Nightcap - Belichick BLOWN OUT in UNC debut, Tyreek Hill not named captain, Cam Hayward sitting?

Episode Date: September 2, 2025

Join NFL Legends James "Deebo" Harrison and Joe Haden as they react to Bill Belichick losing 48-14 to TCU in his UNC coaching debut, Tyreek Hill not being voted a Miami Dolphins captain this season, Pittsburgh Steelers DL Cam Heyward still at a stalemate with the team on contract negotiations, and much more! Timecodes: 00:41 - TCU beats UNC 11:05 - Saquon Barkley No.1 on NFL Top 100 players 18:01 - RB contracts are diabolical 24:54 - Is Rodgers the GOAT? 29:47 - Tyreek Hill not voted Dolphins captain 35:40 - Trevon Diggs refutes negative Micah Parsons reports 40:29 - NFC North predictions 43:31 - Cam Heyward holding out? 49:54 - Matthew Stafford to start season 58:43 - Lamar Jackson top MVP odds   (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #Club #Nightcap See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

Welcome back to the Debo and Joe show. I'm your host, James Debo Harrison, and here with my co-host, Joe Hayden. Please make sure you like and subscribe to our channel. You don't want to miss nothing. How you doing today, Joe? Great day, great day. Another day on the pile. My good, man, Debo, can't wait to get into these topics, man.

It was a lot going on. a lot of things to talk about. Definitely, definitely. The first thing we're going to talk about, though, is how, you know, UNC went over there and got their face beat in. Got to 48 to 14, man. You know, I guess that was,

Bill's welcome to college party, I would say. It wasn't no joke. He's letting them know, man. These boys did not come to play. TCU was not playing with them, bro. Yeah, definitely. So, you know, looking at it, you know, I think the defense personally, just looking at it, they just got dominated.

I think on both sides of the ball, when you look at it, the offensive and defensive lines, they were getting moved around. A whole game. Yeah, the whole game. On top of that, you know, you got guys not, you know, catching passes. You got guys missing tackles, dropping punts. Everything that, you know, when I was there, that they harped on fundamentals, you know what I'm saying, And, you know, see what you're supposed to see, be where you're supposed to be, and do what it is that you're supposed to do.

And, you know, you had guys that just looked like they were totally out of position, you know, big plays. It was nothing like you normally see of a... They looked lost, Debo. They looked lost. They looked like they were ill-prepared and uncoached. And that is not what you see in the Bill Belichick type defense or team. The one thing they're going to do is be coached. They're going to have eye discipline.

They're going to tackle. They're going to be in the right position. They might not be the most athletic people, but the one thing they're going to do is they're going to be in the right place and make the right play at the right time. They looked completely lost. When they first started off the game,

it was all good. The first drive, first plays, cross, big over, boom, everybody's hype. First try, they score. And from that, it's funny how the table's turned. What was it like, 40-something? Bo. Unanswered, like, non-stop before they even.

40-some unanswered. That's exactly what. what it was, Devo. Yeah. He threw the pick six. That's not something you could do, man. No, the pick six before halftime killed them. And then coming out of half-

I don't think that killed him. I think they didn't regroup at halftime. Normally, you know, when you get in there, especially when I was there with Bill, he has a plan, you know, in place. And he puts that plan in place and, okay, this is what we're going to do. This is what we're going to adjust to. And you come out, you adjust to it.

And, you know, I think he's, very good at adjusting to have time. But again, you're in college. You know what I'm saying? And it's a, you know, it's a difference between, you know, college and the pros. You know, how hard do you think it is to go from coaching in the NFL to college? I think it's very hard. I think because when you have professionals that understand that it's not no longer, we're not doing this for fun. This is our profession. This is our job. What's on film is our resume. So you're speaking to grown men. And when you tell them one time, They shouldn't be able to, you shouldn't make the same mistake twice in the league or you're going to be out the way. In college, it's more, man, like, dude, do you get this or do you don't? You know what I'm saying? I think it's harder to coach those kids than it is to coach professionals. And now with those kids being NIL guys, these kids are also now getting paid. These kids are also now looking at bill, like, what are you going to tell me?

You know what I'm saying? I'm making a million dollars here playing a little game. I can go somewhere else next year. You know what I'm saying? I got this. So not being able to have the maturity of, like, you can't really coach these dudes up because now they're looking at you like, who are you talking to? You know what I'm saying? Instead of the respect factor that he used to have in college where Coach Meyer, when he was telling us what to do, he was the law.

There's nothing over Meyer. Meyer's not going to let us play. If we go somewhere else, you had to sit out of year. You couldn't just go to another school and then go play. No, you had to go do what Cam did. He went jukego. Then he had to go to Auburn. There's steps.

So kids are acting a little bit different. So I think that's going to be a whole lot tougher for him to come. coach. But I was saying, like you said, too, the halftime part, pick going into the second half. Now you have the whole halftime to figure it out, get your changes, get your execution. First play, Debo, the man ran 75 yards, untouched, and scored again right out of halftime. The first place is that's not the adjustment you want to come out. You didn't do any adjustments. You look crazy. And that's something else. The big difference, you know, is you're recruiting now.

You actually have to go out here and find the guys that, you know, you don't know, you're, you need to get. That's a whole other process. You don't have a whole scouting department to go out there and, you know, get what it is that you know. Again, you have, you have grown men, you know, out here. They're trying to put food on their table. They're trying to feed their family, you know. It's going to be a lot more motivation to go out there and get it done where you got these, you know, 17 to 20-something year old kids. And, you know, they got money in their pocket now, you know, a $1,000, $100,000, that's a big thing to them. And I think another thing with college is that, you know, they've really limited the amount of time. I think that's what we're seeing in the tackling.

They've limited the amount of time that these guys could go out here and do live drills, go and tackle, going, you know, perfect their craft. And I think that's a big issue of why we were seeing, you know, so many mistackles. no i think so too you're exactly right i mean it's live reps they're taking out the live reps they want dudes to they're trying to protect people's heads and all of the uh protocol being able to go full speed and get those live tackling reps being able to get those angle tackles that doesn't happen it's a big difference between running up here and breaking down oh i was formed up ready to go okay but what happens when he decides that he's not going to cut away from you and he lowers his

shoulder he's going to he's going to dip on he's going to run you over yes that things that in practice you have to go through. For sure. Be able to, you know, get that day in and day out so that when you get into that game, you know what, I can see the adjustment. You know, it may be a little late, but I'm not going to miss this whole tackle because I've been coming up here all practice, squatting down, form, fitting, looking pretty. And now, you know, he go ahead and he put that right down on my ass.

