Nightcap - Best of NFL News Part 1: Keon Coleman DRAGGED by Bills Owner, Cowboys HIRE new DC

Episode Date: January 24, 2026

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson deliver the Best of NFL as Unc and Ocho react to Buffalo Bills owner Terry Pegula publicly blasting rookie Keon Coleman over his poor play. Later, Unc and Ocho go over the latest coaching hires and more! Subscribe to Nightcap presented by PrizePicks so you don’t miss out on any new drops! Download the PrizePicks app today and use code SHANNON to get $50 in lineups after you play your first $5 lineup! Visit https://prizepicks.onelink.me/LME0/NI... 0:00 - Pegula puns Keon Coleman pick on Doug McDermott, Backs Beane17:43 - Pegula address reason for firing McDermott31:44 - Jeff Hafley hired as Dolphins Head Coach43:52 - Cowboys hire Christian Parker as DC (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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especially defending the controversial decision to draw Kian Co. Coleman was selected by Buffalo with the 33rd overall pick in the 2024 draft, but has underperformed thus far in his two seasons. Let's take a listen to what Mr. Bagula had to say on Keon Coleman. Yeah. I mean, can I interrupt? I'll address the Keon situation. Uh, the coaching staff pushed to draft Keon.

I'm not saying Brandon wouldn't. have drafted him, but he wasn't his next choice. That was Brandon being a team player and taking advice of his coaching staff who felt strongly

about the player. And, you know, he's taken for some reason heat over it and not saying a word about it, but I'm here to tell you the true story. also before you go now if you go back and look at the NFL network cut up

Brandon Bean is saying I'm glad he ran 457 that means he'll be there when we select now that's what he said that's if it's a lie he told it but you see now there Vic Carucci and I know Vic Vic said there was a meeting about a month ago Mr. McGuller Brandon Bean Sean McDermott he They asked Sean McDermott. Now, this is what's being reported. I don't know I weren't there. What's being reported is that he, Sean McDermott says,

I don't think we have enough right now to win a championship. And in the process of saying that, because I'm trying to, now, since he drafted Josh Allen, Brandon Bean has selected two Pro Bowl players. To Dionne Dawkins. James Cook, Dawson Knox. Dionne. Oh.

James Cook, Dawson Knox. He selected 56 players. That's not a good ratio. No. Oh, Cho, I don't think I've ever heard an owner. Ever, ever. Joe, ever. You don't, you don't do, you don't, you don't do your young players like that.

You don't come out and say some of the things you just said like that. Now I understand the onus also in being responsible being on time knowing your routes be not missing meetings whatever it may be whatever reason they had to make you a healthy scratch you can control absolutely but if you were doing your end not only in meetings not only at practice then we wouldn't begin to a part where your owner comes out saying stuff like this because they see you as a valuable asset to that team. So when they don't see you as a valuable asset, this is the kind of bullshit you got to deal with,

which rarely happens. Conversations like that, Joe, like, what we heard today or what I'm just played, that's the stuff that goes on behind closed doors. Those are the things that are said behind closed doors. You never hear about it. The public never gets to hear it. I think we saw a small example of it with Jerry Jones this year,

obviously with the Michael Pars and stuff. You saw a little bit of it creep out a little bit. Actually, an owner actually saying how they truly feel, but now owners are, or getting a little, not a little brazen, you know, and letting people know how they feel about certain players. You like that, no, Jojo?

I love it, aunt. I told you that. I told you we need to have more people like Jenny Bus. You need to come on that. Yeah, you know what? I said it. That's how I felt at the time. I was angry.

I was upset. You know what? Is anything I could do about it? Can I take it back? No, I can't. Mr. Bean, Mr. Begoula. That's how you feel about Keon. Okay.

say less, either gonna keep him or you're not. But I'll tell you one thing, I'll tell you one thing. You let him go, you're gonna regret it. Maybe that the chip he might need. That's what I'm saying. Yeah. Maybe that might be the chip he might need, huh? Yeah. Joe, sometimes it's a wake-up call.

Because if I'm hearing that, if I'm hearing that, if I'm Keon and I'm hearing that, I'm like. Come on, man. Hey, Joe, it's a good thing. They bench, hey, Joe, they bench, oh, they benched bright young. Last year, right? Well, he came back strong.

Well, when he came back from that bench, What'd he look like? You're stepping on stuff. Stepping on it. Come on, Stop playing. Man, listen. Another, a small example.

Some people might not believe it. Some people might not believe it. They benched to her. I just have a feeling and a gut, just a gut feeling inside of me. Hell, he gonna go somewhere else. And he's gonna ball lady. And he's gonna ball. And the situation might be predicated for him perfectly.

I just think it might happen. Keon Coleman, fuck him. Come on down here in the off-seat and holl at your boy. Yeah, hey, hey, go see Ocho. Ocho, y'all, you gotta get your hands. Oh, man, listen, hold on. Joe, I, we, hey, he didn't know, I'm already in his hip pocket.

He didn't hit you already. Hey, I'll come down there and run some routes with y'all, man. You gotta get him right, Ocho, okay, let him. Hey, Joe, eh, that guy. Where are you from? Where are you from? I'm not sure, I'm not sure what Keon from. He wasn't sure.

So he might be from Michigan somewhere up in Michigan. Yeah, because he went to Michigan State. He was at Michigan State at first. He's from Louisiana, Ocho. Yeah, he's from the boot. Okay, okay. Oh, he's from the boot. I mean, he already got that dog in it.

They breed him like that. Yeah. Ocho, you got to teach him how to be a pro Ocho. I got him. I got him. I got him. I got him. A professional with a pro is two different things.

A professional is your occupation, PRO is how to be a pro is. how you go about your business. Yeah. Now, that telling that joke, they was laughing on your, remember, you got them coaches from Marshall and H&M, you know, I play a little golf.

All I do is play football, go home, play golf. I'm Tiger Wish you could, not Tiger Woods. Okay, that's fine and it good. Right. You're telling all them jokes and everybody kick, kick in, get your ass on the field, you better ball out. Right. Yeah, that's it.

