Nightcap - Best NFL Interviews Radio Row Part 1: Trevor Lawrence, Sauce Gardner, Jayden Daniels, More!

Episode Date: February 8, 2026

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson live from San Francisco Radio Row for Super Bowl LX featuring the New England Patriots and the Seattle Seahawks! Unc & Ocho are joined by Trevor Lawrence, Sauce Gardner, Jayden Daniels, Patrick Willis, Michael Pittman Jr. and much more! Download the PrizePicks app today and use code SHANNON to get $50 in lineups after you play your first $5 lineup! https://prizepicks.onelink.me/LME0/NIGHTCAP 0:00 - Trevor Lawrence Joins14:20- Michael Pittman Jr. Joins22:40 - Patrick Willis Joins30:55 - Kyle & Kristin Juszczyk Join44:30  - Jayden Daniels Joins49:05 - Sauce Gardner Joins (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Sign up for a free trial at audible.com. After starting five and four, guess what? This guy helped pull him out of that deficit. And they went on to win the division. Here he is, Trevor Lawrence. What is that boss? All right, Trep, before we get into any football talk, tell us what we got here. What we got here?

All right, we got some chips and dips here. Is that edible? It is. It's fresh, they said. I said it's fresh. Now, if I end up getting... Hold on, hold on. You got to dip it.

Dip it. I don't do it. I don't do the guise. Hey, Tread, that's guacamole, right? That's quok. What's on the other side? Salsa. You want some?

No, I'm on the diet. I'm on the diet. It's not the McDonald's, huh? There you go. There we go. What kind of chip for me? What's special about them? I don't know what's special about the chip.

We're here with Zivo. So we got all of our food, hosting Super Bowl parties, living in Florida. Come in and out when you're hosting a party. You get all the flies in the house. You plug this up in your kitchen. It takes care of them for you. So it's a big, it's an essential in our house.

So this is a Zbo flying insect trap. House fly, fruit, flies, gnats, and more mosquitoes. No chemicals, insecticides. So I just plug this into the wall. Yep. And they fly into this? It has a blue light. So it attracts them, and then it has a sticky inside.

Oh, oh, okay. They fly into it. You know what? I can attest to this product because I have Zivo. Baby, baby, tell him we got the little Zivo, right? But I use it for the fruit flies. I have a problem with fruit flags. I'm not sure where they come from, Treb. You in Miami.

I know, but I have the same thing. Set the fruit out and they're just after a day. I don't even have no fruit at the house. That's the problem. I don't have no fruit and they come out of nowhere. But this Zivo has been able to help me tremendously trying to get rid of fruit flies because I'm not sure what the blue light does. I don't understand the technology behind it.

I don't really either, but it works. Insects like, insects like light. Yeah. It's like moths and mosquitoes. They go to the flame. They go through a hot light. You see, they're flying around.

Sounds right. So when this lights up, it traps them inside. So this is what Trevor Lawrence is promoting. It's called Zebo Flying Insect Trap. What did you do? You plug it in 24-7 max. It has a cord? No, you just plug it in.

Just plug it in. Oh, okay. So this sits against the wall. So how long, how long were they last? They said, I mean, you'll see it gets full. You can look in there. Oh, okay. So you have to change it out.

So you just, hey, slide this side and put another way in. It's kind of like those, you know what it's like, yeah. You know what it's like? It's kind of like those plug-ins. Yes. For those aromas. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. And you just keep plugging them in.

Treb, unbelievable bounce back season. Your first season under new head coach Liam Cohn. He's also called the plays. What was different this year for you as a. opposed to in years past. Yeah, I mean, I think the system that we're running is completely different than anything I've had before. It gives you, I mean, it gives you a lot of answers as a quarterback.

It's tougher to learn on the front end just because, you know, we got two, three plays at the line almost every time we break the huddle. So it puts a little bit more, so like in the spring and in training camp, it was a little tough to learn. But then once the season started, I really felt like I started to get comfortable with it as the season went on. So you're running good plays versus the right look. I mean, that's the idea of all the, you know, it's a good system.

If you asked me. So I think that, getting comfortable with that. And then Liam's been great. Just the way he led the team, his personality is perfect for Jackson. He's got that chip on his shoulder. Vexious. And I think our team really embodied that and bought into it. As great as you guys look offensively.

And I always say it. I said throughout the season when Travis Hood went down, you guys had the Ferrari in the garage for most of the season. And still. Travis Hunter. Excuse me, Trapp, Trapp, Travis Hunter. I call it, the Ferrari being in the garage. And offensive of you guys still look extremely good throughout the majority.

of the season without him. How optimistic are you that you guys would be able to continue to build once he comes back healthy offensively? Super optimistic. I mean, you look at, like you said, I mean, I think people kind of forgot it that he's on our team because he got hurt and we, when we started really clicking, he wasn't on the field and he was injured. But think about having him that's going to be back next year, both sides of the ball. He's such a key player. I mean, he's going to be a huge help for our team. And then you look at the guys that stepped up. I think that's the cool thing is guys stepped up that maybe like Parker Walker. Maybe a lot of people didn't know much about before the season.

Nice. I've played with him for a couple years. I've known what he's capable of. Obviously he hasn't gotten those opportunities until this year. But being able to step up and have a guy that can just come in and play and take off the rest of the season. I mean, he played awesome, proud of him and just all of our guys. Obviously, BT coming back. Yeah.

You know, Britain Strange. We got Jacoby who we picked up having this season. I mean, Jacoby Myers was one of the biggest additions that we've had. What he brought to our team in our receiver room, there's that mindset, and he does all the little things. Like he blocks. He can run every route. He's selfless.

I think all those things. He was a great leader for that room. I think you've had like three different officers coordinators in a very short time. And you hear a lot of people say, man, look, it wears on a quarterback because he's in a system for basically one year. He has to learn another system for two years. And then he has to learn a third system. How different is the system that Liam run? as opposed to some of the system that you've had earlier in your career.

It's very different. This system, you know, with obviously Liam and Sean McVeigh and all these. It's now it's kind of spread. There's a lot of teams that are running it now, and I've never been in it until we got Liam. And I've heard great things about it, but I didn't really know what it was like. So now having it, I can definitely say it's really cool because you learn so much.

I've learned in the past year I've learned so much more about scheme, like what we're trying to do, why we're putting in a play this way, why we're using this motion to try to undress the pressure or the coverage. I mean, there's so many things that, you know, as a quarterback, that you have to be taught that I just didn't know before. Because that's the way that the system does it and the way you build your game plan. So give them a lot of credit for that. It's a lot different than anything I've had. And just having the ability as the quarterback to get out of place, to have options, you know, to have the freedom to get into the right play.

It feels really good. Do you ever, because we used to do, I know, Ocho, I talked about it. Have you ever like, man, I sure wish y'all in that system because I see that quarterback and I see the numbers he's putting up. I damn sure could put numbers up like that if I had a system like that. I think definitely, you know, you talked about the start of my career in the first four years and just the change, new coaches, new coordinators, new play callers.

I've had, you know, four play callers since I've been in the league in five years. And you do look at things and you're like, man, I know, I know I have the ability and I know I can do all these things. and you do want things to line up and you want to feel like you're set up for success. And I've had good coaches in the past. That's not to knock any coaches, but it's just, I think naturally, you do look at other situations like, man,

and it feels good to be now with Liam and the system and feel like we have an advantage with our system and the things that we're doing our game plan. Going into the game, we feel like we have the advantage, which is a huge thing as a player. If you can feel that and you feel confident, you can just go out and play because you trust it's going to work. You know what one of the things I always think about

is being able to maximize the player's potential is obviously always having continuity and having a familiarity with the system. And when you have to switch coordinators, you have to switch play callers every season. To me, it almost makes you take a step back in a sense because there's always something new that you're having to learn. Right now where you are in your career, do you have the freedom when you come to the line and you see the defense, do you have the freedom even though you have multiple players called at one?

