Nightcap - BEST OF 2025 Part 1: Ocho CHECKS Cris Carter, LeBron James & Stephen A. Smith feud

Episode Date: December 25, 2025

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson break down the Biggest Stories of 2025 on Nightcap! Unc and Ocho react to LeBron James and Stephen A. feud, Ocho claps back at Cris Carter while Unc had some TIME for Asante Samuel Subscribe to Nightcap presented by PrizePicks so you don’t miss out on any new drops! Download the PrizePicks app today and use code SHANNON to get $50 in lineups after you play your first $5 lineup! Visit https://prizepicks.onelink.me/LME0/NI... 0:00 - Ocho CHECKS Cris Carter for DISRESPECTING his football career8:09 - Unc BREAKS HIS SILENCE on LeBron & Stephen A. Smith feud18:06 - "YOU'RE NOT PRIME:" Unc FIRES BACK at Asante Samuel42:38 - Why Was Shedeur Sanders Passed Over Again?! (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Ocho, while we're away, there's some people that have some words for you. For me? Chris Carter had some words for Ocho last week. He said there were points. Oh, yep. He said there were points in Chad's career that you had to go out there and tell him what to do because he couldn't get open to save his life. He couldn't get open against average guys.

Chad Johnson scored double-digit touchdowns one time in his 11 years. I think I scored double-digit touchdowns six times. Scoring the football is the number one play as a receiver. No, I was not a burner. I ran 4-6, 4-6-5, but can do it every single day, can do it for four quarters and it consistent at it. Ocho? You know what that get?

Child, please. I don't know. I'm just trying to figure out what. I have a question. Before you even go, what the hell is that matter? What does it matter? Okay, you scored double the time. touchdowns. Okay, cool. You want a cookie? Right. Okay.

What brought this on? Have you had a conversation with C.C.? Have you had a conversation with C.C? No, I don't need to. I have a question. So, right? I heard also he said,

well, he only had double-digit touchdowns one season. So he's not a Hall of Famer. But does that mean Julio Jones is not a Hall of Fame either? Because Julio Jones only had double-digit touchdowns one season.

You have dumbness sounds? Yeah. So sometimes I listen to things and everyone's situation is different. You know, everyone's situation different. Yeah. I mean, so stuff like that, I paid no mind because everything is predicated off numbers and based on what they did, based on other people's situations, were different, you know.

Obviously, where I was, I did the best I could with the cards I was dealt. And I did one hell of a goddamn job. I don't care not about what you did. I don't care not about your numbers. It don't make me none. Why is my name even being brought up? That's what I was trying to figure out. know why it was brought up. I don't. Because like I said, Ocho, me, I don't really listen to

anybody else's podcast. I got enough thing to try to, you know, to try to make our podcast better than what it is. And I got club Shay, Shay, so I'm trying to get gas and I'm going with the book. It's like, okay, who do you think we should get? Blah, blah, blah. So I don't really have time to pay attention. But it just kept popping up, not only on, on, on, kept popping up on Twitter and then I saw it on the internet. I'm like, okay, what brought this about? I said, did Ocho say something about him or

what transpired? For one, you know, I don't talk about people. Let's talk about people. We definitely don't talk about people that do what we do. Never. And, you know, I don't talk about nobody, you know, but congratulations with everything he said. I happy for you, Chris Coddy, your double-digit

touchdowns and your Hall of Fame and all that other good stuff. I love you. I wish you continued success and whatever. whatever the issue you got going on, baby. I know what we're doing over here, though. I know I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know, I know I know I'm going. I'm going, I'm going that way. Maybe he wanted you to respond.

I did respond. I just said I love him. No, but I'm saying I thought, I mean, I think maybe he wanted you to respond in a different way and then it goes back and it goes back and forth. I ain't got, look, wait, oh, we don't got too grown. I got, first of all, you got kids. I got kids. I got grandkids.

I'm not fend to go look what we did we did I can't he can't go back and score no more touchdowns you can't go back and score no more touchdowns well whoa whoa who can't go back and score no touchdowns who can't we're right here hey hold on I'm still scoring touchdowns right now oh man yes you're doing that good a great job oh man I'm still scoring touchdowns in life he's about when we played I don't care about that I'm scoring double-digit touchdowns right now yeah sure come on that you're not see you're not You're not hearing where I'm coming from. I hear what you said.

I know. I know. But that's my thing is that sometimes we get called up and talk about what we used to do. We all were great. Talk to me. What you doing that? We were all great at once upon a time in our own right. Okay.

You know, you did what you did. I think C.C. played 16 seasons. Wait, how many, how many he played? 16. How many I played? I don't know. Hell, you played. I think you played 11 to 12, did you? 11, I played 11, he played 16.

How many yards do you got? Man, look here. I'm just asking. I'm just trying to get a better understand. How many yards do you got? Ask, Ash, how many yards does C.C. have? But, okay. said Cici snap because he was pissed

that Ocho for saying that he could beat Travis in a one-on matchup 10 out of 10 times. Why is he worried about... Bro, we'd just be joking when we say stuff, man. It ain't that serious. He knew that. He knew that because I do the same thing with everybody. He just... You do.

And so I said, Ocho, can you not challenge everybody that come on here? Who? You? Everybody that come on here can get that work. You hear me? And Travis... C.C. had a tick below 14,000 yards.

He had 13,89. yards. So he played 15 season. 16, I think. 16. And he got, what, 13,000 yards? Almost 14,000. Okay. So he plays 15, 16. He only got 3,000 more yards than me and played five more season. I had 11. I guess, yeah.

Okay, okay. I'm just trying to get a better understanding on why. Okay, cool. Anyway, but like I was saying, anybody that come on this show, I had the utmost confidence in my ability and being able to do any and everything. That's something that a lot of people in this world lack. Even if you feel you can't do it, you have to fear you can because everything starts up here in the mind. So everybody that comes over here regards to what sport they play or whatever it is that they do, I feel I can beat them.

And if you feel you can beat me doing at what you do best, whatever it may be, you're going to have to show me. You're going to have to show me. Matter of fact, Chris Carter, I'll lock Chris Carter ass up right now. You're talking about what he did. You should. He's 60. Huh?

He's 60. What that mean? He's talking like he still got it. Get out here. Get on the field. Line it up. Put your cleats on. I'll lock your ass up too.

Him and Travis on him. We got a pulse. That's what we got. So we breathe it. We walk it. We get up out of bed. We had our right mind. Blood running warm of our veins.

Wait a minute. Wait a minute. Wait a minute. See, this is the thing about it. One thing about the wide receiver camp, the workshop that I just had is I'm not just talking. I'm not just saying what it should look like. Uncle, I'm out there with my cleats and my shoes on, what? At that they're running full speed, I still got it. You

hit me? So it's one thing, once you go back in that structure environment, you know, with the X and those, and you have a receiver coach, they actually never played, never really played the game. They just know the game based on paper and what it should look like. Yeah. Like, I'm not there running them routes with you. I'm not only just, I'm not telling you what it should look like. I can actually display it and show you. Boy, this is. This is Picasso. Yeah. I would say this, look.

I've known Cece a long time. His brother and I used to hang when we went to the Super Bowls and stuff. I would just say this. C.C. Know when the man joking. It wasn't that serious. No, no. C.C., I love you, baby.

But put them cleats on. Put them cleats on. I'm going to show you. Double-digit touchdown. I put these two hands in your chest. I'm Stefan Curry, and this is gentleman's cut. I think what makes gentlemen's cut different is me being a part of developing the profile of this beautiful finished product.

