Nightcap - Best of NFL News Part 1: GOIN' IN on HATERS after Shedeur Sanders makes Pro Bowl, Did the Eagles FUMBLE OC Hire?!

Episode Date: January 31, 2026

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Go ahead and click that subscribe button below so you don't miss a single episode of Nightcap. That button right here. Come for the sports. Stay for the stories. All right, Ocho, and an unexpected, Shadour Sanders has been named to the Pro Bowl. Shadour will replace Drake May,

who will be playing in Super Bowl 60. Shadour is part of the AFC quarterbacking group that includes Josh Allen and Justin Herbert, who could have, uh, who could all also require replacement after getting surgery in December to repair a fractured hand. Only four AFC quarterbacks ranked in the top 10 for fan boating. Josh Allen, Drake May, Patrick Mahomes, and Bhoombs, and Nix. Mahomes and Nix are both out with injuries, so that allows Shadourd to get the nod.

Lamar Jackson, Joe Burrow and Aaron Rogers, obviously bigger names, didn't make the cut over Shadoo. And yes, sir. Ocho, what are you thinking? Obviously, a lot of people upset. A lot of people are saying that Shador Sanders didn't deserve this. Obviously, when you look at the stats statistically, there are so many other suitors that could have gone to the Pro Bowl. Honestly, Unc, this is one that is a bit confusing to me.

As much as I love Shadur Sanders, there are many others that should have gotten that opportunity to go. I am happy that he's been awarded and afforded the opportunity to go to the Pro Bowl in his first year. But maybe you can clarify and give me a little bit more clarity as to why the other the players who had better seasons statistically than ghosts. Mainly of Trevor Lawrence. Is that the name you wanted to throw out there?

I was getting ready to say Trevor Lawrence. So, I mean, can you explain to me? You might be able to help me understand a little better. Maybe, obviously, Ocho, maybe it's a situation where the fan vote, they's like, because you got to think about Ocho, they're down to like the six or seven alternate. the Pro Bowl does not have the same recognition that it once did. It used to mean something to go to the Pro Bowl. Who are you telling?

It used to mean something. And when you look at that ball and you see all those names, you saw the Elways and the Marinos and the Tom Brady and the Peyton Mannings. And the guys, like I said, it wasn't like a regular season game, but guys cared. There was none of this two-hand touch. And, you know, I've read some of the comments. He didn't deserve to go.

It happens. not the first alternate to ever make the Pro Bowl. He's not. He's not going to be the last alternate to make the Pro Bowl. We saw, oh, Joe, remember we saw Huntley, just a few years go make it. Yes. Because nobody really wanted to go. I mean, first of all, I don't know where it's going to be.

It's in San Francisco this year. Because it used to be, oh, Joe, it used to mean something. You go in Hawaii. You get a vacation. You get to take your wife to Hawaii, your girlfriend, your family, get the tag alone. It meant something to go across the water to break bread. You're drinking the motties. the blue Hawaiians, it normally meant something.

It doesn't have the same cachet. But congratulations to your door. And like you said, Patrick Mahomes was hurt. Bo Nix is hurt. I'm not so sure. I'm not so sure. The other names would have gone. Not at that far down as an altar.

I don't think Lamar is going. There's a great chance that they reached out to these guys. And they're like, now, I'm good. Aaron Rogers is like, no. No. I don't need that trip. Lamar is like, no, I got other things to do. So I think the thing is that the other guys,

Lamar, Joe, Aaron Rogers, probably Trevor Lawrence, they probably not. I mean, listen, if it was like it was back in the day when we were playing actually, and it actually meant much more to go to the Pro Bowl, the achievement of making the Pro Bowl, it was unbelievable. You understand this is a real trip, a real treat.

know that you get to go, you got to fly 10 hours. I don't care where you live. It's a 10-hour flight. Your family goes, and, you know, you're there all week, and you really played. There was no, there was no bulljab. It wasn't no shucking and jabbing. You enjoy those first three quarters, and we get to that fourth quarter. It's time to tighten up, and we got to play ball.

It's time to turn up, and we play in ball. It is. So, I mean, it's different now. Obviously, the game has evolved. The players also trying to protect themselves, especially if you're in the contract here, they don't want to get hurt. But, hey, hey, man, it was, hey, oh, my goodness.

Remember that? And what I don't like about it now, Ocho, that was also the time that the team that won the Super Bowl, that got an opportunity to come over to the Pro Bowl and everybody patted them on the back, man, congratulations, hell of a job, man. I'm rooting for you, X, Y, and Z. Now, you, I mean, there are some players that's going to,

I mean, you, and I get it. Like I said, it's not, you still, that's still on your resume. So no matter what you think, Shedore Sanders, whether he makes a number or not, when it's all said, done, he'll be a one-time pro-bow player. So how he got there is unimportant. Nobody's going to remember five years, ten years, fifteen, twenty, thirty years from now that he was an alternate and got selected to the pro bowl.

But I love the fact that after, you know, I was very fortunate to win a couple of Super Bowes and was a pro bowl player at that time and got an opportunity to go over and receive my congratulations and received that, you know, Darrell Green and a lot of Ray Browns and the guys like, hey, man, sign this champ. and you got an opportunity to put those Roman numerals up there. It meant something. It really did. And I wish the NFL would go back to that and let these guys that made the Pro Bowl that are in the Super Bowl, they get an opportunity to go because they get an opportunity to go frat and eyes and see some of the guys.

A lot of the guys you only see in passing on show, you play against them, and that's it. But you get an opportunity to meet people's family. You take pictures with people wives and kids and their father-in-laws and things of that nature. So it's a huge honor. But congratulations your door. Look, no matter what, people are going to be upset about it. He didn't deserve to go.

But they had to have somebody else. And it seems like these other guys weren't interested in it. So, I mean, what do you want to do? Just send two guys. Hey, Justin Herbert could have easily opted out because he had surgery on his non-throwing hand. But I guess for what he's need to do, it's not going to, I don't think it's going to be,

it's going to inhibit anything that he's going to do as far as throwing the football because he's just going to be throwing, running around, trying to throw the ball in the hoop or hit a moving target. So I don't really have a problem with this. The only thing I wish is that I just wish the guys took it a little bit more serious

and it didn't have to come to this that they ended up cutting it out and they're making a skills competition because it used to me, and don't tell me this, oh well, oh well, no, because the guys played, the guys played for 50 years, years, 50 years, Ocho, they played.

