Nightcap - Best of NFL News Part 1: Lamar Jackson voted OVERRATED?!?! + Derek Stingley Jr. on being one of the NFL’s top corners

Episode Date: November 15, 2025

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson sit down with Texans star CB Derek Stingley Jr.! Stingley opens up about being one of the NFL’s top corners Plus, Lamar Jackson voted overrated and Joe Burrow fires up Ocho by insisting the Bengals can still make a playoff run. 0:00 - Joe Burrow on Bengals playoff chances15:47 - Lamar Jackson voted overated38:31 - Derek Stingley Jr. joins the show! (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Listen to Sacred Lessons on the IHart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcast. Oh, Joe. Your quarterback one spoke today. Here's Joe. And if the Bengals are a playoff team. Come on, Joe. Yeah, you know, our division is wide open. There's a lot of, I think Pittsburgh's 5 and 4 at this point.

We play them this week. So, you know, everything is still there in front of them. us. It's very rare that our division looks like this, but it does this year. And so, you know, I think we'll be at least in it until the end. It's fair to say with the wild cards that the best path for would be winning the north. I think it would be very difficult for us to be a wild card team at this point. Obviously a lot of football to be played. But, you know, I think that's difficult. I think our best path would be win the division. Hey, Joe, talk your talk.

And the funny thing about it is every time I hear Unk, yes, yes, you, unk, you know, you talk about the division. The first thing you do is you talk about your goddamn Ravens be able to come back after they, they were, they, talking about the Ravens go, listen, that's the chance that we don't win it. Why would you think that,

why would you think the Ravens can come back and win it before the Bengals do? Because they got a better time. Why? Because our defense is bad? I mean, I'm asking, is it because our defense is bad? Yeah. Oh, so I'm saying, y'all had one good game,

y'all played defenses. all of a sudden y'all all world y'all y'all y'all back and have the best chance in the division no you don't their defense is better than yours right you know i like that you did that but it's still it's still bad but the only thing that's wide open is the booking window for those vacation joe burrow need to book they say if you book your they say for domestic travel the best time is 38 days before you actually fly a hundred days right right right international so joe the way i'm calculating your season going to be over probably the first week in January. So you get a, hey, let me tell you something.

Hey, let me tell you something. One thing you, hey, one thing you don't want to do is when my quarterback say something, when a quarterback with that kind of confidence that's coming off surgery, a toe surgery, he says we have a chance and our chance at winning the division is not being a wild card, not being a wild card. But winning the division, you listen to that. You stand on that when he say that. Because he will come back and prove you wrong.

First of all, they put man on the moon, so anything is possible. I don't even know what that was real. That was AI. And this right here, what he said was AI. I'm glad you wrote. If you think y'all going to win the division, the Ravens are winning that division. Hold on. The quarterback, our quarterback said that the chance we can win the division

because it hasn't been clear as this. season it looks a little different like this but it does this year it exactly hey it's up in the air look bad like this all the time hey we have a chance because our offense is phenomenal y'all father behind in the cowboys you know what we not we not uh it we put we got it on the screen uh right now the playoffs it'll be indy number one c eight and two broncos eight and two C, New England, eight and two, three, C. Pittsburgh, five, and four. The Chargers, 73.

Buffalo, six, and three. Jacksonville, five, and four. The Chiefs out of the playoffs at five and four. Houston, Texas, four, and five. Baltimore, four, and five. Bengals, three, and six. Miami, three, and seven. Hey.

Pittsburgh is off a mud hole in y'all. They got Pittsburgh and Pittsburgh, right? Yeah. Hey, and let me ask you something. something we got Pittsburgh and Pittsburgh and we and when we win what you're going to have to say what you're going to have to say Sunday when we oh yeah yeah oh y'all got Pittsburgh New England and the Ravens oh and three it's over hey hey we might we might throw for 2,500 yards in the next three games you know what that same the next three game we might

throw for 2,500 yards oh joe hey 40 points a game oh joe a book you like cook barbecue right Right. Everybody about it told when you cook barbecue, slow and low. So guess what? Slow and low. These next three games, I'm going to put y'all in the oven at $2.50. And I'm going to let y'all cook.

At $2.50. With a, hey, when that thing hit in three weeks, good night I ring. I want you to keep that same energy when we get on his Sunday, you hear me? I want you to keep that same energy when we get on the show Sunday after we beat the Steelers.

Y'all ain't going to beat the Steelers. They're going to get right on y'all. Get right on y'all. All right. You're going to remember. What happened to them getting right the last time we played? What happened?

A little temporary setback. Y'all won 33, 33, 31, but you won't win this week. Hey, then what happened the next week? 39, 38, lost to the Jets. 42, 47, 42, lost to the Bears By the lose to the Steelers Go lose to the Patriots Go lose to the Ravens

You know what And go lose to the bills And going to lose to the Ravens again And then y'all might beat the Cardinals And the Browns And the Dolphins But it'd be too late Like the words of Tabaris

Too late sound good hey you got a whole lot of energy you got a whole lot of energy buddy but listen you think we you think we don't have a chance I made you shed

look who's crying boy I can't wait a Sunday I love it with a plan come together what was the plan. The plan. Bronco is the playoffs. Y'all not. Two years to the road back to back. Oh, listen. A, bro. Two years back to back and Holman after the first, after the first round.

Hey, you didn't get your tickets to a Bronco playoff game? Because I can do that for you. No, no, no, because there's a chance. I'm going to have something in Cincinnati. You won't have nothing in Cincinnati. My quarterback, if my quarterback said, we're going to win the division, I'm standing on business on what he said. I'm taking him, I'm taking his word for it. You said that last year. Who said that? We're going to the player. That's how you owe me 50-59-hundred. No, it ain't.

That ain't how. Oh, betting games throughout the season? I got you. I got you. Hey, when my award? Y'all losing next three. Steelers lost. Patriots, lost.

