Nightcap - Best NFL Interviews Radio Row Part 2: Stephen A. Smith, Bo Jackson, Trey McBride, More!

Episode Date: February 8, 2026

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson live from San Francisco Radio Row for Super Bowl LX featuring the New England Patriots and the Seattle Seahawks! Unc & Ocho are joined by Bo Jackson, Orlando Brown Jr., Emmitt Smith, Aaron Jones, Trey McBride and Stephen A. Smith. Download the PrizePicks app today and use code SHANNON to get $50 in lineups after you play your first $5 lineup! https://prizepicks.onelink.me/LME0/NIGHTCAP 0:00 - Bo Jackson Joins22:13 - Orlando Brown Jr Joins27:50 - Emmitt Smith Joins41:30 - Aaron Jones Joins52:39 - Trey McBride Joins59:50 - Stephen A. Smith Joins (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Camt. City Royals. Royals. He's the only player to be a pro bowler and an MLB all-star in the same season. A Heisman trophy winner, one of the greatest running backs in collegiate football history, And arguably, he's going to say who you arguing with, the greatest athlete of all time. There he is. Absolutely.

The legendary. Does anybody really know your first name? It's both. All the people don't. No. It's both. But what's your baby? Is it good.

You're good? You're doing. You're good? You're doing all right? It's busy. Bo, how you doing, bro? I'm doing great. And as far as my name is concerned, now, you all don't know this because you're too young.

But your parents will. Back in the 60s, there was a TV doctor. His name was Dr. Ben Casey. He had a TV show like Marcus Welbitt. Okay. His name was Dr. Ben Casey. His real name was Vincent Edwards. Okay.

I think my mama had a crush on that, so she named me Vincent. So she named me Vincent. So that's my name, Vincent. Okay. I like that. I like that. Do you ever think, like, you know what, how good you could have been if you said, you know what, I'm just going to play baseball, or if I'm just going to play football,

or was your dream always to play both sports at the highest level? I've never thought like that for the simple reason. It was in the cards for me to do exactly what I did. Period. It was in the cards for me to get injured July 13, 19, now. It was in the cards. It was in the cards for me not to be in the Hall of Fame or to go to the Baseball Hall of Fame or to go to Baseball Hall of Fame or the Football League.

It wasn't meant. It wasn't meant for me to be, if they had it back then, As far as the NIL is concerned, I wouldn't have to take a pay cut to go to the NFL and baseball. So it wasn't meant, but I'm happy with the way my life turned out. I say this, and I'm not a very religious man, but God put speed bumps in everybody's road a lot. And it's up to us to slow down, get over that speed bump, move on down the road. Because if you don't slow down when you're going on this speed bump, what's going to happen? You're going to crash.

You can chase the bottom of your car. Yes. So the thing that I did slowed down got over. And I didn't worry about my injuries. I didn't worry about my hip. Cleveland Manor's test got a bigger plan for this. And now, and I'll tell you this, I'm four months, cancer free. Really?

What type of cancer do you have? You don't mind us asking. My urologist found two cancer spots on my prostate. Now they say, now they said, well, we can treat it. I said, no, hell you can't. you gonna take this motherfucker out. I said, I'm 63 years old, dude. Right, yeah.

But I said, but I didn't live my life, but I didn't have been in some. And the first thing that men think, because I know the first thing y'all think, prostit, he got to run, that shit. My sex life old. Man, that's bull. That's bull.

That's bull. That's bull. You were taking them roll spars then. No. No? No. But there's medication out there, for you yes to where if you want to be intimate with your girl which what you but you

can't get at the drop of a hat damn at the drop of a hat but that's all having knowledge about this but we as men yeah i tell you what women can go on tv and they can talk about they've had a hysteric acne they've had cervical cancer they've had breast cancer they talk about everything leak it they sit up and talk about it and have a glass glass of wine but we as men yeah shoot we ain't talking about yes we ain't talk about we win or depends we ain't talking about none that we ain't talking about hey my doctor found out that I got a lump in my breath but and I got breast cancer we don't talk about that because it's taboo yes we got to be the alpha male yes we got to be that alpha dog the strong person

that's going to sit up and be on top of everything. Right. We can't let somebody know that we got shit ballings. So with us, we keep all that balled in. The only time we talk about it is we were behind closed doors with that one doctor. Sometimes we don't go home and tell our family. Nope. No.

Because our family, us, as being the leader, the top dog, and we want them to continue to do that. But see, after my surgery, first thing I did, called buddies that I played that I went to high school with got on a conference call with all my baseball teams talk to my teammates on the football team

talk to guys that I played against guys I played with in the pros on both baseball and football go get checked man they had big of the thing that we could go out here and tackle a bear and knock him out but we're afraid

to go have that conversation with the doctor because we're afraid of what he's going to results yes yes I don't want to know see then that's it you're hurting yourself and you're being selfish when it comes to your family you have some of the right you're hurting yourself yep you hurting yourself but in the thing that I realize is that shit I'm Bojacks if it could happen to me can you imagine now after my shirt you would not believe the number of ex professional athletes have gone through what I just went to yeah nobody knows I had the same thing because I had I dealt with it in 2016.

Yes. Yeah. But they caught it early. I had seed implant where they do the radioactive seeds like the size of rice pellets. They put them in and emitted their radiation for 21 days. I didn't have to have my removal. But now I have to say this. Having seeds is one thing.

But cancer is just like mother nature. Cancer is just like mother nature. They both undefeated. They both undefeated. They both undefeated. You try to keep it at bay as long as you can. But the thing about it, you know what I know, go that's at that. And talk to my doctor, my shirt.

You know what I know. They've been because every six months, you're looking over your shoulder. Yep. You dreading going back to the doctor. Yep. And you shouldn't go through that. Listen, Biggie Cucson, I have my first PSA. have my first PSA test, my numbers were 0.0.01.

And before my service, my number was over seven. Wow. See, the thing about it is that they have a Gleason score. Yep. And the PSA score. Yep. You have to combine. Yep.

And if you're over seven, you've got to get something up. Absolutely. And mine was 7.1, 7.2. Last three weeks ago, I got my PSA back. and then it was 0.0.01. So you get it taken care of? Yes. You don't have to work.

You don't, you're not looking over your shoulder every five or six months. Both. Ben, did you realize how special you were when you was in high school, when you was in college? Did you realize you were this special? I wouldn't call it special. No, Bill, you're special. You were special. But I enjoyed.

having the parents of the other teams sitting in the stand pissed off yelling. Get that man off the field with our children. Yes, but I enjoyed that because we, now a lot of people don't know. In our backfield, there were two other backs that was just as fast as me. In high school? And as dangerous as me. Our three backs in the backfield, we were the state. We were the state four by one relay team for four years earlier.

And I anchored the four by one. Damn. So we got the tight end to be the second leg. Right. The tight end were moving like that? No, but he was six, three, six four head. He had a long try. Okay, okay, okay.

But we just had to fill in with somebody. You got to have four runners. You have to have four runners. So yes, so even then, I didn't see it as being. special, I had the mentality that when I stepped on the field, when I stepped across that white line on the football field or stepped across that chalk line on the baseball field, in my mind, and this is the way I thought. Once I step across that line, I'm the bad as a motherfucker guy. Yeah. And you got, and you got to prove to me that he better than you. You better than me.

And that's just how things were. Our coach taught us, Coach Dad, Coach Pat Die, he taught us in college. When you step on that field, you have to have one reason to snatch his soul, to take his soul, make him want to quit before the fourth quarter. Because the fourth quarter is when we're going to turn up the heat. We're going to run with you for three. Right. And we may score 40 points on you in that three-quarter.

But the fourth quarter, you're going to be looking for it's sad out, trying to get the coach to take you out. Tell the story of why you went to Auburn as opposed to Alabama, because I've heard you tell the story before, but tell the story of why you went to Albert as opposed to Alabama. I was an Alabama fan growing up all my life because that's all we knew. In Alabama, it was Bear Bryant, Coach Brad. And he was in the midst of all his national championship.

And so I wasn't strong. So when I was ranked as one of the top 10 running backs in the state. And Tuscaloose was only 30 minutes from my house. Albans, two hours. And I didn't know where to hear of Auburn won. But I know they were the two biggest scoop. Right. And I come home one day from a baseball game.

