Nightcap - Best of NBA News Part 1: Bam Adebayo & Tyler Herro THROW HANDS + Wemby takes PAY CUT + Draymond Green with more BEEF

Episode Date: July 15, 2026

Shannon Sharpe, Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson, and Joe "King Iso" Johnson bring you the Best of NBA on Nightcap! The crew reacts to another action-packed week around the NBA, including Bam Adebayo and Tyler Herro reportedly getting into a fight in Las Vegas, Victor Wembanyama taking a massive pay cut in his Spurs extension, and Draymond Green calling out Udonis Haslem Subscribe to Nightcap presented by PrizePicks so you don’t miss out on any new drops! Download the PrizePicks app today and use code SHANNON to get $50 in lineups after you play your first $5 lineup! Visit https://prizepicks.onelink.me/LME0/NI... 0:00 - Bam Adebayo and Tyler Herro fight in Vegas21:45 - Wemby takes massive pay cut in Spurs extension48:29 - Draymond Green calls out Udonis Haslem (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Warma Heat teammates, bam out of bio, Tile Hero got into a physical altercation at a practice court on Las Vegas Friday morning during the Bam allegedly punched Hero in the face. It started when Bam approached Hero about the comments he made on social media after a seven-year run as teammates in Miami ended with Hero being traded

to Milwaukee. Here's what Tyler allegedly said about Bam. You should get paid $60 million to be a top-tier defender on some nights. I'm just wondering. I'm just saying should an elite defender be making $60 million a year?

answer that. If I'm healthy, I'm the one who needs help. Who did Cleveland prioritize taking away in the playoffs? When I'm healthy, I need help. Not the other guy. Hey, whoa. This doesn't look, everybody has this nice persona. They see him.

He got a nice little late. He got a night lady. He's in Asia. Great couple. Great couple. Bam, don't seem to bother anybody. But you kind of knew. this would be a problem.

Every man has a breaking point, don't you? I don't care what it is. Yeah. Every person has a breaking point. What you try to do is not get there. This, because here's the thing, I saw an interview that said, if someone was to have your back, they asked Tyler Hero. He said, bam.

Now, I don't know if they crossed paths, but they both went to Kentucky, if I'm not mistaken, right? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Okay. Okay. Yeah. So now we're looking at a situation like, You said if anybody's going to have my back, it's going to be bam.

And then you turn around and you say this about bam. So bam, we try to figure out, look, what's really going on? No, I don't like that answer. Pop. Absolutely. Yeah, ain't, ain't, ain't, ain't talking. I ain't, I know they got into a physical organization. From what I'm here, does it happen at the basketball court at Resorts World?

I guess, I guess Tyler was there with his AAU team. That's not about right, Joe? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, man, hey, hey, hey, listen, I like Tyler here. I like his swag. I like everything about him. But that's one thing, hey, bro, you go to talking about guys.

Some of them dudes gonna make you eat them words you're talking about. And especially talking about his pockets, because you basically talk about like he don't need it. Yeah.

So, hey, hey, hey, keep your mouth shut, keep my name, my Jamal. You know what I'm talking about? So, hey, Bam, Bam ain't playing that, man. Yeah.

Why do you think you got the name Bam? Yeah. What do you think you got the name Bam for? Damn, man. But also We got a conversation, though. What's that? We talk about it now.

I'm good now. I'm just saying, I know they had an altercation, but I'm just saying, Cool ahead, Cool ahead. Who are you talking about it now? Nah. Listen, maybe a apology from Hero saying,

listen, I said some things that shouldn't have said. Listen, we're going to have to cross paths for a very long time. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

I might whip your ass every time I see you, too. Hey, hey. Hey. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. They need to squash that, though. They need to squash that.

But you got to take into consideration, Uncle Ocho. The man got traded. Emotions are high, so we know his logic going to be pretty low. He probably said some things that he probably shouldn't have said or probably wish he wouldn't have said. But, hell, once you put it out there, ain't no taking it back, bro.

Yeah. You got to stand on it. You got to be careful sending people stuff in the DM. Because guess what? When they get mad, where they're going to do? Screenshot it for the world of sea. Yep. Oh.

Wait, oh, he didn't type that publicly? Ash, was this public or was it, was it something in the, oh. Why would he post? Oh, he posted for the other person. Hey. So Tyler Hero posted what he said about Bab and not the guy that he posts, not the guy that he was talking to in the deal. Wow.

What, what? Everybody got burning accounts now? What's going on? Basically. Basically. I ain't got no. I ain't got no. got no burner, Joe.

Everybody got burners account and fister. You got a fister. What's that? Fake Instagram. Why would you need a fake Instagram? The same reason you have a burner. Well, they got an image to uphold. Like, I'm already, I'm known for being crazy and saying crazy stuff, so I don't need a fenced or a burr

I don't. I don't know what a dude was thinking. I really don't, I don't know why top. I don't know, like I said, that's your former teammate. and I get it. You're upset because, like Joe said, the motions are high. You're getting traded. You didn't want to leave Miami.

I mean, to leave Miami with no state income tax in nice weather year-round, I'm going back to Milwaukee. Hey, yeah, I'm from Milwaukee. I ain't trying to live there. I mean, he's from Wisconsin. I'm not going to say Milwaukee. I guess he grew up about 35, 40 minutes away from Milwaukee. Yeah.

Hey, hey, he can keep his house in Miami and come visit. in the summer months, but... Yeah, he got a lady, got kids, so, hey, you... Hey, you ain't gonna chase nothing in Milwaukee. Ain't nothing, poppy. Nah.

Ain't nothing poppy. But I think he didn't jump the broom yet. I thought he jumped the broom. I don't think they married. I don't think. Now, don't start me the line. But if I'm not mistaken, I think I saw they had a picture on him

of him at the summer league, I think she was here with him. So I don't, I don't know, Joe. I don't know if they're married, but I'm just saying, you know, he has two kids, but damn, bam was, Bam was on some type of time. And he probably felt me. I know somebody got, I know somebody got it.

Joe, somebody got it on screens. Somebody got it on camera. Camry here probably. He'll come out with it. I got to, I got, I got to play somebody $30,000, $40,000 get that. You think so? I got to talk to the band. I got to talk to him.

