NFL Stock Exchange: An NFL Draft Podcast - Stock Up, Stock Down: Who is QB 1? Who will be in the 2026 Draft? + Prospects we love

Episode Date: November 27, 2025

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Welcome to the opening bell the NFL Stock Exchange podcast. Trevor Sikkim. It's Connor Rogers. Two members of the Legion of Boom. That's right. Here in the football industry. Appreciate you guys tuning in a day before Thanksgiving.

Well, if you're listening to this live, I appreciate you tuning in a day before Thanksgiving. If you didn't listen to it before Thanksgiving, we don't appreciate you at all. Just kidding, we love you guys. We're here for another Stockwatch episode. Haven't had one of these in a hot minute, Connor. Almost the month. I think basically what I did for all the quarterbacks I watched,

I watched their last three games because we haven't talked about them since at least three games. Right. So it was very, very interesting process. And yeah, much needed for sure. We love fix your franchise, pimp your franchise. It's a ton of fun. but I was like, man, we've kind of fall, like we've fallen behind some current conversations around the actual draft. We have. It was time to get caught up on a lot of that stuff.

We appreciate you guys riding with us as our schedules have changed a little bit. We've had some shows that have been a little bit more condensed this week. And we've had some things we had to do this while are 15 minutes late. So you guys are actually correct in the chat this time yelling at us. We've been known. We're late. Greater Center said, I blame big tucks for the delay. That is, you know what?

You can absolutely put it on Big Tux. We had another one. Hold on. Hold on. Let me see in the chat. Hold on. Trevor was being held at gunpoint by Big Soap. Big Soap also catching you're on your ass. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Garrett's already in the chat saying that I was late because I was washing my hands. Correct. Squeaky clean, folks.

There you go. We're being the-shiny ring. Nicely done. We're beating the allegations. I'm excited to dig into this, man. This is probably the longest in season that we've gone between. Stockwatch episodes, especially for the quarterback conversation. You mentioned we got a handful of games now that we actually have some meaningful things

to talk about quarterbacks who are playing well, some of the guys that aren't some of the things that they're doing well, some of the things that are not. And dude, we got one more week of the college football regular season. It's over. It's never been more over. It's so done. My last two shows are Friday, Indiana, Purdue.

And Saturday. Yeah, we have a Black Friday game. And Saturday we have UCLA, USC. And NBC doesn't have the Big Ten championship or bowl games. So it's never been more over. Wait a second. What game do you have for Black Friday? Indiana, Purdue.

Oh, that's on Friday, too? Yeah. Yeah, 7.30. Dude, Friday's way more loaded than I thought. Friday is almost overwhelming because- The Egg Bowl's at noon. You have the Egg Bowl at New. You have an NFL game at three, like a big NFL game.

And then Landoz is going to announce where he's going that afternoon. There's a ton of great hockey on Black Friday every year day hockey, not night hockey, day hockey. And then Mendoza plays Friday night on NBC. It's crazy. And a lot of good basketball at night. It's a overwhelming sports day, Black Friday. I kind of love it. I do too.

We're leaning so much into Black Friday as like a big sports day. It's kind of quietly become a holiday. Oh, dude. Yeah, loudly now. Yeah, it's, it has done a really good job of just morphing into a lazy cleanup. Because nobody goes out for Black Friday anymore. Thank goodness. That was a horrific trend that needed to end.

wait people go out for black friday when they used to shop oh oh you're saying it's the whole point that's why it's called black friday when you say go out i think that you mean like out at the bar enjoy no one too many adult beverages that's what that's what i think that you say when you when you say that phrase dude because i was about to you you know uh what do they call it uh what's the what's the wednesday what's the wednesday celebration right before Thanksgiving. It's like, Oh, no, no, no, no, no.

It's got a name. That's what I've called it. It's not like Blackout Wednesday. I can't remember what it is. But essentially, everybody, you know, we don't do this anymore. I feel like, I feel like Google says Blackout Wednesday. Okay, it's Blackout Wednesday.

I don't do this anymore. I feel like the Spider-Man meme where they're like, hey, what about Blackout Wednesday? It's like, Trevor, you're 34. You know, it's like. Yeah. When we were, when we were in our younger years, when you're in college, it's when everybody comes home for the holidays, obviously,

and you haven't seen everybody since the summer. And so, like, you all go out the day before Thanksgiving. And then obviously Thanksgiving, you're indulging in so much food. You can, you know, sometimes cure the, uh, the next day. The next day sickness, I will say. Yeah. Thanksgiving hangovers in your early 20s are colossal. The Godzilla, the Godzilla of being hung over.

There is. There is few that have conquered that. By the way, Sean Mafia in the chat says Connor L. Black Friday chaos was electric. I get it. Some people really like the chaos of the shopping. My PTSD is one year in college, I worked in retail on Black Friday. Oh, who? You had a choice that you either, there's only two shifts because the shifts were as long as possible.

You either did the open at four or five a.m., whatever. it was or you did the clothes which i think was noon to close i took the clothes because i'd go home from college i wasn't going staying at college on thanksgiving but you had to work the shift and i went to school in new york so i could get back to school i just had to drive two hours so i was like i'll take the clothes whatever like in you're in college and you don't like getting up really the the anarchy that i do the the destruction of the store which i will not name was unlike anything i had ever seen i felt like i rebuilt a city in 10 hours with the destruction i walked into to close this store on black friday so that's why i hate what black

Friday used to be. I crawled to a ball in the back. That's fair. That part is fair. A lot better to be, a lot better to be called to covering Mendoza on Black Friday. Yeah, life's really good now. Then closing a store on Black Friday.

By the way, so what in the chat saying, Trevor's 34, nearly old enough to play for the commanders. It's true. Oh, wow. Yeah, that is the threshold. It's true.

I'm joining a Legion of whom. That's what I'm doing. Starting safety. Legion of whom? Legion of whom. Got a couple of super chats here to start at the show before we start to dig in in these quarterback prospects. Dylan's actually, the first one, $5 super chat,

we appreciate you, Dylan. Hard to think Dante Moore stays with the way that he's playing. Thoughts, go ducks, love you, fellas. What do we say Monday? We're actually going to get into that very quickly here. We said the winds are starting to blow in a different direction. They are. It's true.

Slentai. Thank you for the $20 super chat. Very generous during the holidays. Nademe Tucker, great sleeper at edge. I'll have to watch them. Also, I need the Bengals to be pimped. Otherwise, I will put crust on the uncrustable. That's a good threat. Love you guys. I surrender. We will pimp the Bengals next week. Or else big crust is going to take over. They're going to get back on to the scene. Imagine being the guy that invented the crust and everybody is just

like scorned. Well, I've seen, I've seen one of those, you know, like the meme pages on Instagram that'll post like the like worst buy or whatever. And it's just, like oops it's just crust and it's like not the not the whole sandwich is literally just they're just selling the crust it's like cardboard uh $20 from silver hammer brew I was getting my morning coffee at the truck stop yesterday and after paying I told the cashier quote have a good one he replied quote have a better one wow not to be one up I hit him with that quote thanks kiddo alpha move the testosterone in that interaction would not pass a drug test

Have a good one Have a better one Yeah I'd immediately like You go into like the fight adrenaline just immediately kicks up If somebody does that Like oh you want to happen You want me

You want me to have a better one? Yeah Listen here kiddo Yeah right That's that's the only reaction That you could have there Andrew Magnuson Friend of the show

Yes Thank you for the super chat Choose your fighter Over the cap or Spotrack I'm an over the cap guy. Same. It's almost nostalgic. I like that they refuse to update the website.

It looks like it was made in 2004, and I like that. Yeah, I'm an over to the cap guy. It's a simple structure, and it's really great. And Jason that runs it, he's been on Badlands plenty of times. Great dude. So yeah, over the cap for sure. Here we go. This is what the people actually tuned in to the chat for.

Matt, $5 super chat. Love you, Matt. Appreciate it. Happy Thanksgiving. Giving. what dishes are the two of you making yourselves this year? Are you making a dish this year? Yeah, so we hosted last year,

so that was the second hell right below closing a Black Friday store. When my family called us this year and said, oh, yeah, is it Thanksgiving your holiday now? I said absolutely not, lose my number. So, all right, dad, I'll talk you later. I was actually just assisting, like when I say assisting, really just doing the most, you know, basic stuff. Kristen was making the mac and cheese that we are bringing.

And this is a, it's a top shelf mac and cheese. She made, she made that, which I helped with. And then when I was at work today, she made, you ever have a pumpkin square? No. Picture like a brownie. Okay. That's, that's where my mind went.

This is where my mind went. The cake is like more pumpkin style cake with a, this is this icing over it that I can't even describe. I think it's the most underrated dessert of all time. So those are two of the things that we're bringing. I'm not a big pumpkin guy. Neither am I, but this, you don't have to like pumpkin to like these. It's not, I can't explain it, but it's not very pumpkin-y.