Ravens lost. Bill's lost. The next five games If y'all win one game Y'all might win one But you won't win more than one game Or the next four I bet you're a golden door knob

To a bucket of cow manure And I'll let you put up the cow manure I bet you a five pound bucket of calvinore And I'll put up a golden door knob I love your confidence I love your confidence And I love the fact that you don't have confidence In my team

with my team and my quarterback who just came back from surgery. Is he playing? He will be. He'll be back in two weeks. Is he playing? All I know, lost 48, he'll be back. He'll be back. He'll be back.

He'll be back. He'll be back. He'll be back. He'll be back. 37, 24. Laws, 23, 31. 1. 33.31. Lost 39.38.

Lost 47, 42. Bout to lose again. He'll be back in two weeks. Actually, he can't come back for three weeks. But anyway. Okay, three weeks. Either way, either way, Flacco was carrying the helm. Flacco's steering the ship, and he's standing very well.

Watch the iceberg. Now, we'll be able to. Star Wars. What we need to do? You hear me? What we need to do? Hey, we need them power us on defense. We need to show up.

That's it. All right. You hear that alert. You ain't adhered to it. Yeah. Everybody can see that big iceberg, except you and your bingles. Don't worry about it. Hey, keep that same energy with this Sunday.

When we win, I want, hey, I want your apology to be just as loud as the disrespect. You lost to the Jets. Y'all lost to the Jets. Y'all lost to a quarterback that threw for 54 yards. He's had two games in which he's thrown for less than 100 yards. Y'all lost to that team. Hey, you know what? Y'all almost lost to him too.

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. You all, almost lost to him, too. What do you mean, almost? But you sit here boasting like y'all, when y'all played them, you, y'all was any better. Y'all wasn't no better either. Eight and two is better than three and seven. If y'all won three games, one, two, three. Y'all just won three games.

Yeah. What is this man talking about? We're going to be all right. We're going to be all right. But when we get into playoffs, what are you going to do then? Hey, when that playoffs come, that regular season record don't really matter. It's a new season. That's all over.

because it's one and done one game you go home which football team plays the best on that specific day is all it comes down to y'all haven't played better than any other team but except three times than ten games yeah that's regular season now y'all know good well y'all not going to no playoffs all right hold that thought you're allergic to the playoffs i got some bina drill i'm bringing your bina drill because i know you might to have a long uh uh uh a r reaction. The Broncos are the longest winning streak in a decade despite an offense that has struggled to muster only 10 points. Despite the Broncos being eight and two, the vibes have been low on the opposite side of the ball. And, uh, J.K. Dobbins, the Broncos running back expressed his frustrations. Excuse me, chat. Yeah, cool, we're eight and two, but the defense is winning us these games. We're not helping them. We're not doing them any justice. I feel bad the way we play on offense and the way they play on defense because they're doing such a great and we're doing so bad. It just sucks because there are so many plays playing their butts off. We can't keep

doing this to them. Thursday was the fourth time this season in which the Broncos had at least 10 accepted penalties called against them finishing with 11 penalties for 78 yards. Eight of those infractions came on the offense. The Broncos are the second most penalized offense in the league having been called for 52 penalties, including declined penalties. And you say we cleaned that up on Joe. And walk off, the Colts beat us on a walk off. The Chargers beat us on the walk off.

Yeah. Y'all just get walked over. Hold on, hold on. A team that are better than y'all beat y'all. You understand that, right? teams that are better than y'all beat y'all yeah the charge the charges offensively they're better than you and your defense wasn't able to come that they kicked the they kicked the 50-something yard walk out of your goal oh cho yeah also the jets so the jets are better than y'all okay glad

you said that the jets are better than the bingles why would you say that because they beat you Just played. Walked you down. Oh, so the Broncos are better than you all. 28 to 3. No. The Vikings are better than you all, 48 to 10. Huh.

Wow. You can I ask you a question? You really think that? I know that. I don't think I know that. All I got to say is my quarterback. A, 57 days after surgery, he stood in front of the media and said we're going to the playoffs. Ocho, the Bengals, suck.

Even if he didn't exactly say it, his tone, his mannerisms let me know we're going. And that's all I can go off of. So if he said it, we're gone. No matter what you say, no matter who we lost to in the past. Go lose Sunday. To who? The Steelers. You really think we've been to lose to the Steelers?

After that performance, they put up. Man, please. T.J. Watt. Houssmill, they probably have about, they have three and a half, at least three and a half four sacks combined. They didn't have that in the first one. They'll get it this one.

T.J. Watton didn't get a sack in the last time. They played the Bengals into the fourth quarter. Damn, then garbage time. What we're talking about? That's what you did. You get garbage when you play garbage teams. What you expect them to get? I like, I like, I like that energy.

I like that. I like that. I like it. Keep that same minute. Your day coming, Ocho. Ooh. Ocho, after a random drug test two weeks ago, doctors discovered that Broncos linebacker Alex Singleton

had testicular cancer tumor that been removed today after Denver defeated the Raiders on Thursday night football. The prognosis is excellent for me and my family. single until announced today for Broncos fan I fully expect to return to the field very soon routine test bro that's what I'm saying man y'all gonna get the test yeah that's dope hey all these high-ass premiums I'm gonna get my money's worth yeah I'm getting my money's work man ain't nothing wrong with you well I'm gonna let him tell me that you ain't telling me that you ain't got no medical degree at all so I'm gonna let the doctor that went to school for all this

tell me ain't nothing wrong with me and i'm gonna let them scans i'm gonna get MRI i'm gonna get all kind of all kind of scans i want to know i didn't want to know everything everything possible i'm getting everything i'm gonna get all my high-ass premiums i'm gonna get it i'm gonna get my money more yeah that's dope it's live well it's live um i'm glad they were able to catch this uh Alex man prayers up for you and your family um hey early detection is the key um so if possible guys go get checked out women go get your mammograms go get your things go get your you know your physical your routines hey something don't feel right it's not in your head just go check out let the doctors tell you let them uh uh them scans tell you something

it's not right. Let's tell you something, you know, you'll find. Everything checks out. Just think about it. Like I said, some of these cancers are, you know, you can't prevent them,

but detected early enough, they're treatable. Yeah. So, kudos to Alex. Good job, Broncos. In the heat of battle, your squad relies on you. Don't let them down.