Do you have the freedom to change it to something that you like? Do you have that freedom yet? Yeah, you know, it depends on the situation. what plays called, but definitely. I mean, there was some stuff towards the end of the season where we'd say it could be a run play. And any time I think we get man coverage, we can check to any of our man beaters and just get out of it,

which is great as a quarterback because you're like, I know it's man, but we're running mid zone, which is fine. We'll probably get a decent game, but why wouldn't we run some crossers, mesh play, and we get a chunk. Because you know it's, because you're not going to, it's very rare that you can call the play knowing exactly what they're playing.

And when you can do that, you're at such an advantage. So they've given me the freedom to, when I see that, I can get to what I want because you know what you're getting. And, you know, I think that's really cool. Yeah, that's a huge advantage when you have a quarterback that has allowed the freedom to be able to do what some of the greats have done. Because what the greats have always been able to done is to understand what they see in front of them and be able to change, especially when you have the right personnel, which you do have, to be able to get into something you like. We got man to man. You mean, I got BT out there? we changed in this.

If you were to put your GM cap on, I've asked every player we've had on here, if you were able to put your GM cap on and say what we need, whether it's offensively, whether it's defensively, or maybe even special teams that can get us over the hump

so we can be in the conversation and being in games like this next year being L.A., what would you do? You said if I had my GM here? If you put your GM hat. Oh, GM hat. You're not Trevor Lawrence, the player.

Oh, man, that's a good question. Resigned ATN. That's a great start. That's my guy. I've been with him eight years. I mean, you're getting to college. Eight years, yeah. So I'm hoping we get Travis back.

I mean, he's great player. I'm hoping we get him back. So that's a great starting point. I think you look at our team. We have some guys that are free agents. So you've got to figure out who's going to come back. Who's going to be a part of it? I think obviously the year we had and what we were set up to do fell short in the wild card.

But we feel really good about our team and how we matched up. I don't be like we ever stepped on the field and we're like, man, this team's better than us. Didn't ever feel that way. So you want to try to get as many guys as possible back, but it's not always realistic. So I don't even know if I could put my GM hat on. I don't know how the salary cap works. But I think it's going up, I don't know that. So we get fine and we got a great owner that's willing to do what it takes to keep guys around.

So I'm hoping we get all that figured out. Travis would be awesome to keep. And then I think you look at our defense, lose some guys. Devin Lloyd's a free agent. He had a great year. I mean, you look at what he did. these, I mean, argue with the best linebacker in the league. So got some stuff to figure out.

And I think there's guys that are a key part of what we're doing. But at the end of the day, you know, I don't make those decisions. But I think we have the relationship in our building where our input is value. So, you know, we'll see what happens. Especially your input. Yeah, no doubt. So you got, how the purple hurricane is going to do this year? To go, I'm about Carter'sville, huh?

You know about Carter'sville. I'm hoping good, man. You and Ronnie Brown. Ronnie, Ronnie, Ronnie. Oh, Ronnie's the man. Ronnie's the man. Yeah, he's, I'm hoping good. We need to get back, get another state championship.

It's been a little while. So we played in a couple, but we need to win one. You know what? And we're going to get you out on this. Now, your name, when they talk about great quarterbacks in the AFC, Trevor Lawrence gets mentioned because of Liam Cohen comes in there and what you've been able to do this season. So the Patrick Mahomes and the Joe Burroughs and Lamar Jackson's and the Josh Allen.

And guess what? Trevor Lawrence, is that what you've always hoped for? Because a lot of things like, man, look, this guy was the number one consensus. From the day he stepped foot on Clemson, everybody said three years from today, he'll be the first player selected in the NFL draft. So you've had a lot of pressure, and you've met those expectations. You went to college. You won a national championship as a true freshman.

Doesn't happen very often. You get back, but you ran into that historic great 2019 LSU team, you're the first from the pick in the draft and you had some success. what do you have? You walk the charges down. They were up 20 to 27-0-0. You walk them down. So now to hear people the way they talk about you now,

as opposed to the way they talked about you in the past, does that make you feel good like, you know what? I'm turning the corner. I'm starting to be the player that I thought I could become. Yeah, I think it's, man, people have said a lot of stuff about me for a long time. So I try not to. At this point, no, I try not to listen too much of it. I know I've seen, I mean, you asked people a year ago,

people thought I suck. So, I mean, I don't think you can listen to too much. I've always known what I'm capable of. And it's been frustrating at times. You know, obviously, I haven't played as well as I know I can. But now having the foundation in place, the confidence in what we're doing, the system, the scheme, our personnel, got a lot of great players. I have a lot of confidence in that.

And for me, it's not about what people think if I'm in that conversation or not. It's just about winning games. But naturally, when you win, that happens. So I'm proud of what we were able to do this year, not for people to say that, you know, I'm one of the better quarterbacks in the league, but just because our team is one of the better teams in the league. And that's what happens when you play well as a team,

and you have to play well at the quarterback position. So naturally that stuff's going to happen. And hopefully next year we have another conversation and playing in this game. Here we go. Here we go. But as much fun as it is as it is talking to you guys. You want to be in this game.

No doubt. So here you're quarterback Jacksonville Jaguars promoting Zbo, the flying insect trap. Trevor Lauren. Treff, thanks for stopping about me. Appreciate it. Appreciate it. Don't forget that put that word in for me to come back.

All right, come on. I appreciate it. I don't know you want to coach. No, I want to play. You want to play? Yeah, I want to play. I'm Dylan Playfair. And I'm Tyler Smith.

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Look, it's the end of the season, the playoffs are here. But guess what? It ain't the end of your season. You can always tune in with Broken Play Podcast with Nav Green on the Black Effect Podcast Network. Not a team who ain't going to the playoffs. They're cheese. What's a rap?

It's time to rebuild. Who's your MVP right now, then? Drake May up there, Josh Allen up there still. Oh, my boy, Matthew Stafford. Where did he have both of next? He ain't too far behind. He did all this talk. What Matthew Stafford is doing statistically, bro, is crazy.

Bro, you know I ain't no Josh Allen fan, but Matthew Stafford got better weapon. Caleb Williams. Hey, he should be in that conversation. In what conversation? He should be in it. Listen to Broken Play with Nav Green from the Black Effect Podcast Network on the Iheart Radio app.

Apple Podcasts or whatever you get your podcast. A couple snaps in you? No. All right, next coming to the Colts rise receiver. He's a 20-20-second round pick out of USC. This season, 80 catch at 784 yards, 7 touchdown. The Colts finished 8-9, 3rd to the AFC. Man, the dream season, it started off so great for him.

They were 8-2 to start the season. The quarterback gets injured, and they lost seven in a row. Michael Pittman, Jr. How you doing, bro? Do you what they do, babies? How are you guys? Went good to see you. Yes, sir.

Likewise. Boy, you had that great start. You're eight and two riding high. You're the number one seed in the AMC at the time. And then your quarterback gets injured. And you tried a lot of different things. You end up getting Phillip Rivers off his couch after five years. But how disappointing was it for you guys?

