Nightcap - Best of Indiana CFP Title Run Part 2: Fernando Mendoza MAGIC, Mikail Kamara & Elijah Sarratt join the show!

Episode Date: January 25, 2026

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson deliver the best moments from the College Football Playoff, breaking down this historic 12-team CFP. Unc and Ocho highlight Indiana quarterback Fernando Mendoza’s legendary run that turned him into a college football icon, leading the Hoosiers to a National Championship victory over Carson Beck and the Miami Hurricanes. Subscribe to Nightcap presented by PrizePicks so you don’t miss out on any new drops! Download the PrizePicks app today and use code SHANNON to get $50 in lineups after you play your first $5 lineup! Visit https://prizepicks.onelink.me/LME0/NI... 0:00 - Indiana WR Elijah Sarratt joins the show11:18 - Miami Def. Miami to become 16-0 National Champions34:57 - Indiana DL Mikail Kamara joins the show46:16 - What should the Raiders draft Fernando Mendoza with the #1 overall pick? (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Apple Podcasts or whatever you get your podcast. We got a very special guest joining us. Elijah! Why would they do, boy? Where are you at, wait? I ain't still in the crib right now, right now. Okay, okay, okay. Over the course of this career,

it's time, Kirk Signetti at James Madison. He had 239 catches, 3,650 yards, 44 touchdown. And the 5622 beatdown of the Ducks, I ain't never saw that much duck poop in a long time. And I've been from the country. And I know about duck ponds. I ain't never seen that much duck poop spraying out all over the field. Seven reception, 75 yards and two touchdowns.

Elijah, let me ask you this. Watching you guys, it didn't start out the season. We had Elijah on early this year. I mean, DeAngelo Ponds, we had him on, took the playback. But watching you guys say like the last four to five weeks of the season, yourself, Becker, the other guys, You guys do a great job of high point in the football. You guys do a great job of catching the ball in your hands.

Y'all don't drop ish. What do you contribute that? Mendoza was dropping dimes last night. But a lot of times, I mean, I mean, the guy got eight touchdowns and five incompletious. What would you attribute your success, you guys, of catching at the rate of which you guys catching? Yeah, first, like you just said, my boy, my boy, Fernando, he put that thing on the money every single time.

but dropped down nine times out of 10. And then it's just the work we put in, weekend and week out for real, for real. Coach Shannie, my receiver coach, do a great job emphasizing who we bigger guys. So you know, use our body, use our hands, man. So nine times out of 10 corners are usually not as big as me. You know, I don't come around someone who's same size as me all the time.

Like, just using my hands, man. That's what makes me good. Like I pride myself on reaching out. Even if someone on me, I tell my quarterback, my receiver's tell my quarterback, back we're comfortable with making catches with God's honor. So it's just that attitude. And then we get a lot of working after practice on the jug.

So really, really a testament to the work we put in. Yeah. Hey, another thing I wanted to ask too, most of the time when you play a team twice, especially in the same season, you're obviously, you're familiar with each other and what you guys like to do. You're familiar with tendencies most of the time. And beating the team twice in one season is very difficult. Now, you understood going to this game, it would be a difficult challenge.

Well, we thought those watching, including myself, I thought it would be a difficult challenge. And if you were going to win that game, you would have to almost play perfect as opposed to how you did last time. Did you think the game would go the way it did this time the second go round? I'm gonna be honest.

I'm always confident in my guys winning. Like, I believe we're gonna win every single game. But like, tell you we was gonna go out there and do that. I mean, that was like kind of surprising, but like. Okay, okay, okay. It was a little bit, but like, yeah, just because you know, they knew,

what we were doing. I knew what they was going to make their adjustments. So they ran a lot of man the first game. So I was in here. And we kind of, we handled it well, all the receivers. So I ain't know if it was going to come out, a run man again. But first play, they line up in my face pressing. So I was like, all right, here we go. I mean, that's when you already know, Ochole, that's one-on-one. That's what you got to have it. You got to have it. Yeah. Oh, y'all play at one-on-one. Don't comfy. Yeah, if you can't win at one-on-ones, you're really going to play too much. And play too much ball. So we did a good job on handling that for sure.

Elijah, your father gave you the nickname Waffle House because you're always open. You know at Waffle House, I don't know how they are in Indiana, but down south, they begin, they get, get, get, they bump and grind a little bit in there. For sure. For sure, man, they only got too many Waffle House in Indiana. I'm from Virginia, so like, I got to grew up with Waffle Houses around me. So they, I'm used to that. But yeah, you know how to get there late night.

Yeah, oh, yeah, for sure. Absolutely. I really, really, really, though. Let me ask you this. So what's your, what's your meal at Waffle House? Do you get the waffles or do you get the diced and scatters or smothering? Why are you doing it? All-Star breakfasts always nine.

Like, every single time getting that all-star breakfast, waffle, grits, and then some bacon with scrambled eggs. I put the bacon and eggs and the grits. And then. Okay, okay, okay. Okay, you mixing it. Yeah, so my Waffle House order, I get a sauce egg and cheese on raisin. I get a waffle.

And obviously, I get the orange juice. That's it. But that sauce, egg and cheese on Raisin Bread is awesome. For those you in the chat that haven't had it. People be hanging on and talking about it looking a little dirty in there, man. You just got going there, sit down. That's the best place to eat. Hey, best place to eat, hey, when it comes to sole food spots or any mom and pop spots

where it's not all, you know, done up real nice. I don't want a big soul food spot. I want it cramped. Yeah, yes, sir. I want two chairs. That's it. Two chairs. That's the best place to go eat.

And you put me on to a spot, country kitchen down in Indie. I've seen you do a little. Do it slap? Do it slap? My brother. Down there, that thing like that. Yeah. Yeah.

I do not go to Indy without going there. Yeah, they're doing. I call here, send, I'm on my way. Okay, Shanna. Yeah. Oh, man. But I'm looking at you guys. Look, you got one more, you got one more game.

