NFL Stock Exchange: An NFL Draft Podcast - Senior Bowl Intel + Q&A

Episode Date: January 28, 2026

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There's no well. Oh my gosh. Do you rig this? Did you rig this? I don't believe you. I guess we have to now go to the evil wheel. What is? No.

What is this? Evil or a wheel? It is incredible that first spin, I'm praying for the Packers. Oh, wait. The opening bell of the NFL Stock Exchange podcast, Trevor Second. Connor Rogers is with you guys. Right smack dab in the middle of Senior Bowl Week. I am in Mobile, Alabama.

Connor, alive, by the way. Somehow. Monday show. Survived the airport. Well, hey, I survived having a draft for the Packers because I got the Packers in the mock draft wheel this past Monday. So who really had a tougher Monday? Dude, really think about it.

Number one, elite content. I was dying at Eviler wheel. Like that, like, it's one thing to see the evil wheel. We don't know what the Eviler wheel could unlock in that moment. I have no idea. I even said on the show, like, are these just layers of Dante's Inferno? Like, if we get the Eviler. wheel. Is there a space that's the evilist wheel? Like after that? I have no idea how the chef was going

to go with this. So I guess we'll have to continue to do wheel of mock drafts to see. But shout it to everybody who is watching the show, who watched it on Monday. We appreciate you. Watching a different timed episode there on a Monday as I sort of recapped a lot of what I saw at the Shrine Bowl around my crazy travel weekend as well. But it was good to get to see those guys in person, then get to watch the film notes on a lot of them. And that's a lot of what we're going to do here on this show as well. I mean, I made it to Mobile, so I've been boots on the ground getting a look at these guys in person during these practice setups. Connor has the full film arsenal at his disposal. So he has watched.

The league. League sources. I woke up this morning at the crack of dawn. I was like, save my ass. Got the tape. People, people will sometimes be like, nah, kind of didn't really have league sources. People. This is a time where I, you actually need him. He's got the league sources. Black market tape. And we've got so we've got all these notes on these guys from day one and how they performed. It was just shells yesterday. It was just the shoulder pads. But today,

I believe we're getting full pad work from these guys. So we'll talk to you a little bit about just the players that stood out pretty early. And then we'll just, we'll get into a Q&A as well. I know this is a big time of year whether you want to focus on like, hey, what do you think my team's going to do? Hey, what do you think about how strong this certain position group is? Is there somebody

specifically at the senior bowl that you guys noticed or didn't notice or things like that? So towards the end of show, we'll open it up and we'll make this a show for the addicts and do a little Q&A, good stuff like that. As we show, before we dig into it really quick, as we showed in that cold open there, one of the spaces that we landed on when we got the evil wheel in the wheel of mock drafts on the Monday episode was give away 10 free hats. And so I mentioned about a week and a half ago that the new hats are here. We're going to be restocking the Shopify store. But something that we are going to be doing because we landed on that space in the wheel is we are going to be giving away

10 hats via the discord. The NFLSY discord. So if you guys, you guys aren't in that yet, the link to join is in the description of this show. Come on in and you guys, obviously if you're in there, you won't miss it. I'm not sure exactly how Tyler our producer is going to set it up, but somehow he's going to, you know, collect people's names or emails or usernames or whatever it is. And then we'll do some random spins and we'll give away 10 free NFLSC hats there for you guys. So, just a more incentive for you to, uh, to join the NFL as he just board.

I like how you framed that. I don't know how Tyler is going to figure it out, but he is like when Kevin Colbert drafted Kenny Pickett and said, I don't know how you guys are going to figure this out, but here you go. See you later. That's good. Look.

I trust the, I trust the chef. Oh yeah. I trust the chef with my life, which by the way, I don't know if he, do we ever talk about this on this show? Tyler's parents for Christmas got him a custom.

got him a custom NFLSE football jersey. It's sick. It's in the Discord. That says the chef on it, on the back, on the name. It's perfect. It's so good. Better than the Mona Lisa. 100%.

No, no question. I mean, like the Mona Lisa is not even in. Different weight class. Yeah, yeah, yeah. We're talking about heavy weights versus feather weights here. There's no doubt about that. It's so good that it actually made me be like, do we need to do we need to look at mass manufacturing these sort of

jerseys, these NFL-C jerseys? They're pretty cool. So if you guys haven't seen it yet, I'll get Tyler to take a picture and we'll put it in the Discord. And if you guys are very interested in it, maybe we will make that happen. A cool merch item. So, kind of let's get it kicked off here. Let's talk about some senior bowl guys.

I will leave it open for you. I don't know how you necessarily want to do it. If there's just like certain players or do we want to go, you know, like offensive side of the ball, defensive side of the ball, certain position groups. I figure we could probably make it as open as possible because I wasn't sure exactly all the players that you wanted to talk about because everybody knows. that we don't do any pre-planning here on this show. We just say, no.

Turn the button on and. Somebody's some fellows talking to small. All right. So this week, dude, I have FOMO. I miss you guys. I've been going to the senior bowl since 2016, so I feel very lost at home right now. You know what? Yeah.

So you know what, though? Tyler is, Tyler is expanding your legacy here in Mobile, even with you not here. Because everyone that is- Chinatonics. Chinatonics? Oh, something important. Something important. He's too young to be drinking gin and tonics.

Oh, my goodness. That was incredible. Actually, yeah, the gin and tonics actually need to happen at feeds at some point tonight to make sure that we're truly honoring your legacy. But what I was actually representing is the fact that Tyler brought, I think, 50 uncrustables to the stadium. He actually did. He 100% did.

seen the cooler, I've seen him in action. Oh my God. Come up to the two of us and said, hey, love the show. I'm a huge addict. Tyler has said like, well, hey, Connor's not here, but, you know, he wanted me to give you this. I love this guy so much. Uncrustibles to the addicts that are here. Amazing.

So your legacy lives on, my friend. You guys are too good to me. I think I might steal a page out of his playbook and do that at Radio Row in San Francisco when I go to Super Bowl. Like, people will just get filmed doing the dumbest stuff at Radio Row. I think I'm going to be the guy with a Santa sack full of uncrustables throwing them out at Radio Row. And then Smuckers is going to be like, we didn't hire this guy. R.W. said signed uncrustables.

Pretty good. It's not even on the rapper. You're literally sharpying the uncrustable. Yes. Yes, which means you can't eat it. Oh, lovely. Okay. Let's dig into it.

Who do you want to shout out first here? Yeah, we don't even have to go like team by team. But I did want to kind of start with a big picture thought when I was watching. I watched the practices on tape actually in reverse. I know the national team practiced first and then the American team, but I watched the American practice first. I want to know if you felt this when you were there and on the field and stuff. Wildly different strengths and weaknesses.

Watching the American team with Gabe Accus, the pass rusher from Illinois, with Zion Young, of course, the pass rusher from Missouri, Derek Moore, the pass rusher from Michigan. and those guys were really getting after it against the offensive line of that group. While the national team, outside of a couple wins from Lee Hunter, the defensive tackle from Texas Tech,

I thought the national team offensive line kind of brought the fight. They looked like more of the aggressor. So it was just, and T.J. Parker had a good practice of the national team. We'll get into him as well. Yeah. Of course from Clemson.

But it felt like it was funny to watch two totally different styles and strengths of the rosters. Yeah, so the national team roster was, you mentioned, Ramello Hyte was one of them, denied Dennis Sutton, Max Llewellyn, Tyreeks Sapp, Lee Hunter, Zane Durant, Grayson Halton, who, by the way, like Grayson Halton was really popping yesterday. He does. He is somebody who, I think he won with a lot of quickness while he was at Oklahoma, and I know there's some fans, some addicts really love him in this class because he does. He's a little bit lighter of a defensive tackle.

he moves with a lot of great quickness but I was like, ah, you know, is he going to get moved off the ball a little bit to me? He saw a little bit about of that in the team portions, but those one-on-one pass rush drills

where you wanted to see him stand out, I thought he absolutely did. So that was great to watch. But yeah, I think that those guys, those guys were really bringing the power, like you mentioned. I think that winning with power was a theme

throughout, the entire day. J. Parker from Clemson had that one rep where he, you know, combined a good first step with leverage and that long arm to just forklift that offensive tackle and what was, I thought that that that rep was even better than the Derek Moore rep that were Markle Bell. He went up against Markle Bell. Me too. It's a little more translatable.

Yeah. I mean, Bell just kind of slipped before he made contact. Like his feet weren't underneath him. So it was so much easier for, not that Derek Moore didn't have a great rap. He absolutely did. I thought that T.J. Moors was much more of it. You look at that. You go, okay, you could do that in the NFL. Like, that's absolutely repeatable.

Zion Young winning with a lot of power as well, had one rep against Jew Bowery, the offensive tackle from Boston College, who I thought Jew Bowery actually had a good day. And so did. I like his team. Well, I know where you're going. Logan Taylor, not to jump all over the place here and cut you off, but Logan Taylor was one of my studs I wrote down. This is an open conversation. Yes, please talk about him and what you saw.

Logan Taylor, what I love about the Senior Bowl and the practice tape is it can send you down avenues of guys' backgrounds and especially this part of the process where you and I have done summer scouting. We've done some early rankings, but it's a lot of the top 100. And with Logan Taylor, this is someone that's played over 3,000 snaps on the offensive line in college at two different programs. He started at left tackle, right tackle, left guard, right guard. So he's played every position besides center. And he's got length. I had him on the spring sheet. He has over 34 inch arms.