I don't know if we're making a dish this year because we're on the road and we're flying back home tomorrow. So we don't have a lot of like prep time. But my father-in-law ordered enough food to feed thousands, truly, thousands. The city of Charlotte. Yeah, truly. And there are six people. Oh, my God. He's, he's filling your truck.

He loves to, I love him so much. He loves to host, like he loves to be, like, he just, it's what he loves to do, and he's breaking it all out. We're getting smoked wings. We're getting smoked ribs. We're throwing tenderloin on the grill. He's got obviously like mac and cheese. He's got like all those kinds of sides, like everything like that. I think he already has like an apple pie that he pre-bought all this kind of stuff. So we're like, all right, buddy, I'll probably, if we end up cooking the tenderloid, because we actually told him, we were like, dude,

we probably don't even need the tender. No. But he's like, nah, I bought it. We're doing it. So if we're doing that, I'm probably helping him with tenderloin because I I made a big beef tenderloin for the first time this summer for my family and I kind of had no idea what I was doing and I was winging it which is you know some red meat grill knowledge that I had previously you know just from years of steak and burgers things like that and uh I'm not going to brag but I nailed it and so I got I'm I'm overly confident that I could once again do that so if we're if I'm making a dish it's probably handling the grill there I love that I love that you guys are just

having all of your favorite things rather than running the same monotonous playbook of Thanksgiving. 100%. You're like smoked wings. Just just wings. Just just wings. Jeff, Jeff gets the joke. Thank you. Man, that's amazing.

I'm jealous. That sounds awesome. Are you, because I want to start a war in the chat. Are you a turkey guy? Yeah. Listen, Turkey is not a upper tier meat. Turkey or ham. Oh.

When done right, ham is better. That's the wrong answer. But that's the wrong answer. But turkey has a higher ceiling. I think ham's a bottom tier meat. They both are. That's the secret of Thanksgiving.

They're both lower tier meats. That's a great point. You know what? Rib eye or prime rib, don't care. Right. Like, what do we do that? Just do that. No steak.

There's no family member of. stake in this combo then they're not an upper tier meat sorry listen listen look at these people in the chat there's a reason that queen is in steak okay the lord knew what he was doing brother hold on i can tell you this before we actually talk about quarterbacks so my buddy oh i have i have a group chat of just you know friends i went to college with we all think that we're meatheads and it's basically it's just like the lifting chat that we so he was like yeah like i don't really i mean he was he was doing like 10 to 15 milligrams of creatine a day and uh or milligrams grams can't remember what it is um three scoops whatever

yeah and he was like heavy heavy dosage here and i was like yeah well if i just eat enough steak i don't have to i don't have to do that anymore it's not possible and and my friend was like it's not possible my friend did the math of the ounces of steak you'd have to eat yeah it's insane to get that much creatine and he's like you'd have gout all your primary care doctor right now and just let him know that your cholesterol is in an all-time skyrocket high if you want me to i could just do that ahead for you he'd absolutely have gout in within two weeks that's unreal the king's disease that's right that's why they call it that uh gigantor yes having to decide between the nfl

sc and watching my pistons trying to win 14 in a row might just ruin my holiday weekend happy thanksgiving squirts uh thanks pal yeah it's listen you can do both that's the beauty of the digital streaming world we're in yeah appreciate it champ all right okay let's talk about the first quarterback who do you want to talk about here for stock up let's kick things you know let's play that normal conversation whatever you want to do Yeah, as we always do on Stockup, we kick off with a quarterback combo and then we'll move up to some move over to stock up players and a new name. I mean, let's play the hits here. Fernando Mendoza, who I want to start with.

All right. Man, I just have to dress something off the top. And this is maybe too deep rooted in Jets world. I, like people think I hate Fernando Mendoza and I don't even know how this happened. Yeah, you do. You told me. This is the classic, we always joke about this. If a guy's not in your top five.

then everybody thinks you think he's a UDFA. There's no other slot in the track. 100%. 100%. So Mendoza, who I thought was kind of a day two prospect coming into the season, has really, really truly improved his stock. He's done a lot of really great things for Indiana and grown his game. And I watched his last three games for this show because we haven't done a stock watch in a while.

And you kind of got to see a little bit of everything, even without having huge passing numbers, 2112 passing yards against Maryland, touchdown one pick, 218 passing yards against Penn State, one touchdown, one pick. Of course, the touchdown was the game winner. And then 299 passing yards with four touchdowns and no picks against Wisconsin, who they really beat up. To me, this is someone that from the infrastructure he's in, he's really, I love the confidence he has in his arm. Like, this is a developed competence. He really believes in his ability to make throws, even in tighter windows.

and it gets him in trouble. There's times where he tries to squeeze a throw or he tries to push a throw and he'll throw an interception. There's no denying that. But I'd rather him play that way than, and I know the graphics says one interception there, he's thrown more than,

he's thrown a couple of picks this year, just for everybody watching at home. But he's somebody that when he's given time in the pocket, he can really, especially the way they built the team, he could challenge you outside the numbers and give his playmakers a, a real chance to just win the football. And I think that he's a player that does do full field reads.

He works through full progressions. He'll go back to a read after looking it off. He tries to use eye manipulation. He's really doing a lot of good things this year. I thought against Penn State, the touchdown run he had to me was such a sign of, this isn't a dynamic athlete. He's in any way, but he's a high IQ runner. he saw man coverage against Penn State on that play

and there was no hesitation to just take off and run and score the touchdown. So I think he's really developed an understanding of how to get free yards with his legs. My favorite throw in that Penn State game was actually, at least in the first half, was one he didn't complete. It was in the second quarter, he threw a slot fade and he just showed the perfect amount of touch under the ball.

And, you know, Mendoza, like one of his real calling cards is he has good velocity with his arm strength. But unlike a lot of these young quarterbacks, and we're seeing this with JJ McCarthy even in the NFL right now, he does throw a touch. He understands how to be a touch thrower.

So that's a big calling card for him. I think his biggest weakness in his game right now, and this kind of goes back to sometimes what's a strength, he straddles the line of being a fearless pocket passer and verse being reckless against presser. Like there's times where he hangs in there and he makes a throw and he gets the snot knocked out of him and I'm like, damn, like that's a pro play right there. Then there's a lot of times because he takes a lot of sacks where he's just, he's got to get rid of the ball. And he's even looking at where he wants to throw, but he'll kind of want a little bit more and then he'll get sacked.

So that's something that I really want to see him continue. I think it's better than last year. He took 40 sacks at Cal last year. I think the offense under Signetti has limited that in a certain way, but there's still times like the last drive against Penn State, he takes a bad sack to start the drive, but he just throws his way out of it. That's what's so impressive. He's, he'll put them in a down and long situation because of a bad sack, and then he'll complete a 20-yarder layer to throw, and you're like, damn, he took a bad sack, but he made up for it. So I thought against Wisconsin, he threw more anticipation throws. I'll tell you right now, he's not the same athlete as this guy, but as a passer, he reminds me of

the Colts version of Daniel Jones. He really does. Like, he's the same kind of deep thrower with touch under the ball. If given time in the pocket, he's, he's intelligent. He can work through his reads. He'll take some of those crazy chances still and throw some interceptions. And I know he gets a lot of golf comparisons. And I think the goth trade is like when he's moved off the spot, the arm strength and accuracy is not the same when he's in the pocket. He'll make some nice throws on the run, but you could see the difference. Yeah. I don't have an exact comp for Mendoza

yet, but that's what stood out to me. And Daniel Jones has come a long way this year with the Colts. So it's a compliment. It's not an insult. But yeah, it's been things are going in the right direction for Fernando Mendoza right now, Trevor. Yeah, I mean, Akira in the chat is saying Mendoza is Jared Gough 2.0, which doesn't excite people, but it's a good QB. And I think that there's,

there's a lot of people who would kind of agree with that. I think that they're stylistically, the way that they throw the ball is very similar. Like, I kind of think their body types are a little bit similar. That's why it's easy for people to sort of picture those two. I think their games are somewhat similar. I don't know if I'm going to end up having the Jared Gough comp officially for Mendoza, but there are certainly elements of that that are in there. So I don't, I don't totally hate that comp.

I don't know if it's exactly what I'm going to settle on. But I don't hate it. And I think that it's important to remember that, like, if we're talking about Jared Gough like yeah you can nitpick Jared Gough but at the same time like he very clearly a good quarterback yeah right I mean is he is he a great quarterback that's going to you know be a individual difference maker when it comes to winning a Super Bowl like you get when the rest of the team around him crumbles is he going to be able to pick them up when it comes to beating the best teams and all that like I think that it's probably a long shot for that to be the case but you're

seeing him in good systems play really well and I think that there's a place for quarterbacks like that in the league I think that some people look at quarterbacks and just go, well, if you're not tier one, you're kind of pointless. And I just, I don't totally agree with that. I really don't. And I think that this quarterback class specifically is going to require people to have a little bit of a different view. Now, I'm not telling you to make excuses for these guys. If you don't like them, you don't like them. You don't like them. And that's totally fine. Right. But I just don't want to hear anybody be like, oh, like Mendoza is like terrible.