And I'm sitting there on my back with my feet kicked up in the air. Yeah. But, you know, like a horse that then got put down, you know. For sure, for sure, for sure. Because then you can run all the way up to the right position, standing, and then look, bang, now you get back. What you're going to do when you get there? You're going to drive through him?

Are you going to go through the target? Or are you going to become, you know what I'm saying? Right. A speed bump. Yeah, yeah. I don't, I don't, I don't, dang, man. I just, I don't think I would ever go from coaching. in an NFL to

coaching in college because again, especially in today's era, you lose a lot of the motivation that, you know, guys have, you know, when you're in the pros versus now in college, you know, you got some of these guys out here.

They could mess around and actually make, you know, generational money, you know, millions of dollars that they're smart with it and having, you know, financial understanding of what it is they need to do. And you're sitting here as their position coach trying to tell them what to do. That's, that's a hard role to hold. A thousand percent, man. They had that role of us because we couldn't even do anything.

That name and your likeness. You couldn't get a haircut. You couldn't get a free tattoo. That means T. Cheryl Proud got kicked out of school for getting free tattoos. Like that's crazy. Dude. That was that long ago. That wasn't that long ago that we couldn't actually do a thing. We couldn't have no money. Like they want us to be legitimately broke. They're like, oh, you're getting your, you're paying, they're paying for your housing. I'm like, so? Like, If a dude was in my class that was an artist and made it a painting, he could sell that painting for $250,000 and nobody's going to say nothing to him. But I can't go do an autograph signer, Joe Hayden at the University of Florida,

make a couple thousand dollars because I ain't got it. They like this. That's against the NCAA. Like, huh? If they don't, that's mine. A dinner. A dinner could get you, a free dinner could get you, get you pop. You know what I'm saying?

Anything. So that was crazy, like not being able to do that and just being able to not. have no money to now. These dudes are, I appreciate it. I love it. But at the same time, that's what gives them a little bit more like, you can't really tell me nothing. But I mean, I don't, I don't like that part. I think they could still be able to grind, still be able to get it because that's the thing. What I loved about college when we was there, I think that made us want to get it out the mud because you still didn't have nothing. You know what I'm saying? You were still in it with your boys. Everybody going to go back to the situation.

All y'all broke, man. So we like, you know, that's something that I see, I see now with. with, you know, current, current players and some of their kids, it's like, yo, you know, even me, I'm like, I don't made it too comfortable for these dudes. Like, you know, my oldest son finally dropped down and started, started really grinding into it, but it was only after he had a couple of surgeries, you know what I'm saying? And now he has to have another one tomorrow. But, you know, I was in a situation where I'm like, yo, I got to grind. I got to go out here.

I don't want to, I don't want to be in the situation I grew up in. I didn't know I was poor, Joe, until I got to college and realized, like, yo, everybody don't live how we was living back here. Like, we don't got no money. We actually, like, we actually waiting. We folding up antennas to make sure you get the TV to work and all this other stuff. You know, the TV break, you got to wait. For sure.

It ain't just go get a new one and everything else. Like you're saying, too, though, that's the thing you know you're your surroundings. Like, everybody that's around you is kind of in the same situation. The internet, being able to get on TikTok, being able to see. everybody, how everybody's living, miles away and fake living. You know what I'm saying? Because all that stuff is having their perspective, what they put out. You always want to look up with the Joneses, keep up with the Joneses.

When you was in your neighborhood, you was riding your bike to your man's street up the street, and y'all was playing football in the street until the lights came back on. You wasn't sitting there looking to see what little Johnny got that lives in California with his family that's just traveling and doing that stuff. You figuring out what you got. You're up here, window shopping daydream and trying to compare your life to somebody's life that ain't even really what they're putting on there. Put nothing.

They just fronting, you know what I'm saying? Got you depressed, got you stressed out over something that doesn't even need to be nothing. You know what I'm saying? Sure. Just a whole different, it's just a whole different era. But that grind, that like wanting to get it, that, that, that grit that we had, some of that stuff, you can't put it into everybody. Some people ain't built like that.

You know what I'm saying? You're going to grind, man. Like, we got, we got the top 100 come out. And I guess we got Barkley, San Quas, Barclay, ranked as number one. Are you surprised it's a running back at the top? I'm not going to last. Over a quarterback.

Over a quarterback, I would say, yes. But Sequan is deserving of it. You know what I'm saying? Like, I do think there's been like his season, his year that he had, what he did for the Eagles, what he did for the city. Right. That's what they don't understand.

I'm not surprised by it at all. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. But I think... Especially what he did, coming to that team, that year. and going and getting the ultimate goal in the game is the reason they got him and he made that happen

he helped make that he was a huge part of that along with the season he had plays he had yes i'm you know i'm not upset about it i'm not surprised by it i'm good with it i'm good with it i'm happy for them and i'm happy that just the it shows the NFL players they don't like the way that some people saying like the contracts for running backs are going down it just shows that this is your players, your people, your peers.

You know what I'm saying? They recognize your game. They like this. This dude had the best season, is the best player in the league right now. And having Lamar Jackson, Josh Allen, Jamar Chase,

watching my homes right behind them speaks volumes. And I can see them saying that, man, that dude was the best player this season. You know what I'm saying? That's all you want from your peer. Hey,

speaking to that, what was your highest rating, Joe? 23. You know what your highest rating was? I don't know why I was. Oh, I know that. I was watching that during. I'm like, man,

man, they better get me lower than low. I got the 23. I was 39 and then 23. Yeah, 23 was my highest, though. Okay, okay. I couldn't even tell you what my highest was. I don't... We're going to get on that research, Janes.

I know you got to say for a time. I don't know. I don't know. How much you think guys care about that, though? I mean, honestly, if you... You just want to be recognized by your peers for what you do. And that's why we... I think we played it to be the best at our position.

