Nightcap - Best of NBA News Part 2: Rich Paul JOINS to talk all things Bron + Jaylen Brown & Joel Embiid STILL haven’t spoken?!

Episode Date: July 15, 2026

Shannon Sharpe, Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson, and Joe "King Iso" Johnson bring you the Best of NBA on Nightcap! The crew reacts to Rich Paul making a surprise appearance on the show. Plus, they discuss Anthony Edwards continuing his rise toward superstardom, and why Jaylen Brown and Joel Embiid still haven't spoken after their headline-making trade. Subscribe to Nightcap presented by PrizePicks so you don’t miss out on any new drops! Download the PrizePicks app today and use code SHANNON to get $50 in lineups after you play your first $5 lineup! Visit https://prizepicks.onelink.me/LME0/NI... 0:00 - Rich Paul shock drops and joins the show!33:00 - Anthony Edwards taking next steps56:00 - Jaylen Brown and Joel Embiid still haven't spoke? (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Hey. Who? He muted. Hey, Rich, you muted? I'm unmuted. Hey, what's our, what's our twin? What's good? Hey, now, I'm sitting here trying to educate.

I'm trying to educate these two on my, on my, um, excellency when it comes to talking basketball and where I brought the Bron going. Like, I, I don't know you can. he said, but I know where you're going. I'm trying to explain to them why he's going and why it makes the most sense. You know better than me.

Yeah, I, see, what I told y'all. I told you. Rich, obviously, obviously, this has been something going on. When LeBron didn't have, LeBron was on the expiring contract, and you know there was going to be some decisions that had to be made. Is he going back? Is he

going to retire? If he leaves, if and when he leaves and goes somewhere else, what's he looking for, either the championship, either the is, you know, I got Savannah and Zuri's enrolled and she got her volleyball going on. Savannah has her stuff. Bronte is doing his thing. We got Bryce in Arizona.

So as you sat down and talked to LeBron, what became abundantly and crystal clear to you what LeBron was looking for? Oh, man, that's a good question. I mean, you know, I think all of our former athletes, it's just uncharted waters, you know, there's very seldom you get to year 24. And number one, you're still playing at such a high level. And then number two, you're still able to contribute and unlock things wherever you may end up. I think the clearest thing was that he wasn't staying in L.A.

That was probably the most clear thing. When did you know, when did you realize that? When did you realize LeBron is not going back to the Lakers? When he finally told you like, okay, you can start shopping me elsewhere? Yeah, you know, I think, you know, look, you guys know me for, the craziest thing is, all of y'all know me for a long time. So I don't fake, but there's nothing to fake here. It was, yeah, just as simple as that, you know.

And all those decisions are tough. Obviously, you play somewhere for a long time. You know, you still want to play the game, but you understand your positioning and how you want to go about things. And so when he made that clear, that was the only clear thing that that that I had possession of. Everything else, you know, you just have to go to work and try to set the table as best as possible to allow him to understand what's in front of him. And he's obviously, you guys know Braun is extremely smart with all this stuff. So he has a, he has an understanding of what's there. But there are some things that you have to think about that we go through.

And believe it or not, you know, I know just as much as you guys know. Hey, hey, hey, Rich. Hey, hey, hey, hey, what's up, you guys? You know what, Joe? Me and you got an issue, man. What are we got to issue about? I ain't seen you. I ain't heard from you.

I used to hear from you all the time. What's going on, Joe? You know you, my guy? I come to Little Rock. Don't hear nothing to listen. Where is Joe? Hey. What's going on?

Hey, hey, is. I keep up with you, man. I see you moving around doing your thing. I'm proud of it. You know, you had several conversations. And, you know, you know the uphill battle what it is and what you got to deal with someone in my position and now being an executive role

and what I've been able to build along with my colleagues and things like that. You know, we're here, man. Here to stay. Hey, hey, hey, I've seen you whiteboard. Yes, sir. I've seen your white boy. I've seen it.

I want to know. You saw one of my white boards. I saw one of you, okay, one of your white boys. Do y'all got to narrow down to about four or five teams or everybody kind of still wide over? I don't know nothing about no narrowing down, Joe. Well, they're saying he's about to make a decision. We just talked about this since, uh, hold on.

You know this. Sean Devaney. A pair of lips or say anything, man. See, I like coming nightcap, but I can have a little fun. I want to come on here. I've been trying to come on here. You're coming on. But, yeah.

Don't listen. Don't listen to that stuff. Don't nobody know. If I don't know, who know? See? And I'm the only way. Ojo and R.J. No.

Ocho and R.J. No. Hey. I'm telling you I know. Listen, let me say. I'm going to say what Rich King say. Obviously, Rich is in a position. He's in a great position.

But he is a gift and a curse to be in a position that he's in, being the executive that he is. So he has to keep it hush. You have to stay in LeBron and Rich. and their team in general, how they always been. They've always been two or three steps ahead of everybody else. What I like to call it, I like to call it playing the waiting game. LeBron is methodical. They're very strategic, and they're always ahead of the game.

They're always ahead of the curve in everything that they do. His next move has to be his best move. That's what they're thinking. Stay with me. Stay with me. Look at the landscape of the NBA right now. What is the best thing for LeBron to do? Okay.

Do I want to go play? in the West? Absolutely not. Listen, go to the state and look good on paper. Does he want to play with Steph? Yes. He's always loved to play with Steph. But at this point in his career, do you want to go to the West and deal with them with them juggernauts? No, you don't want to deal with Demble.

You don't want to deal with Demble. You don't want to deal with the Spurs and Wimby. You don't want to deal with them. So what's the best fit for him? The East? Over there in Philly. Why? You got Maxie need the ball. You got Jalen Brunson. Again, I said earlier. I mean, excuse me, Jalen Brown.

and B, sort of clogging up the hole a little bit. He and the way. That don't make no sense. Down here, the 305 in the county, we already been. Why not bring another trip down here? You can facilitate. You can dictate. Well.

You told the place of the games. Well, hey, do I got to worry about my cookies getting taken again? Now, we're good. We're good. I mean, you're telling me that now, but when I get there, what it's going to be like? It's like a recruiter trip, Joe. They tell you all the good stuff until they get you the side. And all of a sudden, oh, no, it ain't nothing like that.

We're going to be good. We're going to be good. Man, y'all funny, man. But let me ask you this. Okay, hey, listen. Go ahead, Joe. Rich, damn, can we, I mean, what coast will be on? Dollar Bill can't give you nothing, Joe.

Hey, Joe, I just, Joe, I just explained everything to you. He's in a tough spot. Yeah. I'm rich representation right now. I'm his voice. I'm this platform. I'm telling you all what's going to happen. AJ County.

You have another client. And he got traded from the Lakers, went to Dallas. He got injured right there, and he really didn't get an opportunity to fulfill. Because the way they looked at it, they thought if we got Kyrie, we got AD, and they ended up getting Cooper flag. I would have loved to have seen how that would have panned out. It didn't happen. But if AD can give them somewhere between 60 and 65 games with trade,

with something to prove after being traded from Atlanta, and AJ DeBomza, can the Wither's I think the Wizards are the top 16 in the East. I think I think the Wizards are the top 16 in the East, man. I really believe that because

you know, say what you want about Trey. Look, it's very difficult to play one-on-one basketball defensively in the NBA. I don't care who you. Nobody is a guard Joe Johnson. Nobody. The best of them. And we had some great defenders. Tony Allen

was the was numerous Uno off night. He was the original off night. You had you had a lot of great defenders back then. It's just hard to defend a guy one-on-one. So now you've got to have great team defensive guys

guys that help side defense. Your rotations have to be right. When it comes to being a great team, I think understanding and getting guys to buy in and play a role has a major factor. The younger the team, you got to think all

these guys are coming from, it was my situation. They picked the school they wanted to go to. They picked the AAU team they wanted to play on. They picked the high school team they wanted to play on. So now I get to the league, I don't have that. So now who's willing to actually buy in? Who's willing to play a role, right? Because you're not getting 25 shot attempts every night. Not when you got all stars and all NBA type guys on the team, right? And then someone has to sacrifice. So I think if the Wizards, the organization is not of what people would think perceived just because they had a losing record. They're actually doing some really great things there in Washington.

They went out and got Will Dawkins and Michael Winger. The leadership group had already been great. So that's never been an issue. You know, Ted and son, Zach are tremendous people. I just believe that they're going to be a real. strong team and a shop to the east this year, given that all cylinders of clicking. I know AJ's coming in as the number one pick,

but he's going to have to fit in and play a role. Now, there'll be something nice where he get off and do his thing, no question about it. And he's talented enough to do so. But it's just all about the buying. And that happens in training camp. That happens in the film room. That happens on a Tuesday night against Sacramento

or against Milwaukee or the young teams that you may see look and see on paper and say, oh, we should beat them, but then you have to actually beat them because this is the NBA. So you go in there and you're playing me basketball, you won't win. The one thing AD brings to the table is he's a champion, right? He's been to the finals and won. He's been to the Western Conference finals. When he came to L.A., I think six out of the seven years or whatever he was there,

they made the playoffs and maybe five out of the seven, but they play high-level basketball the entire time. So he brings that into the lot. soccer rule. And in addition to they got those wings, they got great, they got really young guards. And I think, I think they're going to do things the right way. So

if there was a sleeper in the east, it's Washington for me. Now, could they be six, could they be eight, whatever, you know, a couple games off would dictate that. But, you know, staying healthy, I think there'll be the surprise league this year. Absolutely.