Walk in the front door, old white guy sitting at the table with him on drinking coffee talk. It was their defensive coordinator, Ken Donogood. I spoke, went on the upstairs. He came out to Vincent. My name's Coach Donoghue. Coach Brian would have come up for himself, but he had a family issue that he had to deal with. And so we talked, and we were talking,

and he was telling me how good Bama was and how good they're going to be and how Auburn had beat Bama since 1972. It's 19802. And then he said this. Before he said that, he said, we want you at Tuscaloosa. But personally, I don't think you'll get the opportunity to play

until the end of your sophomore or the beginning of your junior season. He said that you in person? Shit, man, shouldn't he? And then he said this. Auburn hasn't beat Alabama since 19772, and they never leave. So he said, well, I'm going to let you finish doing your watching uniform because I know you got a game tomorrow.

Vincent, it was nice talking to you. So I'm thinking and I'm shaking his hand, but I'm smiling, but I'm saying like, motherfucker, you think I'm going to sit on your bed for 10 years. You have to. So by him saying, and they never will, I made sure my freshman year. Should I racked up two. Over the top? I racked up 256 on it.

Two feet of freshman year. As a freshman. With that, was that the bow over the top? And that long run down the side line. Because it was, that was fourth thing, that was fourth and gold. They ask you, they say, what you want? He said, Coach, give me that play all the time. No, we actually practiced that play where we were doing the,

doing the three-on-three years. Yeah. And the defense were 10.I.S. up. We couldn't score. So I went on and said, Randy Camel was what I caught back. and I called him Warren me because he wasn't about it about. Even with his pants on, ran about a buck eight.

With all the pants on. And said, man, I said, look, man, I was seven-foot high jumper in high school. Which I was. I said, let's want to play for our goal to pop. We ran that play three times straight. I scored all three times. So, Coach Dodd said,

why don't we put that play in? and we put that play in, and he called it over the top. That's cool. Wow. You got a podcast. You just started a podcast, right? I'm sorry my podcast. Bold-nosed men's health.

Okay. So all of that stuff we just talked about. Okay. It's about getting we as men to open up about personal medical issues because we hold stuff in too long. We don't talk about it because we think that it integrates us as a man. Yep. The more you talk about it, the stronger it makes you.

So I think it's one of my jobs, like I said earlier, I don't think I was put on this earth to be a great football player, great baseball. I was put on this earth to help put some sunshine in somebody's cloud. And by talking about this where nobody else do, where nobody else wants, I figure that I'm giving something back to the public. because the public has given me enough to where I can, for the next 10 lifetimes.

But I want to give something back. And that's knowledge about men's health. Don't sit up and keep this to yourself. And the thing that I want to do, let's say I come to your, I come to your city. Great. Call you, you get all your doctors, your cardiologist, your urologist, your proctologist, your proctologist, get everybody. Bring them to the five-side chat. Put them on stage with you and I.

Now, what we're going to do is advertising enough to where all the local men in your town are going to want to come. We're going to charge them five to five, five to ten bucks to come for a one-hour five-side chat. Now, those funds aren't going to go to me. Not going to do it. But the funds will go in a fund to help that guy who don't have good insurance like you.

to help pay for the PSA. Yep. To help pay for the colonizer. And what the doctor's going to do, because we are putting them on blast and talking about their company and their clinics, they got to give that patient a discount. They're bad because we are bringing you more pay through that.

And if they had to pay for that market, it would cost them a half a million to a million and $2. So we're giving them that for free to let them come there and talk. So it's all about giving them. back with me. And if I figured I can put some sunshine at one somebody's cloud, I feel that I've done my job.

So it's not about Bo Jackson and what he's done in sports. It's about what I'm doing now. Right. And for years since I left sports, I've been in the shadows. Yeah. I don't raise three kids. They're all grown, married, got good job.

Still trying to get them off the payroll. Good love with that. Good love with that. You're trying to get them off the trip. But I'm happy. I got two grandboys. I spoil the shit out of them. Yeah, man.

Yes, sir. The kids tell you, say, Daddy, you treat them better and give them more than you gave us. Because I love them more. I said, because I love them more. You was my child. These are my grandkids. See, I can bring them over, jack them up on skittles and coat, and send them home to them home to them either. That's what I do.

Buy them whatever they want. My oldest son who's four years old. He'll get my phone or his non-a-na's phone. But he said, Nala, what's the code? Put code in to open it. Go to the Target app. That's them right there. Yeah.

They'll go to the Target app. And he'll find something. Let's say he'll look at a car. Yeah. There's that pop up. He said, I don't have this one. which means you gotta buy me this one. I don't have this one, so you gotta get it from me.

That's what it's all about. Man, I'm happy. The bike ride, you used to do a bike ride across Alabama. Bow Bikes Bama, and this past summer was my last ride. Been doing it since 2012. There's a raise money for a tornado accident. But I want to do something different to help support my name. minority charities.

Okay. And I have come out public with that. That's in the state of Alabama. Okay. That's my home state. Right. In Chicago, I have, uh, uh, Bull Jackson's, give me a chance foundation. Right.

And we raise money for youth golf and for half of the foundation. The other half we donate to the Shirley Ryan ability lab, which is the number one rehab hospital in the world for the path, 35, 30, 30s. 36 years. And we give funds to their challenge patient. The division. So it's all about giving back from me, dude. That's what it is. It's all about it. But you said your grandkids, your grandkids not going to play football. They're going to play baseball. Baseball. That four-year-old, because I take him in Sox Park with the area, he'll get out on, I think it's a rubber balls, get his splashy back. In this joke, a hitting balls to second base. And he's four years of At four already?

He can stroke. He can stroke. Guess who? He'll say, guess who the three most famous baseball players in the world? Guess what he said? He said, Aaron Judge, Hopa and me. And I love it. Yeah.

I love it, man. I'm blessed to the point to where everybody's in my family's happy. Yeah. My grandkids are happy. I'm happy. My friends are happy. And I'm going to do everything I can to keep those people that's in my little, little circle, close to me, make sure they're all right. And they'll make sure they're all right.

How often do you get to the park? How often do you get to football games? Do you go to sporting events? Were you a big, I know you were great at sports, but did you enjoy sports? I love sports. So you get to the park, you get to the games a month? anymore? No. And it's for this reason. What's that? People always ask, well, you like, you can play football right now. It's a man, I pull the muscle

lifting the toilet seat. I'm talking about. I ain't playing no sport. Come on. Be good. I said, I'll golf. And now I can't golf because I got a bicep tear. And, uh... You don't get it fixed? You can get it fixed? But I think it's strange, but I don't think, because I had the MRI. This is just part of getting old. Yeah, yeah. Shit don't heal like they used to. No.

And you go to bed and feel fine and wake up and something hurt the next morning. It feels like you got run over the Bible. What thing I did I do? But I'm thinking that my wife didn't beat me in my sleep. But yes, it's like that now. And we got to take care about it. We do.

We got to take. Don't ignore stuff. If we wasn't on this mic, we wouldn't be talking as. cordial and polite. But don't it, you know our brothers talk. Yeah. They ain't going to say stuff. We ain't going to say stuff.

Don't ignore it, dude. Don't think it's going to go away because you don't know about it. Right. Get to you. Because number one, your doctor's not going to lie to you. You either accept the truth and do something about it and move on down the road. That's your only option. That's it.

Unless you ain't going to be here long. because look at how many guys that we played against with played against played with from high school to now that's not with us I lost three former college teammates all within a span of like three months yes so tell us one more time about the podcast that you're launching is black men no it's called bow nose men's health bow nose men health check out this podcast bow nose men's health you're talking to the greatest this was the greatest athlete of our time, I mean, the last hundred years. There might have been others before a hundred years ago, but if you're talking about the last hundred years, this man, and I

got an opportunity to see him play up close and personal with that Raiders team when he came to Denver and he ran over our linebacker in 1990. You remember that a mile high? Well, I was hot as a jalapeno, whatnot. But you know, something, right after I got off the field from that run? Yeah.

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Absolutely. Bo Jackson, both thanks for stopping by, man. Thank you, man. Thank you, man. Good to see you. Joining us now, Office of Tackle, former Pro Bowl. Obie. Yes, sir.

Orlando Brown Jr. Oh, how you doing, bro? I'm doing good. I'm good. Good to see y'all. How did everything, baby? It's been great. Oh, yeah.

