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Episode Date: May 17, 2026

Shannon Sharpe, Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson, and Joe Johnson react to the 2025 NBA Draft Combine results. The Nightcap crew goes crazy over AJ Dybantsa posting the highest vertical at the combine and preview the San Antonio Spurs vs OKC Thunder WCF matchup. Download the PrizePicks app today and use code SHANNON to get $50 in lineups after you play your first $5 lineup! https://prizepicks.onelink.me/LME0/NIGHTCAP   0:00 - Spurs eliminate Timberwolves to advance to WCF37:59 - NBA Combine46:08 - Unc was a top basketball player in Georgia HS History?! (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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The Spurs. So now we know who is going to be in the Western Conference Finals and take on the OKC Thunder. The Spurs, Molly Wobb, the Minnesota Timber Woods, by the score of 139 to 119 to 1.1. The wolves traded more picks for Rudy Gobert than he had total points in game five. Champany, those guys, they had six guys and double figures. Champany was five or ten, four and nine from the three.

He had 18. Victor Wimmyneuma, quiet knife by his standard. He was 19 points, but only shot the ball 11 times. Darren Fox had 21. He was eight of 10. Devin Vassell. He was 14. He had 11 points.

The knight belonged to Stephen Castle. Stephen, excuse me, Stephen Castle. He had 32 points on 11 of 16. He came out scorching hard from the three point line, and he didn't let up all night. So we had 32 points on 11 of 16 shooting, five or seven from the three. Dylan Harper came up to bitch.

He was 15 points on 6 of 8 shooting. But Minnesota, it was just not enough. You could see early on in this game. I thought it was about to get out of hand early. Give Minnesota credit. They made a great push right before the half, but then the Spurs came out of this third quarter and really put the game.

way, Jayden McDaniels had 13, DeSomo had 10, Ant Man had 24. Knopf Reed was scorching hot in the second quarter. He and Terrence Shannon tried to keep them in it as best they could, but it wasn't enough. Knows Reed had 18 points, and Shannon had 21 points, but it wasn't enough. The Spurs just had too much depth.

Out rebounded them plus 20, no, plus 31. The Spurs had 60 rebounds. The Timberwolves had 29 rebounds. That is crazy. Plus 31 on the glass. And that's why you have a lopsided game like what you had, 139 to 109. Joe, what did you,

you saw the Spurs. And we, I'm not surprised. I don't know if anybody should be surprised because we didn't think what got this far if they didn't throw Victor Wilma out of the game. What was that game three or game four? But it happened and it is what it is.

But now we know the Spurs and the Timble and the Spurs and the Thunder and the Enderner and the. Western Conference Finals, 139 to 101, 109, T. Woods. What did you like about the Spurs and how they approach this game tonight, Joe? Tonight, Anken Ocho, I thought the Spurs finally put together a collective team effort as far as winning. Yes, Castle went out for 32 and 11, 11 rebounds, but for the most part, their whole entire

squad played great, bro. I think if you Minnesota, you started the game with Rudy Garden, Castle. I didn't know what the hell that was about. You know, you give a guy like that dare shots because they ain't like he a non-shooter. He can shoot. You give him dare shots and he make a couple. You're in trouble.

And that's what happened tonight. Castle got off to a great start in that first quarter. And you could tell when he hit about 12 or 13 points, I said, oh, it's going to be a big night for him. You know, once you let a guy get rolling in this league, bro, it's hard to turn him off. And then those other guys just, I mean, they shot 55% from the field. What, they shot 47 from me? Yeah, they shot 56 from the floor, 47 from 3, and at 85.

It was 23 of 27 from the free throw line, 85%. Can't start? Hey, hey, you can't win no games like that, bro. I know when you y'am only had three blocks, but like we continue to say, like we continue to say, all playoffs, bro, he ought to so many shots. And then when you look at Minnesota, how to here you're going to win with Randall giving you three points?

Randall, let's be real, Joe. And Rudy, Randall was atrocious all series. He was bad all series. He may have had a solid game. I think the game that they won in San Antonio was a game one. I think he may have been solid their game, but for the most part, they pretty much kept him make bay. And you look at and see, this is the problem is that you have,

is that you got a guy like Rudy Gober making $50 million, and he becomes unplayable. If I got a receiver, Ocho, no matter, and I'm paying him $20, Let's just say for the sake of our, I'm paying him $25 million. But on third down, I bring him out the game. What value is that? That's the money down. I can't play Rudy up for the most part.

They couldn't play him. He had zero points. The man, hold on, your starting center, he was zero points with three rebounds. Look at how many guys. Hold on. Harrison Barnes played seven minutes. He had four rebounds. Kelly Olinney, he played eight minutes.

He had four rebounds. Carter Bryant. played 13 minutes. He has six rebounds. Luke Cornynett played 14 minutes. He has six rebounds. Dylan Harper had five rebounds. Every player on the starting Ross, started for the Spurs, had more rebounds than Rudy. Rudy is seven plus foot tall. Yeah. That's unacceptable. That's, you know what? If he's blocking shots, if he's doing it, but it's just hard.

When your guy is that your starting center and I got to take him out of the game, Because now if he can't guard Wimby, who can? Junior's Randall is giving up such a height disparity. Nobody. Who are you going to put on? Three, Nause can't play him. So now, now you can try to go forward and you try to double him. And the guys, you've already let guys get comfortable shooting down, shoot around threes.

Yep. Yep. Now they're going to split your head to the white meat. Because every time their shot go up, what they turn to do, Joe, don't Joe. Look at the bench like, hey, hey, Chris, Don't look at me. I ain't got nothing. I ain't got no answers for you.

But when you think about it, Rudy can't guard, he can't guard Wimbienama and Randall and Nas Reed. They have the foot speed to keep up with him. But hell, when he go up to shoot, they're too small.

It ain't nothing they can do, fellas. It's nothing they can do. They can be as physical as they want. He didn't kind of adjusted to that. And I think the spurs grew throughout this series. And hell, When Miyama just a cheat hole, bro.