He's not going to make it. Oh, Ty Simpson. He's bad under pressure right now. So he's terrible. He's never going to make it. If you recognize the things that they do well and what they don't, I think that we could have a fair conversation in full context about whether or not you would take a player like that in the top 10 or even this year compared to next year. But that's sort of the conversation with Mendoza. And that's the conversation with a lot of other quarterbacks. And I can bring up Ty Simpson next because I wanted to watch Ty Simpson because there were two games back to back where he didn't play, he didn't play extremely well against both of them. But he did play pretty well against one of them, the LSU game and then the Oklahoma game. I thought he played really nice against LSU.

I thought he continued to show, you know, the layered throws, the touch throws. There was a, there was an out and up route to their tight end, Josh Chavez, where it was just, I mean, you can't, you can't hand them the football better 40 yards down the field than what he was able to just pop pass right over the defense straight into the bread basket. I mean, that's the stuff that you love from him. I love the fact that Simpson can throw a fastball one play and he can throw a change up the next. I love the fact that when Alabama gives him these layered concepts and these layered progressions of the timing of like, okay, if I'm hitting this guy quick, I'm hitting him within the first second of the play. But if I'm not hitting that, good chance that there's a guy on a post over top of him that's going to be in between two defenders. And that's where I'm going to layer it. And I think that he sees this very well.

We continue to see him set protections every single week. So he has a good understanding of that. Now, the Oklahoma game, he struggles. He throws a couple of turnover-worthy plays. and Georgia got him on this a little bit, too. And what happened with Ty Simpson is Oklahoma. Brent Bennebill's, for as much as some people debate, like, is he a good head coach? He's a great defensive mind.

He was a great defensive mind when he was at Clemson, and he is still that at Oklahoma. He showed a lot of pressure looks against Ty Simpson, where he would have, you know, mugged looks, double mugged looks, simulated pressures, looking like pressures coming from one spot, and it's actually coming from another. And those were the things that Simpson still struggles with right now because he's a first-time, full-time starter. So I think that with this class, the important part is, like, even with Mendoza being a little bit older of a prospect, like, they're not totally finished products. No. And I think that you need to think about that when you think of Mendoza, but specifically also with Simpson and Moore, who will get to in a second, these guys are first year full. time starters. So they're learning things and I think we have to give quarterbacks the ability

to grow and to learn. And the value part of this is, I think, what's going to get people a lot this off season. Because I think that there's going to be a lot of people that look at Fernando Medoza or look at Ty Simpson or look at Dante Moore, maybe. And they're going to say well, I don't want to draft this type of a quarterback in the top 10. And I'm okay with having that principle. And I'm okay with you even coming to that conclusion. But as the Great Bill Parcell said, we can only take what the college guys give us.

That's it. We can't draft players from last year's draft class or the 2027 draft class. We can only pick from the pool that we have now. So if we get Arvel Reese, Peter Woods, Caleb Downs, Ruben Bain, Jordan Tyson.

If those guys are off the board, and that's what, I just named, I don't know, six players. I won't say the other number because you guys accuse me of farming all the time. After we get out, after we get those players, who you could pick? Maybe teams believe that quarterbacks

actually make the most sense at that point. Maybe that's the most worthwhile pick for them. And I think that there's reason to believe that these guys are going to continue to get better. So, along with Mendoza, not perfect. I think the same of Ty Simpson. I think the Simpsons cooled down a little bit since the beginning part of the season. But I still think that this is a player who in this class,

I'd consider a first round pick quarterback. And depending on where you take him in the first round, I think just always comes down to where you are as a football team. So that's my thoughts on him. I'm with you. My argument was that I think a lot of people started to be like, oh, you don't like Simpson, Mendoza for the Jets was, I didn't view him as a first overall pick that the Jets trade the farm up to go and get.

Like if you're sitting there and he's there, you could take him and develop him and win with him. But I didn't view him as a prospect that you're moving all these assets to move up and get and put in your infrastructure. And I feel that way about all these guys. There's a lot of development left for all of them, especially Simpson who's missed some throws the last couple weeks. and we've seen, you know, the pressure get to him for sure with Simpson. And, yeah, and the crazy, like I keep saying, some of their biggest games are ahead of them, man. Like, I can't wait to see Mendoza against Ohio State.

That's, oh, dude, we're getting into, we're getting into, like, finally territory with Ohio State, specifically with playing Indiana, getting into college football playoff. But I think that for Mendoza, but I also think about that with Julian Sane as well, who I'm ready to see Julian Sagan against Simly, legit defenses. I really am. Matt in the chat saying get Ty Simpson, Sean McVay. I actually did a mock draft for PFF with Dalton a couple of days ago. And that's exactly what I did with the with the Rams

extra first round pick that they had with Atlanta where they're sitting there right on the edge of the top 10. Why not take the chance? Why not take a guy who you think has the chance to really I love the idea. That can sit. Ty Simpson being able to sit behind Matthew Stafford for a year. That's the dream. That's absolutely the dream in my opinion. right um we had another we had another somebody in the chat i can't remember if a super chat or not but uh somebody was saying like can we talk about arch we will you want to talk about arch next you want to talk about him i'll get right into it yeah let's talk about arch next arch next arch has been playing a lot better lately and as you see the stats here this is another

guy went back and watched the last couple games so his last four games you know he went for over 340 in the overtime winning against Mississippi State over 320 against that top 10 Vandy team. They got blown out by Georgia, but I didn't think he was terrible against Georgia when I watched that game. No, I don't think

terrible is definitely not the word. And he wasn't even as bad as he was at the beginning of the season when he played Georgia. And then obviously he lit up Arkansas at almost 400 yards. But I just think he's, he looks so much more confident and comfortable over this last month. Yep.

Like the structure of the offense, making decisions, throwing with confidence. There's been a couple big time throws, not making bad decisions. And in his last three games, he's only taken three sacks. And all three of them were against Georgia. So he's getting the ball out. He looks more accurate. It looks cleaner mechanically. He doesn't look like it felt like he had no confidence in the beginning of the year where

it was starting to affect his mechanics. And some of the throws were just ugly. and who knows maybe he was banged up maybe he wasn't maybe he just had a slow start but you know we're obviously operating with lacking the expectation of him being in this class but you still have to watch him and evaluate him and the bottom line is it's it goes to show you the long road with quarterbacks right where arch was basically declared a bust after one game of the season and I don't think he was spectacular immediately after that game but what I've seen seen in big time SEC games over the last month is the guy that we were expecting to be on

that trajectory where he's getting a little bit better. You see the arm talent. You see the mobility. So Trevor, this is great for Arch and is going to put him in prime position to keep growing as a player when he goes back to school next year. Yeah, a good friend of the program, Nate Tice, who does a lot of really great stuff for Yahoo and everywhere. where. I mean, Nate, Nate's just a football junkie, a film junkie, understands the game so

incredibly well. The 301 podcast with him and Charles Matter is fantastic, and we've had those guys on the show. We love having them on. Nate, Nate had an extra from the show, and I don't want to speak too much on that because I haven't had time to go and listen to the full conversation of the full clip, but they tweeted out the graphic that he basically said, if Arch is in this class, he's going number one overall. Like, he thinks he's going to go number one overall. Now, Nate went on to, say, at least on Twitter, he was like, hey, I have Mendoza's QB1 right now, and I really don't think that Arch is going to be in this class. But he basically said that because of the way that he has played over the last five weeks.

And it is absolutely worth talking about here because we talked about this four games into this season. I took Arch Manning off the big board at PFF because I'm like, there's no point having him on there. He's playing like a seventh round pick right now, but we know that he's not going to be in this class. So there's no point in me moving Arch from the number one spot that he was at preseason all the way to like 250th where he was playing four or five weeks in the city. In fact, dude, seven weeks into the year, he had a 6.9 turnover of the play rate. That's crazy. It looks lost. You normally want to have something around or below 2%.

He's at 6.9. He could not stop making bad decisions. And over the last five games, he's below 1% of a turnover-worthy play rate. Multiple games was zero. Right. I think he had four of those five games. He had zero turnover with he plays. It was 4.2 against Georgia.

So it was just that Georgia game. And the other games around him, Mississippi State. Vanderbilt, Arkansas. He's been great, man. Now, the big time throws have been down a little bit, but that's kind of like what you want. He's closer to the ratio of what you want and how he is playing the position. And if you go watch some of his best throws, I think you put it perfectly. This is the player that we wanted to see at the beginning of the year.

If Arch Manning was playing the way that he has in the last five weeks at the beginning of the season, we'd still be talking about him as the number one overall pick. We would. And he is a huge decision to make in all of these. Yeah. Yes. And I think that's why what Nate says, whether you totally agree with it or not, has weight and has merit.