You see a promising season basically go down the drain because of an injury to your quarterback. Yeah, I mean, obviously it's tough. I mean, like just like hearing that back again, man. It was like we thought we were on our way to playoff run, an AFC spouse. I mean, or South, I mean, everything was just out there. And just the fact that it came kind of almost like crashing down, like, after like Dan got hurt. But just know that he's coming back and we still have that same core guys and that we feel like we could do the same thing again. So, and then God willing that everybody stays healthy because we had a string of bad luck with, you know, like just like with like our DBSs with obviously Daniel.

So, so like it, you know. You know, even as a player, how surprised were you? Because even I was a surprise, how surprised were you that when Daniel James, Daniel Jones came in as a quarterback, everything changed? He looked like a damn generational talent. He changed everything around about that franchise, especially with the way you guys are playing at the beginning of the season before his injury. Absolutely.

I mean, I wasn't so shocked because, like, the way that he showed up, like, just, like, in camp, like, we were doing that. So, and then we went to, like, join the game. practice and we were still doing that. So it didn't really shock me. Going eight and two, like, like, now I didn't necessarily see that. Yeah. So like when like we went on that run, I'm like, oh shit.

Like just like, you know what I'm saying? Like just like we like got a squad. Right. And our offense was rolling at like historic bases. Yes. And we thought we were on to something. And then like I said, injuries. It all comes crashing down.

But we got to find ways to win like no matter what. Because, you know, like there's lots of teams that battle that. I think that the 49ers struggling with injuries and they were able to make a nice run. So we just got to find ways to get it done regardless. Yeah, and you look at you guys offensively. You got Jonathan Taylor can run the football yourself, Pierce, you got Warren and tight in. The offensive line was a little banged up, but you still have an outstanding offensive line. What are you guys, how do you?

And because this is a very tough division now. Oh, yeah. You got the Houston, Texas. You got the Jags. You guys are in that division. You see they made a change in Tennessee. with their coaching staff, with their coaches staff. And so now this division, what, you know,

maybe it would take, you know, 10 games to win the division, it's probably going to take 12, 13 games to win this division moving forward unless something unforeseen would have happened. Absolutely, yeah. I mean, just knowing that there's some really good defenses in the AFC South right now. I mean, Houston's like defensive front, I mean, and they're like DBs now. Crazy, crazy. So just know that, you know, like it's going to be a battle,

like every time that we play those teams, them, the Jags, and Tennessee, like, is coming up, you know. Like, I think that Cam Ward is a really talented guy, and I think they're going to build kind of, like, just, like, around him, and, like, I think that he's going to keep getting better, too. So it ain't going to be easy. You guys lost Seattle, 1816. Yeah.

And everybody that's come on here, they have picked the Seahawks to win the Super Bowl. Yeah. What makes them so good on both sides of the football because you had an up-close look, you're on the field against their defense, you're on the sideline. watching their offense, what makes them so good? I think they play really good, complimentary football, and I think they don't make a lot of mistakes, right? Like, I think that they're well coached.

I think that their defensive line is, like, really good. Obviously, Sam is playing great. I mean, Jackson Smith is putting up crazy that number. So they kind of got, like, the full package. And, like, I kind of am, like, leaning towards them, too. Same. Yeah, I think it's going to be an unbelievable game. I think the thing is people that might be selling the Patriots a little short.

Because, you know, they don't have the big name. They don't have a guy like a Jackson. Yeah. They don't have, you know, Sam, I mean, and Drake May is going into MVP discussion. We'll find out tonight who wins the MVP. Yeah. For me, if I had a vote, I probably would have voted for Matthew Stafford. Oh, yeah.

You know, considering what he's done. But they're going to be right there. And you mentioned that defense. But you guys, I mean, they did a number. If you go back and look at them in the postseason, they've done an unbelievable job on a lot of teams, but you're able to, it was a very, very close ball game. What, what do you think some of the things that the Patriots can do to take advantage? Because like you said, they're very good.

They're a very, very spoon and wholen. And then you got love and then you got, I mean, they, they're good at all three levels. Yeah. I mean, like, I think the biggest thing that helped us was Philip was getting us, like, in the right place. And I don't know how, like there was one, I think it was a third down where they showed like a, like, all out blitz. And they ran up, like, just like on our.

on our on our hard count yeah they like ran up and showed blitz and like I'm like okay like just like they're like just like zero all of them are bringing it right and then philip changes it to a to a to a to a zone to a zone play so like just like I'm just like looking at him crazy like I'm like yo bro I just like just like they are bringing the house and then like he snaps it and all of them just just back out like I was like I have no idea like how how we knew seen that because they all came so hard like on that like hard count so yeah you have one year left on your deal yes um you know and your name did come up in some trade talks at the trade deadline is there something would you like to would you like to secure something long term you got a huge

cap number they're probably going to look you i'm not breaking news to you i'm sure you or your representative have looked at this uh-huh if there a possibility would you like to stay in indy or you want whatever, whatever works best for the team and the work works best for Michael Pitman, Jr. I'm amenable to him. Absolutely. Yeah. I mean, obviously, Indy, like, is my home. And, like, I've built, like, a lot of stuff there. And, like, I would love to stay, but just know that NFL ball can take you places that, you know, like, you never thought that you'd be at, right? And sometimes, like, that can be better. But I am planning on being here, like, in Indy, and until somebody tells me that I'm not.

So I'm all in with the Colts, and I hope it to stay that way. I hope it stays that way, too, because I understand how valuable you are for that team and that franchise and that offense. So I'm hoping, you know, it does happen. Who are you here representing? Yes, so I am here on behalf of Oralbee,

the official toothbrush of the NFL. So we actually got our guy Blue here. He's got the biggest light of the show. Blue? Thanks to the I.O. Series toothbrush. Uh-huh, Blue. So he's just getting it in. He's got the perfect smile from the perfect.

Hey. So. Hey, Blue, I appreciate that, baby. You got you got a beer, too, on you? I ain't got no beer. It looked like me, though. And they got the Cardiades right. Yeah.

Yo. Look at my glad. There you go, Blue. Hey, Blue, I appreciate that, Blue. Yes, sir. That's laugh. I like that. I actually use ORV.

Though that's the only two. Really? Yeah, I've used Orbee. That's dope. It's the best. Actually, I think I use, it might be, I don't know if it's a soft or medium.

I think it's a 60 soft or 60 medium. There you go. Clearly I know what I'm talking about because I'm giving you the soft. Absolutely, absolutely. It's like the soft, like bristles, like just like are the best. Yeah, yeah.

This is unbelievable. I appreciate this. Hey, Ocho, they got a chain and everything. Look at the chain. Hold on. I see the chain. You don't see the soccer jersey, though. I don't see the soccer jersey.

I'm talking about detail. They're detail. Chad, is this me? They do me right. They did me right because that's how I look when I laugh. Oh, man. This is unbelievable. Mytha, thank you, man.

Congratulations. Continue success. Hey, you're going to be where you're supposed to be, but all you do, once you get there, show up and show out. That's it. Absolutely. I appreciate that guy. Do me a small favor.

When I had that wider workshop, I hope to see you. Okay. I hope to see you. Come on, come politic with the fellas now. I'll pull up. Love. I appreciate that. Oh, you like this, huh?

I'm Dylan Playfair. And I'm Tyler Smith. We're putting loneliness in the penalty box by talking to some of our favorite athletes about the importance of friendship. This is bromance. Bromance is brought to you by Charm Diamond Centers, proudly Canadian-owned and operator. Charm has been part of your love stories and bromances for over 50 years. And you can find Bromance on the IHart Radio Network or wherever you get your podcast. Stagots here, I have a podcast empire.