This is the most important game. Well, Ohio State was the most important game. Yes. You took care of that. Alabama was the next important game. You took care of that. The ducks were the next more. But as you go along, as you go further and further,

you know they get more and more importance. You understand you guys got an opportunity to do something. This will be the greatest turnaround in football history. But what you guys were to what you guys are. And it doesn't look like you're slowing down. What's you guys mindset? You are Monday, you are a week away from playing your dreams real life. I don't even know if you could have

realize this when you were coming out of high school, like, man, an opportunity to play for a national championship. Man. Wow. Yeah, it's crazy. It's crazy. It's coming from where I'm from playing the national championship really just blessed. I think a man above allowing me to be in this position.

But really, mindset, the same has been all year. Like, train, treating this game, just like we did in the other game. I know that's, like, a same. But, like, no, it's really, really what we stand on. We got a great group of vets in there that know what our goal was all year. So we're going to go in there. practice all week, stack them days up, lean up to Monday, and then just go to work. I feel like if we put that work in the days before lean up the Monday,

then we'll put ourselves in a good position for sure. Yeah. I don't mean it being your business as far as scheduling concern, in far as when y'all do travel. When you do travel here, are you here ahead of time or you do all the practicing down in Indiana and you come in the day before the game? Yeah, usually coach said he likes to leave as late as possible. But since the bowl games and stuff, we don't left a couple days earlier.

so but we still as long whatever day he can lead the latest that's what day we're going to leave so Thursday Friday we'll have a couple we may have like one or two practices down there but for the most part we're going to try to finish everything before we get down okay they normally probably require you guys to get down there like 48 hours before kickoff they don't want to they'll want the hiccups 13 of your 30 transfers ahead of the 20 24th season came from james madison uh you guys aiden fisher cornerback de angelo pawns yourself i mean What was it about IU of all the places that you potentially could have gone? Indiana?

Yeah, it's crazy. I ain't going to lie. Like, coming out of the border at first, I was, I told myself I was going to go to Indiana. And I want to go down south somewhere a little warm. But just going on my visit up there, you know, I already knew the coach's staff. Strength staff played a big part as well. Derek Owens, I don't know if y'all know him, but he won the best strength coaches in the game. Like, he didn't help me with my body.

we communicate real well. And then my receiver coach, offensive coordinator and coach Shannon is that I know he's going to be able to get me that rock. So it really was the best spot for me, just being comfortable and knowing the scheme and everything. That's dope. What was the pitch? When you went in there, you say, obviously, your first choice wasn't go.

Sometimes the first choice, the best choice is not always the first choice, but it ended up being the best choice. Yeah. What was this pitch? What did he tell you to convince you? I use the place for me. Yeah, so you're going to go on first. You're going to go with Coach Sig off.

You're going to have his feet kicked up. You're going to be sitting back like this chilling. And then you're just like, you know, you know what I do. You know what I'm about. One thing I say, like, what he preaches is what he really stand on. So I appreciate that from Coach Sig. And he was like, man, let's your do it. We won it last day at Jam U.

And I believe we can do the same thing over here. And he's like, I'm going to get you that rock. I'm going to take care of you. So that's really all I needed to hear. I shook his hand. And then we just went from there. Do that man smile? I mean, God, dang.

He's so serious. All he do is got his head on his hip. He writes something down. I don't think he's writing nothing down on that little pad either. I'm just saying that. Don't tell you about I said that. But I don't think he's writing nothing down. Nah, he, uh, how y'all see him?

That's usually how he is. He'll crack you a little smile right now. And the funny thing by him, he'll, like, he'll, like, yell at you. Uh, and then try to you a little smirk after they, like, we're all cool and all. But now, he rarely smiles, though. He rarely smiles. Wow. I got one request.

Being that y'all coming here to my hometown in Miami, if y'all get here early enough, I'm not sure when it will be. I need to, I would love the opportunity to meet the receiver group. Meet your receiver coach if it's a possibility. I just want to meet y'all, man, shake some hands, take some pitches.

I'm going to be a groupie, you know, because I ain't really won too much. So I just want to be around winners for a change. So if we can make that possible, know let me know you know that that's pretty much it that's all I got over the night I got a request then I got I'll be seeing a workshop that you be doing and all that uh come on I get down there one time I get so go work in you can learn some jiz man man let's go all all the young NFL all the veterans young NFL receivers everybody be down to the wide receiver workshop yeah in uh July

so so come on down there my agent he brought I think Cortland Sutton down there yeah big big set was up there yes sir man you you more than welcome man most definitely you more than and welcome. Man, come out there, politic, man, talk, talk the game, you know, talk some of things you might struggle with that we can't see that you know you need to work on.

And we have a good time. Yeah, for sure. Elijah, man, congratulations on the unbelievable season. Continued success. Stay healthy. You got one more game. One more. And, hey, that,

and once you win a championship, you will forever be a champion. No matter what happens, and it's always great to be the first. This class is, they'll remember this class. because you guys were the first in a very long time to win a Big Ten championship

you guys would be the first to win a national championship and bro, hey, you're a mortal, your legends forever. So best of luck, congratulations, and we'll see you down the road. We look forward to seeing you at the Y-R-R-Rceiver workshop. I appreciate y'all. For real, for real, for real. Much love. Appreciate y'all.

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Apple Podcast or whatever you get your podcast. Indiana. The Indiana Hoosio, they did it. They won the national championship. My cousin. Who got that pick, Ocho? My cousin. Jambari Sharp.

Hey, man, you don't know him, man. You don't know, now he ain't my cousin. Now he ain't my cousin. You ain't no kin to him. You know, we, hey, where are you from, man? Where are you from? He's sharp. That's all you need to know.

Hey, actually, he's from Miami. He's from, he from down here. I got some relatives down there. No, you don't. I know. I know I got relatives down there. down there and Cocoa Beach all down there down there, Cocoa Beach, yeah. Coco Beach.

Yeah. Ain't none of us down in no Coco Beach. Whoa, whoa, y'all, hold on. It ain't like y'all inhabited like y'all landed on Miami. The Johnson's, so now you, not all y'all Johnson's in Miami. Yeah, listen, flowers, Johnson, Rose, Franklin. Yeah, we dominate down here in the side in Miami. A matter of fact, I might be wrong.