Because again, if what arch is done over the last five weeks is what he did from the beginning of the season, even if it's 12 straight weeks of just this, he's in contention for the number one overall pick. We're talking about him as QB1 because this is a player that you can stack things on top of, start. He can learn. And he's got all the tools, man. All that stuff is still there. He's got some beauties over the last five weeks where he's launching the ball 50, 55 yards down the field. He still has that arm to attack deep down the field. Now look, I went back and I watched a couple of games last year and this year because I knew we were having this conversation. And his motion this year, his throwing

motion is more side-armed, and it's more sped up. So that's why you see some of the frustrating misses from him on tape. And I go, man, and I watched his stuff like last year, like the Mississippi State's one I watch, where his throws a little bit more traditional. It's still got a little bit of sidearm to it, but it's a little more over the top. And I'll tell you, Connor, it's like three quarters. It wasn't as, it wasn't as rushed last year. It looked a lot more fluid last year.

And this year, this year, it's like he's like, you're just trying to cannon everything in there. Like he's like, oh, scouts are in the stands. And, you know, Uncle Peyton's in the stance. I got to show him this stuff. You know, like what, like Matthew McConaughey's in the stand. Yeah, right. Like what, like whatever.

Feeling the expectations. Yeah. And I don't know exactly what it is. And you can kind of change throwing motions and, and if he wants to change it. But that's still an area of his. game where I think it's a it's a seed of inconsistencies that we see from him. But the decision making has gotten so much better. He still has that athleticism to pick up yards with his legs, be a rushing threat,

be an actual RPO type of a quarterback, play some QB power in the run game. And then he can continue to hit deep down the field. He's got just some really impressive throws. And so ultimately, I still don't think that he's going to declare. Neither do I. But again, we're now, we're so back. The masculine urge to say we're so back after just saying it's so over with Arch Manning is where we're currently at here in his journey. He's playing some really good football.

He is. That's what I enjoyed about watching these last four games. I was like, oh, Arch is back on track where when Trevor and I do summer scouting for quarterbacks next year, we're going to be really excited about Arch again because he is getting better each week and showing some of the traits that have led to combos about him being the top overall pick. So probably not in this. draft and probably not ready to be, which is okay. But if he continues to get better, and then you go up against Georgia and some of the big teams next year and have your better games in those moments, then yeah, we'll revisit that combo of him once again

with high expectations. Moon is saying in the chat. He's had to speed up his throwing motion because, and then he says, I'll keep saying it. The offensive line cannot pass block. It's not good. The offensive line has absolutely been a step down from what it was last year. Now, obviously, when you lose a top 10 pick in Calvin Banks, and then, you know, Cam Williams, you thought you were going to have for another year. Their center was really good. Yeah, Jake Major.

Or your starter. Yeah, Jake Majors. So, yeah, I mean, like those guys not being in there absolutely means a great deal. I see the accelerated throwing motion even when he's kept clean, but I think that that could sometimes be habits from pressure that you have endured throughout the season. So I can understand that part of it as well. Okay, I'll talk about Dante Moore. We can get into Dante Moore.

so calm under pressure man i mean him against him against usc was so good his tape against USC i thought was it was fantastic it was the touch passes were all still there for him this the stuff that dante more has done really well throughout the season it was that in a big game environment against USC so those touch passes the accuracy i mean he's got above dude he had like it it's like an 86.3% adjusted completion percentage against USC. It was phenomenal. Everywhere he wants the ball to go, it goes. And it gets there with really nice touch. I think it's a really catchable ball, if you will. Some guys, you know, they're rocketing it in there. There's the, you know, the Michael Vick or Brett Farb stories where it's just like coming at you a billion miles

an hour every time no matter what. And it's difficult to catch. It's not how it feels. The Ginger McCarthy story. With Dante. Well, you know. Yeah, unfortunately. Um, yeah. So, but more, he's playing very cool under pressure as well. I think the passing grade under pressure is great. He had a throw in this game, Connor, where it was, I think there were like 30 yards out, somewhere around 30 yards out from the end zone. The safety's showing a single high look pre-snap, but he's kind of moving around before the snap. So more you could tell, he's like, okay, I know this guy's doing something. They're probably going to end up dropping to a too high safety shell or too deep coverage, whether it was the safety.

I actually think it was the nickel defender. And he kind of sees that. He snaps the ball. Sure enough, the safety who is in a single high spot rotates all the way to one hash mark. Classic. And this, I believe it was the slot defender drops to be that second deep coverage player.

So now they're just playing too deep with that player now on the other hash and the slot defender dropping deep. And he knows he has a guy running an in breaking seam route where he can throw it in between these two defenders now. And he layered this bad boy so confidently. It's one of my favorite throws that I've seen all season. It got there just in time where the guy was able to catch it and haul it in for a touchdown. It was just, it was a thing of beauty.

And if I had one throw to showcase what Dante Moore could do for you, that would be one of the ones that would first come to my mind. So he's having a hell of year elite overall PFF passing grade this season. He's in another elite game where he puts that markup against a good opponent in USC. So he's playing fantastic and I think going back to the super

I can't remember as a super chat or a regular chat that we had at the top of the show. Dante Moore's in competition for QB1. There's no question about it. Without a doubt. And we have talked about this with him thinking it's likely he goes back

because he's just a true junior and he's only a one year starter. But if you're staring number one overall or a top three select. lot of money man it's really hard to not take that especially looking at some guys who came back even from last year's class who now regret not being in the previous class and capitalizing on some momentum top three pick money isn't a different stratosphere than one year of nil money man like it's let's not go too far the other way um downtown brown saying dante more is what

my grandfather would call the cool cat he he is he's got a little bit of like the natural to him You watch him play. Yeah, yep. Like, he just, he's just out there, and it's like effortless, perfect placement, different clubs in the bag, as we love to say with the throws. Yep. He's got the short area. He could reset the pocket.

He could dip the shoulder. I love him. And, you know, selfishly for this class, I would love if this class was him, Simpson, and Mendoza. I really would because it'd be really fun to have a debate when we have the full picture of what those guys are and what they can be. And Moore is still 20 years old. So this is a really young dude. Oh, yeah.

Anthony Russo said he's just a redshirt sophomore. I said a junior, but he is. Yeah, no, he's only a redshirt sophomore. I, you know, I have some people be like, ah, he looks too small for me. I'm like, man, he's six, three. Like he'll get up to 220 when it's time for the combine. He will.

All these guys do. So I'm not really worried about the size. He's not going to run, not going to jump. but wait too 20 he'll get on that little caesar's hot and ready diet done like Bryce young baby Bryce young Bryce young I was I was explaining this small I was explaining this to elicit my wife like a week ago or whatever how whatever you weigh at the combine is just your weight forever I think we we were talking about it because darnel Washington yes said that he's 311 now on the St. Brown podcast.

Yes. And he weighed 267, which is also massive for a tight end. He weighed 267 at the Combine and his weight everywhere on the team site, on the NFL site, on PFF, like every, it will say 267 forever because they don't update. So that's why quarterbacks don't work out at the Combine. They just bulk up if they're small because, again, Bryce Young, what do you think, Rice Young plays at, 185? I would, I would say maybe 185. I bet he plays between 180 and 185 pounds. Me too. And he is listed at 202 because of the combine, especially this late in the season where like if you go into camp and for four months, all you've been doing is dieting and lifting

and working out throwing wise, but now you're on the routine of a season, you're going to lose weight for a guy like that that naturally doesn't hold weight. And he's like, he's just not tall it's yeah it's crazy but you know leading up to the combine like there's tons of stories the guys eating nine eggs every morning and oh couldn't do it yeah oh couldn't do it no not nine eggs i do look okay here's here's a question before we get into the last two quarterbacks show um this might just be a quarterback show guys uh it might be which is fine who's needed And what is the best hot sauce to put on eggs? I mean, I'm like, you got, you got Chalula, you got Franks Red Hot, you got Crystal, you got

when I've done Franks when I put hot sauce on eggs. Valentina. Yeah, just Franks. I'm not very, I'm not very creative with the hot sauce. I'm laying it all out there for you. And you're sticking with Franks? Yeah. and honestly I don't put hot sauce on eggs a lot oh dude I can't you know what I do I'll tell you

what I do maybe like this is out well how do you how do you how do you eat your eggs scrambled all right so you're ready for this I'm okay I'm I'm all brown it up for you right here okay okay this is what I do I crack two whole eggs okay right in the pan then I take you know the you know the Costco Kirkland container of egg whites you ever get like the little like the little gardens of egg whites half of one of those pour that bad boy in there let it cook a little bit but not entirely and then i cut the egg yolk out before it fully cooks so it's so the egg yolk is still running i'll put that i'll put the egg yolks just a little cut out egg yolks in a bowl let the rest of the egg whites cook fully throw the egg whites into the bowl, use the egg yolk as a little bit of a sauce. That's what I do. And then throw some hot sauce.

So I don't, if I'm going to use hot sauce, I'll use Franks, but I do the same thing almost every time. I'll have about three over easy eggs. I mean, barely cooked, right? Where the yolk is just running. But I put the eggs on top of hash browns and bacon. and I just mix it all together. So it's really just egg yolk-filled hash browns and bacon.