It continues to grow. And I have brought it here to IHart. I'm also doing a live radio show from 3 to 5 p.m. Eastern because my wife wanted to kick me out of the house. It's called Stugats and Company Live, which is available in podcast form right when the show finishes every single day. Some of the biggest names in sports. A lot of phone calls. I love you guys this show. It's one of my favorites.

A lot of interaction. Guys not taking themselves too seriously. Those are just some of the things that you can expect from Stugats and Company and Stugats and Company live. So listen to Stugats & Company Live and our original podcast. Please subscribe, rate, and review. Stugats & Company and God bless football. Taylor's livelihood depends on it. Do it today.

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Appreciate you, bro. Joining us now. We're on live back, a Hall of Famer. For the San Francisco 49ers. five deuce bam bam oh miss he was very excited

for his college team because they did make it advance to the college football playoffs and they were very very close to advancing into the national championship game

here you is ladies and gentlemen Patrick Willis Matt what's going on bro doing fabulous doing fabulous thank you guys for having me man I can't believe

him up here right now besides you guys I see you guys like almost every night man Pat tell him that story man I forgot what game

you were I ran any more I caught him up I caught him clipping, huh? Now, you can tell him, Pat, just tell him, it's okay. It's okay. No, I do remember, though, a lot of people don't know that. Chad is one who actually gave me the nickname Bam Bam.

Because you had the club on. So did. My rookie year, either my rookie year or second year, we was going to be able to play at Cincinnati. And you was talking about me or whatnot. I just wanted to say, I really appreciate that's your fix to this day. Yeah, most definitely, most definitely. I'd never forget. What's the name of the stadium we played in?

I can't remember the name. Candlestick? Yeah, I think, was it a campus stick? Yeah, a candlestick back then. Yeah, that was my first, and I think maybe my last time ever being here outside of this visit now. So I haven't been here since. And the city's awesome. The city's awesome.

I really never had a time to come here and experience the city and, you know, travel and go around. The people are nice, very receptive to my, I love you. So, boy, I enjoyed it so far. I love the Bay Area. Let me ask you this. What's going on with all the injuries in San Fran? Because every year you guys have injuries, and they're the key players. And sometimes you look, look, you lost your quarterback for a period of time,

but Matt Jones came in and played exceptionally well. You lose Bolsa for the entire season. I think Warner goes down and he misses like 10 games of the season. Williams, Big Trent, T-dub, he goes out for a period of time. He comes back. George Kittle misses time with a hamstring, comes back, tears the Achilles. What's going on with the injuries in Sam Fran?

man sharp that's a that's a great question what i'll say is um we all know this game of football can it's tough you know it's rough on the body and and those guys have played a lot of football they've played a lot of football and so i'm one of those type of people that i also do analysis meaning like you know you hope you have a career where you never have any injuries but at the same time man there's if you played a lot of football you're going to have some injuries years to wear and tear and fills up and those guys I don't want they're not old I'm not calling them old but they got some miles they got some miles on their body in football years they old so when I so when I look at it I just kind of look at it as one of those things that how everything

kind of ebbs and flows like they just in that period of right now they just got some older guys who played a lot of football and they just that's what that's what comes with it but I have heard a lot about you know the different conversations and stuff so Pat, when you play, look, obviously you go to the Super Bowl in 2012. You play the Ravens and you guys came with a throwaway. When you look back on your career, is there anything you wish you could have done differently? Is there anything you, I mean, you retired, but you weren't that open. Pat, you were, what was it, your team?

Eight. Yeah, and you walked away from the game at 29 years of age. Why? Why? Truthfully, it was a conversation I had with myself in the beginning before I ever started playing this. It was a conversation I had with myself my rookie year. I said everything that starts has the end. And I remember seeing guys who were being young and being a fan of the sport,

you've seen guys who just, I'm like, man, why are you staying? Why are you still out there? It doesn't like you want to give it everything you have. And I was a big fan of like, listen, if you're out here and you ain't giving it everything, you have. I don't care what name you have or who they put in front of you. I'm not a fan of you. I might be a fan of the special team guy that's giving everything that it got. So I just remember getting to that point. And I didn't know it would come this fast, but I just remember getting to that point to where my body, my feet were hurting. The biggest thing with the corporate was my

was my feet, them big toes. It got to the point of where I could even go through a walkthrough without having to put numbing cream on. I remember, I remember Kassim, man. He was my best friend one season. One season he was with us because he introduced me to this numbing cream and it helped for a while but it just got to the point to where it was just taking. That didn't even help. Yeah, and it was taking more out of me and I remember the conversation I had with myself and God and it was almost like one of the things where the hardest thing in life sometimes to do is to be honest with yourself. Yes. And I just felt it, looked around me and I said, you know what, it's time to step away before you mess around and start getting to the point to where

they start seeing it and they started looking at them. All right, how can we get, how can we get rid of them? And I know I didn't have it in my body to go anywhere else. And to give that kind of love, to give that kind of heart that I had given to San Fran. I mean, as you just said, talking about the stadium, Candlestick is not there anymore. And it feels, it feels like in a disbelief, like somebody to tuck my heart or something and just said, we're just going to crush it and just don't encourage you played here.

And so that was home for me. As difficult at that decision is, especially with the body, the mind knows what to do, but the body doesn't react. The body's not feeling the same way where you know I can't go out here and give it my all. The transition and the having to leave and walk away from the game, how has that transition been for you mentally? Wee. Yeah. I'll say this, man. We all go through that dark night of the soul where you find yourself in that space of light, all.

You say, like, I'm all good, but you know deep down inside, you're like, man, like, what is going? Oh, just, nothing just feels like it connects because, yeah, I realize, and someone asked me, I realize that football, it's not, it's not everything. 25 years is a bit of part of your life. But it's the ambilical cord to life, like, for a lot of us. It really is. And so I noticed, like, the last couple years, I've been fortunate to be back around the Niners after dibling, dabbling in the entrepreneurial world a little bit, you realize, like, shit, it's hard to build businesses out here. It's hard to build something that's going to sustain

to the point of where you can be comfortable and just, you know, make money. Yeah, make money. And so what I learned in being back around in honors was just the everything, 100 years of business, so 75 years of business and what it takes. And then just working with people who are,

what we've come to know now as in my financial literacy talk, we call him, is he just a guy? Is he a pro bowler? or Zia all pro. And I was trying to do things with people that meant well, but they were just guys. Just the guys. Just the guy.

And we know what it's like when you're on a team and not speaking down to anyone, but if you've just got a team just full of guys, yeah, you might. You can only get so far. But you're only, you only get so far. And so I say all that to say, man, the journey has been, it's been crazy. If I say it's been absolutely easy, even though I made a decision, I'll be lying to you.

I just get up each day to the, each day the Lord wakes me up, I just, I'm grateful because of so many reasons where I come from, everything I've had to overcome to get to just play football. And then really the hardest part is, I think football was actually, the world got different, it got harder after football, you know. And so just to be able to be up here talking to you guys and be able to converse on it, like, I'm grateful. That's dope.

