Nightcap - Best NFL Interviews Radio Row Part 1: Ja'Marr Chase, Tee Higgins, Fred Warner, Romeo Doubs, More!

Episode Date: February 7, 2026

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson live from San Francisco Radio Row for Super Bowl LX featuring the New England Patriots and the Seattle Seahawks! Unc & Ocho are joined by Ja'Marr Chase and Tee Higgins, Fred Warner, Romeo Doubs, and much more! Download the PrizePicks app today and use code SHANNON to get $50 in lineups after you play your first $5 lineup! https://prizepicks.onelink.me/LME0/NIGHTCAP (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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1A, 1B, the greatest receivers in the NFL. Matter of fact, matter of fact, Jamar Chase, T. Higgins, they need no introduction, me introduce them anyway. Jamar had 125 catches, 1,112 yards, 8 touchdowns. T had 59 catches, 846, and 11 touchdowns. But unfortunately, that was not enough because Joe got hurt, and they ended up going 6 and 11 3rd in the AFC. I'm going to start with you, Chase.

Bro, you know, you've been in this situation before. Not here, but you've been in the Super Bowl. You know what it takes. And once you get that taste in your mouth, it's kind of like a dog once he bites somebody. You've got to be very, very careful because he wants to continuously bite. Once you got that feeling, what is it going to take for you for this to be a normal occurrence where you guys compete, really compete for a championship year after year?

Yeah, everybody knows the turn of defense on championship. And we got to start that first. First things first, we got to work on that, and then we can worry about the offensive side. We got the weapons for that. We've been having the weapons, but by far, everybody knows we've got that defense right to get back here. T. I got a question. put your GM head on. You're the GM, you're Mike Brown,

you're Katie, you're Duke, any of those people that are in positions of power that can make the change as necessary to make sure we get the opportunities to always be in contention, not the ASC North. I'm talking about throughout the entirety of the league and being in the postseason.

What changes do you think need to be made? Keep it PC, but just if you were in that position, what do you think needs to happen? I feel like, to me, I would go and get, you know, somebody on the interior D-line. Yes.

Max Crosby. Jeffrey Simmons. Look, he said that earlier. He both said that earlier. I said Max Crobby. I said Max Crobby. He said Jeffrey Simmons. See?

That's two dollars we're going to need for sure. I like it. For sure. You have to, like you said. Because at some point in time, look, you won the Triple Crown last year. And guess what? Mr. Playoffs. I have another 125 catch, 400 catch season.

Mr. Playoffs. You're in the Pro Bowl. Mr. Playoffs. At some point in time, I love these individual stats. But I play a team sport. If this was 10. If this was golf, I'm good. I'm Gucci.

But we play team sports, and I want to have teams except. Yeah, that's the main thing. Like, yeah, all the individual's success, that's cool. You know what I mean? But we play the game to make it to the Super Bowl at the end of the day. So if we're not doing that, then we're not doing nothing for the organization. One of the other problems that we've always had as a team, for one, being able to compete week in and week out.

It's not the elephant in the room because this happened many times in his short career. How do we keep Brother 9 healthy? How do we keep him healthy for a full season so we can have that consistency? Offensive line. What? Offensive line. Excuse me.

Come on. How do we keep our brother upright? How do we keep him healthy for a full season so we can have those chances to be talking about competing in the Super Bowl? Honestly, I mean, like he said, offensive line, but I don't think we need a new offense line. I'm going to be honest.

They did a good job. Yes, sir. And the show, stats could prove it, you know what I'm saying? So I feel like the biggest thing, that's more of an off-the-field thing. I'm not saying he don't take care of his body, but that do come in him to play. Maybe he got to do more with itself, you know what I'm saying? So that could be a him thing, maybe to eat him.

You know what I'm saying? So it's a lot of different ways you can look at that on the opinion side, but, you know, at the end of the day, it's really going to be a hymn thing. He's been listening to Ocho and talking about eating McDonald? No, he doesn't listen to me. He don't eat McDonald's. He don't. See?

You don't. I'm the only one that eat McDonald's a locker, I'm asking him. That shit at my locker every morning. See what I'm talking about? Take him to the groom. They are. See, now you get a better understanding. Those in the chat that are listening, you heard what to eat?

You heard what to eat? That's why the success is what it is. You ain't seen, you saw the clip. You saw a little clip of Joe in McDonald's? You didn't see that? You ain't see it? He was sitting down in there. Yeah, he was sitting down to McDonald's.

So I'm telling you, he'd probably take heed about, you know what? Let me listen to what Ocho been saying. And I'm going to just, yeah. Are you guys the best duo in football? Yeah. Yeah, I believe so. Yeah, I believe so. Man, talk your shit, man.

Don't do that, man. I ain't got to pop it too much, man. I don't need to pop it too much. Okay, okay, okay, okay. Because if I start popping it too much, it's too much. Nah, T. Everybody's going to say it with you. You say it, T. You're all the best duo in football?

Feel like so. Yeah, yeah. No, don't say it like that, man. Yeah. You said it. Look, since he wanted me to pop it some of us, let's turn on the film and look at duo tapes. There we go.

Let's turn on the film. Let's turn on the duo of the two of you want to go there. That's all I need to see. Speaking of duos in the NFL, is there another duo that you guys appreciate and like watching? I like C.D. Lime and George Pickens. Ooh. I like that. That's a great duo, you know what I'm saying?

They compliment each other. Right. That's a good one. That's a good one. Do you see a picture? I've always said, I would love. I would love. And people, they get on me.

Well, you didn't say that when it was time for tea and then Chase, I've been vouching for George Pickens to go somewhere else where he can get his true value and what he's really worth, because I understand how Jerry Jones is going to play when it come time to pay. And what Piggins, to me, is shown is he can be a true number one, have his own team outside of having a share of catches with Cudy Lamb. What's your thoughts on George Piggins? Stan in Dallas or going to somewhere else where he can have his own team and be the number one?

I can see both. You know what I'm saying? Real? I could. You know what I'm saying? Like, he got another guy on the other side that the defense has got to focus on, you know what I'm saying? So that open him up kind of like how we.

how we go, you know what I'm saying, but at the same time, dude good enough to go take over a team, you know what I'm saying? Sure. I got to agree with that, though. I feel like, I don't know. I like that Batman Robin shit. You know what I'm saying?

I like that. I like that. You know what I feel like it. It's just a lot more production coming out of the duo thing than the single person thing. You know what I'm saying? It's easy to lock your ass down when you by yourself, bro.

And I always tell him this shit when I'd be playing by myself sometimes because I be, he can see me come to the, the bench and I'm pissed off and he's like bro I'd be like you know so I got to go take me a strode on the side line to come back to know I'm like Hey leave him alone

yeah like you know how I am it gets to a point where it get aggravated when you buy yourself so that's why I always I was like you know what I need tea not for me but it's helping the whole offense you know what I'm saying now it's opening up the run game not a passing game now we now we're going any down we can pass a ball every down

and they don't know right right right but I think the thing is for for me for George, and because you see a guy at his size, huge cage radius, he can catch the ball in traffic, he's physical, he's great run after the catch, he can take a smoke ride and go 80, or he can take it off the over the top for 60. But when I look at him, he had to leave Pittsburgh because he had gotten comfortable, because he had gotten comfortable doing things his way. So he needed to go somewhere else where they weren't going to accept that. And once he locked in, he's like, well, damn. You mean to tell me I could do this? I got 15 hundred yards in me.