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Of the 10 players that have joined multiple MVP clubs during the Super Bowl era, Jackson is the lone member without a Super Bowl ring. All the others on that list include Johnny United's, Peyton Manning, Aaron Rogers, Tom Brady, Brett Farb, Joe Montana, Steve Young, Kurt Warner, Patrick Mahone, were able to take their team to multiple Super Bowl appearances and won at least once. Jackson has yet to even reach the big game. He's 3 and 5 lifetime in playoffs and has a 375 postseason winning percentage that stands far away, the worst among multiple MVP.

winners first of all steve young did not take no team to multiple MVP's he was a backup he took his team to one m to one super bowl and he did win it that was in 1994 he threw six touchdowns in miami to beat the charges so let's let's let's yeah i like to give context steve young did not go to multiple super bowls now also if i'm not mistaken i think earl moral didn't earl moral start one of those soup bowl for the, uh, the Colts? Oh, you had a two in a, uh, John of United States did or Earl? Yeah. Miami.

Johnny, Johnny went to two, uh, Colts went to two soup bowls? I know they beat the Cowboys on the field goal. He was only there for the Colts, both on both of those.

Who, Johnny? No. Yeah. Yeah. Okay. Yeah. Okay. Um.

Look, I get it. Yes. And, Ocho, we talked about this. This is the only, this is the albatross. This is the elephant in the room. You see the names that are on this list that have won multiple MVP's. Lamar is the only one that hasn't been to a Super Bowl. That's not to say, Ocho, his career is not ending tomorrow.

No, absolutely not. But everybody jumped on me when I said his career was, will be looked at as a disappointment if he doesn't get to a Super Bowl considering what he had accomplished. You base it on what these other guys. See, you can't just look. Well, he won two MVPs.

You've got to look at the company that he's in that's one to six MVPs. Now you start looking at it. You're like, well, damn, he has to get to one. Aaron Rogers went to one. He has to get to at least one. And then we look at him totally different.

he gets the one and he wins it we look at him differently Ocho we just do yeah absolutely but yeah listen I understand the company that he keeps the fact that he's won two MVP's the fact that he's one of those MbPs those that in the chat that are listening that are watching you have to understand

that he's in a different class of his own in a different class for that matter so when it comes to judging him he judged based off his what he's not compadre what's the word I'm looking for people in the company he keeps his peers he's He judged based on his other peers that have won MVP's as well.

And most of them, if not all, have been to a Super Bowl, whether they won a Super Bowl or not. So he can delve off of that. But the whole overrated part is the part I don't like. That's the part I don't like saying that he's overrated because he hadn't gotten there yet. When he's still playing and only a seventh, maybe eighth year, I'm not sure which one it is, it's ridiculous. I think 18 was not about Lamar's first year.

Yeah. Okay, but nothing about Lamar Jackson. And what he bring to the table, what he bring to the NFL, what he bring to the Baltimore Ravens in general, and giving them a chance and having them a contention every goddamn year, nothing about that is overrated. That's the part I don't like. Now, that is more, to me, it's more clickbait.

There should be a different title when it comes to talk about the quarterbacks that have won MVP's and have been or won a Super Bowl. The title should be goddamn different, overrated my goddamn man. Now, that's a bunch of bullshit. Well, let me ask you a question. But when you're looking at him, him, you but see here's the thing they're not see you're looking at him against his peers they're looking at him against his peers that have won two MVPs so when you look at him

look at the class that he's in you compared him to my homeboy two MVP yeah five Super Bowl appearances three wins right look at Peyton manning five MVP's three Super Bowl appearances two wins you look at Tom break move on you look at yeah you look at Brad Farr. How about this? Everybody on that list. Everybody on that list except one person is already done and not playing. Correct.

Everybody on that list is done and not playing. So how about we wait until he's done playing and then we justify whether he belongs in that company or not or whether he's overrated or not? And even if he doesn't go to a goddamn Super Bowl, what he's going to continue to do, the resume that he's going to put together, whether he wins three more MVP's and doesn't make a goddamn Super Bowl or not, nothing about Lamar Jackson is overrated. I know the fact, the way we judge quarterbacks is based on wins and losses and rings and hardware and all that.

But when it comes down to the nitty-gritty, when you're talking to the people that played the game, forget the media, forget the pundits, forget those that never played the game, nothing about Young Bull out of goddamn Pompano who played for Boyne Beach High School is overrated, whether he has a goddamn ring or not. He will still go down as one of the best, the best quarterbacks to ever play this goddamn game. How do we judge Damarino? Do we say Damarino is not winning the greats because he didn't want to ring? Yes, but see, here's the thing, Ocho.

G-R-E-A-T, great. Now, if we add E-S-T, one of the greatest, that's what he's going for. You see, you said something very interesting, and this is actually true. only quarterbacks get measured by wins and Super Bowl no other position Super Bowels matter okay right not like they do for a quarterback because also even when

Brady wasn't putting up numbers like Peyton Manning they said he was better than Manning because what did he have that Manning didn't Championships think about it now Peyton Manning had won multiple multiple MVP's Brady had three Super Bowls

Manning had three regular season MVP they said well Brady's better because Brady has as you was pointing to your fingers that's how they I don't sit the rules you see what happened with ring culture you see

what is it done it'll make people jump around and go try to find the best situation where they can win a ring and then they shut you up and it's like okay I've already done what I needed to do now there's no more argument

at that point especially when to come to basketball you have those that that have to chase the ring because of ring culture in the rules the unwritten rules matter of fact how about that the unwritten rules because who the hell came up with it? I don't know because they were saying Jordan was saying Jordan was better than Magic and Magic

had five rings they were saying Jordan was better than Byrd and Byrd had three MVP's in three rings He's the last guy to win three consecutive MVPs. You've got to go all the way back to wilt. So what has happened is that now I give you another one. The next couple of years, people are going to say, Shelle Ha'Ottani is the greatest best ball player we've ever seen.

