. I mean, Brett Coleman on the seven-round mock took him 60th overall. And Josh Norris wanted him right after.
Starting point is 00:39:19 Right. Josh blocked on. He's like, how do I get Logan Jones? Like, brother, he's gone. Look, man, I like Logan Jones, but I think he is a zone blocking scheme only type of a center. And I think he's good. I just don't think that he brings. any sort of crazy, like he's a good athlete,
Starting point is 00:39:37 but I don't think he brings any sort of like crazy rare measurables. He doesn't have a ton of that scheme versatility to him again. I think he's got to be a center who's starting in those mid and outside zone base run offenses. So I like this player. I just, I've been like, whoa, okay, I feel like we're getting carried
Starting point is 00:39:53 away a little bit here with him, you know, in the top 60, top 70. But where do you have Logan Jones? Logan Jones, I'll tell you in one second. The player I was just going to bring up with that is Oscar dope. Logan Jones, I have 68th. So you have him right there. Starting center.
Starting point is 00:40:08 Great and zone. Good athlete. Battle tested. All right. Delp is the one, Trev, that every time I log on, someone's put Oscar Delp ten spots higher. Hey, tight in, tight in two in summer scouting in 2024, baby. People don't forget. No, they didn't.
Starting point is 00:40:25 Because I see him in top 70 talk all the time. All the time. Yeah, but. So I was actually having this conversation with, um, Mark, Wittman on the timeline because Marcus was like, hey, somebody convinced me to not have Oscar Delp as tight end to here. Sure. And I said to him, Marcus.
Starting point is 00:40:45 No, I'm scared. What do you need to know? And I said to him, I was like, look, I've long wanted to believe in Oscar Delp and having him tied into a couple of years ago. But I just find it really hard to believe that he's going to be more productive than Max Claire or Eli Stauer. as like tight in two and tight in three, when he never had more than 300 yards in a single season.
Starting point is 00:41:10 And not only that, he was in an offense that was set up with Brock Bowers who produced at that position. Like, he had the opportunity to step right in and very clearly like Georgia just did not see him that way. And if you want to say, hey, Georgia misused him, like they didn't believe in him enough. Okay, we could say that.
Starting point is 00:41:29 I have a real hard time saying that Kirby Smart doesn't know what he's talking about. That's, they've done too much winning for me to take what's happened there and just go, nope, you guys don't know what you're talking about. It's valid to believe that guys can be better when they get out of their college environments and go to the NFL. But I have a hard time doing that with a lot of Georgia players because of how successful that program has been. So I like Oscar Delp. Clearly, I've got him at number 91. You've got him at 99. But in terms of like him over Eli Stowers or Max Stoub,
Starting point is 00:42:05 clear. Like I just, I cannot get there with him. I mean, serious question. How many tight ends across three years of college football never made it to 300 yards and you see in our top 100? So like, clearly we actually like him. We like this player, quite a bit. We are expecting him to overcome production outlier. Yeah. So I had Mike Washington at 90 and I see you have him at 99, which I would imagine you and I are going to be on the lower end of that. He is 60th on the consensus board. He might take the award this year for guy that the combine perception has lost reality of the tape perception.
Starting point is 00:42:48 And he's solid. He's a third round, fourth round running back for us. Like this is a solid player. I don't see him erase angles with that 40 time on game tape that you'd expect. I see more bursts than long speed. So when I look at him, I'm with you. I like his footwork. There are some really good reps in between the trenches.
Starting point is 00:43:14 He's got seven fumbles over the last two years. I think he's got some stiffness when it comes to being a one cutback. So anything in like those zones rushing schemes. Yes. And he's got very low production as a receiver. So look, I don't know, man. I just, if you can't bring a lot to the receiving game, if you've got fumble issues, if I don't think that you're a fluid athlete,
Starting point is 00:43:35 I'm just not going to value that high at the running back position. There's just too many running backs that come out every single year that could be that. Yeah, so that's why he's right around the top 100 for me. I guess, sorry, the last thing I should read is just, let me get to it in a second. Stribling. I have stribling at 96, which I thought was like pretty high, and then I woke up from my, you know, being frozen in time and realized I fell way behind on stribling.
Starting point is 00:44:02 Oh, he's the guy's Captain America now. He really is. No, I meant you because you said you broke because you said you woke up from a frozen car owner or sleep or whatever. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He's got size and speed. You see it after the catch.
Starting point is 00:44:19 He's got quick feet off the line of scrimmage. But the lack of lateral agility to get open in the short and intermediate area to me was the number one thing I wrote down of like, hmm, that might be that might be a little bit of an issue. I mean, dude, we're talking like if he's going to be a top 60 pick here. Yeah, and I think he can be a top 60 pick, which we'll get to here in a little bit.
Starting point is 00:44:43 But I think that's for vertical offenses. Yeah, like, I think he is a vertical offense type of a wide receiver. I think his releases are really explosive off of press. I think he can get up into his top speed very, very quickly. I think he always is attacking the ball when he's in the air. And I think he's got good yards after catch stuff as well as being a good blocker on the outside. So if you're going to ask him to do a lot of like, you know, underneath stuff, multi breaks in the routes, like, sure, then I could understand like not loving
Starting point is 00:45:11 that. But I'm projecting him in an offense that wants to push the ball deep down the field. And I think he's got a ton of value there. Let me put you on the spot. And this might not be fair because I think there's going to be more questions than just football. Do you think he goes over Brazell? Yes. Wow. Yes. Yes, I do. Man, I do. I don't think you're wrong, but it's wild. And I would take him over Brazell.
Starting point is 00:45:37 It's wild. As a player, I would not. But I think there's more being weighed on boards where I think stribling is going to go over Brazil. A couple of guys, a couple of guys that I'll shout out here that I have in this range that I'm a little bit higher on. Like I said with Kamari Ramsey, who's 103 for me, I believe in his true safety tape rather than the slot tape. that they played him at at USC this year. I just did not think he was a good slot defender, but I really liked the previous year,
Starting point is 00:46:07 how he was able to see the field when they let him operate a little bit more in space. I'm a big Rayshaw and Benny guy, the defensive lineman from Michigan, just a really strong run defender. Can play, I think, three technique for you. He could play three, four, defensive end, and you do a lot of different stuff for you.
Starting point is 00:46:21 Hezekiah masses to me at 96. He's the quarterback at a cow. I think he's got phenomenal instincts, great eyes, loves the bait quarterbacks into throws great technique when it comes to off coverage stuff
Starting point is 00:46:34 he's not super explosive there was a point where I had him like in the 70s in my big board and I was like I love this dude a lot but the lack of explosiveness that he showed at the combine
Starting point is 00:46:47 I do think that that shows on film and I think it's going to be something that's going to be a little bit tougher for him to overcome even at the pro level so ton of ball skills this past season or ton of ball production I should say with his ball skills
Starting point is 00:46:59 this past season. Love him for those off-coverage defenses, but I can understand that the lack of explosives could show up for him. I got Trey Zune, the offensive line from Texas A&M at 94. You got him higher? Where do you have him? Let me see. I like the center class a lot, by the way. I had him 151, so he's the player that just missed the show today. Okay. I think he is super versatile, man. I think he could start a guard. I think he could start at center for you. Elite pass blocking grade this past season at Texas A&M. I'm a big fan of Trayzeon. I think he's good.
Starting point is 00:47:32 One thing I'll say on, to put a bow on the masses conversation, I know the chat really loved him as well. He's, he's definitely like a big favorite of sleepers. Man, he's got the penalty machine problem.
Starting point is 00:47:44 They're talking about, like that initial explosiveness, if he's beat by a higher end athlete, he just latches on, like Igbenosin. Who is this? Hezekiah Masses. Oh, Masses.
Starting point is 00:47:54 Right, right. Yeah, and I'm just like, yeah, man, when you step up against better talent, like, what's that going to look like? So that was...
Starting point is 00:48:00 Anybody that runs a lot of press man probably is not going to love him, which I understand. Somebody mentioned that I'm lower on Ted Hurst. I have Ted Hurst. I have Ted Hurst 1-107. And then I think I had like Malachi Fields in my last group as well, like 114 or something like that. I think these guys are fine.
Starting point is 00:48:15 I just think that they're fourth-round picks. I thought Ted Hurst would have dominated the senior bowl a lot more with how much he dominated his tape at Georgia State. And that gives me a little bit of pause that he's just going to be able to step into the NFL and really achieve those levels that we saw. with him dominating that lower level of competition. So definitely somebody who's got good at great athleticism, I should say, with his size.
Starting point is 00:48:36 And I think, I think third, fourth round totally makes sense. Like if you told me a team took Ted Hurst in the late 80s, early 90s, he'd be like, all right, cool. Yeah, that's fine. I mean, that's not that far from where I have these guys ranked. But I'm just a little bit lower on him because I thought that he was going to dominate the senior bowl a little bit more when he was there. Hope he had my next group, but he's a developmental player, big step up in competition.
Starting point is 00:48:56 But man, the tools are tantalizing for sure. Somebody in the chat said that they think Markell Bell gets picked in the second round. Would not be floored. I think I have him in the next group. Where do you have Markele Bell? I liked him a lot. I am 76th overall. When you're just that big, you get away with things in pass pro that not a lot of humans can.
