Nightcap - Best of NBA News Part 1: FREAK KNICK parade, Jalen Brunson OVER Allen Iverson & LeBron's RETURN?

Episode Date: June 21, 2026

Shannon Sharpe, Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson, and Joe "King Iso" Johnson bring you the Best of NBA on Nightcap! The crew reacts to a wild Knicks Championship Parade that somehow sends Shannon straight back to his Freaknik days in Atlanta, is LeBron James coming back to the Lakers or is it finally over? Plus much more! Subscribe to Nightcap presented by PrizePicks so you don’t miss out on any new drops! Download the PrizePicks app today and use code SHANNON to get $50 in lineups after you play your first $5 lineup! Visit https://prizepicks.onelink.me/LME0/NI... 0:00 - Knicks Parade in New York23:08 - LeBron returning to Lakers?47:55 - Jalen Brunson or Allen Iverson? (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #ClubeSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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You understand. You said a little like. Come on, man. Look at the people on the building. And they risking their life. Yes. You know if they were to fall, huh? You know if they were to catch somebody

below me. No, you'll hurt somebody right below what you go to. Oh, New York by the city, you probably shut down there, huh? Oh, for sure. The police ain't even tripping. They're like, whatever. Yeah, for the police to take you in,

you got to do something really agrees. People going haywire on Instagrams. That's what it's supposed to be. And for the Knicks, they had the celebrities and Mariska Hargitay and I think Ben Stiller was there although and Timothy Shalamee. I mean, it's, it is just unbelievable.

I don't know if anybody treat their celebs and their fans quite, and I understand, look, the Celtics got a great fan base. The Lakers, you know, Jack, Spike Lee is the equivalent of Jack Nicholson. For L.A., what Jack Nicholson is

for L.A., Spike Lee is that for the Nix. I don't know who that is for the Celtics and all these others, but I'm saying just those two. I don't know, Joe, if we've seen anybody treat their celebs to be in the parade, to walk and get the love and adoration that the players receive? Yeah. That is crazy. It's unbelievable.

It's unbelievable. But that is amazing to see the fat Joe's and all those people get that kind of love and that kind of praise. And the old guard, man, the way they had Patrick U. and Alice Houston and Starks and, It's free and grandmamma. All those guys there, damn there every game? Hey, that's dope. Ocho, here's what you got to take into consideration. I'm happy for New York.

I love to see it. I think it's great for the game. But when you got about 8 to 9 million people living in New York, bro, this is what you get. They are going to support their Knicks, die hard. And look, we always talk about, man, if you win a championship in New York, boy, you're going to be goaded. Forever. Forever.

Forever. We're witnessing. We're witnessing history right now. And it's amazing to see, bro. Look, us seeing all these fans sitting up on the buildings and the light poles and man, that don't surprise me, bro. I expected all this. You know what I mean?

I expected all this. If you look at the way they treat their old guard, the Clyde Frazier, the Earth. Earl the Pearls, Willis Reed, I think, I don't know if he's still alive, Bill Bradley and the Busher and all those guys.

Bird Dog, Bernard King, Mello. Yeah. Can you imagine, I can only imagine what had Mello won a championship. Bernard King won a championship.

Right. But, hey, Lord, have mercy. But, hey, but this is, group of guys right here. Now, the team is going to look different next year. Dolan has already told you, I ain't going to the second April.

Yeah, I don't know you told you. I ain't going to second April. So don't be coming and talking about, can we keep this team together? I'm not going into the second apron. Y'all take whatever y'all want to take from that. But this group of guys right here, as you mentioned, World Wide Web, and all those guys that put this team together, congratulations, man. That is unbelievable.

There's nothing like having that parade. I was fortunate enough to go to one. Well, we had three, but I was. went to one and to see 600, 700,000 fans out there are all in orange. It's an unbelievable, it's an unbelievable feeling. And I can just imagine what the Knicks, that was almost 30 years ago for us, but the Nix. I think the coolest thing for me, okay, Ocho, when I'm watching everything kind of unfold, you look at the older Nix guys, the Larry Johnson's, you know, you look at Mello.

You know, these are two different generations. all these guys are in the parade as if they which they have to a degree you feel me and I enjoy seeing that part because bro they love that

Knicks players bro past or present they do they will do whatever so for those guys to get a chance to ride on and drive through this parade to enjoy New York City

at probably its highest moment you know I think it's a blessing bro it's a real blessing and you know also, Uncle Joe, it's a good thing. And it says a lot about not just the Nix organization, but it also says a lot about the person who's able to greenlight everything.

And he gets a lot of flack. A lot of flak. A lot of flak. And you know he's one who's been able to green like this because most of the time I understand the issue which have been brought to my attention between Charles Oakley and Mr. Dolan. And obviously it's unfortunate,

but some of these other players, you know, that played in the past that have always been front and sending that have supported the Nix, whether doing good or whether doing bad. they've always been there. They've been there. So it's a kudos to Mrs. Dolan in that organization for allowing them to be a part of that parade,

you know, the blood, sweat and tears and all the hours that they put in, you know, during their time and their tenure and trying to achieve, you know, what today's Knicks players have been able to do, just being able to celebrate them in enough, it feels the void that they could. Yeah.

I mean, Wes has done an unbelievable job. He comes in. He rebuilds a team. He fires Thibidot. You know, the trade for cat and swap cat for Giro Randall, Devinchenzo. But, you know, that had to go because he didn't want to break up that Billingover. Yeah. Yeah.

He's done an unbelievable job. And like you said, Ocho, Dolan does take a lot of criticism, but I don't think he'd change the thing, especially how it worked out. Because at the end of the day, in St. Frank Sinatra, you say he did it his way. John. Yeah. Did it his way. And so yeah, I wish, of all things, like I said, I wish Oak could have been a part of this because he gave so much to that organization.

Unfortunately, he and Dolan are butting heads. I think for the most part, the large part of the contingent of New York, they know Oak laid it on the line for them for decade. But, you know, things help. Hopefully one day cooler heads will prevail. Hey, nobody would have thought that Jordan and, and Barclay would come back around and see things out of eye, and seemingly that's happening.

And so hopefully when it's all said done, when you realize the petty differences that we may or may not have, it really isn't worth it. And so hopefully, Oak and Dolan will be able to work these things out, sit down and have a conversation and move on. Yeah. Hey, I want to give Mike Brown a lot of credit too,

walking, Ocho. You know, I think some of the adjustments that he made coming to New York, meaning putting the ball in cat hands and letting them be a decision maker and not being so brunts and heavy, you know, throughout the games. I think it helped make them. It made them a better team, bro. It made them a lot better team, you know, because they were less predictable. You had so many guys involved with it was OG Bridges, Hart, Brunson, Cat.

You know, you got guys coming off the bench who, who played big minutes. Alvarado, I think probably, you know, especially those last two games when he threw Alvarado when they were down 29 in the garden and they end up coming back winning their game. He played some significant minutes in their game 5 too. He pushed the automatic.

Yes, sir. So I want to give him his credit, bro. He's a hell of a coach who's been there. I think he won one as an assistant coach, but now as a head coach, I'm sure it feels a lot sweet, especially being in New York. I've seen the clips of him having a great time, which he should,

and it's amazing to see, bro. It's amazing to see. I agree with you, Joe. And I think the thing is that, like, when you in Cleveland, it didn't work out, wasn't he at the Lakers, too? Didn't he coached? I know he coached Sacramento. He coached somewhere.

He was in Golden State for a while. I know he coached Golden State because I think he coached a couple of games when Steve Kerr was having that issue. you win his back. Yeah. Let me see. But I think the thing is like when you don't have the success that you think. Now he was successful in Cleveland.