We didn't just do it to be out there. So the recognition, like the grind, we're trying. We want to be the best that we can be. We're already in the league. And that's what happens. But now, once you're in the league, I want to be the best in the league. I want to be all pro. I want to go to the pro balls.

I want to win Super Bowls. So that's just in your own mental when you competing against yourself. Like, I'm in this joint. Here's the crazy to be. We won our first Super Bowl, which was in 2005, Detroit and I was a special teams player right and I mean it's what I'm going to say is going to sound kind of crazy but I was a special teams player okay I was like this don't this don't feel like you know what I what I see on TV I'm like well I'm like maybe it'll it'll feel different

you know if I was a starter and you know I'm you know I'm more of a part of the of the actual you know team for the host you know all that you know you fast forward to 2008 and you know we went in in Tampa and I remember sitting on the podium dude not not even the podium it was a camera that was out there and it had a little round cylinder around it so I sat down on on that and I'm looking around and this is going to sound crazy I was like it still feel the same it was like watching it on TV, bro

was way more exciting than actually being there and winning it. Like when you look at the TV, bro, like they, they sell you everything. So when you're looking at the TV,

you're watching every player celebrate here, celebrate there. So it's like, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom. Confetti all this. Dude, do, do, do. And I'm sitting there

and I'm like, I see the, graffiti falling. It's like cameras looking at me. And I'm like, yeah, it's cool, but it ain't like they show it on TV. Was your folks there? Was your family there? Yeah. Yeah, dude, I was so tired. As soon as the game hitting, it was over with. You was exhausted. I was exhausted, bro. I sat down. I just took my helmet off, dude, and I was just, I just had my head. like I was just like this and I look up and I'm looking around

and I'm just like damn it still ain't like you see it on TV damn brodie your ass was drained Debo yeah was mentally

I took two bags at half time bro see that's what I'm saying is this one is what's the one when you did the pick six yeah yeah

oh yeah you man you couldn't breathe yeah people you was exhausted listen I was actually hurt a little bit though because when I hit my head my neck hit the ground first and it kind of crunched

I started to jump back up and when I went to go jump back up it cracked again and R.C. was already standing and over and I'm like hey get the trainers. Get the trainer. I couldn't breathe either though

like real talk. I just couldn't believe you didn't fumble that joint too you held onto the rock hit your neck and scored, Debo. That was unbelievable, brother. I had a whole squad, man.

I had dudes that threw two blocks, bro. Oh, no, for sure. They helped me get down there. And that was something that we ended up practicing dude, like that whole week, dude, in Tampa when we were down there. And Coach LeBold was giving us the stats on your percentages of winning if you get a turnover, if you get a defense touchdown,

dude, it was something like it was close to 90% you get a defensive touchdown, dude. So that whole week, it didn't matter if we caught the ball and got a pick at the one-yard line. The whole defense ran. Taking it back to the house. They just waited for us to get back.

And, you know, practice made perfect. It's a mindset. Y'all went in that joint. If somebody gets it, we're taking it back to the crib. Yes. No matter what. No, we're going to pitch it back. We got to pitch it back.

But you, no, I'm going to get busy. I'm going to jump over, buddy. You know what I'm saying? Take it up. You know what I'm saying? I had my running back skills come out. Oh, you know what I'm saying? You had it high and tight.

I could have went. I could have it either way. At the end, I ain't going to rely. I ain't having it high and tight no more. I was kind of holding that mud like a loaf of bread like this. You know what I'm saying? I had it like this. The crazy thing is when Fitz came off the side,

if he had actually swiped down and just hit the ball, it would have popped out. He missed and hit my chest. It gave me time to cover it up. Okay. That was the only thing. I'm saying. That's what I was saying.

The running back skills was in play, you know what I'm saying? Speaking of running backs, we got a little thing from Thurmond Thomas here, rather than rewarding running back for production once their rookie contracts expired, Thurmond Thomas is upset that teams are instead letting them go and moving on to the next younger and cheaper player. He says, you still deserve a contract. The first team you put, the first team has put you through hell, and yet I'm still ready to go. Haven't had any injuries. Now, give me my damn money. It's not even

receiver money. It's like we're hanging with the punters and the kickers. What do you think of the comments first, but the use of running backs now? Like, what do you think has been the change why they don't i mean when you look at it like they're they're getting rid of guys younger and younger if you're not one of those top five running backs you're you're you know they're getting you out of there oh a thousand percent and like you said i ain't you know what it is it's a business so if you're they're going to use you up rookie contract then first three years you know what saying hopefully if you state that the part is they're expected to get hurt you know what i'm saying so the running backs and then you can draft the running back they say they're

say in the second round, the third round, you can get running backs a little bit all over. Jalen Warren, for example, he's a great running back that we didn't draft high, you know what saying, and ended up being able to sign up for the low. So it's messed up, but understanding like, Sequin Barclays are going to be the reasons why great running backs to end up just high production, you're going to have to take a shorter term deal with guaranteed money. These two years, fully guaranteed joints, if they're doing a two year for getting $15 million a year. Sequin just did a two year for $40 million extension. Now the market, the highest pay

running back is at $20 million a year. Understand that he got 36 guaranteed. It's going to be more guaranteed, a shorter term deal when you start coming off your rookie contracts. And it's just because you're going to get, it's 100% injury in the NFL. And they're giving you the ball all the time. So just got to be able to get on that for a little bit shorter term deal and just bet on yourself. It sucks, but it's the NFL. That's the way that they're going. And they're not trying to it is a business. So just keep that in perspective. And I love the way that the Eagles and Sequan, they did it right. You know what I'm saying? Cook and the bills. Just these little short term deals with 15, 16, 17, that's solid money. Hopefully, like when you get Sequan

to put it up to 20. We get another running back that continues, hopefully balls out, be John Robinson. Hopefully he can get up there and his next stay healthy. Get to 22. So I see it going up, but just knowing it's going to be more short term deals with guaranteed money because it's a business. You are running. back, they can figure out they can come get you, get you, get you, get you find somebody coming out of college or get somebody for a little bit less that's going to do. Yeah. It's good production.

