Nightcap - BEST OF 2025 Part 3:  Unc CALLS OUT the FAKE friends vs the REAL, Eagles DESTROY Pat Mahomes & Chiefs in Super Bowl

Episode Date: December 25, 2025

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson break down the Biggest Stories of 2025 on Nightcap! Unc and Ocho react to the Eagles winning the Super Bowl, Unc calls out the fake and real friends after his 2025 year and much more! Subscribe to Nightcap presented by PrizePicks so you don’t miss out on any new drops! Download the PrizePicks app today and use code SHANNON to get $50 in lineups after you play your first $5 lineup! Visit https://prizepicks.onelink.me/LME0/NI...0:00 - Shannon Sharpe GIVES BRUTAL ADVICE to Sherrone Moore after Michigan FIRING11:41 - Tom Brady BLASTS Today’s Quarterbacks "Mental Ability"39:15 - Eagles DESTROY Pat Mahomes & Chiefs in Super Bowl LIX55:55 - Unc & Ocho STUNNED by OBJ’s Money Troubles after BLOWING $4M a Year!  1:17:07 = Unc CALLS OUT the FAKE friends vs the REAL (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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According to reports by Dan Weissel and Adam Schuster, Pete Thammel added that the fine would be for cause, Michigan athletic director, Wardee Manuel, said in the statement that Moore was fired after internal investigation revealed credible evidence of an inappropriate relationship with a staff member, which is a violation of university policy. More took over the full-time job from Jim Harbaugh, who left to go to coach the Chargers in 2024 after the Wolverines won a national championship. Remember, he filled in a couple of games when Harbaugh was suspended. He was the office coordinator, and he was the interim head coach, and that's how he parlayed that into

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candidates. Ocho Ron Moore is alleged, it's being reported that someone was on the staff elevated to his executive assistant end up having a relationship with her. If I'm not mistaken, he has a wife.

I think he has a couple of kids, two, three kids. We saw a situation with, I'm a Yidoka. We saw a situation with Mel Tucker. It's happened. I think Rick Petino had a situation like that. I think Bobby Petrino had a situation like that. what are your thoughts with joe i mean then i go to you joe you got to be careful you got to be mindful obviously at at some point we in when you're in positions of power you almost somewhat

feel invincible um uh taking advantage in abusing that power that said power uh for those that work with you or or part of an entity that you are part of and you think you're safe yeah I think you say you take all the right steps, you do all the right measures to ensure your safety and that individual does, hoping everything they can to make sure to protect you and what you guys have going on. But for some reason, every time a situation like this does happen where you think nobody can be able to pull back the covers or the layers on what you have going on, it always gets out every time. Because there's so many stories of these type of situations happening. It's sad that it's come to this, wife, family, embarrassment that they have to deal with. The young lady who's also a part of this, the embarrassment that her and her family are going to have to deal with. It kind of sucks.

It sucks real bad on both ends for both parties that are involved. Joe, I don't think there's a way you can feel safe. in a situation like this. Like it's almost like looking over your shoulder every time, you know what I'm saying, you go to work or you, I mean, at some point, you know, maybe some guys don't get caught, but more times than not, man. Yeah.

You know, it's just, it's a tough situation, bro. You got to have a discipline. You got to lead by example. You know, you lead men. So you want to be an example to them, leading the right way. And to have this, it's just unfortunate. and grow. I think the thing is

is that all the situations that you've heard you never think a situation like this can happen to you even though you're doing what you've heard about.

Nah, this is going to be different. He ain't like that. It ain't going to happen. They ain't going to get out. Don't nobody know but her and I, blah, blah, blah. And I can imagine

six, seven months, months ago I went through something very similar so I can I know what that storm is like yes and unless you've been in it that's why when people say I this is what I would do you don't know what you do yeah until you in it until you in that pressure cooker until you in the eye of the storm yes up until you in until you and I've had a conversation So you know, I know, I know, I know you know, to be in, to be in that storm and to know, everybody know all your, everything, all, everything that you work your entire life for, you feel it like it's crumbling right before your eyes. You don't. Yeah.

And the only people that's going to be there. the only it's going to be a select view it's going to be a select view that's the hardest part I mean everybody look it's kind of it look and I understand the situation

but if you're married and you engage in inappropriate relationship why would you do that? you married. And see, everybody always said, why would you do that? Why would you do that? Well, if you thought you was going to get caught,

if you thought something was going to go wrong, you wouldn't do it. Right. The same reason you speed. If you thought you were going to get caught, you think you would speed? No. Unless you're a kleptomaniac,

you're not going to steal. You know, kleptno just can't happen. But some people, you don't shoplift. You don't steal stuff that you think you'll get caught. That's why a lot of people, most robberies happen at winning. At night, you got the veil of darkness

because I don't want to get caught. I don't want to be seen. The same thing, why you creep. Most times, wouldn't the creeping take place? At night. Boy, college professor told me, said the night has a thousand eyes. And on most of it, have a thousand and two

because somebody sees you. Oh, yeah, I'm writing that down, boy, that's a good one there, boy. Damn. Say the night has a thousand eyes. Oh, most night it has a thousand and two, because somebody sees you. I don't know when I'm going to be able to use that in conversation.

And then the other report that came out that he was arrested and things that, you know, the things escalated. Damn. that old hoo-haw point hey it's undefeated yeah

think about think about Samson and Delilah David and Bathsheba it had made a fool of us all though at some point in some way, shape, form of fashion one of the more powerful thing way one of the more powerful things

are going to boy well that's a hell I would there are some people I have I don't hate anybody but there's a few people I really have a strong disliking for I wouldn't wish

what I went through on Bill mm I wouldn't I wouldn't Boy, it was tough Boy, it was some days that all I had was not you, Ojo and Joe

my family. Nobody else was there. All the phone calls, the people used to call and hey, how you doing? What's up? Mm-hmm. I think that was the... Besides that, yeah, it was embarrassing.

But I think that was the toughest part. That people that you thought would always be in your corner, all of a sudden they weren't there. Hmm. And, uh, I just remember my brother calling me every day, Like, man, tell me a joke. Maybe like, hey, I know you got some story.

Tell me what Papa I used to do in this situation. What would Papa say? What would Granny say? What would this? He was always trying to pick me up. He said, nah, bro. He called. He called Shelly.

How's he doing today, Shelly. He's like, he ain't doing good. He called. My sister called. Bucket call. I think the hardest thing was when Bucket called him crying. that was really the only time that I broke down because I'd never seen bucket cry.

I saw him cry one time when his brother got killed. We were in college. The only time I hadn't seen bucket cry. And when he cried, he broke down. Now I broke down. Man, I was like, bro. I said, oh, boy, we're going to be okay. We're going to be okay.

I say, there better days on the horizon. We just got a weather. of the storm. Just got to stand it. Sharon, Lord, I can tell you, bro, you got to stand in it. You got an A. I remember Mayor Porter used to always tell us, and I didn't really understand because I had really never

gone through anything. She said, boy, everybody, they're either entering the storm, they're in the storm, or they're coming out of the storm. There's only three phases. Everybody's doing something. You're coming in it. You slap dab in the smack in the middle of it or you leaving it. Damn. Damn. On it.

Just, damn. Someday you're like, man, am I going, am I going to wake up? Is this a dream? Am I going to wake up? Nah, bro. It's real. That's what you're wrong.

It's thinking right now. guarantee you. He's like, this is a dream. Is this real? This is really happened? Just like that. Blink of eye. Just like that. Everything that you worked a lifetime for. All these bricks that you stop, that you, that you, what is that jenga? Where you have to be, you try to pull one out and don't topple down. And you know,

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Don Brady said the quarterback position isn't as mentally developed as it was when he entered the league. I don't believe the quarterback position as mentally developed as it was when I entered the league 25 years ago. There was a premium on understanding defenses on understanding matchups on, I'd say pre-snaps, reeds, getting your team in and out of the right play. I felt the way to learn was played a position over a period of time. You truly give your team the best chance to win to be a field general.

I think you better have a mental advantage on the field, and I think sometimes there's more important than physical advantage. Ocho, do you agree with him? Hey, do me for your uncle. You said a whole lot right there that Brady said. Bring it, listen, break it down to me in our language. He says there was a premium of understanding defenses. You had to understand what the defense was trying to do.

So now you go out there and you're looking, you're not just looking at your guy. Like, man, this quarters. Uh-huh. Oh, this is covered this. He got help over here. So you needed to understand a pre-snap. you're looking at the alignment you look at that triangle okay i see what y'all trying to do okay so he said you guys need to have a pre-snap you need to have an understanding of what's about to happen

make sure you get your guys okay do not run a play into a safety that you can't block okay that's a negative play so you just gave up a down for whatever reason flip it right i like audible out of it but but listen tom brady's speaking from a standpoint of being number 12 a standpoint of having having the power and the ability to be able to change plays. Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Drew Brees,

it's a few other quarterbacks that I can name. When they came to the line of scrimmage, no matter how much disguising you did, no matter how much bluffing you did based on down the distance, they already know from watch the film, they know what the hell are you doing.