Yes. And I also think he was in the better offense. Yes. I'm about to say. I think that's what it more was. You know what I'm saying? I don't think it's him getting used to some because you could get bored with it over time, but I think also what's around you can make that character.

But you can ever, ever, ever, professional. You could never let your circumstances dictate how you play. It was dictated how he played. Yeah, but that. I don't think that you're a lot more than that. Yeah. It's a lot more than that. Because everybody got their opinion on what he got doing.

what he's doing in that locker. You know what I'm saying? Don't nobody really know what's going on. Then we get, you judging for somebody else. Don't nobody know what he's going through. You know what I'm saying? I just look at him on the tape.

I just look at him. I mean, he said it. You saw against Detroit on Thanksgiving. He has a tendency to drift. And he's not the first. I don't want people to think, well, I'm saying George Pickings is the first receiver.

It happens a lot because what we would do with our number one receiver, we get him involved early so we could have him late. Because if I, why am I asking, why am I going to throw Chase the ball? I'm going to go the whole first half and I ain't going to give, I am I going to give Chase any catcher. Then come for a quarter, hey, Chase, you ready? No, I ain't ready.

I was ready in the first half. T. T. What do I say when I come back to the sideline sometimes? I'm tired of the superhero shit. I'm fucking taking a superhero. You know what I'm saying? So like some of that, that happens sometimes.

Right, right. And like you said, you're a fucking pro. Yes. And they're going to expect you to make this shit. They give you this money. They're going to expect you to me. So what you got to do? Give it to me.

If you give it to me early, I ain't saying you got to throw me 15 balls in the first quarter. Right. But I'm saying- Three-target is a quarter. That's all you need. That's it. Give me an opportunity. I just want to touch the ball.

Throw me a smoke. Throw me a slant. Yeah. Throw me a jail break screen. Just give me something. I want to touch the ball. But y'all want me to go. Y'all didn't ask Michael Jordan to wait to the fourth quarter of the football or COVID?

It's different, though. We're not about to put basketball and football at the same time. That nigga, MJ could take, that nigga could pass the ball. He's going to do this in front of the-and-and-you-go-throw that'll be right back. I got to wait for Joe to hike the ball from the center. I got to run past two defenders, cut this. It's a lot more. But that's what, but see, they know how to get you the ball.

When you go on the sideline and you say leave him alone, he acting up, Zach. So you said why they got to wait until that long? Yeah. I understand that. I'm saying? Why I got to show out? Why don't you show by me? Sometimes the game take you away.

You know what's funny? I think it happens all the time is I think coaches at times they overcomplicate things. It's really easy. It's simple. There's a scheme, the tactics, and if you want to get a player, you want to get a player the ball,

you can get a play the ball. You can get them the ball early. Yes. You don't have to get it to him often, but just to get him involved, let T. touch it, let Chase touch it. Okay, now I can run my offense. Yes.

Now, when the time comes, and the defense dictates, okay, now we can get them the ball, then allow the floor of the offense to go through them. Hey, hey, they don't throw me the ball in the whole first half and they come to the first quarter. Hey, 84, what you like? I would like to get the ball in the first half. That's what I would really like.

Now y'all want me to be an officer coordinator. Y'all told me to stay in my place earlier. Now, y'all want me to be the officer coordinator. Yeah. Nah, I'm good. Yeah. Keep doing spreading around. You know, we're going to spread it around,

get everybody involved. Go ahead and get everybody. I mean, and we got a quarterback that want to spread it around, too. You know what I'm saying? So, like, that's why me and Tee get alone so much, you know what I'm saying? Because we got a quarterback that's going to spread it around. Right. It's like, it's not like we're going to into the game.

Like, it might be a game where we know 100% like, motherfucker. We feed T, we feature in the hell of it. You know what I'm saying? You might know a couple of games. But other than that, we don't have those powers. Yeah. Bro, you don't know how to chase. You had 23 targets in the game, Chase.

But listen, sometimes I don't even know that. I don't know that. He got to come to me and be like, bro. Flacco game. He'd be coming to me like, bro, you know you got 15 targets? I'm like, huh? Like, you know, I just found out how to work the iPads on. Look at my shit.

I'm looking at my shit. I just found that out. And he'd be telling me, I don't never know until you tell me. Right. So tell us what you got a podcast now, right? Yeah. So tell us about the podcast. What you're talking about?

Yeah, so I got a podcast called Chase and No One. with overtime and I got T helping me star in it so I'm gonna get in a little little bit of that you know what I'm saying try to get y'all on you know we have some topics about that so I'm gonna try to be in

every bit of a topic as I can right right so is this gonna be is gonna be your round it's gonna be an offseason thing how do you propose I want to do it in season for real that's the biggest thing right you know what I'm saying I want to try to give one episode during

during the week okay okay okay that's not bad but I'm not gonna push it Tuesdays bingo you know what yeah yeah yeah I got it's I got a schedule out that's my goal though right you get it during the season because that's more of like,

now they see how I'm thinking during the season. You know what I'm saying? What I got to say about the games, you know what I'm saying? And a lot of questions are going to be about what's coming up for my game, what I'm going to try not to answer. Right, right, right. But that's the part of that I want to show the fans, you know what I'm saying, also from T. Is it going to be live or is it going to be taped?

It's some live, some tape. You know what I'm saying? Sometimes I'm going to try to stream from Twitch. Right now I'm live on Twitch. Right. I'm doing that to help it out, so it's going to be combined with overtime. Right. So is it just going to be about the time?

Are you going to let them see your day-to-day life? Okay, guys, we're going to work out. Here I'm going to eat. Here I am. Tia and I, Chase and I, T and I, we play in games. We're playing people. We playing mad. Yeah.

So my Twitch is really for like day and a life of behind the scenes. Okay. So the camera follow me everywhere. Okay. And then the podcast is like me talking about your football life. Football life. You know what I'm saying? And now they're seeing two different perspectives.

And I also do a YouTube channel too. I got a YouTube where I drop videos. He has one too, so, you know, I just showing off, you know, behind the scenes of a lifestyle of everyday lifestyle. There's a lot of people want to know next questions about stuff like that. Right. I like it. I like it. How did you guys become so close?

Because it seems like you guys are like, like, you guys are almost like brothers. I mean, you guys are like really close. Y'all do a lot of things together. I see you guys in Miami. I think y'all purchased. Y'all got cars. You got somebody got a McLaren, somebody got a Lambo. And then, you know, you guys are, I mean, how did you guys?

you guys become so close? I feel like, you know, that first year, you know what I'm saying? Preseason, he come in, you know what I'm saying? He took a year off. He dropping balls. I go to the serial cause. I'm like, I'm like, Troy, man. I don't know, man.

I don't know about this kid, you know what I mean? But then, man, you know, just working together, man. Every seeing each other every day, you know what I'm saying? The bond just got closer and closer. And it was just no-brainer. Hey, the off-season is here now. Obviously, what do you guys doing this off-season, away from the game of football?

Me? You know what I'm saying? I'm down in Florida, joining the weather, man. I'm trying to stay away from the cold. Oh, so you down the street. Stay with the cold, but we just had, it was 40 degrees out of the day. I was here. What you're doing? What's you doing this all season?

