Nightcap - Best of NFL News Part 1: Myles Garrett TURNS DOWN $1M, OSU Draft prospect Kayden McDonald got the trio CRACKING UP

Episode Date: April 14, 2026

Shannon Sharpe and Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson are talking about the Philadelphia Eagles quietly adding some new receiver talent ahead of the 2026 NFL Draft, and with A.J. Brown's future in Philly still ...up in the air, Unc and Ocho can't help but wonder if the end of an era is closer than anyone wants to admit. The guys break it all down and share why they think Brown's time with the Eagles might be winding down sooner rather than later. Subscribe to Nightcap presented by PrizePicks so you don’t miss out on any new drops! Download the PrizePicks app today and use code SHANNON to get $50 in lineups after you play your first $5 lineup! Visit https://prizepicks.onelink.me/LME0/NI... 0:00 - Troy Aikman consults with Dolphins on offseason move14:10 - Kayden McDonald joins the show!37:30 - Myles Garrett has skipped the start of team's offseason program Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #Club  See omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Starting point is 00:02:45 Go ahead and click that subscribe button below so you don't miss a single episode of Nightcap. That button right here. Come for the sports. Stay for the story. What you got? Sat down with Clarence Hill Jr. and spoke on working with the Dolphins as a consultant in the offseason. Let's listen to what Troy had to say.
Starting point is 00:03:06 I don't know. I think the dolphins were wise in understanding my relationships around the league and knowing that I have information that they don't have or can't get. And I think they were smart in taking advantage of that, whether it was through me or through somebody else. The Cowboys have never elected to do that, at least with me. You know, maybe they have with others. But no, I don't feel there's a conflict. But But I will say I'm pulling for the dolphins. And I know that because now I have something at stake. And I think they hired two really talented, wonderful people.
Starting point is 00:03:48 And I think that's going to prove itself out. Now, 26 is going to be a tough season because of the cap that took a big hit when they, when that led to a go. But, you know, time will tell. But, yeah, I'm pulling for them. I want to see them do well because I feel like my fingerprints are on it as well. Well, Cowboy didn't mind. You're going to trade Jordan Brooks and Cowboys?
Starting point is 00:04:07 I like Jordan Brooks. That's my guy Clarence Hill, Jr. I've known Clarence for a while. He's always at the Super Bowl. He used to be the beat writer for the Cowboys. I think he's kind of doing his own thing, not right, isn't he? Or is he still with the Cowboys? But he got an opportunity to sit down with Troy,
Starting point is 00:04:29 who's one of the great players in Cowboys. Yes, sir. Joe, what do you think about in Ocho, you can chime in with this, man. What do you think about Troy, one of the great players in Cowboys history, and Jerry allowed him to give Intel to the Dolphins? I mean, I don't understand what kind of intel is he going to have that the organization and the resources that they have that they can't find out on their own. When it comes to picking players, when it comes to getting players, I mean, there's film
Starting point is 00:05:00 study, you have scouts, you have GMs. I think it's more of GMs. I think it's more of gyms than coaches because he gets an opportunity to talk to these people. He's not in production meeting 19 weeks of the year. Troy is. He's not joining,
Starting point is 00:05:15 not meeting with head coaches than general managers. Troy is. Yeah. But how is that? So he's picking up schemes and what they do and how they operate. Hey, hold on, oh, Joe.
Starting point is 00:05:26 So the dolphins gave Akeman a job? As a consultant, they say, look, we got a couple of, probably a couple hundred thousand or a million dollars to come here, look at assess what we have, look at where you think we're weak, where we're strong, where we can get better,
Starting point is 00:05:42 who are some of the coaches, who are some of the executives that you think would work well here in Miami? Oh shit, y'all know Jerry ain't studying it. He don't need, you know none of that matter, huh? You could have Jesus and the 12 disciples in the goddamn Dolphins front office
Starting point is 00:05:59 if you ain't got the goddamn product on the field. But who picking the players? You don't think, you don't think the people, you don't think the guy in Detroit did a good job of picking the players. He traded for golf. He picked J-Mo.
Starting point is 00:06:12 He picked Gibbs. He picked Ammon Ra. He picked Hutchinson. He picked all those guys. What about the guy in Chicago? Phenomenal. Pohl's, Brad Holmes, if I'm not mistaken, is in Detroit?
Starting point is 00:06:24 So what about these guys that the guy did in Chicago? It's not making a difference? Mm-mm. Look at where they were before. those guys took over and look at where they are now. You think Hyr-Rosman is not making a difference? Oh, huge difference. You think Brett Beach, who's picking the guys in Kansas City.
Starting point is 00:06:42 And I can ask you a question? Yes. So do you think that the answer to the Dolphins problem is getting the answers from Eggman? Eggman? I think the thing is that they're looking for who do you think would be a fit. Right. You see the thing is you can have a fit, but if Jerry's going to say,
Starting point is 00:07:02 I want you to play this guy or I want you to take that guy, but that guy might not fit the offensive scheme. He might not fit the defensive scheme, but Jerry likes it. Then what do I do? And then if it doesn't work, then who gets blamed, don't you? Just like the lucre trade. Who gets blamed for the lucre trade, Ocho? Mr. Nico.
Starting point is 00:07:24 But who made that decision? Josh Dumont. Up top. This is why the Cowboys don't have it. Look, I think the thing is that Troy has access because he's doing these production meetings. He's talking to head coaches. He's talking to assistants because sometimes obviously the head coach ain't leaving, but you're talking to a defensive coordinator.
Starting point is 00:07:46 You're calling a linebacker coach. You're talking to this or that. Or you're talking to front office people and they're giving you intel. And he said, well, I think this got to be a great fit for who you, for who you are, your personality. I think this guy would be the, because at the end of the day, Ocho, when we put this thing together,
Starting point is 00:08:05 and I said, I think Ocho, Ocho, why Ocho? I said, because he don't take himself serious and he's the direct opposite of me. I'm serious and he very little stuff serious. But he understands the game. So you got to have a pair. You got to have a match. I can't have somebody
Starting point is 00:08:22 the exact same as me, but I couldn't have somebody the exact Ocho and somebody that's the exact, or Ocho, that's not going to work either. Yeah. So you have to have a yin and a yang. You have to have a give, a pull and a push. I agree.
Starting point is 00:08:37 I, I, I, look, Jerry, Jerry, Jerry, Jerry, look, Jerry, Jerry wants the credit. This thing works. Jerry's going to get all the credit. That's just the way it is. That ain't. And I'm a firm believer that you don't realize how successful something can be. as long as you don't care who gets the credit. Jerry wants the credit.
Starting point is 00:09:01 That's why he's the GM and the owner. GM owner, VP. Yeah. I mean, all I know is Mr. Kraft. Mr. Kraft, like, he's the owner. He ain't have a whole bunch of titles, but all I know is how many times he picked that trophy up? How many times did Clark Hunt pick that trophy up?
Starting point is 00:09:20 How many times is Jeff Lurie picked that trophy up? Jerry ain't picked that trophy up in 30 years, old Joe. Hmm. You're not changing. You're not changing. I mean... All right, not too much, fellow. Not too much.
Starting point is 00:09:40 Not too much. But that's the thing. As long as you don't care who gets the credit, you can be really, really good. But if you start thinking about... Because sometimes you undermine your own self because you care... You worried about who getting the credit.