That's it. I know a guy that was funny. That joke all the time. Oh, yeah. He was a class clown. With a seventh-round drive-pick, Joe. Hey, I had a joke for the ad. Hey, uh, I could tell you another one that was funny, too.

And he was entertaining, Joe. Hey, he ain't take the game serious and he ain't followed their NFL rule. He marched by the beat of his own. Who is it? Who is it? Who? Shit, boy, boy, you looking at him, boy? Huh?

Hey, hey, hey, um, but listen, the NFL was my playground and I'm going to play it the way I want to. I don't care what you should. say but when it came time to do things right the things that require you being a pro yes being on time sure enough of meetings practicing her hey joe i ain't this shit you first one now oh man who what joe i lived in the stadium in the way in the way road man that's the that's the kind of hey joe that's the kind of locked thing i was i was a little bit crazy i was a little crazy yo they called me can't get right joe that's what i was joe hey hey real talk real talk

When I was in college, Uncle Ocho, I lived, I slept in the gym for real. We had a lounge and it had like, that's when you had the big flow models, flat screen TV, the big. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Man, I used to, hey, I had my video game hooked up on that joint. I slept in the lounge, bro, and just go out and shot, basically taking naps and just waking up, going out there, you know, working on my game. I was in college, I lived in the gym, bro.

Yeah. Hey, eh, Uncle Joe, Keon got a love his game, man. He got a lot of game. you love the game Joe, when you love the game Joe and you pour into that motherfucker, Joe, it gave you all, it all come back to you on Sundays. It all come back to the results show up on Sundays. I'm talking about what nobody's looking. Joe, you got to pour into your craft, Joe and Uncle.

Oh, Joe. When you pour into your craft, not when they tell you you got to go out and train, when you're not even supposed to be doing it. When nobody's watching, when nobody's looking and you just working on it. and you hone in it and you sharpen it. The results show up on Sundays. And before you even get to Sunday, I want Kea R. Coleman to get to a motherfucking point in the offseason

where he gets into a building, whether it's in Buffalo or whether somebody else, where he gets in a building and he makes everyone else and job easy. But God damn, who is this? Yeah. Well, who is this? Now everything flips. You're now more valuable to them as opposed to the opposite way. They can't talk shit about you because now you're on your shit.

All your eyes are crossed. I mean, all your eyes are dotted and all your teeth is crossed. Now you got to do and go out there and play football. Got that. That's it. Bro, you got to have that discipline, bro. I always, I used to ask guys when I would talk to guys, I don't get an opportunity to talk to very many guys now.

I say, I want to know one thing. Do you love the game or do you love what the game can provide? Oh, man. That's all I need to know. Because if you love the game, everything that you think the game can provide, it will. And plentiful. Hello.

In abundance. But if the only thing that you love is what the game can provide, it won't be long. Right. It won't be long. You get exposed, I'm. You get exposed real quick. You forget. You forget what got you there.

You forget what got you there. The hard work, dedication, the late dark nights. Because, see, once you come into this, Once you come to being a professional and you get, you start to make all this money, man, you start to do things that probably you normally wouldn't do. But as a youngster, we know you're going to make mistakes, but we got to try to minimize those mistakes. But you got to have a love and passion to naturally want to get better, bro.

That's the only way you're going to improve. If I got to always tell you or Keon, if I always got to tell, hey, man, come on, man, let's go work out. If I got to always do that, shh. I'm going to go so far, brother. You got to be there. I can't want it for you. Nobody. I can't want it more than you do.

No. I can't. It'll never work. It had never worked. And listen, Unk, I didn't send a DM to all the young ones now. I didn't send a DM to all the young. But young, you're laughing. Kiann already talked to him.

Xavier Layett already talked to him. Roma Dunzee. Man, Luther Burden. I'm talking about, I didn't went through all 32 teams here. Everybody's saying year two and three. Man, come on, man. Yeah, I'm going to come out. Hey, hey, let me some of them ladder drills with y'all.

Man, let's let's work, man. Let's politic. Let's talk. How do we get you going back to your team completely different? Completely different where you're now more valuable to them. God, God, you mean, we, hey, hey, eh, what do you mean? We don't have to put him in motion? No.

We don't have to condescent split. I mean, just all around your game can evolve. fast in just though just two three months that's all I need yeah two three months how you see in the game different hey hey there's got to be you know you got to look

at maybe who the people are hanging around too Ocho you never know you know it could be deeper than just the game bro just keeping it 100 you know what I mean that's why I take my hat off to the greats because if you look at anybody that's been great Tom Brady paid the game like he was still that six round draft picking he was broke

Peyton Manning was the number one draft pick Holly saw that though But he played the game like he was broke Jordan played the game like he was broke Kobe LeBron All these guys played the game like they were broke They put the time in year after year In order to be great

Some people are boring great Some people have greatness thrust upon them It does not matter It only matters what you do with that greatness Theodore Roosevelt Some people are boring great Some people have greatness thrust upon them. What are you going to do, Ocho?

They're going to be all right. They say, Ocho, your famous quote says, insanity is doing the same thing over and over and hoping for a different result. I did the same thing over and over hoping for the same result to be successful. That's why I trained the way I trained. That's the way I ate the way I ate.

That's why I did what I did because I wanted the same result. All pro, pro bowl, Super Bowes. Why deviate? Mm-hmm. I'm not saying, be you. Because at the end of the day, I'm me. Mike asked me one time, he's like 84.

Why you, why you not calm like TD? Because I ain't TD. That's me. Yeah. The greatest compliment that I probably was, that I got from my teammates and a lot of the coaches, that's the 84 when you was gone, we were miserable. Mm.

all of a sudden it became a job. It wasn't fun anymore. And you heard John said, you kept the locker room, you got them going. I kept some bulljib going. That was me. But when they need a training camp or practice, Koo would come to me or Koov would send BP

with my position coach. The boss wants you to get them going. Okay, now I got to start banging on the joke. I'm going to strike the band up. Doon, do, do, do. Oh, I'm going, I'll bang on everything, Joe. Strike the banner. Mm-hmm.

You, you, oh, y'all about to get it today. No, no, go on, sure. Uh-uh, oh, no. The man say, hey, we need that. Yeah. Keon, you can do both. You can still be you, but you can only be you if you, you, you own the field.