You know, he was coached of the year. They won 66 games. They went to the NBA finals. LeBron with 22 years of age. Ran into that juggernaut sports spurs team with Duncan, Manu and Tony Parker. But you know you live and you learn. And you're like, okay, these are some of the mistakes that I made at other stops. Let me not make those mistakes here.

And I think the thing of a great coach is to understand that when I made mistakes, okay, this is what I did well, this is what I did wrong. Let me try to highlight and accentuate what I did good. Let me try to highlight, let me try to stay away from what I did back. I thought so he did coached the Lakers. 11 and 12. I thought so. Yeah, he took over from Phil Jackson, I think, in 11 and 12. Okay.

Yeah. But this is, like I said, I don't really. and no Mike Brown. But I pull for him. Because I understand that, you know, he's been one of the fortunate ones that didn't win a championship with one place and go get a job.

Normally, we get to Adrian Griffith. We get a situation where, you know, guys unsurred moniously get released and never to resurface again. We get a guy like Mark Jackson, and I don't know, I still, I want somebody to tell me what happened with him. You hear all these stories

and I don't want to repeat them because I don't know if they're true or not. But you look at the success that he had. He took teams to the playoffs. He's really what started the foundation. And I appreciate Steph and Draymond and Clay giving him credit because he established the foundation of what the Golden State Warriors were to become. Unfortunately, kind of like a Tony Dungeon in town for Ocho.

He didn't get to reap the benefits of it. But when you look at it, Uncle Ocho, I'm not even sure Mike Brown was the Knicks first option as far as. No, he wasn't. They say it was like six and seven. But a lot of people turned it down because they saw how he did Thibledo. And they saw that like, Jim, Dolan is never going to change. That's a never-ending battle. And knowing that you coaching in New York, they just came off to Eastern Conference Finals.

Hell, if you don't get back there, you feel like you're probably going to get fired. Yes, absolutely. So for Mike Brown to take that job, bro, you got to have some cahoas, man, because you hired to get fired if you just want to be 100 unless you win it. I think the thing is, Joe, had it not gotten back, if they not won the title, it was a failure because you hired Thibodeau. You fired Thibodeau because you felt that, because see, I looked at it like this. I felt that the Knicks felt that once they beat Boston, Boston was a team that was in their way. Once they beat Boston, it was smooth sailing.

Yes. Before you knew it, they were in a. a battle with the Pacers. And nobody's seen. And they're like, hold on, wait a minute. We beat the team that won the championship. We ain't supposed to lose to the damn Pacers. Yeah.

So he built those expectations. It's just like Winocho, we criticize the player. No, don't criticize us. He built those expectations. Look at all the years that he was great. And now when he's not playing well, we're not going to base it on, say, oh, but what about, no, no, no, no. We complimented it.

We said he was an all-pro. We said he was an MVP. We said he was a D-P-O-Y or O-P-O-Y, a rookie of the year. We gave him kudos. Nah, the thing I love most about sports is that unlike most job, where you have to update your resume every three to six months, you got to update your resume

if you play basketball down there every other day. If you play football every single week. That's what I love most about sports. Update that resume. Some people still sliding that same old-ass resume cross the table. Man, damn, bro. I see you hadn't changed jobs

in a couple of years. Any new references? But this was unbelievable. We either saw Ocho or Paul George sighting. Check this out, Joe. You seen the one? Hey, hey, Uncle Joe, sometimes it don't matter where you at.

Sometimes you got to get it in. You hear me? Huh? Sometimes you got to get it in. Oh, man. No, no. You can't do. You can't do that.

no public now. Hey, hey, uh, listen, there was, there was a time, you know, there was a time, but things used to be

just like that. It didn't matter. Man, every time wasn't never like that. Yeah, maybe, oh, yeah, you go to,

uh, you go to spring break and you drunk. Y'all remember MTV spring break? Yo. Yeah, man, of course. People was wildly like that.

Hold on. Hey, I've been to spring break, but you drunk. Man, come on now. Hey, timeout, time out,

time out. Time out. Let's rewind. Let's settle down a little bit. We talk about somebody sucking at the next parade, right? Yes. You do know we were a part of Freakneek, right?

Let's not act like we've never seen nothing like that in public. And we're just seeing way worse with Freakneek down in Atlanta now. I'm not going to talk about, I'm not going to tell you about the times I was there, Joe. Boy, listen, you know.

Now, now you're talking about language. Because I was smack damn in the freaknik. As a matter of fact. I was right there with you. I was just a little younger. They reached out to me. I got no comment. I'm saying.

Hey, when they did the documentary? Yeah. Oh, yeah. Why you ain't, why you can get on that man, tell your story? No, no. So, hey.

Joe, where you were that? What he was that during that time, Joe? When you were there? No one. By the time Joe got that, by the time Joe got that letter, they were done. I mean, back there,

and the heart, basically from about 92 to about 97, was that, I'm talking about it was the absolute apex. Apex, yeah. Was that the absolute apex? I'm talking about... I was still in high school here.

Hey, Joe. I was a freshman. I was a freshman in college. And I had an opportunity to go out there. That's what it was. So I was a baby. I was a baby. I ain't really, because I wasn't shy.

But I'm outside of my element based on what I've been able to see because grandma kept me kind of somewhat. shelving a little bit. It was new to me, and I just remember what I saw. Oh, okay. Well, I know you and, y'all don't take me for a guy for guys who do public fornication. Y'all don't take me for the whole kind of guy.

Yeah, you be out of I do. I do take you that. That's why you're number one. But I was saying, somebody said, as a matter of fact, I was having a conversation today. They're like, man, Joe, they said, man, Joe be real quiet. I said, man, Joe got to who? I said, Joe would

present that shy, that shy, brother, I said, man, Joe cut up. Hey, why you? I said, Joe, cut him. Joe want to put that jacket on me. It don't fit me, man. It's your size. It's an extra large. Extra large, extra long. That's the size you wear. He doesn't know, we got an extra large, extra long jacket for him. That's the size he wearing. Hey, Joe, you think you fooling us. You ain't fooling this. I can see.

Yeah, you ain't booed. What you mean? What you mean? What? I don't. I ain't the one was going to Freakneek and doing all this I wasn't doing all that because you wasn't old enough had you been older your ass had to be right

there? Listen, your ass would have been right there before my time, man that was before my time but I already know I already know y'all went down there and cut up

I knew why I already knew it. Matter of fact, it's funny, he ain't go to Freakneek but I guarantee he made up for it. He made up for it. You old.

Joe, you made up for it. I would leave one going to another. Black College Beach Week, Freak Nick, Orange Crush. I mean, Dayton, because Daytona got a black college spring break.

I got another one for you too now. Hold on. Hold on. The classic. The classic family of athoon at the end of the season. Yeah, I heard about that. And don't forget about Memorial Day in Miami.

Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. But see, that was going to go, when I was going to get out there and cut a buck, they wasn't, they wasn't out there like that. Hey, listen, let me tell you y'all something. Well, when I first heard about Miami, I was in the league, meaning like, I had never really been out there and hung out. Okay, Ocho, I ain't going to lie to you.

But me and the homies went out there, and I said, you know what, I got a guy out there who say, you're going to train me. We can go out there, train, you know, workout and party. We're going to supposed to be out there for three days. Man, we're out there for two months. Hey, oh, Joe, we out there for two months. I'm talking about, you know what I'm talking about. Damn. How three days turn into two months, yo.

Hey, you know how I go, man. You get out there, you go to mingling, and next thing you know, you're like, well, I think I can stay a couple extra days of one week. Yeah, man. Yeah. Babe. Boy, that Black College Beach Week, man. Hey, foo.