Starting point is 00:09:53 Right. I want to win. Yeah. I get it. I still don't think. Obviously, even though, you know, Troy Aikman, obviously Super Bowl winning quarterback, he does what he does.
Starting point is 00:10:07 Superb analyst, you know, color and commentary when it comes through helping the Dolphus franchise and changing some of the things. And I just don't, I don't see it. I don't see it. Tell me what you don't see. Maybe Joe and I can help you see what you don't see. No, nothing going to see
Starting point is 00:10:24 because we're going to see when it's time to play, that regards to who you come in there, it's not going to change until you get the goddamn players. You have to be, and you got that. We haven't had the products in Damarino. We haven't had the products in Dan Marino. But I don't know if you've had,
Starting point is 00:10:39 I don't know if you've had a look. And you hear this stuff coming out about, about McDaniels and guys possibly didn't respect to them and how he talked to the players in X, Y, and Z. There has to be a healthy combination. There has to be good players, but the players have to have a respect for a coach, It's got to be that.
Starting point is 00:10:58 If the players don't respect the coach, they're going to run them up. Go ahead. Before Mike McDaniels, who do we have? The black guy that's in D.C. In Minnesota. Yes. He was respected. He was respected.
Starting point is 00:11:13 He was. But the thing was he didn't want the quarterback that the owner overruled him. He what? Again, see, there's a problem. That's where the problem lies. You have someone that knows football already and understand what it takes to win, listen, I don't think he's the answer for our
Starting point is 00:11:31 organization going forward. So now the owner was the problem. Yeah. My thing is, if you hire somebody to do a job, or you're going to let him do the job. If you hire somebody to do your roof, you're going to be out there telling him what he should, how he should do it? Or are you going to let or are you going to let the both folks do it, Joe? You have asked somebody to do a job in your house if you weren't there to tell it, well, you should have did it. Right, right. If you're telling him what to do, why are you paying him this money? When you know what to do, just do it yourself. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:12:04 Yeah. But like you said, Ocho, we'll see if they get the right pieces, if this the right coach, if this is the right general manager. They clearly didn't believe. They believed that they were bloated. They believed that their quarterback and some of the other pieces that they have, they weren't going to win. And they went for it.
Starting point is 00:12:24 Give them credit. Stephen Ross Belize and look, let's go for it. I'm going to sign Tyreek. I'm going to sign Bradley Chubb. I'm going to sign a lot of these guys. It didn't work out. Yeah. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:12:36 Now they start from scratch, boy. They're absolutely. They're absolutely start from scratch. It's going to be a rough, what, one or two years, Joe? Ain't even saying that, though. Because they got all that dead cap money. Yeah. You think they got Tyreeks money?
Starting point is 00:12:51 They got Tours money. They got Tours money. Cool. Did they trade Mika Fitzpatrick? They traded somebody. They got a lot of, they got a lot of other money out there. So you got a hundred,
Starting point is 00:13:03 you got $100 million in dead cap money. Oh, Joe, your gupp is, your gupp is going. Yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo, yo. Hey, listen, my, my, my, my dolphin, my old cowboy is in the same boat, homie. No, oh, no, no, no, no. No, no. We're in the same boat.
Starting point is 00:13:21 We are not in the same bowl of them guppies. Don't do that. Joe, when the season ended, y'all was on the same couch we was on. What is you talking about? Ocho, you know y'all starting over, Ocho, come on, stop it, now. We got some promise over here. Okay.
Starting point is 00:13:35 Oh, no, don't do that. Don't do that. 30 years, are you serious about promise? You've been trying to get out wide receiver since the season been going on. Hold on. You still got promise after 30 years. You still believe that?
Starting point is 00:13:47 Yeah, we got a decent team, Ocho. We're going to be all right. Yeah, we got a decent team. We need a little help defensively. Yo, you have a decent team every year, Joe. y'all say the same thing every year joe you talk about delusion this is part of it joe you part of the problem no no you're being naive now you're naive with them damn bangles that's who's naive we better than y'all that's a damn lie we'd be better than y'all no yeah no okay we'll we'll see this year all right
Starting point is 00:14:15 we play y'all we're gonna play y'all this year i would hope not joe i would hope that's not what you won't well i bet the house i know we're gonna run mud hole in y'all oh who gonna stop Who's going to stop Jamar? Joe. Who's going to stop team? The cowboys are faced with an approximately between 175 and 182 million in dead cap money, which is about 58 to 60 percent of their total cap space. Tua, Hill, Jalen Wattle, where they still got him.
Starting point is 00:14:48 And, oh, no. I thought they traded. They traded Jail and Water to the Broncos. Yeah. So, Tua, Hill, Waddle. and Ramsey. So guys are not even on their team eating up their cap space.
Starting point is 00:15:01 And Tyreek Hill too, right? Yeah. Yeah. Tua, Tyreek Hill, Jalen Wadle, and Jalen Ramsey. Damn. That's crazy. The most ever was $127 million in 2022. So they're over almost $60 million clear of that.
Starting point is 00:15:19 Damn. They're real tall. $56 million in the dead cap space. Waddle is 26. Bradley Chub is somewhere between 10.9 and 20, and also with Tyreek Hill and Jalen Ramsey. Damn. So basically, over the next couple of years,
Starting point is 00:15:36 they're going to have to build this thing. They're going to have to hit it out of the park, Ocho and Joe, with their draft pick. And they draft. Yep. Yep. When you got that kind of deck, when you got that kind of deck, you can't spend no money in free agency.
Starting point is 00:15:49 Who they got the quarterback this year? They signed the guy from Green Bay. Malik Willis. Yeah, we got Malik Willis. Yeah, who he got to throw to? Ocho. Tutu Atwell. Tutu Atwell, Washington.
Starting point is 00:16:09 You know, some other guy, I mean, just, I mean, no disrespect. Just, you know, some guys. Some guys, you know, they're decent. You know, it ain't no Justin Jefferson, no Jamar chases. And I mean, nothing like that. We have a good core receivers. We still need a dog, though. You do.
Starting point is 00:16:23 You need a dog. Because you look at what Malik. Leak Willis was able to do in Green Bay when Joe and Love went down and understand the success he had, but also look at the supporting cast he had. Look at who he was doing it with. Exactly. So I don't think you sign him and you bring him into the Dolphins repeat the success he had in Green Bay, but he ain't got the same supporting cast.
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Starting point is 00:20:31 Spence this lineman of the year, Outland Trophy finalists, a first team all Big Ten, two-time academic all-Big Ten. Here he is, Caden MacDonald. Cade, what's going on, man? What are you doing? What's happening? Hey, man. Hey, man, thank for joining us, bro.
Starting point is 00:20:46 KM. KM was good, right? Yeah, what you here, man, Ocho, man, the goat. Hey, Joe. Hey, what's up? Joe from Arkansas, man. I'm from Arkansas, too, man. Yeah, what's happening, bro?
Starting point is 00:20:57 Hey. Then you come, didn't you grow up here in the Lammas? though? Yeah, yeah, I was Texas out Canada. I was born in Texas Island. Okay, yeah. Yeah, yeah. Wait, boy, I knew something about you.
Starting point is 00:21:09 Boy, you're good people as you man. Oh, yeah. I got one question, Joe, man. Why I couldn't get an NBA championship, man? What you mean? For the Hawks, man. I grew up a Hawks, man. Like, I couldn't get one?