I'm asking probably to check that. I think he is from Florida. Ask him if you could check that. You got a fact check before people jump on top of my head now. No, Jamari Sharp. Jamari Sharp. I think he is. Jamari Sharp, he undercutter deep rock.

I don't know. I don't know if Beck was thinking he was going to back shoulder him or what because the receiver kept right? Yeah. You came back shoulder that and the safety roll. In the middle of the field, you got to be a sideline throw. He got to let that go. He got to let it go.

Oh, he went to my, he went to, Northwest and he is from Miami. He went to school with him. He went, that's Teddy Bridgewater. Yeah. I knew him from the career. But they won the national championship after what we thought, many thought was a Cinderella season last year.

They won up last year. They won up the first team. Aren't they the first team to go a perfect 16 and no? No team has ever won 16 games. I think the most was 15. Clemson won 15 and I think LSU won 15. But now you got the college football playoffs. now plus they won the Big Ten

championship and they won three games in the college and the playoffs. Now here we are, we have a team that's won 16 games. That's crazy. Kurt Signetti, take a bow. What you've been able to do with this program in a short span of two years? Yes. Nobody

can boast what they've done. Look, I understand that there have been some programs of turnarounds but not like this, Ocho. No, not that fast. Let's talk about the game and we'll talk about the program of the lunch. Let me get Mendoza's stat. Mendoza was 16 of 27, 186. Klon Black was 17 of 79.

Roman Henry was 19 of 60, so they ran the ball 43 times for a buck 32. Carson Beck was 19 of 32, 2.32, one touchdown, one of the session. Mark Fletcher Jr. continued his hot street. 17 carries a buck 12 and two touchdowns. He took off that long 57-yard run to get him back in the game. Malacotoni, 10 catches, a buck, $2. two and a touchdown.

Let's take Indiana first and then we'll talk about Miami. Hey. Go ahead. Take it away. That goddamn. Listen, Fernando Mendoza, Unk,

I had an opportunity to see him in high school down here at Columbus High School. He was good. I didn't know he would turn out to be what he is now. Cuban American, obviously his parents are from Cuba, his grandparents are from Cuba. And I'm not sure. Is he,

obviously he would be the first highson winner to be Cuban American born, right? No. I mean, if he would be the first, maybe the first Cuban quarterback to actually win also a national championship. I mean, he put that team on his back, when they had to have it. That fourth down, that was four down,

that quarterback sneak? Yes, quarterback draw. How in the hell, who called? You talk about a ballsy call? That's signet. Hey, listen, that's the one thing you don't expect with as far as they have to go to score. I wouldn't expect in that.

Oh, Joe, it's fourth and five. You're not even expecting them to go for it. My point is that. Let alone the play that they call. Listen, listen, that was the great play Mendoza right there. When he got that ball and took off that moment in his effort to make sure I'm going to score by any means necessary and jumping and diving and just, you know, putting his body itself in harm's way, putting the ball in harm's way just to get that touchdown. That lets you know how much this game meant to him.

to ensure that they did win the game. Oh, Cho, when you, and I tweeted, I said, that call, forget, okay, you go for it on fourth down and you're in a dog fight and you know you really haven't been able to stop Miami in the second half. So you know you're in a dog fight and points it at a premium. Yes. So the mere fact that he went for it and then the play that he called to go to get it, I say, man, Sidney, a Cigs walking around with pumpkins. Heavy. Heavy. That's slightly disrespectful.

As good as the hurricane defense played tonight, obviously they were a bend but don't break defense. You're going to make some plays, obviously, in the air on the ground. You're going to have some plays. But to call that on fourth and four, fourth and five, and expect to get it as, especially with that front four? I mean, come on, man. That was a great call.

That was a gutsy call. Very, very gutsy. Uh, Ocho For, this is the distance. For me, it was the distance. Fourth and one, Ocho, I ain't got a problem with that. I get it. I get it, yes. We, we, I think you and I agree with you to that.

Fourth and one, yes. Ocho, that's fourth and five. Fourth and five. And then the play in which he called, nobody saw this coming because you're like, hey, this ain't no running down. And then for him, he breaks a tackle. He runs into a, another guy. Now, he's got the first out at that point.

He said, but I ain't satisfied. I'm greedy. I'm going to get sweet steaks. I've already got the first. Let me, and he lays out, he knows he's going to take it. And then he brings him back in, he takes the shot in the back. That was a hell of a call. Very.

I don't want to be a coach, but I just know this. I ain't going for it on no fourth and five in that situation. I'm taking that damn field goal. I'm just, I'm just being honest. I'm taking the field goal. And I think a lot of other people, would have taken the field goal on fourth and five. And I'm going to trust my defense. My defense has played well all night.

I'm going to trust my defense and let them finish the game off. But, man, that was nice. Man, those have played really well. God damn. Cooper was balled. He had five for 71. Malachi Tony did what he could offensively. They kind of kept him bottled up, especially in the first half.

He got alive and they put Malachi in position to make some plays in the second half. But it was. wasn't enough. Carson Beck on that throw, I wish he would let it out, let it go. I'm talking about it. Let it go. Let it out there. It was almost like a cover two look in the sense. The corner stayed outside, knowing he had help on the inside. So the receiver was kind of sandwich. He was kind of sandwiched in a sense. I'm not sure why Beck chose to go that way. And it's got, oh, Joe, it's got to be one of those, it's got to be over here. Because that safety's coming now. Oh, yeah, he's coming. Yeah. He's coming. Because if you, if you, if you

just throw it in the line in which he's on, it's going to be a collision and he's going to have to hold on to it. I would have preferred, like you said, lead him, but I'll lead him over here. Because if I leave it right here, that safety is going to bust his head. And the simple fact, the DB was very smart. The DB was very smart on that. At the snap of the ball, he purposely used the sideline as his friend and widen all the way out so the receiver had no choice but to go inside.