He's 6 foot 6. He's a big guy. His anchor to me, Trev, at practice yesterday, was like NFL level stuff. Stonewalled Caleb Banks, who before the injury, we thought could be a first rounder. Logan Taylor is not only doing himself some favors, but you kind of look at this interior class now with the fact the guy could play tackle in a pinch. It's like, man, that right side of the Boston College offensive line, they're physical. they're tough and they showed up yeah i thought that both of those guys played really well um another interior offensive lineman who i thought really stood out on the day i don't know if you noticed this

but sam hecht hell yeah from kansas state now i'm coming from an event where when i was at the shrine bowl um i watched um oh man um jagger burton the center from kentucky sort of win in similar ways where when you snap the ball and if you get your hands up and inside of whoever you're going up against and you've got that quick footwork, that balance, that base, that core strength. I mean, there's only so much that you can do. Like guys can try to, you know, break your grip and they can try to, you know, push, pull you and stuff like that. But if you got that great grip strength, you can hang on and you can win basically

every rep that you went up against. I think Burton did that when we were watching him at the Shrine Bowl. But specifically day one, Sam Hector from Kansas State, I was so impressed. with him. He's about the only interior offensive lineman that I thought handled Lee Hunter from the defensive tackle from Texas Tech. There was one rep specifically where heck snap snap the ball, got his hands up inside, just like what I was saying, vice grip hands. And Lee Hunter is kind of like saw that he was in a situation where, okay, this guy's got a pretty good grip on me. Let me try to, let me try to get him on his heels. Let me try to stack and then shed him.

him away. So let me try to break his grip a little bit by taking advantage of a little bit shorter arms and then kind of throw you to the side. And when that happened, you could physically see the footwork and the grip strength and the core strength all married together with Hect where he was able to hang on to Lee Hunter in a way where he's not holding him. He's just able to stay in front of him and neutralize that power move that he was trying to execute. I was so impressed with him. I felt like he consistently won all day long, starter for the last 25 games for Kansas State at center, consistently good PFF grades.

So I was talking with Dalton Washerman about this a little bit. Yeah, you see Sam Hex grades right there from the past season, which you guys can see over at pff.com, obviously, if you go to the big board tab and then if you have a PFF plus subscription, certainly you can see a lot more for him. I was talking with Dalton on our show yesterday, and I was like, dude, I mean, Tanner Bordalini, was somebody who was an early day three type of a interior offensive lineman who is now a starter

for the Indianapolis Colts. And I could see Sam Hect being that type of center as well. So I was super impressed with him as well as the Boston college guys. Well, I love the way you broke that down because what I had wrote for Sam Hect on being a technician is that not only are his hands active like you were just breaking down, but in a different way you were saying how his upper half is in sync with his lower half. And that's so vital when the amount of speed to power you see on the interior of the offensive line. And this is a two year starter at center. So the amount of speed to power that you're going to see point A to point B, there's going to be so many times where you are moved backwards

immediately. It's just the nature of physics. But how you adjust and pivot yourself and like you said, the grip strength combined with your ability to control the point of attack with your lower body in that second phase is so vital. And I thought Sam Hect on tape this year and the previous year, and now it practices against big time competition, it was just one day of practice, but let's see if he can keep it going. Really, really displayed that.

So this would be, this center class has some talent. It really does. And it's nice to see him kind of throw his name into the arena here. See Young in the chat, which I'm just, I'm just going to call you Cy Young. I'm just going to combine it right there. I'm just going to go. Sai Young in the chat was asking about Tyron Montgomery,

the John Carroll University D3 wide receiver that they invited to this event late. I think there were a couple of wide receiver dropouts and he ends up getting an invite and accepts an invite. This is one of the reasons why this event exists. Right. You know, I think the primary reason, Connor, is we want to see these guys in different situations, right? You play tackle in college. maybe you're not going to play that at the NFL. How do you look at guard? You were more of a defensive tackle like with Darius Robinson last year, but you may be better as an edge player. Okay, let's see what

you look like on the edge. So it's all about sort of trying these guys in different situations than where they were in college. But it's also about finding these smaller school guys and saying, okay, you popped on tape, you dominated your level of competition. What if we give you the opportunity to showcase it against something that is closer to NFL competition. And Tyra Montgomery, man, was awesome. He might have been the most consistent receiver winning in these one-on-ones of anybody. Like I think there's a couple other wide receivers that I want to shout out here, but we're talking about a D3 wide receiver who the quickness, the separation.

I mean, he had some routes where he was cooking guys. He had a couple of routes. I think he was against Colton. hood. Yeah, it was. We're talking about Colton Hood is a potential first rounder and top 50 pick. And Ty Montgomery is, is, is working him on routes. So I am so glad that this dude is here.

I didn't even focus on wide receivers and corners, specifically when I was down on the field yesterday. So I didn't see a ton of this. But Dalton and Max were texting me. They were like, hey, this dude's really good. I go back to watch some of the, the clips from him. And he was fantastic. So I'm going to get a much closer look at him today.

But shout it to the senior bowl for finding this guy. Shout out to them and their scouting staff for thinking that this guy was worthy of his spot because one day in, man, he not only showed that he is worthy of being here, but he was one of the best wide receivers I saw at this event. Yeah, I thought so too. I think that's, you know, you nailed it where the most important aspect of the senior bowl is not always, you know, you get excited for what you know, like when a Colton Hood is there or even somebody.

you know, as accomplished as a gay backist and guys like that. And Lee Hunter has popped on tape. But these are the guys where it's like, what is it going to look like when you're an environment that is a level up. Call it what it is. It's a level up, right? And we got to see Ted Hurst from Georgia State make a massive play. You know, when you look at that one-handed catch he had,

where, you know, Ted Hurst is somebody that, you know, going up against Julian Neal, the big corner from Arkansas. Right. What is it going to look like for you in a contested catch situation? against an SEC corner that's almost six foot two. And he went up and found the ball and grabbed the, he skied over him with one hand and made the catch. So that's the kind of stuff that you're really, really dialing in on.

Speaking of the wide receivers, for me, we knew this, but it's still fun to watch in that environment. Kevin Coleman, Jr., his separation skills are just phenomenal. He knows how to win quickly. That's another thing you've got to kind of distinguish in this environment. Are you winning and how quickly are you winning? Are you winning in a way that'll work on an NFL field? rather than a one-on-one situation.

And Kevin Coleman, Jr., we always joke how he's well-traveled. He's played at four schools in the last four years. But he's been really, really productive across the board. And he's got good hands. For a sub-180-pounder, he's better in contested catch situations than you'd think. He knows how to finish plays. He's a quick separator and someone that right away, you could see that on the field, in my opinion, yesterday for the American team.

This event was always going to be an event where I felt like Kevin Coleman, Jr. could shine. You know, when I watched his film, he's a little bit smaller. What did he come? What was his official weight? I think 176. Was he, was he still? Oh, man, because I think he's listed it. Either 170 or 175.

And that's a weight where you just go like, man. 174. Okay. So that's a weight where you just go, man, you're going to get pushed around a lot. He's 511. He's not like 58, 59. No, I know. We just get you to 180?

But that's kind of what I'm saying is like. I know. He's got that slender build to him, but it's one of those things where it's like, sure, I can get pushed around if you can get hands on me. And like that's the sort of yesterday, Trev. And that's that's the sort of play style that he has. And so that's how you get in these one-on-one situations where what you're really looking for with Coleman is, of course, like in the opportunities where he has the ability to separate, you want to see him separate. But when he gets those opportunities to go up against you and press coverage, okay, what happens when corners, naturally will get hands on you early.

Like that's the whole point of the technique. Do you have the handwork? Do you have the release package? Like, do you have all of that in your bag as well to get past press coverage? Because if you can, then I think that we're talking about a pretty good receiver here. You know, somebody that was a little bit disappointed from in day one. And it's understandable given what they were asked to do and how they played in college. Chris Johnson, the corner from San Diego State, who a lot of people talk about is maybe a fringe

first round type of a player. You know, certainly a top 50 pick type of a name that we've talked about here on this show. Really good overall PFF grades. Really good coverage grades. You see on the screen right there, zone coverage grade. He had an elite off coverage zone coverage grade this past year. He's very much like an off coverage, quarters, cover three type of a defender. He wasn't really asked to do a ton of true close and press man coverage thing.

and when they asked him to do that at a senior bowl, I felt like he struggled a little bit. It wasn't like he was totally lost, but flipping the hips and keeping up with receivers and strike timing, all that kinds of stuff of man coverages that you have to have and you have to be confident with. I didn't see that really from him in day one.

And maybe that's just to be expected because he wasn't asked to do it a lot at San Diego State. But I'm going to continue to monitor that over the next couple of days because, again, this is a corner that we're talking about in the top 50. And if you're going to get drafted in the top 50, yeah, okay, certain teams have their scheme fits and everything. But you've got to be able to be pretty versatile as a corner to go up against some really good wide receiver. So little disappointed in that regard.

But with the context, it's not the worst thing in the world. And it's more of just something I'm monitoring going into the next couple of days. Yeah, I'm with you. It felt like a lot of ups and downs for him where some people there was just, there was either all ups. There was really just nothing happened. But with Chris Johnson, it was highs and lows yesterday. I think even Colton Hood had some of that where I thought physically, Hood looked really. the good.

Yeah, beat a couple times. Right. You know, it's an environment where, especially on day one, we always say this, the guys working backwards are often in a spot that is more difficult than everybody else. And that's going to affect the corners in one-on-ones.

It's going to affect the offensive linemen. I mean, Nick Singleton in a past pro rep just got speared like Goldberg style. It just happens, man. I miss the past pro. I miss the past pro rep. So you might have seen all those and I miss the, yesterday, so I didn't see him.

Yeah, the Oregon linebacker, oh my God, that could play baseball, I heard. Oh, yes, what is his name? I'll pull it up right now. On the national team, I want to say. I think he's on the national team. It is, oh, Bryce Becher. Yes. Yeah, I'm pretty sure Bryce Becher is like, like could play baseball.

I need to check into this. Bryce Becher is a baseball name. Yeah, he was drafted by the Astros. I'm pretty sure. He was drafted by the Astros in the 13th round two years ago. And like 13th round picks in baseball. Like it's not like if there was 13 rounds in the NFL. Like they make it plenty of times.