Starting point is 00:21:22 Man, come on. Come on. Come on. Don't act like that, now. Don't act like that. Hey, I'm going to make sure they get one here soon, though. Don't even worry about that. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:21:31 What high school did you go to? I went to the North Gwinnett, you know, Suwanee. Gwinnett County, Gweneck County got the best football, so all the dogs come out there. Okay. Yeah. They have. Gwett County has really, they've really built up all those schools out there because they've really gotten, and now you got Buford out there, you got, you know, all those big-time schools out there.
Starting point is 00:21:54 Wait, wait. Because it used to be, it used to be South. It used to be the Val Dostas, the Tift County, the Warner Robbins. All those schools were big. Now y'all just done took Lyons County. Wait, hold on. Hold on. Hold on. Cater says some dogs come out of there. I need to hear names of some of the dogs that came out of that school.
Starting point is 00:22:10 All this. We got, say, we're going to start. We're going to go old school. We're going to go C.J. O'Zuma. Okay, okay. New school. We had Josh Downs, Barry Carter. Okay, okay.
Starting point is 00:22:24 Big, bro, Jada McDonald's, man, all American. That's my big, bro. Okay. Wait, all them. All them from L.L.? Yeah, well, the whole Gwinnett County, we got Caleb Downs, Travis Hunter, all them boys. Ooh. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:22:39 Okay. I ain't know that. I ain't know that. I like that. I like that. You know. All right. What click for you this year?
Starting point is 00:22:48 You're all American. Obviously, six to three hundred and twenty-six pounds. You can do a lot, get you twitchy, can collapse the pocket, can rush the quarterback, can stop the run. What click for you this year? What was it about this year? You say, you know what, I got all this. You put it together.
Starting point is 00:23:05 So make a long story short, you put it together. And I'll just say, man, opportunity. I got a chance to make something happen. I had like 13 games. Like every play I treated like opportunity. You know, one day I want to be on that cover. So it's just like, it's that mentality, you know. I'm on the field.
Starting point is 00:23:25 You know, I got the black face going. You know, I'm on it. Yeah, I'm all the way in it. Lost in. Yeah. For sure. Yeah. Hey, so far, right, obviously having a great season this year with Ohio State.
Starting point is 00:23:37 The process, obviously, your childhood dream is wanting to make it to the NFL. How has the process been so far? Has it been everything you dreamed of to date that you thought it would be before you even made it? But I'll just say, yeah, for sure, man. You know, when you a kid, especially coming from Arkansas, ain't nothing but one gas station. You don't know. You know, growing up, man, just, no, it's a drink. come true. You know, we ain't, I ain't never dream
Starting point is 00:24:03 about this when I was a kid, you know, he was just living. No. Okay. Yeah, yeah, yeah, but, you know, growing up, man, it was just, you know, we played ball. No, I've been playing since I was four, so, man, this has been my life, you know. Hey, hey, tell me something. What's your plans for the draft, man?
Starting point is 00:24:19 You plan on going down to Pittsburgh for the draft? Hey, man, I'm going to have that big Cuban on. I got my little one on right now, but school, double-stet, popping it. Yeah. Put that thing on. Hey, whole family gonna be there.
Starting point is 00:24:34 What kind of watch you're gonna have on? What kind of watch you're gonna be wearing? Two-tone AP. Ooh. Ooh. Oh, too-tone AP. Oh, man. Oh, man.
Starting point is 00:24:46 Hey, that boy got money. Two-tone. Yeah, yeah. He said he got the big Qibon. Nah. The big Cubana. He said, yeah, they're pretty. It's pretty.
Starting point is 00:24:54 I like it. Listen, I got, I got one more question. I got one more question. Obviously, there are certain players that you watch. watching the next level. I'm sure there's some players that you aspire to be like or that you look up to.
Starting point is 00:25:06 Who do you can pay your playing style to and who are players in the NFL right now that you look up to and say, you know what, I want to make my mark or leave my mark like they did? So I'll be like, you feel me? I like physical defensive tackles, man.
Starting point is 00:25:22 Yes, sir. Like me, I don't really, I look at other NFL players, but no, my game is special. Like, you see me on the field making these plays. You know, I had 65 tackles from the head-up nose position. Ain't nobody doing that.
Starting point is 00:25:35 Yeah. I'm trying to make my own mark, you feel me? Yeah. I like it. But I'll say, like, man, Aaron Donald, Cam Hayward, you know, he came out of Pichy Ridge. That's who I was going to say probably Cam Hayward. Because he's a guy that plays like, he can play the, he can play the tilt, he can play the under. Most of the time he lines up, he can be the three.
Starting point is 00:25:56 I mean, the head up the nose. He can be the three. He can be the five. He can be the defensive end. He's multiple, but he's physical. Hey, I got a question. Hey, I got a question for you. Hey, what's your superstition on, like, the game day?
Starting point is 00:26:09 Like, what's one thing you got to do on the game day that you ain't chained? Oh, man, I was very superstitious. And once I started this, even when I went to Baltimore, the trainers, I told the trainers, obviously I have my pad, you know, double-sided tape on my pad. That's in, they're in my locker. I need three packs of big red. I need probably like six ad mail.
Starting point is 00:26:33 Oh my God. I need three. I need three blueberry cake donuts. I need long, I need long linemen socks that I'm going to get, take out my locker and I'm going to go give them back to the equipment guy and get running back socks. I get tape.
Starting point is 00:26:51 I get a regular routine tape job to go out there. And then I come back in and I get retake again, but I get it taped to my skin. Yeah. I do the same thing. you know, I go stand on the road, Kate, I would go stand, I would press the elevator, and I would go stand in front of the elevator door
Starting point is 00:27:08 that I thought was going to open. And I had to do that until I got it right. So if it's three, four elevators, I'm going to press it, and I'm going to go stand in front of one that I think is going to open. And was that door open that I'm standing in front of? Oh, they're in trouble. That team that we're playing in trouble. I already know what you was on.
Starting point is 00:27:22 Hey, you have superstitions. You had a routine that you followed. Yeah. I don't know. I just, no, my superstition, like, now, I was big in my faith. So, like, every, before every game, no, I'll just open up the Bible. I'll pray first. And, like, whatever scripture comes up, and I'll just read it. And, like, it's like, it's a different meaning, like, to me, when I read, you know, I read in, like, just words and, like, just words, like, strength, you know, God got you,
Starting point is 00:27:53 things like that. Yeah. Like, it always comes for tuition, like, in real life. And, like, I just forever been doing that, you know? Yeah, it's so funny. Why Ohio State? That's what, wow, Ohio's what? You got Georgia, you got Babi, you got all them schools and you go, you leave Georgia.
Starting point is 00:28:10 I mean, you leave eight to eight and go way to Ohio. Man, you know, this, wait, this draft, man, we got five guys in the first round, man. Oh, I got to give a special shout out to all the five, man. We got Caleb, man, if you went here, Cardnell, Arvel, Sonny, them boys, man, them boys, some dogs. We develop, man. It's a real development. Yeah. You know, it prepare you every day.
Starting point is 00:28:34 You train like a pro. No, nutrition. You got to be like a pro. You got to be accountable every day on and off the field. I like that. Hold on, hold on. Hold on. You said one word.