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Explain the mashup that occurs around the OK. out. How in the world is it Doc Holliday's business? In episode 799 of the Meat Eater podcast, host Stephen Rinella talks with author and Old West historian Mark Lee Gardner. Whenever there was a posse form, Doc Holliday was always there to help out. So he's like, I'm sick, I'm half dead, I'd love to throw in. So he just gets excited when there's a posse. It's like your buddy drew a tag, you know? Listen to the Meat Eater podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. For 25 years, I've explored what it means to heal, not just for myself, but alongside others.

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Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. What? You won't catch shit. LeBron James went on the Pat McAfee show today, nearly three weeks after confronting Stephen A at a basketball game. The Brian broke his silence on the incidents, referring to the fallout as a Taylor Swift tour run for Stephen A.

The B started, excuse me, overcome it Stephen A made regarding Bronny. I initially wasn't going to say anything. I wasn't going to talk about it. We didn't talk about it. Y'all didn't hear anything from me for about the incident for three weeks ago. But now LeBron has went on P. Matt, and we have to talk about it now.

LeBron said he hasn't been too happy with how Stephen A. has reacted to the situation. He's on a Taylor Run Swift tour right now. It started off with I didn't want to address it, but since the video came out, I feel, this is LeBron talking, I need to address it.

He completely missed the whole point. The whole point, never would I allow people to talk, not allow people to talk about the sport and criticize players about what they do. This is your job. to criticize or to a position where there's a guy's not performing, you know, that's all a part of the game. But when you take it and you get personal with it,

it's not my job to not only protect my damn household, but protect the players. He's going to be smiling ear to ear when this comes out talking about it because I know he's going to be happy as hell. Me? I wish Stephen that we just left it alone. Once he addressed it, Once it happened, the first time, address it, this is what happened.

He came over to me, said what he said, I want to address it now, and I'm going to be done with it. Right. Because as my grandma's to say, boy, stirring up oldish, it still smells. So every time, every time Stephen A talks about it, it stirs it up again. Yeah. And look, I see both sides of the equation. but Stephen A just need to let it go

He needs to let it go And now you're like Well if he'd hit him I don't think LeBron was coming to hit you LeBron was coming to tell you bro Just stop talking about my son He said because you said Oh as a father

Now you're making it personal You're making it personal Because now you're making it seems And this is how LeBron I think took it You make it it seem that I'm not a good father That I'm not putting myself And putting my son in the position Right

To be successful and so you're like you're pushing this and so LeBron took it a certain way and am I surprised LeBron responded the way he did so publicly because LeBron is a very private person he might have an issue with someone and you will never know it.

You'll never know it, yeah. You'll never know it. And so for him to do that at a game and it wasn't after the game, it wasn't before the game, it was the third quarter during a time out. Right. Let you know how upset

he was at Stephen A and what Stephen A had been saying. But at this point in time, I understand LeBron, they asked LeBron about this, but if I'm Stephen A, hey, guys, I've already addressed that. He said what he said. I understood his

point. I said what I said. Now it's time to move on. Look, it's not going to stop me from talking about LeBron James, the basketball player on the court. But the incident, I feel that we've talked about it at nauseam. I feel we've talked about it enough,

and now it's time to move on. That's what I wish Stephen they would do. But like he said, I mean, look, I get it. That's LeBron James. It's the biggest name in pro-North American sport. And when you mention his name, good, bad, or indifferent, people don't want to click and hear what you have to say about him.

But the one thing I know about this guy, and I know him a little bit, I don't know him as well as a lot of people do. That man loves his family. He's going to protect his family now. Always, always. And I think, I think when you think about it, and you go back to the way things, things happen with LeBron actually addressing Stephen A court side is, well, what Stephen A said, obviously was said publicly on a public, on a public forum on TV. So he addressed it the same, the exact same way, publicly, courtside in the middle of a game.

Yes, yes. Now, as a father, you know, and like Stephen A said, he understood what LeBron was coming from. Knowing Stephen A, I think in the individual that he is, LeBron said what he had to say today, I'm sure Stephen A is going to respond to that. Because you have to think about. Anytime anyone says anything to or about Stephen A, he's going to have an answer to whatever is being said.

That's just him. And it's always been him. I know you would like him to leave it alone. But I don't think that's not how it's going to go. The only thing I would have said was Stephen A, look, I know people are going to like, man, LeBron should have stole on you. LeBron should have did this.

Man, they're just talking. Stephen and me, you're saying, man, I'm about to be 57, you're about to be 58. That ain't even your M.O. Right. You ain't going to fight nobody. LeBron wasn't going to swing on you, and you weren't going to swing on you,

so there would have been no need for you to swing on him. I'm glad you guys stood there and y'all talked. Look, he said what he said. You seem to be receptive at the time of it. you understand seemingly you said you understood because he was speaking to you as a father and not LeBron James the basketball player and seemingly you said you understood that

let it go now let it go now look I mean I had issues I remember I had a conversation with Kevin Durant when he first got traded to Phoenix and I walked into the hotel and I was like damn that's KG and he said oh let me hollet you right quick I said what's okay you know

so you know I'm like Damn, I ain't get no dab, no dab, what? Let me holl at you right quick. He said, what's up, bro? He said, man, what it is? You got beef with you, you don't like me or something? I said, nah, why do you say that? He said, man, the way you talk.

I said, KD, bro, I'm passionate. I say, any topic that we discuss on that show, I'm very, very passionate. I spend a lot of time researching it, and I'm very, very careful to what I say. I say, KD, it ain't about no like or dislike. I say, I don't know you personally. I talk about is what you do on the court. That's it. Whatever you may or may not do off the court, I don't give a damn. Right. I said, you can ask your mom. I've had, I've talked to

your mom at nauseam. She used to come on the show. I've seen that event. I said, Katie, any like or dislike. I said, I'm just passionate about topic, bro. I say, I ain't got no, I don't dislike anybody because I don't know anybody to dislike them. It's not like, like me and I used to hang out with Oatke. Yeah. Oattsch O'Leodle? Charles Oakley used to run on the track with us. Oatte used to come to the gym and work out with me.

Oake and I used to go out to Houston's. That was his favorite restaurant. The N-word always got the cheese toast. Me and Oke had a, have a relationship. I picked a phone and call O'Koh. I say, I don't know any of these current players like that. Right. I say, but I'm just passionate about topic.

I say, bro, I ain't no like or dislike. I said, but if I probably didn't like you, if I didn't like you, you know it. Right. He said, all right. He said, man, I just, he said, I just, you know, I said, cool, bro. I said, I ain't got no problem with you. I said, any time. Hey, say, hey, here, give me your phone.

We exchanged numbers, left it at that. He saw, I was at the game the other, last year, a couple of years ago, I took my daughter to the first. Well, it might have been this. Now, I was two years ago, but anyway. Yeah. Had to talk to him on the bench, laughing, talk. I ain't got no problem with nobody, Ocho. And I'm not trying to go for bad or nothing like that,

but that ain't how I am. And guys, I think when guys see me, they know, I ain't, I ain't all about that, man. I'm just, I'm just cool. I just want to vibe, have a good old time. But like I said, I appreciate instead of him, like, you know, we on Twitter and the internet trying to blow it up. Hey, somebody got a problem with me?