Before you get back in the groove of working out? Really, I'm just, you know, I got the podcast going, I'm trying to do the twist. I'm trying to do a little more off-to-field stuff, trying to get my off-to-field stuff going for me. You're trying to build your brand. Yeah, building the brand up. So that's the biggest thing I want to do first.

And then, you know, I'm into the fashion stuff, so I'm going to try to go to, like, Paris and the line for the fashion world. You want to do a fashion line, or you just like, you just, obviously, is that something you're interested in? I mean, open that door. Since you want to say that, Fabletics. Yes. You know what I'm saying?

I'm with Fabletics, you know what I'm saying? This is my thing. So I'm coming out with, right now, I already have a drop right now for the 2026 year. I already dropped the line. Okay. And then I'm going to drop another line after that in 2027, try to come a little more cozy or feel, a little more swat, swag style with it.

Can I get a package? Yeah, I'm doubling and dabbling a lot right now. I'm trying to, all that. Can I get a package? I gotcha. You know, I'm aware. I'm in the fashion, too. That's easy.

Just send me the size is the way it's going. I'm a large. I'm a large. What is it about fashion? Because you see a lot of NFL player. It wasn't like that when I played. It wasn't. Guys come with cover all, blue, you know,

it came, flip-flops and everything. And you see guys now a little bit more fashion for them wearing more of the designer. They're more focused and more conscious of their looks. What do you think, what contributed to that? And why is that important to you two? Well, me, I'm cool laid back. I'm throwing on sweats, t-shirt, black forces, and I'm cool. You know what I mean?

But I did bit and dab a little bit in fashion. I don't really take it too serious. You take it serious. Yeah, I take it. I take it seriously. Yeah, I take it seriously. Like he said, I could mix it up. Like, the thing about me, like, I don't care about being judged

if I'm coming in like real like baggy jeans, you know what I'm saying? Overside stuff like that. Because I know it's really the appearance in how I am as a person that's what's going to give off. You know what I'm saying? And my clothes just make me feel better about my character when I'm talking at the end of the day. And that's what's going to give me that edge on my swag on how confident I am when I walk into our office. And I'm talking about fabletics. You know what I'm saying?

That's just how my mind going to work about it. And over time, I just got around more fashion world. and just how it works, I just started to like it over time. You know what I'm saying? And I started at a young age stealing my brother clothes out his closet and making my own swag with.

You know what I'm saying? So I've always been a clothes here. It's just not that I've had more access to it. I can do what I want. And plus the thing is you're the right side. See, a big old head word like me. I'm sorry, Mr. Governor.

See, that's the thing with me, too, man. I might go shopping for some pants. Right. I might think the pants look crazy, but then I try out on, they're coming up here. I'm not trying to wear no high waters. Right, right.

I got the thing about y'all. Y'all got the custom stuff. That's the best thing. Nah, they're the best thing. I want to go get it up. Oh, I like this. Off the rack. Exactly. Right off the rack.

That's what I want to do. Big and tall. Congratulations, great season. Hell of a season. Congratulations, Chase. Great season. Continue success, man. Hey, team success is where it at.

You want to build that brand? Win. Amen. For sure. Appreciate you, man. Thank you for coming on. Jamar Chase T. T. Higgins.

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Apple Podcast or whatever you get your podcast. Is it an unrestricted for a redress in this offseason? He is Romeo Dob. How you doing, bro? What's up? Man, I'm good, man. I'm blessed. I'm breathing, walking.

All the little goodies, man. That's all I need. I got a question. Why you keep wearing that ugly-ass guardian cap? Hey, yo, hey. I'm underheaded. Better safe than sorry, man. Yeah, I got you.

I got you. Listen, unrestricted free agent, right? Yeah. What you've done for the Packers, every time we turn, every time we watch a Packers game, it's 87 cutting up. You are the safety valve.

You are. the, what's the word I want to look for? The outlet for Brother Jordan Love. Yes, sir. What do you want to do? Man, I want to go back. I want to go back. And I love Green Bay.

Yes, sir. You know what I'm saying? I love the structure. I love the coaching staff. I love how they go about things, man. And, you know, the rest, I'm going to just leave that unknown because I know, you know, I'm new to this game.

I don't know what to expect. But I am aware of this business. I understand the situation in our room what's going on, man. So, yeah, that's pretty much all I got. With this business, I'm not blind. I'm not Ray Charles, but I understand your value. You understand

your value. I know what you deserve. I know what you can get there and I know what you can get elsewhere. I'm going to leave it at that because I don't want to get you in no trouble saying the wrong things, but go ahead. Romeo, you guys in the division game, you went off. You had eight for a buck, 24, you get

out to that great lead. What happened? How did you let that game get away from the guy. Look, man, I'm still questioning that now. You know, and we all know it's not easy losing in this league, especially in games like that. But to be very optimistic about this, it was very clear that Chicago had the better game plan.

You know what I'm saying? The energy was right. Whatever they had going on, they were aligned. And there's absolutely nothing I can do up at this point. you know, kudos to them. And again, that just gives me an opportunity to review that, not even just that game, but just throughout the course of the year. And just build off that moving forward.

You know what? It wasn't so much of their last game because you did lose the final game of this season and different than a playoff game is different than a regular season game because there's finality to it. But you lost your last four regular season game. So it wasn't like you were going into the playoffs on a high note. What transpired over the last quarter of the season that you kind of got away from you guys? I don't know.

I don't know. I really don't know. And I know there is some answers that must be said right now. Yes, sir. But yeah, man, I have no idea what went wrong. But it was very clear that to lose like that, something went wrong. And again, I'm in the midst of, you know what I mean, still? trying to figure it out.

I'm trying to deal with. There was a lot of, last off season, Josh Jacob, talking about the receiver room, say we need a number one, we need a dog. They got one. And I'm sure you and Christian Watson and some of those other guys and read, y'all didn't take too kindly. What do you mean we need a number one?

What you mean we need a dog? You don't see us every day? Look, man, I love Josh. I was just rapping with him. You know what I'm saying? just before we took off. But again, man, it's just, you know, just the, it's the situation, bro.

Like, you got my- When you lose like that? Yeah, it's just. It's difficult. It's difficult. It's very, bro. Yeah. Like, some of these things, better left unsaid.

Yes. You'd be completely honest about that. Right. But, yeah, bro, it's just. Especially if you've got to go back in that locker room, because y'all were looking at him sideways. No, no, no, no. Okay, well, not me.

You know, I don't like to think in that manner. Right. Because I know when something is said like that, it is very easy to take it that way. Correct. Right. So, you know, I never really, and again, I know what's in the past, days in the past. I've never been, I never spoke to him about that. All we did was have great practices together, watch some tape together, go out, go bowling, whatever the case may be, bro.