Like, you know, when Thurmond Thomas played, it was, it was a totally, you know, it was a totally different game. Oh, yeah. It was, you know, it was run heavy. It was a physical game. And, you know, them guys, you know, play, play longer careers because that's what the game was. You had a big, you know, had a big office line.

You had a big defensive line. and you went out there and you tried to push the other guy around. He had a big footback. Right. And if you had a good running back, which were a nice fullback blocking, that's just what the game came to. Right now, it is a pass heavy game, dude. You know, everything they want to do is for scoring.

They did things that helped by, you know, changing the rules to make it easier for them to score. Exactly. Yeah, you know, it's offensive base rules for the majority of things. that's going on. Can't touch the quarterbacks. They make the wear and tear, you know, on a running back, especially if you're paying one running back that much, it's hard.

You know, you got a lot of people who are not a lot of teams. You've got a few teams who are now using, you know, a couple guys, you know, and finding a way to get the money situated to where they can, they can keep both. I think Detroit is one of those people that got it to. Yes. Got a great, you know, two runs. running backs over there that really, you know, compliment each other. You got a speed guy, you got a power guy, and, you know,

they're having some real success, you know, with their run game over there. That's the best combination, the best runner back combination, I think, in the league for show. Yeah. I got to figure out what their contract situation is, too, how much they make in the year, because however they finagled that, other teams need to look and see how to finagle that. Well, you've got to have, you got to have, here's the thing.

I think you've got to have guys who are, willing to be like I know what my worth is and have a realistic number of what their worth is although you want to get paid as much as you can at some point if you're trying to

do this to actually make money and for the longevity of it the longer you can play the more money you can make I think having two running backs is more beneficial for a person that is playing the running back position no I think so to you right

wearing tear on them, half the carry and just seeing, like, long as that money's looking good for you, you don't have to be the highest person to set the market, but if you're comfortable, your family's comfortable, you like your income, stay right there, keep it cruise, you know what I'm saying? So I don't think you need to always shake it up, always

try to get out of a situation like that, so I think for sure we're looking at, if I'm going to get the ball all the time, they're going to keep punishing me, is it worth it, or am I going to be able to play a little bit longer if I got another dude with me that I'm splitting carries with and we, you know what I'm saying, both could be here for a while.

Yeah, like you said, the workhorses go get paid. The money's going to go up. But as a whole at that position, you know, it's not. I can get, I can get a guy in here that, you know, he hasn't had multiple surgeries on his knee. You know, he's coming in, you know, fresh out of college. You know, they got the rules set to where these dudes aren't getting beat up like they used to. And now he's, and he's hungry.

You know what I'm saying? He's ready to get in there and try and take, right, try and take your spot. So, you know, it's easier to get that rookie contract. You get him in there for four years. You start looking at your other, the next guy you won't, you know, a year or two before you got to get rid of him. I mean, you're looking at the situation right now, like you said, with the Steelers. They went and got a top, you know, a top running back. And then they went and got another running back.

And who's sitting there right now with the contract and who did they let go? This is a prime example of it. What, you know, Thurman is talking about. Exactly. Yeah. Exactly. So speaking of the Steelers, Aaron Rogers, Tom Brady said that Aaron Rogers is the most talented quarterback in NFL history.

He said, Aaron and his prime, to me, is the greatest passer of the football that league has ever seen. He could get the ball from point A to point B faster and more accurate than any player in NFL history. What do you think of those comments? see so i'm going to say that i agree and this is just before before i even when i was when i was growing up this is 2002 2003 i'm watching aaron rogers and just from my i test it was Peyton manning and tom brady who is the better quarterback and i've like his in history like trying to get the super bowls and all that but with my eye test i thought Aaron rogers through the prettiest spiral through the best past that I've ever seen in my life.

Just the release of it, just the placement, just the way that he threw the ball. And that might not make him the greatest quarterback of all time with championships and Super Bowls. That's for other people to debate. But from my eye test, when I was watching, my best favorite quarterback I ever seen throw the ball and put it in the spot was Aaron Rogers.

And that is, without before Tom Brady saying this, this is the way I felt, you know what I'm saying, back in the day. And I would say, Tom Brady greater. Peyton Manning may be greater. But with my eye testing, how you put the ball in certain spots and spin that joint like that, I've never seen anybody spinning like Aaron Rogers, in my opinion. I would agree with you in time because the biggest thing for me is the speed at which he gets it there with the accuracy that he gets it there.

Believe me, I've seen it firsthand. And he's throwing this thing, it looks like with the flick of a wrist, dude, when he was doing it. And it's, it's on the money. And it's spiraling everything. Yes, it's like, it's like three, it's like three inches right out of your reach. And nobody can get it but the receiver, you know what I'm saying? And that's coming like lightning, you know what I'm saying? Like, it's, it was impressive.

I've been in situations. That was my first quarterback. I played him in my rookie season when I came out for the Browns. We played Green Bay in Lambeau Field, first game my career, first preseason game. he went 10 for 10 on us and threw a touchdown that's when he had like Donald Driver he had Jordy Nelson

You let him go 10 for 10? He went 10 for 10 and I'm right there in the pocket but I can't touch the ball the receiver can touch the ball Bing right out of my bed He caught the joint and then I tackled him Catch and tackle but I'm like Oh my I'm right here

Why are you still throwing it? Oh that's a pick? No it's not Oh my God right out of my reach I'm falling diving for the ball You know who I think was great like really great at throwing you out of being able to pick the ball. It was time, dude. You'd be like, oh, I'm done broke on this.

And he would throw the ball to where it's going over your head to the receiver over his shoulder. And you're like, you know, you know, looping it. Yes. And it, bro. So I know you've been the same. Jordy Nelson, I'm right there. And I'm like, he threw the fade ball. And I'm right there.

And it went right over my hand. I'm like, this dude is unbelievable. He's trying me. And I can't touch it. haven't touched the ball yet you couldn't even knock one down joe i didn't get no pbues none not one all completions they was catching it and i was tackling them i was like oh my god like this right on my hand oh my god he got it tackle bro it was crazy how many times you had that game man how many times he threw it on me i had three tackles

That man with three, he went 10 for 10, I told you he went three for three on me and three good tackles, boom, low tackles. Solid tackles, though. You made sure it went no yak, no yak, zero yak at all, zero yak. Yeah. Yeah, that's what I'm talking about. That's what I'm talking about, man. That was crazy.