I don't know, I don't know, man. You got to simmer down. You can't be coming. You can't be right. They probably just ran into each other. And he probably would just like, you know what I mean? What's there what? Hey, Joe, it's also reported Jimmy Butler and Tyler Hero were both reportedly unhappy

after Bam received a max extension. Jimmy has distanced himself from Bam while a hero talked behind his back and even shared a graphic, a graphic taking shots at him on Instagram. Mark Stein. reported this. Mark Stein says on the report that here's the heat royalty Mickey Erison, Nick Erison,

Pat Riley. He is a modern day Adonis Haslam. They consider him the absolute franchise pillar. I've always heard nothing but he's held in high regard by his teammates. He's untouchable. That part of for sure. He's an extension of Pat Riley

Spow's ownership. He is. And U.D. basically took Bam under his wing. once UD turned down that money to go to Dallas UD was golden UD took less money to stay in Miami Yep UD is

To Miami It's like UD is in Miami What Kobe is to the Lakers Yeah That's how they hold him in that high regard He is he culture And he homegrown And so bam

This slid right in No I'm not saying Because y'all know y'all gonna twist my words I'm not saying UD is the equivalent player. I'm saying the way he looked at, the way he's thought of. Because you know y'all is, man,

uncle out of mind. He'll do anything to glaze for LeBron talking about UD and Kel Cobra the same guys. They're thought of as what they are, not player-wise, the culture, what they symbolize, what we want you to be.

You see how UD showed up every day, worked his ass off. Some days he played, UD might go three, four, five games, ten games, not play. But when they called his name, he was ready to go play. Yes, sir, every time.

Every time. Kobe had, I just want, hey, you play for the Lakers. You put on that purple and glow, you represent. Laker Nation. Yes. You play your ass off.

Ain't no shortcuts around here. Bam is the exact same way. And I can see it. Yeah. I can see it. But bam, a great player, Ocho. Yeah, yeah.

I mean, we talk about timing and guys getting paid. I mean, this is the timing, bro. He's the best player on their team. Obviously, you know, Janice joining, but he can do everything. It's six-nine. He can guard. He can rebound. He can score.

Yeah, the man just scored, what, 75. 83? 83. Yeah, 83 damn, man, come on, man. But you know what the deal, Joe? People got to understand. They paid him. They only paid you what you worth.

That's why I'm saying you. you know, if they valued him as a max player, whether you believe that he's a max player, it doesn't matter. Yeah. What somebody's willing to pay determines the value of said objects that they're paying for. And I hate to put it in that.

I'm just saying, his contract, the heat valued him as a max player. Yeah. They gave him max money. I don't really know what's complicated about that. I don't. Me neither. Hey, and also timing is everything.

Well, the thing is, oh, Joe, think about it. When LeBron, LeBron went back to, if I'm not mistaken, I think LeBron went back to Cleveland. LeBron signed a four-year, $80 million deal. Yeah. That was in 2012. Here we are 14 years later, guys are signing extensions for $70 million. Dude. You can't get mad.

at your time you were a top high paid player i think the thing is people look at it like well if you're not a if you're not a michael jordan or colby or shack or magic how you get in that kind of money it's just a sign of the times and and and the game is what it is hey and and and in the game is growing internationally in a rapid pace man so yes it's going to continue yeah it's going to continue to to be up there man these do the money these do is going to be making man by the time a lot of them done unkoe they're going to be over half a billy oh no no no no if yelkish signs this contract next year five years 355 his career earnings will be 724 um joe in within 10 years somebody's going to sign a five-year

contract for half a bill somebody going to be making a hundred a hundred million a year within 10 years i can see that watch i can see that i can see that i can see that i can see that. I can see it, man. I'm telling you. Crazy. Hey, hey. It's going to, it is what it is. And I get it. Every general, every decade player

like, God almighty, no look at the money they make it. I remember when Magic Johnson signed a lifetime contract a million dollars a year. And that was a lot of money. Yeah. Yeah. A million.

Them dudes scratching their butt with that now. man guys making a million dollars a game damn near for real though yeah guys make it 70 a game yeah guys making 750000 every damn game game came a long way uncle ocho

that's just the same thing with football I remember guys you get a million dollar signing bonus and they thought they hit the lottery now I got why you offer somebody a million dollar signing bonus he better be an undrafted free agent Oh, Joe, you made that jump. I mean, think about the first round of what they're getting. The first round is getting their contract fully guaranteed.

Yes. So the $60 million fully guaranteed, they get you a check, cut you a check 40 million out to rip. It is what it is. I can't get mad at a player. I don't get mad at anybody. I was like, well, hey, well, maybe if I go out here and do my job a little better, they pay me too.

Yeah. That's the way. I look at it. I can't get mad. How I get mad at the player? It should inspire you. He didn't pay his damn self. Now, if he'd paid his damn self,

I was like, now, you know you're wrong for that. Yeah. But he didn't, they gave him that money. Yeah. But all I needed to do was see some of the guys that they were playing,

that they were paying. That's all I need to see, Oh, Joe. I'm better than you. Motivation. Come up. You make $250? Oh, I can't wait to my contract up.

Yeah. Motivation. I can't wait to my contract up, Joe. Hold on. That's the only way to look at it. How much you got? Oh, okay. Motivation.

Hey, facts. Hey, hey, hey, hey, my rookie year, Uncle Ocho, Paul Pierce had just signed for like $96 million. Woo! It was like his fifth, it was. By here, Joe, by you. I think it was more like, it probably about six or seven years, but it was like for $96 million.

And I was a rookie, and boy, listen, I'm like, damn, Paul got $96 million. damn he out here with this little weak-ass jam-stead and you mean telling me he's killing people with this little this little jam step and he I'm talking about he he top three in the NBA and scoring I'm like shh

boy I got to still a little game from him add to my game because hey when it's my time I'm coming through baby Joe my rookie your Joe I made $63,000 I made $63,000 got $22,000 a sign I told Mr. Bowler one time

the owner he passed away, rest your soul, Mr. B. I said, Mr. B, you paid me, you gave my sign of bonus out your back pocket, did you? He didn't talk about Sharper. I said, you did. I said, but that's okay. He said, I think you made up for it over the years. I said, I did.

You were right with me. I said, but I think you think you got a pretty good player too, right? 53,000, Joe, Ocho. Damn. Hey, Uncle Joe. What's up? You know what I think about, too? You know how when you watch Russell Westbrook dribble

or you watch like a Derek rolling dribble and be explosive? Tell me if I'm tripping under comparison. I'm not saying they're the same player. I'm saying they're mannerisms and the way they play. It looks slow and lethargic. The way Luca plays and Paul Pierce. It looked like they're moving in slow motion or am I tripping? No, no.

I'm trying to say. No, you're right. You're right. They got two. The moves always work. In the moves, they always work. Because it's about, it's not about being faster, quicker than you, Ocho,

it's being deceptive and having a quick first step. You know, if you got a quick first step in basketball, bro, you can control the game, meaning you can always get by your defender. You know what I mean? And you're going to always keep the defense in a hucklebug. And you can shoot. See, both of them can shoot.

