Nightcap - Best NFL Radio Row Interviews Part 2: Denzel Ward, Trey Smith, Tyquan Thornton

Episode Date: February 7, 2026

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson live from San Francisco Radio Row for Super Bowl LX featuring the New England Patriots and the Seattle Seahawks! Unc & Ocho are joined by Denzel Ward, Trey Smith, Tyquan Thornton and much more! Download the PrizePicks app today and use code SHANNON to get $50 in lineups after you play your first $5 lineup! https://prizepicks.onelink.me/LME0/NIGHTCAP (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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All right, joining us now. Back to back. On Nightcap Radio, Roe, another. The best. Okay, joining us not here on Nightcap Radio, Roe. My guy. Heriot. Here is number 21 from the Cleveland Browns, Denzel Ward.

Denzel, how you doing, bro? I'm good, man. Appreciate being here, man. Thanks for having me. Another unbelievable season. But at some point in time, you're going to get tired of having these unbelievable seasons individually and wanting to have an unbelievable season team-wise.

Obviously, new coach coming in. You're probably going to have a new D.C. Oh, don't tell me that. Well, considering that Todd, some of the things that Todd said about, yeah, it ain't looking good. I'm just saying from the outside, it ain't looking good. What do you guys need to do? to make sure, like, Miles is going to win defensive player

of the year unanimously. You are a top, a top two, three corner. So the individual success that you've enjoyed and that Miles have enjoyed, but at some point in time, you play a team sport. This ain't golf, this ain't tennis. And so the individuality is fine and good, and we'll talk about that once come time to Hall of Fame.

But right now, I want to have some team success. I'm tired of getting my eyes beat in, and we lose it. But, man, hell of a game, Denzee, a hell of a game. After the game. Yeah, I think that's the biggest thing. That's probably why the decisions were made, how they were made, with bringing Tom Munkin in, an offensive-minded coach.

And we struggled to be real, we struggled on offense. Correct. We struggled on offense and wasn't able to put points on the board and, you know, wasn't playing that complimentary football. So once we could do that, and hopefully Coach Munk can come in and change the offensive organization around, I think we go do well. We've got to continue to stay up there for the defense

and make plays and be that defensive player the year and top corner in the league, and we're going to make it happen. Listen, defensively, y'all are going to be fine. It doesn't matter. Offensively, we know it needs work. There's some things, there's some pieces that are missing to that puzzle. Obviously, the first thing that needs to be situated, you need to figure out who's going to be quarterback number one,

and then build from there. And they go around that. Brother Fanning. What's Brother Fanning's first name? Harold. Boy, he is the real deal. That's one piece. Now, continue to add pieces to the puzzle.

So, offensively... I need some receivers. I ain't going to hold you. What? They need some receivers. Okay. I'm going to let that go. I'm going to let you have to.

He don't he there every day. Listen, defensively, you can have the goddamn poke coach in the defense. Y'all going to be right. Oprah can come coach the goddamn defense. Y'all going to be okay based on the personnel that you do have. If you put your GM cap on, hypothetically speaking, what changes would you make to Cleveland Brown so you guys could have some success and get over the hump and not only compete in the AFC North in that division,

but in the NFL in general in the whole? I think really everything you just said, like we got to solidify that quarterback position, see who that number one guys go be. I know we're going to have some guys coming back competing. So once we solidify that, but we go need receivers. You know, I'm going heavy off. Yeah, old line receivers. I'm going heavy offense.

Yeah. And bringing guys in to make us better. But speaking of receivers, you know, I'm. Man, this old man, most of the guy. You know. They in the closet. They in the closet. They're in the car.

Oh, they're in the car. Okay. Now, you remember a little Bawa movie like Mike? When he throw the shoes up over the high with the wire. The car line. That was his cleats. To make you can't go back and get him. But like when you're coming into the season, what are you focusing on?

So, you know, obviously, you know, I used to like, okay, number one goal was to stay healthy. Then I was like, okay, if I could get X, Y, and Z, catch his yard, make a pro bowl, be an all pro, team get to the Super Bowl, win the division, things like that. So when Denzel Ward starts putting down his top 10 things that he wants to accomplish in an upcoming season of 2020-2020 season, what's on your board? Yeah, I think like similar you said, like going into the scene like, all right, I'm trying to stay healthy. We're just getting back to the playing fast football, reacting and everything, trying to stay healthy. But then, all right, now I'm trying to make plays.

And, you know, I got to be the best. They expect me to be the number one corner out here. Yes. And lock boys down, like my side of the field down. That's what I got to do. So that's all my goal every game. They'll give us no catches, make plays, and be that guy out there on the field. You like traveling?

I will. I like doing whatever and help the team win. But honestly, I like being on one side, locking that side of the field down. You could double up everything on the other side. And let me do what I do on this side. You like playing on the offensive right side or the offensive left side? Left. Left?

Yeah. That's why I like the line up too. That's what I like. I want to see people like you. Me? Yeah. Now you don't want to see me. I want to see you.

So you like covering the ex-s receiver, the Z. Yeah, it don't matter. It really don't matter. I like that. Because them Z's, now, them Zs, you know, the Zs were tough. I mean, Ocho like being on the ball. Because a lot of guys like being off the ball because that gives me a little bit more separation.

That's real. Because now if you step and I'm off the ball, okay, I'm gone. Yeah. You know, I've talked to multiple receivers. Damn near every NFL receiver in the league. And I always ask them, who gives you the most difficulty? Who gives you one of your best challenge? and the same two names come up.

Denzel Awards and Pat Soutines. From a technical standpoint, I say it all the time on every show, any platform, even when I see you in person. I've never seen anything like that. As smooth, as patient, though, my favorite rep from you. Yes, yes, I'm for the glaze right now. I don't care what you all say.

Is the one against my brother T. Higgins, where you're off a little back, you shadowing, and he gets a step on you, you turn, you relax, you any patient, and you just play the hands, he ended up picking the ball. Yeah. I mean, what? Man, listen, man.

Sometimes you have to play through the receiver. Oh, yeah. Exactly. Oh, yeah. But I think that's the biggest thing. So because a lot of times, small corners are great with small receivers, shifty guys, and then they struggle with big guys. Do you find yourself struggling?

So what do you like? Because big guys normally have a problem like Revis. A guy like Revis, a big receiver, he was going to eat them up. Right. Because he's so patient. And he's stronger than he's stronger than you're thinking like, man, I'm going to run through him. And next day you're like, God, think of him. Let me go.

Yeah, back, back. I don't really feel I'm a small corner, though. You know, I've got a little good size to me. But for me, I think it just depend on the personnel, like, who the player is. It's not like I don't like going against big receivers or little receivers, but who that guy, are they able to use their body type? Like, so, like, a George picking, like, he has a taller receiver. Like, he's good at, okay. He's going to play through contact.