He's just too much of a difference maker. I mean, you look at how he passed the ball, you know, how he gets the other guys involved. He's not a regular. Obviously, we know he's not a regular 7-5 guy. Like, he is a real center with guard skills. And that makes them super, super tough to be, bro. This is going to be a great series in the next round. But Minnesota, man, I thought they had a chance to push you to a game seven.

get off of such slow starts, man. You know, to where, to where the Spurs defense is so effective in their first cup, in their first quarter to, that it kind of throws them off rhythm and then Ant Man has to start forcing things, you know, just to kind of get going. And they're just too good, bro. They're too good. They got too many weapons. Julie's rounder gave me, gave me three points.

You know what? I obviously going to this game. Do you is round and gave me three points tonight? Huh? Yeah, that's it. Hell, not only that. I was hoping Rudy could have one of those games where he surprised as you and does something offensively that he doesn't do often. But I was hoping a game like tonight,

we understand the importance of having some type of production offensively. So you're not a liability. He didn't show up. Obviously, having no rebounds and them having 31 more rebounds than the goddamn wolves that you didn't have a chance. At no point, Joe, did they even have a chance to actually win this game? At one point, they were down by 20 points. I think they closed it down. They ended up losing by 30.

Yeah, it was bad. And the game of basketball is all about matchups, all about matchups. I think most of the people, when it came to this series, because you had Ant Man, you thought you thought Ant Man and some of the collective cast that he did have along with Julius Randall would find ways to get things done. The game where Wemby went out, that was one of the games where they took advantage and came through to win that game. I think game one, they were able to win because they were so aggressive and played Wemby

so well and when we were missing so many shots, Joe, you know, business on your shot so he wasn't efficient from the field. And then the game tonight, hell, they had them, they had the bulls of the job and the goddamn start. This game was supposed to be able to have, the spurs turned the ball over 15 times. Minnesota only had five and they lost by 30. Imagine if that flips like, if you flip that around,

how bad they get beat. That's now you're looking at a Knicks of Sixers or Knicks Atlanta score. Yeah, yeah. Because they were up, what, 29? They were up 29 in the second, and then the next thing you know, Minnesota cut it all the way down to 12. I'm like, oh, my.

Turnovers and turnovers and turnovers and turnovers. And the one thing they can't do moving forward is that you can't turn the ball over against that you're going to play next. They're going to punish. And, and, Ocho, to kind of piggyback what you're saying about Gobert. Yes, sir. I think Minnesota got to really take a hard look at this, fellas, because, I mean, San Antonio is going to be good for at least the next decade

if we just keeping it 100. And with Rudy, you can't even run a pick and roll to even try to get him alive. Not against Wimby. Hell, he going to get that. You know what I mean? So he's not effective offensively. And defensively, hell, he can't, I mean, what are he going to do? He can't guard nobody defensively.

And hold on, Joe, just to say, so put your GM cap on. right now, right? Put your head coaching cap on right now. So you say the wolves have to think about what to do with God damn Rudy, him being a liability to hell offensively and defensively when it comes to playing someone like Wemby. But hell, who's out there that can play Wemby, especially as good as he is, as tall as he is, as efficient as he is. And he's not selfish. Hell, he's a three level score. He can do everything. He can shoot from the three. He can shoot you know, for the midi, and he could take you off the goddamn jibble and drive. So there's really no answer for him in general.

So, I mean, questioning how Rudy looked against him, hell, anybody that's going to look the same exact way. You got to make him work. You got to put, be able to score on him. You see, the thing is you let, basically he relaxing, though. He's using all of his, his energy on offense because he already, oh, Rudy ain't going to give you nothing. Right.

So Rudy, Rudy, Rudy is the least of my concern. As a matter of fact, I wonder what time of this. in France right now. Right. My mom and dad watching this game. Damn. I wanted to have a tea and crumpets this time. I ain't thinking about him.

He doesn't. Yeah. In a situation like this, you're supposed to be under the rest because you need to be worried about the what the guy I'm going against what he's capable of doing. Don't nobody worry about that. And we've seen this far too many times that Rudy Gobert becomes unplayable. You cannot have a guy making 40, 50, 50, million dollars i don't care the position that becomes unplayable how is my point guard if i got a point

guard joe and i'm paying him 30 40 million dollars but i can't have him on the court in the fourth quarter because he can't shoot i can't have rudy on the court because not only is he a deep a liability defensively he's more he's a he's a more of a liability offensively he give me nothing hey and you got a point and when you think about it The job that Rudy done against Yokish was amazing. Yes. But these are two totally different bigs. You know, Wimby is a finesse big.

You know, he go off the bounce, shoot the three. You know, he's very elusive the way he dribbles the ball, all he needs a step on you here. He dunking the ball. You know what I mean? The thing for Rudy, Ojo, you know, when he's out there on the perimeter doing dribble handouts, Wimby just kind of sitting back, bro. He's like, okay, y'all do what y'all going to do.

I know Rudy ain't shooting nothing. out here. You know what I mean? So he just kind of sitting back in the paint and it may look like he's far away from you, but hell, once he extends, he's going to go get that. You know what I mean? So you got to have somebody who's a threat. So that's why Nasree plays so much. And you got to play guys like Nasree who can shoot because you got to make Wimby respect the guy who he's guarding. But yeah, you got to get him out there paint, bro, so you can get some driving lanes. Because if you, when you play in Rudy and he just sitting back, it's hard for Ant Man to get in that. the teeth of the defense, IEO, any of those guys.

So, yeah, Shannon, I think, I think they have to really take a look at, you know, how they can improve from a big man standpoint going further. I mean, because San Antonio and OKC, bro, they're here for the long haul. Yes. Hey, I got a question, though. Uncle Joe, think about this, right? What you're saying with Rudy being a liability, obviously when playing the spurs. But think about the wolves and all the others.

I mean, think about the wolves and all the other team that they played. No. He doesn't have this issue all the time. Well, he had not saying the game against Yon. Let's give him that. So Yokish normally punishes him. Yokic, the three ball wasn't, uh, wasn't falling. And see, Yokic is not as fleet of foot.

Yokish is not a quick off the dribble as Wemby. See, Wemby can get by him. Yokich couldn't get by him. Right. And because Rudy could bother him with his lint, he can't bother. First of all, he's guarding the guy that's calling to him. There are not very many guys that Rudy's going to guard that's going to be taller than Rudy. So now I've got a guy that's four inches taller than me and can jump.