Yeah. Got to be the, all that dancing, all, hey. All this, all that, all that, all that, all that, if, do that in the end zone. Hey. What that, what that dance that be doing No, Joe.

I don't know what it calls, Chad. I don't know what to call. You got to be the hardest worker. Yeah, you got to be the hard of them. Yeah. All right. We don't, we don't, we don't, I'm getting them right.

I'm getting right, Joe. I'm looking for a reason to put them in a strap my goddamn. Yeah, keep you in some shape, Ron. That's what I be top of my man. And you know, you know, I got a wide receiver workshop now. Where in the off season? Well, all the, well, all the fellas came out last year.

In Miami. Man, what? Man, hey, I'm talking about at my old high school, Judy Chase, T. Higgins, Jordan Reed, Corley, Cawton, man, all them, J.S.N. was here. Like, all them, oh, dog, I told, but they, well, they, hey, Joe, I ain't expect them. I didn't expect all them boys to shop like that because, you know, it was short notice. And I'd be scared to bother people because, you know, I look at them like, oh my God, like a little kid like I never played in NFL.

So if I was, if I was an ass personally and they tell me no, Joe, I'll be hurt, Joe. No, I swear for God, my right hand of God, man, rest of my mama. Yeah. Like I can't take here and know from those that I look up to now that I'm not playing the game the more. I don't, I, the way they view me and how they look at that, they say, man, shit, we look at you. No, you don't understand.

Like I can be humble and be a fan of y'all. No, when they showed up Joe, Joe. Joe, I try to, I try to thank them boys for showing up. Joe, I started crying a little bitch. Yeah, Joe, I told me, Joe, but it felt good. It felt good, because I was scared to reach out to him because these are the big boys. These are the boys making 30, 40 men a year.

I think they're gonna come work out with me. And they, and they looked at me and said, man, it's you, you damn right, we're coming. Hey, you ain't know how much weight you care, bro. No, not. I mean, you know, I don't look at it like that, Joe. I don't look at it like, but though, but the boy had me feeling good.

So now I'm seeing all the issues with all the young dudes this year, I'm like, nah, I'm a fix that. You gotta keep them on track, man. You gotta keep them, keep the receivers on track, bro. Damn, yeah, I'm gonna come get some of that though. If this doesn't wake him up, because I, like I said, I've never heard an owner talk about it. Now, if he wasn't on the team, I can see it.

This man still currently on your roster. And you're talking reckless like this. He's saying Brandon, Brandon, that was. That wasn't Brandon choice. I'm not saying Brandon wouldn't selected him. Right. Yeah. Hey there.

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Again, I go back to 523-226, great roster, good coaching, no Super Bowl appearance. And I can't emphasize if I can put you all in that room at that moment after the game. It's like, how do we overcome this? You know, it's been one year after another. And that was the sense of how do we overcome this? And I just couldn't see us doing that with Sean. That's why I relieved him.

It's not an easy decision, trust me, with that success. But what is success? Is success being in the playoffs seven years in a row with no Super Bowl appearance? Mm. Yeah. Standards. Hey, listen, hey, young. So he believes bringing someone else in

Changing everything up The coaches the players the continuity Josh Allen had with that offense The defensive guys the continuity they had with the defensive Coordinator they think the chances are better Scrapping everything off Bringing in new coaches bringing a new regime Having the offensive players having to learn

An entirely new offense And thinking things are going to change Because you fire Mr. McDermott. Yeah Like make it make sense You start back over from scratch, what you already do, but at least the same system

and the continuity and the familiarity and knowing it makes it a little easier once you get into season and once you get in the flow. Now you start back over from scratch. Yeah. And you think things are going to be different because you didn't go over to get over the hump.

Okay. Ocho, when we were talking... You were going to learn real quick. You remember when we was talking in October, I said, Ocho, at some point in time, he, the arm. corner is going to believe that Sean McDermott has taken this team as far as he can take it. He said we had hit the playoff proverbial wall.

Yeah, that's what he said. Right. Now, he put an awful lot of blame on Sean McDermott. Now, Josh Allen turned the ball over four times. They turned the ball over five times of the team, four of them in Josh's hands. Yeah. I hear you say nothing about that. Somebody got to take the play.

You know, hey, hold on. You know, he's not going to throw his quarterback under the bus on. The quarterback is too valuable. Well, he threw the, he threw the, he threw the ball. I tell you one, I tell you one thing. If he had said, if he had did Josh, now he could do that. Josh is going.

Got. Thank you. Josh is out of there. Thank you. Yeah. But here's my thing. They know who to play with. What you're going to say, Ocho?

No, I was just saying, they know who to play with. They know who to play with. Help me understand this, Ocho. He put all this blame on the coach. He said, uh, uh, the coaches wanted Keon Coleman. So what role? Did Brandon Bean play in building this roster? He only drafted.

Did Brandon Bean draft Josh Allen? So he drafted two plurbo players since he's been there. And he thinks it's a great roster. Really? Hold on. How long Mr. Bean been there, huh? Hold on. Ash is looking it up right away.

Because I want to know when did Dion Dawkins get there? He didn't draft Doc. I don't think he drafted Doc either. Okay. So he drafted his first draft with Josh Allen. The second draft with Josh Allen, okay. Did he draft dog? Because he's drafted two Pro Bowl players since Josh Allen.

Obviously, we know Josh Allen's been to the Pro Bowl and he's been an MVP. Right. Okay. So I don't think this roster is immensely talented. I don't. I don't. They got no Pro Bowl.

They got no Pro Bowl players on defense. Hmm. I think Josh, John Allen was the, Josh Allen was a pro bowl edition, right? He's an alternate. He was an alternate. I'm asking.

So I'm thinking it is Drake May, Justin Herbert, and was it Trevor Lawrence or Josh Allen, the pro bowl quarterbacks for the AFC? Okay, Josh Allen, so basically, and Dion Dawkins made the Pro Bowl too, didn't he? So they got no players on defense,

and they got two players on offense, the left tackle and the quarterback. That's it? James Cook. James Cook. James Cook, yeah. Oh, okay. So three.