But that is not a lane you want to create. So I'm doing. I got a question because, I mean, you're answering, obviously, you want to be careful, you want to be PC, you don't want to piss anybody off, especially during the time that you're in. You're in a special place where, like, potential employer. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So do you want to go back? You had an Instagram post that almost, it was deemed like a farewell to Green Bay. If you had it's your way, would you love to go back to a team like the Packers where any given Sunday, you don't know who the day is going to.

or would you like to go somewhere where you could be the dominant number of receiving and you know that offense runs directly through you? That's a great question, bro. I'm being honest. I would love, man. Take your time. Yeah. Being around them guys, bro. Yeah. Yeah. I would love to be around them. I would love to be around them. Yes, sir. And it's just the, it was just the foundation that I feel like we sit in that room. You know, we come in as young guys. you know what I mean and not only did we understand that the situation was very unusual like you get into a league you get into the league right yes you got to get a guy like Stefan days you got to get a guy like yourself yeah or you that you know what I'm saying went through those ropes but when you

get year one year two year three guys all together growing together I think there's beauty in that yes yeah you know how to say work yes sir there's a pie yes sir there's so many slices in that pie. No matter how delicious that pie is, there's only so many slices to go around. Somebody eat, if you want to, you might get a little small piece or you might get a big piece, or I might have to leave and get the piece that I've earned

based on what I've done in this league over the last three, four, five years. Yes, sir. Yeah. And you deserve, I know you don't want to say it. I'm going to tell you. I'm going to talk for you. I'm going to be at Mountpiece. You deserve the biggest piece of that pie,

because I understand what you can and can't do. And obviously there ain't no goddamn can't because I watch you over the years. I understand the value that you bring to the Packers. I understand the value that you bring to another team if you afforded an opportunity to go somewhere else. Yes, sir. Since you don't want to say it, I say it for you.

And I appreciate you. You that nigger. My bad. But I will say this. No, we're good, man. Way to be authentic, bro. Yeah. I will say this.

I would like to see a little better concentration because I've seen you make some. How do hell he catch that? And then they throw you a smoke rod and you drop it. I just need to see that concentration level because I know it's there because I've seen you make the plays game in and game out. And I've seen you go stretches where you have three, four, five games. And I was like, okay, this guy's trending.

He's a top 10 receiver. And then I'll see you drop a routine stuff. And it seems to carry over. It's like you drop one and you don't let it go. It's like you still thinking about that play, the next play. And I would like to see you move past that to reach that ultimate goal because that's what the great ones can do. They can make a mistake, they can drop a pass, and it's over just like that.

No, I appreciate that. That is very much noted, very much noted. So, Romeo, Green Bay Packers, wide receiver. We don't know for how much longer, but he says he wants to return. He had an unbelievable season, his best season thus far as a pro. He finished the year. Hold on, when we get back to his numbers. Who's the owner?

Eight for 124. That's a bunch of owners, the fans. Eight catching for a buck 24 in a touchdown. That was in the wild card round. 55 catches, 724 yards and six touchdowns. When he's having to divvy up a lot of plays and a lot of routes to other receivers. But, bro, great season.

Keep your head up no matter what. Don't fall in love with a destination. Yes, sir. Don't fall in love with a destination. They'll use that against you. Oh, yeah. They'll use that against you. I'm saying, don't fall in love with a destination.

Man. God. So appreciate you, Romeo. Thank you, man. Take care out. Enjoy the rest. Enjoy your week. You're promoting anything, or you're just here?

I'm just, I'm here doing media. Okay. You're going to speak for me. Yeah. I got you. I appreciate you, bro. Have a great day. Make sure y'all give me that blank check over there.

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This is your boy, Nav Green, from the Broken Play Podcast. Look, it's the end of the season, the playoffs are here. But guess what? It ain't the end of your season. You can always tune in with Broken Play Podcast with Nav Green on the Black Effect Podcast Network. Not a team who ain't going to the playoffs. They're cheese. What's a rap?

It's time to rebuild. Who's your MVP right now, then? Drake May up there, Josh Allen up there still. Oh, my boy, Matthew Stafford. Where did his boat Knicks at? He ain't too far behind. He did all this talk. What Matthew Stafford is doing statistically, bro, is crazy.

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on the I Heart Radio app. Apple Podcasts or whatever you get your podcast. 24. Stuff from the dislocated and a broken ankle in week six with either of the season. There he is, the missile. Fred Warren. Fred, how you doing, bro?

Hold on. We got to introduce him right. Go ahead, then. One of the greatest linebackers in NFL history. The best linebacker in today's game right now. I love that. They're illustrious. They're comparable.

54. What we talk about? That's right. What we're talking about? Come on, man. Y'all tell me, man, what are we talking about? One of the greatest. Yeah. You suffered that broken and dislocated ankle in week six. Right. How's the recovery going?

Because they showed some tape, and I thought they did a great job, but not like, look, come on. Yeah, we can probably, but he's not going to be Fred. And let's not run the risk of doing any further damage. Let's give him a full offseason. So when we come back for training camp or we'll come back for the OPAs, He's looking like the Fred Warner that we know he's supposed to look like. Yeah, I mean, it's one of those injuries, right?

Like, I remember all throughout my career, I've seen that happen to a couple of cats, like, Dak Prescott, for example. I think he had that nasty one who was at home, right? Yeah. And it's kind of one of those ones is like a fear of yours. Like, you don't ever want to go through something like that because it just looked nasty. Right. And so when I'm in the moment and I feel this, boom, hit down to my leg, and I'm on the ground.

I look at my stuff and it's pointing the opposite direction. I'm like, oh, my gosh, like immediate shock went through my body, right? And so it is one of those things, though, and I am blessed that once they put it together and you start rehabbing and kind of getting the healing process going, you jump, you bounce back really quick. So the fact that I even had an opportunity to return to practice during the playoffs, only three months removed from that speaks to everything you need to know. Like it's just, it's unbelievable. And you know, you have the resources. You have the access to some of the best technology to be able to come back much faster than others as opposed to when we were playing. It was kind of different.

How do you feel now in the rehab process when you're on the field? You have your lateral movement, your explosion. Is it all there? You have the flexibility, everything? Everything. And it's only going to get better as time goes on, right? It's just, it's one of those things that it's your new reality. Like, if you go beat it up, it's going to, you know, you deal with like the little swelling

that kind of is in there a little bit, the sorenness, right? But as you keep going, man, you build that thing up from the ground up and do the things right. I think you mentioned it perfectly, like all the resources that I got now. Yes. I'm super blessed and happy that it happened later in my career where I have all these resources, all these relationships I built up throughout my career. So now when it happened, it's like, I'm calling this person.

I'm texting this person. Okay, boom, boom, we got a plan together. You know, I felt horrible for, oh, Cam Scataboo. It was like two weeks after I did mine, he go and do his. And then, oh, Judkins with the Browns. He had the same. I'm like, man, these guys are rookies that are just barely starting their career. They've got to go through something like this.

But those type of setbacks, man, it only make for a greater story when you do come back. Go ahead. I'm going to say one question. Before I talk about the defense and what you guys with the higher of Rahim, Mars and everything. Yeah. What do you think about the noise? in the talk and the conversations about the injuries that constantly happen to you guys,

much more to any NFL team because of the plant that happens to be close to the training. Your thoughts, honestly. No, I mean, if I'm being honest, I think it's a little silly. I will say, like, the substation, the thing about it is it's been there for decades. Like, this ain't something that they just built up there the last five years or 10 years that Kyle had his team here. They've been practicing over at that substation forever. I don't, and now to say, is there something to it? I don't know.

There's not enough research that's been done. And I think that's something that they'll maybe look into more. But, you know, the game of football, y'all know, it's a violent game. And is a substation attributing to me breaking my ankle and half? No, you know, it's like there's this stuff that you just can't really overcome. Yes. And we do have an older roster. So like a lot of our star players, quote unquote, and guys that you pay a lot of money to, like when you're older, you're more susceptible to little things like hamis and all these little things.