So not a ton, but like plenty of them do make it. And yeah, he's going to have an interesting decision to make. But he, he like, and it's a tough spot, man, like for the running backs. Like you're flat footed and cool. Someone usually bigger than me is running 100 miles an hour right at me. And Singleton's pretty big and strong. but that time like that you're just going to just Goldberg done it's like oh my god it's it's a tough drill man I think that that's that's the is that the most underrated tough drill like we talk about

yes offensive tackles and edge rushers going one-on-one where the offensive tackle has no help we talk about corners on the outside or in the slot actually corners in the slot going to get because slot receivers one-on-one is brutal but I also think that running backs being asked to pick up a linebacker who has no other responsibilities, no other bodies to get around. They're just running straight at you. But like 12 yards of depth. Yeah.

I kid you not. I have had agents tell me before. It's one of the reasons they will hesitate to send their running backs to the senior role. They're like, I don't want them having that viral clip in past protection drills that they feel like doesn't equate enough to the actual game. And like obviously, like those are top running backs that avoid it.

but it's a real thing. That's how tough it is. DeSauter saying society's gone downhill since the Oklahoma drill was banned. They do things that are, they don't do the Oklahoma drill. They skate around it. They kind of do. Running back is really tight.

And I mean, like you bring up a good point. Obviously, I love these events and it's fun to go to. But I mean, if I was an agent representing a running back, it's unless you had a really bad year for whatever reason, like for example,

Nick Sele said, you didn't have a great year. Well, right. And like these are the guys that you would kind of want to come to these events. Singleton's one of them. Jaden Ott from Oklahoma where it's like, okay, why didn't you play this year? You need to kind of go out there and show what you're made of. So I think he makes sense. Like even Seth McGowan, who I've talked about and I like the journey that he's been on, he just hasn't played a lot of college football. So you come out and you play in a different environment. Like all of that I think makes sense for these running backs. But to your point, it's really hard to actually stand out and help your stock.

outside of the game. Because when you get into the game, like even the team periods in practice, like you're not taking these guys to the ground most of the time. You're not going full speed, lower in the shoulder and all that kinds of stuff. You basically as a running back don't really get to show out until you get to the game.

And even then you don't get a ton of carries. So it's just something that when you think about these events and I know a lot of people will sometimes see the acceptance list. And they're like, oh, I love this running back. You know, like how's this player doing? The answer most of the time for running backs is they're not really doing. anything. Exactly right.

Because there's not a lot to report on these guys. Somebody's asking about Derek Moore from Michigan, even outside the edge rusher from Michigan, even outside of the Markell Bell rep that went viral, I thought Derek Moore looked really good. And for whatever reason, we, the NFL, however you want to say it, has just been underrating, I think, the edge presence at Michigan over the last couple of these years. seasons because Josiah Stewart ends up. I know he's a little bit smaller, but Josiah Stewart, you watch his tape.

He's relentless, man. He's pretty pound for pound, pretty strong, really good passers win percentage when he came out of the draft ends up being, I think he went to third round to the Rams. He did, 90th overall. And he has been like a great addition to their rotation. Derek Moore, same thing, man. I don't think he gets talked about enough. People think about him as like being a little bit smaller.

I mean, Derek Moore was, what did he measure in at? Derek Moore measured in it six foot three and a half, two 55. I mean, when you hear people talk about Derek Moore, they talk about him as if he's like 240. Like he's 6-2-240. He's not that play. Because that's his style on tape, but not yesterday. Not yesterday, man.

Even when you got into the team drill, some of the run defense drills, I thought he played really strong as well. So I think Derek Moore as well as your boy slash, I'm just going to say our boy. I think this is a unified NFLSE guy now, Gabe Accus. Gay Back is fucking awesome. Dude, he was, he's a pro.

He's absolutely an NFL player. We should talk about Gabe Accus as a top 50 pick. I really do think that. After watching him in person yesterday, this is a top 50 NFL player, especially in this class. And now he's starting to go the Zion Young route where, like we all know what Accus can do from, a three-down perspective. He's big. His spring weight was two-79, which is huge on the edge.

And this is a guy that plays standing up a little bit. And then 6-3-279 in the spring, 33-inch arms and almost 10-inch hands. It's a big guy. Plays with power, rumbles into pulling guards, converts speed to power. But Trev, what I saw yesterday at a 260 way in was a little finesse. Where I was, I'm like, yes, Gay-Bakus three-down player where, and I think you were the one that pointed out, you're getting to see him also play a little four-eye, like he's different alignments with him. Yep. Now, Gay-Bacch goes from a guy where, hey, I really like him on early downs. He gives us an edge-setter.

He could rush a power. Oh, this guy has more in the tank on passing downs than we initially thought, where if he goes in the top 40, like no one should be surprised because it's so hard to find three-down edge players that have NFL size for different fronts, but don't completely, you know, go in the tank on the pass rush downs. Genuine versatility. I think versatility is a word that we love to use throughout the entire draft season to, you talk about guys that have any sort of flexibility whatsoever. But Gabe Accus has physical flexibility or versatility when it comes to where you can align

him. He has the strength to be able to play on different alignments as well. And now he has the burst from what we're seeing with him playing a little bit closer that 260 pound weight. So I was so impressed with him. The hands are strong. Just overall, I think his upper and lower body, it is really strong.

He's built very well. He won from that four eye technique. He won as a stand-up. He won and run defense drills as well. If you run any sort of a multiple odd front defense, like he is absolutely worthy of a top 50, top 40 overall pick. Like I think of the Patriot,

like the Patriots are the first team that comes in my mind where I go, dude, when they're four down, he can play as a five technique, defensive end. And then when they want to put five guys on line of scrimmage, you could put Gabe Accus as a stand-up outside linebacker type, like what he did when he was at Illinois. So any odd front multiple defense, and I don't know a lot of defenses do this just naturally nowadays

because you want to stay versatile, but he's such a key piece. By the way, Peter in the chat saying that Trevor is a closet of Linae fan. Listen, brother. Darren Williams, D. Brown, Luther Head. I mean, that's where my Illinois love started. that Illinois basketball team. That is genuinely the college basketball team that got me into college basketball. Broke my heart when I was younger and they didn't win at all because I thought that they were.

They were fun. They had energy. They had cool uniforms. It was easy as a kid to be like, yeah, these guys were rule. Dude, D. Brown has there ever been a guard with greater swag? He had the cornrows, the headband. He had the long white socks. I need to, I need to, I need to,

D Brown aesthetic right now. He was, he was absolute money from three. He was quick as hell. That was the baggy, the baggy uniform era too, and he still made it cool. Yes. Yes. That's what's amazing. Yes.

Should we do some super chats in between right now? Because we got a lot of good ones. Oh, yeah, sure. Absolutely. Well, let's start with Wiscoe right off the top. Thank you for a hundred dollar super chat. Whiscoe. Trevor, thanks for pimping the Green Bay Chai's solo.

nailed the pick with Hunter. Third, I've been of the mind to retool the offensive line and have been going with J.C. Davis or Max, is it I Eajar? I forget how we said over summer. I think it's Eonature. Eonichir, that looks right. I think. I have it in the guide somewhere, but we'll get that one right, I promise.

I don't want to miss the rest of this. Do you think either of those guys would be there at 84? Renner has him as a back. Oh, I think it means back end. Yes. I don't think that. Uh, I think that's how you had it.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. That's how I had it in the guide. All right, I honature. Renner likes him a lot. I remember Renner, Renner actually texted me about him. He's like,

yo, if you watched him? I think he's an athletic dude, but I still think he's a little inconsistent. Yeah. And I think that a lot of people who look at his athletic gifts and how he moves,

and you're seeing a little bit about a little bit of that at the Senior Bowl as well. But he's, you know, a little hot and cold. I just don't think the consistency is quite there for him yet. I would understand taking a chance on him

somewhere on day two, I'd probably say like in the third round. Me too. I haven't done his full scouting e-val yet, so maybe I'll change my tune a little bit. But right now, the way that I've looked at him is I've always kind of felt like mid-round pickish. You know, third round, fourth round type of the thing for him. I'm not as high as on him as like back into the first. But I think that that's an option. I think J.C. Davis is also a really good option for the Packers.

I think he's that kind of player who's got that guard tackle versatility that they really like. I think that he could definitely be a great option for them. but yeah, I went with, I went with Lee Hunter as the second round pick for the Packers, and then I went corner. I was going to kind of take whatever bigger corner was left, like a Julian Neal or a Dailen Everett or Will Lee is who I ended up giving them. I think it's sort of an outside corner with length and then somebody on the interior defensive line, but then they probably go with the offensive line after that.

Good job by you meeting all the Packers thresholds. It's tough. It's tough. That's why we're sweating. That's why we're sweating out here when we're trying to do these Packers mock drafts. Thank you, Wiscoe, for the big super chat, man. Chase Chavez, thank you for the super chat. I've been listening since the locked on and stick to football days. And at the time, I was in grad school.

Just took a position as a fellow at Northwestern. Thankful you guys have gotten me through some of the grind. Congrats, man. That is to have a fellowship at Northwestern, that is pretty prestigious. So you are super smart, it seems like me. And I tip my cap to you. Congrats, Chase. Tony Lee, $10 Super Chat.

How important is positional value for you in the first round? How much better does a player have to be to take a less valuable position? I think that there's this answer, not for it to be a total cop-out, but I do think that it's a little bit fluid every year. I think the baseline of the question is like, yeah, if you have a safety, an off-ball linebacker, a guard, a running back, that it's not that these i think that people get positional value wrong Connor right because i think when people think of the positional value and they hear this conversation they think oh you don't

think this position is valuable no no no that's not that's that's not really what it's saying so maybe the the verbiage is actually kind of wrong in how we talk about it the reason why positional value a lot of times is what it is yes some positions are more important to the game in a one in one-out relationship, but really, to me, it comes down to much more about scarcity. And where is the scarcity? You look at offensive tackles. Not only are they, not only is at a very valuable position, you don't get starting caliber offensive tackles to come around all the time.