So far, this off season, I mean, what have you been up to so far? Yeah, I've just been in the facility, man. You know, I don't leave Cincinnati. No? That's where I train. Yeah, that's home now? Yeah, that's home. I train there a year round.

I love Sensi, man. It's really, it's a special place. And for me, so much of the sport is about staying in it. Yeah. And I would go down to Miami and train and don't get me wrong. I get in shape. Right, right. But it was the mental aspect.

I felt like I would have to build back up when I came back. Right. Training hard on the facility day-to-day, keeping that same work routine year-round. It just keep me in that state of mind, man. But that's so much. I like your approach. I love your approach. But most of the time, I think about when I was playing,

is after rigorous six months. Yeah. Rigorous six months. Yeah. Putting in the time on and off the field when it came to the game and studying the game, becoming a student of it, being somewhat of a sponge. Once the season ended, I needed to completely disconnect.

Yeah. I needed to recharge. I need to reset. So your approach, I like it. Yeah. I like it. But do you think you'll look back and say, well, damn, I never, bingo. Yeah.

Yeah. Well, you know, early in my career, I would show up the training camp out of shape. I would take my time off. I would be heavy, you know, showing up my first four or five years in the league. And, you know, I would take that time off. I'm going to take that six weeks or, you know, from whenever the season ended until... No, you can't take six weeks. I can't do that.

Right. I'm going to put on 50 pounds. You know what I mean? Okay, I get it. So, you know, for me, as a big guy, like, I got to stay in it and I keep my routine. Okay, I like it. I like it. Man, what you guys got to do?

You look at your guys. You got T, you got Chase. Brown, the running back came on and played unbelievable. You got a solid tight inning. Gisiki. Offensive line was good. probably could get a little better. But what do you guys need to do?

Oh, there's two years in a row with the talent that you got. You got a top five quarterback. You got a top one, top two receiver. You got T on the other side. Your running game is solid. What do you guys need to do to get into the postseason and make a deep run like you did in 2020? Yeah, well, you know, man, we got the hardest piece of the puzzle in nine.

You know what I mean? And a lot of teams don't have that. We're fortunate to already had a hardest piece of the puzzle. But to me, man, it just comes. down to execute me. You know what I'm saying? I feel like in terms of our overall continuity as a team, it hasn't necessarily been there when we needed it. And so whether that

be us winning games in November and December, you know what I mean? It just, it comes down to all of those different things, man. And to me, it points to the players in the locker room. You know, what are you willing to sacrifice, you know, to make sure that we able to go out here and win these games? If you were the GM, if you were Mike Brown, I want you to take, you're not Orlando Brown, the all- offensive tackle. You are the owner and the play caller, the one that can push the buttons on

what we need to do to get over the hump. Whether it's offensively, whether it's defensively, what pieces would you love to add to the team to help you guys out? Whether it's on offense, whether on defense, whether it's special teams, just in general. Yeah, no, I mean, it's always tough answering these kind of questions because, you know, my brother's in there, man. Yeah, I understand. I put every player on the spot as if they weren't said player, how can we improve our team? Well, I think the reality is. is in this league you look at the two teams in the Super Bowl right uh it's it's one of the trenches and so um to me you know I think it's going to start there however however that is

whoever that is um you know having a playmaker I believe at at it's one of those four positions that's going to be extremely important especially in our division um and from there man I think you know that would take care of a lot of issues you know if you're asking me if I want a safety or over a D-Lorman not at all you know I think I think just taking care of of the trenches, man, adding more weapons in that area. You can never have enough D-Lyman. I remember when I was in Kansas City, we played Philadelphia Eagles in a Super Bowl. I think they broke the single season of sack record.

And, I mean, they had a wave, three waves, two or three waves. I'm seeing BG, Robert Quinn, Josh Webb. You know what I mean? They got a wave of ruffers. And so to me, that's what it takes in this league to be able to win. More depth. I like it. Yeah.

I like it. You got, I mean, when you, I look at you, you play a premium position in left tackle. How many more years you want to play, O.B.? I'm going to play, so I'm 40. 10. How old are you now? I turn 30 in May. That's another 10 years.

Yeah, yeah, man. What year is this for you? Eight. I'm going to nine. Nine. Oh, yeah, yeah. You might as well go on to get 20 then. You might be like a, what's the guy?

Slater. Slater. Slater. Jackie Slater. Yeah. I would love to. I mean, honestly, I want to play this game as long as I can. I really love this game, and I grew up in it, as you know, you know what I mean?

I grew up around Tony Jones and my dad and Jonathan Nogden and, you know, so many of these great players that Ray Lewis, man, just to be able to have that perspective at eight years old when those men come over and they sit down and talk with my dad because he's the OG on the team and be able to listen to those conversations and hear what they gave to the game. Man, it's so special. It's so special to me. And so, man, I love what I do. You know what I'm saying? And I love what the game is done for me. Man, I hate to say it, you know, I love my life outside of the ball, too.

But, man, I'm going to give him all. I'm going to give him all. And hopefully we look back when I'm 40 years old. We walk away, and I got a gold jacket. Hey, I like it. I like it. Yes, sir. Have a good.

Orlando. Good to see you, baby. Orlando Brown Jr., thanks for joining us, bro. Of course, appreciate you. My 1990. Legend. Draft mate. Legend.

Gator legend. Cowboy legend. Well, I love gifts. What's up, boy? I love gifts, him. Long time, no feet. What's on the beard, baby? I can.

Hey, hey. And 90, we got to do it. I still got a little black in mind, though. I mean, you went all the way. I know you ain't got no black. Hey, Emmett, you're a silver fox, huh? You're a silver fox? I am what I am.

Yeah, I like you. But what we got here, boy, you know, I love free gifts. Let me introduce him. All time leading Russia NFL history, a former MVP, Super Bowl MVP, first ballot hall of famer. Here he is. 1990, classmate. We go way back.

We ain't going to mention. SELs. SELS. Black College Beach Week. This is my dog, Ebisville. So as I want you said, what do we got here? Well, what you got in your hand right now is a tablo device that connects. It's an antenna that connects to your television network.

And it streams live stuff throughout the entire house. Yeah. As far as every room that has a TV and it can connect through it, you get over 125 channels. And not to mention, you can watch pause, record, live television stuff, news, local news, live sports and popular shows. You can do all those kind of things, just as if you would, paying a subscription for something. Instead of paying all these different subscriptions, you can do a lot right there with on Tableau. The people ain't going to come to my house, do all right, isn't it?

No, you can set it up on your own. No, I'm just talking about because we get all this stuff that we ain't paying for. What people are you talking about? There people that say, hey, you ain't paid for them people. Who are them people? Do people that were you a, were you ain't paying for it? Ish? When you ain't paying nothing, they're going to come here?

They gave that to you. Okay. These people gave it to you. I don't know who them people are. I would say, Emma gave me this. So if y'all got some problem, y'all can take it away. Now, if you want to write, you know, you want to pay taxes on it, then that's on you, but that's a gift. That's under $1,000, under $10,000.

So you should be good. Oh, yeah. I'm going to use this. I'm definitely going to use this. You pay one subscription, right? You just pay one time. One time, and you get all this stuff. Yeah, yeah, you don't have to pay the monthly stuff.

You look, this is McDonald's guy. Yeah, I know. This is a guy that, you know, you used to wear a fake stuff to win. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, used to. Not no more. I said used to. I did say used to. I did say used to.

Yes, sir. What's been good? What's going on? Not much, man, everything's good. I can't complain. Still in Dallas. Still in Dallas. Still in Dallas.

He's not going to live. Yep, still doing that. Kids still growing up. My son, E.J. is getting prepared to, for his pro. day at A&M. That's dope. And so giving him,

sending love his way and wanting to see if he can fulfill his dreams as well. So you know how that is. Yeah. I got an important question too. Go ahead. I got a very important question because we're dealing with someone here, the greatest star, the greatest player to where they're starting his helmet. So I've always had a dialogue with Cowboys fans.

They've gotten on me. They've gotten on me for what? Because I'm thinking about George Pickens and how valuable he is. And what he was able to show in the small samersize and how great he can be in the right situation, it's time for a nigga paid. I would like to know your thoughts and me, my thoughts, before you go, is him going to a team where he can maximize his true value?