They know what the hell you're doing. They know exactly where each player is going to be snap of the ball. Even if you wait, even if you wait late, and wait until he snap the ball, and he still sees moving in front of them? Because once they snap, they're looking right down field.

Okay, if you was down in the box and you shoot back out, okay, this is what they, he already know what's coming. And every play you run, chat, every, every officer play you run, especially when it's a past play, there's always somebody open. There's always somewhere to go with the ball. And it's all about being able to process information on what you see in front of you and knowing where to go with it very fast. Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Drew Brees, were the best at it.

They were the best. Sometimes you got to look at what those guys put in. Because a lot of times guys, so we'll see a lot of times guys now, there's more important thing than football. Football was the most important thing to Tom Brady. It was the most important thing to Peyton Manning. So there was no life outside of that.

During the season, the most important thing was football. They didn't play video game. It wasn't no call of duty. It wasn't no madden. It wasn't no doing all this. They got all the commercials done in the off season. So everything that was focused was sending around,

how can I become the best football player I possibly can? The question you ask yourself, is that what these quarterbacks today doing? Yeah. And also, you have to give some of the quarterbacks today. Also, you have to give them a little grace. You have to give them a little grace because they're starting the game so young.

They don't have the freedom to do some of the things that Tom Brady's mentioning. That takes time to develop, to even get to that point where you can recognize everything you're seeing and the just trust you. Peyton Manning was the coach. Yeah.

Brady was the coach. But they know they put so much time in the Ocho. Yeah, yeah, yeah, you're right. You're right. So listen, quarterbacks right now, they can't come up to the line of scrimmage and see something. He'd be like, you know what?

This thing will work. We can't run that play. Sometimes I watch the NFL games. Wait a minute. The defense shifted. The defense of the line shifts to the right. Change it. Right.

You're running power. stretch to the right, right into the teeth of the defense. Right. I think some quarterbacks don't have the freedom to be able to do that because their officer coordinators don't trust them just yet because they're young. No, you got, you got to earn that. The only guy that had that kind of freedom early on with Peyton Manning. Yeah.

They turned the keys over to Peyton. Brady didn't even have that kind of leeway early in his career. He earned that trust. Drew earned that trust. Rogers earned that trust. You have to earn that. And that doesn't happen overnight. it doesn't Patrick Mahomes had to earn Andy's trust

in order to be able to be able to audible in and out of plays change a play you know things of that nature it's different now also I came in the league the quarterback called their own plays it wasn't looking at the wrist they called their plays

John Elway called his plays serious? Yes he called the game damn yes wait no officer coordinator talking into They had a, hey, he might say what you like here. Okay. Yes, quarterbacks, the old court, the old guard,

those guys, I came in the league, quarterbacks were calling some of the quarterbacks, not all, some of the quarterbacks were calling their own play. Yeah, he's like, get out of the sideline. Yeah, no, you got to get out of my ear. Get out of my ear. But it takes a lot. You have to put a lot of, a lot of timing in.

Yeah. And everybody. But like you said, you're talking about Brady running practice. He's running, he's running a walkthroughs. He's running seven-on-seven. He's running, you know, two-minute. He's running, running no huddle. Tom is doing those things.

If you want a quarterback to half, you got to let him do it. You got to let him do it. I got to tell this story. I don't know if I'm getting in trouble or not. I'm not sure if I'm allowed to share this. I don't even care. I don't even care, chat. I'm going to tell you about why the New England and the Patriots were so goddamn good.

Everybody in the chat, I know you saw the beginning of full metal jacket with the sergeant going off, cursing, and just, he was on one in the beginning of the movie Full Metal Jacket. One day in practice, Bill O'Brien, obviously, the officer coordinator, called in the plays. We're in practice, and Bill radios in the play in Tom's ear. I'm in the huddle. I'm assuming maybe Tom didn't get it. So Tom sitting there with his head down and he does one of these. Give me the play.

Give me the play again. And Bill must have said it again. He didn't hear it because the thing, the communication must have been all. And Tom, look back. Give me the goddamn play. Bill. I gave you the fucking play already.

I said it two fucking times. What I didn't fucking get it? What the fuck you want me to do? Jesus Christ, aren't we in the middle of practice. We're in the middle of practice. And at that moment, I understood this is why. This is why the smallest things. That period we were doing where that one play, that one play didn't work and it didn't go right,

we started the whole fucking period over. Yeah. We started the whole period over so we can get all the plays in succession and get it the right way. Yep. I'm like, what? What? What? Yeah.

Bill over there with the whistle on his finger. Toward him. Yeah. So I'm like, man, what are they running over here? No, it was unbelievable. There's so many stories. I can share that one. Some of the other ones.

It's a little too graphic. Oh. We, bro, we would go practices. The ball wouldn't touch the ground. Mike would come out there and says, says, I don't expect the ball to touch the ground. For real? Ball don't touch the ground.

Right, right, right. Boy, look here. People, man, look here. If y'all look, like I said, them 90s Broncos, you understand. Like, I understand why the Cowboys won in the 90s. I understand why the 49th is one in the 80s and the Steelers won. because there's a level in which you practice at. Yes.

Not that you get it right. You practice so you couldn't get it wrong. That's a good one. That's exactly how we were. And it was you're so afraid to let the man next to you down. And he's so afraid to let you down. I'm not going to be the one to drop this ball. No, that ain't going to happen to me.

Man, Ocho, brother, look here. Look, I can you, you, I've never really been around Tom, like in a game. We played them. I played him twice. We played them in 2000, when my first year back in Denver, we beat him, and then they came and Tom threw a touchdown pass with like 20 seconds to go in the ball game to beat us. But being around him and listening at him talk now, you understand.

why he's how he is. Yeah. You understand it. You understand. You understand it. Absolutely. He's an animal. In film.

Mm-hmm. In practice. Once he's outside that building, completely different person. Yes. I can relax now. Completely different person. It got to the point where a few times I've always told people,

seeing Tom Brady, seeing Peyton Manning, seeing him in front of a camera, hearing them talk, it does no justice because they have to put on a certain facade. They have to mask who they truly are, the fun side, the authentic Tom Brady and Peyton Manning. So nobody really knows who they are unless you know them personally. Some of the greatest, some of the greatest funniest dudes ever. And the fact that they have to remain a certain way, once that camera's rolling, it's unfair. It's unfair to the world in general because you know, never get to see the real them.

Everything you see is that political robot that says all the right things that patriot way. But outside of that, though, Tom, you're talking about funny. I used to hate Ocho. You know what I hate? If somebody mess up, everybody gets punished. Not punish him. Bad Ocho, the bad old laugh, man. Because, man, you out there running.

I mean, somebody jump off sides or somebody do something, and we all got to run. because their thought process was if it happens in the game he's not the only one that's going to get punished we get punished as a unit yeah right right hold on that might be happen but I'm on the side

if the office with Dan Reeves if the office jumped outside even if you were in the game you had to run wait even if you're not in the game yes if you're not even in practice the office had to run right right oh Lord hey listen hey Dan like one band

one sound baby yes One band, one sound. Every time you jump outside, Ocho, you had to, you had to run a lap. Lap was around both football fields. So it's like, that's 400 yards. Man, why I had to run three one day, Ocho? Three.

Somebody jumped off sides? No, me. Me. Man, Lord, have mercy. Dad, hey, boy, Dan, Dan was old, old school. You heard how people talk about Coach Landry and how those old school coaches was. That's where Dan, Dan was the offensive coordinator

for the Dallas Cowboys under Coach Landry. So he brought Coach Landry style. If you see Dan back when he first started coaching, he got a hat on, he got a shirt and tie, he got a suit on, just like Coach Landry. Now, he never really folded his arms like Coach Landry. Right. Because Dan called the plays.

Coach Landry turned, you know, turned some of the play clawing over. That was, I think, you know, people said that was some of the thing between him and Roger Starback because he didn't really want to let the reins go. But, oh, man, yeah. Oh, but I show, I was like, damn.

I don't know what it was, Ocho. Man, you know, you get tired, Ocho. You be thinking, I was like, damn, is it one? Was it on one? It was it on two. But the ball, the ball right down your inside of your time. But I ain't looking at a ball, man.

I'm looking, I'm, damn that ball. One thing about it, boy. Hey, my, I never forget my coach, Coach Bud, Miami Lake's Optimus, 1988, fatigue will make a fool of us all. Yeah, absolutely will. It absolutely will. But I remember that, man, all the running. And then, like, we have guys, like,

guys that make weight in training camp, they have to run 110s after practice. So we've been out there for two hours, Ocho. and, you know, you might have to run 10, you might have to run 12. Man, you know, I run with the guys. You know, especially if one of the guys is in my group, one of the tight ends.

Right, right, right. Or we have to run, we have to run after practice, so we might have to run 10, 12, 1-10s. I'm coasting. I'm cruising. They're like, pick it up what? For what? So, your team was different.

When my team, obviously not me, But when we were overweight, you know, it costs money a pound. You still have to pay, but you had to run and get a lot of it. You got to pay and you got to run? Yeah, you got to get up off you somehow. Man, please. I ain't never had no problem with no weight. I ain't never had, you know.