Starting point is 00:28:44 You said, I heard a word that I hear all the time. You said nutrition. Now, when it comes to nutrition, what would you diet look like? What are you eating? What they tell you to eat? Like I said, man, I'm big in that seafood, man. I'm a seafood secret. No, hey, shout out on the team, man.
Starting point is 00:29:00 Seafood, man. I'm a big salmon guy. I love me to see salmon. Okay. Especially, I'm superstitious, man. I eat the same thing the whole week, man. On the Tuesday, I go salmon. Wednesday, Chipotle.
Starting point is 00:29:13 Thursday, we got to go. Yeah. We got to go big, man. Shout out McDonald's. Oh, we got to go big, man. That's what I'm talking about. You know what I see? See, just because of that, I'm telling you right now.
Starting point is 00:29:24 I'm telling you right now, boy, you're going to be great. You're going to be great. For the simple fact, hey, listen, you're not, you eating healthy, but obviously you're going, you're going other places too. Like, you know, McDonald's was me. I wasn't superstitious, but I had McDonald's every game. I still eat today, and I think that's the reason for my success. You don't get hurt often.
Starting point is 00:29:45 You know why you don't get hurt often? It ain't the salmon. It's not your nutritionist. It's the fact that you eat Big Macs. I'm telling you that's what it is. I know what I talk about. Hey, Matt. Hey, Mac.
Starting point is 00:29:56 Listen, how much your weight, bro? Three what? Like 325 right now. Solid. Oh, that's life. That's life for him. But when I watch you on the field, though, you're so nimble so you carry their weight so well.
Starting point is 00:30:08 How's your training regimen? Like, how you get nimble? Like, is football the only sport you ever played? Bro, man, you got to really look me up. You got to do your research, man. I've been hooping since I was five, man. Yeah. I really wanted to become a hoop.
Starting point is 00:30:23 I really wanted to become like you, man. I used to go to the game. I see Joe Johnson. You feel me? Mike Bibi, Jamal Crawford? Yeah. Man, yeah, all that. But, no, I was a multi-sport athlete.
Starting point is 00:30:35 You know, in high school, I played running back. I had like 500 yards, 12 touchdown. Damn. And I was a dollar. Damn. Kay? Oh, you was told that big, huh? Yeah, for sure.
Starting point is 00:30:45 But see, you see what happened, Kay? When you start eating the Big Macs, you grew out of running back position. See, if you're the game of the Big Macs and kept eating salmon, you'd have been a running back. You'd have been Jamir Gibbs. But you don't know. You have been Derek Henry. Hey, what will be my nickname if I was a running bat?
Starting point is 00:31:03 They'll call you Big Mac. Big Mac. Yeah. You've been running over people. Yeah. Your name would be Big Mac. What? You'd have been running.
Starting point is 00:31:15 Hey, so in what position you play in basketball? Were you the point? You the center? Hey, you're the two. I did it. Oh, man. I'm like point guard, man. I got to facilitate the offense, man.
Starting point is 00:31:24 Run through me. You got to run through me. Okay. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Could you dunk? No.
Starting point is 00:31:32 I was a floater. I'm floaters. There you go. Oh, you, are you, Dave, Lord. You let the hard. You take over. Yeah. I like it.
Starting point is 00:31:43 I like it. So, I mean, obviously, as Ocho asked you to say, you know, this was a lifelong dream. You grew up, you know, play it in Texarkana, and later moving to Atlanta, and then playing the game of football. You played it. JV. Pop 1. on a JV high school football, college football. Now, everything that you had is right there.
Starting point is 00:32:04 We're basically two weeks away. Yeah. We're two weeks away from the draft. Two weeks. And everything that you had hoped for and you dreamed about, you prayed about, you said you're a man of faith, and it's about to happen. Have you thought about in that moment, are you going to get emotional? Are you going to think, you know, like, damn, mom, we did it.
Starting point is 00:32:25 Bro, so we hear that. Man, I think about that every day. It's getting closer. We two weeks away. No, just like the whole life, my whole life, man, I just, I felt like the underdog. You know, I finally get to celebrate with the people that's the closest to me. You know, mama, no, mama, you know, I got big bro, sister, auntie, all the fan from Arkansas coming.
Starting point is 00:32:48 Yeah. You know, so, yeah, my best friends from Georgia, you know, it's going to be a good night. And just all the work I put in, you know, it's a lot of. a sacrifice you got to make. I know as a kid, like, back in home that's looking up to me, so, you know, I got to make that happen so they can do the same thing I'm doing, and that's my motivation.
Starting point is 00:33:07 That's what so. Hey, hey, Kay, May, one thing I'm going to tell you, bro, I know you probably working your butt off right now because, you know, you're about to, you know, approach your lifelong dream. The one thing I'm going to tell you, bro, keep that dog mentality.
Starting point is 00:33:24 Even when you get drafted, even when you get that, like, never let your foot up. You know what I mean? Keep working hard, bro. And I always remember, you know, never lose that discipline that you have now. You know, the workouts that you got to go through,
Starting point is 00:33:38 how you eat. Man, when you get in the NFL, bro, don't let up, bro. Don't let up. For sure. You see that hunger? Because a lot of times what happened is that they, okay, my lifelong dream would get to the NFL. Well, not because this is not the destination.
Starting point is 00:33:57 this is the journey. Your destination is once you're done with your career. So that same drive and determination that you got up every and trained for in high school and what you did in college because the scotry report says you're a striker, which lets me know you're great with your hands and you're like, I'm physical.
Starting point is 00:34:13 And the one thing I know about Matt Patricia, and he knows how to come up with the run game. You got to be great with your hand. Nah, son. Ah, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, uh, so on out. Hey. You try to go somewhere. You try to get up on the line back in the middle.
Starting point is 00:34:26 Oh, you're right here. Shade. Yeah, Coach Matt Patricia, you know, he put a lot on my back this year. And it's one thing he always be telling me, he'd be strong in the middle. You know, that's where it starts. Yeah, no, that's where it's going in. And I just took it personal. Each game, you know, now we're here draft.
Starting point is 00:34:44 So, man, it's a blessing, you know. Yeah. You're going to be all right. You know, I know you're going to be right because I ask you who you can pay yourself to, who you are the people that, you know, you inspire to be like. And you said, nobody do it like you. You said nobody do it like you. That let me know you're going in with the right mentality, the right mindset,
Starting point is 00:35:01 and you can make your own name for yourself. So go in there, cause some goddamn havoc. Talk a little shit, too. Don't be scared to talk no shit. Talk a little shit, too. Let them know you here. You know, I've arrived. So, man, I wish you nothing but success, young bull.
Starting point is 00:35:14 And maybe, shoot, you might end up in Cincinnati. Well, it looks like the Bears, the Vikings, Buffalo, Houston, and Pittsburgh have all been labeled possible land- Where do you get that from? Their preference. Are you just- Where do you get that from? My source.
Starting point is 00:35:28 But don't worry about it. You say, do our homework, do our research. My source? Hey, my source. You tell us to do our homework. We do our homework. Yeah, man. Oh, so you don't been to a few of these places.
Starting point is 00:35:43 Yeah, I've been to a couple. I met with pretty much every team, you know. Yeah. Hey, you met with Cincinnati? On Monday, I am. Yeah, yeah. It's a beautiful place. over there.