So, yeah, man, I mean, at the end of the day, we've got to always continue to find ways to be better health-wise because when we are healthy, we're in that big game that they're playing this Sunday. Absolutely. Yeah. This might be a blessing in disguise because you say as you get older, you got a year and a half. You got a full year off.

Fresh as a day. You have Raheim. And I don't know if he was there with you at any point of time you've had cross-passer of Rahim. But Kyle and Rahim go way, way back. They were both on the Washington staff together. when Kyle was calling plays for his dad and Rahim, I think, was the DB coach back then.

So what is your expectations about this defense? You finally got Robert Salah back last year. You had DiMico and you had some of your best years under Damico. So what can you expect from Rahim to bring to this defense? You get Bosa back, to get some of those guys back that were injured, yourself included. So what can you expect from this defense? What can 49er fans expect from the 49ers moving forward? The expectation is always dominant.

That's all that my expectation always is, and it's always been that since we've been here. You mentioned that Coach Sala, D'Amico, guys have built up this top five defense year and a year out, and that's the standard now, right? And we're just trying to give ourselves the best chance to win a Super Bowl. And in my opinion, man, defense wins championships. So I think if we can build up a dominant group to help give us a chance to do that, I think Rahim is the best person for the job. I only hear glowing things about him from everywhere that he's been.

His players love him, staff, coaches, everybody has loved him wherever he's gone. so I know he'll do a fantastic job. Talk about this Super Bowl. You know this team. You're familiar with one team. That's right. 13 to 3, the last game of the season. You didn't play in that game and then you go out there and then they do a great job.

They run the opening kickoff back. And for the most part, the game was really never close after that. And you guys are going to have to step up because the Rams are in that division. And they were lost in the NFC championship game. The team that they lost to is here in the Super Bowl. Talk about the Seattle and the jump that they made for one year to the next. It seemed like they got better defensive. It seems like they got better offensively.

That Sam Darnold is like, oh, my goodness. Yeah. No, I mean, they've done a really good job. You got to tip your cap. Of course, I don't like any of the Divisional rivals, and that's understood, right? Yeah, it's definitely. It don't even matter if you, the Cardinals.

You beat up this year. It's still what it is. Like, we just don't like you. But you got to tip your cap when, you know, when teams play, you know, a certain style of ball that you respect. And that's Seattle. Mike McDonnell, the thing that he's instilled in their culture, in the standard of play,

you see it on every phase of their team, offense, defense, special teams. Like they're going to play physical, they're going to play a style of ball where they're relentless. And they've done a great job through the draft, you know, building up. And you have these young star players in like a JSN and a Devon Witherspoon that you can lean on while also adding in free agents like Sam Darnold

to be your franchise quarterback. You pick up Rashid Shaheed on the trade. Ernest Jones. Ernest Jones. You talk about the market Lawrence. Like they loaded up their roster with the type of guys. only that are playmakers, but guys that fit that way of play that they're doing. You talked about the standard, the standard in which you guys play at, right?

And I think about the division, which was the toughest division during my time. It was the AFC North. Right. The toughest division in today's game. NFC West. It's the NFC West. It's not even close. Do you feel, do you like that challenge every year, or do you feel you had somewhat of a disadvantage

because of that? No, I love the challenge because at the end of the day, like, first of all, I don't I don't feel like we should be measuring ourselves up against Seattle or the Rams. Like, no, you measure up yourself against the 49ers. Because at the end of day, we are a franchise of Super Bowl. Five-time Super Bowl chair. Five-time Super Bowl chain. So the moment I stepped into that building, I knew what time it was.

Like, you see them five Super Bowl trophies in the trophy case, and this is what the standard is. So we measure ourselves to that standard, which is winning Super Bowls. And so anytime we don't do that, it unfortunately is a failure. Now, was this past season a complete failure? No, you can't really say that because the things that we dealt with were real and the things that we had to overcome, and a lot of young players coming in playing meaningful minutes, that's only going to help us to what we're trying to do next season. Do you think the naysayers can now be quiet and has brought Purdy done enough to keep everybody

shush? They'll never be quiet. You know why? Because he was the last pick in the draft. And that's exactly why they're always going to have. They'll never see you anything about that. They'll never see you as anything but that. It doesn't matter.

He went a Super Bowl MVP. He went multiple MVP in this league. They're always going to say, yeah, but. Okay. You know what I'm saying? Yes, sir. And so in my mind, he's by far the best line, not the best quarterback in this game.

I like it. Because of what he's able to do on that field. Okay. He does. I love the fact that Matt Jones was able to keep you guys afloat while Purdy was dealing with what he's done. That's right. You bring him back.

People don't realize it. But at that position, if you don't have an adequate backup, your season can jump off a, go off a clip. Right off the rails. As soon as the starter goes down, you're like, damn. Yep. And you know. I mean, you say everything publicly.

Oh, yeah. We're going to keep the thing rolling. We got such and such. But if you don't really have that guy, yeah, it's over. You see, you see, unfortunately, for Denver, you got your guy,

Bo Nicks, he breaks his ankle, and then they got to rely on Jared Stittam, who I think is a good quarterback, but he hasn't played. He hasn't played in two years. Right. So then you're relying on him in a snowstorm to go win you an NFC championship.

It's tough, right? Like the backup don't get the amount of reps that a starter does, and the starter is a starter for a reason. Yep. All pro, pro bowler, the best middle linebacker in football. In the game.

Yeah, thank you. I'm on behalf of experience, by the way, man. Help you save time and money. And credit. I like it. What's my credit? You check your credit score on the app as well, man. Can you help me? Since you're a part of experience, my credit score like a 650.

I know you like to save money now. Experience help you say that and time. I got you. Yes, sir. Appreciate you, boy. Thank you, man. Appreciate you, bro. Have a good with you.

Hey, get you some McDonald's. That shit, he'll up faster, boy. Yeah, there you go. Don't do that, friend. Don't do that. We got old a friend. We can't process it like we was good. Mark, you played against both teams.

Seahawks and the Patriots. You got to put some money that matters to you. Who are you taking in the game? Seahawks. You taking the Seahawks? Yes, sir. What is it about the Seahawks that left the impression that you know what? I understand both teams are more than worthy of being here.

Both teams have earned and deserved the right to be here. What is it about the Seahawks that extends you that makes you think that they have the in this ball game. They're just more dangerous. You know, the Patriots, they're good, but the Seahawks are very dangerous. Like at every level on both sides of the ball, like there's a play that's waiting to be made.

They can run off, obviously, with K-9 running the football. J-S-N. I mean, the way he, the effortlessness in which he runs, he's like he's just floating. He gives you no tales on when he's going to break in or break out or he's going to keep straight ahead. What is it that you like about his game? Because you covered a lot of receivers?

you get the ones, you get the two, and you've seen a lot of receivers over 18 weeks, excuse me, 20 weeks of the season. What is it about JSN that makes him so special and so unique? He's very fluid, I would say. You know what I'm saying? Like you just said, he doesn't give him any tails. And I can see a lot of tails, but he doesn't give him often.

And I think that's what kind of just separates his game. You know, he's able to make every catch and run every route, and he's able to go different places within the offense. And they move him around a lot, and he's able to make the place. Hey, listen, I've talked about you tremendously. Damn, there every week. I'm sure you've heard some of the things I've said about you because I love exceptional DB play.

