NFL Stock Exchange: An NFL Draft Podcast - Ranking The 2027 QB Class vs 2026, 2025 and 2024

Episode Date: July 6, 2026

With Trevor out on Vacation, Connor Rogers ranks all the recent major Quarterback prospects in a Quarterback Tier List! We're trying to get 75K YouTube Subscribers! Help us by subscribing with this link! It's 100% free and helps us out a bunch. Thanks! WE HAVE A DISCORD!!!!! JOIN HERE! https://discord.gg/AjqamEUyEW https://discord.gg/AjqamEUyEW?feature=description if the link doesn't work for you, just search 'NFLStockExchange' on discord and it'll pop up Follow us on X: https://x.com/NFLSEshow https://x.com/TampaBayTre https://x.com/ConnorJRogers We appreciate each and every one of you ADDICTS :) For business or other inquiries, reach us at [e-mail] Hosted by Simplecast, an AdsWizz company. See pcm.adswizz.com for information about our collection and use of personal data for advertising.

This is a little bit of a scouting lesson from me that I learned a handful of years ago. I would watch some of these bigger running backs. They would have this like extra wiggle to them. And I go, oh my gosh, look at him at his size. Being able to move like that, that's fantastic. And then they wouldn't pan out in the league or they wouldn't be as successful as I wanted them to be. And I go, how did I miss this player? A lot of physical gifts, a lot of the bonuses that you would want from them.

Wait a second. They weren't enough of the big running back first. It was like having disresolved. before the dinner. It's broccoli time, baby. I don't even think about that ice cream right now. It's broccoli time, baby. The NFL of the NFL Stock Exchange show.

I'm all by myself today. As Trevor, a much-deserved vacation for him. Great cold open from the chef there. Trevor just wraps the deep mystery. He goes deep into his brain on why big running backs maybe don't always pan out. And then I just sit there like a caveman and say it's broccoli time. great to see everybody in the chat. Sorry, we were a little late.

We did actually plan on, believe it or not, starting right at 4 o'clock. I know it's hard to trust us at that point. A little technical difficulty, but happy to be here right now. So cool show today that the chef and I have been working through because this is such a big quarterback class that we were sitting there and felt like just one show on it maybe isn't enough, but we don't want to obviously do summer scouting without Trevor here. So we hit the pause button on that. And yes, today is live, by the way.

I know our running back episode last week was pre-tape. Today I am live. You can make fun of me in the chat. I'll read it. We'll have a good time here. Today is about trying to fit in what these 2027 quarterbacks are going into this season, so a lot can change compared to the last three classes as prospects. So where is a Julian saying right now compared to where a Fernando Mendoza was?

And this isn't just going to be an S-tier or anything like. that. We have some cool categories that kind of differentiate this specifically about quarterback. So, Chef, let's pull up what we're working with here today, man, because as always, the chef behind the glass makes a really cool interface. So here's the tiers. Franchise guy with top 10 potential, not going to be filled with a lot of these different quarterbacks because that is a very, very, you think of, I would think Joe Burrow was viewed as that in his class. Trevor Lawrence was viewed as that in his class before him, Andrew luck. So pretty high-end kind of stuff. Home run swings, high floor, low ceiling, which is different

than a home run swing because I think the home run swings have a better, much more different but, sorry, than intriguing but likely bust. High floor, low ceiling. Yeah, it speaks to itself of what it is. And then intriguing but likely a bust, why it's different than a home run swing is, I think that maybe they have a better floor than just being a bust. Hail Mary, Long shots, you know, if Anthony Richardson was in this exercise today, he kind of falls into that lane. And then intriguing backup is more of, okay, you know, this guy doesn't really have a ceiling and the floor maybe isn't high enough to be a starter. I want to get to some. I'm going to read all the super chats at the end of the show today, but I will mix some in. But really great to see everybody in here

today. I'm seeing franchise guy mentioned. Shout out to Marcus who has joined the dad club, not too long right after me. So hopefully we can collab with Marcus soon. We were trying to get together for the Jets special that he did. But I was at the hospital having a kid. All right. So getting made fun of for the mustache already. No surprise there.

I say we get right into it right now. And there's always great producing from Tyler because he starts with a controversial figure in the quarterback world. And that is, of course, J.J. McCarthy. You see him right there, aka 9. The doubters and the haters call him 9 to 5. I know he still has plenty of support out there.

J.J. McCarthy, to me, and keep in mind, there's something really important in this right now. This is Chef Strolling, franchise guy with top 10 potential. Where will he fall? These are where they were as prospects. So how I tried to do this was a combination of what I thought of them, of course, because I'm the only one on the show today. But I also tried to do a hybrid.

where consensus had them, and then the third bucket, how the NFL viewed them. So it's not just everything that I thought. It's not just everything that the consensus board thought, and it's not just everything that the NFL thought or how the NFL drafted them, but all three blended together. Nine for me, to me, has to be intriguing, but, you know, likely bust. Because McCarthy and, listen, the NFL obviously thought highly of him, although I think opinions were very varied.

I think the scouting world, opinions were all over the place in terms of the media scouting world and the consensus board. And for me, I saw him as a second round player. And when you take a quarterback that high, that's a developmental second round player, they're probably pretty intriguing,

but we've seen how many of those types of guys fail over the years. So McCarthy as a prospect, I think, falls into that. Intriguing, maybe but likely bust is a little harsh to put into that. But unfortunately right now, unless McCarthy turns it around this year, that is the way he's trending right now. Let's get into Arch. Because Arch is one to me.