Starting point is 00:49:19 That's the difference. And like, I say it all the time. But Markele Bell got misrepresented when he lost one speed to power rep against Derek Moore. and that changed everybody's perception to him. And then you watched a tape of him, and I've said this before too. Derek Moore didn't correct me at the combine, but he made sure to emphasize,
Starting point is 00:49:38 dude, he's a really good player, and he got the best of me later on in that day. Markell Bell is, he's definitely in that next tier. I liked him in Bowery as like, okay, I passed on the first couple tiers of tackles, but these guys might start for me. I do, I thought I liked Markell Bell,
Starting point is 00:49:56 but now he's getting a lot of hype as, you know, more of a top 100 pick type of a player. I just think it's hard. It's hard to move the way that you need to move to play offensive tackle in the NFL when you are that big. You have your advantages, but I think that you have your natural disadvantages as well. Like I think how much he has to bend at his waist, you know, to try to either reach guys or, you know, keep his pad level low.
Starting point is 00:50:22 I think it's just going to be an issue that's always going to exist with him. So I don't always love these types of players. The arm length. What? 36 and 3 eighth. Yeah, I mean, it's insane. Yeah, it's absolutely insane. So do you think he has custom door frames in his apartment?
Starting point is 00:50:39 Or does he just swivel? He sidesteps in. Yeah, he's got a side step around. Yeah, that's amazing. Hits his head on the top. Let's go 90 to 70. Who do you got here? Not too many surprises, I think.
Starting point is 00:50:55 Oh, yeah. You got Billy Shrout at 7. 74. Shrout. Hirst is 75. When Shrout is healthy, he is just as good as, like, the tier two guards, in my opinion. I think Pregnan and Bessantis are up there in their own world. But when Shrouthert was healthy, he's not that different to me than Keel and Rutledge.
Starting point is 00:51:12 And I hear Keelan Rutledge top 35 all the time now. So now, injuries matter in the draft. So let's be fair. Like, Shrout has been hurt, and that's a problem. You already talked about Bud Clark's a little bit too much of a riverboat gambler, and I agree. Man, the splash plays are fun. They asked a lot of him, too, in that defense. I'm curiously where you have Sarat,
Starting point is 00:51:34 because you've always liked Surat. Maybe a little higher than I have him 79th. Yeah, it's not a little higher, brother. Okay, Surat's much higher for you. I have Elijah Surat, 31. Oh, my God. Okay, we'll get there. Good ball player.
Starting point is 00:51:51 We'll get there for sure. I guess the one that people are, I see Are people saying Kyle Lewis 86 is disrespectful? Yeah, I have him 45. Okay, I guess I'm I thought I liked him.
Starting point is 00:52:05 Yeah, you don't know, you don't think he's draftable. I really liked Kyle Lewis. He's a sub-packaged linebacker with great coverage skills. Let's see, where is he on consensus? Where is Kyle Lewis? It can't be that far off. 73.
Starting point is 00:52:21 I'm seeing 76, but yeah, you get the point. Okay. I mean, the one, forget Kyle Lewis, because I'm pretty close to consensus. The one that I'm not even in the zip code is Brandon Cise. Yeah, you're a lot lower on Cisei, which John Ledger is too. Is he? Ledger and I were talking about Cicay. And here's the thing with Brandon Cicay, which, where is he on consensus?
Starting point is 00:52:40 Where's Cicet? 44 is what I'm saying. Reefe's got him at 42 on his consensus board as well. So I think that I have him at 45. So I'm higher on him, but I fully understand. that C-Say is still, I mean, he needs development. His footwork is all over the place. He is very light as a tackler, despite a willingness and a fire to want to get in a run defense.
Starting point is 00:53:08 He is still, he's got a very slender build. He's not packing a big punch. So he'll kind of like, when I say set the edge, I mean, he'll kind of just distract the kickout blocker where somebody else can fill in and actually make the tackle. But he's not, you know, he's not going to really be able to set the edge the way that you're going to think, a linebacker potentially can or a safety even. But the way I watch Csay move, I think the twitchiness is special from him.
Starting point is 00:53:34 So I'm willing, that trait at corner, I'm willing to bet on that in the second round. So I'm close to work consensus, but I do understand why there's hesitancies from people with him. He's a high-end athlete. He throws his weight around in the run. I just think he's a total project as a cover corner, like almost starting from.
Starting point is 00:53:54 It's just a total project as a cover corner. This is some past catching tight ends. Stowers and Claire are in this group. I think people will say you're a little bit lower on Stowers. Stowers is right around 59 on consensus. Okay. Is it just the blocking stuff? You're just like, hey, he's a big, he's a big wide receiver.
Starting point is 00:54:15 Like, let's be. I mean, I'm cool with that, though. No, he'll be a good one. If you have that room, that opening in your office, offense. He could be really a, like, I just look at Denver for him over and over again and just be like, God, that's, yeah, it'd be great. That would be the place. The dream. Who else is? I saw people saying I was low on Chris Bell. I mean, oh, I mean, maybe. Besides the ACL tear, he just, I'm a 62. It's like shallow crosser. The film with Tyler Shuck, and to be fair,
Starting point is 00:54:46 Shuck obviously throws the ball downfield much better than Miller Moss. Um, Bell did more that year. This year was just like, hey, here's a shallow crosser, run by three people, and he does. He's a tank. And Miller Moss is their quarterback, and Miller doesn't have a great honor. No, no. So that's not fair to put on Chris Bell, but I do think he's a little bit limited of a route tree at the moment right now.
Starting point is 00:55:10 Kieran Crawford was a really nice surprise from Auburn. Late to football, start playing a senior year high school, stand-up edge, pretty good first step. for his size he does good things against the run there's one more player in this group I wanted to touch on I thought maybe not no I said Bowery and Bell as that tackles in this tier you're definitely you're definitely really high on on Jude Bowery Billy Shrath I think that like you're going to be
Starting point is 00:55:36 you're going to be close to like the top percentile of people who have them up there so those guys definitely seem like players that you're betting on Dunker I have I thought in this group 84 I'm seeing 63 I think Dunker could be a fine brawler of a guard. He's a little upright at times where I get a little worried about that. I think he's got to get with a good O-line coach. You know, like Dalton watched him in my former co-host from the PFF NFL show RIP. He was pointing this out to me at the Senior Bowl how Dunker's footwork,
Starting point is 00:56:12 it was like his his toes were like pointed outward. not in a way where like they had to be. It was almost like he was making himself flat-footed pre-snap. Like there was nothing where he could be on the balls of his feet or anything like that. And Dalton's like, I don't understand because then that's how his feet were when he was at tackle. And then when they moved him into guard, it's like, okay, now he would put his feet sort of like pointing in the right direction. And it's not as much he's like flat-footed. Now he's really being able to, he's able to launch off of, you know, his quad muscles and he's really able to take over.
Starting point is 00:56:47 take off on the line of scrimmage. And Dalton was like, I don't know who's teaching him this, but maybe it's just a tackle thing. Like he feels like he has to have his like hips open for past the kitchen or something. That feels like something's going on when he's asked to transition to a spot. He played obviously right tackle for Iowa because Iowa offensive linemen are typically coached up at a pretty high level. I know.
Starting point is 00:57:11 So anyways, all that to say, he's a total projection moving into guard, but I still just, I like his training to guard. The one thing that worries me about the guard move, and once again, Dunker made my top 85, like he's, you know, his tape stands to tell its story. But I talked about the upright stance. He does throw his hands pretty wild and wide a lot. And when edge rushers get under his chest and push him, at right tackle, he has the space to make up for it or adjust to recover.
Starting point is 00:57:44 At guard, when you get to. get hit by a deep, you let a deep tackle underneath you and inside, you're going to go backwards into the quarterback's lap. So that he, he's not the silky, like, yeah, guard, snap your fingers that some people want him to be. I think he could do it. But there's definitely a little risk there in just making the assumption he's going to be able to do it right away. No, I totally agree with you. I'm just, I'm willing to bet on the power that he plays with, especially in his own blocking scheme. If you get him in an offense, like I think he's a perfect Chargers player. Like if he's available for the Chargers, I don't know, 55 or 84, wherever it was,
Starting point is 00:58:23 like if you have the opportunity to draft him at those spots, I mean, I think that he's just a, he's a plug-and-play player for you in that scheme. I guess I shouldn't say he's a plug-and-play player because I do think, I agree with you, there's development that's needed from him. But the way in which he plays, his athleticism and his grades behind zone blocking schemes, I think are great for offenses like that. Mike McDaniel. You are now one of my elite employees.
Starting point is 00:58:47 You are now one of my elite employees, yes. Okay, let's see my 71 through 90. Okay, this is where Grayson Halton comes through the fold. I got him at 90. Bryce Lance sneaking in here at 89. Albert Regis, I have him at 87. Huge Albert Regis fan. Yep, yep.
Starting point is 00:59:11 I think there's, this is where I have. I'm talking about some of the guys I'm higher on. before we get to some of the guys I'm clearly lower on. Chris McClellan, I have him at 81. I'm just a big fan of his. This is where I have Travis Burke in this group as well at 78. He's your Markell Bell. Like Markelle Bell is that.
Starting point is 00:59:27 And Balliard had that tackle for me and Burke is the tackle for you. Yeah. Dominic Orange is 77 and Sauter in the chat's asking me to explain my hatred for him and Lee Hunter. You just threw off like the lion kid. Dominicorins is consensus 71. Oh, wow, I didn't know that. I guess I just ride or die with the artist known as Big Citrus. Hey, there we go.
Starting point is 00:59:51 All right, okay. Yeah, I'm much lower on Lee Hunter. I think we all got way carried away with Lee Hunter. You hate the fridge. That's sad to see. Yeah, I just, that last. You just hate defensive linemen. You would never draft one.
Starting point is 01:00:09 You would never draft a defensive tackle. I think this defensive tackle class is a lot worse than people are, are wanting to believe. And I think that a lot of times people do exercises where they go, okay, let me create rankings and big boards. And they go, well, I haven't put a defensive tackle in a while. Let me put this guy here to like evenly, you know, position out a big board. I just don't think that the defensive tackle class is very good this year.