So I can't bother him. I can't put it. He do this to, he do this to yoke and yoke and yon can't see. He'd do this. He's a man. Get your head on my damn mouth. So he sees all of that. We saw this in Utah.

Joe, you remember in Utah, they had the same issue. They couldn't play him against the Clippers late in the ball game. because he was a liability. We saw this a lot of times in Minnesota. He was a liability. It's just hard when one of your best players, who you play a premium salary to becomes unplayable and I got to take him out of the game.

It's unfathomable to me. My best pitcher, my best closer, just think Mariana Rivera, the best closer, but I can't bring him out tonight. my best hitter I'm a pitch hit for him because I don't trust him in the bottom of the 10th or the 11th inning that's what Rudy is

he's one of their best players and I got to take him off the court he gave me zero points and three rebounds at seven plus feet tall that's crazy and you put him on a guy who you thought was a non-shooter because I ain't no way why would you put Rudy

on Castle. I'm thinking that to start the game. I'm like, why in the hell would they do that? Yeah. And he just, he got it going, bro, that first quarter. And then it just unraveled for them. It just seemed like Minnesota, it's so hard for them to come by buckets, okay, Ocho, you know what I mean?

And for San Antonio, it was like, yeah, they score at wheel, bro. Just from ball movement alone, just move, that ball hopping, and everybody getting a great shot. You know, yeah, if it break down, Castle and Fox, who I love, I thought he played a huge part tonight, them getting their win. Because both of those guys are great in pick and roll, they're great off the dribble, the great facilitating,

and they got an in-between game that a lot of guys don't got. Yeah, they can shoot the three, but once they get inside that three-point line, even if they don't get all the way to the rim, they got the floters, the little middies, the little touch shots. They just got too much in their game. And Minnesota just couldn't,

they couldn't hang with them, bro. Now, and the funny thing about it to tonight, of all games. You know, maybe you have Wimmy efficient, maybe Castle, maybe Vassel, but Joe and Unk, everybody was goddamn efficient tonight. Everybody, got damn Fox had

21 points, but it was 8 for 10, need with 3 for 3. Cut your zoom off and cut back on. You're so lagged, you're like a 4-second delay. Yeah, so cut it off and come back in. I am? All that damn smoky at all that old. That's the, and look,

You can't fault his effort because he'd be trying. I'll never say Rudy wasn't trying because he does. But he's limited on what he can do, Joe. Yeah. And like I said, I think everybody, you know, you remember that, Joe, you weren't on here with us, but he had that one game where he had 27 points and 20 rebounds against the Lakers. And everybody says, see, I told you, Rudy.

Look, that's an anomaly. He was never going to happen. Ocho, you back? Can you hear me? Is it timing good? Hold on. Dun, dumb, doom-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-d-

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Yeah, go ahead, go ahead and finish your thought. But you were, you were talking about how efficient the Spurs were. When you look at Champagne, it was five or ten, and we'll be able to six of a level. Go ahead. No, I was saying, if there was a game where everybody need to be efficient, to close out this goddamn serious, it was a night. I was saying Fox had 21 points.

I think it was eight for 10, he was three for three from three. And hell, with everyone else playing well. And women didn't even have a crazy night to night, Joe. He didn't have to. Collectively, everybody. he plays so goddamn well, the goddamn wolves didn't even have a chance. Yeah. I mean, look, when you think about it, he didn't have to be heroic tonight.

When you got Champ Penny were 18, 5 for 10 from the field. Hey, look, I love Harper coming off the bench. He don't play like no rookie to me, fellas. He plays like a guy who's been in his lead three, four, five years. He understands the moment. He's one of those guys who great and poised and patience and precious situations. You know, they trust him with the rock as a rookie, bro. you don't really see that, man.

You know what I mean? And he's had big moments, you know, not just in this series, but throughout this whole playoffs. So I enjoy watching him play as well. I just think collectively San Antonio has the team to compete with OKC. I'm talking about from top to bottom. You name it from the guard standpoint, all way to the big. Boy, it's going to be, hey, it's going to be some fireworks in this next series.

Because both teams have about four or five guys that can defend at an elite level on the perimeter. Yeah. That is what separates OKC. That is what separate because of a sale, Champany. You look at Castle. You look at those guys they can defend.

Now, Keldon Johnson is, he's not the best defender, but he a tried defender. And that's all, sometimes that's what all I need. I just need some other teams that's not in the playoffs that got swept. I need those guys to be tried defenders because they just, they give up to it. Go ahead, Ocho, what you want? I'm glad you just,

said this, right? We talk about how well OKC defends. We talk about the depth that the bench has. And we talk about the depth that the, God damn, that the Spurs have. But the one difference maker is they still have Wemby. Now, as well, as well as the goddamn Thunder can defend, who's going to be the answer to be able to stop Wemby? What's going to be the difference now? Well, they're trying to throw, they're going to lose chat and they're going to switch it up to Hardinstein because they got two seven footers, six, eleven, seven foot. They got guys that can throw at them that a lot, that's a lot more athletic. And plus check and shoot the three.

Check and bring him out the deep waters. And get him in space. What you call him? He ain't worried about that. Not the same thing with Hardinstein. He's not worried about Hardinstein. He's not a lot, look is a lot quicker. And so he would sit and pick and roll.

He can dive to the basket. They do a great job. Yeah, he got. Put him in the pick. They throw him the ball. And then here come Chip from the dunker spot and boom. Hey, but then the thunder going to have the same issue. Shee loving to get to the mid.

Shea loving to come out the dribble and drive to the basket. Hell, Wimby's still going to do what he's done to everybody else and altering goddamn shots. Well, hey, hey, hey, hold on now. She is a mid-ranger. She's a mid-range assassin. You know, I agree with you. They both got guys who can defend,

but they also, both teams got guys who are great going off to dribble, great creating space, great scoring the basketball, great penetrating, getting into the teeth of your defense and making plays. I think it's going to be a pretty even game. Now, I know the Spurrier's going to come in with a lot of confidence because they beat them four times. They won four-one throughout the season.