Where was that at? It was in Lambeau Field, 2010. Was it cold? It felt like, to me, dude, he got back to be cold, man. It was beautiful outside. It was a beautiful day. It was, like, in August. Yeah, he was whipping that thing.

Man, he was spinning that ball so well. Yep, yep, yep, yeah, that's, that's one of those things you can't, you know, it's nothing you do you can do to defend great. No, no, no, it's not about me. It's about Aaron. It had nothing to do with me. Yeah, it's all about, it's all about, I was a nameless, I was a nameless great face. I was a nameless great face.

He saw through me that day. He saw through all of us. Dude, speaking to do about him or nothing about you. Let's roll over here to Miami, man. I guess Miami announced that their captains for 2025 season. And there was no Tariq on it. I guess for the first time since 2022, he was not voted a captain. Mike McDonnell.

And Mike McDonnell had a very revealing quote. He said, we were focused on giving the keys to the captains to the guys that had earned each and every day. That's what speaks to me the most is the football team that knows who it wants to be led by. Captain C to the guys. I got you. So, with that, Tariq not being selected, are you surprised? What's your reaction to that? I ain't going to lie to you, brother.

I'm not surprised at all. Did you know, you remember at the end of the season, I'm trying to be out of here. And you know, that could definitely at the end of the season. Not only am I trying to be out of here, this man pulled himself out of the game in the third quarter. Come on, brother. So we acting like, we acting like these are other grown men. These are your teammates that are voting for the captain. They seen that and like they wouldn't, people just not going to vote for that.

You know what I'm saying? They don't feel like you're all in. And you said you wasn't all in. I mean, you apologize and everything, but that's cool. You're still going to be able to come in there. They're going to respect you. And as long as you go out there and work. Yes.

I want you to work. I want you to play every day, be on time for meetings. And when you're out there, grind. And when you're on the field, grind and try to be the best you can be. be Tyreek, that's all I need. I need nothing, no more, no less. But making you a captain, after you said what you said, I'm not going to go in there filling no type of way,

but you can actually speak loud than words. You can show me better than you can tell me. You coming in there, working, grinding, doing what you got to do, leading by example is what it's going to be. But it's okay, you're not a captain. I was on the teams where I felt like I was a leader a couple of times that I wasn't a captain. I was never a captain when I was on the Steelers.

That's Cam Hayward, T.J. It's going to be a certain amount of captains. So when they come there, then you know you're still going to be a valuable part, just don't be bringing bad vibes. Come in here, do your job, and it's going to be what it is. Maybe next season, if you come in there, show leadership, do what you got to do, then you can be a captain. But you know how that is.

You told us, you got to be a part. They ain't going to, I'm not voting for you. Yeah, I think he let us emotional state right then get him into a situation that if he had just sat back and had time to cool off and think. about it, I don't think he would have did and said the same things at that point. I mean, when you go back to it, you know, that's his first time ever not being in the playoffs, bro. Yeah, you know, his first time, I believe, having to losing season in the NFL.

So I think it was a knee-jerk reaction, you know, to a situation that, you know, he saw as a permanent situation that may continue. you and was just like, yeah, I'm going to be out of here. Do you think it's cool, though, that he's not going to be a captain? Do you realize, you understand? I'm cool with it, dude. You're cool with it, okay. I'm 100% cool with it, dude.

I have no issue with it at all. Like you said, the team voted it, they, according to them, the team voted it, they made it to where they spoke by who they voted for. And, you know, that speaks for itself. It's sometimes where, you know, some teams you vote, but they end up picking who they want. No, you know what's you laughing for, Joe? I mean, you, that could be, that could be, could be, could be.

Yeah, I'm just saying, you know, I've heard, I've heard, I've heard, I've heard, I've heard, I've heard, I would like to hope that it's like the lottery and it's legit, but you never know. You never know unless you see it for yourself and then you saw it and you know. So I'm just saying there's some teams that actually do pick who it is. They want to be the leader for their team. And sometimes they disguise it under the, you know, the pretense of that's who the guys pick. But it's kind of hard when it comes down to, you know, and guys are like, you pick who? you pick who like who who voted for who oh okay so you know saying you're saying you just saying i'm i'm i'm catching what you're putting down you know what i'm saying but i ain't trying to you know

yeah i'm just saying that you know that that that happens so yeah okay okay that's all i was saying okay yeah but him not being voted i mean he even had you know he even understood it you know yeah no for sure he took accountability you know for what he said he he's not surprised that he wasn't voted captain. Yeah. You know, he's going to have to go in there and earn these guys, you know, trust back and all that. You know, you say that.

You're basically saying that you don't want to be with us no more because we trash. Like, you can't, you can't say that because you're not saying like us. You're saying like, it's you, Joe, you're trash. I don't want to be here. I need to get out of here because I can go and do way more without y'all. You know what I'm saying? Yeah, he's telling y'all are trash. I'm like, I've won on other teams.

I need to go with it. I was in Kansas City. They were better than y'all. I need to go back. Yes. That's what they felt like. For sure. Now we skip on over to Dallas, man.

Trayvon Diggs has finally came out and defended Micah saying that he felt everyone in Dallas, current locker room like Micah, and thinks the rumors likely came from former cowboys. He said, I think everyone liked him. I feel like there are some former players who are not here no more who didn't like Micah. There was a lot of us, I would say, there was a lot of, I would say, hate, jealousy, envy towards him because of who he is and the production he does on the field. Imagine if you came in here and you're thinking and you're taking somebody else, you're taking somebody else, you're taking somebody. shine or taking somebody's spot, you're not going to like that.

They're going to feel the type of way, especially if you're that type of person. Ooh, that sounds like shots fired. It does. You didn't name any names, but, I mean, do you think this was referring to DeMarcus Lawrence? Oh, I mean,

that sounds about right. They were saying, you take somebody's spot. there was i don't i'm just asking question i ain't look that's what i don't know i don't my name bennett and i ain't in it but i mean the descriptions of what he's saying it says i think everyone liked him i feel like there's some former players who are not here no more who didn't like michael there was a lot of i would say hate jealousy envy those of personal words towards him because of who he is and the production he does on the field.