Starting point is 01:00:31 I really don't. And that's why you see me really wanted to bet on guys like Albert Regis, guys like Chris McClellan, guys that are dependable here. I thought Dominic Gorns, but I guess I'm a hater there on Dominic Gorn, so maybe not. but Lee Hunter, I mean, I think that I think he can be a good run defender because he was over the last couple of seasons. But I think we get carried away with the Oregon game. I think we get carried away with some of the one-on-one reps at the Senior Bowl. I think that lack of athleticism that showed up at the Combine is something that's kind of a constant in his tape.
Starting point is 01:01:00 I mean, if you watch the Oregon game, you think he's a first rounder. If you watch the Baylor game, you think you're drafting him outside of the top four rounds. Like it's just, it's way too up and down for me. And that's why I just think consensus has gotten. way too out of control with a player who I think is a solid player. That's why I've got him right here in this like fourth round, third round, late third, early fourth type of a grade for Lee Hunter. But I just think that there's way too much up and down.
Starting point is 01:01:25 And I think there's way too much consistent lack of explosiveness from him, whether it's at the nose or the three technique spot. I get it. I do agree he went too far at one point. I still value what he could do against the run and his size and strength. I think, so Chris Brasel at 85, that's a big fall for you. I mean, using your fourth rounder bucket. But you are kind of willing to bet on Xavier and Harris. Yeah, I mean, I, again, I think we talked about this in the defensive tackle episode.
Starting point is 01:01:58 The most important thing about his scouting report is the DUI incident that he had and obviously the domestic violence incident that he had. Now, I could not find how either of those situations really ended because it was like, oh, here's what happened. and then never got suspended, stayed on the team, could not find anything. And I've, like, asked a lot of people like, hey, did you find out sort of what the conclusion was here? And I can't find it. So answering those questions, paramount. Because, like, that is extremely important. We say all the time, you were drafting people as much as players.
Starting point is 01:02:26 So that is the first and foremost thing. But I was super impressed with how he played this last season. And I kind of hated his tape before this season. And he is somebody who has built extremely well for, especially those odd, front defenses, those three, four defensive end rolls. I thought he was quick to get across the face of guards and even offensive tackles when he had the opportunity to. I thought he played with really good burst, really good power.
Starting point is 01:02:49 I thought his motor was good going into the fourth quarter. I was super impressed with how he played this season. He's kind of fluctuated weight up and down throughout his college career. But man, where he is right now, I was, I was, I think he played like an impactful NFL type of a player this past season. So, yeah, that's why this is sort of a tape thing for me of why I've got him in the 70s. Yeah, it's just tough for me to bet on a guy like that.
Starting point is 01:03:12 But I get it. Not many are built like him, and he definitely played better this year. I would say I definitely like Judarian Price and Antonio Williams better than you. Have you always been high, super high on Antonio Williams? So I actually really didn't like him that much. And I know he got hurt this year,
Starting point is 01:03:34 but when he was healthy, with the limitations of their offense, like he reminded me a little bit of Marvin Mims Jr. Honestly. Maybe I'm just, maybe I'm just too focusing on a year where he was beat up a little bit. But yeah, I kind of just feel like there's a lot of receivers like him
Starting point is 01:03:53 that come out all the time. And that's really why I have him right here at 79, because I'm like, hey, I recognize it like, this could play in the NFL, but I wouldn't say that he's got like difference making traits that really allow him to stand out at a position that is always super deep every single year. And I take that into account as well. I think he's a really good punt returner.
Starting point is 01:04:17 He gets open in the short area. He's good after the catch-off screens. He'll be kind of that trick-play monster, too, at the next level. Like, he threw two touchdowns over the last couple of years, and they're really good throws. I was like, damn. So he's just a great athlete out there. I liked, though, that he got the drop rate down this year.
Starting point is 01:04:35 I mean, he went from, he dropped eight passes in 24, and he only had a 1.7% drop rate this year. So I liked Antonio Williams as a slot number three wide receiver. I'm lower on Anthony Hill Jr. I think a lot of times when we do mock drafts. I end up that way too. We'll be in the 40s and people will be like, hey, draft Anthony Hill Jr. here.
Starting point is 01:04:55 And I'm like, we're not even close to where I would draft Anthony Hill Jr. I think he's a very fast football player, but I get worried about how physical he can be in between the tackles and in the box of the next. level. So again, I understand the speed, but I did not see that physical profile from him enough. So I've got him at, I think 84 is where I had him there at that point. I had him at 62. We can move to the next group though if we want. All right. With that being said, yeah, we'll go to the next group here.
Starting point is 01:05:25 So 51 through 70. I mean, this is where Eli Raritan is at 70. I'm really high on him. Connor Liu, you added at 71. I haven't at 61. Yeah. I liked him a lot before he got hurt. He's, I think, Gap Scheme Center. I'll pull up my notes on him in a second here. You know, he's got a wide enough route.
Starting point is 01:05:52 Rared in like 50 spots higher than me. Yeah, Rared and I'm just, I'm just high on Rarden. Yeah, both is a receiver and a blocker. Oh, Malachi Fields too. You got him at 67? Yeah, where is Fields in? You know, with Malachi Field, so he's 74th on Conno. consensus. So yeah, a little higher on fields.
Starting point is 01:06:10 Plays above the rim, really good blocker, NFL body, which is really, really important. I just think he's somebody that'll help a team on the outside on the perimeter, and they'll value that size. Sam Roush, 63, like I think Roush is a really good tight end prospect. And it's, it kind of confuses me why nobody ever paints that picture of him. They're just like, Sam Roush, take him in the fifth round. Like, I don't know what you want the guy to do. He blocked his ass off at Stanford. He's good after the catch.
Starting point is 01:06:38 He eats up targets in the middle of the field. So I ended up really high on Sam Roush. Man, J. Sean Barham and Armason Thomas, like they're just explosive athletes, man. Yeah, love it. They as stand-up guys, and R. Mason even has some takeoff with his hand in the dirt, they can just scream off the edge
Starting point is 01:07:00 and challenge and stress offensive tackles with that first step and speed. Big Citrus at 54. Another guy that was hurt this year. I love the 2024 tape. Lee Hunter at 52. We already talked about him. Skyler Bell,
Starting point is 01:07:15 I'm just naturally very high on in this draft. He's a great athlete. He's been insanely productive. He aligns anywhere. He's good with the ball in his hands. He's got ball skills. You know, one more guy in this group,
Starting point is 01:07:27 and then we'll get to your rankings that kind of gets lost in every conversation is Jake Gold Day, man. Like Jake Gold Day is big. He can run. I got him around the same range. Played inside. outside. We talked about him playing that overhang.
Starting point is 01:07:40 I don't know, man. If I had a scheme that needs somebody that's 6-4-2-40 but can also really, really giddy up. Like, Gold Day is, that's what an NFL linebacker should look like. Who's the other? Oh, Avion Terrell, I think, is the player that a lot of people are pointing out here. You got him in 66. Yeah, and this is before the 40, by the way. I mean, the 40 didn't help. Let's make that clear. Right. Right. Ran a 462 a couple times, set a hamstring. He's not fast on tape. He's not fast on tape. Like, watch his man coverage snaps.
Starting point is 01:08:11 He gets run, guys run away from him all the time. He's got good eyes. He's physical. He's an off coverage. He's got good instincts, clicking and close, everything in front of him. That's why he's at 66, which is a good, it's a big pick in this draft.
Starting point is 01:08:24 You've got to be good at something to be 66. If you ask him to just line up and play man against somebody, which you have to do that at the NFL level, I don't think it goes well for him as much as the corners I have ahead of him. Let's see my might. 51 through 70 that we have here. See where we're the same. See where we're a little bit different.
Starting point is 01:08:42 I think we're pretty close on Josiah Trotter. I think that you had him a little bit lower, right? Trotter I have at 60. You have at 70. Oh, yeah. Okay. All right. So we're right there.
Starting point is 01:08:52 Yeah, he is in that group. I got Jeremy Bernard at 69. I see him, God, where is he on consensus? Jeremy Bernard from Alabama. Probably pretty high. He's 52 on consensus. I got him at 60. Again, I think Jeremy Bard is a solid player.
Starting point is 01:09:10 I think he is a what you see is what you get, super reliable high floor. And if that's where you're looking for, I can see it within that late, second, early third round range. I mean, you got to get the elephant in the room here. What's the elephant in the room? You have Colton Hood at 66. I got to hear about this. Yeah, and I have Keldrick Falk at 63 too. Yeah, but nobody likes Keltrick Falk.
Starting point is 01:09:28 Let's just like make this, the internet hates Keldrick Falk. Every Cowboys fan sees him in a mock draft and threatens your family. Like it's just That's not hot take anymore Keldrick Falk If he's 175 on the consensus board I'd believe you if you told me that Yeah so
Starting point is 01:09:45 So cold in the hood I mean did you want to keep talking about Keldrick Falk we can't No no Poor Keldrick Falk man I think Keldrick Falk is big He's big man I think he's big
Starting point is 01:10:01 And he's 20 I think he's big No he's 21 that was wrong Oh no. We've been lied to. Yeah. Yeah. I think Keldrick Folk is big.
Starting point is 01:10:10 I think he's a nice three, four defensive end. I don't think he's ever going to be a great passer rusher for you. And an even front is a five technique. I think he's good against a run. He's got good length. But I just don't see a special player. I think this is a second to third round pick type of a player. That's sort of where I'm at with that.