That's a lot. Patrick Willis, ladies and gentlemen, all pro, Hall of Fame linebacker from the San Francisco 49ers. What you got? Oh, oh, oh, before I go. go. Before I go, I wanted to let everybody know that it's going down tomorrow at Lucky Strikes. We're doing Go Bowling, so everybody, they won't, let me stop this. Tomorrow is going down at Lucky Strikes. Go Bowling and the NFL Alumni Association is

hosting attendees. We'll be going at. We'll be competing, but we want everybody to go to go to go bowling.com and sign up and get you a free game. I ready. Go bowling.com. Hey, you know, I can bowl it 300. What? Three? I could bowl, yeah, I'm 300.

Man, let me see it. I was on the pro circuit. Let me see it. I was on the pro circuit. Back in 97. Okay. Let me see it. Patrick Willis, ladies and gentlemen.

Thank you to Matt. Let's see you guys. You guys keep doing what you're doing. Let's up. Joining us now is Kyle and Christian Youth Check. The 49th fullback, 2013, fourth round pick out of Harvard. Yes, sir.

You went to Harvard, too? Yes. He's one of our most famous alumni. Thank you. I try to tell him all the time I was there. They never believe me, so I'm glad you're here to attest to that. I've seen your picture on the wall. Thank you.

A Raven. I also like to sell people I went to Harvard. Yes, sure. A fourth-round draft pick from Harvard. He started his career with the Ravens, 2013 to 2016, and now he's present with the 49ers from 2017 until. present. We just had Patrick Willis on here, and you know, he retired at 29 years of age. He said the injury, his toes had just taken his toll on him.

The injuries this year, you get, Purdy goes down, Matt Jones played really well, keep you guys afloat. Kittle hurts his hamstring, he misses some time, comes back, tears his Achille, T-Dubb, he goes down. I mean, Bosa, he goes down, Fred Warner, he goes down. How were you able, the injuries, that's one thing, but how were you guys able to keep this thing afloat? while so many injuries were piling up. Yeah, you know what? I really think it comes down just to the culture that we've built in San Francisco. And it truly is that next man-up mentality.

And it sounds cliche and nobody wants to hear it. But I really do think that we've set this standard that when guys go down, like they know, okay, I need to be up to this standard if I want to stick around here. So I think we just did a really good job of having that standard and guys were ready to meet it when they got their opportunity. The funny thing I always want to ask, I've watched you play many of years, the value that you bring to a team. If you think about the game and how the game has evolved and now it's a passing league, being a fullback, but that's the funny thing. You're not just a fullback.

They can put you in the slot. Hell, they can line your ass up out wide and you can actually run routes just like your senior. He pulled about like y'all there. But how did you get yourself to a point where you're so valuable to any of the 32 teams that you would play on? Yeah. Despite the game evolving the way it has. Forever, dating all the way back to high school. My thing has always been versatility and being able to adapt.

And as a fullback, you better be able to adapt because each year, you kind of, you've got to find something that you're adding value to. And every year of my career has been different. Like, there were a few years back in Baltimore where, I mean, I was really playing short yardage goal line. And then, I mean, that's not enough to just have a roster spot. So you better play, or you better play special team. And then I became a third down running back.

So I learned all the protections. And so every year, I've had to find that niche of like, all right, what does this team need this year? And how can I feel that? And it's just been a strength of mine. And I think that's a big part of my longevity in this league. Kristen, you did the better half of this gentleman right here. You attend every single game.

I do. Road home, overseas, Alaska, it does not matter. Why is it so important for you to be at every single? single one of his game. Yeah, well, there's so many reasons. I mean, it's such a short-lived career, and we know that these are our glory days, and I'd never want to miss out on just these special moments. Being there, we've had so many amazing moments. I mean, there was a moment in Seattle that me and Claire Kittle, who I traveled all the games with, we actually got a seat in the end zone, and we were first row in the end zone. George scores, and he jumps into the suite with us.

The next drive, Kyle scores in the end zone, jumps into the suite with us, and those memories are just burned into our souls, and that's the reason why we go. One of the things I do want to ask also is we never get to see the two. We never get to see the union. How you're able to balance the work and also keep a healthy balance in a relationship. Yeah. To be honest, I think for us it just comes so naturally. It's not something that we really needed to work on.

We just genuinely like spending time with each other and loving each other. And I think that's my biggest piece of advice for relationships. Like, if it's real work, then that's not the right person for you. Right. I think it should come natural. Say that again. If it's not what? If it's real work, it's not the right person for you.

It's beautiful. People always say that marriage is so hard. We always look at each other. We're like, read the marriage books. I'm like, if you've got to read a book on marriage, you're not married to the right person. I like that. Okay.

I like, I'm throwing away all the books. Me and Unk, we think about getting married in 2027 having a dual wedding. You know, we know. I love it. Yeah, we love it too. You need an officiator? I think you guys. You need a physician?

We need therapists. We need therapists. And the fact that you guys have a few guys. figured out, you could counsel us. We got you. I'd like to add that to my resume. But you hear this a lot, Claire, and you can speak to this. This is more so because you're going to do what you do. You understand

you, we got practice, we understand we got a meeting, I got to live, I got to watch tape. Talk about the sacrifices that the significant other, girlfriend, wife, whatever the case may be, that they have to make, because there are a lot of times he can't go to PTA. There's a lot of time he can't go to recitals. There's a lot of times he can't

pick the kids up. And you have to do that, but you have to be accepting because sometimes people, the partner gets upset. Why you can't do it? Well, can you go run and go route? Can you go sack the quarterback and then we'll switch rolls for a second? Talk about some of the sacrifices that you have to make to keep this because you're the rock. You're the foundation piece because you keep his mind at ease

because he knows everything is taking care of home. Well, to be honest, I think that's the main reason why we haven't had children yet. To be honest, because I think I want him to be able to, especially, those late tonight at the facility if he needs to get extra rehab. I don't want him to feel like he needs to come home and have to take care of things. I want, again, it's a short-lived career. I want him to be selfish. I won't ever want him to look back at this career of his life and think, I wish I did more,

or I wish I did this. So we've kind of pushed that off and we know we have our whole lives to have a family together. So, and I have my own career path as well, and he's been incredibly supportive on that. I think that, to be honest, is their perfect recipe. If you're sitting at home and you're constantly waiting for him to come home, I think when maybe animosity builds up. So for me, I'm working and trying to build my own dreams and my own career. So when he comes home, we're just happy to share what our day has been like with each other.

Do you hear what she said? She understands the sacrifice. She understands what goes into it. She understands what it entails to actually be an NFL player. Once you have someone that understands the sacrifices and get it, you know what, baby I get it. We're going to put certain things on the back burner because I know. this is what you have to do.

This is what comes first. Absolutely. It was his dream since he even knew the word football. So I would never want to take anything away from that. But you, and we've heard this, Ocho and I, we both heard this. But you say you understand and you want that. But did you realize how much of a sacrifice that it entail before you got with this gentleman? I don't think it's that much of a sacrifice.

I think he's following his dreams and it's admirable. Like he really did, like I wake up every day. He's so happy to go to work. He's not like, I love my job. I love my job, man. The fact that he even calls it work is hilarious. And so to be honest, I think, and I'm not trying to take away from how much time and commitment he puts into it. But out of all the other professional sports, I think it's almost the most similar to a nine to five.

Like he doesn't, he plays 17 games in the regular season. It's not like he's playing a game every other day. Like baseball over. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. So I think the NFL is obviously a huge commitment, not trying to take that away whatsoever. but I think he balances it really well.

And we have four months off together to do whatever we want. I like it. I like it. You mentioned your own dreams and aspirations. You started out sewing pieces just for basically for yourself and him. And then someone like, well, how can I get that? And you're like, and whose idea was like, babe, I'm going to turn this into a business or you can turn this into a business? Yeah.

