Nightcap - BEST OF 2025 Part 2: Ocho vs Cam'ron, Shedeur Sanders FALLS to the Browns

Episode Date: December 25, 2025

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson break down the Biggest Stories of 2025 on Nightcap! Unc and Ocho react to the shocking NFL Draft saga as Shedeur Sanders gets passed over, sparking outrage and debate across the league. Ocho responds to Cam’ron’s viral comments, then dive into one of the year’s biggest bombshells as Chauncey Billups and Terry Rozier are arrested by the FBI in a massive gambling investigation that has the sports world stunned. Subscribe to Nightcap presented by PrizePicks so you don’t miss out on any new drops! Download the PrizePicks app today and use code SHANNON to get $50 in lineups after you play your first $5 lineup! Visit https://prizepicks.onelink.me/LME0/NI... 0:00 - Chad Johnson responds to Cam'ron12:51 - Unc & Ocho react to Shedeur Sanders BALLING OUT in Browns preseason debut38:26 - Chauncey Billups & Terry Rozier ARRESTED in FBI Gambling Investigation (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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podcast. Wasabi Hot Cloud Storage. Store more and do more with your data. Try them for free at wasabi.com. Yeah. Oh, Joe, before we get into our first topic, something happened yesterday, and you wanted an opportunity to respond, so the floor is yours. Oh, absolutely.

Listen, Cam, Cam has some stuff to say, and I had to think about it, and I had to listen to it and and think about some stuff that that was brought up from two years ago where I said Cam, you my man's and I'm coming for your spot. Now, I'm not sure how that's taking as hate when all you have to do is understand that I'm saying I'm coming for your spot because I see you as the standard that is setting the bar in that specific space. So you took that as an insult, which is weird to me. I'm not sure how you can do that. But if you check the If you check the numbers, what I said I was going to do, I've already done and surpass that in this specific space.

Now, he said, he asked me to come join them, you know, to do something with them. And I told him, you know, okay, you got to check with my people. You got to reach out to my people who, when it was time for me to work with you, what did I ask you to do? Um, reach out to who? I talked to Doug. You talked to Doug. So boom, we didn't, you know, like that.

Right. That's the way I handle business. You know, I don't run nothing through me. So I guess that was seen as a sign of disrespect because I chose to come over here with you. Boom. Okay. Now, we brought up the issue with he talking about money and bags

and how much you pay guest features, you know, how much we pay our guest features. Buddy, I ain't no guest feature. Well, I'm the main attraction. What is you talk about? I've always been the main attraction There's a difference In your lane

You do what you do I'm in completely different lanes And completely different rooms from you Despite me always playing around And joking It's different For one you wouldn't have been able to forward me To begin with

Let's start there And I'm not trying to be disrespectful I'm not trying to be disrespectful I'm not trying to be disrespectful I think because I do everything at entertainment fun laughing way you kind of forget and don't really understand what's being done over here and how special what we have is and that's no disrespect to them because i like they show i love it is

what it is because it's different than what we do their views they got some high ones but it's mainly about going at people and jigging at people you know over here it's about having fun entertaining and the stories. Completely different. Two different shows. I love them, though. Then, you know, Cam, he's a Harlem dude.

I've been to Harlem. My face is clean in Harlem. Most of the time, those that I know from Harlem, you know, they don't act like that. You're getting a little emotional for nothing, especially about stuff.

That ledger to happen two years ago. Two years. years ago, and it was a sign of respect because I see you as the standard of what it is to be the best at in this space. Right. Then the Stephen 8th, the Stephen 8 thing, you talk about weird and I don't like you, don't like my vibes. Listen, for one, the whole world, no, I'm joking and trolling. It's a funny story that wasn't even true to begin with, and you took that serious. So then, now you're getting personal with the words and the talking.

post my location where I'm at every day. What do you tell me to stop doing? Stop catching rides from the airport, right? Yep. Everybody know where I am every single day, no matter what city I travel to. I'm outside all the time. If it was really an issue or you really didn't like me and it was a problem, I'm easy to find, especially in Miami.

If I'm not mistaken, you'd be here. Y'all film here if I'm not mistaken. I show everybody respect, I show everybody love. What's one problem that you've always gotten on me about doing a show like this? I don't do enough what? When it comes to talk about players. Yeah, you don't critique enough. I don't critique enough because I'm always showing love.

I'm always showing respect no matter what. I never get out of line with nobody. Right. But the words that were displayed is if it's a personal issue. now if it's a personal issue which I've never had with anybody because I always show everybody love and respect I'm easy to find because I'm

outside always in Harlem too that's your stomping grounds right I'd be at Ricardo's all the time matter of fact I'm going to be in New York Monday and I'm going to be at Ricardo's

at 5 o'clock to be exact but it's always always love no never disrespect and that's it's it and i love you and i love and i love you unless you want to go another route the way i look at it oh jo i think you explained too much you did what you did uh you don't you're not you don't represent yourself most people that's why you hire representation. If you didn't want representation, you could have done it on yourself. And yeah, you could save three, five, 10 percent. But you chose to have a representative that funnels everything through. I reached out to Doug because I knew Doug was your representative.

I didn't reach out to you first. I reached out to Doug. I said, hey, man, what's up with Ocho? I want to run something by Ocho. Funny, Ocho in town. Hey, can we meet at the Palm and such and such and such a time? You showed up. I made the pitch to you. You say, Uncle, I'm good. I said, well, let's, don't worry about the money. I trust you. So that was, that's how we handle that. I don't, like I said, look, I, people like, man, you don't, I say, bro, y'all got to know what Ocho serious and y'all got to know what Ocho joking.

Y'all don't seem to know which is which. So that's on y'all. I know when he's joking. I know when he's being serious. But for me, Ocho, and we had this conversation, and you hit me up yesterday, I say, for me, I've just let it rock. I felt just then you explained too much. Yeah, yeah, yeah, listen, sometimes, you got, sometimes you got, you got the clear the air, right? You got the, you got to clear the air, because then you have an issue, right? Well, he could have called you, oh, Joe.

If that was the case, if he had an issue with you, he could have reached out the phone and he could have called you. That's how I know it wasn't an issue. It wasn't no issue for real. You have a show to do. You have a, he has a show to do. He has a show to do. I understand that. I understand that.

But the disrespect, you don't have. have to like me. I don't care about that part. Get in line. It's a lot of them. Right. But the disrespect like that, and then you've got the wrong people hearing it,

and it's ruffling feathers, it really shouldn't be ruffling, because I don't move like that. Never have. But anyway, and then, hold on. Oh, and this is another thing. What? Hold on.

Didn't talk about the money and the pocket watching. I do, I have a question. Do they understand how many jobs I have? I'm just curious. I got 50-11 jobs. Then you being slick at the mouth, talk about if you need a job, I ain't hiring no more.