He's got four MVP's. He's got them unanimously. He's got two World Series wings, Ocho. He had one of the great postseason performance where he struck out 10 and hit three home runs. Now, he messed around and get another one and went another World Series who we, who, what

we, who, what we're going to compare him to? Because we, I mean, for MVPs unanimously? Yeah, that's crazy. That's crazy. So you see, once you start, and Barry Barnes was so great, even

everybody that played against him. So that is the greatest player that I've ever seen. Greg Maddox said, well, It was really easy to pick the Barry. If it mattered, you walked him. He said his job was to get 27 hours. You don't get him on him. So pick the other guys to get him and figure it out.

So when you look at it, oh, Joe, look, it's hard to say a man like Lamar. And maybe you're right, maybe overrated is a harsh turn. But I think if we, they're looking at it as the 10 guys that have something that no other guys have. And that is, think about the NFL on you, how long have it's been going on. Hold on. Stay with me. Stay with me real quick now. So if we talk about hardware, right? And hardware puts quarterbacks in a different year where not just great, great is.

So are we saying like Ben Rostersberger belongs in that tier two? Are we saying Russell Wilson also belongs in that tier two? when we talk about quarterbacks that are the greatest because they have ratings? No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no. But here's the thing, Ocho. None of these, none of those guys have regular season MVP's. Okay.

Oh, so there's, there's, there's, there's, there's, so we can't, we can't, we can't, we can't, we can't, we can't, no, no, no, no, let me ask you a question. Has anybody ever said Ben Rothensberger was greater than Tom Brady, Peyton, Manning? No. So when you, so when you, oh, so when you. So when you look at it, and so when you look at it, you have to have regular season MVP's. Those matter. Now when you start getting postseason MVP, that means you won the Super Bowl.

See, you see, Brady is hard. Hold on. The reason why Brady has three regular season MVP's. He has seven Super Bowls and five Super Bowl MVP. So no matter what criteria you use, it's going to be hard for somebody to overtake him. unless my home boy gets five MVP. Let's just say for the sake of our case. We have a compelling case if my home boy is not even 30.

I think he just turned 30. You got a long way to go. Yes. He got a long way to go. And the thing, he just turned 30. So when you look at it, Ocho, I think that is the thing. They're comparing him in this elite category, elite, which is guys that have won multiple MVP. It ain't that many quarterbacks.

That's one, two. What is it? Uninus, Manning, Rogers, Brady, Farv, Montana, Young, Warner, Mahomes. It's nine. Lamar makes 10. Yeah. He's the only one that's never been to a Super Bowl. Now, if he doesn't get to a Super Bowl, what are they going to say, Ocho?

Hon, be honest, you know what they're going to say. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. We know what they're going to say. But listen, I know what they're going to say, but I know what my eyes and seen all he is. as I've seen in play. Let me do you one better. They say guys that got Super Bowl rings at the receiver position

better than Ocho because Ocho ain't got no rings. But you run circles around them on the field. You see how they did? You see how they did? You see how they did that? Yeah, I got you. I got, listen, I'm with you when you're right

and I'm picking up what you put down. That's what I'm saying. Yeah. So now, so just imagine they do that for the receipt. So imagine if a quarterback, And that's what I said. Oh, yeah.

It's even, it's even worse. It's even worse. Now, I hate that. It's like that. I hate that. It's like somewhat of an unwritten rule. Just like the unwritten rule of hockey when it comes to fighting. Just like the unwritten rule in baseball.

Like, I understand it. I hate that. It's like that. Hey, ring culture when it comes to talking basketball along. It matters. It just does. Yeah, it matters, but that's just the way it is. But, I mean, it is what it is.

I think, I think, um, With the way, obviously, they didn't have a good year, a good start of the year. They obviously... They still can come. Oh, you're trying to Ravens. Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah. But I think they're going to win the division.

I think they're going to get a home game. Whoa, whoa, whoa. I think they're going to win the division. So what about... So what do you think we're going to do? So I think you can do nothing. Hold on, hold on. I'll tell you what.

I know, I'll tell you what, and this, I'm very serious tonight. I'm very serious tonight. But I tell you this, I will give you guys... I will give you guys a division if we lose to the Steelers, which I doubt we do. If we lose to the Steelers, I say you guys are probably going to win the division at that point. But if we go in there and we beat the Steelers, that momentum, I tell you what, that momentum, the rest of the season is going to be hell. I don't give two, you know what, two drop the dried-up pigeon, you know what on concrete,

how bad our defense is. That momentum offensively, man, man, listen, man. I don't know It's going to be tough Now if we lose to the Steelers I mean that's it It's a wrap Oh yeah for sure

I mean our season is over Yeah and so that's that's the thing Because you know you look at Lamar And It's tough because in his era He got my homes There are a lot of quarter There are a lot of people that's going to get overlooked

Just like they got overlooked Ben didn't get the credit that he deserves. Drew Brees didn't get the credit that they deserved because why? They played in the era with Smackdown with Peyton Manning and Tom Brady. And you're talking about guys that got eight regular season MVP's and 10. No, hell not. Tom is nine and 12 Super Bowl appearances with nine wins. Yeah.

that's crazy man you know what's so funny too is we've been spoiled we've been spoiled by the Peyton mannings and the Tom Brady's and the Patrick Mahomes and the Joe Montana and people don't understand how difficult the Aaron Roders, the Brett Fart

they don't understand, Ben Roder all these quarterbacks and it's 32 teams it's 32 teams and it's only a handful of quarterbacks in each hand. Almost over 30 years that are tier one

quarterback. Yeah. That just lets people know how difficult that position is and how special those are that are in those conversations that we're talking about. And the fact that Lamar's name is in those conversations and went into MVP's and those unwritten rules kind of give you like a

he's not really there yet until he does this. So he got to get there. I'm not sure when it's going to happen. but it's going to happen before his career Yes, my bad Tom has 10 Super Bowl appearances God damn He has 10

