Nightcap - Best of NFL News Part 1: Cowboys DONE with Trevon Diggs but are Browns done with Kevin Stefanski?

Episode Date: January 3, 2026

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson bring you the best of NFL from week 18! They react to the Cowboys releasing Trevon Diggs and discuss whether he can still make an impact or if it was just a favor for his friend Micah Parsons. Plus, the duo dive into coaches on the hot seat and more! Subscribe to Nightcap presented by PrizePicks so you don’t miss out on any new drops! Download the PrizePicks app today and use code SHANNON to get $50 in lineups after you play your first $5 lineup! Visit https://prizepicks.onelink.me/LME0/NI... 0:00 - Kevin Stefanski's future with Browns25:35 - Packers claim Trevon Diggs55:52 - Aaron Glenn already on hot seat? (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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as the Browns head coach. As you can imagine, my soul focuses on the game versus Cincinnati, but I would also tell you I'm privileged to have this job. This season, the Browns are four and 12, their fourth losing season under Stefansky, but he is a two-time coach in the year. Browns owner Jimmy Haslam called Watson Trade a big swing and miss at the league annual meeting in March.

He later said at the beginning of training cap that he wanted to give Stephansky and Barry, time to rebuild the foundation of the roster after giving up so many assets for Watson when Stefansky was asked if there was been any discussion or any indication from ownership on how it will move forward after the season

Stephansky said, I understand the question, but I've never get into those type of discussions. Oh, Cho? Oh, so they give him time, huh? We can say a lot. Let me sit down like this. We can say a lot about Jimmy Hasman.

He's meddlesome. But you got to give him kudos. He swung for the fences with Deshaun. He gave up a king's ransom because we had never seen a quarterback this young, this healthy, become available. Now, after it happened, things started coming out. Okay. But let's just talk about the player on the field. We had never ever in the history of the NFL seen a player so accomplished, so proven, become available.

that had no injury history. I mean, not that season. Like Drew Brees was available, he almost tore his shoulder up the bone. Peyton Manning had nerve damage. Tom Brady was in year, what, year 20? So we're talking about a guy that's in year four, 26 years of age,

and he's available. What says Ocho? The fact that Mr. Haslam is willing to give, maybe because he's a two, time coach of the year. You got to update your resume every year. You got to update your resume every year. You know, I know.

So why are we willing to fire, make speculations about Harbaugh, fire, make speculations about Mike Tomlin, when Safansky should be in the same boat. You should be ready to clean house and start over. You should be. Because you're going to be right back in the same

situation next year, in the year after that, in the year after that. He showed you what he can do. He's done as much as he can do. And if I'm not mistaken, like you just said, the last four season for the Browns have been losing seasons. With this one, ending in 4 and 13, because they're not beating the Bengals next week.

And they got beat the Bengals, what do you do? What did that beat the Bengals? What do you do? I'm going to the last game. Or you don't have a last time you went to the game. They won. We lost that game. Why, you know, but the butter was clad in the way.

You're right. You're right. You right. Yeah, yeah. But, yeah. But, no, the last game you went to, you went to the, the dolphins. You went to the guppies. Yeah.

matter of fact, they took Joe out the game. to the Browns. Like, I'm going to go to the last game as good luck, as good luck. And, you know, we're going to handle business. I don't, Mike, Miles Garrett, he's not, he's not getting that sack record on us. He's not. He's not going to be, he's not going to make history on us. That's not happening.

Our officer line, we got too much pride. We ain't going out like that. And we're not going to double team him. And we're not chipping shit. I bet y'all double team it. You want to bet something? I guarantee you we don't. Well, Lelo Brown for the luck, Miles Garrett up, man.

Stop playing. We good. Okay. We good. I think the sale, Ocho, you need a quarterback. So you might as well just clean out everything. Fung sway. Everything.

Everything must go. Damn, yard sale up. That's what it. See, what the thing is, Ocho. That's what to see. We used to call them a rummage sale, because people would come and rummage sale. stuff, yeah.

But see, that was derogatory. So we wanted to dress it up. We said an estate sale. That ain't no damn mistake. That's a trailer house. That's a rummage sale. That ain't about some damn mistake. That ain't those 20,000 square foot mansion

and people got really nice dish that they're sitting out there. If it's anything other than Miles Garrett and fanning. It's off limits. Oh, Denzel Ward is off limits too, huh? Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. But you know, I'm saying they're like, three like fanning, Miles Garrett,

and Dips Hill War. You ain't touching. Anything else you can make me an offer. Damn, that's crazy. Because I think if you, if you bring it in, it's hard for me to see a scenario, Ocho. And I think Sjouer has shown flashes,

but it's just hard for me to see they're not going to get another quarterback. And if you're going to get another quarterback, Ocho, I mean, you don't let's the Fansky coach a Baker, You know, let him coach Deshaun, you let him coach Flacco, you let him coach Gabriel and Shador. I think it's time to turn it over somebody else. As a matter of fact, you can get even more. Even though you say these off limits, imagine what you can get if you were able to get Miles Garrick on or let him get him out of there.

Because you're not going to be any closer to winning anything with him than you are without him. I agree. But here's the thing. Do you trust them picking? I, Ocho, it don't do no good. That's like somebody having, we talked about this, Ocho, somebody having $100 million but got bad habits. How soon is that money going to be gone?

Are you trusting them to pick? Even though if you got two, three first-round draft picks, a couple of second rounders, are you trusting them to pick the right guy? And that's the hard part. You can pick the right guy, right? It's based off what you see on film, it's up to that guy that's up to that guy to paying out.

is up to them to develop those players coming in as rookies. Maybe the Browns have a development problem. Maybe that's an issue. Maybe. A development problem because you're picking them high for a reason. There should be no reason that a player looks one way in college and you watch him on film and say, you know what, this player can help us.

He can make us better. And all of a sudden they make it to the league. They make it to your team and it don't work out. Huh? The problem is at home. Because Baker Mayfield went one. And ever since he got where he belonged in the right situation, surrounded by the right supporting cast,

he'd been playing well. Yeah. So that's, that's, you know, Jimmy said that he wants to give Stafansky and he wants to give Andrew Barry a second chance, and, you know, a chance to rebuild his roster after so much they gave up. And they did.