I think I'm laughing at sports debate arena who goes, Connor thinks nine his cheeks, the NFL thinks nine is cheeks, and the consensus board thinks nine his cheeks. I would say that that's a good question. I'm going to pull up what the consensus board actually thought of him in that draft because I feel like it was a little higher. than me, but nothing crazy on McCarthy in that situation. Okay, so maybe, maybe not. McCarthy was actually really high, if I'm seeing the consensus board right, is that he was in the top 10 on the consensus board. So I take that back. So McCarthy was viewed, if you were going just by the

consensus board in the community, he would probably fall under a home run swing for people that really like him for people that are a little bit more doubting and i'm going to have my misses but intriguing but likely a bust manning so arch is someone that i think if you asked the average football fan on the street they would instantly say franchise guy with top 10 potential and i think there's a real world where he can get there this year i don't think he's that today i think what arch and now this is this pendulum has actually swung too like too far both ways because you think of how things started against ohio state last year and it felt like the entire college football world was like you you guys have been hyping up this guy he stinks and would say probably like

intriguing but likely bust or even a Hail Mary long shot i mean the world was so far down on Arch. And then you watch how he finished the season. You look at the talent that he has. The bottom line is that he's obviously better than that, but not in the franchise guy with top 10 potential. I would put Arch today in the home run swing category. And I saw some of you already in the chat saying that because he's got the size, he's got the athleticism, he has enough arm. He is trending upwards when you watch last season. But, and if the draft was held today, I bet Arch would be the first overall pick. But there's a lot of first overall picks that are home run swings. There's going to be another one right on here from the last

couple of years that I think is a home run swing. Not every number one overall pick is a franchise guy with top 10 potential because it changes draft by draft. So, and I see a lot of you guys actually agree with this one in the chat is that he's a home run swing today. Because I said that the player he reminds me of right now is Jackson Dart, but it feels like he has a ceiling for much more. So let's get into Fernando Mendoza. This one, surprisingly easy. And I feel like the consensus board got there eventually.

People like me got there eventually. And shout out to some people in the industry that were always this high on him. I think Nate Tice comes to mind. Like he was somebody that was really, really high on Mendoza early. By the end of the year, it was hard to say Mendoza's not a franchise guy. And maybe the top 10 potential part feels rich for some. But man, you feel really good about FNDAZ. Fernando Mendoza when you draft him and take him number one, make him the face of your franchise,

the size that he has, the toughness, how smart he is, the throws he can make, how he operates, not only the offense he was in in Indiana, but that he played at two different programs as a starter, the fact that he got his sack rate down so far. Mendoza, I think by the end of the season, it didn't start that way, but across those three kind of pillars of me, the consensus sport in the NFL, he played his way into being that franchise guy with top 10 potential. So credit to him. Shadur Sanders.

Now, this is probably falls into one of the most polarizing ones, I would say, for Shadur, because there are a lot of people out there that probably would go as far as calling Shador a home run swing. And then there were people that probably evaluated Shador as an intriguing backup. We know he went in the fifth round, not just for, you know, football reasons. it felt like the theater around Chador caused him to slide, of course, in the draft as well. But, and I see A.J. C. No's ball in the chat says, I think you should add a developmental project here. I'm counting Hail Mary Long Shots as that, just to be fair. So it's a good call-out.

It, you know, in simple terms, developmental project. We tried to spice these up a little bit. That's why you have intriguing but likely bust. A Hail Mary Long Shot, probably a developmental player. Shador, to me, based on how I saw him and how things ultimately ended, is intriguing but high bus potential. And when you break those two things down, the intriguing is that Shador did a lot of really good things at the college level. And Shador was somebody that would hang in, make throws. He was tough, but he was also somebody that made mistakes, took a ton of sacks, held the

ball too long. And when you have a guy that has those splash plays, but also on a down-by-down basis, is so inconsistent. And J.J. McCarthy was the same way. Different college careers. But when you evaluate them as prospects of what they could do today versus what they need to work on, that's really intriguing. But unfortunately, as a high-end starter, you know, trending towards bus territory. Now, it's so early on these guys. So Shador is going to have a shot to win that job. There's a lot of noise around if he actually will, based on what Todd Monkin wants. want, and we know the coverage is going to be nonstop. So intriguing but likely bust.

I could see people having Shador higher than this, and I could see people having him as an intriguing backup as well. Carson Beck. Carson Beck was one of the rare guys to me that fell right into high floor, low ceiling. And this is a weird category because I think the range of talent when we're done with this show and you look at the high floor, low ceiling varies a lot. Carson Beck was once upon a time an intriguing but likely bust kind of player at Georgia and has totally changed his game at Miami as more of a point guard.

And we've talked about how this might be because of the elbow injury and how he's lost some of that juice on his arm. But he's really become more of a distributor. And yes, in a quarterback class that was thin, he ends up going as a top 70 pick. I think he's a guy that's going to start plenty of. NFL games, but I just don't think he'll ever have the ceiling that the team feels like they can move forward with him as the long-term answer. So somewhere between intriguing backup and high floor, low ceiling, but I think Beck ultimately

because of once again, the three kind of ways we looked at this, I felt like consensus might have been lower on Beck. I was somewhere in the middle. I'll tell you right now, as we've seen from where the NFL drafted him, the NFL was way, way higher on him than everybody else. So that's how he kind of falls into the high floor, low ceiling instead of intriguing backup. Soresby. We haven't had a lot of Sorsby conversation on this channel because Sorsby was really not a thought during our quarterback show.