But I always set my weight because I wanted something to fight for. You know, as I started to get older, Mike would say 84, you know, you sure you want to come in with this? I mean, you can come in a couple of pounds. I was like, nope, I want to come in at this right here. because I'm going to come in and then, you know, I'll come in at 2.32, 2.30-ish. By the time the first game start, I'm going to be at 228. By the time the season end, I'll be at 225. I already know got a time, got it planned down to the tee, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, tick, just like this.

Know what I'm going to eat. I know when I'm going to eat. I know how much I'm going to eat. I know how much protein, carbohydrates, fats. I know all of that. But I just think that, you know, that's just the discipline, what it takes, Ocho, to be. the best because that's what we that's what i was trying to be i was trying to be the best i don't know what somebody else was doing all i can do is me versus me i'm gonna get everything i can

out is god-given talent and then hey what he didn't give me i can't complain but he did give me discipline and hard and work ethic to get the most out of what i can do oh joe what do you think the most difficult position is for a rookie defensive position oh defensive back yeah Defensive back. Oh, absolutely. Coming in, coming in, coming in from college, the speed of the game has changed. The players you got to go against are a little bit more polished

than what you saw in college. Everybody's fast. Everybody's fast now. You know, so really understanding who's in front of you, making sure you discipline, your eyes, your tape. Eye discipline. Everything matters now. get to that next left.

I mean, listen, your coordinators can hide you sometimes, you know, put the safety over top of you. I mean, shh, man, listen, man, DB, the most difficult. Well, hey, not when you got one-on-one and you ain't got no DB over the top of you. Because did y'all, I'm assuming y'all did. Hold on, I'm trying to think. Did y'all do one-on-ones every day

or y'all just did one-on-ones on Thursday? Probably Wednesday and Thursday. Yeah. Yeah, can you know, Wednesday, Wednesday were obviously open field day. Yeah. Thursday is red zone, so we'll do red zone one-on-ones on Thursdays. Friday, the combination of both. You know, practice only an hour on Fridays.

Mm-hmm. Oh, yeah, that was, yeah, it was, it's funny that I think about like, man, but that was the, I really truly felt. that at practice is when I was getting better. Ocho, if I could be the guy that sees me every day, have seen me every day for years, what chance that guy got in the game? On Sunday, and none at all. Zero.

None at all. Well, I don't even see you. Just so you know, I don't even see you. All that you're talking, okay? Got something for you. but that man I just but you just understand people get to where they need to go

doing different things Ocho I was it was the end all be all I had teammates they had to go out Wednesday night Thursday night Friday night they got to right they got to

they missing something something might happen and I ain't there to see it Like, bro, how? Mm-mm. How? Man, I got to get, man, I got to get me like, I'm in the bed, Ocho, I'm in the band at 10. Yeah.

Hell, I was all way before my time. Hell, I was in my 20s. I was in my 20s to go to bed at 10. Yeah. Yeah, we're in the same boat in a sense, but you were here, and I was out here. You was like, I mean. Oh, man. It's the same way when I was in college.

Oh, you, when I was in college, I was a teenager. Oh, I'll do the bed at 1030. Sleep. Out. Yeah. Out. Man, boy, I did. My roommate would come in there and cut that light on.

Yeah, I understood early in college at Lankton University, at Santa Monica, going out costs. It costs money. And I ain't spending no money. So it was easy, it was easy for me not to go anywhere. And not going anywhere, gaming, my money. My money I had to spend, it was spent on buying games. That was it.

That's when my money went. I mean, I didn't really watch no football games, Ocho. I would only watch a football game, a Monday night game, Ocho, if we weren't going to play that team during the season. If we're going to play that team during the season, I ain't watching it. No? Nope. Because I didn't want to have a false sense.

Because if they look bad, I didn't want to say, Oh, we're going to run through them. Or if they look good, I'm like, damn, we got our work cut out. Mm-mm. I got you. But I've always been a guy that gotten to, like I said, in college, I'm 10 o'clock. And don't be running out of that. You know, that, that, I was just reading some, a kid, I think an 11-year-old kid in Houston just got shot again, Ocho, playing that knock-knock ding ding-ding thing.

Playing on people porch? Yeah. Dig, ding-dong ditch. Yeah, man. Yeah, man, Ocho, guys in college, Ocho, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, beat on your dough. Back on in your dorm room, though, and running? Yeah, really, guys?

Really? I, listen, I'm one. That was me. And I, listen, you talk about ding-dong ditch. I'm, you know, my condolences to the young bull that lost his life in Houston doing that. But I were doing that, too, back in the city. I'd never forget Scott Projects

Scott Projects me and Snoop Minniss I don't know if you remember Marvin Minnish Yeah I heard of I don't know it Man we was little kids man in the Scott Projects Man knock knock knock Taken off I remember them days Oh there's some good days

That was like my my rook My freshman year When I got to be a sophomore Yeah And I was the BMOC Right Don't do that What BMOC stand for

Big man on campus. Okay, okay, okay, okay. Oh, you're that boy, huh? Okay, okay. Oh, yeah, oh, yeah. For my side boy, yeah. And definitely my junior senior senior year. Oh, yeah.

You were that man. Man, you know how sharp is, man. Yeah. Okay. No, no, no, I just, I just, but I needed my rest. I don't, look, I don't practice my ass off. Coach Davidson had us out there for two, two and a half hours. I don't go on the study hall, did my homework.

I'm out. I got to get up at 7 in the morning I got class at 8 So I got to get up, shower Put my clothes on Go to the cafeteria, eat breakfast Time out, time out You schedule your classes

For early in the morning? Oh, boy, look here Bill said, Bill Davis Say, look here You ain't own no academic scholarship You're on a football scholarship Boy, you couldn't have no class You couldn't have no class

The ladies you could have a class We had practice at we had practice at three the latest the absolute latest right bill didn't want coach david didn't want you to have a class afternoon my class was eight eight to nine nine to ten to eleven eleven to twelve i go eat 30 minutes to eat then i go get me go get me a hour to half nap get up walk to we had to walk to practice we couldn't drive to practice right to walk to practice which was like maybe a half a mile practice for two two and a half hours go to the cafeteria eat go shower go do my homework, 10 o'clock, 10.30, lights out.

You better to me. I wouldn't. I get up early, but I ain't getting up to go to no class. The only problem that Coach Davis, look, Coach Davis, I love Coach Davis today. The only time, the only time he had our butted heads, 5 a.m. workouts. Woo! That's the only time. That's the only time.

I've ever told a coach. Coach, how are you going to do it? 5 a.m? I'm not going to do it. But it's not the military. That's like Army. That's like, you know. Nah, they're tripping.

Man, you know, he had the all-season workouts, Ocho, 5 o'clock. Me getting up early, Ocho, he just, like, ruined my date. I feel like I'm sluggish. The rest of the. day. If you have to get up early? Yeah, man. I hated it. And plus, I had had to get up my senior year before I went to Savannah State, Ocho. We had, we did construction, we did

landscaping, and I had to work in Savannah. And I lived in Glenford, which is 65 miles away. We got to be on the job at 6 a.m. So the guy picking me up at 4.30. I said, no, man. I ain't doing that. I said, Coach, I can't do it, Coach. I said, Coach, I can't do it. I said, Coach, I can't do it. He said, you're the leader. I said, well, Coach, I'm going to have to leave from the bed.

I'm going to leave from my door room. And he didn't bother me because he know, hey, he know what I was there for. I was very specific when he came to recruit me at Savannah State, When he came to my house to sign me that morning when I said, I called him and said, Coach, I want to sign with Savannah State. He said, I'm going to put some clothes on. I'm coming right now.

I said, no, coach, you can come in the morning. I was very intentional about what I wanted. Right. I can't do that. Yeah. What I can do is what I can do. Tom Brady says Aaron Rogers is the most talented quarterback in NFL history.

Aaron in his prime, to me, is the greatest pastor of the football. the league has ever seen he could get the ball from point A to point B faster and more accurate than any player in NFL history you agree absolutely and you know if anything you might want to throw Brett far in it too I don't think Brett was a great thrower of the football what I think of great throars of the football I'm looking at a guy like Aaron Rogers I'm looking at a guy like Dan Marino Danny wait you don't put whoa whoa whoa you don't put bread in that conversation Not a great throw of the football, no. But I understand what he's saying when he talks about Aaron Rogers, though.

The arms, the slots, the angles in which he can throw the ball from, the platform. Every last one, from up here, all the way down to the sidearm. It didn't matter. And he was accurate as hell. Yes. Accurate as hell. Yes. Obviously, and especially Aaron Roder's mechanics, his footwork, that's not teach.

You don't teach that. You cannot. You would never. That he's throwing off one foot, he's throwing going back because he has arm strength to do it. He has the arm strength to be able to get away with some of the stuff that he does. Anything Aaron Rogers like when it comes to playing the quarterback position, you can teach it because he's the only one that can get away with it because he has the armament.