They gave up a King's Ransom. It made the Texans into what they are. Well, actually, Lovie Smith did that by winning that ball game. Well, you know what? If he's going to give Stefansky a chance to rebuild after giving away a King's Ransom to get Deshawn,

that would take another three years. That would take another three years. Because, oh, Cho, it wasn't, that they had all those pick to Texans is that they nailed them. Perfectly. They used those picks to get a C.J. Straub. They used that pick to trade back up

and to get a C.J. Anderson. They got a Nico Collins. Will. Will Anderson, my bad. Who did I say? He said, C.J. C.J. Stryl, Will Anderson, Jr. and Nico Collins. So when you hit on those picks, the question is,

the Browns, I mean, you got to get a quarterback. If you, if, and I believe, look, I think Shadoor has done some great things, but I do not believe the Browns are satisfied.

I believe the Browns are going to try to go into the draft and get a quarterback if they can't find one in free agency. Well, they can go into the draft and the cycle going to continue to repeat itself. I mean, that's not a knock on, on the players coming into the draft.

Let's knock on the Browns itself. and being able to develop players. But you didn't have been through 237,000 quarterbacks and none of paying down. True. But when you think about it, Ocho, look at what Chicago did.

Look at what they got. They parlayed that. They say, you know what? Hey, Carolina, y'all want the number one pick? Give us y'all number one pick next year. Oh, that's Caleb Williams. Now, we need to put some pieces around the quarterback. Let's make a trade for DJ.

I tell you what, give us your first ride. Hey, give us that pick. And by the way, we want DJ more. Let's start with that. So now, hmm, let's go get a Roman dunes there. Let's go Luther Burke, the third. Let's draft Colston Lublin. And you know what?

We got it. Our quarterback getting hit too much. Dolman, Joe Thuny, Jackson, step right up. Tadda. You got Bill. You look at what they did in Detroit.

Armand Rosset Brown. James. Jack Campbell. They, Hawkinson, they trade Hawkinson, get Leporteur. Jamir Give. They bring in David Montgomery

via free agency. Terran Arnold, boy, he's two hands. He's got to do better. He got to do better. He got to do better with his hands. He got to do better with his hands. So it's going to be, it's going to be interesting to see what the Browns do. That's going to be the storyline.

I think, I think Andy's going to stay with their situation. So Daniel Jones is not going to be available. I'm trying to thank Willis, Malik. Malie Willis is going to be available. Is he, look, what he's been able to do in Green Bay is phenomenal. Yeah, it's phenomenal, but you've got to be careful. You got to be careful. Because what he did in Green Bay was phenomenal because of what he has around him.

True. So if he goes somewhere else based on what you saw him do in Green Bay, if you're bringing him into your organization, do you have those same? type of pieces. Do you have that same important cast? I agree. All that comes into play, which for some reason, scouts and and GMs and those who make the calls,

they ignore that. Yeah. Because do you look at, look at what they gave, look at what they gave Caleb Williams. Bryce Young, they took McMillan, they get Ligette, Jimmy Horn,

they tried to bring it Adam feeling that they ended up moving on. They brought Rico Doudel to be able to run the football. You got, you, Chuba Huffer, you've got to get a guy weapons. So if you don't have any weapons, why are you bringing Malik Willisian? Or if you, you can bring him in, but are you going to bring weapons with him? Are you going to go into free agencies like, hey, wide receiver, draft a couple of wide receivers.

Because we had the gentleman on last night, Jaila Noah. He's like, man, hey, when they took Hutchinson, I like, hey, they took me out of the board. Because now they got Hutchinson and. and they got Nico? Why didn't he need me for? And if I'm not mistaken, they got Christian Kurt because Tank Dale was injured. Now, maybe he comes back next year.

We'll be interesting to see because that was a gruesome injury that he suffered. Took Higgins, I meant to say Higgins. But they got a Hutchinson too, right? Yeah, they're definitely here. Okay, okay. Well, he's part of thinking, hold on.

They drafted receiving Hutchinson. They got a Nico Collins, who's a pro bowl player. They just took my ex-teamate and Higgins. What the hell they need? need deeper and they got Christian Kirk. You can never have enough weapons. The last thing you want to do is run out.

And having them weapons is very important knowing how to use them too. Knowing how to use them. Hey. But even if you know how to use them, if you ain't got the right weapons, it don't matter. That too. Man, y'all need to stop. Y'all just trying to start something. But it's anyway.

Oh, you giving up on Shador. Oh. Let me ask you guys right now any amount of money you bet any amount of money that you do bet would you willing to bet that the Browns do not take

another quarterback either in free agency or the draft yes or no how much money are you willing to bet to say no they don't or y'all just want to talk ish that's what I thought

they're not a whole lot of quarterbacks unless you're proven or they're going in the drive to get one or they're going to get one of the free agency. Unless you're one of these top 10 quarterbacks, you are Dak Prescott or you are Patrick Mahomes.

Joe Josh. Yeah, one of the ones. Herbert. So let me ask you a question. Do you think the Los Angeles, the Las Vegas Raiders, are they going to get a quarterback? Yes or no.

Arizona Cardinals, will they get a break a quarterback in or draft a quarterback? Yes or no. Sometimes like when you, Look, when you do an analyst job, sometimes you've got to take emotions out of it. You've got to take feelings out of it. Every January, we're encouraged to start over. But what if this year is about slowing down and learning how to understand ourselves more deeply?

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catches up. You break down the door. Sick. Now, like, hold the door for everyone. We created good luck with that because we want to share our experience of existing in an industry that wasn't always built for everyone. So listen to good luck with that on IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Hmm. Y'all just want to hold on the feeling, bro. I'm just telling you, I'm looking at it from a standpoint of an organization. I don't even trust the organization, especially not. Yeah. But people say,

Well, don't nobody care about the Raiders. How many people you think jumping up and down about the Browns? Do they care about the Browns or they care about Shador? Let's be real. I like that. So, there's no battle what I won't. I own the team. See, if Ocho and I own the team, we can put in and play whoever we wanted to.