Just, hey, come to me. right just come to me i ain't got no problem i talked to anybody anybody anywhere about anything you got a problem with what i said oh oh oh why you said that sharp why you said that right this is why i said that go right and you know what i do like though uh i'm not sure how the people i'm not sure how people in the chat field but i enjoy it when you talk about kevin durant players of that magnitude elite players i mean obviously we talk about one of the greatest scores of all time i love the way kevin durant uses social media I love the way he's so accessible to the people

to be the star that he is with LeBron and allow himself to be vulnerable. What LeBron did today, I've never seen LeBron do before. What he did on the Pat McAvey show, sitting there for an hour straight and actually just being vulnerable, talking about everything, I really, really enjoyed that

because there's some from LeBron that obviously I've never seen before and I really, really enjoyed that. And I wish more superstar elite athletes would do that. Be a little bit more open, be a little bit more accessible. And, I mean, it was just enjoyable. It was enjoyable to see them outside that normal setting of not being, not being viewed as the king, if that makes sense.

Well, most of the great players are going to be guarded because they're going to only going to give you so much. They're going to allow you to see so much of what they want you to see. If you look at all the great players, they've always been very, very guarded. They're not going to totally let you inside, especially... I'm Stefan Curry, and this is Gentleman's Cut. I think what makes Gentleman's Cut different is me being a part of developing the profile of this beautiful finished product.

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Daniel Jeremiah here. And I'm Bucky Brooks. If you love breaking down football from every angle, you're in the right place. Every week on Move the 6th, Bucke Brooks and I dive deep into the game from the X's and O's to the front office moves shaping the league.

We kick things off with Brian Baudinger, breaking down, but really went down on Sunday. It is as good at timing rhythm offense as there is in the league right now. Then Rhett Lewis joins us for our rookie draft and coordinator of the week, where we highlight the rising stars and the masterminds calling the shots. DJ talked me into a Ronde Gadsden Jr. He had a monster game. A monster game. And you hear from the voices who actually build the game. GMs, coaches, and players who give you insight you won't get

anywhere else. High standards and high care. That's the right combination. So whether you're studying tape or just love great football talk, subscribe to move the sticks on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts or wherever you get your podcasts. Explain the mashup that occurs around the OK Corral. How in the world is it Doc Holliday's business? In episode 799 of the Meat Eater podcast, host Stephen Rinella talked with author and Old West historian Mark Lee Gardner. Whenever there was a posse formed, Doc Holliday was always there to help out.

So he's like, I'm sick, I'm half dead, I'd love to throw in. So he just gets excited when there's a posse. It's like your buddy drew a tag. You know, listen to the Meat Eater podcast on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Is that another email from your boss bragging about their fantasy football team? It's time to take them down in the playoffs. I'm JJ Zacharyason, host of the late round fantasy football podcast. Tune in daily for winning insights to help dominate your work league, your family league,

or the league with your college friends who still think they know ball. It's time to lock in and get your roster. championship ready. Listen to late round fantasy football in the IHeart radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. For 25 years, I've explored what it means to heal, not just for myself, but alongside others. I'm Mike Delocho.

This is Sacred Lessons, a space for reflection, growth, and collective healing. What do you tell men that are hurting right now? Everything's going to be okay on the other side, you know, just pushed through it. And, you know, ironically, the root of the word spirit is breath. Wow. Which is why one of the most revolutionary acts that we can do as peoples just breathe. Next to the wound is their gifts. You can't even find your gifts unless you go through the wound.

That's the hard thing. You think, well, I'm going to get my guess. I don't want to go through all that. You've got to go through the wounds you're laughing. Listening to other people's near-death experiences, and it's all they say. In conclusion, love is the answer. Listen to Sacred Lessons as part of the Mike Uthura Podcast Network, available on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts,

or wherever you get your podcast. While they're a current player. Asante Samuel saw the clips of us debating him in Prime and he responded to us, Ocho. That's your problem, pimp. You're also brainwashed at Shannon Sharp. I'm not worried about what everyone proceeds to be true. Like yourself, I stand on facts.

You have yet to talk about the facts. You can easily be manipulated just like everyone has because of marketing. I bet you won't debate me, big facts. Shannon Sharp, safety has the short middle. Nobody's in the deep but me and the receiver. You don't know the truth, pimp. You just talking out you with no facts. Let's talk or you're scared like everyone else, bro.

Hey, I ain't even know your answers. You like, okay, I like that. I like that, huh? Hey, y'all, hey, listen, we can have a club, shay-shay, right? Listen to me now, stay with me. You have a club, shay-shae, DB edition, a good conversation, PowerPoint presentation style, film up there to support each of your opinions and facts that you might have. It ain't no opinion.

He's not time. What are we debated? Let me finish, baby, let me finish. Listen, I'm giving you the ultimate content right now, something that's never been done before. A format that's never been done before. Two players. Actually, three, because you were part of a two. Three players.

You got Prime and Sonny Samuels and you. You're one that loves a breakdown film. He's also one that loves a breakdown film. Now, just picture this. You talk about you think Cat Williams did a whole bunch of numbers? What do you think you and Sondon sent down, you know, going over, okay, you want to prove it? Prove it. Die in the sky, don't lie.

I'm just throwing the ID out there because the format has never been. been none before. I've given, I've given Coach Time and myself have given Talante Samuel more tension since he's been retired than he's ever gotten. After tonight, I'm done with this. There's nothing to debate. My bad. There's no one going to say he's in the realm of time. He's in the realm of Derrell Revis. He's in the realm of Rod Woodson or a Charles Woodson or a Darrell Green or a male blunt. He's not I don't give a damn what he says about the film he played he played more he played more

look bro you had an unbelievable career congratulations you're just not time you're not time you're not reavers you're hold on father did he make an all decade team because time made all decade and he's one of the 100 greatest players of all time let's see his resume let's see his body of work I complimented. I said time don't believe in waste emotion. The T-step worked well for Asante. I gave him a compliment.

Let's see his resume. So he didn't make all decade. Four-time pro. bowler, one time all pro. How many pro? How many pro bowl is the time made? How many all team? Yeah. Same number of Super Bowl's. But one guy was a defensive player of the year. One guy as a defensive back swung the balance of power. How many DBs can say swung the balance of power? He go to one team to keep the other team from going. He goes to the other team and keep that team from going.

Bro, you had an unbelievable career. You went to a pro bowl, you're an all pro. You're not time. And there's no, and that's not a knock. It's okay. It's okay. But I don't know why you're getting mad at me. I tell you what,

go find the gym, go find the coach, go find the player that says Asante Samuel is the equivalent or better than time. That's all you got to do. Hell, your son won't say you better than time. And he'll a junior. Let's be real, man. You're coming.

I'm the wrong one you. What's you doing? Where are you going? I got that. I don't know what you're talking about, bro. I don't know what you're talking about. talking about. I complimented you. I said you had an outstanding career. I say the T-Step served you well. I just said you weren't time. That's okay. If somebody says, you know what,

Shannon, you had an unbelievable career. Shannon, you went to eight pro boys. You're a first team all-pro. You're an all-decade player. You're in the Hall of Fame. But you ain't Grom. Okay. You ain't Travis Kelsey? Okay. But you ain't going to go to no other tight-in. let me talk about you ain't that. If you want to say Grom, if you want to say Kelsey, Shannon, you're not bad. I ain't fin to fight you.

But you ain't going to go no more. You ain't going to go no more. Because when I left, every record that a tight end could have, I had it. Catches, yards, touchdown, most yards of the game. Hey, so hold on.