Your teammates, they call you crazy. Your teammates, they call you a lunatic because of your style of play, loving to play man to man. Does the surprise receivers with your style of play and have you had any difficulties with anybody that just stands out to you from the receiver position? never had no difficulties. I feel like every time I step on the field,

it's either good bump or I did something wrong. Every time I lose the rub, I feel like I did something wrong. I don't feel like people just go out there and beat me. I feel like there's something that I either step wrong, I wasn't locked in. That's just how I feel like that's how I agree with myself. I feel like I'm here to step with anybody, you know what I'm saying? So I don't think that it's crazy.

I just think that I just think different. Like I'm just wired differently. Like I got everything. I'm here out the mud, you know what I'm saying? So I just feel like whenever I go out somewhere, I'm putting my best foot down every time. Yeah. And it showed from a rookie last year.

It showed. I'm telling him how many times I talked about it is in style of play. And we always talk about Stingley, Stingley. But hold on now. We're all tripping. Hold on now. We got somebody just as good that brings just as much value at the position at the third level on the other side.

And I appreciate your work. Thank you. But you understand, because you have Stingley on the other side, they're going to try you. Oh, yeah, and I love it. I tell Sting all the time I was just talking to him yesterday I'm like Sting bro

I fuck with you dog Yeah you know what I'm saying Like you you want to one And that helps me be one of one Because they're not going to shoot They think I'm sweet They think you to the week I'm sweet

You know what the other side Let's go to the other side Try it Look here When you're trying to go into someone's house You touch Oh that's locked Yeah

That was locked Oh let me go Let me skip on this stuff Yeah Because you on the other side Yes sir But when you look at your defense You got to

are a physical defense. At every level, you got Algeria and you got Tito Toto and the DB, Petri, you know, Steve. Bro, y'all are a physical defense. What is your mentality? When Dimeco got there, what was your guys' mentality? It's like, okay, let's lock in because looking at you guys in OTAs and looking at you guys in training camps, we have an opportunity to be special.

Yeah, I'm not going to lie. From the moment I got drafted here, I was. It was like, dang, this is a good defense. Last year, we kind of gelled together. This year, we already had a year up under our belt. I mean, you look, like you said, you look all three levels on the back, and you got CB, me, Petrich, Steam, then you got Hendog, you got Z's, then on our line. Come on, you didn't even say nothing about Will and DeNiel.

De Nile. You said nothing about Will, Danielle. Y'all got Rankin. You got several Julian. Rio, Tim, like, we got a lot of people, and they, like, we're just ticking time bombs. There's a play waiting to be made every single time when we step on the field. It's just fun going out there. Like I knew as soon as we stepped on the field this year for OTAs,

I'm like, oh, yeah, we're going to be one of them ones. How has D'Amico Ryan's help you as a player evolve and get better this early in your career, you think? He's helped me a lot. He just pushes me. Like, I feel like I respect coach a lot because he drafted me, obviously. So I feel like there's a level of belief that he added me from the jump. And he just continued to push me. Like, he just wants me to be better.

He wants me like this year. He was like, you had a good year, but I need you to go ahead and go to another level. Yeah, so it's just like, he said that last. He's like, okay, you did it. You had a good year. Now let's go to this level. So I just feel like the more that you push me, like the more you put on my plate, I'm ready to eat. You know what I'm saying?

Put your GM hat on. Okay. You're the GM in the Houston, Texas. What is it that you guys need to do to get over the hump? To me, from the outside looking in, defensively, they don't get no better than that. What do you think y'all guys need to do to get over the hump so you can be in a situation? like the Seahawks and the Patriots are. I'm trying to set me up.

Oh, no, no, no. You could answer a PC. That's all. That's why I said put the GM hat on. GM, I think what we need to do, we got everything. We have everybody. We just, I think, I think, depth, because, you know, injuries happen. Absolutely.

Yes. You know, injuries derail a lot of teams. So I feel like depth will be, you can never have too much depth. And I just feel like he's got to make the plays. Yeah. Because you saw it when CJ went down, your quarterback kept you afloat. Of course. Because a lot of times we just saw it, and Fred was on here, and we saw it with the Broncos,

their quarterback goes down, and you need your backup to come in in one game. Yeah. And that's the difference because the margin of the NFL of winning and losing is so small because everybody at that level at one point in time was all state, all America, all world, all this, all that. So it's not like it's Georgia playing TCU. It ain't one of those situations. You know, when I first got to the league, a guy told me he said, Shannon,

every guy that's in the NFL can make every other guy in the NFL look foolish. If you just look at somebody talking about where they were drafted in the seventh round, or they this or they that, the best, the worst receiver on a given day can make the best DB look foolish. Of course. And y'all know how it is. The margin for error is so small, like you said. And it's like, that's what the ball is down to making the plays. But it takes so much to be able to make the play.

You've got to be in the right position. You've got to be able to do a lot of stuff. And it's just, we just got to lock in on the details, man. Man, unbelievable season, man. Best of the luck. Great season. I appreciate y'all. Don't get satisfied.

Oh, no. Don't get satisfied. Continues to eat. Yes, sir. Overee. Yeah. Over eat. I want some of that work, too, right?

Look, I ain't running. Oh, gee, I ain't running. Oh, gee, I ain't running. Look, look, I've been waiting to get up with you for a long time. Oh, come on, you show? Look, back in the day. Uh-huh, talk to me. They used to call, like, around the way, they used to be like, you look like a little Ocho.

What? Yeah, they used to say that. Yeah? Yeah, they used to say that. Well, you know, these feet still work just fine, now. They do? Where you cleats at? Huh?

They in the trunk. Hey, mine in the trunk, too. Appreciate you, Brock. Congratulations. Stay healthy. Stay hungry. Yes, sir. You know, man?

Congratulations. Thank you, brother. Kee, what? Joining us, playing with the 49ers from 2017 to 2020. Patriots from 2021 to 2024. Now he's back with the 49ers. 37 catch at 551 yards.

Kendrick Thorne. How you doing, bro? Hey, well, I'm chatting. What on? What's on? Well, man. How are you doing? You're good?

Hey, well, you look excited. You look joyous. Talk to me. God is good, man. God is good, life good, family good. Yeah. Health good, man. Got a good perspective about life, man.

I'm living. What got you feeling like this? It's just I'm not supposed to be here. Draft it, you know what I'm saying? Come on, man. Talk your talk. Get a little contract. Take your time. I got released this year, but adversity helped you grow.

Yes, sir. How you look at it. I'm on that way, man, building my own brand, building stuff that I want to, you know what I'm saying? But you're using football as a platform. Yeah. And so I got something to look forward to you. I'm inspired by y'all, man. You know what I'm saying?

It's inspiring, bro, after the game. How do you do that, though? Because one of the things you just said, you got released. Uh-huh. You know what that does to you? mentally, mentally that can crush you. Come on. Most people are not able to come back from something like that happening.

What do you account or would you attest you being able to overcome that and still go forward? It's never too high, never too low. So you're going to be at the bottom sometimes. You're going to be at the peak. How do I stay level, bro, when I'm down up? Am I who I say I am when I'm up or down? And that mentality, bro, has gotten me through. So even when I'm losing, bro, I'm always happy smiling because I know life good, life big,

Life bigger than just football. I'm saying that we look at. So that perspective has helped me get this far, man. I like it. Yes, sir. There was, of course, that you really didn't want to leave New England. But, hey, they wanted to move in a different direction, and you go back to the 49ers where it originally started.