I think I really, I was doing it for myself, truly, just because I didn't. like what was offered up the stores. You didn't like the guild shop here? No, I did not. The pink shirts and the V-Nets. Yeah, no, there was not enough options for me. So, I mean, it just was like a natural progression, and then there was this one time that I was out of game,

and I was looking around, it was a freezing game, and every guy there is wearing this huge puffer jacket, and they have a jersey over their puffer jacket. And I'm just like, why has there never been a jacket that has the players name a number on it? So you can be cold and you're not, like, restricted, wears a jersey over your jacket. So that was kind of a jersey.

of like my label moment. And then when I made my first so-called Jersey puffer vest is when I was like, ooh, I'm on to see. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Have you always been good with, you know, sewing and putting things together? To be honest, no, I didn't go to school for fashion. I was a business major.

But like, I come from a family of entrepreneurs who are just kind of like the figure-it-out, kind of gritty people. And so I just was like, I'll go to YouTube and I'll learn how to do it. That's what I did. That's dope. I hear people say YouTube can teach you. you anything. Yeah, you achieve university.

15. You just finished the 15th season, right? Just finished 13. 13. How much, I mean, there are a whole lot of fullbacks. You and Richard up in Baltimore, y'all are really the true fullbacks. Everybody else will bring an offense or defensive linemen in on short yard.

But there's really you two guys left. How many, have you said, have you sat down with Kristen and have you guys mapped out, you know what, babe, I want to play two more years, babe, I want to play three more years, or you want to play as long as, as long as, as long as, as long as. as a guy to give you health and allow you to do it. Exactly. It seems to me that she's going to be very supportive and she's not putting a time limit

on when you guys, you know, you need to call it. That's exactly right. She's been super supportive that as long as I want to play, she's on board. And the way I look at is as long as I'm healthy and I'm still having fun, like, I'm going to keep doing it. And so everyone, you know, when you get to this stage, especially after like 10 years, how many more years? One at a time.

One at a time. And that is the truth, man. Like, you really take it one year. at a time. I like to even push it to, all right, let's go two years at a time. So nobody, nobody's giving me a hard time. Yeah, I wouldn't like another guarantee. But I feel so good right now and I'm having so much fun. Like, I can't even envision what it's like to stop playing yet. So I'm not going to, you know, put an end lined at it. I'm going to tell you guys, I'm going to tell everyone else. At least two more. Yeah. And then we're going to

one at a time. The funny thing about it is, is there's really no time there on you and how long you can play because of the value that you bring for the team. There aren't too many where there ain't none that can do what you do. I appreciate it. There's only one other and he's on a team. And you're not seeing too many fullbacks in college. No. You're not seeing anyone getting drafted.

It's a thankless job. Yeah. They give you on fourth and one and when you don't get it. How can you not get it wrong? Because the whole team's tea it off right now. There were 12 guys. There were 12 guys in that end guys. Well, congratulations, man, Kristen.

It was very nice to meet you. Great talking with you guys. It's a pleasure, baby. Tell Bobby Giacson. Another Harvard alumni, man. Yes, sir. Thank you. Appreciate it.

What's up? Oh, I definitely. Hey, before we leave, we do have to mention Invisaline. Oh, yeah. They're the reason we're here today. Okay. And I'm just like Ocho here, I'm a nut about my health. Yeah.

Everything I put into my body, I make sure it's the absolute best. Just like Ocho. And Invisaline is huge for oral health. And oral health is just another component of your overall health. I always look at it if I can improve any part of my body that's going to improve part of my game. And so a misaline has helped with that. And in my mind is helping me with... Yeah, they're such an amazing company.

I've worked them for three years now, so it's amazing to have Kyle finally on board. They do so much for women in sports and just like confidence building. So we're just happy to partner with them again. I also have another thing for you guys. I was about to have us. You saw those bags. Yes. We got gifts?

We got gifts. I brought you guys my Super Bowl jackets. Wow. I don't have the right size for you. I'm a large. You're a large? I'll get you a large. I have an X-L and a large.

I think I might be able to. I got to get you an X-L then. I think I might. No, no, he's an X-L. I'm the large. No, I'm going to get you the large. I think that might fit you. I don't think I can fit that.

I think- I'm just been working out. Okay, Shelley said she can fit it. You want? I can get you a 2-X? But you know what I want you? Can you make us a nightcap? You want a nightcap jacket?

Yeah. I'll put it on it. I'll figure it way out. She'll figure it out. Let's see. Don't out on show. Come on. Yeah.

I'm sexy, bro. Yeah. No, hey. How did it look? That looks amazing. Yeah. Incredible. It fits great, too.

Yeah. It's amazing. So great. That goes crazy. All right, I'll get you the 2X. Let me know. Okay, perfect. I definitely.

Could you, what do you wear? X or 2? You wear an X. Okay, no. You might need a 2X. All right, I'll get you to 2X. I'll send it. over here.

All right. I can keep this. You can keep that. It's for you. I hope you guys like it. Thank you so much. Appreciate you guys. It's a pleasure.

It looks incredible. Thank you. Thanks, guys. Hope you like it. Thank you. Kyle and Christian Ustek, fullback for the San Francisco 49ers made another pro bowl. He's one of the great fullbacks.

In the NFL, he's played for an extremely long time. He's a fly. He's played at an extremely, extremely high level. And his wife, as you can see, she's very, very supportive in it. And you see, And you see why they're one of the cutest couples in the NFL. They're supporting. Hey, 2020.

Former rookie of the year, Washington Commanders quarterback. Leave it off. How you doing, man? I'm good. What's up? I'm good. I'm good. How you feeling?

I'm really good. Have you started off-seasoned yet? Are you giving your body a chance to heal up and get ready to start? I've had a long time. the hill low. I already started. I started. You started back in December. I started. So where's home for you? I'm in L.A. You in L.A.? Yeah. Oh, okay. You like it? You like it in L.A.? Yeah, you know, I'm a so cowboy. I know. Yeah, I know. Yeah, I'm understand. Most of the time, obviously, once you reach a certain heights, you know, in your career, some people in time, you tend to move to a different places. Someone that you're always, somewhere else. That's always going to be home.

That's home. Even in L.A., I'm not from L.A. I'm from, like, I'm from the Inland Empire. That's like, like an hour evening. Right, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's far. But I'm most definitely, that's always going to be home. So Kyle always home. Yeah. Okay. So watching these two teams, the Patriots,

Drake May obviously was in your draft, Sam Darnal, with the USC third pick in the draft. Everybody that we've come on, we have not found one player that has picked the Patriots to win this game. How do you see this game playing out? Pick the Patriots. Nobody. Nobody. I can tell you why they haven't.

I mean, I'm a row with my drag class. Okay, you're taking Drake. I'm going to roll my drag class. Okay, I like that. What's your mean? You're serious? I'm going to roll my drag class. Even would that defense the Seahawks have at all three levels?