But I still, to me, the greatest NFL season by a quarterback is Dan's season 84. Yeah, but it's office. Yeah. He threw for five thousand. He threw for 48 touchdowns, 5,000 yards. Is that error? when you could knock hell out of the quarterback you could knock hell out of receivers

and he did that that's still the greatest for that's that is Joe Burrow's season his last year at LSU that's what that would be the equivalent of you got to go and look like I said back back back then

the defenses could punish the quarterback I'm talking about annihilate them there wasn't no well you know you hit him in the back you hit him in his knee you hit him below the waist and yeah

that was the greatest season but I won't I won't argue with Tom on this one Aaron Rogers the way he could

the platforms the arm slots which he could throw the ball from and the accuracy in which he can throw

from any angle on the field he said none of me he's gifted he's gifted and the funny thing about it

a lot of people a lot of people say oh Aaron Roger is trash like I if you watch the game of football when Aaron was in his prime of Greenbraith.

Yeah. With Donald Driver. Jordy Nelson. Devante Adams. Mm-hmm. Man. Oh, he had a Greg Jennings? Greg Jennings.

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you get your podcast Damn just thinking about that The Eagles ride that defense, 40 to 22, in Super Bowl 59. Everyone loves a comeback story. Saquan Barkley leads the Eagles there, but it was that defense in Jalen Hertz's arm and his legs that won this ball game, 40 to 22. We've seen this before, Ocho.

The last time the chief lost in the Super Bowl, Tampa defense got after him. They couldn't run the football. They became one-dimensional. and they came one-dimensional again tonight and the Eagles pinned their ears back they got out to Patrick Mahomes forced a couple of turnovers were forced three turnovers

a pick six an interception right before the half and that was the difference in the ball game what did you like about what you saw from the Eagles and this dominating victory don't let the score fool you 4022 no no no no that was a dominating victory

yeah listen the game of football especially in the Super Bowl most of the time, it's one up front. It's one up front, is one in the trenches. That's where everything starts at. The Eagles defense, Vangelo didn't have to do any blitzing.

He didn't have to do anything exotic except line up and rush the pass because the front four got the job done all night. I'm not sure what the senior was doing. I'm not sure with the right tackle and the left tackle were doing all night for the Kansas City Chiefs. They played, you know what?

I'm not going to talk about them. I'm going to credit the Eagles defense. the defense playing phenomenal football. They tried to roll out. If you notice, Unk, not too many times the packed from home just dropped back. You notice how they rolled them to the left a little bit, rolled them to the right a little bit,

they kind of reset the pocket a little bit, to get the officer's line a little help with Jalen Carter, you know, trying to nullify him a little bit, get him to reset his feet and have to start all the way back over as opposed to just coming up field and bull rushing.

They couldn't get nothing done. They weren't able to run the ball. Obviously, they made them one-dimensional. which is why the game turned out the way it did. Now, on the flip side of the ball, the Chief did a great job. The Chief did a great job in nullifying the run and not allowing Sequin Barkley, hit his head off the goal post

and being efficient in the run game, but they weren't able to stop the pass. Jalen Hertz, very good in the past. I think if I'm not mistaken, this might be one of the few games we threw for over 200 yards where they didn't have more rushing yards and they actually won the goddamn game. Well, the defense game, very good field position, Ocho.

And when you look at it, The problem was that, yeah, they did a great job of stopping Saquan, but they couldn't get off the field on third down. You see, your job is not complete until you get off the field on third down. Now you had them on third down. Trent McDuffie, what did he do, Ocho? He got an unnecessary penalty. Now they go and get a touchdown.

See, you've got to be smart. You can't put yourself in situations like that. Give the Eagles and see the thing with Kansas City. They ran into the same thing, and I tweeted it early. This game has the exact feel of the Chief Tampa. The Chief couldn't run the football. Okay, the buck says we know y'all not going to play run the football. Guess what?

They play shell coverage. Cover two. Well, you're not going to run the football. You've got to, if a team is playing nickel, you've got to run them out of it. You got to. They got to have a choice. They're playing a four to five. You got to run them up out of it.

And when their inability to try to even attempt to run, now Big Fanjo says, okay, they walk right into the trap. Yeah, yeah, most definitely. And I thought, I thought the game would have been a lot better. I thought it would have been a lot better, obviously, with the creativity and how special Mahomes is, but Mahomes was never able to be poised. He was never able to gain composure and be comfortable in the pocket. The entire night, they had him running for his life, even with the tricks that they tried to do and getting him out to get him out, rolling him out a little bit.

But what it did, it made him one dimension, especially with one side of the field. That's how the first interception happened, because he lost vision of, of, How you said last name, I don't want to butcher. He lost vision of where he was at because he was rolling that way. And obviously, when you're rolling that way, you're not staring at that side. You're staring at what's coming towards you to where you can throw the ball. Didn't even see him coming. Interception goes the other way.

The game was a very good game from all three phases for the Chiefs. For the Eagles, you mean? All the offensive, offensive, defensive, obviously, special teams as well, not giving up any big plays. There was some garbage time work from Mahomes and Worthy. That really didn't affect the game in any way. But congratulations to the Eagles. And I think, I'm going to tell you why the Eagles won.

It was the good luck kiss I gave Seriani before the game started at the media day. That's what it was. That's what it was. Oh, Joe, normally what happens, if you go back and study playoffs, when you get into the game, if you lose, whatever your weakness was, it gets exacerbated.

What was the Eagles problem for the most part of the year? Pass protection. Yeah, past protection. Now, we got an opportunity to see it. The same thing that was they lost. Now, the last time they lost the Super Bowl, they lost to the Buccaneers. They went out and signed Joe Tooney.

Now, if I'm the Chiefs, I'm going to go get Trent Williams. I'm going to overpay for it because I've got to get a left tackle. I've got to put Joe Tuny back at left. guard. Right. I've got to do that because it does not matter how great you are. Look, this is what, if you look at this game, look at what the Eagles did and who they did it to, this is one with the most dominating performances that you're going to see.

Yes, there have been other games. You go back and look at the 85 bears. That was Tony Ease. You look at what we did. That was Kerry Collins. But when you look at what they did to a historically and generational and a, you look, transcendent quarterback. This is one of the most

dominating performances that you're going to see. Kind of what like the Seahawks did to Peyton Manning. Kind of like what the Bugs did to Patrick Mahomes. They dominated it. I mean, it wasn't close yet. You're going to look at like 40, 22. But at one point in time, the game was 40 to 6.

The game was 40 to 6. And for all intents and purposes, the game was over at 24 nothing at the half because the people like, well, you fought with Tom Brady did. No. The difference was that wasn't that that that wasn't that that wasn't that goddamn no no it's out there bro one team had like 11 plays the other team had 12 first downs

so I didn't see any any semblance that there was something that they could do you see they come out and try to run the football they ran it for a play and then guess what they go right back to throwing it listen I saw a stat I saw a said I think Tom Brady called it out they hadn't gotten the first down I think if I might be wrong a mistake career you can correct me if I'm wrong they didn't get a first down until damn they're almost,

oh, they didn't pass the 50-yard line, huh? The 50-yard line, whether the whole first half or not until the third line? I'm like, what the hell is going on? Yeah, it was, I mean, you've got to give the Eagles credit. Mahomes didn't play well.

Credit that. It wasn't that he didn't play well as his own. The Eagles had a lot to do with that. That front four was relentless. That front board was relentless. Give credit, give credit to sweat. Give credit to Smith. Give credit to Jalen Carter.

Give credit to Williams. give credit to those guys Jordan Davis. They did an unbelievable job of doing what they were supposed to do. Our job. And guess what? Even when he was able to escape,

they chased him down. They didn't give up. They were relentless in their pressure. And they earned this victory. Now, I don't know if y'all noticed, but hey, they built the last. You look at what they got. They built the last.

They got, they got hurt on an easy contract. They got their two wives. receiver. They got them sold up. Now, you're going to have to do something with Braun. You're going to have to make a decision. It's going to cost you a little bit of money for him. You got to bring it back. You got to bring it back. He's on the one year. He was special. He was, he was special all season long for them.

And you're a defensive player of the year candidate. So, Ocho, you know, you got Sequin tied up. Your office is tied up. You got Lane Johnson locked up. You got Myelotta locked up. You got Dickinson locked up. Your center is going to be in the second year. He's on a rookie contract. Obviously, you're straight. Good.

But look at the age, gone. Look at the age. If you look at the landscape of the team on both sides of the ball, almost everybody's young. You obviously have a few veterans that are up in it. But the majority of the team is young. This team is going to be together for a while. And then you have to think you still got the draft.

Now. And then you still had all-season acquisitions that Jeffrey Lurie and High Roseman are going to make to even better. There's a question is. There's a guy out there that says he wants to be traded. Who? Miles Garrett. Oh, they're not going to be able to fit it.

Then now you can't even be able to pay nobody else. I just say it. But let's look, hold on. Stay with you real quick now. Now, look what they were able to do. If I'm a GM, if I'm Harry Roseman and from Jeffrey Lurie, look what they were able to do with the front floor they have right now, the young bulls.

Yes. You know? Okay. do you really want to do you really need based of what you saw tonight against Patrick Mahomes and the Kansas City team do you really need to bring in a Miles Garrett?