Oh that's crick Lost to Eli twice And lost to a Nick Foles Yes Oh on the trick The Philly Special Yeah Yeah the Philly Special

Oh Cho Now here's the next five They had Lamar number one had Joy Love number two Justin Herbert number three Dak Prescott number four Trevor Lawrence number five Now Trevor Lawrence need to be with Lamar is

I'm gonna put Lamar down there If you're gonna put Lam on his list I'm gonna put him down at five Right man Trevor Lawrence Trevor Lawrence man I don't think Justin Herbert's overrated Let's see now that he has

Jim Harbaugh The one thing we know about Jim Harbaugh Yeah he's going to win they're going to play like our defense and he gets he's going to get to a Super Bowl I'm not going to say it's going to be this year

yeah but he's definitely going to get him he's getting there and listen and the way Justin Herbert is playing this year too up man Justin Herbert is throwing that ball absolutely hey quentin John

it is Quentin Johnston Quentin, Quentin Johnston. Mm-hmm. May young bull, young bull got his confidence. Playing extremely well. Laderes McConkey. Playing extremely well. Keenan Allen, that veteran presence in that locker room,

playing extremely well. So there really are no. The second. Now, I forgot about Arronday Gasson the second. Catching hell of that ball. Ben, Amarian Hampton, I think he's coming back. He's coming back on the back end of the season. I think he's going to be back.

no off injury they're going to make a nice little run they're going to make a nice little run. They're going to make a nice little run. They're going to have to get better, man. Joy Love, Joe Love is going to have to be better. I don't know if somebody doesn't got in his ear and talking about, bro, you've got to push the ball down the field, man.

You make too much money. You make too much money to be missing these throws. And I'm not saying you're going to make every. You're not going to make every throw. I get that. I understand. And I'm not trying to minimize playing that position because that's a position I couldn't play.

Very difficult. But come on, bro. That's why they play. The more do get paid, the more expectation and a burn that is placed on you. That's just the rules of engagement. Hey, can you imagine? Can you imagine being responsible?

Not only for a team, but playing the most important position on the field. The ball is in your hands the most. They paying you $50, $55 million a year. Matter of fact, forget a year. year. They pay you $50, $55 million in six months. Six months. And I need you to carry this franchise. Yeah. You're talking about pressure. I know it's the game of football. It's what we all done since we were four years old. But man, man. Yeah. But look, I'm with you, Ocho. I believe

Lamar Jackson is going to get to a Super Bowl. And once he gets there and he wins, it. It's over. Hey, get that monkey off my back so I can go play freely, please. Thank you. You see, think about it. I can get a prime example. LeBron James had two MVP's, but he had never,

he hadn't gotten to the finals. He had two, lost two. And then all of a sudden he won and got that monkey off his back? Yeah, it was a wrap. The problem is you must rather let Lamar get the monkey off his back. He might get the mic double you up. Go back to back, Jack. Yeah.

Hey, I got one question, too. Now that we're talking about those unwritten rules, especially in these conversations when it comes to quarterbacks and MVP's, it was just on my, well, it's kind of different because Jalen Hertz, Jalen Hertz has a Super Bowl MVP in a ring, so he's not in that conversation, correct? Okay. These are only guys in the Super Bowl era. Regular season MVP.

That have at least two regular season MVP. There are nine guys, Lamar make the 10th. Lamar's the only one that hasn't appeared any Super Bowl. Right, okay. And think about it. Peyton Manning never went back to back. Tom, Joe, and Mahomes are the only ones to go back to back of the group that. Right.

Peyton didn't go to back to back Super Bowls. Yeah. Kurt didn't. Kurt went 99. We won 2000. They went in 2001. he went again with Arizona, I think, in what was that, 2008?

I think it was 2008. Because 2009 was New Orleans, 2000, what you call it? Because seven was the Giants. Eight was the Steelers. Nine. Nine was, yeah, nine was New Orleans. Ten was the Giants again.

Yeah, 11 was the Packers. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm. Yeah. 11 was the Packers, 12 were the Seahawks. Oh, my man.

I'm sorry, I mean, I'm sorry. I'm just, you know, just going. But like I said, Ocho, once he gives that monkey off his back, Ocho. Yeah, yeah, you're going to be fine. And that shit hard, too. But now, I'm going to let's go. We've been on this thing about 30 minutes.

Oh, Joe, because you know why it's hard? because they say there's nothing like a game seven. Well, in the NFL, every game is a game seven. Every game, every game, wild card game seven. Division around, game seven. Game seven, conference final, game seven. Super Bowl, game seven. Football, you play a game seven every time you step on the field

in the playoffs in football. Matter of fact, four weeks. Yes. Four weeks of game, four weeks of game seven. Yes. And you got a muscle. it up and play your best football. You got to play your...

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We got a very special guest joining us. We got Texans, all-world cornerback. Man, he had an unbelievable one-handed interception that really started to come back. They came back from 19 down in the fourth quarter to win the ball game against the Jacksonville Jaguars, the division opponent. Here he is, a pro-bola, all-pro three picks this season,

including one against Trevor Lawrence. Here he is, Derek Stingley, Jr. Sting, what's going on, bro? Love him as, man. Have him here. What's up? I'm joining us, man, we really, really appreciate that. Go ahead, Ocho.

What's good? What's up? You good? I'm always good. Okay, I like that energy. I like that energy. I see you in the off-season. Oh, yeah.

Yeah. We got to run it. Bro, watching you play, and I think the thing is about any great corner, the one thing that they all have is patience. They ain't really biting that first move. Kind of look, bro, all that hair stuff. Let me ask you a question. your question what are you looking at you looking at his breastplate you're looking at his

hips because all this head doing all this and all there right there and these hips still coming straight at me so what when you when you lock in and you're playing press coverage what are you watching oh i'm looking more at the like mid thigh the back leg okay so like i start low so then when your eyes go up a little bit i end up around the hips and try to stay in that range right there so yeah how did you how did you learn to be patient because Because a lot of times, you know, these receivers are really good at round running, getting in and out of breaks. And I think the thing is that you can't be overreactive, always biting the first move. Now, you know, sometimes they, sometimes they're really are running a go.