Boy, I put that bill on the road. Tallahassee, Atlanta, South Carolina. Hey, if you had a 400-mile radius, who, ooh, ooh, ooh. I'm coming. I'm coming. Hey, Freak Nick, hey, I ended up. Hey, I told Shell, I say, look here.

The camcorder, they got everything recorded on from 90, from Freak Nick and Black College Week Week. So basically 901, 92, and they got 92, 93, 94, 95, 96, 97. Put that in the ground with me. Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey. Put that in the ground with you. As a matter of fact, you know what I'm going to do. I'm about to score.

No, no, no, because you get it. You got to destroy it. No, no, no, no. No, you got to go back and look at it. And now and they look. Wait, hold on, hold on, this is what he need to do, Uncle Joe. You saw paid and full, huh? Remember Cameron?

Remember Cameron character when they was in the club? And he showed the old footage. Yeah. You need to get that freak neat footage and show it on nightcap. Oh, no. Hell no. Yeah. Joe, look here.

Some of them women, I'm almost certain I'm married. I'm so sure some of them are grandmas. No, lay that alone Just blur the face out, man No, my grandma used to say, boy, staring up old-ish, it still smell. No, hey, hey, hey, oh, oh, absolutely. I know what you're looking for

because I got a couple camcorders with some SIM cars in there that's got some stuff on there, boy, from back when I was in Miami, both parties and all, yeah. All the house parties. Oh, boy, the high party was off the chain. Hold on, Joe, what you were doing on the phone?

I mean, you know, we just having a little fun, you know. Hold on, I can't hear you. Take your time. I said, we were having a little fun, okay? Yeah, it'll probably, yeah, it's probably about, it's probably about, about, about eight to one on there. You know what I mean? Yeah, eight to one.

Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, we just, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, Joe, you don't get a little hot, you already know, yo, shay come up on the, and br-bl, what you got that thing? You, what? What? bad was I yeah

bad look here I already know dang nah Ocho you know some things you know we're just

I survived it like I said I'm glad I'm old enough because some of the things that were going on I didn't need to see

and I damn sure they didn't need to be in the vicinity why it was happening yeah yeah because I don't see boy look here Yeah, that right there, what you saw on, what you,

there's nothing right there. Oh, are you, who? Oh, that was elementary, Joe. Oh, they were getting out of that. Oh, Joe, what? Is that bad, please. Joe, you was in Miami already, so I ain't really, I ain't really got to tell you.

But you, I want to freak me, though. Freak meet, hey, man, I heard some stories, bro. Joe, you got to realize, hold on. I'm, I'm 24, 25. 26, 27. The first time I week, the Black College Beach Week in Daytona, I had just, I was 21. Walking down out of the street, Joe, I'm talking about, hey, me and my homeboy, we don't got to go to the gym and pumped up.

Yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Good. Man, you're bad. You ought to see other people pulling over. Good God, my. Hey, they say, where you go to?

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I'll be down there in two weeks. Boy, I was out like a scout of a new route. Oh, man. It was some fun days, boy. They were. They were, ooh. Yeah. Pride is like love.

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I believe they're going back and forth. I can see that. The thing is how many of those guys you're really going to be able to bring back? You know, when it comes to Rui, when it comes to Marcus Smart.

Well, we know two guys that don't, we know one guy that don't walk back. Who? He's coming back to winning. Who they don't? He's a free agent, dominate? Abomination.

Y'all, you have a big abomination. He's out of them. How you know? The big hallucination. How you know, huh? Hey, hey, hold on. You can't let somebody walk unless you got somebody replace it. Yeah, you can.

Because they don't take much to replace him. Hold on, he'll free agent. I think he signed a one-year deal. Didn't he sign a one-year deal? If I'm not mistaken, he had a one-year deal, Joe and Ocho. Well, then what you're going to do about your bid? Hey, this is going to be a proof of him, huh? And what did he prove?

He's good and terrible. Yeah, somebody going to pay him, though. Yeah. Ocho, I can't look here. breaking with your girl. Somebody going to date her. That ain't got nothing to do with you. Yeah.

Yeah. Right. Right. Hey. She break up with me. Hey, somebody going to eventually date me. I might not get a date tomorrow or two weeks from tomorrow, but somebody going to scoop old shit up. Yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Hey. Hey. Hey, would you say, they might not get you right away, but they're going to get you.

I might not get scooped up tomorrow. But he ain't, hey, hey, oh, Joe, but he gonna put meat on something that night. Hey, hey, hey, no. Right now, I ain't got no emergency. I ain't got no break in, you know, break the glass. Right, right, right, right. I ain't got that no more, huh? Yes, sir.

I ain't got it no more. Hey, time to change. Oh, he got a player option for 8.1. Oh, he opted up out of that. He ain't been to play for no 8.1. Yeah, he got, he opting in there. I bet you he don't opt in that, Joe. 8.1, ain't that kind of, ain't that kind of,

That's kind of disrespectful, ain't it? Yes. It's disrespectful. It ain't disrespectful if ain't nobody going to pay you here. Somebody give him at least 15, 20, Joe. A seven-footer? Yeah, he too tall. And guess what, Joe?

Guess what? He'll be better over here. Where? With the Legos? That's what. Oh, show how many times we don't say this in the NFL? We see this in every league. You might be bad over there, but you will be better over here.

Right. Everybody will convince themselves, I can change them. How many times you don't see somebody pick up something? I can change them. Never that. I know she might have been like that with him or he might have been like that with her, but me.

Hold on, hold on. Wait, wait, wait a minute. Hold on. You got this slowdown. Check me out. Check me out. Check you out. Yeah, hear me out.

You're forgetting that Luca got hurt. Luca wasn't there, man. A.R. missed a lot. and it was him and Brun a lot of the times. So he put a lot on Aiden. That probably shouldn't have been on him. You see what I'm saying?

If Luca can stay healthy, if those guys can stay healthy, I don't think his job should be that damn hard. It is, though. Because you know why? Because he doesn't have a motor. You look at the guys that Lucas played with. You look at Daniel Gaffer.

What does Daniel Gaffer have? A motor. Lively. What does he have? A motor. Yeah. Guys that's played with him have motives. That's what you need.

I can't beg you to play. Hey, big fella, we need it tonight. Now, come on now. We need it tonight. I can't pay. I got like two or three of them in me. Over eight or two games stretch, Joe, that's all I got. I got to do this every night.

Hey, man, look, y'all know it. It's some guys, bro, you got to give them that pat on their back in the game just to get them amped up. I'm going to let somebody else. So you got to keep Jackson Hayes, though. You got to keep him. I would rather have Jackson Hayes than DeAndre Aiton. But they probably, you know, you're looking at how the Mavericks are looking at possibly, they might be looking to get off a PJ Washington,

looking to get off Daniel Gafford. I think Gaffert, having played with Luca, understands Luca, he's definitely a lot of threat. He's a bet he runs, he plays hard. He's a better rim protected to DeAndre Aiton for sure. And I think a team like, Like Utah, Jazz wouldn't mind probably getting off one of them big. Well, you see Kessler is being reported that he turned down a five-year 140. Oh.

Oh. It's not imaginable to me because I'm looking at a guy that doesn't really shoot threes. If he shot three, let's say he was, he shot three like a wimby or a yokech, a one of those, you know, one of those guys like that, I'm like, okay, that might be a little undervalue. but looking at him, yeah, he can protect the bank. Would he be better than Aitin, possibly? I think he's a much better defender than Aiton. But that's not saying much. Hey, Uncle Joe.

But his motor, his motor, Aton could be good if he just had a motor. And you think sometimes these dudes overestimate their value? Yeah. Or do they know they don't get exactly what they want by turning down some of these deals? I think they know the market, Ocho, and they know, like, your agent ain't sitting here telling you to opt out your damn contract knowing that he can't get you another deal.

You feel me? He's already done talking. He's probably talked to a bunch of teams. Right, right, right, right. So they already got something in place. Now you've got to do it's pull the trigger, you feel me? Like, ain't no guys opting out their contracts thinking like, well, I hope a team come like, hell no. Not especially not the kind of money that Trey Young got on the table.

Rich Paul knows something. Rich Paul's done spoke to teams. He's probably already spoken to the Wizards. That trade's going to opt out of his contract. This is what we're looking for. And plus, you traded him. Why would you not? I mean, you will let that man go after what you gave up to get him?

I think that was in the deal, if you asked me, that trade gets a new deal before he plays a game for the Wizards, which is probably why we never seen him play when he got traded. Exactly. Yeah. So it couldn't make sense. to me. I mean, it's the same thing. Anybody that signs Janus, they've already

got an extension already done. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. I'm not signing him and have him come and play on the last year of that deal. Absolutely not. After I've given up all those assets, so whoever signs Janus, you best believe a deal is already done. Yeah, because the one thing you don't want

is a disgruntled superstar. You don't want to get disgruntled, bro. Take care of. And for me, I just, I'll I've seen enough. I've seen it, Joe, I've seen enough. I saw it at Phoenix. I saw it at Portland.

I saw it at it. Look, I've saw it in the Lakers. How many more times you need to see? Aiton just doesn't have a consistent motor. Right. He's been at three. And the man's not 30. How old is Aton?

28. Because he was in that draft with Luca. He went one. Yeah. That draft with Luca and Trey Young. DeAndre 8 is 27 years old. Oh, that's it? Oh, he's going to get it.

27. Yeah, he's going to get his money. And I got to beg this man to give me effort. See, I can't do anything about, look here. How good you shoot? How good you, some things are just effort. Effort. How hard are you going to play?

How many times are they, son, I don't care. If you make a mistake, make it full speed. Because that's not necessarily a talent. That's something you can bring. bring every night. Energy and effort. You got to be able to bring that every night. And his hands.

That joke got a little, got a little, got a little, little, little tiny, little tiny hands. Tell me, tell me the time, Joe, you played in the league a long time. Tell me a guy that got worse hands than the Andre Aydon in the history of basketball. Sometimes they didn't pay them to be a little too hard for a month. Man, damn that, Ocho. Listen, let me tell you something. As a big, that's probably one of your, one of your, one of your. best attributes you can have,

it's a nice set of hands to where you can catch, period, point blank. That's the one thing that was great about playing with a Marri Stad of my Uncle Ocho, when I was in Phoenix. It didn't matter how you threw him the damn ball. He was going to catch it. Boy, got some big mitts.

You feel me? And when you got guys who can catch, hey, man, it makes a world of a difference. It's not, like I said, I mean, to ask a guy, I mean, just think about it, a seven-footer. Yeah. Kessler's turning down

140. It's being reported. He's turning down 140. The Andre Aiton, the deal that the Lakers could sign him for, that should be the Andre Aiton's deal. What, 140? Oh, yeah. 239.1 for five years. If he played the right way up, if he showed up on the court the right way,

that's just not him. It hasn't been him. They just get, you big, they're just trying to give you some money, Joe and Ocho. They're just trying to give it. If you're big, if you're a big, a seven-footer, they're trying to give you money. And you're right, but it's hard. It's like you, it's like, it's like,

it's like I just hired y'all for this new job, but I got to call y'all old job to get some, to get some positive, some positive news. But man, how was Ocho? How was Uncle? And they don't tell me nothing positive here. All I know is I look, if I look at you and I see your rating

and you don't been on three jobs and all of them give you an F rating, you think I'm about to call you? To do what? Ocho, who you calling if you know they got a bad rating? Right. You go, they got that, they got the grade of food. You go to a restaurant and they got a D.

I'm going to walk on Paz. Hello. Now, I don't know why they got a D, but I'm going to take their word that the food, the people that came by and graded them, they knew what they was talking about. So I don't know if they left the meat out. If they got rams, they got roaches. I don't know if the food was, I don't know anything. I just know somebody got a D in the window.

I'm walking on Paz. That's just me. I understand references, but in this situation, I don't need the references. I got my eyes. I saw him at Portland when Monty Williams and all those guys and Devin Booker and Chris Paul begging him.

I saw him in Portland. They begging him. I saw him in L.A. They're begging him. I'm good. I'm good. I'm good. Yeah.

Yeah. I'm good. He got AA. He still. I'm still young. I know it's probably, hey, I don't know what's going to happen, but I'm going to get, I'm going to let him get, I'm going to put him in on somebody else's time. Because in a relationship, Ocho, there are only so many times she going to tell you she

want to go out. Right. There's only so many times you're going to tell her, babe, you need to get up off there. Ooh. It's tough. There's only so many times, I am fit to keep begging you. Yeah. She's not fend to keep begging you to take her out.

Yeah. keep begging you to do something for her or with her. She's not. Hello. Because if you, if she with you, oh, Joe, she knows she a pretty good thing. If she with you, Joe, she knows she pretty good. But if y'all won't, he will. Hello.

Hey, oh, you ain't going to find nobody like me. Okay. Okay, she won't. She found your punk ass, did she? Yeah, yeah. You can walk back that door if you want to. Shoot. Huh?

What happened? There's only one old show. Yeah. They don't get yourself in no choice. I'm not having a baby, friend. That's my baby. Huh? So I'm just looking at this dude.

I'm like, bro, do you realize how this man, this man should be making like 600 million? In today's game, all you got to do is be decent. and play like 15 years, Joe, you're walking away with $500 million. After taxes, you know what? An NBA player today, that's worth anything.

After taxes should have by 200 million stored up. Oh, easy, easy. Hey, the way they're giving out the bag now, look, man, you can get, you can get $150 million now with no credentials. You ain't got to come with no all-star appearance, no all NBA. You ain't got to come with none of that.

Oh, you got to come with some pretty decent numbers, bro. That's it. Period. That's it. Game different, man. But we're going to find out. We'll see if LeBron, look,

it's been reported that he's going to, you know, they're talking. They'll probably try to get the number of the right. Look, Mark Walters, who owned the Dodgers, who bought, who purchased the Lakers, full ownership, we transferred to him at a later date and time. I don't know when that is,

but obviously he's a businessman. And he's got a lot of money tied up in the Dodgers. when you got Muki, you got Shohei, and you got all those Turner and you got, you just signed Tucker, you got a,

Yoshi. That's a big payroll. Big time. But they paid it off because they're winning. He wants to win. He wants to win. He paid 10 billion for the Lakers. 10 billion with a B.

They're going to, They're going to have to pay some money, boy and for your agency, what? But who that? Lakers, yeah. Defense, Joe.

They need D. Man, they're probably going to... Somebody to play some damn deep. Outside of Marcus Mark is Mark. I think, look, and that's the thing. If you're going to have a guy that's a little suspect on defense, you've got to have at least two to three defenders,

wing defenders on the court at all time. Right. All the time. Go look at the Knicks. What do they have? Josh Hart, McKell Bridges, O'G. Anonobie. Mitchell Robinson comes in to replace Cap.

You get Landry Shammit, playing defense. You go look at OKC. What do they have? With Shea, he's not the greatest defenders, but you got Dort, you got J-Dubb, you got Wallace, you got Caruso. You see what, do you see a real current theme? You look at the Spurs.