So they're going to come in with a lot of confidence. And considering the fact that OKC is not going to have the other Jay-Len league. No, he said he's healthy. Yeah, he said he's healthy. It's going to be interesting. He's going to be very interesting to see what they do. Because, you know, Mitchell, AJ Mitchell is played so well.

Like, ooh, maybe, maybe, maybe take a game or two, take another game or two, we're going to make sure you fully healthy. I think, I think they're going to continue,

I think they're going to bring AJ Mitchell off the bench, and he's still going to be, he's still going to continue to get money. I think that's going to be the difference maker in this series, meaning O.K.C. And San Antonio, it's going to be the bench players.

It's going to be the bench player. The question is, and I think, I think they're going to probably start Lou Dort on Fox but he's going to have to, man, Fox is so quick, man. That joke, that hurky jerky.

Yeah. No, you think they're going to, I think they're going to start him. They can put him on Castle. So who go, so I want to know who, so you're going to put Shay on Fox? Yeah.

And he's going to go right around Fox, man. Hey, that joke is, Joe, that joke is so quick, man. I'll watch that joke at a night. Oh, no, no, no, no. He can't quick. Hey, hey, he gonna, I think they gonna give each other problems. I think Shay being a little bigger, you know, he made,

Stephon Castle is gonna be on, gonna be on Shay. Him or, I think him, Bacill, probably Champany. I think those guys, those, that triplets, those, that trio is gonna take, gonna rotate and try to show because all of them are different. But Castle is over, over physical. He's quick. And you saw, uh, tonight Fox was giving Jay, McDaniels all he can. handle everything that he wanted he nice he nice you're right he so listen so listen joe and unc out of the

four times they played during the regular season the spurs won what they was four and one against the spurs went for okay c one now that's right now that's regular season basketball now come play off basketball now who y'all got in the series based on you know it's it's all about matchups it's all about matchup now the one common denominator that separate both of these teams is goddamn wimby I know, man. OKC got home court advantage. I'm going to OKC. I picked them to win it.

I think San Antonio is there. Obviously, you know, they look in to win now. You know, even though they're a young team, they got what it takes. Obviously, they showed me a lot throughout this postseason. But hell, OKC has showed me just as much, man. You know, the fact that they're still hungry coming off a title, they ain't no in this postseason. I'm sure they want to continue that.

It's going to be hard for San Antonio to go on OKC. and get a game, fellas. I mean, I'm just, and they think, what you got, I mean, if you, if you,

the thing I can see is that I still think San Antonio might be a year away. The turnover. You cannot turn the ball over against the thunder. They punish you. They make you pay a premium. You pay double for turnovers in the postseason.

And, and I just think the thing is, is that Chet and Hartenstein, I can see Chet averaging somewhere. between 18 and 22, which they did not get from Rudy. Hardinstein,

you know Hartinstein, he's going to give you an efficient. He ain't going to miss more than two shots because everything is going to be a lob or a floater from about five, six feet of a week. His ass going to have double-figure rebound. Yes, yes.

He's a hustle guy who gets a lot of his points off of hustling, hustling, you know, putbacks, things that are getting you. you extra possessions. You create second chance points because Wimby's going to challenge it. And so guess what?

So when Wimby goes to challenge something, they're saying, okay, whoever Wemby's guard, when he goes to challenge, take your ass to the realm. Absolutely. Absolutely. You absolutely right.

I mean, you make me pick, if I had to pick some money, if I had to put some money down, that meant something to her to hell. If I'm putting money down, it's my money, so it means a lot to me. I would take the thunder. I think,

I think I can see the Thunder in seven. I can see it be a home and home series, Joe. I really could. I know Ocho or a rebel. He's going to go San Antonio. I already know. I mean, listen, listen. I like the thunder.

Obviously, what they've been able to do, even when she was injured. I mean, them young bulls kept the ship afloat. But that goddamn whim be so special. He's so special. I think he's going to be the common denominator. Being I don't think Shet would be able to do anything with him, even though Shet is.

seven feet tall, Wendy's so dominant regards of who you put out there on them. I'm just giving the edge to the Spurs slightly. Okay. All right. Joe, I'm just looking at these numbers.

My starting four and five gave me three points and ten effing rebounds. At home. At home. That's disgusting. In a close-out game.

A closer. A close, yeah. Everything. I'm batting down the hatches. I don't boarded up the house. I'm hunkering down. I ain't leaving. You know what a storm is coming and say,

you need to leave? I'm batting the hatches. I ain't going no damn where. Hey, you know what I think? I think Minnesota, I think coming in the next year, they're probably going to find a way to kind of give Nause Reed a starting job.

Okay, Ocho. I just think he plays well. You know, and I think he, I think he played well against Wimby, obviously being able to stretch the floor. And he ain't really looked like he was nervous and scared of the moment tonight.

You know what I mean? He just came out and who. But where I'm going to let the points from all the bench now, Joe? Well, you're going to have to change your roster up a little bit. You might have to make a couple trades. You know, I'm saying. With what? You know we still got to give him the picks that we gave for Wimby.

I mean, for Rudy. We gave up five first rounders, Joe. You don't think nobody won't Rudy? Look, if a fat Arab game, don't even want Rudy back. for Rudy within Fat Apple. Rudy kept a bulljib going, Fat Abergang don't even want Rudy Rudy back.

Just a bad matchup for Rudy, bro. It is. It is. It is. But that's the problem that he has. Any matchup that has a big that's athletic, it's going to be a problem for him. Yeah. They can space the floor and shoot.

Yeah, that's a problem. He would have a problem with him be because because Embeddy is so physical. And B is gonna put that big body on him. That's not what Yokic is. Yokich is a finesse player. Rudy is long enough to bother him, especially,

especially if he can't get him in file trouble early and he can't knock down threes to pull him away from the basket. Because you see, even when Rudy wasn't blocking the shot, he was making him shoot it short. Yeah. Because he was working, he's put so much arc on it that the ball was coming up, short. But at some point

time, Joe, you got to make a look I'm looking. I'm like, hold on. Randall gave me three. Randall Randall been coming up real small in big moments, Joe. He's been coming up real small. I know. And they needed them tonight. And the problem that you got,

Minnesota, y'all thought this was going to be a better answer than Kat. That's the problem that you're running into. And they see it what can doing over there. Caton had two postseason that triple doubles. I'm gonna keep my mouth. That ain't got none of my business.

I don't even know why I brought it up. Hey, hey, but Minnesota was hamper with injuries. So I'm gonna give him a little pass in this series. I thought Ant Man kind of got a little better. You know, the series went along. He didn't play great tonight. But hell, I thought at least his intensity was They're understanding the moment.

You know, he was aggressive. He was trying to get to the cup. But San Antonio too much, bro. They coming at you with too many waves, too many guys who can really shoot the basketball, defend at a high level. And once they bust that thing open, it was hard for Minnesota to keep coming back.

And being at home, I think that's the most impressive thing about San Antonio, bro, the way they played on the road, the way they came in and closed that thing out. You know, one of the most important thing, too, is having that advantage being able to play at home, helping allowing your crowd to get into it to make things easy for you, offensively and defensively.

The Spurs didn't allow the crowd to get into it at all. They didn't, bro. At no damn point, they really made it a home game, even though they were playing away. When you think about this trade, Joe, let me tell you about this trade doesn't make sense to me. Because you got a guy in Ant Man that wants to attack,

he can shoot, can get to the mid, he got a three-level score. But Julius Randall, Jewish Reynolds is not a better three-point shot a three-point guy. Cat can pull your big cook pool. Now see, cat can pull Wimby away from the basket. Yeah.

Now if you take Rudy out, you bring Cat in and Cass in. Now Rudy's got to go out there because cat can knock the three down. Yeah. Yeah. He'll turn his back on Rudy. Go ahead and shoot, I did you.

He has that boxed out and get the three-four line. Rudy at the three-port line. He ain't worried about Rudy. That damn shot. And he knows, how many times you see Rudy die out to the basket and dunk? Rudy going to get put back dunk,

he'll get a lob dunk. But I'm not throwing with them hands. He's tall, he's awkward. So I ain't worried about it bending down and getting the ball with Jo. And Joe and Joe. I ain't worried about that. He's going to kick it with them size 20,

kick that thing. They're in the front row, pop. So I'm not worried about that. They're going to have, because Ocho, you said, all he has to deal with is Wemby. The problem is that OKC and the Spurs, for the next three to five years,

they're going to run the West unless something unforeseen happen. So even he's having his way with Yolkich and some of these other bigs, he still got to go through them. Yeah. Yeah. Even if you're going through purgatory, in order to get to the championship,

you've got to go through hell, which is San Antonio and OKC. Mm-hmm. And this is the bad thing, though, huh? Because if you get rid of Rudy, who's the answer? There's still no answer that you can go and get that can make a difference against Wemby or the goddamn thunder. Well, I think the thing is that I got to get points from somewhere. I got nothing from, I got nothing from, I got nothing from Jew Randle and I got nothing for Rudy.

So that puts so much pressure on Ant that he feels, and had 24 points, but it took him 26 shots. I'll give him that all. day long. And think about this. If you do get a big, right, Uncle Joe? Yeah. Would you get a big, that's, you know, our offense are big. That can get your points.

Hell, that can shoot the three. Okay, trade it. Trade it for Joe. Hey, but then, you know, you know what the problem going to be? He's going to be a liability on defense. Trade it for him. Because you're not going to get a beat. Okay.

What, what, what, what, what, what, what a thing that I'm thinking is if, if I can keep Wimby honest, you know, versus him not even. even paying attention to Rudy. Right. Damn, I mean, I think that's a pretty good job. Meaning, if I can have a threat out there that he has to guard, Ocho, instead of just sitting, kind of just sitting close to the paint, not guarding this man who at the three,

man, you have a better chance versus going in there challenging him every time, bro. Like, it's just, he's just too much. It's too much, man. So I'm sure Minnesota will get to the drawing board this summer. They're going to have to come up with something. I know they got some mean, contracts over there, but boy, they got to figure it out. The world of the last five post seasons, lost in the first round,

lost in the first round, lost in the conference finals, lost in the conference finals, lost in the second round. And I think the thing is that with Wemby, you can't outskilling. You got to get somebody that's physical that's willing to bang with him. Because his skill level is, I mean, first of all, there's a whole lot of fives. I mean, you look at Yokic.

If you say, if you look at Hardinstein, you look at, you want to say cats of five, they're not a whole lot of them that has a scale like Wimby that can be able to score. The only big, the only five that really can score is Embed and Yoke it. Yeah. Those are the really only ones. That's why, that's why I said there is no answer. So in the West, Wembe's going to continue to dominate because there's really nobody you can go and get that can match them offensively at the five.

We know that, but we got to get some scoring. That's the thing. That's the thing. Ojo, he only gave us 19, but his counterpart gave us nothing. So he beat us 19 nothing. What if he gave us nine? Get off to a great start.

Jude didn't do any better. He gave us three. Remember the last game? Remember the last game? How many points did you have the last game? He didn't have that many last game. Hey. And when you think about it,

Wimby just got too many pretty good damn players next to him. Meaning guys who really know and understand, okay, boom, we're going to feed big fella, we're going to play through big fella, but boy, when they come out of it, I'm getting to it. You know, they got guys who really understand their role in Fox Castle, Vaseel, Harper,

Dave Champany, like, I'm talking about guys who play key. Like, look, they'll have games to where some of these guys won't be as productive offensively, but then they'll have games like tonight to where collectively as a team, everybody them beat you. You know what I mean? It ain't really, yeah, Castle was, you know, he was terrific tonight, but everybody was super solid around the board. And I just think it's hard to be the team, bro, who has guys like this.

And the only team I can think who is OKC. But, Joe, think about this. You know the last game, last game five? Guess how many points Rudy had? Four. What he had? So in two games, he's averaging two points a game. Game five, Drew Randall has 17.

So in two games, he's averaging 10 points a game. How many points did he take? Because it took him like 14 shots to get those 17 points, if I'm not mistaken. I think he was 5 or 14 from the floor. Six or 17, my bad. I was off a couple. Oh, or 4 from 3. What was he from 9 from 3?

0 of 2. 1 of 8 from the floor. Oh, 2 from 3. And see, and Ant Man's like, hell, I can get funky like that. Yeah. If I know my guys, I can count on all Rudy, if Rudy could give me a consistent, Joe. If he can give me a consistent 10 to 12,

he ain't gonna be to do that on. That's assing a lot. That's assing a lot. That's not what he is, Joe. That's what y'all told me. When I said, maybe he could have one of those games. No, you, you know, but Rudy, you love it. when Rudy was giving it to the Lakers, man, Rudy had a 2020 game.

I said, you'll never have another one of those in his life. Hey, you was right. He's the defensive player. How many times he won that defense award on? Four times. Well, look, the Lakers couldn't match up with him. He was just two damn big. The Lakers ain't had no answer for him.

You got to get the ball and Rudy trying to guard the man. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. This here is different, bro. This one, the Spurs are a little different. Hey, boy, look, y'all better get your popcorn ready. This is going to be a great series. Man. Have they decided when it starts?

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A six foot seven wingspan. Unofficial Max Burke for AJ DeBanza, 42 inches. The highs mark recorded so far this week. Let's take a look at some of the video. What about Wilson? Oh, he did good. I watched it. I wish they let NFL players run and jump like that.

Take a step. I guarantee you see some 50s. Take a step. Yeah. Yeah, you can take a step. Joe, with them guys doing, they're doing 45 and 46, they're just standing, just standing and going up. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

No, no, no, no. Hey, look, I get y'all football catch credit, bro. I'm talking about that's a gladiator sport. And them dudes train, you do train like gladiator. Listen, man, I'm telling y'all. When I was in college, bro, I used to hang out with a lot of football guys because I was Prop 48. I wasn't eligible.

So I hooped in the hype. I hooped in the hypercenter with a bunch of football and track guys. Yeah. I'm talking about all over the rim. All over the rim. hit me all over the rim, bro. So, I know. Hey, Joe, the fact that you got

experience, you know, playing playing dudes, you know, when you was Prop 48 and still want to play me, it's beyond me. I don't understand. I'm just saying it's beyond me. You understand what's going on in thinking, Ocho? I don't know. I don't know. I don't think he understands.

Ocho, I'd enslave many many dragons, home, boy. Hey, one thing about it, boy, I ain't a dragon. I'd enslave many dragons home. I ain't no dragon, boy. Hey, you're talking all that. You're spitting fire out of the slave many dragons, partner. All right.

Hey, hey, don't worry. I got something for you. I got some for you. You see how they put their elbow and wind up forehead and his back and all that? Yeah. Hey. Oh, you're going to elbow me? All that.

Oh, it's going to be physical, oh, Joe. It's going to be me and you, partner. It's going to be real physical. Yeah. Joe, I play physical. I'm on that. I'm on that type of time. All right.

I'm glad you're on that type of time. So please hit my line, partner, because I'm ready. Yeah. Oh, so you healthy? Yeah. You show? Yeah. Hey, I know you got your wire receiver camp going out.

Keep doing your thing, man. I'm going to catch you. I'm going to catch you. I'm going to catch you. Hey, I might sleep out there this weekend, then. Yeah. Yeah. You think shit's sweet, boy.

It's cotton candy. It's great. So the bonds is six, eight and a half. Darren Peterson is six. and a half, Darius A-cuff is six-two. Oh, man, listen. Them boy were getting to it. They were showing the dudes doing a shooting drill.

Like, you know, they may shoot 25-3s. I watched A-Cuff shoot the blood out of that. I think he won, like, 18 for, like, 24, something like that, 25. I watched Peterson shoot the blood out of it. You know, obviously, you ain't got no defense, but it's standing there catching shoot, and then you pull to another spot. Yeah, so, you know, you can kind of see what you're working with. man I think

the NBA going to be in great hands I mean it's going to be a nice cropper young dudes coming in this shit fellow you got to why I mean chat I just wish you guys could go to an NBA game and watch these guys warm up because in the second

because the first half the Lakers were in front of us shooting at that they go and so the second half obviously they switched Lakers go down to the far end the thunder down here yeah I watched chat make 17 straight threes.

Yeah. The one that he missed, somebody, he shot the ball and somebody knocked it out. Yeah. And then he hit another five straight. Yeah, that boy shooting like me. If you just watch these guys

and I'm like, you got to be kidding me. Crazy. A, but listen. I mean, in the motion is the same. Yeah. Woo. Woo.

I mean, nothing, nothing changes. The motion is identical. It's almost like you replaying it. You hit replaying like, damn, he did that again. Damn, he did that again. But it's not replayed. It's the same shooting motion. Hey.

I was like, hey. What we talk about, muscle memory, bro. Hey, if that's your job, all you do, every day you wake your ass up, you come in here, you get these jump shots up. You know, until you can, burn that shoulder up. I'm talking about until you really feel it

until it's just second nature. You know what I mean? So now, you know, he's been doing it for so long as a professional. That's his only job. So, yeah, you think, damn, how he'd make all these shots and roll? Man, man, practice his ass off every day to do this, bro.

So when I do hit the big stage and the lights come on and you smell that popcorn popping when you walk in the arena, you know, I'm talking about Ocho, and you know what time? I know. Let me lock in real quick. Muscle memory. This left hand, just a guy hand on Joe, it just barely touching the ball.

That's it, huh? That's it. Hey, hey, Joe, that left hand, boy, see, when I was shooting that thing in high school, I ain't even need that left. I was flipping the ball with the left. Ah. That what I was doing with the left, Joe, I don't need the left to touch it. I just flip with the ball.

What's wrong with you, man? You know what I dropped that 52 on the Joe? I dropped 52 and three quarters. Damn, you, well, from all levels, threes, twos. Hey, Joe, no, Joe, you gotta realize I came out before the three-point, the three-point came in after I left graduated. Hold on, you ain't had a three-point in high school.

Hey, I had no three, that's all twos. Hey, hey, Joe, now that gave you a better understanding on how sorry the people was he were playing. That ain't they saw. Now, I didn't say, you see, I do it on, Joe. Hey, Joe, 52 points in three quarters. Come on, Joe. What you trying to say it?

Who he was playing again, Ocho? Shoot, some kids. Hey, Derek Miller went to Kentucky. I draw 25 on him. Mm. Mm. Hmm. Give me that.