Do you look at Wembe? Wimby has an opportunity to sign a super macro contract. 303 million. He takes $250 million. Don't do this to me. And you hear a lot of agents. Don't do this to me, man. I know, but see, I know how you feeling,

but the thing is that second apron. And we hear Brad Stevenson saying, that's why we, you know, we had to move on from Jalen Brown. I don't, whatever the case may be. But I thought winning was the most important. And if we're going to win, okay, if we have to go to the first apron,

the second apron, hell, if we got to get an apron, apron. You got to get it. And your mama's apron, man, for all that money. Listen, here's the thing. I think, I think, I think there's certain decisions that can be made by certain people.

And, you know, if you know Wembe, if you know his representation, both Jeremy and Boone are really great guys. I think he's one of those guys that can actually do it and justify it down there in San Antonio for, for different reasons. But I do think that may, I don't know if it sets a trend, but, you know, it depends. depends on your situation and it depends on what's important to you. The way I look at things has always been, you guys aren't going to play forever. I don't know if you're going to play five years, seven years, 10 years, 14.

And at some point, you know, your value doesn't stay consistent or doesn't increase. Most people's value decreased, especially after the year five or six, sometimes seven. And I think that's one of those things that is very It's misleading for the fans and for people that watch our sport and watch athletes They think, oh, they make money and they make that level of money all the time. No. Right. The other thing, too, is athletes have to make their most important decisions at their youngest age.

See, you guys just like, unlike executives, we keep getting bites at the apple. You know, you can go and do something else. You know, you can reposition yourself. I work over here for this corporate company. Now I go over here and, you know, the mistakes I made at 35, now I'm making my money at 45 and then I really hit at 55. You guys don't get that. That hardwood don't give.

That grid iron don't give. That ice rink don't give. That baseball diamond don't get. You can't play forever. And so you say, well, you can make it up. Not really. And the other thing is, well, most people can't. And the other thing is, you know, when you, I always say the more years you play in college,

just take those years at your highest earning potential and knock it off your career earnings. And so it's tough, right? And so I don't necessarily recommend things, but also I don't represent everybody. but if my client was in a position to where he can do that, like right now, LJ's not making it about the money. He's not making about the money. We didn't, we didn't sit back and tell nobody to hold nothing to do, you know, there was conversations, but at the end of the day,

you know people got to do what they need to do, but it's not about that. And so that actually makes a decision harder because as you guys as former athletes, when have you ever made a decision that wasn't about the money as an athlete? That always trumps your decision because you can say, man, you know what? I really like that team over there, but they got a dollar.

This team over here offering 10. Hey, I got to go get this $10. Just because of the position, I don't know how long I'm going to be able to get that team. Is that what makes it so difficult? It's because everybody seems to have the damn same amount of money. Well, here's the thing. When you remove the money, now you actually have clarity.

You've never seen an athlete be in this position, huh? Where have you ever seen an athlete be in this position? Where he can sit there and say, oh, don't worry about the money. How? I've never seen it. I don't know. I've been around a long time. It's my 25th season.

It's his 24. I count 25. I don't know. I've never seen that before. And so that's not the only thing that makes it difficult. There's a number of things that makes it difficult. And obviously, being in year 24, you're not in 12 or 14. And so you really have to evaluate things a lot differently.

and, you know, look, we've never going to be rushed to do anything and we damn sure don't care about what nobody has to say or think. Not at this point. We don't work too hard to get here now. We can't be worried about that. I think it's more so just, you know,

when the man's ready to make his decision, he makes a decision. But I say all that to say, when you're talking about from Wemby's situation, I tip my hat. You know, he's showing leadership with his group of people. And you know that Spurs organization, man.

they, you know, they are first class. And, you know, I think, I don't know how much, I don't see, how much was it like a $30 million difference or whatever the case may be? $50 million difference over five. So that's 10. Texas. Eight. Yeah, you know, it's real money.

But heck, everybody's situation is different. My situation is different. What about the criticism, Rich? They say you're an active agent. and you have a pod and you're speaking on, you don't only just speak on things that might impact you and your clients,

but potentially speaking on things that impact other clients and other agents and other teams. What do you say to that? Everybody's speaking on everything, huh? I'm saying? Everybody's speaking on everything. What I say is, you know,

I'm not turning down an opportunity to influence the youth, to give the youth confidence that they can do anything because guess what while all these people are the main ones talking they're also the main ones wasn't going to ever give somebody that look like me that come from what I come from

the lack there of a higher education opportunity so why should I care what they have to say when I'm continuing to just look at the blaze that's being trailed don't don't worry about what I'm saying just look at the blaze that's being trail and the opportunity's just giving I have 230

229 include myself 30 young people that that that that work. You know, when I, when I first started my business, nobody believed how hard it was for me to get an opportunity. Not many meetings I had to be to drive runs I had to make and be turned down. And so I think it's not necessarily what's being said. It's the package that the words is coming in, you know.

It's me. And I understand that. And that's okay. But just because it hadn't been done before, don't mean it ain't the right thing to do. And look, there is a responsibility that comes with things, and I know that, but if you really listen and don't, don't focus on the clipping, even early on this year, I just gave a scenario based upon what my colleague was saying.

And I gave a scenario breaking down what could be. And if you, if you dissect it, what was sought after? a bid. All I said is if it was me, the way I look at it, because as you know, this is what I do. I do this every day all day, evaluate talent, and it's not just, people say, oh, you're just an agent. Well, actually, that's not true. I'm actually the CEO of the company that happens to be an agent. And so, you know, trying to put somebody in a box is the worst thing, especially for me. I mean, it's just tough to put me in a box because, you know, I know how hard it is. and once somebody turn that water, that faucet off,

and you go there and you try to turn that faucet on, there's no more water. You still thirst, you got to drink. So you got to create other pipelines, you know, because you know how this thing goes. And so I don't get discouraged. No, discourage me has killed more people than guns. And, you know, I just can't, I can't focus there, man.

It's just too tough to focus, especially when I know how hard it is to get an opportunity. And, you know, players have podcasts, you know, the moment that it distracts of getting the way of my day job, then that's a different story. But it doesn't at all. You know, I haven't missed the beat.

We're growing and we having a lot of fun. And, you know, again, they talked about Jesus, man. So I don't consider, I don't take myself too serious. Hello. Would you leave, would you leave your current role? to become to run a team say like a Rob, like a Leon Rose would that something you would consider?

No, not right now. Not right now. We're rolling, huh? Do you see the draft? Hey, hey, hey, hey, speaking of the draft, man, you got one of my favorite players to watch.

I watched them at high school. Caleb. Hey, hey, hey, I've been random raving to Armino about how nice he is. and I thought he showed great flash in college, obviously him getting hurt. But when you think about it, Rich,

that he made seven threes in college, bro. He went seven for 11 other night. Yeah. From three. And they talk about, oh, man, he reminds me a KG. He reminds me a KG. Hell, I seen a lot of KD the other night.

Yeah, you know what I mean? I think I've always said it. I thought he had the most upside in the entire draft and just a tremendous kid, a great family. and he's serious about his approach. He's serious about his profession. When you see the post-game interview,

you had 35, he's like, yeah, but we lost. Focus on that. We lost. And then he talked about how he was emotional going into the game and being vulnerable and being able to state that, hey, I was emotional. I actually cried because this is my first time playing since I got hurt. The game means that much to me.

That's not an act. I'm just letting you know. That's not an act. That is very authentic and true to the core. And, you know, we had, you know, Caleb and Co-Apeat and Brain Burry's just an unbelievable draft class this year, man. And, you know, just unbelievable young men and family still. That's the thing.

And so, you know, when you talk about going to do something else, you know, obviously, you know, people talk about that and there's been rumors and, you know, every. competitive agent meeting they tell families, oh, Rich, going to run a team and things like that, I think that's part of the game. But the reality of it is, no, you know, I've booked a real, see, it's a difference between building the business and building the book of business.

I built a business. And so it's not that easy to go away from. And I don't even want to do that, but it's not that easy to go away from. I enjoy what I do, getting up every day. I'm in that office every day if I'm not in the golf course, obviously. and, you know, I think it's, I'll say this. I'm honored when people say that,

because as you guys know, I come a long way, man. But at the same time, I really enjoy what I do. The moment I stop enjoying it, I won't do it. But right now, I really enjoy what I do. I have great clients, have great families. We built a tremendous business that stretches far beyond. representation and you know every day i get up i'm still thinking how to get better i'm still trying to perfect my craft man and find different ways of processing and and and you know different

verticals that's that's not representation uh just a representation adjacent i'm learning a lot every day and so you know you learn from young people get a lot of young people around you these kids are smart man very smart so yeah i'm learning a lot of um So, no, not right now, man. Not right now. I'm still a young man. You know what you're trying to, which? Why are you trying to get me out of the game?