But release inside, yes. So the receiver reached inside. And it made it, it put the, they put the goddamn safe. right in position where he wanted to be. The only way the receiver had a chance to make a play is if Beck let that thing go all the way out there, like, similar to like a Randy Moss,

a Tom Brady to Randy Moss type throw. I'm letting them as far as I can. And knowing what they do, we threw the goal ball 42 and 4. The ball was 42 yards, yards, four yards from the sideline. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Y'all had the red line back in?

So I don't know, also, some people, Some people is 44 and three. I don't know, but I'm just saying the way we did it, it's 42 and four. It's the same. 42 yards deep, four yards. Is that the way? Yeah, it's the same. It's the same.

Y'all had the red line too back then? Yeah. Y'all had the red line on? What did you say, Ocho? Y'all had the red line. You know, we had the red line painted on the practice field to let the receivers know the state that when you stack, you want to stack and stay on that red line, which was four yards from the sideline. Ocho, I don't care where you release.

You can release it in there by the center. All I know is when that, when the ball, John's going to let the ball go, it's going to be 42 and 4. Yeah. So if you want to release inside, if you want to run a shallow cross and then get back out there. I don't care. Mike didn't care. Mike said you can release inside. You take the best release.

But at the end of the day, I need you 42 and 4. And like you said, a job immediately, if I get you, I'm stacking you. I'm not just going to run and then hope. No, no, no, no. I'm going to stack your ass because now I can't have John to always have to make a perfect throw. Because if you don't stack him and you let that guy be in his hip, there's only one place John can throw it's going to probably be a completion. And it's over here.

Over here. Because if he put it like here, he's going to chop. Yeah. So I want him, kind of like what Marvin Mills did. And if I have to slow down, you're going to have to come through me to get this ball. Yeah. Ocho, I thought they let him play tonight. Man, Miami was real handsy.

Oh, yeah. They were, they let a play. Hey, listen. I don't think they called a P.I. the whole night. No, no, they did. Maybe I missed something. Listen, they played it fair, though.

They played it fair. Not only did they let them play, they were very hansy. And obviously, I see that as, that as a part of football. So they were hansy, but none of the handsiness impeded the receiver and being able to make a play. The time was, well, I thought on some of those stop rots. I was like, oh, my goodness. Hey, hold on, hold on.

Did you see at the beginning of the game, number five for Indiana? Yeah, a pond. Boy? Hey, hey, he nice. Oh, yeah, he quick. Hey, he's very Denzel Ward-like. Yeah, he's quick. He got quick feet.

Yeah, yeah, I wasn't able to watch him the whole game, but just this technique and what he was able to do in that first play, I was like, okay, they got something out there. I say, it's going to be a long night in the passing game. And I don't have the stats in front of me, but if you look at how many yards, the goddamn hurricanes had at halftime, I understood it was going to be a long goddamn day. Yeah.

I mean, they gave up a block put forward for a touchdown. You let them convert. I think they converted, let me see. I know they, I think they conferred it two fourth downs on that one drive. Now, I'm not sure how. And I think, didn't that say that was the first time they had gone for the fourth down in the college football playoffs? So in three games, just about everybody else was going for them on fourth down.

They've been so efficient. They didn't need to. They figured to getting everything they needed on first, second, and third down. three of 11. Okay, IU went for two, they're two for two on fourth down. Indiana, you know, I'm excuse me, UM, three of 11 on third down, Ocho.

That didn't help. IU was six or 15. They're normally a lot better than that. Pillarly seven for 65, 38, one turnover. And Indiana dominated time of possession, over 36 minutes to a little under 24 minutes for the, for the, the, uh, the, uh, the, the, uh, the Keynes. Um, but when you look at what signet has been able to do, he came from, if I'm not mistaken, he was on the staff with,

you remember now, Ocho, he was on the staff with, with Coach Saban. He was even, he too, yes. And everybody come from up under that tree always has success wherever they go. Heardt, Lain Kiffin, uh, Loxley, uh, Dan Lany. Uh, Ocho, when you see that, when you see his, tree. Ain't nobody in college football has ever had a tree like coach Saban. Yeah.

You heard what I just said. Yeah. Who else was there? The guy that was at Florida, the head coach at Florida, he was there. If I'm not mistaken, I think he was the receiver's coach. Oh, Cristobo was also on that staff. Christopher too? Yes. He was the old line coach. Dan Landon

was a grader assistant. Kirby Smart was the D coordinator. Mel Tucker was the D.B coach. Lockley was there with the quarterbacks coach all of them yes all of it was there it's so funny everybody that's come under that case you're everybody that's come under that

coaching umbrella up underneath Nick Saban has had success everywhere they went had some type of success everywhere they went Ocho what look I understand like some programs have been down like what Jim Harbaugh was able to do with Michigan but Michigan has always

been Michigan yes we know them from coach Schembeckler although they never won a national championship, but he always had them in contention. Yes. So what Jim Harbaugh was able to do, revitalize a once-dominant program. Indiana, their first Big Ten title in 58 years, I wasn't born the last time they won a Big Ten championship.

The first undefeated season in 80 years. My mom was three years old. The first Hoosier to win a Hizman trophy, the first ever national champion. first ever number one ranking and probably Mendoza is probably going to be the first number one overall pick from IU.

Absolutely. Indiana, National Championship included just eight four and five star recruits while Miami had 45, four and five star recruits. If you go look at their program, what they did, they took a lot of guys from lower levels, James Madison,

that situation, and brought them in. Guys that are already, proven that's already played at the college level. Damn that potential, y'all might be good. Already know I've seen what you did at that level. Come on. Yeah.

Because we heard, remember we had Serato here. He said, hey, I played with him at J.M. He said, you know what I'm about. Yeah. Let's go get it done. And those guys came there. This is the most impressive thing that I've ever seen in college football. What, how he was able to turn that program around so fast?

Yes. Because even if you look at Auburn, Auburn is, look, Auburn has had players. They had bow. and they had guys Ronnie Brown and Cadillac Williams. They've had players. Andre Bruce was the number one overall pick in 1988. They've had players.

What? And prior to Cam, they had their Hizman trophy winners. Bo won the Housman. I think they had a nut. Bo might have been to all the, maybe Pat Sullivan. I think didn't Pat Sullivan win the Hizman trophy? If I'm not mistaken, I think Pat Sullivan,

they might have only two, but I think Sullivan won the Hizman trophy. But we've seen nothing like this, Ocho. This is, this is crazy. Yeah. This is crazy what IU was able to do. Yeah, in such a short amount of time. And now with the college football playoff, Ocho, well, if such and such had made it,

they wouldn't have beat this team. If that would have did this, they wouldn't have beat that team. I ain't trying to do. They beat Ohio State. They beat Alabama. They beat everybody that you put in front of them, they kick their ass. beat them. Yeah.

Hold on. They beat them convincingly. They didn't just sneak by. It wasn't no controversy. They beat everybody fair and square with no questions. None. None. I don't know.

We ain't got nothing to really talk about. From UM, O-Tor, I thought they got out to a slow start. I thought IU defense was playing a heck of a game. putting pressure on back, and then all of a sudden, they couldn't get any more pressure on back. And I'm like, bro, on 3rd and 15, you bring a corner blitz? That's the time you play zone. Now it's 3rd and 5, 3 and 6, you rush 3 drop 8.

Huh? Oh, Joe, I don't care how many you drop. If you don't put pressure on the quarterback, guys going to find dead areas. Hey, every time, man, it's even easier. zone, zone, if you got you a very smart receiver, understanding scheme and taxes and what you're trying to do defensively, it's easy to find the zone.

It's just pitch and catch, pitch and catch, pitch and catch, get your ass up for you or get down. One of the other. Get out. This was a heck of a game. This is what Nash, that ish, the Ash alma got beat 65 to 7 and all these blowouts that we've had. That ain't what it's supposed to be.

No. It's supposed to be this. You're supposed to be on the, I don't know who's going to win this game on Joe. Right. And matter of fact, you know, I was upset. I wanted to take my son to the game. Obviously, I looked at the tickets, everything, $5,000, $7,000. And I chose not to go to the game.

I told my son, you know, probably the best seat in the house is probably sitting at home watching it from TV. But for those people that were able to go to the game, regardless of the price, this game today, regardless of how much the ticket was, it was worth the price of admission. sure this game was in Miami? Because I saw way more red than I saw green and orange. Are you sure? Are you absolutely certain? Are you willing to put this on your 12 kids that this game was in Miami? The game was in Miami, huh?

So why? Can I tell you why? Yes. Can I tell you why? Yes. Because they priced all the real fans out. They priced all the real fans out. I mean, obviously the fans from Indiana, you know,

hey, some people, you know, took their life savings. They took some money they saved up and they came and bought tickets and hope you. Well, y'all ain't got no life savings? I mean, we do, but we ain't fit to spend it on that. Oh, y'all know what the outcome going to be. Nah, we, we, no. I, you, football. Oh, now, now you're a Hoosier fan all of a sudden.

Hey, oh, don't worry about it. Don't worry about it. Are you a hoot? Hey, you just, I'm going to, hey, you just go on that case. Just order that case. What case? Not what case. Chad, you see what I'm talking about?

I'm going to have to put that pistol in his mouth. Wait, I'm going to ask you, what can't? I don't got no case? I'm going to have to put that fire on you, Ocho. No, I'm asking you honestly, what case? Chad, y'all hear what he's saying, not chat? He's talking about what case. I ain't get in trouble.

You talk about like, when you say case, the only case I know about is like when you got a case. Like, what you mean? I need you to order a case of Laporteur. Oh, man. Oh, I got you. Why you, hey, matter of fact, I'm gonna do it, I'm gonna do it. Hey, hold on, I'm gonna do it right now, matter of fact, I'm gonna do it right now. Tell me how I order.

What I go to, Unk? You ain't got, hey, hold on, you ain't got to do that. I got you, I got you, I promise you, I'm gonna do, I'm gonna order right now. I just, hey, I need the website. What's the website, Unk? I don't want no problems. You heard me? I don't even like guns.

I'm going to order the case right now. I promise you. I got you, twin. I got you. Hey, that's on nightcap. I got you. On Sweet Jesus. On Grandma cookies.

I got you. You know, I keep my word. That one thing about me, I always keep my word now. Unk, you good over there? I got you. Hey, see me the link. Send me the link for La Portier. Hey, you got to learn how to wear your shiksy.

If you're going to wear, you got to make sure can't nobody recognize this. I don't know who unc kills. I don't know who uncills. Who you with, 57 Shikistee? This Shikishti shape. Shikishay, okay, okay, I like that. I like that. I like that.

Yeah. Hey, what's that in your hand? That's a baton or a golf club? I'm about to be 58 Savage. Okay. I got you. Hey, what's the link to the Leporte? I'm for the order right now, and I'm going to see you to receive.

Leportia.com. Hold on. I'm going to do it right now. Hold on. Hey, babe, babe, I know you watching. Do me a favor real quick. Order a case. Go to Loporte.com.

What I got to order on? A case of Leportier. Order a case of Leportier with Chase and then send me the receipt, screenshot and the receipt so I can sit in the aunt real quick. Just to let him know I'm on top of my bets and I don't want no smoke, I don't want no issues, I want everything, I want the transition going into, you know,

Super Bowl, I want that week to be smooth for us. And I don't want no, I'm going to clear my debt. I want problems. Huh? I want problems. Now, I just said, I'm from, I'm going to be. do it. I don't want no smoke. I tried. I tried to be nice. Chat, y'all see? When you try to be nice to somebody, they take advantage of you. I just said I'm going to buy it. I'm paying my

debt. The mere fact that I had to break, you supposed to have already ordered it. Oh, I ain't know you and was going to lose. They lost 30 minutes ago. I know, but it came down to the last drive and I forgot all about the bet we had. But I'm, hey, I'm taking care of it right now, though. You know? Hey, because I respect you and I respect I bet because all I got is my word and if I ain't got my word, I ain't got nothing

and I told you, I told you I'm gonna stick to my bet and I'm ordered me. Let me see it. Let me see it. Let me see it. Let me see if she ordered in the case right now. Hold on. There about to be two cases orders.

