Nightcap - Best of NBA News Part 2: Spurs PROBLEMS, Trae Young DECLINES option & Knicks NO SEX rule

Episode Date: June 21, 2026

Shannon Sharpe, Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson, and Joe "King Iso" Johnson bring you the Best of NBA on Nightcap! The crew  breaks down the brewing point guard controversy in San Antonio between De'Aaron Fox and Dylan Harper. Plus, Jordyn Woods drops the details on the Knicks no-sex rule and much more! Subscribe to Nightcap presented by PrizePicks so you don’t miss out on any new drops! Download the PrizePicks app today and use code SHANNON to get $50 in lineups after you play your first $5 lineup! Visit https://prizepicks.onelink.me/LME0/NI... 0:00 - Spurs committed to De'Aaron Fox23:30 - Isiah Thomas on Jalen Brunson being face of league46:57 - Trae Young declines player option (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Listen to I Am Rap Report on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. According to ESPN's Mike Wright, the Spurs are committed to Deeran Fox. The Spurs remain committed to Fox as their franchise starting point guard. One Rough series essentially playing on one leg doesn't change that. The four-year $229 million contract extension, Fox signed last summer, kicks in next summer. So he goes from 37.1 to $4.4.4. 49.8. He's scheduled to make $61 million in the final year of the deal in 2930. He'll be just 32 years of age. It's expected that calls for Harper's camp for a spark

in the starting lineup will grow louder and louder going into the next season. But it's not an issue San Antonio needs to address right now. Fox contract won't become a potential eyesore until Wemby's upcoming rookie extension kicks in. and when Spurs are looking the next summer to extend Castle, what should be a max deal. Joe, it's a great thing to have young talent. We saw this with OKC. They get Shay done.

You get Jay Dub done. You get Chet done. But damn. And, okay, you just gave Fox his money. Wemmy going to want his money. Castle going to want his money. Something you have to do with Harper. You can't have four guys on the Mexican.

right. I don't give a damn how much with it. How many can you have? Probably three at the most. Three. Yeah, three at the most. But, and then you're going to end up having to get off one of them. But at the same time, if I'm saying Antonio, you know, you kind of ride it to, you know, Fox, I mean, for the next couple years, because you're going to be able to pay Wimby. You'll be able to pay Castle. But when Harper come up, somebody has got to go.

Somebody got to go. It's just period point blank. I'm saying. Hold on. Because he's going to have to pay him max dollars. You can't have four max guys on your team, Mocho. Yeah. You'll be in the second tier.

You'll be playing more. You'll be paying more. And bonus and penalties than you worth salaries. That means Fox would be going by that time. Yeah, well, I mean, you got to. But that's what I'm saying. They would have to have to move off one of them. That's what Joe is saying.

They're going to have. And you can't have four. The max you could have is three. And then when you have three, because I think OKC's going to lose Wallace. Wallace is going to want big bucks. Somebody going to pay Wallace big bucks. A guy that can shoot a three, a guy that can defend like that, Joe. I think they're probably going to lose Dork versus that.

I think they're going to try to keep Wallace on. How are you going to keep it? Joe, he's going to want $25 million a year. Man, if I'm OKC, it's going to be hard to let Wallace go, bro. How do you got a choice, Joe? You remember now, you still got those three first round picks that you need to do something. with you have to let them go you have to trade oh yeah you got one and you got

Caruso on big bucks and no whammy and you got a heart what you're going to do you'll let heart and stay out of you hey listen at some point man you go some of them got I think the most disheartening thing with okay C is that they were hamper

with injuries throughout this whole post season so you never really got to see what they were like at full stream so I don't count them out I still think you know they got a chance if they're healthy if J. Dub can stay healthy, but damn, to lose Wallace and Doort,

those are your blue-collar hardworking guys, bro. If you lose them too hell, damn. Well, you're going to lose Dort. You're not going to pay Doort. I think you're not going to be looking for 20-something million. You're not paying him that there. And Wallace is going to be a wanting 20, 25 million. I don't see them paying

him that there, especially when you got Caruso on the number that you got him on. I see you, bro. I see you. I think, I think when you look at, at it. If I'm Cason Wallace, you know, because man, it ain't always, it ain't always a given

that when you go to another team, bro, that you're going to shine like you think you are. You know what I mean? Like, would they pay me my money? Would they pay me that $2,000? Would they pay me that $5,000? Okay, that's what it. Yeah, it looks good to me. Hey, hey, because I know a guy named Joe Johnson

and say, hey, man, you know, hey, Phoenix. No bad this. No bad just was over here because there's something over there. I don't know if we're going to win in Atlanta like we do it in Phoenix. But I came up with a single-payer home. I didn't go to get that. I knew we weren't going to win like that. But see, here's the thing.

When you are unrestricted, when you're restricted free agent, it's like they'll tell all the teams, oh, man, y'all might not want to pay Joe because we're going to match anything that y'all going to give them. So that's to scare off. That's to scare the other teams off so they can come in and lowball you.

You know what I mean? Yeah. So it's times where you do. Like me, during my negotiation period, I had to get on the phone. Me and my agent aren't telling me. We're on the phone with Rob or Solva. And I had to tell him, hey, look, bro, don't match, bro.

Just let me go, bro. You know what I mean? So, Joe, what, where is this new at, Joe? Don't you tell that girl, he ain't going to do what I do for you? We do that all the time. Oh, hey? Oh, you think that man going to take you on trips? You think he's going to buy you flower and buy these nice-ass-ass-ass person like me?

So, listen. Listen, I'm going to be honest with you. I didn't really want to have to do it. My agent was like, man, you're going to have to get on the phone with him and tell him not to match because they're scaring teams off. You feel what I'm saying? So in Jason Wallace situation, we don't really know what he really thinking. Do guys want to get paid? Yes.