If Darren Fox, but you got guys like Castle, you got Bacill, you got that alien behind you, You see a real current thing what's going on here? So if you're a suspect at your point guard, you better have two to three defenders on the court at all times. Yeah. Because if you don't, they're going to,

especially when it comes to clutch time, what are they going to do? As great as an officer player is, when they get the clutch time, they put Luca or they put Austin Reeves in the picket roll every single time. Yep, you're going to be chopped liver. if you can't guard out there on that perimeter

and we got to get too much help, you're getting beat off the dribble quick because guess what? This is a point guard's league now. Okay, Ocho, it used to be a big man's league. Yep. This is a guard-driven league now. Kind of like the quarterback.

Everything revolves around the quarterback. Same thing with the point guard because he facilitates, he makes everybody better. Not only that, he has to be able to score that damn ball nowadays. Oh, yeah. And with that being said, if you don't have guys who can guard, you're in trouble, bro. The guy's too good.

They're just too good nowadays. From the perimeter standpoint, it's too many possessions. The game is played at such a high pace now that, bro, if you ain't got guys who are willing to do the dirty work, it's hard to win. And I got a question, Uncle Joe. Go ahead. Especially when it comes to basketball, right? We're seeing an influx of point guards now being 6, 5, 6, 7, you know, 6, 9 like that.

with Jalen Brunson showing that they can get it done shorter point guards can get it done like they did back in the days you know 6-1, 6-2-6-6-3 do you think that opens up the door for the NBA to still look at some of the shorter point guards as well being that Jalen Brunton just took his team to a championship

or they don't care not about that? Honestly, I don't think they really care too much about it because you got to look at the guys that's around Jalen Brunter. You know what I mean? The OGs, the bridges, the hearts. All these guys blue-collar hard working dudes, bro. They're gonna do all the dirty work for Brunson

to be able to chill, okay, you go guard Champinning. Yeah, he ain't doing them standing in the corner shooting three. You feel me? We're gonna do all this dirty work, but on offense, we need you to be the engine. We need you to get us going. We need you to have legs down the stretch to be able to close games.

They just got a great makeup of a team that Nix do. And yeah, it's kind of like anything. Like you're seeing with the Warriors, everybody tried to copy the Warriors style a running gun, having bids who can shoot the three, who can playmate. Man, this is a copycat league, bro. But in the 80-year history, how many six-foot guards have led a team to a championship? So are you going to take an isolated incident or are you going to take an 80-year body of work?

Right. See, everybody, oh, Drew, okay, for every short quarterback that's led a team to a championship, in 100 plus years, you got Drew Breeze and got Russell Wilson. So in 110 years, you got two quarterbacks. Let's just go back since the merger. We don't need to go all the way back to 1919 when the Acme Packers and all, then the Bears and all the Steelers came around in 30. And the Giants and came.

We just go back to the merger. I think the merger started in 67. Right. How many six-foot quarterback backs or below led a team to a Super Bowl? Mm. Two? Russ and Drew. Most of the quarterbacks than six three above.

I told this Eli. Eli by six three. Okay, okay, okay. John L, I mean, you're getting six, two and a half, six three. Obviously, you get Manning and you get Big Ben Rothersburg and you got Payton. I think Joe was six two. Steve Young is about six one, but you start going six and below. Yeah.

And you're right, as a copy cat league. It used to be everybody wanted small receivers. And then everybody, then all of a sudden, Jerry Rice brought his six to two ass in. And then everybody wanted to get six two and above receipts. receivers. Right. Yeah. So. Yeah. Yeah, you can, I mean, are you going to build your team,

especially for Jalen Brunson? It's like when you go back and look at Memphis, they built their team for job. They had Desmond Bain that could guard. They had Dylan Brooks that could guard. They had Triple J that could guard. Right. You see?

If you're going to build your team like that, okay, you got a chance. And even though, No, I didn't say, you know, Shea is not a cone. She's not a cone. But he's not an elite defender. They built their team with defenders. Right.

She's normally going to have the weakest offensive guy. I need you to rest, bro. I need you to say so with that energy for the other end. That's what they do with, like Joe said. That's what they did with Brunson. Man, Champagne, they do it never standing in the corner, man. Yeah. Go go ahead.

He ain't going to put it on the floor and take it to the bank. Hey, all he's going to do, hey, he's going to look to, spot him to shoot threes, and if you fly by, he's going to side step, a reset behind the three, and shoot a three. Right. Yeah. Yeah.

So it's going to be very, very interesting to see how this thing, how this thing plays out. Meanwhile, the warriors are prepared to offer LeBron a $15 million non-taxpayer, mid-level exception per Anthony Slater. Man, that ain't, man, there ain't, money. That's a million dollars in L.A.

in California. Hold on, 15 million what? You might be talking about four of an appearance in the Bay Area. Are autographs signing? Hey, hey, Ocho. Oh, that's what I'm saying. Here, Brun ain't signing there for the go to California.

In Miami or Tennessee, you know, somewhere they ain't got no taxes, that might be, you know, six, six, six, three. Hey, that's $11, $12 million. but in California? Right. Well, it's 13. 5% plus 30%

Oh, no, man. And then by the time you put FICA and Medicare, man, no, no, no. They don't talk 54, 54, 53, 53% of my money. Hell no. Hey, hey, I don't even see it no damn way.

I don't see LeBron taking that money in no damn worth. 50. Nah, uh-uh. Uh-uh. That man, hey, listen, I think you're going to get big money. He probably just do what Jordan did

them last year's Uncle Ocho. He just won. One year me out. One year, 50 million. Damn. 50, Joe? Hey, man, won't surprise me, Ocho. Damn.

I don't know. I don't see that man, Dave. Maybe, maybe 45, Joe. 50, that's... Ocho, do you see the money these dudes making room? Yeah, but they all young. We taught Ron from the B 42. Man, hell, he, and he's the king.

He's the leading score in the NBA history. Every point goes down in history. Yeah, that's what I said. 45. 45 ain't bad. Just knock, five men off that. They ain't bad.

It's going to be very interesting. What he does as far as, is it a one-year deal? And guess what? We find ourselves right back here in this situation. Either the two-year deal, you know, $45, $50 million, $60 million.

I mean, what's the deal? Because I don't think the Lakers want to be right back in the situation. Right. I don't think they're going past three. Maybe it's one year and an option. Yeah. I don't know.

We're going to see. I can see a scenario where he played, you know, 24. He feels like he said, he says long as my mind is sharp, and that's it. The desire, do I still have the desire to get to the, get to the arena five hours early, do all the things that I need to do, get those shots up? Do I still like getting that round of clock tree, you know, get to the hotel and I get, you know, Mike Macias meets me there and I get all this stuff taken care of? How, I mean, he's been doing it.

This would be a 24 season. We know he's playing this year. Let's sit aside potentially 25. We know he's going to play this year. Man, he's been doing this for 24 NBA years. How long have you been doing this in high school? They're doing this. He's 17.

Right. Yeah. Under the microscope. And remember, I've heard a lot of people, a lot of great say, it's boring and it's lonely. Yep. Most of the time,

greatness, you on that road by yourself. Oh, yeah. Yeah. I think he understands that, though. I think Brian understands that, bro. You know, he's a guy. Obviously, he's up in age

and he's doing something that's never been done, but he's a guy who keeps himself in elite shape. For sure. You know. And I think at this stage and point in his career, that's his biggest attribute right now. You know, keeping itself sharp, keeping himself strong to where he can withstand

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No, I don't. I don't agree. I think the thunder ran into the mishaps of the Spurs because they weren't totally healthy. We know that. Jaylon William. Jaylon Williams wasn't healthy. AJ Mitchell got hurt in what?

Second game, okay, Ocho. You know what I mean? So, you know, you lose two of your bucket getters against a Spurs team like that, yeah, you're going to be hurting, bro. I just think they, I just think they wasn't healthy, which is probably why, you know, they weren't able to advance to the finals. I don't believe that, though. What you thinking?