The one you order for Leportier and the one, and the one the Miami PD put on me. Oh, now you good, you good, you good. Listen, if you do so to me, I'm gonna tell Miami PD to let you go. But they're gonna catch you anyway because you ain't wearing your mask right. First of all, you owe me still $5,900.

Hold on, hi, if I'm buying the Laporteur. Boy, you're gonna stop. That ain't got nothing to do. Hold on. Hold on. I got an order of La Portier and pay you a $5,900. You sure do. Yeah, boy, you don't have to get that in blood, boy.

Okay. Now, hey, I'm buying La Portier. Hey, hold on, hold on. Let me make sure. Y'all see what this man trying to do? This man tried, this man trying to say, since he's buying a case, the 5900 is wiped out. But I thought that's what we bet on.

The new bet was about the little port to you. Oh, no, no, no, no. Yeah, that was a new bet. The old bet didn't go away. Okay, okay, okay. So the old, okay, I got you on the 5900. And I'm going to bring cash to you at the live show in Santa Clara. A new year doesn't mean erasing who you were.

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app. Apple Podcasts or what? you get your podcast. Okay, we got a very special guest joining us. Joining us from the national champion Indiana Hoosier. He had one of the biggest plays of the game, and it was the difference in the game. Macau Camara. Macau, how are you doing, bro?

I'm doing good. I'm doing good. What's up, bro? Good. And help me walk us through the punt block, because you got a guy that's over you that's going to block you and you got the upback, that he kind of just like turned your loop.

Were you surprised that like, damn, you ain't going to put up no effort? So the punt before that, we was in defense-safed, right? So I kind of, I kind of, like, oozed off the ball. Yeah. And I kind of seen, I was like, I'm a little bit closer to the punter than I thought I would be. So I was like, all right, this next time I got another opportunity, I'm going to really shoot my shot. So this one, I really just got out the ball, and I shot my shot, and then I blocked it. And I was just like, damn, like, this is crazy.

You know what? I got a question, too. Obviously, I've never seen it before. Maybe it's something that they do new in college, MK. But why is it that I see punters now instead of walking straight? Rugby style. Why is he veering off to the right, making it easy for you to block the punt? Is that something new that they do in college?

Or is that been around? That's going to have been around, especially with our special teams coordinator. We used to get a lot of guys from Australia, a lot of, like, rugby style kickers. That's like a big thing in college. Hey, bro, the block punt wasn't only, you know, probably the pivotal moment of the game, but it earned you MVP, defensive MVP. Well, I mean, what that felt like, bro? I mean, what's that like?

It was crazy, especially because, you know, the season has been a lot of, like, ups and downs, especially for my season last year. So just kind of like to put a cherry on top and to end my college career as a national champion, and then as the defense of MVP, it's something only God could have written for me, man. Oh, that got to be the best feeling in the world, man. You got to think, bro, I've been playing football since I was four years old. I've been playing football since I was four years old,

and I've never, ever been in a situation where I've been an MVP or I've won anything like a national championship or a Super Bowl. When you realize, when that clock is zero, you realize y'all won that game, What does that feel? Like, walk me through it so I can feel it too. Because the only thing I ever wanted is, it's fucking madness. I got you, Ocho.

It's like, bro, it's surreal, bro. Like, it doesn't, like, even right now, it doesn't feel real. Like, I'm seeing, like, my Instagram's blown up, my Twitter's blown up. And I'm just, I'm just looking at all the videos, all the clips. And it's just like, it's like, I'm in, like, third person, bro. Like, it doesn't even feel like, like, I'm looking at myself like, like, is somebody else. But it's like, it's me. I made the plays.

I head up that trophy. and it's like it's a feeling that you just, I'm not going to lie, but you might have to put the cleats back on and try to get you on. Hey, you know, I got some eligibility. Oh, I know you do. I know you do.

You come back, hopefully come back and be a Hoosier, bro. Macau, I like it. The last play. Now, it looked like you guys were in cover two. The coverage in the back end. Now, I'm surprised, that Miami, because I think it was a terrible design,

because normally, when you're trying to throw something in the cover too, you gotta have somebody in the flat to control that corner because if there's nobody in the flat, he's gonna keep sinking, plus the safety's zooming over the top. So I don't know, even if he had led him, I'm not so sure to be incomplete, but have been completed past.

When you called, they called this defense, tell me what you were thinking, like, I need to get home, and then all of a sudden you see the ball release. What goes through your mind? Well, first time, I mean, First, I mean, I'll kind of walk you back through just the whole, like, the last series for real. So just like knowing the way, so we kick the field goal.

And I'm like, okay, like, it's time we'll get money. Like, this is like the best, the best feeling of the defensive player. Like, the game is on your hand. Like, this is it. Right? So it's like time we'll get money. And coach pretty much put in, you know, our past Russian substitution. So I was that I got to get home.

I got to get home. So I was rushing. doing my thing and I was getting tired. I'm not going to lie. That's true to be tired. I ain't go wrong. But that last play, so I'm kind of bending the edge and I kind of get pushed and I see the ball. And I'm like, damn, like, oh, like, no, like it can't end like this. And I hear the crowd pop

and I look up and I see sharp with the ball. He took his knee and he's running around and I'm like, bro, we really, we better win this. We better win this. I'm like, oh. That's unbelievable. Yeah, you guys were getting tired. I was surprised that they didn't sub because they just kept letting you guys rush. I said, okay, I know y'all got some other pass rushes.

These guys are tired. After like two, three past rushes, you spent. No, don't get. I mean, we got, unfortunately, my two brothers, they both got hurt, Kellynne White and Stephen Daly. Those are my guys. So it was really, it was kind of me out there. I'm not going on.

I mean, I need my entire game. So I was, I was feeling it, though. But it was like, it's the final game for a storybook ending. Wow. So as the dust settles, it probably hasn't really hit you yet. It's only been a few days since you won a national champion. What's the next process? What's the next steps for you as you prepare for the next journey after college football?