Starting point is 00:35:57 I'm in Farnsboro right now. Yeah. Oh, okay, okay, okay. So let me ask you this. Okay, they come in and they say, you know what? Hey, Matt, Big Matt, what type of player we get? Hmm. Tell me what I'm a gym.
Starting point is 00:36:14 I'm in charge of personnel. And I'm doing all the high and I'm doing all the draft. And I come in to sit down and I'll say, hey, Tim, what type of player we get? Bro, it's only like three words, man. Day one impact. Day one impact. Yeah. on.
Starting point is 00:36:27 That's it. Yeah. They want impact. That's all I, that's what I really say to the GMs. And they know, for sure. Hey, cut the tape on. That's it. That's another three words.
Starting point is 00:36:41 Cut the tape on. He tells me what you see. Tell me what you see. When you see me, tell me what you see. You know, you got to, you don't have to say too much. You don't got to tell them a story. They already know who you is. They already did.
Starting point is 00:36:55 They already did. They already did. on you. Right. So you can't lie to him, and then you just tell them straight. That's how I be, you know. Yeah. They don't have done their homework.
Starting point is 00:37:04 They know everything about you. They don't know what you know your favorite food. They know where you like to hang out at. They know where you like your shop at. They know your dessert. They know they already don't. Oh, yeah. Oh, you got your nice little car.
Starting point is 00:37:17 You got your nice little car. You got your little car. Hey, yeah, everything. What's your drive right now? Joe, what you drive right now, man? I know you got some. Man, I ain't got but a, um. I ain't got but I got a range rover, bro.
Starting point is 00:37:28 Oh, that's smooth. What about you, huh? Man, you know, I'm old. I got a, I got a 2012 range rover and a 20 and a two. I got a, I got a 2020, 720 BMW. I got an electric BMW and I got that ghost, hellcat. Oh, Joe. Whoa.
Starting point is 00:37:47 Toy. Ojo, what you got, Ojo? Cybertruck Tesla. McLaren 720P Lamborghini Yeah Yeah My smart car
Starting point is 00:38:00 Um And shoot That's that's it I just Hey man Andy owe me a lem hunts A lemma And he got all them cars
Starting point is 00:38:11 He won't pay no debt K mate Nah Hey hey I just I just bought my daughter I just bought my daughter Tesla two days ago So she's happy
Starting point is 00:38:19 She's hyped You know I'm saying He doing all this stuff Hey Hey man What you do What you do?
Starting point is 00:38:23 I mean You ever lit somebody some money? And every time you see him, he got on Freshman, he got a new chain. He got on a new, he got on new, he got on new, he got on new, he got on some new kids. Bro, I'd be seeing, bro, that jub be crazy to me. Like, damn, you owe me that hundred.
Starting point is 00:38:40 Man, I'll just, I'll see you with some new pants. Like, come on now, like, man, just give me my honey back, you know what's going to come back through. Nah, but, hey, K Mac, K Mac, this is what you don't understand, right? For Unks's sake, I owe him 11,000, right? But that's for emergency purposes only. So if you need it, just hit the glass and then boom. He's been hitting the glass.
Starting point is 00:39:01 He's been hitting the glass. Yeah. Now, he's good. He good. He got about 70. He just named 17 cars. What do you need? By him $1,000 for?
Starting point is 00:39:11 Hey, hey, Mac, he buying Chrome Hearts. You know Chrome Hearts ain't cheap. He buying Chrome Hearts. He buying LV. He got Burberry. He got all that stuff. Hey, see, hey, K. Mac, this is we here understand. I go to the boosters now in here in Miami.
Starting point is 00:39:28 I don't pay full price for nothing. They said they come to the barbershop. They come to the car shop. They said everything happened. Hey, hey, hey, hey, hey, KMack, look, on nightcap, bro, we be looking for hidden talents. And I heard, I heard that you're supposed to be five. You can make some five pancakes, boy. You put it down like that?
Starting point is 00:39:49 I can put it down, man. Hey, man, I got that flick of that wrist. man. What? Hey, so you a chef, too? Man, I do it all, man. Whatever you need.
Starting point is 00:40:00 What you need me to cook for you, man, when I come see you, man. Oh, you on that grill? Hold on. Hey, Mac, you on the grill like that? What type of steak? How you want to cook? Man, stop playing.
Starting point is 00:40:12 Hey, you know, hey, you know how to cook the wagon steak? That's easy. Easy, yeah. Okay. You know? Hey, I'm not, hey, I like, I ain't going to live. I like going out there.
Starting point is 00:40:25 I like Maastrow's, man. What's y'all's a steakhouse? What y'all? Oh, you have made food. Butter cake. Buttercake. Every time. That buttercake like that,
Starting point is 00:40:33 baby. Woo. So let me ask you this. You got a lady, man? I don't got no lady right now. I was going to say, if you had, because, okay, let's just say you meet this lady and you are, you kicking it, and you want to bring her over and you want to cook a meal for.
Starting point is 00:40:48 What's you cooking? What's you dropping on the table? Um, man, first of all, Like I said, I'm gonna just go, we're gonna go salmon. We're gonna go salmon, salmon, green beans, and rice. Man, we gotta have to keep it, you know, healthy. You got to, you don't want to do too much. Hey, hey, hey, hey.
Starting point is 00:41:04 What you doing for dessert, though? Ha ha ha. Hey, ha. That's what's up? That's what I. Well, y'all shout out, man. Ain't anybody even said. That's all to laugh.
Starting point is 00:41:25 Can we know what's up? We know what's up. Hold on, okay, Mac, check me out, right? Listen, you know, I'm dying here in Miami, right? And, you know, I know a whole lot of people, right? So if you need, if you need looking for, you know, a wife, a girlfriend or something, I got some eligible people. Kay Matt, okay, Matt.
Starting point is 00:41:40 That guy, man. Tone vision, baby, boy. I was waiting on you to say that, Joe. We didn't say that. None of that are talking about. Look here. Hey, man. Hey, man, we're going to live an American dream.
Starting point is 00:41:50 You hear me? Right, right, right. That's here, ton of vision. That's what we got. thing over here, man, them just distractions, homie. Don't be anything. Hey, hey, hey, hey, K Mack, I hear what he talking about? But listen, what's the American flag without the stars, huh?
Starting point is 00:42:03 You hear me? What's the American flag without the stars? What's the American flag without the stripes? He's talking about the American dream. Ain't no American dream without someone on you. Stay locked in, K, Matt. Trust me, bro. I got you.
Starting point is 00:42:15 And you know, when they did the original American flag, it only had 13 stars. They added some more. So you could have some girls. Once you get about three, four, five years in the league, you could have some stars. Hey, I'm listening to Joe right now, man. There you go, man. You all right, though, bro. Stay locked in, homie.
Starting point is 00:42:35 For sure. Yeah. I'm locked in too. Man, hey, congratulations on all the success, man. You got a great personality. You're going to be very successful in this league because you have what it takes. You know what it takes. You have that, that discipline, that physicality, that desire to be great.
Starting point is 00:42:52 Yes, sir. Appreciate you. We're going to be watching you at night. Right cap. Hey, will you get drafted? Call us up back up. We want to talk to you. I got you. I got you. Hey, hey, one more thing. One more thing. Whenever you come back to Atlanta, whenever you come to Atlanta, come home to your boy, we do some high yoga. I make sure I keep you right, keep you nimble. Make sure you feel me? All right. That's cool. That's cool. Yeah. I'm going to come to you.