What's you thinking, Ocho? I mean, Jalen Brunson is as awesome as he is, but obviously, I think the injuries played a huge toll. Injuries played a huge toe. I mean, we know that they're running full strength, so it's hard to say. I think inserting Jalen Brunson in that place, I think they still do just as well. But if you talk about two different players, two different playing styles, both, you know, can get to their, get their shots off, they can score. So I think that really doesn't change much from a scoring perspective.

Yeah. What you think, huh? It's just hard to say. Because every clutch moment that they needed, right? They got it from Brunson. and if you look at it with the exception of, and Brunson didn't shoot the best, but when his best was required, they got it.

They didn't always get that from Shane. Yeah. Every game that when Jalen Brunson, he might be shooting terrible. He might be five for 22. He going to end up eight for 25 because he's going to go three for three when he absolutely got to have it.

Yeah. Yeah. Well, I think what you have is, considering the fact that OKC can't spread the floor like the Knicks can, because Hardinstein can't shoot. He's a hardworking utility guy, hustle player, as opposed to Kat, who Wimby has to pay attention to, has to stick to. It's a huge difference.

He can't just roam, play that free safety to where he can help everybody like he did in the OKC series. You know what I mean? Cat makes him have to stay honest because he can shoot it. Yeah, a cat won the first two damn games. And if you think about it, Joe, everybody for the Knicks that they were counting on played great. Now, they didn't all play great at the same time? Same time, yeah.

But like you said, Cat, and then you get McHale Bridges and you get a Josh Hart, and then you get OG playing consistent with the exception of the last game. And then you get Jaila Brunson. He's like, okay, y'all got, I take it from here. Yep, yep. Complete team. Complete team. You get Landry Shannon,

played extremely well. Mitchell Robinson, giving you big rebound, big second chance opportunities, none bigger than the game five when he had back, pushed him, up under him,

got the rebound and kicked it out and they had to file. Yep. Yep. Look, Caruso played unbelievable. Kaysam Wallace played unbelievable. But I didn't get that consistency

from Chet. Lou Dort, he didn't get you nothing on. They got a feat. get out, man. Okay, see, got the, they got to make some room anyway over there. Yes. That team is going to look a lot different.

I think so, too. It's going to look a lot different. Oh, yeah. You know who else going to look different? Yeah. Oh, Lord. Huh? I hope y'all get job, bruh.

I hope y'all get job. You might have Jock and Yonis. No, that ain't going to happen. And Joe, it's a whole lot of, like, riffraff going on with certain outlets, you know, talking about Yonis the Boston and Yonis here and Yonis there. And every time, you know, I don't want to get myself in trouble, but you know where he's going. I don't want to say no more.

You know where he's going. You got something to say. Okay. All right. Yeah. You know, we probably coming out east next year, though. Pat Bev joined the recent advice and said he's taking Jalen Brunson over Alan Iverson.

We got the video. Okay. Damn. Who said that? Pat Bev. Remember, he said he's taking James Harden over Dwayne Wade. P. Bell, my man's, bro. But I'm not sure if I'm taking Brunson over AI.

He said you're saying that simply because he won the championship. Yeah. Well, he knows it weighs heavy, too, by him saying that. Yeah, he's got some weight to it. Brunson in the conversation now. He doesn't, hey, he showed me a lot this postseason. Yeah, he showed me a lot. But, I mean, I tell you what, you think Brunson team to Knicks

beating Shaq and Kobe? Because that's what Adam Leverton was up against. Hell not. Nah, no. No, no. They only lost two games that whole playoff run and one of them was to AI. Yeah.

Yeah. I think when it's all said done, we'll see where it goes. But we got, like I said, Najo, rings are everything. Ring is everything. Yeah. I mean, I think Scottie Pippen's a phenomenal player. Scottie Pippen's not better than Larry Bird.

He's not better than Kevin Durant. He's not better than LeBron James. He's not. He has more rings. He's not a better basketball player than those guys. He's not. I agree with you. But because he has rings.

And Jaylen Brunson, look, Jaylen Brunson could go on. He might get two or three more rings. He might get an MVP. And then we'll have to revisit this conversation. Right. But Alan Arboros was one of the top players in the league. Alan Arsson was a top five player for about three to five years,

maybe more. Yeah. He changed the game, bro. Oh, Lord. On and off the court. He did. Yeah, that's what I'm saying. He changed the Ocho. All that stuff that you see, the corn rolls, the big, the big, like I said, you couldn't find no five X-Ts. He had them. The tattoo, the tattooed, yeah, yeah, yeah, he came with all that.

He's the one that they, uh, uh, uh, uh, David Sturston, nah, hell, nah, I'm tired of y'all showed up like this here. Hell to a, nah. He was, he was hard to, yeah. Hey, hey, that man, that man, that man, at 5. He got on some 40 jeans. Yeah, yeah. And he had to step in. The animals were running to do. Doing what they want to out there. Yeah.

Back I said, y'all remember Tim Dugge showed up and got this trophy with some Bermuda shorts and flip flops? Flip flops. Bad Davis was like, I can't believe you did this. Hey, man, it used to be, it used to be so lovely back in the day when I'm speaking like 02, 0, 0, 3, 04,

where you could just pull up to the plane, jump right on. They ain't check you with security. They ain't, man, it was boom, the bus stop right in front of plane. You hop right on. You can be having, you can wear whatever you want to wear, bro. It was the good days. Damn, yeah. I like it.

Now, I like to see, you know, I like to see the guys dressed up. I like to see the guys coming down. Now, it's a fashion show. Now, you, they're in Paris. Everybody coming to the plane. Everybody going to the arena. And you're talking about football, basketball, the WMBA, everybody is a part of this.

now. Yeah. I like it. You know, look, you're a professional. You're a professional. It's okay to be professional.

Look, I ain't saying if you got to spend a billion dollars, but I'm saying, you could have a nice outfit going to the gene. Yeah. I mean, excuse me,

coming to the game. Look, some guys go steal where the, Ant man, Ant man don't care. Ad man coming with sweatsuits and his hand man, and his Ant man twos. So y'all about to get that.

Yeah. I like Shea and Russ and LeBron and all them guys coming wearing that stuff. I like to see Chase and Jetta and all those guys, Joe Burr and all these guys coming to the game. I love seeing the WNBA. I love Angel Reese coming to the game and Cameron Brink and Benz and all those young ladies coming in your style. Hey, show your personality. Express yourself. I like that.

Yes. Yes. Yeah. Hey, they got their clothes laid out like day before school on it, man. And they wouldn't be stupid. Hey, them long leg, they'd be stepping too. You got a model height, you, hey, step! They'll be wearing heels, I'm like, come on with it in.

Hello. You're right. You're right. You're right. So, Ocho, we got out, Ocho, we ain't really, I mean, you know, I came okay, you know, had me a little Gucci boots here and there, you know, had the Tim, you know. Yeah. Oh, you best believe, oh, she'd be, stay.