This is me. What is you talk? What are we talking about? There's levels to everything. You in one lane. I got about 1511 of them. There's a difference. difference, but because I play around and have fun with it, for some reason you think we're on

the same level. It ain't never been that. Even when you was in your prime, there's the difference. I wouldn't, I'm humble. Well, see, no, no, I am glad. But see, when everybody was coming from, oh, you like, oh, baby, I tried to tell you. Then we don't come for you. What did I tell you?

What did I tell you? I was your enforcer, right? I just let that issue go. I said I was your enforcer. I'm not saying anything wrong. I'm just addressing what was addressed towards me in a respectful way, in a respectful way still. Right.

As a small reminder. For me, Ocho, the reason why I stopped and I said I'm not going back and forth with nobody and there have been a couple of guys still taking shots, they got too much money at stake. Oh, yeah. Oh, hey. Say it again a more time. It's too much money at stake. Too much money at stake. And there's Master Pete and Gilly say, boy, say, if you ain't careful, they'll trick you out your spot.

They're not going to get me out this spot. No, no. That ain't even happen because that ain't going to happen. So I wish, hey, whatever issue y'all may or may not have, I don't know, I don't know anything about this. All I know is that Ocho, you and I, hey, we do nightcap, we do what we do, and we keep it moving. We don't talk about anybody else on their podcast, no matter what they say about us or matter what they do, whatever their numbers are, whatever their views, whatever they downloads, whatever advertising or sponsorship they have, congratulations. Because what I know, 80% of the money that's in circulation was printed in 2020 moving forward. So guess what? If the government runs out of money, they'll print more.

There's enough for everybody that choose to do this. yeah, nightcap, all the smoke, the pivot, it is what it is, whoever, a podcast, P, whoever have a podcast, there ain't no reason for us to be beefing. Joe Rogan ain't beefing with Call or Daddy. They're not beefing with Caleb. They're not beefing with Theo Vaughn.

I don't know why we got issues. I know, listen, we don't have no issues, but why we got to address it. Listen, you, listen. This is what you have to. Call you. Wait, listen to me. This is what you got.

It's what you got to do. You know, if somebody, if somebody says something, then it's our right to respond. It is. And listen to me, let me finish now in a respectful way. In a respectful way, there's a misunderstanding because, for one, like I said, what was said to that tweet out two years ago,

it was a sign of respect. Boy, I'm coming for your spot because I see you as that boy. You should have dressed it then. Why address it now? Because it's good. It's good. It's not a bad thing, huh? You know?

But again, I always show love and respect to everybody. Always. Now, you don't have to like me, but you will respect me. And if there is an issue, I post everywhere I'm at and will never change that.

Everywhere. Well, can we move on now because I think we've given them 17 minutes too much of our time? Oh, wait a minute. That's what it's about. It's what this is about. It is what it is

You know We love what they do I love what they do You feel me It's a funny show Them boys funny You know We got our own

We got our own thing We do our thing In our lane Like you say It's enough room for everybody We need to let nobody Trick us out our spot Especially by that money

Because I got Fiftylem kids to raise And I got a goddamn new house I got to decorate now we'll be at we good huh we good we're done with this topic

we done with this so chat don't jump in there and something like did you see what he said I don't care they can talk about me all they want to hey I don't Ocho hopefully Ocho is done with this

they come to say he said what he said Ocho responded hopefully we can move on but for me I ain't got no issue with nobody I'm like I said I refuse to to go back and forth I don't see a really a need to whether or not they like us or like me or dislike Ocho or whatever the case may be

I wish you guys nothing but the best but I do know there's enough room for everybody to get to get a piece of this pie and so that's the way I'm going to approach it so I wish you guys the best hold on hold on come on with that humble shit there's enough room for everybody to get a piece of the pie but you know who's going to get the bigger piece

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Two TDs, you know Coach Prime was fired up. Time, yes, Lord, yes, Shadour Sanders. Oh, yeah, what now? Coach Prime, God is good. good. Shout out to Cocoa Butter brother for sending us this video. LeBron James even weighed in. That young King looking good out there. Shador Sanders, keep going up, head down and grind and head high to the most high. And head

high to the most high. Jordan Shultz, text from a high-ranking AFC North Executive on the Brown's rookie. Shador Sanders, it's early, but wow, actually shocked how good he looks. Nike Football, when you get your art create the next one. Only matter of time. Yeah. Ocho.

Yeah. We could, look, we could pick two plays, Ocho. Well, damn, he missed the Sam Strong safety blitz. Well, he had a guy ride over to the flat on second and 18, and he skipped the ball to him. But you saw that over route that Brock Purdy throws so well in the San Francisco offense. You see him fit the ball into those small windows. Did you see him on the move throw that touch pass? Now, the receiver made a great one-handed catch,

but did you see the touch? Yes. So take off your head. Listen, I wanted to see what should do it would look like in a situation that wasn't advantageous to him. He didn't get any reps, as many reps as he should, to prepare himself, to be prepared for a game like this of this magnitude, Dylan Brooks Hurd.

Can you pick it hurt? Joe Flacco not playing. So the card that he was dealt to go, to this game. Can you be a leader of men? Can you go in? Calm. Show a presence of leadership. Run the team. Command the team. Show that regardless of who's around you, you can still conduct yourself like quarterback one. He was calm under pressure, went through his progressions, made some great throws, had some errand throws. You know, obviously that's what we're was for. That's what the precinct is for.

The fix, the nooks and the crannies, to get him out. He looked like he belonged, huh? He looked different. He did. Andrew Barry, you made the right call. There's a reason that you wanted him.

There's no reason he should have dropped as far as he did. You cannot tell me, as any scout of those 32 teams that didn't need a starting quarterback for those that needed a quarterback. And were in need of one, watch film, on Sodor Sanders

and what he did at Jackson State and we did at Colorado and said, you know what? No, that's not my guy. The quote you just read from the scout in the AFC North, if you watch film, what did you expect him to look like?

He looked exactly like he looked in Colorado. He looked exactly like he looked at Jackson State. Calm under pressure. In the pocket. Going to progressions. Making the right throws. That's what they expected to see. What they expected to see and what some hope to see might be two entirely different things.

Talk to me, then. Now, hope, man, I show hope, man. I show hope this happens, man. Versus expect to see what I wanted to see. I wanted to see exactly what you wanted to see. I want to see could he play with poise? could he throw the ball with conviction? Could he be decisive?

Could he go through his progressions? The pocket collapses. Could he take off? He showed me some of everything. The over-rout, threw it on timing. Guy in his face, led him, boom, drop me right in the bucket. He fit those balls, hey, pressure in his face, the second touchdown. Pressure at his face, the first touchdown.

The corner slumps off, the flat. The safety is hugging him. He fits it in. Gets it in. Boom. On the move. The touch passed over the top. As I mentioned at the top, the receiver did make a great play.

But Chador had a nice loft. That's not an easy throw to make. He was impressive tonight. Very. And a lot of people, they were in the chat last night. Let's see what Chador does. Let's see what Shadour does. Well.

Hold on, you know what they're going to say now. Oh, it's the preseason. Oh, he's not playing against their starters. Oh, he's playing against the shooters. Hell, he didn't have the starters either. Well, hello? Talk to me. I don't see Jared Judy.

I didn't see in Joku. I didn't see the starting off his line. No, Seder Tielman. So this is what I have to say to those who are going to have another excuse. They're going to move the goalpost, right? They're going to move the goalpost and say, well, he wasn't going against the Panthers starters. Well, obviously, if he's not going against the Panthers starters, or if he doesn't have his starters as well,

and when he has at a disposal and look that good with the twos and threes and maybe the fours that are trying to make the team, what do you think is going to happen when he has the main characters in there around him? Right. that makes your job a little bit easier that are a little bit better at their position than those that he's playing with tonight. What do you think going to happen?

Well, they can try to move the goal post, but I ain't trying to kick a field goal or PAT, so I'm going to score anyway and should do a Sanders score tonight. I'm going to give credit where it's due, 14 to 23, 138 yards, two touchdowns, no interception. He got two sacks.

Like I said, we can nitpick a couple of things. Yeah, the Sam Strong Safety Blitz. The problem, like, you know what, but it looked like he was telling, guy, bro, I need you to hook up on that. You're probably not going to be able to outrun the safety. Lamar Jackson, hold on to the ball a little longer because he could outrun the safety. Josh Allen, same thing.

That's not Shadoor. Shadour is not a mobile quarterback. He's going to do all most, the majority of his damage is going to be in the pocket. Oh, Joe. Right. I'm not saying he's Tom Brady, but he has the athleticism. That's not what he's known for. Go ahead, Coach.

This is the thing. What he lacks in athleticism and inability to, get out the pocket he has great pocket presence on being being able to move and being able to not telegraph but understand when that clock is ticking and when it's time to get

up out of there right he can move extremely well within the pocket without having to take sacks what about the third down huh the third down we scrambled the D-line ran a stunt he was able to get outside of it I like you know what I like the most

he saw the stunt and took off immediately Yes, yes That's what I like, Ocho That's what I like Oh, y'all I don't know who's supposed to go first And who's supposed to, I don't know who's supposed to E or who's supposed to T

and I don't know who's supposed to T Right, right, right, right. But I'll tell you what, I'm going. I'm going, yep. Yeah, y'all, I tell you what, y'all figured out in film study tomorrow. But in the meantime, I'm about to pick up this I'm about to pick up the first down.

He's played himself. He might have started after four, but after this performance, he can't be number four. Because here's the face, Ocho. How? It's impossible. He told us something very, very interesting. He says, you can lose your job because of injury.

Because let me tell you what's going to happen. Yeah. If you get injured and you're out and a guy comes in and he's playing better than you before you got injured is his job now. Ask yourself with Dylan Gabriel before he got hurt. Was he playing better than what you saw what you did? do or Sanders do tonight. Kenny Pickett, ask yourself this question.

Was he playing better than what should do or was than what should do or play tonight? Yeah. So if you're going to honestly ask us, answer those questions, okay. Right. And the thing about it, what people need to understand, for those that in the chat, it's one thing to have joint practices. It's one thing to practice against yourself and look good against your players. Yes.

Everything is scripted on. Everything is scripted, even defensively. in those joint practices at time because there's certain things they want to work on defensively and there's certain things that you want to work on offensively. When you get into the game,

nothing. Nothing is shared from team to team. No. So it's a green light and everything going as if it's a real game. You're working your scheme, your game plan,

and all you have to do is executed. In its simplest form, as simple as preseason games are from an offensive perspective in the way the players are called, and he did that tonight to a hell of a job, one hell of a job tonight. And this is just something to continue to build off of, clean up. There were some mistakes, obviously.

They're going to always be mistakes and things you can get better at. And as you continue to see different looks, you're not going to get many looks. Obviously, it's the preseason. Everything you see defensively will be very vanilla, you know, cover tool. Sometimes you might throw in, you know, man. Don't count the plays, Ocho. Make the plays count. Yeah.

Oh, and listen, he made him count. night on. That's what you have to do when you're a low round draft pick, Ocho. Me being a separate, no, bar. Being a low round drive pick, Ocho, you're not going to get the plays that a high round draft pick is going to get. No. So don't go out there thinking that.

But when is your time shine? Yes. You got to. When is your time shine. And that, hey, you say, I don't count time. I make time count. Well, I didn't count plays. And my brother used to say, hey, I know you didn't get that many reps.

Keep your head up. Because one day John Elway going to call for you. He going to look for you. You need to make sure you're ready. You need to make sure you're where you're supposed to be. Right. Shador didn't get a whole lot of reps. But when opportunity presents itself, that's what luck is.

It's when preparation meets opportunity. Amundsen said some call it luck. I'm glad you just said what you just said. You just said Shador didn't get as many reps as you should have in practice. But he got into a game and what did he do, huh? Right. But the refs that he did get in practice, he made those count. Because a lot of times, I've seen it.

I don't know if you've seen it, I've seen guys. Man, I ain't getting no burn, man. I can't. And then when you get out there, you effing up. He's fucking up. Yeah. My bad. Shador says, hey, these one or two reps I might get with the threes and fours.

Right. I got to make these counts. This has got to be my best worker today. Yeah. Because you know why, Ocho, it might be my only worker today. Yeah. So if it's my only, it's got to be my best because this is the only time they're going to see me on tape. They see me standing behind and, you know, hey, I'm being positive, a good throw, a good catch, good run, good job offensive line, good play call coach.

But at the end of the day, I need to get an opportunity to show you what I can do. And when the opportunity presents itself, that's what luck is, preparation meeting opportunity. Amundsen said some call it luck. Hey, hey, listen, I'm happy, I'm happy for young bull. I'm happy for young bull. This is one of the few times. I can't think of the last time that everyone was excited,

excited about wanting to watch a Cleveland Brown's game. Did you see all them people in the stands with the 12 and with the signs? Did you see all that, a Cleveland Brown's game? On the road. Cleveland don't travel like that.

Trust me. I was in the same division with the Jokers. And guess what? We used to play them. Mm-hmm. Same. Same. They didn't travel like that.

Yeah. And they ain't got no reason to travel could have been bad a long time yeah so listen tonight we saw a very small sample size we saw a very small samas size yes of what chador sanders can look like the fact that he played with the twos with threes maybe against twos and threes yeah sure i say i say this to say that what happens when he's with the ones having to run that same offense right and you and you guess what and you go and you game playing i'm just calling plays arbitrarily ocho that's it That's all they do tonight.

I'm not game planning. I'm not game planning because we normally game playing game three. Right. We go back and now the coaches go back and they look at what they did last season and we script a game plan that's going to be what we think we're going to see on first down, second down, third down, third and short, third and long, just down in distance area of the field. First and goal, second and go, third and goal.

Now we're calling plays, not just to arbitrarily call plays. We're calling plays with a purpose for a purpose. And eventually they're going to get to that. But I was impressed. Look, I understand it's the preseason. But for someone that didn't get as many reps, made the reps that he did get, he made them count in practice.

And when he got his opportunity, when an opportunity presented itself, he took full advantage. Tom Brady, the opportunity presented itself. Which is, hey, when the rubber meet the what? When the rubber meet the road, man. And so, he should, he should, he should,

be proud of himself, you know, him being who he is, raised how he was raised. You're supposed to say weird. I guess you raised livestock and animals. But anyway, being raised how he was raised, he's not going to be, he's not going to be, he's not going to get too high, Ocho, because guess what? Yeah. Even keel. Yeah.

You got to say even kill. You know why? Because not only you haven't to deal with the noise on the outside, that's one thing. But now you've got to deal with the noise on the inside, especially with the owner coming out just last week, saying that wasn't my pick. Yeah. That wasn't my pick.

That's not who I wanted. Thank you, Mr. Hemsb. How you doing, Mr. Havlund? Make sure Andrew Barry gets all the credit. Like you said, brother has him, don't smile. Don't even, don't say anything start with ass. He said. Don't he say, shh.

The adashies. Don't you say itch. The nerve, the gall. I'm appalled. Well, I'm a David. I'm going to say it one more time. And this is for everybody in the chat. Even if you don't like Shador, even if you don't like him, how do you watch film,

college film on Shador Sanders and every other quarterback that went before him and see what all of them have done and say, you know what, no, I'm a pass up with him. That's not the guy I want. Right. New Orleans Saints. Pittsburgh Steelers. I don't know what other teams that were in need of a quarterback,

how do you do it? I'm just asking from a person that played the game of football and understanding, I have an eye, I have an eye, I played the game for a very long time at a very high level.

I'm not saying I'm a scout, but I know what it's supposed to look like in situations that are not advantageous for you. I just saw a young fellow when a Jackson State turned a Colorado program around that won one game regardless of what his record was

in his totality, 23 and 12, whatever may have been, I know what he can do when you got the right pieces around him. I know what he can do. He's a winner regardless of what situation you put him in and he showed it again in the night,

yet again tonight. With his back up against the wall. Yeah. He just has the demeanor to be a quarterback. Nothing seems to impact him. He doesn't get too high. He doesn't get too low. He has the utmost confidence in himself.

And most quarter, most the good ones really do. No matter how bad. And we've seen it. No matter how bad it might be going, the really good ones, you know if it's laid the ball game, they got a chance to beat you. And Sodor is in the situation where it's like, doesn't make any excuses.

And he always says the right thing. Listen, it's not as easy as you think to always say the right thing because you're dealing with the human element of it. The human element of it. No matter how much you have, no matter how little you have, no matter how good you've been, no matter how bad you've been, you're dealing with the human element of it. And people have emotions, people have feelings. And so sometimes when people lash out and say things like, damn, man, you know, you take the amount of time. But he hears what's being written about him.

Absolutely. He's, he hears, he sees if he doesn't, he's getting work, it's getting back to him. But I just loved the way the man He kept his head down Closed off his ears And just did what he was supposed to do He went to work Yeah

And that's how you That's how you have to approach it Don't get mad I ain't trying to prove y'all wrong I'm trying to prove me right And in the process of proving me right I'll prove you wrong It was a great job

It was his first outing Like I said those throws It was the throw it wasn't so It was it was the throw that he made, Ocho. Go back and take a look at that overball. And we see Brock Purdy throw three or four those a game to IUke. He used to hit Debo on those plays.

You'll kiddle on the over. Look at how he threw that ball, the timing of it. Do you understand the anticipatory skills you have to have as a quarterback with pressure coming at you? There was one overthrow he couldn't even see. Yeah. Because on the replay, we couldn't even see him. We just saw the ball come out.

So he's anticipated where the receiver was going to be. And he just made the throw and put it only where the receiver could catch it. Yep. That first touchdown. When people saw tonight, I don't think they understand how difficult the game is. I don't think they understand how difficult the game is. But he made it look like he's been doing it for a very long time. It's his first time.

It's his first time in the NFL game. But he's used to it. Oh, chat. Look at his mannerisms. Look how he walk on the first down. He almost did the watch celebration. He said, you know what? I'm looking at the time, but it ain't time yet.

And just, John, just everything about him and being quarterback number one, just the way he carried itself. He was ready for the moment. No matter what they, no matter what they did, no matter what they said, just put me in a situation. Just hand me the cards.

Give me the hand. And I'm going to play it. And he did that just exactly how he should. the night. The hand he was dealt, he played the hand very well. And it's only going to get better from here. It doesn't go backwards. You don't, you don't digress. I'm excited. And this is coming from a Bengal fan at heart. I'm excited for the Browns to finally maybe have the answer at the court of that position at the trying 35 times over the years. You know, I, man, listen, man, I can go on and on about this, but go ahead.

you got it. I think the thing is the biggest thing in an athlete can have is the ability to believe that he belongs, he or she belongs. I was a seventh round draft pick. You do it was a five.

There was 12 rounds. When I was a seventh, there were seven rounds. He's a fifth. Yeah. But there is not one point in time that I didn't feel I belonged on that field.

Because I saw a lot of these guys at the bowl games. I saw these guys at Combine and I read about them. Yeah. And I remember calling my brother at the East West Shrine Gras. I said,

these dude not better than me. they're not better than me. I don't care what they say. Yeah. I remember going to the combat, man, I, you know, you know,

what you think you read? I say probably 4-6, four-seven. I say, but they're not better than me. They might be faster to me, but they're not better than me. I belong in the NFL.

And when I went to Denver, all those guys that went before me, I'm like, ain't no what. I remember asking myself, how in the hell did you get drafted before me? Yeah.

I said, but don't worry about it. Don't worry about it. I said, it won't be long. It won't be like the cat when a girl who said, boy, the cat got his tail caught in the washing machine. You know what he said, Ocho? He said, it won't be long now. He said, she didn't know what he was talking about.

His tail wouldn't be long anymore or it wouldn't be long for it all be over. Yes, so. Yeah, man. And when we put the pads on, Ocho, I'll never forget, because, you know, the rookies, we went to camp before the vet. So we would go like a couple of days before. the vet, so we would already be practicing.

Right. In Denver, before we headed up to Greeley. Right. I saw them. They was nervous, Ocho, like a long-tailed dog with a porch full of rocking chairs. You know, if somebody leaning back and they're going to talk about it. Ocho, you don't know what I'm talking about now.

I saw they were nervous. I say, oh, yeah. That's all I need to see. Just a little fear. Just a little fear in a man's eyes. Because that's my greatest ability. Yes. Another man's fear.

Yeah. I like it. I like it. And listen, I know we've been talking about Shador, but listen, remember what I told you about the Panthers, right? Yes. Remember what I told you about the Panthers? If there's a dark, a chat, stay with me real quick.

If there's a dark horse team that I believe in this year that is going to creep up and maybe make it run into the playoffs, I said it would be the Panthers. They didn't look bad. Bryce Young didn't look back. Jalen Coker went crazy tonight. T. Mac. The rookie from Arizona looked good tonight. I know Xavier like it got thrown out,

getting into a little tussle. Listen, I love the passion. It's just preseason. That's fixable. That's fixable. But again, look how the Panthers look early in the game. For those I know everybody tuned in to watch the door. But I'm telling you right now, and I say it at first,

someone that's not much of a Panther fan, then play for an organization, they owe me nothing. I'm telling you the Dark Horse team for this season, the Carolina Panthers Bryce Young and their receiving court I'm telling you watch

Ocho, I ain't never been that hot in a preseason game No The tussle? They were going at it I don't really got no tussle in practice bro

because I'll tell you what Dan Reed is going to say you're fighting that means we ain't working hard enough Mike Shanahan say the same thing I mean working hard enough bro it ain't like it is now bro

them two hour two and a half hour practice man please with pads and you had on pads and oh let me take that back Ocho you have on they call it see what they call shells with shoulder pads and shorts it's not shells like they call it now basically got those little fit

a styrofoam stuff on that was not shells when when I got in the 90s shells with shoulder pads and shorts shorts yeah and you know we hit. We hit back then.

Nine on seven was live. Live, yep. Team was a solid thud up. It wasn't no, touch the guy on the two-hand touch. Oh, no. You put shoulders on it. You put pads on him.

Yeah, you better come to balance and be ready. I remember Dennis Smith, we call him Kahuna and Atwater. Man, they come down in that box? Shh. Well, we had thumpers back then. Oh, yeah.

man please Atwater ain't played what He's dope Atwater coming down here now And Atwater wasn't the thumper Like Dennis Smith Kahuna was the thumpper number 49 Whoa whoa whoa more than Atwater

Yes Lord Ocho I saw that joke Hey at 205, 210 I saw him sit lineman Sit lineman on their ass They pulling He ain't never go low

Right Up high He put and that shoulder in their chest And sit him down At 210? At 2.10. Dang. Go back.

If y'all can find it, go back and check the tape. He hit Roosevelt Pots. Uh-huh. They both ran. Pots come through the hole. He hit him. He was out cold? Marion butts.

Hey, if you, if you're a Charger fan, you know who, because back then, Ocho, they had a big old, big running back. They had big Marion Butz. They had Rod Bernstein. They had a big, they had Joe, caravello big joe cocks i mean they are the tight ends were like uh 300 pounds offensive line mammoth offensive line yeah kohuna run through him go back and look at that play with dennis smith hit uh he had marian bus and he hit uh uh roosevelt pots yeah

you know you know who else was a thump or two remember donovan deris yeah yeah i played against d d d at uh at jackserville but that was back in the 90s you had chuck cecil You had Mark Carrier from Chicago. Yeah. Boy, back there, it wasn't nothing defenseless about that. They said, you got him in his shoulder pants. What the hell you thought was going to happen? You come across the middle.

Oh, yeah. You're going to get that work. What? You're going to get that work. Rodney Harrison. Oh, Rod coming with all four-arm every time. Hey, I say, bro, they say, hey, shark, just stay on my knees. I say, hey, gotcha.

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or wherever you get your podcast. Oh, yeah, hey, that's a hard playing joker. Oh, Cho, the biggest story, I know football, but the biggest story that we've had in a very, very long time, Portland Trailblazers's head coach Chauncey Billups. What? And Miami Heat Guard, Terry Rozier, were arrested by the FBI and separate gambling pros this morning.

Billups arrest is related to an ill-league of poker games tied to the Mafia, according to ABC News. Whoa, whoa, whoa, tied to the who? The Mafia. If Red Collect, the Bonanno, the Genevese, the Columbia, the Colombo, and the Lucases. Ooh. But anyway, assistant coach Tiago Splitter would take over for Billups

that's Portland New interim coach. Rozier is accused of being part of a gambling ring that used inside information to make illegal wages. According to ABC, Rozier and Billups are just two of the names arrested in a wide-ranging probe called Operation Royal Flush. They need to stop. That started four years ago,

two indictments have 34 defendants listed. The indictment alleges that Rozier told associates he was going to take himself out of games during the first quarter on March 23 of 23. against the pelicans so others could bet the under prop bets. This information was sold to others so they could also

profit. There was a 259 000 that was wagered on Rozier by a group of people with inside information according to the indictment. Rozier played under 10 minutes in the game. Billups took part in a rigged poker game.

In Manhattan, according to the FBI, how do you rig a poker game? Well, Ocho, according. They had x-ray machines built in the tables. So when you lay the cards face down, I can see what your hold cards are. So now I can play. Contact lenses through glass that read mark cards. So you know, oh, that's an ace.

That's a this. That's a bad. Secret cameras in card trades. Bill is also alleged to have provided insider information on the Trailblazers injury while team was tanking at the end of 2023 season. Former NBA player, Damon Jones, was also arrested. Jones sold information on the Lakers game so other to bet on it. According to the indictment,

Jones is a close friend of LeBron James, who did not play in the game in question. The Lakers were named in the investigation during the press conference. Each defendant in the NBA gambling case has been charged with conspiracy to commit wire fraud and conspiracy to commit money laundering. Hey, aunt, man, listen, man, boy, this is, this is big, this is huge. It's ginormous. Listen, this is like an episode of law and order.

You hear me? But one, okay, I understand the gambling part. Yes. But what grabs me, what grabbed my attention is the fact that the mafia is still prevalent in today's society. What do you think they win? Wait, hold on. It's New York. Oh, listen, I know they never went nowhere, right?

But they're never visible. Their presence as opposed to the 70s and 80s. That's what the real mom is. does. They're not flashy. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. But they have reputable businesses. They have trucking and they have cement companies and they have delivery services. So they have

legitimate businesses to hide behind the other things. See, and people ask why this is why the NFL and the NBA puts out all injury reports. Okay. So therefore, because if they didn't put it out and guess what, people know

I can get parts of that information, and it would have looked like that what happened in the Damon Jones situation he gave them the information before it came out so they bet before everybody else knew LeBron James was a scratch

they had already got the money so now the line is going to come down but they already got in on the other it's just oh let me tell you a story go ahead, go ahead, wait, wait wait let me get comfortable in that because your stories be good.

This okay go ahead. This is why I stopped going to going we used to have the same thing we had a we had to play craps yeah go every monday night we would go at first it was just just guys on the team yes a former player that was that everybody knew i i knew him a long time yes sir uh and so we would go over there we would roll dice everybody month's friend you know we led somebody money the thing was i wouldn't lend you money so you can bet against me what i looked like giving you a thousand dollars and then you're going

to fade me right right right right you're going to fade me with my own money no that's not going to happen but anyway okay they started letting other people come in oh strange other people come came in because we didn't care hey right at first we used to have like 10 packs of 10 packs of dice and sometimes hey you get hot on the dice you keep the dice for like 5 10 minutes and you put the dice in your pocket so hey man these my special dice I don't want nobody else to touch these right right right well lo and behold we they let other people they start letting other people coming out. I'm like, but who is you?

Man, I know such and such. Oh, Lord. Move out for this. Hold on. Don't tell me they came in there with some damn trick dice, huh? Man, they came in there with them crooks, which are loaded dice. And the thing was, Ocho, the hardest points on the dice to hit is 10 and 4. Because there's only two ways you can make it.

Yes, sir. You can make it 5, 5, or you can make it 6.4. Yeah. The same thing with 4. You get 3-1 or you get 2-2. You get flowers or you get little Joe Kokomo. So that's it. Man, that joker threw them dice.

It rolled 10. So you know, hey, so you know, hey, everybody going to jump on that 10. You ain't fit to hit that 10? Right. I'll tell you something. I don't know, Chad, if y'all ever gambled before, but if you want to break up a dice game, hit 10 or 4. I don't saw cars in exchange hands.

I don't saw a lot of itch happen with that 10 of 4. Come on, man. But anyway, he came out. He hit 10. So you know everybody jump on it. Hey, you know, I'll jump on him with both feet too. Ah! You ain't fit to hit that.

Right. So he took a cool 200, 200 off me, you know. Yeah. Damn. I said, let me come back. Let me come back. He rolled a four. Oh, back to back.

He rolled a 10. He kicked the 10. And then he came back. Oh, Joe. The end was hitting it out the door. So I say, what the? So I only go over there with like $2,000, $2,500. Right, right, right, right.

You know the dice game up, hit for about 30. What, 30 what? 30, 30, baby. So you got to realize it's like 15, 20 of us in there. We all NFL players. So we all got Brad or guys would go to the ATM and get money and come back. Oh, hey, eh, y'all should know what's up, man? Oh, Cho, didn't know.

So I tell my homeboy, Burns, he had gone out of town because at the time, Michelle was in Virginia, so by week, you know, not a bye week, but he would go home. So he would leave that Monday, go home, stay Monday night, come back Tuesday. Because a lot of times we didn't have, we win, we didn't have no meeting, we have anything, just get back with it.

Right, right, right. As a matter of fact, he was catching the red. I'd get home's early Monday morning. But anyway, I told him, I said, man, Bernie you ain't going to believe this. I said, dude broke the game up. He said, what? He said, what he was hitting?

I said, dude, we had a dude named Reggie. Reggie Hayward. He broke the game up. He had the dice for like an hour. I ain't never seen nobody get that hot, but it was legit. He had the dice for an hour. Every point on the dice, he hit. He was seven out the door.

You hit, eh, Ludge A, that 4-5, A. He was talking about born and 54, died in 63. What's my point? Nine. Yaga! I hit it. Yeah, yeah. What Jesse James Carrey, 45, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam.

Hey, hey, he rolled four, him and Smith, wala, out the door. Stayed on the dice for an hour. I see Burns, old boy, tenor four, had the dice just like that. Yeah. The next week, the guy housed that he was at, he was rolling a dice. Had two grand out there. Everybody had it. He crapped out.

He picked the dice up. Yeah. And threw them. They split open. Uh-oh. Now you can see where the weight was. So I go, I don't hear about this till the next. So this was on Monday.

Yeah. They start calling me, man, sharp, you ain't going to bleed this. I say what? Man, man. Man, boy had. crooks. I said, he had the way to dice. Like, yeah, man. What you think we should do? I said, I don't know what y'all going to do. I ain't going to do nothing because I'm going to go to jail. So I said, look, I'm done. From that point on, I said, I'm done. I told birds. I said,

Byrd, if you want to go, he's like, you ain't going, I ain't going. Right. But anyway, and I started, look, boy, look here, I started to get the dude that vouch for him. And I knew him. But he, we've been cool. You vouch for him. You vouch for him. You got to cover him. But anyway, dude done brought a brand new, brought a brand new maximum,

kidded it out. Hey, new gear. That's what stopped me from doing, that's what stopped me from doing the house game. Right. I got, first of all, it's got to be like us. It got to be us.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. No, outside. It's all, I ain't talking about, no, homeboy, I'm sorry. No. I'm sorry, Ocho, your homeboy can't play. Right.

everybody, me, you, X, Y, Z, we NFL player, boo. I believe we're going to be on the up and up. But somebody come to the game, they know it, they know it's money going to be there. Yeah. They're going to come in and cheat. Yeah. The card game, the same thing.

That's what happened with the online poker. Yeah. Guys had the online poker. He had the, you know, it's a, what they call it? But anyway, he's, he, they can see your cards. Right. And so he. Crazy.

technology so advanced. Listen, the part that scared me, I understand Chauncey in trouble. I understand Damon Jones in trouble. I understand Terry Rozier. For one, I'm not risking it. I'm not risking the position that I'm in. But you don't believe you're risking it.

Huh? Think about it. A lot of this stuff happened in 23. It's 25. Ocho, you know, what criminal you know make a score and said, I'm done, I quit? Well, you can't. But you understand.

When the FBI get a wholly and that, the FBI, they watch it for a couple. They don't let it run. They got to wait till they get you. Oh, Joe, I can't get you with one charge. Because you're a first time of you going to get off. I got to get you deep. I got to make sure the hook is set.

Yeah, it got to bill up. It got to bill up. This is a scary part of you. You know the fish, right? You got to set the hook because if you don't sit it right, a big one going to get away. Oh, yeah, absolutely. But this is the part that scared me, though, right?

Like, understanding, okay, I understand the gambling part. It's the part about being part. the mafia being entangled into it, man, that's a no-no for me right there off back. I don't see the sopranos, yeah? Yes. I don't see in Goodfellas. I know it's a depiction of a fictional story maybe, but that's real life. Yeah.

I'm thinking about extortment. I'm thinking about once you tied into them, man, that's you got to move. Now you've got to feed them information. What I hate most look, and I know, listen, I know Charles Billis since he was in high school. He went to G-dub in Denver, Colorado, which was about a mile from where I was staying. I used to stay in the breakers. Anybody from Denver know exactly where the breakers are on Mississippi and where G-D-W is. There's a car wash.

It used to be a sterling car wash right across the street. Chauncey Billers went to G-D-D-W. He was sensational. Sensational. Three-time Mr. Basketball, All-State, all you. So we get that. And so I feel bad for Johnson. and I hope,

I hope this is what they suggest. But my thing is, and I hope this is just but Damon Jones, everybody knows what LeBron goes through to try to make sure

he has no stain, because what did they put in the paper? They put LeBron James. This man is doing everything he possibly could to keep his nose clean to make sure he doesn't have the people look maverick he grew up with rich he met at a very young age randy he grew up with so he so insulated himself lebron don't have a whole lot of close friends you see him you can

always see randy randy as his sheep of staff rich as his agent obviously maverick handles all the other business inquiries you you put this man on the spot because it's a legend that you sold information that LeBron is not going to play before it became public knowledge. And they say they have a text message or something between the two. I just, I just

hate. I just, I just hate. And obviously the funny thing about that, LeBron doesn't know. I mean, them exchanging message, him letting them know, that's like me texting the unk, we're going to play the Raiders, but I'm not playing. Like, that's no harm, no foul on LeBron's part because he had no idea what's going on. Exactly.

Yeah, so, but the one thing, and what I was talk about, about them being dealing, dealing with the mafia. You understand these people, these people have no regard for life. No. Once you're in business with them, that means you got the old ways. Once they got the hooks in you. I need all the answers. I need who's playing, who's coming out, what's the score lying on be?

And what happened when you get it wrong? What happened when you mess up? What happened when you place a bet, you give them certain information and it doesn't come out the way it should and they lose money? well all of a sudden you say he's not going to play then all of a sudden he plays he'll game time and he end up playing hold on what about this once you end with them

like that what about you know what I don't want to do this no more I don't want to I don't want to do it no more and it's reported that of the like he got $2,500 so on a $50,000 bet I think it was a $50,000 bet

wasn't it a $50,000 a bet how much was it? It was over $100,000 they gave you $2,500 under. Hold on. They ain't even give you 10%? They gave you 2%. What the hell I'm going to do with that? Hey, Ocho.

If it's $2 billion, I'll take 2%. But not no damn $100,000. No, absolutely not. I just, oh, bad. Absolutely not. Hey, hey, listen, I understand the gambling part, right? And the gambling part, to me, because I've been in that lifestyle, I don't gamble.

y'all know my cheap ass no gamble i'm saying i've just been in that world for so long and seen so many people gamble yes the past 30 years the part that is that has me stunned and is amazed is boy you dealing with the the the mafia like i think i think people just like letting it go and they hell no they're real damon jones chancy chancy and goddamn terry rogia is the only one that's on the goddamn news well where is everybody else what the other 30s you There ain't no names. I got to get the big, oh, Joe, let me ask you a question. When the last time you see somebody post a fish that was this big?

They post the trophy fish. Yeah. They are the trophies. Yeah. So now you lose, you lose your job. You lose your career. But you know, they're still going to be making any money, huh? Oh, yeah.

They ain't going to. You know, you know, it's not going to stop. No. Absolutely not. Bro, look here. And I used to gamble. I did. I mean, I used to come to Vegas and gamble.

I gamble on the plane. We played, you know, we used to play tongue, and we used to play in between. Yeah. Potts get up to $5,000, $20,000, $30,000. American money? Yes. Man, shh, boy, you're all tripping, man.

Man, I look, I took a call for a guy. I felt bad for him because I know if he had to go home, he'd go get a divorce. he had a rest of Chappelle 454 right black beautiful you took the pink slip I said man give me give me three grand caller today y'all y'all were betting card pink slips hey he got up he got in the hole and that's what happens oh joe oh he was in the hole there was a story I hear about a dude name uh I think his name was Jeffrey Wantanabe

lost $204 million. Lost his family fortune. Read it. Go read about it. Go read about it. Hey, chat. No, his name was Terrence. I think his name was Terrence Watanavi.

Hey, chat. Somebody sent that to my Instagrams or my Twitter, please. I got to read that. How do you lose? Did you see the movie The Gambler? Yes. Warburg?

Yes. Like, I didn't know people had issues like that where they're addicted to gambling. Like, how do you move? Gambling? Yeah, alcohol, drugs, yes. It's an addiction. It's an endorphins. It's a high.

It's a rush. How do you lose $250,000? You go to the shark and ask for more money. Oh, hold on. Read that a lot. Say what it was, Ash. $240 million. $240 million?

Yes. At what point do you say stop? What point do you say no? Unk, I lose $20, I'm going to lose my mind. Yeah, he was up. But see, here's the thing, Ocho. Same thing, there was a guy named Arnie at the Benions. He was up 50 million, lost it all back.

He had every $5,000 chip that was in the hotel. The hotel used to have the casino, you used to have to come to his room and get the chips because he had them all. He lost it all. You know, I, I don't understand. I just, I can't grasp the concept. I understand gambling.

Listen, I really can't talk now, Unk, because I just started, I just started playing a little blackjack myself. Every time I go to Vegas. I don't go to Vegas often, but I go to the blackjack table. You know how much I spend? I take $200, $200 out atm. I paid a $25 hands. Yeah.

When that $200 is gone, man, I'm hurting. And it's only $200. And now you're saying these extraordinary numbers, how the hell you lose $240 million? Because when you get down, you try to get it back. Because let me tell you how it happens. Okay, I'll lose 50. Hey, I lose 50.

I'm going to bet 100 to try to get it back. Now I'm down 150. So guess what I got to do, Ocho? I'm going to bet 200 because I'm going to get all three. I'm going to get the two hands that I lost and I'm going to be plus 50. And before you know it, now, you bet in 25, 50, 100,000 a hand. So how long will it take? you because if you go on a rush, you go on a run, you could, hey, go back and look.

I think it was the MGM. Carrie Packard, what was his daddy name? Packard. He was an Australian billionaire. Go read about what he did to the MGM and how he wrecked their quarterly report. He wrecked it? Yes. Well, he won.

He went on a run. He won, yes. Big time. but and know the lady that was serving him she was bringing him you know

smoothies or water whatever it was right go get your mortgage I'm gonna pay it off for you oh he was talking spicy he did it Carrie Packard is the

is yeah yeah yes damn gym read about it I know all the stories hey

listen gambling gambling is an addiction huh absolutely it is and listen a lot of people say oh stop acting naive see

there are certain things that I don't know about there are certain things that I don't know about because it was never it never sparked my interest that's not something that I look

it ain't like soccer I can take about I can talk about boxing I talk about tennis but gambling I just started playing blackjack this year Oh yeah He was a whale

Those are what they called whales What was the guy used to be a penthouse What was the guy on pinhouse? He was in the wheelchair Oh Damn, I forgot his name I met him one time He owned hustler

Yes, yes, yes Damn, I forgot his name I made him in L.A. He passed away. He was aware of Larry Flint. Yeah, Mr. Flint. That's right. Yep.

Yep. But, Ocho, the thing is that, look, I played a couple of hands. You know, hey, you know, I pay. Hey, hey, hey, how much you would have been? I don't mean to be in your business, but I just, for better context. I'm going to tell you to, Ocho, we was at the Rio. Uh-huh. We was at the Rio.