So imagine if you came in here and you're taking somebody's shine. So he took somebody, he was taking somebody's shine, right? And taking somebody's spot, you're not going to like that, right? No. You're going to feel a type of way, especially if you're that type of person. Now he's saying that person is that type of person, too. So I don't, I'm just asking a question to you. Like, do you think he was referring to anybody in specific?

Maybe DeMarcus Lawrence or you, I don't know. Did you think yes or no? This, this what I'm. Could it possibly be? That's what I'm saying. It sounds like he's talking about somebody to play defensive end because he said taking his spot. Right. So we don't go from there.

A previous defensive end that did there. I would say, I love Trayvon Diggs coming out because nobody really came out in defense of Michael Parsons. I know that these dudes kick it. They hang out. That's his boy. So from Trayvon's perspective, it could be literally what it is. Like, that's my man's week who. Trayvon also has his bag and knows that Michael Parsons out there bawling deserves his bag.

He's been playing with me. We've been doing this together. So he's out there, I think, trying to defend for his man's. I don't know of the person that's not on the team anymore, but it sounds like another defensive end that was there that maybe, Debo, say, it's like, yeah, obviously, you know what I'm saying? Like the same situation when we have, it's like you and T.J. come in where he's like, they're not, maybe they didn't tell DeMarcus.

Maybe they tried to play with him a little bit. You know what I'm saying? Like, they tried to play with you and T.J. a little bit. You know what I'm saying? Like, that's probably, probably how it was. and DeMarcus don't play that. So he's probably vocalized how he felt. You know what I'm saying?

And I think that some of that stuff, it doesn't have nothing to do with maybe Micah and Micah and his relationship as much as he thinks with DeMarcus and the Cowboys organization. You know what I'm saying? He might have talked to them, maybe not rocking. Oh, you drafted this dude. Oh, what are y'all things going on?

I'm just trying to go from Devil's Advocate because there's always two sides of the story. I don't know what happened with Micah. I don't know what happened with DeMarcus, with Trayvon what he's saying I'm just trying to put pieces of the puzzle but I just sounded like the puzzle Yeah the puzzle kind of

it kind of fitting you know the pieces is fitting you know when you line it up so I think it's a possibility will I give a definite yes or no no I can't do that no that's not we can't do that that would be

that would not be that would be disingenuous a thousand percent to the argument. Come on, Debo. Right. Exactly. So now, speaking of Michael Parsons, Dan Campbell said,

Dan Campbell, we know what kind of player Michael Parsons is. We'll have a plan. Because Michael Parsons put the Packers over the lines in the NFC, Norfolk, do you think? I mean, it helps them out a lot.

I mean, I don't see, I don't see why not. I mean, the Packers are not a bad team. Jewel and Love has been playing really good. They beat. They've been they did good last season. And with just adding another defensive player, that's going to help out their secondary.

That's going to help out their pass rush. And I don't think they have nowhere to go but up since Drew and Love with another year under his belt. He's done nothing but proved to me that he can actually be a franchise quarterback. So if he can be a franchise quarterback and Michael Parsons can help that defense out because they don't look bad. They look like they're on

up and up. They're drafting well. They're moving in the right direction. So Packers are up for me. And like I said before, I've seen them. They made a Reggie White trade with a quarterback. They made a Charles Wilson trade with the quarterback. And now they got Joy and Love and then they made this Michael Parsons trade. I'm liking them dudes knowing when they need to get a crazy piece on defense because they have a franchise quarterback.

So I think the Packers is looking like they know what they're doing. Yeah, I'm going to go what I think it puts the Packers. as the guys in the NFC North right now. You added in a pass rusher. The games that, you know, they've played over last year or two have been close games, when you take into account, you know,

that the Lions, I believe, lost their O&D coordinator to head coaching positions. You got a change right there. You got Hutchison coming back off of, you know, messing up his leg. You got to build that, confidence back at going out there,

especially, you know, how he, you know, ended up messing his leg up. He swung around. So you got to get used to how long that's going to. I hit and swing around is, you know, he's back full 100%. But to get out there in live action, when those bodies are

flying around, it's a little different. But I think, you know, having Micah there and you add him in there with the current defensive line that they have, I think it puts them over the top, these three-point games, you know, that's going to go ahead and actually change where it's a SAC FOMO now.

Yeah. That three-point game can be a switch from, you know, a loss to a win of three points or or six points or seven points, whatever that may be. Yeah. They're a game changer. Yes, definitely game changer. Like, there's no question about it. Yeah.

So now let's get back. to our Steelers then. Okay. What you want to hit? Tell me what this. I want to talk about your man. Adam Sheffler. Shefter is talking about

Cam Hayward maybe sitting out for the season opener. Cam sitting out for the season. What's going on over there? Give me a good. I don't know. I think he got two years left on this contract, don't you?

He just signed a two-year extension. He got two more left. I think he signed it. He signed a two-year extension last off-season, which gave him this year and next year for contracts. So he got this year and he has a deal for next year. So last off-season signed the two-year extension because he only had one year left on his deal.

So then he played that and now he has this one and next year from the extension he signed last year. Yeah. So he did sell out a portion of training camp and didn't rule out sitting at the start of the regular season until he gets what he wants. Hayward was practicing with the team on Monday, which suggests. he's going to play but Adam Schaeffner says there's still a possibility Cam Hayward doesn't suit

up they're not they haven't they have not been able to figure it out and so I would think it's going to be really interesting to see if

Cam Hayward is on the practice field on Wednesday as distillers get ready for their season as distillers get ready to open their season on Sunday against the Jets. It's about to get interesting there. And again, maybe Cam Hayward says, I'm not going to play on this deal. It didn't sound that way earlier in the summer, but we'll find out.

What the deal looked like, Joe? What's that from the deal? The deal was two years, $29 million. So first year, this season, this year he'd be making $14.7. and next year he'd be making like 14.2. So I think he's looking, I mean, I, I love the Steelers because, I mean, this is going to be, Cam's going to new year, what, 13, year 13, 14. So, I mean, his production and everything, I understand what he's saying, has not slipped.

