Nightcap - Best of NFL News Part 2: ABOUT TIME Josh Allen admits being the reason Sean McDermott was FIRED, Bo Nix CLAPS BACK at Sean Payton for using him as a SCAPEGOAT

Episode Date: January 31, 2026

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Apple podcast or whatever you get your podcast. An interesting exchange of words happened this week between Sean Payton and his franchise quarterback, Bo Nix. Guys, let's take a listen to the exchange between Sean and Bo. A condition that was like predisposed right at that where when the, they always find a little bit more when they go in. And it wasn't a matter of it. It was a matter of when.

Didn't have any predisposed this year. My ancestors were feeling really good. He said he had one in high school. And then he said he had one at Auburn. I don't think he really should share how many surgeries I've had in the past, to be honest with you. But, you know, he doesn't really even know that. Well, damn.

Damn. Hey, they, hey, listen, if I'm not mistaken, the head coach and the quarterback's supposed to be on the same page at all time. They're supposed to be joining the other. Those, hey, Joe, them the two people that's supposed to be aligned and everything on and off the field. Right. And, let, Bowden already showed, um, he's not the one. You ain't been to be just talking to me any of.

old kind of way. We've seen that with him. As a rookie. That was especially, huh? Yeah. When he was rookie, hey, Joe, he had to buck up at Sean. I'm talking about, man, I'm not one of them. You're going to be crazy. I'm not one of them. And so this is another example of, boy, you're sharing a little too much information.

But what you doing? Hey, hey, the player's different now, man. The players are different. You have to conduct yourselves and carry yourself a certain way. That old school way Sean Payton has is not going to work. No, he's been able to bully other players, you know, his approach and how he treated Russell Wilson on the sideline. You're not going to be able to do that.

Come on now. Yeah, Beau's showing you. He's treated a lot of players like that. This is who he is. This is Parcell. He learned under Parcells. This is how Parcells. You remember Parcells when he said that about Terry Glenn?

He wouldn't even speak to T.O because he didn't want T.O. But Jerry Jones did. He wouldn't speak to him. Yeah. And he called, he called, uh, uh, Terry Glenn a derogatory turn. Even his wife said that's unnecessary. What did he called him? He called him back down.

Oh, she got a growing injury or something. She got something going on. Oh, because he was hurt? So that, that's who, this is who Sean Payton is. Me, I probably would have had a problem with that coaching style because you can't talk to me any kind of way. I won't let you talk to me any worse than what my grandmother talked. to me.

Hold on. Y'all think he'd do that with all his plans? Yes, he will. Absolutely. It doesn't matter. It does not matter if you're the superstar or the lowest tier. Absolutely.

This is who he is. Because that's how Parcell's was. That's an old school. That's an old school. Yeah. But, I mean, all this distraction. And look, he fired, he fired Joe Lombardi, who's the office of coordinator. And they look at a, they see this Davis, was it, Davis Mills?

what's the quarterback's coach Davis Mills but now you see well he's looking for an offensive coordinator well if you wanted if you wanted to because I believe you could have demoted here you can the way you handle it oh Joe Joe you demote

if you want Davis Mills to ascend you just demote and then Joe Lombard is like hey either I can step take a step back or I can or I'll just move on that way it's his choice but when you

fired a man because of a call that you made, even if there is a case that you want Davis Mills and you, David's way up. Even if you want to keep Davis way up, it just looks suspicious that you fired a guy that didn't call

any plate and he damn sure didn't call that fourth down plate. But now the reports are that he's looking for another officer coordinator. You had one. You called that. Sean, you just got to own that one. And sometimes,

I know it's hard. It's hard. Sometimes it's hard, Joe, to admit when you're wrong, when you made the mistake, it's hard to admit that. It's easy to place to blame or something. Man, who left this damn refrigerator open?

You know, damn well, you left that refrigerator open. But it's easy to try to put that on somebody. Man, who left this? My grandpa, who left these lights on? You're the last one in there. Everybody in the room. What you mean? Who left the light on?

But it's easier to blame someone than to accept accountability, especially in a situation like this, Ocho, because this fourth is an opportunity to get to the Super Bowl. But there's not enough people in close proximity that you can put that blame on. The defense gave up less than 200 yards. Joe Lombardi does not call plays. So who to decide to forego points and go forward? on fourth and one and run a very similar play that you ran the scored on the first touchdown knowing that the likelihood of them giving up

a similar play is not very likely. Give them credit defensively because they blitzed. It's like if you run the ball, we're going to stuff your run. And guess what? We got your outflank to the short side of the field too. So you're dead. You're dead to write.

You're done. You're done. Yeah, you would have to hope for, hey, Joe, it would have had to been a busted coverage. somebody had a slipping ball, but running that boot to the short side of the field? Nate Jackson, who I remember nasty Nate, a player injury history, medical details,

or confidential information. Sean Payton refused to discuss any player injuries all year. Then when Bo Nix get hurt, all of a sudden he's singing like a canary. Weird to say the least, it is. Yeah. I think he's doing it basically to take away from... That F-up did he have?

Yeah, yeah. So now the conversation that's being had is the exchange between him and both instead of that goddamn bullshit-ass poor down call. That bone headplay he went for her, Yocho. But that's what I do. If I mess up, let me say,

what you did as a child, Ocho, when people get on me, they talk about my clothes or they talk about the way I talk, I start talking about somebody else. They start laughing at them. They forget that somebody had got on me first. So what I do to make y'all stop forget about that, as Ocho said, that e-thed-up call, man, let me fire the offensive coordinator. Let me talk about Bo Nix was predisposed.

Okay, just because you're predisposed to something, I have a cancer runs in my family, so does diabetes high blood pressure? Now, I've had prostate cancer, but that doesn't mean I don't have high blood pressure, I don't have diabetes. So just because you're predisposed, that doesn't mean you get it. That means you're more susceptible. There's a greater possibility. But why are you giving out this man details about his medical history? He's saying, okay, if he said it, they should have it on record. You don't need to regurgitate it.

Yeah, no need to tell us. And besides, that still does not excuse. I don't care if he had both legs in a cast. They got nothing to do with that call you made. Let's talk about that call. I felt if we went up by 14 10 would have felt like 14 considering how poorly and inefficient

they were ineffective they were at moving the football. Yeah, bad weather. Like I said, like I think Sean is a phenomenal coach. I just think some of the things is that old school in the way you talk to the player.

And look, Ojo, you know I'm as old school as you come, but I do realize that you've got to talk to people a certain way now. The way you and the way you When I was raised, we could never raise our kids like that. We go into jail. Oh, no.

We're going to jail, Joe. It's really that simple. Like that. Yeah. Why my grandfather, grandma, mom will just pick up something in bus hell out you. Brooms stick, shoe, hitching, they don't matter. And howl. Switches, a train tracks.

You're going to jail. Yeah, grandma used to tell you, go get me a switch from the tree. And you know, hey, I'm going to get the most, the flimsyest switch out. Yeah. Just to kill time, because I know she's going to see me back out to get the right thing. There you go. But you got to be careful, Ocho, because some of them flivvy ones, that thing don't break. They don't, they whew, hey, yeah, man.

Hey, I'm trying to find me something that's brittle. Oh, this thing look real good. Hit me one or two times and it's all over the floor. You got to be careful when you break back in the house. But, uh, the trick to it. Yeah, hey, they'd be knowing. You got to stay close. And the trick, you gotta stay close to her when she tries to use it.

Oh yeah. So she gets over that. And then she's, but she's saying she gets mad. Because you know, you don't make you bite your tongue and somebody make you stub your toe. And my grandma started being a betriloquist, start gritting them to you. I'm going to trade your ass or, oh. Hey, I never forget them days.

It's so funny, you know, I'm not sure how y'all got beatings. My grandma used to beat me. She used to talk. Yeah. She would talk with every lick. I told you not to be acting up in them people, school, embarrassing me like this. Oh, my goodness.

So, mind you, I got the whole beating was a whole conversation. Oh, my grandma told me I should have told your ass up last week when you acted up. And then, Joe, you know what you used to make me man. You have relatives come over. You know I had to tear that boy ass up. Ain't nobody asked you that, granted. Why do you got it? I had mentioned that.

Yeah, I showtow that answer. I shut down on him. Hey, I never forget. Hey, Joe. Yeah, hey, Joe, Grandma, favorite line. I'm sending you to school. And I'm telling you right now,

if I get a call, wherever you show out, that's where you're going to get wo out. And loom behold, boy, if I'm acting a fool in class and that teacher call, I remember I got embarrassed in front of, of the class one time, boy.

As a freshman at Beach High, I'd never forget. And she came in that class. Obviously, I'm a little older now. And she walked in that dough. A, sat in the chair right behind me. Man, I was so embarrassed, boy. So, so embarrassed. I was worried about calling the house.

That phone was disconnected. Caller you want to. You ain't get that. All you get to the business told, go ahead, call. Go Aze. Right. They ain't got nothing to do with me. But my old big mom sister.

He snitched on you? Granny, you know that boy don't listen to nobody. Hey. Shut up. That's because that's the uncle that he used to snitch on him. Yeah, yeah, they snitched on it. I would. But the best thing about it, because you got to realize, like, when I was in,

my sister was eight years older me. So I was in kindergarten. My sister was like, what, freshman? Freshman. school. Then I had two aunts. So I went 73. I think Gladys graduated to minus 73. So Gladys might have been a senior.

My aunt Gladys was a senior. Jane Shermanine, Livis, so all of them, so you know, but it's funny. The white, the black people sat at the front of the bus. The white people sat at the back of the bus. When you were in school? I was in school.

The whites, we sat in the front. The black people sat at the front. The white sat at the back. So my two arms would sit together, living in one of my, and Spanky and Buck, my sister, would sit together. I have a seat by myself stretched out.

Oh, you all that old John? Yeah. Can I sing with you? No. And what? Have it be a big old seat by myself. And some good memories. Bad is bad.

My wife is a big pain. It never be the same. It would never be. You don't know if you knew what you, if you knew what you know now then, you would have done things differently. You would have behaved differently. Yeah.

But I'm not so sure if we had behaved differently, we wouldn't be who we are today. Because it took Joe, it took all that. Yeah. Because I already know, I was good in school, but I was sneaky.

I would, you know, I would do stuff. And when my, with living, or Spank get the best of me, I'm taking off, I'm holling, I'm telling. Hey, hey, my greater be the, hey, who made that boy cry? That's how he's talking. Hey, leave that boy alone.

So you don't, ain't nothing wrong with me. But since he said, leave that boy alone, who made that boy cry, now I got to cry. Oh, Ocho, I'm about to run. That's how Spain got so fan, because he had to catch before I tell Papa. Ha-ha. Hey, you gotta pay me something. Hey, hey, Ocho, my grandpa used to talk to us through the screen, though. He wouldn't even let us in the house.

He's like, what you want? Like, man, we come down here to the cheer out now. I know y'all come down here trying to pimp me and your grandma. Now, God, we get a voice right. That was, that was, hey, and live, I tell, I tell. I couldn't help it. I don't know why I was like that, though. We weren't raised like that.

Spanke her would never tell. You were the youngest. You were the youngest. Maranelle would never tell on Gladys. Gladys would never tell on Maranelle. Sherman Dean and Jane never told on each other. But me? Is he young?

I know, hey, I know, Joe. Hey, you know, we talked about, you know, that hypothetical situation. With the rip, if we had 24 million to split, yeah. I don't know. We might not be able to do it. That was long time ago, oh, Joe, ties were tight.

Nah. Yeah, yeah, but, you know, it was in you back then. It's still in your nine. Joe. What's you trying to say? We might have to take on God, man. Ah, man.

Yeah, we might have to take them. No, first of all, Joe, you already know, because this man ain't trying to, now they already know, we go, hey, what y'all find at the house? Nothing.

Well, damn, y'all was gone an awful long, long time. Yeah, but we had to make sure we, you know, make sure we went through the house thoroughly. Instead of leaving, like, if I called somebody, we don't stashed a couple of, we don't stash a couple of brits. He want to take all the money. Yeah, they don't know. They sent us on the case, right? So, listen, we went on the case. We thoroughly checked the house upstairs, downstairs, did everything we needed to do, went behind the walls under the beds. Matter of fact, we checked the dog house. We digged up the dog house to make sure there was nothing up under the dog house. And we didn't We didn't find anything.

We did paperwork. Matter of fact, we called, we called it backup. After we stashed everything we needed to stash, we ain't find nothing. That's okay.

I think that's the conflict that me and Ocho are going to have because I'm willing to give some that action because Ocho, Ocho, they're going to give us probably a little bit or whatever.

They're not going to give us anything, but that's okay. You know good and well, you know good and world. Man, you look, but that's okay. If they don't, we all got five or things.

Yes. Let them have the other five, that lover eight. So guess what, Ocho? We're going to get some new vests. We're going to get some new body cams. We get some new cars. Right.

Yeah. Hey, I don't like, damn, my camera went. My light went out. Hey, you know what? I don't like that. I'm going to have to take both of y'all out there. Do you know what I'm saying? Greed.

Greed. Greed. If not greed, listen, hey, God, God, God put that there for a reason. God put it there for a reason. You all talking about giving it back. Listen, stuff don't happen by accident. blessings in that kind of magnitude that ain't no accident i ain't say we give it all to them i'm saying we give some of it to them it if he wanted him if he wanted them to have it he would have it in

how about this here we consider that our tides okay well we give it to the church we can give it to the station no no no no no no that's that's the tide that's that's what we left for them i'm gonna break the church off too but i got you got to break the church off an increment You know, you can't just go dump a hundredth hour on the church. They're going to be looking at it. They're going to be looking at you sideways. Not Joe. You don't know exactly.

Yeah. You know, I'm, I'm going to help. I'm going to help. I'm going to help with the building farm. You know, they always want to get them windows fixed. Man, that building ain't never been. That building ain't got no roof. They ain't got no windows to it.

They got nothing. So I already know the building for, I already know that building ain't going to get completed. So I'm going to start with a piano. I'm going to buy some new pews, pool pit, I would do all that. The building for the lost cause. That's the bridge to nowhere. But, no, I just think, Sean, I think we're all in agreeance here that Sean is trying

to do the art of misdirection. I upped up. Right. Let me see how much commotion I can cause. Yeah. It's going to be a long, until they get back into a similar situation and in advance, there's not going to be. you're not going to be,

not an egregious, like an egregious era like this and when you have a backup quarterback. I don't know if he'd have been, if they would have killed him as much if he'd have Bo Nix, but you know you got a backup. You know the weather is going to get worse

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podcast. Stop. Oh, Cho. Yo. Sean Payton announced that the team has parted ways with offensive coordinator Joe Lombardi, wide receivers Carrie Colbert, and cornerbacks coach Addison Lynch. Lombardi spent 12 years over two different stents on Peyton's staff with the Saints and has been the Broncos offensive coordinator since Peyton was hired in 2023.

However, Peyton is the offensive play caller. Sean, don't do this. I love Sean Payton is great. Why you fired that man? You made the call. You went forward on fourth down. Joe Lombardi. So what?

Joe is supposed to say, coach, you an effing idiot if you do this? Right. I don't get, I can see if Joe Lombardi called a place, but first of all, every play caller that's not the head coach,

the head coach is listening in here. No, let's run it in this situation. He could have easily said that. I got a question. Who fired him? Sean Pays. Was that Sean Payton's call or did it come up above up up

up fired him. Sean Payton has a lot of control, a lot. Right. Damn, I wonder what. Cause he getting a lot of heat for that boat. He's getting a lot of heat for that call. Right. Or so that a premium.

The weather, huh? The same Kerry Colbert that played receiver. I guess. I don't know. No, Carrie Cobb. I carry. Yeah. Yeah.

He pleaded. He played during, he played during my era. Oh, did you remember Kerry Colbert? I think he went to USC. I could be wrong. I think, I think he went to USC. Chat, Kerry Colbert, went to USC, didn't he? I just don't understand how Sean could fire this man

and ain't nobody gonna be sitting back there thinking like, Sean, what you doing? Bro, you call that play. That's on you. You knew the weather. There's no way, nobody can convince me that Sean Payton didn't know that weather was gonna get vastly different in the second half that it wasn't the first and 10 points.

Now, obviously, you don't expect your quarterback to turn it over the negative field position, but still, Sean Payton has consistently said he would not surrender play calling duties as Broncos O.C. Lombardi was in the coach's booth and among those on the headset during the game. But Peyton was the voice in the quarterback's helmet. So how did the court didn't lose his job? when you call it the plays. It might be something else

we don't know about, huh? They might have had some disagreements. They might have had some quarrel. I told you you were effing idiot for calling for it on fourth down. That's why he fired me. Because I was the voice of reason. Yeah.

But you... That might be some stuff internally that we don't know about on, you know, maybe a disagreement, probably on exactly what you, exactly what you just said. I mean, who knows? I mean, if you know the right people,

you're probably fine. out though you'll probably find out the real reason why he was fired I don't think Sean Payton must have not thought that he was gonna get this kind of criticism bro that is a backup on his third team and you have an opportunity to go up 10 nothing kick that ball see Sean has started to get high on his own supply he had started to drink the Kool-A that he really thought that Jerry Skidham was like that he did I'm not so sure we were to pay Manning I don't think I think a Bill Belichick in that situation,

I think Bill and Belichick could get it. Because Bill understands situational football. He understands, he doesn't got the weather report. This thing will get bad in the second half. I need to be as much as I can. 10 points might be enough to win this game. And I'd be damn. 10 points was enough to win the game.

I know it hurt, okay. I know. I hear it in your voice. You know what, Joe? And I told Ocho this. I said if we had lost with both. Yeah. It would have been bad.

You don't think y'all had a chance. Yeah, we had a chance. Yeah, we had a chance. We kicked him. But he had, but he couldn't turn the ball over. Were you playing with your backup? Your backup can't turn the ball over. Yeah.

Because he doesn't have the capability in the world with all to go get those points back. That's not Tom Brady. That's not Peyton Manning. That's not my home. That's not one of those guys that can have a turnover and still have that kind of and have the ability to make plays. That's not, he's not a playmaker. Not.

The bill's promoted offensive coordinator Joe Brady as the next head coach earlier this week. The decision to fire Shaw McDermen and elevate Brady rather than clean house is now under heavy scrutiny. Ocho, are you confident that Joe Brady is the guy? I mean, what's the goddamn difference? He was already there. Hell, you might as well have kept, you might as well have kept Mr. McDermott. Joe, that don't make no sense to me. Yeah.

If you're a head coach and someone that's under you, you know, I mean, if you find McDermott, why the hell everybody else ain't fired? They want a different voice

in there, Ocho. Man, come on now. Come on. I don't understand. Have Brandon Bean kept his job. Who was at the gym? I don't know how he kept his job.

That's what I need somebody to help me. Explain that to me. Because it seemed like Sean McDermott caught all the criticism. And I get it, you know, Mr. Pagula, you know, he's supporting his GM because he gave him a more up title. But those players, I think, you know, he wanted to put, what's the, Keon Coleman. He put that in the lap of Sean McDermott.

Yeah. I just. It's crazy. A new voice. That's the same voice he heard. I look, I don't, look, I think Joe Brady did a phenomenal job. Yes, sir. The thing is, Ocho, is that Sean McDermott, you know, his defense, they've been one of the top offenses, but defensively is kind of where they falter.

Yeah. And that's his level of expertise. Remember, they fired Leslie Frazier. Yes. Yeah. Leslie Frazier was our de-coordinator in Cincinnati, too, huh? Yeah, Leslie Frey. Yeah.

Chris Frazier. So what's the, what do you think? Super Bowl or the bus this year, Ocho? for the bills? Well, hell, that was supposed to be this year, huh? This year, this was the easiest route for him. You ain't had to deal with three or three of the better players out of the AFC, you know?

So maybe next year, maybe next year is a little different. Maybe he can run the gauntlet. He can beat my homes. He can beat Burrow. He can beat Lamar Jackson. We don't know. We don't know what next year is going to look like. But hell.

And what the bills need? receiver or one. They got a one. I think the thing is, look, there's too many turnovers. This was on Josh. This one's on Josh. Because Josh is really good in the postseason Joe.

He hadn't had a turnover in six playoff games. He picked the worst time to have the most turnovers he's had in a very long time. It's hard to win on the road with five turnovers and four of them is at the hand for your quarterback. Now guys fumbling and stuff like that ain't really a whole lot you could do about that. But this was on Josh's watch. So it's tough. And, you know, Sean McDermen, I know Sean McDermy and Ocho and I was talking about,

look, this grandstanding, he knew he couldn't challenge that. He knew that call, the call what it was. And he knew the, you know, you gotta survive the ground. But he knew, they probably had, if they didn't flat out tell him they had probably alluded to, you're gonna need to get to the Super Bowl in order to stay in the standard. job.

You probably, you probably knew that. Oh, I knew. Because I talked about this in Ocho, Ocho, you laughed at me because I told you in October. He's like, you think brother McDermen? I said, oh, yeah, absolutely.

Yeah, you did see he was out of there. If they didn't win. What I tell you about, what I tell you about the Steelers and the Ravens, the coach your situation? Harbaugh. Yeah. Oh, yeah.

Yeah. New voice. You said, loud and clear. