Nightcap - Best of NFL News Part 1: Justin Fields LAST CHANCE, DeAndre Hopkins's DELUSION, Modern practice rules RUINING players

Episode Date: March 18, 2026

Shannon Sharpe and Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson bring you the Best of NFL on Nightcap, reacting to the shocking trade of Justin Fields from the Jets to the Chiefs. Unc and Ocho also sound off on DeAndre H...opkins throwing shade at the Ravens over his lack of production, while breaking down Maxx Crosby growing frustration and trust issues with the Raiders after a failed trade to Baltimore. Subscribe to Nightcap presented by PrizePicks so you don’t miss out on any new drops! Download the PrizePicks app today and use code SHANNON to get $50 in lineups after you play your first $5 lineup! Visit https://prizepicks.onelink.me/LME0/NI... 0:00 - Justin Fields traded to Chiefs14:47 - DeAndre Hopkins says he felt underutilized this season27:27 - Modern practice rules for rise in soft-tissue injuries47:32 - Seahawks DT Byron Murphy II with the Lombardi Trophy at his wedding (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:02:42 Stay for the story. The Chiefs found that new is backup quarterback to Patrick Mahomes today. They agreed to send a 2027 sixth round draft pick to the Jets to acquire Justin Fields. Fields wanted to continue his career in Kansas City, although there were other teams interested in acquiring him per Adam Schepter. To facilitate the trade, the Jets are paying $7 million of the 10,000. million guaranteed contract of 2026, Kansas City
Starting point is 00:03:13 will pay the remaining 3 million. Mahomes is rehabbing after having surgery in December to repair a torn ACL and an LCL in his left knee. Ocho, we were talking about this because the reports had come out that the Chiefs were possibly
Starting point is 00:03:28 interested in Russell Wilson. Now that we know they're going away from Russell Wilson and turn into Justin Fields, you like this? Are you surprised by this? What are your thoughts about this? I mean, I kind of like it because I'll go back to what did Justin Fields look like when he's with the Pittsburgh Steelers. What did it look like when he had an actual starting job? I don't want to base anything, a small symbol size.
Starting point is 00:03:55 What we saw Justin Fields with New York Jets, because nobody does well over there. Nobody does well over there because from top to bottom is not run the right way. But what is with the Steelers, a competent organization that is used to winning? Obviously, he looked somewhat good until Russell Wilson got healthy and then he had to sit down. If I'm not mistaken, Justin Field went four and two in the sixth game that he did start. So I think
Starting point is 00:04:19 with Andy Reed and B. Enemy and some of the weapons they do have over there, if Justin Fields has to be the quarterback until Pax Mahomes is healthy, I'm okay with that. Because I understand what he will look like when he has the right supporting Cassarani. Yeah, I mean, I like this. Andy loves mobile quarterbacks. Remember what he did?
Starting point is 00:04:37 Donovan was mobile, but then he Michael Vick, who was even more mobile than Donovan McNabb. Yes, yes. And he has success with that. So I'm not surprised. Obviously, Justin Fields is a lot more mobile than Patrick Mahomes, and he's going to be a lot more mobile than Patrick Mahomes coming off this knee injury. But I agree with what you had to say is that given this system,
Starting point is 00:05:00 given to Andy's quarterback whisper for the quarterbacks, it's hard for me to see that if Justin Fields has to play two, three games that he won't have a level of success. Understanding that, you know, hey, they do a great job of making sure you get the ball out of your hands quick. They run a lot of jailbreak screens. They believe they can run the ball a lot better to take some pressure off of the passing game.
Starting point is 00:05:22 That's why they went out and signed Kenneth Walker, K-9 in free agency to relieve some of the passing game pressure because the asthma holes to drop back and continuously to throw, throw, throw, you're putting yourself in harm's way. I don't think they're done yet, Ocho, they got a top. 15 pick and they got the 29th pick from the Rams. They got two first round picks. Don't know quite no other direction that they're going to head in and those. Do they trade both of those picks and move into the top 10, top five?
Starting point is 00:05:49 I'm not sure about that. But I kind of like this. But I will say this. If he can't have success here, where can he have success at Ocho? Well, listen, if going to Kansas City, if you look at the starting quarterbacks and obviously the backups that have been there that had to go in and fill in for the starters, they've always had success. They've always had success.
Starting point is 00:06:08 And Andy Reid will come. I'm not calling him the quarterback whisper, but all quarterbacks he's worked with and coach, they've all, they've all had success. So I expect him because of what he has around him to have success. And what I like about him is he can throw the ball, but he also adds the dynamic of being a dual threat as well. So I'm sure they're going to play to his strengths
Starting point is 00:06:26 to make sure he can keep that ship afloat while he's in. Well, that's what you're going to have to do. Obviously, defensively, we'll see what they're going to do defensively. They lost a lot of guys, both of the starting corners, starting safety. So that's three started off the defense. They restructure Chanel contract.
Starting point is 00:06:42 They'll probably do something with Jones' contract. Defensively, they're not the same. They don't get out there. They don't attack the quarterback the same way they once did. Spagg still wants to pressure when he feels threatened.
Starting point is 00:06:55 You get close to his end zone. He's going to bring pressure. And teams were prepared for that and they made them pay for some of that this year. But I like this Justin Fields. Hopefully he can figure it out. Because, look, we throw everything out the window that he did with the Jets because, like you said, the Jets are not a very well organization, and they don't have the best pieces around him.
Starting point is 00:07:16 Okay. We're going to throw out Chicago. At some point in time, we've got to stop throwing out stuff. At some point in time, hey, the baby just dirty. We can't just keep throwing our bathwater. It's not a baby dirty. Right, right. And in this situation, at some point in time, Moucho, we're going to have to say, hey, we're going to have to put some of this on Justin Field.
Starting point is 00:07:36 I agree. I think the Jets, I don't think the Jets did any favors. I think Chicago, there are some things that he could have done better, like understand protection and be able to redirect the protection so you don't become vulnerable.
Starting point is 00:07:53 If they don't do it, you should be well enough, thoughtful enough as a quarterback to say, hell no, y'all, listen this, nah, rip this. Hey, I want to be able to see or if it's a rip protection,
Starting point is 00:08:04 live it so I can see the blitz coming because I'm a right-hand. the quarterback. But at some point in time, we got to start holding these players accountable. We can't keep blaming organization, organization, organization. There are some bad run organizations. I will concede that. But you can't go to 15 organizations and say every last one of them are run poorly.
Starting point is 00:08:21 In some point in time, you're not doing your job. Yeah. I mean, I could only base it off what he did is the last organization he was at, where I thought he was going to, obviously, I don't have to look over my shoulder. Finally, I get a team where they have to worry about anyone taking my job. But unfortunately, that job was the New York Jets. And I'm not sure when the last time they've actually had success because top the bottom on, you know how it is.