I'm just stepping right now, though, for sure. Yeah, yeah. Hey, Ocho, I know you'd be cutting up right now with you, man. Probably so. Probably so. Back then I was playing a Joe, sometime with the receivers, we were, as a group,

we would wear, we would wear suits. If we say we come in in in suits, we'll wear suits. Outside of that, Joe, I had my dickies on, Joe. They had a green pair, gray pair,

or black pair. Oh, yeah. That's the, I kept a symbol, Joe. Yeah. Yeah. But I, you know, look, I'm a big guy,

like saying professional, you know, professionals be professionals. man you should be, bro, stop it. Them people tell you, they want you to wear a college shirt to work. You're going to show up with a college shirt. College shirt, yeah, absolutely. I don't know why people want to buck the system. If you don't want to wear that on, you get your own business,

then you get to come like a Zuckerberg with flip-flops and shorts. That's what you want to do. That's the quickest way to have your own dress code is to own your own business. Oh, yeah. And then you get to come as you want to. Yep. But when somebody else tell you, this is how they want you to dress on the job,

They say cackets and whatever the case may be. You got to what cackets or whatever else. The video made rounds of a backup point guard named Tyler Colick, briefly stopped by police officers who apparently didn't recognize him as a player. Take a look at this video, guys. Damn. He liked what he looked like. He looked like one of the fans that jumped the barricade.

He do. He did right in. I've seen him on the bench. But I can see, if they don't watch, they absolutely think he a fan to jump the barricade. arcade you got in there. That's an honest mistake of Napal. Yeah.

Yeah. Hey, look, he got that jumping around running. Hell, I thought he was, too, at first. I ain't going to lie to you. Bro. I mean,

how many the white guys that got on the team, too? He don't look like Jaylen Brunson. He'll look like cat. He'll look like none of the ones that normally play. Bro, get you.

Right, right. Hey, ain't anybody put it in there right back over their gate. Exactly. Exactly. They're looking at him like, bro, man, I play with the Knicks. I swear I do. Okay.

Dix ain't got no mascot. So, hell not. But, hey, he was having him. He's having him a good old time. Let the band live. It was, man. Hey, they look like they thoroughly enjoyed themselves out there today, boy. Oh, hold on.

It ain't over now. You know, they're from the party, what? he probably get that guess what he'd probably get that going to the game Joe they look at that who are you right

right you don't play on the team I ain't never seen you in the game you're probably right you're probably right yeah jaylen Brunson spoke at the parade let's take a listen what J.B. had to say

there's a lot of people who have a lot of opinions but when you prove them wrong You really don't have to say shit to them. Nah, they don't deserve it. They don't deserve it. Appreciate y'all. Thank you.

I liked it. Oh, you can't be short and sweet, man. He's supposed to talk issue. No, no. He said, I ain't got to prove y'all wrong. I just got to prove me right. And then you'll be wrong. I ain't got to call no names.

None of that. You know who you are. But y'all know who you are? Absolutely right. Hey, that's dope, man. I can't believe him. Him winning a title launches him in a whole new stratosphere.

I don't even know if he realized what winning that title does at his size in that city what that's done for his legacy. I don't even realize, I don't know if he realized. Probably not right now. You know, it's kind of hard

when you write in a moment, you know, to really, really, to really understand what you've done. But after some time goes by, maybe even a couple weeks, maybe even a month, fellas. You know, he'll probably think back like, damn.

Man, we really want to NBA championship. Yeah. Yes. Because it's so surreal when it's happening. And you just caught up in it. You were your boys. Y, y'all laughing. Y, y'all joking.

Like, man, we have it a good time. X, Y, and Z. And then when you get by yourself, you're like, man. Now everybody call you champ. Yeah. What's our champ? Yeah. What's our champ?

You walk into a room. I don't got to take a back to anybody. I got a championship. I'm the finals MVP. Hey, not only do I have a, a championship and I'm the finals MVP, but I did it in New York, fellas. I did it

in the Mecca, in the Mecca, bro. What is it? Fifty-three years? Uncle Ocho? 53. Yeah. 19703. Hey, bro. Brunson's stamp. He's stemmed, bro. He's stamped.

Mm-hmm. That's dope. Couldn't happen to a nicer guy. I had an opportunity to meet his dad. It's unbelievable. Like I said, as a matter of fact, Oh, I was at In Atlanta

When I met his dad I was at dinner And I met the other guys West And another guy I forget his name Was it Roan? Leon Rose

Yeah Yeah You know him in Worldwide West They don't want to put this team together Yeah I met both of them Yesterday Jordan Woods was asked

About the rumor No Sex rule The New York Knicks players Were allegedly Encoured to follow During the 10-week Playoff run The request reportedly came from the very top

with team owner James Dolan wanting players to fully lock in during such a critical stretch. Jordan made it clear. She and Kat didn't exactly stick to the plan, which what we talked about. You know, ain't nobody sticking to that plan. It's easier to stick to the plan

if you're like a boxer or you're like a fighter when you go away and they're not there. But if I'm there, I'm walking around, you're walking around, you get out the shot, I see that water glistening off your body. It's going to go down. It's going to go down. It's going to go down.

Yeah. Yeah. You need that reset, that reset away from practice, that reset away from all of media, all the stuff going on, man. Hey, man. I remember being in college and Coach Nolan Richardson was telling us about, I think it was a time when he was playing. So, you know, this was back in the day.

They would put stuff in their feet. They put stuff in their food to where they, their stuff wouldn't even get, it wouldn't even. Yeah, put that salt, they put that, they used to call it salt people. Yeah, I can't remember the name he said, but he said, your junk wouldn't even get hard. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. So you wouldn't have sex when you was competing. Well, you could. Hey, boy, you'd have to pour the gun at the beginning to get it up. Real dog, Joe, I'm telling you that. Man, like I said, if you go away, Ocho, like the boxes or people go away to train, you go six, eight weeks,

you had a camp, ain't no women there. No, no, no, that's easy. I'm not saying it's easy. It's easier. Yeah. Because the temptation is not there. Mm-hmm. But if you're around,

Oh, I'm laying there and she's snuggling, she back up next to me. Huh? You already know it. She got a T-shirt, though. You know, the best lingerie is a T-shirt, no panties. That's the best lingerie. But I'm moved to me. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, Mr. Dolan, I understand what you're saying, but.

Yeah, it sounds good. Look, I'm superstitious as well. Now, had we, look, we wore the same once we are, uh, uh, in the Super Bowl that year, we wore the same, everybody wore the same suit. So the last, we won that game in Kansas City,

we wore that suit to Pittsburgh. We wore that suit to play Green Bay in San Diego. But I don't know, I don't know. And I'm a very disciplined and I'm very structured. But boy, I don't,

I don't know about that. I don't know about that rule. Yeah. Hey, you got to be different, boy. Locked in. I mean, how many times the guy is going to go to the bar and knows that, you know, hey, he likes alcohol, he's going to go to the bar. For 10 weeks, sit at the bar. Really?

Guy got to get a problem. Ocho, Joe, he's going to go to the casino and sit at the blackjack table. He's going to sit at the crowd table. And come on. Let's be real. Like I said, if we go away, no problem. as a matter of fact just to make show

hey don't send me no pictures hey don't be talking just hey hey how you doing I'm good blah blah blah blah how the dog good hey kid you know if you married got kids good

all right yeah all that you but to be walking around man please because they're going to be a time that you're going to look back and wish you could

they're going to be a time and they're going to be longer than 10 weeks it might be be 10 months. It might be 10 years when all you can do is think about. What you used to be able to do. I'm a good day. We do that right now.

Hey, Joe, you, hey, man, Joe, you be thinking about, man, man, I remember I used to get up and down this cold. Hey, I can run up and down this coat, say up, eight, nine, ten times. Let three, four, threes go, get down, lay the ball up, get it back, do all that. All that is just a figment of your imagination now. Yeah Yeah Damn

Hey all I'm gonna get back to it though Well you better to get back to it for Ocho For Ocho You need to go and get that leg back strong Joe If I'm gonna do nothing else With tears in my eyes

You and Ocho look at me With tears in my eyes Yeah While I get this leg right Ocho I promise you Chat y'all hear me out boy you're gonna be the, I'm coming to Miami, you're gonna be the first person I come see.