That's what make them dangerous. know what I mean? Man, I used to watch my rookie year, bro, I watched Paul Pierce score the easiest probably 46 points in his life, just off a catch,

jab, jump shot. I'm like, damn, man, how do they keep falling for this? But you know what I mean? It's like the little simple moves, but you have to perfect them. And man, when I tell you how he had it down to a science,

oh my God. Yeah, but that little bit of money, hey, and you think about it, I got it. $53,000, I mean, $63,000 a year. By the time I'm going to say I'm taking his taxes, I ain't going to bring home about, you know, mid-foughties. Damn, you're still bawling no win.

Tell the truth. Look here. I was first team all-pro, started the Pro Bowl. I went to three pro. Oh, Joe, went to one, two, 92, 93. First team all pro. Led the title, led all, led the team.

I led the team in receiving two straight years, 92-93, let all tight-ins and catch. his yards and touchdowns in 93, made 325, where the first team all pro and started the Pro Bowl for 325. Damn, that was what incentives and all that? Look here, I had incentives from the previous contract, but I started taking incentives out when they didn't get, let me get my, getting that $100,000 because I made $325, so check this out.

Last game of the season I need, I think I need like 121 yards. I get six for 116 in the first half. So I got $9.95 and two touchdowns. I don't catch another pass. Why are you to tell John? Ocho, Joe, I go back out there the next week. I catch 13 for a buck 53 in a touchdown in a playoff game. I told you.

I didn't know it at the time, Ocho. I didn't know. I didn't know. I wasn't one of them guys. There are a lot of guys probably at Halgo look at this stance. Like, oh, man, I got this. Had I known, I probably would. I'd never done that before, but I probably would have.

Because to get a thousand, because the tight ends didn't get a thousand yards back then. It's still a gold standard for a tight end to get a thousand yards. Especially, we ran the ball. You was running the ball. That's why so few tight ends had a thousand yards because everybody ran the ball. Man.

So I took it out. And then they're like, you know, we want to do a contract extension. Man, I'm so happy. I took less, I took less money because I should, I could have, could have got more. But at that time, Joe, I had three kids. I had to be eight. You had to get out you there.

I said, what's your offering? Because I could have been, I could have, if I had just waited and my agent was like, you should wait. I said, I can't wait. I said, man, I got three kids. I don't really know. I said, I would love to wait. And I know they weren't trying to hear that.

I was like, look, I might need y'all to hold. Man, please. Yeah. So I was like, hey, but that's all right. I said, that's all right. I get it. I get back to the table. I get back to the table.

Hey, it probably kept you working hard too. Oh, man. Yeah. Did it? Oh, yeah. But, Joe, I was spending money like I was making a million dollars in the year. Between the kids private school. Yeah.

Between kids private school, Ferrari, big men, sister, hey, buy my sister stuff, you know, hey. Because when I first got to Denver, Ocho, Joe, my girlfriend was in school. I was paying for a hundred. You know, I was sending her money so you could pay for... Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, I was that type of...

That's me, Joe! Yeah, I can see that, man. I know you... I know you a good dude. You know what I mean? Yeah. I can see you doing... Ain't nothing wrong with that, man.

My mom, you know, my mom, like, hey, baby, you know, your mom, your mom, like... I'm like, mom, look, I don't know what you think. I said, but I ain't making spanky-type money. But, hey... Hey, hey, hey, you running through that chick, you got ain't a man. What? Man, please.

You, I had to have a, card signing? Man, I think I signed, what's the car? I think, Ocho, my rookie year, back then they used to send the cards to you, Joe. Yeah. But you know people start, you know how people are, Joe.

They find, let somebody else sign the cards for it and ruin it for everybody. I ain't going to lie, I did that one time, boy. I was a rookie. Okay, Ocho, boy, they had to send me so many cards, but they had paid me a nice chunk of chain. I'm like, man, I ain't nowhere in hell a bed finish all these cards.

I had my cousin signed them card They sent them cars back so quick Man, what is this? Yeah Yeah But uh But no man

Hey Bam Hey I don't I don't condone But I just think the thing You know You felt that type of way

I don't know what You got paid They were upset at you Because every time They turn around You were hurt Tyler And bam Never said the word

Bam never said Well damn man bro Show wish you was out here X Y and Z And that's one of the reasons That I get it You may be because your name always came up.

Yeah. They have met it abundantly clear. Really the only person that was untouchable was Bam. Yep. The only person that's been untouchable for the heat is Bam. Yeah. Right. Rightfully so, though.

There's a reason why. Because he's so dynamic and so versatile, Uncle Ocho. You know you put him with the right squad. Like, they put this great team in Miami that they got going now and they add a couple more pieces. Hey, man. You got to. championship caliber team and he'll be

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That would have, with escalators, would have been $303 million. So are they going to see that on the screen, Ash? So his salaries, 27 is 43, $43,000, $3,3,000. It could have been a tick below $52,000. And then he goes to $4,000. 770, and it could have been 56,0130. And then he goes to $50,240, and it's a tick under $60.3 million. And 31, it goes 53.7 to 64.45.

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Don't put that on us. Don't put that on us on the players. They always do that. And I knew this was going to come because we talked about it with the Jalen Brunson. Yeah. We talked with this is what teams are going to expect from their players. No, bro. Yeah.

Yeah. Everybody's not going to do that, though. Especially teams that are not in a position like the Spurs are. The Spurs are in a perfect position where if you do take a discount, there's a good chance that we can get the finals. But you know how? Players come up, you know, and they are eligible or Supermax. They ain't taking no discount because, hey, we very far.

You know how they're going to paint the picture, though, okay, Ocho. You're selfish? Yep. You know how they're going to paint the picture. They're going to paint the picture just like that. But I think in Wimby's case here, he's going to make so much money off the court here. He's going to make up all that. I'm going to get, because guess what?

I can still get this max contract and still get my money. Because guess what? I guarantee them tickets ain't going to get no cheaper. I know. Even though Wemby took a $50 million here, you think they're going to lower or raise the ticket prices every single year moving forward, though, Joe? Concession. Do you think they're going to raise or lower the concession every single year moving forward, Joe?

Let me ask you a question. NBC, Amazon Prime, ESPN, tell me which one they gave a discount because these players are taking a discount. Right. You're right. Well, it just... We're going to talk about this in a second, Joe, before you go.

You see what the Seattle Seahawks just went for, Joe? Ocho. What they went for? 9.6. He bought the team in 1997 for $194 million. Damn. And that's crazy. Now, if I'm not mistaken, I think it was 2023,

Washington sold for $6 billion. Three years later, an extra $3.6 billion. Now, I want to know, did they say, you know what? I'm going to get your discount on this. I know we worth about 9.6, but I'm going to let you have it for 9.