And it's been a whirlwind of will he play college football? Will he be in the NFL supplemental draft? It turns out he'll be neither. Sorsby has to sit out this year and wait and he'll be a part of this draft class now. I saw him around QB 8 to 9 in this class, QB 7 maybe even based on talent, but there's so much more to unpack with Sorsby right here that I think there's just no other way to call him anything more than a Hail Mary Longshot right now.

And you guys, you know, I see it in the chat. I love when you guys guess these, so let's keep that going. I'll actually try to give you a little bit more buffer and a little bit more time to guess these. With no Trevor today, you know, I want you guys to be as part, as much of the show as possible as well as I hold down the solo hosting chair. But Soresby is every bit of the definition of a Hail Mary long shot. He's big. He can move. He can throw the ball down the field.

He can make explosive plays as a deep ball thrower, but more importantly or more consistently, it feels like as a runner right now. But everything else is just a total work in progress. He misses defenders roaming the middle of the field. He sometimes falls into bad habits. His accuracy can come and go. and then you have to unpack a wild off-field situation. There's no way around it.

So today, and I really think somebody would have probably used a third-round pick on him in a supplemental draft, which third-round range is kind of where a lot of Hellmery long shots typically tend to go. Caleb Williams. Caleb Williams to me, and once again, think of these guys as prospects. I thought Caleb played very well last year or is starting to go the way people were really, really hoping. Let's not forget what Caleb Williams was as a prospect, and he's starting to tap into

that to remind people. Franchise guy with top 10 potential. I mean, all the arm talent in the world, the twitchiness, the ability to reset the pocket. And now you're seeing it under Ben Johnson. Coaching is a hell of a thing, man. And you look at the steps he's made. What's so scary about Caleb right now is that he's doing all the incredibly difficult things at such a unique level already that when his instructor game takes a step from, it felt like it took a couple steps from into last year, but when it takes even more steps, he's going to be one of the most dangerous quarterbacks in the league. So this was a no-brainer to me, franchise guy with top 10 potential.

I would even give him the edge as a prospect over Mendoza, maybe not the same floor, but I think he's the guy when you look at the last three drafts combined with this upcoming one, and we've talked about it's going to be really interesting to see what guys from this group can play their way up a couple of tiers. Arch Manning, knocking on the door. And we'll see who's left. So I see Drake Holiday.

You said I'd put him at home run swing, man. It's fair. If you were lower on Caleb Williams because you worry about the habits of holding the ball, big game hunting, like hunting big plays, which he fell into that habit, missing the layup throws, then you're going to view him as more of that home run swing. I think, though, if you did a poll of once again of those three pillars, you'd probably look at franchise guy with top 10 potential. So Dante Moore really struggled with this one,

really struggled with this one. At the end of the day, I ended up with home run swing for Dante Moore. But what's weird about him is he's not incredibly gifted from a physical standpoint. He's not, like he's got a better arm than, you know, obviously a backup or even the typical, like, typical high floor, low ceiling kind of guy.

He's not physically imposing. I don't think he has a rocket arm. I said a lot of his game reminds me a Teddy B, which made me want to put him in the high, floor, low ceiling. But I also want to be fair that this is a young player. He needs to play more football. He's going to grow into that frame where he can get bigger and stronger, where I still think he has enough time to become a home run swing based on his talent.

So this was a really, really difficult one of home run swing and high floor, low ceiling. And I see a lot of you guys saying that in the chat. I agree. I was stuck right in between. And I can't say it enough. Like, it's not just all my opinions. I think how Dante Moore has talked about, I think the way he's discussed is in between franchise guy and home run swing, where I view him as between home run swing and high floor,

low ceiling. And I wonder if he just doesn't get that much better, he kind of remains what he is, if he falls down into that tier. All right, now we go to Nussmeier. Nussmeier had a wild college ride because it felt like if he declared for the draft a year earlier than he had to,

he might have been a first round pick. He's smaller, but he's got a big arm for his size. He doesn't take sacks. He'll be a gunslinger and hunt big plays down the field. He doesn't create with his legs. And when you're a smaller quarterback that was hurt,

and you played poorly your final year, because of injury, that hurts you in the draft. He falls into intriguing backup, but it feels like if healthy, and he gets a chance to develop, there is something more for Nussmeyer, but clearly the NFL did not like him, where draft media and myself liked him a lot more than that.

So now he goes to a place where we know he's a backup, so there's no other way to frame it. He'd have to be one of those guys that ultimately, you know, looks good in three preseason. and then the chiefs trade him because he looks so good and he gets his shot somewhere else. So, all right, mess the maker.

Buckle up for this one. Drew Mess the Maker, a guy that didn't even start in high school, which is so ridiculous when you think of it, and gets his chance at North Texas, now playing for Oklahoma State. This is a quarterback that is big. He plays light on his feet.

He's not afraid to stand tall. He rips throws in the middle of the field. He can roll out and throw on the move. The lower half is all over the place. He gets caught with that looping throwing motion we talked about. He's very raw on how he sees the field. I don't think he's a dangerous runner, but I think he's a good scrambler. But when you think of how little this guy has played compared to these other guys,

he's a new category. He's a total mystery box. And show him, Chef. Yeah, you didn't see this one. Mestimaker is the... Mest the Pounder. You guys are absolutely nuts. He's the total mystery box.

I mean, I watch this guy and I go, if by December he's in the top 10 of every single mock draft, I wouldn't be shocked at all. If he... If he... He helped the reaction to mystery box. If he is kind of the same guy in North Texas, but since the competition's better,

it magnifies some of his flaws. he's a day two Hail Mary long shot. But I don't know, man. There's just too many moments on tape where he makes NFL level plays. So Mess the Maker, I mean, he is every bit of the mystery box quarterback of this draft. And if you asked me today, I bet he goes in the top 10 of the draft. Just a weird hunch. All right, Michael Panix.