Hey, you were there? I had tried to get you out of the game. You're with me? Okay, okay. Hey, hey, hey, Rick. Go ahead, Ocho. Go ahead. No, I got a question.

With everything you accomplished, being a CEO, building a business, if you didn't go this route. Yeah. If you didn't go this right, hell, if I didn't play football and football didn't work out, I want to be a marine biologist. I want to be a veterinarian because I love animals

and I love killer whales. Yeah. What would you put up in your other route if you didn't get out the way it's... That's a good question. You know, I was always a people's person, Ocho, you know that. Hell, me and you became, Fran.

I ain't played football. Wasn't ever in the bank was blocking room or nothing. You just had a liking for me, you know? And the same way with me and Joe. You know, that's... That's a good question. Look, again, I threw so many things at the wall hoping one stick, man. And then obviously, you know, I think people get it misconstrued when I talk about my journey and people try to make it that I'm, as if I'm not appreciative of the opportunity at LeBron forgave me. I would tremendously appreciative so much so much so that I couldn't wait to, to, to, to, do what I've been able to do and not be dependent up. Because I think when an athlete give you an opportunity as a friend, as a brother,

as a cousin, distant cousin, you know, whatever the case may be, that's not something that you should rest on, you know. That's not to, you know, to make a bed. That's more of like a palette, you know. And it's just one of those boosters. But then I think the most respect that we can show you guys is to go on and build something. and then you can look back and say, hey, man, you know what? I'm with that.

And I say that to all the young guys that surround my clients. I tell them, you know, it's on you. There's no way that you should be sleep when your guy go to practice and come back from practice. There's no way. There's no way them cars should be on E or not wash. There's no way the cleaners shouldn't be there. The Amazon boxes shouldn't be by them doors or their garage doors. that front door, that snow removal should be on time, you know, that refrigerator, the

cleaning crews, all of that because it's, it's just a proper way of doing things. And I, you know, as you know, I try to get a game and, and as best as I can, man, I'm extremely appreciative of the opportunity that was given to me. But at the same time, I know I, I, I knew I couldn't lean on that, you know, and the last thing I ever wanted to do. was be that guy in the section, and then when it's all over, then people ain't picking up your phone calls. You know, when you,

I had to build something. They're not picking up your call. They don't care who you used to hang around with. That don't mean nothing. That's not going to pay the bills. And so I try to express that as best as possible because, you know, I've seen a lot, man. I've seen a whole lot.

A whole lot had to deal with a whole lot. And so I don't know, Ocho, I probably would have been, In the music, probably music or fashion, you know, music or fashion, I could, I could, I could, you know, vice president of global, global marketing at one of these shoe companies or, you know, a manager, music manager. I can manage talent all day long. I'm an NR, too, now. I can pick a lot of records and find writers and get songs made and find the producers and do a, you know, I had a record deal at 25, 24 years old. What you mean? Come on, man. Listen. You can sing?

I didn't pick singles. I didn't done it all, Ocho. That's just what, again, that's just me. Well, we know you can pick a single. No, no, no, no. I pick singles. Come on, there you go. Oh, singles, okay?

Oh, no, no, no. I think, I think. Oh, my head, my man. Damn. Yeah. Hey, you know, I'm glad. I'm glad you said that, man. You know, LeBron, LeBron gave you an opportunity.

You know, he threw your layup. And, you know, I sing too. So I can see my, see my demo. Hey, you go. Hey, listen. I don't know about no layup. May have been a pass. I had to make the layup myself.

Right, right, right, right. I don't know about no layup. You know, I've been trying to get in the music industry for a little minute. You know, I can sing, man. I can sing you with demo. This is what we need to do for you. Because one thing about you, you got it.

You're a star. I know you're a star. Listen, we got to surround you with the right writers. Yeah. We've got to, you know, we've got to get you the right reference. We're going to have to put that auto to it on you. man, because I know you, we got to put that all those tune on. Oh, you old joke.

But we're going to do all the other stuff to the theatrical, man. We got to, we got to, we got to. Nah, you're going to might need to put auto zone. That doesn't need these car parts. Hey, um, come on. Hey, um, I could, I could, I'm, I ain't invite you to my show when I performed. No, let me invite you boys to the show. Rich, let me ask you, we'll get you out on this.

Uh-huh. Rich, you know what, being in this business, like you say, quarter century. And you've seen some players have some up and down. You're right well with LeBron in 2011. Darren Fox had a very similar situation this year. Had, you know, he didn't play his best ball. We know Darren Fox is an all-star. He's a phenomenal talent.

What was some of the things that you relayed to him, that you talked to him about after the series was over? Yeah, I talked to him a lot. Series over during the series, you know, after games and things like that. You know, anytime you play a sport, you got a short member. You got to have short memory. I think people, it's hard to place a one season on a not-so-use series. I think we've all seen that from the best of athletes. You don't look like yourself for a series for whatever reason.

Shots not falling, don't have your same quickness or your shift or the timing is off or anything like that. And sometimes it just, you know, you said that blackjack table long enough, you're going to get a bad shoe. maybe one or two of them. You know, you just got to stay. Can you weather the storm? You know, a new edition made the best song ever. Can you stand in the rain? So I think it's, I think during that time,

we was just having conversation about short memory, keeping the confidence, you know, understanding that social media is, especially with all the things that's going on with gambling, things like that now. I think the comments and things like that is out of control when it comes to things. like that. So you have to block those things out.

But also do other things. Having, you know, not being on scoring don't mean you can't affect the game in a different way. And, you know, so just trying to keep anytime in that situation, you're just trying to keep guys positive. But at the same time, there's a balancing act. Like, you can talk about it, but then you can't talk too much about it, right? Because at the end of the day, you don't want to be drowned out.

And when I say you, I'm saying the athlete don't want to. be drowned out with it. You got to, you got to, you got to, yeah, get there, go by the house, had a conversation, have a little meal. You may have five, six conversation, and we need a conversation within that conversation about it. And then you move on. But, but, but, but, but, but, de Aaron's a professional. I have no doubt that, that he'll, he'll, he'll, he'll, he'll, he'll, have a good year this year. We don't make excuses. And so, you know, you got to have accountability in situations like that. And he said it

himself, you know, obviously, you know, he needed to do a better job. And I think given the opportunity the next time, he will. Yeah. Appreciate that, man. Hey, Rich, thanks for stopping by me. Yeah, no problem. I know I've been trying to get on. Hey, tell LeBron, tell, hey, tell, go, when you want to have that big reveal, we take me on nightcap, club, shay,

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I said hey man I said I need you To come on nightcap I still ain't From typically He hit me right back Didn't he tell you He was gonna do this

He said I thought y'all was going to do the show Well he's gonna do it now But I thought I don't know. I thought I had a conversation. Hey, his face card good anytime.

Yeah. Yeah. He got interest. He got interest to the club. He got interested to the club anytime. I watch the show, man. I just, I enjoy the show.

And, you know, y'all are my guys, man. So I said, I've been trying to come on and it's tough. So this happened to be the right time. I hit Ash. I said, y'all, I hit you. I said, y'all on? You said, yeah. You said, yeah.

I'm on. So I appreciate, appreciate you guys. Have me on, man. Enjoy the rest of the show. Thank you. Appreciate it. Tell the wife we said. I will do.

When she performed again, is she touring anytime soon? Not to my knowledge. Yeah, not to my knowledge. Man, get out of my part, man. I got blinders on, man. You know. One thing but sure, I'm like this. Hey, they don't know nothing about that, Rich.

They don't know how I like that. Yeah, he'll have a horse in the Kentucky Derby. All he sits at the finish line, man. I don't know who on the map or who was right. I'm just like this. Joe, Timberwolves head coach Chris Finch put the league on notice

saying Anthony Edwards would be a cold-blooded score with the addition of lamello ball. He's engaged in a way like I've not seen, and I think there's a combination of factors. Obviously, the excitement of playing along lamello. I think it's also maturation and recognizing what the team needs,

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their games complement one another. LeMello is so unselfish. He made guys around him better. he has a natural feel, a natural great feel for the game. Like, when you watch a cat play, bro, it ain't necessarily about him coming out, scoring 30, 40 points a night. It's his natural feel of the game,

knowing how to pass, win the past, you know, seeing plays happen before they really even happen. And LaMello is like that, bro. He, hell, if I ain't mistaken, Uncle Ocho, I think he led the league as far as usage rate, making guys around them better. It's some stat, I've seen. But I think he's definitely going to make the game a lot easier for Ant Man offensively

because he knows and understands. Listen, okay, boom, this is our horse. I definitely got to get him going. I got to get him at least eight to ten easy points to where he don't even have to fight and work hard. You know what I mean? And then it's going to be nice where he's probably going to have 14, 15 damn assists. But then there are going to be some other nights where he's going to have an efficient 22, 25 points.