Now that you mention that, when it comes, when we factor in the numbers and statistics, does that play any? factor in Assange's case, or it doesn't matter? Just, just curious. He had more, he had more past breakups and fewer interceptions. How many pick 60 did he have?

All I know is when I left the game, I had every record that a tight end could possibly have. Ain't nobody had them but me. Now, they don't came along and broke him, Gonzo broke him, and Gates did this and gronk and this and that. But I don't know, I don't know why he mad at me. I gave him a compliment. Yeah. I said he had an outstanding career.

I said the T-Step for him served him well. Mm-hmm. I like the combo. I like the dialogue. I would love, especially for not the casual fan, but for people that are fans of the game, I wish we could die a little bit more. I'm obviously not here on the show.

I'm just asking you, find a general manager, find the head coach, find the receiver. Because he's talking about, He's talking like he was there. He might, I guarantee you, will you find somebody that say he'll top 10, a top 10 cornerback? If we go back and study history,

top 10 corner. So we got time, we got Revis, we got Mel Blunt, we got Rod Wilson, we got Daryl Green, we got Annes Williams, we got Mel Blunt. Okay, that's seven right there. Where are we going to put him in the list of all time, and the history of the NFL,

And he's crack in the top 10. That's your, I mean, that's your homeboy. I'm what you tell me. You tell me. Where would you put him? No, I'm asking you, I just named seven guys. Which one of those seven guys you are you putting him in front of? Oh, you heard me?

Yeah, I'm listening. I'm asking you. Oh, I forgot about Champ Bailey. You put him in front of champ? You ain't answered a question. Are you putting him in front of champ? You heard me? I'm listening, yeah.

Where would you put him? No, I asked you. I asked you. I asked you questions. Yes. No, I'm asking you. Where do you raise you? ranking based on what you're called i just asked this man a simple question i gave him seven

eight names he's talking about where would i rank it i ask you yeah because don't know i get it you're gonna probably bump into him hold on hold on hey hold on it don't matter who i bump into okay well you got it in front of the guys that i mentioned but he addressed you where are you asking me the question he addressed you so i'm asking you when are you ran i already doesn't said it are you putting He's not in front of Time. He's not in front of Revis. He's not in front of Ward Wilson. He's not in front of Charles Wilson.

He's not in front of Mel Blunt. He's not in front of Nealz Williams. He's not in front of a champ Bailey. That's seven. Okay. That's seven guys. Okay. Now, you, who is he in front of?

Is he top 10 all time in the history? Dick Knight Train Lane, Amil Tunnel. Is he in... Okay. Hey, hey, uh, uh, I'm just asking. He got all these facts. Who is he in front of? I'll tell you what.

Who is he in front of of the list that I just named? You name, you name all, you, you name all, you, you name all time, like all time. He talking like he all time great. That's the problem. Somebody got a problem with him saying he's not good. We're talking about, he's talking about, you're talking about all time great. The guy that I list, he's at the front of the line.

Time it. Male Blunt, defensive player of the year. Charles Wilson, defensive player of the year. Rod Wilson, defensive player of the year. There have been a lot of guys. But number two, one is at the front of the line. Yeah. He's talking like he's in that group.

There are a group. Look, we go into a room. In the Hall of Fame. Okay. We go into a room. We all into a room, but there are certain guys at certain tables. We're in the room, but we're not at that table.

He's not even in the room. He's on the outside. Hey, y'all know I played, right? Yeah, but this is for big dog. Keep it a stack. So I will chat. Y'all tell me are the guys that I listen. Who are he better than?

I ain't mentioned Pat P I ain't Richard Mitchell Sherman yet I just gave y'all a couple of names I want you to tell me who he better than than the list I listed who y'all put them in front of chap y'all put him in front of Dion y'all put him in front of Rivas

y'all put him in front of Charles Wilson Rod Woodson y'all put him in front of Mel Blunt who are y'all putting champ Bailey who are y'all putting him in front of Assate Samuel who I'm trying to see what the chat talking about No, I want you to see what the chat talking about

You played against it What you're talking about? You played against Charles Woodson You played against Pat Pee You played against Shirm Who are you putting him in front of him? I ain't I ain't play against Sharm But you know, I did I did my thing everywhere I went

You hit me? It was like Halloween. If I knock on the door, I'm coming to get some candy. I'm asking you a simple question of the guys that were mentioned. Who is he in front of? And I wouldn't say in front of, because you mentioned, you know, the greats. But he has the numbers to be in the room. I know that much.

And you base everything off numbers. When you talk about, let me finish. Before you say anything, when you talk about MJ, in comparison to Michael Jordan, when it comes to the base in any other sport, we always bring up the numbers. But all of a sudden, the numbers are ignored when it comes to now talking about the two people in comparison. He got four probos. Now, listen. Hold on, the dude got four pro bows. Listen to me.

I'm not finished. Okay. But again, now we understand. But when we do a comparison based on greatness, you know, we do everything. Like, guess what, you had a former coach. Your former coach had three Pro Bowes and 62 picks. You taking Dick LeBoe? Oh, hey, what did you like numbers?

Hey, what did you like numbers? Hey, what do you know about what you know about, hey. You just told me numbers. Yeah, I mean, listen, that's what everything is based off of, right? No, okay, numbers. Okay, let's go all pros. Let's go Pro Bowes. Let's go all decade.

Let's go defensive play of the year. Right, right. That's part of numbers also, just not picks. Okay, okay. See, I look at it like this. If you get six picks and you give up eight touchdowns, what have you done? Okay, I see what you're doing. I got it.

I thought the job of a corner is to take away more than you give up. That's a great combo. I'm just waiting on this man to tell me. Who is he better than than the list I renamed? Now, we're going to have, guess what? Let's have the conversation. Hopefully, Lord Spare of both of our lives, we're able to have a conversation

another 10 to 15 years. We will. I'm going to need to see a gold jacket on his back because all the guys that I mentioned, now, hey, Jalen Ramsey's going to be coming up. Richard Sherman's going to be coming up. Pat P.'s going to be coming up. You see, what he's trying to do,

oh, it's all about marketing. Bro, you played on the Patriots. Todd Law played on the Patriots. Ty Lowe got a red jacket and a gold jacket. So don't do that bull job about marketing. If you, who was on TV more than the Patriots, Ocho? Oh, during, during that 20 year? During that time, who?

Yeah. Oh, so now it's marketing. Time ain't no marketing, bro. Yeah, he marketed himself to know how to parlay that. But that man on the field, you better go check them tapes. Either you can or you can. That's a great conversation. Boy, that's a good one now.

Oh, Willie Brown, Mike Haynes. Mike Haynes got nine like nine Pro Bowls. You better go check. That's a great combo. Oh, let me grab me in water.

Asante, go ahead, bro. Asante, you have a great career, bro. You're a good player. You just said, all I said, you weren't time. And you had to get personal. I don't know why. I mean, if you wanted to come on nightcap to get your name out there, you could have did that.

Hey, hey, hey, listen, that is a great combo, boy. You hear me? It's a great combo. What's a great combo? This one? I like this. Obviously, it's not me as the individual, but I'm just saying that's why I'm just saying. And his prime, is he better than Stefan Gilmore?

I mean, some point, in chat, don't y'all want Ocho to chime me in instead of just talking about this is a great combo? Hold on, I'm listening to you. You tell you, tell you. This is Nycap, Unc and Ocho. We don't listen to each other. We go back and far. I've been chiming in all.