Michael Penix, who has just been on a never-ending roller coaster of his quarterback, the mystery box. That's awesome. Oh, man. Michael Penix has just been on the never-ending roller coaster. When you think back to what he was in his early college years and then the multiple injuries, and then back to being at a high level at Washington, and then flashes when he gets a shot for the Falcons, and now injuries, after not standing out as much as you'd want him to be. but as a prospect, the way he rebuilt himself,

you talk about the big arm, the three-point shooting style of player, he has to be in the intriguing but likely bust category with nine and Shador Sanders, where he's going to make these splash plays throws down the field. I did not love the offense when he was healthy last year, that he looked really, really good when they ran play action, and they didn't run enough play action.

It was just bizarre to me. But he's battling an uphill road with the injuries again. And he didn't play well enough that, you know, once again, this is more about what they were as prospects because I want to show you guys how some guys from this class stack up to the other classes. But Michael Pennix, and I think that would fall in line of how people viewed him.

Like there's no doubt, even if you were lower on Michael Penix, you'd sit there and go, yeah, I think he's really intriguing because his highs are incredibly exciting of what he could do to throw the ball down the field. But when he's healthy, even moving a little better than you'd expect. But with that injury history, you know, and some accuracy questions, he falls into that intriguing but likely bust category. All right.

Cam Ward. Cam Ward, and I saw some of you guys in the chat reacting that we were missing people. It's just loading up. So if you thought we missed someone there at the bottom there. Cam Ward. I mean, pretty easy, no-brainer home run swing to me as a prospect. Cam Ward was always a, you know, electric out-of-structure play kind of quarterback. And then that final year at Miami, you saw more of, oh, okay, this guy really, really is figuring out both at the position.

He's thick. He is tough as hell. he's got a little bit of an edge to him, a different personality in a good way, I think, the way is his leadership style and how he carries himself confidently. You know,

some of the flaws in terms of the wild plays or the turnover worthy plays take him out from being franchise guy with top 10 potential. But he's a home run swing. Because Cam Ward, home run swings can still be top 10 quarterbacks. You just might not.

have the comfort feeling with them at the level that you do with the highest tier, the franchise guy. But, and I saw the way Cam Ward finished the season last year, like, you have to feel pretty good about what he's going to be with just actual talent and coaching around him. Jackson Dart, maybe not the same level, of course, as Cam Ward. But Jackson Dart's a home run swing. I mean, the Giants move back into round. one to get them. This is someone that I think some coaches and evaluators in the NFL liked more

than the general draft community. And if you are on the home run swing side, after one year, you're looking right compared to the intriguing but likely bust where a lot of people had him. So, and I see Hail Mary Longshot, that one's tricky, right? Because there is like some revisionist history here you want to be careful with. The reason why I don't know if he's a Hail Mary Longshot is Dart started for three years and played pretty damn good football and was accomplished enough as a thrower that I can't put him in Hail Mary Longshot. Like, look at the one guy that's in there right now. It's Brennan Sorsby.

Sorsby has a prospect in terms of playing in control is not near where Jackson DART was when he ended his college career. So let's keep up with the chat here. Football analysis, does that say Carson Beck above JJ McCarthy? I think it's just different. Do you want to roll the dice? Don't you dare, Tyler? Do you want to roll the dice on an intriguing guy that has a higher ceiling?

Or do you want the high floor lower ceiling guy? That's kind of the tricky part of those two tiers and why they're so different. All right, Darien Mensa. I think he's officially the guy from the quarterback show and in the draft commuter. community already and you know Miami fans and all that he's going to plan a big stage just here for a great program that is the most polarizing because I watch Mensa and he does a lot of things really really well I think that he's someone that sees pressure pre-snap I think he throws with touch I think he throws a good catch and run ball I don't think he's

The biggest guy with a power arm when he throws the ball down the field, you could see him put a lot of his body into it. I don't know if the physical traits stand up to the guys at the top two categories there. But his intelligence and his ability to play in control, to me, says high, floor, low ceiling. Unless something drastically changes this year, I don't see Menta playing his way into being a top 15 pick personally. I know some people do. and it's going to be really interesting to see how that all kind of shakes out.

I don't see that. Now, there's going to be a guy that was a top 15 pick in the high floor, low ceiling, but the combo is different, and the situation's different, and we'll get there. All right, John Mateer. John Mateer is every single bit of a Hail Mary long shot. Matia is an electric dynamic runner. He can throw different arm slots, different angles. He can kind of whip the ball, almost like a baseball motion at times.

He is really filled out for his size, not the tallest guy, but really filled out. He's fearless. But because of that throwing style and losing his base, his accuracy and his decision-making can be all over the place. also a guy that has a shot to play his way out of this tier because was a lot of an injury last year. He came back way early compared to where everybody projected with his hand injury and he didn't play well at all compared to how he was playing to start the season where he looked like a Heisman guy. So, Matier, and the reason I don't have him in intriguing backup is, I think his tools exceed what an intriguing backup is.

but he's a Hail Mary long shot right now. CJ Carr, this would be the other guy besides Mensa that I think causes the most conversation from quarterback rankings. I think there are going to be people that look at how Carr plays in the pocket and they might almost be bored with him.