Kind of like what Jerry does. We don't own a team. I hope y'all, y'all actually think Jimmy Haslow, Andrew Berry, and Kevin Staphas can actually listen to us on that. Yeah. Hey, our voice is loud, man. They listen. They might not do what we say. Oh, but they hear us.

Oh, they listen. I need, like I said, if I had a team, yeah. Did I get the pick and choose? Be realistic. Hey, you know there's power in the tongue, huh? What? There's power in the tongue. You want a team?

Bro, Ocho, the cheapest team is the Cincinnati Bengals. They'll value that $5.5 million. So 10% of that is. It's $500 million. Where the hell are we coming? There's a reason why you don't see no minority. Hey, you don't know what God has plan for us. Well, I hope he revealed it to me real soon.

Hey, it's always on his time. It's one thing. Ocho, I ain't interested in that. I don't really care about that, Ocho. I don't care about owning no being no, it'll be great. Yeah, it'd be great. Man, you, man, you know Sharp. Man, you know Ocho and Sharp.

minority owners with the dolphins or the falcons or this or that. It's great to see Warwick done. He's a minority owner with the falcons. Great. Love it. My brother plays in his golf tournament every year.

Venus and Serena, a minority owner with the dolphins. It's great. Oh, Joe. Hey. You see, you remember? They was like, like, Eli wanted wanted to be a minority owner with the, what you call him?

A minority is 10% of less. A billion dollars. He said no. What, what, what, what player other than Michael Jordan can stand and say, go get a loan for a billion dollars? Man, I just think about that. A billion. That's what it takes 10% of the giants is a billion dollars. Who got that kind of money?

Shoot. Hey, I know somebody we can go to. You ever been to Senai Lua, Mexico? No. I got a home. And I don't plan on going to Senileoa. I'm just saying I got a couple of homie They got, they got a bit

Or Cali Columbia Yeah, you ask me Do I know anybody got a billion dollars Just sitting around? Yeah, I do. I don't know if they're giving to us. I don't want it. Yeah, I don't want it.

You're just throwing names out. Ain't nobody get no billion dollar loan. A billion dollars. Y'all understand a billion dollars. A billion would a be. Not a hundred million, a billion. Maybe people don't understand how much money that really is.

It's not. They don't. A, Beyonce in the billionaire club. But here's the thing. If you go get a loan for a billion dollars, how are you living? Mm. Because you got to be enough. That's all your assets.

That's not like Elon Musk worth $750 billion. Or Larry Ellison, or Bryn or Page. Bezos, Zuckerberg. I got a question, though. If Elon Musk is worth that much, right? You know how you have your bank account apps on your phone? If he was to open up one of his accounts, how much you think is sitting in there? How much do I think he got liquid?

Yeah, that's, yes. Maybe a billion dollars. Because what he does is that he borries against the stock that he has. If he don't pay, they just take the stock and sell it. Hey, it's a very complex game that they play, and they play it very well. Yeah. And, you know, that's what people do.

They bar it against what they have. Man, if you don't pay it back, they just take it and sell it. That's crazy. But, hell, I hope, uh, uh, Shador goes out there and throw for 400 on y'all. Oh, who? Or y'all. But, but that offensive line that he got, protecting him.

And this is Jordan battle DJ Turner. Maybe we not have Demetrius Knight. Did you see that left tackle? Can you imagine if the left tackle for the Browns and the right guard for the Ravens

was on the same team? He that bad? What? My thing is, I'm trying to figure out how he's been able to play in the league so long and be that bad. Yeah, he's terrible. Hey, you know left tackle is a very difficult

position, huh? Well, he should have played. He should play guard or center or right tackle or right guard. Ooh, that's, that's tough, man. It's a reason why the left tackle make the most money. Yes, it is. That blind side. So, no, but we're going to win the lottery.

We just going to keep playing the lottery. We're going to let AI chat, GPT, pick our numbers. We don't hit it. Because every time they have the lottery, Ocho, guess what? They got to miss the numbers we selected. All we got to do is be right. write one time. Every time they have a drawing, they got to miss the numbers

that we selected. We just got to be right once. It's going to happen. Oh, yeah, for sure. I'm trying to think, what could we, what can we buy for Joe? What can who buy? We, us. We're going to go buy up all type of real estate, so we can just sit back and relax.

Buy up a whole bunch of real estate. I got to make an endowment to Savannah State first. I'm making one. I'm making one to fam. I got to make an endowment Savannah State. We're about to go to the Division 2 playouts

because we'll get us a good old coach. We're going to get us somebody with a big name. Hey, I'm, ooh. What?

I'm just trying to think. We win that kind of money, that type of lump sum. 400 million, 500 million? We've already had money and touched money, just not money of that.

Yeah. Like, that's different. You know, I'm going, I'm going to go home and have all my family get together. We ain't been together since Granny Pass in 2011. That's one way to get them together without it being a funeral. And promise him something.

And get them country bums, nothing when they come. Joe, I know you heard this, you and Joe. Trayvon Diggs was released by the Cowboys and later picked up by the Packers. Brian Schottonheimer said the first time Trayvon Diggs approached him about wanting to stay in D.C. was after Dallas win against the commanders on Christmas. Schottenheimer added his protocol is, unless there's a family emergency,

all players fly to and from the game as a team. And the other players asked early in the week and were told that every January, we're encouraged to start over. But what if this year is about slowing down and learning how to understand ourselves more deeply? What if this year is about giving ourselves permission to feel what we've been holding and knowing that it's okay to ask for?

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and still having to prove your worth while the industry catches up. You break down the door, sick now like hold the door for everyone. We created good luck with that because we want to share our experience of existing in an industry that wasn't always built for everyone. So listen to good luck with that on iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Same thing. Schottenheimer emphasized it was not only the reason why the team chose to waive him, it was a multiple factors like performance and other elements,

said he truly wishes Diggs nothing but the best. Yeah. Hey, hey, hey, um, Hey, Joe, listen, I understand this. It's protocol. Their rules that you have to follow. There are standards that you set in place as a team that all players have to follow. But due to the circumstances, right,

um, stay with me real quick, You probably feel different about this. Due to the circumstances, as a coach, one player asking, is it okay if I stay behind the C family and do whatever it is, even if it's not a family emergency, knowing that our season is over, we're not going nowhere, Joe.