I've been chiming in all the time. I'm listening to you. Now, listen, I. You see what he said, chat? He listened to the beat. He addressed Shannon Sharp. He sent a long message to Shannon Sharp. So I'm just listening to what you have to say.

No, where did he address Shannon Sharp, but what was Shannon Sharp speaking on? On what, on him? Oh, nightcap. Nightcap, Unc and Ocho. Right. So is your job the answer back? I get it.

Chat, y'all see, Ocho don't want to chime in Heath of Florida. Ocho might bump into it. Y'all know me. I don't give a damn. I mean, what is bumping and having to do anything? See, here's the problem. Here's the thing with Shannon Sharp. Whatever Shannon Sharp say on nightcap,

Shannon Sharp, if he bumped into said play, Shannon Sharp is mad enough to stand on that. Bro, you're not time. You're not Charles Woodson. You not Rod Woodson. You not Derell Revis. You not Mel Blunt. You not Mike Haynes.

You not Dale Green. You not. Facts. Now, of the 10 guys that I named, find a coach, find a receiver that say Assante Samuel is better than any of those guys.

see the way the way you make it sound oh see you you're being mean how am I being Ocho hey you being

hey you hear how you make it sound you make it sound like like buddy was trash or something I didn't say he was trash I'm just saying the way you talking like you're acting like we just sitting here talk about some just some old bum we i'm just i'm just curious oh joe who can i say yeah i mean listen i play the game listen i played the game right hold oh jo wait stay with me stay with me

stay with me real quick i played the game on the other side of the ball so i know i played against prime i played against zant i have an understanding of both and how good they were what they oh hold on great as prime was and how good zant was So it's hard for me to sit here and say, you know, the way you're doing it. When I saw it with my own eyes, I understand how great prime is. But then I know what that young bull was doing as well when he was playing. All I said, I said he was good. I said he was a very good player, had an unbelievable career.

He used the technique. He used the technique. he used the technique that time doesn't approve of two things can be true yes sir okay some guys like to play press and open the gate yes some guys like to press and put hands yeah whatever technique works for you but he was talking as if he was the equivalent because he posted his stats and time stats saying look at our stats right so he's posting those stats as a if he's the equivalent. And I said he's not.

I didn't say he wasn't a good player. I said he went to Pro Bowls. I think he was an all pro. I know he won Super Bowls in New England. That's what I said. Right. He took offense that I didn't co-sign him. I don't need no marketing.

I don't need to co-sign. I think everybody's known. I didn't have an opportunity to critique time when he played, when he went back for those two. years because he was mainly a safety and he didn't start the game. Okay, that's fine. But I've never had a problem critiquing any player. I critique Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, you name a player, Ray Lewis, receivers, T.O. Randy. I've never had a problem critiquing because I'm basing it on my not intimate knowledge of the game and film study. When I was at CBS, I would watch film.

how many times when I was at CBS or Fox when you ever heard a guy called to tell him about Sheldon Sharp don't know what the hell he's talking about? No, that ain't what happened. See what y'all trying to do. Well, you're doing this. That's not what I said.

Nope, no, I've never said, I've never seen the difference is. Skip tried to say, I said I was better than Tom Brady. I said Tom Brady wasn't playing well. Why would I, as a tight end, compare myself to a quarterback? Okay, right, right, right. I would need to compare myself to Grom to Kelsey or a tight end.

That's the only way you can get an equivalent. I said, I said, yeah, Asante had a great career. Pro Bowls, Super Bowls. Now, like I said, you want to say, Sheldon, you ain't Traff, you ain't Grom. You're right. You got to live with that. You got me. Right.

You got me. But I'm just confused. Hey. But look, bro, I gave, how many? I gave you 15 minutes of fame. Fame that you never would have got had you not mentioned me or time. Enjoy it. Now, go back to your solitary life.

Nobody's going to, where with the last? I tell you what, Ocho. When was the last time, prior to last night, when was the last time you heard somebody mention of Sante Samuel? Take your time. I'm going to get me some water. Take your time.

Hey, chat, y'all keep on your interest. Hey, anyway, chat, we back. Unk, the love set. He's a love set. Other than that, it's a great conversation. I like it. I like the dialogue. I like the back and forth.

I like players also what we always talk about, having a belief, having not only belief in what you can do and what you've already done and bringing it to the forefront. Bringing it to the forefront and supporting what it is you've done in comparison to someone else who is also great.

And that's okay. Now, a lot of people won't see it that way. As you can see, include none. One thing I've always do, see, is if you were bad at what you do, then I will always come out and say that. But I played against both, and I understand how good both were. I understand how great crime was, obviously catching him on the tail end of his career and obviously playing against Asante doing his prime

and understanding how good he was, how much of a student of the game he was, and what I'm not going to do is diminish what I was able to see for years while I was playing and understanding watching film him here and understanding how good he was and how savvy was technically, you know. So it's different coming from someone that actually played on the opposite side and understand how good he was. You know, so it's hard to say,

oh, he's not, but, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, I had to go against this. I had to go against that for years. So it's different. It's different, you know. Especially, and a lot of people in the chat, obviously some of the comments on Twitter, on X, whatever it may be,

their feelings are always different as well because it's based off who you know and what they've done. Hey, that was good. I just ask you a simple question. Which one? Proud of last night. And today, when was the last time

you heard somebody mention of Sante Samuel? I'm supposed to know. I'll be on nightcap. Every time a tie-in break a record, who record they sit in there? The most 150-yard games. The most lost this, the most that. Every Sunday in the NFL,

season on the tight end does something who name is up there when they have them names he just passed this one who name is also up there ohcho oh cho oh joe don't worry about ocho hey chat all i try to do i try to you know try to go back and forward but ocho you know Ocho was like, hey. We did go back and forth. That was a good one, though. No, you're laughing.

I'm saying, I'm for real. That was a good one. I don't. That was a good one. Joe cry. We got to start to talk about what happened. Not only yesterday, last night, Ocho, you and I were at Lambo Field for the first round of the draft. But today, rounds two and three has passed.

and Jorda Sanders hasn't been selected. 102 picks, five quarterback selected. Cam Ward went number one overall. No surprise there. We knew that once he had his workout. They canceled all other official visits. That told me everything I needed to know. Boom.

Now, Jackson Dart, Tyler Shuck, Jaila Murrow, Dylan Gabriel. Now, for context, I want to provide. context of Ocho, because that's what we like to do here. Daniel Jeremiah has Shadour, the second-ranked quarterback, four days ago. Cam Ward was the eighth overall best player. Shadour was the 20th best overall player.

Jackson Dart, the 36th overall best player. Tyler Shuck, 75th overall best player. Jalen Milro, 86, Dillon Gabriel, 148. Mel Kuiper, Jr., the guru, just four days ago, had Shudor. ranked over Cam Ward. He had Chatur as the fifth best player. Cam Ward is the sixth best player.

Jackson Dart at the 28th, the best player, Tyler Shook 46. Pro football focus had him second behind Cam Ward just yesterday morning. But we saw today Cam Ward, uh, Cam Ward went first.

The Giants traded back into the first round on show to take Jackson Dart at 25th. Tyler Shook went 40 to the Saints, and we thought there, Shadour could possibly be nine, go nine to the Saints, there. Nope, they take Tyler Shook. Jalen Milro, 92nd overall to the Seattle Seahawks, and Dylan Gabriel, 94th to the Browns.