And there's going to be people and I think I lean on this side that watch car throw in rhythm play with confidence, pretty accurate for how young he is, how much control he played with. I like his arm a lot, I think more than people give him credit for. CJ Carr's a home run swing. I don't, and maybe there's a time this year where he gets exposed because Notre Dame's offensive line did such a good job keeping him upright last year that it felt like he wasn't

as tested as much as you'd expect. But also, he gets some credit for that. you get credit for not taking a lot of sacks and putting yourself in dangerous situations. So I think CJ Carr is a home run swing and has a really good chance to play his way into being a top 10 pick, or at least as a first round quarterback. Tyler Shuck, this one you need to be careful with, because the way Shuck played with the Saints at the end of last year, the second half of last year, doesn't factor into this. And Shuck was really good, in my opinion. Wildly impressive. Calm, collected in control.

Shody could throw the ball down the field, run the offense. Older quarterback, played at least three different programs, so you expect that, you know, that level of floor. But as a prospect, he has to be intriguing but high bus potential. When you have the laundry list of injuries that he had at the age he was,

you're really scared of him being a bust because it feels like one more injury away from like, is this guy's body failing him already? And is this guy going to be able to be on the field for us? But this is where the intrigue can, and yeah, sports debate arena, these are just as prospects. This has nothing to do with what they've done in the NFL. So, because I think that's the most fair way to stack up the 2027 class because they haven't played in the NFL. So you have to make it fair.

That's why Shuck has already almost outplayed, intriguing but likely bust. But as a prospect, I would say that's how he was viewed. I think there's probably a million Saints fans that when he was taken in the top 50 that were, devastated. And it's a small sample size, but it's relatively promising right now. But, you know, as Drake points out in the chat, it's not if, but when will Shuck get hurt bad again? And that was unfortunately the combo around Michael Pennix as well. And this is a weird thing with prospect evaluation, I think, in the field that I'm in, that probably frustrates some people, like NFL kind of people.

I think you do have to factor in injury for your evaluations, but I know a lot of evaluators like the caveat, you know, if he stays healthy or, and the reality is like that's not how you draft because if you have a high injury rate or you're a smaller player, smaller players get hurt, it does matter a lot. So that's why I should,

like you can understand why some were down on Chuck in comparison. Julian's saying, I'm going to be honest with you guys. Toughest one for me. Like truly, toughest one for me in the entire exercise. Some of these guys moved up and down. And Brenda in the chat says,

shout to that franchise guy for having the vision with Tyler Shuckama on this podcast last year. Shout out to Marcus. Marcus went to bat for Tyler Shuck, and he's looking right now. And Nathan makes a really good point. That's fair, but many evaluators leave that information out

because they don't have access to medical information that NFL teams do. Great point and completely fair. And there was a time that I was doing this not full time and didn't have any NFL contacts or information and that's how you have to operate when you're just watching whatever tape you can get your hands on the internet

and doing this from home. And you know, you don't know what the medicals look like. Julian's saying, I want to see what you guys think in the chat, what's saying, what's saying? because there is so much not only mixed opinions, but, and there it is,

from Jeffrey. Problem with Ohio State quarterbacks are the elite wide receivers they have. The thing is, that ain't changing this year. Just because Carnell Tate left doesn't mean it's any different. It feels like saying

was not asked to do an overwhelming amount, and then when they had to play their biggest games of the season, the walls kind of caved in a little bit. where I have to put him in the mystery box because he's such a young quarterback. I think there was real moments in terms of throws that he made last year.

And the way the ball explodes out of his hand at times for a smaller guy. But I don't think you consistently see a power arm. I don't think he has the prototypical size that you look for when you when you feel really good about the top two categories. though not all those guys do. And you just, I, I can't get out of my mind how things ended when things got really tough

towards the end of the year. That's for me where it's like, I'll go mystery box now because he has a chance to reverse that narrative that got created at the end of last year. But I wonder if we get to the end of the year and we kind of go, he's a Hail Mary long shot

because we've seen him uplifted so much by the supporting cast that we don't know what it's going to look like when it gets harder at the NFL level. Or does he develop and play so well that he's more of a intriguing or home run swing? Truly a guy that because of his age and the sample size, yeah, and I agree, it's a cop-out. So like I'm telling you I didn't know what to do with him. Right? So if I had to guess, I feel like Ohio State's going to be so good this year.

and he will take steps forward that he'll probably be viewed more as a home run swing with risk. It's like a lower end home run swing, which could maybe be intriguing but likely busts. See? Do I like him better than Mestamaker, though? No. I had Mestamaker fourth in my rankings.

I had say in fifth. So there you go. Drake says every Ohio State quarterback belongs in the mystery box. All right. Jalen Milrow, as a prospect, every bit of a Hail Mary long shot. One of the most electric running quarterbacks we've seen amongst these four classes.

Strong arm. All over the place as a passer. To the point where Alabama didn't always trust him. Awesome dude. Like work ethic is out of this world or you believe in the person. When you take these traits up, gifted guys, the guys that are outliers that work out are just all world character, work ethic, smarts,

and Milro has a lot of those things. So hopefully he can overcome some of the inefficiencies or flaws. But he's a Hail Mary Longshot kind of prospect. Okay, Trinidad Chambliss. Another one that hard to tear because when you look at Trinidad, right out of the gate his size is an outlier. His pathway is an outlier. From his recruiting to not even being a starter

to the fact that the NFL probably didn't give him high remarks last year where he fought so hard to go back to school. This one pains me because I like Trinidad so much. And I think he could play his way out of this. But I think because of all the outlier aspects, he has to be intriguing but likely bust. Now, let's be fair,

If Trinidad's taken in the third or fourth round because of his size and, like, is it fair to put him intriguing but likely bust? No, because you're not, if you're a, now, Shador is different because Shador didn't fall because of football reasons. And all the other three guys were drafted pretty early. Now, Trinidad just repeats last year and wins a lot of games, it's weird to call a small quarterback this, but he might be a high, floor, low ceiling guy. Because I thought he played so well in the structure he was in. So I wouldn't be surprised to see him graduate to that status. I just don't know if the NFL will ever, I will ever love Trinidad.