You ain't got no players on defense. Yeah. That, it's. The Bronco. The Bronco got a left tackle, a right guard, and a, and a, a wire receiver. They got pass or tan. They got Nick Benito. And they got Zach Allen.

So they got six pro bonoers. Okay, let's go to who else is, uh, uh, New England. Greg May, Gonzalez. You ain't got no pro-bole. And, now look, I ain't going to get on no soapbox for Sean McDermott. Your expertise is defense. Your defense has been trashed in the postseason. They've been trashed, Your Honor.

They give up over 30 points a game. Yeah. You're not winning very many games, Ocho. In the playoffs, you give up 30 points. The playoffs is different than the regular season. You could give up 30 a couple times in the regular season and win a game. You start giving up 30 in the post season. Your ass going home.

Hey, you know what? We knew, Joe and Unk, we knew the goddamn bills didn't have much on offense. We think the moniker came from where Josh Allen happened to be Superman. He got to pull the cape out. He got to pull the cape out, Joe, because they don't have much. Josh Allen is one of the few quarterbacks that could probably go on any team and elevate everybody else because of what he's able to do. Josh Allen has to elevate everyone else that's around him, and he has to do more with less. And that's what he's been able to do.

And with then coach and Mr. Bean up there talking about we have our, our, what's the word, per review? What's the, what? What's that? What's that? What you, what? Play off what? Perverbial. Perverbial.

I like that. I like, hey, they hit the proverbial, Joe. Hey, Joe, they hit their proverbial. Meaning that it's, it's not an actual wall, but that's what. That's as far as they can go, obviously. That's as far as they can go. So they hit their playoff. Perverial.

And the straw that broke the proverbial's camels back. Right, right, right. Hey, that's a new word. Yeah, for sure. But I'm just saying, is the owner, you understand that. You understand. You know he needs more help. You know he needs more help offensively.

And obviously you want, you, you want who, you know, you want to be the ex-fetch. You would love Keon Coleman, as high as he went, as far as being drafted. He's supposed to be the ex-factor. He's supposed to be that guy to say, you know what? You don't need to bring nobody else in here. I got this. I'm going to take some of the pressure off James Cook. I'm going to take some of the pressure off Josh Allen.

I'm going to take some of the pressure off of the officer coordinators because you know why? Bitch y'all can count on me. Just put the ball in the area. Just put it. That's what they thought, Ocho. Yeah, that's what they thought. But I'm going to make sure.

I'm going to make sure when I get a whole of him and he get back, it's going to be just like that. Shit. Well, they got me hot. Wait, they got me hot. Well, that's what Keon. Ocho, remember Keon Coleman, they got rid of Stefan Diggs last year.

remember? So he was supposed to come in and take up, bing up, da-da. And Diggs baller. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. And, you know, when they had, I mean, look,

Josh and Diggs was a super duper connection. Mm-hmm. And look, they're looking at it like, okay, prior to Saturday, Josh hadn't turned the ball over in six games, Ocho. That's crazy. He was on the roll. He was on the roll, huh?

And that's always been his Achille Hill, Joe, in the past. In the past, in his earlier days, you know, the first two, three, four years, his problem in his issues were turning the ball over. Turning the ball over because of his goddamn arm talent, crazy arm talent. You know what? I think I can squeeze that in there. I'm going to throw this rope. I'm going to throw it anyway.

I'm going to let it go. He would like Brett Faw down. The bad day to be trash. He let me. Bad day to be trash, yon. Oh, yeah. Yeah. So, I mean, those five interceptions had more to do it with it than Sean McDermott.

Now, shut, like I said, and I said, when we were talking about this, Ocho, you say, oh, may have been to the playoffs as an Ocho. At some point in time, man, they go, the owner's going to think the man is gone as far. He keep hitting his head on the ceiling this as far as they can go. Yeah. I mean, I just knowing how owners think, Ocho, I said, yeah, this is not going to end well. This is not going to end well. Yeah.

You can't keep going, going to the playoff. And he's like two C, five C, six C, yes. But Josh brought you back last week against the Jacksonville. He has to play. The thing is, it's hard to continuously win when your quarterback has to be great every single game or you cannot win. Right. There have been some games that Tom didn't play great, but they run you out of the

building. Or the defense would get turnovers and stuff like that. But when Tom needed to be great, he was always great when he needed to. he could play like dog dog poop let him need a drive to getting field goal range or touchdown the beach to win the game he'll get there every every time like y'all whitherspoon said it Friday that's your ass mr postman top tall was coming but i don't i don't like this i don't like putting all this on shah mcdermott i do me i do think it was time for a different voice in there but brandon b i'm just trying to figure i normally when they clean house they're

They cleaned everybody. The house stinks, but all y'all did was clean the living room. What about the bathroom? What about the fish that you all left in there for three days? Hold on, I got a question. Once McDermott gets fired, doesn't all the his staff go to? Yeah, absolutely.

Okay, okay, okay, okay. Well, that's clean the house. No, I'm talking about the general manager. Oh, yeah, yeah. In power clean, okay. You want everybody going out. How you're gonna keep the hair and throw out the hide? The hair got to go with the hide.

Everything got to go. That's a good one. Man, please. But I don't, I don't, I don't like this. This is not, I don't, I don't think this was very, very professional of Mr. Begoula to take this opportunity to try to dump on Sean McDermott, to try to dump on Keon Coleman. Well, he got to take the pressure off.

He got to take the pressure off him, huh? Joe, that's the game they play, Joe. That's the game they play. How do I take the pressure off of me? I point the finger everybody else, even though I'm the one in position of power making the calls.

So technically, I'm just as responsible as Mrs. McDermott. Because everything got to go through you anyway. Absolutely. You get a green light to everything. So what part do you play in this? Mr. Pagulo?

And I told you, Ocho, remember, they got this new stadium coming. Don't they move in that new stadium next year? Damn, they finished the new race. Yes, yes. Yes, they got to do, I told you. Well, they, they, is, is it, is it, is it, is closed there? I don't know.

I mean, I, I, I wouldn't put no, I wouldn't put no dome in Buffalo. Cause I, I, that's, to my advantage. Right. Man, hell is this. Well, it ain't, it ain't too much advantage. Shit. They didn't been home every got. Yeah.