And now all of a sudden, you mean to tell me, and I don't know what year it happened, but I remember it happening. And I was like, because you remember to hit that Sean Taylor laid on the partner. Yeah, yeah. I mean, guys wouldn't clean your clock. I mean, if you go across the middle,

guys like they let you come down and then they tackle you. Guys wouldn't try, you know, guys wasn't trying to do, level no crackback blocks or anything like that. but the NFL did the only thing that they could is that which they had they had to cut it out because guys wouldn't take it serious and so nice of skills competition and I mean they got to they played a flag game and that's that's why I propose you know my whole thing and obviously on there I think there's there's enough of the

older players the past players that there's enough of us that are still in some somewhat shorter sort of shape and I just thought I just thought You know, it would be exciting if they knew ahead of time and preparing themselves to go against the younger generation. I think it would be fun because you're not out there. Man, there ain't been two of y'all in shape, man. Ain't nobody still in shape. No, but I'm just saying, the fact that they're not playing for real.

It's just to enjoy yourselves. I think it would be cool for the fans, you know, to be able to see the younger generation and go against the older generation. And we're not going all out, but we're just out there having a good time. That's all. I just thought. I mean, the only thing you possibly could do is have the quarterback, to throw, but they would need to give them like six months to throw,

so their arm don't fall off after that Saturday. I mean, I don't know. I just thought it would be something really dope and something that you would never see a crossover like that unless you play Madden. So to be able to see it in real life, in real time, some of the former legends playing with some of the current stars a day, it would be dope to see them share the field.

But, hey. Ocho, you know, I don't know if you got an opportunity to make it, but it used to be the pro bowl. Look, the pro bowl was an honor, but everybody wanted to make All-Madden. They wanted to make the All-Pro, and then they wanted to make the Pro Bowl. Because if you made All-Man,

he actually had to see you play. So that means you got the number one team, be it CBS or Fox. So that's what that meant. You got the number one team. So that means John, Manon and Pat Summer off, rest their soul, was seeing you play. And when you got that jacket

or you got that trophy, that sweatshirt that they used to give you at first on show they gave you a trophy the trophy had to weigh like 25 pounds so I'm not bored of you they gave you a trophy

they gave you a leather jacket they gave you a sweatsuit they gave you a sweatshirt and they gave you a t-shirt they cut the trophy out and then they gave you a leather jacket a sweatshirt I think I still got I know I gave

my last year I made it My last year in Denver, I gave the, what did I give? I gave some, I gave, I think I gave house, the jacket. I gave Chalki, the, uh, the hoodie. But that was, that was an honor to have, to have John Madden. And we still got the Madden game. And to have those two call your game. That's dope now.

Yeah, that's dope. What? That's dope. But I still got, I still got the leather jackets. I still got, uh, I made, uh, The biggest honor with me and my brother making it together.

I think I got like four sweatshirts because I think I made it five times. I got four jackets and a sweatsuit. I don't know. I think I got a sweatsuit. My sister might have a sweatsuit. But congratulations you should do it.

Look, everybody's not going to be happy at the old show. I remember, look, there are some times in hell. I would have gone, because I was the first alternate twice. My last, my first year in Baltimore, no, three times.

My first year in Baltimore, I was the first alternate. In my last two years in Denver, I was first alternate. Now, I definitely should have made it. My first year in Baltimore, you can go check the stats. All the tidying, Gonzo made it.

Tony Gonzalez made it, deservedly so. But you look, I should have been the second guy. I should have been there. And then my second year in Denver, behind Gonzo again, I should have made it. But, hey, eight times, I guess there's really nothing to be complaining,

but eight times in 14 years, that's pretty good for a guy that went to seven around. But Shadour, congratulations. That's on your resume. Now it gives you something to strive to be one of those first three guys that get selected to the Pro Bowl. The fan vote, the coaches, and the players is a huge honor. And like I said, 25, 30 years from now, everybody, won't nobody remember that he was an alter. They'll look like, man, Shadur made the Pro Bowl. Yeah, hey, listen, no matter what.

No matter how you feel, you got to put Pro Bowl in front of that name before you say it. No matter whether he was, whether he deserved it or not, whether the stats were up the par for him to make it. The players before him chose not to go. Therefore, as far as the pecking order goes, he was next in line. So therefore, he's a pro bowler. Yeah. Actually, I'm trying to think I made the Pro Bowl. I made the Pro Bowl like, let's see, 96.

I made it 95. I made it like, damn. to like five of my times because I think Prime went like eight, nine times and I think 92, 93, 94. No, I didn't go 94. I made it, but I didn't go. Eric Green, Eric Green was the alternate. I looked at it like, okay, that looked good on his resume. He hit me up. Hey, dog, what's going on? I said, what, hey, you know, I got this. You good to go. That's dope. That's laugh. That's laugh. Hey, Unc, that's very, Genes by you.

Hey, also that's what we used to do. You called up, Chris Carter told a story. My brother had made it. And Chris was the alternate. And he's like, man,

your brother going to the Pro Bowl? I'm like, I mean, he ain't loving it. I mean, if he'd go, it's only because I'm going. Here my brother up.

Brose, hey, all of a sudden, my brother had an injury. Chris, sent him a bottle, right, right, right.

That's dope. But that's, but, but, you know, somebody had incentive. is go get that. Most definitely. Yeah, for sure.

Sean Merriman said, I have Pro Bowl helmet that I walk past every day. It's signed by some of the best players in NFL history, legends, Hall of Famers, and real goats. The Pro Bowl used to be a badge of honor and respected. Things have changed. Dave said, you sound like a little beat, a little beat. Been hanging around your dad

too much. My bad. Who said that? Somebody. It was a random. Okay, okay. That was Sean Merriman. then somebody tweeted back at him, and that was Sean response. I mean, he's right. He's right. I mean, that era of football, obviously, I played against Sean Merriman, made the Pro Bowl

with him as well. I mean, it was different on it. And the game has evolved. I mean, the meaning of the Pro Bowl has changed tremendously. I don't think players in today's era will understand what it meant to fly and take that 10-hour flight with your family and see some of the people and meet some of their kids and their wives and seeing some of the coaches that some of the players bought.