Yeah, he's going to play through contact. So that might be a little tougher matchup. but fast guys, Tyreek Hill or something like that. I like going against guys like that too, but it's really just whatever they're good at, are they able to do that well, better than what I can do. This is a funny thing I like about them too. And I've been studying a game for a long time

because you know how I love and feel about DB play. I've seen you change your game plan. I've seen you change your style of play based on the receiver that's in front of you. Yeah, definitely. I've seen it. So I understand what you're going through and what you're thinking because it's all the chess match

at that point, based on the skill set that's in front of you. Exactly. Yeah, that's how I feel like if you just stand near and if you know I'm doing the same thing every single time, okay, now you're making a plan. Okay, I know he's about a line up and do this. So I'm a boom, I'm going to give him this release and I know he'll go here. So that's why I like to kind of play the game.

I'm like, okay, I'm going to switch it up a little bit. That's how, it seems like we play Pittsburgh. Like they challenged me like the last three plays of the game or whatever. So I like changed up. I ain't played the same technique on all the plays. I changed it up. I might jump jam them or I might get off in. So just switching it up and just playing a chess game.

I'm just trying to figure that out. They're going to take the third best receiver and try you on fourth and go. Did that make any sense to you? I didn't understand it because, I mean, they didn't try me all a game. But I know, like, at some point in the game, you got to come to me. You got to come and just see what you got. But, yeah, I didn't understand three plays in the row why they did. JSCN.

You watched JSA. I don't know if you had to have the opportunity. to cover JSCN. But when you watch him on film and you watch what he does and how he's just, he's just like, ain't no wasted motion.

There's no chop to his game. The out looks like the end. The end looks like the goal. The goal looks like the seven. I mean, everything is like he's falling off the table. And nothing, nothing is wasted. When you watch him, is that what makes him so special?

What makes him so unique? Yeah, just like that. I agree with that. Like that makes it tough when he's making his routes look the same every single time. And he's running straight and oh, he could break it in or running straight. He can break it out. So it's like, okay, you know, you got to stay true, play a true. But he is smooth route runner, great hands, great routes,

and he's making everything look the same. Yeah. Who you? I'm asking you to put some money that means something to you. Who you got, the Patriots or the Seahawks? Yeah, I got a lot of respect Coach Brable and what he is able to do for the Patriots in one year. But I got Seattle. Seattle. Because of the

defense, huh? You give me his? Because of the defense? I got it because of Jackson Smith. I got it because of both. They both been doing well. I got it for both. Okay. Because they can run the football with K-9. Sam Donald has been playing

unbelievable. He just has to one more game. He's done great in the postseason. He hasn't turned the ball over. You know you turn the ball over and come postseason. You're going home. You look at the team that turned the ball over in the postseason. All of them going home. Everybody went home.

You look at the Texans, you look at the Broncos, you look at the, if you turn the football over, you are going home. That's what we look at every year. What's the turnover margin? If you turn the ball over, intercept the ball, okay, that team more likely to win. You know, you take care of the ball. You're more likely to win. Yeah. Oh, matter of fact, man, you seen Miles Garrett?

Yeah. Where are you at? I don't know. He promised me that sack jersey, that 23, soon as he got that sack, and he told him he was going to give me that jersey. He's sending to the Hall of Fame, so you know what they got to do to him. You can go just take it out the little case. Go to the Hall of Fame. No, no, no, no, no, no.

He got to see me. Oh, you, okay. I don't know how that's good. That's going to go. You want me tell you how he's going to go? Let me hear. I'm from the whoop people. What kind of, what do you say?

Like, Madden? No, I talked about with D's. I don't know, man. He promised me the Jersey, D. Y'all are different weight classes. No, weight classes don't matter with me. It's all about skill. Oh, okay.

Damn. But here's the thing. You want some one-on-one? You want some one-on-one? What who? Look, he had like he didn't hear it though. Wait, I ain't. One-on-one what?

You're on the field? Yeah, like he didn't hear it. Oh, you don't want no this. Hey, um, you know, let me tell you something. I don't study them too much. Yeah, so you know it. I know every move. He play head up, he play outside.

It don't matter what he do. I got something for him. You ain't going to quick jam you? Quick jam who? He's going to post or what? He's going to post or what? He's stabbed. He stabbed.

See, look, I've seen you had the thing where brought all the receivers out. Oh, yeah. I'm trying to show up and give boys some one-on-ones. Like, I'm trying to come. We're doing it this year? Yeah. You come out and give us a look? I'll give y'all a look.

Okay. You're nervous? I'm good. I just want to give a look. Okay. All right. I like that. You know, I wear my cleats with I'm out there, too.

That's cool. I won't expect nothing less. All right. Man, but you don't get no credit for beating no old man. Who old? You don't get up for old man. That's what you're going to get no credit for that deal? He didn't up everybody in the league now, so I mean.

Well, he definitely, well, you keep doing that. Just keep doing that, man. Did Zell, man. Congratulations on the great season. Continue to success. Stay healthy. And, man, hopefully, man, we see you guys in the playoffs real soon, man. I hope so.

Because all that, it's, look, I know the money good. I know the Agilation being an all pro and a pro bowl player, but you want some team success. That's what you play for. Absolutely. You play for. Well, congratulations, man. Stay healthy. And we'll see you down the road.

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Good job. Appreciate it. This is two-time Super Bowl champ, two-time Pro Bowl of 24-25, February of 25. He signed a four-year contract for $94 million, making up the highest-paid guard in NFL history. Trey, you look, this was a down year for y'all. A lot of injuries.

You got hurt. Pat got hurt. You started the season without Rashid, and guys were in and out of the lineup. But you know the expectations. When you've had the level of success that you've enjoyed over the last seven years, this was an unacceptable season. What do you guys need to do to say, you know what?

The Chiefs are back. We really never left the win anywhere, but we're definitely back. Yeah, man, I mean, since I was a rookie, the day I walked in, man, we had a standard. You know what I mean? And obviously we felt well short of the standard this year. And I can speak for myself in terms of accountability, man, just being more detailed-oriented, being very consistent. You know what I mean? Approaching the game better, you know.

As players, we got to make where our coach is called go, regardless of the situation, regardless of circumstance. And for us, I think it really comes with accountability and being detailed-oriented. When you look at a situation, because sometimes when you have such a situation, you have a guy like Patrick Mahome, you feel that he can cover up for a lot of mistakes no matter where. Offensive guard with, ah, Pat got that. A guy runs the wrong route or have an M.A. Pack and have a bad call. Pack and overcome that.

But at some point in time, those mistakes when compounded because you got a guy that will, you get a guy that makes another mistake, compounded with a bad call, that's even so too much for Patrick Mahomes to overcome. So how do you make sure you get back? Because he's coming off a very serious interview. You lost, miss time the entire. about like seven, eight games. So how do you make sure the Kansas City Chiefs that when we're in the situation

next year when we're in L.A. There's a great chance we see the season. It just starts in the off season, man. As early as OTAs, you build that team chemistry early. You know, we bring in new guys, we drive, free agents, whatever you have it. And just making sure we're all on the same page as a team. You got a guy like Airy B enemy coming in. Obviously, Coach, Green, man.