Starting point is 00:08:47 I don't need to say anything. I mean no disrespect, no to anyone that plays for New York Jets. But it is what it is. It is what it is. So Justin Fields, seeing what he look like when he's with the Steelers, with a competent organization that has run the correct way from top to bottom. I saw what he looked like the small semi-sized. saw with him there. I know exactly what he's going to give you when he's where the Kansas City
Starting point is 00:09:08 Chiefs. And it doesn't take much because Andy's system is very quarterback friendly. You look at the success that Alex Smith had in that system. You look at Donald McNabb in that system. You look at Michael Vic in that system. My homeboy is an outlier. So he's going to look good in any system. That's Patrick Mahon. You can make a case that he's a top five, top six quarterback as we currently sit here and speak, Ocho. So he's an outlier. But if you look at other quarterbacks, Alex Smith was mobile. People, I mean, I I know, you know, you look at his bag and I thought he got hurt. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:09:38 He was mobile, Ocho. You watch him in San Francisco and how he can move. They would move the pocket with Alex Smith. Yeah. You look at him in Kansas City. They would move the pocket. He was very mobile. And so I think hopefully Justin Fields can have this level of success.
Starting point is 00:09:53 And you see what he did. Andy came there and you got my homes and then Alex Smith was able to go to the commanders and, you know, he ended up messing up his leg. But hopefully Justin. fields can have this level of success. I thought he could be good watching him at Ohio State. Sometimes you get a false sense because when you got five, six first round wide receivers, Ocho, you get a little false sense.
Starting point is 00:10:16 I'm like, well, damn, is he that good? But, you know, we look at what he was throwing to. He got a lobby and he got Garrett Wilson. And, you know, he got all those guys like, well, damn. But he's going to have to play better because I agree. I think, Ocho, people are more in your camp in the jails of a bad situation. Chicago didn't surround him with anything. Pittsburgh, he seemed to be heading in the right direction.
Starting point is 00:10:42 Yes. But they never committed. They committed to Russell Wilson. Russell got hurt in training camp. And, you know, Mike Tomlin never committed like, well, if Russell gets healthy, this is still Justin Field job. He didn't make that declaration. So I was surprised.
Starting point is 00:10:59 I think a lot of people were surprised that when Russ got healthy, that he went to Justin feels considering how well feels was playing. But this is an insurance policy. It only costs them $3 million. The Jets picking up, you know, $7 million of that of the $10 million that he's guaranteed. And so hopefully it works out for him this time around. Hey, listen, that's a good team to be around too.
Starting point is 00:11:22 That's a good team to be around. Obviously, that atmosphere, that winning atmosphere, and being able to learn behind the homes once he does get back just in case the opportunity presents itself again, but Justin Fields be the quarterback of a team somewhere else. Just being able to take some of the attributes that he's learned from Mahomes and that system will be tremendous for him.
Starting point is 00:11:45 But here's the thing, Ocho, you know this now. If you don't do well and end it system, they're going to say, yeah, it get tough down. It get tough after that. It gets real tough. It get real slim after that. Man, pojo.
Starting point is 00:12:06 Can we put this up? Yeah, we're going to put this up. up. I feel bad too. Feel bad for who? Joe. What happened? He up there at the game by himself.
Starting point is 00:12:19 He wasn't by itself? Yeah, it was. Hold on. Yeah, I'm going to let you, I'm going to let you argue with the mother of my child. No, no, no, no, no, no. No, no, no. See, there you go. Why are you trying to play, bring somebody else into this?
Starting point is 00:12:40 I'm a, hey, I'm going to let you argue with her. No, there. Ain't no arguing going to chat. Ocho, you see, Ocho, there's no need to be no discussion. Ocho, he knows with all his kids' birthday. He knows if he's out of town, he's going to contact them off and say, we need to move this up because I'm going to be out of town. How are you going to tell her what to do?
Starting point is 00:13:00 Well, she told you what to do. If she said, I need you here today, I'm here today. Okay, well, so what, but Ocho, you had made plans. Hey, Unk, I don't give a fuck about no plans. My motherfucking child birthday is here. Well, you should have did that. What you should have did that with Joe? I talked to Joe already.
Starting point is 00:13:17 What are you talking about? I talked to Joe earlier today. Now, y'all don't piss me up but my goddamn child. It's a birthday. Oh, Joe. Oh, Joe. How are you getting ticked off
Starting point is 00:13:30 because you put this, you put this request in for a month ago? Listen, man. I send that man his money for a ticket. Y'all acting like it's that goddamn serious. I said it's my child birthday. Anybody don't like it. You know what the F you could do.
Starting point is 00:13:42 Now that's the last I'm going to say about it. Oh, wait, wait, wait, I know I play around a lot. My child birthday is tomorrow. I have to get on the flight at 9 a.m. Therefore, a mama asked me to stay in town the day so you'll do some with her because I'm going to be going the rest of the week till Sunday.
Starting point is 00:14:02 That's all. That's all. Ocho. That's all? Oh, Joe. No, let me finish. I talked to Joe earlier today. I say, Joe, I'm not going to be able to make it.
Starting point is 00:14:12 Because I have obligations with the little one. They move what she had to do up because she has to prepare for a tennis tournament this weekend. That's all. Now, we make it a little bit more complicated than we should. Ocho, but nobody is saying. You're telling me about a basketball game versus my child's daughter, my daughter's birthday.
Starting point is 00:14:31 Ocho, you're the one that recommended you go to the game. He didn't broke the subject to you. I wasn't able to go to the game. Okay, Ocho. What are we arguing about? What are we arguing about? What are we arguing about? by staying for your child's birthday.
Starting point is 00:14:44 So why are we even making an discussion? No one is saying, Ocho, Ocho, now how are you going to go to a game? Hey, can I actually say something? When you have something to do important, do I say anything? No, I don't. I don't, I don't. So why y'all making it a big thing?
Starting point is 00:15:00 Ocho. Hey, we talk about a basketball game. Yeah, we, Ocho. But here, this is why, and chat, now you understand, this is why I don't commit. because things come up and to make that commitment, that's why when people say, Shannon, can you do this?
Starting point is 00:15:17 Shannon, can you go there? I can't commit because I got so many things going on that I don't know. So even though Shelly has my schedule six weeks, two months in advance, something might come up just like that. And I can't afford to ask somebody to do something
Starting point is 00:15:31 and then I back out of it. They have nothing to do anything at all right now. They have nothing to do anything. Hey, I need you here for your child's birthday we got to move it up. her birthday's tomorrow so we had to move back because I got flowers. Why you couldn't move it back? Moving back where?
Starting point is 00:15:46 The birthday. What is the birthday? How about her birthday's tomorrow? Okay. So I'm not here tomorrow. My flight's at night and tomorrow. Hold on, Ocho. Okay. How about this here? Happy birthday. Hey, hold on. Hey, matter of fact, matter of fact, I'm going to give me your number so you can explain to her.
Starting point is 00:16:05 No, Joe, that ain't necessarily. Ocho, why you got to do all this for me? Because we're making it more than what it really is. We talk about the basketball game. You act like I'm supposed to be at the goddamn White House or something. Oh, Ocho, come on, Ocho. Happy birthday. I was just saying, Ocho, come on, man.