But I think situation matters too. You know what I mean? To some degree. Joe, let me ask you a question. Had you won a ring already in Phoenix, it'd have been a no brain or wouldn't it? You wouldn't even thought twice because you already had a championship. how many more championships I need, is that going to change the way people look at me?

Kason Wallace says if I win two championships in OKC, are people looking at me like they look at Jake? Are there people looking at me if they look at Jalen Brunson, if I get to? Absolutely not. Let me go ahead and take this one and go get to three. Yeah, I understand what you're saying. And I respect that too.

But I think the chemistry and continuity that some of these guys have with each other and these teams, bro, I think some of these guys, you know, they don't necessarily, want to leave Uncle Ocho, but if the money is too, it's too good, hey, I mean, you ain't got no choice. Joe, they're going to pay that man 25. Oh, look at what Caruso make.

I think Caruso make damn the $30 million a year. They're going to give him a comparable. Somebody going to give him five years, $125, $150, Joe. Okay, C, got to make some changes now. They got to make some changes. Yeah. Oh, Caruso make $19. So if Caruso make $19.

So if Caruso, when he did, he just redid that deal. that, right? Four years 81. What is Wallace going to get? Wallace is younger. You get by the Hyundai. Yes, sir. So you're going to have two guys coming off the bench making a damn near a hundred million, your hard job.

That's going to be tough, man. That's going to be tough. But hey, look, when you look at it in San Antonio's situation, you know, you can afford to, you know, pay Foxx these these next couple years. Hopefully, when the title out of it. And you have a situation.

I'll see you got a situation to where you're like, damn, we didn't want a title. So we can't let Harper get out of here, got to pay Castle. Hell, when are we going to break the bank? You're going to be a team full of G-leaguers. Yeah. Yeah. But it's a blessing and a curse because you're like, okay, the guys that we drafted, they're really, really good and they're paying off.

But guess what? We got to pay them in order to keep them. And that's what OKC, OK, he's like, hey, when they're just, trade for trade, they knock it out of the part with J-Dubb, they get Chet, they get Wallace, they make great trades, and they get Hardinstein, and they get a Caruso, you get Isaiah Joe, you get all those guys, you're like, well, damn, well, we don't. I want to call you, play Bennett, call you, say, hey, bro, look at this. This was going out. Then what's coming in. Now, either you find another way to make some more come in,

or guess what's going to go out? Yeah, and when you're going to. And when you, look at it, it's just like football. Okay, Ocho, the quarterback when he on their rookie, when he on their rookie contract, you got to maximize. You got to maximize. You got to pay them guys around them, and hopefully, and he can get you that.

Same thing with San Antonio, you got Wimby and Harp on these rookie deals, and you ain't got to pay them right now, so you got to try to maximize what you can get from, or put the right pieces around them so you can try and win a title. Because when you have to start paying these dudes, then you start to get

different, bro. Because Castle by the Castle about to get on a castle about to get on a Yeah After that he's going to get, boy, he's going to get by 250 Yeah Yeah, he'll get by Wimby going to get by 3.50. By 3-100, that would get Wemble to get by 320. And then Harper coming behind him, so that's going to 10% increase, so that'll be about 3.30.

Oh, Harper going to make more than Wimby? If he, no, Wimby, Because Wembe has been an all-N-B-A selection and a D-P-O-Y. You need to get one of those titles. You need to be an all-N-B-A or you need to be an all-Defensive player. Now you get to be into that supermax. Jalen Duren, remember he made third-team all-N-B-A. So now he's eligible for he's super-macks.

Now, without that, he's probably 250. With that, now you're talking to $2.93-10. Woo. Hey, boy. Hey, it's good, boy. Hey, when it's good, it's good. You hear me? But here's the thing, though.

How long? Because they say Harper's in his camp. Now, hey, this is what's being reported. Of all the things they could have put out there, he's saying he's going to want to, and they're reporting that he's going to want to spot and that starting line up. Yeah.

That's what's being reported. Go, hey, hey, hey. What are the report is coming from? You already know. Inside the house. You already know it. Hey, hey. Inside the house.

Hold on. Even with them report, Joe, Uncle just said, what did the disparage say? We are committed to keeping who? Okay. And the first, and guess what? You keep putting your foot down? These guys leave your ass. It ain't like it used to be Joe before, like the problem, that group before you got there.

These players are loyal. These players are not loyal to these teams now. They'll leave your ass in a minute. They'll take that four-year deal. And in three years, they're back. able to sign a five-year deal. So you keep on A. And that's what makes it so tough to coach in the days time.

You've got to handle these guys with kit gloves. You actually think they're holding the hope down or something. Because if you don't, Hey, and think about it. For San Antonio, here are two key guys on their team for SIP and Champini. Yeah. You want to keep them guys, okay, Ocho, but it's going to be hard to keep them. hard.

It's hard. Because for sales, the three and D guy. You know what? That's a good problem to have, though. It's a good problem to have early. But see, the thing is, you still get a chance to run it back next year and not have to worry about all that. So, you know, hopefully they can get back to the promise land

and have different results. But it's tough, man. You know, you have to maximize when you got great players on them rookie contracts, bro. You got to do whatever you can to, maximize that and put great pieces around those guys. And I think Senate. That's why it was imperative.

You look at what Kansas City did with the homeboy. Yeah. Oh, Cho. Think about it. They got a couple of years when he's on that rookie contract. And so now I can put, I can go out and get a Sammy Watkins. I can go out and get pieces in and round it.

Yes. Because next year, that thing, that salary kicks in. It's going to be $64 million a year for the next four years. But you know what they're going to do. They're going to play games in Maniq. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He got $2.38 guaranteed. Damn.