Joe, we ain't going nowhere. Hey, coach, I just want to stay your hand man real quick with the family. I'm going to be back the following day. I'm going to come back the following day, okay? I mean, I don't, I, me, obviously I'm on the outside looking in now. I don't see no problem with it, especially when, okay, it's not like we were paying for the next season. Okay, we have to, we have to prepare for the following week, which is the last game of the season. We ain't going to the playoffs.

Joe, we ain't going nowhere, Joe. Didn't that man tell you? So let me ask your question. Did he fly early in the week to go see his family or did he fly on the team plane? Talk to me. The man told you, we came as a team. We're leaving as a team. Everybody kept talking about what shot he went to Wyoming.

Shottie did not go to Wyoming from D.C. He flew his ass back to Dallas and then got on the plane and went to Wyoming. Yes, sir. You know what? Chad, excuse me, Ocho and Joe, I like to give context. Terrell Davis led to the A.F.C. in Russia in 1996, 97. He won the Super Bowl MVP in 97. He was a three-time first team all-pro, 2,000 yards won the MVP.

We were playing the Giants on a Saturday. He had an appearance for Sesame Street. Mike, can I stay? No, you're getting on the plane. We came as a team and leaving as a team. He flew all the way back to Denver only to get his ass, go to bed, get up the next morning,

and catch a plane back. Now, I told you, I've been telling you since we got on this thing, Ocho, and I'm not here to beat up Trayvon Digg, but what did I tell you? I kept telling us, that, Ocho, you never tolerate anything in a win. You wouldn't have a loss.

Yes, sir. I also told you production intolerant. Now, you, if he said there was a lot of other reasons. You mean to tell me this is the first year that Trayvon Diggs has blown off a treatment. He's been late to something. I guarantee you, I bet your door knob to a bucket of cow manure. And the door knob is diamond of 50-carid diamond, flawless, deep flawless, internally flawless, if you want to make it.

I guarantee you the season that he had 11 interceptions. He was the first team all pro. I bet you he was late to something. Yeah. You see what happened? They were tolerating behavior when they were winning that they couldn't stomach when they were losing. Yes, sir.

You see how to go, Joe? Now, I also told you, Ocho, he took chance. I say, you got to be careful because he's not a speed merchant. If you lose anything, you take those same risk. You're going to set yourself up for failure. Now, when he came back, see, you didn't notice this, Ocho. They played a cover. They promoted him, they promoted McConkey.

They ran him up the rail. He tried to play two to one. They threw the ball over his head. Yeah. See, I see everything. But I'm going to say nothing. Because I don't want people to think I'm beating up. I'm just trying to provide you context. I gave you another story, Shannon Sharp, 2002.

My grandmother's in the hospital. We play Tampa on a Saturday night. I go to Coach Billick. I say, Coach Billick, my grandmother's in the hospital. I want it to be okay that if I stay overnight and then go. I had already told him, but I just wanted to make sure. I said, Coach Billet, you remember, I talked to you earlier this week.

I said my grandmother's in the hospital. We're close by. If it's a problem, hey, I'll get back on the plane because I don't want, I don't want anything. He said, you know, hey, I'm glad you're reminding me. But hey, go take care of your grandmother. I stayed overnight, Sunday,

got up, flew to Savannah, stayed there, come back Tuesday. I was in meeting on Wednesday. Wednesday. He said, unless it's in a family emergency joke. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

a family emergency Mike Shanna had made T-D a Super Bowl MVP a league MVP a three-time first team all pro he had an appearance in New York oh Cho he's there do you know how long the flight is back to Denver

and then had to get got it and turn right back bad long ones yeah that's cold I'm just trying to explain something to you chat I'm not trying to beat up Trayvon Diggs but once the man told you

But I saw, I told, Joe, you weren't on this summer. I told Ocho, when Michael Parsons was laying on that table. What did I tell you, Ocho? Oh, he was gone. That was it. That was it. But, you know, Michael Parsons wanted, hey, at that point, Joe, Micah ain't there. At that point, body language was let you know, I'm done.

When Trayvon Diggs, obviously, another point on, you think about the situation where he chose not to get treatment on his knee in the office seat and he chose to do it away where he was rehabbing that and decided not to do it in Dallas at the facility so they can keep track and see how far you come along. That's that that might be part of where it all starts as far as this year it's concerned. I'm not trying later go ahead on Joe. Go ahead. Finish your point. But I'm just saying Joe I know now I'm thinking I'm thinking about what I get with the healthy trade bill digs. I understand what you do. Joe A. I say it all the time.

And I talk about the defensive backs in the NFL when it comes to them playing. Now, I like a healthy Trayvon Digg because 95% of the defensive backs in the NFL they play football, not to get beat. And you got 5% on and Joe, you got 5% that's out there to make a play.

And Trayvon Diz is in that 5%. I don't care what nobody's saying. He's in that 5%. I'm going to try to make a play. Sometimes you try to make that play, he gambles. I got to play, but you got to play within the scheme, Ocho. And, Ocho, Ocho, hey, I'm going to be late.

I need you to cover for me. I can't just be late and don't tell you can cover for me. Right. So he can't play a coverage without telling the safety. Hey, look, man, hey, get over the hop on top of this because I'm going to jump it. I'm going to jump. Yeah. Yeah.

Brian Schottenheimer is trying to change the culture. Hopefully Jerry's allowed him to do it because far too many times since Jimmy was gone, players could do something, circumvent the head coach Joe, and go to, go straight and go straight to Jerry. Hopefully Jerry now has a wall up that says, no, y'all deal with Shadi. Because you got to change the culture. Now, I don't know if this true,

but there was a guy talking about and I guess he's a day-to-day guy, I guess he's a beat rider or something. And he was saying that when they were doing team stretching, he said everybody would be in their groups and they'd be stretching, so forth and so on. He said, but Parsons and Diggs were off to the side doing their own thing.

He said it rubbed them the wrong way. Now, I don't know that's true. Maybe he got an ax to grind with Micah. Maybe he got an ax to grind with a Trayvon. I don't know. But as Shadi said, one of the reasons that we cut him was because we told him that he was not allowed to stay. And then there were a host of other reasons. So production and tolerance.