Starting point is 00:16:33 But I understand Ocho. I understand. Hey, I don't play when it comes to my kids. I don't care what I got to do. I don't care. And anybody don't like it. You know what time it is. I mean, no disrespect
Starting point is 00:16:48 to the chat and you, I'm just saying some people trying to make jokes that he-he-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha-ha. Chad, what's your thinking, Chad? Y'all left Jones' stuff. Hey, she, how you still go? She's all right?
Starting point is 00:17:07 Hey, yo. Are you? As a matter of fact, as a matter of fact, give me, give me your child. Give me your co-parent number. I want to talk to her. Hold on, hold on.
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Starting point is 00:21:33 versus the bill saying, If the Ravens are in the market for a veteran-wide receiver, which I suspect they are, they should do a deal to bring DeAndre Hopkins back to Baltimore. What a catch this was. In response, D. Hopkins says, how many times after this do you think I was used in the red zone? When targeted, I'm still one of the best,
Starting point is 00:21:53 still one of the most productive, but never complain with my snaps and never will. Facts. DeHop, who's 33, finished the season with 22 catches, 330 yards than only two touchdowns. Ocho? I hate when they do this to us. Go ahead, go ahead.
Starting point is 00:22:10 Talk to you. I hate when they do this to us. Hey, chat, I hate when you reach your 30s, as great as DeAndre Hopkins was, as much as what I know he can do and provide for offense, especially one like the Baltimore Ravens and to be underutilized,
Starting point is 00:22:25 understanding how good he is in one-on-one situations and goal-line situations, 50, 50 balls turning to 90, 10 when it comes to him when it comes to making contested catches. All you got to do is just throw it in the vicinity. He has hands like Larry Friend Jeryl. I'm not sure what his drop rate is,
Starting point is 00:22:42 but I'm sure it's up there with some of the best in the NFL like Chris Carter and Larry Fing Joril. Once you hit your 30s, Unc, they continue to weed you out. Obviously, on the team. They don't use as much, obviously, because they more so use the young bulls and the young bucks that they do have.
Starting point is 00:22:59 but he's such an extreme talent. Even at 33, I understand the production that he can have, but it just, I hate that they weed you out. I mean, it happens to all of us, I'm Julio Jones, you know? I can go down the list of all the great receivers that were great at one time and they go to teams and they're underutilized just because of age. And that's the way they weed you out in general. And at some point, it's going to come to a point where the game is so young, where they're
Starting point is 00:23:29 there's no more opportunities left for you. Oh, Joe, you know this. Once you start going every year, it's year to year, you only going to be there one year. Yeah. The likelihood of them bringing you back. You saw what happened. He went to Kansas City and he went over here and he went over there.
Starting point is 00:23:44 He might as well get accustomed to if he wants to stay for an extended period of time. Yeah. Just says, you know what? I'm a hard gun. I'm here one year. It's a temp service. Anybody that's in the chat, nobody's temp service. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:23:58 You're there temporarily. he's going to be on these team temporarily. They're not looking for DeAndre Hopkins to be a long-term solution. Yeah. He might believe he can, and I don't have any reason to believe that he can. But I'm saying they're not going to give you those opportunities because they don't intend for you to be there after the time in which you are there, which is basically the football season.
Starting point is 00:24:18 Yeah, I hate that. It is what, Ocho, that's what it is. I know, I know. I hate the way that business works like that, especially when you have a player that is really good at where they're due. I mean, really good at what they do. and really good at what they've done. But again, the opportunities decrease, I hate that.
Starting point is 00:24:35 I hate that. If you give him the opportunities like he had when he was in Houston and put him in position to make those plays, he can still make those plays. But obviously, it's the way the business does most of them. I don't know if you're going to ever be the Ocho. They don't do that with,
Starting point is 00:24:48 they don't do that to Dante. They don't put him in position like he was in Green Bay because it's Pooka's team. Oh, yeah, yeah. They're not going to put him in that because even though we, even though Zayflowers is five, five, eight, five, nine, whatever the case, he's their number one receiver.
Starting point is 00:25:02 He's getting those opportunities. And the two tight ends, they're going to get second and third priority. And then probably Rashon Bateman, he's going to get fourth priority. So at best case, on the absolute best case scenario, D. Hop is the fifth option. Yeah, but see. And you already know the fifth option, don't you already know. Hey, very seldom.
Starting point is 00:25:21 Very seldom. But why even bring them in, huh? Why even bring them in? It makes no sense to me. Yeah, because they know they're not going to use him in the capacity that in order to maximize him, you're going to have to use him in the capacity. And I don't know. I don't think, look, he's saying use him in the red zone.
Starting point is 00:25:41 And I think he still can be a valuable option in the red zone. But they're more apt to run the ball. And when they do throw it, I mean, he had him a couple of times. I mean, Lamar missed him a few times. But for the most part, they're not putting him in situations where he can succeed. seed, which is the red zone. He's, oh, Joe, he's never been a guy that had blinding speed. So he's, he's, he's even less fast than it was when he came into the lead.
Starting point is 00:26:07 Right. But he still has great hands. He still has a huge catch radius. So that's why he's saying, give me in the red zone. Give me some opportunities. Let me high point the ball. Back shoulder me. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:26:19 All those things I can still do at an elite level. Go ahead, I say, and this is the difference between the Ravens offense and how you mentioned Devante Adams, right? He led the NFL in touchdowns, if I'm mistaken. Yeah, well, 14. Yes. They throw the ball so much over there. And Devante Adams is still so good.
Starting point is 00:26:35 Obviously, still the best, he's actually still the best route running the league. Honestly, he's throw a mom, Ross St. Brown in there as well, who's mainly in the slot. But when it comes to outside receivers and it comes to running routes, Devante is still that guy, which is why his numbers looked the way they did. And they throw the ball so goddamn much over there in L.A. So I think that also, it kind of hurts being the fifth. option down there in Baltimore. It does, but plus, you look at Matthew Stafford, how many back shoulders has he thrown to Calvin Johnson? So now he gets a guy that's not as big as Calvin
Starting point is 00:27:05 Johnson, but can throw the back shoulder. It's just automatic. Devonte is one of the back shoulders, best back shoulder catchers in all of football. Especially with Aaron Rogers. Him and Aaron? You can't stop it. Because if you're behind it, he's going to throw it over the top. If you're on top of him, he's going to throw it behind you. So I'm like, you're like, okay, well, damn coach what you want me to do. And like you said, he's still an elite route runner. Yes. He still can get done.
Starting point is 00:27:32 And, but it's, but they're two different receivers. People don't look at, people still believe that DeVante, that's why he's making max dollars. He's making $20, $25 million a year, $20 million a year. Because they still believe he's a viable option. That at worst case scenario, he can be a two,
Starting point is 00:27:53 possibly a one if Puka goes out. Remember at Jacksonville, Locho, he had three touchdowns. How many games do we see him with three, two touchdowns? I mean, he got 14 touchdowns, then he missed a couple of games.