Yeah. Ha, ha. But, but, but. But a lot of times, look, they haven't, they haven't, and a lot of this, I'm sure Mr. Bagulu was looking, like, hold on. Uh-huh. The proverbial walls have been removed from Mahomes, Lamar, got, especially, now, Lamar has never beaten Josh in the postseason, but Mahomes and Joe Burrow has.

So two of the thorns that's been in my side have been removed, and we still can't get there. Yeah, this, this was a, this was their year. And this might be why I meant to be in the Pagula are upset. I can understand it because, hell, no Lamar. You ain't got to deal with him, you got to deal with Joe. You ain't got to deal with, you know, brother Mahomes. Well, hell, the AFC is clear for us. I think the only issue is the only problem.

I would have thought. He backstabbit. Patriots. Ocho, how, how you losing just as much as Sean McDermott, he gets fired, you get a job promotion. Yeah. You know that, hey, that's the game they play. I'm like, hold on.

How I lose my job, he gets elevated. So, oh, the coach wanted him. So what about all the other players that ain't paying and not like they're supposed to? Coach one of them too, huh? Okay. And that's crazy. Hey there, this is Dr. Jesse Mills,

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You, bray. Miami Dolphins have a new head coach, Joe Packers, Defensive Coordinator, Jeff Hathley. as the next head coach. Dolphins signed Hapley to a five-year contract. He joins new general manager, John Eric Sullivan,

whom the Dolphins hired to replace longtime GM Chris Greer this month. Sullivan and Hapley overlap for the past two seasons together in Green Bay. The Dolphins have not won a playoff game in 25 season. The longest such drought in the NFL, the Miami Dolphins last won at playoff game, December 30th, 2000 against the Indianapolis coach,

Halfley was a senior at Siena. Before his two years at the D.C. in Green Bay, Happley was head coach at Boston College, where he went 22 and 26 in four seasons. Happley is the eighth straight head coach hired by the Dolphins who had no previous NFL head coaching experience. The last Dolphins head coach with previous head coaching experience was Dave Wanstatt in 2000.

Hey, I remember Dave, huh? I remember Dave. He was a D.C. Hit Dallas No championship team for the long year. Hey, but listen, Mr. Happley, boy, he got his work cut off for him, huh? He got his work cut off him. For one, you have no head coaching experience.

Now, you do have experience in general being around the atmosphere and being in coached in general. You call plays on the defensive side, and I'm sure that's what he told Mr. Ross that I'm going to call plays on the defensive side. Go ahead, though. But that, listen, calling players on the defensive side is not the problem. what you're going to do on the offense who's going to be the quarterback who's going to be a leader at the helm that's the issue

right now you look at the goddamn AFCs you got Drake May playing all world out his mind you got Josh Allen he's not going to no time soon now the Jets is probably a team you don't have to worry about as of right now because hell they ain't got no goddamn quarterback either

nope so at some point somebody pulling up the real who is going to be is either going to be the dolphins or it's going to be the Jets until we find a quarterback both of us in purgatory

pulling up the rear let's just say somebody going to be coming in the last place that's pulling up the rear huh? Are you sure? Well, if you're pulling up the rear

that means you're in the back am I saying something wrong or you don't like the way of sound yeah, yeah, that just sound you know. Oh, my bad, my bad, my bad. My bad. Okay, my bad.

I got you. I bet. I'm bad. But you're right. You, if you don't, if you don't have a quarterback, I don't give a damn what division you're in.

You ain't competing. Mm. Competiting, don't you? He's not. He got two years, on. You hear me? Or half of?

Yeah, man, he got two years, boy. Maybe, maybe not even that. You know, it depends on how much. He signed the five-year deal. What I mean?

And didn't they just sign McDaniel to an extension? Exactly. That's why I said. What did that mean? He just signed a value idea. What would that mean? Well, these owners want instant gratification. They want instant success because the same way they run their businesses, when they want

their businesses to work and they want to see, they want to see return on investment really fast, they just pour my money into it. That's not the way the game of football works. You can't pour money. Well, actually, you can pour money into it. But there's a thing called a salary cap, which doesn't allow you to do like the Dodgers do. You can't be like the goddamn Los Angeles Dodgers. Yeah.

And if you could, who, the top teams, they'll win every goddamn year. I don't know. You like Malik Willis to the Dolphins? You like it to the Jet? Now we're talking. Now we're talking some business. We're making some sense. I had to get up out my seat, man.

Malik Willis to the Dolphins. I saw enough. I saw enough of him when Jordan Love went down with the goddamn packers. Now, the problem is, you have to understand the support and cast that was around him as well now. Right.

Now, he doesn't have that same support. There is no Watson. Now, we got a Jalen Waddle. Got Waddle. You know, we got Washington. I'm assuming Darren Waller will be back. But, God, damn, he was loaded with receivers over there. Let me ask you this.

Would you rather have Malik Willis or Kyle of Murray? Oh, hold on. Let me go to my thoughts. Okay. Hey, you know what? That's a good one right there. That's a good one.

Now, you got me stumped right there. Matter of fact, I'm a revert to the goddamn chat. Chat, even if you're not a Dolphin fan, who would you like better as a quarterback? We saw a small sample side of Malik Willis, obviously in Tennessee. That doesn't count. But you saw what he did when Joe Love got hurt with the Packers. He looked goddamn phenomenal. We seen Kyle Murray.

We knew what Kyle Murray can do. We've seen a bigger sample. size of him, even though things didn't work out in Arizona. Now, the dolphins, we are in dire need of someone at the quarterback position. Yes. It's no disrespect to Quinn Euras or Tua, but I'm just saying. I think Tua's gone. I think you need to start thinking about someone else other than Tua.

Right. Because the reports are that the quarterback did not have to be married to Tua, which means there's a, Ocho, you don't bench a quarterback the last three games, with the anticipated. Now look, this is a different coaching staff. Right. So they might come in and have a different philosophy or a different thought process on tour. That could be the case. I don't think so. I don't even. I don't think so.