And I eat that, I eat that at work three to four times a week. Yeah, you got to do it. Got to do it. You know, if you're benching 315 for reps, which obviously we are. 22 reps. You got to make sure that the, uh, would. Nice is saying, what the hell did I just listen to? Yeah, the fries in the bag, bro.

So Lancy said, Trevor, I get so, whatever he said, like, I get so nervous when you hand clap because you always say something extremely out of pocket after that. I don't know where it's going. And I'm a little nervous. You're going to reveal something that people shouldn't know. That was a good one. Thank you. Thank you. I appreciate it.

By the way, Chalula, I think is, I think is the number one tier hot sauce four eggs. I think is Chaloo. I feel like I saw you recently tweeting about a Chipotle. sauce that you were obsessed with. Dude. Have you had the Chimmy Churry sauce from Chippole?

No. I have not. It's changed my whole life. Damn, it's like that, huh? I don't care if that's the whitest thing I've ever said. What's good is good. I just, it's changed my whole life. All right, next week, I'm trying it. I'll do it on the show.

I don't care. I don't do it. No, go into it. for Thanksgiving tomorrow. They'll be open. Ruin the Thanksgiving meal. Go there beforehand. Make your family pissed to you. It'll walk in with my bag and Chipotle on Thanksgiving. I hope Chipotle's not open on Thanksgiving. Yeah, I do too.

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the super chats would be flowing i have my business suit on theoretically um all right let's do it Brandon Sorsby, who you've talked about before, the Cincinnati quarterback? I have indeed. So I watched his last three games, which might be unfair to him because he's hit a little bit of a cold stretch here. He's thrown four touchdowns and four picks, six big time throws. He's only taken two sacks, by the way, on 111 dropbacks in these last three games. But he's an athlete. He is an athlete.

They lost by double digits against both Utah and BYU. And they lost all three of those games. The other was against Arizona. He's a loose athlete. You see the arm angles, like he could change arm angles to try to hit different throws. Dude, this is exactly what you were talking about earlier, though.

There are so many fastballs on this tape. Like, he just wants everything to be a fastball. Because he's so gifted, he's a big guy. I think he's 235 pounds. Yeah, he's, he's thick. And he's a good athlete. So it's, it's a, like a bigger, loose athlete with a good arm, but it's just high-velocity throw, high-velocity throw.

And when he has to throw with touch, he had a really nice lofted deep ball against Utah in the second half that I was like, I wish there was more of that on this tape. We'd be talking big time here. But most of the time when he throws with touch, it's just not there. It's not comfortable. He's kind of aiming it a little bit.

He's like, okay, this is a touch throw, except when he's throwing with velocity, it's like just whipping his arm around. and the problem is the defensive line has kind of picked this up. He has a lot of passes batted at the line of scrimmage because of it, a lot. And against which game, okay, it was against Utah. I think he, on his interception, he threw the ball against his own teammates helmet. On the all 22, it was a little blurry, but it had to hit a helmet.

he's been playing NFL street dude I'm telling you it was like he just like drop back he's just been playing NFL street too whip the ball I'm pretty sure it went off his own teammates helmet and was picked off and that that really killed them in that game

yeah you get more game breaker points and in that same got to go for those they got to remake NFL Street dude I would give anything the whole the whole argument apparently from the developer was that Like, it wasn't worth making. I'm like, oh, since who?

Everybody would buy NFL Street. Dude, everybody would buy NFL Street. What we might need to do is try to level up this. We might need to level up this YouTube channel during the summer content. And we might need to stream NFL Street. It's like we could create players. Like, we could create the modern day players and then stream a game of NFL Street for the good people. I feel like they'd love that.

Yeah, I think you and I are just going to ditch summer scouting for gaming. Which is good. Hey, when we get the Discord set up, well, we might be able to do full Madden franchises once we get the Discord set up. Amazing. Because you and your buddies do that with NCAA, right? Yeah, we, since EA CFB has returned, me and my buddies, and a lot of them, like, we don't live near each other anymore. So it's literally how we stay in touch. We have the group chat and we play a dynasty.

We've had the dynasty since launch. And when the new one came out, we started it on the new one. just to change it up because, like, you know, like, how many seasons are you going to do? We did a lot of seasons, but it's amazing. See, there's like seven of us, eight of us? I would love to do that with the addicts and, and, yeah, yeah, somebody, Jeff is saying in the chat, they're doing tournaments, like NFL Street tournaments. Like, we can set up all that kind of stuff.

I would love that. Yeah, we're, we're convincing ourselves to do a discord here. You guys have been asking still along for it. We're convincing ourselves to actually do it. Stick with us. We'll get there. Peter said, I can't wait to, whop, Trevor, 100. the 30 to zero in Madden.

Pick up the sticks, Pete. I love his, is his profile a squirrel with a cores light and a tin of Zinn? It's, yeah, probably. I can't exactly see it, but I'm just going to confidently say, probably. There's no blue chew in that pick, Pete?

Is that a blue shoe? Last thing on Sorsby. You know, he's just, he's an athlete out. I know, I could really transition, huh? for the best of them. It's talking about Bluchy and gaming.

One more thing on Brandon Swordsby, quarterback prospect. Yeah, yeah, this is good for the clip. And then I'll answer Moonfish's question in a second.

He's just, he's really impressive physically, but the mental side of the game is still growing to him. Like Utah just, they just kept spamming their linebackers blitzing. And this is also,

the sidelines should have helped him with this as well. When they're doing that, like just throw the middle of the, throw it hot in the middle of the field and all Cincinnati's routes were just, he was just throwing vertical balls over and over again. And they just kept blitzing all the linebackers. And I'm like, man, the play caller's got to help him out and start throwing the middle of the field. And he's got to obviously throw middle of the field. So, you know,

some predetermined throws have gotten him in trouble. There was one against BYU, where he's like, I'm just going to make this throw work. And he's got a lot of talent, man, but he is a, he's a work in progress for sure from those three games you could tell. Yeah. By the way, just because I think there's some people who joined who might think that we're doing quarterback rankings here. These aren't rankings. No, no, no, no. We're just conversation.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. These aren't like in order of how we're ranking these quarterbacks. These are just some of the conversations that we wanted to have about these guys over the last three to four weeks. So I wanted to make sure that I shouted that out there. Yep, Trevor's number one quarterback. Brandon Sores to be ever done. Yeah, yeah.

That's why it's last. 100%. 100% saving the best for last. Saving the best for last. Actually, you do got one more. I do have one more. I just want to talk about Lenore Sellers just a little bit. And then I want to touch on Marceau Reed in a second because a lot of people in the chat are talking about Marceau Reed from Texas A&M.

Sellers should not declare for this draft. No, I agree. Sellers should not be in this draft. I was watching that Texas A&M game and his numbers overall in the Texas A&M game are good because South Carolina goes up 30 to 3 at halftime against the number three team in the country in Texas A&M, on the road in Texas A&M. and they end up losing that game. And the reason why is because they absolutely could not do anything in the second half. And I just want to read off to you guys what the last sequence was for Lenora Sellers here in this game. Backs against the wall, last drive of the game, have to get into field goal range or it's over.

First down, about four minutes left. They've got to get in field goal range, like I said. First down, on their own nine-yard line, four-yard pass, okay? Second down, rollout, throwaway. Third down, quick pass to a slant route from the opposite hash versus inside leverage incomplete. That's one of those plays where it's not entirely on sellers, but it's hard because, like, maybe the play is just designed where you have to throw this football no matter what. But the corner was in off coverage, full inside leverage, almost like a full yard of inside leverage,

basically just guarding this slant route, knew it was coming. broke on it easy pb u then you have fourth down fourth and six incredible out corner throw to i think it was nick harbour miraculous catch unbelievable catch at the sideline converts gets to keep the game going first down uh at the 30 now they're at the 30 yard line if i remember yeah this the notice first down 30 yard line screen pass goes for nine yards all right pretty good second and one takes a sack with two minutes left third and 12 takes another sack fourth and 16 scrambles for a few yards games over brutal last three plays to have two sacks and scrambling for two yards when you need 16 the offensive line's not good the chemistry with the play calling

is not good they've already fired one offensive coordinator this year and unfortunately lenores has i don't think lenores has improved from his pocket presence the issues that we saw from him in summer scouting. And I don't think the tools can overcome him having a bad pocket presence. Now, all I've heard is he's a great kid. He's a hard worker. He's football smart. But right now it just doesn't feel like he's in a good spot in South Carolina.

And I think he needs to go back to school. I don't think he should declare for this draft. And unless South Carolina really nails it an offense coordinator, I think his best plan might be to transfer. because the offensive line is also not what it needs to be. And I fear another year in South Carolina and we're having the same conversations about him a year from now, which I don't love.