Starting point is 01:10:29 I just don't. I find it so hard to believe. But everybody's just like, yeah, but look at the pass rusher that he could be. and it's like, do we really think it's going to get easier for him at the NFL level? It's not like he was like almost just kind of right there. I feel like he's got a lot of development as a pass rush. So he is somebody who I very clearly just said, I will let somebody else draft him.
Starting point is 01:10:51 And if he goes off for him, I'll tip my hat, and that's okay. Golden Hood at 66, I think he's a much more frustrating prospect than I think a lot of people are willing to admit. I think that he's got good overall athleticism. I think he's got good overall size, although he's a little bit slender. I think he can get pushed around a little bit when he's in press coverage. Something that's very strange about him is I think he's got heavy feet sometimes in press coverage where he'll be up in press.
Starting point is 01:11:16 I was talking with John Ledger about this when he was going over it with him. There are times when it's like he doesn't hear when the ball is snapped, I guess. I don't know, where the ball will get snapped and then the wide receiver will be like two steps into his release and Colton Hood is still just standing there. like staring at them and I'm like but get on the balls of your feet come on what are we doing here and then he'll get cooked off the line of scrimmage and then he's got to be in recovery mode
Starting point is 01:11:41 so that happened way more than I was comfortable with for me to just say hey yeah you're I think that his like timing and technique on the line of scrimmage and press was very hot and cold and then when it came to that zone coverage stuff I think he played more zone coverage this year but
Starting point is 01:11:57 just because you played more of something doesn't mean you were necessarily great at it. Like I heard somebody talk, I can't even remember who it was, talking about Colton Hood and they're like, oh, like I think that he's totally versatile. He played more press man coverage the years before.
Starting point is 01:12:13 This year he played a lot more off. And I was like, okay, hold on. He played more off coverage snaps. Did he play it well? Do you have faith for him to do this at all times? And so when I watched him, I think he's a good corner. But I just, I would not value him the way that other people do.
Starting point is 01:12:30 And maybe you're one of these people that would have. him in the late first early second round range. I think he's much more of a late second, early third round range corner that's got nice potential that I would love to draft and develop. But I don't want to stick him out there year one, week one, like you would for a guy who's getting drafted top 32.
Starting point is 01:12:48 So I think there's certainly potential with him. I like the things that he brings to the table. I just thought it was way too up and down for where a lot of people have him projected. I've seen him all over the place. I obviously like him a lot. I mean, to me, the size, the patience.
Starting point is 01:13:04 I thought the situational awareness by down and distance was, it's clear he knew exactly what was going on. He's got speed to open up and run. I did write down my negative notes, like, late to react to routes. So it's like that did pop up at times. And he's younger, right? He's a registered sophomore.
Starting point is 01:13:23 So, yeah, I mean, if you want to bet on that and that's going to get better, I can understand that. I just, again, I would be much more comfortable taking him in the later second. round than anywhere close to like the back end of the first but that's just me yeah i feel like terrell and hood are like each of our low corner rankings yeah because i have uh well terrell's just in my top 50 we'll get to that in a second i'm way higher on jill and jalen jill and i'm just willing to bet on it man like i think there's there's a lot of up and down but the athlete that he is and specifically
Starting point is 01:13:57 when you can play the slot the way that he does i mean keontay scott's right above them at 51. Spoiler, trading Stukes is a couple spots higher. He's in my top 50. When you can play the slot the way that these guys do, with the NFL being as predicated towards the slot as it is today, I mean, you need those, you need those chess pieces. Like, you need those guys who have the ability to take players away like that. So I, even though it's a bet on Kilgore, I'll bet on the, on the ability that he has there. I got Deshaun's shribling at 55. I already talked about him for a vertical offense. I think he could be a starting outside receiver. I think he could win vertically from the slot as well. I love that we both have
Starting point is 01:14:36 Jonah Coleman in the 50s. You've got him at 51. I got him at 57. I was just going to go there. It's good to see Jonah Coleman believers. I mean, he's just the most forgotten good player in this class, I think. Just I think that he's going to be a steady NFL offensive line or NFL running back for a long, long time. Where did you have Max Claire? I got him at 58. I still believe. Claire, I thought, was in my last group. Was he? Okay, okay. Okay. Yeah. Claire was in my last group. I think we might have just skipped it.
Starting point is 01:15:07 I'll pull it up in my sheet on here right now. But yes, Claire, obviously a tough evaluation. He's 78 for me. It didn't go like we thought at Ohio State, but there's still that kind of athlete in there where you saw like the Sam Leporta glimpses to me. I still believe. I still believe in it. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:15:26 Sam Hect, Center 1 for me at 59 overall. Kieran Crawford, I have above his teammate, Keldrick Falk. I have Kieran Crawford at 60. I have Falk is 63. Chris Bell, I got at 62. I got the two Michigan guys. Derek Moore is 65. J. Sean Barnum is 67.
Starting point is 01:15:45 And then I have Dionne Barke's top 70. I'm willing to bet on it, man. I'm willing to bet on him. Yeah, that one, no, that didn't surprise me. Hood surprised me. He's just my guy. He's just my guy. He's just my guy there.
Starting point is 01:15:55 You definitely like a lot, but I feel like that's, you know, that's grown across the You've talked about Sam Hect. Keldrick Falk in 63. Poor Keltrick Falk, man. He needs fans. Where do you have Abney? I have him 64th. I think he was in my other group.
Starting point is 01:16:17 Okay. I didn't know if he was top 50 or not. We must have missed them in the room. No, I don't have him top 50. Where is he? He's 80. I have him 80. I like this player a lot. I think he's really good in off coverage. I just don't think he's fast.
Starting point is 01:16:28 He grabs on when he doesn't try. He can trust his legs. Yeah, yeah. And I think there are too many times when he's going to not trust the legs. He had some big matchups, though, in college. He did. No, no, no, no.
Starting point is 01:16:37 I wanted to be higher on him. I just, when I have speed concerns for you at corner, it's really hard for me to overlook that. No, that's my Aviontorel argument in a nutshell. Let's go to the next group. Well, before we go to the next group, hello. We got to talk about our friends over at Pickpool. Folks, you can do mock drafts all you want.
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Starting point is 01:18:05 Fernando Mendoza, obviously, going number one overall. This is an accuracy thing here. So you're trying to get the player and the team and the draft spot correct here because there's a couple of different ways where you can get some points. I'm assuming you're going to want Arville Reese here at the Jeff. Yep, let's go Reese. All right, Arvill Reese. Who do you think goes three?
Starting point is 01:18:24 You buying the Jeremiah Love hype? No. No. Not in the slightest. not in the slightest. Then I'd go Bailey. Okay, all right. David Bailey number three.
Starting point is 01:18:34 Titans? I would have went Bailey here, but he's gone. But he is gone. Stiles? Not kind of like Stiles? Can I like it? All right. Solid guesses Fred Warner.
Starting point is 01:18:45 Yeah, yeah, yeah. Who the Giants taken now? Tice. Or downs? At five, who did he? Because they got 10, too, you know? Yeah, they're not going to get Tyson at 10. I believe that.
Starting point is 01:18:55 But let's go downs. I think they go downs. Yeah, yeah. Cleveland. Tackle. Oh, tackle. I would rather them take tape, but I think it'll be like a freeling.
Starting point is 01:19:08 Okay, let's go free. Let's go free. Let's go free. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I like the dart throw here. I like getting a little. We passed them, uh, chef. Yep, yep, almost.
Starting point is 01:19:18 Oh, there it is, there it is. Uh, Jeremiah love here? Actually, that does make some sense. Yes, too, Jeremiah, I love with Washington. Especially with all the defenders gone. Saints. Tyson. Okay, all right, Tyson the Saints.
Starting point is 01:19:33 That's why I said he wouldn't make it to the Giants at 10. Boane. Bain? Yeah, Bain to the Chiefs. Yeah, let's go. Tate, right? Probably. You did like blink there for a second, though. What about O-Line, though?
Starting point is 01:19:54 I think it's going to be O-Line. I know. I'm tripped up about the rumors about Maui Noah's back or whatever it is. And is that smoke? need a guard badly. Yeah. Badly. And he'd be a long-term right tackle for them after aluminum or lease. They could go Vega.
Starting point is 01:20:09 They could go Vega. What do you think? Let's go Maui Noah. All right, Maui Noah. Okay. There it is. All right. There it is, folks. Boom!
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Starting point is 01:20:53 All right, so... Oh, you think Blake Miller just is a CFL player. No, my God, come on. Dude, you're taking him to Canada. He doesn't even know the Canadian football rules What are you doing to the kid? We're doing a trip to Montreal I was gonna say trading Stukes is
Starting point is 01:21:14 His well-deserved 44th ranking Yeah you were gonna start out with the good Yeah but we can go Blake Miller Yeah I kind of I like I like Blake Miller a lot I do think maybe I like him just normal amount Just a normal amount He just has lapses and pay pass bro. He's not going to be that first round, maybe caliber tackle. Just a solid right tackle,
Starting point is 01:21:38 more of a brawler in the run game. Somebody said Blake maple syrup Miller. God. I've already been killed. I don't even know what to say. I didn't know Blake Miller at 45 would be you don't have to like I'll talk about Blake Miller plenty, but is the big, the deficiency of why you weren't higher on him? Is it dealing with strength? Is it you talked about the laps and pass pro? Just it's it's kind of just do you have strength concerns with him? What was it? Well, he lunges sometimes and then rush like rushers are able to cross his face out on an island.
Starting point is 01:22:16 Okay. All right. So that stood out to me. I thought against power, his balance was a problem. I thought he was kind of challenged by power with his balance. Totally. His highs in the ground game are awesome. But he is on the ground a lot.