He already made by two-sum. He done made two. Hey, Joe Bixon. Oh, yeah. And he worked it, though. He worked. He worked. Absolutely, weren't me.

They keep advancing the ball. They're going to have to do something, but they're going to have to do something with a, what do you call them? Who that? With this spot. This, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, bears watching. Boussel offered some information that

he didn't have to. That's what led the cat out of the bag, you know. But he said that there are different points in time this season he was upset with the role that he was given. He didn't have to say that. But we know that even if he didn't say it. Yes.

Yes. Right. But most of the time you don't hear players voice their displeasure about the role that they're doing. Right. And so now he's like, hold on. I can make a throughout the five games, I was the second best player. And there were some nights I was the best player on the Spurs. And I'm coming out the bench and guys are gagging left and right.

And I'm still sitting on the bench and guys are still playing more best than me. Hey, when you think about it, if I'm Harper, I don't want the James Harden effect. Meaning like, you know, when James in O.KC, yeah, he was a hell of a player, but he came off the bench his entire 10 year in OKC. And obviously when he went to Houston, he turned into somebody who probably nobody even seen. You know what I mean? I think Harper has the exact same type of talent, bro. Hold on, whoa, whoa, Joe, hold on, Joe.

Now let's understand how great James Hardin was at his apex when he was in Houston. Are you saying Harper had that same potential to do the same thing if you go to the other team? I think he got that same type of potential, Ojo. Yeah. Okay. Okay. But you have to understand the O'Jocon. he wasn't allowed to play like that in the KC.

He went to Houston where he was the dog. And so they gave him the ball and you got an opportunity to see what he can do as the lead dog and he could get as many shots as he want. And they had guys around him that would defend and rebound and get into the ball. I mean, for Joe to say he sees similarities and thinking that he can do that if he wasn't on the Spurs.

Ocho, Ocho, you put Dillon Harper in their role, Cooper flag got in Dallas to where he Oh yeah, for sure, for sure. Yeah, that boy's going to put up at least a dub a night, 22, 23 a night. As a rookie, I think, I just think he has that type of talent.

See, it's different when you go out there and play and you know you can shoot whenever versus, damn, I'll come out here. I feel like I got a, every shot I take, I feel like I got to make. It's got to be a fisher. There's got to be a fisher. There you go.

Right, right. I ain't got no time. If I turn it over once or twice, they take me out. You know what I mean? You ain't got to worry about this. Come see. Hey, come over here and sit by me. Just remember, Ocho, how it was with you when you didn't have to worry about if you made a mistake,

the coach is yelling and screaming or they're bringing you out for a play to say, hey, son, that ain't what we do. When you know I could just go play football. Yes. If I've made a mistake, I've made a mistake. If I dropped the past, I dropped the past. You were free, your mind free and you could just. Nothing like that, bro.

Nothing like that freedom. You know what I mean? Because now you can go out there and play kind of loosey-goosey versus when you on a star-studied team, a team with expectations of winning a title, and you're playing with arguably one of the best, not arguably, but one of the best players in the league, it's a little different, bro. It's a little different. Very, very different.

Also for Mike Wright's article, multiple NBA big men reportedly trying to find a way to play alongside Wemby. on the Spurs. San Antonio can use a backup stretch big as it reloads for next season. And the combo stretch big man who can start and possibly play alongside Rui in bigger matchups such as Rui Hachamori. The opportunity to play alongside Wemby, the franchise success, its culture, its collective youth, makes San Antonio a preferred destination and no tax in Texas, adding that multiple big men are already trying to get to South Texas.

Joe, do you like Wimby playing along? Excuse me. Do you like Rui playing alongside Wemby? If you got Rui, then that mean you got to move what, the sale of Champagne? You're going to move probably Champany, but he's a big guy.

He's a big guy. He can guard bigger guys. He can shoot the three. Rui don't want to go back to L.A.? Man, L.A. ain't going to have no money. If they look at potentially Kessler or do you hear rumblers about durring and all the reeds?

Hey, look, listen, I was very pleased with how Rui played in the postseason this year for the Lakers. I thought he was probably the most consistent play on the Lakers team being honest, you know, outside of Lerun. I think he was the most consistent. When he came to shooting at a high efficiency rate, you know, playing the right way, I think he'll fit right in with the Spurs, honestly. You know what I mean? but I think I think the spurs need a, they need a dog,

they need an animal coming off their bench to help Wimby too, Arcan Ocho, meaning, they definitely need a big that can give him some minutes on the beach. Because his thing is, the problem with Wimby had, Joe, is that we talked about it,

only playing 30, 32 minutes, and now we get to the postseason, it's harder, and I need you to play 36, 38, 40. Yeah, yeah. Now what? Yeah, I get that. I think even,

even if you look at Detroit situation, because I think they're going to really go with Paul Reed because of the way he played in the postseason, and you might get off a big steward, you know, a dog like that. Maybe he'd go over to San Antonio to help. Because you need that muscle, that intimidating factor. You know what I mean? I just don't think, yeah, I don't think San Antonio had that, bro.

The way they were whoop and wimby, ass out there. Like, you need somebody who can come in and throw some elbows, you know. No, you know, for real, Ocho put somebody on the ground a few times, bro. You need that. Set the tone a little bit. I definitely think that because Cornett did, look, Cornett was great in the regular season.

Cornet, Cornyn made one good play. He did that block on Hardinstein, and I think he was content with that. But in that series, that five-game series, Cornynette was. And he was awful the majority of the time against the Thunder. He did make that play. Kudos to that.

but more times than not, Cornett was... It was O'A. It was O'Lay when he came in the game before. Yep. It'd be interesting to see because, you know, the Nuggets got to do something with Aaron Gorn.

Now, Aaron Gorn is a phenomenal player. He's turned himself into a... He kicked the hamstrings, Joe. Every year, for the last couple of years, Joe, what we've seen? Hamstrings. Put him down significant periods of time. It happened into the playoffs

year before last. It happened again this year. He missed a large, chunk of the season with that hamstring. He got to the post season. He got Nick the game. That is concerning if I'm going to have to dump out $35, $40 million for a guy

over $3 million. And he a free agent? Right. I think he has one year left. He's going to want a deal. It's hard, though, if you're the nuggets to let him go. Obviously, I know he hadn't been healthy, but when he is... And you know who else got one year left and he's going to

want a deal? Who that? Big fella, yoke. Oh, shit. But he's up already? What we're talking about? Hey, get him a blank check. Yeah. What'd you want? That man, after having a triple double, bro.

Data gave him envy. Back to back years. Well, nobody had been mad if they had gave him MVP. Led the league and assists in the first time. The first time has ever been done. We've seen guys lead the league in assistant scoring. We've never seen a guy lead to league in rebounds in assist. I think the last time.

Hey, Joe, what does that look like, Joe? When? What you mean? What you mean? Oh, he's talking about his contract? Yeah, what you'll be by three. It's going to be about three something. Probably about three,

320, three quarter. Four year three, four year three something. It's going to be five. They're going to give him a five year there about three 40. He's going to probably, he's going to probably reset the market. 293 over four years, which is about a little over 70 a year.

That's the highest you can get. Yeah, four years. over 70. Yeah. Hey, what if, what if he was a That's about,

that's about 70, that's about 72 million a year. Yeah, damn. If he was to go somewhere else here, get mojo? No, because they can see the thing

is your team, because they have your rights, they can also do more than a new team. So that's how they're trying to stay in. It's the same thing with the franchise tag, Ocho. I can pay you more if you stay here

than if you go somewhere else. so the home team can add an extra year where the other team that you go into they can and and knowing Denver ain't no way in hell, Ocho they let that man get out of the door. They don't see him whenever. I mean, obviously not being that he's obviously the face of the franchise, but I was just curious for number why because, you know, if an NFL player get away from a get away from a team that he's on and you, you're the star, you're getting way more elsewhere as opposed to what they're going to be on. Yes.

that's what 73 2993 it'll be 70 7 like 72 735 a year 72 73 3 something like that 72 250 293 73 73 550 look at old as you're

calculate it over there it's 73 250 103 damn yeah yeah but this San Antonio only you'll think, Joe, you know how that can cause some problems. Because his agent said, hold on, we need numbers because we're going to want a max deal.

Because what y'all going to come to say when it comes to time to contract, you only average this. You only play this many minutes. You use everything you're saying. You're going to use that against me. You're not going to say, well, you know what, Dillon? You were a good soldier. You came off the bench. You didn't complain.

We're going to give you the max anyway. That's not what you're going to do. So what I'm not going to allow y'all to do is to go ahead hold me back. Yeah, and as great as he is, you know, being 20 years old, bro, he's only going to get better. I can't watcho. Happy Pride Months, Toronto.

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Get your ass up and down the court, and you're going to get the ball. So listen to Pointe, on the IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Isaiah Thomas questions why the league continues to push Wemby over Jalen Brunson as face of the NBA. That was the question I was asking in Detroit when we beat Bird, Magic, and Jordan, but they made Jordan the face of the league. Here in Detroit, they're saying, why can't I be the face of the league? Why is there anyone elevated when you see him three, four years in a row beating your face of the leagues?

When you ask that question, it's much deeper question in terms of, of who they want to be the face of the league. Who's the best? The small guy, we always have to take a step back because we realize it's small people, and that's a 6-6 and above category. Man, I then won't let that. Man, I'm going to call Zee.

Zee, you got to come on here and explain you. Hey, Zee, say, damn there. I'm the only one. I'm one of the only ones who has a winning record against Michael Jordan. I'm going to tell y'all how I really feel. Against Bird, against Magic, and Kareem. He's like, look, I beat Larry Bird.

I beat Maddie of Kareem. I beat Michael Jordan. I'm the only one that can say that. Nobody else can say they beat all three of them in their pride. Yeah, but Uncle Joe, listen to me. I think players and people need to understand. You beating certain individuals, you know, when you're playing, okay, it's a great thing, but it takes more than just beating people to be the face of a league.

What is it? What do you say? It's more true than just that. He said, I thought towards it about what? What is it about? I thought you said winning championships. Well, I beat those guys to win the championship. You know, that's not what it is.

I mean, I mean, you look at the upside that Wimby has, bro, being only 22 years old. I just, I can see why the NBA wants him to be the face. You know what I mean? Any global. Yeah. You know what? And you got a lot of players too, like, you know, Isaiah, was Isaiah quiet? Was it quite just seemed like a quiet person?

Man, Isaiah stated some stuff. He did. I mean, Azeel was fighting, man. Y'all better go pull them tapes and look at Azeel swinging on people left and right. Yeah, he just doesn't seem like that type of polarizing figure that could be the thing. Oh, he was there polarizing because Azeel was stated. Ocho, I ain't going to lie now. Hey, hey, the boy got here.

The boy had plenty of game now. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Listen, I know we could play. I know he could play, Joe, but it's a lot of people in the NBA that can play that just don't fit the criteria to be in the face of the league. Remember, we talk about Jason Taden being the face of the league. He just doesn't have that. It's a certain it factor.

I don't even know how to explain that. I don't even know how to put it in the words where it just doesn't fit because he didn't have that, that, you know what? Anthony Edwards. Now, I can see him being in the face of the league, but it's something he don't want. It's just something about him that's polarizing. Yeah. It fits him.

It's having that media savvy. When you talk to the media, how you captivate everybody, everybody just really listening and honing on what it is that you're saying. I think Amen has that. and he has that I don't give a damn you know what I mean? Like, Oxy, he come to the game and it slides with his wife beat on.