He lets us be men out there, right? Right. But at the same breath, man, we have to be more accountable for ourselves. With that freedom, with that respect that he's giving us. For us, man, it's a standard. You know, getting back to that standard. Being right, man, like you said, Pat's coming off an injury. I know he's going to attack what everything he has.

And that's who he is, it's competitive, man. So just being the best version of ourselves that we can be because we have to uphold that standard and we keep talking about. We have to finish better. We have to be a better team. We have to get back to the winning ways. Matter of fact, if you're a GM, take your football head off right now.

You're not the player. You're not the guard. You're not the one that makes 94 million. Yeah, but you're rich, boy. But you put your GM head on. Yeah. And you coming into this season, knowing Pat is coming off an injury, what would you do offensively to make sure that Pat doesn't have to burden the load of the success

when there are weaknesses in that offense? What would you do? Yeah, man, I mean, man, it's hard also. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm not a GM, man. I don't like speaking on it. But for me, man, I think, you know, a front-out officer's lineman. We have to do a better job, you know, keeping them protected.

Like you said, it's coming off injury once again, making sure he feels calm, He can operate and be who he is, Patrick Mahomes. And, you know, at the end of the day, man, I really think identifying as players, once again, I go and speak to myself, just being more detail, accountability, just being really in tune of what we're doing every single time we go out there so we don't stall. We don't have these awkward moments where someone's running the wrong way, like you said, like, you know, someone's whipping on a play. Like, how can we be better to set him up?

We have one of the best to ever do it. Because you have times. You guys go up and down the field. And it's like, this is the Kansas City. and then you'll go two, three quarters. You're like, who the hell is this team? How is that arguably one of the, that's the greatest quarterback currently playing.

You can make a case he's a top five quarterback and he's only seven, eight years into his career. What happened to this office? Who are they? And I know you feel that way because you've seen it at its highest. Yeah. When you guys can do no wrong. Yeah, man.

I mean, that's just the ebbs and flows with the game, though. You know, at the end of the day, man, you're not going to be that dominant consistent factor every single year. You might have a down, you might have a down tumultuous time. But, you know, it's just about getting back to the winning ways. Like I said, getting back to the standard is a secret to the sauce, right? What is the standard? Being consistent, being accurate, being detailed-oriented.

Once we get back to those ways, man, and how do you do that? You go to work every single day and you fix something one single time, one rep at a time. You just continually get better. And that's all you can do as a player, man. Is that where EB comes in? Because EB was the accountability offer. I know EB. EB was the accountability offer.

He don't care who you are. He don't care what your title is, how many pro bono, all pro. If you effed up, did you eff up? Did you eff up? Tell me what you did. And the funny thing about it,

you know why everybody's always up in arms? Because the Chiefs have sustained consistent success for so long. And you make it look so goddamn need from the outside looking in. Those that play the game, we understand how difficult it is. We understand how special Andy Reid in that situation he has what Patrick Mahomes is. And the fact that when you guys have a down season,

they're like, oh, my goodness, what happened? And all it is is going back to the bases, going back to the drone board. As you said, it's off the line having accountability, trying to minimize the mistakes you make so Pat Mahom can function the way he does as one of the better quarterbacks in the history of the NFL, not just now.

Yeah, man. Y'all going to be all right, though. Y'all going to be all right. No, man. Just take it one time at a time, man. Trey, heal up. Yes, sir. You know what the expectations are.

I already know. You know, A, I. I already hear you be streaming finish right now. Hey, also, let Eric Beanie me know. If y'all need an offensive coordinator assistant or wide receiver coach assistant, I'm here. I already got on red. Yeah, let me know. Hey, I appreciate you back.

That's good. Congratulations for getting healthy, bro. Yes, sir. Much of you all. I was back out there. Last year, it was the Kansas City Chief, one of the fastest players in the NFL. Here you is, ladies gentlemen. Tyquine Thornton.

Ty, how you doing, bro? Doing good, man. How you doing? I'm doing good, man. Man, you got off still such a great start. Superior. And it seemed like once Rashid came back or Hollywood came back, your numbers all of a sudden took a deal.

What transpired that you were playing so well you could easily be thought of as the best receiver? Yeah. Especially for the first four or five games. What transpired to cause your production to kind of taper off? Like you said, man, you know, a couple of guys came back and, you know, those guys that they were, I would say, probably more familiar with or had.

plans for and something like that. So, you know, I don't really know what really went on behind them closed doors and everything, but, like, you know, nothing changed for me at all. You know what I'm saying? I'm saying? I'm saying. I'm saying. Coming out there doing what I do, going out there, making plays and with the opportunities

that I got, but, you know. Yeah. See, the good thing about it is that's the game that they do play. When people go down and you get your opportunity, you made the most of said opportunities once you got in there and looked like the best receiver on that team. So if you're not going back to the game. Canada City, would you've already set yourself up for 31 other teams? Yeah, for sure.

Understanding that, okay, if we had this young fella, based on what he did when everybody else went down with the Chiefs, this is what he can do. This is the value that he adds to our team. So for you, that's part of the game. For sure. That's part of the business. You know, I understand that. You should understand it at this point as well, but you've already set yourself up for

the future regardless. Yeah. This is a situation because you did run 427 coming out of college, and it seems like everybody just wants to let you run deep. but I can run other things. I can run it out. I can run a dig. I can run it over.

I can run a space. I mean, let me do something other than go deep. Yes, I can get deep. I can run a post. I can run a nine route. But I can also run a speed out. I can also run an end cut. I can also run it over.

Does it get frustrating? Because it seems to me looking from the outside and I don't know what they call, but it seems to me that every time I see you in there, you just going deep. Yeah, exactly. I mean, it definitely get frustrating, you know, because, I mean, everybody know,

once he gets on the field, he's going. Yeah, he's going vertical. Every time he's turning the clip, he's going vertical, you know. And that's why, like, you know, when we're going in training camp and stuff like that, and when we're doing one-on-ones, you see me out there. I'm never going deep. Right. Never in one-on-ones going deep.

It's always like I'm trying to work different routes to show you that I can get open and create separation. So, I mean, that's something that I still want to show, go out there and show that I can run a deep over or deep out, you know what I'm saying, a dagger, you know what I'm saying? You know what I'm going to set yourself up, right? You're going to set yourself up, right? You're going to set yourself up. Do you want to go back to the Chiefs? Be careful.

I mean, you could be PC, but would you like to go back? I want an opportunity to play. Yeah, so if I go back to the Chiefs and play with Pat and get my fair share target, I would love to do that. There we go. I would love to do that. There we go. You heard that, Mr. Reed, Mr. Beane to me.

Come on now. Brent Beach. Ty, appreciate you, man. Thank you all, man. I'm getting healthy. Stay healthy. Best of luck in the future, man. Thank you.

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But guess what? It ain't the end of your season. You can always tune in with Broken Play Podcasts with Nav Green on the Black Effect Podcast Network. Another team who ain't going to the playoffs. They're cheese. What's a rap? It's time to rebuild. Who's your MVP right now then?