Now, we were talking about, well, Shadour arm, you know, you're outside in Cleveland. Nah, not, not, not. Not, not. Don't start that shit. Nope, no, no, no. No, I'm just, I'm brought to contact. Give me a second, give me a second,

Baltimore outside, Pittsburgh outside, Cincinnati, Cleveland. I don't see what Dylan Gabriel arm is any stronger than should doers. I could be wrong. I could be. I could be. But I don't know. And I know I'm going to turn it over to you, Ocho, because I know Joe got questions. I'm going to turn over to you.

I'm going to say this before I do, Ocho. In all my years that I go back to like really following the draft and understanding where players are going, getting drafted back in 87. In almost 40 years, I've never seen anything like this. I've never seen nothing like this myself. Obviously, I only played a short time, but I've been around long enough to know. Obviously, the year that the 11, 12 years I did play,

and all the time I've been retired and enjoying the game and watching it from afar and understanding how good players are, regardless of what scouts may say, the eye in the sky doesn't lie. I watch the door play from high school to college in Jackson State to Woody. was able to do at Colorado. I want everybody to understand that you're never bigger

than the program, you'll never be bigger than the program no matter who you are and they will show you. They will always remind you at any given time if at any point you think you are bigger than the program and that is all we see, that's all we're seeing right now. Joe, that is all we are seeing right now, regards to who you are. There's some things I think Prime might have said,

said, I don't want to quote it, but he would, he, where he said it's similar to. There's some places I don't want to go. We're not going to go. What Archie Manning said when it came to Eli. Same thing. No different. Anyway, I got something that they, I really want to read.

Chad, I want you to listen to me real quick. I'm not here to stir up. I'm happy for everybody that got drafted. I want you to listen to something that was sent, that was sent to me on Instagram. Chat, y'all stay with me real quick and just listen to me very, very closely. What we are witnessing once again is the machinery of a system that is never quite known what to do with a free black man, much less than a free black family. The NFL with all this

pageantry and power find itself uncomfortable, even threatened when it likes to the Sanders family walk into a room, not asking for a seat at the table, but daring to bring their own. Deion this family has refused to shrink to fit the confines laid out for them. And so the machine does what it has always done. It seeks to diminish, to distort, to remind them and us that there are still a place for black folk and is not at the head of the table. But the tragedy, you see, is not in their refusal to bow, but is in the nation's fear of black excellence, unchained.

The fear that has always been the real danger, not the power of our stride, but the shadow we cast when we stand upright, unafraid, and unapologetically ourselves. Yeah, I was talking to my sister. She said, well, you thanks, your door. I said, Libby, I'm going to be honest with you. If he don't go in the second round, I think he might slide out of the third. It's all the game

It's all a game Oh Joe Your draft Your draft story My brother's draft story Was a lot different than mine My brother didn't have to wait long First round seventh pick

Boom he gone On the plane On the plane to Green Bay Boom You second round Hey hold With red flags With character issues

School to school bounce from over and over. Why did he go here? Why did he go here? Um, bad. Still, second round. We're taking a chance on him. There ain't no off the field issues with Shador.

No issues, no nothing. Oh, he's arrogant. Oh, he's, good, great. I have a question. What was Johnny, what was Johnny Mansell? Cock. Oh, give you one better. Baker Mayfield.

What was Baker Mayfield? Okay, now, now what I will say, when it comes to college and you watch film, that motherfucker, I'm sorry, Johnny Manzale and Baker Mayfield, boy, they played what they were absolutely awesome. Yes. But again, you can't take away what Shadoer was able to do at a Denver Colorado team that won one game.

They come back the next year with Shadoor and win four. And I'm not sure what they were five. And then the next year I think they went nine. Yeah. I heard, what did I hear, Ocho? I heard someone says that his confidence doesn't matter. match his game. So in other words, he does a lot of talking and his game is not indicative of the type of bavado. What?

Hey, okay, Ocho. So, yeah, question is, do y'all even think he'll get drafted at this point? I mean, what we do? We do three rounds already. Oh, Lord, have mercy, Joe. I mean, that's what I started thinking about. I'm like, hold on. I'm only watching, I'm trying to see two get drafted. I'm like, I'm hoping, I'm hoping, I'm hoping he goes in the fourth round. Yeah. Because here's, Ocho, okay, let me ask you this. Teams that needed a quarterback, what did they do? They take a quarterback in the second or the third round.

Well, if you already took a quarterback in the second or third round, what's the likelihood you taking a quarterback in the fourth, fifth, six, or seventh round? Right. So now you tell you telling me the people that you did pick in the second and third round, you feel they're better in this door. So at what point does you come on a team As I'm not even going to mention anything about free agency What if they prove a point in making way to the seven

What what point are they trying to prove especially at this point Joe? I've never I've never ever See anything like this no I'm not talking about black and white I'm gonna I ain't talked about none of that I'm talking about based on what I've seen on film with my own eyes Based on the other quarterbacks compared the other quarterbacks I'm not outside of Cam Ward, what are we looking at? I'm not a scout. I'm not a GM, but I do have common sense and I do understand and know the game.

You're not telling me everybody that has drafted before him. What are we talking about? Again, I'm happy for everybody that got drafted. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. I'm just saying we're not trying to, we're not trying to diminish anybody. We're trying to make light up. We're trying to make sense of what we're seeing we should do. Because I think the thing is what was,

Ocho, if there is an injury that we didn't know about, we saw Will Howard, the cornerback out of what you call him. He had a propensity when they gave him the scan. They say he has a high risk for knee injury. So he slid down. Okay, if there's a red flag that we don't know about. But I don't, the guy got great. He was on, I think the honor roll.

I think he had a great GPA. He's never been in trouble. The numbers speak for themselves. So for me to see a guy rated this high with no issues, that's what's puzzling. Like I said, Ocho, you and I don't know, excuse me, what those 32 teams and how they view him. You know, they say beauty is in the eye of the beholder. You think that's good? I don't think that bad.

You like red, I like black. You like this, I like that. So I don't know, I don't know, based on the rankings of all these people that get, paid to do this. And it's their opinion. It's subjective. But nobody, I don't think anybody really has your door. Pat, Cam Ward's, like Mel Kuiper has your door one as far as quarterback. Most everybody had him too behind Cam Ward. But to see this precipitous fall, this precipitous drop. And guys, I mean, some guys had Dylan Gabriel, where they had him rank, the 148, best player, Mill Road, the 86 best player, Tyler Shilk, 75th.

Shadour almost never got past the 20th best player in the draft. He was 20th on some people's board. He was the fifth best player on some people's board. And he's a day three possible. Well, that's it is day three. So you get one, two, and then you go, you know, rounds four through seven. Listen, I've never seen, I've never seen collusion like this. before ever i've never i've never seen it and and you know what it is let's call a spade a spade

for those that are watching for those that in the chat i'm not saying there's anything wrong with those that were drafted before him i'm just saying based on my knowledge of the game and understanding of football and what i've watched throughout the years especially from that specific position now the only thing i can say the only rare flag for them it's his approach to the game and his confidence i'm assuming that they don't like that but how do you not want a player to feel the way he feels. How do you not want a player that believes in himself and his skill set and what he's done and worked his ass off to get to? That could be the only thing, but that can't be a bad thing because there have been other players that have come before him that approach the same game

with that same demeanor and same attitude and belief similar to him. So to me, it really makes no sense, but again, nothing. And they will always time and time remind us in certain instances that you will never be bigger than the machine or the program. And that's all this. That's all to come down to. And it could be a good thing for him, too. You know what I mean? If he do get an opportunity, you know, he carried that chip on his shoulder, man.

You know what I mean? For all the doubters, the naysayers, the people who didn't believe in them, the teams who continue to pass up on him. You know what I mean? You use that fire and desire when you touch the field, bro. You know, you let them know what's up. So, I don't know.

It could be a blessing in the sky. Yeah. But if people that were Tom Brady, he went in the sixth round, but Tom Brady wasn't as rated as high as your door. Tom Brady was a backup, basically, his whole career, except the last six, seven games of his senior season. Right, right. So that's the different. And like I said, Tom Brady turned out to be what Tom Brady turned out to be.

I had a very similar story to Shadour because people like, well, if he was that good, why didn't he go to a D1 school? Well, with my grades, I couldn't, I couldn't, I couldn't have got into juco. Only place I could get into, because there was no, there was no, you know, you didn't have to have the same standardized testing grade to get into a division two school as you did a division one because my year old show 1986 it would have it that was the first year of prop 48 yeah so you had to make 700 remember i told you my credit score by foe yeah i was also my SAT score by fault that it gives you a hundred to put your name on the thing i don't know i'm I didn't do what I said,

Joe, Joe, I might have left to E-R. I might have left E-R for my own name. I'm not sure. I'm not sure, Joe. Hey, don't hold me to that now. Don't hold me. I'm laughing with you because I was a prop 40. When I went to college, too, I didn't have my A-C-D for. And, you know, it was challenging, bro. You know, I went to ATT. We didn't take the SAT.

We took the A-C-T. And you know, back then, Ocho, you know, I played a game that, I played a game that Friday night. And then I, my sister drive me to Georgia. Yeah, my sister drive me to Georgia. Southern to take that test. It's a man, they're passing out of the test, and I'm looking at all those students, they're writing.

I'm just sitting there like, I don't know nothing on here. Listen, you know, it's funny. Listen, I ain't even got no business laughing. I don't even have no business laughing because you got to understand. I had my red flags and my character issues going to the league because of my reason for bouncing around from school to school. You got to understand. I can graduate from BTI.

Hell, I didn't even graduate from goddamn high school on time. McRaeber so bad. Listen, Joe, Joe, don't laugh, Joe. I swear to God, listen, we family. We family, we can talk, man. We can talk. I got you. I got you.

My dream was I wanted to go to FAMU. So I'm coming out of high school. My grandma said, Mama, I want to go down to FAMU right down to Tallahassee. My grandma say, listen, baby, it ain't looking good for you. It's not looking good for you. I'm going to give you options on where you might be able to go, but it definitely ain't able to be FAMU. I ended up at Lanksy University.

NIA school, obviously, I'm sure we have some people in the chat from from Oklahoma, ended up at Lane's University. Get there the first semester. I get thrown out for fighting, Joe. I get thrown out for fighting. Man, I never forget, rest is sold. Dr. Ernest Holloway, rest in peace. Ship me back to Miami.

I come to my grandma. I told my grandma what happened. Look, you know, my roommate, I think my roommate stole my pale grand money. My grandma say, listen, baby, I've done all I can with you. I wash my hands. I got to see you. I got a senior to your mom out there in L.A.

Let me see what she could do with you. That's how I ended up at Santa Monica College. 1997 with Steve Smith. Boom. That's two years down. So I played with Steve that first year. Long behold, here I go again. Not going to class.

I'm thinking, you know what my skill set is going to give me through the dough. Man, the people don't play that. They don't play that out there in Santa Monica? Oh, no. Hey, Joe, I'm in eligible the third year. So I got to sit out the third year. So that's three years down. I'm at Southwest doing classes.

I'm at West L.A. doing classes, and I'm doing classes at San Monica just to get my grades together so I could play in 1999. That's four years. I go out there, I get my stuff together. I have one-for-one scholarship. I had two schools offer me a full ride, one-for-one. San Diego State Aztex and Coach Dennis Erickson, he was at Oregon State. Man, I, Joe, I squeezed through the crack.

I got the Oregon State, man. All I needed, Joe. just needed to be on the big stage. That's to show them folks I could play football. That's it. Once I got to Oregon State, man, I play. I was there four months. I ain't go to NAN class.

I ain't go to no classes. You already know what it was. It's my last shot. My singular focus was straight football. Hey, Joe, I showed out in Oregon State that little four months I had. And I got drafted in the second round, despite all my issues and all my troubles, all my off-the-field stuff,

I haven't looked much since. They asked me, they say, well, Shannon, you're grades, what the rest of them? I say, these ain't looking too good and the ones that come in tomorrow ain't going to look much better. I don't know what y'all.

Oh, Joe, I don't know what y'all hoping for. This is all I got for you. Hey, listen, my freshman year, hey, look, my freshman year in college, Ojo, I got out of Pratt 48, so I couldn't play the first semester. Right. As a freshman, I can go to the games.

I got to sit in the stands. I got to watch the dude. I got to watch my homies grind out there. You know what I mean? I can't compete. I'm like, so it built up a fire in me. So when I did get eligible, I just took it out on everybody in the SEC. Right.

You know what I mean? So, yeah, you're supposed to. Sometimes when things get delayed a little bit, you know, you can must up some fire to continue. You can must up some fire that when you get out there, you can let them know what's up. You know what I mean? Yeah, for sure. That's why when it goes back to shit door, man. you know, wherever he goes, bro, I'm sure he'll be happy.

And hopefully he wore that chip, man. He let him know what's up, you know, put, put, get back in that, get back in their lab. You're absolutely right. And the funny thing about it, too, Unk, wherever Shadur come, wherever he goes, I love the saying, it's not where you get drafted, it's what you do once you get there. And I understand the competitor, I understand the competitor that he is. And wherever he goes, whoever, and wherever, he goes, if it's a team that doesn't have one of the elite superstar quarterbacks,

his competitive nature is going to kick in, and there's a chance that he can't beat those quarterbacks out, despite whatever odds or collusion they have against dad, when he gets a chance, he's going to show him. I know that. Just the competitor in him, he's not going to hold his head. He's not going to let it down. He just wants that opportunity. He just wants that opportunity. And once they open that door, and he closed it behind him, after they playing the game

they played these past two days, man, child, please. Man. Yeah. Like I said, Ocho, I went through something very similar. And I just remember having a conversation with my brother who came in there that night when I didn't go in the first three rounds. And I say, man, I say,

I say Spank. I went to the East West Shrine game. I went to the blue gray. I went to the combine. I say, man, them guys that they drafted ain't better than me. I say, they're not better than me, Spank. I say, I saw up. I see all of them. I said, I went to the East West Shrine game and I was the best receiver there.

I said, I would, I say, I said, all I want is an opportunity. Give me a, give me a helmet and some shoulder pads. And, hey, whoever comes, hey, I'm going to throw all y'all ass in the water. Whoever swim back to shore, that's who get it. Yeah, I like that. That's it. And what about the reports? What about the course?

Now, this has happened. Multiple players have done this. He didn't throw at the combine. Yeah, but he threw, but he threw at his pro day. Yeah, there have been a lot of guys that don't throw because I want to throw the guys that's familiar with me. I'm familiar with them. Because it's not like they're going to bring a guy in on a Sunday

and he hadn't thrown to those guys. So I want to, you know, hey, I want to see how my guys run routes. They know how I throw the ball. Boom. It's a perfect marriage because I want everybody to look good and possibly, Ocho, there might be some guys if I don't throw on my pro day, if I don't throw, guess what?