He'll lead him in school. You know what I mean? I just feel like they compliment one another. and it's going to be so fun to watch because they're both so electric, box office, and can play, bro. They both got something to prove. Lamello's going to have a chip on this shoulder.

You know what I mean? This is going to be good for the game. And you look at it, Joe, he's got a guy, not only can he facilitate. Now, he's the, Lamello's going to be the best score that he's played with since Cat. And he's playing with a guy

that's a little more flamboyanty as far as passing the ball than Mike Connolly. He can score better than Mike Connolly. They're kind of saying Mike Conley can facilitate, but Mike Conno wasn't the score that LaMello is. And nobody said, so now you got him and you got McDaniels coming on into his own. So now you just can't gang up on Ant Man.

You've got to pay these other guys some attention. And so it's going to be very, very interesting to watch. I can't wait to see it play. I can't wait to see him go at it because Ant Man is so fun to watch. I've never seen a guy because normally most guys be taking the series. They don't really, Ant Manna will engage with fans on the sideline. Yeah.

Yeah. He's like, oh, hey, I got to work out. I'll be big like you. I said, I don't know about that. Eddie said, oh, no, no, no, no. This is a lot of not eating and a lot of working out. Hey, hey, hey, hey. It's good that he know his body because, you know, some us know.

You know, we know, but we can't afford no bad week or two hell. We've been picked up 10. Hey, but I think Minnesota, okay, Ocho, I think they're going to lean. heavily on McDaniel really making a huge jump this upcoming season because they're going to be perimeter dominant

and they're going to need guys to really be able to score points and be effective on both ends of the court and they got a number of cats who can do that, bro. So do you right? They got offensive firepower. You look at the Somo, you look at Shannon, you look at LeMello,

you look at Ant. Like you said, if McDaniels take that next step offensively, they got four or five guys that we know what we know Ant Man can get 34 But the other guys, and we've seen Mello get 40, but those other guys can get you a solid 20. Easy. Yeah. Easy.

They got it. And so now you got your anchor with Rudy. Rudy's going to be Rudy. Just give me a double double, Rudy. Anything over eight points, we'll graciously accept. But we need you to be somewhere around 11, 12, 13 rebounds a game. Around two, three block shots a game with some intimidation factor. Because even though you don't block it, you alter it so much, they're not even close to making it.

Ant man is going to be Ant-Man. I'm counting on him being that. But I agree with you, Joe. I think they're going to be a very fun team. You know, they moved on from Jew Randall. They felt like he was clogging it up and wasn't. This is me. Nobody's told me this, but like, I don't really think he ever really fit

with what they were trying to do, Joe. Right, right. I understand. You know, I think what happened, especially in, in the playoffs they tried to play through Randall and it just didn't work, you know, obviously Ant Man was hurt, he was hobbled hell he even came off the bench the first, I think

game or two. Yes. It just didn't happen for him, you're right, they games don't complement each other because he's just not a, he can catch and shoot and make a three, but he ain't no damn catching shoot three, you know what I mean? Like he's a guy, he kind of got a play through in order for him to be effective. You know what I mean? You got to drop

him to the ball in the midpost and let him work a little bit. You know what I mean? And they just, it's kind of like force feeding. So I just think they're really thinking back, you know, obviously with them getting rid of cat and him going to win a title. Hey, hey, things happen, bro. Move on. You know what I mean?

I think the thing also, Ocho and Joe, is that because Julius Randall is not a great passer, he doesn't do a great job of passing when the double team comes. And he doesn't have a signature move. So now he's got to take 15 dribbles just to get within a couple of feet of the basket to try to pull his way to the basket up and under you. Well, man, so why you doing all that? I'm just standing around watching, Joe. Hey, Joe, I'm like this.

I'm ready. What you're going to do for me now? Come on, now. Shoot it to me. I'm ready. Hey. Like, well, damn. Hey.

He's like a dump truck, a sanitation truck. Beep. Beep. Beep. What, damn, Joe. Hey, hey, you're right. Now you pass me the ball with four seconds and run the while I rushed up a shot. Now you killing my shooting.

percentage because you rushed me a shot. You gave me the ball 30 feet out. Hey, okay, Ocho, the most underrated attribute a cat can have in basketball is being able to pass the damn ball. Right. Man, I'm talking about that's the most underrated attribute because if you got a guy who can really pass,

especially your bigs, man, they can make the game a lot easier for everybody. But if you got somebody, man, who can't pass, it's hard, bro. It makes a game a lot harder. You know what I mean? So I understand what I'm saying, you know, as far as Drew Randall not being a great passer,

man, you got to have, if your bigs can pass the ball, man, your offense can run real smooth, bro. Why you think Yokic is so dominant? Oh, man. Why do you think Yolkish is so dominant? He can pass his ass off. Yes.

Like a damn point guard. Yes. Yes. That's why. Biggs that can pass out of the double team, now because guess what? I pass out of the double team, Akeem Elijah, he was passing a Kenny Smith jet,

and Vern, Man Max, were getting wide open threes. Ory getting wide open look threes. Sam Cassell getting wide open look threes. And now when you come to Dober Team, I dump the dog down to Orders Thorpe. Yeah. Or I got Clyde Slat knifing through the basket.

Boom. So when you get a guy like that, Shaq with Kobe, you look at Go look at Shaq. Now, he's not a six, seven-assist guy, but Shaq knew Kobe's slashing diving. He's dumping off to him, Kobe dunking the ball. Or he got Robert Orr. He got Rick Fox.

He got fish. knocking down three. So when you got guys like that, it's hard. You got the double Shaq. You ain't got no choice. Even though you know you got shooters out there. Look, yeah, that's a three-point shot.

But Shaq going to dunk your big in the basket if you don't double it. Every time. Every time. And think about that. You see what y'all just said, right? Yeah. Shack is.

How dominant Shaq is. Yes. And now think about that five we got down there in Miami. Huh? No, no, no, no. Think about that. Think about that. Think about that.

No, Shack. I'm not saying. One Shack and they're going to ever be another one. I'm not saying he is Shack. I'm just saying with teams going to have to double team him. And we got the king coming over there too, right? We got the king coming over there where he's had to carry the crown, carry the weight of the shoulders.

Stay with me, Joe. Let me finish that. All right. He's had to carry the weight of the shoulders all his career. Now he wanted to sit back, kick back, and relax and let everybody else do the heavy lifting. Guess where he could do that, Joe? Where he can do that, Ocho? Boy, he can do that down and day-accounted, boy.

Hey, Ocho, Ocho. Ocho. Yonis, you really don't have to double Yonis. You just got to build that damn wall and trade. Build the wall. Yeah, I'm not done because he don't have a signature move, Ojo. He ain't got like a midi. He ain't got no turnaround.

I'll give him that all day. I just got to keep him out of the paint. That's what you do. As long as I ain't letting him do this, a dunk in the ball on me? You heard what you just said? I said? Yes.

I got to keep him out the pain. Who in the hell had succeeded on keeping him out of the pain? Build that wall. The team that beat his ass in the playoffs when I can just focus on him. Well, he by itself. You can't just focus on him now.

Hey, I'm just not going to let him get 30, 15, and seven. Well, Bam, going to get 83. Okay, well, let Bam get him's 83. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Hey, hey, real talk, though. Like, Yonnis getting the rebound. That's when he had his deadliest. When Janus, when Yonis getting the rebound,

Brown-Ocho, I feel like he that is deadliest because, you know, he can attack. It's a fast break right away. So what teams have to do is you have to build that wall, meaning you got to have at least shit, two, three sets of eyes on him and you're all in close proximity so he ain't got no lanes he can kind of get into and get in the teeth of your defense and calls all kind of hell. Because once he do that, you let him get in there. Hell, now he's nerve hoop dunking it, spraying out for three.

It's just too many options. I mean, but I think, I think they're going to be a hell of a team. I think they're going to be greedy defensively, which is going to fuel their offense. Yeah. Hey, hey, hey, Ocho, Ocho, real talk. If y'all get LeBron, what if they're going to be turned up to the max over there, boy. Hey, Joe, you ain't got to tell me because you understand that expert analysis you just gave me, huh? Yeah, yeah.

What's the thing LeBron thinking? LeBron, no. Where can I go? why I don't have to shoulder the burden. What is going to be the easiest route for me, not to just play, yeah, we heard Rich Paul say, oh, it's not about the money, or it's not about getting the ring.

The hell you say, yes, it is. I want my best chances. I want to maximize the end of the road as much as I can. And this is the best fit. I understood that, which is why I've been saying everything I've said. How do you think I knew Yonis was coming to Miami?

What did I say on the show a long time ago? Long time ago before anybody. Oh, yeah. Yonis is looking for how. I mean, I ain't just thought that I'd just be throwing out there. And then we got the reports today, huh? You saw the reports about Clay? What?

Yeah, I saw that. I saw that. Hey, listen, when I say something on here on nightcap, I know y'all think I'd be lying. What you're saying, bro? And I don't even need sources, because I'd be in the room with the people that's making the moves. What you're saying, bro?