That increases positional value. You don't find quarterbacks that are top 10 quarterbacks in the NFL all the time. That, of course, increases the positional value. Tight ends, like some of the top tight ends. You're talking about, you know, Trey McBride, Tucker Kraft, you know, Sam Leporta, like all these guys, Brock Bowers, like all of these guys. You don't find tight ends like that every year. So it's much more of the supply and demand scarcity part of the equation that I think people don't think about enough. When you think about guards, you can kind of find guards all the time.

When you think about running backs, you kind of find starting running backs all the time. Offball linebackers. I mean, look at the Rams, man. They're starting an undrafted free agent in Omar Spates. There's a lot of guys out there who are starting linebackers who are day three guys or undrafted free. You can kind of find those players. Think about what you just said.

Sorry, go ahead. I don't want to cut you off. Well, I was just going to straight. But when you talk about guys who are tier one, that's when the positional value argument starts to change a little bit. When you get a player like Caleb Downs, when you have a safety like Kyle Hamilton or Derwin James or when you have a guard like Quentin Nelson or when you have a running back who can do as much for you as Bejohn Robinson or

Christian McCaffrey. That's when you actually start to think about positional value being a little bit different. So I think the positional value conversation, it is way too like in one box that people just like to talk about in one certain way. And I just, that doesn't do justice to how you would actually factor in positional value for draft importance in my opinion. But go ahead, go ahead. I want to hear what you had to say. No, I just found it fascinating this exact discussion because in my mind, I'm thinking,

okay, this has been labeled a little bit as a little bit of a weaker draft. Two of the best players in this draft are Jeremiah Love, a running back, and Sonny Stiles, an offball linebacker. and it's going to test teams with the exact combo that you just broke down. And then there's a whole other combo with Rvel Reese. It sounds like the league might see a pathway for Rvel Reese to do what Jalen Walker just did and play on the edge more at the next level and we'll have a lot of those combos. But even when you take Reese out of the conversation,

Love and Sonny Stiles are two of the best players in this draft. And they play two of the positions you just said might not be deemed. as typical round one value, but they are going to go in the first round. They are going to go in the top 15 to 20 picks easily. And it's going to be a fascinating exercise, especially in this draft. Yeah, I was actually talking to good friend of the show, Field Yates, who does a lot of everything for ESPN, but he's picked up a lot of draft work over the last couple of years, which I have very much loved because Fields is a good friend.

I always respect his mind for the game. And now he's doing a lot more draft stuff. And I was actually just talking to him about this, about just the positional value part of doing a big board and how sometimes that's tough. Like you and I even, we do our big boards a little bit different when it comes to weighing certain positional value

or how much is a big board based on like a true film grade versus, you know, projection or position or things like that. And so that's why one of the cool exercises that we're going to do here on this show this year in, you know, conjunction with PFF is I'm going to take a lot of my film grades and I'm going to actually use PFF's wins above average numbers that we have to create almost this multiplier to create not just an overall big board, but then also a secondary board that I would call a positional value big board to

sort of walk through with you guys to talk about how we're getting to that point and you know, how that looks and stacks up versus how the league might draft a lot of these guys. And so we'll get into a lot of more, more of those conversations at a more in-depth level. Connor, a $5 super chat. So do the Rams make over under one and a half first round picks this year? Connor, I think they're making under. You do? I think the Rams make one pick in the first round this year.

You think they have big plans? No, I think that they trade out of the second round. And I think that they get 20-20. Yeah. Sorry, sorry, sorry, the second pick of the first round. That makes a lot of sense. I think they get 2027 assets. Yeah.

Yes. It makes sense. I'm fascinated by the Rams because they're going to be a team constantly in the combo for a player like Ty Simpson and the fascinating discussion that they have to have. is assuming Matthew Stafford plays, and do you just keep going all in on trying to win a Super Bowl? And while everybody's like, well, they're going to take somebody for the future eventually, what if Sean McVeigh and Stafford are just like,

hey, we're going to ride this thing out and keep trying to double down on winning a Super Bowl? And maybe they just both won't be there when it's done. And they don't care. And I could be wrong. I don't know. I'm just throwing around scenarios. Or maybe they do take Ty Simpson and try to have the next guy and McVeigh goes forward with him. we don't know, but it's an interesting combo in this light of like what avenue will they take.

Right, right. If Stafford comes back, you would think they're all in on trying to get over the hump again. Yes, for sure, for sure. But I do think that Les Need does do a really great job of balancing out. I mean, they already have a fantastic roster, right? And it's a young roster too. It's not a good, it's not a super old roster. So, I know.

It'll be very interesting, very interesting. Travis loves Jailix Hunt. What a name. Thank you for the $5 super chat traffic. Straightforward. There's no, there's no guessing about what Travis thinks of Eel's Edge Rush or Jalix Hunt. There's,

just taking the guessing game completely out of it with that username. I love it. If Dallas Goddard leaves in free agency, which tied end in the draft is the best fit to fill that spot for Philly. Max Claire. Yeah, I think that's where your mind goes right away. Right, right. Max Claire, if they want somebody with a little bit more blocking ability than Claire right now,

Sam Roush is interesting. That would have been the next name that I mentioned, your boy. Roush is kind of that mold that would make a lot of sense there. Libertarian Sasquatch, thank you for the super chat. Big dogs, what bum can the cards draft this year? Boy. Come on, you got to have some faith. The draft is the only hope, usually.

I was going to say, have some faith in Monty. He's been building the team. You got some talent on there. They are in a peculiar spot, though, this year. I love for them. I love for them to get offensive line. I do not think they're going to draft one at three. No, it feels like they'll get a difference-making disruptor.

Yeah. If they're staying at three, they're drafting defense. You know, you're drafting like Arville Reese or maybe one of the pass rushers. But if they really want an offensive lineman, I think it could see them. Yeah, it feels like the Jets in Arizona right now. have this bucket of Rvel Reese, Rubin, Bain, and David Bailey. And two of the three should go in those two slots, but we'll see.

We'll see. Echo Warrior, $2 super chat. If you all watch Jack Kelly, the linebacker from BYU, 14 sacks over the last few years, I have not. Neither have I. Was he at Shrine? I don't remember his name. I'll take a look and try to...

Okay, I'll read the next super chat, but you look that up. D. Sauter, $5, Super Chat. I can't believe, Connor, I skipped the evil or wheel Monday show, Rogers, Miss T.J. Forklift certified Parker in Mobile. Hi, Trevor, lawn, gnome, sycamma. Geez. Wow. That's a new one, actually. That's a new one. I don't know if, I don't know if, Connor, you caught this part of the show that we did on Monday, but I once again walked away from the camera to grab the height weight list that I had from Shrine Bowl. And as you would expect, was once again getting shredded and called, you know, half, pint-sized Diego. I mean, this is, oh, my, come on.

By the way, I didn't see him on the American team tape because as we said, the off-ball guys and running backs don't get to do a ton right away. But Jack Kelly is on the roster for the American team. I didn't watch linebackers yesterday. Yeah. So I didn't see him on that tape either, but now I'm excited to get into the tape. We're not actually here. The whole event's actually AI.

I don't know. I was going to say, this isn't me. That's why I wasn't there Monday. They just recreated a. hologram of me. I don't know. It says the same stupid things I say normally. Okay, we'll read Axelhorn and then I want to talk a little bit more senior bowl and

kind of wrap of everybody that we wanted to bring up here on the show. And then we'll get to more super chats, of course. Axelhorn, I'm stopping with this one because it's a classic. $5. Start bench cut. Brownies, ice cream sandwiches or smores? Deep breath. I'm cutting s'm spores.

Me too. And I didn't really have to think very long about it. Which obviously I hope my wife's not watching this show. because she loves s'mores. Oh, a s'mores connoisseur. Yeah, she loves a good smores. Now, she also loves brownies, I think, more than any of these.

So I'm not breaking her heart too much, but she's down for a good smore. I just think, dude, it's just too messy. It's a lot of work for, like, the return is average. It's so mid. Yeah, yeah. The return is so mid. Yeah, it's a thing that kids do to stand near the fire with a stick at a marshalo. Yeah.

When you're an adult, E. Yeah, this is. Now, the next part's harder. Ice cream sandwich or brownies? Yeah, because I love both. I think I'm... Brownies have a higher ceiling. I was going to say brownies at their...

Brownies at their best are the start. But any average ice cream sandwich, I'll say in that exact order. Start brownies, bench ice cream sandwich, cut s'm with you. I'm with you right there. Gary Greenlee, aka football analysis, so I'm sure that you guys follow all of his great work as well.

He said stock is horrendously down on you guys's taste buds. And then said learn. Learn. That's it. Just a command. Learn. Educate yourselves on something for once. Wrap into one word.

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to talk about? One more. Okay. All right. Who you got? I just find Baylor wide receiver Josh Cameron interesting because he's a contested catch beast. His body type is for what he does is very different. He's 6-1, 223 pounds. He's physical in his routes. He's got good tracking skills on throws down the field.

But the fact of this guy almost averaging 21 yards per punt return in 2024 is fascinating. Yeah. This guy was amazing. machine in 2024 and the year before that returning puns. He was more average this year. But like this is somebody that is really, really physical. And I think with that kind of size profile, there's a role for him at the NFL,

especially if the special teams translates. Because can he be a blocking receiver for you that also plays at it? It was a walk-on at Baylor, Trevor. I remember. Yeah. That's really, really impressive road for this guy. walk on to two-time first team all Big 12. The chat's saying,

sounds like Mike Evans. I'm back to sure. And not going to the Hall of Fame yet, but sure. Either is Bill Belichick, am I right? Yeah, so. Dude, how ridiculous is that? Well, how unreal is that? Like, initially when I read it,

the hater in me, because the man ruined my sports football fandom when I was retired. Yeah, you were like, good, good. You're like the suck. Wait like the rest of us. Then we're actually, your industry source is Bill Polian and you've just been just very steadily, just being like, I don't know, man, Belichick, yeah,

Spygate, everything is going on with North Carolina. Brown's tenure wasn't that great. People forget. I mean, who was he without Brady? Am I right, Bill? Some are calling him a Tom Brady merchant. Then, like, after 30 seconds of reality settling in and me trying to be a semi-professional, I was like, this is ridiculous.