Starting point is 01:22:31 It goes back to the balance and control. Well, I thought you liked the ground game. Now he's on the ground too much. Now he's just too much rolling around. Make up your mind, Rogers. What do you mean? What are you doing here? That's probably what the negatively graded run percentile,
Starting point is 01:22:43 37 percentile is from, is the balance and control. So yeah, Blake Miller is a OT2 for you. So definitely I see why I was challenged. I don't think he's OT2 anymore, but he's still in my top 20. So we'll get to.
Starting point is 01:22:57 We'll get to that. We'll get to that. Also, Chris Johnson, we had this combo with Mina, but it's good to bring back up. It's hard to find bad. of Chris Johnson. Sure. It's also hard to find film of Chris Johnson in premium matchups.
Starting point is 01:23:10 And it's always tough to balance that. You've made this point before, Trevor, like in a scheme that lets him play off a lot, I think he's going to do really well. Yep. If I'm taking a corner in the top 30, I want somebody that really, really is a man coverage disruptor. And that's just why Chris Johnson didn't make it into that caliber for me. But for some people, he is.
Starting point is 01:23:32 He's a little bit higher for me. Okay, all right, go ahead, and then I'll get to my gripe. No, no, go ahead, what do you got? McPounder, this is, this is worse than, than Colton Hood, potentially, because this is a guy that's near and dear to the show's heart. Yeah, what, what do you want me to do? What do you want me to do? He's a nose tackle living in a world that doesn't, that doesn't two gap anymore.
Starting point is 01:23:57 You just spies run defense. You have to get up the field. You have to get up the field. you hate run defense. You would go out there and play with like 7 dbs on the field. Yeah, 7 on 7 superiors form of the game.
Starting point is 01:24:13 And then you'd have probably just linebackers maybe one stand-up edge. That's what I do in Madden all the time. Nobody's hand is in the ground. No one's hand is in the ground. Don't just stand around like it's 7-on-7 or flag football.
Starting point is 01:24:27 Yeah, they call it an amoeba front. Why don't you learn ball? Dude, I'm about to, I'm going to buy you an air raid shirt. And you are going to, you are going to wear it the next time we're together. Does it come with Cliff Kingsbury sunglasses? Yeah, it comes with a bib. Look, I think 49 for what Caden MacDonald brings to your team is totally fair. Having him in the top 50, I mean, 49, I mean, you are a mid to early second round pick
Starting point is 01:24:59 type of a player. For somebody who will not rush the passer at all for you, who will, who is just somebody who's going to take up space in the middle. Now, that is valuable. That's why I have them in my top 50. But I just, I can't put a player who's not going to impact the passing game higher than right here. You know what I like is that you put him at 49 at a fear of the top 50 accusations. What do you mean? Like if you put him at 51, you're like, they would have been on my ass. He's got him outside of the top 50. They have been on my ass. Hey, you got to be strategic with this, you know?
Starting point is 01:25:36 That's why Garrett Nussmeyer was 100 for me. Oh, I got him in my top 100. In case he hits. He's going to unfollow the show. Oh, my God, this stinks. Now I'm wondering where the hell you have him. Dude, the McPounder is generational. Generational aura.
Starting point is 01:25:54 Sure. In the top 50. So why he's the top 50, dude, so he's a top 50 player for me. Goodness gracious. And if he goes off and he's a pro bowler, guess what? I'm going to say to people. I'm a top 50 player. Yeah, I saw it all the way.
Starting point is 01:26:08 I saw it right there. Yeah, he was in my top 50. Yeah, he was in my top 50. You have Casey Concepcion at 47. I think it's going to ruffle some feathers. Yeah, it is. People love him. It always makes people upset, which a day two wide receiver,
Starting point is 01:26:20 it's a lot to like. I just think with Concepcion, he doesn't have the long speed I would hope for. He definitely gets open in the intermediate. Like, he can separate. There's no denying that. it's just when you're not overly fast and you don't finish as many plays as I'd hope for and you are, he's not small, but he's got shorter arms and he's a little slender sometimes.
Starting point is 01:26:47 I just worry about him being, like, if people have Casey Concepcion in the top 30, you're believing that if not a number one, he's going to be a high end number two, like a high end number two. And I just don't view him as that at the NFL level. Rule said Casey at 47. NHL draft? That is. You don't even think he's a football player.
Starting point is 01:27:12 That is up there. NHL draft. Yeah, this group is problematic for the PR of the show. Oh, for sure. A 49, Casey of 47. Look, everybody likes to say, oh, what a fun year for different big boards, until you see a different big board. And then all hell breaks.
Starting point is 01:27:34 loose. Well, you know, and I see people questioning my comment about his long speed. I mean, yeah, yeah. Okay, yeah, he ran by Brandon Cese, but I didn't see him like as this, I'm talking long speed. I think he gets, I think his lateral agility and his ability to get open in the short intermediate is really, really good. I don't think he's going to burn by NFL corners all the time on deep balls at the next level.
Starting point is 01:28:00 Am I off here? Like I think I like his long speed. Yeah, I like his long speed more than you. If I didn't, I'd have him in the same range, though. But again, it's kind of like how you see the player. If you look at his speed and think that it's kind of just lateral and underneath, I can understand why you've got him in this range. I think he's got good vertical speed as well.
Starting point is 01:28:18 That's why he's in the 20s for me. Okay, yeah. I'll take that one if I'm wrong. A lot of people do not like that take. I just, maybe I just think that explosive, like, immediate wind down the field. I don't know how consistent that was to me. So that's okay. you've got Peter Woods at 41.
Starting point is 01:28:37 Strategically, I see you here because if he's bad in the NFL, you could say, hey, I didn't have him. I didn't have him as a top 40. He's good. Top 50. Top 45. Yeah, and if he's good, you'd be like, hey, I had him right there in the top 45. You know, I never took him out of my top 45.
Starting point is 01:28:49 He is going to be extremely scheme specific at that size. He has to go to an attacking front, like you mentioned. Which is absolutely where there's an evaluator like this, you can tend to ride the fence, like admittedly, because the power is out of. your hands. Like Eli Stowers, Kenyon, Sadiq, Peter Woods. These guys all have to go to, we had the combo with Logan Jones before. You're right.
Starting point is 01:29:14 These guys need to go to the right places. And as an evaluator, your life ain't always going to work out for you like that. And fortunately, guys find a second life in the NFL sometimes, but sometimes it doesn't work out when they miss, they go to the wrong spot early. Trade and Stoops, we both love. We've got him in this group. I have him 47, you got him at 44. He's just a hell of a football player, man.
Starting point is 01:29:37 Somebody who could play in this slot for you. And I already talked about when I was, you know, mentioning, Jalen Kilgore, how valuable it is to have that potential of a player that can really erase wide receivers and just different passing options, I should say, in the slot. So Trayton Stoog, I think both of being both of our top 50s, I think that will be reflected in the NFL as well. I like Kyle Lewis a lot. I've got him at 43. I think that this is another player who you could envision.
Starting point is 01:30:03 as a nickel defender who's more of a linebacker nickel defender hybrid who can give you that flexibility to keep a lot of the same personnel on the field because you can move him out into space in that apex role so I'm a big fan of his I'm a little bit lower on Zion Young. I have Zion Young at 48 so he's in my top 50 but again somebody who I love the mentality in which he plays never shies away from being physical loves contact he's built the way that you want a true like heavy handed five technique defensive end to be I think there are times when he shows a good step, but in terms of like build up speed up the arc, like truly turning that into a good speed pass rush plan. I'm not always there with it outside
Starting point is 01:30:42 of the long arm move and the speed to power. So I'm a little hesitant that he's going to be a consistent pass rusher in the NFL, but I do think that he has a really high floor and he's somebody who's going to be able to be a force on your defensive line. So I still like him in the top 50, but I just couldn't quite get there into that, you know, late second and even early. first round range with Zion Young because I know a lot of other people are close to that. All right. Should we move on? We shall indeed.
Starting point is 01:31:10 All right. Let's go to the 40 to 31 range. This group to me, obviously I'm higher and Gerardarian Price. Anyone that's watching an episode of this show knows that. I think you could be a number one running back at the next level and get more pass game on his plate. We saw Accus exactly the same. I think you had him at 42. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:31:31 Yeah. You're just not going to miss with. Gabe Accus. Good ball player. Yeah, good football player, strong, hard worker, sets the edge, has enough power. People will probably be surprised because the Hannajord took off like a, I mean, like a comet lately. Yeah, I know he's a great athlete. He has not been playing a lot of football. I totally understand. I am going to be the throw cold water on this, and I can't believe I have to do this when I have the guy in the top 40. It's, this is the, this is the, This is the pendulum swing that happens all the time.
Starting point is 01:32:05 Like some people will have Emmanuel McNeil Warren in the top 20. And I feel like I love the guy since September and now I'm low on him at 37. These are the weird things with the draft. Ihanichore is an awesome athlete. He's got the size to play tackle. He's naturally strong. He's an easy mover in zone. Like I did Sims's mock draft today and Sims had him going to the Niners.
Starting point is 01:32:26 And it's like, yeah. If Ihanichur goes at 27, 13 spots lower than this to the Niners, I'd be like, it's going to work there. They're going to develop him, his athleticism. He still is racking up penalties. He's still raw. He still is figuring out spacing and blocking on the move. He doesn't always land on his targets.
Starting point is 01:32:46 He's still learning how to sustain run blocks. He's still learning how to keep his pad level in check. These are things where we go with these guys. And all of a sudden they're now everybody's favorite top 20 player. And he can grow into being an awesome tackle, but he's still a early, second round tackle to work on those things to me. I agree with you.