And sometimes they're going to run, you know, they're trying to run you off and do this comeback or do this dig or do this over route. So, so how are you playing? I mean, obviously you study tape. You see formation. You're like, okay, you think y'all's slick. Y'all think y'all got a three by one. You think you're going to fool me with this split. Make it out of here.

Yeah, I mean, it's really. Really, because, I mean, I'm also fast. I feel like people don't think that I'm fast, but, like, I don't think you fans, huh? But I can run with pretty much anybody. So knowing that in my mind, like, you're not going to run away from me. So I play, like, low hip most of the time. I can, and we get down the field, the quarterback, you know, all quarterbacks don't throw accurate beat passes. So, you know, I can look back at a certain time knowing.

that the ball sometimes would be underthrown or inside or something like that then it's just go make a playoff of that. You know you ain't gonna have much time to throw it. Y'all got those two edge guys coming off the edge. So you're like, hey, I ain't got to come along. And there's every snap. Like they, and it's not even just them.

Like it's the whole, like the interior, like they push. Yeah, you got rankings, you got those guys. Yeah, they're pushing up the middle. And then you got the two on the outside and then they all rotate. So like, we got. three people deep in every position on the D-line, so every snap. But you wanted a few, obviously, I'm an enthusiast when it comes to, you know, some of the

better DB, just DB play in general, you know, and being able to watch all and study a game and study how you guys play. You have tremendous patience. You have tremendous patience similar to, like, Derell Revis in a sense. You're very good in bump and run. Watching a film, you can tell you watch film a lot and you understand the tendencies and what's coming and what's not. And your ball skills are second and none. Your ball skills are second than none because you're one of the few, few dbs that when the ball is in the air, you actually look back for it and you don't panic. Most of the time, you already know, most of the time, everybody always panic once the ball in the air.

And what the first thing you do, you pull your tug and you get a flag thrown. But your ball skills, man, is elite. You know, I haven't had a chance to give you your flowers. but just now I got the chance to, but you wanted the best. You know, we talk about top two, you write up there. So it depends on who you like based on preferences of you and brother, mother P2, dying in. Yeah, I appreciate you, man.

I appreciate that. Yes, sir. Hey, D. Steen, what's up, bro? Hey, tell me some, what have you learned from, you know, your father, your grandfather, coaching, and mentorship, you know, as you came into this league. What had they taught you kind of growing up? Well, my dad, so, you know, he coached in the arena football league for a long time.

He played in the arena. And since I was a little kid, like, as far back as I can remember, I'm doing DB drills with, like, his player. And, like, with full pads on as a little kid or, like, running routes against his DBEs as a little kid, like, double moves or. You know, whatever, like that. So being in that type of environment, it kind of taught me, for one, like the brotherhood that goes along with a football team,

because one, they was, they was, I guess you could say, like, they was those older figures that I saw as, like, superstars. Like, it was just like a family environment. Right. And so that told me brotherhood. And then, and then, like, seeing them go. out there and play on together knowing that they was close like off the field on whether that was dealing with me or you know doing their own thing or whatever um and then from my dad

like well then and then add notes to that like my dad he taught me how to deal with like energy levels on the on the field so you know you know big talker he tried to he's getting you're trying to get in your head, Sting. Oh, yeah. You know, like, he'll talk and he'll do all that. But me personally, like, if I make a good play, like, you probably won't see me do anything, like, whether if it's, like, PbU or something like that, like, I'll just walk off because, for one, I'd be tired, so, like, I don't have to do that.

And then, like, if something is too bad, then, you know, like, it's on to the next play. And I feel like as a defensive player, like that's just how you got to live life. And it's really like that for offense, too, like a receiver, tight-in, like, you drop the ball. Drop a pass, you got to move on. Like you can't think about it because then you start thinking about kissing the football.

You're going to keep on dropping the rest of it. So, you know, like stuff like that, like just regulating emotions and, you know, still playing with a passion and being fierce with it. but everybody don't need to know that like like you if you want to try to play me on the field i just show you by just playing the game like i don't need i don't need to talk because i don't know how to talk oh you don't talk you said what i said you don't talk so if somebody start yapping oh yeah oh i'm about to get this one today i'm about to get me a hundred today

got to get me about a couple tubs on me i'll probably just look well because i don't know how to talk trash talk so like i'll just look and i'll either laugh or i'll just be like okay like all right like oh no oh no hey oh hey oh hey um okay joe i'm gonna get it out um oh hey i'm i'm gonna get it out um just like this here ocho he like man what you do it so you're about what i'm doing that what i do it don't worry about it hey hey hey d sting tell of y'all look that's gonna motivate him he ain't got to say nothing yeah but he gonna be like okay right like it's a quiet confidence bro i don't know it's not it doesn't matter who it is like Like, Ocho said, like, I know you say that you'll be able to give me to talk on the field,

but I honestly would look at you crazy, and you're going to be like, what? Like, is something wrong with him? Like, why is he not? No, no, no, no. I'm going to get that work. Listen, I'm not going to talk on the field. I'm going to talk during the play. I'm going to talk during the route.

Like, I'm different, thing. Like, I'm different. Got to let him know, Ocho. We got to let you know, Sting. Hey, the whole time. We got two quiet dudes versus two talkers. Hey, that first down, Sting, that first down on you. First time.

Hey, hey, Sting, hey, hey, um, you know what they hit you with? Hey, every time I catch a ball, let me hit him with their own thing. Yeah? Yeah, oh, yeah, yeah, I don't. Hey, hey, Joe. That don't affect, I don't do that. So that don't affect me. No, yeah, you're right, you right.

I'm saying, like, you don't, my mind is, like, this is a deal, like, just, I don't know, cage or what it's. I tell you what y'all do, do. You let, when you got the interception, y'all ran to the end zone. So I get me a touchdown, I'm calling on my teammate. Come on, let go, let go. Oh, Joe, let go.