That's just the dumbest thing. And then they asked Bill Pulling and he's like, I think I voted for him, but I don't remember. I'm, uh, that's not great. I just, it's just one of the dumbest things that I've ever seen. For us to get Chedore Sanders into the program and Bill and Bill Belichick not making the Hall of Fame in the same week is just one of the toughest looks for the National Football League in league history, which is really saying something. It's the, you like watering things down is one thing, but making things outright not matter is problematic. Yes. The Pro Bowl doesn't matter anymore. The Hall of Fame needs to matter a lot.

It needs to matter. And the NFL is a tough Hall of Fame. A notoriously tough Hall of Fame. It's not like basketball where like most people get in. The NFL is notoriously. It's so prestigious for that reason. But Bill, Well, check. You got to wait a year, buddy. Like, holy smokes, man. Yeah, tough. Anyways, getting back to the senior ball. Okay, there's two offensive linemen that we didn't talk about yet that I do want to make sure that we touch on from day one because I thought they really stood out.

First one is a player who hand up didn't really like his tape at all. Demetrius Crownover from Texas A&M. He was on our list for summer scouting. We watched him a little bit for summer scouting. I don't think he was anywhere close to my top eight offensive tackles when we were going. through the show, but the dude is listed at 6'5, 330 pounds, super long arms. He very physically gifted. That's never been an issue for him.

But you see on the screen, not a good pass blocking grade for him. I believe it was a 58.4 pass blocking grade this past season. And that's because, yeah, sure, he has the length that you love, but he was so often reacting instead of anticipating. Like, that's been his big issue for me. When I saw him in the one-on-ones, he looked fantastic. brought the fight. The lower, he was dictating the contact with those longer arms, brought the fight.

I love how you said that there. His feet were more married up to what his upper body was doing. He was able to put his foot in the ground and mirror guys, really good lateral movement, way better lateral movement that I saw from him consistently when he was at Texas A&M. Now the team drills, he wasn't as rock solid as he was during the one-on-ones, but still I thought Demetri's crown over looked like the best offensive tackle here. on day one. And I did not think that I was going to say that coming into this event.

And so very much like a guy who you like a lot, Emil Wagner at Notre Dame, how he was able to stand out at Shrine Bowl during the Shrine Bowl practice with the same thing is showing these flashes of why you covet size and length. I thought crown over looked excellent. So I don't know if you got specifically some eyes on on to watch him, but I thought he was great. Because like you, I was so surprised initially. And when we started the show, I opened up talking about the difference in styles of practices where the national team offensive linemen was just looking to go for the knockout while the American offensive lineman more reacting to a higher level of talented pass rushers and they got beat a couple times because of that. And you brought up,

Crownover has his shortcomings on tape for sure. There's no denying that. But you brought up the arm length, Trevor, 35 and a half inch arms measured in the spring. This dude's got the inspector gadget levers. That's true. And it doesn't matter when guys have that. But but they don't use it. Yesterday it felt like he's like, oh, I have long arms, huge hands. Let me go rock somebody, set the, like dictate the rep and then react to how they react to me. Was the, the Eric Andre show, Hannibal Burris meme where he's just, he's just staring at

his hands. That's kind of like what Demetri's crown over was. Like an awakening. After that first rep where he was able to jolt the defensive lineman with his length. length in his hands. It's like after that rep, he just looks at he's like, the power that I have in these hands. That's kind of how it felt.

The counter of it is during the American practice, I believe, after a rep Ethan Oni Anwa had, I heard, this was on the TV coverage I was watching, I heard this, a coach yelling to him, like have a plan, have a plan. And because Oneon was a guy that, you know, let's not forget, Ohio State went out, spent some money, got him to come to that program.

I was excited about what he could be able to. Yeah, where was he before? He was, where was he before Ohio State? Let me check real quick. Because I remember you, you were excited about him. Yeah. During summer scouting. I can't remember.

And then he didn't win a starting job. No, no, no, no. Rice is where he was. Yes, yes. Didn't win a starting job. Was a disappointment there. And then it's good to see him get the senior ball invite to try to rebuild that stock. Obviously, Ohio State has a lot of talent.

So it doesn't mean it's the end of your football career. But that was like a big juxtaposition of a guy like only, who was in reaction mode where the crown is yours crown over just was like i'm i'm going down with my sword here i'm not i'm not just going get bullied around demetrius draft king's crown over get this guy a partnership last guy oh shout out um keelan rutledge okay from georgia tech i thought that uh he had a really good day as well i didn't think that it was a perfect day. I watched him lose a couple of reps in the one-on-ones, but you talk about somebody who is physical in nature. He is that man in gap scheme power run game type of a player. He wants to

stand out by being aggressive, setting the tone. And there were some there were times, I saw Jordan Reed, who again, great friend of the show from ESPN, he tweeted out that like some of the defensive or the offensive line, was it defensive or offensive line coaches? We're kind of telling him like, hey, ease up a little bit. Like we're still trying to run drill here. But it wasn't it wasn't quite like Trevor Penning levels of playing through the whistle like we saw a couple of years ago, which in my opinion got out of hand for him. He was just trying to set the tone. He was just trying to play with an attitude. He was trying to play aggressive. He was trying to do in the phrase that you said, bring the fight to these defensive linemen.

So it was good to see him be able to stand out with power because that's where he stood out on his tape. And that's where you're going to project him standing out at the next level again for more of a downhill run scheme. of a team that likes to set the tone between the tackles. Good call out. Somebody, I'll definitely keep a closer eye on too. And I like the coaches having to tell them to relax a little bit. Right.

I love the guys that show up in Mobile pissed as hell. Yeah, man. Yeah, every year. Every year somebody shows up and they're pissed as hell. Yeah, they're out of gum to chew and it's time to kill someone. All right, you want to run through. That's the saying, right? I'm out of gum to chew.

It's time to kill someone. That's, you know what? Close enough. Yeah, yeah, close enough. The NFLSC merch. Yeah, I'm out of gum. Time to kill us and one. Actually, we probably shouldn't print those shirts.

No. Not what I'm saying that out loud. Okay, let's run through these super chats before we get out of here and I got to get to that next practice. Yes. He saw her $2 super chat. Connor, what do I get one of those NBC sports hats?

Got to know a guy. Got to know a guy. I know. I actually would love these to be like mass produced. But I. It's a cat. Thank you, sir. But I knew you were going to rock because I saw that you looking good in that hat on NFL

network yesterday. Shout out to you representing. Wait, I was on the NFL network yesterday. Like in between the coverage, they aired you talking about Zion Young. Did they tape that a while ago or something? It was like you remote. What did? I didn't see this. Yeah, well, you were at practice.

When I had the TV coverage on. Was I was in the PFF studios? Or did they cut NFLS eat? Maybe they did. I have not seen the clip. I did the show at Sims yesterday at 2. So I had to DVR the national practice. Okay.

I got home in time for the American practice. I was watching the, which is nice, because you could actually rewind one-on-ones and stuff, even before you get the tape. But at some point of the broadcast, Trevor, like they came back from a commercial break, and they threw to what felt like them, like someone asked you a question.

You were talking about Zion Young. Interesting. And people were in our mentions or comments somewhere. And they're like, great to see Trevor representing. I was like, yeah, that was really cool. Like you had the hat on. You weren't in your home setup. You were clearly on the road like you've been for Shrine and now senior.

I didn't dream about this, right? Okay, okay. What is going on? No, no, no, no, no. Okay, now I understand. I recorded something. Sorry, I recorded something for them. But I had no idea where it was going for.

And in my mind, I thought it was just like, like living on the website somewhere. That's fair. That's a fair take. So now that you are saying that, like now it's like, oh, okay, that is what they use those for. Yeah, it was cool. We have worked with them before, but I've never seen them, like, show up on TV. Nobody's ever, like, pointed those out before to me.

So I always thought they just sort of, like, lived on the NFL.com somewhere. I didn't know that that's what they were using them for. Evan said Trevor is blackout drunk on all of these. I mean, at this point in time, at this point of the week. Well, that was, yeah, that was scary. Anyways, love the hat on TV. I had no idea that's what I was doing. Yeah, it was like really cool.

They cut to it during the broadcast. It was just like, hey, like, can you record these couple of things for us? And I was like, yeah, sure. But again, like, I didn't think that they were for the actual broadcast. So that's pretty cool. That's pretty cool. My pet bearded dragon. Thank you for the $20 super chat.

Subjents, you said you were unfamiliar with declaring from a service academy. It goes like this. The athlete needs permission from the Secretary of Defense. If granted, they will be placed in the reserve. of their branch. So I appreciate this and this is really helpful. I kind of knew that part. The part that Trevor and I are confused on is how they dictate who gets to do that and who doesn't. Like whenever this happens, it always feels like, we'll see. Right? Yeah, yeah. I mean, I do not really understand that process.

Yeah. I understand. I understand what the comment is saying where it's like, okay, the athlete needs permission, but like how they give permission, I think is sometimes. Exactly. Yes. Flay-Bay-5-Supor-Shad. Hey, Connor, which quarterback should the Jets draft? So he could go to the Super Bowl with a different team. This is a great question.

The quarterback most likely to do that is Ty Simpson. Because they can't draft Mendoza. And then say the Jets take Ty Simpson at 16 or 33. The staff gets fired after next year. The new staff drafts a first-round quarterback that they like. Ty Simpson eventually ends up elsewhere and re-habs his career. And congrats. are now my new Sam Darnold.

He's going to go to Super Bowl with the Vikings after that. Awesome. Yeah. No, he's going to go to the Vikings play really well. Then they're going to let him go for an inferior. Right, of course, of course. And then he'll go to a Super Bowl with someone else. Of course.

We are doomed to repeat ourselves. Red, $2 super chat. Ted Hurst is wide receiver three. That's a big take. I don't agree with what you say, sir. No, same. I'll fight to the death. You're right to say it.