And just, I mean, it was dope. It was dope. I mean, enjoying the island, enjoying the people, enjoying the culture in general, you know, throughout the entirety of the week, it was different. It was different. And standing at the I-Hilani with that goddamn French toast,

I still don't know what, I don't know if it was a French toph or whether it was a serb at the Ihalani. I didn't know why, but oh, my goodness, it's to this day. There's only been one place. I don't mean to veer off track. There's only been one place. where I've had French toast as good as the French toast in the Yalani at that, at that hotel.

And that's at a restaurant in Montreal called La Avenue. Oh, my goodness. They got a restaurant in, I think I said, Ash, the thing on IG. They got a restaurant in New York that we got to go try to pancakes there. It's good? Yeah, I'm a pancakes guy. All things being equal, I'd rather have pancakes to place toast. But I go pancakes, French toast.

French toast, waffles for me. That would be my choice. I mean, some people like french toast. Some people like waffles. Some people like pancakes. But I'm a pancakes, French toast waffles guy. I like it. But it is.

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This is your boy, Dan Green, from the Broken Play Podcast. Look, it's the end of the season, the playoffs are here. But guess what? It ain't the end of your season. You can always tune in with Broken Play Podcasts with Nav Green on the Black Effect Podcast Network. Not a team who ain't going to the playoffs. They're cheese. Oh, it's a rap.

It's time to rebuild. Who your MVP right now then? Drake May up there, Josh Allen up there still. Oh, my boy, Matthew Stafford. Where did his vote Knicks at? He ain't too far behind. He did all this talking. What Matthew Stafford is doing,

statistically, bro, it's crazy. Bro, you know I ain't no Josh Allen fan, but Matthew Staff forgot. Better weapon. Caleb Williams. Hey, he should be in that conversation. In what conversation? He should be in it.

Listen to Broken Play with Nav Green from the Black Effect Podcast Network on the Iheart Radio app. Apple Podcasts or whatever you get your podcast. And Mike Gravel is not worried about Drake May's right throwing shoulder. The Patriots held their first practice ahead of Super Bowl today.

And after, with the team's injury report listed May as limited for the second straight day. Brable said today, I try not to have a whole lot of concern. I just want to prepare the football team and make sure that everybody's ready and then we have a plan. Ocho, are you, or should the Patriots be worried about Drake May won't be 100% for the Super Bowl?

No, absolutely, Unk. You know, going to the Super Bowl, Joe, this is the end of the season, Unk. Everybody, Nick. Who the hell? Who the hell? Ain't nobody 100%. If you play. Unless you ain't play all season long.

but you're throwing on is it throwing on or left shoulder? How many past did he throw? How many past did he throw Sunday? So when did he hurt this throwing shoulder? Because I don't remember it being on the injury report. So he didn't throw a whole lot. And yeah, he got sacked,

but a lot of them were like they landed on top of him. That's a little gamesmanship and all that stuff. It's just like Sam Donald. Remember Sam Donald that oblique? He ain't been practicing. We're really worried. He might not play. He went out, hey, Sam,

Hey, that throwing arm, no, you can't shoot that up, though, and go out of day because you don't want that norm, right? Hell, yeah, you shoot it up. Joe, you can shoot anything up, Joe. I'm thinking because anything with the joint, the thing they don't really shoot up his knees, but ankles, shoulders, ribs. Yeah, you won't feel the pain, Joe.

You don't want to feel the pain when you, when you throw that thing, that motion going forward. But after the game, Boy, when that are drilling and go down or wear off. Boy, may God be with you. New Buffalo Bill's head coach, Joe Brady, expressed his support for Keon Coleman, stated that Keon is going to be a Buffalo bill.

I told Keon, when I got hired, the best thing to happen to Keon Coleman was me being his head coach. I was the one that stood on the table for Keon Coleman. I believe in Keon Coleman. Brady said that 2025 was a learning year for Coleman, adding that the bills had put the team first. in a lot of the elements. He's going to continue to grow.

But the elements that we saw in the draft process, the confidence that I have in him and his ability, and as long as he's handling what he needs to handle off the field, I have no doubt that he's going to be successful on the field. Yeah. I like it. I like it. That reassurance from the head coach,

I know that got to have Keon feeling good. They got to have him feeling good, despite what he heard just a week or two weeks ago, from them other folks. It doesn't matter. Your head coach says he believes in you. Your head coach says he believes in you publicly. Now you got to do your job.

Now you got to do what's necessary to make sure when you do go back into that building, you do everything in your power. When you do get back, how do I make everyone else in job around me easy so they don't have to worry about me? Now you're in a position of power where now they can count on you.

Absolutely. When they can count on you, now the rabbit, now you got the gun. Now you got the gun That's all that come down to So I don't talk to Keon You know we're gonna be down here working this off-season I'm not matter of fact

I ain't even worried about it no more I ain't even worried about it no Joe All I need it for I need it for a month Joe That's it Joe Joe before you go you're going into his third year This car just a year There's a year

Yeah Hey hey this money here Joe So you know you're gonna get the best out of them Man this money year Joe It all start right up here Yeah. And knowing that the head coach got your back, see, he wilded them folks in his, in his draft meetings. You know what I mean? Like, I've seen it everywhere. That's all they were talking about. Yeah.

But, yeah, Ocho, I'm with you, man. He got to come back next year, bro. He got to be a whole different player. The demeanor got to be different. He got to come ready to work. Contract year, try to get some of that money on. Yeah. But see, the funny thing about it is once you get back, all the work has to be. already put in. Right. We've got to be put in in the off season. Because when you get back, it ain't nothing but ex-it-nose.