Look, yeah. Hey, Sting, you know who Sting remind me up too, and that's the way you carry yourself. And he's always, always even kill, no matter what, it's really hard to get him out of character. Andre Johnson. Yeah, exactly the same. Don't talk.

Yeah, Gray don't say nothing. No, at all. Steve, let me ask you a question. Who do you kind of pattern your game after? Because, I mean, like you kind of built like, like Revis, but I mean, there's Charles Wilson, there's Rod Wilson, there's Time, there's Revis, there's Darrell Green, there's Aneas Williams, there have been a lot of great corners. Like, so did you study film when you watch it, like, okay, this is the direction I'm going

in, and I think this is what I'm going to be at, in college, this is what I'm going to be at the next level. Who do you kind of pattern your game after, of it? Is there any similarities that you see between yourself and anybody that I mentioned? Maybe somebody I did. Yeah, nobody that you mentioned, but I've always, it's always been Tim Bailey for me. Okay. He's always the, you know, he gets the ball, he's locked down.

He's interchangeable. If he need to go play somewhere else, like in a different position, he can do it. Like, just because he knows the, know the defenses or no football. Yeah. He has always been. Any ward number 24, like that, yeah, that's, he's always been the person. That's the guy. So you like, you like, because I measure corners.

And there's not a knock on the corner that don't. But I like to see you get Freak with Flyer Miles. I like to see you travel. I mean, if you've got a bad dude and he normally, he's the X, I'm going to do. If he's a Z, I'm following there. If he's in the slot, I'm going to follow him there. If he in the back field, I'm lying up like a linebacker. Wherever you go, just know I'm going to be.

I mean, and that's a part of it. Like, that's a mindset. Like, I just want to cover the best. Like, if you're allowed to do it, you're allowed to do it, If you're not allowed to do it, then, you know, the people that aren't allowed to do it, I guarantee they wish that they can do it. So that's something that you can't knock somebody for. No, no, no, no. Some people just like, they got their defenses and you play left, he played right, whatever the case.

And that's how it was with Revis and Crow. Normally, Revis and Crowe, they stayed on one side, restayed on the other side. And so wherever you went, Sherman, and when they were in Seattle, he was on one side and Brandon Browner was on the other side. So let me ask your question. You got the big contract, and you know what comes along with big contracts, even more expectations. You've gone to the Pro Bowl. You've been an all pro. What are the expectations that Sting puts on himself? Damn, the outside pressure, what you put on yourself. Oh, well, really on myself, like, it's more about, like, like, technique. Like, it's sometimes, like, like, well, we kind of mentioned earlier on patience. We was talking about patience, right? So sometimes. or then you also said like kind of falling for the first move or wanting to react for the first move

like yes like people know I'm a patient defensive back at the line of scrimmage so I'll get harder moves like first steps thinking that okay yeah they're going like you know it's just a game within the game so I'm hard of myself like trying to make sure that I'm sticking true

to who I am and controlling controlling the game myself, not being reactive, but, like, you know, like, controlling the game. And then another thing is, like, yeah, I got all the pigs, the ball skills, whatever with the world. But I've said this before, like, last year I had, however many I had, like, interceptions, I could have had double that. Same thing for right now. I got however many I have right now, I should have double that. And those are the type of things that above me because I know my pops is, sitting in the stand somewhere just like mad at me like like frowning or something and i i can feel

them like like just being mad at me so but i'm also mad too so you know like those those are the main things for me because you know like i know how to catch a football so like why am i not catching the past on this or or that or why is this person getting like an inch of separation when they're when they're not supposed to like like you know like stuff like that like normal i mean I feel like that's normal, like, football stuff. Whatever. Let me ask you this. Do you think we're going to see somebody,

Dick Knight Train Lane, his rookie season, he had 14 picks. I think in 1980, Lester Hayes had 13 picks. And we haven't seen anybody. We've seen a 10. You saw we just saw. He's at 11. Did.

D. He had 11. He had 10. And we've seen a lot of 10. Champ Bailey one year had 10. But we really haven't seen somebody get. that 12, 13 to really challenge that 14. We do have an extra game now. And I think our train got here, if they haven't to having 12 games, I think I'm not mistaken. Could

have been, I think it was 12 games. Hmm. Dick, Nate, who did? Diggs had 11. Do you think we'll see somebody ever get 15 picks in the season? 15. 15. I mean, you could, you could, like if, like, let's say, what's his name, uh, some Paul, uh, he played for the, for Washington for for yeah yeah he he had four and one game so like i feel like if somebody yeah or or this was either last year or two years ago uh deris slate going against uh justin jefferson and i think he had two or my yeah i think he had two but he could have had like six that game so like those type of games where you just catch all the ones you're supposed to catch yeah you got to catch all the then just play like your normal game like you know you get one every nine then whatever i then i think

it's possible but if you don't i think it's probably come from a it's probably going to come from a safety somebody that's roaming um but you're right because normally they target it but once he start catching them they start going away from yeah but you know you're covering you're covering the best receiver like they got to throw him all oh they go feed him now but then that then they go start They're going to start stacking him, start running you, start running you off picks and everything and do it all that other stuff, try to run a bunch of shallow cross.

Then they go whip you. They're going to start him in hard, do Zorro, do everything to try to get you off his tail. There's still opportunities, though, like regardless of whether they try to hide their receiver or not, like, if you're on them, you own them. So that's the opportunity right there. Right now, look, we know there only take seven teams to the playoffs.

Right now, you guys are four and five, and your third in your own division. You lost a couple of games that you're looking at. I mean, I'm sure when you went back and watched the film, like, that team shouldn't beat us. That team should not have beat us. What are you guys going to do? You're four and five, four and five with eight games to play.

What do you guys need to do to position yourself to make sure if you're not challenging for the division, you get one of those remaining three playoff spots? Well, I mean, you know, going into every week, you wash away the week before and you don't look past the week that you're on but one of the things that that uh my position coach dino uh he he always say just just do your do your job like like do take care of what you got to take care of and then like don't go out there chasing plays don't go out there like just doing your own thing like just do what you're supposed to do and then

if everybody do that then you know the result of be what you would want it to be um so i think everybody just got to do that so uh and that's that's with every sport that's with job that's with life that's with everything just do what you're supposed to do and then you know the results still it comes well well you'll get some opportunity to get some picks you got uh the titans coming up you got calvin riddlet buffalo they got a bunch of guys and then the coals they got pierce and pitman junior and then you got the chiefs you got worthy and you got rushie rice So you got juju. So you're going to get some.

And then you got the Cardinals, Marvin Harrison, Jr. The charges got what they got. So you got some opportunities. So I'm expecting we have this conversation again in about eight weeks. I'm going to be looking like, okay, Steve, I mean, last I talked to you had three. I need to see by six or seven. We talk again. Easy.

Yeah. Yeah. I mean, you know, it is what it is. I don't know. No, it is what I need. I need six or seven. I mean, hey, ain't. these things stay locked in don't let them don't let them try to hey you out here trying to jump on

everything you all right yeah stay locked in bro hey stinger i got one more question i got i got one more question you know a lot a lot of times especially when a player is active you know they're in their prime they're playing extremely well and they play db they never get opportunity to to give receivers their flowers or receivers that really not saying beat them but you got to really be on your a game you got to dot your eyes and cross your t's when you're playing against a certain person that really have you out there thinking, you know, you got to bring your A game. Is there anybody that comes in mind for you since you've been in the league, where you just know, okay, when I'm playing so-and-so, I got to be on the board.

Oh, well, yeah, since I've been there, yeah, yeah, it's a, actually, it's a lot of people because we're in the NFL, like, everybody's. Right, right. But I've always said Gary Wilson with the, with the Jets, like he, like, I remember the first time I went against when we was at some, like, we was at some high school camp. It was an opening or something of that.

Ryan Clark was actually my coach. Yeah. Garrett, he ran like a slant rock, whatever with the wood. And I'm playing, like, a deep third or something. And the ball is thrown so high. And I'm like 20 yards behind, like 15, 20 yards behind him.

I'm thinking the ball coming right. to me like and he jumps up so high like he jumps up so high catches the ball just running and I'm just looking like yeah that but since I've been in the league like yeah going to get him I think I've played against him like twice already right and he yeah I mean he's nice like he's nice and it but it's a lot of people it's so many people I can't even DeMonte Adams always um yeah Tariq uh Mike Evans nobody talk about Mike Evans for some strange reason like like he he's Mike Evans like it's yeah but it's a lot of people I can't think of everybody but yeah right there you and your dad Derek senior run cover one

elite tell us about that what is cover one elite oh so it's really just like a like a DB camp um like couple years like well we went to Hawaii for a couple years get some people like all throughout the league um okay well there's people I played like in college with or just know like throughout the league um so they'll go down there last year we had in Puerto Rico um actually we was just talking about it like maybe we can get this in greece next year like you know like just going what about safety y'all invite y'all invite 57 you're on safety i mean hey look it don't matter if you want to come you just know you're going work but but damn y'all working on a granddad day damn i'm a granddad damn i'm a grand

If you want to call, you're going to have to work. Like, it ain't, like, you didn't get a free trip. Like, come on. Right. Oh. Damn, I thought I was going to be able to go to Mika, Nose, and Santorrierea. You know, get some olive oil, ocho, some cheese down. You know, you got to work.

Look, you can work. All right, so the way, the way it's set up is we normally go out there for, like, I think it's like five days or something or six days. On the first day, travel day, next day, work day, then you're off the next next next next. day, then you've got another work day, then you're off the next. So, you know, you can do whatever. Oh, okay, okay, okay, okay. Yeah, you can do your business is your business. And then, and then we-

I ain't rid of no cover safety, don't you know, Steve? You know what, you know what I'm saying? Hey, they call me graveyard, because when I lead the field, their bodies everywhere. So you know what I'm saying? All I want you to do is funnel it to me. Hey, Sting, just funnel it to me. Don't even worry about, hey, don't even worry about that slant.

I got that. It's all good. I got that. We got safety, we got line. I'll put that soup on the side of the here. We bring like four linebackers or two to four linebackers, save these, like, it's everybody. So come on.

I like that. I like some son. Then you got look, you got look. You go on that 2019 national championship team, that great team. Probably the greatest team, one of the greatest teams ever assembled in college, arguably the one of the greatest, you can make a case, it's the greatest offensive team, but what you guys were able to do, you Joe, Joe,

world with the quarterback and Jetta and Chase and Marshall and Bad Mawson, Clyde Edwards Aller and all those great offensive linemen, the DBs like yourself. They fired Brian Kelly. How do you guys get back to something similar to that? Well, LSU that alums and everybody in Boosters are proud to show up to Death Valley. No, we couldn't somebody ask tonight. Well, honestly, I mean, it really just come down to whoever they bring in, whoever it doesn't it doesn't matter who they bring in like as long as the the players like

they really buy in to being at lSU like you know you can you can go to a certain school you can you can be from here and be from there but once you get to where you're at like you got to know what the goal is and mom like yeah you're at the university yeah you're doing all this and that but the goal is still be to get to the next level so once everybody come get in the tune with that like and really break down like how can we be great like that's that's what it's going to take so i don't think it mattered like who who it is or or what it takes from the i'm just saying from the coaches standpoint like that that doesn't matter like the players buying it to themselves first and then the coach's like just adding on to that

because you got great facilities tremendous fan base stadium is a lot Electric Death Valley at night. There's nothing like playing in Death Valley at night. Man, that's Derek Stingley, Jr., the great all-pro cornerback from the Houston, Texas. D. Sting, thanks for some time tonight. I appreciate that. Continue success. Stay healthy.

Look, when we talk to you in January, I'm going to be looking at the stats because I know you got three now. I'm like, okay, hey, Ocho, we got to call him back up. He doesn't got Sylvan. Oh, yeah. I appreciate you, though. We don't. Appreciate you, man. Congratulations on all the success.

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