Huh? What you say? You got really lucky because had Boston given that third year that Yonnis wanted, Yonis would have been in Boston. would have been in Boston. But hey, you must to do Boston. They weren't going to give him that third year. No.

I know what I'm talking about, man. You know what they wouldn't go in that third year? But, you said something very interesting before I was leaving. You say, Yon is getting the ball on the defensive rebound and pushing it. It's like a running back, Ocho. What we say about Derek Henry, we got to make him check his feet. Hey, you got to. If I just toss him the ball and let him run and then come down hill, I got to make him check his feet.

I got to make, I got to stop the ball. I got to make Yonis pick up his dribble. Yeah. And I ain't talking about it in the damn free throw line because it's too late. You let him pick up and dribble up with the free throw line. He had the basket. He dunking it.

Well, you're filing it. Hey, the best thing you could do, make him go east and west, Joe. Yes. I got to stop the ball. I got them. That goddamn Derek. Hey, that goddamn Derek.

Henry, Joe. Joe, he weighed by as much as you. He's 6-3 and he get ahead of steam. Once he get past that, the line, I'm making a business decision. And now you can do. I'm going to tackle his shoe. That's it.

I'm going to have his shoe. As a returner, we'll say, hey, the first guy down to the gunner, you got to throw. You got to make him, you just can't let him. Because when they just hit it on the move, yeah.

It's too much. You got to make him check his feet. But I told Ocho, Ocho, when they first got there, what I told him do? I say, man, y'all put him in an offset. He's not an offset back. He's not Jameer Gibbs.

He's not Christian McCaffer. Put that man heels in eight yards and toss him the damn bone. He's an old school back, huh? He's an old school eye back, Joe. Hey, he want to be out there. And you can put a full back in front of him, and you can let the full back slide to hell of you want to. But he wants you to hand it to him or toss it to him.

But he can't, he's not, he's too long. He's a long striver. So as a long strider, you put him in the offset, one step, two steps, he had the line. Yeah. Hey, hey, but how you got. He ain't shifting like, he ain't shifting like Gibbs. He ain't shifted like Gibbs.

like a Christian McCaffrey. He doesn't have shake like that, like a James Cook. Those guys can operate in an offset position, but not him. He's too big. Hey. But how,

how, how's he that big, though, with that type of breakaway speed? Because it's like, once he get through that, if he can get through that, it's like ain't no damn catching him. No, no, no.

He's strong. He threw that hair back like we did back in the country. He thought that head back, it's over. If we ever threw that head back, No, he's strong, Joe. Oh, yeah. Damn. I'm not talking about this strong.

I'm talking about when he running, he's in that open field. Yeah. He's strong, boy. See, people missed on him. He went in the second round because of his style. You got to look at the Ocho Joe and Ocho. Yeah. He had the most yard, he has the most rush yards in high school football history.

He broke Ken Hall's record of Sugar Land, Texas. Damn. That's still for like 50 years. He broke that record. Now he goes to Alabama. He's not there. long, but look at the carries. And he had what we call an upright

running style, which is a big target. He's a big man providing you a big target to hit. So everybody says, ain't no way he's going to be able to last long. He's got 2,000, 3,000 carers in high school. He's got another 2,000 carriers in college. And so

he might, at best, got four, five years. And here you are, if I'm not mistaken, going to year 10 and go year 11 and have a chance to be the all-time leading Russia. He has a chance, outside chance, to catch Emmett Smith and Ladanian Thomas as far as touchdowns from a running back. So he surprised a lot of people because of his running style is not conducive for someone because he's a guy that runs to contact. He's a collision back. He, hey, if you

know this, now, if he out there in the opening, he sees you go, because I got to tackle him low, Ocho. I ain't been hitting him in his damn chest. You are, absolutely not. And get right. I'm going low, Joe. Hey, hey, hey, I noticed that this year, too, this past. season because he dealt with them damn fumbles because guys ain't that guys were like damn taking his contact i'm gonna strip this damn ball yeah absolutely absolutely and now i put that in the back of his mind so now he can't run aggressively as he normally would because he's thinking about securing the football you're at your best when you're just free ohcho's just running his ride he running that speed out ohcho that left foot going to hit at 10 he's going to throw it the he's going to

roll a he knows when he comes out of that break one two that ball eight wow He already know. I'm hit at 10. I'm a roll to 12. When that right foot hit on that dig route and I'm on the right side, I'm driving back down here. I already know that. But I can't be thinking about it because what happens is it soles doubt.

You have a couple of drops. Now all of a sudden you apprehensive. You try to body, you try to bite you. You ain't fluid. You're trying to body catch it, Joe. Yeah. You're running with the football. You're like, you got both hands around it.

You can't. How are you juke in somebody like that? You need to have the ball. Ah! So they put doubt in his mind because they had those fumbles last year, special against Buffalo. Hey, remember what I said on the show, Unk? He funned it because he got them water on his arms.

Oh, those sleeves? No, sleeves. Next game, sleeves was gone, Joe. Yeah. You got to be able to feel that ball on your skin. When you wear them long sleeves, Joe, like the hoopas well? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You can't feel the ball.

You got to be able to feel that ball. somebody punched the right way. You got to have that skin, skin the leather on. You got to have that skin to leather contact. But I like considering that Minnesota has not Denver out a couple of years of the playoffs and with really just aunt. Now, Jay McDaniels has been out of his mind.

I don't know what it is about the Nuggets, Joe. And then they found something in Desamo. They found something in those guys, but I don't know what it is about the Nuggets that he loves playing against the Nuggets. Hey, and he gives a Murray a fit. Hey, that's why he plays well.

Let me tell you something. When you got a guy who's known for defense and he can score, he's a pretty good offensive guy too, see, him having the guard, Murray, it fuels his offense because, you know, you play good defense, you ain't good spirits, so you're playing the right way, boom,

that ball finds you, you know, now you're able to make plays, offensively, but defensively he's so engaged that, you know, it kind of fuels his offense and kind of gets him going to the point to where he, damn, me, he looks so good against the nuggets. I'm like, I don't think the Nuggets want to see the Timberwoods no damn more. He's like, I need to see, I need to see the Nuggets about 40-50 games. I'm a all-star against him for show.

But that's just, that's how it rolls out. It is. I'm anxious to see Ant-Man. He is, you know, he's a pleasure to work. watch because at the end of the day I don't give a damn to sport it's still about entertainment, Ocho you go to a sporting event

to what? To be entertained Yeah Yeah Let's mention of course If Jordan just laid the ball up Would you gonna be just entertained? It was that tongue hanging out And he's sideway

Ah Yeah It was Magic Johnson doing this Yeah Yeah Yeah That part Yeah

That's why Bigs That's why Big is hard to resonate with Biggs unless you like Shaq breaking down the backboards. Everybody's talking about the most unstoppable shot that's ever been created in basketball is what? The hook.

That's Sky Hook. Sky Hook. And don't nobody get Cream created. Man, ain't nobody want to see that. Ain't nobody even practicing there no more. And nobody practicing. Of all the things, you see people do the finger roll, the George Gervyn and Doc

Fanger Roll, you see them hang in the air. They even tried to copy Steph Curry shooting the ball from distance. Ain't no, not one player have ever. What the last time you seen somebody throw a hook shot from 18 feet like Corrine? Hey, that's a hard-ass shot, though, Uncle, I ain't gonna lie to you. Hey, that's probably why they don't want to do it.

It would take long to perfect something like that, too. Carey said, how long you thought he took him to work on that? He said, you make it seem like he just came in the league. He's been working on his whole career. Oh, yeah. Yeah. And that's the thing. Jordan is not Jordan if he wasn't entertaining.

He understood. the entertainment value of it. Right. Yeah. When he started flying through there, dunking on there, everybody. With spraying his legs, huh?

You already know how the logo going. Stop playing. The jump man. Yeah. I mean, he dunking on everybody in the game. And when he came out there with that tongue hanging out, I said, man, you're going to bite your damn tongue on. I'm surprised he didn't have any issues.

We got somebody hit him out there or hit him while his tongue was out. What kind of issue with... If the Knicks didn't do it and the heat didn't do it and the pistons, where nobody else was going to do it because they were the most physical.

Hey, but don't sleep on the Boston Celtics now. People don't look at... Because they look at McHale and they look at Parrish and they look at Byrd and don't think they were physical. But shh. They had a super team.

Everybody, all of them have, the Lakers and the Celtics had a super team. But super teams are okay, Joe, if you build it. That's what I learned to notice. As long as you build it. But you do realize the Celtics did not draft Robert Parrish.

They traded him for Joe Barrett Cowell in the right to the number one pick. So that's how they got Kevin McHale and Robert Parrish. They didn't draft Dennis Johnson. They didn't draft Nate Archibald. A lot of the players that they got, they didn't draft.

But that's okay. That was before you back there. And look at the lake. They didn't draft Kareen. They drafted Magic. They didn't draft Bob McAdoo. But look, if I like you, I'll make excuses. You know what I said, Ocho.

I like what you do. If I don't, I don't give a damn what you do. You can find a cure for cancer. Screw you. You ain't cured diabetes. Oh, man. You found a cure for cancer, but you ain't cured diabetes. What are you going to do about that, Joe?