You got to keep you but hey you can't stand pat now look I'm looking to improve now you're probably going to it's going to probably be too much to give it up to give up to get him and like you said right now for the next week

I'm not even thinking about that I'm going to enjoy this if I'm Jeffrey Lurie and High Rose if I'm Jeffrey I'm saying Howard don't bring me any idea because I don't want to hear it. I want to enjoy this.

Right, right. If I'm Nick Seriani, Hari, don't tell you're going to lose your physical coordinator. It looks like Kellynne Moore has the job unless something unforeseen happened in the last, you know, 24, 48 hours. He has the job in New Orleans. So you're going to have to find a new play caller. But the fact that the matter is that what they have, their very, very good, well-coached team, Sariani. When you showed up with that sweatsuit, told me that you didn't think you were going to get the job,

but you got the job, you've proven your work. I was wrong about you. You got to the soup bowl. You lose your coordinators and everybody's down and out on you. But you know what? You go back and you get Vic Fangio, and that defense was outstanding. Kellan Moore did a great job of calling the game,

running the football all year long with Sequan Barkley. Jalen Hurts doing what he needs to do, in order to, hey, okay, I'm throwing for 121. I'm throwing for 148. Now in this ball game, y'all give me a lot of single high coverage. I'm going to make these throws. And then when the coverage got tight, hey, yeah, he started picking them up, putting them down.

So now that's the problem that you're up against when you got these mobile quarterbacks, Ocho. You run past them, they jump out to wind and the high tail, and all you do it is looking at tail lights. This was a dominating performance. The Eagles fans, rejoice. did Jaylor Hurts win the MVP? Who won MVP?

Was it a defensive player? Was it sweat? Whether it hurts? Who won the MVP? I mean, it should have been Hertz. I mean, it was going to be somebody on the defensive side of the ball ahead. The whole goddamn defense should have got it.

The whole front line. Oh, Hertz just won it, though, Joe. He just won it. Yeah, I was going to say, yeah. But it was an outstanding performance of what we saw today. They dominated this ball. game and that was my, but when I looked

at this ball game, Mocho, I like, and we talked about it Thursday night. I said, the Eagles have the better team. If you look at it play for playing. Yeah, play for that. It's not even close. The only maybe the only position, the only position is quarterback where you can say they got a better play. Other than that, you look at

wide receivers. Look at the running back. You look at the office of line. Okay, Chris Jones and Jalen Carter, that's a push. Look at the line of Zach Brown, boom. Okay, maybe McDuffie and Mitchell, maybe McDuffin slightly better. Maybe that's a push. But if you look at the other position, so if you look at the starting 22, with the exception of maybe one, two positions, the Eagles have the better.

Right. Yeah, most definitely. And usually, in this case, most of the time, if the offensive line didn't play so bad, if they didn't play so bad, Patrick Mahon decision making wouldn't have been as bad as it was. You started taking risk. They made him very, very, very uncomfortable from the beginning of the game. So when you talk about which team is better, Patrick Mahomes has been so good since he's been in the league. regards to how good the personnel is on both sides of the ball for the goddamn Eagles,

Patrick Mahomes, most of the time, has always been good enough to overcome that. He's been good enough to overcome the weaknesses that they have offensively. But tonight, uh-uh. If you go back and look at the games that he's lost. Yes. The Tampa Big Buccaneers had a better team. Yeah. Offensive line?

Because remember that first time, Ocho, they trotted out five new offensive linemen. Well, you're not winning. I don't care who you are. I don't care who your quarterback is. You try out five new offensive line, you're not winning that game. But he needed to do a better job of protecting the football, especially.

But when you get down, Ocho, you start taking chances. If you don't gamble. You don't gamble, but people like there that gambles knows what I'm talking about. You start losing, and the next thing you do, you start adding more chips to the pile to try to get your money back in one shot. Ocho, you don't lost $4,000.

So the first thing you do, I'm going to get those $1,000 back with one hand. Let me bet five. Well, you bet five next time. Now you're down $9,000. And so you keep compounding it. So you start taking unnecessary risk and put your team further behind the eight ball. This is the one-shot game.

You got to throw the kitchen seat out there. Once you're behind the eight ball in the game like this, playing against the defense like that, you have no choice but to put the ball in harm's way. You don't have a choice but to take those risks and bet that five or four thousand to try to get your money back. You ain't got it all day. This ain't no seven-game series.

What is one shot? You're going to have to go get a running back, Coachell. Kansas City. I mean, hold on that. Time out. Let's stop. Let's stop. They got Pacheco.

He was good before he got injured for what they do well. Kareem Hunt came and he fielded and he's done an excellent job for what they do well. What the Chiefs ask if they're running back to do, they do very well. They don't need to say Kuan Borkman. No, I'm not saying, no, no, no, no. No, you don't need to say Kuan Barclor or Derek Henry.

But Ocho, in that situation like that, and granted, let's, I don't want to take anything away from the Eagles, but Andy got away from the, you know, got away from calling runs. And that put them further, further behind the slow because if I don't have to even, Ocho, I ain't even thinking about no run. I ain't even thinking about the run. I don't even think about the run. All I got to do is worry about trying to go to get one five.

Hold on, but you got to think about why you're not thinking about the run. How well that front forward, Jordan Davis and Jalen called it and play. I know, but Ocho, you got to at least give them something to think about. See, if you, hey, oh no, let's see, I can't run up in this house. That joker might be home. That joker might have to think booby trap. He might be waiting on me. I got to give you something to think about.

They're not even giving me anything. If you think about it, I think they had three rushes in the first half. Yes. Can I say something? I like your idea, though. I love your idea and say, you know, the chief need to go get a running back.

But it's only one Sacon Barkley. Stay with me now. There's only one Derek Henry. There's only one Jemar Gibbs. I'm trying to think of somebody else. John Jacobs. Yes. That scares you a little bit.

But there's only one Jockeet. Now, there's a handful of running backs. Get a tier two running back. Those are tier ones. Get you a tier two. Well, they got tier two right now. They got tier three. You do so?

No, come on. Getty do, Ocho. Get he do. Come on, man. Don't do like that. They do. They do. The biggest social media debate of the day stem from Odell Beckham, Jr., talking about the struggles of a $100 million contract and how money doesn't last forever, he said.

And I always explain to people like this, like, bro, you give somebody five years a hundred million dollar contract, right? What is it really? It's like five years, 60 million, you're getting tax. Do the math, that's $12 million a year. You know, that you have to spend, you have to use, save, invest, flaunt. I don't know, probably should have left that flunt out of it. But go ahead, this, OJ, this is the O'D talking. Just be real.

I'm going to buy a car, I'm going to give my mom a house. Everything costs money. So if you're spending $4 million a year, what is that really? That's $40 million over five years. That's $8 million a year. That's a five-year span, and you're getting $8 million. Can you make it last forever? And you always hear people who ain't us and ain't been in that position like, oh, well, that would last a lifetime.

OBJ, I'm going to be honest with you, bro. If you get $60 million liquid and that can't last you a lifetime, you got you you got a problem. Hold on. Wait, hold on, hold on. Let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, let's, think about, think about all the lottery winners, right? Yes.

They all, they all went broke. Yes. Because what, what, what, what, what, what did he say, what he, he, he put something in that at the end. What he said? You spend. Yeah. Use, save, invest, flaunt.

Right. Ocho. Yeah. Do you, now, do you really, do you really, need 10 houses? Damn. Do you really need 15 cars? No.

Do you need to buy everybody in your house, everybody in your family? Imagine that costs a million, $2 million. Because here's the thing. Yes. First of all, if you buy somebody in your house, your family a house, a house that costs a million to $2 million. First of all, they can't afford to upkeep on it. Because if they could, they'd have it already.

See, it ain't the payment. It's the upkeep. Right. With Ishgo Rome. So now you buy somebody a Mercedes, you buy somebody a Ferrari, you bought somebody a high-end car. God damn. Now, you got, now, you said, okay, I bought you this. You got to get the upkeep.

Right. Something to happen to it. Tago Flam. Who they call it, Nocho? You? You? So that's the thing. But.

I have a question. For better context for me, is, is he, you know, is he? he just speaking hypothetically he's not talking about his personal situation though he's using he said and i always explain to people like bro you give somebody five years a hundred million dollars what is that really it's like five years 60 you're getting taxed yes that's 60 million dollars okay you buy you a house now you're not buying a house every year i don't i don't think um but here's the thing yes bro bro bro say he's spending four million a year if you spending four million a year if you spend it four million a year and it ain't a business related you out your damn mind ain't no way in hell i'm

spending four million a year hey that hey oh that's a lot of money there boy hell yeah yes and you know let's just say oh cho you buy a house let's just say you buy a house a house that costs five billion dollars yeah you three five percent i don't know what your interest rate is that's probably if you just playing an interest only loan you're probably playing on four to four million somewhere between 20 and 25, $30,000 a month. That's on your place that costs $45 million. Right. Okay, you buy mom a house.

If I were to buy mom a house, I'm damn they're going to probably get her a house that I can go ahead and pay off. So I'm going to spend a half a million dollars for mom because I got to get her something that she can clean for itself because I can't play for a cleaner because, see, that's another expense, Ocho. Yes, it is. You get a pool in the yard, Ocho.