Ocho, let me ask you a question. Oh, to me. Had he stayed, Joe, had he stayed, but he had six picks, four past breakups, a forest fumble, are they cut him? No, absolutely not. Okay. Actually, hey, I got another question for you too. What's your?

Let me tell you something. Joe, I know that's your team, mom. Yeah, yes. You love your Dallas Cowboys. I understand that. But think about all the people, and in chat, think about all the people that have recently that have left the Dallas Cowboys,

tell me how they done once they departed. I'm just, stay, stay with me. Joe, I ain't trying to drive. I'm not talking about the Cowboys in general. I'm talking about the players. that have been able to define love and go on to greener, greener pastures. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Everyone it seemed to seem to produce.

And maybe for Trayvon Diggs, maybe it's great that he's going to a chance to see him. Not only going to a team, he's going to a team and had the chance to compete in the postseason for a change. He says he's healthy. Come on, now. The Cowboys for the longest time said that he wasn't. Jerry said that he wasn't healthy, healthy. Shottie says that he wasn't healthy. I don't, Ocho, you and I not there.

We don't see the man. He said he's healthy. I've got to take his word for it. Even though they say he's not, they are not in his body. Just like when people tell me, hey, you good. Bro, you don't know how bad, how bad this pain is. Don't tell me I'm good. Right, right.

Hell, I know, I know my pain level of the third of pain in which I can, in which I can handle. Again, chat, I don't mean to be the dead horse. It's called production and tolerance. And when production is up here, tolerance is up here. tolerance will never outweigh production. I don't give a damn who you are. You see it all the time. Well, how was he able to get it?

Because he makes the company money. He produces sacks, interception yards, touchdown. That's how. Hey, take your time now. Come on. As my coach in college told us, he said, I'm going to treat y'all all fair. Yeah.

But I ain't treating you the same. Right. Right. Hey, uh-unk. A, uh, and a little bit though, I'm, there's a way you got to do things, right? Yes. You have to learn. As a player, you have to learn to play the game within the game.

Yes. I kind of see, I see your side clear as day. I see your side clear as day. But I'm just understanding as the coach, I think because of all the issues that he's had with Trayvon in general, at the, with the team that we don't know about it. The rest of the stuff, why he didn't grant him that reason to stay back. I think, I think it would have been different.

It was someone else that may have asked. And you know what? I'm happy. I just want to see my family a little bit. It's okay if I stay back and do X, Y, Z. But the fact that they asked him to do things in the past and he chose not to be there, hell, no, we ain't going to let you stay.

You get on this flight. If you need to go wherever you need to go, you catch her and go all the way back. and go all the way back we'll be flying from and then we'll see you Wednesday morning. Hey, I agree with y'all saying. I think it was time for Trayvon

to get a change of senior. I'm with you on that, Ocho, but the grass ain't always green over there, bro. Oh, it's green, it's green. It's green and green Bay. No, hey, hey, what you always say every year, you've got to update your resume now. I got to update your resume.

You know, we don't know what next year going to oh cho no he not oh ch'all know he ain't the same player yeah but hey listen sometimes you're not the same player you go in the right situation the right environment you're able to flourish but i'm supposed to give you the same money even though you're not the same player i mean we mean we ain't going that far yet but here's the thing ohcho plus he didn't have any more guaranteed money so i got no more obligation i got i ain't got to pay you no more because guess what now even now the green bay picked them up they got to pay that four hundred and twenty two hundred thirty for that last game check.

I ain't got nothing to do with that. You know what? They're not really worried about that. I know what they know. They understand the piece that they are getting, and they're going to put the piece that they are getting based on what they see, what they've seen and what they're knowing he can do

and put him in position to be able to do the things that he's good at. And I like that for Young Bull. I mean, I wish it would have worked out because who doesn't want to play for Dallas, Joe and all? Who don't want to have that goddamn star on the helmet? But I think the situation and the relationship with the Cowboy and Trayvon Diggs is, It's going sour.

Yeah, it was headed that way. James Slater, my point was Joe and Ocho, Jane Slater, who's the insider who covers the Cowboys, and she's like Mary Kay Cabot. When Mary Kay Cabot speaks about the Cleveland Browns, you listen to her. When Jane Slater speaks about the Cowboys, you listen to her.

And she was like, he reached out to her, but she said, she can't recall where Jerry has ever find a player. for not showing on. I think she's been covering them for a decade, at least a decade. And she says she can't remember. So that should have been an indication

to Trayvon right. That was a warning, Ocho. Yeah. I don't really, if I'm going to a car if I'm crossing the railroad tracks, I don't really have to see the train if I see them arms go down in the red light flash. I don't even got to see it. I just know the train coming.

Oh, yes. Come on that. All the time that he's probably been. find I'll be all the time they've been done that Jerry probably forgave that because he had 11 picks he's the first team all pro he's going to pro bowl so once them arms come down I'm coming to a railroad track man what a trade that man I can beat it wrong that should have been an indication I believe Brian Schottonheimer is trying to change the culture there too too too many times guys have been doing whatever they want to do.

Now we're a team. That's one thing Mike preached. Nah, we're not going to come out here. We're not going to all tournament team. You're going to be dressed like you dress on Sunday. Now, if you don't wear pads on Sunday, come out to practice with no pads.

But if you wear pads on Sunday, don't you bring your ass out here with no pads. So whoever don't have on pads and you wear pads on Sunday, take your ass back inside. I ain't moved because I ain't wear those. All I had was shoulder pads of the helmet. That's how you have to do it, Ocho. If you want to change the culture, sometimes, Joe, and you know this in basketball.

You got to get some of your better players because they're bad apples. You got to get them out of there. Because sometimes some of your best players are most influential and they'll influence other guys. And I don't want that on Joe. Hey, I, I feel young. But you already know what you need when it comes to winning games, right? Yeah. You know, you know what you're going to need.

You're going to need some dogs. Yeah, well, they want to get some D-Ly. They better get some D-Lyman. That's what they need. They need somebody that can hunt the quarterback. That too. That too. I don't care.