So there's defensive tackles. I think the, I think it's up there. Well, defense, we got defensive ends, obviously now, $47 million a year with Micah Parsons. We got T.J. White at 41. We got Miles Garrett at 40. And he's kind of looking at it with him making 14.7 Pro Bowls and all that stuff. Like, just like, maybe they don't deserve double what I'm getting. I mean, maybe they deserve double of what I'm getting.

Not triple. So he's making 14.6. Maybe Cam just wants a little $6 million bonus. You know what I'm saying? To make it around $20 million. But he did sign the extension. I can see where the Steelers are coming from where a man can. This is going to be year 13, year 14, year.

14. We got 14.7. We got 14.2 the next two years. Yeah. Yeah. That ain't. You're good. We're giving you real bread. So I can see where they coming from. And then with Cam, as the player, as production wise, what he has done is a little up from what his, what his contract is making. But you can see how it's a little bit of both. This is like his fifth contract with the Steelers. And it's not bad deal. Like, yeah, it's not. A defensive tackle on year 13, 14, making 14, 7, 14, 2. That's those are good numbers. Those are good numbers.

So it's not a disrespectful thing, but for Cam being the player, knowing this is going to be kind of his way out trying to get as much as he possibly can because it is a business. He knows if he was playing bad, they might have did some other stuff. They might have let him go.

He could have just let him slide. You know what I'm saying? But he knows the reason why he is still there is because of his production. It's not no friendly stuff. It is because, you know what I'm saying? I'm performing on the field. Yeah, I just, I don't know.

know what it is that makes me think that he's not going to sit out unless i tell you what i see cam sitting out only if in his head he's saying i'll retire if you don't give me what i want that's the only way i see him sitting out because if you sit out like you got two years on your deal what you go do sit out till it's over with for a couple years yeah and at the I think the only way he would sit out is if the thought process is, if I don't get what I want, I'm not going to play for this, and I'll just retire because it's not worth it. I need to do it at this number and put my body through whatever it is that I need to do to get ready and stay ready for the season. That's the only way I see him actually. He kind of playing this year is that he says.

That sounds like, that sounds like an Aaron Donald, like an Aaron Donald. Knowing, end of the day, he can walk away unless he gets the number he wants. If he doesn't feel like $14 million a year, touching the tax is an $8 million to go to this thing. He's like, no, I should be making $20 or I could tuck $10, 11, like $12 million, you know what I'm saying, after this season, then it's just really he's good. You know what I'm saying? I mean, that sounds crazy to say, but being able to be in Cam and be in the position that he is, like with his body, with his family, not wanting to do it, that would be, I think, like you said, that would be the way, being able to sit out and be like this, I'm willing to walk away.

But I think Cam's still ready to play, still wants to go. And if you do play Cam, you still got another 30 M's, you know what I'm saying, coming in these next two seasons. So I will hunker down. Yeah, I would, yeah, I ain't going to like this. I did. I did it for way less, baby. You know what I'm saying?

What? But, you know, I wasn't trying to count anything else, but what, you know, was good enough for me to go out there and play and be okay with it. A thousand percent. And that's on what that's, and that's on cam. He knows, he knows this number. He knows what's going to make him good and what he feels like he deserves. So more power to him because that's my good man.

He'll be a baller. He's going to hopefully everything works out for sure. Hopefully it works out, you know, even if it don't, hopefully it still works out. You know what I'm saying? Look, look, we'd be. talking about my man taking 14-7 or getting some more money. So it's just a win-win. No question. So Matthew

Stafford will start the season opener against the Texans. Will Stafford finish the season as he deals with an aggravated disc in his back? I don't know.

I don't know. I love Matthew Stafford, man. I played against him since he was at Georgia and I was at Florida. He had AJ Green there. So we had some battles ever since 2008. So I love his game. He also has a cannon of an arm, great competitor, plays hurt. You know what I'm saying?

Like, I really, really love his game. But you know, that thing, that health, that thing is always going to catch up what you can. Nobody run away from that. So I think as long as his line tries to keep him up right, but he's a gangster, he's going to stay in the pocket. He's going to stare down the barrel. So, I mean, it's just, I don't know. Depending on what I look like, I don't know. I think as long as he doesn't have a catastrophic event where it like just totally herniates, he'll be able to make it.

Because I myself went through a whole 14 weeks all the way up to the Super Bowl where I had herniate this in my back. And it was the year we, it was the year we ended up. losing to Green Bay in the Super Bowl. So I'm sitting there, dude, and you know, as the beginning of the week goes on, you know, I'm taking the T-shot and

the T-shot would make it go away. So I would play, you know, my first game was cool, you know, second game was a cool, third game I took to the T-shot and I'm like, yo, I can still feel something. So I believe it was the fourth game came along and it wasn't touching it no more. I'm like, yo,

like, y'all got to check out what's going on getting these pains down my legs like you know i'm getting the sciatic pain i'm getting this stinging pain in my in my achilles you know all that and you know it got to the point to where you know i was playing and i go to step on that foot to turn the corner dude my whole leg just boom gone oh no i just fall right so they did an MRI they do the MRI i go in and uh they're like get the MRI report and doc like yo you need to come in so i go in and he's testing me out and he's like james you know just looking at your back you know i would say that you you need to have something done right now he said but you know you're testing out strong and all that and

i'm like yeah i'm strong when i'm strong but when it ain't it's gone yeah you know what i'm saying so basically it was an option of get the surgery now you're out six weeks right or get the surgery after the season. So I'm like, well, let's just get the surgery now, man. You know what I'm saying? Okay. Well, end up talking to, you know, I guess the training staff and everything else and whatever.

And they're like, well, let's just go until, you know, you can't go anymore. So I'm like, all right, cool. I'm like, I'm willing to do it anyway. You know what I'm saying? I want to play. I want to win. I want to help my team, you know what I'm saying? Because I looked at my dudes as family, you know what I'm saying?

That's 100%. What year was this? This was 2010, man. But the year, the year they, the year before they locked us out. So I go and I'm playing and do it. I had two times where, you know, I had one time they had to come get me. I couldn't get out to bed, bro. I had two times where I actually got a epidural dude on a...

Like a pregnancy epidural? Yes. So they take, they take and they do. do it, you know, a fluoroscope guided and they go to the site where the disc is, and they inject cortisone and some numbing stuff. Sorry, cortisol. Yeah, cortisol and some numbing stuff.