Starting point is 00:28:04 Yeah. He's still the guy. He's still, he's a, some guys are just touchdown magnets. T.O. and Randy. Yeah, yeah. Chris Carter, Jerry.
Starting point is 00:28:15 Those guys, I get another guy, Antonio Gates. Man, I can never go like Gates. I don't know. I'm like, damn. I said, man, I'll be watching case. I'm like, well, damn. I had retired when he became what he became.
Starting point is 00:28:29 And I'm looking at him. I'm like, damn, they get the ball down to the red. They get down to the 10. They're throwing it to him. They're like, well, go get open option away. They run Zoro route. They run options. They run sticks.
Starting point is 00:28:40 They run choice. I'm like, well, damn. But some guys can just score, have that ability to just score the damn football. They have that ability, oh Joe. You and I were yardage guys. We're going to get yardage. We might have. six for a buck 20 and no touchdown.
Starting point is 00:28:55 Somebody else going to come along and have three for 75 and two touchdowns. But that's the way it is. I know he's frustrated. But once you start bouncing around, Ocho, he's in Kansas City. And you remember he was in Tennessee. Now he's in Baltimore. It's just a matter of, if I'm him, and I want to, you know, stay in the league. Would you hang it up?
Starting point is 00:29:24 Nope, not complaining. Well, he never complained before. Hell, D. Hop, don't even talk. That's what I'm saying. That's perfect. Unless you know him personally and you actually have a conversation with him, he reminds me a Troy Palomaloo or remind me a Chris Henry. You know, God, rest in peace.
Starting point is 00:29:42 Individuals that play the game and you never, ever hit him talk. I think the last time I heard D.Hop talk is seeing him in person. And then obviously when him and God damn DeAngelo Hall got into it. Was that hard? Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah. That's that practice, that's cribbing.
Starting point is 00:29:56 Oh, man. Hey, that's the first time I ever heard to be told. So, it looked. I think the wide receivers in that type of a system, the likelihood of them having, Ocho, they're not bad to have
Starting point is 00:30:11 no 10, 12 touchdowns like you see Devonte and some of these other receivers. That's not their offense. Their offense is not like that. Yeah. It's a spread-it-around offense. You know, the tight ends
Starting point is 00:30:22 might have between the two of them might have seven, eight touchdowns between the two of them. Zay might have four or five touchdowns. The back's going to have a couple of touchdowns. But they're not a guy. They're not like Devonte will have eight. One guy going to have 18 touchdowns. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:30:39 I mean that's not their offense. Right. And there's nothing wrong with that. Because if you think it had been interesting to see, give me when Lamar had 41 touchdowns. Let's see the distribution of how it was spread out. Because, you know, hey, somebody's going to have, when somebody, when the quarterback throws for a bunch of touchdowns,
Starting point is 00:31:05 somebody's going to have 15, somebody's going to have 14, 15 to 18. You look at when, when, you remember, Ocho, remember Joe Burrell a couple of years ago? Oh, yeah. We led the league, Chase had 17. Say it had 17, yeah. Hey, you ain't fit to have no, two guys with 17.
Starting point is 00:31:24 The quarterback going to throw for 70 touchdowns then. Yeah. So Andrews had 11, Baitman had 9, likely had 6. Wait, Bateman had 9 last year? Yeah. Ooh, that was a quiet 9. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:31:51 Damn. So you see one guy in double figures, one guy almost in double figures, and then you have 11, 9, 6, 4, and then it spread out, dumped down to the running back, you know, Henry might have had two and then Mitchell might have had one or two, something like that. So, look, I get his, I get his, I get his, I get his frustration. In our minds, we're the last, we're the last one to see it, Ocho. We're absolutely the last one to see it starts to dissipate.
Starting point is 00:32:20 We still, we still holding on, Ocho. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We still remember what we used to be, Ocho. Yeah. But, hey, but, you know what, even if he's a shell of himself, that shell of himself is still good. Yeah, it is. It's still good. And mentally, you feel like you can still do it.
Starting point is 00:32:35 You just understand, just give me the opportunities. Yes. Just give me the opportunities. Yeah. Why bring me in and not use me? What am I doing here? Veteran presence, leadership? Yep.
Starting point is 00:32:45 Come on. I don't want to steal money. I want to earn what you paying me. Hey. Ocho, you know, if we get older, you know, your boy used to, hey, I put the hammer down. You know what I'm saying? You know what I'm saying? I put the hammer down, Ocho.
Starting point is 00:32:59 Now I'd be sweating for no reason. I have this. Damn. I'm like, yeah. I mean, you know what I'm saying? Oh, Joe? You know, hey, it happens with you younger. Hey, now they're getting up, they're cleaning up the house.
Starting point is 00:33:18 They're washing a load of clothes. I'm like, well, damn. Y'all got that kind of injury? Yeah. I'm sprawled. Hey, Ocho. They got crime scene tape around me. I'm dead.
Starting point is 00:33:30 They watch two loads of clothes. They come up there cooking. They do it. Oh, man. I know I ain't the only one. Y'all laughing. I know I ain't the only one, chat. I just say it.
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Starting point is 00:38:18 but Aitman added that there is a tradeoff. Players aren't physically prepared to start the season. But some of it we have to do a lot with the reason I think so many injuries, especially early in the year. A lot of salt tissue injuries, a lot of muscle pulls. And things of that nature is that the players are just not able to train their way they once dead. They're not able to calish their bodies as easily. Now that their training is hard all that, but it's different training on your own
Starting point is 00:38:45 as opposed to being on the football field and practicing football. ball movements. Ocho, you and I been saying that. Now, see, we've been saying that. Yeah, same thing.
Starting point is 00:38:59 Same thing. He just said it in a different way. You know, obviously, I think they don't train enough. Again, he used the word I always use about being able to callus the body.
Starting point is 00:39:11 Being able to callous the body so it's able to withstand going from zero to 100 on game day, as opposed to the way practices are. they'd be half-ass and Joe. I mean, no disrespect to the way things are right now. But, I mean, call it spade a spade. It is what it is.
Starting point is 00:39:26 I don't think they practice the same way we used to practice back then. Obviously, injuries are going to happen. Injuries are going to happen. But they're happening now at an alarming rate, and there has to be something to it. I think it may be what they do in the off-season, maybe what they do in training camp, maybe it's not enough. But, I mean, with the way they've asked for a little bit more lenient, when it comes to the hours that are spent on the practice field,
Starting point is 00:39:50 I mean, this is what you get in a sense. Yeah. I'm just a firm believer. I agree with Troy. Our bodies were a lot more callous because we did a lot more. In the beginning, we would put you on the ground, but then you still thud it up as we kind of moved towards, got towards the middle 90s and things of that nature.