I don't care anything about yourself. I don't care who they are. Right. You better get somebody to go hunt that quarterback. Because without that pressure, if you let him sit back there and just pat this ball like a seven-on-seven, you saw the game on Sunday night. You saw what they did. You saw the Rams and Seahawks go up and down the field.

You've got to have somebody to put pressure on that quarterback, Ocho. I don't care how good your cornerbacks are. They can't hold up all day. They cannot. Let them do it. And for the production that Trayvon was giving them, Yeah. They finally said you're not worth the headache.

Well, listen, they said it with one game left in the season and they're not going to the postseason. I mean, that, oh, Cho, that I told you, they were moving on after the season. He just fed the process up. He expedited. And you know what? I think he doesn't see no problem with that

because if he saw a problem with that, if he was worried about the consequences of him staying back, he wouldn't have done it. He wouldn't have done it because they already told him no. So he sped it up also we have to see man, you know what, man, we ain't going no goddamn well. They, they've been playing with me. I'm telling them healthy.

They're not let me play. I'm a healthy guy, a healthy goddamn scratch. I play today. I'm asking if I could stay back. They said, no, you know what, man. These people. Let me ask you a question, Ocho. You got the three years.

You've been that last three years. You got three touchdowns. Cincinnati they're not going to let you do what they normally do if you had 13 touchdowns in three years. But listen, I'm with you with you right. I'm picking up with you. Which is frightened. I'm picking up with the wind up.

Since the daddy let you act a fool, you had 1,300. You had 1,400. You had 1,400. You had 1,600. You had 90 catches. You had 85 catches. You got 55 catches.

Uh-uh. Your name, Chad Johnson, and you need to act accordingly. I'm just telling ideas. I'm just telling you. That's how it works in the real world. You ask, but man, such and such late.

such and such he might be 20 minutes late 30 minutes late but when he's here he's very productive he gets the job done you here early and be bull-jabing you at the water cooler gossbin about he late he come in late sit his ass down at his desk a cubicle and go to work guys life ain't fair you got to stop judging and think everybody what i do it doesn't work like that it never has and it never will. Once you understand that, the job life is so, it's so easy.

Yeah, it is. A, Uncle Joe, when it comes to basketball, when it comes to football, when it comes to the corporate world, when it comes to any and everything dealing with life in general, it's a game within the game.

And the better you learn the game, the better off you are. You better off you are. The higher, the higher you are at the top of whatever it is you're doing, the more you get to play the game, your way. Yes. But if you're not up there, if you're not the big dog,

if you're not the one calling the shots, you have to learn to play the game. And I think the thing is, you mentioned that he's now in Green Bay, his best friend, Michael Parsons in Green Bay, although we know Michael, towards knee ligament, and he's going to be out, but he's there with somebody familiar.

We talked about, we talked to the young gentleman last night, Higgins, Iowa State receiver goes in the second round, and then he goes in the third line, Jalen Noel, Jalen Noel, he goes in the third round, familiarity, someone there that he knows. He's not going to be there by himself. But I just want him to get back to being who and what he is. He has to understand, Ocho, when you're not a speed,

the thing is when you're not a speed merchant, Ocho, and you have a knee injury, see like Tyreek, like you said, okay, Tyree is not going to be four to five. He's going to boy 438, 4-4-flat. That's still faster the 85, 90% of the NFL. Absolutely. But when you 4-5-5-4-6 and you have an injury, now you got to play you got to play the defense, Cubs.

You got to play straight up. And also, not only do you have to play straight up, it's all about having a feel for the game and understanding the game. You played DB for a very long time. You being 4-5 and having somebody 4-3 across from you, you understand it's all about leverage, It's all about angles, using your hand to be able to reset yourself,

reposition the line of scrimmage. It's so many different things. And I love, you know how I feel when it comes to talk about DBs. I love that, Joe. I love talking from a TV perspective because I play receiver. So I understand what you got to do as a DB, you be able to always be able to flirt into the ball. So I think even if he's not the same Trayvon Diggs-Ev-V-Ole,

there are things that you can do to manipulate your game to make sure you stay on top of your shit. Yeah, I think he'll still, the hardest thing to do. Go ahead, Joe. I think he'll still be effective, Uncle Ocho. I think he'll take some time to really get acclimated in Green Bay and really show that he can get back to being a top corner.

So I'm sure he's going to take the challenge on this for sure. Absolutely. The hardest thing to do is to convince I, we're not what we used to be. Ooh. It's a real fine line between confidence and delusion. Come on, man. Be careful.

Listen, I'm going to say it again, Ocho. There's a real fine line between confidence and delusion. Yes, up. How do we tell ourselves? How do we convince ourselves? Because this is what made us great. The confidence, Joe, that's what made Joe Johnson who he is. That's who made Ocho who he was.

Ocho who he was, the confidence. But as we start to age, as we suffer injuries, and we're not the player that we once was. We once, excuse me, we once worked. How do we handle that? That's tough. Yeah. Damn.

Saman Johnson had a quote. He says almost every man will waste a part of his life, Ocho, trying to possess characteristics he don't have to gain applause for which he cannot keep. Come on now. Come on, hold on, hold on. Do me a favor. Rewind that in the way for the people that didn't ear it so it can

marinate a little bit. I see a chat don't y'all that real quick man. We all and we every man will try to possess characteristics he don't have. Basically in the hopes of coming to something he's not to gain fame and applause for which you cannot keep. That's why I love just being myself, Joe, and I never change, Joe. Joe, they, hey, Joe, them folk tried to give me the change so bad in the league, Joe, I couldn't do it. I didn't know anything else outside of just being myself.

Joe, I ain't had no choice but to be good at what I do because I'm not conforming to what y'all think I should. Where the fuck was y'all when I was in elementary? This is high-active. What was you when I was in high school and played and I scored? This is how they acted. Where was y'all when I was watching the hurricanes in the 90s and Randall Hill, Lamar Thomas, and all them boys

and Michael Herbert's scoring, they're acting a fool. When I'm looking at the TV telling my grandma, I want to be like them. What's y'all? Oh, now I made it. Now you're telling me I'm supposed to change. Man, I'm going to be every bit of Liberty City and Day County. The time I get a chance.