What do you think? King is getting paid. I would say George Pickens is at the right place. He is in the right place. He has a place where he can flourish. He has a place right alongside CD land. Because I think you have to have a Batman and a Robin together. Urban had Harper.

Rice had John Taylor. And even when you go back to... Swan and Stallworth. Yes, yes. So you have to have that kind of scenario. And I think what you saw was a glimpse of how good he can really become in a system that supports that type of environment. Yes.

And so my hope is that Jerry and George get this contractual stuff behind them, so we don't have to be dealing with all these questions during this time of season. The Dallas Cowboys deserve and the fans deserve a very quiet, boring offseason. When does that ever happen? That's why they deserve one. That's why they deserve one. Yeah, I like it. I like it.

And I love the examples of the duels that you just said. But when I think about George Piggins and C.D. Lamb, those are two number ones. So based on what George Piggins is done and what George Piggins has showed you, whatever contract, the one that he deserved, it has to overlap that of C.D. Lambs. Maybe, maybe not. First and foremost, we want to take a pay cut. First of all, we don't know if he is the number one. A number one don't quit. A number one.

goes through and don't pout when he doesn't get the ball. Number one, understand that defenses could be doubling up on one, and you don't get not a throw. A number one says, okay, I'm going to draw double coverage. You better tell that one-on-one up by yourself. Yes, sir. A number one says, hey, how can we run the ball? I mean, we're trying to throw the ball against double coverage over here,

and I got guys all over me. Yes, sir. And I got to defend. I'm playing the defense back. You didn't hire me to play DB. So a number one would say, run it out. on ball winning six in the box or seven in the box. What did Michael tell you in cover two?

What did he tell you? But Michael says, throw it to me anywhere. I'm going to go get it. And Michael went and got it. But Mike went and got it. Right. In cover two, you got to run them up out of it. But Mike ran and got it, though.

Yeah. Mike was never afraid of going in there against two guys or three guys. Yeah. Mike, tell you right now, you throw that slant, my folks back in Miami going to eat. Yeah. Because I'm going to catch that slant. I may get knocked out. Right.

But I'm going to cast that slam. I'm going to go on the ground like this. Kek. And they're going to be moving a change. And so that's the mentality that George need to develop. You said a key word. He has to get in that system

that affords an opportunity to showcase his number one. Harper thought he was the number one until he went to Tampa. A system also give you the ability to shine at your best. The right system.

The wrong system will hold you back. But this is the funny thing about it. it is is George Pickens has a skill set. Me, knowing receivers is he has a skill set to go anywhere and be able to show what he does. I doubt that. I'm

telling you, because we saw him do it in, we saw them do it in Pittsburgh and Spursby. And they didn't even have a quarterback, he? You put George Spitzel in Oakland. You put George Pickens in Oakland? Put them in Oakland. With Mendoza coming? No, no, no. You put them in Vegas. No. You put them in Vegas. Yeah. Right now. Right now?

Right now. Get in the ball. put it in his hands. No. Put him in position to make the plays. You've got to have somebody that can get in the ball. He can put in the ball. So all I'm saying is the way he flourishes at is when he got somebody that can get in the ball and there's a concerted effort.

Whether you double him or double CD, one of them are going to be one-on-one. And I better destroy somebody that's one-on-one. If I'm not destroying somebody one-on-one, that means the tight end is free too. He's one-on-one. And so I'm going to run him out of that. They're going to have to go back to a cup of two. Yep. I'm going to get mine.

Right. But see, nobody's understanding, though, either. selfish part about football. I knew if it was eight in the box. I'm like, dang, dang, I can't get a hundred. But I tell you what, that eighth man going to get it. Yes. He's going to fill it.

Four quarter, he ain't going to want to stick his head in there. Yeah. That's what has to happen. And I knew going into certain games, whether it was against Philly, when they, Bud and Ryan, had that eight man, that bare defense. Bear defense? I'm like, man, I'd be lucky to get 55 yards today. But I knew that.

But I'm looking at Earth. Better eat. You better eat because when it's my time to eat, I'm going to eat. Yes, sir. So that's the yin and the yang of the game. Because the system and the defense also dictates what's happening. Because they can bracket you without even covering you. And close down the throwing lanes and throwing gaps.

And guess who you got to pull the trigger, the quarterback? And if he's not comfortable with those small windows, he ain't throwing it your way. and got nothing to do with the system. We had a conversation yesterday. Ocho and I was having a conventus conversation. Hopefully that answer your question. It's a little selfish on your part a little bit. It's a little selfish on the Cowboys fans part as well

because I'm looking at something else. Chat? No, you're looking at the right thing? Chat, remember we had the conversation yesterday and I told CD, excuse me, I told Chase. And Chase was trying to tell me, X, Y, and Z. I say, well, a number one, I say you never let how much you get in the ball or the situation dictate how hard.

you play. No. You play hard regardless of circumstances. Whether I catch 10 balls or I catch one, I'm going to play hard. We've seen him drift. Forget about anything that may or may not have happened in Pittsburgh, late for this, late for that, or whatever the case may be. But we've seen it firsthand that when he's not getting the ball, it became a national story because the head coach said I had a conversation with George and we can't let what happened at Thanksgiving against the Lions. We can't let that happen again. So that's, that's a lot. So that's That's all I've ever seen. Here's what I'm going to say.

What brand you got? What brand do you have? What brand do you have? What kind of football player were you? What kind of football player were you? That's it. That's your brand. What kind of football player in my mouth? I don't have to talk about it.

It goes in the room before I get there. And at the end of the day, Yes, sir. George has to ask and say, what do I want to send on the football field before I get to? I want people to be in the locker room or in their study room. and I want the offensive court, they come up, guys, we got to stop the run this week.

This 22 back here that they got, we can't let him get going. Yes, sir. Because if we let him get going, hey, they ain't going to kill us. Then Novichick going to get going. So we got to figure out of the way. How are we going to do this? I want them to have a damn nightmare thinking about how they're going to stop us. Because at the end of the day, you can't hold everything back.

And when you hold one back, I got, now I understand why. I get, thank you for the respect. Yes, sir. And all I'm saying, George has to develop that kind of, it's not all about me. And that's the problem with a lot of kids today. They think everything is about them. And so I had, what I learned from Jimmy one day, I'm a rookie. We have an two-minute drill on Thursday night.

You have two-minute drill. And Jimmy's in charge of spotting the ball. He's the rip. Yeah. And so it's third and by four. I get five yards, do my little hook up, catch the ball first. I see first down. I see first down.

Jim said, no first down, no first down. Move his back three yards. So I was like, no, I got the first down. He said, no first down. Get in the huddle, get in the huddle. I said, but coach, I got the first down. Get in the huddle. So I go into the huddle, then we're breaking the huddle coming out.

He said, time out. Call time out. Troy walking over to the sideline. I go up, so I said, Coach, I got the first day. Get your buddy in the huddle. Embarrassed me in front of all my teammates. I was mad. So I didn't talk to him.

After practice, I walked by him, don't say nothing. I'm going to the meeting room back there, walk past and don't say nothing. Come back out of the meeting room, going to the training room, walk past and don't say nothing. Getting ready to leave the training room, walk past him. He said, oh, you're not going to speak? I said, coach, why you get on me like that? Why are you embarrassed me in front of my team? He said, E, I want you to know something.

That wasn't for you. That was for everybody on the team to know that if I can get on my best players. Yeah. And if you're not one of the top players, then you don't stand in change. But I was mad because I had to call a timeout. I was mad at the OC for not getting to play any time enough. Didn't have nothing to do with you. And I understood that.

I said, wow, what a lesson to learn. We thought and we think things are about us. George is not all about you. CD is not all about you. Tight end is not all about him. Dak, it's not all about you. Five guys up front that protect all of y'all in order for you to get the ball. Make it about them.

Because that's how you get the running game going. and that's how you get the pass game going. If DAC is on his back, he can't throw a damn pass. Not at all. Not at all. So it's just that simple to me. Hall of Famer, number 22 for the dollars, Cowboys. Emmett Smith.

I appreciate it. Hopefully that educated you. A little bit. Do we get to keep it? Oh, but don't nobody give me nothing. I gave you something. Appreciate. I'm just saying I rarely get gifts, but I appreciate that.

To me you rarely get gifts. Let me accept gifts. Hey, Emma gave me a gift, huh? We talked about. Appreciate you, dog. But no, but that's the real ad. Yeah, yeah. Hey, it's more to be talked about.