He ain't talking about that fashion stuff all y'all on, bro. That man just out. He comes to who? That's it. And remember, Isaiah was president of the union. So he's going back and forth.

We want this. We need that. And David's third party said, no, you know what? Because Isaiah won at every level. Isaiah won at 81 National Championship. Isle won. They beat North Carolina.

And North Carolina had a really good team, a really, really good team. But Isaiah team with him, I think Randy Whitman, Rolando Turner, they beat James Worthy, Jimmy Black, not Jimmy Black, Al Wood. That was the guy. Al Wood, I think Matt Dardy, and I think Sam Perkins was on that team. If I'm not mistaken, that was also the night they thought about canceling because

Ronald Reagan got a Saturday. John Hinckley almost took Reagan out. Don't quote me on that, but you can quote me, quote me. Quote me. I'm almost certain. That was 1981. Chad of my right, chat. Damn, that's a year I were born.

1981, John Hinkley, assassination attempt. And that was on that Monday and they almost canceled the game. They ended up playing that Monday night. And Rolando Turner, that offseason, he ended up getting the car accident and getting paralyzed. Ah, damn, the irony.

Yeah. I think that, I think that was, it was that the year? Oh, you ain't looking okay. But I think that was the year. So I, I remember Isaiah. It was March 30th of 1881. Who's on Isaiah's team?

Give me Isaiah line up. If I'm not mistaken, know Isaiah and Randy Whitman or Rolando Turner. I don't remember the other two guys. I know Al Wood, Jimmy Black, if I'm not mistaken, came off the bench for Carolina. James Worthy Perkins. Yeah, you're talking about when he was in Indiana?

Yes. Because Isaiah left. Isaiah turned pro. Mark Aguilar was the first, if I'm not mistaken, I think Mark Aguad was the first pick in that draft. Out of DePaul. Mark had some game too, boy. Yeah.

And when you think about it, you know, Isaiah Thomas was a little fiery. little, little, Leighton. What I say, Rolando, London Turner. Was a fiery,

little feisty, little joker, Ocho. I think he took, obviously coming from Chicago, you know, it's probably how he was raised, but playing under their damn

Bobby Knight. Bobby Knight. Bobby Knight is a legend, I can only imagine what that's like, bro. Yeah. But like I said, and then Azeel came in the league,

and, you know, it took him a while, to get over beat Boston. Right. Because it's like every year it was either Boston, it was, in the beginning, it was the Sixers and the Celtics. Every year with the Sixers and the Celtics,

Dr. J. Darrell Dawkins, Caldwell Jones, Bobby Jones, the Boston Strangler, Andrew Tony. He used to light him up so they gave the nickname the Boston Strangler. And then Isseldham came along. because it was like Lakers, it was like Lakers,

Lakers, Lakers, Rockets, Lakers, Lakers, Lakers, Lakers, Lakers, Lakers in the West. Because you got to realize, Magic went to the finals nine times in 12 years. Jesus. And so once they broke that stranglehole,

Isaiah and them broke that strangle hole with Boston, now Magic them had to deal with Detroit. And it was Detroit. They lost in 88 to MagicNem them. Then they came back and got Magic them in 89. And then Portland beat them. And then Portland got to the finals.

And then, Osir them beat them in 90. And then, oh, Lord, that guy out of Wilmington, 6'6, from Chapel Hill. And that was it. Yeah. Yeah. That was it. Good time. But like you said, Ocho,

Yeah, little guys. I mean, maybe you can make the case for a small guy. Maybe the closest we've had, or you say the place of the league, has been step current. But most of the time, it's a Jordan. It's a Kobe. It's a LeBron. Yeah. I don't know.

Could it be somebody a smaller Jalen Brunson? I'm sure it could be. But for the most part, if you go back and study, it hasn't been. Outside of probably AI, AI was so polarized. He changed. Yeah. Okay. I'll give you that.

He changed. But the problem was when Jordan came back, Jordan was the baseball again. You got to realize when AI came in the league, Jordan was in the league. That was 96. AI got a 96. And so Jordan, 96, 97, 98, they won the championship.

Wasn't nobody supplant Jordan. So maybe that period when Jordan left, 99, 2000, stuff like that. But then probably like 2000. Now, here's Kobe. Kobe. Yeah. Yeah. Josh Hart said tonight that the Knicks knew the Spurs were food

after seeing Wemby cry when they beat OKC. Wow. Hey, you can't show that kind of emotion. I think a few other basketball players say the job is not done. The job is not over. The task at hand, the ultimate goal is the winner, the winner championship. You know, that Larry O'Brien.

So to be crying because you're going to the final. I don't know if it was crying because they were. going to the final, I think he was crying because they beat O KC, knowing how tough and challenging it was, knowing that they were the champions from last year. I think that's why he was. And they got the MVP on the roster. Yeah, you go. Yeah.

And Wembe probably feels slighted that he didn't win MVP. Yeah. Yes. Right. He said he used that in motivation. Yeah. So those emotions came out. Yeah.

I understand. Oh, yeah, yeah. I mean, but at 22. Ocho, I mean, it's tough, bro. I mean, it's probably other cats who could have held them emotions in, but I just felt like they kind of took over. Like I heard them saying many press conferences, like he didn't really, he can't explain it, you know what I mean?

Like, it's just something he dreamed of, you know what I mean? And I think that's the, that's the great part about sports, bro. Because we all grew up, whether it's y'all catching touchdowns, whether it's me counting the shot clock down, the game winning shot. And then for you to actually be in that situation and actually come through, yeah, I think it's very emotional. I think it's very emotional.