I'm just trying to look at it from. Yeah. Hey, I know. I understand you're trying to be gracious. But when a new coach of staff comes in, they're going to want, they're going to want a fresh start. They're going to want to pick their quarterback. Yeah, they're going to want their guy. Hey, somebody making fun of what I'm wearing. y'all so rude why y'all being so mean to me like i got feelings yeah i'm wearing i'm wearing a sporting lisbon for those who you know watch soccer sporting lisbon jacket and i got some some

cheetah pants i bought off shine and you know you shop on shine uh uh i don't no i don't you like my you like my pants i thought i mean i like them on you i would i mean that's not me i couldn't worse something like that. Oh, okay. They were $20 on Sheen or Shine. I don't even know how to pronounce it. I don't know if they could give them. They couldn't get them to me, but.

No. You know it's 40 degrees in Miami, right? I believe it. I don't know what the hell was going on today. I didn't have this on all day. It's cold as hell outside. Yeah. Shine.

No, you know, it is. It is Shine. S-H-E-I-N. It's like it's like an affordable site. Like, like, Um, not forever 21. What's the one for men?

Timo. No, not T, no, not Timo. The other one, like, they have a, they have a man's line and a woman's line. Damn. H&M? No, no, you know, I, no. Ross, Marshals? No, they own, fashion over.

Fashion over, man, fashion over, yeah, yeah. So I think Shine is like in, in that realm of, like, you can get good, good pieces. If you know how to dress, if you know how to dress, it's not about buying expensive stuff and just knowing how to put stuff together to make it look. like it costs money. Yeah, but I mean, me, I mean, I, uh. You want me get you a petty's? No.

Mm-mm. No 57-year-old should be in no leopard print. Why not? Why not? Unk, you stylish, man. You're an icon. Mick Jagger. It's the only one that you be wearing leopard print.

Nah, a print. Print is a part of print in fashion in general. Not for me. It's an expression of yourself. I choose to express myself in other ways. Okay. I got you. I don't got no problem with a man or a young man or wearing leopard print to each his own.

That's just not for me. Yeah, I look good at it, though. You know, I can kind of get a... Maybe a jacket. Could I wear a jacket? Yeah, I wear a leopard jacket. I ain't wearing no pants. I got you.

My bad. My bad. I mean, I just... Oh, now they calling me ashy, man. Damn. What would I have on lotion in the house? Who wears lotion in the house? I ain't got nobody to impress.

No. But that's the new thing, man. I mean, look, I didn't know. I didn't know that so many men watch what other men wear. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. It'd be on that heavy. I'm like, well, damn. Yeah, it'd be on that heavy.

If I was trying to impress you, you would have a legitimate case, but I buy clothes for me. Right. Same. I buy what I like. Yeah. Yeah. And you really have to be a wolf, unk, really not to care what nobody else think when

most of everybody else is, you know, they sheep. Did you see my pitch I tweeted today? Yeah, with the kids. With the kids asleep. Yes. I like that. I like that pitching in the back, boy. Oh, my, uh, yeah.

I had an ex. I had an ex that brought me that for my birthday. Boy, that was nice, boy. That's one of the nicest birthday gift I've ever received. from anybody. Yeah. And that ain't, they ain't even got

nothing to do with money either. No. No, no, no, no, no, no. I had no, no, no. I had no idea. I'm like, what the hell is this, man? When I saw that. Yeah.

I bet you was crying. I almost teared up. I did. Yeah, that's a good gift there, boy. Because that's what we had, Barry my grandma in that pink hat and everything. So, man, it was a, yeah, my boys were asleep

When I come home, Mocho, they, uh, that's it. Except Thanos. He was running. He was. He'd be all over the place? Yeah. But that was, uh, that was two weeks ago, like last week when I came home. And then, man, who took that picture?

That must have been Michelle. That must have been, like, damn. Everybody else take a picture. Everybody take a picture and don't nobody get asked. When Jay-Z and Beyonce take a picture ain't nobody else. Who took that picture? Right. Home take a picture and who took that picture?

I'm like, what day? You know, they'd be wanting to know, man. You know, they'd be wanting to know, you know, they, you know, they, you know, they, you know, they, you know, hey, it might have been cookie for all y'all know. Who was cookie, huh? Don't worry about it. Oh, from the old stories, the old story? Yeah, it was, it was not cookie. You found them?

No, I haven't seen cookie in 30 years. You might, you might want to be, hey. I don't. You know, and you won't preheat that oven, huh? Huh? Hey, you know what happened when you put a cookie in the oven and you preheated, huh? I don't eat cookies. Cookie or cookies.

God damn. I just want to make sure I want to throw that out there because you're a, I know you didn't say nothing about no cookie singular. Right. You said cookies, but you might eat cookie. I mean, yeah, yeah, yeah, I know where you're going. I know you. No, I want to do that.

Yeah, you will. You're real slick with your mind. Hey, I wouldn't even thinking like that, huh? Yeah, you was. I wasn't thinking like that. You were. I promise you I would. No.

I got to stay on mind because I already know. You always on some bulljad. You always. Run that back one more time. Run that back one more time. What you say now? No. Nope.

The Dallas Cowboys are hiring Philadelphia Eagles secondary coaching passing game coordinator, Kristen Parker, as their new defensive coordinator. It's a bit of meteoric rise for Parker, 34, who spent the past two season under Vic Fangio staff in Philly and only coached in the NFL since 2019. Parker's secondary has been the strength of the Eagles, top five scoring defense both years there.

Philly ranked first in passing yards allowed in 2024 while giving up 22 touchdowns through the air, the six fewest in the NFL. This past season finished eighth in passing yards allowed and first in passing touchdown surrenders with 14. That's a stark difference from Dallas, which was the worst defense in league in passing yards allowed, giving up a watch.

in 35 touchdowns, 31st in 2025. The Dallas also finished 32nd and 30th in points and yards allowed respectively, which led to the firing of defensive coordinator Matt Iberfluse after one season. Ocho, would you like this higher? I mean, the higher doesn't matter, huh? The higher doesn't matter. I mean, you could bring Jesus out there to be the defense coordinator of Dallas Cowboys. You're still going to get what you got.

You have to understand what coach is coming from, aunt. coaches coming from the Philadelphia Eagles. Yes. Their strength and their identity is on the defensive end. Well, hell, you got Cooper de Jong, you got Keon Mitchell, you got, hello. Blanketship. That blanket ship, you got that front for. Nick Kobe Dean.