Starting point is 00:43:14 All right. That's cool. No. Hey, hey, hey, Mac, Mac, we, me and Joe get at, go get at your offline. Yeah. Yeah. I got you later. Hey, man. Hey, man, I got to get some rest, man. I got to get up early, man. Hey, have that. Appreciate your stuff about it. All right. I'm going to tap in.
Starting point is 00:43:32 All right. All right. All right. I'm Luke Wilson. Join me each week for Film Never Lies. Since retiring from the NFL, I've had a lot of my mind. Now, I've got my own show. So if you're tired of lazy takes, if you want honest conversations,
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Starting point is 00:44:21 you get your podcast. I'm John Green. You may know me as the author of The Fault and Our Stars and now I guess also as the co-host of The Away End, a brand new world soccer podcast. I'm Daniel Alarcon, a writer and journalist and John and I have known each other since we were kids. My first World Cup was Mexico 86.
Starting point is 00:44:39 I was nine years old. I watched every game and I fell in love. On our new podcast, The Away End, we'll share with you the magic of international football, all leading up to the 2026 World Cup. For us, soccer, football, is a story we've shared for over 30 years since Daniel was the star player on our high school soccer team. Very debatable.
Starting point is 00:44:59 And I was their most loyal and sometimes only fan. I love this game. I love its history, its hope, its heartbreak, and above all, its beauty. Together, we'll find out why, of all the unimportant things, football, soccer, is the most important. Listen to the away end with Daniel Alarcon and John Green on the iHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever. you get your podcasts. Hey, it's Edwin Castro, also known as Castro 1021. And I'm Kunky, his best friend and business manager.
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Starting point is 00:46:04 And this is 40s and free agents. The games may be over, but the NFL never stopped. This is my favorite part of the calendar. Yeah, mine too, Greg. Free agency, the combine. The NFL draft, Pro Days, trades. This is where teams reshape their future. This is where Daniel Jeremiah makes his money on 40s and free agency.
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Starting point is 00:46:56 Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Miles Garrett's gift the start of teams off-season program. That puts him on track to lose $1 million in 2020-6 compensation. Garrett contracts include a $1 million workout bonus in 2026.
Starting point is 00:47:18 To earn it, Garrett must participate. I can't hear you. We can't hear you. Hey. What's that? What's up? Hey, Joe.
Starting point is 00:47:35 Man, Miles ain't, Miles ain't tripping by that man, please. A million. What do you mean he ain't tripping? Well, we talk about Miles Garrett, boy. He's not there for a reason, huh? Sometimes, sometimes the message is clear. The message is always clear.
Starting point is 00:47:50 Man, he don't want to be there, man. Come on, nah. Come on, nah. He don't want to be there. So you think that's why he ain't showing up for the many counts? Yeah. He ain't never missed before. It's OTAs.
Starting point is 00:48:05 Obviously, I'll always. OTAs is voluntary, it's in your contract, you don't have to come. But if you don't come, obviously, you miss your money. He ain't never missed before, I'm sure. You know, don't quote me. I'm just saying, why would they make it a story now? If he's always been there, if he's always been there, he's not showing it this year. You're not showing up for him.
Starting point is 00:48:21 Hell, he got his money, Ocho. He took the money. He took the money. Come on, Joe. I mean, we got it. Can you guys hear me? Yeah. We hear you.
Starting point is 00:48:32 Oh, but here's the thing, though, Ocho. What do they have? What is different? A new coach? A new coach. A new system. Yes, sir. Remember, we had this car, the same thing with Lamar. We had this conversation about Lamar.
Starting point is 00:48:45 New system. So, and look, I'm like, Joe, if they had a million dollars in my contract, I was been there. But like I said, they was trying to give me $50 a day. I said, the hell with you. I said, I worked my last $50 day job when I was in, when I was landscaping back in college. I said, ain't no more $50 a day for me.
Starting point is 00:49:00 But I got a question for you, on. And Joe, think about this. someone like Miles Garrett, you know, as well as he played last year, as well as he played in general, someone like that, that is as valuable as they are, who is the identity, not just that defense, but the identity to that franchise, they still won what, five games, four games or whatever it may have been? Five and twelve. Yeah, Joe, why not give him the opportunity to go somewhere else and give him a chance to win? Why not?
Starting point is 00:49:30 Because you're losing with probably the greatest defense in. that's playing in today's game, why not give my opportunity to do that? Well, maybe they... And I think, and the message to me, I mean, I don't know, maybe I'm tripping, chat, you can let me know if I'm tripping, but to not show up to OTAs, what you've always have, and there's a new regime, new coach of staff, new defense's scheme, new officer scheme, everything being implemented in, and you don't show up?
Starting point is 00:49:58 I mean, I mean, the message has always been clear. He doesn't have to come out and say it. you're actually going to show, okay, is enough is enough? I might be wrong. I kind of thought that like, okay, a new, like a lot of times, like, with a new coach, when a new coach comes, you know, they can have three mini-camps for you get in. You want to, you know, show your face as a leader, you know, learn the defense and plus a million dollars.
Starting point is 00:50:23 I pick up a million dollars why I'm doing that. But, I mean, it had been tough for me because when I'm there, I'm there. I really, I, oh, I really didn't, like, go home like, like, you know, off weeks and stuff like that. Like, you know, some guys like, we get off and we wouldn't have to be back until Wednesday and some guys would go wherever they go. I was never like that.
Starting point is 00:50:43 So when I was there in Denver, I was there. Once I left, I went trying to be back until I absolutely positively had to be back. Yeah, I ain't do that. I ain't do that. Joe, we had our off-season program was 13 weeks. It was Monday through Thursday. Friday, Friday through Sunday was off.
Starting point is 00:51:01 Nine times out of 10, that Friday through Sunday. Sunday, I'm going back to Miami. And I would always, I always do the morning work on a Thursday and I get on a flight Thursday evening, fly to Miami, relax here, don't do anything, probably do some training as well, relax Thursday, then back on the plane Sunday night and then repeat it. It was a 13-week program. It was fun. I really enjoyed it because I'm a gym rat, Joe. Hell, I can't stay out of the gym now. Now I'm playing nothing so you could imagine back then when I was playing. So I was excited to go to the all-season program and just, you know,
Starting point is 00:51:33 see the fellas, man. It was cool to see the fellas. She, I was trying to know fellas. Hey. I remember my rookie early on because Dan, that was a big thing for Dan. You had to be there. I was like, man, I sure hope I can get good enough one day. I don't have to come to this issue.
Starting point is 00:51:51 As soon as I got good enough, I ain't had to come to that issue. Oh, yeah. Hey, you're one of our leaders. I'm leading from Atlanta. That's why I'm leaving for Atlanta. No, no, no, no, no. Y'all not paying, y'all paying him to lead. He's making the big bucks.
Starting point is 00:52:09 Y'all ain't paying me to lead. I'll be in Atlanta. And besides, and then Mike just came to the realization to say, you know what? He's like, I remember in 96, I didn't come, I didn't come back and they didn't do no off-season program. And he was like, we got there practice. He said, let me see what you're looking like.