Starting point is 01:33:07 Right. 100%. I have him like 15th overall. Right. And I see the player exactly the same the way that you do. I just am choosing to think with how little he has played the game so far by getting into the NFL, getting better NFL coaching, and honestly just playing the game longer. You mentioned sustaining blocks.
Starting point is 01:33:28 That's the biggest issue that I have with Max Deonature. There are so many times where he will. stop a rushers first move cold, naturally, even without great technique, because that's how talented this dude is. And then good pass rushers will hit a counter on him. He'll be like, oh, shoot, wait a second. I didn't know that was coming. So he's just, he's just got to, he's got to be better at maintaining those blocks, getting his hands up and inside to make sure that he is controlling these guys. But I think the ceiling is so high for this player. I'm working on that. If you are, sort of taking him at what he is and not guaranteeing that he's, you know,
Starting point is 01:34:06 going to take the leap. I think the top 40 is totally reasonable. I am choosing to believe in it. That's why we're going to get to him a little bit later in my rankings and just talk about how much how much I believe in this player and how good he is. I like the guards a lot. Like Passantis and Pregnan, plug and play, improve your offensive line, raise the floor of your offensive line.
Starting point is 01:34:30 Halsey is the player, Trevor. if you ask me, who's the player in the, maybe Jermad McCoy is the top answer, but that's not fun, that's obvious. Who's the player in the draft you think has the widest range of outcomes? Like where, I have no idea where AJ Halsey's going to go. Me either.
Starting point is 01:34:45 If he went like 80th, I'd be like, yeah, the NFL just didn't value him the way we did. I wouldn't be surprised. If he went, you know, 44 to the Jets or a team that needs the safety in the 40s, like, Halsey's an awesome player. Yep. I just, I'll, I'll,
Starting point is 01:35:01 Gladly be a little higher on him than everyone else right now. That's fair. That's fair. Let's see my players in this range because I think we got a lot of names that overlap here. I got Halsey at 32, so I'm right there with you. Okay. I just, I think that he's a really good player. You had Chris Johnson a couple of spots lower.
Starting point is 01:35:19 I've got him at 37, but we see him basically the same. Caleb Banks were right there in the same range. I got T.J. Parker at 40. I wanted to be higher on T.J. Parker. I just was like, man, is he going to, is he going to, kind of get lost in the NFL or are we really going to recapture what was 2024 for him? And I hope we recapture 2024, but I got a little spook there that he might just
Starting point is 01:35:39 get kind of like, not washed out in the NFL, but it's like, oh yeah, like T.J. Parker's solid, but is he going to be more than solid? I think that that's something that, um, that I'm wondering if that's the case. The way that you are with the honorature is the way I am with Freeland. I was going to say it's funny how you always have like another guy that's in that same tier. That's the way that you talked about the honorature is the same way that I talked about. in row Freeling. I think that we are way over our skis on Monroe Freeling. And again, if you want to
Starting point is 01:36:06 tell me the believing in the guy to get better and all that, all the things that I just said with Maxianature, but I am much more willing to bet on Maxionature because I felt like he was much more in control. I felt like he handled power better. I didn't think the pad level was an issue for Reonature as much as it was with Freeling. I think Freeling in his natural frame, I feel like he's always losing the leverage battle. He's got a good first step. But man, when when pass rushers really try to like make him move side to side. He can get pretty off balance as well. I felt like he was playing on the ground too much, especially when it came to like the power running game. So I've just got a lot more concerns with Monroe Freeling, it feels like,
Starting point is 01:36:41 and I'm much more willing to bet on Maxi Ancher than I am Monroe Freeling. Got Christian Miller at 35. He's my top defensive tackle in the draft. Cassius Hall is sitting there at 34. I have Omar Cooper Jr. at 33. And this is sort of the same, like what you said about Emmanuel McNeill Warren. I have him at 33 and everybody, and there's so many people that would see this and be like, wow, Trevor thinks he's undraftable. Holy cow, like how could you be this law on Omar Cooper Jr.? I think he's a hell of a player. I just think that we've gotten carried away with maybe the entire receiver class, but this is somebody who played most of his snaps in the slot, almost 80% of his snaps in the slot.
Starting point is 01:37:19 And I think people are just like, oh, yeah, man, he's an elite outside in type of wide receiver. And I go, maybe he will be. but he didn't really show that a ton when he was at Indiana. They just didn't ask him to do it a lot. So I feel as though he's still got a ways to go before he becomes this true versatile inside out type of a receiver. I love the yards after catchability. My pro comp forum was Greg Jennings, how he plays.
Starting point is 01:37:42 I mean, think of how Greg Jennings played with Aaron Rogers, where it was that in-breaking intermediate route run and stuff where Rogers would put it right on him in rhythm, and he'd be able to just go for forever. I feel like I see that same kind of production for Omar Cooper Jr. And then, yeah, I got Elijah Serata at 31. I feel like I'm going to be the highest on Elijah Serat for anybody. But this player has been so reliable, so dominant, it feels like,
Starting point is 01:38:06 in all of his level of competition when he has played throughout college football. Does he have the best long speed? No. But he's a good back shoulder type of a wide receiver if you want to play him on the outside. But I really love him as a big slot. I can't remember who tweeted this out. I'm sorry, I can't give you credit for it because I can't remember. But somebody was posting off.
Starting point is 01:38:26 target throws to certain receivers this year. And Elijah Serratz was the lowest of anybody at 5%. And that's a Fernando Mendoza stat, sure. But it's also an Elijah Sarat stat that he is exactly where he needs to be at all times. And it makes it easy for the quarterback to have that type of chemistry. Because remember, Fernando Mendoza got there this past summer. It's not like he's been throwing the ball to Elijah Serat for three years and they have that chemistry. Serat's always where he needs to be. He always knows how to maximize option routes. He always knows how to attack different leverages.
Starting point is 01:39:03 He's got great hands. He's got decent yards after catch, although, of course, it's not explosive. It's more about creating that separation. I think that when you give this guy two-way goes, he is going to have the opportunity to be a monster against zone coverage. Find those soft spots in the zone. Be incredibly productive. The high-end compass Keenan Allen, and I'm not going to sit here and say that
Starting point is 01:39:23 I think that he's going to exactly have the career that Keenan Allen had. But Allen was somebody who coming into the NFL had those speed concerns, but he won so much with saviness. And I feel like Surat wins so much with saviness. I think the production is there for a reason for him, and I'm willing to continue to bet that he continues to produce in the NFL. I had to warm up to Sarat, and I had him at 79.
Starting point is 01:39:46 And I was like, I did. I did warm up to him. Because for me, such a tough deal breaker more often than not, is if you just don't get away from people in college, I just naturally am going to, it's really going to be tough for me to like you as a prospect. There's got to be some kind of outlier reason to bet on him. And his attention to detail and a lot of the things you said, Trevor, is why I have him in the top 80 and as a third rounder,
Starting point is 01:40:10 like a good possession receiver in the NFL. I just don't know how often he's ever going to be able to run away from people. And then he's not going to be going up against corners that he's that much bigger than a lot. So it's, it is tricky. It's a tricky one where he's smart, he's reliable, he probably can carve out a really good number two role at the NFL level, but there is a little bit of him that has that outlier side of like, for sure, he's just, right?
Starting point is 01:40:39 And I want, oh, I didn't want to forget, your Omar Cooper point. What had me go to the next level, I think, with, you know, like where I'm ranking him and everything. I get your point about the slot. The thing that really helped me, though, like take him up into the higher tier than this was, 2024 he played 432 snaps out wide and he averaged over 21 yards a catch. It was just totally different usage that year in the offense. It was like this year it was they had all this great talent.
Starting point is 01:41:06 It was, okay, can we get you on a slant and a shallow crosser in the screen game? And you're like kind of a power slot. 2024, he played on the outside and was able to run by people down the field. So that helped me be like, okay, I think Omar Cooper could do all of this. But I get it. Like it's a good point of, hey, I really like Domar Cooper, and then everybody drove 100 miles an hour past me on the highway. What happened?
Starting point is 01:41:29 Yeah, right, right. Let's go top 30s. Let's go 30 to 20. What do we got here? Let's see. Who stands out? I mean, it's pretty chalky over here. Oh, Malachi Lawrence is 24.
Starting point is 01:41:44 Oh, could we see my list? Can we see my list? Because I also got Malichael Lawrence in here, baby. 26 overall. 26. Love that. Yeah, there's not really, I know it's not that fun. There's nothing really wild to discuss here.
Starting point is 01:42:01 I mean, how we know can get after the passer. He's not going to be a big edge setter. I've really warmed up to Messador over the months for what he is today. Kristen Miller, like, I just love the way he plays. He plays hard. He's strong. He does make a lot of disruptive plays, even if he doesn't fill the stat sheet all the time. Malachi Lawrence, I think for both of us, Trevor.
Starting point is 01:42:24 I have him 24, you have him 26. We're just betting on the pass rush upside. Yep. And he wins in a variety of different ways. He's got a great first step. He's explosive. He's got a lot of different pass rush moves. He's not going to be the best for you when it comes to run defense.
Starting point is 01:42:36 But man, I think this guy can get off the ball and he's good. You had Jacob Rodriguez in the mid-40s. I've got him at 28. I just, again, like I'm running out of reasons why I shouldn't consider him in the first round. Other than just like overall size for a lineback. Just not that big. Yeah. Right.