So right now it's right now I'm packing, trying to pack a lot. my apartment and get ready to go, go down the Florida to train. Oh, you coming down here? Orlando. Barbaritos. Marinos. Oh, you're going to be a barbarito?

You said what? I'm going to be training for the draft. You said what? You're going to be training for the draft? Hell yeah. Hell yeah. So. Cowboys.

I'll get you, bro. I mean, I hope any team gets me. You know, there's no, there's no body. I'm just throwing it out there. I'm just throwing out there. We need a nice. a little deep. Oh, let's speak.

Hey, you, you haven't been in Cincinnati? I haven't been to Cincinnati. No. No. Man, listen, we can go ahead

and get your acquainted, man. Hey, hey. Me, Mr. Brown. No, yeah, they ain't what you want. So, so what do you know at the combine?

What are you hoping to run? What are you hoping? What can we expect? Can we expect something, something four or six? Can we expect a, a 10 and a half foot long jump? Can we expect, you know,

something special in the shuttle? What, what can we expect from you? I'm expecting big, big notice for sure. Going down with Pete, Pete's, you know, pretty proven with everyone that he's he's trained. Oh, yeah. So the biggest thing is having to get me healthy, you know, it's been a long, long season.

I'm playing against some good competition. So body's definitely a little bit banged up. But I'm going to go down there and put on the show for sure. What made you decide to go to Indiana? What was it because prior to the last two years, there were the losing this college team in America. Somehow, this is better than Rudy, the ending that you guys had this year. What made you decide to go there?

And what made you think that you guys could actually win it all? Or when did you think you could win it all? So pretty much, so, Coach Sig, pretty much, he got the job at Indiana. This is when I was at JMU. So honestly, before the end of that season, I was already thinking about hitting the portal. And that kind of just made my decision, like, solidified. So I had the portal, and I still didn't really have. have really any offers. I had Indiana. I had Pitt and then I had Cincinnati and it really just

came down to playing in the Big Ten, like Big Ten or ACC I was down. I'm playing the Big Ten. So, but knowing the whole history of Indiana, I was like, no, out of all the teams you decided to go to, it's, it's in. And we put up there in Bloomington, you know, it's cold. So we put up there in Indiana, it's January. I get there and it's like two, three feet of snow. I'm like, dude, what am I doing? But then we went through the whole process. We got to the, to, I always talked about the Maryland game last year. Maryland game was kind of like a real pivotal moment.

That's kind of when we realized individually that we could play at this level. Then the home win against Michigan was huge. That's when we kind of realized as a team who we were. And then it kind of not shattered, but when we went down to, Ohio State, we realized like, damn, this is a big moment. Like, we lost to them. That stadium was rocking.

Like, when I tell you, I've never played in anything like that, that was rocking. So, but we definitely learned from that. We learned from Notre Dame. And then, you know, all the guys that came back, we kind of had a lot of experience. Then we got a lot of guys at the portal,

who are vets, who played on winning teams. And then this season, we was tried. We went through Oregon. We went through Penn State. We went through Ohio State. We went through Iowa. So those were just some of the big games that kind of made us realize, like, we are one of the top dogs. We are the top dogs for sure.

And then going down, playing, playing SEC, playing Alabama, meeting them the way that we beat it. We was like, dog, like, it's up to us. It's 100% in our hands to drop this ball. And we came up on top. Well, congratulations on McHale on a very unbelievable season. Man, this is. 16 and 0, you're the first team. Well, in this era, in the college football playoff era,

to win 16 games, undefeated, unblemished, outstanding game. That game was on the edge of your seat. You didn't know what was going to happen to the very end. And at the end of the day, you guys stand atop of the mountain. So congratulations to who's your nation out there. And good luck in the draft, man. And come back and talk to us, what's this process is over.

MK, where you from? Virginia. Are you from VA? Okay, okay. How long are you going to be down in Miami? I'm going to be there until in the March. Okay, in the March.

Okay, okay. But you've been a two-suit. I have it. I have it. Okay. Okay. We're going to go grab a little by D. No, I'm probably,

hey, it's business first, but we can handle someone after it. Oh, yeah. Listen, listen, I take care of Benet, too, but you got to eat. But, Kyle, thank you. Thank you so much for joining us, man. Appreciate you.

Congratulations, and we'll see you down the road. Thank you, thank you. McCau-Kamara champion, defensive player of the game and the college football playoff national championship. And now his college dream is realized he's a national champion. And now he goes down to Florida train for the draft and get ready to hopefully put some good numbers and gets drafted really, really high. All right, going back to...

There's been speculation that the Ravens and the... the Ravens and Raiders are discussing, or could end up discussing a trade that would send Lamar Jackson to Las Vegas. There's a feeling out there that the Raiders are going to make a play for Lamar. That's a big splash. If the Raiders, you'd give up all these pieces for Lamar

over drafting Mendoza with the first overall pick. Man, stop playing with my dog like that. This makes no sense to me. Whoever even came up with that report talking about making a splash and making a play for Lamar, man, stop playing, man. Stop playing. The quarterback for the Las Vegas Raiders

will be Fernando Mendoza with the number one overall pick. Okay? Fernando Mendoza's receiver on the right of the left, his ex will probably be George W.B. Pickens. Okay?

Mm-hmm. And that's pretty much it. They're going to revamp everything over there in Las Vegas and that's pretty much it. They definitely need to do something, I don't know what all they're going to do, but they need to do something.

Yeah. Absolutely. The quarterback would definitely help, but I still think there's just so many pieces away, man. They don't really have no wide receivers. Now, if they get George Pickings all that, I mean, you got Brock Bowers, but when I say wire receivers,

we don't, Brock Bowers, when you list Brock Bowers, they have T.E. by the end of his name. Right. When you mention all the McBride, they have T.E. So when we say wide receivers, we're not talking about the tight end. We're talking about the guys that are wide receivers.

they don't have any. Their best one they traded to Jacksonville, I think for a third or a fourth round pick. So they got a pick coming back. Right. I don't know if they have any compensatory picks. But with that being said, they're still a long ways away.