Starting point is 00:52:28 So I pulled my shirt up. He's like, you ain't never got a word about coming back. Hey, you have And you had the knocks in your stomach Oh What? Joe
Starting point is 00:52:38 Shredded like a Trump tax return Hey Joe That's what I look like now Joe Yeah Well hey
Starting point is 00:52:47 That man That boy That boy looks Like an email It's gone Disappeal I don't I don't like that
Starting point is 00:52:55 Yeah Yeah Yeah But I'm like I'm like Joe though Oh Joe you know dad well if the biggest put a million dollars. Yeah.
Starting point is 00:53:04 And no matter how much you, you ain't let that go. Hey, my, mine was only 250 and I was there. So a million. Yeah. Oh, I mean, I'm there. I'm there. And you know, you know, it's funny too long? When it comes to my crap in general, you don't have to incentivize for me.
Starting point is 00:53:21 Because I love what I do. I love working. I love training. I just, I love being in that environment. But just the fact that to be there, you mean, you're going to pay me this to be there? and I already like to do it anyway? Well, hell, shoot. No, no, no, no.
Starting point is 00:53:35 But see, the thing is with that I did away with the sentence of my contract. After they screwed me out of that hundred grand, I ain't put no more incentive. What do you mean? How they screw out of that $100,000? What happened? Because, man, I'm supposed to get $100,000 for 1,000 yards.
Starting point is 00:53:47 Joe, I had 995 yards at the half. I had 116 yards and two touchdowns. And they ain't throw the ball team? On six catches. And they catch another pass to the second half. Hey, they did that on purpose. I don't know. And guess what?
Starting point is 00:54:01 I ain't put another. If you want to say that, I want nothing. Because y'all, y'all going to pay me what you're supposed to pay me, and I'm supposed to lead the team in catches. I'm supposed to lead the team in yards. I'm supposed to be an all pro. I'm supposed to go to the pro bowl. I don't need y'all incentivize that.
Starting point is 00:54:15 Because y'all paying me enough, that's what I'm supposed to do. I don't need no extra. Hey, Joe, they play that game like that with a lot of people, Joe. Yeah, I know. Hey, I ain't going to lie, boy, that football cut through. That football. Hey, Joe, they play that game with a lot of people. Well, you have incentives.
Starting point is 00:54:29 You need a catches. You need certain yards of the running back, they would play with you. If being on the field, a certain amount of snaps, all that stuff, they keep track of everything. They keep track everything. And they will not let you hit it depending on who you are. And they do it on purpose every time. Like that little chunk of change compared to what they have is going to make a big difference. Because you got to realize 100,000 was a lot of money to me because I was only making $3.25.
Starting point is 00:54:55 Right. $100,000, hey, that's not a little chunk of change in a whole shape. Yeah. Right. Yeah. And you know, I had, hey, I had three. Yeah. Pamples. I got your boy. That got your boy about two, three years of pamphals right now. Payneville, hey, day day, you know, daycare was expensive back day. I don't know what daycare is now, but I know it's expensive on your mind. Yes, sir. Yeah. I can only imagine. I mean, you, hey, you're going to know what it's like soon. And now, oh, Joe, Mike, I don't know nothing.
Starting point is 00:55:29 I thought we talked about this, fellas. No, we, no, no, no, no. No, no, no. No, no, no. No, no, no, no. No, put Joe in it. Me and, me. Hey, you know what?
Starting point is 00:55:39 You know what I just thought about? Think about this. Think about how other ethnicities, other races, they plan having their kids at the same time so they could do everything together. Can you imagine all us, you know, with our babies pushing strollers at the park? No, I can't imagine that.
Starting point is 00:55:55 No. Pretty soon somebody's going to have to push me. That's a job about to push the baby. me that's gonna be my big ass in the chair what the hell you're talking about man hey it's a movie it's a movie it's a movie like that I can't remember what movie it is I think that would be dope though like that that's that's a movie that listen
Starting point is 00:56:15 that's a TV series in itself you know nightcap Joe with the kids I'm already sitting in the third seat in the SUV I'm already sitting at the very back with the thing pulled down with my leg on top of it.
Starting point is 00:56:30 I'm done, Ocho. I'm doing, I'm a practice. I'm doing all I can. But I'm going to coach. Don't put me in. I don't know. No plays. Hey, hey, Ocho.
Starting point is 00:56:39 Ocho. Your boy over here, I ain't doing nothing with shooting blanks, man. I cut the line over here. Yeah. Lines cut over here, man. Oh, man.
Starting point is 00:56:49 God ain't got a doggy water. I'm out of playing. I ain't got no doggy water. Come on. But now, come on, Joe. You did that, Joe? I struck out. Ocho, I got three.
Starting point is 00:56:58 Three strikes. out, baby. But Joe, you weren't supposed to cut the line because our numbers is bad love. Joe, it's in the Bible. Ain't no bad luck. Your boy ain't doing nothing shooting blanks, man. That's all right. Yeah, yeah.
Starting point is 00:57:11 This ain't, I'm like, me and my lady, we just practice. We ain't, we just practice. That's it. That's it. Oh, Joe, I ain't got some pond water in me. This ain't strong at all. Damn, man. I can't believe.
Starting point is 00:57:23 Hey, Jay. This isn't any water. This ain't no sparking water over here. You know that old fears? They say, what you want? Flamm spark and spark. Give me flat. Because that's all I got in, be flat.
Starting point is 00:57:33 Hey, man, y'all, and y'all are messed up. That was, that was, I just had it. I envisioned us having a TV show as new fathers, you know, after 40. I mean, listen, Netflix was going to pick that up. Hey, hey, hey, now if you, I can reconnect it. I can reconnect the line now, but it's got to be worth it. You know what I mean? Oh, I'm going to talk to Netflix.
Starting point is 00:57:54 Because they, they, they approach me about it. I say, listen, I'm going to talk to the fellas and see what they want to do. Oh, man. I ain't going to move, Joe, that. Y'all, y'all. You ain't got one more. You ain't got one more in y'all. There we go, Joe.
Starting point is 00:58:05 There we go, Joe. I ain't got it. I ain't got it, Joe. I ain't going to lie to you. I wish I could tell you something, but I ain't got it before. I ain't, I ain't, I ain't going to hold you right. But because of who you are, because the value in which we possess, you know, they were talking, you know, north of 400 million.
Starting point is 00:58:25 Huh? You're 400 million. Boy, listen, I ain't telling you what I heard. I ain't telling what I heard. I'm telling you what I know. Boy, look here. Hey. But they, hey, I would have to take this song to John to Casey.
Starting point is 00:58:42 I'm going to have to take it out of the case. I'm just saying, hey, bag, come on now. Hey. That's how to bread. Hey, whoa. Hey, listen, I'm just telling you, I'm just telling you what they told me. Now, it was a conversation in vague, you know, and I was vision. Like I was giving them to play and the possibility of it happened happening.
Starting point is 00:59:02 I'm like, man, that would be dope because no one has ever had anything like that. Nobody at the same time, you know, it do want to. It do numbers. You know what? You know what, guys, I'll be honest with you. If I was close to y'all age, if I was in my midfoughties, I said, you know what, guys, let's do it. And I'm damn this 60 years. It's all right.
Starting point is 00:59:21 Hey. And by the time, hey, by the time that thing set in, you know, I have the care. I have to catch one when she just right by seven days afterwards, catch her just right, probably about four, five times a day for like three, four days. Right. You good? You good.