Starting point is 01:42:51 And I get it, but he was just such a playmaker. I'm kind of willing to bet on it. I've got Canyon Sadiq at 29. I don't find that wild. I've got a second round grade on Sadiq. And the reason why is just because when I look at him as a blocker, I think that he's a good effort blocker. I think he'll give you always got, he's not going to shy away from blocking.
Starting point is 01:43:13 But his shorter arms and his lack of overall weight, you're not going to be able to put him one-on-one against NFL defense events. So don't sit here and think, oh, okay, we're going to attach him to the line. of scrimmage and we've got a sixth offensive lineman out here. I don't think that's the case for Sivik, it certainly isn't right now. As a wingback blocker, as somebody who could be a split zone blocker for you, as a tight end too, okay, I like that. But how high are you taking that? Especially because now, if you don't believe that he's a dominant blocker, now we've got to rely on his receiving ability. And he's an unreal athlete, a truly special athlete, but he wasn't involved a ton in Oregon's passing
Starting point is 01:43:46 attack. And do we think that's just going to magically going to get better at a higher volume when he gets to the NFL? it does, I'm just a little bit more hesitant on it. So I've got him more in that fringe, late first, early second round grade. And obviously you can see from film, I gave him a second round grade as a player. I'm very curious to see where you end up having Caden Proctor.
Starting point is 01:44:06 I have him 25th. Okay. And then we obviously have Denzel Boston almost side by side. You have 21. I have 22. I don't know why nobody. Good player. Nobody is another Keldrick Falk.
Starting point is 01:44:19 Nobody wants him picked in the mock draft. I he's not Keon Coleman if I see that one more time No no I don't I'm I don't even know man Like it's it's tough to try to sell
Starting point is 01:44:30 Denzel Boston And I hope he ends up being a really good pro Because it's just bizarre That nobody likes him I think we can keep it moving I like Chase I like Chase Basantus a lot I got him at 25
Starting point is 01:44:40 Yeah I mean Basant has a little He's not as good as Gray's able But he has that feel of like I know what I'm getting He's gonna really help my line He can play right away Mm-hmm
Starting point is 01:44:49 And then the last thing is I have DeAngelo Panza top 25 player in the class. I'm willing to bet on it, man. Attitude. Attitude for corners. Explosiveness. It's all there for him. He doesn't have the height. I get it. Are there going to be some jump ball situations
Starting point is 01:45:06 that he loses? Are some bigger wide receivers going to give him a little bit more trouble at the line scrimmage? Yes, they are. But you can put him in off-covered situations there, and I think that he's great at that as well. He's not just a feisty press man corner. I think he can do it all. And he's got the athleticism to do it all.
Starting point is 01:45:19 You look at the last two years, elite coverage grades for a reason. So I'm just a big fan of DeAngelo Ponds. All right, let's go 20 to 10. Drum roll plays. All right, now we get into the round one in grades. I had 17. Wait a second. Hold on.
Starting point is 01:45:40 A week ago, I'm rigging a mock draft because I got Man Soord the Lane going 15th overall to the Buccaneers. Okay. And now you got him 13th overall on the Big Board. That's right. Okay, I just wanted to make sure that we were clear. Yeah, he's not making it to 15. I just wanted to make it clear. I just wanted to make sure that the record showed that that is what happened. Yeah. Wow, you got Cold Hood at 20. Yeah, man. It's still around two grade. It's just, it's not that kind of clad. I like Colton Hood a lot. I'm not going to shy away from that one. Same with Zion Young and Omar Cooper. Yeah. McPounder at 14 to redeem the pot.
Starting point is 01:46:18 Mick Pounder at 14. Yeah, dude, he plays grown man football. Oh, wow. man football. What's you going to do on passing downs? Push the pocket. Like a grown man. Nah, he can be out there. Hey, at least he gets you to passing downs. He gets, you can't run the ball on first and second down.
Starting point is 01:46:40 So now we have him in a third and eight while your flag football team is up. Eight yard run. Yeah, six yard run. Yeah, we're up 77 to 33 because you're running the ball. Man, 14. Yeah, grown man football for the McPounder. Brother, I respect you. I really do.
Starting point is 01:47:00 I respect you for putting him there. Thank you. I stay on brand. If anyone that watched our show last year, you're not surprised by either of us today. Again, you're supposed to, right? Again, again, like I said, like 10 minutes ago, everybody wants different big boards
Starting point is 01:47:13 until they see different big boards and then they freak out about it. And then they go, you, you asshole. No, this is the beauty of it. This is the beauty of having my guys, the guys that will stand on the table for, the players that we have that we see a little bit more value for. You have Zion Young at 19 as well.
Starting point is 01:47:28 So very clearly, like within this group, you like Caden McDonald a lot. You like Zion Young a lot. You like Colton Hood a lot. Those are sort of your guys here in this class for sure. I mean, think about all these guys. Colton Hood, physical corner. Zion Young, edge setter, and power rusher. Omar Cooper Jr. runs through people with the ball in his hands.
Starting point is 01:47:46 Jermond McCoy. I can't do the whole, you know, I'm not, it's going to be the Will Johnson thing again. It sounds like I can't play that game, Trevor. I think he's an awesome player. I pray the guy's healthy. He's absolutely a top 20 player in the strap. Better than that when healthy. Sadiq, okay, I get there's questions there.
Starting point is 01:48:05 But that kind of athlete and his demeanor as a blocker, Thineman's range at safety, like that kind of range at safety can do wonders for the back end of your defense. We already did McPounder. And then it's a lot of chalk, right? Like Delaine Tay and Vanga Yawane. It's just, I feel really good about these guys for them to get round one grades. All right.
Starting point is 01:48:26 Let's see, let's see 11 through 20 for me. So, whoa. Yeah, what do you want to talk about first? David Bailey at 19, I had no idea you were in the non-believer club of David Bailey. I'm shocked by that. Yeah, correct. I think it's, I think it's, I don't think that it's crazy that people believe in David Bailey. I don't.
Starting point is 01:48:52 I think it's crazy he's, he's consensus top three players. I think, no, I think, well, he's not top three for me. So I think that's crazy to me. There's fair questions with him. I get that. Thank you. Yeah. He, so David Bailey has a second round grade for me.
Starting point is 01:49:09 And the reason why is because I recognize that he has an elite first step. And I have a little category in my scouting sheet that has like, hey, does this player have a trump card? Like, does, is this so good at what he's doing? that the rest kind of you look over. And the first step explosiveness from David Bailey is a Trump card. So I get it. If you draft him and that first step explosiveness continues to be ahead, shoulders above players in the NFL, okay, he's going to be incredibly productive.
Starting point is 01:49:41 But I think that his overall skill set is way closer to a designated pass rusher than, again, like people are willing to talk about. He can be a liability against the run. When teams, when he doesn't have the ability to start. slip a block and get into the backfield, when he goes straight up against a offensive tackle or an offensive guard and even some tight ends, I mean, he can get stonewalled and pushed off the line of scrimmage pretty easily. I don't think he has the bend that everybody says.
Starting point is 01:50:11 I think people, when people talk about David Bailey, they go, oh man, elite first step, elite bend. And I'm like, you don't have to say these two traits back to back. Yeah, they can be in a vacuum. And I think they're absolutely in a vacuum. And I think that you saw that with David Bailey when he was running the hoop drill at the combine. And when he was, you know, run through, like, they're trying to get him to truly bend and he's instead flipping his hips. He's not really bending around the edges.
Starting point is 01:50:39 He's flipping his hips really quick and he's cornering that way. Now, it's a strategy to get to the quarterback. But a lot of times that's a strategy when you don't have that elite ankle flexion and elite bend. I think that when people sometimes see him do that dip move underneath offensive tackles, they go, wow, look at how it's he's bending. Yeah. He wins a corner. If he's just going down and cornering, that's not really bending.
Starting point is 01:51:01 Sure. So I look at a player that predominantly wins off of their first step explosiveness and not a lot of pass rush moves can be a liability against the run and then does not have that top tier flexibility and bend. And I go, okay, I'd love to draft you as a speed demon pass rusher at the back end of the first or the early second round. I just think it's crazy that he has just become a consistent. sense his top three player in this class. I think he's got way more holes than people are willing
Starting point is 01:51:30 to realize. And again, that's the, I would be more comfortable taking him back into the first round early part of the second round. I recognize the Trump card, but I would let somebody else draft David Bailey. That's just kind of how I feel about him in his Texas debt game. So Maui Noah at 20, you obviously like a couple of tackles better than him. Yeah, I have Maui Noah in my next group, so I'll get to him there. You ended up closer to me on Lemon than I thought. I had Lemon, I think, 21, and you had Lemon 16.
Starting point is 01:52:02 He's a first round grade player for me. That's true. The grades were different. He's a first round grade player for me. To be honest with you, Jordan Tyson, Carnell Tate, and Mackay Lemon are three different types of wide receivers. Oh, extremely. I mean, Jordan Tyson's going to play as a Z for you.
Starting point is 01:52:19 He's going to be a great intermediate route runner for you. He's going to be a big catch type of a player for you. Carnell Tate's going to be a vertical player for you. He's going to be a contest-a-edge guy for you. He's going to be a blocker for you as an ex-receiver. And he can be a move receiver as well. And McCaillem is going to be somebody who is a slot mostly type of a player, elite when it comes to the separation with two-way goes.
Starting point is 01:52:36 But he can win for you deep down the field as well, despite not having elite long-speed. These are just three completely different wide receivers. And so when people ask, hey, who's your wide receiver one? I'll bet on Jordan Tyson. But to be honest with you, it's totally scheme dependent on what team I'm drafting for. That's sort of my answer to who's wide receiver one. And I like all three of those guys.