Starting point is 00:40:12 We thudded up. We didn't really take it to the ground, but your bodies got used to that. You ask these guys to go 50 miles an hour all week long and then come Sunday and go 100. That's hard. You've got to put that car to the test. At some point in time, you got to open it up, Ocho, to see what it will do. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:40:36 But they go out there, let's meet, let's walk through, let's meet, let's walk through. Ain't no damn meeting to walk through on Sunday. You got to put your, you got to put your body on. under the gun. If you want the body, if you want the body to respond to a certain nuke of stimuli, you got to put the body under that stimuli. Got to you.
Starting point is 00:40:56 Yeah. I don't get it. But they, you know, but they want to do high knee and A skips and B skips and they want to do all that skimps. And I get it on you. I get it. I get it.
Starting point is 00:41:06 Hey, but come on now. You play football. Yeah. Yeah. Football put wearing chair on your body. Yeah. It does. They put helmet on you
Starting point is 00:41:17 They put pads on you They tackle your ass to the ground And that nice speed And that high knee action I get all that But what good is that on show If your body As soon as somebody hits you
Starting point is 00:41:28 You shatter like ice Hit the floor Hey listen That's why they talk about It's kind of the same thing In basketball That's why they're talking about Man we need to cut it down
Starting point is 00:41:41 10 games off Yeah But They ain't gonna take 10 games With the salary off There we go There we go There we go.
Starting point is 00:41:48 There we go. So, you know, I agree with y'all, though. I just think, like Troy said, that their body's not as callous, you know, as it was back in the day. Like, bro, this is all we did. And, yeah, like nowadays, all you see is walk-throughs and playtime and practice. And then, like you say, when game time come, now you got to rev it up to this height that you ain't accustomed to getting it to. And this is what causes the injuries. Mm-hmm.
Starting point is 00:42:16 Yeah. We just, I mean, shit was live. I mean, we hit during the week. Nine on seven was real. We were pad. I mean, we had pads on Wednesday and Thursday, and you had on shorts and shoulder pads on Friday. That was my first three years.
Starting point is 00:42:36 That was my first three years. Even 707 on Joe, they thudded. It wasn't like guys touch you on the waist. Not. Oh, no, no, sir. Yeah. Hey, you called a comeback or you called something? The D.Bs came and they put them, putting them pads on you.
Starting point is 00:42:50 Square them up. Yeah. Yeah. You let you know I'm here. You got to get used to feeling that contact. But now that's not. And look, I get it. It's a different time now.
Starting point is 00:43:02 I think Coach Saban, I mean, maybe those old school college coaches did like what we did in the 90s coming on because Bill Davis ain't bulljad, bro. We were out there two and a half hours and we were getting it. And y'all know if you're in the South, you know it's hot. Oh, we. You know, it's hot. Hot, hot.
Starting point is 00:43:18 And somebody pass out, move, move the pile. They tend to him back there. We move up 10. Hey, if he got hurt on the defensive side, we moved back 20 yards. If he hurt on the opposite side, we moved up 10 yards. But you're not going to stop, nothing. Yeah, the show don't stop, boy. Man, we have guys having seizures.
Starting point is 00:43:39 He's going to be okay. He's going to be okay. Dude, foaming at the mouth and everything ain't going to choke. We ain't started no practice You break a leg Or some break a arm You ain't no practice Nah
Starting point is 00:43:54 Hey hey Hey we gonna come pat you on the helmet You okay Get you get the time Make sure you good That whistle blow Hey Y'all ever had teammates
Starting point is 00:44:04 Come in today They'd be like Hey Sharp Hey Ocho I ain't got it today I'm from fake me Anjury today I ain't got it today
Starting point is 00:44:10 Man No Joe My first year we did have a lot of guys because like I said, Coach Davis told us the first day we met, we had a big old meeting. Coach Davis said,
Starting point is 00:44:23 I got 60, 65 uniforms top. We had 110 guys. Coach Davis said, I got to trim the fat. I had never heard that saying before. Yeah. In other words, he only wanted lean meat. All that fat wasn't going to be there. So the first day,
Starting point is 00:44:42 before we even started practicing, We had 30 minutes of running, gassers. Ooh. Wait, hold on. Side line and side line or a goal line and the old line? Over was one. Over back. Right. Over back, over. Over. Over. Over. Over. Over. Over.
Starting point is 00:44:58 Twice. Twice. Twice. Then we started practice with calisthenics. Oh, y'all, okay, he tripping. And then we had a two-hour practice. Man, you ought to hurt all them cars cranking up in the middle of night, Joe, and Ocho. All you heard was. Footlock a slamming. Clunk, clunk.
Starting point is 00:45:17 Boom. A. T. Triple. That's a lot. Hey. Boy, look, they remind me a college man. I ain't never worked that hard in my life. Yes. Hey, the first 45 minutes to an hour practice, you don't even touch a basketball.
Starting point is 00:45:34 It's straight conditioning. Oh, okay. Oh, Joe. I'm talking about straight conditioning, medicine ball. I'm talking about we used to use a basketball, but it was halfway filled with water. Right. Like, man, we had all type of mind games.
Starting point is 00:45:48 We were playing, well, when you get the college boy, it got rips. But that's the thing. So what you wanted to do? The thing is that growing up, Ocho, we didn't have people. I'm sure it did. I didn't hear about it, but we didn't have the media like this. But you condition your body to the sun because you was out in the sun. You worked in the sun.
Starting point is 00:46:11 You played in the sun all the time. You went on no video games And then all of a sudden, you'll get your ass out there And triple degree heat For two and for five hours a day And gonna be okay. You have already conditioned your body
Starting point is 00:46:26 To get used to that level of heat. What? Ready for it, bro. Hey, you get dehydrated, you get woozy or, hey, Bill say, go sit up under the tree. Hey, son, you all right? Come on.
Starting point is 00:46:41 What don't you just, you were done for the rest of the practice. You better sit your ass off about five, ten minutes and get back in there. Shit. Look, it's a different time now. I understand. You can't practice like that because we still do it, we did bully in the ring.
Starting point is 00:47:01 We did halve-line. We did all that. I remember that. All that. Hey, Joe, I used to do a bull in the ring, Joe. Hey, what's the bull in the ring? That's the one where you lay down. Hey, no, you put one guy in the ring and everybody else circled around him.
Starting point is 00:47:18 And everybody got to know. And he just called a number, Joe. And you just got to keep turning right and round. You got to keep moving your feet, Joe. He called a number. He called a number and that dude come and charge him. Yeah. And move what you got to stop?
Starting point is 00:47:32 Yeah, you got anger. Joe, you got to anger down. I was, hey, hey, I'm the bull and I'm in the ring. Come on with it. Yeah. Ah. I used to do it with the D.Bs. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:47:46 You know, you know, physicality wasn't my strong suit, you know. Being strong wasn't my strong suit, Joe. But that goddamn bull in the ring, you used to get right. I ain't had no choice, buddy, get right, Joe. I had no choice. I had to anchor down, boy, I had an anchor down. But I'd be the first one to tell you, boy, that was not my strength, boy, at all. Like, no lack.