Come on, come on. If you're so good at medicine, you know how I go. But no, I think this. say, Ant Man, you come, I'm trying to say, the close he's going to come

is to the Lakers or the Clippers. I got to go see him. I got to hit, hey, T. Lou, I know you watch it because you watch all the time. I'm going to come see Ant Man play. When they go,

when they go play the Clippers? Yeah. I think I want what I will. I'm going to hear his ass up. Yeah. Minnesota going to be fun to watch this shit, okay, Ocho. Hell yeah.

Absolutely. They're going to be, fun to watch. They still going, I still think they're going to be a top, they're going to be a top five team in the east, I mean West. Top five. Sure. Yeah. For sure. And if they stay healthy, they might be

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at least not to my knowledge. I haven't heard anything on it. So that's not a good sign because when you go into a new team and when you go into a team that this is the MVP, like you've been the MVP for this team. Now I'm coming to join your team and we haven't had a conversation. that's that I don't like it yeah I don't like that you know what I mean because we we all trying to we're getting out to a fresh start joel you're getting off to a fresher start right and

now you add in another MVP along with the young boys that you have to make things easier for you to make things easier for you and there hasn't been any communication as far as my knowledge Joe this is your level of make uh go ahead oh hey hey Joe I know you probably I'm from a football since, you know, when new players are coming in, especially on new receivers, there are veterans coming from other teams, especially when it's the off season. I don't put too much into it as far as the communication goes.

Obviously, most of the players are off right now. They're traveling there with families. I wouldn't put too much into it, Joe, and Unk, maybe you guys may feel different about it, even though a conversation needs to be had, listen, welcome to the team, maybe something like that. I think something a little bit more formal in person. You know, you guys see,

other, but just saying, hey, welcome to the team as far as right now, especially why everyone's out doing their own thing, is, eh, it's, it's, it's, if I hear from you, it's okay. If I don't, I see when it's time to play ball and it matters most. But, Joe, you might feel different. I, I kind of agree with you, Ocho. I feel like, you know, if they did have anything, you know, riffraff between each other, that's water under the bridge, now, fellas. Maybe I have said some things, and I still believe them to be true.

But, hell, we're on the same team now. Is it water under the bridge? Yeah, I mean, man. I mean, Tyler Hero thought it was water under the bridge, too. He said that months ago. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but what I'm doing? Hey, y'all's a good one. Hey, but what I'm saying, listen, we're on the same team now.

I may have said something about you flopping cool. You still do. I still think you're a hell of a player. But now that I'm here, listen, man, let's come together, man. I ain't tripping. Maybe they have talks since. that interview, but I'm like Ocho, Uncle, I don't really put a

whole lot of stock into that, bro. I just feel like MB knows what J.B. stands for. You know what type of shape he's going to be in? You know the mindset he's going to come with. You're going to have to match their energy, partner, if y'all trying to do something in the Eastern Conference. What is standard protocol?

I'm not talking about the eighth man on the bench. I'm talking about a bona fide a finals MVP, an Eastern Conference MVP, an all-NBA selection, a multiple, multiple time All-Star. What is standard protocol of a guy that caliber going to a team and the best player from said team,

or one of the best players from said team, what is normal protocol? Is it normal standard operating? A, standard operating procedure. S-O-P. What is standard, Joe? Yeah, no, no, no. I ain't going to say he and act like it ain't normal.

Now, normally, if you get a guy that caliber, now, if you get a guy that caliber, the first thing, you know, you hit him, hey, bro, welcome to the school. boy, we're about to make something shake. You feel me? We got to be on the same page. We're going to get together here soon. I know you're going through blah, blah, blah, that.

But, yeah, it should have been already handled. But he talked to the young guns already, huh? Yeah. Maybe he probably, let me ask you a question, Ocho. When you went to, when you went to New England, did Tom reach out to you? Yes or no? No, I saw him once I got to the, once I got to the stadium, because he didn't have, he didn't have my number.

Okay. Yeah. Well, hell, he could have, he could, I mean, Belich had it. So you could have got that. And me and Bill, you know, me and Bill had a relationship long before I got there. Right. So me and Bill, me and Bill was really close. And another thing, what if Embed is still upset?

And then B, swing on Jaylon Brown when you get there. Hey, chill, bro. Yeah, hey, hey, hey, this ain't what Houston came to. You know what I mean? Listen, we had a little mishap. See, one thing about it, a lack of communication can lead to a real misunderstanding, fellas. You know me? And that's what we go over that.

Yo, whoa, whoa, Joe, you ain't just gonna throw that at that like that. Let me write that down, bro. I'll go ahead, take your time. Take it time. I'm running back for the people who ain't here. I'm gonna run it back. I'm gonna run it back.

I'm gonna run it back. I got you there in my next argument. I'm gonna run it back. A lack of communication can lead to a misunderstanding, man. That's how it was. But, hey, hey, bam just had to get some straightening. Just get a little straightening.

Yeah. You see what I'm saying, Ocho? Hey, chat, y'all see how Joe's circle back on that? We had nothing left. Bam and Tyler here old ago. Now, I could look, look. I kind of feel BAM in a sense. You know what I mean?

It's like, Ocho been doing all that talking about me. I think when he sees me, it's going to be kick, kick, key, hi, ha, ha, yeah. Yeah. Wow. Hey, Bam's a, hey, Bam, say, hey, Bam say, Tyler, he wrote, guitar, hero, hey, Hogan's hero. Pop, five.

One, two, three, four, five. Yeah. Yeah. Take that with you. And listen, Tyler, Tyler, Tyler, hero, man, that's my dog, man. That's my homeboy. I'm sure there was a misunderstanding. He said some things that he probably thought,

one going to get out publicly. Of course. He screenshot it was from the DM. Somebody's, he tweeted that he did that in the DM. Somebody screenshot it and sent it out. I'm sure. I'm not sure if he tried to apologize,

knowing Tyler Hero the way I do. I'm sure he tried to apologize and probably Bam really wasn't going for it. And one thing led to another. I hope cooler heads have prevailed now and they probably talked it, talked it out. And I'm sure Tyler Hero apologized and Ban probably did the same thing.

listen, you move forward. We move forward and we play ball. Yeah, yeah. That would be something that would be better ask of John, because I know that when they brought players to the team, I wouldn't call anybody. Look, I've always had two phones. And you ain't getting the main line.

That was for kids, you know, that was for very, very select group of people. That being said, like I said, Joe, that would be something that you would have, I mean, because quarterbacks, I'm sure you can hear I've already talked, you know, when Joe Burrow or you hear Patrick Hall, they already say, I've already talked to Patrick or I've already talked to Joe. I've already talked to Trave. I've already talked to this guy. So I just wanted to know what was standard operating procedure because that's not something that I've been in.

When we bring in players, you bring you, hey, I'll see you when I get to a mini camp or training camp or something at that level. So that's why I'm asking you guys because I've never, me personally, I've never bringing in. I mean, I really, you never brought anybody I really knew. And at that point in time, it's kind of like today, guys, I understand I'm a position friend. We're friends because of the position I'm in. You're my friend because of the position you're in. The days of you got somebody, Ocho, that you grew up with in high school, Joe, you grew up with in high school in college. We're what we call positional friends now.

We're friends because of the position that we're in. See, let's not make it more complicated than what it is. We're teammates now, Joe. We're teammates now, Ocho. Yeah. Let's not lose sight of that, okay? So, hey, that's my dog. Hey, what a dog?

Hey, I'm glad you said that, too. I'm glad you're just because your teammates, Uncle Joe, you don't have to like each other. No. You're not there for a relationship. You dare to win a championship or to do everything you can to win a championship. And everyone has to pull their own weight. That's all it is. Now, if we happen to be friends and build a relationship because we're having to be on the same team,

yes. All for it. That's fine and dandy. And to answer your question, now that I think of, about it. Remember, I got traded to the Patriots real late. Right before the season started. So Tom didn't have time to call me because when they got traded, I had to be in New England in 24 hours. Hey, hey, hey, Tom won't call you know that way. You fall in line. You get these damn orders. I'm throwing the balls. Don't worry about it.

Yeah, he was, he was here, but he was calling you know damn way. Hey, Joe, let me tell you something. When you get to New York, you're going to fall in line too because I'm going to get you. Damn. Hey, man, look you're bad. Joe, I mean, Joe might have a change of and bring his girl. Don't beat him up in front of the girl. Come on, come on. You got a cheer. You got, I just said, man. Just in case. You got a chill. You got a chill.

You might be on to something. Because in order for him to go to Houston, I think he had to bring her here. So you know how it is when you want to go somewhere. You want to do nice things. You want to do nice things for your girl. So you let you go. Hey, hey, hey.

Oh, Joe, you see the lead? You see what I get? We got. We got an official. Okay. Okay. Hey, Chad. Chat. Y'all see, we can't even have a civil show no more. We might want to get that laminated so it can't get that.