Guess what? You got to have it cleaned every week, Ochoo. That's another expense, don't mean. And you get a big-ass house. Somebody cut the grass. I don't need somebody can come with a pushing limbo and cut the grad

because that's another expense on me, oh Joe. I don't think players actually factor that stuff in when the money's coming in because it's coming in so fast and it comes in a huge chunks. Yes.

Everyone doesn't factor. Everyone doesn't have that financial saviness or that financial discipline to think long term. That's one of the few things I was really good at. While I was playing,

when it huge chunks of money was coming in I was thinking long term but I also had the goddamn financial discipline to understand that flaunting and being flashy wasn't my identity my name just my name the name the brand itself was just as big as anything else I could purchase you you know understand you're not hearing me the name itself was just as big as anything else I could purchase. So I can go anywhere and say, oh, shit, that's a Ferrari. With that same place that Ferrari go, oh, shit, they go Ocho. So it was no need for me to drive a motherfucker from a Ferrari

because everybody knew who I was. You know what? You're not your system. Okay, if you want a lease a Ferrari for a year to say, you know what? Yeah, it's okay. But I haven't been to get no Ferrari, didn't get a Lambo. But here's the thing, Ocho. Let's see what he didn't tell you, how it adds up.

Flying private. Oh, yeah. Hey, Uncle, go crazy. Hold on, Uncle. Now, you'll be flying private, too. Now I didn't see you with your feet kicked up eating Popeye. Uh-huh.

You know. Yes. Now you see why I fly spirit the past 20 years. Oh, Joe. But I don't fly everywhere private. Right. I don't go overseas private. You're talking about anywhere from between 10 and 20,000 an hour.

If you fly overseas, how long it's going to take you to get to London? Oh, whoa. Come back. How are you going to take to get to Madrid? Wait, bring that back. Bring that back around. Did you just hop a hour or the whole trip? Yes, a hour.

They're going to charge you about an hour to go overseas? Yes. Oh, heck. So if you go overseas, guess what, Ocho? You fly in back, cross. So that might be a $400,000 trip. Just like that. Maybe a million.

How far are you going? Oh, man. Okay. Now, here. Well, hold on. Time out, man. If it costs that much, would all these people be doing? on Instagrams where they always fly in private.

Then people ain't making that kind of money. Flossie. Hey, see, I, listen, I, I don't know. I just know my message. And, and kids, you pay child support. You mess around to get the wrong one and she charged you 20. You got to pay you in California. It's 20, 25, 30, 40, 50,000 a month.

50,000 a month, times 12, times 18. How much is that, Ocho? I ain't good at that, but it's eight. So, 50,000, let's just say, for the sake of argument, let's take a round even number. Because everybody like round numbers. Yeah. Let's just say you're paying 20,000 a month. Okay.

Times 12. That's 240,000 a year. Okay. Times 10. Uh-huh. That's 2.4 million. Okay. Now we add eight more to that.

Uh-huh. You see where you went to, Ocho? Yeah, I don't like that. So you about, you about 3.8. you're about $3.6 million, $3.8 million, that's one child. Now, imagine, imagine you got one, two, three, four. I do. I do. I got a lot of them. The thing that you did that was in Florida.

See, in California, they rick you crossed the cold. But also, also, also I had kids from people that really weren't on that because they understood. They understood. It was about the child. So for those of you that have kids for me, I thank you. You know, I love you because we was on the same page and you weren't been You understood I was always present. I appreciate y'all because the numbers you just ran off. I never had to deal with nothing like that.

Wow, damn. Ocho, what if you got a man girl and we got a side chick and you want to keep that on the hush? Oh, you got to pay hush money. Hey. I know you with me when I'm right. Hey, but hold on. You know the kind of money you got to make to be able to have a woman on the side and be able to keep it quiet and keep a happy? Yes.

You got to make a lot. of money and it go fast huh but for if like i said ohcho if you got a business you run a business business is cost because you have employees right you got to pay you got to pay for insurance and you got to pay yeah overhead and all that other stuff so i understand that but if your your yearly expenses and you ain't got no business and you spending four million man you watch look here you need to be bezos i need to be oh cho for me to spend four million a year I need to be making $50 million a year. Yeah.

$60 million a year. Not no $100 million contract. I need to be making LeBron James type money, $120 a year. Yeah. God, damn. And, you know, you got full-time security. You know, you're like LeBron. He got full-time security for him in Savannah.

Right. Or these entertainers like Beyonce and Hove. Okay, you got a full-time security detail. That's a couple of million dollars a year because you got 24-hour security. Hey, hey, um, you think, hey, when we get famous, famous, you think we're going to need security? I'm not going to need security. I don't, I don't, I'm not, I'm not, I don't, I don't, I'm not, I hope I don't, I can't say I'm not, but I hope I don't, because I'm just, I don't really go anywhere. Right.

Now, hold on, hold on. We're going to be hanging out, though. Hanging out, where? Me and you, like, like, when we get famous, famous, boy, hey, people need to see us. We need for to be in the house, right? Hey, look at your, Ocho. Hold on. Hey, you know what?

You ain't got to pay none. You could take, you know what, just take it out my check, right? Take it out my check. Just add me, add me, 1%. I got my, I got my, I got my, my concealed weapon lights. My concealed weapon lights. I got one, too. But I ain't, oh, Joe, I know.

I'm gonna let somebody else, if I'm gonna have some. No, no, no, no, no. I, um, you don't get, that's an added expense. You can use me. Hey, I, eh, I keep right here on me here, right here. Like this. Right here. Hey, hey, um, they, they won't play with you.

Most security Most security got two They got an ankle holster And a side holster Oh yeah I got a little 22 It'd be in my ankle I got a little 22

It'd be in my boots Now right now Ocho I'm like on a three year plan About two year plan Two year plan I'm gonna be inside No come on

Don't start that now Hey I'm like Pucks and Tarny Field I saw my shadow I got to go back inside Nah don't do that Don't do that Hey listen

One thing about it Tomorrow is not promise Tomorrow is not promise So what you need to do Is why you're hearing that You need to live You need to live I'm living in Ocho

But Ocho To be honest Ocho I've never been one of those guys That like to hang out I've never been there I don't go no way either I'm never outside You're always outside Ocho

Where? Everywhere You're talking about working You at games I'm not like that I don't go nowhere I don't go nowhere I don't go

I'm gonna go eat And I'm going back home That's what I want to be That's me that's me now I will go to a jazz club I go to the cigar bar and that's the extent of where I go now I might go listen to some some live music now you know I love me some live music yeah I do I know that

that's up my alley but we need god damn it I don't know but that's I mean $4 million a year chat that's a lot of chat that's 400,000 a month I don't think that's Hey, I think he was just, I was, I think he was just giving.

No, he said everything cost. So if you're spending $4 million a year, but I'm saying, Ocho, do you know how, I mean, for you to spend $4 million a year, you need to be making, you probably need to be making $50 million a year. Yeah. That's why, that's why I think he wouldn't talk about himself. I think he was just using it as an example of people on how they spend because, hey, that is, that's egregious. Yeah. Oh, yeah. That's, that's, 60,

60 million liquid? Hey, 60 million. I got, you got 60 million dollars liquid. Ocho, let's just say, if you, if you just invest conservative Ocho, it's going to pay you 5 to 8%? Yeah. 5% to 8% are going to pay your 4 million a year.

And you never lose the principle. No. So you can live off that. Yeah. And you know, it's funny, a lot of people that always say, oh, if I had that much money, if I had that much money, oh, I would last forever. But the devil is a lie

Because you get that kind of money You will be a totally different person If you don't if you don't If you don't have discipline with the little That you do have now You're right You're right And you get that kind of money

You're right Man listen Hey Unk I thank my grandma I thank my grandma My grandfather And they're one of the few reasons Where I was able to make so much

And not live as if I was making millions and it was easy because it didn't it wasn't my identity it never became my identity or i didn't get caught in that image or i'm making millions so i have to look like it now every so every so often one two three you know one two maybe three times you treat yourself you get yourself a watch and you get yourself yeah i'm flak yeah sure hey people you know they they love making fun of me you know but you know it's listen man um i'm going i'm going 30 years strong man still living the same lifestyle I was before I started playing.

Still living the same lifestyle. You know, every blue moan, you know, I turn up. You got to. You got to. You got to. Guess what? You leave all that money here. They're going to spend it.

They ain't going to hoard it like you do it. I already know about, hey, my kids might stop working and be working in two years. Because everybody going to be gold. Because they don't look at money like I do. But I'm very fortunate, like my sister, like, hey, I was like, you know, I tried to get a new car. She's like, nah, ain't nothing wrong with this one.

Right. You said, for what I do right around here, I'm good. I got my mom a car, got my brother a car a couple of years ago, got my son a car, my daughter a car. Yeah. They're good. Like I told them, Santa Claus got laid off. Damn. No criminal, did you?

Man, I'm going to see you that 5900. Don't worry about it. You're going to be good. You can get them a little range rover, a little range rober, little range rober 20, you know, 25. I mean, whoever, whoever need a car. No, no, no, no, no, they're good on cars. You show? Yeah, my range road, look, I got a, my range rover got 40,000 miles.