So your game and everything about playing receiver got to be on the point. Second nature. Second nature. Yeah. I can't, but I can't wait. The Eagles are high in Sean Manning as the offensive coordinator. Manning has coached the last two, has just coached, has coached for just two years, breaking in as an offensive assistant.

the Packers in 2024 before being promoted to the quarterback's coach last season. This past season, he worked with Jordan Love, who completed 66% of his throws, 3,381 yards with 23 touchdowns and 6th interception. A former quarterback out of Oregon State Manning spent nine seasons in the NFL with four different teams, including with the Rams, who drafted him in the third round. He learned from coaches such as Sean McVeigh, Clint Kubiak, and Shane Walker. during his playing days. Ocho, do you like this hire? You know, I'm going to be honest with you. I like the hiring, but I don't like the fact that I didn't get the opportunity

to interview for the office of coordinator's job for the Eagles. I know what they need. What they need is creativity. Now, where coach is coming from under that umbrella tree with Kubiak and goddamn Sean McVeigh, I think it can be good. What the offense needs in Philadelphia is a little bit of creativity. young. I agree. They're too predictable. You know, I mean, we talk about it

all the time, Joe, knowing what routes are being run based on receivers alignment. I mean, just, you know, no creativity at all. I think if he's able to bring some of that and open up, open up what Jaylon Hertz is already able to do and add something else

to his game, I think they're going to be all right. You like it? You like it, Joe? I don't really know, to be honest with you, Uncle Joe. I don't really know much about the coach. But I think I want to just see more from the quarterback, Jaila Hertz. You know, just improvising a little more Uncle Ocho, getting outside the pocket, making

plays, and throwing dots, bro. I think he got it in him. I think he second guesses itself quite a bit. But the Eagles, they definitely got a nice squad, man. They can get back on track and get back to playing championship ball. But I think it's going to come down to a quarterback play, man. him, you know, getting outside of his comfort zone and being a playmaker. Yeah.

I like that too. Go ahead. You know what? Just to piggyback on what Joe is talking about. I would love to see Jalen be able to do a little bit more. Some of the things people say he can do, especially when the running game is stifled as it was last year. I would love to see him be a pocket passer. I would love him to see, obviously, the offense wasn't predicated on him having to do anything outside of what they call.

But I would love them to add a little bit more. this plate. Give him a little bit more so we can see him develop more as a pocket passer outside of what he normally does. I like it. I think the thing for me, Ocho, is that you said they need to open up the playbook and allow Jalen Hurst to be more of a quarterback. I think the thing sometimes is that when you call plays, you can, a player knows like, damn, they really don't think I can do, but X, Y, and Z. And so by doing that, you like, damn, do they got confidence in me? Because they're calling plays as if they don't have confidence

in me. Because somebody that calls plays, they allow me the freedom, the latitude to do a lot of things. And this office, I don't know if this offense allows Jalen Hertz to do a lot of the things that he could potentially do. And especially now, at this stage of his career, his sixth or seventh year in the league,

Ocho, you've got to open a damn playbook up. You got to let him be able to go to the line and change plays on his own. He's not a first or second year quarterback. You don't have to keep the training wheels off on, on, excuse me, on for perpetuity. Allow him to be a quarterback. He's gone to two Super Bowl.

He's won a Super Bowl MVP. That should be enough that should say, you know what, I have faith in this young man. I'm going to take the guard wheels off. I'm going to allow him to be what I believe he can be. I just think the thing is, like, when you call plays for a significant amount of time and you don't open it up, the player starts to feel that you don't have confidence in it. and then when you don't have confidence in him, I don't care what you hear a lot of people say,

you just need that one person to believe in you. The one person. And maybe that's this offensive coordinator. Now, he's very new, Ocho. He started out as an offensive assistant. He became a quarterbacks coach last year. And Jalen, and Jailor and Love had a really good season. He got Nick and didn't have the type of season that, you know,

you would hope, had got out to a great start. against Chicago, but they end up faltering late in that ball game. But I like this higher. Maybe, look, Green Bay and the West Coast system, and I think there's a misnomer, they still want to run the football. But they do so much more off of it than what the Eagles were doing. And I think the thing is, with Jalen Hurts' legs, I think he does a great job. Yeah, he's strong.

He can squat 600 pounds, but I think he does a great job of getting out of bounds. I think he does a great job of getting down. and not taking unnecessary punishment. Now, look, sometimes you're going to have to on third and one, Ocho, fourth and one, you're going to have to lower your head. You're going to have to get that extra yard. But for the most part, he does a great job of taking care of himself. I like this, hire.

I like it. I do. Damn. You got it? I'd have messed up my camera. Hold on. I don't know what he's doing. Hey, honk.

But, uh, the, uh, Sequin, the running back. Hey, man, I don't know what happened, but it seemed like one year made a huge difference because I think when he's dominant, when he's dominant like he was a year ago, I think it's a lot easier for Jaylor Hurdy back there as well. Yeah, but the fact that I think, you know, he was decent this year, but he wasn't what he was the year before. No, you're right, Joe. I think the easy, the way you help the quarterback the most is run the football.

They made a, teams made a conscious effort. to stop Sequan Barkley. The offensive line was beat up a lot also. Dickinson had surgery right before the season. Jurgensen had surgery, if I'm not mistaken, in the offseason. He wasn't totally healthy. The right guard, they didn't really find an adequate replacement from Mackay Beckton. And you saw Lane Johnson go out.

He was in and out, and he was dealing with injury. So the offensive line, as we knew it, the previous year, wasn't even close to what it was. Now, you're going to get Lane back. Hopefully Dickinson doesn't have to get surgery. Jurgensen doesn't have to get surgery, they'd be able to not train instead of rehab. So that should help Sequin a lot more. That should help this offense a lot more.

Because when they run, when Sequan was running crazy, now all Javeh does stick the ball out to Sequan and pull it back. Now you got Devonte, now you got A. You got Goddard and those guys running Scott Free. So that's definitely a plus when you can run the football. Go ahead, Ocho.

Absolutely. But I want them to evolve when they're not able to run the ball. I need the creativity. I need the schemes. I need the different formations. I need the motions. They're putting AJ Brown in the backfield. Putting DeVante Smith in the backfield.

Some of the things you see them do with Pook and the cool, some of the things you see them do with JSN, you can bring that same type of creativity or similar style to West Coast offense without really taking away from what you actually do, just adding sauce to it. When you got damn Joe, when you cook food, Joe, you add season to your food, Joe. That's all I'm asking the Eagles offense to do, the new officer coordinator to do. You already got your recipe, right?