Okay, no problem. No problem whatsoever. Get their laminated. We always try to be, we try to do things official. We don't ever, won't think anything it's shade tree or it's rigged. You know what I'm saying? I mean, hey, this is an official document. I'm trying to see.

I'm trying to see how in the hell we go from Jalen Brown to my permission's left. That's why I'm trying to see. That ain't, it all coincides. Well, listen, listen, listen, listen, back to the Jalen Brown thing. Yes. I think what's understood really don't have to be explained, honestly, fellas. Meaning, in B, I think he knows everything revolves around him. Obviously, they still can happen.

No, I don't know. I don't think that's the case no more, Joe. Yeah, I'm saying, when I say revolve around him, I'm meaning playing the right way. Yes, okay, okay, I see what you say. He can't be no ballstopping. But when I say fall in line, meaning like, man, look, he's going to get 20 points because he's that damn good. You know what I mean? But can you get in the floor of the game and not be a ballstopper to where it gets all these other

perimid guys, you know, out of sync? You know, we want to continue that chemistry and continuity that they kind of got going. We don't want to pull the reins back. We want to continue to let them attack offensively hell, J.B. M&M. Max, they both average 29 a game this past year. Y'all don't think they're trying to build on that? Now listen, I understand that they all are going to have to sacrifice a little bit.

I just don't want to see that wild, helter-skelter-ass basketball, no rhyme or reason, your turn, my turn type. I don't want to see that, man. I want to see these guys being syncing, Joel, play the right way and make the game easy for everybody around them. That's what I want to see. But I also think, Joe, you know what happened a lot of times? They overpass the ball because everybody wants to show that they're sacrificing,

and everybody wants to show just how unselfish they are. And they're not, they're like, I'm going to show everybody. Bro, take the shot. We're not saying, we're not saying take of the obvious. We're not saying do the, you know, do the obvious right thing. But I think sometimes they overpass the ball because they're trying to show, you go out of their way to show that we're just, we're so unselfish. I ain't got no problem with him.

I ain't got no problem. And you're not playing really good basketball. I still believe that you play fundamentally sound basketball. And guys know when to do the right thing and when, when it's not. the right thing. That's just me personally. But I really wanted to see what you thought about this because this is your level. And like I said, normally it's probably the quarterbacks

that normally reach out because for the most part, that's generally the guy that's looked at as the CEO. Now, it had been very interesting. Probably, I mean, if you went to, when Sequan was with the Giants and they had some quarterbacks in, maybe they reached out to the day.

But maybe it was Sequan or maybe it was Jetta. You know what I'm saying? Maybe it was something like that. But I know, When guys to go to Kansas City, they would always say Patrick, they talk to Patrick or they talk to Tram. And so I was always interested to see because I was, even though I was one of the leaders on the team, I was, you know, I was busy. I was working out. And even like, Joe, did you, did you take guys when you were in college and they brought guys in? Did you take them around campus?

Did you take them on, show them on the official visit? Nah, I wouldn't they got on. I was, I was, I'm going to tell you outside. Right. When I was not, it wasn't that I was too quiet, man, I'd be too locked in, and I, I'm just not the typical guy when it comes to, like, showing guys a good time and all that. Man, I ain't the dude for that. You're me? Yeah. Hey, that ain't, that ain't me, because, boy, on my visit, I know they cut up. Damn, Joe, you didn't participate? No, man, I wouldn't, you know, I wasn't partaking in that, uncle. Hey, look, let me tell you y'all something, man. Before I went to college, I had a real plan.

I can't be here no longer than two years, bro. No longer than two years. I got to get my ass out of here. Yeah. Hey, it wasn't no NIL back then. Okay, if I got a few million, you know, I could have brought mom to college with me. She could have been cooking it out with me.

Yeah, yeah, she could have got a place right close by. It was just going to be a little pissed out. Yeah, we're going to go on, keep it on, you know, get back on the room. Keep on moving. Yeah. Oh, Cho, did you show people around, would you? Where? at Oregon State.

Well, you hell, you just got there. I was, I was, hey, Joe, I was in school for two weeks. Hey, it's that. I went to one class. I went to my finance, two class. I went to my finance class, Joe. And you know, I love theater and drama.

Hey, hey. I ain't going to nothing else. You did, you did, just enough to get by, huh? I did just enough that I normally used later on in life. You know, I'm just, you know, I'm doing. I love theater, plays, you know, stuff like that. And finance, you know I ain't when to come to my finances. I don't play.

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, that's how I was. I mean, look, I did it. Well, like I said, I showed Ben Colts around one time, and I told him he shouldn't come there because they moved me to tight end and he was going to be on the bench. You told, oh, it was a guy in the same position as you. Yeah, Ben Coats that played with New England, that went to the pro bowl,

and me and he scored a pro. Yeah. Hold on. He was from South Carolina. He went to, he, he, uh, he, he, he, he, uh, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, he, end up going to Livingston, but he came to visit Savannah State. I was, I was his, I was his host.

So I, hey, when I, that was the only, that was the first and the last time. So I was like, man, I didn't know what position you play. I was a wide receiver. Yeah. So, you know, and coach, like a lot of times the top, offensive players that were coming in, skill position players, coach would have me, and I would only did it one time. So I guess he thought enough for

Colts that, okay, coach, I'd do it. I said, my man, what position you play. He's like, man, I'm a tight end. I said, oh, okay. I say, I mean, what you're trying to do? He's like, man, you know, it'll be big for me to start my freshman year. I said, don't come here. He said, why? I said, because they're moving

me to tight end and you can't beat me out. I was just honest. And guess what, Joe? The next year, I was an All-American. Conference player of the year, offensive player the year. all conference and black college all-American. So what do you think the chance was he's going to beat me out?

It wasn't going to. Hey, you kept your 100 with him, man. He went to Livingston, had a great career, got drafted by New England, and him and I used to go to the Pro Bowl every year. If you were in the AFC from like 93 to 98, you weren't going to the Pro Bowl, not over me and him. Y'all had a sold-up. The only question was who was going to start, he or I.

But you could, no, hell not. But I was honest with him. Coach Davis said, God damn home, I can't let you take nobody else out. We ain't going to get nobody. And then if I'm a wire receiver, I'm taking you on a recruiting visit. But it got to the point,

coach said, you're going to be the slot receiver. We already got our two receivers. It was me and Squirrel. We came in together. So I was two, he was three. Yeah. Coach, like, hey, I'm an All-American. Then the next year I come back,

I'm an officer player of the year. I'm first team all conference. I'm again, black college all-American. I was the only sophomore on the black college all-American team. Right. All the black coaches were within Greensboro, North Carolina, anybody that know the Sheridan College, but share the network, they have a black college all-American

just for HBCU players. Yeah. My coach, coach Davis, coach from Gremlin, Robinson, coach from Jackson State, W.C. Gordon, coach Willie Jeffers, all those coaches from Gunsling, Archie Cooney, Coach Cooney. They're sitting around. Now, everybody else is juniors because, guess what,

they got the Black College All-Star game. So, you know, they're practicing. All the coaches come in. I'm already there because I'm a sophomore officer. I can't practice with them because I'm not leaving college. And everybody was talking about these guy. Oh, man, Harvey Reed, who was running back. he was player of the year, black college player of the year.

They talk about all these guys, Vincent Brown, they call him the Undertaker, Mississippi Valley. He said, man, this joker here is going to be good. Coach Davidson, look here, I don't mean to cut you all off. He said, but I got the bad end here, and he's a sophomore. He said, I tell you what, in five years, he'd be the bad, he's going to be the bad.

Whatever he played, he's going to be the badest one. All y'all good, I'm sure all these guys good. He said, but I got the baddest end here, right? nine, he's a sophomore. He's a lie. Hey, hey, um, you still, you still talk to some of the players

that played with you at Savannah State. Like, you still talk about, Bucket, Ben Bucket played together. What about Squirrel? I'm talking about Squirrel. I see Squirrel. I see. When I go back, Squirrel,

we got what we call the 86 class. 86 is the best recruiting class in Savannah State history. Me, Squirrel, Big Daddy, Rough House, Dane, Yard. A couple of the guys are passed.

Now, Dame is past. Yard. past, Coop, but we were the baddest, we were the baddest class, BMW, Mike Wallace,

yeah, we still, we still keeping communication. And when I go back, which is not often, we get, hey, call 86. And when we see each other,

we start hollas 86, and we know who that is, 86. Yeah. We on the yard, they already know 86 was in the house. 86 in the house.

Are you, anybody with the Savannah State. Y'all know by 86. Y'all should cut up on their yard in your mind. Huh? I already know it. I already know it. I already know it.

But look, for the most part, I don't know, maybe at North Carolina, Kentucky, the basketball teams, because those are basketball schools, Arkansas probably is a basketball school. But if you go to a football school, a little bit of you, I'm just trying to figure out how anything can even come close. Come close. at Alabama, at Ohio State, at Michigan, at Penn State, Notre Dame.