I just got, this turn 40,000 miles. Right. It's 13 years old. Hey, aunt, you need to treat yourself. I did. To what? Uh. I told you, when we take off, I'm going on vacation.

Man, that's not treating yourself, man. It is. Hey, you know what you should do, Aunt? What? You should get yourself a sports car. Oh, Joe, it's hard enough for me getting in and out with my hips like they are. I ain't getting no sports car. No, I think, hey, I think, for my birthday, I think I'm going to get a McLaren.

I mean, if you'd have called me last year, I'd have got me on McSheran. I can't get no. That's what I would have got me. But right now, Ocho, uh-uh, uh-uh. Right now, Ocho, your boy, your boy, your boy doing bad. Your boy doing bad. Hey, um, let me tell you something. You ain't never doing bad.

When you wake up and you owe you, Open them eyes and you allowed the opportunity to see another day, you're doing good. Always. Man, come on, man. God damn, now. I don't pay this man $350 to fix this issue and it's still doing this shit. Well, clearly he ain't fix it. Well, I need my money back.

But, uh, it's, uh, it's tough. Like, like you said, Ocho, when you get money and then, you know, you want to help people. You know, you want to make sure your family's taking care of. But don't get crazy, reckless with it. My two homeboys are always, you know, I always look out for them. Because, you know, in my homeboys, I know if the shoe was on the other foot and I called them. Yes, sir. They come through the clutch.

It's always been like, me and my brother, it's always, it was never, I got. We got. When he went to the NFL, hey, bro, we made it. When I went to the Hall of Fame, bro, we're in the hall. We made, yeah. So it's always been, it's all, it's only been three of us. Yeah. We're very, very close, very close.

And I got, they got. Yeah. I got they got. And that's how it's always going to be. Yeah. But yeah, man, four million dollars a year, you need to be making 50 bands a year to spend that kind of money. That's crazy.

And, I mean, 400,000. Think about that, that's 400,000 a month. Right. And you know, you know, what I think about too long is, is Instagram and social media has everybody so fooled. It does. It does. It does.

It has. It has. They have no understanding of money and they really think people are really living these lifestyle like that. It's impossible. It's impossible to live the lifestyle that the people put up consistently day to day to day. It, oh, you know what?

I can't even get it out. I can't even get out because I understand how much it takes. be able to do some of the things that I'm seeing on Instagram. And I'm like, there ain't no fucking way. You ain't got to tell me nothing. I know. There ain't no way. It's impossible. It's impossible. But, I mean, and then

the fact that it's everybody's identity. It's everybody's image. It's looking like I'm rich or looking like I'm got it. Like, for what? For what? Because the people that, I'm talking about the ones that really do? I'm talking about really got it for real.

Man, you wouldn't be able to tell. Yeah. You wouldn't even better to tell. Ocho, if you notice now, more people like Tom Brady, Tom is really big in the watches. Yeah, him and Jayze. That seemed to me the thing now, LeBron, and you see Hard and you see a lot of these guys,

a lot of these guys in the F.P. Jorn, the Patex, or the AP, the Richarmil, I mean, the Vacharons, they're in the, I mean, the watch is like, okay, because, okay, let's just say for the sake of argument, Ocho, you got that kind of money, $25, $30, $40 million for a house. And you got all the cars that you can possibly want.

Mm. I mean, what? I mean, me, I don't want a house that big. I mean, my house is probably too big as it is now, considering I'm in two rooms, the kitchen and the bedroom. Yeah.

Hey, man, how big that you got a palace over there, like Joe? No, hell no. But what you, what you were like, 15,000 square feet? Man, please. Nah, about 75, 8. God damn. Oh!

Boy, you got 12. Hey, oh, you, oh, you over the A, boy, you're E, M, boy. D. Seventy 5,000? What's that about a 12 bedroom? Sh, man. You got a golf course? You got a golf course back there?

Nope. Okay. I used to live on a golf course when I was in Baltimore. Ooh, boy, you big. Hey. Hey, you, you should. showing off the night way you showing off staying on the golf course i ain't still on no golf course i'm just saying but you did you say you did i did i did yeah yeah that's that's risk people that

the royal family they stay on the golf course it wasn't it wasn't it wasn't that developed back then right and so i got it at a good deal and then like i sold it the housing market was going right here so yes sir i sold it for like 70 000 i mean when i put in i sold it for like 70 000 over what i was asking. Okay. Okay. But nah. Like I said, I got this, I mean, I'm in two rooms. I mean, I got this entertainment room, you know, it's really nice. Man, I'm like, yeah, I ain't walking down. Yeah, hey, hey, I, that would require me to walk downstairs. Yeah, I remember the entertainment room because I had to pass by that. I had to pass by that.

You get to the trope. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah. You see, this is why I'm trying to get you a partner now. It's perfect right there. Them nights you can't sleep at night, boom. Hey, honey, I wrote a poem for you. Hey, honey, let me write you a love letter. Hold on. Recite some, recite some Shakespeare to your girl or something.

Hold on, hold on. I thought, I don't say you got somebody saying you've been married in two years. Yeah, yeah. You heard that, Joe. You're only for show. Yeah. Hey, just because y'all don't see me, I'm listening and watching now.

Okay, okay. Yeah. Hey, Joe, you married. Hey, Joe, you married, huh? Close enough. Close enough. Okay. Come along.

Hold on. Stay with me. He just ain't got no paperwork. Wait, long. Listen, this is what we can do. We could all make this official and have a trifecta wedding. Hold on. Yeah, we can have a trifecta wedding.

Hey, I'm official. I just ain't got no whistle. You know what I'm saying? I'm good. Yeah, we back. We back. We're probably watching. Yeah.

Okay, okay, all right. Yeah, I'm picking up what you putting that. I guess you. Yeah, you see what I'm saying? Joe, Joe, Joe, oh Joe, it's tired to come on. It's time to come home. Yeah, yeah. Come on.

It's about that time. Yeah, yeah. We're not getting no younger. No, I. Hey, Joe, I tried to explain the uncle. I say the older we get, the older we get, the chances of getting what we want, we want it becomes slim because what's available out there right now don't nobody else won't because that's why it's available who you hear me you get a certain age you know you get what you

can not what you want to be hey the pickings is slim now hey it's it's a tough time to be dating now boy yeah hey boy i'm i waved my white flag long time ago i remember hey we always hey we got back to school clothes, it was like a week before school, everything nothing's been picked over. Right. Hey, it wasn't early. We got the last two weeks. Everything that's been picked over.

Everybody else had the jeans on, to try the shirt on, the head and their feet in the shoe. That's what they came up. Because I remember when I was coming up, Joe, people be trying the shoes on just their bare foot. Yeah. You ain't had no socks.

You know, they just started. You're laughing, oh, chill, I ain't lying. They, they, they, you people had their brother like, damn. Hey, let me, let me get them what he just had. But that was, that was back in the day. So, but I'm going, hey, it's time to come on in, Ocho. It's time to come on home. Oh, man.

It just, it is what it is. And I, listen, I'm, I'm, I'm at fault too. I'm at fault too. Yeah, for sure. And as I've gotten older, I've tried, I struck out, huh? I've tried. I've struck out. But, you know, I'm, I'm, I've struck out.

I'm back at the plate. That's the one thing I love about baseball is at some point, as much as you strike out, you can get your opportunity to be at the plate again. And right now, I'm about to hit a home run. Yeah, yeah. You know, you know my problem with a little, Joe?

Call me, uh, uh, Gary Eltony. No, not Otani. What's, uh, Aaron Judge? No, play for, uh, the Blue Jays. Oh, Vlad Guerrero Jr. I'm Guerrero Jr.

Yes, uh, yes, uh. Yeah, bad, it is. Hey, the thing was, you know my problem with, Ocho? Talk to me. Looking for perfection. Ooh, take your time. It ain't out. One, boy, she's the perfect height. Uh-huh.

She was the perfect complexion. Come on that. She had the perfect bill. She had the perfect. Uh-huh. Bro, you not go find all that. Uh-uh. In one, you just, listen, I've come to the realization.

Uh-huh. I've got to find a woman that have enough of the qualities that I'm looking for that I'm willing to overlook the ones that she don't have. It took me 57 years to realize that there's no such thing

as perfection, although we constantly try to achieve it. Talk to them. So now I'm like, okay, that's enough. Right. You're enough. You're tall enough.

You're fine enough. The complexion is enough. Everything. is enough. Come on now. And it took me a while to realize that because I'm like, I'm trying to be perfect. Hell, I want the perfect person.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. That's why I ate the way I ate. That's why I trained because I was trying to be perfect. Shannon, and my sister just said, Shannon, you realize you're not going to be perfect, right? You realize you flawed. You are flawed. I don't know why.

We all are. Yeah. I mean, I'm like, I would love to be a therapist. I would love to be a counselor for my sisters because they have expectations and I love, I love people having expectations and having wants and needs and want requirements for people that they date

to meet those qualifications. You hear me? What's y'all laughing at? I'm listening, bro. Yeah, but here's the thing no, Ocho. Yeah, but stay with me. Go ahead. I want to hear this one. What are the chances?