Yeah. I got it. And then he 22. You don't know. I'm sure he understood that like, wow. Because, I mean, some people had them in the playing tournament. Some people had them, you know, fifth or sixth seed. And here they are the number two seed.

And they took down the reigning defending champ with the reigning, defending MVP on the roster. They did that. I don't hold nobody's emotions against them because everybody does it differently. And I think the thing is that when you try to put, obviously how you do certain things, you know, we all know how you do certain things,

how you talk about your teammates and how you carry on, that's very, very important. But everybody deals with success differently. Differently, yeah. And some people, you know, like, hey, Like, you know, some people, you know, cry like George. Yeah. When Jordan won and then he realized like, you know what, man.

And maybe it was because his father wasn't there to see him celebrate this. He was on father's day. And you see, and you see Kobe. Kobe got the trophy in his hand and he's just looking at it. And that was around the time that he and his mom them had stopped speaking. And all the things, all the thoughts that's going through his mind. Some people are like, man, please, this is a time of my life. I can't worry about who not here.

Right. Everybody had a little situation differently. Yeah. I mean, I mean, Uncle, when you look at it, Jordan won a championship on Father's Day. You know what I mean? I think that's why it was so emotional for him. And you just seen him break down, bawling crying. Hell, I probably would have been the same way.

I ain't going to lie to you. If I was that close to my pops, bro, and he got murdered. Man, I've been the same. We won on Father's Day? Come on, bro. Yes. I mean, death is really never easy. That's the thing that, I mean, you have to really respect and love about death

if there's anything because it doesn't discriminate. Nope. It takes young, it'll take old, it'll take rich, it'll take poor. It does not discriminate. Just know when you have that appointment, you can't reschedule it. And death, you know, there's no way to prepare. It's like, well, how do you prepare for it? We all know we're going to die.

It didn't make it any easier when it actually happens to your loved ones that you left behind. But it's the fashion in which Jordan father succumb. So sudden. Man, 85, 90 years old, man, he had a great life. Man, you can remember. But tragically, how somebody senselessly took that man's life. And you think I'm Michael Jordan. I'm supposed to be able to insulate stuff like that.

I should be able to insulate my family from that foolishness. There are some things I can't control cancer. I can't control kidney disease, liver disease, things like that. There are certain things, I don't care, they ain't get enough money. But there are certain things I feel like my money, my fame, I should be able to insulate that. Absolutely. Don't know.

And probably whoever did this, you know, I don't know if sure they even knew what it was. Right. Until probably they went to his wallet and took it. And they probably still didn't put two and two together. it was sad and I couldn't believe it I couldn't believe it because I don't I didn't really know anybody famous that father or mother had gotten like this so what are we looking at?

So what? Remember it came on the new father of Michael Jordan killed? What? First thing would you think a traffic accident? Not murdered. Man. Man. And because he looked just like his dad and how close they were.

Think about it. Every time Jordan was something, he was right there. Now all of a sudden I win. Three Pete, finish off a three Pete, hadn't been done 60, 67, Celtics. Hey, man. I think in certain situations, even when you look at Michael Jordan in 6'6, if you look at his parents, Uncle Ocho, hell, you probably could even go through his whole family tree.

He probably ain't got nobody over. six foot, six two, because you know what I mean? So I feel like, you know, in situations like that man, it's almost destined, bro, because the athleticism that his brother Larry had and MJ had, like his brother probably

was more athletic than him, but he was just a lot smaller. Yep. You know what I mean? Versus MJ getting 6'6, now he got this 45, I think they said even 50 inch vertical. I mean, man, come on, bro. And his desire to work ethic. And, and

And when you didn't took as many ass-whoops as he took from his brother coming up, kind of like, oh, kind of like, oh, you take all them ass-woopers, you'd be ready to do some of them out when you get them out. Hey, hey, let me get somebody. That's my size.

I can whip them. Yeah. And, you know, he told a story that, what do you say about basketball? The reason why he loved basketball so much is because it's loyal, because he knows what he gives the it'll give it back to him.

Yeah. Yeah. I just love to hear greats. Serena and Venus and Mike and Tom Brady. I love them because, you know, Ocho, we and I say how great this is and it's lonely and everything.

They don't want to hear from us. But we talk about the upper, this is the like the wealthy, like once you get the past like that 50 billion, there's only a certain level of, of people, well, when you get to that Jordan and Serena and Tiger and Jordan level, Tom Brady, Tigerwood, there's only a certain level of people that have ever reached that agenda and to hear them

talk about what it takes and the selfishness that is involved. Yeah. Then you get an appreciation. Yes. Just a little bit of success that I had. I knew what it took, but nearly as great as those that never professed. to be. But I knew in order it is lonely and it is

very mundane. And unless, and who can join, what's the female equivalent of Jordan marrying someone that would actually know what he's going through? Hey. Serena, she's 60. And she's a 23-time

grand slam champ. She would know. That's why movie stars normally marry other movie stars, because they know what it's like to live that life. They know what it's like to jump in and out of character. Yeah. You see?

Hey. And the one percent of the one percenters are the one percenters. Yes. They're the zero point. Whatever that point is like 99.9. They're that zero zero zero zero zero zero zero zero zero like 55 zero one. Yeah. That's where they are.

What was that? You know what's funny? The numbers you just said, you know, there's a, there's another level above them too. Yeah. What's another level of them, Ojo? Yeah. What, the elites? God.

When you talk, when you talk Jordan and Serena and Tiger Woods? Jack, Jack, Nicholas. God. Yeah. You start looking at the Stephanie Graf's and thing like that, man. I mean, yeah, it's crazy.

I mean, the, think about me the work that, I mean, and everybody hear about George's work ethic. how legendary it was. You hear about Kobe. You hear about Serena and all the balls that they hit and their dad teaching them. He watching BCR tapes and teaching them how to swing and how to hit the backhand.