Hey, the second level, you got Bond? I mean, there's a reason why the defense looked like it did. There's a reason why coaches get jobs to go other places when they've been at places where the goddamn talent level is somewhat damn there. I agree. And that's what it is. Now for coach, you know, Mr. Parker going over to God damn Dallas, now is where coaching comes into play.

Yep. If you ain't got the quality or the skill players at those positions, you're still going to get exposed. So what you had to work with in Philly, you don't have the work with in God damn Dallas. That's going to be the problem that you're going to run into. So it doesn't matter who you bring in the coach if you don't have the quality of players

to be able to run the scheme or the system that you want to incorporate. I'm just being honest. You being very honest. And I think that's the thing is that I can't, off the top of my head, I don't know if there's a player on Dallas's defense that I would take over somebody on the Eagles defense, especially not the secondary.

Nobody. Definitely not the linebackers. I'm not, even Quinn and Mitchell, I wouldn't take him over Jordan Davis. I wouldn't. And I know he's been an all pro and I know he's going to the Pro Bowl. But right now, as I sit here and we have this conference,

Don't you? I wouldn't. We know Jalen Carter has talent out the yin-yang. Oh, yeah. I just need him to play hard all the time. I mean, I need Vic Fangio to get in this air and have a conversation with him. Hopefully he called him in and said, son, if you're not in defensive player of the year discussion, you failed. We failed you and you failed us.

You have that kind of ability. Vic Fangio has been around some of the great talents, defensive players in the league. I remember having a conversation with Wade Phillips. Wade was the D-coordinator in Houston. And I was asking him about J.J. Watt. And he said, Shannon, they keep talking about he's a bus. He's going to be a bus. He's going to have a bus in Canton with you.

I swear, I swear, Ocho, that's what he told me. He said, Shannon, he's going to have a bus in Canton with you. Before the guy even played a down. He says, if you watch this guy in practice, now I think he would know. He coached Reggie White. He coached Ricky Jones. Jackson, he coached Vaughn Miller. He coached a lot of great, uh, uh, uh, what's the guy?

He won a defensive player of the year at Buffalo. Bryce Pop. Yeah. Bruce Smith. All the, Bryce Pop was a defensive player of the year. Bruce Smith was a defensive player year. Reggie White was a defensive player of the year. Ricky Jacks in the Hall of Fame.

Von Miller, we know. He coached. He said, this guy is good if I've ever coached. And I'm talking about Reggie. He coached. He coached Ricky Jack. He coached Bruce Smith. He said,

this kid is as good as I've seen. Yeah. So it matters. I don't care nothing about no scheme and all this. You can get exotic as you want to. Give me them horses. Yeah. You need them, huh?

You need them. You need the horses. I'm glad Mr. Christian Parker got the D.C. job. It's good to see you continue. to elevate in your career and try to climb that ladder, that coaching ladder, it was very difficult to climb, especially going to Dallas to be able to do it. The problem that you're going to face is if you don't, you don't have the same quality of players.

You don't have the Eagle secondary. You don't. You don't have Quignan. You don't have Cooper. You don't have blanket ship. No, no. And nobody in your secondary is comparable to those three guys. Now, obviously, you're going to coordinate the defense.

And when you throw Vaughn and Nicole Dean in there and you look at, they got Jalen Phillips, They got Jordan Davis. They got Carter. Yeah. Y'all don't have the equivalent of that in Dallas. No. And it doesn't matter what you do offensive because we've seen that. Dak has been playing out of his mind.

Mine, yeah. But if he has a slow start or an off game, you guys aren't stopping anything. Mm-mm. Mm-mm. Now, what we can say, is we do have the draft coming up. We do have off-season acquisitions. I'm sure Dallas is going to have to go out. With Dallas, Dallas doesn't like to spend the money in the off-season.

They don't, they don't, they don't. like to go in fridge and say, Ocho. They like to get, oh, Cho, you know how you just go back to school? Yeah. You don't got everything been picked on, everybody done tried them jeans on and the shirts on. Right, right, right. And you're like, damn.

Oh, it's just, we're going to mark it off another $5 because they got a little marked because everybody had their ass in these jeans. Yeah. Now, you heard what you just said? Yeah. You said, Dallas doesn't like to do certain things. They don't do like to, they don't like to do certain things as far as in the off season.

When the last time Dallas has been to the playoffs in the Super Bowl? Forget the playoffs. They've been to the playoffs recently. When the last time they've been to the Super Bowl? 95. 95. They won the Super Bowl, 96, January of 96. Okay, you make your hay.

You make your hay in all season acquisitions and getting players that can help you improve year to year. How do I get better? What areas do I need to improve in? You get those veteran players, veteran presence, because the chances of getting somebody in the draft, they're going to come in right now and make a tremendous impact and change the trajectory of your offense or your defense is not likely. man give up those two first round picks and go get Max Crosby and stop playing.

Come on now. Talk to me. Talk nice to you. That hell. Talk nice to me. Go get those two first round draft picks and go get Max Crosby. Because you're not going to get anybody in the draft better than Max Crosby. And he's probably the only guy that can be had as far as a left. You're not getting Miles Garrett. You're not getting Hutchinson. You're not getting, you're not getting Daniel Hunter. You're not getting Will Anderson, Jr.

You're not getting any of those guys. You're not getting Benito. You're not getting Verm. You're not getting any of these top-tier Russians. So I don't, forgive me that first. Hold on, hold on, hold on. I got a question. I got a question, man.

Yeah. You said a whole lot of names, you know, of some good impact players that can make a change, have a tremendous impact over there in Dallas. What do you think about, oh, 95 down there in Cleveland coming on down there to the big star? They're not trading him. Hey, listen, listen, I'm just asking you.

I'm trying to see what you're hitting that. Hold on, hold on, this guy about to be a two-time defensive player in the year. I'll tell you what, they're going to have to give up three first-round draft picks and probably a couple of players. Hey, but let me tell you something. He was there with him. He didn't even 30. Hold on.