Drake May up there, Josh Allen up there still. Oh, my boy, Matthew Stafford. Where did his phone Nick's at? He ain't too far behind. He did all this talk. What Matthew Stafford is doing statistically, bro, it's crazy. Bro, you know I ain't no Josh Allen fan, but Matthew Stafford got better weapon.

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Here you are. My dog. Jay Glazy. Jake, how you doing, bro? You're doing great, man. Glad to be gone. Man, you guys got to have me on more. You want to come on?

Fuck, yeah, I want to come on. I like it. I like it. I do it all the time. Okay, good, good, good. Yeah, you guys know me. The only time I don't is, you know, when, like, the red light comes on the Fox. Well, how are we long, you see.

to have a fuck counter in the uh in our meetings yeah and like i didn't know what's going on and i would say you know i'm from jerseys that's how i talk so i'd say oh my fuck this and then and also boom boom boom and one day in um you know in our production meetings all of a sudden how he's like 72 i'm like what is he talking about and i said fuck's he talking about 73 and it went and he had a fuck counter and how many times i say fuck and going in the meaning, but red light comes on, I don't say shit. I'm good. Right. Okay, okay. I'm a professional. Help me understand this.

There's been a lot of talk over the last week. We found out last week that Coach Belichick didn't get in on the first ballot. A stupid shit of all time. And we also just found out in the last couple of days, Mr. Kraft also didn't get in on the second ballot. That's them to. Jay, what's going, what have you heard? Because I know you've heard from some of the voters. What's going on? No, no. I don't. But you guys know me. Yeah. I'm not part of that crew.

Right. I've never been allowed to play with the children there. Like, I always did it differently. You guys remember, 93 I came in. Yeah. And I was like, man, I don't have, I started covering the Johns. And I was like, I don't have the same education. I got kicked out of my first college.

Yes. I went down a box to Westchester University, Pennsylvania. They kicked me out. The day boxing season ended. And so it's like, they're using me for that. and went back home, started doing Jersey shit, and then moved to New York to go to Pace College, downtown Manhattan, because it was the cheapest place to live.

And I eventually, like, I was like boxing, bouncing, bartending, doing, I was being a bouncer for a crime family at what used to be Studio 54. And then I think it became it after that, but it was like, It wasn't the greatest career, George, for me. And I actually signed to Box for the Genoese crime family. That was giving me my job. But eventually, thank God, I never showed up to that. It was like, God, like, hit me the lightning bolt,

like the day before I was going to my first practice, the Bofonos gym in Jersey, since you're like, God, like, hit me with a lightning boat. Like, what are you doing? You're not even telling you're Jewish. Like, what are you doing? Thank God I never showed up. And they all got rounded up in international drug ring like six months later, right?

Thank you, my best friend, God, Almighty. So I get in there, I cover the Giants. I'm like, man, how could I be different? And I was going to start relationships. And all those old school writers back in the day was, and I don't know, like, when did you start? 90. 90, right? Remember how it was back then?

They used to use the pen as a weapon. I'm going to start relationships. I had more in common with you guys than that. Right. And I got destroyed for it. So for 11 years, I could not get a full-time job because every time an editor or a producer or whatever would ask about me, they said, no, no, he's not an objective.

He's friends with the players. Right. And I just thought, like, dude, I'm not covering the fucking Middle East. For sports, right? But I got destroyed. But as a result, because I did it my way, I never got included into the group. of, you know, Hall of Fame or AP or nothing.

I've never been part of it. And I don't really give a fuck. But you did. You broke the story about SpyGate. How much? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Now, now, now, now, you know. Thank you, my best friend God, Almighty and Heaven.

But there's a situation where people, many believe that SpyGate was worse than than was let on. How much does SpyGate play in a role that Coach Belichick not getting in and Mr. Kraft not getting into the ballot? I think, like, people want to use. Again, I can't talk for a same because I don't talk to those cats. Right. You're not in the room when they were.

Yeah, so, like, if they want to hold on to that, they can hold. But that's like saying, okay, we're going to keep Lawrence Deller out because he did blow. Yeah. Stupidest shit of all time. If you're the greatest, you're the greatest. You know what I mean? That's it. Yeah.

Okay? And he won plenty of games without it. So, I don't know. I think also, like, because he wasn't great with the media. It was their vendetta, and this is not me knowing a personal, just from the outside in. How do you not put him first? Right. Like, that means no coach should ever be a first ballot in the history of life.

Right. I mean? But you know where I get pushed back, where I push back on everybody because they say he was average without Coach Belichick was average without Tom Brady. Ask me, what was Chuck Noel? The best of the Brady. What was Chuck Noel without Terry Brash? show. Yeah.

What was Coach Lombardi without Bart Starr? See, they never used that argument because Bart Star, I mean, Coach Lombardi was a first ballot hall of favor. Shannahan without Elway. Chuck Null was a first ballot hall of favor. So, I mean, and Don Schuiler was a first ballot hall of favor. But look at his quarterbacks.

He had Johnny United's, Bob Greas, and Dan Marino. I mean, what, damn, you got the top 100 players of all times. I always say, when you have a quarterback all of a sudden, you know how to pick players, your coaches can coach, you look like you're fantastic. When you don't have a quarterback, everyone's a dumb shit.

You can't pick players. No one knows how to coach. Like, you know what I mean? It really is that much. You also said that Mike Tomlin was done coaching. Do you believe Mike Tomlin is done coaching in the NFL or does he take a year off, get a TV gig, and come back?

Because all the other coaches that's ever coached in Pittsburgh, Chokinall, never coached again. Coach Cowan. Although many believed in, he may be teased it, he never coached again. If this is a similar situation. I think he's done. Look, he told me in Ronde Barber two years ago.

Yeah, that was. But also it's like, he's like, hey, this is my plan. You can't say this. Don't show my head. I'm telling you, you're my guy. That's it. And that's why I am where I am in life. I've never burned anybody.

Right. I don't go for the scoop. I go for the relationship. Right. and our relationship is deep. Like, I coach his son in life now. Right? He's 22, and it's kind of fine his way. But my son, Sammy, who's been lost a lot.

My tea was there for him. Yes. So this is like beyond all this stuff. So it's also great. Like, I'm known as the gatekeeper of MIT. It's pretty good. I'm the only one to talk to you. Right?

But that's like, yeah, you know, last year I thought he was going to hang it up. He decided one more. I thought he was going to be done. So until it happens, it happens. But this year, kind of week, eight, I'm like, man, anyway, this is going to change your mind? Nope. Yeah. Okay.

I said, can I report it the last week? Nope. He said, but in fairness, I'm saying, I don't think it's fair if my players find out from you. Yeah. I think they need to find out from me. Right. Okay. I don't have to have your scoop.

I'm good. Yeah. I've done pretty well, right? Yeah. Yeah. By the way, Spike A you were talking about? Yeah. So, man, that was my second week in studio.

Right. Fox, right? And the last thing, Howie and Terry and Jimmy wanted to, with some new guy taking up airtime, right? Yeah. So, there's my second week inside. I used to do games. Remember I would do, right?