Okay. And it was me. 7, 30, 53, and Crockpot. It was us. Yeah. So we were playing. So I had like $25,000 only. John, John was playing.

John was, so I had, you know, I've won, and he was playing. So he got a card, he split. So he got, so he split him. Then it was another of the same card. He split that. We had about, he had about six cards that was split. and then he ended up doubling down. We had like $40,000 on the table.

And the dealer bused. He took all mine because if the dealer would have hit, all my little $25,000 was gone. He was like, give me your money. I'm like, whoa, whoa, hold on. He told me, give you my money. What kind of bulljohn is there? But we won.

But it's a, oh, you ain't nothing like it. If nothing like sitting there, you played $5,000 or $10,000 a hand, And then you get Blackjack. Oh, you get, what gets scary, Ocho, what gets scary, Ocho, is that when you get a double down hand and you got $5,000 or you got $10,000 on the wood. Yeah.

Now, when you got a double down hand, you got $10,000 on the wood, what did that mean? You double your money? You doubled it, so you got to put $10,000, $10,000 more with it. No, man. double it or you split it you got to put 10 that yes what happened though cho you get a double down hand yeah you get a split you get a split hand so let you get say you get a pair of eights or a pair of nines against a seven or below yeah you're gonna split them now you get a three a two or three

now you doubling that so now that's 20,000 now you get this head you get a split you get a double Now you double that. 20, 20, 30, 40. That's $40,000 on the wood. Yeah, it ain't worth it. And you hear me? It ain't worth it because I'm thinking about the loss. I'm thinking about the loss.

But you can't think like that. So you can't go to the table because you can't look at the chips as money. You look at them as objects. The moment you look at them as money, get up from the table. Hey, for one, for one, unless you make the kind of revenue and you have disposable income, your ass shouldn't be gambling no way. Yeah. Unless you have disposable income.

I don't care. NFL players, I don't care how much, I don't care if you got a $50 million contract. Your ass shouldn't be at no goddamn crap table or playing backjack or no rotisserie or none of that. Yeah. What's the one going to circle again, what it's called? That's roulette.

I'm talking about rotisserie. I'm talking about roulette. That's a league. That's a gambling league. But anyway, I know what you meant. And plus the new thing now is Baccarat. read the field ivy story feel ivy famous i know that name i know he'll

he'll poker player i know his name but they went they went they went they went overseas him and a uh in a uh a chinese lady yes sir what read about that story is good or bad uh uh it's bad well he won but they fought because the lady could count cards oh you can see the imperfections But Ocho, that gambling man is a dick

Ocho, why you think people be watching these games? You think they really be liking these teams? Some people do. I got fantasy and I got real money. You messing up my parley. That's why they call you the N-word. That's why they say you worse than Hitler. Bro, you lost me my money.

What the? Hey, if you can't stay in to lose your money, you don't bet. you don't bet Well, you suck Man, I'm telling you, oh, choke Yeah, no Hey, that's fascinating It's fascinating hearing the stories

Now it's fascinating But I can't put myself in position To put my money Where I have no control Over whether I win or lose I'm not, I don't want to The house don't let you in I'd have heard enough horror stories

to stay away from it. You got to be able to see, the thing, the reason why the house wins so much, they can weather the storm. Because guess what, Ocho, if you start winning too much, they'll ask you to leave. Okay, that's enough, Mr. Johnson.

No, what? No, we think you've had, we've done enough for the night. The question is, when you win, can you get up on your own to leave? Because they don't usher you to have. When you're losing, they don't ask you to leave.

Can you ask yourself to leave when you lose when you start, can you leave when you start to lose? Man, listen. This, Ocho, this is what happened. Excuse me. This is what happens in the game in space. Yes. Yeah.

I mean, hey, can you imagine? How do you even, I'm still stuck on the mafia part. Because I understand how that can. in. You're not just putting your life in jeopardy. Yeah, everybody gets close to you. They play for Keith, now. Hey, man, I ain't got, man, who, what? You know, there's a certain, excuse me, we speaking to gambling. Now, excuse my, my lack of knowledge, I might be wrong.

The greatest player, the greatest basketball player of all time. Yes. If I'm not mistaken. Second grade, but okay. Yeah, he'll be gamble. Yes. Yes. He liked your You see where I'm going? I'm trying not to say it without saying it because you lost someone very close to him. But everybody knows, but the thing you,

there are a lot of people that lost because they chit next to him and feel they got the gambler as much as him. He's the logo. He ain't got to play no more basketball and he's still going to get, he's going to get, you know, 300, 400 million and he ain't drip.

What the last time Michael Joy and dribble the basketball? No, but see, you're not understand what I'm saying. Didn't he lose somebody closest to him based on, okay, so you get where I'm going with it? Yes. Okay. See, I don't, that's what the reports believe that it had something to do with that.

Exactly, which is why I don't understand how Chauncey and Damon and Terry would even, yo, you, what, you part of who, Gambino who? No, I'm good. I'm good. Winnotto, I'm good. Lucasey, Geno viz. I can help you with none of that information. Because in the minute it don't go right and you can't get to me, you're going to the next closest thing to me.

I don't want, I don't want that. Mm-mm. So that's, you know, and reportedly, the NBA investigated Terry Rozier and clarity. That's the problem that you got. Yeah. They investigated him last year, Ocho, we briefly touched on this. Uh-huh, uh-huh. And they cleared it.

Now you see why the NFL, see, that's why you can't do it, Ocho. Mm-hmm. Because guess what? these gaming companies they want to be able to bet with the NFL and MLB so they're going to turn you in oh yeah absolutely

they're going to turn you in because hold on wait a minute he's just a guy and why are we getting all these problems bet coming in on him and he just oh no they'll pull it off the board man please

goddamn I look in situation like this, you got to just take your medicine and I just, I hope it's not true. I look, I don't really know, I don't really know anybody but Johnson. The FBI does not come and get you

until they have enough evidence to convict you of whatever said crime is. Well, I can hope, oh, Cho, damn. You know, hope, the people in the people in the hair hope they can get some goddamn ice water. Is it coming? Absolutely not. I'm hoping.

Well, you know what, I'm a hope with you. I just, I just, you know, Ocho, I'm just saying in a situation like this, you don't think, you don't think, Ocho, you know how we're wired. We think we're invincible. Because think about Ocho, this was 2023 when this was going on. It's 25. Ocho, they didn't have forgot about that. Oh, no, they don't forget about nothing now. Yeah, you know, also, you remember your grandma, your mama said,

boy, my grandma said, boy, I'm gonna tell your tail up when you get home. About two, three hours go by, oh, she didn't forgot about that. And next thing, you know, she's shutting down on you. Wah, wop, why, I just, ah! So, bad, I just, boy, this is, this is, boy, they about to get, they about to get real, real. What, straight? But that, but that, no, but that's, that's the problem.

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