I think we on this show and the draft media will end up just naturally liking it more. So, Bo Nix. Bo Nix another weird one. Because how much can we abuse the mystery box? I'll tell you right now. Only those two guys, I think. I don't want to... It's like a button that you can only press so many times for.

It loses its meaning. Bo Nix, as a prospect, every bit of high floor or low ceiling. Bo Nix for 90% of his career so far, living up to that billing. Where it gets weird, Bo before he got hurt, was trying to shake that narrative, that label. It was like, can Bo be a home run swing all of a sudden?

Or the higher end of intriguing? I just, there wasn't a world where Bo Nix was going to be a bust. Like, Bo Nix at a minimum was going to be a backup in the NFL for 14 years. Because of how good of a distributor he is, how reliably he was in the short game, that fact that he had already passed the adversity box at multiple programs. But the way he finished the, year, you're like, man, is he a different guy than a lot of people, including myself, expected him to be. Now, he had a significant injury, and we're going to see when he's ready,

and there was a weird spat between him and Sean Payton about the specifics of that injury that didn't feel great from anyone's angle. But there's no other way to say, like, Bo Nix is a guy on this list, one of the rare already played in the NFL guys that can up his tier from how he was viewed as a prospect by everyone. Maybe besides Sean. on Peyton who took him in top 15. Ty Simpson. You guys already know. Ty Simpson is every bit of intriguing but likely bust.

We barely got any, like compared to sample sizes, incredibly small sample size. Incredibly small sample size of being healthy. It feels like up until about Halloween, he was playing like a home run swing. wing. After that, he played borderline long shot. So you throw him right in the middle. The problem was he was drafted to be so, he was drafted to be so much more. Where you drafted him and I know

it wasn't their initial pick and blah, blah, blah, you're not drafted him to be this fun long shot or intriguing pick. Like you got a hit on this one. So it's a bit surprising and I think that's why everybody else was so surprised. Jane Daniels, this is a really, really tricky one. Because after one year of the NFL, you're like, Jane Daniels is every bit of a franchise guy with top 10 potential.

Not that that matters for this exercise, but the reason he was a home run swing, though, and not the top tier as a prospect, is because there was legitimate concerns about him staying healthy. And the problem is, the second year, he got, hurt. So it's tricky, man. Like, I'll be the first to tell you. It looks like I missed on

Jaden Daniels. I was probably too low on him. But my exact fear came to fruition year two. So are we getting the rookie Jane Daniels for more often than not his NFL career? Or are we getting the year two, everyone's biggest fear? Older, skinny prospect that's going to get hurt, gets hurt. I mean, home run swing is a big compliment by the way.

And he went number two overall. He was highly thought up as a prospect. So, I see lucrative in the chat saying you missed on Dart

and Shador too. I liked Jackson Dart. Listen to our first quarterback show from like December that year when it wasn't cool to talk about Jackson Dart.

Did I have Shudor too high? Probably. Probably. We'll see. And it feels like a lot of people in this industry are probably going to have a shoot-door too high. But let's see after one year?

I love the definitive conclusions on quarterbacks after one year. It really is the, that'd be a good show. What quarterbacks had us fooled for one year? Josh Freeman's good season comes to mine. Yeah, not Mel Kuiper High, no. I think I should have her 32nd. I feel like Mel was talking about him being the first pick of the draft. Drew Aller.

Drew Aller is just every bit of a Hell Mary. And it felt like Drew Aller is the one guy on this show today that I think has been in every single tier at some point of his prospect life. Am I wrong? There was a time, I remember after maybe a sophomore year, where he felt like a high floor, low ceiling guy.

Didn't turn the ball over, boring football, blah, blah, blah, like played calm composed football. Then his highest moments, he looked like a home run swing. With the size, the deep ball. Then it felt like last year before he got hurt, he was intriguing but likely bust. And then you get hurt to add on to all those questions. It just feels like a Hail Mary long shot.

I see the Brizzy said your Cam Ward hate is wild. He will prove you wrong. Hate? he's in a tier with jane daniels and arch manning chef can you make a new tier uh yeah i can i can make a new tier like on the fly you can make a new tier yeah i can make a new tier all right uh you're gonna have to put cam ward in his own tier at the very top yeah okay greatest ever okay i got it thank you so put c j bailey with him too if you can make a new player i'm just kidding you don't have to do that. Drake May.

Drake May, this might surprise people. I think Drake May falls into franchise guy as a prospect. And it's weird because Jane Daniels didn't and went over him. But once again, factoring in partially what I thought and then partially what the NFL thought, I mean, I think what changes this one is, go back to our summer scouting show for that class. Trevor and both of us, me and Trevor, we came out of that summer scouting watch and we're like, this class has two dudes at the top.

Caleb Williams and Drake May. And it never changed for either of them. Think about how hard that is. Think about how hard that is. And yeah, I saw it in the chat. KT was like the Pats refused to trade that third pick, if I remember correctly. Yeah, the Giants were offering them a hall.

A haul and the Pats stayed put. And also there was plenty of people in the league. There was plenty of people in draft media that thought Drake May was QB1 or QB2. I had him QB2. So I think as a prospect, Drake May, maybe not the same level as Caleb Williams, obviously. Mendoza is a weirder combo.