So that's sort of where I'm at with Lenora Sellers. I was lower on him than a lot of people. I think we were both lower on him than a lot of people during summer scouting. He was a project. And it has not really looked better. And I think there are things that he does well. It's not like he's like catastrophically terrible. I don't think he's Anthony Richardson, but I think that his pocket presence right now

gets him in a lot of trouble at the NFL level, unless things are really perfect for him. He's got a great offensive line. It's just hard to just draft the quarterback high when you say like, well, when the situation's great, he's great. All right, well, you kind of need your quarterback to be a little bit more than that because situations aren't going to be ideal in the NFL level. So I'm just still not really in on sellers this year. I think he goes back to school.

I hope he does, and I hope the situation around him gets better. And I hope he grows in that situation. But I really, I really hope he doesn't declare because I just don't want to see, you know, he'd have to sit for a while, a while. And it's,

man, you get better, you get better by playing in college. You really do, right? Like I don't, I don't think you could just go hide in the NFL in a program for two years without playing.

There's going to be a couple exceptions, but the best thing for sellers. And with the last couple games I've gone for Ty Simpson, sometimes I feel that way about Simpson. I really like Ty Simpson a lot as a prospect. But there's also times where I'm like, man, he just needs to play more college football because he's been sitting so long waiting.

So with Sellers, he needs a better environment and he needs to clean up on the things we've talked about going back to July. All right, we'll go rapid fire through our, yeah, we'll just go back and forth. We'll ping pong a little bit here with the guys that we wanted to bring up. I'll let you start here. And mine's real quick on the first one,

I'm Caden McDonald's from Ohio State, man. Like, it's, I don't think anybody's going to be, you know, terribly surprised at here. I love an Ohio State defensive tackle. That's a 300 and 30 pounds. You see that little stock up animation from the chef there? Oh, that's beautiful, chef, man. He added in the show?

That is beautiful. That little squeak. Look at that. Look at them. Oh, my God. Foo. I think everybody knows how much I love Tileyke Williams in this role last year. and Cain MacDonald, there's a world where he's, he's even better.

I mean, there's not a ton of pass rush ability at the moment right now, not a ton. But he could be the best run defender in the country, at least that plays with his hand in the dirt. It is, this dude is unmovable. Unmovable. You watch the Ruckers game, and Ruckers under Shiano, they like to play bullyball and set the tone and set the run. And McDonald blew up, I think, five plays I saw where he didn't. didn't just hold his ground he was in the backfield either making the player redirecting the back so mcdonald is an NFL player man he looks like a first round pick to me and in this league where

everybody's trying to run and eliminate the run and make you one dimensional he makes the opposition one dimensional player i i like him more than i like tie league last year yeah um i know you were higher on ty league than i was anyways and but i think i like mcdonald even better yeah he i just think that he is. He's a stud. He's a rock in the middle. I don't know how much pass rush he's ever really going to give you. But having that bowling ball in the middle that you feel great about to take up multiple gaps, feel like you could have a good confidence with him against double teams. I mean, that's very, very valuable, no matter whether you're an even front or an upfront. So I'm a big Caden McDonald guy for this year as well. Skylar Bell is the

first player that I want to talk about here. Scott's stock up player. Yeah, you had him as a stock It took me a long time to get to his film. And he's a Bolitnikov finalist this year, 5'10, 185 pounds. He was at Wisconsin before he was at Yukon. And interesting enough, he was a three-star recruit. Played a little. Did he redshirt? The first year that he played a good amount, like he was in the rotation a decent amount.

And then the next year, he was like a full-time starter. And then the following year, he was not. not a star. He started like two out of 13 games. And they transferred over to Yukon became a major part of that passing attack. And especially this year, he's been unbelievable. He's a smaller receiver. So you might think to yourself, hey, he's a slot only type of a guy. I don't think that's the case. I think this guy's a hell of a route runner. I think he's good in contested catch situations. He's got great hands. Now, if I remember correctly, the catch percentage for him throughout his career has been lower than you've

wanted it to be. It was like in the 70, like high 70s, low 80s, over the last couple of years. But this year it's at like 95%. He's catching everything that comes his way. He's a yards after catch kind of a guy. You can align him anywhere. They base the entire passing attack around him. The body control, the one cut ability, whether he has the ball or he doesn't, is pro caliber. The route tree is wide open with this guy. I think he's a top 100 player in this class. I really do. I am there with him. Size be damned. Again, the one year of in a really, really good, like, catch percentage player worries me a little bit. He's a last year of his career breakout type of a player.

That worries me a little bit. But overall, it's hard to deny the body of work that this guy is putting out there here in, in 2025. And if this version of him is what you get in the NFL, this is a difference making player. This is a wide receiver two caliber type of a route runner that you're getting. I'm with you. I love the shout out. Damn good player. and I like you saying top 100, I see it as well.

I think he's going to go in the third round, honestly, with the way he's been playing at this point. We'll see the testing and the process. That's the range that I've got him in as well. Yep. One more for me here. It's really good to see Penn State since they kind of went into a tailspin. It's really since the Northwestern game feature K-Tron Allen.

The Fat Man, the Fat Man, is taking advantage of it. Man, that production has just significantly spiked since week seven. That was the Northwestern game. Some of the big performances, 145 rushing yards at Iowa, 181 at Michigan State, 160 against Nebraska. Over his last five games, he's forced 27 miss tackles. And I did a tape breakdown on him this week for NBC, Trevor. Really good in pass pro. Like square generates strength from his lower half to anchor against blitzers.

Fat man is what a pro running back looks like. And I love the contact balance. Yeah. He's, I like him better than Nick Singleton. I've, and I feel like I've turned on it. I thought Singleton would be the better guy. I don't see that at all anymore. Yeah, I think that I think the KTron Allen is the better pro back.

He's like a younger remandre. Yeah, I mean, yeah, I don't mind that at all. Like off the top of my head, that that's sort of the stylistic comp that we're talking about here with him. I just think that his game is very translates to the pro level very well. Without a doubt. Top end comp is like a Tyler Algier type of a player where he's just an absolute bowling ball and you can never tackle. He's got good feet, though. I'm always surprised when he stops on a dime in the open field.

I'm like, damn. Yeah, it's impressive. Alan's great. Two guys for me, Josh Quavis is the first guy from Alabama, who I wanted to talk about here. Six foot three, 255, I believe is what he is listed at. He is a red shirt senior. He was a zero star recruit coming out of high school.

He played wide receiver and linebacker, and he committed a Cal Poly as a tight end. So he played at Cal Poly for two seasons, redshirted one of them, played 12 games the next year, transferred to Washington in 23, he played 15 games when he was in Washington. Then when DeBoer got the job at Alabama, he transferred over to Alabama with DeBoer. So he stayed in that system with that head coach there. Connor, he's a little bit smaller for the tight end position.

But man, if this dude was like 6-5-2-60, you know, I think we'd be talking about him as like a second-round pit. And I just, I don't know if he has the size to be considered like that, but I really enjoy his game. especially over the last couple of weeks, he's become more of this offense here. He's been used more as a receiver in his career than when he did, than when he had until, since, actually, what I'm going to try to say here?

He has been used as a receiver more this season since he was a Cal Poly. There we go. That was difficult to say. Overall, I think he's got decent size to be able to play in line. He can play in the black backfield. He can play in a slot. plays in a lot of different spots for Alabama. I think that he gets out of his stance very, very quickly,

whether he's in a standup in the slot or whether he is in line. I think he's got good juice, good athleticism. His fundamentals as a blocker are really nice. I think he's very light on his feet. It allows him to move and mirror with either defensive backs or linebackers that he's going up against, sometimes even defensive ends where even if he's overpowered a little bit, he's one of those guys where he's got so great a feat

that he can stay in front of him a little bit. And it's not like he's holding on for dear life and committing penalties. I love how nimble the footwork is there for him. High catch percentage throughout his career, no matter how many targets that he has gotten. I think he's a well-coordinated blocker in space as well. You can use him as a wingback or as a lead blocking fullback, sort of how the Colts use Tyler Warren in their offense.

He just doesn't have a lot of receiving production in his career. I think he lacks that pro size at tight end. And I think he loses the arm length battle pretty easily against D.E. defense events in college, which means that'll continue in the pros. But I think he's got some extra juice as a receiver. And like I said, I just, I love the way this dude moves. I think he's very balanced, got good grip strength, good core strength. And I feel like he's turning into a mid-round tight end type of a player,

maybe an early day three guy because of his size. But I think if you got Josh Quavis on your NFL team, you've got a tight end two and a wingback option for heavy personnel sets that you're pretty happy with. So I wanted to shout him out because he's playing well. I like it. There's some really underrated tight ends now in the. SEC between Quavis and Dayquan Wright on Ole Miss.

Like there is talent and we'll get to that group because I know we didn't get to it over the summer in a full rankings. Yeah. Last guy for me that I'll shout out here is Brandon Cise, the cornerback from South Carolina. It took me a while to get to his film. But when the go, Dan Bruegler lists him as a top 50 player, you pay attention. And so I wanted to make sure that I got to Cise's profile here. Let me make sure I got his full profile.

file correctly. Hold on. That run defense grade is pretty wild. He is, uh, yeah, I mean, he's, dude, he's, I think he's a total player. I really do. I see what Dane really likes in him. So he's a true junior this year. No guarantee that he comes out, but six foot tall, 190 pounds. So he's got the size to play outside corner, uh, at the NFL level. Three star cornerback when he was coming out in his recruiting class, played defense back and wide receiver in high school. He's also a former track sprinter, uh, ran the 100, ran the 200.