There's more to be talked about. Okay, whatever. I mean, we're talking, we're talking. We're talking. We're talking. What's the number one? Am I going to get it? Is he going to get his shit?

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Good to see you, dog. I ain't lying neither. And you know. Shit. You're trying to tell me. He's playing with the Green Bay Packers from 2017 to 2023. Now he's a Minnesota Vikings 24 moving forward. Kind of dinged this year. Harriers, Aaron Jones.

AJ, what's going on, bro? What's up? What's up? Yes, sir. Ah, man. Let's start with the elephant room. It's got to be paying for it. The guy that y'all had the quarterback last year is here.

How different do you believe your season would have been had that guy still been in your locker room? Um, I feel like we, we, last year, we only lost to two. two teams, really. We lost two games. We lost the two games, two to the Rams and then two to the Lions. So I felt like we had everything we needed, but, you know, we're not GMs or nothing. That's outside of us.

Yes. But definitely, you know, when you got a group of guys behind a quarterback and he wants to stay somewhere, I think you try to make it work. Right. When I look at you, look at your general manager, Quase Adolfo, Mitz. He ended up losing his job. Obviously, you know, they said, well, he had this many draft picks and only two Pro Bowl players were selected. And Sam Donald ends up going to on a very friendly contract.

There's no question in my mind that the Minnesota could have matched that contract. Because it seems like it was like $30-something million in a couple of incentives. You win your division and you win a playoff game. You get to the Super Bowl. Man, who wouldn't put those kind of incentive in there? I mean, I mean, I got to pay a million dollars if he gets to the Super Bowl. I would gladly play a million dollars to get a guy getting a guy. me to the Super Bowl. I pay him too. I'll pay. You got my check in this

Super Bowl check. How do you feel? I mean this year you got Nicked a little bit it. It's been a while. I mean, normally you're very durable. You catch the ball up. You'll do a threat. You can catch it. You can run it. But you've got to got Nick this year. How disappointed and frustrated was your season this year compared to years paying? It was a little frustrating. I wouldn't say disappointing because I got to step up as a leader. Find different ways to make an impact. But it was because I feel like when I'm healthy and when I'm out there can't be F with.

At all, at all. So it's a point of just staying healthy, and I never felt like after I got week, week two, I pulled my hamstring in. Yeah. Really didn't get back healthy until I came back, but really wasn't feeling myself to Detroit. At first time we played Detroit, I came out in the first half, had like 78 yards, and then start the third quarter AC joint. Missed the rest of that and just battling.

So just get back to it. really growing this offseason, take care of myself, and I had a best one yet. Show everybody I still got it and I'm still him. And I'm the best running out. Outside of having to prove yourself, not even prove yourself, but prove all the doubt is wrong. In your team, you look at the landscape of your team,

what do you think you guys need to do differently to be able to be in the conversation and be here? Well, you're not here talking with us, but you're here doing Radio Road Media in the Super Bowl next year. What do you think needs to happen? I feel like it comes down to execution. And minimizing the mistakes. You got to play mistake-free football.

Or at least, you know, nothing's going to be perfect, but don't turn over the ball. Anytime you don't turn over the ball, you get yourself a chance to win. But just all 11 playing with a mean streak across the board. Because I feel like when we would lock in and we moved the ball, but if nobody was saying, none, it wasn't happening. So just staying on top of everybody.

when we get in the huddle and being an enforcer of confidence. Like, hey, is there any place y'all rather be? Y'all dream to be in here right now. So, like, let's go do this. I don't care who's standing in front of you. Yeah. And it was a, because that's how I think when I step on the field. Like, I came in with Arod, DeVante Adams.

But in my head, I was the best player on the field. Maybe was I really? Maybe not. But you got to be that. I believe it. You got to have that mentality. 100%. As you mentioned, Arod, he's contemplating retirement.

He's about to be 42 years. years of age. What advice would you offer, Aaron? Like I said, you had some great years with Aaron. You won some MVP. You was there when he won MVP when he was at his absolute apex. Yes. If you could offer some insight, you know, he said, I want to decompress.

I want to take some time away from this before I make my decision. It seemed like he was having fun. The most fun he's had is a very long time in Pittsburgh as opposed to the previous two seasons in New York. Anything you want to share? That's exactly what I was about to hit on. I think he got a lot of ball left. You see him out there.

He looked like he having fun. His celebrations, the love for the game is back in his heart, and you can see it. And he's a competitor. I think he comes back. I think he got a lot left. You see at the end of one of the games, he threw a hell, Mary, just flicked his wrist. 70. You can't just come out and coach that.

If he comes back, would it be there or would it be in Minnesota? I like him in Minnesota. I mean, that's my dog. Yeah, I'm just, I'm just throwing that. And then just what he brings to a locker room is like, that leadership that it's a standard. Like, if you aren't in your playbook, oh, you ain't, you ain't seeing the field. Like, he's going to, he's going to test you. He's going to throw some signals out there.

And he's going to see if you really care about it. Right, right. And as a player, like, I love that because I, I'm in, I'm in my books. I'm making an effort. Like, I came from Utah from nothing. something like right so I had to had to earn that and when you do it the right way and it's noticed it's refreshing and most definitely young when I think about it too just envision it hypothetically speaking you know quarterbacks normally flourish especially

like Aaron Rogers who's now on the older side so you put him in a situation where he doesn't have to elevate those around him but the team around him can elevate elevate him and you know what you know what team can do that we got Hockerson's gonna be back hey they got Nailer it makes sense to me you're running the ball in the back field. Jordan Mason is still there. You've got a situation where you're going into your 10th season. Normally 10 years for a running back, that's kind of, that's normally that kind of it.

But you're still playing at an elite level. What would you attribute that you? Just stand on top of, even though I was banged up a little bit this year, just stand on top of my body as much as I can, trying to find different things and different ways to stay in front of it. I'm back in the facility. After I lead a facility, I'm back in a facility. every day for about two hours.

I go home, two hours, hang out, grab my son. He comes to the facility with me. He in the hot tub. He in a coach. He and Asana. He's doing all of that. So, just finding ways to stay ahead of the game and then just really busting my butt in the

off season. Just kind of, I took it from Jerry Rice. I was watching something. He was saying he don't take much time off. Yeah. From running, like he keeps his body going. He's active. So it never, all right, I'm old, now I got to get this body back going. So I'm just kind of took that from him.

And then I think it's a mentality than want to. I want to play this game for as long as I can. So they tell me I can't. So it's funny because we had Harrison Smith, C.J. Hamm retired this year. And I'm looking at them. I'm like, yeah, I don't, this is not going to be me. I don't, like, I'm going to have to go through the list. They're going to have to care you.

You can't play. Drew, this team don't want me. Okay, call the next thing. And that's how I feel like this is going to end to me. I like it. I like it. You got a quarterback. You selected very high JJ McCarthy,

but he's kind of been Nick, missed his entire rookie year and was in and out of the lineup this year. What do you think he needs to do in order to stay healthy on the field and then prove because right now he's up against the ghost of Sam Donald? Sam Donald was there, as you mentioned, they won, y'all was 14 and 3 the years of Sam Darnel was playing. And now Sam goes to another team, and he's in the Super Bowl.

So unfortunately for him, he's up against the ghost of Sam Darnie. I think he's just got to come in and continue to grow. Continue to believe in himself. And I always tell him you're here for a reason. Yep. We need you. And you made it this far about what you got up here and your God-given ability in the work that you put in.

So don't let that change. You don't let no outside noise change you or how you think of yourself. Because confidence is a big thing when you're going to. step on that big confidence is everything just trying to steal that into him but uh just getting back to the fundamental sitting down um taking deep breath and i feel like trading camp will be huge for him all those reps and stuff like that and i say with a young quarterback it takes time yes like you look look at sam they was ready to write him off at one point yeah uh look at uh jordan love he had time to come in and sit down and develop.

Bryce Young this year, he had time to sit down and... He didn't even sit down. He played through that development, though, and they gave him that time. He got benched and came back and still look good. Yeah, so... I got you. It takes time for quarterbacks. I think we're so used to those cornerstone quarterbacks that we've had for a while,

and I think it's changing over, and it takes time for them... But people just look at Peyton, and they look at Peyton. And they're like, look at Peyton, man, Peyton was terrible as rookie year. I was in the league. I was in the league. And Tom didn't even start his rookie year. So we don't know what Tom could or couldn't have been. And then for the first couple of years, they were a run defensive football team before the time.