I played them. They got a phenomenal defense. Yeah. But I got a roll of my drag class. Okay, you roll into this drag plan. Okay, okay, okay. How do you see this game playing out? Man, I think whoever is able to, whatever defense is able to stop the run

and kind of limit and keep them one-sided. Obviously, what the Seahawks has done this year, offensively, defensively, out of the world, J.S.N. Obviously, the numbers he put up, Sam's been falling. But, man, I feel like if Drake can get gone, man, they got a good chance. Obviously, like you said, you have a lot of time to recover,

decompress. So, obviously, you're back into training, but there's still some things that you probably, probably like to do. So what do you do now until you get, I mean, really, really start with like April and you know, you have to start getting back to OTAs. What, what are you doing in your free time right now? Outside, I'm just spending time my family, spending time my loved ones. You got it. You know, you kind of sacrifice the time throughout the season. You don't really get that time. So it's like after I'm done with my obligations of training and doing whatever,

man, if I take the time to watch the film, go back and watch the season, you know, I'm kind of just spending time with my loved ones, my friends, you know, that comes to visit me, we're kind of just kicking. You're like, what a fun. What's you're saying? Like dirt bike riding, motorcycles, board riding, parachuting, no parachute. Man, the commanders that kill me.

They heard I was doing something like that. I'm tripping. It's an all season. It is all season. It is all season. I'm my hoop here and there. You can you? What you play? What you mean?

What you mean? You're not, I ain't going to say nothing. What you mean? You like a hoop. What? You know, I had in high school, I average 52 a game. 52 a game? 52.

How many games? Three? Okay. Okay. Three. Yeah. You know, I do it all now. You know, you know my background.

I do. Yeah. He played with my son, Cole. How, how, how much film do you watch in the off-season? Do you watch, you know, you go back and look at what your team did, what you did last year, or do you fast forward? No, I think I learned this, I learned this from Bobby Wack. than last year. Like, he does it after every year.

He goes back and watches the whole season and evaluates himself. Okay. So that's kind of what I do. And then this year, you know, I kind of already started it. So I finished it. But at that point, it's like, okay, now I kind of have an understanding of like this is what I feel like I need to work on this off season and stuff like that. So I have a better gist when it comes to sitting down and talking to my team around me.

I'm like, this is what I feel like I need to work on. Oh, man. James, appreciate you, man. Hey, all the best. get healthy, stay healthy. Hey, this is a big year? You know it. This is a big year?

You know it. Hey, I'm counting on you now. All right, I got you. All right. Come tap in with a night night next year. Beb. Joining us now is all pro. Defensive wrong, rookie of the year.

Yeah. Hey, but he looked like money, huh? Now, go ahead, put him on. Yeah, because you can hear it. Can you hear it? You hear us now? Hold on. Okay.

Hold on. Let me unzip, man. Let me unzip. Man. Hey, let me unzip, man. I do gotta ask you. Huh, hold on. I've been seeing you.

Yeah. I've been seeing you. Yeah. I mean, you can't come on here stunting on us like that, man. I thought he was the cheap guy. Who? What happened to that? I'm still cheap.

Yeah. What happened to that? Hold on. Let me see, let me see that. What? Oh, yo. Yeah. This ain't no.

Hold on. Yeah. Come on, man. Yeah, this. That ain't a Jubilee bracelet. That's a presidential man. Yeah. That's what I do.

I want to be the president. Well, actually, that's. Actually, it's called a day date. They call it the presidential bracelet because that's what... The president is right. No, Senator Kennedy when he was... Yeah, that... I know Kennedy.

So they gave it that nickname. Yeah, but it's all... And the day date. But anyway, Sauc, how you doing, bro? I'm good. Check this out. It's a blessing to be here, man. Blessing to be here, man.

There's no way you could envision. Obviously, you played well your first couple of years. You got ding. And then you signed this. massive contract, this massive contract in the offseason. And not even six, seven months later, you're dealt to the Indianapolis coach. Tell me what goes through your mind when they give you that call and say, We're trading you to Indy and the aftermath of that.

I can't give you my exact reaction, but I wasn't mad at it. Really? I went mad at it. How could be bad at it? How could he be bad? You're going from the Jets to the Colts. You're going from a team that's not contending to go into a coach team that is doing extremely well.

I wouldn't be mad either. But I do, I did like miss the fans, you know, my teammates. You know, the fans when it wasn't like toxic energy. I'm talking about those type of defense when I got drafted, me, Gary. They're excited. The excitement, the optimism, and not the looking for bad every time it's something good. Yes.

Like those fans, because all of the fans weren't like that. You had some true die-hard Jets fans who always wanted positive, like, you know, things to come out of it. But I did miss the good ones, and I did miss my team. So, I would be remissed if I said. Looking at you, your first two years, you were hands down the best, because you and Pat Certain, y'all was going back and forth for the best. corners. I felt some of your play, and I don't know if it was injured, you can clear it up right now, that your play, some of your play has slipped and you weren't that same player. I wasn't the

only one that felt that way. But I have you here, and I can't say, well, you know, all of a sudden I have you here is not going to say what I've said before many times on Nightcap before. Do you feel your play has slipped? And if so, is it injuries? What transpired were you not that because people started to challenge you where your first two years ain't nobody trying to see so. They was called up in the size. See, look, this is why I think y'all don't understand. Okay. It was the opposite. The first two years, everybody was trying to see what was up with me. I was having 80 targets. The first two years, I was having 80 targets.

So if we're going to talk about, like, ratio? Yes. I was having 80 targets and was getting like, all right, I'd get two picks out of that when I should have more picks with 80-some targets. Correct. I'm getting 30-something targets. The only other corner that is getting that same amount of, like, respect and treatment is Pat. Nobody else is getting.

Pat is the only other corner where it's like, and another thing, people don't, you don't really see me get beaten. That's why if I ask you, which plays have I got beat in? You will know exactly which one. You want me to tell you why? Because you don't see too much plays that I give you. You can always recall. If I asked you, we'll play, what are you going to say, George? Yeah.

George had a play on me this year. He's probably one of like three receivers to have 50-some yards on me as a single receiver. I've never gave up a hundred-yard game in general, let alone to a receiver. It's never happened. And I don't plan on that happening. Probably the most yards I've allowed by a receiver, probably about 50-some, 60. And after George even made that play, he didn't catch another ball. Right.

I mean, that's me, though. But I understand how it could be, especially, like, social media, you know. Sometimes when you just, you know, when you're not really watching and understanding, you just see certain stuff and you just see the negative because that's how I am. Nobody's posted. In my first couple years, speaking of Jet fans, even if it was some negative, they was always talking about the positive. Right.

Now, if it's a negative play. everybody want to get on that negative. Bro, I got one question. Yes. Why is my play from Atlanta where I tripped on somebody's foot on a two-point conversion trending while the game is still going on? Because of your greatness, you're who you are. Because trust me, if you wouldn't be trending, if you weren't great, Because you built, you built this.

The little things trend. Yes. So that's why I come to this point. People know now if you want to get engagement, if you're having a bad day of engagement, just mention Sauc's name. It's free. It's free. Everybody knows

that. I don't want to give the little Twitter page, whatever they call it, I'm not even going to say the name. But y'all probably know him. I'm not going to get them no little pub. But they know. Because it would be totally random. I'd be chilling.

I just look. I'm like, dang. Why are they tagging me? Right. Where am I coming from? They'll make a little list. Overrated guys in the league. Yeah, yeah.

It'd be four quarterbacks in one corner. You think the corner is. Like, what are we talking about? Does that bother you? Does that bother you? Does that affect you in any way when there's negativity on social media? Or are you able to compartmentalize both and be able to steal? You know what?

Forget what they talk about. I'm still going to go ahead and handle my business. Well, it definitely don't affect me on the field. has a fact that field. I remember when I was early in my career, like, it would be like, bro, what? Like, what sense is this making? Right. And then now it's just like, that comes with the territory.