Starting point is 00:48:09 Oh, what did you look like in that bull in the ring? When it came to D.Bs and safety to me, I'll make them turn it down. I'll make them turn it all the way down. As anybody at Savannah State from 1986 to 1989, who beat sharp in Bullion the Reef? Who beat sharp in Oklahoma? I make them turn it down. None of them see it in me. None of them.
Starting point is 00:48:34 They won't. They won't know that smoke. Not one. One dude, he came from a junior college. Talking, hey, because I showed up late. I showed up late. I showed up my senior year. I showed up.
Starting point is 00:48:47 I already called Coach Davis. I said, Coach Davis, I would be late because I want to make an interest. Ocho, I was chiseled now. You know what I'm saying? Ocho, I was chills now. Yeah, yeah, yeah. 27, I probably showed up about five and a half, maybe 6% body fat. Yes, sir.
Starting point is 00:49:02 I've been in the sun. So. Okay. I'm in the sun. This is my skin right here. That's what I'm looking like. That's what I'm looking like, Joe and Ocho. I've been the son.
Starting point is 00:49:18 I've been in the son. I'll all sup alone. So when I get there, they say, man, this guy, this DB Sharp, man, he's talking crazy. I see, what he's saying? Yeah. He said, man, Sharp ain't going to get nothing on me. He can't out running. He ain't strong as me, and he can't out junk.
Starting point is 00:49:36 I said, okay. First day, hey, Bill said, hey, we're going to, We're going to see how tough everybody is today. So we get to practice. We get to practice. So I'm thinking, okay, we're going to, we're going to thud up. We're going to do it. I said, Coach Davis, we catch in the past today?
Starting point is 00:49:56 Coach Davis, say, hell, no, homes. It's nut cutting time. I called a trainer. I said, come take my thumbs up because I didn't want to mess my thumbs up. I said, take your thumbs up. I'm up first. Oh, when you grab in tight? I'm up first, yes, sir.
Starting point is 00:50:13 So what he got to do, they blow the whistle, you back pedal, hey, snap, hey, you back pedal, and then come. He backpedal, Joe Ocho, and like when he tried to come forward, he slipped just a little bit. And when he, by the time he got ready to get up, I had my knee in his chest. So I picked his head up with my knee. And I got him just like this here. Yeah. All your. Everybody hit me on my head.
Starting point is 00:50:58 I said, that's it. I'm done. You were done, huh? You said, you had to make a statement. Bro, you're not going to. How you just got here? Do you know, bro, you're going to come here and try to show it and talk records to me? Right.
Starting point is 00:51:19 Honestly, I tried to kill him. I tried to put him through the ground. He ain't never, he ain't never say anything else to me. After that, it was a rap, huh? Nothing. Like I said, like I said, I tell anybody that went to Savannah State or know somebody to witness Savannah State,
Starting point is 00:51:38 asking him about Sharpe and Bulletin the Ring of Oklahoma. I guarantee you won't even say, man, man, somebody such and such a guy. I guarantee you won't find nobody to tell you they beat me. Why didn't play? Hey, Joe My favorite one I wasn't good at bullying the ring
Starting point is 00:51:57 But when it's time When it's time for one-on-one You don't got to play Oh come on come on up here Joe I take a rap Joe And when my rep over Somebody else would go Normally it's TJ
Starting point is 00:52:12 Tj would go I jump right back in line Joe I take all the one-on-one Rep Joe Hey I meant it was it was so funny is like I enjoy that. That was my only time
Starting point is 00:52:23 where I got to work with the number ones. I got to work with the number one DBSs because obviously once you go to seven on seven and you go to 11 V-11
Starting point is 00:52:30 is scout team. So I wanted, I wanted my number one DVs that I would be facing you know, Jonathan Joseph, Delth and O'Neill Torrey James.
Starting point is 00:52:38 Oh, you know, Delta, I played with Delta, I played with Tori. Oh, you did? Remember Jeff Burst? Remember Jeff Burr? I'm from Notre Dame, right?
Starting point is 00:52:46 Yeah, yeah, yeah. I didn't play with him, but Tori and Delta was with me in Denver. Oh, yeah. In Denver? Yeah, yeah, Joe. So that was my time to get my best work in, Joe,
Starting point is 00:52:54 because I don't get to see them boys during practice. Yeah. Yeah, man, I'm talking about Joe. I still, if we, if, if, if goddamn one-on-one was 10 minutes, Joe, I got about nine minutes worth of 101. I took all. I took all the red. I was in the league.
Starting point is 00:53:08 When I was a wide receiver, we had a drill, so you had to, like, start, you know, you tried to, so they had a dummy back there. So the DVD trying to start, and he tried to push through you to touch the dummy. Mm-hmm. you know, they're like, man, who will go against Sharp? So, you know, I'm a rookie.
Starting point is 00:53:28 You know, everybody's like, I'm going to go against the rookie. Yeah. I said, in my head, they think I'm so. So, you know, hey, I stalked and everything. I hold him off. And, you know, I let him go. And the DB, he touched the dummy. I say nobody else will ever touch this dummy.
Starting point is 00:53:55 Yeah. I tell you what, go ask anybody when I was a wide receiver, my rookie year, from that point on, did anybody ever touch that dummy again? Well, you were dragging them to the ground up? You got to come through me to touch the dummy. You can do whatever you want to do. You can shake and do whatever you want.
Starting point is 00:54:14 I just can't let you touch that dummy because the dummy is the running back. Right. You was doing security. And then he got mad because what I did, he shouldn't have touched the dummy because I had them gave up. And so we went to run on one drill. I beat him.
Starting point is 00:54:41 And you know what I used to hunt, Ocho? When somebody clicked the back of your heel and it tied you up and you fall? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He did that issue on purpose. Mm. You fell? You slap him in the helmet?
Starting point is 00:54:57 Did I? I tried to slap his face mask off. No, you did it on purpose. I know you did. I don't play like this. If you beat me, you beat me. I'm mad enough to say good job. Hey, we're going to say, we were getting an opportunity to do it again,
Starting point is 00:55:16 but I don't play that cheap stuff. Yeah, I don't do that cheap stuff. Yeah, tripping me because you got beat. Yeah. Yeah. It happens. Oh, you got a real. He's a pro too.
Starting point is 00:55:28 He's getting a check. Joe, he's getting a check. Yeah. But don't do nothing dirty because, hey, I ain't going to stop. One of us got to go. Oh, them so good days. But I agree with Troy Ocho and Joe. They don't callous their bodies like we once did.
Starting point is 00:55:49 And you see a lot of these, Andrew, you see a lot of hamstrings, you see a lot of groin's, you see a lot of calves, you see a lot of soft tissues because your body. isn't used to that kind of torque under that kind of duress. You've got to get your body used to it. It's just like anything. If you want to go out there in the sun, you just can't say, you know what, Ocho? Man, I'm just going to go out there in the sun.