He was with Cleveland last year, right? Yes. How many wins they had last year with him? Not a lot. Okay, well, they can have not a lot without him. Guess what? He's the only reason you go with. You know they're going to lose.

But I'm going to see how many sacks he's going to get. Okay, I got you. I got you. You know what I'm saying? You got to have something, Ocho. Yeah. And look, he's seen, and he's made it abundantly clear. He's happy there.

He said, as long as, as, hey, I want to win. And as long as I believe that they're going in trending in the right direction, I'm happy. I'll be here. Don't, don't fall for that. Come on, you know, you know. I'm just saying what he's saying. Okay, that's what he said.

But anytime you put a camera in a mic in front of a player's face and it's going to get out there, everything is PC. It's PC. You know that. Honestly, Ocho, I don't think he wants to leave. I think he likes Cleveland. I think he wants to, I think he wants to, whatever success that Cleveland has, he wants to be a part of it.

He doesn't want to look, he don't look at himself like a mercenary. See, like Vaughn was willing, like the Broncos traded Vaughn to the Rams. And what did they do? They put him inside, uh, uh, AD, and Lennon Fordham, and now you got hell on your hands. And you see the second half, Joe had that outstanding first half. and you watch the second half and you watch them mofos take the game over.

You watch AD Whip, everybody has. Well, I tell you what, I'll tell you what. If you say Miles Garrett had no chance or opportunity to go to the Dallas Cowboys because the Cleveland Browns would never even think the thought of trading him is a no-no because that's the only thing you do have. What about T.J. what?

Leaving the Steelers and going to put that stone. DJ might be a possibility. Trey Hendrickson, you got Trey Hendrickson. You wouldn't have to give up any compensation for him. Yeah. I like the upside of having T.J. Watt. I like the upside of having T.J. Watt. Now, he's been Nick the last couple of years.

His production tends to go down towards the tail end of the season. But that first half, he's phenomenal. Yeah. He's a defensive player of the year. He's a Pro Bowl player. He's been an all pro. He had tied the NFL record of 22 and a half sacks until Miles Gaggad broke it of,

23. So yeah. I like it. But that's a big salary you got to play now. Hello, we need to do something. You got to pay you got to pay for your product now. You ain't getting nothing for free. I know one thing. If you do pay that big salary, every owner when it comes to business, also when it comes to players, if we put money into you, we want to return on that investment. And that's the type of player. If you're paying a big money, the chances are 98.9% you don't get a return. turn on an investment when you invest in elite talent like that. I agree. I agree, Ocho.

But they got to do something. They got to do something because it doesn't do any good. You got a 4,000 yard passer to 1,000 yard receivers and 1,000 yard rush and your ass missed the playoffs. Yeah. Yeah. We know why. Because you had a Super Bowl offense and a Bud Bowl defense. Yeah. Could you imagine, I got a question for you. Could you imagine the Dallas Cowboys, hypothetically speaking, chat? Say with me. The Dallas Cowboys offense with the Seahawks defense, with the Broncos defense.

Dark, that one ain't going to be. Man. You're not, it's, Ocho, do you understand how hard it is to have that? Man. Because normally you invest on one side of the other. You says, okay, this is how we're going to make our hay. Now, it's possible if you draft really, really well. Really well.

Yes. You look at the Broncos one year. Okay, they drafted Demarius Thomas. They drafted Eric Decker. They drafted Julius Thomas. They drafted No Sean Marino. They drafted. I think Clayty was there.

And then they drafted Von Miller. They drafted Robey. They draft Chris Harris Jr. was undrafted. They drafted those two backers, Danny Trevath and Brandon Marshall. They drafted Derek Wood. They drafted Malie.

Jackson. So now you sprinkle in Akiv. Now you sprinkle in T.J. Ward. Yeah. Like, okay. Okay. Now, we got something. Yeah. You know, it's all about knowing how the bill a team. Having the right team, having the right eyes, having the right scouts. Yes. And Jeffrey Lurie and Harry Roseman have done a phenomenal job at that. I'm not sure why this is a copycat league. It's a copycat NFL when it comes to all. and the defenses things that you see other things that you see work for other people most of the time teams copy it whether it be offense or defense i'm not sure why owners and coaches and gyms and scouts don't copy because i'm trying to do it my way ohcho that's your way yep but their way's working

that that that that's the point i'm trying to i'd rather fail my way than succeed somebody else's hey hey look at houston texas look how they drafted you get will lannison you get Stingley, Lasseter, Petrie, 2-0-2-0, I think that's how you say his name, T-O-O-T-O-O-T-O-L. You get him. Now, you traded for Alger, Will Landerson, Jr.

Now, you get Dinell Hunter in free agency. De Nile, yeah. Okay, you get C-J, you get Nico, you get Tengdale, Woody Marks with a low-round draft pick. I think you go back into the draft, you get an offensive lineman, but that's what you got, you got to have it.

It's hard, I mean, to have one offense, one defense. I think the Patriots, I'm not the Patriots, the Chargers, had the number one offense and the number one defense and missed the playoffs. How did that happen? But the Cowboys, look, the Cowboys have a formula. Jerry believes he has a formula. He wants everybody to take a discount because you play it in Dallas and it should be an honor to play in Dallas.

It should be an honor. He don't really pay his coach's top dollar because it's an honor for you to coach the Cowboys. So something's got to give. Yeah. Now, he keeps on talking that he'll sit down and retire once he has the most Super Bowl. Bro, you got three, the Patriots got six, and the Steelers and the Roonies, they got six. You got a ways to go. You're not close.

You missed the playoffs. I don't even know why you're talking Super Bowls. You shouldn't say Super or Bowl. As a matter of fact, you put another piece, say supper. We buy to eat and go to bed. But, uh, Oh, man. Look.

I agree with everything you just said. I'm glad for the meteoric rise that Parker had. But at the end of the day, I don't care who the trainer is. Bob Bafferick's great. He ain't winning the Kentucky Derby with donkey. Without the horses. God damn.

It's a good analogy, boy. And I know, and I know Bob very well. That's a good analogy. That's a good idea. You're not. That's a good one. That's a good analogy. I like that one. So I'm stealing that. This is Dr. Jesse Mills, host of the Mailroom podcast.

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