What was your expectations when you got back to the 49ers, considering. Now, they let Debo go, Brandon Ayuk's situation with what it was. But really, they didn't like they had a whole lot of number one receiver. So you had Pierceall, you had Juan, Jenny. They re-signed DeMarcus Robinson. So what was your expectations when you went back to the 49ers? What were you expecting from Kendrick Bowman? That's a great question, man.

It's just God's story, too. Like him bringing me home, like you're saying, of course I want to play in the Super Bowl. Like, you know what I'm saying? I'd be lying if I did. I want to play. But God's story different. So going back home, connecting with Mac Jones, being connected to the Patriots in that space, and then us balling our opportunity.

I didn't know what to expect. But having that right perspective, you know what I'm saying? Thinking what the Glav has full, not like, like, well, I ain't going to go out there and play. They got this and that. Just having my mind in the right space, man. It allowed me to maximize my opportunity. And I'm right here right now.

Even on, like, social media, the story was great. So monetizing that story being home, just helped me be where I'm out right now. What's the difference, culturally, being that you've been in both places. You've been over there with the Patriots, been over there with the 49ers, from a cultural difference. Do they differ much being that the both entities have always had success? Nah, dog, the Patriots different. Yeah.

They're different. Boy, you go over there? Oh, yeah. No, it's serious, bro. So, yeah, sir. More military, more blue collar, and then Shanahan. It's football all the time. Check your, leave your ego at home.

Because if you check your ego at the door, we get a break, you'll go get it. Leave your ego at home. Bring your ass here to work. We work. It's football. It's football. It's not you. Even where it's at, like being in Foxborough.

Right. It's just tough. And then you think about San Fran. Yes. It's more like California. It's just that kind of vibe. When you in Cali, you're good. You got to sell the glasses.

You ain't got, look, I don't know how y'all do it, but, you know, you got the pad, you in them pads, you in shorts. Everything is really speed and tempo. You put the pads on. You get pads on 9 on 7. You do the team stuff on Thursday. Then you take the pads off for half the year, and then you out of the pads, and then you good, you know, Shadhani and they treat you,

what you need on the road. You get the smoothies, and you want to watch a fight on the road. I mean, look, I know, I don't. Kyle, Kyle was a little kid when I was playing for his dad. Crazy. I know what that system is like. But I also know people that have played with the Patriots, and I know what that system is like. It's different.

And I love Kyle. He got the ways of doing things. He knows how to get the superstars over there. Some guys ain't trying to be blue color and work hard, but everybody operate different. So if you go to New England, anybody, get your mind right. And if you go to San Fran, get your mind right. But it's going to be a different kind of operation. is, this is what I tell people.

I said it's easier to get drafted into New England as opposed to being drafted somewhere and going to New England. That is facts. Because it's easier to like go tough and get easier. It's harder to be easier and get tough. Because you're like, hold on, bro. Because we heard Drake Greenlaw.

You heard what he said? How he grew up in San Francisco, came from San Francisco. All he knew was Kyle, that West Coast system. And then you get Sean Payton, who's old school. Real old school. Old school, they thudding it up. They thudded it up. Practices alone.

Yeah. Meetings alone. And that's a great point. So like for my story, going from San Fran 2 to Patriots was that I experienced. I had to adjust. And it was like a shock, a whirlwind.

And I'm like, all right, bro, I need to adapt. How do I adapt? So I learned a lot, which was powerful. But if you don't get your mind right,

yeah. You're going to fold. In my career, I ain't got rough a little bit. I came back. You got coach Belich. You got coach. Coach Belichick, who's very, his father was militaristic.

Everything is structured. Everything is time. You're going to be on time. It ain't no late. It ain't no excuses. We are a no excuse zone. Chad, no. Listen, you don't have to see me.

First, firsthand, and I'm coming from Cincinnati. So I'm not really coming from a background of success. I'm not really coming from a background of winning all the time. That one thing my little black ass did is that work. That was the one thing. I didn't have to adapt to that. Oh, yeah, yeah. Wherever I'm at, you know what you're going to get.

That's far. But that militant atmosphere, that when you go to practice, KB, and you got to have on every single pad, KB, I'm not there with my hip pads in. I didn't have my hip pad and butt pads since I was in Optimus. It's that serious, man. What are we talking about, Bill? Bill, come on.

How he's not first ballot, though. Oh, man. It don't make sense, though. I want to, yeah, I don't know. had a couple of people on there trying to ask, how much do you think Spygate played a role in that? That's what I'm saying. And it's funny because that's not my era and my time. So my experience with Bill and like what he taught me, I'm like, no, he first ballot. I remember I ran it. He did a tackling drills called sideline Skinny. Yes, sir. Where he set up defenders. You run down the

sideline. You do certain things. You make one defender stop his feet, make the other defender. And then you throw it stiff from at the end. Man, I had a game Tennessee Titans. I was on the sideline. Man, the drill came to life, man. Really? I'm not even kidding. And I said, this boy, a guru. Yeah. And, you know, I knew how to run with the football, but the repetition of that, at first I'm like, man, I hate this drill. But then I won the game for us. Yes.

He, I told you, boy. I was like, you didn't tell me, dog. So I think he, like, that's different to me in a sense. But you got an opportunity to see it. And I just want to tell people, Nocho said the same thing. If you get him out of a situation where it's just not football, he does have a kind of layback personality. He will joke. But you've got to get him away where it, when.

and losses don't matter. Because if it wins and losses matter, you're going to get coach the stoic. He's dark. You're going to get what you get. Don't talk to him. So I love that about him. You know what I'm saying? He's the ultimate competitor, ultimate, like, coach of the game presenting it looks,

different things. So he helped me a lot in my career. But he's big in situations, Arnden. Because he's a situational guy because everything, like, this is going to come up at some point time and I want to prepare you. He is not a believer that having you dive and put the football out to go cross the goal line. You better not take you put that ball out. It ain't, boy, my boy was trolling me about fumbling.

Why didn't come back in the game? What you say, like trying to die for him? Oh, he don't play? But what you're saying? He cared that much. You can't get him a possession, turnover. It's all situational to him. So that messes with his mind, get him out the game.

I don't care. I don't care of you the starter. If you, if it's you, you might have went back in the game. I'm like, I'm tear to. You ain't go back here. I'm tear two. He ain't. He put me here.

Kendry Barnes, ladies gentlemen, thank you, Kendra. Thank you, y'all, man. Appreciate you, you, bro. I got some shirts for y'all, where. What size y'all wear? I'm a large. Double.

I got you. I'm like 205 now. You want boxing? You want boxing? You want boxing? Boxing. Boxing. Yeah, I want boxing.

Hey, I'm still trying to look young. Thank you, brother. Appreciate you, bro. All the best. He started his career in 2013 with the Philadelphia Eagles, and then he spent 2013 to 2016. Do you what I mean? And then he goes to the Buffalo Bills

from 2017 to 2023, and he spends one year in Miami, and now he's back with the Buffalo Bill, signed late August, activated Week 6. You're back home. Buffalo, I mean, I think, you know, you've been a lot of stops,

but I think you would consider Buffalo your home. Absolutely. As far as team-wise. That game in Denver, was that as painful of a loss that you've been a part of? It was up there. The Kansas City losses, I'm sure,

some of those for sure it was up there you know i was hurt that game so i wasn't able to be out there with the with the boys uh so even even more harder to watch yeah that's part of the obviously the 13 seconds uh you know i had some tough losses in the in the previous years but yeah that was up there um you know game comes down to what it came down to everybody has going to have their opinion on this that or the other you know one play here or there you know it is what it is and you know we got we got to take that one and take that one on the change you know. Now that we're in the off season, how's the body feeling, how are you holding up?