And you hear about all the work ethic. And you hear about LeBron getting to the gym five hours early and getting up the workout in and getting shots up. And to do that. And you think about this. You do all of that with no guarantee you ever going to reach the level that you think you are. You do it on a hope that this is going to pay off.

And I tell people all the time, hard work doesn't guarantee you anything, but without it you got no chance. At all. Mm. You see, I read a quote a couple of days ago, guys. They said two people that are smart can never fall in love. One of them has to be an idiot to fall in love. Hmm.

See, the fall in love, see, the fall in love with a sport, or to fall in love with something that you cannot control. Right. You got to be an idiot. Damn. Hold on. I'm done, that's it.

That's it. That's it. That's it. Thank you were joining us to that for another effort. Hey, hold on. Hey, uh, Hey,

that's a good one. Hold on. Let's write that down. You got to be. Because think about it, Joe, think about all the work that you put in with no guarantee. I go to work every day. What about guaranteed?

I'm going to get a salary at the end of the work pier. work week. You work from the time you was nine, ten years of age. Titus, get out. As a matter of fact, get out. Hey, hey. You worked from the time you was nine or ten years old, so you worked 12 years with no pay.

Basketball didn't pay you a dime. Ocho, you worked from the time you was 10, 11 years old, and football never paid you a dime. You worked on a hope that everything that I put in this would pay off one day. Yes. There are many of people that put just as much time, just as much effort in it, and it didn't pay off.

Hold on, you got to bring me back to that question. Hey, hey, hey, hey, basically. Hey, Ocho. Too smart people can't fall in love, Ocho. One of them, if you fall in love, one of them have to be an idiot. You've got to be an idiot to fall in love.

Two small people can fall in love. Hey, hey. Hey, the moral of the story is, we are awesome damn idiots, okay? Yes. Yes. Yes. To fall in love with...

And Jordan said it. Go back and look at some of his quotes. He said, I fell in love with this because it's the only thing I know would love me back. I got to use that way. You do, it's more than an obsession. It's more than a commitment. It's a singular focus.

Because people say, well, plan A and plan B. What's your plan B? Well, if plan B was going with so probably, it would be playing A. I got no plan B. I got a plan A. That's a lot of, that's a lot of cats out here too.

Yeah. To fall in love, someone has to be an idiot. Too smart people can't fall in love, Ocho. One of them has to be an idiot. So that's, that's how it works.

That is, that's, that's, that's, that's the only way it can work. Fate. The Bible teaches us said you're supposed to have faith. Faith is the unknown, but believe it. You see, man says, show me, I'll trust you. God say, trust me, I'll show you.

You see the difference? Yeah. What man's, oh, I would trust, okay, blindly trust. Mm-mm. Uh-uh. I said, you put your faith in me. I'm still stuck on that first. I ain't heard that one before.

You know, I'm my, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I'm not, I do, I do, I do you go love that one. I like that. I like that before. Josh, oh, man. All right, Wemby, you let them see your weakness. You got to. Happy Pride Month, Toronto. Pride is an opportunity for you to create your own space to celebrate your existence.

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I'm confused. What do you think about? I don't think anybody surprised, I mean, one year versus all. opt him back in. He can get a five-year deal. I don't think he, well, he don't have bird right. So he just got there. So I don't know, can they, can they offer him a five-year deal or is it a four? That's what I'm not, I'm not sure.

I think, I think because he's been there, I think he should be able to get a five-year deal. I'm not sure. Hey, please explain to me. Say what you just said. He opted out of his play option. How much was his play option? 49 million. Like 49 million.

How do you opt out of 49 million? Because this one. year and i want to get in for four years at a 190 million or 200 million of five years for 250 he won't basically he won a new contract with multiple years yeah and just this one so yeah and and knowing that he's probably going to get it you know what i mean considering that this is last year so he had he had an option he opting out so he can restructure and do it and get him a whole new deal you know hey it's smart i think it's smart i think it's smart on his behalf considering the fact that they're going to have a number one pick, which is probably going to be AJ.

So you still got time before you have to pay AJ. And then you can kind of see how this works out. You got at least three years. Yeah, you got Trey, Anthony Davis, and AJ DeBosca. I don't know what people are talking about. I feel like Washington, with them three dudes alone, plus they got other guys, you know, they got some more talent over there in Washington. They can help.

But I can see them making a playoffs next year. Okay, Ojo, the Wizards. I can see it. have for you a nocho, are they going to keep Anthony Davis? Because I think Mortyne, he would probably have a high interest from a Golden State or somebody that has championship aspirations. I'm saying he ain't no free agent, though. No, no.

But could you, could you get draft capital or do you want to keep him with Tray Yuck? Obviously, he can pick and roll. Be unbelievable him and Trey. Obviously, he can pick and pop. Obviously, he can roll great lob threat. He either got a nice mid-range game, play outstanding defense. you're going to need that because trade is a little undersized he's at a disadvantage we understand that so the question is does he have more valuable to Washington or would he have more valuable to somewhere else where you can get draft capital for it now I think if I'm Washington I'm I got at least try it out for a year okay oh two I mean considering the fact that you got a nice big who you can play next to him what's the big they got over there us the big fella I think he would like number two in the draft oh Oh, Star?

You're talking about Star? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. You got him, and he made leaps and bounds last year. So I think he'll be even better going into his third season. But I just think, man, they got enough talent over there to where they can make some noise in the Eastern Conference. I don't really, hey, I don't want to see, I don't want to see these guys. Like, for instance, I don't want to see Janus in the Western Conference.

I don't. No? I really don't. No, I don't. Why not, Joe? Because the Western. is such a gaunt, Ocho. I mean, it's so, they stack and they,

not only are they top heavy, but the teams that's in the middle and at the bottom, they're gonna continue to get better. I just feel like it's gonna be such a dog fight over there and kind of like how Minnesota and San Antonio and OKC, how they beat, they beat each other up to the finals. Like, I just feel like if he stay in the Eastern Conference,

you have a better chance, that's just me. I feel like you got a better chance of making it to the final. The East ain't, it ain't really top. If it's got a few good teams, obviously the Knicks, you know, you want to Boston to be good, especially if they get Janus. And then you send J.B. to Atlanta,

we're going to be probably third best team in the Eastern Conference, baby. Alex Sar, that's the name, Alex Sar. He's a freshman. Yeah, Alex Sar. They got some talent. Washington got some talent, man, I'm telling you. Okay.

So it's good, look, the question is, How many more years does AD have on his contract? Because he's probably going to be looking for a new deal, Ocho and ISO. Well, he's going to have to, he got to show or something. I mean, can he come in, can he come in the camp in shape? Yeah, I can come in shape. But I feel more comfortable coming in shape with a new three, four year deal.

Hey, hold on. Hey, Joe, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on, hold on. The best availability is availability. young bull hurt every year. What we talk about, he'll be happy with a new three, four year. Can we stay healthy for a season? Can you give us 70 games?

You ain't got to give us 82. Can you give us 70? That's what I'm saying, no, Joe. But you heard the reports, though. He's not happy being there. Y'all've heard the reports. I ain't breaking no news to anybody. But he don't even know, though.

I do know in D.C. I don't want to be in D.C. They haven't one of the things since what, 78, 79? You got a good team. They got a decent team around. You feel better. I feel better in Golden State. How about this? We get, hey, we get y'all our first round picking Jimmy Butler. Y'all give us AD. Man, ain't that Jimmy Butler got an ACL.

I'm just telling me what we're willing to do, oh, uh, ISO. No, no, no, no, no, no, we ain't, we ain't going. We ain't going. Because look, if you're going to pay trade, man, you can't have that man out there trying to figure it out by itself. He needs some veteran help over there too. And you got some veteran. Jimmy coming off ACL. He don't care.

He don't care. He won't see what I won't. He won't all in the team. He won't Brun and 80 and all them the team up in and go to the state. But the reports look like LeBron is going back to LA. Oh yeah? I don't know. Hold on how they're going to do that?

How they're going to pay Reeves and play Brown? Don't start me to lie. Don't start to lie. Matter of fact, how they're going to pay Braun a respectable number that is willing to play on and pay off the Reed? Or is Austin Reed going to take a pay cut just to keep the band together. I don't see Austin Reeves taking no pay cut. Me neither. He turned out an extension this past off season to get to this point.

Hey, Brunson took a pay cut. Every year he's averaged more points than the previous year. He's not going to take what they got to do. And he knows there are other teams. not that it wasn't given before your max extension. Brunson took a pay cut. What they got to do with me? If I'm a.

I'm like, what they got to do with me? Are you trying to win or not? Man, I'm trying to get this money on. Hey, you're talking about, am I trying to win? I'm trying to secure the bag. What'd you mean? But see, here's the thing. The problem that you have with that is that you got to,

agents are going to tell the clients, no, because what you do is that you suppress the market. Remember how many people, Tom Brady, with another one because what happened in New England. If Tom Brady only making 10 million, I'm a 10 time all pro. How can I pay you more than Tom Brady?

quarterback looking robes. Look, look, look what Tom is getting. How are we going to pay you more than that? He's the best quarterback in the game. So this is why baseball players and a lot of time basketball players, you get an isolated incident like Jalen Brunson. But most of the times, they won't let you do it because they want that thing to keep climbing.

Keep climbing. And the only way you can keep it climbing, is you don't give guys a discount. The same reason, the TV contracts, CBS lost their deal because there's like, you know what, we want to pay you a little less money. And Jared Jones said, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, uh-uh. We understand y'all been in this thing for 50 years.

But you know what? There's that new network and they only got the Simpson and living color and news. They're willing to give us X. That's Fox. And what happened? So they don't cut it. Now, they might cut you a little discount

If you go in, they still got, what, three plus, they got 26, 27, 28, 29, 30. They still got five years on the deal. They say, you know what? You know, give us a little bump in pain. You don't make it right. You don't flip that thing. You don't flip it. Add a little five years to it.

We might shut you off. Yeah. Cut your little 200 million a year off. Yeah. Probably not because guess what? Netflix right there in the cut. They were rubbing the hand like bird made. They waited.

That was all. So what are you going to do? Well, I mean, if you like somebody, some major network is going to lose their TV rights because they don't have Netflix money. They don't have Amazon money. NFL might be hesitant to give Amazon Thursday night package, but for the right price. Anything as possible.

But I know Netflix coming. Netflix is coming. Oh yeah. Oh, yeah. One thing about it, Joe. Boy, everything for sale, boy. I don't know what it is. Everything got a price tag, now.

Hey, anything can be bought, can damn show be sold. Did they buy the NFL team where their damn show sell them rights to the highest builder? Come on, now. Yep. Yep. And Netflix probably looking to get into live sports and all that. You can become a for real network. You got to have live events.

Why do you think they pay the- Anthony and Joshua were Jake Paul, Jake Paul and Mike Tyson, Why you think they keep having these live events. They understand it? The movies are great. Tate events are great. They do great job with movies and documentaries and all that. Unbelievable.

But live events is where it's at. Oh, yeah. And they understand that. The same thing with Paramount, what did they do? They got the UFC. Yep. I'm just saying. Yeah.

It's going to happen. Oh, yeah. It's going to happen. You got lock in, twin. I'm ready. I'm going to be ready when it do happens. It's that time to put on your jersey and wave your flag, whoever you root for. Why do I watch the walk up?

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