Starting point is 01:52:58 Okay, so what else should we go through here? I mean, you've always loved Messador. I Hanature is probably the big riser. Yep, yep. So I love I Anature. I think that his ceiling is as high as any offensive tackle in this class. I think he probably, actually, I would go as far to say he has the highest ceiling of any offensive tackle in this class. I think Blake Miller is somebody who can start for a long, long time in the NFL at right tackle or left tackle.
Starting point is 01:53:22 I think that right tackle is obviously easier for him with him starting 54 games there. And then Caden Proctor, I have him at 18. I have him firmly as a guard. I don't want to play him to tackle. So you like him as a guard, but I like him a lot. He is a first round guard to me. I gave him a first round grade as a guard. I think that there are Carl Knicks type of plays from him and his size, his overall strength,
Starting point is 01:53:45 how difficult he is to get around. I think that you just basically the big weakness with Caden Proctor is he doesn't really have the foot speed at all times that you love playing on an island at tackle, just take that away. Go inside. I think his feet are plenty fast enough to be able to play guard. You just don't have to worry about those cross-face moves nearly as much and those stop and start type of things.
Starting point is 01:54:07 So I like him a lot as a first round guard, but I think he's a guard. Yep. All right. Let's get into the final group here. The top 10. You're going to have some surprises because you just had surprises in the last group. So something had to flip in that area. Mine is not really that.
Starting point is 01:54:27 I mean, the top 10 is always the most boring because you've guys have heard us talk about these players from the very beginning. Love and Downs are just so good at what they do. Mendoza, his growth this year was so fun to watch and a guy that I really warmed up to over time. Arvel Reese, I'm a believer, man. I think Arvel Reese is a great,
Starting point is 01:54:47 and I mean great linebacker prospect that has all the tools to be, a good, not good, great three, four edge player. I think Bailey's going to get after the quarterback at the next level. I agree with some of your points, Trevor, for sure. That's why I've been adamant that I want the Jets to take Reese, not Bailey,
Starting point is 01:55:03 at two. Jordan Tyson, it's been like this since last June, guys. Jordan Tyson has been my wide receiver one. He has never left that spot. And it sounds like we might go full circle there because Jordan Tyson could be the first wide receiver drafted Thursday. Sonny Stiles, I mean, if you listen to
Starting point is 01:55:21 linebacker show. This guy just flies around and creates chaos. I still really like Ruben Bain. He's a tweener. He's got short arms, but his power and leverage. And talk about Ben, Trevor, Ruben Bain can bend. Spencer Fano, I want to see him get a real shot at tackle what the kind of athlete he is. And I love Maui Noah. I love Talisa Fulanga. I think Maui Noah is almost the same exact kind of player. I think he'll be able to stick at right tackle. But if a Miami takes him, he's going to play right guard right away and he's going to be really, really good. He's so strong. he's a people mover. He's a good athlete that can really pull and run.
Starting point is 01:55:55 He's got the right mindset. I love his mindset of like, I don't care if they talk about guard or tackle with me. I'm playing one of the five spots. I'm a believer in that guy, for sure. Yeah, let's reveal my one to ten. I mean, about now I know I have him at 20. I don't love his feet as much as I love Talizai Fulanga,
Starting point is 01:56:11 so I'm a little bit lower on that. But somebody who I think could be absolutely a starter at guard or potentially at tackle in the NFL because he's got a lot of experience there. So look at one and two. Yeah, Caleb Downs is Jeremiah I love. So we have the same top two players, just in a different order. I got Caleb Downs at number one.
Starting point is 01:56:27 I got Jeremiah I love at number two. Ruben Bain Jr. is number three for me. I got Sonny Stiles at four, Arville Reese at five. Fernandez is a six. Dylan Thineman. Wow. I have as a top eight player in this class. I think Dylan Thineman is awesome.
Starting point is 01:56:42 He's a little bit undersized for an overall safety, but he sure ain't undersized for a corner. and if you ever want to put him in slot situations, I feel like he's got the athleticism, the hip fluidity, the explosiveness, the ball skills to be able to do it. He's a great tackler from depth as well. He can play basically anywhere when it comes to that range,
Starting point is 01:57:01 whether it's coverage range or run defense. I'm a big fan. I ain't Jermon McCoy. Look, man, I don't know what to think of any injury. Everybody's like, oh, it's degenerative. Oh, he's not going to play in the pros very long. I don't know. Maybe he's a second rounder.
Starting point is 01:57:15 Maybe what happens to him is the same thing that happened to Will Johnson. But all I know is that 2024 tape ruled. And that's all I really have to go off of because I'm not a doctor. I'm not talking to doctors that have, you know, looked at his knee. If I was, you know, picking for a team, maybe this conversation is different. But I think he's a hell of a player. I like Mansour to Lane as well. I got him number nine overall. And then Spencer Fano rounding out my top 10 there as well. I agree. I would love for Spencer Fano to get a shot at offensive tackle. But I think he is a long-term starter at all five spots on the offensive line, to be honest with you. I think that highly of that player.
Starting point is 01:57:51 Yeah, I mean, we could be talking about all pro caliber Spencer Fano inside, whether that's center or guard. And yeah, McCoy is the, McCoy's the tricky one, man. If McCoy ends up being Marshawn Latimore, I wouldn't be shocked. If McCoy, it just doesn't work out because he can't be on the field, it just happens, man. It's hard to quantify and predict when you're an analyst in his chair. But the chat saying, where's Diego Pavia? Diego Pavia is still in the film room with John Gruden. That's where he is. They're still just going over all sorts of Vanderbilt film. Did you see him with Tailing Green?
Starting point is 01:58:26 Gruden? No. Uh-uh. I saw a clip of him where he like wanted to do a finger pistol Western showdown. Okay. And he like got Tailing Green first because Tailing Green thought they were going to back up all the way and then draw the pistols. And then Gruden, I can't even say it on the show in case there's kids watching today. But it was, it's unhinged. It is so absurd.
Starting point is 01:58:49 I don't even know where else to go. It's just insanity. Insanity. Tail and Green stock up because he handled the thing so well. Okay. Great. So well. Yeah, it's nuts.
Starting point is 01:59:00 Future NFL tight end, Taylor Green. It could be. Yeah. He's just such a crazy athlete. Yeah. If he fails at quarterback, he's going to get that chance. You're right. I just don't think he's going to get a chance of quarterback enough.
Starting point is 01:59:11 And eventually the time's going to come where it's like, dude, you're an NFL athlete. And so we'll see. We'll see what his career is. But crazy athlete for sure. appreciate everybody watching. This is a ton of fun. Getting to our top 150s, getting to go through all these guys.
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Starting point is 01:59:42 become part of the addicts. Come back, hang out with us for the final mock draft episode that we got on Wednesday, the instant round one analysis that we'll have on this show, the draft grades after the draft, all of that great stuff. Once again, I will be doing Bleacher Reports
Starting point is 01:59:57 round one, two, and three coverage on their YouTube channel this upcoming weekend for the draft. Connor, you will be doing... Can I say it? What are you saying? Yeah, it's time to promote it, right? Yeah, look, it's Monday. Yeah, I'm going to be...
Starting point is 02:00:11 I'm going to promote it. We haven't said it anywhere yet. Yeah. Oh, so I did say it on. on a mailbag episode. Oh, perfect. All right, so it's out there. Yeah.
Starting point is 02:00:22 Yeah, man. Me and Sims will be doing reaction videos night one, but if you missed it, Trevor and I will be together. Tell the people! On the Bleacher Report Live show, covering every pick from round two to round seven.
Starting point is 02:00:40 That is all night Friday. I can't wait, baby. All day Saturday. Friday, we will be with Lefco. Dude, Lefco's got no idea. what's about to happen. I was on the phone with him for like two hours the other night. He's ready now.
Starting point is 02:00:53 That's good. That's good. And then Saturday, I think it's just me and you, Big Dog. It is just me and you on Saturday. For Saturday is like, Saturday is wild, dude. It is crazy. It's going to be, I cannot wait to do these shows with you. Brother, you said that you got scouting reports on 332 guys this year.
Starting point is 02:01:14 New career high. Yeah, new career high. Yeah. bro, I'm going to be leaning on you. You've seen all these guys. You'll be fine. Yeah, yeah. We'll be.
Starting point is 02:01:22 Do it. It'll be a great time. I want everybody to tune into all of that great stuff because it's going to be a ton of fun. The Bleach Report shows, again, night two and night three are the ones that we're going to be on together. And we're super, super excited about that one. We have one more show that we're doing this week before the draft. It is on Wednesday. We will do our final predictive mock drafts.
Starting point is 02:01:41 Now, Connor and I have two different final predictive moks that we will be doing on this show. because we have to submit them to the mock draft competition. And so, like, we have to actually have two different ones that we'll be doing on the show. So it'll be a little bit of the same format that we did here with the big board where we're kind of going through and seeing where our opinions differ. We'll be giving you guys all the intel and inside information that we have at that point to get you ready for that last day. One more thing. Before the NFL draft. Yes.
Starting point is 02:02:08 I see people asking, yes, we will be in person for the Bleacher report show. It's not remote. We will be in New York City together in a studio that's, Second thing, if you haven't watched it before, typically you can watch it in the Bleach Report app. You can watch it on HBO Max and you can watch it on YouTube. So it's insanely easy to watch. You go watch it like you watch this show. You can watch it on your phone on the BR app.
Starting point is 02:02:33 You can watch it on HBO Max. Damn, I didn't even know it was going to be on HBO Max. They can tell me this. My roommate works on that side of things. So she was telling me. She's a pretty cool roommate. So I know that she's very plugged into those things. So I would totally get it.
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