Add a little seasoning to it. Change it up a little bit. So when you get in situations with a running game if not working, you're still able to operate in other ways. That's all. Hey, Uncle Ocho, I think for me, you know, when you look at it as players, it's only so much the coach and staff can do, man. you know, when we get in between those lines as athletes, we're the ones got to improvise and make plays at the end of the day. You know what I mean?

So as much as the coaches help, when you get out there in between those lines, man, it's got to come out of you. You know what I mean? Like, you've got to be a playmaker. You got to make things happen. I think the thing is, in last year, they didn't really have a guy that can scheme guys open.

Yeah, sometimes it comes down to talent. And sometimes they have to call to play Ocho, and I just say, Ocho, you got to go beat this guy. I ain't got nothing created here. I ain't got nothing exotic. I'm not stacking anybody. I'm not putting anybody in motion. I'm not doing anything like that.

You see what a Clint Kubiak did. He put J.S.N. in the backfield. He slips him out. He runs the seven route. The backers get confused. They go one way and next day, you know, he's wide open for a touchdown. Or you see what Sean McBade does in that situation where he does with Puka. And he gets guys open.

He gets Devonte open. At some point in time, I can't scheme you open, son. Sometimes we're paying you $20 million. you just got to go get the F open. That's what it comes down to. You just got to go get open sometimes. Now, I'm going to always try to put you in the best situation, but sometimes it's you versus him.

We want it more. Now, look, I can't make a living, oh, you're running 15 digs and four outs and three goals on the left side. I've got to get more creative than that. I just do it. I agree. So I like that.

hire. I don't know how well he'll do, but I remember him coming out of Oregon State. Ocho, that's your alumni. That's your brother. Yeah, that day, that's my alum. That's my alum. That's, yeah, I like him. Listen, when you, when you mention him coming under from that umbrella tree with Kubiak and Sean McVeigh, I'm sure he's going to bring somebody that sauce with him. He got to. You got to. You got to. Because them, A, them Eagles fans, them Eagles fans, they don't play. Yeah. But kind of got spoiled. You know, you had. You had Kellyn Moore for a year, Ocho, and his first year there, you go to the Super Bowl, you win the Super Bowl. They look dominant.

They look really good. And the only time they seemed to be challenging the postseason was get the Rams. And the Rams had to throw in the end zone. And the guy, he kind of dropped it. The guy made a great play on it. But other than that, they ran through everybody else that was in the postseason. Kellen Moore parlayed that, got a head coaching job at the Saints. Best of luck to him.

He's done a great job. but you take for granted and you think just because, well, they got the same talent, but no, everybody doesn't have the same mindset. Everybody doesn't have the same IQ to call certain plays in down the distance and area of the field. So Kelly Moore is great at that. You saw what he was doing in Dallas. They were the second high-scoring team.

Dak was, you know, throwing for 4,000 yards routinely, having great season. They just couldn't get over the hump. The defense let him down some. And when the defense faltered, the defense couldn't bail them out. And with the defense, and the offense made one mistake, it was pretty much over because everybody was just going up and down the field. But I think Manning would do. Hey there. This is Dr. Jesse Mills, director of the men's clinic at UCLA Health and host of the mailroom podcast.

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Apple Podcasts or whatever you get your podcast. A good job. Josh Allen blames himself for Sean McDermott firing and believe that they would be in the Super Bowl right now if he had made one more play. If I make one more play, that game in Denver, we're probably not having this press conference right now. We're probably not making a change. In all honesty, we're probably getting ready to play another game.

Well, the weather in New England was worse than the weather in Denver. And you were going to have to play a lot better, a lot better than what you played in order for you to advance. Now, I'm not saying that they can, I mean, it's wishful thinking. Not everybody can say that, Ocho. You know what, Ocho, if we had beat Pittsburgh, if y'all would beat Pittsburgh that year, if Carson doesn't get hurt. It's easy to say what would have happened without knowing the actual outcome. It's easy to say this what would have happened. We don't know what would have happened.

We know what did happen. But you're right. You're right. I'm not surprised. I think a lot of people are surprised at Sean McDermott. But Ocho and I was talking about this, Joe, in October. And I told him, I said, he's on the hot seat. He's like, man, you think so all in postseason?

I said, yeah, but he ain't got to the play. He ain't got to the Super Bowl. And you got Josh Allen. Many believe he's a top three quarterback, especially now that he has the MVP. Another season in which he had 40 plus touchdowns. That's five, six seasons in a row. He's had 40 combined touchdowns.

And you haven't got to the Super Bowl yet. So I knew the writing was on the wall. Yeah. And it's funny. And Joe, this is probably why I'm not a GM, probably why I'm not an owner. Because they were always making it to the playoffs, to me, even though that's not where you want to be,

but the fact that they're one of the few teams that would be in contention every year. So if we're not making the Super Bowl, but we're right there, and knowing Coach McDermott is my head coach, one of these years, we're going to get over that hump. We're going to get over that hump.

So now you change the head coach, but obviously you didn't go out, you didn't go out and get anybody new. You just, you have Joe Brady, who was already there. So I'm assuming, even still, they're probably going to get there. and it's all going to come down to Josh Allen and what he does in the postseason yet again.

Absolutely. And normally it always does. That's why he makes the most money. That's why more times than not, that's the guy that's the face of your franchise. So when that guy plays well, you see Drake May. He made a few more plays than what Jared Steddon made.

You see Sam Darnel. He made a few more play. And that's what it comes down to. And those big moments like that, Joe, it comes down to that. Hey, you want the ball in your best player's hand. Basketball, you want the ball in your best player's hand. Now, if we can force it out of your best player's hand and we can make an auxiliary, your second, third,

or fourth best player take that shot, I can live with it if he makes it. I just can't live with it if your best guy takes and makes that shot. Right. Right, right. I think with Josh Allen, obviously, Uncle Ocho, you all know it's competitors, man. when you have a, when you're in the playoffs and you have a game the way he did, what do you have, five turnovers?

He had four turnovers. Yeah. They had five total. Yeah. And, yeah, so I like the accountability that he took because you know it hurts going into the summer, Uncle Ocho. You got to deal with that pain and you keep replaying it in your head, man. If I could have just had maybe one turnover versus four or five, you know, maybe we could still be playing. So I understand that part because you don't get a chance to get that back until you start back playing.