I don't care about the money you paying me, Joe. You just had to be true. Why you think I've never changed? I'm not here playing for the money. I'm going to remain authentically myself, everything that made me mean. And I'm going to keep doing it. It don't matter how much money you take from me.

Joe, I play the game of football free. Because the one thing they use for us, to be able to keep us under control and to keep line, Joe, they take what they think we value most, Joe. Yep. You're going to take his money. I value it. Hey, that's true.

Hey, you know what I love about our tight end to all pro? You know what I love about him? He played his game for free. I stood up and say, yeah, but everybody else need to play for free too. I ain't going to be the only mobile player for free. I just, just so we clear, Joe, you know what I'm. Joe, they use that. He played for free.

You're right. But I need everybody else to play for free too. I ain't the only one going to be playing for free. Hey, hey, Joe. Mike didn't really have a problem with celebrating and all that. He said, long you don't cost your team a penalty. Yes, sir. You don't call your team a penalty.

So somebody did. something dirty to me. I will get your ass back. I ain't going to cost you no penalty, but I will get you back. Yeah. I'll get you back. Hey, hey, Joe, if one thing about it, Joe, you know, I, I hate to say it in this way, in these words, right? But that's the only way to keep them nigs in line.

Excuse me, excuse me my language, excuse my language, you know. You take the money, that's the only way. I got to take what you value. I got to take with the value, but. And tomorrow, what they do, Ocho, to hit your family? Because you value that.

Your mom, your wife, your kids, your mom, your mom, what do you value? See, in the NFL, they know you value. You work hard to get in the position. Ocho became an all-pro. He became a pro-bo player so he can make money. He valued money. That's why he worked his ass off. He wanted it.

He wanted to be able to be in position to take care of his family. Well, let me take a little bit off it. Let me take a little bit of this office. Let me lack this load a little bit. Yeah, it ain't worked, Joe. It ain't worked, Joe. Hey, it ain't work. Hey, by the fact, hey, oh, tell Joe by that time, I tried to brag.

Hey, Joe, oh, kill me. Hey, oh, you was that CBS then, huh? I was, I was, yeah. Oh, was that CBS, Joe? Let me tell you. That was before. Now, when everybody thought the game was sold. Because they really think the game sold now.

So if you were to do that now, man, they might, they might suspend you in two games. What did, what did you do, Joe? So I caught a call, Nick had a call, and he tried to get official a dollar. Wow. Like to change his mind on the call. Yeah, it was a catch, you know,

and I forgot who, is it Billick? Who was the Ravens coach at the time? Brian Billet. Brian Billick threw a red challenge bag. I felt I caught the ball. So I'm thinking to myself, I'm sitting there, you know what? I'm going to just play around real quick.

I had a dollar in my sock. The dollar in my sock was for a celebration. So I used the dollar as just a joking, trying to bribe the ref when he came up outside the replay boot. And I tried to hand it to him like going in to do his call. We called. Joe, they got there. Joe, the NFL family about $30,000 the next morning.

Oh, yeah, they ain't playing. Hey, look, look. But Joe, it's moments like that, Joe, I ain't worried about that $30,000. I'm not even tripping. I'm not here having fun and entertaining. And on top of that, I'm playing to the top. I'm playing.

I wasn't just. know anybody, Joe. I'm acting a fool, but I'm great at what I do as far as producing this concern. So, I mean, the Bengals ain't care because they understood week in and week out, whether it was playing home all way. There's one person we don't have to worry about. He might act a fool and have some fun, but he's going to show up every after the game. Hey, okay, Ocho.

Hey, look, I wouldn't give them nothing back. You hear me? Man, I ain't look. They got me with something with uniform. How much was it? Oh, they got me with the uniform, uh, Joe. They, Joe, Joe, socks. Because you know, you got songs got, you can't show no skin.

So Joe, the guy tackled me. I'm supposed to pull my socks up. Bro, I ain't, I ain't thinking about that, man. I'm thinking about the next play. I'm thinking about beating old boy again or beating somebody else. And they fine y'all for that? How much are fine to you? Yeah, my, my, my, my, Louser.

Yeah, the first, the first offensive is, $5,000 and that's another place where all my money went. I wore a stream of towel, Joe. You know, the little gatorade towels y'all had, the long gatorade tiles built on the bench. I cut me a stream of a towel and had a stream of a towel hanging on the side of my hip. Mind you, they give you towels a well. Joe, I want mine long and pretty.

So when I run, it's blowing in the win. So if you look at some pictures of me, sometimes they have an orange chin strap, depending on what color jersey we win, sometimes they have a black chin strap. I ain't, man, sometimes my cleats was gold. Joe, our colors with orange or black. What I'm doing with gold?

You're just doing what you want to do right there. I'm doing, man, I'm listening. You look good, you play good. And if you play good, yeah, Joe wasn't lying, Ocho. And Joe's whole career, he was only fined $6,000. Hey, yeah, man, that ain't even for nothing back. Man, hey, Ocho, why I'm from? Two technical files and an ejection.

Why I get ejected? I got ejected. I think it was like one time. But I'll. For real. You'll cut the ref house? There must have been something must be. No, no, I don't complain to the rest when I play me.

I played through all that. So if I, if I got on to the ref, it's because it's something really happy man. And you missed it, bro. He deserved it. He deserved it. But I ain't just out there just hollered the ref for no reason. Nah.

Mm-hmm. Remember, Ocho, you take this with you. Almost every man will waste a part of his life trying to possess qualities. He does not have an attempt to gain applause for which he cannot keep. Come on now. Come on now. Oh, let me ask you this. Do you think he can actually help the Packers defense the second?

The Packers have the seventh best past defense in 2025. Was this a favor of Micah or do you believe Trayvah? Because they're kind of banged up in the secondary. Yeah. But do you believe he can actually help them? Yeah, I believe so. I believe so. The fact that they're seventh in past defense,

they're going to put him in positions to be able to do what he does well, whether we believe he's the same or not, and they're going to be all right. Obviously, that front four that you do have that can get home when they do play once they get into the postseason, I think Trayvon is going to be spectacular and in the way they use him. And that that's what matters most. It's not like, damn, our front four is not good. We can't get to the quarterback. So now we need our back in to carry us and do what they do.