Starting point is 00:56:11 That sun don't play. That, you know, a drain. But I was used to that. I worked outside. I've never had an inside job until I retired from the league. All my jobs required me to be my half my black ass outside in the sun,
Starting point is 00:56:26 in the cold, in the rain, it didn't matter. So I was used to conditions and elements. You ain't used to it and say, you know what? Yeah, I'm going to go out there and I'm going to practice. It's going to be 100 degrees. What? And when we were in high school, Ocho, y'all had two days in high school? Yes.
Starting point is 00:56:45 Yes. Yeah, always. So we have two days. I couldn't miss no work because, you know, I wasn't known. I had no salary joke. You didn't show up to work. You didn't have paid. I told them, I said, hey, y'all want me to play?
Starting point is 00:56:56 Y'all need to have practice. before I got to go to work, I got to be to work at seven o'clock. Guess what time we got practice? 515. Or Shannon Sharp ain't coming because Mayor Porter ain't fin to have me out here practicing and missed this $16 work. Yeah. No, sir.
Starting point is 00:57:15 No, sir. So you got a choice. We can practice at 515. Hey, I get you a good hour to half and I get to work at 7. Or Shannon Sharp ain't coming. It's really that simple. See y'all come when the season started. Man, why we got to practice?
Starting point is 00:57:35 Why we got to practice at 515? Because I'm him and you're not. That's why. Straight up. Straight up. Yeah. But them were the days, Ocho, that was like, shh. Hey.
Starting point is 00:57:49 Ocho, think about it. You go to practice and then go to work. Yeah, that's, that's great. At a young age like that. And then you get lunch, then you go back to work, and then you got practice that evening. Yeah. Man, please.
Starting point is 00:58:09 Ocho, check this out. Seahawks Super Bowl champion Byron Murphy was walking around with the Lombardi trophy at his wedding this weekend. Let's take a look at the video, y'all. Hey, that's dope, huh? I think they're starting
Starting point is 00:58:37 to treat the Lombardi trophy like they do to Stanley Cup where everybody get an opportunity to keep it for a date? Right. I like that. Was that the actual trophy? Or you think that was the actual?
Starting point is 00:58:49 Okay. Hey, that's live. Yeah, so, you know, ain't nothing left for me to do. Hey, I have a question. Ain't nothing left for me to do, but go on to get, hey, call to do that thing on Cho. Hold on. See, that's what I, that's what I understand. So those are replicas like you have, right? No, you, uh, look, uh, John got the OG, uh, most people get the little minis.
Starting point is 00:59:19 Right. But me. I'm, I'm, what, what those run on? I don't know. This was gifted to me. You know what? I'm going to get me one of the made, too, in gold. I'm going to get one of, I'm going to get one of, I'm getting one of, I'm going to get one
Starting point is 00:59:36 the made in gold, man. Yeah. I'm, I'm, yeah. What made in gold in the Lombardi is silver? The same way I got my bus in gold, and the bus is, is bronze. Bronze. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:59:47 So I want everything to be gold. The one that they keep, give you is made out of wood. The one that they put in the hall. It is. The one that it's. The one that's in the hall is the bronze was. The one that give you is the wood. But I'm going to donate mine to Savannah State.
Starting point is 01:00:02 For real? Yeah. And my jacket. Okay. Because I ain't got my one jacket. What I'm going to do? Get one jacket to the kid. Give one jacket to the kid.
Starting point is 01:00:12 Give a Hall of Fame ring to a kid. Nah, that's going to go to Savannah State. I'm going to get a ring, the jacket, and the bus to Savannah State. The kids get enough stuff. Trust me. They get enough. They'll be okay. Yeah.
Starting point is 01:00:23 They'll be okay, Ocho Yeah So that's what I'm gonna do I'll have my Super Bowl trophy at my wedding Who are all coming? Hey, we, we get married next year on? Yep We gonna do the dual wedding or no?
Starting point is 01:00:42 We can do that? You know we get a discount. Yeah, but you know right now, Ocho, I've come to the realization I'm done being with somebody that I have fun with. Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute.
Starting point is 01:00:59 This is the very, this is the very pivotal moment. Yeah. Like, I like where you going. Wait, wait, let me get comfortable. Now, talk to me. I found somebody that I can, I can suffer with. I can endure with. Because you can have fun with anybody.
Starting point is 01:01:12 Right. Come on, man. You can have fun with anybody. Take your tag. Say you're going to the Mawfi coach. Say you're going to Tahiti. Say you're going to Santerini, Amikonos.
Starting point is 01:01:22 Bali. You'll have fun. Right. when you come to suffering, when it comes to enduring. Come on now. Who you want to do that with? Who would do that with you? I got a question, though.
Starting point is 01:01:41 I got a question. Now, when you say you found someone you can suffer with, you got somebody you can have fun with. You know what that's like. Yeah, yeah. You know what it's like when the sun is shining. But when it's cloudy and it's storm and it's raining, they got the umbrella for you.
Starting point is 01:02:00 Yes. How you even got to that point to realize that? Because most of the time, when it's storming and thunder, when it's thunder and lightning, most of the time everything goes this way. Because when you laying there and she said, baby, I'm counting your breath. Breathe.
Starting point is 01:02:27 Nobody else has ever done that. Come on, man. I don't know this ain't this ain't this ain't yeah this is this uncle don't your last ride right right right right right hey yeah I like that huh listen I'm busy the kid and Jesse James we're going out one last ride bam bam bam bam bam bam bam bam bam bam bam bam bam bam bam bam bam bam bam bam bam bam bam bam bam hey I like that I never heard that one before I never heard that before I like that like most of the time you know my grandma always say find someone
Starting point is 01:02:59 find someone that's willing to unpack your baggage because we all got it. We all come with it. Yeah. We all do. The hard part is finding someone's baggage to unpacking. Most of the time, once you unpack it, when things go rough,
Starting point is 01:03:12 uh, ah, you know, you pack day sitting, you try, you try on, you keep moving on and thinking something else is better. Yep.
Starting point is 01:03:20 That's always been my thing, Ocho. You already thought something else was better? Because that's what made us who we are. Yeah. Even though when I made the pro boat, I thought I could be better. Even when I made all pro, I thought I could be better.
Starting point is 01:03:31 Even when I had a thousand yard season, I thought I could be better. A double-digit touchdown season, I could be better. It was always when you're satisfied as a person you threw as an individual. So I was always trying to see to get better, to get better, to get better. Nah. You're done. You're waving a white flag, huh? I can be, yeah.
Starting point is 01:03:53 Yeah. I can still search for greatness and be content. I like that. So you got to search for that greatness in other area. Other aspects of your life. Yeah, for sure. Hey, that's a good thing, man. I'm glad you got that piece of the puzzle filled in, man.
Starting point is 01:04:09 I like that. Yeah, yeah. Hey, I like that. And, you know, she don't know what the old she was like. Okay, okay. You know what I'm saying? Okay. You don't know.