He was with NC State for the last two years before this one. It didn't have any starts in 2023, but he still played in all 13 games. And he started all nine games that he played in in 2024 before switching over to South Carolina. South Carolina plays a lot more zone than they do, man. So he's got a lot more zone reps. But I think he's got the length. I think he's got the twitchiness to him to be able to mirror out of press. When I watched the press reps, I still really liked what I saw.

really high forced in completion rate over the last two seasons. So he gets his hands up when the football is coming near him. And I think that's also a sign of how good of athleticism that he has to recover, stay in the hip pocket of wide receivers, keep up with him. Very low miss tackle rate and really high run defense scores in his career. You mentioned the run defense scores that you guys see on the screen. Really nice makeup and recovery speed. Anytime he's in a trail technique, if it's like, okay, well,

I'm not going to get my hands on this guy out of press and, okay, he gets a good release on me. maybe he's even and maybe he has a step but normally he can he can make up for that because he's got that smooth explosiveness uh in his lower body including his hips when he's turning to run to get up field i think the footwork is excellent especially in off coverage he's able to anticipate pretty well react to things very quickly and you really need that when you're playing in off coverage so off coverage he's played more of zone coverage he's played more of because of south carolina system but i think he's got the skill set to be able to play in press man as well so this is somebody who i think has the athleticism and the size to

be able to do it all. And again, I don't know if he's for sure going to be in this class, but he's somebody who if he is, we're probably talking about him as a top 50 pit. I like it. I got another defensive back to add to this as well, just to drop a new name before we get out of here. Yep. One thing I love about November is matching football in the middle of the week, man. Like once in a while, you just stumble upon guys that you maybe didn't get to see a lot during the year. Emmanuel McNeill Warren plays safety, plays a lot of roles for that Toledo defense. But They played Miami, Ohio on a Wednesday a couple of weeks ago. And I saw this dude playing free safety with some great range on a throw that he really could have had a pick.

He didn't finish the play. But this is a long-limbed kind of DB. He can cover ground with big strides. I like his vision. Over the last three years, he's forced eight fumbles. So like when he comes up to hit and he plays in the box a lot, when he comes up to hit, he comes up to hit with intentions. just that total hybrid player that can cover tight ends, can do damage in the box,

has enough ranges of free safety over the top, Emmanuel McNeill Warren playmaker from Toledo. I did not like his tape when we watched over summer scouting because I thought he was late on a lot of reads and it got him in trouble. However, he plays more now closer to the line of scrimmage. The way that people talk about him now is that they talk about him with really great instincts and anticipation.

So I got to go back and watch him because there's a lot to like about him outside of the reps where I didn't feel like he saw it quick enough. And if that's not an issue for him anymore, then yeah, I think he could be a good football player. I wonder if him getting hurt last year and having more time off the field, actually in a weird way,

even helped his mental side of the game because now he's back healthy this year. And I agree, like the traits are starting to apply to the mental side of the game. I watched three games from this year. I watched that one live against Miami on Wednesday, but I went and watched some tape of him. I like him.

He's unique. Toledo just finds these guys. It's crazy. I think Dame Brugler likes him a lot as well, so you're in good company there. We see all the super chats. We're going to read as many as possible. But before we get to that,

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our low five dollar super chat happy thanksgiving hope it's a good one go bears on black friday yeah that's the NFL game we've got about black friday bears eagles yep eagles are seven point favorites who that's too many it's too many don't like it it's a big number i like the eagles to win but not by seven that's the game tony lee our guy thank you for the twenty-dollar super chat can't wait to get to the quarterback conversation as jets fan i'm leaning on wanting to wait to the it's 2027 draft for a quarterback. Keep building the roster. 2006 class has not really impressed me.

Give me Reese and a wide receiver in round one. Tony, I will not criticize that plan. If the Jets walk away with Arvel Reese and a wide receiver and say, hey, we'll wait a little bit. You could do worse. You've talked about that very strategy, you know? Not forcing quarterback and then just going with the guys that make the most sense. We did multiple mock drafts on our fixing the Jets.

And we'll do it again. Damn it. Mahal, $5, $5, Super Chat. draft the best team out of all draft analysis who didn't play in D1 Treb can be the kicker great

draft the best team out of all draft analysis who didn't play D1 that's actually really fun it's a longer combo so we can't do it today no we can't but I'll be the kicker but we lose Nate because he played D1 no yeah so I was going to say like Nate'll be our quarterback he can't because he played D1

so he doesn't qualify. Oh, he's our left tackle. Who is? Owen Reese. He's our left tackle. Yeah, and he played, but he didn't play D1 so we can have Owen on the team. Okay, that's good.

Yeah. That's good. Yeah. I'll play slot receiver. Fine. Great. I should have done. We got three people.

We'll fill out the roster. Don't you worry. The Drewski, the Drusky route. Yeah. My 12 second release package. That's, It is always the best when you go to some of these all-star events and we see the one-on-ones. It's corners versus wide receivers.

And it is. They're doing like a multi-layered release to take six seconds. Yeah. Your quarterback has been pronounced dead 20 minutes ago. Hey, but am I going to post the clip on Twitter and be like, sick release? Thousand likes. Yeah, I love it. Carson, thank you for the super chat.

Who should the Broncos pick in the first round of Sadiq Stiles and C.J. Allen are available. Appreciate it, little bros. I mean, Sadiq's the fun pick. Yeah, Sadiq's the fun pick. Yeah, and they do need another weapon. I know they have a lot of guys, but they need someone a little bit more unique. I think it's in that order. I think it's Sadiq and Stiles and then, Alan.

All right. $5 from Sean went to school with Melkart, Abu, Jode. I think it's how you say the name. Leeds the ACC and C. sacks clash royale enjoyer either of you goobers have any thoughts give us don't have thoughts clash royale enjoyer is that the that's the iphone game right i think so yeah that i always assume those games are just trying to hack your phone like in the internet like when you see the ads yeah right right right uh thank you sean we'll try to get back to you i haven't played an iphone

since Temple Run for me no what was before that before Happy Bird was before that that might be the last one might be the last one okay Brandon Ryblich good news and bad news boys bad news is I work Friday I feel you man I'm with you good news is my co-workers and I agreed to me bringing in my fire sticking TV to watch football on Friday happy Thanksgiving shrimps love you all nicely Nicely done, pal. No, yeah. Enjoy TV at work.

I like it. I watch TV at work, too. Relevant elephant. Love the name. $5.00 Super Chat. Is it too inappropriate to give thanks for the Giants finally launching Shane Bowen into the sun at the family dinner? You guys can give thanks for whatever you want to Thanksgiving. That's right.

And Giants fans are obviously probably happy the Shambo is no longer there. James Alba. Thank you for the Super Chat. Connor is a fellow victim to Big Tucks. I'm sorry. And someone who has watched Bryce Petty and Chris Trevler, I think we deserve. to get this quarterback pick right for once. I agree.

Bryce Petty played for the Jets? Bryce Petty started games for the Jets. Oh, no. You said games, plural. Games. Games. You know, the Bryce Petty quote that always sticks out. Every single time somebody brings up Bryce Petty's name,

I always remember the interview that I read from him after the, after his first year in the league where he was like, yeah, actually no defenses now, so I don't have to like ask that a lot. Yeah, that was the big one. Yeah. Yeah, when at Baylor, it was, you know, three different looks. Yeah, three different looks. You remember, you remember when, God, who was the offensive coordinator?

Was that our Biles? It was Bryles' system. When the receivers who weren't towards the concept side of the field, literally didn't move. They didn't run. They were told me to have the energy. The ball was snapped and they were just like, all right, what's going on over there? Dude, that set football back stuff for decades.

Tough. as you were turkey and a smoker 100% nice yeah oh i'm gonna get chicken wings in a smoker i'm gonna get turkey and a smoker we're getting ribs in a smoker phenomenal b yx four four dollars and 44 cents Trevor shuck i love you wow the people say that i look like tylich shuck uh we've done this before i always go back to gabriel landa scog yeah i like that one better you i mean i'm not kidding if you in Landisog were sitting side by

like if they put you in an abs full uniform and pads and helmet I can get away with it and I think people would think it's Landisog on the bench I really do it's wild man you guys I'm obviously more jacked but yeah you're bigger than Gabriel

Landiscag captain of the one of the best hockey teams the last half decade Max Davis thank you for the super chat you guys should start a wing sauce line called Pimp my meat umbrella also go bears we got a couple of go bears here yeah we got to shorten that name but you're on to something max Luke five dollar super chat jk s I don't know how to say his full name this is the quarterback of cow that everybody's super pumped about he's not eligible though no no no no he's a true

freshman he's not we we can't talk we're not even another two years yeah but people are very excited trinidaddy underscore matt me jet's analyst is too good for jalen hurts that's a quote for me from Badlands. That won't even get too far into it. We were talking about like fake trades for veteran quarterbacks. Yeah. And I kind of was like, I'm not giving up multiple ones for Jalen Hertz. And then I laughed at me saying it because the Jets haven't had a quarterback in a lifetime.