Yeah. They're in the back. They're in the back of the class for a minute because everybody got substantial quarterbacks. You got Mahomes in that division, you got Herbert in that division, and you got Boe Nixon that division. Now, maybe, maybe.

I don't think Max Crowth would be upset if you were to trade him. It all depends on where you're going to trade him. Yeah. And what you can get for him. Oh, you go get a first round pick for it. Yeah, what you can get for him and help you build that team and get some pieces. Because, I mean, with him you lost, so without him you can lose too. So why not?

while he's extremely valuable if you trade him get what you can. Yeah. Get what you can. Yeah. I can't wait to see Pickings in that goddamn black and silver, boy. Huh? Hey, call it. Uncle it. Call it. Call it.

What you want? Blue 17. Blue 17. See it. Hey, um, well, I'm still quick as hell, boy. Yeah, I see that. God damn. And my knees still hurt. Ooh, I feel like I can play.

boy. I could play. You can, man. Nah, I'm talking about, hey, Unk, right now, right now at 58, I'm telling you I can give you four quarters. Third downs. Yeah, change for a dollar. The only four quarter, you do it. Nah, no, no, no, I'm telling you. Put me out, put me out.

Now, you know how competitive I am. Yes. Man, man, I wish we all still competitive in our very own minds. Yeah, give me, give me opportunity to get on that field right now. Man, I sauce these little young dudes up, man. They don't understand. It's different here, boy. First time you go full out, you're going to pull a half-string.

I'll tell your half-string, smooth out the bone. I play soccer every weekend full out. Oh, Joe, you ain't running no full speed to try to get no balls. You have to, it's 11-11, unc. It's not the little field. I don't care nothing about that. I'm ready, boy. Stay out of the field.

Hey, hey, you're talking about, man, too, poor or something. Look, hey, my knee's good, but? You de'all, Ocho. Hey, I'm flexible, too. Look at that joke. Stiffing on the fence posts. Huh? That joke was stiffing to the fence post.

Oh, man, look at it. Nah, you better stay on the sideline would be, man. Still on the sideline would be. Ocho, Joe Burrow hasn't treated in two years. This is what he treated today. The amount of people that don't understand what a catch is in the rule book flabbergats me, and it's not the official.

The two plays yesterday were not difficult cause. They got them both right. Yeah, listen, you was right. You was right. They're talking about the Hutchison play. The Hutchinson play, do y'all realize that he caught the ball, took off running, his knee touch, and then Gonzales popped it out? As opposed to a guy that just dropped to the ground,

and in the process, J-Mack, I mean, y'all thought, do those plays look the same to you? One guy was a runner, his knee goes down. Hutch was a runner. Which game was these tweets referring to, huh? He's talking about the play in Denver and to play in Houston. Remember when Gonzales popped it out of Hutch? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Hutch ran, Ocho. Yeah. He was running. And in the process of getting ready to go down, his knee hits. That's different than you catching the ball and going straight down. Yeah. Because the question is, let me ask you this. If he catches that ball and he goes straight down and it pops out, what is it?

Fumbo. It's incomplete. Incomplete unless you make a football move. You got to make a football move. Just. You keep saying, well, what about likely? Likely is in the end zone. In order for it to be rude to catch, they got three steps.

If you go look before that first step hit down, the guy ripped it out. Just go look. You can see they slowed it down. Even, was that a Sunday night game? Yes. Sunday night game. You can see. He goes one, two, and the third is about the Pittsburgh guy pulled it out.

As a matter of thinking, it was JP2. He pulled it out. Yeah. They're totally different plays. Brandon Cooks didn't take a, he goes straight down. And I knew what happened. He showed him the ball, locho. He said he showed me the ball.

And I know if he showed me the ball, he got to break it down. Ain't no way he going to hold it up here. So in the process of. bringing it down trying to put it to his body. He got out of there. You go see his hand, this the ball, Ocho, his hands are right there. Mm-hmm.

Bring it to me. He brought it right to him. Devonte ran. And is he hit? We're moving on. Your team lost. If you used for Buffalo, your team lost.

If used for Chicago, your team lost. Now, go argue with you. Go argue in the echo chamber. And who? Echo Chamber. Oh, man. According to Ian O'Connor, the contract holdup between John Harbaugh and the Giants

sent around reporting structure. Harbaugh needed in writing that he would report directly to owner John Mara, not GM, Joe Shine. A Harbaugh reported directly to ownership in Baltimore, but that has not been the structure with the Giants. Shone recused himself from negotiations over the last couple of days. Look, he had that set up in Baltimore. Right. Once it's hard, Ocho, once you've been in a position and this is what you're used to for you to go any other way.

That's why I think it'll be hard for Coach Belichick. Coach Belichick had total autonomy. The only person he reported to was Mr. Kraft. And Mr. Kraft, for the most part, there's only one decision that Mr. Kraft says, okay, and that was to keep Brady and get rid of Garapolo. other than that, he sided with Coach Belichick on everything. Even when the rubber needed to meet the road at the end of 20 years,

he said, okay, Billy. Damn. So I think it'd be very hard. I'm not saying it's impossible, but it'll be hard that you got to report to a general manager, you're not in charge of the 53, you're not in charge of the draft,

you're not in charge of free agency. Oh, should that be extremely, when you've had that counter control for 20 years? Yeah. And listen, I told you, I told you, see, now, now that this is going on and they're having some tug of war in the language that's in the contract, now what's the chance of him pulling out of that and going over to Buffalo?

But I think they got it done now. I said, I think that was a problem, but I think that language did get into the contract. Okay, okay, okay. Sean, he recused himself. So I think the contract's done now, Ocho. Okay. But you see what he did, Ocho? Get it in writing.

I ain't taking your word for nothing because you see, oh yeah, that'll be no problem. And then all of a sudden, no, you got to go through it. No, see? Get it in writing. Yeah, they'll play with you now. Yeah. A new year doesn't ask us to become someone new.

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