Sh. You see how they do? And fans are going to eat it up. Fans don't know. Even if the team sacrifices, money, you still going to pay full price. Your PSLs ain't going to go down.

Your playoff tickets, ain't going to price ain't going to go down. Right. But hey, they've, they've, I'm not going to tell a player of what he should or shouldn't do. That's your money. You want to take, you want to give the team a discount?

Give your team a discount. Hey, listen, you got Kat about to get ready to come up. What cat going to do? Kat said, cat said he'd be willing to do it that's what he said but I'm looking at I already got me a ring I would just get rid of saying yeah but you did in New York

you beloved like you I'm going to be beloved in New York too they're going to pay me all my money my money hey but what about the squad though if we pay you all that money we're going to get rid of two guys we might have to let bridges or old

or G a heart of somebody go. We want to keep the band together, though. We're running back, though. They just gave OG five years for 206. Brunson and 28 comes up. He'll be eligible before a 400. I'm just, I don't tell anybody how to live their life. If that's what you want to do, Cat,

if that's what you want to do to keep this thing together, keep it together. But all I'm saying is the owner said he's not going into the second apron. So he ain't willing to sacrifice nothing. But he wants the player to sacrifice. Yeah, yeah. You see? Hey, y'all can hear me?

People knocking on my dope. They're saying you too loud. Yeah, probably. Hey, but you got to be able to, you got to be able to some way somehow help teams that do draft pretty well, Ocho. You know what I mean? Like, it's got to be

something they can help them. Because how do I get punished for drafting well? And obviously, I got to pay all these guys. But damn, it's got to be some type of stipulations to where, It's got to be something in our favor. Well, it's going to be what you call them. OKC going to be faced with this.

Oh, yeah. You think they're going to get them guys a third contract, Joe? Give who a third contract? OKC with Shay and Chad and Jay Dube. So you mean to tell him I'm going to have now, I'm going to have three guys making $300 million? Right. I got three guys there.

I'm going to be a billion. So out of them three, one of them got to go. Absolutely. And before you know it, they're going to whill them down and both of them have to go. Shade is the only, I believe Shays are still the only untouchable. Because think about it, Boston only had two guys making that Super Max money, and they say one of them had to go.

Damn, so they're going to mess around and get J. Dub up. Yeah. But I don't, I, but here's the PA, this is what upsets me about player association, Gocho. Y'all agreed to this. You just did this deal. You agreed to it. You got sellers' remorse now.

You signed up on this because you were so hell bent on making sure teams don't become super teams that you gave this. And you knew the owners, like, I ain't no way in hell. I'm paying for all this.

But what it does, it punishes players that are in line to get Supermax contracts. Now teams get up off of them. Yeah. That's basically what it's, You signed this deal. Terry Cruz, T. Cruz, I've been knowing T Cruz.

He played with my brother. So I've been knowing T Cruz 30 years. When I sat down with him, he said, sharing a lot of people in Hollywood, he said they nod yes, but they mean no. Yes, no. Joe, they just signed this deal, Joe. Yeah.

So unless the owners went back and put these stipulations in there, after the fact, what are we complaining about, Ocho? What are we complaining about, Joe? Joe, this is your feel. Tell me what we're complaining about because you got these $1,500, $2,000 lawyers that can read better than can

and can comprehend better than what you can. Tell me what was added. So with this second apron, did this just come in this year or was it in the CBA that you negotiated? I'm going to be honest with you, Uncle Ocho. I have no damn idea. I don't. But this second April, I know it just started.

You know what I mean? Because now you're having to break these teams up. But I don't know when it came into a play whether it's been two or three years. But I'm just seeing the effects of it. Hold on. I'm going to tell you when it started. However, let's see, say, NBA collective bargaining agreement is set to expire

the end of 2930 season. However, the league and the NBA Players Association have an option to opt out of the agreement one year early by declaring their intentions to do so by 2028. Well, clearly they're going to opt out of it. Yeah. Clearly they're about to opt out of it.

Yeah, but it was put in place to stop them damn super teams. Yes. Yeah, so. Well, I think the thing is, Joe, and I get it. I get it. But the problem that you run into is that when I draft well and my players perform well, you also prevent me from being able to keep them.

Yeah, that's what I'm saying. That's what I'm saying. Like, I don't think a team should be penalized for that. If you draft well and your teams do well or your players over exceed expectations, man, you shouldn't be punished because you can't pay all of them. You know what I mean? Like, there has to be some type of stipulations in there

to where, hell, if I draft you, you know, we should be able to some way somehow keep you and it don't really kill our salary cap like that. The current agreement was ratified by the MBAPA membership in April of 2023. It took FEC July the 1st, 20203. So Joe, oh Joe, they signed off on this. Yeah. They signed off on this.

And what? This bargain agreement about 10 years, right? No, basically it's from 23, July of 23, it was certified, ratified in July. of 2023. So, and it goes until 2030, but you can opt out. If you can opt, you can say, okay, I want to opt out. And so you opt out a year before the ends.

And so in 28, it can be the final year of it. So in other words, everything that's in this contract, Joe, was in there in 23 when they signed it. Yeah. Yeah. But you see what happens, Joe? You look at it like, if I get my max money,

I don't care where I get it from. As long as I get my max money, whether I get it from OKC, whether I get it from Golden State, whether I get it from the Knicks. As long as I get $2.50, as long as I get $3.50, I don't care who give it to me.

Until you get on the team to have success. You're like, hold on, wait a minute. We're not going to be able to stay together. Because there's no middle ground. There's no in between. It's either you get the max contract or you almost getting peanuts. You feel me?

And that's kind of how it is. So, hey, man, they put them figures in front of them, boys. tell him, man. I don't know. Ocho, we know firsthand. Because guys, because guys, like, everybody, it's the players joke, because you know there's only a certain amount of people

that's going to make the Supermax. Just like Ocho and I know, there's only a certain amount of people that's going to get the $100 million to $200 million contracts in the NFL. It's those guys that there are more guys that's going to, that's not going to make that, than the guys that are. And those guys that are not, those are the ones, they're like, man, hey, bro, you

you already got $200 million in the business. bank. I'm year to year, bro. I'm signed it. I'm playing. Yeah. That's how it works. And that's how it's been, bro. The past. So you got to basically say, look here, Ocho, I understand,

bro, but I don't need, hey, tell the wife, no expensive gifts. Don't get no second home. Don't do X, Y, Z, A, K. I don't really try to tell you how to do it, but you can't have no baby mama because we're about to have to shut this thing down for a year or two. That's a bad thing you want.

In order to get what we want. It's hard to get everybody on that same page. It absolutely is. Especially with NFL players. Because, hey, I got a flaws, you know. I got me about four, five, got me, you know, I got me a G-wagon, I got me a c-wagon, I got me a cullinan, got me two plowses.

I got my mom 15, 20,000 square feet. No, get mom something that she can, get mom something that she can clean herself. Yeah. Get mom 3,000 square feet. You can good. 20,000? Two thousand.

Three thousand. How you're going to get a mom house bigger than yours? Because you've got to realize, Ocho, a lot of times you get mom these big houses, you got to pay to keep it up. Hello. You got to pay somebody to cut the grass. You got to pay somebody coming there and clean. Get mom something they can clean. Hey, my sister can clean this right here.

Pick up after yourself. It ain't nobody but two of y'all. You and Granny. Thanks. Thanks. What you on that one? But hopefully, like, they come to some type of resolution guys where they can figure this thing out.

And because I agree, Joe, this burden should not be placed on the players. The players should not have to have the financial responsibility to say, we want to keep a team together. So what does the team do? Just sit back? I think the teams, I think they kind of knew all alone this was going to happen. Yeah, you was going to run into this problem. Look, they want all this money

up front, they want these max dollars, but hell, at some point, some of these max players are going to have to start taking haircuts if they want to continue to play on great teams. These owners knew that. Okay, Ocho. But guess what the owners never do?

But they never give these TVs. They never give these partners. They don't give them a discount. They don't give these sponsors and advertisers discount. Because guess what? what the Super Bowl ad going to be this year. $8 million. 30 second spot, Joe.

And they got 240 of them. Damn. Oh, yeah. Damn. But they're billionaires, they ain't giving no damn. They ain't cut that. That's my point.

That's what, Ocho and I, we were talking about it from the very beginning. How have billionaires convince normal fans to turn on the millionaires, which are the players,

inside with them? They sharks, man. They're smart because they put it out there. You don't care about winning. You're selfish. And then you take some of your best players when you get, because first of all, once Tom Brady did it and they won, the expectation is you see what Tom did.

And fans start to believe, well, if you like Tom Brady, Tom Brady was making more off the field than he was on the field. Tom Brady's wife at the time was doing $30 million a year. Hell, if my wife did $30 million, a year and I'm doing 15, 20 a year, damn right I get you a $5 million hair cut. But my wife ain't making that. As a matter of fact, she costing me money.

You know your wife making money if you marry somebody and they make you sign a pre-nup. Oh, man. Oh, yeah. That mean you probably to marry it in or something. It's reported that Travis

signed a pre-nup with Taylor. She worked to a allegedly she's worth two billion. When you making millions, you make 20 million a year, plus off the field probably another 5'10, so you make 30 million a year. And your wife's here,

slide you this piece of paper, and you have your lawyer read it over. What are they telling you? They ain't very many situations like that. They ain't very many situations like that. Hey, hey, you're going to feel the way, though? Hell no. I ain't feeling no way.

Because I tell my homeboy all the time. They tell my shop, I ain't got no money like you. Man, I ain't got nothing. I say, good. That way you leave with your nothing. All of your nothing. I don't want you to leave with 50% of your nothing. Hey, the funny thing about it, I don't know the percentage or I don't know the stat.

Chat. You probably, you guys can probably find it faster than I can. You think about the wealthiest women in the world, right? Wealthiest women in the world. And what percentage of that wealth come from divorce? A large chunk. Or inherited. Yeah.

I'm not saying outside of inheritance. Yeah. Yeah, large, yeah, for sure. But inherited, most of it has come from divorce. So hopefully they can figure this thing out, players figure it out. It's a lot of money to be made now. Because if somebody pay you $300 million, how much are you actually making them? Because they ain't turning a loss now.

They never turn a loss. So if they wouldn't to pay you $300 million, $300 million, how much are you actually making them? If they were to pay you $300 million, Joe, you're bringing them half a bill. They don't even know it. Especially if you got one of these guys from overseas, you got a wimpy or you got a Luca? Why do you think they're trying to get NFL teams over there, Ocho? They try to get two teams over there because you just saw what they went for, right? So now a new team coming into the NFL, you can't come in less than 10 bill.

Hold on. They're trying to get it over where, huh? Overseed. They try to get two NFL teams overseas. Damn. That's a long flight. No, obviously they got two teams over team. You go over there and you stay the whole, you play, you play both teams.

You stay for two weeks. And you come back. Ah, okay, okay. But at some point, the teams had to come here down. Yeah, for sure. And then they'll stay two weeks, three weeks, and then they'll go back over there and stay two, three weeks. I like that.

I like that idea. That ain't bad. But for, but for $20 billion, what you say, the owner's saying? and they chopped that up third of ways. Ooh. You say, how many billions? 10 billion? You ain't able to because you're not going to be able to get one for less than 10.

Yeah. The Cincinnati, the Bengals value just increased. I think the Cincinnati, I think y'all, and I ain't taking no shot at you. I think you guys are the least valuable team. Don't do that. But least valuable, least valuable now is $5 billion. Okay, okay, we rich. Yeah.

Five billion. John Morant spoke for the first time about the perceived bad boy image since being traded to Portland. Let's take a listen to what J'all had to say. I mean, obviously, I've done, you know, what I've done in the past, but it's been addressed and handled already. So I don't see why, you know, years later, that's still the topic when nothing happened since, you know? and I felt like if I was that guy y'all wouldn't be talking to me now

I wouldn't be here so you did build up a big week fan I agree with he said you like look bro give me give me a chance what I did there I did there now I'm here this is a new slate I'm with a new team

if I run a file you have the right to bring that up now I get we don't got it out of the way now Joe we addressed it Yeah, I don't need every time that we have a conversation You talk about what I did in Memphis Two years, three years ago Hey, hey, hey, but we know

We know it's gonna follow him, okay, Ocho I know he don't want to hear I know he want to move on I know he want to start over, we have a new slate But hey man, some of the images That's left in people's head, bro They want to know your thought process What you were thinking at the time

What he has to do is just stay focused, bro And keep ground Yeah And that's it. Head down. Keep chopping wood, partner. But along with that, too, Uncle Joe, obviously chat, y'all are listening to me too.

We have to understand what makes Jav Mara special. You know, what makes him as exciting in the polarizing player that he was in Memphis. Not the off-the-court stuff. That's about him on the court. Still remaining allowing him to be himself without losing his edge. You know, you can tape it back a little bit,

but don't take away what makes him special. There's a certain it factor that he has and there's a certain presence and ore that he brings and energy, you know, to a team. And we saw that with Memphis. So we don't want to take it all of them from me. We just don't want, Alway, how about this here, Ocho? Just keep the guns off social media

and keep the guns out of building where you shouldn't have them. That's all we ask you, Joe. Hold on. I got one more. Okay, can we let the grenade go? Let the grenade go. Hey, listen. I like all the antics because, you know, for one,

it lets me know he's enjoying the game and having fun. And it seems like he's lost his joy for the game, Uncle Ocho. And I could be wrong, but just by listening to him talk. Like, I want to see him get back enthused about playing the game. I want to see, I want to get back. I want to see him get back to being that kid that we enjoy watching, bro, who was box office, star stuttered every night, you know, putting on the show. That's what you want to see, man.

like, you know, body language don't lie. You know what I'm saying? So when I see you out there training, working out, playing, like, I want to see that enthusiasm coming from him, bro. Like, I just feel like the past couple of years because he's dealt with so many injuries and so many setbacks, you know, that this took the love and joy and passion away from him. Even times he has played Uncle Ocho Hill. He's just been, you know, just kind of out there.

I want to see him get back to having fun, man. And you know what also? you know, not only a change of scenery, it can be a good thing for you, but it could also be a wake-up home. Absolutely, they woke him up. They moved it. He was their franchise player.

I was just going to say that. You're the franchise player. You're the face of Memphis over there, and they had the nerve to move me. And they didn't get a whole lot for you. That lets you know, Joe. Now, the next move, you know it's going to be because they got little of nothing for an all-MBA player,

of an all-star player. That's 25, 26 years of age. They basically had to give him away. Yeah. Yeah. That ain't normal, bro. So, hey, hey, he's another guy. You know, we talk about J.B.

Who's going to be motivated. I'm looking forward to Jai, you know, being motivated as well, bro. Getting back to enjoying the game, man. I got to see it, bro. He got too much talent. He's phenomenal, man. Too much talent, Uncle Ocho. I got to see it, bro.

But guys move to a new spark for me. I know it's back there. but, okay, change your scenery. Now, he go here cut up. Now, you just lost me. But I'm willing to get a man the benefit of the doubt that he's at a new scenery. He has a change of scenery.

I believe he, hopefully he's learned his lesson, and he's going to be a model citizen. Like I said, just keep the guns off social media. Don't take him where you're not supposed to have him. You'd be fine. I don't know what made the man put a firearm on social media, Joe. I feel don't understand that. Hey, hey, uh, just.

You know, but you don't be thinking, Joe. You don't. I mean, you get so caught in the moment, bro, from the times that it did happen to him when he was in the little strip joint and ride with his partner. Like, you get so caught up in the moment, bro. You, I don't know, man. I don't know. Joe, I ain't never, Joe, we flew. Look, we, I ain't never thought about taking that, taking up.

Taking that tool with me on the road. I ain't either. I ain't going to lie to it. And it used to be a lot easier back in the day, boy. Yes. You get that thing on there. I'm talking about when nobody knows nothing. Nothing.

Because we pulled right up, got off, and ain't had to go through no metal deter. They just walked right to rock your ass right up on the step to the plane. Nothing. Nothing, bro. I'm talking about. Ew. And I definitely, I definitely,

Barney Porties to tell us all the time since the son, if you got to take a weapon somewhere with you, you don't need to go there. Right, right. You don't need to go there. He learned his lesson, man. He learned his lesson, man. He learned his lesson.

I believe so. Yeah. I believe so. It could be because behind all that hell, he lost a lot of M's, boy. Even though he still has one of the hottest shoes out and the man ain't really played, it lets you know, bro, how iconic he is and what he means to the culture,

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that he did when Draymond punched Jordan Poole. In order to provide a full context of what this beef is brewing, here's Draymond, full quote about UD. Let's take a listen. I remember one person when the Jordan Poole incident happened with me was

who was really, really, really outspoken about this about it, who, like everyone else, didn't have a ton of context because you weren't there, but was really outspoken about it. And it really bothered me was Eudonis Hazem. And the reason it really bothered me is because, man, everybody can have an opinion, and your opinion is what your opinion is. But, you know, I saw Eudonis Hazam get into it with guys on teams that was younger than him before,

a la Jimmy Butler. I had seen that before and then he came out and he like, that's ridiculous. You get into it which a young guy can't, but I would never, I can't believe you did that. And it really bothered me because I was like, damn, man, like, so this dude ain't never been in practice where somebody getting into a fight.

He never got into a fight in practice, maybe not even in Miami the whole time. Maybe they don't have fights in their practices, you know, the heat, what is it? heat culture or heatway or maybe they don't have fights like it really threw me for a loop because you know i don't i don't really care what most people say but when i have respect for certain guys it it does matter uh when you have respect for god's and so when i saw that i was just like damn man this dude doing what everybody else doing acting like he and so when i first saw this i was like damn, this is two young guys

you don't know as has them raised. And yeah, they're not on the same team no more, but if you raise this young guy in the light of what you were saying about me, and now he punches this other young guy that y'all kind of co-raised, are you going to have that same energy? And the reality is I don't really want to have the same energy

because I love Bam. That's my brother. Love Bam. It's my dog. One of Gold Medal together. So I actually wouldn't want someone even had that same energy towards Bam. However, I just was wondering like, man, I wonder what you, Donas. How's I'm going to say? And he said something back. Well, here's the thing.

I'm not going to read the whole thing, but you D tweeted at Money Green. I see things just don't change. You was on some suck-ish for years. And when you swung on Jordan Pool and you on some sucker-ish, Now, I usually don't engage, but since you went so far to the left to get my attention, here it is. If you think your big 32-year-old, three or four rings, at the time have it ass swinging on a 23-year-old Jordan Poole at the same time. Then you're even more delusional than I thought. As you can see right there, he said, look, Bam is 28, Tyler Hero is 26.

And, you know, he goes on, he says, call it heat culture, whatever you want, before I let one player disrespect pro, Spoe, in front of the. squad, cut his legs out, disrupt 15 other guys trying to get accomplished, I'll kick his ass. I owe that to Zoh, the Tim, Glenn, and the rest of the O.G. I don't really vibe you, and I think you know that. Unless it's me in prime talk, hoops, I won't mention you at all. But you brought basically said you brought it to me, so that's what it is,

what it is. Me personally, I don't think, look, I see it from both size of the equation, Joe, but I look at it like this. And the one mistake that Jordan Poole left. Ocho, you know if you got tension. Okay, somebody on once enter the field and y'all talking, man, F you,

Ocho, ninja F you. You ain't going to do nothing. All that woman, all that talking. As long as you over there, I'm over here. We good. What I'm not going to let you do, Ocho and Joe, is close the distance and you still got about hostility.

Hello. Yeah. Hello. That was Jordan Poole's mistake. Yeah. First of all, somebody got that hostility, you don't let him walk up on you. You get off the first one. Now, if he's still standing out that, you might have to take off running.

But if you get off a clean shot, and he's still standing, you're going to get your ass whipped anyway. Hey, well, two things you got to have, right? I'm not sure where Jordan Poole grew up. I don't know anything about his background. I don't either, Joe. You always have to understand, for one,

spatial awareness. Yes. Spatial awareness, you know, and understanding and having self-awareness, especially when you get into it with somebody. I think maybe Jordan Poole thought, well, we're in a structuring environment, you know, we're at practice.

I don't expect anything like that to happen here. But that's what most of the time. We'll know. It happens. So, I mean, it happened. Oh, Joe, what do they do that at? Joe, what do they do that at? You argue you don't see pickups.

Do you know all of a sudden if two people, and obviously, I'm saying a football field, but in a basketball court. The basketball gym is only, practice gym, is only so big. Facts. So you could hear everything he's saying. And that man getting closer and closer.

And y'all still, the elevation is in both of you guys' voice. Right. Yeah. And you let that man close the distance to be able to get that shot off on you? Yeah, because if you see the video, Jordan Poole kind of pushed him first. And then that's when they came with the, you know. But yeah, yeah, yeah. Now, you know, I don't really know, bro.

I think in certain situations, certain guys, he wasn't thinking that Dreyman Drake, no. You ain't thinking. Man, this is my damn teammate. Yeah, we're going to have disagreements. We're going to be pissed at each other. But see, basketball and football are different. Do you have fights in the locker rooms?

No, yeah. But I bet you're in football. Hell, it's 52, 53 out on the damn team. It's way more fights than football than it is in basketball, especially doing teammates. Y'all play a gladiator sport. You know what I mean? It's just a difference.

And you know why, Joe? Because, as you said, there's so much testosterone and ain't nobody willing to let nobody punk them. So somebody might be willing to take an ass cutting just to prove a point, you're not been to punk me. Especially when you start that, when that boys start elevate, you know, though, Joe, we've all don't been around, we don't been in the fight,

I ain't been in no 15, I ain't no professional fighter. But I've been in enough fights and I've seen enough situation. I'm like, okay, let me try to diffuse this because I already see where this thing is heading. Yeah, yeah. Ain't nobody backing down. And ain't nobody going back down. unless somebody try to let cool ahead prevail.

I'm like, hey, man, come on, bro. We don't need this. Nah, nah, I'm going to see if he really owned what he's talking about. Yeah, yeah, yeah. You really got to have somebody to step in and de-escalate the situation. Because even though we teammates, you know, man, when them emotions get high, boy, you ain't studying all right. You're ready to go back yard.

Damn that team, man, I don't know you. I ain't never see you before a day of my damn life. Fag. Fag. Because, hey, you acting reckless. And there are certain key words, all that. Hey, suck my you know what. You're a B.

Whoa. Whoa. As a matter of fact, we have one trigger word down in Miami. Actually, two trigger words down in Miami. If you call anybody this, it's time to go. I don't care what you're at your school. Graduation. You call somebody a fuck, nigger?

Yeah. Man, listen, hey. Tell your grandma, I take a church hat off. I'm glad. I'm glad I know your trigger word now. I got you. Hey, listen. Hey, Joe, don't, don't play with yourself like that.

Oh, this fucking thing. And I get with Bam, say, Draymond, you 32, 33 years old. That's a 23-year-old. He ain't expecting that. He's not expecting this, oh, gee. But you have to get, have to, you have to like, okay, we're in an arc, the mere fact that we're in an argument

lets me know that, hold on, this ain't normal. Yeah. Have you seen, have you ever seen, Dreyman getting the argument with Clay Have you ever seen him getting an argument with Lou? Have you ever seen him get no argument with Steph? So you got to, hey, you got to like, okay, I got to maneuver this, man.

Hold on, wait a minute. And he getting close and close. And like you said, Joe, he pushed him. Man, that man don't walked up on you. Yeah. He don't close the distance. Yeah. No.

Yeah, I'm sorry. That's, it's super unfortunate, but I disagree with Dremont because it's a whole total different situation. Yeah, that man, wasn't talking about you. Yeah. I mean, what the story is is a legend

is that he was talking about how he was cooking him. Yeah. I mean, in practice. Yeah. Tyler Hero allegedly took screen, uh, was saying stuff and somebody took a screenshot of it.

Right, right. That's a whole different. I don't believe Bam would have just got into an argument, nothing. All of a sudden, they stay teammates. And they just get, and all of a sudden,

they get into an argument about something. Ah, I don't see that happening. Now, I don't know people get mad and people say things, you know, sometimes, hey, and a lot of times when people get upset, they've been dying to tell you that anyway.

Yeah. They just did an opportunity and never presented itself, Joe, for them to tell you how they really felt about you. This was the opportunity to really tell you how they really feel. And then there other reports came out that says, you know,

Jimmy Butler allegedly distanced himself for ban because they felt bam was untouchable, the heat organization. And I read there are other people in the heat organization. I don't know. I mean, I'd just be reading it. I'm like, oh, whatever, it is, it is what it is. But I'm just saying, I don't, I don't agree with Dre on this one.

I understand what he's, his point he's trying to make. But it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, the question is, if Tyler Hero doesn't say what he says about Bam, does Bam have the reaction that he has. I don't believe he does. He could, I don't know Bam. Nah, all I know is Bam what I see on television. I don't know the man. Nah, it's certain stuff you can keep in house. even if his room was about you

and maybe you even know them to be true. But when somebody posts something about you, bro, it's different. Hey, when we see each other and at least we got to rap about it. You feel me? Yes, for sure. You know what I mean?

Like, I don't know if Bam just felt the way and just stole off on him, but damn, bro, that's how you've been feeling the whole time? Well, that seems to be the consensus that he walked up and, hey, he was really pow. Damn, you didn't even think what's wrong. You need to get wrong guy. You just said, what's a pile.

But like I said, I don't know, bam. And that's the thing also, Joe and Ocho, you know this. You got to know a person's disposition. You got to know who you can joke with. You got to know who you can play with. You got to know who you could like, certain things like, hey, certain people, you can't make no jokes. Right.

About their family, by the kids, about anything. You make a joke about guys a play and do be ready to fight. All right. Go and left. Hell, my grandma could have caught that one. Hey, wait, hey, let that go. Oh, I'll let it go just like you let that ball go. You know what I'm saying?

Yeah. But you got, you got to know because everybody don't play like you play. No, no. You got to be aware, it's all about self-awareness, knowing who you can joke with, especially in a locker room with 53 players. You know who to play with? You know who not to play with. I had that problem.

You know how I play around, Unk. Remember, you don't think you was there yet. When Zeus, Orlando Brown. Orlando Brown. Man, Joe. I had left. I had retired when he came back to Baltimore. Yeah, boy.

Yeah, yeah. I had already retired, Joe. It's a story, Joe. We had that warming up before the game started. You know how the players warm up. I'm like, God, Lee, man, dude, big as hell. Mind you, me being my funny self, I wouldn't have jumped on his back. You know how people jump on your back?

Yeah. On his back. You didn't know him? No, I ain't know him. I ain't knowing him. But I thought, you know, I thought, you know, when he saw it with me, he was going to be cool. Yeah. Man, Uncle Joe, man, that nigger tried to whip my ass on the field, boy.

I had to run to the locker room just to finish warming up. I had to go get Big Willie. I had that Big Willie come out and talk to him. And Orlando Brown Jr., he talked about that story all the time every time I've seen him, man. Hey, everybody don't play the same, though. I learn the hallway because he was, hey, Joe, he was dead serious. No, he wasn't a guy that That played like that play like that

And I'm like, I'm just playing man He's out, I don't go, but fuck Who the fuck you think I am? He'd be jumping on my back Yeah And he squared up with me And man, man I took off to the locker room Man, hey, hey, hey, I bet you didn't jump

on nobody else down back did you? Well, yeah, Ray, Ray Lewis Yeah, you saw what I did I didn't get at work Come on, hey, but you're right But you're right though You don't know, bro And you take a guy's demeanor for granted

he may have been thinking like man I ain't never seen Bairn pissed out he ain't gonna do nothing but though yeah mess around and find out and what happened if the day that you want to joke he's having the worst day of his life you're gonna catch the repercussions

you don't know what somebody endured while they were a child oh man you don't know their background because remember now when you deal with an individual lady deal with a guy guy deal with a lady you're not just dealing with her you're dealing with her past.

You're dealing with her trauma. Yeah. So you don't know it might be a situation that somebody has said something to him and he wasn't in a situation where he could defend himself like he can now.

Yeah. Now you put him right back in a situation that he'd hoped he'd never be in but he can defend himself now. Yeah. Now you got hell on your hands. Now you got to, hey, everybody, hey, you got to be a hostage negotiator

to talk his ass down. I'm just saying. And now, hey, and now you got a black eye. See it playing. Now, now it's, it's,

it's, because I'm like, like, you walk around on the team. Y'all still got to be teammates and this man doesn't whip you. How that worked? Oh,

how that worked? Hey. I'm just saying, I'm just, chat, I don't know. Because I've been on team when we had fights.

And, you know, I ain't know. Everybody know. I was the guy. I was kind of like the voice of reason. You know, I'm trying to keep peace with everybody, the defense, offense. But then sometimes, hey, you say something by somebody mama, and his mama's dead. Oh, it's up.

It's up. Hey, I have, how many fights? You didn't know that. John, you never had no fights in training camp, especially training camp. No. No, I have, no, man. Oh, Joe. Man, it's 100 degrees.

We're going to be out there two hours. I'm saving that, you. Yeah, I had one fight. I never forget. I had one fight with our safety at the time. I think it was, man, I don't think you only. I don't know if you remember, his name was Madoo Williams. He was good. He was nice.

I do. I know, yeah. Really, really solid safety. And we got into it. I forgot what it was. Maybe he hit me after a play or something like that. But, yeah, it wasn't long. We just, you know, a little scuffle. Yeah.

That was it. I was the only time, only time I ever had a fight. And I was in training camp at Georgetown. And probably we had that fight. We was tired of playing against each other. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. He probably, probably overly aggressive. Yeah. Oh, Joe. he was overly aggressive I think so I think he might have been

and knowing that okay we got the pads on if anything just thud me up of all players that actually hit don't hit me we need hey Joe don't hit me you know and I just

you know well Marvin Marvin said well Marvin hit that whistle man two motherfuckers don't get you all that and then that was the end of it right there hey no I, hey, because I already know,

well, we're not practicing hard enough. If you got that kind of energy to fight, we're not practicing hard enough. Let's go. Another 30 minutes. Bro, we are out of 45 already. Yeah. And in two a day?

Oh, man. No, bro. Now, if you brought, you know, you have a joint practice on Joe, that's something entirely different. Yeah. Now, that's always a fight. You're not a what.

I'm tired, man. What you want to do, man? Hey, let's get out of this practice. Every play, Joe, P-b-quah, quack, quack. Hey, hey, hey, hey, cut it out. Hey, get his ass out of there. Somebody in there to get in there.

Next plate, same thing. Same thing. You know what's funny, Joe, Uncle Joe? What was that? Every year on ESPN, they have these long think pieces about joint practices and everybody fighting. Mind you, I've been tired now, 13 years, and every joint practice, it's a fight,

and they get on ESPN and acting like, oh, my goodness. I can't believe a fighting in training care. I can't. Hello. Have y'all ever been in an organized activity with two different teams competing with pads on? Hey. That's going to always be a fight.

And plus, hell, y'all tired of playing against each other. So once you do play against somebody else, all that testosterone started to come out because y'all playing a sport that's built off contact. Yeah, y'all looking for it. Y'all looking for the confrontation. Oh, Joe. Yeah.

Joe, we play a sport that was built on intimidation. That's a good one. That's a good one. We're trying to move a man. We're trying to break a man's spirit. Yes. That's what football was founded on. You got a plot of land. I got a plot of land.

My job is to try to get as far as I can on your plot of land. Your job is to try to get as far as I can, you can, on my plot of land. I ain't going nowhere because I know if you're, keep setting up shop on my side, pretty soon you're going to own the real estate and I ain't going to have nothing. Hello. Hello. I like that. And it's so funny, if you think about the Uncle Joe, I mean, obviously, y'all see me in person. Joe, you see me, you see me, you know, for years is, is the intimidating factor is I wasn't able to do it because I'm not imposingly intimidating at all. Don't. Uncle Joe, I tried to intimidate as well, but I played the

mental game. Right. Trash talking. Now, if I get you out your game, I'm going to get you out your game up here. Not with this, because I don't have that. So I had to use talking trash to get you out of the game. If I can get you to, if I can get you angry, I got you. Yeah, for sure. I got you by this much. I just need to get you angry.

I need to get you to converse with me, which is why I never wore a mouthpeen, Joe. I ain't where mouthpiece no purpose. If I can get you in a conversation, I got him all game. But you know what? Even, no matter where I've been, you know, we're playing cards, we rolling dice, I say, look, guys, hey, somebody going to win, somebody going to lose. Somebody going to be talking ish, and somebody going to get upset. We're going to keep our hands to ourselves.

Yes, sir. Ain't nobody here got, I got kids. You got kids, you got kids. But I don't see none of them right here at this table. Keep your hands to yourself, we fine. We find. You know how they call? We're cool.

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