Yes. What type of time I've been on? Yeah. But I do want to have more picks and stuff like that. But that just lets me know, like, all right, I just got to make the most of these opportunities that's going to come because they're not coming. All right, Atlanta game. I broke, I broke on a ball.

I'm like, I'm thinking Drake Linden. I'm thinking Drake Linden by the jumping to me and try to go. I die. When it's like, if I know he was just going to sit there, I should just ran through the ball. But it's like from that point, I never had another out. And throughout the season, when I was with the Jets, I didn't have no pick up. But so basically what I'm saying is like, if we're going to talk about it, we got to talk about it. It got to be an even playing field because I feel like at times, and it's the reality.

It's excuses for other guys. Yes. It's excuses. Y'all make excuses for these. other corners. And I don't want no excuses. Don't make no excuse for me. Tell me what's really going on with me.

But say what's really going on with everybody else too. If you're all going to try to compare me to these other guys or compare these other guys to me. Because that's just how I got it. That's how I think it should go. You healthy? You healthy. All the way?

Because you had, remember, you had the calf injury and it was concerned, obviously, anytime someone gets a calf injury, they get really concerned now with the Achilles. And so they kind of be overly cautious and maybe where you could have came back in one to two weeks, they push it to three or four weeks to make sure because that's the last thing as a corner. You don't want to ever have to deal with that and knock on wood. Hopefully that does not happen. But you're 100% you have you already started your offseason condition? I'm in Miami with it. You had the

crib? Miami. Why ain't telling me? I just got there. Okay, okay. Now listen, you want to get some work in and let me know. Okay. So what's the one thing that's going to take Salt's Gardner's game to the next level? What do you, what does? What does you? you want to work on. Ball skills, hand-eye. Because, like you said, when you get those opportunities, if you only go get two opportunities, you got to kill. That's why animals, you know, venomous snakes in Australia.

They not that's come across one animal but for a long period of time. So they got to strike it. That venom got to take instantaneous. If you only getting two targets a game, bro, you're going to have to make something. You got to make it happen, sauce. Look, this is a difference. All right, let's go more into it. Targets.

Yes. Every target is not a pickable target. So if I'm getting two targets a game and they throwing it at the ground, underthrow, out of bounce, all right, I had two targets and I ain't get out. What about me? What about paying breakups? Yeah, some of them, some of them probably can. I got to, this is what I want to do. I want to take more chances. That's what I want to do. Because it's not even always just like, all right, just catch the ball. I have had some drops where it's like, just catch the ball.

Like some of them still hunt me. Like, anytime I see that in person, I immediately, think of their 2022 play where he threw it right to me. Yeah. Like, and I drop. You know, but taking chances too, because I've been in the lead in the league some years, so I can make more players, you know, game change. I mean, you study. I mean, trust your instinct. Sometimes I don't think you trust your instinct. You on top of it and you're like, sometimes I just settle for the preview.

For sure, for sure. But I'm not going to lie to you and be like, yeah, I'll always just go take a shot, you know. But, you know, like you said, studying the whole week. Like, you don't have no reason why you should. Be like, that's the play where I'm about to, you know. You go into a week and say, you know what, if they run this route, if they run this route in this down and distance, in this area of the field. And more times and more times and so they always do.

Yes. This is a copycat lead, so they end up running it, and I just PPU. Yeah. It's like some, if I dive, not the one like in Atlanta, but it's something like, if I dive here, like, all right, this is big. I could dive. Yeah. How you feel about traveling with the number one receiver? And that's another thing.

I'm happy with you here because, you know, look, one thing about y'all, y'all talk about all of the stuff that people want to hear. You know what I'm saying? Yeah. So look, all right. We're going to start from 2022. Yeah. Ah, sauce not traveling with the receiver one. He's not doing that.

I couldn't. Kosala wouldn't let me. And I don't think he still let his guys do that. Right. Last year, not including this season, last year traveled with the one receiver. same thing going on I got lower targets traveling with the ones

than when I didn't travel with the one like I'm just saying I guess I have the source have to bring the facts I have I've got double the amount of targets traveling not traveling then traveling

just staying on one side oh he get too many PIs that's what the talk was when last year yeah I think I only had like three this year or four oh he can be missing

tackles I think I only had two missed tackles who have you seen say anything about that nobody nobody so we're going to really be real let's be real

but a lot of people prefer to say the negative and just keep the negative there and don't address the positive so everybody's just looking at it on this negative thing but I'm a realist person so I'm going to talk about the good

and the bad of everything Whether there's any other corner, like, oh, yeah, him, yeah, he ain't have a good game this game. Oh, he had a good game this game. Like, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. And these corners y'all compare me to, that's how to go. Sometimes they have a bad game. Yes. But if I have a bad game, everybody knows I had a bad game.

But it's different because it's a gift and a curse based on who you are, based on the brand that you become. For one, you were in New York. You know what being in that market does to you? It takes you from here to there. You were already great, especially your first two years. So, therefore, they're going to judge you a lot more differently than all the other corners in the NFL. So it comes with the territory. And you got a nickname.

What's that nickname? Sting is not, that's your short. I like, I like, I like, I like, that's a good nickname. But it's short for Stingley. Hey, no part of your first name, Sauce. What's your government? What's your government? Am I.

Yeah. Hey, sauce. It comes with the territory And plus you can Line it up to about Hey They got caught up in the sauce And so people like

People like why is he doing this marketing stuff With his name And my corner can't do that right now You think that's what it is? Yeah Yeah absolutely But look what y'all want me to do Nothing

It's the same No no I'm saying Like I can't do nothing about who I am As a person And what I'm saying Nor should you But I give you a prime example look at time.

Don't nobody call him Deon, everybody called him prime of time. Yeah. And he understood what came along with that, and he called a lot of the same stuff because time came into year before me. He called him the same, a lot of the stuff that you did.

He caught early in his career. But he flipped that narrative. Now it's on you. You could do the same. Yeah, for sure. No, he's somebody who I don't, obviously I watched his highlights, but him as a person.

So, like, that's somebody who I know is, like, the closest to what I can, like, relate to. You know what I'm saying? But his was a little more. Like he was really overly popping it off the field. Like fur, like you can do that? You can do that. You can do that.

That's not even. I'm not going to do something that I, that's not. That's not you. I'm not the, man, take advantage of it. No. The fur? The fur, that's not even. Matter of fact.

My own people is going to be looking at me like, bro, it's not even. Don't worry about it. Don't worry about it. When you score, when you get an interception, put the fur on the sideline. Don't do that, I could do that. You see what I'm talking about? Hey, take it from me. Take it from here.

It's awesome. Take it from here to here. Nah, they don't know it's his fault. So don't get that. Hey, come out of holl us on Nightcap. Oh yeah. Just let me know when. My team said, y'all reached out.

Yes, we did. I'll pull up. Yeah, you'll be out on the West Coast, huh? Yeah, well, you're in Miami, so I have to come night there, because we used talking about Club Chachin. Club Shakesh. Yeah. Club Shesh, that's a little different.

That's the one with like, like, here's catweed thing. Can Whee. Yeah. I remember that. That's the nightcap, you owe nightcap right now. But we got a little different vibe. We got a little different vibe at night than we are now. We got to be, you know, all the advertising and everything.

Yeah, we got to be chilling. Yeah, I'll come on a club, shake, you know what I'm saying? Appreciate you, bro. We reach out. Appreciate you, man. Thank you. Thank you. Salt's Garders, ladies and gentlemen, two-time first team all pro.

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