I think as a prospect, Drake May was viewed as a franchise guy. And if you want to talk about the top 10 potential part, he almost won the MVP in year two. That's what makes the Jane Daniels one so difficult and require a little bit more nuance and comment. context because there was that injury risk, but Jaden was electric as a prospect. So I could see the argument if you, like, if you're like, well, you have Drake May and franchise guy, then Jane Daniels has to be in it.

If you feel that way, then I get that. Jane Miava, U.S.C. quarterback. I'll be better at trying to reintroduce the guys that are in the 2020s class for you guys just getting involved in this. Myava, to me, is another high, floor, low ceiling guy in this class with Menta. Myava to me, we've talked about beautiful touch thrower, calm, accurate, just layers the ball in. It's weird because he's a big quarterback, but he's not some power fastball thrower all the time with these crazy loaded up traits.

But man, he's played a lot of college football already. and he's someone that does a lot of the little things right. Trevor and I were like almost surprised that when we did our quarterback shown, if you missed it, you can go back and listen. It was from a couple weeks ago. Just how catchable of a ball this guy throws. I call it the nine iron throw is how he kind of looks.

And it's effortless. So really good on third and fourth downs, I think. Not a creative runner, which probably lowers the ceiling. but I think he's got a high floor that, you know, you look at, will he be as good as bow? That's a tough mountain to climb in this tier, but could he be better than what Beck will be? Yeah. So this was a really easy tier for me on that one.

Lenora Sellers. Lenore's Sellers is tricky because you watch Lenora Sellers, and, you know, you watch him two years ago. And you're like, ah, man, he's got a long way to go. Then you look at the numbers last year, and you're like, okay, I guess he didn't take any steps forward. And you watch him and he, he'll surprise you. I think he quietly did take steps forward, but the surrounding, the supporting cast and the environment was so bad that some of it was just impossible for him. Where I'm ready to put Lenoris above Hail Mary.

It felt like two years ago he was every bit of a Hail Mary long shot. I think he's intriguing but likely a bust. And, you know, I see from, from Dustin there, Sellers is another Milro. He's a better thrower than Milro today. He is. Now, is that saying much? Not necessarily. But in good faith, I can't put him in a tier with Aller, Milrow, Sorosby, Matier.

You know, he's incredibly gifted, big, can run, can throw the ball down the field, really tough. I think he's starting to figure some things. out, but you would rather, like, this is the guy that was billed as a home run swing kind of quarterback, and he's not there yet. And to be honest with you, he does have a long way to go to get into that tier. So it, you know, and he's someone to me when you look at the talent, no one should be surprised if like nine and Michael Panix and Ty Simpson, he's in this tier, but ends up being a first round pick. I see from Box, where's Clubnik? Clubnik would be intriguing back up all day.

No brainer. Levitt feels kind of between Hail Mary Longshot and intriguing but likely bust. Like stuck in between. Doesn't help that he got hurt. Doesn't help that he could be a bit erratic. I think he puts his receivers in some dangerous spots. But some of the wow throws,

the way he can move sometimes. C.J. Belly would be the same thing as Levitt. stuck in between I'd actually call CJ Bailey yeah stuck in between that Hail Mary long shot and intriguing

but likely bust closer to a Hail Mary long shot it's just he's another guy he's got a ways to go started playing at a really really young age as a starter so you try to give grace

with guys that you're watching their tape and it's like this guy could be like 19 you know and you try to be care that's why you know we might pull up

the old mystery box again if you were talking about CJ Bailey. He might even, because I was a little bit lower on him during our quarterback show, but I get why, notably the chat and a lot of NC State fans, why he's a guy that gets brought up so often

of like buying into the moments, like the good moments. NFL caliber arm, challenges tight windows. Like I said, he started since his freshman season. That was 2024. It was nine games that year. he started to run at the end of last year, which he has to do.

The sack rate was a big one to me. It was terrible two years ago, 28th percentile, went up to 66% only 4.4% sack rate last year, so that's a big step for him. I just think his dropback is slow and his process is slow.

So, but hey, I love how much the chat loves him. Like, the chat goes to bat for him. All right, gang. This was a lot of fun. I love the disagreements. Will Howard, intriguing backup. I want to get to as much of the...

Well, also, I don't know if you want to do this, but I think it could be fun to order them within the tiers. If you're okay to that. Order them within the tears. All right. Yeah, I like that idea, Chef. Well, I would go Caleb May than Mendoza. I would put...

Shout out to her guy that called me a hater. I was going to say I'd put Cam Ward at one at home run swing, but I put Jaden Daniels at one. Then Cam Ward. Then I'd leave Arch right there. I'd put Car over more. Did I have it that way in the rankings? Almost positive, yes.

I'd have it just like that. Then I'd put Bow at number one for high, floor, low ceiling. I think I'd put Mensa. No, I'd put Myava and then Mensa. Beck last. Yeah, beloved DJ Lagway right now is obviously a helmet. Mary Longshot, but, you know, we'll see what he does at Baylor. Intriguing but likely bust, man.

