Nightcap - Best of NBA News Part 1: Kawhi Leonard on HOLD + OVER spend on Austin Reaves? + Rui Hachimura SIGNS with Clippers + Tyler Herro SALTY over Giannis trade
Episode Date: July 11, 2026Shannon Sharpe, Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson and Iso Joe Johnson react to the NBA putting a hold on Kawhi trade, Donovan Mitchell signs $273M extension with Cavs, Rui Hachimura stays in Los An...geles but with the Clippers and much more! Subscribe to Nightcap presented by PrizePicks so you don’t miss out on any new drops! Download the PrizePicks app today and use code SHANNON to get $50 in lineups after you play your first $5 lineup! Visit https://prizepicks.onelink.me/LME0/NI... 0:00 - Kawhi Leonard's trade from Clippers to Raptors on hold23:00 - Donovan Mitchell signs $273M extension24:40 - Lakers spend too much on Austin Reaves?29:33 - Rui Hachimura signs 2-year deal with Clippers33:02 - NBA GM believes Mitchell was paid too much43:02 - Kevin Durant interested in playing with Pistons49:16 - Tyler Herro throws shade at Bam and Giannis (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.
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The Clippers and the Toronto Raptors trade centered on Kauai Leonard will not be
complete until the NBA investigation whether the Clippers circumvented the salary
cap is completed.
The Clippers and the Raptors agreed to a trade on June 30th that would send the NBA,
the all NBA forward to Toronto for Brandon Ingram.
Grady Inc. A unprotected first-round draft pick in 2031, 23, and a 27 first-round pick swap
and two second-round picks. The NBA's investigation to the Clippers is focused on whether they
circumvented the salary cap by funneling money to Kowai through a $28 million endorsement deal
with a green banking company aspiration, which also had $300 million, 23-year endorsement deal
with the team. Team owner, Steve Barmer, who invested $60 million in aspiration,
has denied he had any knowledge of Kauai's deal.
The Clippers on Thursday said they did not funnel money to Kauai Lerner through aspiration,
and there were victims of fraud initiated by Aspirations,
excuse me, co-founder, Joe Sandberg.
Sandberg was convicted and sentenced to 14 years in prison.
Joe, the NBA loves the billionaires until they found out how they really do business.
What do you make of this situation?
Pablo Tori, he has a podcast, he was at ESPN, and he did a,
an M-depth deep dive. He had documentation of saying, okay, this is what they were doing.
He had a $28 million endorsement deal in which he didn't have to show up. He had other perks that
he didn't have to do anything and he just received those perks. Now, it is noted. He went,
him and his Uncle Dennis approached the Toronto Raptors about a very, very similar situation.
They wanted part of the team and they wanted this and they wanted that. And the upper management
told him that's illegal. We can't do that. We're circumventing the salary cap and the league
found this out, basically in a long story short,
they're going to punish you severely.
It was reported that they brought
the same thing to the Lakers.
And the Lakers and Jeannie Bust is like, we can't do that.
And lo and behold,
the one team didn't sign with Toronto,
he didn't sign with the Lakers, the one team
that seemingly, that's what it
looks like, allegedly, he
signed with. But this
is what's being reported. And they say
they're not going to
let this thing go through
until
they do their deep, down.
investigation. In order to sign the
Clippers, Kauai reportedly sought assurances
that they would extend far beyond
the basketball floor. According to the
athletic Kauai's advisor,
Uncle Dennis, requested ownership
staking companies, corporate sponsorship, and no-show
endorsement deals that allowed Kauai to
collect millions in revenue without doing
any actual work. Pablo Tori found
that Kauai and his employers
divide the foolproof system to
secure Kauai and additional
28 million in funding, additionally
Pablo Tori,
investigating found the aspiration
offered Kauai
an additional $20 million
on top of the $28 million nest egg,
meaning he was due to collect
$48 million.
The mechanism for Kauai
said resources
with KL2 and Spy LLC,
a company owned by Kauai
and Uncle Dennis, if I'm not mistaken.
The Kauai partner with Steve Barmer
led aspiration, a tree planning
company that went bust in March
of 2025.
Joe, what do you make into this?
Okay, old Joe, my honest opinion,
hell, it probably did happen.
I'm saying, listen, because, you know,
y'all know how billionaires move, bro.
Yeah.
Damn fair.
We're always going, it's always going to be a little uneven.
You know what I mean?
But I think to get quiet a commit,
hell man, this probably was an under-the-table deal, bro.
Hey, hey, we're going to take care of you.
We're going to make sure you make plenty of money off the court.
Hey, they just mess around.
they got caught. Now, the NBA could do a deep dive
and I know they rescinded to Chris Paul
deal back when he was with the hornet
they didn't let that deal go through.
You remember what they did to Joe Smith?
Yeah. When he had that deal, he signed that deal.
Minnesota. Yeah. And it put Minnesota
in hell for the foreseeable
future. It took, they draft
picks for the next three years. They said,
no, you cannot resign Joe Johnson.
Excuse me, Joe Johnson. Joe Smith.
And so he had a
big time deal on the table.
That it was, hey, we're going to go ahead and sign this.
thing soon as the season over, whoo, who, who.
And somebody got mad, and they went to the league office and told the league office,
and David Stern did not play, that foolishness.
And he hammered him.
So those are just the ones that got caught here.
Imagine the ones that didn't get caught.
Right.
Iso check your mic.
What happened?
It sounds like it's coming from your computer.
Oh, what about now?
What about now?
Say something?
What's up?
What's up?
Yeah.
Okay.
Yeah, okay, go ahead, go ahead.
Yeah, so it don't surprise me, man.
Hey, hey, these billionaires
gonna move a little different,
and I'm sure this was, you know,
we'll probably never know the full story
or the truth, but this was probably under the table deal,
bro, just keep it 100.
Ashley, can you change your mic setting?
I just did.
Oh, Joe, it seems to be,
he goes to one place,
wants all this stuff,
ownership stake in corporations.
He wants these deals
where you're going to give me
X amount of dollars, but I'm not going to have to do anything for it.
But even if that's the case, you still can't do that.
Everything has to be basketball related.
Now, he says that with the rafters.
Now he goes to the Lakers.
They said no, Jeannie Bus is reported that Jeannie Buzz said,
we can't do that.
Two teams say no.
It's seemingly, now he signs with a team.
Now, what's the likelihood that all three teams said no?
It seems to me two teams said no.
One team found a way to do it.
Hey, we'll do it like this here.
we put it in an LLC,
a boom, boom, boom,
you'll be a partner.
And if I'm not mistaken,
Pablo was reporting
that they created these companies,
these LLC's Kauai and his Uncle Dennis,
like shortly before the deal was commiserated.
Yeah.
Consumating.
Yeah. Excuse me.
Well, obviously, Uncle Joe,
for us, we actually actually
probably have a little history
and understanding on how billionaires were.
They become billionaires for a reason.
They don't do everything by the book.
They never actually played by the book,
which is why they're able to attain the kind of wealth that they do get.
When it comes to cut in corners, they know exactly what corners are cut to be able to get what they want done.
This just happened to be a situation where a billionaire has gotten caught,
they've gotten caught up in what they want to do in getting the player they actually wanted.
Most of the time, when it comes to them, when they do business, they throw money at it.
They throw money at it to fix any issue and to get what they want.
It just happened to be one of many that it happened to have been caught up in it.
Obviously, it did go through.
I'm not sure if the trade is going to go through once they do a deep dive,
but how much of the dive do you need to make?
You don't need scuba here.
I mean, you have great strong to see what was going on here.
You know, so I'm not sure what the dive is for.
It's not really necessary.
There's really nothing to get in depth about.
It's more so common sense and logic.
We look at the situation.
David Stern is not the commissioner right now.
So maybe Adam Silver may be a little bit more lenient.
but we'll see what happens.
Yeah, I just think the thing is that when you're dealing with a situation like this,
and they've, they have these big-time lawyers,
the lawyers are making $2,500, $3,000 an hour.
They went to all these prestigious schools.
They're a big part of these big law firms,
and they know how to maneuver.
And we see this a lot of times when they want to move money,
they create these corporations so it don't tie back to them,
and they get to move money over here, over there,
and you never know where it came from,
or how they came to be, but you just know.
They just know how to do things like that.
That's the way
if something happened,
I have,
because at the end of the day,
Joe,
and Joe,
I need plausible deniability.
And you see what he said?
I gave him $60 million,
but I had no knowledge
of where the money was going.
See,
he has plausible deniability.
So that's what I need.
That's what you have to create.
You have to create.
That happened.
I absolutely gave Ocho and Joe
$10 million apiece,
but I didn't know what they was doing
with that money now.
I'm,
I was scammed just to
much as you guys were.
Ocho, check your mic.
God, dang, everybody having a mic problem
today, huh?
Hold on, can you hear me?
Hey, my mic, you good?
I'm good now?
Your mic on Zoom?
It ain't now.
Hold on.
You good now, Ocho.
Oh, yeah, oh, yeah, yeah.
You know, I got this thing,
I got this thing Nip tuck over here now.
Yeah, but I, you know,
they're gonna do it, they're gonna...
Hey, Joe, can you hear me?
Joe, mute.
Nah, no.
Now, Joe, you muted, Joe.
Hey, guys, I probably find somebody
find somebody worse
that electronics
to me and technology.
Y'all still game?
Oh, there you go.
Yeah, we got you now.
How's it?
So, it's a very unfortunate
situation because, you know,
you want to make it much.
And plus the thing is, you have to get
extra money because why, guys, I'm in California.
13 and a half percent state tax.
So I need, I need some way
the money that I'm losing. I need the way to get
some of that back.
And what's the best way to get it back?
okay, you give me extra.
So if I'm just making $130, now you give me an opportunity to make $170.
Okay, you know what?
All right.
Okay.
But a little 24 meal in my pocket, I can do a little something with that.
Yeah.
But look, to get said play, I mean, we see this all the time.
When you want somebody, when they're coming out of college and it's Google or it's Apple of it, whatever the case may be, alphabet.
I don't.
If you want to really get one of these top-knit students, Ocho,
you got to make, you got to make assurances.
Okay, I'm going to pay for your apartment the first year of the first year.
I'm going to pay to relocate you.
I'm going to give you an additional.
I'm going to start you off at this,
but I'm also going to give you a bonus because you're in competition.
Yes.
Once you're valuable and they know other corporations want your services,
now you become a valuable commodity.
See, that's how value is created.
Boom.
And so Kauai, they knew he was valuable.
How do I make sure he doesn't go back to Toronto
and he doesn't sign with the team
that's at the penthouse in the building that we play in?
They said, no, there's no way he's going to the clippers.
No.
So it's going to be, it's going to be, it doesn't look good,
but sometimes things to the naked eyes, you know,
sometimes the eyes can fool us.
It's not a good.
They're going to do their homework, and who knows?
Maybe they find something, Ocho, Joe.
Maybe they don't.
Yeah.
We're going to find out here in what.
The next, I say, seven to 14 days.
They're going to find something.
You know, they're going to find something?
Why?
So you better, see, what happened is he beat out and playing big game, Ocho.
And he doesn't mess the settings.
So, so I got one, hold on, one more time, one more time.
So y'all really can't, y'all can't hear me,
I hear echo or what?
Yeah, I guess in production,
they hear it like you're talking through
instead of your microphone,
you talking through the computer.
Yeah, I can hear you.
I'm saying, but I sound funny or something, Ocho?
You look funny, you don't sound funny.
You want to have them log out and then log back on?
Okay.
He don't know how to fix it.
Hell, if he can fix it from Saturday,
he can fix it right now.
Yeah, yeah, dude, they normally talk me through it,
but we ain't been having no problem.
We've been Gucci.
Hey, I like that joke.
They normally, what?
They normally talk me through it, but what's you there?
Okay, okay, okay.
Okay, okay.
You hear what you're saying?
Normally talk me through it.
That's how they do.
They're talking right on through it.
Yeah.
Hey, you know what I'm going to get out.
If it don't come out of the wash, it'll come out of rent.
Hey, hey, y'all too damn grown to be managing like this, man.
You know, boy, y'all's so many.
You hear me.
I'm just saying.
Hey, that's the wrong,
wrong choice of words to you.
Talk you through it.
Yeah, that's what I know.
That's what we do.
That's what we normally do.
I mean, but somebody else talking you through it.
I ain't never heard that.
What time is that say?
A person that runs with a lie
eventually will stumble over the truth
because everything comes to light.
Yes, sir.
Yes, sir.
Yeah, you got to pause
the whole damn conversation.
I can't even have a conversation with the nightcap crew about my microphone without
I'm talking about some man and stuff. Come on, man.
Hey, I'm just saying it's your choice of wording.
Hey, Joe, that's all.
Yeah.
Hey, Joe, you're just telling me.
It's all good, Joe.
Now, I don't make you no bad brother.
Make you no bad brother, Joe.
Hey.
Hey.
I mean, don't, Joe, I don't look at you any different.
Hey, boy, y'all got a cheer.
Y'all got a cheer for real.
Y'all got to slow down.
For real.
I mean, you, you, you are who are.
are. At the end of the day, we are what
we are. Now, whether
you tell us who you are,
but that's who you are, even in your
most private moments, when Joe
John, when Joseph Johnson is home
alone by himself. Yes,
if there's no one else around,
that's who he is.
Yeah, you got to look at that mirror. You ain't got to tell
Ocho and I. Me and Ocho and I can survive
all we want to. And you got in the face
the music, John.
You know, yeah, y'all make
ourselves look guilty, man, when y'all
when y'all act like. Like, Joe.
Look, look.
See what I'm saying?
You can open it, he'll fly away,
or you can crush him.
But the bird is in your hand.
Hmm.
And again, don't make you no bad, brother.
It don't.
I like, that was real profile.
Yeah, yeah.
I like that.
I mean, Joe think we're going to be,
but see, I think the thing is Ocho.
He think we're going to look at him differently.
We won't.
Yeah, we're not going to judge you.
Hey, we're not going to judge you.
I'm not going to judge you.
What?
What you mean?
Judge me out of what?
I mean, I mean, you being authentic to yourself.
Being talked through it, huh?
Yeah, yeah.
Yeah, ain't no, ain't, listen.
What's your faith, Chuck?
What's your pay, Chad?
Yeah, they think that you won and Ocho two?
Or yeah, y'all won.
I'm going to tell you what they really think.
I'm going to tell you what they really think.
Chad really think, aren't won, and Ocho, you,
Ocho, fight you because you see what he pulled out of the other night.
I mean, damn.
That alone should make him number one.
Hold on.
Wait, what do you mean?
That ain't my stuff?
Who stuff was that?
I would just bring
stuff on to show you
and what you could do
in your relationship.
I don't use it.
And plus, Joe,
you might be ranked number third,
but we know you're going to win the battle.
We already know.
Number one seed don't always win.
Hey, y'all want me to be number one so bad.
It ain't going to happen, fellas.
I'm sorry.
Duh.
But here's the question, though.
Joe and Ocho, if they do find that the clippers circumvented the cap in order to acquire Kauai services,
what is the punishment?
What should the punishment be?
Ooh.
Because he got there in 2019.
So the 19, 20, 21, 22, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26.
So they basically had basically almost seven, eight years of his service.
Yeah.
They're going to try to, obviously, you know, they're going to try and put a big fine on them,
but they're going to probably take away draft picks.
They're going to try to make it tough so they'll have to suffer over the next 45 years.
For sure.
It'll ruin them.
Yeah.
Yeah.
Now, look, he's the wealthiest, he's the wealthiest sports owner in the world.
The man's worth $150-something billion.
So that ain't going to do it.
You know, you find him a million, $5 million, $10 million, $20 million.
that doesn't do anything to his pockets.
And he write it off.
The only thing, the only way you can get their attention
is to take draft compensation.
Yep, yep.
That's it.
Take that draft compensation.
First round pick.
Hell, I don't know if they got any first round picks anyway
after what they traded.
Yeah, they probably don't.
I don't know.
I ain't sure.
But they're going to have to make do with what they got
because they're going to damn sure try and punish them.
I don't think you have a choice
because what you try to do,
punishment should be swift and harsh.
But punishment is not about the individual
or the organization that committed the act.
It's also about sending a message
to deter others from committing said acts.
Yeah, right.
Because you already know what happened.
Once you find out that calling card,
guess what?
Now you got about 15 people got calling cards.
And the funny thing about it is there's always some funny business going on,
especially when it comes to Venice with people that have that kind of wealth.
Yes.
They don't do, they don't say always, not always, Ocho.
I hate saying always and never, but the thing is, and Ocho is talking about this,
man, to get that kind of wealth, you got to step on a lot,
you got to step on or step over a lot of people.
Yeah.
Yeah, I ain't saying you're stepping on them, Joe, but you got to step over them.
Hey, it's a dirty business, man.
It's a dirty business.
And most of the time when you were amass, you know, that kind of wealth,
I mean, you don't play by the book.
I mean, you never have anyway, you know, let alone.
So any shortcuts you can take, any advantage you can do to help your business in any way,
and it can tell you to, you know, grow your money exponentially,
you're going to do it.
You're going to do it.
Every issue, the one thing that they do, if you had that kind of money,
is you throw more money at it.
That's how you fix everything.
And when you have money, what don't you like being told no?
Because if you tell me no, Joe, I'm going to put a number out there that you got to say yes.
You can't refuse.
So that's what I'll do.
You say no, but I'll put a number.
I'll put enough zeros where you don't have a, you don't have no.
You're like, damn.
Yeah.
Because maybe you got a number in your mind that like, nah, I'm good.
But he goes double what that.
number you had in your mind.
You're like,
huh?
Like Q, remember Q?
Like, huh?
Yeah.
And so it's going to be very interesting.
I'm going to see, I need them to go ahead and find this thing up.
If they find something, hey, do your punishment, do whatever you're going to do to
the clippers.
If you don't find anything, let this thing go on and go through.
Because you got other players in Limbo also.
This is not just about Kauai.
Yeah.
You got you got B.I.
that's in limbo is reported that they're looking
to probably possibly move on
move B-I somewhere. I don't know.
Yeah. Just been reading, you know, trying
to see what's going on.
You got to, like, oh, man, that dude last
name. I don't know if I think I might have
to change my name. Hey, this is a
man name, man. Yeah, Joe.
Yeah, it's okay.
He'd say, listen,
that's the family name. Yeah.
Listen.
I'm going to have to go Hollywood.
most of the people in Hollywood got different names.
That ain't their real name.
I'm gonna get me.
I'm gonna have to get me a new name, but I can't.
What happened?
And you see the guy, uh, he swapped Jersey with somebody.
Did you see the guy he swapped jersey with?
His last name was black.
Black, yeah, yeah.
And the other guy's last name was it.
Yeah.
They're holding the jerseys.
Come on, man.
Joe, I can't do that, Joe.
I can't.
Come on, Joe.
Hey, and they know what they mean.
It's going to. Ocho, you know what he's talking about?
Nah. It's a cat. It's a cat from Toronto.
He was in the trade, too, going to the clippers up.
Yeah, Grady.
His name, Grady. You can't say the word?
You can say it. That's his name. His name Grady Dick.
Yes.
Okay, okay, okay.
Yeah. So, uh, but he traded swap jerseys with a guy, I think, from Memphis.
Yeah.
No.
It was black.
For Orlando.
The black.
Yeah.
His last name was black.
Right, right, right, right.
holding up one name black and the other one name.
Hey, they did that on purpose, man.
It ain't clouded.
Yeah, you got, hey, hey, man, hey.
Because most people, hey, hey, what's up, Johnson?
They call you by your last name, bro.
Don't call by my last name.
Call me Grady.
Call me Grady.
First of all, I hadn't heard nobody named Grady.
normally people named Grady
you've got to be at least 50
at bare middle
when the last time you heard somebody called Grady
I know, hold on, hello
I mean the last
Grady I know is Sanford and Son.
No, my dad's brother, my uncle,
his name Grady, his name was great.
How old is he?
I'm 58, I guarantee he older than that.
Yeah, yeah, he's older than you all, but he passed away.
If you, if you 50 are older, you got them,
you, you're okay, can be Grady.
But there ain't no 20-year-old name, no Grady.
Nah, nah, nah, no, no.
We close, Ash.
What's that?
What's in three minutes?
Ah, Shakur, coming on.
Oh, let me, hold on.
Let me get my head gear.
I'm gonna beat his ad.
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Mitchell has agreed to a four-year,
$273 million match contract
with the Cavaliers.
The extension includes a player option
for the 20-30-31 season
and a full-trade kicker.
Donovan could have waited
until next summer for an additional season
worth 80 million,
which would have been a five-year,
353.
Joe?
Nah, he did right here.
Anything you can do with 275 hell, you can do, man, no.
Hey, congratulations.
What can't you do?
What's the only thing that you can do with 350, with 353 that you can't do with 273?
I'm confused.
Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, shout out to that boy, Donovan Mitchell, get your money, man.
Well, listen, Donaldson.
Donovan say, hell, I ain't taking no day of her cutting either.
Hell, this team going to have to work.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So hopefully, hey, Brum, brun, if you.
you seen this, hey, if you're coming over here, man, look, look, we love to have you come back
home, but boy, look, I got to get my money, man.
For sure.
Yeah.
But you see, that's what you call him, because whatchikov can sign a four for 279.
Who?
Yokic, but Yolkish said he's going to wait next year.
Oh, yeah.
If he takes the $5.3.509, play that out, $724 million in NBA earnings he would have made.
Yolkish got them folks in the headlock.
You know what I mean?
Hey, hey, his game built for the long haul.
You know what I mean?
All he got to do is stay healthy.
That's it.
Come on, man, that's it.
Five, a 270 street.
Ron doesn't have had it all.
Yeah.
It may have been to league 23 years.
He had it all.
He just seen it all.
He got the pitch.
He got the pitch from Miami to go to Miami.
He got the pitch from Cleveland to come back to Cleveland.
I mean, he didn't really, I mean, Magic didn't have to do anything to him.
Magic just.
Rich Paul and
Magic went to Rich Paul and Braun
and hey,
like, what you got?
That's it.
Yeah.
I just,
I'm not,
I'm not surprised by this.
I'm not upset by this.
I mean,
it was the right thing to do.
Once Luca vouched for AR,
and rightfully so,
AR has gotten better and better and better
before he got hurt.
He was averaging 28 points.
He averaged 23 points
on the regular season.
He's a phenomenal offensive player.
They're just challenged,
defensively.
Yeah, hey, look, I'm glad
AR got paid, but, boy, listen,
that damn 45, what do he make,
what he gonna be making it on?
Yeah, he got, what,
four years, 180 something?
That's good, that's good for him on.
Four years, 180, so 45 a year.
Yeah, it's great for him.
I'm just saying, expectations come
with that damn 45, oh, Cho.
What's going to change?
What's going to change, especially for someone
who wasn't, like nothing.
He wasn't even drafted, uh-uh.
because they didn't have the expectations
when you didn't make nothing.
Your expectation changed
when you became one of the highest paid.
Hey, hey.
So now...
They expect 100 yards of game.
Yeah, yeah, every game.
Hey, listen, and check this out.
And check this out.
If I'm the opponent, now, okay, damn,
I'm going to $45 million dude.
Hell, if I shut his ass down,
what they're saying about me.
You feel what I mean?
Joe, I like what you're thinking, Joe.
Yeah.
That's a, hey, people going to compete
a little harder against you now, bro.
That's what it is.
You're going to be at top of the damn scour report.
now.
Yeah, AR, yeah,
don't give him no space.
Make him a driver.
One thing about it.
Awesome Rees,
we'll put your ass in the blender now.
I know,
I'm room for him.
I know.
That's your homeboy.
He's from Arkansas.
Oh, yeah?
I'm room for him now.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Hey, Joe, tell he come on the show,
man, holl at your boy, man.
A.
I bet I'm hit him.
Yeah.
I'm hit him.
Hey, I got to ask you a question, though, Joe.
What's the question?
You think that ain't could beat me one-on-one?
Yeah, here, sir, you wouldn't even score here.
Hey, hey, don't get it twisted.
That white boy can play, man.
So what you?
I know, I know what you're thinking.
I know what you're thinking.
You know, we have a tendency not to give them a lot of respect sometimes,
but that white boy can play.
I respect everybody, Joe.
But I'm just asking, I just want to see what your answer would be as my co-host
to see if you had any faith in me.
But, okay, I got you, Joe.
Well, I got to keep it 100.
I, you know, I don't know the way, Ocho.
I'm going to keep it 100 with you.
You know what I mean.
Okay.
I appreciate that.
Yeah, no doubt.
The Lakers are offering Jonathan Cominga
a starting role in their free agent pitch
per Anthony Slater.
Los Angeles projected starting line up
if Cominga signs, Luca,
A.R. Caminga, Sandro,
Mama Keeleish,
Beely, and Walker Kessler.
Joe.
Hey, what? You don't like that all?
Who's going to defend?
Uh, Caminga.
Huh?
Camingo going to be a two-way guy.
You know, it's thought.
I said it's going to be a little different.
Yeah, you say, damn, Joe, he ain't want to play side next to step.
Hey, listen, man, when you don't been through a few situations
and you kind of know and understand the pecking order,
hey, you better get your ass in line and figure out what it is you can do
and figure out and figure out what it is you can do
or bring to the team that can make us better.
They don't have defenders.
Okay, Ocho, they need a guy who can sit in that church.
So what about Sandro?
What are he going to do?
Man, I don't mean.
You a shooter.
Who the hell is it?
I don't even know what it is.
He got him off Toronto, and he didn't shoot, he didn't shoot as good as Rui.
And what they paid him, they paid him more than what they were offering Rui.
Hey, I ain't got no rhyme and reason for what the Lakers doing.
Lakers trying to build out there with a nice little roster, a little bit of, a little bit of everybody can contribute to some degree.
Hell, they ain't trying to be caught up like Boston.
They're glad A.R.
Didn't he, he gave him a little haircut.
He did.
He could have got a five-year, like two something, two-thirty-nine.
Yeah.
So, hey, man.
maybe the lake is trending in the right direction
we gotta get the Lakers a chance.
I know they look like a four on the team over there
but hey we gotta see what it's going to do.
We definitely go see.
We definitely going to see it.
Like a frat
like a frat house.
You know what a little color sprinkled in there.
Roy Hatchamura
agreed to a two year $28 million deal
to sign with the clippers.
The Nets, Spurs, Timberwolves, Warriors
all made free agents offers DeRoy.
He refused to leave Los Angeles per shams, Ruitt, was only open to resigning with the Lakers or going to the Clippers.
Damn, Ruiz.
Hey, dude, say, damn, Ned, I love California.
Hey.
And I think, see, the Nets would have had to make me an offer I can't refuse because I know I'm not going to win.
Right.
So I got two years 28 million.
Joe, they're going to have to give me two years, 50 million.
Yeah, you don't think that was on, you don't think that was on the table for him, though?
I'm just saying, they got, they got a blow.
they got a blow bill.
You know what?
As a matter of fact,
Joe, I need three years.
I need a player option for 35.
And can I ask you a question,
Uncle Joe?
As well as Ruey played in the postseason, right?
As well as he shot.
Yeah.
Can you please explain to me
why his numbers are so low
compared to everybody else getting paid?
Because he's a good.
I think,
I think it's because he's a great
complimentary piece, Ocho.
He is not a guy or going to be your main one or two guy.
You feel what I'm saying?
Yeah,
He could be a third or fourth score or utility guy who can be consistent.
But I don't really think, you know, guy you really depend on heavy on.
You know what I mean?
So now probably with the clippers, I mean, obviously, what do you get?
Two years, 28?
Two years, 28.
Basically 14 million a year.
Hey, man, ain't a whole lot of pressure on him, you know, go out there and play free, living in California,
playing with a young team.
I don't know if they're going to be no playoff team.
The clippers?
Yeah.
why they didn't make the playoffs with Kauai
how they're going to make the playoffs
without him?
They got some added youth over there
some guys who they know going to be available.
T. Lou will have to coach his ass
and T. Lu my guy.
Yeah.
But T. Luke got his hands full with this team.
Yeah, you're going to need
see what it is. You need some hungry
some hungry guys who've been
disrespectful. Ocho coming into the season
trying to prove something. That's what you need.
That's why I think J.B. going to show out. I think he
going to show out.
I don't know, Joe.
What?
The Warriors, man.
Okay, Timor Wood, can you, man,
Rui, uh,
because he'd feel the role by Fonaut,
Knaz Reed.
E.
But,
but, Joe,
I told you the Spurs.
I really loved him with the Spurs.
Yeah.
Yeah, I don't know.
Playing alongside Wimby?
He was going to get plenty of damn shots.
Yes.
Look at the shots that,
that Champany get.
Look at the shots.
that of a sale get.
And you're right, because I think
Ruud, he'll be a star in his role
in San Antonio. But for whatever reason,
I don't know if the money wasn't right.
He loved California.
He better me.
You were the left on?
My last guy's got to be in San Antonio
to that day. Okay, okay.
Well, you went, well, and play in front of who?
And play in front of who?
Whibby.
You got Whibby.
You're playing alongside with me.
You're coming on the bench.
You're not going to start.
No, he probably was starting.
In front of who?
One of them guys got to come out the bench.
I don't think Dillon Harper coming off the bench again.
You think he's coming off the bench?
I don't.
I don't either.
Listen.
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that have delighted us, the teams that have inspired us, what we're loving and what's
surprised us, all to the lens of being massive fans of the world's most beautiful game.
Daniel, this tournament has been magical so far.
The expanded field of teams has created some incredible matchups that have already made this World Cup one to remember.
And now things get even more exciting with the intensity of the knockout rounds as the field is whittled down to one World Cup champion on July 19th.
When you say it like that, I get a pain in my heart that the tournament is over.
But there's a lot of soccer yet to go.
And if the first few games of the round of 32 are any indication, anything is possible in the lead up to the final.
We've got it covered from an ultra's perspective here on the away end.
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It says Donald McChryntral contract is too much for that guy
that isn't generational talent per Tim McMahon.
One GM said in terms of the count of money,
you've got to be a generational talent when you get $70 million range.
There may be only a couple of players in the league that are worth that kind of money.
Hey.
Hey.
Hey, is, you know what?
Go ahead, Joe.
That's y'all.
We talk about time and it's everything.
Okay, Ojo.
It is.
You know, hey, this is Donovan.
His time is up.
And damn it, this is what the max contract is.
This is the going rate.
This is the going rate, bro.
Hey.
And he's a hell of a player.
And to some degree, I can kind of, you know, see what the owner is saying.
But, hey, man, it's his time, bro.
It's his time.
It is.
I mean, it used to be.
I mean, there were the time that, you know,
but they've always been situation where guys
because I remember when John Conk had that big contract,
the Hawke gave him that big contract, Joe.
Yeah.
And nobody's like, what?
Yeah.
Shack was like, what?
All the big was like, he got what?
Yeah.
And so everybody, Donald is a phenomenal player.
I wouldn't look, look, when I hear generational,
I'm thinking Magic Johnson.
Kobe. I'm thinking Shaq. I'm thinking Jordan.
I'm thinking Kevin Iran. I'm thinking
Steph Curry, Yokich, LeBron.
That's what I, when I hear generational,
now you got generational
and then you got transcendent.
Transcends the sport.
Yeah.
You know, generation is, what, 25 years?
Transcending.
It's different, man.
Guys that when they're done,
you won't be able to tell the story.
of the NBA without them.
Without them?
Yeah.
Oh.
Yeah.
And it just, it's a testament to how far the game of basketball has come.
Yeah.
You know, think about it, man.
When Shaq, what he signed for when he left Orlando coming to L.A., like a hundred or something?
Yeah.
Yep.
And then you get KG up.
That's why they call him the big ticket because he had one of the biggest contracts ever.
It probably like, what, 115 something meeting like that?
Yeah, like 122?
Yeah, and now, hell, man, that's, hell, you get that.
Well, they're doubling that, Joe.
Oh, Joe, you can get a $120 million contract right now.
You ain't got to have no credentials behind it.
Kristen Brown got five for $1.25.
Come on, man.
Woo, come on.
Look at what did Morsgolf get.
Timothy Morsgolf.
Yeah, it's different, bro.
It is.
The game has advanced.
They make it so much money nowadays.
and when your time is up
and it's time for you to get paid,
the timing is right.
Amen.
Yeah.
Beep, be it.
You just hear that damn brink.
I can't begrudging.
Hey, I told my mom,
I tell my mom all the time,
Ma, you could have waited another 10 years.
Hell, you're only 25 when you had me.
My mama said, boy, I was done.
They say, Mary, what you want?
Boy or girl, my mama say it can be a lizard.
I ain't having them old damn kids.
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I ain't gonna lie to you boy
yeah
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Ocho, Joe, they say these are the worst
NBA contracts per Bleacher Report.
Joellen B is about to start
a three-year, $187 million
contract.
Trey Young, four years
$212.
So basically it's $213, because it's $212.9.
Paul George has two years left, Joe,
at 110.7.
Dearon Fox starts
a four-year 221.7.
Devin Booker
has four years, 250,
20.6 remaining.
Donovan Mitchell, five years,
323 million.
Patrick Williams, three years,
154 million,
and Christian Brown, five years
125.
Damn.
Ye. Hey, them boy getting
to that money on, boy.
They're getting it, boy.
Hey.
And how was Donald Mitchell? Donald Mitchell might not
even be 30. He might get an opportunity to get another
contract, Joe. Yeah, he already
ain't had a couple big ones. I already.
I mean, get another big one.
Yeah.
Hey, hey, the one thing about it, man, look, real talk.
If you keep yourself in great shape and you want to the top guys,
boy, you can come, hey, you can circle the block at least two, three times.
I'm talking about healthy, you know what I mean?
Yes.
And, C. Joe, you say that.
Don't they see that?
If you keep yourself in shape, Ocho, you can make money for a long period of time.
You can extend it.
You might can get even a couple of years.
And as we used to say, hey, man, I'm going to steal me a couple of years, eh.
They don't know for me.
I'm going to steal me two or three.
I'm telling you.
Hey, that's how you got to look at it.
But you also got to, man, you got to have wise people in your corner, Arnach and Ocho.
And I say that because when I got drafted to Boston in O'1, the assistant coach that I had, Lester Connor.
He played in the NBA for like 12 or 13 years.
Unc might know him.
I know Ocho probably don't know.
Yeah.
But, bro, if it wasn't for him, Archa Ocho, giving me the game, showing me the ropes, you know, showing me how to
eat, look, man, look, you're going to
have an appetizer, which is your rookie deal.
Then after your rookie deal, shit, that's when
you go up for your main course, you know, you hit them
cross the head, Bing, Bing. You hear me?
Because back then, Ocho,
you know, they were doing five and seven-year deals.
It wasn't really no four, it wasn't
no four and five and three-year deals.
Right. So you'll be locked, you'd be locked
into your deal for quite some time.
So you had to get it.
Yeah, so after that main course,
he was like, then you come back for a little dessert.
You know, hit them cross the head again.
But you got to take care of yourself the whole entire time.
I'm like, I'm locked in.
I'm locked in.
Hey, Mom ain't never got to work again.
We good.
Yeah.
Hey, Joe, now you get these guys, they're doing these three, four-year deals every three to four years.
So guy coming out, he, he's 18, 19.
By the time he's 26, he done two deals.
Now, by the time he's 30, he's going to get ready to do a fourth deal.
Yeah.
Yeah.
So it's like Joe said, they were tied guys up six, seven years.
Now they got these guys
He got a three year like Joel and B three year 188
Yeah
Or you got four years 112
I mean 212
Or you got Donald Mitchell
Five for three
For 323
That's 60 year
That's filthy boy
Hey hey
It wouldn't be nothing that would be able to deter me
From reaching some of those goals
That I would want to reach personally
I'll be working so damn hard
I'm telling you man
Listen that's all I can think of I think about the next contract
Like okay cool
I ain't never got satisfied
And when I did get paid
That's how I was Joe
Man that's how I was Joe
Because look
I ain't thinking about this
I already got this
I'm thinking about the next one
Hey hey
I'm gonna sign on the dotted line
This one coming
Hello
Hello
Now let me see three years
Hey three years
Hey I'm 20
I'm 20 24 25
can I get a three-year deal?
Hey, you're doing the numbers.
You know black folk don't play, boy.
Yeah, yeah.
Black folk won't do them numbers, boy.
Yeah, yeah.
And most of the time, it takes a certain type of player, Uncle Joe,
to get that main course and still have that same hunger.
Ignore the money.
I ain't worried about how much I'm making,
but I still want to be that same player to continue to prove myself.
A lot of people get that big bag,
you've seen it, you've seen it, Joe, you've seen it,
a player that get paid that good time,
that good one time.
Shut it off.
And they fall out to play, they shut it down.
Yeah, they feel like they...
I love guys.
They get that big money, but they play like they broke.
Yes, sir.
Yes, uh.
They play like they broke.
Yes.
I was like, bro.
I mean, if you don't mind anything else about talking,
Brady, all he had an accomplish,
all the money he had done made,
you'd swear that dude,
still trying to make that.
damn team for the first time,
Ocho. Because in his mind, he still
was that sixth round draft pick that everybody
overlooked. And every time he went out there,
he tried to prove every team that passed over him.
He tried to make him pay.
He did. He did.
And their respect and passion.
And that's how you got to do it. That's how you got to do it.
You got to go out of it like
you're not. I ain't got a dime.
I ain't got a dime.
Hmm
Kevin the Rand reportedly
is interesting
in playing with
Cade Cunningham per
Brett Seagall
that Houston
are expected to bid
for his services
if Houston
ever makes them available
you gotta make them
all for they can't refuse
anything
you could have anything
you want
other than Thompson
and and
Hey hey
I can see that happening
because you got to think
you remember
Durant said
whatever he said
in the media
but I mean
and then
Burner
County had about his teammates and they found out
it was him. It could be some bad
blood over there. Okay.
You know what I mean? Now,
I wouldn't mind seeing KD
play with Kade. I think that would
be a piece that were ultimately
put the pisses over the top
because what they were lacking in the series
was scoring, bro. It was too much on the
Yeah. Consistent score
because in that last game
if Kade couldn't do it, nobody could do it.
You know, Tobias had a
great first round, had a great second round.
But those last three games with a,
I had a great first ride with Orlando,
and then he had a great first three,
a couple of games with Cleveland.
But after that,
Hey, what's Katie number this year, huh?
What's you mean?
What you mean?
Like, how much he, how much he, how much he making?
Huh?
Yeah, how much he's making?
Probably by what, Joe, by 42, 43?
I'm trying to think we got enough.
We got enough room for now.
We ain't got no room.
No room for what?
Nah,
cause y'all got to pay what you call them?
Y'all is about to get a next picture.
No, we can't.
Please.
You think y'all was,
you're trying to put together a dream team?
No,
Ocho,
they ain't going to work.
Hey,
hey,
I'm,
I got a call.
I got a call.
I got a call.
I got to call KD.
See what KD want to do.
No, no,
.
no,
they ain't going to work.
I'm sorry.
They ain't going to work.
Yeah.
Oh, we make it,
uh,
54.7.
God,
yeah,
got enough money.
Shit.
That includes a two-year $90 million extension
that includes a player option
for 27, 28.
Yeah.
Hey, if KD came out east,
Uncle Ocho,
but I think the east would be a lot tougher
than the damn west
because the West would just be top-headed
with about 3 to 14.
Yeah.
I don't know.
I mean, maybe they won't draft compensation,
but I don't know other than,
I mean, you can't have K.
I don't know if San Antonio, excuse me, San Antonio,
does the Rockets, do they want during,
to put him with Shingoon?
Hold on.
I'm trying to think if we can do a sign and trade.
I'm trying to see what we can offer.
I don't want to give up Thompson,
and I'm not giving up Kay Cunningham.
So I'm trying to think what kind of package Detroit can put together
to potentially pry KD away.
That's a good one.
I don't know.
And that's something they're going to have to figure out here.
right.
But now the question is,
now that they got smart
to pair him with Thompson,
two defensive guys,
are you,
or am I willing to get rid of,
I don't think,
even with that,
I don't think,
I don't think,
I don't think,
that's just me.
No,
but I think,
I think,
you know,
why,
because Katie,
he still got a lot of value,
too,
now, okay,
Ocho.
Yeah,
for sure.
A team.
Because they still don't
got a point guard.
They still,
because you still don't have a point guard.
I don't know,
man, you know.
What about put Brian in Houston?
Damn.
And we gotta stop, we gotta
we gotta stop throwing, stop throwing
the gold around like that and trying to put him on every team now.
It's a lot of intriguing spaces, O'Chio.
No, we, we, we, nah, no, no, no, no, no.
But we're not, we're not going to treat him like a dream.
And he ain't no journey.
No, he ain't, but wherever he go, he's going to be there for the neck.
I told you where he going.
Hey, hey, hey, don't, don't, don't.
Don't get mad at me, bro.
I'm not getting mad at you.
I'm mad at y'all hypotheticals.
We keep up.
Huh?
Y'all, take your heart out of it.
Take the emotion out of it.
If you take your heart and emotion out of it,
you understand where you're going.
That's what we're trying to tell you to do,
but you ain't listening.
All right, all right, Joe.
Y'all don't want to listen to me.
You know, I got elite ball knowledge, man.
Okay, I'm going to take your word for it, Ocho.
Appreciate that, man.
I'm just trying to see a scenario, Joe, where he can go.
And, you know, hey, Ocho, that'd be a great place.
for us to go watch a game.
Where?
Miami?
Houston.
And so, Badger.
Hey, Joe, we lead the game
and go straight to the spot.
Look at it.
Now he want to do it.
Now look at it, boy.
Now look at it, Joe.
Hey, I like it.
Hey, listen, I like it.
I like the aesthetics of it.
Yeah.
Huh?
You know, just thinking about it.
It's cool.
But no, we ain't winning nothing.
We ain't winning nothing there.
Yeah, he's coming to Miami.
Oh, man.
Hey, that was a good one.
That was a good one.
That got me hype.
They got me hype real quick.
So Kevin Durant, let's see what, hey, let's see what happened.
I mean, Monday is now when all the deals can take place.
I mean, can be, can be, you know, stamped.
And so we'll see.
Let's see if somebody want to make a move for KD.
Oh, yeah.
Tyler here wrote through Shade at Bam out of Bio.
and an Instagram DM with a fan
after being traded in Milwaukee.
Hero said, you should get paid
$60 million to be a top-tier defender
on some nights. I'm just wondering.
Bam was paid $50, $58 million
over the next three season. He averaged
20 points, 10 rebounds,
3.2 assists,
one still 44% field goal shooting.
Here, Hero posted a graphic show
and Janice and Bam have the lowest
field goal on mid-range
field goal attempt. Look at this.
Damn, hero posted there.
And the DM?
Damn.
Hey, the hate be real, don't it, man?
Yeah.
I mean, you know, it's gonna be real.
If he got in that locker room, you know, they look, you know,
you know, I don't want to put it out there,
but y'all know what's going on.
Y'all know what's going on.
Oh, okay.
Okay, yeah.
Yeah.
Okay, yeah.
Okay.
Yeah.
Yeah.
I do your own research.
I ain't happy y'all.
Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Yeah
Hero posted a graphic on his IG story
I mean, Lamb ain't trade you
Damn
You need to get mad at Riles
And plus Riles upset
That you every year at some point in time
You gonna get hurt
You know how Riley feel about that
Joe, you play for him
He hate that
Emotions high
Okay, Ocho
Emotions I can't get mad at the damn player
Right, you can't
What man,
What bam to?
I thought that was his dog.
I thought that was his men.
I thought so too.
Dang.
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