Starting point is 01:04:19 The old shay used to go double over time. Now she didn't get the first quarter. She didn't get the first quarter on show. Hey, I get the first. Hide up. I got I put up up
Starting point is 01:04:32 I put up a quick tin yeah you're done she ain't know I used to get a 40 point triple double
Starting point is 01:04:38 oh yeah hey I got I got one more question huh what that one more question
Starting point is 01:04:44 not this is this is for me this is my therapy session because I like when we get on topics like this
Starting point is 01:04:49 right yes is there ever a timetable to decide when you know that's the one yeah I think it is, though, Joe.
Starting point is 01:05:02 Six months, a year, two years. I don't know if there's a time. I mean, I think you have a feeling, and you're like, okay, when things go, you've got to go bad. Because when it's going good, when everything is good, and you're flying everywhere and you buying everything, and by the time, you buy this purse and that purse, yes, sir. You give this and you give that. Yes, sir. Okay, when it goes bad.
Starting point is 01:05:29 Come on, man. It's bad. And I ain't, hey, I ain't been to beat you down now. but we're going to have a conversation. Just so you know, we're going to have a conversation. We're going to talk. Yeah. Okay.
Starting point is 01:05:44 Hey, I didn't, hey, I get, I get frustrated, right? I'm at that point now when things are great. Oh, when it's great, it's great. Yes. And I avoid those conversations. I avoid those tough conversations because I, what's the word I'm looking for? I love, I love my peace. I'm not one that, I'm not one that really likes chaos.
Starting point is 01:06:06 now at my big age. So therefore, when I, when I see chaos, I kind of go into a shell. Right. And it's so funny when I'm happy, I'm a talker. Actually, I talk too goddamn much. And when I shouldn't be talking, I shut down instead of having those tough conversations that I should have. Yeah, I don't like having tough conversations either, I don't.
Starting point is 01:06:29 I got to work on that, man. Yeah, I do. Everybody got to, because I don't, I don't, I don't want to hurt anybody's feeling and it's just easy. I don't want to talk about it. You're right. Hmm. Um, it ain't easy though, Ocho.
Starting point is 01:06:46 Yeah. Damn show not easy. Yeah, but who you tell you, what? What are you telling, what you tell? It's a lot of work, Angus, a lot of work, huh? And sometimes I think to myself, sometimes I think to myself, if things are supposed to be this way, why does so much work? Mm-hmm.
Starting point is 01:07:02 Why does so much work? Is it natural? It is supposed to be this way. I mean, I mean, I, it's, there's so, it's so, it's so, it's so, it's so many unanswered questions, you know, and I don't know. I just... Sometimes, Ocho, you can work like... And the reason why I equate a lot to sports is because I was good at it and I worked at it. And I, it's like, you know what? If I work at this, I can change this and I can be good at it. You can work for years and your relationship might
Starting point is 01:07:33 not even get any better. Because the question is, is you working as hard as you are? That's a good one. Are you working for the same goal? Because sometimes we get into an argument, Ocho, me and you argue. Yeah. So no, no, no, no. It ain't me and you. It's me and you versus the problem.
Starting point is 01:07:55 There's a difference. We arguing amongst each other. We go back and forth. But the problem's still there. How about you and I double team this problem? Right. What caused this? And most of the time the problem is me.
Starting point is 01:08:16 Yes. A lot of times, a lot of times the problem is us. A lot of times is the situation where I'm gonna get, just tell me, if you want something, if you want to do something, I don't like to have to figure it out. Figure it out. You know. Right, right, right. What you want to do. Right. Just tell me. Because uncommunicated expectations will ruin a relationship. Because you have an expectation and you don't communicate what those expectations are. You assume I'm supposed to know. I have expectations. I assume you're supposed to know because you're at an age, you've dated before.
Starting point is 01:08:54 Yeah. You've had been in relationships before. You've been in long-term relationships before. Why do I need to walk you step by step? You wasn't a long-term relationship. You just wasn't in it with me. So I need to tell you what I expect from you. You need to tell me what you expect from me.
Starting point is 01:09:10 So if we communicate these expectations, we're on the path to going somewhere. but when you don't have when you have uncommunicated when you don't tell me what you expect I don't tell you what to expect and then I'm swole because you didn't do what I expected you to do when you didn't tell me and that's one of the worst things
Starting point is 01:09:29 with marriages with relationships with friendships is that one word that one word don't because we expect certain things yes you have a title once a title comes to anything
Starting point is 01:09:42 with the title comes expectations most of the time when they come of humans, we always fall short. Yes. Human error is inevitable, no matter what aspect of life you're in with those expectations. Then it becomes you trying to become somewhat of a character to meet the role that they won't. And that's hard because you're not even being yourself. Nope. You have to change who you are to meet someone else's expectations. How do you change? Because here's that you got to be
Starting point is 01:10:09 careful. Because changing who you are, you lose who you are. But that's what expectations are. Because you can't be your true self. It's impossible to be your true self if you're supposed to meet someone else's expectations. That's not even originally you. You have to be the version of the way they view you. You have to be. There's perception and there's reality. A person's perception of you is their reality.
Starting point is 01:10:40 A person's perception of you, that's their reality. But that's not always the truth. So now how she perceives you, that is her reality. That could be the farthest thing from who you actually are. And which is normally the case, 98% of the time. Women fall in love with the idea that they have in their head of you, not who you truly are. Of who they think a man should be, what he should do. You should open the door.
Starting point is 01:11:08 You should buy candles. You should buy cards. You should be thoughtful. You should write poetry. That is the perception of what they think. that ain't who I when did I ever give you that give you that impression
Starting point is 01:11:20 that was who I was this ain't no harlequin novel this ain't no hallmark movie yeah this ain't no the notebook hell no but I like it though damn the notebook this ain't in the tablet but you know what I do like
Starting point is 01:11:34 I love becoming a better version of myself for the individual that you need in whatever way they do yes how do I become that version of me or the version of in which you view me as. How do I become the best version for you without losing me? Me.
Starting point is 01:11:57 Because most of the time, one of the hardest things to do, the two hardest things to do, chat, you've heard me say it before, two of the hardest things to do is to hit a baseball. Yeah. And to keep a woman happy long term. Yeah. Because in turn and trying to keep a woman happy long term,
Starting point is 01:12:14 you have to lose a sense of self. You do. But men are willing to do that. How many times the man says, well, you know, this is what she wanted. She don't want me to go out with my Ocho. Ocho, I got to cut back. She don't want me to drink. I got to cut back.
Starting point is 01:12:26 She don't want to be over the time of my in-laws? Yes, sir. What do women say? I would like this when you met me. You ain't have a problem with it. You see, men are willing to change. For the woman that a man loves, he will change. That Joe will cut off his family.
Starting point is 01:12:44 He'll cut off his friends. Yes. do whatever to make her happy. It goes back to biblical. Yeah. Samson told Delilah where it strength lied for a reason. Adam, you know, Adam did what he did for a reason. David did what he did to Beth She was hooked for a reason.
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