I mean, going by what they were as prospects, I think there's an argument to put sellers at the top of this based on talent. But once again, like he could have a year where he falls off a cliff of this. That's the beauty of being a prospect, is the hopium. then I'd put Pennix probably Shuck Shador

Trinidad over Shador yeah I think and I put Simpson over 9 right now yeah Simpson honestly if you're talking about right now Simpson definitely has a better shot than Shador

he is in a better structure but you know going back like a lot of people at the time viewed Chador at you know higher and Clyde said to include myself I think I'm like 31st or 32nd. Hell Mary Longshots. I might order it just like that. Aller's a weird one because the Steelers typically like you do believe in their environment. I think I'd put no I'll leave it just like that and then the Nussbus intriguing backup and it to be able to his own and then yeah I'd put

mess the maker is the ultimate mystery box so but this is them as prospects and that's the fun of this this is a really good exercise is like your brain processes it through especially on a solo stream which is so different from me and trevor's banter so which i know you guys miss you know it's a weird line because we don't want to go we're going to be off next week and we don't want to be off air for like three weeks. So I wanted to do something today. I felt like this was a lot of fun, especially with the hybrid of it

being this draft class mixed with the last ones. And I love talking to you guys. So, Chef, did we miss any superers or anything? I don't want to leave anyone in the dust. I don't think we did. No, I think, I'm pretty sure supers are disabled still. Supers are still disabled. Yeah.

All right. Thank you, YouTube. I'll do like two more questions then before we leave. So you don't have to send a super. chat. AJ knows ball, said Pavia below Caleb.

I should have made a tier for Pavia for how much of a football analysis said, can't say I enjoyed this one much, Connor. Probably because of the 9-8. Kato said Nuss has way better timing. I think he meant than Drew Aller. I would agree. I would agree.

B.J.L. said J.D.5, not in tier one is Wild Workman. Dosea ain't that guy. May played like ass against good defenses. stipulation is health. Thank you. That's the stipulation. This is my whole argument is you can't always just go big if he's healthy. Now I agree with you like if you put JD and franchise guy, I totally get it. I think it's a totally fair argument. But I do find the whole thing funny of like how many times we go, well if he's healthy, well if he's healthy and then the guy gets hurt. And I don't know, that's not fun. Like everybody wants Jane Daniels to be healthy and be the

rookie year version of himself because he's awesome. And this is as they, is that, them as prospects. After year one of an NFL career, Jaden Daniels looked like he was in his own tier beyond franchise guy with top 10 potential. He looked like franchise guy with top three to five potential. So CFL tier. No, we're not doing that. That would be that would be Pavia. That would be Pavia. Yes, if you just join trolling with JJ. J.J is intriguing, but likely bustle, though. You got that. The system keeps glitching. I don't know what's happening with that. Yeah, the system's glitching, chef. Yeah. If you got that screenshot, good for you.

So, Nico, I would put in Hail Mary right now. Some promising moments at UCLA at the end of last year, though, I thought for sure. So there was a lot of talent, big, big arm, but needs to build off of that. So, all right, last one here. Oh, last two. Beloved, I see you say, I feel like more is a tier too high. We had that combo when we put them on there. It's a cop out.

he's really stuck between home run swing and high floor, low ceiling. And that's the beauty of this year. You get to kind of land on a spot with more of a sample size. Wade said, how did you view the burrow to a Herbert and love class as prospects? So I know I had it. Burrow to a Herbert love, the order you wrote it. I would feel like,

let's see if we could pull up the consensus of that real quickly. I'd take a second here. Burrow would be franchise guy with top 10 potential. Like he was just, the way he played himself into being not only a number one pick, but such a, wow, this guy had, there's no questions with this guy, is pretty high end. And no shock, he was number one on the consensus board. And the consensus board had it, the exact order I had it.

Burrow to Herbert Love. As prospects, I would say, Burrough is the only one of those four that goes, franchise guy with top 10 potential. Herbert. It's weird to say, like, Tua almost needs his own category. Because calling Tua a home run swing, really was a home run swing, because people were looking at him, like, can this guy be, like, Drew Brees?

I think Tua and Herber, as prospects, I mean, you look at them on the consensus board, fourth and sixth overall, where they were drafted, probably both be home run swings. I don't think Tua was viewed as franchise guys. guy with top 10 potential because once again i view that category if you want to go through the last decade or whatever you're talking about Andrew luck Trevor Lawrence Joe burrow the three guys you see on the screen you know the reason that like a jaden daniels isn't there is some of the health

concerns but if you want to put him there i i have no problem with it so yeah and then jordan love it's weird because like you watch him as a prospect and you're like man he's really intriguing but he probably falls into the category of the, like, intriguing, but could be a bust. But when they go to Green Bay, it's like, they just have the magic wand. You know it's going to work out. So he'd fall somewhere between that, like home run swing, intriguing but likely bust. All right, guys, this was a ton of fun. I appreciate you guys so much for tuned in on a solo stream,

barring with me, putting up with me by myself talking to the wall today. And the chef, shout to the chef. I'll be using the chat for the chef for an awesome interface, tearing these quarterbacks. And the next time you guys hear from us, it probably won't be the rare. We don't do a lot of these, the rare NFL SE week off.

We really don't take many weeks off at all during the year, but it's the dead middle of summer. And Trevor and I will both be getting some downtime. The 20th, massive show. So two weeks from today, the 20th is the 2007 wide receiver rankings, loaded group. Stupid group.

I'm still watching them. I can't finish this exercise of the summer and move on to a different group because there's just too many damn wide receivers to watch. Jeremiah Smith, KJ Duff, Cam Coleman, Brian Coleman Williams, Mario Craver, Charlie Becker. I mean, on and on and on. So you guys are going to want to be seated for the wide receiver list. It's going to be awesome. That is two weeks from today.

Thank you to everybody in the chat. We will be live for that wide receiver show. That's why we didn't pre-tape it because I can't pre-tape arguably the best summer scouting show of the year. It'd be ridiculous. Thanks so much, guys. We'll catch you in two weeks.