Yeah, we see the finish product of the Tom, but Tom didn't start off like that. Because if he started off like that, he wouldn't have been a sixth round draft pick. He'd have been a first round draft pick. But that being said, you do. And you hear all the quarterbacks talk about it. You hear Peyton. You hear Tom. you hear Drew, you hear some of these guys.

They're not developing quarterbacks anymore because everybody wants this thing instantaneous. They're not willing to, they were not willing to let these guys grow. Bro, you ain't wanted some playoff game yet? Bro, I'm a rookie. 100%. It seemed like it all fall on them too.

Yes. And it's not always them. There's things around them that got to be working too. We got to make their job easier, like you said. Because the thing is now you see the cap went up to like between 301 and 305. million. So in the next five years, that means the cap's going to be down near $400 million. The money and keep coming in. So with that being said, when you've got to pay,

within the next 10 years, you know there's going to be a quarterback making $100 million a year. Oh, 100 percent. He's going to be making $100 million a year. Just let us the other than Democrats get a little song. Just let us get a little song. And so the thing is that, hey, we're going to pay somebody $100 million a year. I got to know for certain he can play. He's the one. He's got to be the one.

100 million. He got to be able to take us to the game. For sure. $100 million. That's a big investment. Yeah. Aaron Jones, thanks for joining us, bro. I appreciate y'all. Love, Legends. You have to see you in the middle of a day. Sir, you already know.

Tried in. 25, first team all pro. 126 catches with the NFL record for a tight end. Legend. 1,239 receiving yards. 11 touchdown. He just broke the record, single season record for a tight end. Trey McBride.

Trey, how you doing, bro? Yeah, man, doing good, man. Appreciate y'all, man. This will be dope. Listen. Let's go and get you by. Mad. You're here for the Madden, right?

Yes, sir. So talk to us about it. Just, you know, obviously great game. Madden, you know, obviously love playing, man. And what do I got to do to get one more point, man? I'm a 98, man. You're probably going to be a 9-I-N-I'm going to sit together with my team. We're going to discuss because obviously it should be a 99,

which you were able to do this season. So tremendous. Yeah, we're going to have to sit down to talk about that. I got you. I got you. I got you. You want the gold shoes in that chain. I need that chain.

That kind of conversation isn't even deep. It's more so common sense. Yeah. I got you. The numbers talking, man. Yes, sir. Yes, sir. You had an unbelievable season.

Obviously, you had an individual great season, not the team success that you had hoped for. Your head coach got relieved of his duty. What do you think you guys need to do? You hired Mike LaFleur, who's an officer coordinator at the Rams. What do you think you guys need to do in order for you to make a playoff run to get into the playoffs and see some of this individual success that you're enjoying? Let people see you on the big stage in a playoff game. I think, you know, we're right there, man.

We're close. We're in every single game. We're in the fourth quarter. We're, you know, one play here, one play there. And I think that's what we need, man. We just need that one play to get us over the edge, man. We're right there. We just got to finish games. And last year we just weren't finishing games good enough. And I think we're going to just finish games this year, and we're going to be right there in that conversation. How's the body holding up? After having a season like that, having that amount of catches, going through that kind of punishment, how is the body holding up so far? Yeah, I feel great, man. I feel really good, man. I wish I was still playing. You know, I feel good enough to keep playing. So I just got to keep going. I'm young.

man just feeling great, so just got to build on it next year. Are you the best tight-in to football? You know, I'm a great tight-in, man, but these are Travis. No, no, no, no, no. Don't answer, P.C. Yes, you are the greatest tight-in in football right now. It's okay. It's hard because, you know, Travis, George, you've got to been doing it for a long time, man. They've got a body of work, a log body of work, and I just got to stack a few more years

and I think we could put myself in that conversation. The first three years of your NFL career, you had six touchdown. Yeah. This year, you break out, you have 11. What was different? What clicked this year as a, I mean, obviously your third year, you had an unbelievable season. But what was it for you that totally, like you were totally in sync? And it seems to me that once Jacobi Bresset got a day, he's like, hey, get open, Trey.

Yeah, I think that's exactly what it was, man. Jacobi was just like, if it's one-on-one, man, the ball's coming to you. I just expect the ball to come to you. And even if it's two-on-one, man, the ball's coming to me. So Jacobi just had a lot of faith in me. He had a lot of trust in me. and I think that's what it was, man. He just believed in me,

and the opportunities kept coming, and I was making place for him. Have you had an opportunity to study the Rams offense because that's the offense that you guys are going to be running? Now, normally, that offense is predicated on the outside guys. You see Cooper Cup, you see Puka Nakua, you see Devonte Adams. It's really not tight-in-centric, but...

And I like your guy. Wilson? Is that the name? Mike Wilson? He's a dog, man. Nice. I was trying to tell him. But you're their best receipt.

And so now you're going to have the gear on offense that's really suited to make sure you get your catch and make sure you get your target. Yeah, I think of the other thing about it, man. Not only did they have the receivers. They led the league and 13 personnel, man. So they love the tight end. They're going to put the tight end out on the field and they're going to throw to the tight end too. So I think that's a huge part of us. But we do have two great receivers with Marvin Harrison, Michael Wilson.

Man, we got a lot of weapons on that offense. And I'm just excited to see how Michael Ford is going to get all the ball, man. it's going to be a lot of fun. When you got into the league, what was your expectations? What did you hope to accomplish? Because you've had such success. He's gone to a couple of Pro Bowls, and here you are. You set the NFL record, most receiving yards in a single season by a tight end,

126, 126, almost led the league in reception. You finished three behind a puka, 12, 39, and 11 touchdowns. What were your hopes? When you got into the league, what did you say, you know what? My first quarter, my first four years. year than the NFL. What were you hoping to accomplish? You know, I knew I was a great player. I just wanted to be the best player that I could be. I didn't know to this extent that I was going to be as good as I did, man. You get the opportunity. You get a little bit of success, man.

And it's like, I'm just hungry for it. Man, now I just got to do what I did last year, beat it again. And now it's just consistency, being able to do it over and over and over again. And I think that's what really makes a great tight end is doing it over and over again. I definitely agree with that because the thing is that it's easy to sneak up on someone when really people don't know who you are. But you know. But you know. when defensive coordinators go into that room on Monday, they got that number circle. This is the guy that we got to neutralize.

If we want to have any hopes of winning this ball game, we've got to keep this guy under control. And for you to go out there game in and game out, week in and week out, and show the level of consistency in which you've done, that speaks volumes of the type of player that you are. Yeah, and it's a lot harder to get open now. You know, it used to be easy,

and no one knew who the hell I was. I was getting wide open, and now I'm getting chipped at the line. I'm getting double team here and there. And I think it just, it means more when I catch a ball now because it's like I had to really work for it, man. It wasn't just schemed up. It wasn't. I really had to get open and work for it.

You had to beat two guys instead of one. And it just means a little bit more. So now it's no secret, man. Now I've got to do it again when everyone knows who I am. When it's all said done, how do you want your career? How do you want to be remembered? How does Trey McBride want to be remember when it's all said and done? Just as a consistent, you know, elite player, man, a guy who kind of did everything the right way, you know, played for his teammates.

and most importantly, man, did it the right way. I think that's the most thing is you don't want to cheat the game, man. You just want to keep building it and then just do it the right way, and I think that's what I'm trying to build. You know, the thing is in your quarterback, Connolly, you've been there, he's been there your entire time, and there's a stretch that he might be leaving, it might be traded, and now some of that's been taken back

that there's a chance that he might stay there. Are you okay with that, or you think you guys, college kind of got knicked, but you had great seasons under Calder. I mean, it just skyrocketed. It just skyrocketed with Jacobi. Yeah, man, I love Kyler, man. He's a tremendous player. A guy who can make all the off-scheduled plays, man.

He can do it all. So I love everything about him, man. I'd love to have him back as a quarterback because, obviously, we've got a great chemistry. We got, I know exactly what he's thinking. But, you know, whoever's back there slinging it, man, I'm going to get open for him. And we're going to make it happen, baby. So we can pencil you in, 1.30 next year? Yeah, 1.30 and just add, you know, add one or two to all those.