Man, and people may, Joe, you got maybe two, damn, maybe three seconds to throw the ball when you're playing against them goddamn packets, even within the absence. Yeah. Yeah. Aaron Glenn's job with the Jets is not safe after the team's disappointing performance to end the season per Almondo Sal Gere. Ocho, we had a conversation last night. Remember what I said, Ocho? I said, getting beat like this here?

Yeah. I said, I want to be looking like, damn. I don't know. I don't think I made the right decision as a head coach. Glenn was a very popular coach prospect in January and landed with the Jets as a nostalgic mood to return the former. cornerback to its old team. Cool story, but this is starting to feel like Gerard Mayo in New England last season.

Glenn is not safe. Oh, Joe? That hurt, huh? The difference is that he doesn't have a quarterback. They have, they had Drake May. Who is the prospect and are you going to go into the draft, get a quarterback? because at the end of the day, I don't care who you bring in.

As good as Mike, Mike Rable in Tennessee, as long as he's getting quality quarterback play, he was doing good. But when he wasn't getting quality quarterback play, and I think he's a phenomenal coach. But most phenomenal coaches have quality quarterbacks. Look at the coaches that's in the Hall of Fame.

Oh, yeah. They all have. Most of them except Joe Gibbs and Bill Parcells, guess what they had? Hall of Fame quarterbacks. Every coach that's in the Hall of Fame, other Joe Gibbs, Bill Parcells,

had a Hall of Fame quarterback. So all this, you know, Eric Glenn, look, the last couple of games, he hadn't looked well. He didn't look good. Yesterday, and I, look, having talked to owners and been around this thing for a long time, that's the last thing you don't want to look. Hey, not like that, Ocho.

Not like this. Because it looks like the team, and I'm not saying they did because it's hard for me to conjure up saying it, but it looked like they mailed it in. 35 to 3-0-0 at the half, quarterback through five touchdowns. He had two incomplete passes. You got to go back a long time, 40, 50 years to have somebody complete that many passes. Be that efficient.

Hey, that, that sucks. One year? Oh, we're going to give you one year. See what you can do on a team that was already bad before you got here? That's up. They did love it like that. Remember the old Houston, Texas coach? They did him like that.

They did Steve Wilkes like that in Arizona. He had a bad quarterback. They lost. And guess what? They ended up drafting Kyle Murray and brought a new quarterback. They brought Cliff King's. and the coaching. So this is an uncharted territory.

I will. It's not uncharted territory, but I wish owners would understand, you know? It takes time. It takes time. Unless your timing is right, and you get lucky.

And you get lucky first. You ain't getting lucky unless you got a quarterback. You got to have a competent quarterback and be able to build around that. You do. You absolutely do. but I'm not going to lie to you about that. You absolutely do.

I think he needs at least another year, Ocho. You took his two best players on the defensive side of the football and then you wonder why they're struggling. They thought they had the guy with Justin Fields. He's not it. And maybe he needs to go somewhere else. Maybe he's a Sam Donald situation. We saw Sam Donald with a jet.

We saw Sam Donald in Carolina. We also saw Sam Donald as a backup in San. and San Fran. He looked okay. And then he got the job in Minnesota. Now, he's still a turnover machine. Let's not lose side of that, he is a turnover machine.

Yeah, he'll let it go. But he looked better in Minnesota and in Seattle than he ever did look at the other previous stop. So maybe Justin Fields needs to go somewhere else. But I just, I just... What quarterback has looked good with the Jets? Not.

I'm just curious. Pennington. Chad Pennington. We got to go back 22 decades. Damn. All right, we'll get you out of here on this. It's time for our final segment. It's time for Q and A.

Hey, um. You can hear me? Yeah. Hey, what do you call a guy with a rubber toe? What do you call a guy with a rubber toe? I don't know what you call it. Roberto. I have birthday.

Kimbertoe with you, you said, oh, I enjoy watching the Elway documentary today. Thank you, man. Appreciate that. Like I said, I got an opportunity to sit down with seven on last week, and it's coming out Wednesday. So I'm extremely excited about that. It's been a while since I actually got an opportunity to see him.

But he was in good spirits. It's good to see him. It was also good to get back. And I didn't really see anybody because we were at the stadium. They were practicing because they had the Christmas Day game, Ocho. So originally we were scheduled to shoot at the facility, but, you know, they moved it.

Went up going to the stadium, which was great. So I appreciate the Broncos, letting us to have the facility to shoot this. So appreciate it. The Sean Show, Uncle Ocho, if y'all were on the O'N-16 Lions or Browns, could y'all have gotten them a win? No.

Absolutely not Because Quarterback play with that bad It's hard to overcome bad quarterback play A counselor at large Not a gang bang bang Faithful baby Now look good

Moonlight right Derek Henry for MVP Where would the Ravens be without him Bro For a running back to get that MVP He's gonna have to break Edie's record and L.T.'s touchdown record. I mean he'd have to have what?

2,000-some yards, 32 touchdown. Over 2,100 and 32 touchdowns. And then pray, somebody doesn't break Peyton Manning's record at that same year. Trade News from 16. How long does it take for NFL Road teams to leave the stadium after the game? Ocho, do you have a joke for us tonight?

Or Ocho told you a joke? Normally, they try to leave. Once the game ends, they try to be after the game and on their way from the stadium one hour after the game. One hour. Or they'll leave you.

I'm telling you, they will. Tenaja 1367, Lions should trade jerry golf for Lamar Jackson. Why would why would the Ravens do that? Nah. That changes your offense completely. Hell Bell O.G.

Y'all stay with me. T. Higgins with the Chiefs or the Bills. Shoot. Either one, he's cutting up. Either one. You think he's leaving? No, I don't think he's leaving. Absolutely not.

But I'm just saying, hypothetically speaking, if the opportunity to present itself, I mean, he'd go over there with Josh Allen. You already know what's going to happen. Hell, he go over there with Patrick Mahone when he comes back. Oh, my goodness. That's a win-win. Either way you go.

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