If you ask a woman, Joe, if you ask a woman what is she looking for the man you hear me and she'll run down the list of all the qualities and all the requirements that's that she wants and it's almost it's a builder bear it's not it's not real the expectations aren't realistic so everyone is looking for this this not not imaginary but you you'll meet a guy that that'll meet half of what you want and oh you know it nah he ain't no good no he where he work at sears oh he work he work at Macy's, I can't do none with that. Oh, Joe.

Yeah. The easy thing you'll do is to get with a person. Getting with is the easy part. Staying is what's hard. Man, basketball came easy to Joe. Football came easy to you and I. But guess what we had to do?

We had to practice. We had to study. Uh-huh. We had to lift weights. We had to train. All that goes towards work. working you see everybody gets to the relationship and then that's it you've got to work every single day because the person that you met yesterday is not the person today the person that you

go bed the bed with the night going to wake up and so now instead of finding a reason to break up can i find a reason to state and the words of earth winning fire can i find a reason just one can i find one reason to stay the reasons the reasons the reason Isn't that way? Love game's been played. All of our reason was a... Come on now. Take your time.

Right. So now, it took me a while because I... Ocho, man, you... Hey, shh. Damn. Damn. Nah, Shannon. Because at the end of the day,

the way she looked today, she ain't gonna look like that 10 years from now. Hey, hey. From 20 years from now. And that, and that booty that's up on the shoulders. Yeah, yeah. It's gonna be down by knees. and you're going to need to pick it up

and walk behind her to care because you know what if she's walking in a silhouette that you can see now when she gets about 55, 60 you're going to be dragging in the sand on the beach you're going to know what she went Hey, my girl, okay, I see a trail. You know what I'm saying?

And you got to accept that, Ocho. Yeah, yeah, because I really, you know what? I walked by the mirror the other day and I was like, damn. I ain't the same guy no more, Ocho. Hold on, you lost it? Ocho, I'm telling you, I used to, I used to, I used to, hey, I used to pee on a boot from 25 feet away.

That's how you're all worth, Ocho. Hey, I ain't that no more. What happened? Hey, you say you ain't got it like you used to. I ain't got it like I used to. I said, well, damn. I'm like, I'm not terrible. right but I'm looking at how I once was right and so if I were if women were to judge me by

what I used to be as opposed to what I currently am right I don't get nobody any I know I used to I walked around at two I walked around at 235 with 5% body fat okay 3% 4% body fat for years right right we're like I was like you know what I need to give people grace like I'm asking people to give me grace. Hold on, what you're saying? You fat now? No, he's not fat. Oh, no, no stretch of the imagination.

Okay, okay. Hey, hey, I'm saying his bounce back ain't like it used to be. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. His bounce back ain't, yeah. Yeah, yeah, oh, Cho. Yeah, yeah. Damn.

I'm just saying the baby arm ain't what it used to be. That's all I'm saying, Ocho, that's all. All right, that's it. We ain't going no further. 26. 26. I'm going to be back. Chat, stay with me till 26.

My bad fettles, my bad fettles. Yeah, but you just, you have to come to the realization, man, and I've come to the realization that, hey, it is what it is. Hey, I ain't 27, I ain't 37, hey, just got to keep kicking. Hey, hey, I can put one foot in front of the other and just keep, just keep going forward. Well, we back. We all, we all the way back. Nah, no, no, no, we're all the way back.

But are you better believe 26, it's going to be all the cracking. All right. That's what I'm talking about. I'm going to be part of some of that cool stuff y'all got going. Yeah, you know, the reason why y'all fell in love with Unquinocho Nightcap, 26. 26. Yeah, two my months.

Y'all, y'all know. I got these jokes. Hey, I ain't in the joke telling business like a, like, like, Quake. But I got so. But man, this, man, you know, when you watch, you know what I'm saying, you know, you're driving, you just spend a lot of time. You know, I've had a lot of time to think because, you know, my grandmother's to say, boy, she said, you either walking into the storm, you end the storm, or you're walking out of it.

You say somebody, everybody going through something, son. Yeah, come on, come on, boy, and when you end that storm, when you end the eye of the storm, the eye of the storm, Drop down in New Orleans, Katrina. That was the eye. Yeah. Boy, you don't think, you don't know if it's ever, ever. Like, when is this going to be over?

How much longer? Man, hello. Where do I go? When does it end? What the, yeah. But I, at. The eye or a storm could be eye over. Oh, Joe, I read a quote many, many years ago.

It said a lesson that's not learned in blood is definitely, to be repeated. I had a conversation with my brother probably about two months ago. And he called me. And I said, well, you know, he obviously, he knew what's going on because I called him and told him or heard of time. And then something else came out.

Then something else came out. Then something else came out. Then ESPN came out. He said, Shannon, there's a lesson in here, somewhere. But you to be going through what you're going through, there is a lesson. It's on you to figure it out. Yeah. I said, man, I sure wish I, he said, you know what? He said, no, that's not the, that's not the plan. He said that if you knew what it was, you would circumvent the lesson. Right.

He said, no, but you'll figure it out. Yeah. He said, you'll figure it out. And people, when y'all see me, I don't. don't, I don't want y'all to have the wrong impression, but I'm just very guarded now. I'm very, very guarded. I was always on alert, but I'm on high alert because I really don't know who I can really trust. Because what I've seen over the last six months,

there are very few people that you can actually trust. Yeah. Come on that. Yeah. Very, very few. And there are people that said some things, and it's gotten back to me. But I was like, wow.

And you remember we had this conversation, Ocho, about being down and then people feel that they can pile on. Yeah. But I'm just very, I'm very matter of fact, I'm very, hey, how you doing? It's nice to meet you. I'm going about, I'm on my way.

Yeah. I'm on my way, because I don't want people, yeah, I had a conversation and chef, because if you stay too long, Oh, Cho, the more people, and this is what I had to learn, and somebody told me this, they say, Shannon, the more people you become involved with, the more stories there is to be told.

Circle got to be crazy small. The more people you're involved with, Shanna, the more stories there are to be told. Okay. I like that. I didn't know what was going to happen. I appreciate you, Ocho, because you're like, hey, when you text me, Unk, I'm with you.

Yeah. Whatever we got to go through, we're going through it. You ain't by yourself. To the wheels fall the fuck off. Shit, you gave me the opportunity. There are so many people, Ocho and Joe, where I'm going? That used to call, that used to text.

Yeah. I ain't heard from them since this happened. But that's all right, though. That's all right, though. Man, please. Yeah, keep it moving, baby. Maybe this is what I don't wish this on anybody. But what it did do is it really showed me who's really, really there.

Right. There are a lot of people on the periphery. When things were going well, we're at the 18. and getting invited to everything. Yeah. I'm talking about ain't called. Ain't called. And I'm talking about we were talking

once a month, twice a month. Right. Are we going to come back? But I see. Yeah. And, you know, I think about too, Unk and Joe, you had to think about, you know, Unk, what you had to go through.

You know, I've been. and I had that storm too now. Mm-hmm. Big time in front of the world. Yeah. So I had to take my legs. I had to take my legs. You got it.

And I had a, hey, Joe, what them call, stop? Ain't hurt to nobody. My circle was always small. So my same, my same circle was right there, you know, to lift me up, but I already knew I often sit for a minute.

Yeah. For a long time, Joe, I had a, it was quiet up for maybe six years. Yeah. Well, you know how. How long six years is? Hell yeah. Nothing coming.

No, nothing. You just, I'm, and then here we go. You give me an opportunity, you know, why everything is backgoing, motion is going, is going good. Yeah. And then you think I had a nerd to jump ship just because you're going through what I had to go through years ago. What the fuck I'm going?

I know it. I know what it's like. Yeah. And I'm looking at the chat. Everybody says, Steve, and they know, will say this, Stephen A has called me and been there every step of the way. I will say that. I will say Stephen A have reached out. He's called, asked me anything. Juvie, he's like, man, Juvie just wanted to say, hey, that's his boy. He just wanted to say, hey, you good.

Hey, um, you good? I'm good. I'm good. Look, I know a lot of people say a lot of things about Stephen A. All I can attest to is the way Stephen A is with Shannon. And he's been great. Because when I went through what I was going through at Fox, he was there. When I was going through what is this, he was calling anything I can do. What can I do?

I won't get into private conversations that we have because that's between he and I. Right. But there are a lot of other people, a lot. Well, I shouldn't say a lot, a lot of the parts of land. There were a few, Quite a few. But you know what? I was,

I've been down before. This public lashing and ridicule and scorn and humiliation. Thank you, lumps. But it took me a while to realize, like, hold on. You call the people that you're closest to, brother, mom, sister, kids. best friend bucket burns you explaining them what they say bro we good once i got once i got to that ohcho you and i talked about this man look it is what it is i'm gonna be all right

i ain't i ain't i ain't want to hear we good sunshine follows rain what what time what's how the next show Joe, that's all I want to know. Once for time is the next show. That's exactly what he's saying. He did. Merry Christmas. Whatever you celebrate, be it Christmas, be a Hanukkah,

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