Because, you know, okay, you already got it. the record so you might as well try to get uh i think Kelsey Kelsey got over 1,400 so you got to get that one and I think Bronx has like 17 16 17 so I got some work to do no doubt all you got to do is start off early you start off early those first five weeks yeah and just cruise the rest of the season with the touchdown you get you get 130 plus 1,500 yards and 16 touchdown you might be the first tight end to win in MVP with those kind of numbers man congratulations great please I'm doing. Thank you.

But how you doing it, bro? I'm doing all right, man. It's good to see y'all, man. Proud of y'all is always doing y'all think. I watch y'all when I can, especially nightcap, you know, doing y'all things. I said, my boy just making noise and stuff. Winning, you know, winning top 10 across the boy handling this business. Yes, sir.

And I've been in it as long as he had in the podcast world and all that. I have my feelings, sir. I'll be like, kicking my ass. You know, but I'm like this. No, no, he's a pioneer. Yeah. I'm following him. So I'm good with it.

I'm good with it. So what's you've been like? Go ahead, don't you? No, I'm going to say, I want to talk a little basketball. Go ahead. Sure. I know he knows. He has a knowledge.

He's in the game. Understand the game. It can hear some of the things that we can't hear in the background. Janus and Jha. Yeah. Is there a move for those two before today's, before the four o'clock dead? It's highly unlikely. It's highly unlikely.

It's still possible, but highly unlikely. Yannis has four calf injuries since over the last 19 months. Now, I'm a Knicks fan. Yes. So long-suffering, die-hard Knicks fan And I'm sitting up there, yeah, you saw you. I still remember how you always tease me about that. Oh, my goodness, it'll get me started with him.

But the thing about it is this. I'm like, go get him. Go get Janus. Go get Janus. And then the calf injuries came. I was like, wait a minute now. I mean, wait a minute now, because here's the reason why. Is he really hurt, Stephen A.

I'm going to tell you why you get nervous. KD. Calfe injury before the torn Achilles. You see what happened last year. Halliburton, Tatum, Damien, Lillet. You get nervous. And so the worst thing that could happen to the New York Knicks, you're going to have to trade at least two players in a couple of picks.

And if you do that and then Yonnas can't go, oh, what a disaster. I can't hear that. And he's going to want a Mack extension this summer too. That's right. And so I worry about that. In the case of John Morant, here's my problem. First of all, all of these cats that want to get on him for his troubles from years ago, stop that. Right.

Just stop that. You know, he's young, made a mistake. Let it go. Damn, let it go. But here's what you can hold against him. I see no change in this game. I see no change in his game. No, no evolving.

No, no evolving. You shoot 23% for three-point range. Do you know that that's the second worst three-point shooter in the NBA right now? Hold on, Stephen Rane. I'm just saying. At the second level and when it's time to drive, that's where he makes his hate. But what I'm saying to you is the way the game is now, you've got to be able to be a perimeter threat.

So he could give you 18 to 20 a night when he's. Yeah. The problem is to get you to the next level. You got to be able to hit from a way to fast. Especially with him being as slim as he is. Yes. You got to be able to get to. You can't shoot 23% as a guard.

Can't shoot 23% for a three point range. You can't do that. And so when I'm looking at him, maybe it's because of the distractions, maybe it's because of the money you got comfortable. But I'm not seeing any evolving in your game. And that's what I'm worried about. Not that he can't play. I know where he can evolve.

I know where he can evolve. Coming on down at a structured environment where discipline is. is concerned in Miami. I don't mind, Jack. I don't mind. But wait a minute. But at the expense of whom? Because I ain't letting go to Tyler Hero for him.

What? Let me tell you why. Tyler Hero can shoot. He can spread the floor. If Jai can't shoot, then how that's going to help Bam? How that's going to help Kelle Ware? How that's going to help these other cats? You need to have somebody that can shoot from the outside to keep you honest.

So when you come out there to defend him, it gives your big some space. You can't have a cat that's got to go to. to the hole. Listen, remember when Ben Simmons was playing? Yeah. This is an all-time play. I'll never get as long as I live.

Carmelo Anthony is guarding Ben Simmons. And then it's like a light bulb flashing. He said, what the hell am I doing? And turned his back to Ben Simmons and sprinted to the paint. He said, what am I guarding him out there for? He'll never shoot that. Okay. You see what I'm saying?

If you do, he ain't going to make it. You got to make somebody respect you enough to guard you away from the basket. Okay. this game. Everybody, I mean, only one player, and Jane Daniels, and Daniels and Connor from Threads. Well, the only two people that we've had come across this desk

and pick the Patriots to win this game. Yeah, it ain't going to be me. Ain't going to be me. I ain't picking no damn Patriots. I hope that's not what you were leading to. I'm going to pick them. So right now it's 10 to 2, everybody else that's coming up here to talk to Ocho and I.

It's 10 to 2, Seattle, To win over the paper. Then I'm 11? Yeah, I'm 11. Yeah, I'm 11. What is it about the Seahawks that you love? They're the most complete team. New England went against the charges, damn good defense.

Yeah. They went against Houston, elite defense. They went against the Broncos, 68 sacks, four shy of the all-time record. I know you know everybody told Broncos. None of them were considered number one. It was Seattle. That's the defense you got to go against. Then I'm looking at the Patriots offense that's only giving you 18 points per game in the postseason.

Now, I understand the Blizzard in Denver in the second half, right? But how you explain the first four in the first four possessions, you had three in the first half? How do you explain the fact that you were struggling really to score against Houston? How do you explain the fact that you were struggling to score against the charges? But I'm supposed to believe you're going to score against Seattle? And then when I think about in Jigba, I'm like, he ain't stronger, bigger, faster than nobody, but you can't stop him.

He was doing, he was wreaking havoc at Ohio State. Now look what he's doing in Seattle. That's why you let go of D.K. McCaff is your number one option because you could afford. And this brother had been playing lights out. Sam Donald suddenly looked like an all-world quarterback. You know, Kenneth Walker, everybody talking about Sharper they being out. But let me tell you something about Kenneth Walker.

He did rush for over 1,000 yards. He did average 4.6 yards to carry. I'm like, how are we sleeping on him? We can't sleep on these brothers. I just think they're the most complete team. And I think the only shot New England has of winning this Super Bowl, they have to hold Seattle to 20 points or less. Because I don't see them scoring more than 20.

No. They're going to have to Coke some turnovers. That's right. Now, Sam Donald has been great in the postseason. He's taking care of the football. As long as he doesn't revert back to what we think and what we've seen him be, Stephen Day, I think they'll be fine.

But you know, go back and look at every team in the playoffs. Whoever's turned the ball over the most, they went home. Okay. That's true. That's all, by the way. Drake May. six times, three lost fumbles, sack five times each game.

Oh, so y'all ain't even protecting them. And by the way, you see how Seattle get to the ball? You see how they're saying? So you can run with the football, and he's shown that he could do that, particularly on first and second down. They use them on first and second down. So I get that part, but I'm like this, that ain't going to work against him.

I can't see that happening. The only way is if Drake all of a sudden, with booty and digs, is flinging that damn football, and all of a sudden we're watching these cats throw the damn football. If I see that, that will change my mind. I can't see it happen. But the secondary for Seattle is so good. Too good.

You got Spoon and Wollin. Exactly. Emanuari, they're really good. Defensive line with D.L.O. and Leonard Williams and those guys, they're really good. Ernest Jones, the 4th. He's been a steal. He's been exceptional.

And then people are pointed to L.A. You scored 38 against them in the regular season in the overtime loss when they lost 38. 37. They gave up 27 to L.A. You know, in a playoffs. And I'm going like this. That was Pooka Nakua out there, pet catching that day of all. And Devante. You ain't got that on New England?

No. I respect the hell out of booty and digs, but you ain't that dude. No. Did I not. You're not that dude. That's where I'm at with him. And I like Drake May, but for me and I don't have a vote, but if I had a vote, I'll vote for Matthew Stafford for MVP.

Easy. The only problem I like, see, here's the problem I have with Shannon Sharp. you know, I'll say, Ocho. This, he had this problem all the damn time. It's okay to say, Stephen, are you right? I agree with you. See, he's trying to say, he, he was listening to me. He was listening to me, say that.