What's next? Yeah, man. This was the first year I felt healthy in a long time. Yes. I took my hamstring. I'm 34. I'm still doing that at 34, bro. Yeah, I love it.

You know what I mean? Still doing that at 34, bro, which is, it was an incredible season. Right. I came and signed on the practice squad. It ended up, you know, being on starting by week four, week five. You know, I love the boys out there. Body felt great. It was the healthiest that I felt in a long time.

You know, as I transitioned to, you know, whatever's the day. next. I am a free agent right now, and so Buffalo is home. Do you want to continue to play? I would be open and continuing to play, really mostly in Buffalo, because I love Is that where your home is? That's not where home home is, but, you know, I spend most

most of my career out there. I'm on the I'm on the backside of my career, man. There's no such thing as backside. There's no such thing as backside. That is something that they put in our heads to make it seem like it's when it's time to move up. 100%. You know, speaking of, you know, we could always use a safety down in the 513. Just in case. I'm

putting that out there right now, just in case, you know. For sure. I can talk to Mike, you know. No, I'm for sure open to keep playing, man. I can still play at a high level. And again, you know, whatever, whatever happens is going to happen the year before, Miami. Right. Super tough.

You know, I signed there after I got cut from Buffalo. I'm going to get back on the bills. Right, right. Just ended getting smacked by them twice. Really the whole season getting smacked around. You know, the idea coming back this year was to finish my career the right way. Right. Go back to Buffalo.

But, you know, I'm hoping to keep playing. I can still play the game at a high level. I love playing this game. And I play the game because I love the game because I love the game. Yeah, I know what that is. I love playing. I love competing. I love being out there with my boys.

But, you know, again, as I transition, I'm more transitioning to the mental health, mental awareness. And I think a lot of us as we transition, we have this identity crisis, I want to say, not a crisis, but just, you know, our whole lives we've been playing this game. And that's been our identity. Right.

As we transition, we kind of, we lose that. And so find a ways to understand who you are outside of football. So we do a lot of events, holistic events, breathworks. We're going on tour in May in May with artists. We're blending mindfulness, dance, breathwork, medicine, all together, and music altogether. Bringing 300 people together and breathing deep, man. So excited about the transition.

Whatever's next, whatever's next, man. I look up to you guys all the time, just seeing you guys doing your thing, man. And that's motivation in itself. I know I have a voice. I know I see the game. The way that I see the game, I know I can talk about the game. But we'll see what happens, man. I'm just enjoying life for what it is.

You said something very interesting. You said, you know, this thing, this football, because for the better part of your life, everything has been structured. You're going to be here at this time. You're going to be here at that time. You're going to be this, this and this. And then all of a sudden, you leave the game of football, and there is no more structure.

Because now I don't have meetings at 10 o'clock. in the morning. I don't have practice at this time and I don't have a game and I don't have this and I don't have that. So as you start to make that transition because like you said, I got less time in the league than I previously had. So what's been that transition like for you? How have you started to put those pieces in place to make sure because football is what I did is not who I am? Yeah. And that's a great question because I struggled with that for a long time. You know, I struggle with alcohol for a long time, especially early on in my career, probably six years of my career.

I've been sober for five years now. Congratulations. And, you know, as I've transitioned into sobriety and I've learned a lot more about this world that we're in about myself, I've learned, you know, I'm more than a football player, right? Like, football is what I do, and it's what I love. I love playing the game, right? But it's not who I am. And so understanding, I think that transition is understanding your purpose.

or having a purpose, right? Like, what is your purpose for being here on this planet? Like, why did God bring you here? And for me, I just believe it's to be a light, man. To be a light in this world, to shine. And I don't pretend to sit here and know everything about everything, but I know enough about enough to understand, like, you know, there's more to this than what we see on our daily day basis, you know.

And when we go inward, when we dive within, when we look within, when we look within ourselves, we can understand ourselves and understand, and be aware of the daily decisions that we make and those decisions and the consequences that come from those decisions. You know, it's just, it's an awareness, right? It's an awareness. It's the same thing, like, you know, what is pressure, right?

Like, in fourth and fourth and four, got to happen. What is pressure? Pressure, you're in a situation, and pressure is, you have expectations that the situation should be this. And so you're thinking, you're thinking outside of the now moment, right? Like, the moment is now,

there is no such thing as pressure because it's only now. And so when you have, When you can collect and you can, you know, we train our bodies all year long, right? We train our to go out there and perform on Sunday to be at our best. Our brain is a muscle too. And so I believe that especially as younger athletes, we have the ability to train our brain to go within and to learn about pressure, learn about why you feel the way you feel in certain situations, your emotions, learn how to control your emotions to have awareness of your emotions.

You know, why does this piss me off? Why does this, you know, why does this tick me off? Why does she always come in with bad attitude? And, you know, you can then shift your energy, right? And put more authenticity and more love into the world. And you see how the universe starts to work. I mean, we can say here all day and talk about the laws of the universe and, you know, all the spirituality stuff.

But I say all that to say, you know, we are all more than athletes. You know, we are all more. And we are all one. We are all connected beyond what you can even fathom. I think it's all important for us to continue to share our life, just like you guys are doing. Sharing your light, being who you are, and not being afraid of that.

And that's how I transition. That's what I'll continue to keep doing. You understand this league is a quarterback-driven league, and you play with one of the better quarterbacks. But the expectations are, the greater the player, the more expectations of the place, be it fair or unfairly, that is just the way it is. Because we know that this is why they make the most money.

This is why they get the most endorsements. That's why their face are. plastered all over everything. Do you think Josh in this situation, does he understand the magnitude and the gravity of what's in store and what's been placed

on him? Absolutely. I mean, he's face of the franchise. He's face to the NFL. You know, but he's still Josh. You know, he's still in the building, you know, being himself. He understands he understands his

aura, right? He understands who he is. It's the best quarterback in the league in my opinion and he'll be the best quarterback in the league until he's done playing in my opinion. I always love riding with Josh and unfortunately you haven't been able to get it done in those big games. But he's always somebody that's going to come back and keep fighting and keep throwing and keep running people over, keep hurling people. And so he does understand the weight of the world is on his shoulders. But I think he rises to that in the moments. He played hurt the last three games of the season. He plays through, I mean, you see it in his interviews.

You know, they ask him, hey, do you hurt this in the game? He's like, no, I'm good. Like, what? Right. Brother, everybody saw you have a broken. Right, right. Everybody saw you hurt your hand and you twisted you need or whatever. But, like, that's who he is, right?

He's a competitor. And I go to war with him 100 out of 100 days. Most definitely. Because I see it. Yeah. Like in his eyes before the game. And, yeah, you fall short. It happens.

How are you going to respond? And I know he's going to respond the right way. I like it. Appreciate it. Join, Corey. I appreciate son. Buffalo Bill, safety. Thank you, man.

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