I would do sidelines? Yeah. Right? And then I do my scoopets from there, right? And they're like, all right, listen, guys, Jay is second week. Jay's now going to have, normally it's going to be three segments. We're going to still the same amount of time, but we're going to spread them out. But today we're going to have four.

And Howie Long gets up. And you guys know Howie's a bad motherfucker. I know Howie's a sick. I play with Howard. Yeah, and he's, you have to keep the beast in the box. and like how we ended one of his teammates' careers

one time and the guy tucked him in his jersey it was their center and I think he broke like his collarbone his eye sock he fucked him up

so we were asking him we're like hey dude like what this guy do he's like he tugged him in Jersey and we're like what else he do

what he has an understanding he tucked him on my jersey and we're going so you broke his eye sock in the pocket and he's like, did you guys not understand what I'm saying? He talked to my jersey. So Terry goes, well, don't you think

the crime maybe didn't fit the punishment? Right. And he literally goes, are you guys don't understand what I'm saying? He talked to my jersey. Right. Bother me. Okay, let's move on.

Let's move on. He's a sick bastard, right? So he gets up and he goes, wait a minute, you're telling me this kid, and he points at me, and he points at me. And he goes, this kid has the SpyGate video. And you're giving him extra time.

And they go, yes, Scott Ackerson. He has the video. He has the actual video. Yes, this kid has the video. And I'm like, oh, my God, this is terrible. This is horrible. And then Jimmy looks at me, and he goes, you really got the video? I said, yeah.

And Bradshaw looks over and he goes, have the actual video? I said, yeah. And he goes, he's okay with me. So thank you, my best friend, God Almighty in heaven. And everything changed that day for me. You've been a huge advocate, very outspoken when it comes to mental health. How does it make you feel to see more players be upfront, more boisterous about their mental health issues, as opposed to before when everybody was suppressed it and not let it be known because it was frowned upon?

Yeah, you know what's so funny, man. Because I have, you've got to ask yourself, man, how many drugs do when they can see me. But I have clinical depression, anxiety, ADHD, bipolar, OCD anxiety, insomnia. Other than that, I'm a model of stability. Right. But for years, I thought I was cursed. And you just hid. And honestly, dude, I would go out when I would have, I would say the beast got out of the box.

Right. I would take a bunch of vicarant, a bunch of adderol. I go fucking hogwild, I start fights, and I would rather do that and get canceled than anyone know I have depression or anxiety. How backwards is that? So I used to think I was cursed. Now I think God blessed me with all these

so I could free us all, liberate us. Like, no one's question, listen, you're fucking crazy? You're fucking crazy? you can't be great and not be crazy. Yes. Right. And as men were told, you don't say this shit. And look, for me, training all these players in MMA, my whole thing is like,

if you were hurting tired, you will never, ever, ever, ever know. We don't show that shit, right? And then I realized, man, I'm the problem. Right? I'm permeate what her dad's taught us. Our uncle's taught us. So I'm like, you need that in football and fight him. Okay, you'll never know.

We'll be relentless. And as you think we're getting tired, fuck, I am not. You'll never know. But now, guys, off that field, outside of that cage. Yes. Now I want a new one breaking one where we open up. And my relationships have never been better. Like they've turned this right here, this bracelet right here.

Yeah. My most prized possession. Michael Phelps gave it to me. Mm-hmm. Where, with the promise, basically he wouldn't kill him just. Mm-hmm. Right? that's a fucking brotherhood.

Right. Right? Like, this is the baddest of the bad. Right? And that's, it's turned friendships in the brotherhoods. And it's really, I feel like my life's beginning. I don't have to be the glazed. Right.

That character that I create. Right. You know what I mean? And now I get to be real and help people and build people up and learn from them. And that, yeah, and it got me with my beautiful wife over there. I was able to do, like, get the help I needed and work on things. And we were together for a little bit. And I was up to my old tricks, and I sabotaged shit

because I didn't feel I was worthy of being loved. So I fucked it all up. She split up with me. I flew back to Arizona. You'll see a guy here today named Mark Kerr, who's the smashing machine. Yeah. I moved back to Arizona to fight with him, and Ryan Bader and all my old fight team, Aaron Simpson.

Because for me, love was getting punched through the face. And getting abused. Right. And now, like, I went and did all this work, and now we got back together. And I never knew I was able to... Love and receive love. Yeah, I never felt worthy of it. Yeah.

So it motivated me to do all these great things in the outside because I couldn't feel love for me. the inside because I wasn't fucking worthy of. Yeah, yeah. I was a piece of shit. Yeah. Appreciate it. Jake Laser.

Yay. NFL insider for Fox. Well, real quick, real quick. I'm here for Kelbury. Okay. Kelbury. So it's an ADHD drug dentette. Yeah.

It's a non-stimulant. So I got diagnosed with ADHD when I was in 1989. They put me on stimulants. When you have depression, yeah. The stimulants are bad, right? And this is my journey. But, you know, you get those peaks in those valleys.

Yeah. Valleys are bad. So I found something called Calgary, which is a non-stimulate. I take it at night. And when I got 19 roommates in my head talking all once, now I have two. Yeah. It's really helped me out. Right.

So it's called Calgary. So I just want people to know that. It's really helped me out a lot. Calgary. All right. Appreciate you, bro. Love you guys. Thank you.

Have me on more, man. I'm ready. I'm ready. No, you got to train me. Don't forget. Okay. Okay. You really want to fight James Harrison?

I mean, I'm going to beat his ass. What do you talk about really want to? We're good. Jake. We're talking about it. We have a little. We're good. We're good.

Jake lazy. Come on. Come on. Come on. A former light heavyweight. You better not mess with tomorrow, man. D.C., I've been trying to tell him. I've been trying to.

He won't fight everybody. He does. He does. He's just saying that. Daniel Quarrier. You better stay away from tomorrow, man. No, we're going to go on the White House card. Me and him.

Oh. D.C. Yeah. Talk to, hey, we had Dana on, and Dana's like, I don't know. You know, it might be a possibility that JJ make that White House card. He and Pieta. If he, listen, I think if he, if Jones decides to go to 205 in fight Pereira, that's the fight.

That's the fight. You don't think Pierre can go up? At heavyweight? Yeah. Yeah. No, you're too small. I think, I got to be honest with y'all. I think John Jones is better at 205.

Right. What? I think he better at 205. Let me tell you why. it takes discipline to get back down to the weight. So he'd have to be so disciplined in his preparation. That's why he was so good at 205, because he was having to live so clean

to make sure he can get down to the weight and do everything the right way. So, yeah, I think him and Pereira at 205 is the fight. You think he can get back down there after being down, after being in heavy for like four or five years? And me and John Jones did a reality show together. Yeah. Just recently.

Uh-huh. And he's a big boy. Yeah. But he's not, he kind of like, you know when like a tall, skinny dude get a little fat? Yeah. That's how he looked right now. But would that take away from his skill set? No.