Hey, let me see your shot again. Yeah. They look there like that, that. Because I used to jump. See, it wasn't no set shot, Joe, Ocho. I used to jump. I used to be like two, three feet out the ground without shooting that thing.

Ain't no blocking my jumper. You used to be eating that glass, too, rebound. What? Oh, you know, sometimes, Joe, I put a cool 31119, something like that. Oh, man. 3119? Oh, yeah, you're eating glass, boy. Yeah, yeah, Joe.

You was a little young horse back then when you were. Hey, Joe, you buying that? The all area team, go look it up. Guess who on there? Me and old old purpose, Ellis. Y'all ever heard of him? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yo, y'all, Joe. Oh, Joe, I don't look, I haven't got all big and muscular and top-heavy now. Yeah. But then your boy used to be silky with that thing now. I ain't buying it.

I ain't buying it. Hey, I need to see. I need to see footage. I can kind of believe. You didn't believe I scored 52, but it's in the Georgia athletics. They said it, 52 points. I mean, y'all ain't playing nobody. He ain't got no competition over there.

What's your plan? What's that two-way? I was a single-A. Oh, yeah. Singly, yeah. Sing-ly. But if you go back and look, go back and look at the top players. Yeah.

Hershey Walker, Singly. Garrison Hurst, Singly. George Rogers, singly. Shetton and Sterling Sharp, Singly. Singly. All those guys, top 10 players in Georgia high school football history. We talk about basketball. Y'all just said that.

Oh, y'all was like that. Three times state champ. Damn. In the triple jump. The best performance. The best triple jump in the state of Georgia from Class A. We have 53 students graduate. 350 students in our whole high school.

The best triple jump in the state of Georgia came from a Class A high school. That was you? Best performance trophy. High point winner. Most points accumulated at the state track. meeting class, say, I got that trophy on my grandma, mantle. Best performance trophy, my senior

year, I got that trophy on my grandma mantle. Show me how you're gonna jump real quick. Let me see. That's what got my knees messed up. Hey, you ain't passing them genetics down to your kids. None of your kids play sports. My kids, they don't play no sport. Joe, you got to

realize my kids, when I was playing, my kids knew what their daddy did. They knew that day. But your daddy would have caught that passed. My son said, Daddy later for that. But there's a better ad right to hear all that. Hey, look,

everybody in wild like people always compare me to my brother because I'm three years younger. Yeah. So he's a senior. I'm a freshman. I'm my brother's backup. Man, I get in the game.

Oh, Joe, Joe. Those joker will block her down for me. Hey, that joke, he doesn't came out of the game. He got a buck 50 on like 50 carries. stopping me in the back field. What the hell?

I said, man, later for y'all. Later for y'all. School y'all. Nah, but me, boy, my sister used to get so mad. My sister said, Sheldon, you need to stop this. I said, stop what? Why you want to be like Spanky so much? You know, we call my brother

Spanky. Yeah. Nobody called him his real name. I don't know. I don't think anybody's ever. I've never heard somebody in my family call him his real name. everybody called him Spanky. He's been spanking since he was a little boy. And he was like, my brother, whatever my brother got, I got it. My brother, I don't know if y'all got, y'all don't remember Bobby Danridge. Bobby Danridge, he won a championship in Milwaukee, but he also won a championship with the bullets. Yeah.

And his nickname was Mr. Clutch. My brother got a shirt with Mr. Clutch. I went got me one with Mr. Clutch on it. Yeah. Everything, everything my brother did, I did. Yeah. My son says, Shanna, you need to be your own, man. It's ridiculous.

But what she didn't realize, and she says, I used to get so upset, that's who I wanted to be. I ain't out of the lives. Nobody else. The person that I want to be, I saw him every single day. That was it. That's what I wanted to be. So when people compare me, like some people shrink, I embraced it.

Oh, y'all don't think I'm going to be good. Oh, y'all don't think I'll be good. Boy, you ain't going to be like your brother. Oh, boy, you ain't going to be like your brother. I'm telling you, boy, your brother, cold. Yeah, hey, hey, hey, hey, because they're all his friends call him Sterley. Only people in the family call him Smakey. Sterly, your little brother, man, I'm telling you.

I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, I don't know, your brother, your brother. Now, I couldn't run fast like he could, because my brother ran like 10, 48, 100 meters. Oh, that's moving, boy. The boy kicking does, right? He run like 21, 21, 2, 213, 200. You know, he could run now. I couldn't run like that. Couldn't run like that.

But I could, I hate that. Ah, ha. Come in, Ocho. Take that with you. Hey, Joe, he ain't got no support on the ball. He got his hand. He's shooting like this. Didn't I just tell you, Joe, what I tell him I do.

That's the flip people off. Take that. And that's what I'm doing. Ocho, the jokes at Savannah State. They wanted me to play on the basketball team. They didn't have nobody on the basketball team that could I jump me. They have no about a basketball team because guess what?

When them guys graduated and they came played in the mural, I cooked them all. Oh yeah, in the mural, that's the best part when you're in college, boy. Cook them all. In the mural? Go to Savannah State to ask who got the most points in the inner mural game, Joe. Drop 48. In the inner mural game, 48.

Oh, my goodness. Come on. Ask them who got the championship game record in inner mules. the shot. The dude before me, they team lost. He dropped 40. I come back behind him. I dropped 41 with six minutes and left and sat down because he's up, 28.

I don't want to score no more. I could have got 50, but I thought that would have been unbecoming of me. I'm just rubbing it in. I ain't that type I got. Yeah, they deaf age, Joe. Hey, Ocho. You can tell that. You ain't had intermules. We used that, Ojo?

Ojo can't play those damn basketball. Okay. Hey, Joe, I do everything, Joe. I do everything. I ain't really, I play, I ain't really play no basketball, though. I go, though, I'm a whoop your ass. Anybody that went to Savannah State from 1986 to 1990 ask them with the team to beat.

The Juice Crew All Stars featuring, oh, my goodness. Who's on my goodness? Who's on my goodness? Who was all my goodness? I play on Joe. I'm too big of a lot. a game to be played with like a kid. Hold on.