So it's like funny to be like, I'm too good for that. But I mean, I wouldn't give up. I wouldn't give up two first for Jalen Hertz. No way. Not to the Jets. Why would you do that? No. Jalen Hertz, I think is fantastic for exactly where the Eagles are.

That's exactly right. And he is and he is so great for where the. He does not turn the ball over. He is super smart with the football. He can complete deep passes when they need to. But like none of that works with the Jets. No. And then the Jets would be trading their assets and taking on quarterback money.

That doesn't, that's not where the Jets are right now. Yeah. So thank you for. Thank you for. Thank you for. Megreezy. $10 super chat. Any consideration for Miava, Jaden Maiava,

with the Jets' second first round pick if they go BPA with their first. Hashtag bad. Yeah, this is becoming kind of a scenario for sure. It definitely is. I was going to be a first round pick. I don't think so. The only reason he would go out, though, decently enough. The only reason he'd go in the first is for the fifth year.

Yeah. But by the second year, you often know if you want to extend the guy. So it's like, I don't know, the fifth year is kind of a weird way to. Well, it's only, yeah. That's true. All right. Dyshawn Allen, you guys should make some sex addicts merch. I'm trying to walk into my family Thanksgiving with a sex.

shirt. I agree. We agree. We absolutely agree. Good idea. Darien $5 Super Chat. Raiders fans here. I hope we go O-line instead of Mendoza.

Fano allows us to move Glaze and JPJ making three spots better. Mendoza equals a 2027 QB5. Ooh. It might seem like a hot take, but I don't know if it's top of my head. Well, I mean, like saying I would take over Mendoza more if he's not in this class. Yeah. I mean, like, more is up there with Mendoza like right now. So I think our fearless hero here probably like C.J. Carr.

Oh, maybe, maybe. I have not watched enough of C.J. I have not. But I can understand Raiders fans wanting to go with the offensive line instead of a quarterback. I can understand that. Frosted Egg shells. $5.0. Super Chat. Thanksgiving, start bench cut.

Stuffing. Green bean casserole. Drake May. Okay, we're obviously starting Drake May. I'm benching stuffing and and then cutting weight. Yeah, that yes, that's the absolute order. If anyone has a different answer, I'd find it weird.

Yeah, yeah. Fire hazard, $2 super chat says football show by the way. That's right. It's a, it's not really a football show. It's just kind of, that's the key to get people to watch and then we talk about other stuff. And then we talk about hot sauce on it.

I don't want to miss. Griffin R, who sent us a $50 super chat. Thank you so much. Sending a little extra love for you, fellas, on this one. What's your favorite and least favorite Thanksgiving dishes? P.S., make sure $6.90 of this goes to chef cook. Thank you, Griffin. That was really nice, and we will fulfill our promise.

My favorite Thanksgiving dish and my least favorite. I mean, I think our last comment, just I don't like, I don't, what all the great stuff on Thanksgiving. I don't really take the green beans very often. I'm not looking to pile on the plate with green beans. Doesn't do it for me. Yeah, that's, that's probably my least favorite, although I do like getting a little bit of green in there, you know, making myself feel a little better. It's like a necessity. It's not, if we got Brussels sprouts in the mix, though, I'm taking Brussels over, over green beans. By a mile. My favorite, that's actually really tricky. Stuffing, obviously, like, is going to be the most. Stuffing's great.

I love stuffing, and I know this is cheating, but I'll shout her out anyways. My grandmother, 93 years old yesterday, by the way. Happy birthday. She makes, like, she's Italian, full on Italian. She makes like a sausage and peppers stuffing that is just to die for. Phenomenal. That's hard to top. So that is my, it's a, it's a sycamamom.

specialty there but that's a that's my that's my favorite i like that there's so many options candy yams love them oh you're a candy yams guy i love candy yams i'll load up the plate i'll have a full plate of just mashed potatoes with a sea of gravy somebody said earlier protein power anabolic steroids in the mashed potatoes so the protein powder in the mashed potatoes done good yeah just scoop a little creatine in there you'll never you'll never even you'll never even notice. DeMarcus, $5 Super Chat, said, hey, fellas, love the content.

How do we feel about Amad Hardy in the 2027 draft? I love Mon Hardy. He's awesome. It's amazing. He's going to be fantastic. We're going to be talking about him as RV1, going to next year, I think. Sports debate arena, why shouldn't quarterback needy teams at the top 10, like Minnesota or Pitt take shots on Mayaba or Sorosby if they don't think they'll stay on the board later?

We'll have a deeper combo about. I don't think Sorbsby is a first rounder, do you? Not even close. yeah i don't i don't either not i thought he was like a fourth fifth rounder that's what that's what i had him initially and i think myava is a day two guy yeah what so maybe my ava is the convoy you're talking about yes i like that option for pit like of teams that might be picking in the 20s or something you know a quarterback that could be there or potentially you know like if if if pittsburgh wants to trade back in like the back end of the first round early part of the second round something like that

and draft my ava i think that that's a little bit better but i actually do like the landings from my avid pit i think that that can make a lot of sense minnesota yeah i mean we'll have the quarterback conversation about minnesota i think it's all over the pace play some uh football analysis aka garrett was in the chat earlier he was talking about um he was subtly talking about nine and uh the issue that they might have nine to five here uh silver hammer brew thoughts on noa fifita we had noa Fafita on a stock up during this season. He'll

be in our final quarterback rankings, obviously. I thought, what I watched him from stock up about a month ago, I thought he was playing much better football compared to last year. He was getting back to the version of himself for two years ago. Badgerlove gave us a $5 super chat said, have you guys watch any of the Wisconsin pass rushers, all this Goatmeyer talk,

but the Badgers had him in the walls of Jericho all game. I haven't watched. Did you catch that game? Yeah, they mashed Illinois. Remember my Illinois bet. I need one more win from that. Oh, yeah. I watch an agony. Yeah. No, I need to actually watch them as prospects, but Wisconsin mashed Illinois. And Illinois has, I got to make sure J.C. Davis played in that game, but like Illinois has some talent up front. So, although I think Davis is a guard, not an NFL tackle. The reason why I, what I read that is because Chuba also,

of course, gave us the, um, there he is. The scheduled show $2 super chat dives on Goatmeyer for the dynasty. So you got them, pal. he's all yours that's all you think we have two more left uh yeah fire hazard five hour super chat eagles don't have a tight end or contract next year what are your all thoughts for them a lot of tight ends they they could choose from in this class jack andry's in this class justin jolie's in this class max clear's in this class obviously kenyon cedeke as well if you want to go at the very top but i just max mentioned uh josh quavis who i really like from from alabama uh tanner coziel from houston like there there are a lot of tight in

is Dayquan Wright from Ole Miss. There are a lot of tight ends in this class. I really do think so. Ray gave it, oh, would you want to, any other tight ends? No, no, no, no. Oh, you're good. Ray gave us a $5 super chat, which was, I think, just to support the show. And then he gave us another $5 super chat.

Said, as a Texans fan, I would love for EMW, that was the safety that you were just talking about. Yeah, to be a safety option for us. He's a dog, would compete, and that's the defense in the best way possible. I mean, him and. Kaelan Bullock? Yeah. Very nice. Very nice.

And then we had one more, we had one more super chat that I missed that was a happy Thanksgiving that I was saving towards the end. But either I clicked off of it or it's not here anymore. I don't know where it is. McFarland, Jeffrey, happy Thanksgiving, everyone. Everyone is great. Tell your mom you love her. I will. Thank you.

I wanted to end with that one. I love it. It's very wholesome. Just to say to everybody, have a happy Thanksgiving. It is an incredible football weekend, folks. Black Friday, the Thanksgiving Day games are unbelievable this year. The rivalry games on Saturday, the Sunday slate, obviously Monday night football as well. There's so much great football on this weekend, whether you are celebrating it, just yourself with your friends, with your family, however you celebrate Thanksgiving.

We hope it is a fantastic weekend for you guys. We truly meet it when we say we love you. We appreciate you. We love doing this show. are our family. So we wanted to make sure that we still got you those two episodes even right before Thanksgiving. You want to follow the show at NFLSC show on all the platforms at Tampa Bay Trey at Connor J. Rogers. But Connor, anything else before we... I echo everything you said. A huge thank you to everybody in the chat and everybody that supports this show, all the super chats, all the

comments, all the love. You guys are awesome. Have a safe and lovely happy Thanksgiving with your families. For Tyler Cook, behind the glass for Connor Rogers. I'm Trevor Sycamas saying thank you guys so much for watching and listening to another episode of the NFL Stock Exchange podcast. We will see you guys at 4.30 p.m. Eastern Time.