You know what he was listening to me say, and the damn MVP. Yeah, yeah, he is. But he'll say it, he'll just say it without saying. No, but you, but you know, but you know there have been some that said Drake made. Yeah, no, I don't, and listen, the Drake made problem in all seriousness.

Uh-huh. New England had the weakest schedule since 1999. the weakest schedule in the NFL since 1999. That's what the stats show. Then you got the charges. You depleted at your offensive line with two pro bowlers out. It's Slater and all. You go against Houston.

Nico Collins is out. Shultz goes down in the second quarter. You go up against Denver. You got Jared Stidham, a backup quarterback who had it throw. Now he was he a backup quarterback. He ain't thrown past this 2023. Okay. And then on top of it.

It looked like it. That's right. And on top of the door of Blizzard came. Yeah. I mean, come on. You get a lot of. A lot. Yeah.

A lot of luck. You know, but you know, sometimes, Stephen, they have to go your way. That's fair. That's fair. They have to go your way. That's fair.

But usually that's not what goes down in the Super Bowl. No. Usually in the Super Bowl, it's about your skill. Yeah. And your will. In a game like the Super Bowl, the momentum,

you're going to get two momentum swing. Only two. It's going to happen. Whoever gets the momentum first, how much separation can you put between you and the team that doesn't have the momentum? And see, it's interesting. I love that question.

Because I think that if New England, you got to have a 10-point cushion. I don't think that's enough. And I'm saying, and I don't think you're going to get the cushion. That's my point. I don't think you're getting the cushion. Because we've seen Seattle come back from playing the Rams. The Rams had what? 18.

Yeah, but the Rams defense wasn't New England. That's the only thing. New England could get stops. Rams couldn't get no stops. That's the problem. But the question is, See, New England's offense ain't the Rams offense. That's right.

That's what I don't have a win. That's why I don't have them win. That's the problem. If they can run the ball, I like Henderson, I like Stevenson. They can run the football. But, ooh. Everybody said, I picked the score, final score, 31-20. And everybody was looking at me and they said,

well, you bring it up the defense, why you got them scoring 31 points? And I said because I think they're going to get too many bites. at the Apple because New England's offense isn't going to be able to do but so much. So if you have the defense out on the field enough, eventually they're going to get, they're going to wear out.

Don't break. They're going to break. I think it might be a lower score than that. I might go 24 to 16. Think so? I got 31.20. I got 31. 20. I can see 30 points simply because the high volume of scoring that Seattle continues to do, regardless of who they're playing. By the way, did your boy tell me he hooked me up

with his boyfriend's glasses, and I went and got the glasses. I bought a bunch of them. Oh, you got a bunch of them? Oh, you got a man? He got me with the cat. Like, he got me in the cat. I saw him on nightcap. And I was like this, I need a few of those.

I need a few of those. So I went and got it. I won't have it got them. You stand for the, no, you leaving Sunday morning. I'm not even on you. Probably Saturday. You're good. You have a good time?

Man, shoot, thanks to you. That party last night with no joke, my brother. I mean, I mean. When you're open? So when I cut out of my hands, I don't want to hear nothing. I don't want to hear nothing. It ain't going to be no party.

I ain't throwing no party. Oh, that's right. I forgot you down there. Hey, we got to go to dinner. I got it. I'm going to tell you where we go. Okay. That's cool.

We're good. I'll take you up on it then. Okay. I take you up on the end of this. I'm serious. I'm dead serious. I got you. Such a lion.

He's a ass off. I mean, this catman. I mean, Shanna, I can't find Shannon. I have the damn time I'm in Vegas. You good. What you mean? I'm good. I would call you for hours.

Where are you at? You know? I can't catch him. Hey, man, I'll be in the bed, Stevie. I'll be sweet. I ain't mad at you, but I'm telling you this. Listen, I love living in Florida. He does.

It's lovely. You don't smoke cigars, huh? No, not really, but I smoked a few. I mean, I mean, one time, last time it's been years, actually. Last time I smoked a cigar, I was in a cigar ball with Michael Straying. Okay. You know what I'm saying? But, I mean, I smoke the few.

I mean, because it's cool. Yeah. It's cool. Well, I'll come down there. I mean, you was, uh, oh, Joe. We go to get a bite to eat. Go to dinner. I just want to go get a bite to eat.

I just want to go get a bite to eat. That's it. We ain't going to go nowhere else? I want to go get a bite to eat. No, no, no, no. We ain't going to go. Hold on. We ain't going to go nowhere else?

No. You might want to think that. You might want to think that. I mean, there's a couple of spots that I can. I don't want to go. Yeah. I'll tell you what I do. I tell you what I do.

I'll take you to a spot to eat. But. it ain't just about eating it. You know what I'm saying? It's all in one. It's all in one. I'll take you to the spot. Why can I get friends that support me?

Why can I get friends that? We are supporting me. We're looking out for you. I mean, we're looking out for you. We really are. You know what I'm saying? We really are. We got you covered.

Why do I need any other type of friends? It's okay to live. You're not living. You're alive, but you're not living. I can't continue to tell you that. You're going home. You're working and going home. You're working from home half the time.

Yeah, stuff like that. You know, I bet there's days that go by that you don't leave a house. I'm willing to bet that. If I don't go work out, yes. See? Yes. Work out, you mean go work out? You mean you don't have a gym in your house?

I do. I got two gyms in your house. All right there. So why do you got to go to work out? But, you know, I like, I like, if. You like to mingle? No. If I don't leave my house to go work out, I would literally be in my house two, three weeks

that I have had. I can never do. that. Now, I've improved. I can stay in the house for a couple of days, two or three days without moving. Especially the crib, I got now. When COVID happened, I ain't missed with me. I couldn't, you ain't got to go nowhere?

Perfect. Wow. I got to leave the house. I got to go. I got to go out. You got to eat. You got to walk around. You got to feel the fresh air outside. You got to do that. I don't give a damn if it's me getting in my car to drive to the damn store or something, just to get out and feel a bridge. Yeah. Yeah.

your car and drive to the store of Miami. Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's my story. I'm sticking to it. That's my story. I'm sticking to it. I'm telling you that right now.

I mean, that's what it is. That's what it is. It is lovely, man. You know, when we say Miami, let's be very clear. We're not really talking about Miami. We talk about all the surrounding parts. Yes.

Oh, yes. All the stuff around within the 30 to 45 minute radius. All around it. You understand? All around it. Beautiful, Landerdale, the Coral Gables. That's all us. It's just.

Beautiful. It's, it's, it's, it's got to here, man. It's just a, it's just a, it's got to come on down. I'm coming down, man, but I told you what I wanted. And my career, very private. Privile. You ain't got to worry about nothing. You ain't got to worry about being found.

Okay. I'm trying to tell you. I'm trying to tell you. You ain't got to worry about nothing. You go to the noise. It ain't at your doorstep. Ooh. That's the key.

That's the key. Don't go to the, you don't have the noise at your doorstep. Right. Go to it. I like that. That way you can. can stay away from it when it's time. That's what you got to do.

Okay. I'm trying to tell you. Stephen A. Smith, ladies and gentlemen, thank you, man. Congratulations on everything, man. I appreciate you all, man. The serious show, the Stephen A. Smith show, the big deal at ESPN, you got, hey, bro, I appreciate it. Hey, appreciate you. And I want to tell you.

Yes, sir. I appreciate the support. Because when a lot of people ran away, you ran to them. No, hell no. And I appreciate that. And I hope you keep them away. No, they do. And it was no excuse for people to be that way.

I saw you. You know, I saw you, and I talk all the time. You know what I'm saying? I got nothing of love for y'all. Both of y'all. Proud of both of y'all. Keep doing what you think. But all these people, listen, man, when you up here.

They were with you. You know, exactly. And then something happened and what you do. You just sat up there and you forgot that that was supposed to be your boy. They was never your boys. You're right. They were never your boys. Some to kick rocks.

Yep. With no shoe on. Damn right. Appreciate it, bro. How the best. Juvie. Appreciate it. Gautz here. I have a podcast empire that I have brought here to IHeart and I'm also hosting a daily live radio show from 3 to 5 p.m. Eastern called Stugats & Company Live, which is available in podcast, right when the show finishes every single day. You can expect a lot of laughter, great guest, a ton of calls and a lot of fun. Listen to Stugats and Company Live and our original podcast, Stugats and Company and God bless football. And you can check all of those out on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcast.

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