So when they hit it, it's like, boom, I'm like, oh, because it's taking that pressure off of the nerve that the disc is pressing on. So it was my S1L5, L5, L4. It was my lumbar, so it was pressing all those nerves. So I was getting a sciatic, and that's why, you know, a couple of times, my leg just drop and give out on you know what i lose lose power and all that yeah yeah so

i go and i you know i play through it you know but you played the whole season with that being able to go i play i play yeah i played 12 weeks with it being able and i also was getting a lot of soft tissue work so i was doing things like you know i was getting dry needle so i was getting my pair of spinal's needle which is the muscles in between your your spine to make sure that you know i was able to keep that as loose as possible so it didn't squeeze down on that nerve, right? What was your practice schedule like? I practiced normal, bro. Practice normal.

I practiced normal. I didn't change nothing about my practice, right? Like, I love to practice because I'm not a person that could sit there and look at a scheme. I need to be out there doing it. I need to feel what I'm going to get. No, no, no, for sure. So I go through, I go through that whole thing, man. I get through the season and we get done.

done we lose the Super Bowl right so I'm sitting there and I'm like okay they're like well you know let's go ahead and do the surgery now I'm like you know let's hold off you said it's a possibility that it could retract back whatever da da right so they're like ah well they're about to lock us out I don't know if you want to wait that long and um you know it's kind of close to the nerves that control your bowel and bladder function I say what that mean well if it's You get piss and poop on yourself. I thought it meant. I'm like, so you got to do this time.

I ain't tell me this. I could have been shit back 12 weeks ago. Like, come on. So ended up getting the surgery. And here's the crazy thing. It's like, I know my body so well, brother. I'm sitting there and I'm like seven days out of surgery. And I'm like, dot, hey, something they write.

I'm still filling a little something on there. Like, oh, it might be, you know, in terms of, oh, it might be swelling or whatever. I'm like, no, it ain't swelling. I know my body, man. It's not. So they had me go do another MRI. He'd come back in. He said, yeah, we got to go back in.

We didn't get it all. So what they missed, Debo? They had to go up another level. He was trying to be conservative and keep as much disin there as he could, but he couldn't. So it went back in. So I had two back surgeries in nine days and didn't. do none of my therapy with the team because they locked us out. So I did all my therapy with my trainer in Arizona.

You know what I'm saying? Yeah. And I do it. I think that was the best thing that ever happened. You wanted to do that. He took care of you. Yes, definitely, dude, definitely. I know guys that had it done, and I think one or two guys had it done the same year I did,

and neither one of them played more than two more years after that. I played another seven. So, you know, I did the right thing to take care of my body to make sure that I actually helped fix what was causing the issue. That's like a lot of guys who go and have these knee issues and they say, oh, well, you know, it's just wearing terror. Well, it ain't wearing terror. It's probably a muscle, especially when it's in your knee. It's a muscle that's somewhere in your quad, your hamstring, even in your calf that's not firing the same. So if you fix that firing of the mechanism of the muscle, the knee now works in that.

same groove correctly and you don't get to wear and tear. But what they do is they treat the symptom. The symptom is that it's now not moving correctly. And the symptom is it's now shaving off cartilage. So what do they do? They go in there, drain your knee, or they scope it down. Instead of actually fixing the problem. Yes. Yes. Yes. Put a mandates on stuff. Right. Right. So I think it's a possibility as long as he has a good, team behind him that he could, he could finish the year, like I said, bearing any real, you know, catastrophic, you know, thing that would cause it to actually totally herniate or God for being a rupture.

That's just, man, that's, that's his left tackle, making sure he don't get blown by. And he, Matthew Stapp. It's so easy to get that back blown out from it. I'm telling you, man, that quarterback, man, the quickest way Matthew Staff would be out of there as a blindside. So Vegas has Lamar Jackson as the top for the MVP odds. Raining MVP, Josh Allen, Joe Burrell, and their, can't see that word. Harris beneath beyond him are plus 600 and Patrick Mahomes rounding out the top four at plus 650. Ooh.

Is this the year Lamar Jackson puts it all together. not only wins the MVP, but puts up the Lombardi Trophy, brother. What do you think? So, you know, obviously, we're in the North, play for the Steelers. That's why I'm saying, no, I'm hate. I know you're going to hate. I'm a hate. I'm from Maryland, you know what I'm saying?

So honestly, this is my thing. Patrick Mahomes has so many of the rings. He's controlling the AFC North. I love him. I love Patrick Mahomes, too. It's a good man, him and Trave. But what I want is Lamar, I just don't want people to keep disrespecting Lamar's greatness. And I don't think if he doesn't get a Super Bowl ring, then people won't understand how great Lamar Jackson really is and what he's really doing in this league.

So, I mean, he's going to MVP odds every season, regular season, they're going to ball out. Lamar Jackson has his legs. He's quick. He's fast. He's going to do Lamar Jackson things the whole season. And they got a solid defense too. You think he's going to get that Lombardi this year? I thought, for real, it was last year.

So this year, I'm going to say no. I thought last year was the year. They looked so good. I was honestly quietly rooting. I was rooting for him. I was ruling for Lamar. But then last year, when I was like this, what happened? It just didn't happen.

Yeah, it seemed like they get into the playoffs and health issues with guys not being there, and then they just unraveled. I don't know. And I don't know what it is. I don't know what's going on. on it for him i don't yeah but i didn't go lie i would rather anybody else won it except for cleveland Cincinnati or Baltimore i was okay i know what you're saying but i know what you say bro i'm hating i give a lie to you man i think we about out of time man

you gotta be honest be honest obviously you don't want them to win no question no question bro no question listen like we like i said we bought out of time, man. I want to thank you guys for joining us for this podcast of Debo and Joe, hit the like button. Subscribe. We'll be back at it on Friday. We'll be back Friday. Make sure you subscribe to Debo and Joe, or I'm going to have Debo. Yo. I don't even know what this is, but I think that's my son's way of putting up three now. I told him to put it up like that, but I don't know if you listen but this is three now.

I seen it in a movie where it got a dude killed because he was supposed to put up three, but he put up three like this and they knew that that wasn't the right three because that area they put up three like this so they knew he was a spy. Got shot up.

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