Starting point is 00:59:37 That's where they got them roast balls. I'm six of six years old going to a high school graduation. What's wrong with that? They're talking about Luke Sterling, because I would name him out of my brother, little Sterling, your granddaddy out here, that's my daddy, fool. I don't know.
Starting point is 00:59:56 I mean, them numbers, the numbers sounded real good, which is why I can't... They do sound good. Ocho. Yeah. Hey, Mama changing two sets of diapers. Here's their mind.
Starting point is 01:00:07 Hey, oh, now. Hey, pick up some diapers. For me or for him? Oh, man, that's funny, boy. Hey, boy, I know what you mean, boy. Ooh. I don't know what that they do.
Starting point is 01:00:21 Joe said, I reconnect the life. Bad Ocho out of the damn, but Ocho, you got eight. I know, I know. I want twins, and I'm done. That'll put you right at a, not only when you have a starting five, but you got a bench, too. Yeah, and my bench is going to be just like O'KC. Damn. I'm saying how many boys you got, Ocho?
Starting point is 01:00:48 Damn, you only got two. Yeah, my, my son, my youngest son here, he played receiver at New Orleans. He here with me now. Damn. you only got you so you got hold on you got six girls and two boys yeah you know they have a number you're gonna have twin girls they don't have eight and two I'm at now I'm having I'm having two I'm doing uh FBI make sure you have boys yeah no FBI in vitro I see FBI IVF in vitro fertilization oh okay that's what
Starting point is 01:01:28 that yeah yeah no FBI they didn't You don't need to investigate nothing. Nah, hell, no. Man, please. And you are, hey, you don't want that because you already know, man, you don't know how much that costs, man. That's the same cost. What?
Starting point is 01:01:49 Man, that's expensive. No, it ain't. IVF? Come on. IBM probably, what, maybe $2,000. Hell no, that's about $20, $25,000. 20,000, $30,000. Man, don't let the people rip you off.
Starting point is 01:02:03 Come on now. That's a rip-off. Now, you have to go to multiple places and do the price comparisons. Like, you can't get that much. They mess around and put a chicken egg in your girl. He'd be going somebody back. You'd be like gay, you'd be a gay bird to a two-pound hand.
Starting point is 01:02:23 Man, you better go to. Joe, he better go to a regular one. He'd go, hey, oh. Hey, you be like the people that be suing. All of a sudden, it's a white couple and they got a black baby or this black company they got an Asian kid.
Starting point is 01:02:36 Man, you better you better go to somewhere reprimal. You're talking about you trying to save money. Or somebody in backyard. Tell me, man, please.
Starting point is 01:02:42 Yeah. They got, hey, they got a chicken baster. Like they put gravy on the turkey. Hell, no.
Starting point is 01:02:52 Hey, that's funny. Hell now, Ocho. I'm good, man. I got you. Jacksonville Jaguars expect Travis Hunter
Starting point is 01:02:59 to be a full-time corner and a part-time receiver. Rappapaport as Hunter is expected to be a full participant in training count as he continued to recover from an LCL tier that ended this 2025 rookie season. Hunter's snap count weighed heavily favor of the offensive side of the ball last year. Overall, in 2025, Hunter saw 324 snaps on offense, 162 snaps on defense. So, hold on all Joe.
Starting point is 01:03:29 What in Rappaport is reporting is what you and I have. been saying. Yes. Yes. Go ahead. Go ahead. Take it. Y'all, I want y'all chat the conversation. I mean, I want to be one of them guys to say, I told you. Right. I mean, Joe and, and, in, and, obviously, Travis, his dream was going to the NFL. He said it to multiple teams is, I'm hoping to do exactly what I did at Colorado. I want to be able to play both sides of ball and be able to impact the game on both sides of the ball. Unk said, and I said as well, and I agree with him, that would be too much because of the level of talent and elite players at their position.
Starting point is 01:04:06 Think about it. Travis Hunter playing DB. Then having a cover, Jamar Chase, Justin Jefferson, you know, and some of the elite while receiving the league, and then having to turn right record back around and go play on goddamn offense and play receiver. And then still be of value and being very, very tactical and technical when it comes to playing a position. So at that point, you could only be just good on both ends where you could just focus.
Starting point is 01:04:32 we can focus on one position and be great at defensive back, which you really good at, and then have packages to play on offense, which you can also be impactful, where they have special plays designed just for you to get the ball because with the ball in your hands, well, you are special. But a full-time TV is perfect.
Starting point is 01:04:55 It says in the wake of Hunter's injury last season, fans were calling a Jag to choose just one position for Travis. though we could see a hunter get some snaps at wide receiver in 2026. It looks like he will be dedicated, a dedicated quarterback for the foreseeable future. That's what I said. It's easier. Ocho, I mean, in order for this,
Starting point is 01:05:18 and I didn't think, like, he's like, oh, I could do it. I said, 130 snaps like, game? Yeah. Yeah. I said, it's easier for him to play corner and build a couple of packages in, Ocho. We got a couple of sets like they did for Chattel Bailey, like they did for some of the other guys, like they did for time.
Starting point is 01:05:38 There have been other guys that played. Charles Wilson. Yeah, Woody. Roy Green actually started off as a corner, got some plays at wide receiver, and then he was so good. They ended up moving to wide receiver and took him out of corner. But go ahead, Joe. Well, you want to say so. I agree with Ocho.
Starting point is 01:05:56 I think, you know, him being a DB and then kind of similar, similar, or uncle just saying like how the Cowboys use Deon. You know, he was a DB, but they had a package in there for Deon for where, you know, you know, he would be on offense from time to time. And I think that's the same way to Jaguar's probably going to use Travis Hunter. Yeah, yeah, yeah. And like you say, 130-some snaps a game. Hell, that's basically full-time on both sides, right?
Starting point is 01:06:25 And it takes a toll on you, bro, because you never get a rest. No Nope Nope I mean I like it I like that I like it too
Starting point is 01:06:35 I like it too I like that the Jags are doing this so he can focus on one thing Focus on being the best defensive back he can be Depending on where they move them Listen and obviously As great as you are
Starting point is 01:06:46 I hope you become not just a DB But a traveling DVD A DB that follows the one Man Do that You want you want somebody Hitting that payday up Hitting another payday
Starting point is 01:06:57 follow the number one on every team and then have small packages on offense and go impact the game that way. Hey, look, I understand what you guys are saying. Hell, y'all played the game at a very high level. But I love seeing Travis on offense too, Arcan Ocho.
Starting point is 01:07:13 Boy, got some hands. He electric when he catches the ball. You know what I mean? I feel like he's always a big player way. You feel what I'm saying? So I definitely hope they still keep him on offense, you know, from time to time. It ain't got to be, you know, every down.
Starting point is 01:07:28 But for the most part, I want to see that electric side of them, too. Yeah, of course. And I think the thing is, look, you got Parker Washington. You got Brian Thomas, Jr. This company that, you know, had an offseason. So you can plug it in me in defensively is where, like, okay, we need a little help here. Guys that can get out to the quarterback. We can really use travel, like you said, Ocho, travel.
Starting point is 01:07:55 Take care of it. You got Nico Collison, you got guys in that division. Vision. That you're going to have to deal with. Yeah. I'm Daniel Alarcon, and this is my friend. This is much more famous than I am. I wouldn't go that far.
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