Yeah. Mm-hmm. You know what I mean? And plus, Ocho, we talk about the turnovers. He missed a throw that would have won him to gain. He had to tie in on the far cross. Yes. He missed him.

In the end zone. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He missed it. And he rushed it too. Yes. There was no need to rush it. And that's the thing. Not only did he have the four turnovers, all the turnovers would have been forgotten

if he makes that one throw. Makes that one throw. And sometimes we talk about it. It's two or three plays that. really determine the outcome of the game. The outcome of the game. You hit that throw, you turn the ball over four times. Ain't nobody talking about those four turnovers.

Mm-hmm. Because you'll be playing, you'll be playing next weekend. Everybody talked? Yeah. I'll give you a prime example. Go back and look up that championship game, the catch by Joe Montana. See how many turnovers he had in that game.

Go look it up. What do you have, four or five turnovers? But don't nobody remember Joe had that many. I watched the game. I know how many he had. Go back and see how many he had. Does anybody mention the turnover that he had in the NFC championship game? Oh, Joe.

All they talk about was what? The catch. The catch. That throw. And really and truly, he said, I was trying to throw it away because I needed to get it over too tall who's six foot eight, six foot nine. Yeah. So it doesn't matter how bad you play all that goes away if you make one play.

What did Joe end up? I think he had three interceptions and a fumble. It's the 81 championship. And that was the end of the Cowboys. I'm sorry, Joe. Come on, chill. You got a chill. I'm going on.

But, and we've seen Tom have a couple of turnovers early. We've seen great quarterbacks have turnovers early, but we only remember the good. Right. You find it? It's a, and so all that, everything Josh said is true. He knows, he knows if he plays well, they win that game, and Sean McDermott is still, you okay.

See? Don't nobody remember that, though. Unless you watch the game. Right. How many, how many he had four? He had three picks and a football. Damn. But everybody remember to throw the catch.

who was that tight in number 87 uh duke Clark was a wide receiver rest of the soul he's passed away i think he had uh i think he had Luke Garrett oh okay um oh Dwight yeah they had Dwight Clark Freddie Solomon um I think that that was the year they ended up playing Cincinnati in 81 in Detroit yeah we should have won next year errol Cooper and then guess what y'all played them again in 88 ocho won that game. Lewis Billups had the ball,

had the game one. He dropped the pick. Remember, that was the game Jerry goes for 200. Yeah. Hey, Jerry, why?

49ers of the team turned the ball over six times. We don't remember that. We don't remember that. And still won the game. Damn. Because why, Ocho,

that throw, and they went on it, won the Super Bowl. So ain't nobody talking about no turnovers. Right. But, but Josh, I love the fact that he's like, look, I got to bear a lot of responsibility on this.

You know me? I've got to take better care of the football. And when the opportunity presents itself, I've got to make that throw. Josh out of too good not to make that throw. That's not a difficult throw. That's not an Eli Manning or Mario Manningham throw, Ocho. Ooh, that's in the fucking.

Yeah, that's not that kind of throw. It was simple. It seemed like I'm not sure why he rested. I don't know either. He didn't have no pressure. And the tight end weren't wide open. I'm talking about, hey, Joe, the tight end, he might have been too open. Too open.

He's just sitting there chilling. That would have been an easy, easy six. It's just an up, that is not a drop in the bucket because they're the underneath guy, but the bad guy was trailing. The tight end had done came clean. He had, in between the both of them. A lot of space. Yeah.

And he overshot him. Dang. Well. So we'll see if Joe Brady is the right guy is the right guy. I think he has a couple of years to get this thing turned around. They need a one. If A.J. Brown is available. You got to go get him.

You got to go get him. Ooh. You got to. And you definitely need some. You know, Philly going to let him go? Huh? I know, I know they, it's been a little disgruntled over there in Philly with A.J. Brown, but. Man, you let him go what you're going to get in return, Uncle Ocho?

You take the draft capital. Because sometimes, Ocho, look, I think, I think for me, just listen to AJ talk. Even after being a second team all pro, even after making a pro bowl, winning the Super Bowl, he's like, I don't feel what I thought I would feel. So I don't know what's going to make him happy. So at that point in time And then let me ask you Now maybe, hey, he's like

You know what It ain't gonna be better anywhere else Blah, blah, blah. And he says, I want to stay. But I think the thing is now Considering how it ended, I think it's best for the Eagles to go their way and AJ to go here's.

I told you. See, I told you, all. I told you. I told you. I can see it now. We're there. You know? AJ on one side

Keon Coleman on the other you know Hey Joe I'm gonna get Keon right this off season Yeah back with a whole different mentality That's all to come down to Up here

Get that out of your way Man shoot Keon Coleman and AJ Brown They're gonna be like Jamar chasing T. Higgins, boy All right now Yeah I'm telling you So

We'll see what What Buffalo does as far as fringe, what they do in the draft to finally be in a position, you know, hopefully you can get back to that position again. You get back to the playoffs and say, because the thing is, there ain't no guarantee. You get back to the playoffs. And if you do, there ain't no guarantee

you'll be in a more favorite position than what you were. Yeah. And the chances of everybody being out and being hurt like that way this year, like that happens. That's not likely again. And this was your best chance. So next year, the year after, you're going to have to run the gauntlet, right? You got to beat them boys.

Eli Manning, Ocho, will have to wait at least one more year. The two-time Super Bowl winning MVP reportedly did not receive enough votes to the election into the Pro Football Hall of Fame is the second year of eligibility. His career, 117 wins, 117 losses, and a substar passing stats to make it touch the job a Hall of Fame resume. You see? A lot of times people just want to put all the credentials on. Oh, he won an MVP.

He used the Subo, Subo, Subo, Subo. Hold on. So this is the second time. He didn't got skipped. Yep. It's tough because, hold on. Jim Plunkett. One, two Subos.

He ain't in. Number one overall draft pick in 1970, if I'm not mistaken. Look that up. I think Jim Pluck was 1970. He still not in? I don't think, no, Jim Plunkin's not in. Because I think Archie, I think Archie went second. I think Plunkett was one, Archie was second in 1970.

What you're thinking, Ocho? Right call. Eli should be in. He should have to wait. I think it's a right call. It's a right call. He was drafted first overall. He's going to get in.