I'll tell you what, them tears probably gonna keep flowing if you play me. Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, we talk about a mean demonstration on here with tears in my eyes, homie. You're gonna put it out on the joke? Hey, hey, uncle, he's gonna be crying.

If his ass, if he wanna go viral, damn he going viral that day. Yeah. Hey, Joe. It's so funny, it's so funny. I got a, I got a, Mexican homeboy just like you. What you mean?

What do you mean? Huh? He got one leg. You know what you call? One leg. Oh Joe. Oh, Joe. You know what?

I know we have a good time on here, but I really ain't the one to play with. I'm just going to keep it 100, would you? I really ain't. I really ain't. Hey, yo, when I look at you, it's a game. Okay. Huh?

Hey, Joe, when I see you, Joe, you like an Xbox. Okay, that's all I need. See, for a guy like me, Ocho, I just need one thing to piss me off. And once I get pissed off, it's a rap. It's a rap. And he pissed you off right now, huh, Joe?

He's pissed me off. And that man, Joe, Ocho, that man said you got him pissed to the highest level of pissivity. Hey, the funny thing about it, too, uh, you know what I did before every game? 11, 12 years straight, uh, I tried to piss my opponents off. I tried to piss them off because I want to. So you try to. So this is your tactic.

This is what Ocho is no for. I want you as mad as possible. So when I do your ass and you understand, there's nothing you can do. There's no training. There's no film. There's nothing you do to stop me from keeping me off your end. Hey, hey, hey, it's going to be, see,

when I'm pissed off, I ain't out of control. I have a control rage. You know what I'm saying? Oh, okay, very, very, very controlled rage. I know and understand how to, how to, keep things in the pocket and really do damage. Like, I'm really not what you're looking for, Ocho. I'm just going to

keep it 100. Hey, what you describe to me, it sounds like you're playing a video game. That ain't real life. That ain't real life. Because I got a set of skills a peculiar set of skills that over the time that I've mastered. That you required over a finite period of time.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah. Okay, I see. I'm about to unleash him on him. Okay. He don't even know what he getting himself into because I laugh and I joke and I entertain. Yeah, yeah, he takes you for a joke. He didn't even see another side.

Ha, ha, yeah. Yeah, you didn't even see another side, Joe. All right. Well, I'm looking for it. I'm looking for the other side. Hey, Joe, I'm going to flip your ass in the side out. Okay, well, I want to see it. I want to see it.

I want to see it. Yeah, I want to see it. You go see it. But, Joe, you got to get the leg. I mean, you're almost 100 pounds of pressure less on the left and the right. I'm working every day. I'm going to get there.

Don't even worry about that. I'm going to get it in you. And he's been working on LA for about the damn year. I ain't trying to hear that shit no more, man. Oh, Joe. It ain't been for 10 months. It's been 10 months, bro. Yeah, two more months is a year.

Yeah, that's two more months. I'm going to be right. What the hell are you talking about? All right. Yeah. All right. You rehab, how many days a week you rehab? Every day or five?

Every day you rehabbing. Every day. It's so funny, he rehabbing just to be back in rehab When I'm done with him All right, okay Boy, you're gonna see Chat, chat, I promise you I promise you

Boy, I promise you Hey look, if I won't put down A mean demonstration, boy, something wrong You hear me, I promise you But something wrong Something wrong already Hey, something wrong You think you could do something with me

In any sport Let alone-down, Joe I'm better than you at your own motherfucking job You think so And I'm a hoopper, Joe. Huh? Oh, wow.

Boy, I don't care. I'm ready, man. I was faking he gets you in football, Joe, but he's talking about he called... You think he gave me... Hold on, whoa, whoa, what make you think he'd get me in football? You think because he gets... Damn, old Joe. I can't give me no damn football?

Hey. Hey, Joe, Joe, Joe say, hey, all he got to do is put the hands on you because, you know, Joe got the long... What are he going to do with that? Tell the truth. What are he going to do with that? Hey, the same thing everybody else is for long on. I'm going to push...

Hey, I'm going to push his little lad down in the day. dirt. He ain't going to be in. What are you, man? Damn! No, ain't nobody fin to touch me off that line, Joe. Stop. Joe, so, Joe, you go, hey, what you're going to do? You're going to do to create? Hey, you're going to pretend like you walking off and freezing, jam. Yeah, he's going to stab. What you're going to do?

Open up. I'm going to mix it up. I ain't going to never. I ain't going to mix it up on you. I'm going to get him a little bit of everything. Oh, Joe. Hey, he's a, hey, he said, you know, hey, we saw what Steve did. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. You know that, Ocho. Quick jab and came in the slot. Step back in King and four.

Yeah. But that ain't work. Oh, or he got to stab. Hey, bam or bam. Hey, uncle, as soon as he stabbed, I'm grabbing that wrist and pull it through. I ain't really. So when I put my hands on him,

I'm going to lift his little ass up off the ground. Damn. Damn, Joe. Liff his little ass up, yeah. I mean, because you got five, you got five yards. Yeah, hello. Hello.

You got five yards. And you know. You know he don't like to be touched. He ain't physical. He don't want that. He don't want that contact. Damn, Ocho, that man said he don't want that contact. Who ain't physical?

He said you don't want that contact. Ocho. Come on up there with your bad self then. I'll tell you that. Matter of fact, the first rep, I'm going to just run right through you. That ain't possible. Just to set the tone to let you know. Hold on, oh, Cho.

You're going to run on the top of it? Run right through him. He think I'm a shake. I'm running right through him. Come on, come on. Come on, come on. Keep it 100, bro. Keep it 100.

Come on. I don't know. I don't know about that, Ocho. I mean, Joe, Joe say he's 250 right now. Who that mean? What did I tell you? If he's too 50, he's slow. He's going to be more,

his feet, his feet going to be moving to see me. I should be by 250. Ojo. And that six eight don't mean nothing Jolly Green Giant. I don't see that. I don't see that, Joe. Listen, I'm not under them. them other little giant turkeys you be playing,

Joe, I'm not one of them. Yeah, it's different over here, Joe. You know how I'm from? I don't know, Ocho, you better get your swat game. You better get your hands ready because I don't know you ain't did a whole lot of swatting lately. Um, um, listen, Joe, that's cookies. He, he think, he thinks he's been out there with them high schoolers.

Oh, I've been out of killing the high school. High school? High school? Yeah, them kids. Joe, out there working with. Those are, those are premier college. They have to foolers. They ain't...

And NFL receivers. Huh? Joe said he's a DB, though, Joe. Joe said he's a DB. Not only my DB, but you already know he damn show can't guard me. You know he can't guard me. Hey, hey, um.

Oh, Joe, say he, hey, Joe said he wanted the ball in the red zone. He said, just put it up. What that man going to do? Let me tell you, hey, um, if Joe is the DB, it's Stanford definitely burn. That's what it's going to be.

He definitely burnt. You get out there in front of me with that bull, guy. Joe, Joe said, hey, Joe said the red zone, say he moths and every time, man. Chat, know that. Hey, he's not even going to get off the line. All I'm going to do it, I'm going to jump, I'm going to jump, jamming.

He ain't going to get out. Oh, you're free. You're going to free. You go free. You go quickie, boy. And quick him, quick. Hey, hey, grab me right up in between here. Right in between here.

He's going to be, hey, he's holding. He's holding. Nah, I got five yards. Chay, y'all going to get to see it, I promise you. Y'all going to get to see it. Trust me. Hey, you've been saying that for 10 months, Joe. I'm about that. I don't, I don't, I don't, I don't stop.

No, now you ain't. And then, now all of a sudden, now he hurt. Okay. Here we go. Okay. Hey, he ducking smoke, um. Oh, my knee hurt. Child, please.

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