What is even close to the football team, guys? Georgia. No, no, no. Arkansas Football School, you're right. Nah, nah, nah. Them boy, hey. Hey. Oh, yeah, but we still, we, we plan, as a matter of fact,

we plan, it's just so hard because everybody still is in Atlanta and Savannah, Ocho. And so they talk, they talk all the time. a lot of times when they have homecoming, they'll FaceTime me. That's the only time I let them FaceTime, they're like, man, hey, Sean, what's going on? Man, you need to beat out here. No, not with y'all drunk ass. I don't need to be down there.

But no, it's always great hearing from the guys. I invited Big Daddy, Squirrel, Polk, and Bucket. They came to the Hall of Fame. As a matter of fact, I pay for those guys to come. In Roughhouse, he asked Bucket to say, man,

tell Sharp I want to come. I say, bro, hey, if he paid for his way, I got him ticket into the game. So, I mean, to the ceremony. So he paid for his own way because, like I said, he's a part of that 86 class, and we were, we liked this era. Yeah. I mean, you know, obviously, guys, we fought against,

you know, I didn't fight, but you're something that, you know, we knuckle up. But boy, ain't nothing come between us. Against us, against everybody else. Yeah, we going to fight. Yeah. Hey, dabbing up and be okay tomorrow. Don't you try that. Don't you try that in the yard now.

Hey, hey, hey, I can imagine the stories the boys got, boy. Hey. Huh? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Oh, yeah. Oh, freaking. Hey, it's so funny. No, no, no, I went like that.

Well, I was like, Joe. Like, Joe, Joe, I went to school, you know what I'm saying? I got to get a degree. I got to get a pot of here, man. Porter sent me for two reasons. Hey, hey, that don't mean you ain't freaking because you got to do all that hell. Hey, I only had four years to be there.

I could be there freaking freaking would have kept me there next year or two. No, no, no, no, no. You know. I'm going to get out regardless because back then, well, I don't know if they do it. Now, man, Black College ain't got no money to be red shirt, nobody. You got to get up out of there. You got four years.

You come out of, you come in there at 18. I mean, 17, you getting out of 21. You coming at 18, you're getting out of 22. Ain't no red shirt. Even if you hurt yourself, you're getting up out of there. You just got a year-cut show. Hey, Joe, every time, you know, when Uncle and I first started and sometimes he'll tell stories about, you know,

some of the things that happened at the HBCU, we had some really good stories, man. We first started the show. and man, that just got me thinking, man, obviously I didn't have the opportunity because I was a knucklehead and I took such a long route

in the school system and my love and my dream was to always attend Florida A&M University. Just to hear Unc talk about the ASBCU experience in general and being able to see my daughter crossed their Privy A&M and Joe, it experienced that atmosphere, Joe.

Like I had to talk about my daughter crossing over. Joe, I was in tears, Joe. Yeah. The Joe, I'm talking about in tears and the atmosphere, it was, it was unbelievable and I was only there for two hours. So I could imagine being able to have that experience for four years straight. If that small simicides, it has emotional, Joe, I ain't even close.

Ain't nothing like rush. Oh, oh. You see them go over to see the AKA, the deltas, or, you know, obviously the Fives, the frats, the Q, hold on, the capas, the sigmas, the alphas. Hold on. They had all that what Ocho was at, didn't it? Yeah, but it ain't nothing like a L. HBCU.

Not the pageantry. I know, no, yeah, yeah, okay, yeah. Boy, look here. A, homecoming, Joe, that buzz, that atmosphere, that student center is buzzing. Everybody start to file, you know, the alumni start filing in on start coming in late Monday, Friday by Friday, everybody there.

They up on the yard, they talk, hey, Shaw. Hey, what you got for, Shaw? Oh, you already know, I'm going to put it down for you now. You came back to see O'Shea do it. Yeah. I got you. I got you. I'm going to do what I do.

Hey, Joe, I had the opportunity to go, my daughter's senior year. I had the opportunity to go to Preview Homecoming, her senior year. Yeah. Joe, I ain't never seen nothing like it, Joe. Yeah. I ain't never seen nothing like it. And every time family has their homecoming, my, you know what, I got to work. I'm always working on that Saturday.

I've never had opportunities to go. It's amazing. And that's what I tell people. If you went to a PWI, every black that's going to a PWI, you should have to spend one semester at a HBCU. And you wanted to be the fall. You wanted to be the fall because in the fall,

you're going to get a little bit of everything. You're going to get all the football season and you're going to get a couple of basketball game. Yeah. You know, our football team, we were called the suit coat crew. So we come in there, all football players, we have a suit coat on. Yeah.

And we got a roll of toilet paper. As soon as our team score, we throw the toilet paper on the floor. They have to start the game. Prud! They started controlling checks on the joke. Yeah. And so now the player, they're getting high. Hey, Sean, y'all coming.

We got you. We got you. Just, hey, don't matter. We go first or not. As soon as we go, about 40 rolls of toilet paper. Now, you're going to mess up the dorm because, hey, we only had so much toilet paper. We had a steal toilet paper from the student center. But that's all right.

But the team, we had a great chemistry. We had a great foundation. We got along for the most part because Peacock, basketball, football, and a few baseball players, but mainly it was football and basketball players that stayed in Peacock. Most of the baseball players stayed down there at Boston. But we were close. We were close. Oh, man, I wish I had the opportunity to get that experience for it.

Yeah. Ain't nothing like it. College of college. Hey, college was fun, bro. Yeah. Damn. I'm glad I went when I went. Yeah.

I couldn't, I couldn't, Joe, we couldn't, Joe. Well, you could, Joe. Ocho and I couldn't make it in social media era, not in college. Oh. Not in college. Hey. No, no, not me. Yeah.

Not me. You got to realize, Joe, I had a brother in the NFL by junior senior year. Yeah, you're going to be cutting up. You're going to be cutting up. Bro, I had a 300 ZX with T-Tops. I got a Mercedes. My senior had a Mercedes, a 300E. Big body.

Yeah. Boy ain't passing up no hoo-ha. He got, he... Yeah, I already know it. And you know, you young, then. Man, hey, I had to hire him out a hostage negotiated to talk him down. He'd be up about five or six hours. I had to talk him down.

Hey, hey, this, you've done all you can do, Mr. Sharp. You can come on your... Hey, you can ease down now. Hey, you got a chill. You got a chill. You got a chill. Had a hospital negotiator to talk him down. Savannah PD?

Hey, he asked about me. Oh, Joe. Oh, Joe. What the wrong with your man, bro? He got to share. Listen. But let me tell you how bad I had it, right? I wanted to, never had the opportunity.

Went to Oregon State. Obviously, a great time. It was a short four-month stint for me at Oregon State. But I love, I love fam you so much, Joe, and I was a knucklehead in school. Joe, I graduated high school late. I didn't apply myself. Small, but I didn't apply myself.

Yeah. I love FAMU so much. Even after I made it to the NFL, you know how I had them about music. I love the band. I always been a fan of the band. From 2002 to 2008, I'm not sure how many people in the chat went to FAMU or maybe played in the band, but I'm sure you heard the stories.

Every offseason, I did my training in Tallahassee, just so I could see band camp. Joe, just so I could see band camp. Man, Dr. White, I don't, I'm not, Dr. White's not there anymore. Right now, the band director is Dr. Shelby Chipman. Hey, Joe, every off-season, I'm in Tallahassee. At bed, I go train in the morning and sit there and watch band camp. Oh, yeah.

Did you ever play the instrument? Yeah, yeah, you know, Joe, I play piano and alto saxophone. Yeah. Okay. I'm talking about I love and just, I couldn't go there. So that, that gave me my sense of peace. Yeah, yeah. It's being able to see band camp during the all season

and get my training done in the morning and go watch them boys, man. That's a... Yeah, because by the time you got there, because when I came out, Prop 48 had just been instituted. The year I graduated because of what happened at the University of Georgia.

So that made it work. That made it... So everybody was up under you had to make at least 700. Or you had to sit out your freshman year. So the only place I really could go was D2 or the HBCU. So that's why I ended up going to Savannah State because I was one of the top recruits coming out.

But my grades, like I tell people all the time, Joe, I couldn't have got in prison with my grades. Hey, I haven't been to hold nobody. I haven't been to hold nobody. I'm not, I'm like I am now that have acquired knowledge and wanted to learn, I had no interest in that when I was in high school. Because you have to understand, I was so much better than everybody else.

my school. I was so much better of a basketball player, so much better as a football player, especially my senior year. It was close my junior year, my junior year. We had a guy to end up going to Georgia Tech named Alfonso Thomas. He probably was the best player. I probably was the second best player. My senior

it wasn't even no question. Basketball, I was best player. Track, I was the best, I was the best at what I did. So, hey, I see no read. Hey, hey, they can. Do no school work. They came from being out there and feels.

Hey, the chat, the chat making fun of me talking about, I lie so much. Hey, I'm not so much. But, hey, chat,

do me a favor. Those that, think I'm lying, look at my Instagram. Look at my picture that's on my Instagram. That, that,

that, that, that's my Instagram. What you call it, your bio? Your bio, yeah. Yeah,

your biopic. Yeah, look at my biopic. What about it? I mean, because they talk about, oh, I'm lying by my family,

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