Yeah. You heard me on? He did. Ashley looking at me talking about. What did he do in 1970? Went first overall. Didn't Archie go second? So he was 71.

Right. So 71 him and Archie. Two. It's, hold on. How many times did Kurt want to have to wait? Because Kurt is a two-time league MVP, an offensive player of the year, a Super Bowl MVP, and he had the three most passing yards in Super Bowl history before Tom broke him. And he had to wait.

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, they, they're, they're going to make Eli wait. He's going to get in. Kurt had to wait. Three times. Yeah, he gonna, he gonna get in. Joe.

I don't know, Joe. Like I said, I used to, like I said, after they made DT wait five times, I was like, I don't know what the Hall of Famer is. I don't. I don't. Because they switch it up. Johnny Randall had to wait.

I know people look at Johnny's antics and, you know, him talking trash and him, you know, grunting and doing all that stuff. He was hell. Johnny Randall was hell He was the real deal Undercised But Joe he would kick it ass

You can go Yeah Go Hey hey When y'all got into the league Uncle Ocho Was being in the Hall of Fame ever On y'all mind

Or just playing the game Having fun Boy shoot Joe you see how I played the game Yo I wouldn't think of nothing I wasn't thinking nothing about that jacket boy Uncle would you think of

about it, Joe, in 1991, we played in the Hall of Fame game. I went into the Hall of Fame and looked around. Had no idea. 20 years later. Yeah. I got a bust in there. Yeah. All I'm a seventh round draft.

All I'm trying to do is make a team. I'm just trying to make the team, Joe. You don't think about the Hall of Fame. The Hall of Fame never came on my radar until Mark Kisner said, hey, at the rate you go in a couple of more years like this, going to be a Hall of Fame candidate. I say, you think so? He's like, I know so.

That was the first time the Hall of Fame even crossed my mind. That was in like 97. I agree. Because look, when I came in, I just, hey, I wanted to make sure I belong. I wanted to show that I alone that I could play in the NBA.

It went until about 15, 14, 15 years when they was like, man, look, you almost said 20,000 points. it ain't but a few guys who got that, man. You might get a chance to get in there. But I never thought about getting in the Hall of Fame. I think since my career has been over, I thought about it.

While I was playing Ocho, yeah, man, it never crossed my mind, but I was just out there having fun and enjoying the game. Hold on, Joe. You got a nominee for the Hall of Fame, boy? Yeah, I got a nominee this year. Ooh, that's my job. Yeah, Joe.

Hey, Ocho. What I'm not told about it, right? That what I'm talking about. I'm living right, man. It's a lot of good things happening for you, boy, over here. Yeah. Hey, Joe, when you get it, when you get it, boy, I'm from the beat up. What?

Hey, boy, say less. They don't threaten me when no good time. Yeah, yeah, I ain't never been to Springfield, man. So I've gone up there. Yeah. Oh, that's what the basketball Hall of Fame at? Yeah, Springfield, Massachusetts. Baseball's Coopertown, New York.

And obviously, football is a can't in Ohio. Hey, boy, Joe, I got a soup for that. Boy, Joe, I can't wait, boy, because I know something for it. Hey, look, look. I got a soup for that, boy. From the looks of it, it looked like I'm gonna be in the nightcap Hall of Fame too. Yeah, yeah. With me, hey, Joe, there you go.

You see I do it? Oh, Joe. You see what I'm saying? You see what I'm talking about? Say, we don't, hey, we don't create the monster. Don't do that. What y'all want from me? What y'all want from me?

Come on, man. Come on, man. Just a little respect. I'm just keeping it. I'm just keeping it 100. I'm just saying from how things going right now. Currently. Okay.

Yeah. Okay. Yeah. I'm just saying, oh, I don't know what you're going to do, but I'm going to put a stop to this next, the next, the next taping. Let me tell you something. Let me tell you something, Joe. You getting a little too excited because we, we haven't done ping pong.

We haven't played pool. We haven't shot darned. Hey, you. We ain't shot dark. There's so many things we haven't done yet, and you put, you got a little too much dip on your chip to be talking all that. Oh, Joe, oh, Joe, all I want to do when at the end of the show when he introduced is, I want him to be like, and still. That ain't what happened, Joe.

Hey, oh man, hell no, Joe. Well, hey, Joe, well, okay. Hey, Joe, you putting the guy, Hey, Joe, you putting the, you putting the eggs before the chicken now. Yeah. You put the eggs before the horse now. I see what I'm up again.

So I, what I'm up against. Before the horse, the horse has to pull the cart, so he's always going to be in front. Now, I said he put in the carriage before the horse. I know the carriage. Yes, you said the carriage or the cart. I said the carriage, you know the carriage. Yes, yes, you're right.

Ocho, you got one right. Okay. Yeah, yeah, I know what I'm talking about. I'll be using that sometimes. I mean, normally it's the cart. I mean, people don't say, but we get what you say. You are you Ocho, so we know. No, horse and carriage, horse and carry.

You know the song. Yeah. Okay, my bad, my bad, my bad. Yeah, Joe. A tight-up. They're coming again. Hey. Yeah.

I'm locked in. I'm locked in. Don't y'all, y'all don't worry about nothing. Hey, the funny thing about it is don't too many people, don't too many people out trash talk me. And the fact that you keep on egging on, like you really like that, I don't like that, Joe. Well, at the end of the day, at the end of the day, Ocho, it can't be, but one winner out of all us.

It can't, it ain't like all us can win and celebrate. So the one who do win, but I ain't doing a whole lot of talking, Joe. But you acted a fool. No. Go on, Join. You actually, you really, you really set me off. You really set me out because you're acting a fool on that goal thing. You're acting a fool.

Oh, Joe, you could have tested this. Joe, the one to talk about, oh, yeah, I already know. I already know I got this one. Before we even started, Joe, that was you. That was you. You said that. Oh, oh, so now y'all double team. No, we're not, no, no.

We're just going on. Now, now, okay. I'm used to, hey, I'm used to that. I'm used to that. I'm used to that. Just know. Hey, just know when y'all see me, man, I'm always have my A game with me.