Time out. Who is, oh, my goodness. Ah, you wouldn't. You're talking to it. Because every time, every time I did something, they're talking about, oh, my goodness. I'm playing. The Juice Crew All-Stars featuring, oh, my goodness.

Oh, my goodness, okay. I'm going to steal that. You know? He's going to steal that. I like that. I'm going to see if I got to, I'll see if I can find that. I got a trophy.

I got robbed an MVP several years. I should have won the MVP by like three years. Hey. What's been amusing. I was like that, Ocho. For real, though. For real, though. I keep telling you, Ocho,

I was a better basketball player in high school than I was football. The only reason I played football because my brother played. That's the only reason. That basketball, I was like that. Listen, I'm going to need visual reference of all these.

Wild accusations that you said you've done. Now, I don't know. I got a VCR. If you got some VHS tape, I need something. Yo, I don't like that, Joe. I would like that, Joe. I would like that, Joe. Hey, hey, hey, what my Louis Vuitton ball at, man?

Uh-oh. You ain't get this, Joe. You're not going to beat me. I see. I know you're talking about a shoot. Oh, yeah, yeah. Hey, hey, hey. Hey, hey.

You look like that. Hey, you look at the rotation, Joe. Look at the rotation, Joe. Look at the rotation. Man, that man can't hoop, man. Hey, Joe, you ain't their felt. That's got a pile. This is 255 solid.

Hey, I'm just making sure you keeping it clean for me. You taking care of me over there. Oh, yeah, Joe. Yeah. Yeah, I'm going to shoot your eyes out for that. Don't worry about that. Who saying that? Never going to get it.

Never going to get it. Never going to get it. Woo, woo, woo, woo. Yeah Yeah Put down a mean demonstration on you at Ocho and Ocho and Yeah

Oh my I can't let you get to Louis Vuittan ball Damn man Like 200 of these I'm gonna still have it on Nightcap when we own Don't worry about it You're still gonna be in the picture

Yeah Oh it's just gonna be at your location Yeah I'm gonna put a little hook up there So it can sit right up in the I got some stuff I'm doing man Yeah Look and I got the what you call

And they got the little case that came on. Oh, yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Joe, you're in trouble, boy. You're in trouble. Mean demonstration on you, boy.

Hey, boy, you don't bid off more than you could chew over here, boy. Oh, please. I'm telling you now. I already know what going on, man. I'm telling you what's going to happen is when I'm in front of you, whether it's an awful of the defense,

and you'd be like, God damn, this old motherfucker quick as hell. You're going to be like, what the hell I didn't got myself into? I'm telling you now, you'll see. But I'm telling Joe, Joe, in the mural, they tell you. I shot the, hey, I dropped 48. Yeah.

48 record. Had a bunch, I mean, 30 wasn't nothing. But that championship game, I was like, ain't no way I'm going to let no comments to have a record. Yeah. An athlete's supposed to have that record in the interim year. Yeah. If a basketball player would have got it or another basketball, a baseball or a track athlete,

okay, I'm cool with that. Ain't no common student fitting to get to have no intermule. And all the athletes, baseball, a basketball player that don't play no more. Rob, please. I've been here. I told him, man, you can't play no basketball. I'm telling you. Man, you can't play no basketball.

Hey, I'll still be giving these boys hell around here. You go to the lifetime over there in Sandy Springs. You're going to see ice. Oh, you got that one up there by the perimeter right outside the perimeter? We got, we got balancing everything up there. I'm winning championships. And now, man, I'm housing cats around here. You hear me?

I used to see the guy I definitely That's why you go through it off It's some cats who can play too I'm talking about somebody These cats straight out of college And there four years They got nice teams

Okay Okay It'd be some good runs up there It'd be some good runs Hey Ocho I've seen you I've seen you with your ride Receiver crew

I'll route your ass up Damn Rout your ass up I see how you are at the I said oh yeah That boy ain't no way in there He can guard me Joe

Joe don't do that Boy, I run that tree, boy, I, first of all you got, I'll am, I ama, I'll ama, that's, that's nothing. Damn, damn, don't you? Hey, Joe. Yeah, look, look, look, check him out. Oh, no, you think he's gonna, oh, what? Hey, play over, boy. Hey, strap, watch this.

Hey, um, I'm too quick. What, I don't know? Where you going? Where you going? Oh. Give me that. You pigeon, don't you? Hey, Joe, this is what I, hey, I see you.

I'm strapping. Hey, um, uh, you know, see, them boys still wet behind the ears. They, you know, he, he knows too much. You left too much room and your Ocho just faded with him. He got to put it in a bit, you got to stack Ocho. Yeah, look, look, look, look, check him out. Check him out. Nothing.

Nothing. Um, I'm strapping them boys. And we ain't talk about anybody. Georgia, LSU, Texas, Florida, Ohio State. We got some of the best receivers out there, out there. Man, the boys came to get some work. Hey, you put the lock on them. Hey, that's all I, Ocho.

Hey, all jokes inside that we got some good work today. We got some really, really good work today. It looks like y'all got some good work out there. Yeah, some good work. So we back at it again at 10 in the morning. You know, we'd be doing two days. and we had to do the wide receiver workshop a little earlier this year

because June and July obviously we got the World Cup. So last year I did the wide receiver workshop in June right before it's time for the players to go to camp. But I got to move it up this year and that most of the receivers, they had OTAs. You know, they got them incentives and they got to find that sweet spot.

Yeah. So next year we'll be back. I had Deonti Johnson was there. You just got to find that sweet spot. This is an anomaly year, Ocho, because of the World Cup. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. So you got an anomaly year. But I still think June is the best time for you to have it. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

Once they get done with their mini camp, because their last training mini camp, before they get their six-week break, before they come back for training camp, I still believe the best time for you to have it is in June. Yeah. So I had about four, five Interprey receivers, and they had about maybe 11 college college kids.

I was talking about Fennon to be first rounders. That's what's up, bro. We got young board from Ohio. State last name. Jeremiah? No, not Jeremiah. Jeremiah, he got a little injury right now. Ennis. Oh, okay, okay.

Hey, he's nice. Okay. He's nice. He nice. All them boys nice, man. So I'm excited. I can't wait. I can't wait tomorrow. Another podcast from some SNL late night comedy guy, not quite.

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