If you're able to get down after being so big, not so big, but being bigger for so long, that the takeaway or deteriorate your skill set, if you try to fight yourself down to a certain weight class just to fight? Chad, I think this dude is such a good fighter. Yes. That if he can get down to that weight, he's going to be better. Because he's going to be faster. Yes. He's going to be in better shape, cardio-wise.

The way he looked against Steve Amy Otrus was crazy. He beat him so bad, dog. And Quigg, too. I mean, I felt bad. You know why? Stepe took all, like, he waited so long to fight him. How are you going to not fight for two years and come back to be 41 years old? You can't fight him your first.

Not after two years old. You've been a fireman for two years. John beat him bad, man. Yeah. John beat him bad. And then John, you know what's Matt. You know what's messed up about John Jones, man? It's crazy, man.

You know what this brother did? What? Stepe Miotich is a nice guy. He is. Right? But John, him and I have like such a bad history. So he don't have to like search for stuff to make himself mad at me because I'm constantly on his head.

Right. Stepe Miotr's in him, they had a press conference. John Jones all of a sudden talk about it. And then Stipe said, I'm a bad dad. Stepe looking at him like, I never said that. Steve ain't looking so surprised. Like, I never even said that. But John and his life.

He's mine trying to make himself mad at Steepet. Right, okay. He wanted to kick his ass. And so he did. He's Stepe looking around like, man, I never said. Nothing about this man, children. What about this new partnership? UFC and Paramount, now if you have the app, you can watch, I mean, the streaming service, you

can watch it. So now you're going to be in millions of millions of homes. You don't have the pay-per-view fight. And I think that's a great thing. I think you're going to be able to reach a larger audience because it's free. Hey, listen, the other day, we had to be able to reach a larger audience because it's free. Hey, listen. The other day, we had the first fight.

It's called the numbered event now. They're not pay-per-views. Right. And it was two weeks ago, we had Justin Gagey versus Patty Pimbley. Yes. It was one of the most watch fights in UFC history. Wow. Because it was in so many holes.

Yes. We just download the app. I think it's a big win for the USC, and I think it puts us in line with so many of the other sports out there in the world. You don't pay to watch NFL games. Nope. You don't pay to watch basketball. No.

Now you don't have to pay that extra money to watch the UFC. Are you surprised how Gachie, how good Gachie looked against Patty? I was not surprised. I was surprised that Patty didn't try to wrestle him more. Right. Patty seemed very, very open to standing. Yeah. With Justin Trudence and that wasn't the way he was going to beat Justin Gage.

Also, you're not beating Max Holloway. Who? You, you're not beating Max Holloway. You're not lasting three minutes with Max Holloway. I'm sorry. What about what about, what about, what about, Max too small. Max too small.

You told him right to him. You told him right. You were like, hey, man, listen, man, you ain't fighting this dude. You're not going to train me? I could train you all I want. Against Camaro Oussman, man. I'm going to be, man. I want to stand, hey, I want to stand right there.

He's going to start wrestling with you. No, I don't want to wrestle. He will. But guess what? He said he wants Francis, too. Francis. You don't want Francis, man. I don't want Francis, man.

No, that was more Francis, man. Why he can't get no fights? Now that I think about it, right? With your extensive knowledge of UFC and where's going, where's evolving to, is there a fight that you haven't seen that you would love to see now? That I have to see?

That you have to see. There's a couple, right? There's a couple of fights that I want to see bad. Honestly, I do want to see Pereira at heavyweight. I would like to see Tom Aspinall fight John Jones. I think after the last time when Tom Aspinall got poked. He didn't look good, though. And John's like, y'all want me to fight that?

You know how John heals, man. That's what he's thinking. No, no, he said it. Because the reality is Tom had this aura of invincibility about him. And then when he was fighting against Cyril Ghan, Cyril was fighting much better than people thought. So John, like, yo, man, this dude can't fight me. But I think that's a good fight.

I think Iliot-Tepore and Islam Akhtjev would be the fight. That Iliot-Corpos was something else, man. He put on them hand. But you know, the Russians, they just try to take you down. They're going to get you down now. They're going to make you tired. He put it on Jack Delam Adelaina, didn't he? Yeah.

I couldn't believe how easy he handled him. Yeah. He handled him real good. But Ilya to pour you in Islam. Because that Iliad is a fight, man. That's the fight. That's the fight. Because Ilya said, Patty, you missed up the biggest pay of your life losing to a 38-year-old.

I'll be knocking dudes out, too. Yeah. I'll be knocking him out, man. But do you think that would be a better fight? because Ilya's not looking to take it to the mat, and Patty definitely was not looking to take it to the mat, so everybody's just looking to throw Holloway. Is it going to be a situation

where they come to the scenery like Gatian Holloway and just throw leather? Let's go. Justin Gatje is my friend. I'm going to tell him don't do that with Iliad to pour you, man. You can't do that with him. Yeah. He hit so hard. When him and Charles Olivera were fighting,

by the time Charles O'Leverer hit the ground, he was already sleeping, man. The Elliott hit him two to three times on the way down. So, like, before he even hit the ground, Ilya hit him with the right hand. By the time Charles is, like, knocked out and falling backwards, Ilya didn't hit him with an uppercut. He hit him with another right hand.

And then some guys, some guys, actually, you fall down, they do like that. The referee, like, hey, man, it's over. I'll jump on you. He hit you with a couple. And he don't care. Let me tell you something, man. When I hit Stepe and he went down,

I couldn't hit him again fast enough. I don't know how these dudes got the, the discipline to not hit him. Because in your mind, you're crazy. You don't want to make sure he don't get back up. Shannon, when that man, when you fight another

man and he fall, all you want to do is jump on him. Right, right, right. I jump on him and hit him. You hit him? I hit him three times. By the time the referee got him out of the matter. When the ref was that? His head done. When his head hit the met,

I say, oh, he's done. at his absolute best, at his absolute best, is that anybody in UFC history was a better fighter than John Jones? No, no. Not St. Pierre. No. Not Anderson. The truth.

Not Demetris. Hey, let me tell you something. People like to say you'd be hating on John Jones, man. You can beat you. I said, listen, man, and I told you this whenever I did your podcast. You did. You did. I was so good when he beat me that second time.

that if he beat me that time, I don't think nobody could beat him. He was so, plus he tall, he got long arms. 84-inched reach. He got good knees. Elbow. We did, him and I did that thing together, and we were talking about boxing. And he was like, if we boxed, it would be much harder fight. Right.

He goes, because I kick Daniel a lot, and I need Daniel a lot. And I think that is why, or a thing that people underestimate about him. I don't think in terms of skills, maybe Kabeeb, maybe Khabi was as good, but Connor McGregor was real good whenever he was like on his game, not messing up. Will he have a fight again, you think? Connor? Yeah.

You know, that's what you told me on the thing. When somebody made $200,300 million? He made all that money. It's hard to get up. It's hard to get up. Yeah? You remember what Marvin Haggler saying way back in the day? Right.

He said, man, you're sleeping on silk sheets. You got to get up and run six, seven miles every morning. Here's the thing about Connor, though. I always want to ask somebody, like, from not within the UFC, like, do y'all think y'all going to watch him? Because you have seen athletes so many. Now, obviously, Connor has started to live the gimmick a little bit. Right. Right.

He lives, like Rick Flair said he was living the gimmick. Yes. Conner's living the gimmick a little bit. Do y'all think Connor go fight again? Do you think he can pull himself away from all that lifestyle? No. The yachts, the party and all that stuff and get in camp. D.C., he's still a draw.

He's a draw. He's still a draw. He's a massive draw. He can't. can fill out any arena wherever he goes. But he hasn't looked good in a bank. When the last time he looked good, although, no, Cobbosarone.

When he showed him. Hold on. D.C., even though he hasn't looked good, he's still a draw. People are still going to tune in the watch. When he wins and loses. Let me ask you this, though. He's selling so many pay. He said the other day, he goes, my business is pay-per-view.

Because when Khabi sold $3.5 million pay-per-view. Right. Do you, listen. John, I was on a pay-per-view, me and Brock Lesdon, we sold $1.2 million by. Yeah. I know what that check looks like. Him and Khabib did three times that in terms of just pay-per-view.

Right. What's the number that you can get Conne McGregor in the cage? Right. What you got to pay him now that he cannot sell pay-per-view to get him to fight? Because he's already got $300, $400, $400 million in the bank account. He sold that liquor. Yeah. But do you think he can get in the camp?

Because you're right. He is a draw. I just told y'all at the start of this. Right. We had one of the biggest fights that we ever had in UFC history. Yes. Kana fights is going to double that. Yeah.

No. I don't think you can get it back in the... You don't think he back? Nope. Why? Because he got that much money in the train like you'd have to train to be able to do it.

But they got certain fights that you would give him. Didn't Tyson Fury say I'm retiring? Tyson Fury retired three times. Three times. What made me come out of retirement, D.C.? I don't know why Tyson Fury keep fighting. But here, but UFC is different than boxing.

Boxing I ain't got to worry about nothing but these. Yep. And the UFC, I got to worry about these, these, this. Guillotine choked, real necketrope, triangle chope, arm bar. You're right. I got too many things to worry about these. You're right. And when you've made that kind of money.

Yes. Oh, so you and I, we talk about it all the time. The Peyton Manning and the Tom Brady's and the guy that's made hundreds of million dollars to steal. But all they're doing is throwing the football. Ain't nobody need to, just imagine, if they didn't have no offensive line. And now you've got to come out there and throw the ball. Yep, yep, yep, yep, nobody protected. Yes.

When you go into the octagon, Like, I always say, hey, they say, man, are you nervous about this TV? And I'm like, bro, I fought in front of millions of people in my underwear. You got some shorts on and nothing else is gloves, right? Yeah. So nothing makes me nervous anymore. Right. But to do that as a very, very rich man.

Yes. And get hit and get kneeed and elbow. What if you get cut? You start going, God, I don't really need to do this no more, man. Right, right. And as you get older, it gets harder to train. You don't recover as quick. You're like, you can just pop out of bed when you're in your 20.

You're like, oh, let's go do it again. I'm not sore. You start getting your late 30s? Yeah. Nah, I take the day off. And again, he hasn't fought in like four and a half years because he broke his leg last time. Yes. Yeah, you did.

He broke his leg. And you know when you take that kind of layoff and when Muhammad Ali basically missed three years, and that was because of the Vietnam. on war. He was never the same. He was never the same guy. He was never the same. And he was still young when he came back. He was still young when he came back. But he was never the same. There's nothing

like fighting when you fight. There's nothing like, we talk about this. Oh, training, oh, off-season conditioning. You get in shape by playing football. You become a better fighter by fighting. All that spark. And then you took

time off, and he's not a... Connor's not a guy. Oh, he's taking time off. And he's in the gym every day. No, he's not. He's on a yacht with his shirt off. Yep. Yeah, he is. With 30 bad, he's on the football.

Yeah, he's, that's the truth. Yeah. That's the truth. That's the truth, man. This game, we know, I know you love football. Yep. Who you got? You got the Patriots or Seahawks.

Seahawks. What did you like about the Seahawks? Defense. I knew it. I knew it. Defense. Yeah. Man, I'll tell you, man, they'd be, A.

Let me tell you something. That's a damn shame what they'd be doing in the 49ers, huh? Bad. Two times back to back. Hey, man, we, I was at a wrestling tournament. We in Los Angeles. We get done. We go watch the game.

I got somebody, because I live in the Bay. Yeah. They love, they, faithful to the Bay. They, you know, they put it on their shirt. I say, man, that's cute, faithful to the Bay. They say, we're going to win tonight. They said, because Coach is the type of guy, Shanahan, the type of guy that in that in that last game of the season, he don't show that much.

He held some stuff back. No, he did. We don't want to give him everything because it's easier if we don't get home field advantage we still can go get them in Seattle. I say, man, y'all tripping, if you believe that. Man, they went up there to Lumen Field.

Seattle don't put it on them bad. They did. It was bad. Oh, yeah. And I'm watching that. And I'm watching that. And then I watched New England in Denver. Now, the game was a good game.

Right. But you're struggling to put up points against Denver. How are you going to put points up against Seattle? I'm sorry, man. I ain't tried to disrespect. I ain't trying to disrespect with Denver. No, I promise so.

We needed our quarterback. Y'all needed your quarterback. The fact that y'all played that good without the quarterback is the defense. Yeah, defense would be good. But, boy. I heard you talk about the fight that was just in Australia, Boko. Yep, yep. Are you surprised that he's still fighting at that level at that age?

Yeah, shoot. They keep talking about retirement, man. And then he just, he, Diego Lopez is dangerous. Yes. He beat him worse than he did the first time. Yeah. He's so smart, dude. Hey, I swear to God.

Have you met him? Have you guys met him? No, I haven't met him. Man, he's so small. He's so short. He might be 5'6. Is he smaller than Mighty Mouse? No.

No. How was Mighty Mouse so that good? He the best, bro. Dude, how much Mighty Mouse away? He fought at 125. But guess what, Dushan? He was the best. He one time was behind the dude.

He got the dude with his hands locked behind him. Demetrius Johnson threw the guy in the air. Like he threw him up in the air. Yeah, yeah. He releases him. When the guy starts falling because gravity takes hold, he puts him in the arm bar. He called it.

And then he said, I call that the mouse trap. He's not called that the mouse trap. I said, man, did you make that up? He said, I made that up. He threw him in the air. By the time the dude, they hit the ground. Demetri's got him in the arm bar. He tapped him.

That's crazy. He was good, man. That brother was good. Are you surprised? Because I remember, and people don't remember, they used to have the way they used to fight, they didn't have weight classes. And you fought and you kept fighting and you fight, you know, you might fight three, four times in the night and the last man standing one.

Yep, yep, yep, when they had a horse Gracie, yep. Yeah, they had Ken Shamrock. Yep, yep, yep. They had the big heavy hit, Dan to be severing. You've been watching this, huh? The first fight, the first two fights. The first two fights were in Denver. I saw him.

Yeah. And so I was like, I don't know if that's fair. This little ass, because I remember when Horace Gracie came out there, I was like, this man, this big old dude, by the tennis little dude. Submissions. Man, did he got a, he let me. I said, why he's laying down? He's got to get this little land stuff.

And I was like, he better get up from there. They make him. And I don't, but he did something. But the next thing you know, the dude was like. Tap. Yeah. Did you think UFC would ever get to what it got? No.

Because I asked Dana, Dana's like, no. Dana said we just bought, we bought UFC logo in some gear. For $2 million. $2 million. And now it's worth, what, $7, $8 billion? $7 billion. Yeah. But that's the thing, right?

Credit to the Fratita brothers, to Dana, but having the vision of what this thing could have been. Because at its core, right, we all love fighting. Yes. Right? If you're on the football field, if you're on the basketball court, if you're on the playground anywhere, the moment people start, fighting, what do we all do?

Circle around and see. Go toward and watch. Right? So having the vision to recognize that fighting is something that everybody wants to enjoy. And it's universal. It's universal.

Everybody thinks they can fight. So let's figure out a way to make people tap into it. And that's exactly what they did. It's, dude, this sport, I was a world champion for five years. Yes, sir. I am more recognizable today.

Yes. Because I talk about the UFC than I was even when I was playing the game. It's crazy. And I think the thing is, what they did is that everybody thinks their discipline is the best. So we're going to see what a karate guy could do against a jujitsu guy,

what he could do against a judo guy, or what he could do against a Sambo guy. Especially at the start, right? Especially at the start. That's what it was about. But today, I think that question has been answered. It's the wrestler. It's the wrestler. He better into judicious? The wrestler's the guy. Because the wrestler, the wrestler, the wrestler determines where the fight takes place. Yes.

If you got the jujitsu guy, you don't let him take you down and you beat him in the stand-up. You got the stand-up guy, you take him down, and you beat him on the ground. It's the wrestler. See, the wrestler's the guy. That's what makes me so special. That's what makes me so special.

Because I'm a wrestler. I'm a two-time state championship, champion. What do you talk about? I don't wrestle. What, 115? No, 205 in high school. Boy, the 40-5 would pull your ass with me. They see.

They didn't see. You like, mighty-mouth threw that guy off in there? Two-time state champion in wrestling. And then I can stand up and go with the best of them. You're from Florida, aren't you? Y'all from Liberty City. They don't do those wrestling. But you, you're a two-time state champion?

Yeah. I got some friends in Florida, man. I'm going to fact check that. Yeah, fact-checking. Tell the check. You might, like, I'm thinking more like the Midwest is where the wrestlers are. Yeah, Midwest. Ohio, stuff like that.

Oklahoma State. Iowa. Iowa, Oklahoma. I went to Oklahoma State. Pennsylvania. Pennsylvania. They got the best high school wrestling in the country. Do they?

Yeah, they'd be beating us, man. We got to California, man. We've been the Pennsylvania kids beginning. We got to California. I got to stick the football and the track and field running. Them country boy would see the weather get cold. Yep. You go inside.

You go inside. You're going inside. You're going inside. Your season, like hours and stuff like that where it gets cold and those guys. See, the weather's warm so you can run all. You can, you know, track and field. You can train all around. Football, you can train all around.

That's why the warm weather states do better. In football. Yep. Basketball. Baseball. Yep, that's why. You going to the game? I'm not.

So my son, my son has a wrestling tournament. Okay. And we're going to the East. We're going to go into Virginia. So I'm going to chase the weather for my son to wrestle, man. It's cold, too. Like it. Is that what he wants to do?

He wants to be falling in dad's football. He likes football. He likes football. He likes football. He likes football. He's hit now. He can tackle now. He's been wrestling his old life.

He's a linebacker, right? He's way 173 pounds. He's in eighth grade. And he got to be almost as tall as me. Already? He means to. I like to tackle. I like it.

So what is he going to go? You want him to do both? you want to do both. I think it's important to do both. I don't think that you should... I think that in most sports today, kids specialize. I agree. I agree. I think you've got to enjoy your life, man.

Plus, I like that. And it helps with other things. It helps with everything in life. It does. It does. He's specialized in one sport. Are you one of those parents that pushes and pushes and pushes? You've got to do this.

You got to do that. Or you just let him, whatever he decides to do, you're okay with it? I haven't pushed him that much. I haven't pushed him that much. And I think I could have pushed him more. Right. Right, because when you wrestle or you fight and your dad is me, it's kind of hard, right? Because I've heard kids going, I'll beat D.C. son.

And I'm like, I don't want them to, like, him have to have to be him. Yeah, come on, man. Like, you didn't beat me, right? You beat my son. But that's his claim to fame. But they claim to fame. So I kind of didn't push him all that much. Right.

But now it's like I'm doing a little bit more. Like, so he's in his gap year this year. Yes, sir. So he's in eighth grade. But he's doing like a, it's almost like a girl. shirt year, while he takes another eighth grade year before he goes in the high school. So now he gets up in the morning, he lifts his weights, right? Then he goes and he does his, he does pads.

I got him doing boxing. Right. Then he goes to school, and then he might wrestle a little bit. Then he goes home and he sleeps. Yeah. And I just do this game probably 20 pounds because you grow when you sleep. Right. So during the day, this dude's sleeping.

He's like so disciplined now. I'm so proud of that kid, man. He's doing a good job. How much bigger you think he's going to get? I bet. I bet he'll be 210, 210, 215 pounds when he's a senior, maybe 220.

I think he'll get big. 6-1, 6-2. I'm the shortest guy in my family. Okay. So probably 6-1, 6-2, 21-21, when he graduates high school. You did play some football. Yep.

Do you wish you had stuck with football? No. Let me tell you something, man. Let me tell you something. Were y'all on good football teams in high school? We were decent. We were okay. So did you have people, but you know,

growing up in the South, right? Everybody think they go on that NFL, man. Everybody think they go on the NFL. So if a dude is like all-state honorable mention, he's like the greatest thing in the world. But he don't want to take no responsibility. He don't want to lead. And so I was on teams when we had like a couple good dudes,

but they were like very like cancerous. Right. The only team that was good was the year I was a senior. Right. You guys know the Cupid Shuffle? Yeah, yeah, of course. We went to high school again. one of my boys, right?

So we were like the leaders of the team, and we were a good team. Right. But before that, it was bad. So by the time I was done with football, I was like, man, I'm on the wrestling, Matt. And I didn't made the United States World Team for 16-year-olds. Right. So I'm traveling the world wrestling going, I know that if I do what I'm supposed to do, I'm winning state championships.

I'm wrestling in world championships. But on the football field, I can't take all these guys with me. Right. So I was like, I'm always going to wrestle with me. first. Okay. DC. You're the man, boy. Thank y'all. Congratulations. Thank you. You guys. I appreciate y'all. I love y'all chemistry, boys. Appreciate you, D.C. Daniel, D.C. Cormier, one of the great M.M.A. mixed martial artists of all time.

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