I'm going to always be locked with me. I'm going to worry about it. I said, well, Joe, we just got here. I mean, you don't even know the rules of the game. Oh, oh, once I find out what it's going to be, I know y'all can't, oh, you got too much muscle, and I know, oh, Joe ain't never been on the golf. I said, well, damn, Joe's.

It's all good. It's all good. Hey, I wasn't too far off now. I wasn't true foul. But what did I tell you when he got your son there? I said, it's all, but you all need a punt. Yeah, yeah, yeah. Yeah.

Ocho, Ocho, you got a palm tree. You got to fight back, Ocho. They don't call me on a palm tree for nothing. Okay. Joe, you got to understand, Joe. I had on, I had on my clothes to go to dinner, Joe. I see, I see. You're the only reason.

You spiffed out. Hey, the chance, I took it, I took one put and laid down. I said, I'm laying, I'm tired. Yeah. I'm sitting up. Look, look, look. I'm really, look. Oh, yeah.

Oh yeah. Hey, y'all, y'all talking about, man, uh, man, uh, look like it hurt. I won. Michael Jordan had the flu. How did Michael Jordan look during the flu? Did he not drop 37? Yeah, he, he, hey, hey,

you ain't looked like you were hurting to me the way you were rolling out of the ground all that. That's like I didn't do the synopede. Next one, I'm gonna do the synopede. You can't do it. I do synopoepee. I might break dance. I got some of y'all.

Hey, I might be turbo and boogaloo shrimp. I got some for y'all. What you got, Ocho? You ain't got nothing for nobody. Hey, when we get back out there, when we get back out there, okay? I'm ready. I'm, I'm, I'm, boy, how y'all gonna out talk me? And I'm the original trash talk.

Y'all, y'all got a cool fight, you can't talk. Nightcap outside. Nightcap outside. For you guys that's in the chat that don't know what Ocho and Joe and myself for talking about. Go to a nightcap outside. We had some games.

We were the New York at the lawn club. And, you know, we had some games and, you know, everybody, you know, everybody gets to talking. I can do this, I can do that. Hey, and we're going to shoot dice, Ocho. Ooh, oh, oh. I know y'all. Hey, I want all that.

Who are you talking to? Who are you talking to? Hold on. What are we talking about? Silo? We play straight dice. Two dice. Two dice.

Oh, yeah. Yeah, y'all done. Y'all definitely done. Because that's what I do. Hey, Joe, I don't know if you shoot dice. You shoot dice? Really? I can show you, but I can tell you.

Yeah, all right. I'm trying to hit a leak. And bring you, hey, hold on. We ain't, we ain't shoot no dice without no money. Okay, though. Bring your money. I need, bring your money. I need no excuses.

No, hey, we don't need a little bank row or a big bank row. We don't need but a thousand. Whoever had, whoever had the most money at the end, that's who win. Okay, there we go. Say less. Y'all already. And I get to win some money.

I get to win some money, I get to win some money mess with you, boys. Hey, because I already know that Emmett Smith going to break the game up. What number of Emmysmill? That's the middle of, bad, bab, bab, bab.

Game gone. Okay. Because I know everybody will jump on that 10 or 4. Yeah. And Lejo, I'm back though little Joe all day long. Hey, speed limit, the old speed limit, that 55 will break up a game up quick. Because everybody

doesn't want to jump on that 10 or four with both. Hey, y'all doing a whole, yeah. Hey, boy, you boys in trouble. Y'all doing a whole lot of talking for people that are amateurs at shooting dice. That nine? How are you figure that in the world?

Y'all are amateurs that shooting dice. Hey, what Jesse James carried? 45. Bam, bam, bam, bam, bam, bam. Don't nobody move with me. Don't nobody move with me. Joe stay right with you are. Oh Joe, don't try to make anything sudden.

Let me get this money right quick. Oh, yeah. This is going to be a layup, fella. Oh, no. Oh, no. Yeah. Yeah. I like that.

You all already know my point. My point nine. Nah, my point. Nine. Nina Rouse. Nina Rouse. Born and 54 died in 63. What's my point, Joe?

Yeah, all right. Born and 54. Died in 63. I would get that jacket above you, Ocho. Hey, keep that same energy. Ooh, boy. If I could fit that jacket, Ocho head on another day, boy.

You can fit it, you can fit it. You can fit it. You can fit it. You could fit it. It was the X-L. You could fit it. Oh, yeah. I'd have got that up all.

Okay. But that's okay. Your day coming, no, Joe. Ocho, he can't win nothing else. You see how he's not going to win it. You know, hey, you know why you're not going to win nothing else? Because he's doing too much talking now.

Man, that's not what it. Oh, Joe, that's not what you do. You ain't no talk. Oh, Joe, I really did this from. bread and meat man if I didn't win I didn't eat that's what I'm trying you won't eat that you won't eat that day yeah you're gonna be you'll be sitting in the corner he'll be sitting in the corner oh cho man let you boy hold something that's all it's all it don't take you don't take me one little thing just to set me off and see one unc set me off

and they go y'all couldn't turn me off there I was old oh cho you see how oh oh uh uh uh tracy bargain did old boy with jose and let me give Yeah. Nope. Yeah. All that talking. Remember this. Hey, Chad.

We got another, we got another episode for y'all coming from. There you go. Look at it. You see it about Joe? I mean, I just said they're going to be entertained. They're going to be entertained. That's what they're real spicy. They want to be entertained, guys.

This is what we're here for. Yeah, I got hurt. You got hurt. Hey, boy, when I tell you, when I tell you I could slide, man, my knee, my blue is almost. pull my glute fooling y'all hey hey hey chat I'm gonna say one thing I ain't gonna bring it up no more okay Ocho I'm gonna leave it along but that move of the

rip boy ain't got nothing on what I did okay Ocho really that thing yeah you're there you see that you all right you all right you all right so man you need to do this now look at look at what he doing now is you know talking about okay hey oh see now we don't agree to the muscle Oh, done. We don't create a monster. It's dropping Tuesday after the Super Bowl, Ocho. Okay, okay.

What a perfect timing, boy. Hey, make me look good, now, make me look good. That's all right. Your day coming to Ocho. Yeah, no, your day coming, Joe. Your date, Ocho, your date been passed. I got another day cover, yeah, yeah, yeah. Ocho day been past.

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