The scouts are not going to come to see them because everybody's not going to be a first or second round pick. Might be some guys get picked up as a free agent. So I want to cast them any good light. Yeah. I just look, it's tough and nothing. When you're going through something, yeah, people are you going to be all right.

At this point, at that point in time, Ocho you ain't really trying to hear that because you can't see. All I can see was what's in front of me. Because it takes a special type of a person to see beyond their circumstances. All I can see is right here. No.

Not where I wish to be, not where I'm going to be. Because that's why a lot of people make decisions based on where they are currently, not where they wish to be. It's tough, it's tough. And I heard what you said, and like I said, I heard people say, well,

I mean, he really, extremely confidence, but his game doesn't match the confidence. Coach Prime, whatever, look, and I don't know if anybody that's selected now was even in the NFL or selected or in a position when Prime was there.

So I don't know how, I wouldn't, you know, Guys, I don't, I don't want to make this. Teams, go, oh, Cho, you and I played this game. We've covered this game and we've been around this game a long time. These teams are going to do it the hell they want to do. Now, they're not told y'all, y'all they're going to make a have this guy, a quarterback or this guy as a coach, we going to do what the elf we want to do.

Right. They're going to select who they want to select who they, and they believe that, hey, we believe the guy, and they'll tell you, we believe Dylan Brooks. is better than Shudor. We believe Jackson Dark, we believe Shook, we believe Milro, we believe their upside is better than Shudor.

How do we, how do we prove that it's not? I mean, Dillon Gabriel did throw for, had like 150, I mean, he got what, 16, 17,000 yards. He got 130, 140 plus test out. I don't know, but I'm just saying. It's, I just, I don't know what, I, chat, I'm at a loss. I normally would be able to have, give you a good, uh, give you a good excuse or good reason.

I don't like to use the word excuse. I would like to give you a reason why I think a person or a player sled. I have some intel red flag, even though I wouldn't tell you exactly, but I would, you know, hint around and then I let you deduce it for yourself. But y'all don't got nothing. I don't got nothing. It's not about grades. He doesn't have a pre-existing condition.

He doesn't have, oh, the character issue that he has, he's extremely confident. He believes in himself, which is I think that one of the most important things you can have as an athlete is confidence, a belief in you. Because if you don't believe in you, who the hell else will, Joe? Yeah. Nobody. You always got to believe in yourself, man, utmost. All those days when I was training alone, wasn't nobody there. no coaches saw it, no other players.

I did this. I believed in me. I believe that I was prepared for something greater. Even though the circumstances that I was in currently, look, I mean, it should tell you something. Yes, his dad gave him great opportunity, great coaches. He was with Brady and he had a throwing coach, whatever the case may be. Isn't that what parents supposed to do?

Put their kids in the best situation so they can succeed? So why would I, if I had the opportunity to put my kids, kids in a situation that I think will enhance them or help them to see, no, I'm not going to do that. I want you to get it out the mud like I did. What kind of sense does that make?

None at all. Man. Listen, listen, you don't need 2020 vision. Those in the chat, even if you don't likes your door, those in the chat, even if you don't like Prime. If you have common sense and you've been watching

and seeing what's going on, you know what it is at that at this point. You know exactly what it is. I mean, it doesn't need to be said. Even if you feel the players that have gotten drafted before, if you feel the players that have gotten drafted before, Shador at the quarterback position, even if you feel they are better, even if you do, you still know what it is. And if you don't, you just be in purposely, you purposely being naive based on a personal vendetta that you might have against, you know, the Sanders family. This has never, ever, ever, ever, ever been done.

No, I've never seen it. And people saying he's not good and he can't play at the next level. Like, like stop, man, stop. You know, quarterback is one of the hardest positions to find, which is why some teams haven't had success in eons. But all of a sudden, he, come on now, come on. Shoulder even got prank called by someone pretending to be from an NFL team and said, have to wait a little longer.

Man, whoever did this, man, y'all, y'all, y'all some clowns, bro. I don't find it. I don't even know why you, I don't even know why you would do that. I mean, at that moment, guys on edge and you're just hoping that you get a call. I mean, that's, I mean, that's the call you're really hoping that you get.

Obviously, you want to get it as early as you possibly can, but just, and then somebody playing on the phone. Really, guys? Come on, man. Sean Payne says he's very surprised your door hasn't been drafted yet. There'll be this chip on his shoulder. There'll be this chip on his shoulder.

And beware, because this guy is going to play in this league. Shador's in good spirits after not getting drafted in day two. God don't make mistakes. I got faith in God no matter what. Yeah. Damn, that's crazy. Check this out. Tyler Shook was Justin Herbert's backup.

He's eight days older than Trevor Lawrence. Was a freshman at Oregon with Bobo. He turns 26th when the, the seasons start, and he's had three seasons that ended an injury. So now you talk about, oh, you remember, I said, does he have an injury history? Does he have red flags that we don't know about? Right. Here's a guy that's about to be 26, had seasons in three different occasions with an injury.

All that's, I, all I'm saying, y'all chat, take and do with that, whatever you like. I think it's right. I think we have to, Ocho and I, when we talk sports and we talk, we have to give you context. He says, okay, this guy went here. Because I'm trying to explain. Well, Shanna, maybe he has a pre-existing condition. Maybe he's a, there's a character issue off the field.

Maybe he has some kind of a problem. We don't know. But we know one guy is about to be 26. I don't know about you, Ocho, but when I got drafted, I was 22. True. I don't, I don't even know how old I was. I was 22.

As a matter of fact, I got drafted in April. I was 21 when I got drafted. I turned 22 in June. This guy's about to turn 26. It's, there's nothing we can do. We can just talk about it and then Hope Shador makes the best of it. Joe, let me ask you this.

What do you think, what's the equivalent of something like this happening in the NBA? Do you know a player that was rated extremely high and not only did he fall out of the supposed to be a lottery pick, maybe a top five lottery pick, slid all the way out of the first round, slid all the way out of the second round because they only have two rounds in the NBA

and ended up having to become an NBA free agent. The one person I can really remember is probably Rashad Lewis, him sitting in the green room because you know that's the draft and I think he was probably the last one in the green room and I think he thought he was going lottery and I think he ended up going in the second round.

Okay. Yeah, that's tough, bro. Like, I couldn't imagine that. Like, it's already anxiety, you know, from being in there. They told me I was going to be a top 10 pick, Anken Ocho. So I was invited to the green room. I'm sitting in there, look, even though, you know, people are made promises and all that. But I'm like, man, you never know, bro. You know what I mean?

So, but it was definitely a surreal feeling, you know, getting drafted, getting a chance to shake David Stern's hand. Just a memorable moment for me. Man, I remember it like it was yesterday, bro. But, yeah, outside of Rashad, I don't really know nobody who's kind of got left back there like that, but there's got to be a tough feeling, you know what I mean? And look, Rashad had a great career from that, bro.

He probably still wears that chip on his shoulders to this day. You're probably right. When you look at, I mean, Thurman Thomas, Thurman Thomas ended up falling asleep. He thought he was going to be a first round pick. He goes in the second round. Thurmond's in the Hall of Fame. He won the MVP in, I think, 91.

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