I don't have Ted Hurst's wide receiver three. maybe wide receiver three at this event specifically is what this person is referencing because if you've got him above carnell tate and jordan tyson and mckeye lemon i'm just not there but he is a fun contested catch receiver and he had the catch of the day last or yesterday when he had that one handy catch of the end zone start bench cut jordan tyson mckeye lemon ted hers starting dead hurst obviously uh ian pendergrass thank you for the two dollar super chat atlas thank you for the five dollar super chat start bench Cut movie trilogies.

Lord of the Rings, the Dark Night, Pirates of the Caribbean. Oh, man. I mean, I really like Pirates of the Caribbean, but it's the cut. Yeah. Like, I really like it, but it's just not the same, it's not the same classes, the Dark Night and Lord of the Rings. The Pirates movies are an elite Sunday. You just turn on TNT or like whatever, you know, like, what channel it's on.

And you're just, you're like running the last two movies. Like, you catch the second movie just stars. and they're running a marathon all day. Like, it's an elite Sunday afternoon type of a movie trilogy. But it's awesome. I would actually say the dark night is one. I would start the dark night and then bench Lord of the Rings and then cut pirates. I love Lord of the Rings.

I just think that the Dark Night trilogy. I'm starting the Lord of the Rings. I'm going to bench the Dark Night and then I'm going to cut Pirates of the Caribbean. It's a really good. good one. By the way, Barry devoured me for this. I'm not a Star Wars guy. I've seen like one of the movies when I was a kid. Yeah. He thought that was like the most insane thing of all time. That what? I just, like, he thought like everybody has just seen Star Wars. I, I know it's a weird take. And I don't think Star Wars is bad. Have you seen the main six? I haven't seen the, no,

like the trilogy, the main trilogy. No, I just, I just really don't have a lot of interest. And it's not that I don't like movies. I just had Lord of the Rings as a start. Chad, is this worse than me not seeing any Jake Gyllenhaal movie? Because I kind of think that it is. I'm sure it's fine. I'm just not really that interested. I'm not a big Star Wars guy either.

See? But it's a lot of time. It's a lot of time. I've seen the six movies. I've seen one through six. Yeah. Which have you seen? Hold on.

I don't even know. I was a kid and went to the theater. So it had to be like it wasn't the original trilogy. I'm not that old. But I just, I'm just not that. So you, you probably, I bet you've seen one and three. I bet you've watched one and three.

Possibly. Man. Yeah. Look. I don't watch any movies and I've at least seen the six star. Somebody said you haven't seen a movie before 1995 on the last show. Well, so I've seen the three Star Wars. By the way, I had a text when I was, when I was in Snowmageddon and could not,

eventually got to the airport and then went home from the year. airport, couldn't get out of New York, and I made a day after tomorrow reference that Trevor shockingly didn't get another Jake Gyllenhaal movie. Yeah, yeah, wouldn't have gotten it. Would not have gotten it. D. Sawd our thoughts on DJ's Mach 1.0, very interesting stuff. We might do an episode about DJ. That's a good idea. So I don't want to, I don't want to fully, you know, take away from the episode. But there's a lot to dig into with DJ, who we love, who's one of the best in the business, love following all his work. He's fantastic.

That's a good idea. Yeah, Gabe $5 super chat. Let's see. Love the channel, guys. Been watching for about a year now. Shout to Gabe. Appreciate you. Just wanted to get y'all's thoughts on who would fit as Ravens OC.

Kingsbury, Webb, Doyle. I don't think Webb's going to leave Denver now unless it's to be a head coach. No, I don't think so either. I don't know. I'm not really a... Look, I think Kingsbury would be good. Me too. Kingsbury has the floor.

Right. Probably my top answer for them, I guess, would be Kingsbury, just because he has that experience. You know, he did such a great job with Jaden when Jaden was healthy as a rookie last year. And I think that, like, man, I mean, the reasons why Washington wasn't good this year, I don't know how big of a piece of the pie Kingsbury was.

Like, you can point out where Kingsbury wasn't perfect for sure, but I don't like that he, whatever happened where he's no longer the OC in Washington outside of him getting a head coaching job elsewhere. I could have always understood it. It's like, yeah, okay, if he gets poached for a head coaching job, I get it. But I would have liked for him to stay in Washington to work with Jaden Daniels. And I think that he'd do good stuff with Lamar Jackson as well. Yeah, I agree.

Alex, thank you for the $5 super chat. Starbench cut NFL SE memes. So just wings, hell in a cell, which is hell in a cell Thursdays, he could host the pod I'm not I'm not start benching cutting any of these these are these are legendary quotes these are legendary quotes in the show I can't I can't pick between my kids I will I won't bench or cut anyone but I will start hell to sell Thursdays because it's so ridiculous that it's one of the hardest times I've ever laughed on this show it really is unbelievable

hammer $20 your chat we appreciate you hammer um we're a couple players that are likely to go undrafted that will become household names in the NFL bonus question who's your favorite undrafted player of all time? It's a tough one to answer right now because, and I'm sure this is a little bit of the same for you, although I know you're a little ahead of me. Like this is the time of year where I'm watching a lot of now day three guys.

The guys that are most likely going undrafted is really like March and April for me. So that's a tough one to answer right now. Priest Holmes was undrafted. Is that right? Yes. That is wild. Wasn't Kurt Warner technically undrafted?

Kurt Warner was undrafted, yes. I did not know that Priest Holmes was undrafted. I didn't know that either. Wes Welker. Antonio Gates was undrafted? No. Yes. Jason Peters.

That's a classic. Yeah, I was wondering who the Hall of Famers are that were not drafted. Okay. Yeah, Antonio Gates. We should have known this one. John Randall. John Randall is very important. Warren Moon.

Oh, I think, you know what my answer would actually be? Is one of James Harrison or Cam Wake? I think would be my answer. Those are great. Cam Wake's like CFL path is bananas. Yes, yeah. I think that would be my answer to that of like a favorite undrafted free agent because those guys were just so insane once they got into the league.

I mean, Warren Moon, dominating the CFL for five years before getting a shot in the NFL and then going on to be a Hall of Famer is truly remarkable. Aaron Foster's a good one too. Yeah. Aryan Foster's prime coming at the same time of like prime fantasy football was just, I mean, it was it was, it was just beautiful music if you ever drag. drafted him on any fantasy football team because of how dominant he was.

Yeah. I think those would be my answers for it. Yeah, I'm with you. I'm with you. I mean, Warren Moon at 41 years old, threw for almost 3,700 yards and 25 touchdowns. Damn, I didn't realize that. He has one of the craziest football, like, stories ever.

But yeah, there's a lot of good ones. That's a lot of good ones. Greenberg, Brian. Connor. My wife called me a child. for buying a Costco box of uncrustables to prep for the storm. Come to find out she's never had one. How do I proceed?

Divorce. Easy. I was just going to say give her one. No, just get a new wife. You went. We're out. Try again next time. She's never had one.

Bad scouting. It's just give her one. What are you talking about? Did you even interview her at the NFL Conline? Convert. Did you even do a private visit before you got married? Did you watch her run a 40? All prospects meet with all 32 teams.

My ass they do. Clearly not. Nope. This is a $5.00 Super Chat. Sub Bubba Gump shrimps. Oh, man. Specific. Any info that you could share on Mike Mickens,

Raven's new DB coach. Seems highly regarded, but I don't know anything about him. I don't either. The one thing I could say about him is, I believe for the last half decade, he's worked at all these great Notre Dame teams. So that's a promising resume. He's been working with the Notre Dame DBS for the last five years,

2020 and 2025. He was their corners coach for the first three to four years of that. And in the last two years, the D.Bs coach. So that's like, that means something with all the talent they've had and developed. They still recruit really well at a high school in Notre Dame. So they're developing 18-year-olds at the position. So the Ravens, they like guys like that, obviously.

Slaman Sammy $2 super chat. T.J. Parker rising up the draft board's about time. It's true. I mean, we went into the, we went into summer scouting thinking that T.J. Parker was like a top 15 pick. And he really just didn't have nearly as effective or impactful of a year is probably the word that I should say at Clemson this past year as the whole team really didn't. Very evident from day one. Like he belongs here at this event. He is a future NFL or we should continue to talk about him as a first round pick. The power, the violence that he plays with.

It's all there. He didn't have the quickest first step in the world. but dude's an NFL player for sure. So I would agree with this. That's good take. Logan, what's the outlook on Malachi Field? It's already looks solid and may even surprise people as being faster than as advertised. I saw on one of the tape cutups I watched.

He had a really nice catch down the field, which is kind of his like positioning, physicality, going up and winning the football. And he's got some buildup speed at his size. So he might run better than people think, yeah. I agree, man. there. Malachi feels, I think for the most part, I talked about this on the PFF show yesterday. For the most part, he's a little bit of what you see is what you get. He's a bigger wide receiver. He's strong at the catch point. He's going to be a contested catch guy. But then you'll get a rep every now and then where you go, okay, hold on.

I didn't know that you had that in you where, you know, the footwork is just right. He's really able to get off the line of scrimmage cleanly. He can get up into his top speed as a vertical route runner. Like there are times when you go, okay, you've got more in there as an athlete than I thought you did. Maybe you're not just a contested. etch guy. So I think Malachi Fields could absolutely be a back end of day two, like a third round pick type of a wide receiver, especially if it continues to stand out at this event. I'd estimate $5 with Lombardi getting shit canned. Hopefully Webb gets promoted to offense coordinator. Sadiq to the Broncos would actually make me excited. Cidic to the Broncos, I think would fit like a glove for sure. I think no matter who the offense coordinator is given it's going to be Sean Payton's offense. Alex. Oh, Alexa Merling.

79. Bears fan here, really hoping for Lee Hunter. Makes sense. Bring some beef in the middle of that bear's front. I agree. I like it. Jay Berg's $10 Super Chat. Acus and Chase-on on the edge for the Patriots next year would be really nasty with Milton Barmore still on the inside. Love the Illinois basketball shout-out. I agree. That's sort of like a dream set up for me with Gabe Accus and how I think he could be a really good pro. So I agree. I like that spot a good amount.

Maximo Fuentes. Gentlemen, love the content. Any Mississippi state prospects that stand out. I loved Isaac Smith, but he went back to school. He's not in this draft. So he is somebody who I think plays with his hair on fire intensity at all times. He's one of those like safety linebacker can even like rush off the edge type of player. So I really liked him, but I can't think of anybody else from Mississippi State who's in this. Oh, Brennan Thompson, he's the speedster wide receiver, the guy who is a track all star. he might run the fastest 40-yard dash of anybody this entire year at the combine.

So he's the one who stands out to me. That would be my answer to that. Thomas $5 super chat. Trevor, what are your thoughts on Zach Robinson's offensive coordinator for the Buccaneers? I don't mind as long as the chemistry is great with Baker Mayfield, to be honest with you. I think that there were some limitations of maybe what Zach Robinson wanted to do in Atlanta. Like a lot of people talked about like, okay, well, did he want to run as much zone blocking as Atlanta really?

wanted to and it felt like they're my i've heard that maybe there were some differing of philosophical opinions between him and like the run game coordinator and the offensive line coach of what they wanted to do so did he really have ultimate flexibility i don't know there's a lot of talk about um maybe zach robinson not having the full customization of what he wanted even as the offensive coordinator for the falcons but i i think it could be i think it could be all right to be honest with you the buck's offense is going to be fine in my opinion it just comes down to is baker may feel healthy and he's going to be consistent because if he's as inconsistent as what he was,

regardless of whatever plays were called, when the ball was leaving his hands, no offensive coordinator is going to look good. So can he instill that confidence in Baker Mayfield to look a lot closer to the first half of the season or the first quarter of the season than what we got for the rest of the season? I think that that's all that matters.

But I actually, I mean, I do think that Zach Robinson could work out for the bucks. I really do. JT. Gaming literally couldn't get through med school without this show to watch while doing flashcards. Oh, also bear down. There it is. well, happy to be here for it.

That means you got through med school. Congrats. Yeah, congrats. Kyle, $5.00 Super Chat. How do you guys feel about defense attack of Lee Hunter? Is he a first rounder? I think he's showcasing the ability to potentially be a first rounder, especially in this class.

So absolutely, you know, talk about DJ's mock draft. One of the picks that he had was Lee Hunter in the first round. Is that right? Yeah. So I think that I do think that it's within the realm of possibility. I was more of a like early day two type of guy on the hunter. But so, so, okay, we see him eyed out. But in this class,

the back end of round one is really weird in this class. It opens up. TebSauce. At 17, is there better value for the lines to draft edge or offensive line? Edge, for sure. You think?

Yeah. Because they're looking more in the guard realm, no? Oh, no, not necessarily. Well, but you know what I'm saying? A lot of the edge rusher is like David Bailey, Ruben Bain, Arvill Reese, if you consider him, that, like those guys are going to be gone by 17. At 17, you're kind of thinking about

Falk. Falk. He's best. Or maybe. Maybe. But at offensive line, you might still, I mean, you might have, what did you say? T.J. Parker at 17 is not crazy. Yeah, okay, Parker. I'll throw his name in there as well. But at offensive line, I mean, Caden Proctor might still be there. They go on. I might still be there. That's true. Low mood might still be there. You know, so I I think it's at least a good question. It is a good question. Yeah. As we ran through it, it got more difficult than I expected.

I might say O-line, depending on how, because I just think edge rushers are going to go pretty quick. So, we'll see. Short round, $5 super chat, start bench cut, NFL draft, military draft, or drafting an open window on a core, or a draft from an open window on a warm, clear evening. Also, thoughts about Bryce Lance round one.

I'm not there with Bryce Lance on round one, But I do think that he could be a nice mid-round wide receiver. It feels like he's more of a mid-round type of a fringe top 100 player than a round-one type of a player, the wide receiver from North Dakota State University, who is Trey Lance's brother, by the way. I'm starting the NFL draft. I think I have to.

Oh, you're actually answering this. Yeah. And then I'm benching a draft from an open window on a warm, clear evening. And then for Trinidad, Chambliss's sake, I'm benching the military draft. so he doesn't get drafted. Yep, easy to agree with that order. Ty Kendall, thank you for the $10 super chat. If you were the Rams of the Bucks, a team with the starter,

but uncertain quarterback future, would you rather grab a Simpson or get a Levis Richardson or Zach Wilson, someone you hope could be a Darnold or Baker? Simpson. Yeah, I don't have a lot of faith, unfortunately, in Levis, Richardson, or Zach Wilson. I worry about how those guys see the game, to be honest with you. And I think Simpson's shows a lot of good,

baseline for seeing the game the right way. I just think he's got to get more snaps. He's got to get more reps. Jonas $5 super chat. Thoughts on Bill Snub. Should we even do you find? Yeah, we went through that one. So hopefully you got the answer there.

Cam LaPointe. Thank you. Say the lines take tackle round one. Should they take DeAngelo Pons or Ramello Heights? Ponds. That's like the second round pick. I'm assuming is the question. Yeah, I don't because of his size,

I don't think Ramello Hyde is going in the first two rounds. No, I don't think so either. Borson $5 Super Chat. Thoughts on T.J. Parker at 10, if Downs, Woods, and Bain are off the board. It seems like Woods is going to still be on the board. I think there's a lot more. And you were getting more towards a Woods mid back end of the first round type of a projection here with Peter Woods rather than top 10 like we've been seeing lately. I wouldn't hate, because this is for the Bengals.

This is for the Bengals at 10. I mean, I wouldn't hate T.J. Parker. I think that T.J. Parker would become the best edge rusher on the team. So with, well, depending on what happens with Tray Henderson, I suppose. But like if it's not Bain or Bailey, if I'm the Bengals, I'm almost like, yeah, I'm trading down. Like if Bain, Bailey, downs, those guys are all off the board. I think I'm trading down. If someone wants your pick.

Right, right. I think I'm trying to trade down. Abbott. Connor, can you confirm that the Jets reached out to Belichick to be assisted the special teams coach under Aaron Glenn? and most relived man in America, Lance Newmark. Yeah, they didn't do that. It's obviously a joke, but my goodness, is the Jets coaching search, an absolute traveling circus.

Ty, $5 super chat. Would you rather cut the grass in 100 degree heat or shovel snow when it's zero degrees as somebody who has cut the grass in 100 degree heat in July and August in Florida, working for my dad's landscaping company, and as somebody who has never shoveled snow, not one day in his life, not ever,

you better believe I'm going to cut the grass in a 100 degree heat. You are a wise man. Somebody that lives in a climate where you get to do both. I bought a snowblower last week. Nice. Hey, you know what? It's awesome. It's awesome.

I bet it is. But being in this level of cold still sucks. I don't mind cutting the grass in any level of heat. Like, as long as I have, headphones on and a Gatorade or beer. What you were doing is much more grueling compared to me just doing my own front and backyard. But being out the zero degrees, bundled up,

it just sucks, man. I hate the cold. It sucks. I'm a warm-blooded for Leridian. I hate the crew. True and through. You are Tampa Bay Trey. That's true.

That's true. They've tried to get me to change my Twitter handle. I won't do it. Shoveling tray. Hibrassey, thank you for the $10 super chat. Just because my boy, Garrett, is here. I must remind you that Jalen Hurts is trash. Remember that time he played football and was ass?

Oh, wait, that's every time he takes the field, smores are garbage. He said, remember that time he played football and was ass. Man, you got to at least give him the Super Bowl to an extent. I know, man. And Jalen also played unbelievable in the previous Super Bowl that they lost. He was better in that Super Bowl. I know. He was great in that Super Bowl. Look, I'm not going to say that Jalen Hertz's ass. I think that there is, it is interesting the fact that the Eagles cannot find an offensive coordinator to work with Sirian.

Yeah. Jalen Hertz. I will say that there is some smoke to the fire there. I'm not going to say that that just doesn't exist at all whatsoever. I feel like Jalen's a little bit more limiting than what some people have talked about of him over the last two years. I don't think he's complete ass. But like I said, it is very interesting that the Eagles are striking out at offensive coordinator when they were just coming off of the Super Bowl and a lot of this team is still there.

Yep. So very interesting. Brassy also went on to add another $5 super chat, saying how much he hates Jalen Hertz. He's disgusting and watch. It's not even funny. NBC is greater than CBS. CBS is greater than Fox.

Fox is greater than Amazon. Thank you. For my boss, I completely agree. Yeah, yeah. NBC is, NBC's great. Yeah. For my boss and my co-host. Your boss.

All your world. Let's go back to Big Channel 4. That's true. It's true. Scruff, $5 Super Chat. Do you think the Bears look at CJ Allen, if he's there at 25 as a possible Trameen replacement, it's a sin to not go defensive line for them, but CJ is electric.

I think you'd be on the board for them, but I think they will have the opportunity to potentially pick one of those edge rushers that they like. I think it all kind of depends on. You know, you guys were talking, I was talking about Romero Height and on Austin Booker. Some Bears fans were like, hey, we're kind of happy with where Austin Booker is going. If the Bears are as well, maybe they do feel like they go linebacker if they like C.J. Allen a lot. So I think it's a possibility, although I do agree with you.

I think D-Line is much more likely. Grant asked, do you think that Todd Munkin-hire helps Shador Sanders? I like Todd Munkin a lot. I agree. Yeah. I don't know how much they are totally invested in a fifth round pro bowler. as their future of the franchise. Yeah, as their future of the franchise.

But if Shadur is all the way bought in and Munkin's all the way bought into him, Munkin, Munkin helps quarterbacks, man. Like, there's no denying this. I agree. I think a lot of, I think a lot of the immediate reaction that is negative around Todd Munkin getting the job in Cleveland comes from people that don't really know Todd Munkin's full resume. Like, I understand it was frustrating this year for the Ravens overall.

There's the game where he didn't get. Derek Henry the ball when he should have. But like, Munkins also kind of like come out and talked about that. And look at Munkin's entire resume over the last genuinely like 15 years. And a head coach college? Everywhere he's been. Right. He's been a fantastic offensive mind. So I, I'm excited. I'm very excited to see Todd Munkin finally get his shot as a head coach. Shout out one of the legends of Fix your franchise over the last couple of years

because we've been trying to give him, get him a head coaching job over the last few years. $25 super chat. Hey guys, a little late tuning in. Busy season has begun. Which would be worse for the rest of the NFL? The Chief's getting love or Bain? I actually think it's the Chief's getting love. Yeah, I think so too.

I think it's them getting Jeremiah love over Ruben Bain. And I love Ruben Bain. I think Ruben Bain would be great in Spag's defense, but I actually think that it's Jeremy. If they develop a lethal breakaway run game, that's going to be a problem. Perp, $5 super chat. What's up, boys?

Topical weather-based hypothetical. What does a contract look like for the anti-Tua, a quarterback who can only win in snowy conditions? That's a CFL quarterback. Right. Chris Trevler. Ah, the leg. Hibrasi is back again. Start bench cut.

Jalen Hertz should be cut and barred from the league. Carnell Tate is soft, an alligator arm balls in the Miami game. He's getting a lot of anger out. I think it was, somebody, was it, was it Brassy who was in here before? Maybe it was the PFF show talking about Carnell Tate being soft. Somebody was talking about Carnell Tate being soft. And I'm like, what? I do not see soft.

I don't think so either. I like Carnell Tate quite a bit. Yeah, that's, I'm not in on that. Slam and Sammy, $2 super chat. Wouldn't be surprised that David Bailey is a bust. All right. I like David Bailey a lot. I know you do.

It's hard to be a bust when you have that elite of a trait. Like, is there a world where he's not a three-down defensive lineman? Sure. But, like, it's hard to not think that this guy doesn't have like eight to ten sack potential for you at least every single year, given the fact that he gets off the ball like a bad out of hell. Stephen, what's up, not so jumbo shrimps? Thoughts on the Monk and hire. Also, as a Falcons fan at UNC, Belichick has done.

nothing but ruined my life. That's actually really funny. That is tough. Yeah, we talk about the Monk and hire. We both like it. I'm excited for him to get his shot there. Dust, $5 super chat of all the head coaches that got hired so far, which one did you guys like and which ones,

how do you scratch in your heads at? Jesse Minter to Baltimore. Loved it. Like, it's easy to say Harbaugh, and I, but like. I mean, I like Stefansky in Atlanta, too. Me too. I think Jesse Miner's going to be a stud in Baltimore. I agree.

I really agree. I think he's going to be fantastic. Youcon Jet, $2.00 Super Chat. When's the first center come off the board? Connor Lou on day two? Second round, I would say. Like late second round, probably what I would say there. Wiscoe, thanks again.

Mr. Moneybags. Do we think incorrectly in draft about defensive line slash edge versus secondary as metrics are more stable for the defensive line versus secondary. So with even greater players, would it make more sense to draft the defensive linemen as more likely to get a better player? Well, it depends philosophically what your defense is built upon.

But the overall premise, I agree with. I am a believer of building up front first. For sure. And this is sort of like a great debate that people have had of, you know, what matters more pass-fisher, past coverage. And there are times when sometimes PFFs like wins above average metric will tell you that like having a shutdown, lock down corner is actually more valuable for you.

And so I think that when it comes to value, if you have a true shutdown outside pressman coverage corner, I think that player could mean as much, maybe even more than a good pass rusher on your team because of what they can do for you and how aggressively you could play basically everywhere else. So that's why like Jermon McCoy from Tennessee, we talk about him so highly,

even with him coming off of the ACL injury, because you can line him up on the outside against the team's number one wide receiver and say, don't let him catch the ball. And he goes, okay. And like having players like that, like they're even really good off coverage zone corners like we talked about Chris Johnson, but they're even a little bit limited because they're a little bit scheme dependent and chemistry dependent with the rest of the guys that are around them.

Jamal McCoy, I mean, he could be a one man shut down machine. So like that carries a ton of value. But I do see what Wiscoe's talking about is like you are more likely to hit a consistent defensive lineman at a still premium position than you are to get a corner. So I can I can understand sort of where you're at with that. Derek, $20 super chat. We appreciate you, Derek. Thank you. Connor, I don't know if you saw,

but the Jets hired Brian Dunker as defense coordinator. So when AGI gets fired off next season, do you think that the next head coach will get the Jets to the playoffs by 2030? Or are we going to hit the 20-year mark for not getting to the playoffs? So that gives them five years to make the playoffs? Yes.

It's hard. come on man I'm going to I'm saying it on this show the Jets are making the playoffs within the next five years I would take that to against the other option

but I cannot believe we're discussing are they going to make it to the 20 like thinking about 20 years of my life going by without the Jets and the playoffs is yeah I'll agree and I'm on the pessimistic side

of all things Jets over the last year or so but I think they'll make the playoffs in the next five years. Jonathan. Yeah, this is Jonathan, $20 super chat. Thoughts of the commanders hiring Vikings DB coach, Durante Jones as their new defense coordinator. What player in the draft do you think matches well with the scheme?

Like a Tori in York from Texas, A&M, potentially in the third round? I don't know. I don't know. I wish I had better insight on this. Honestly, guys, like we have been watching so much tape for this show, or at least I've been watching just so much tape for this show over the last couple of weeks, I haven't really been able to follow along with the position coaches

that are becoming defensive coordinators yet. Like when we do, when we do team specific mock drafts over the next two months, we will have a better feel and answer because we'll do a lot more research on stuff like that. But I wish I had a better answer. I do not know what scheme they're exactly going to run. I don't know if it's exactly going to be like Floreses

or it's going to be very, you know, it's just like an amoeba front with it. with the guys of the linebacker and the defensive line level and there's all sort of mug looks like if they're going to run that same thing, sure, you know, maybe a guy like Toy and York could fit for them, but I'm not exactly sure what the defense can look like for him.

Yeah, his last experience being at DC was at LSU where you have to wonder how much control that he have there. So we'll dive into that stuff further. She's aficionado. Thank you for the $5 super chat. Chad the Steelers fan. I flew in last night. I'll be at practice today.

I'll see you there, Trev. Oh, Chad. JT Gaming again. What's on the evil or wheel? chef 33% Green Bay, 2007 mock drafts, 33% evilist wheel, and 33% special teams player fits for each team also still in school. Yeah. You get to the finish line, JT.

Connor, I don't know if you caught this on the evil wheel, but one of the spaces was that we have to do a special teams episode. Which the world has been clamoring for. I'm not going to lie, I have finally made a tab on my positional ranking. Oh, look at you. That says returners, not special teams. just returners because I always mark them in my full sheet with all the players but like I'm actually going to try to rank returners this year.

We'll see how it goes. It's a weird exercise. Brandon, $10 Super Chat. Imagine being a PA fan and crashing out over Jalen Hertz as your quarterback. Went four hours west from Philly. There's a team starting a 100 year old quarterback who's currently on a darkness retreat. That's a good point. Good fair.

Last one from Preston. Yep. can you all give a preview of some of the guest mock drafts you're going to have? Need to see the bootleg guys, Marcus, and Bengal all back. Yes. So we can't give away too much, but we have got more than just a guest mock draft series. Yes. With the bootleg guys that we will be announcing at some point once the ink fully dries on that plan there.

But we're doing even more content with the bootleg guys because you guys have enjoyed those collabs so much. And then for the mock draft series, we would love to get, we just haven't been able to link up with Bengal over the last year as much as we have wanted to, but we love going on his channel. We love having him on ours. And so we will obviously try to get him back. Marcus is the same way. And we're putting some lines in the water. I can't say anything yet just because it's like it's not official. I don't want to get your guys as hopes up. But we got some, we got some lines in the water to make the Colab mock draft series even better this year. As, oh, I missed it. Hold on. Hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. Noah Foxy said,

Nate and Charles again, please. That was a lot of fun. That was a lot of fun. Yes. Those guys are great. We have so much enjoyed everybody who has been on this channel for the guest mock draft series because you guys make it a lot of fun. Shout it to you guys for watching this one on a Wednesday early afternoon. Different time with the senior bowl going on. So we appreciate you guys working with us. If you're not in the NFL-S-E Discord, please get in on it. Give you a chance to win one of these NFLS-E hats if you were in there.

And it's just a lot of fun. It's a lot of fun to talk prospects and talk shop with a lot of the addicts there. You can follow the show on Twitter, on Instagram, on TikTok. and the chef, our producer is firing off all sorts of shorts and practice clips and analysis and things like that on all those platforms at NFLLSC show. Connor is at Connor J. Rogers. I'm at Tampa Bay, Trey. Connor, you got anything else before you get to here, my man.

No, man. I know you got to get to practice. Have a great time. I'll continue grinding in the tape from home. We are going to do a one-round mock draft Friday early as we can, I believe. It might be expanding. Okay. We're going to do something. Yeah, we might be expanded.

Before I leave for Super Bowl this weekend. Yes. We will do something. When do you leave for Super Bowl? Well, fun. Another snowstorm is coming. Oh, good. Good. I don't leave Sunday. I'm either going to have to decide to leave earlier, which I should have done for Mobile or later.

But that's not really possible. Like there's a lot going on starting Monday. So I don't know. I don't know. I love this. I can't wait to sit at the airport all the time again. And then go home with my tail between my legs. That's why I'd rather cut the grass in 100 degree weather, folks.

Yep, nailed it. Because travel is a lot easier, even if you're sweating a little bit more. Appreciate you guys. Love you guys. We will see you on Friday for the post-senior bowl mock draft for the chef Tyler Cook for Connor Rogers. I'm Trevor Sycambe. We'll see you guys have.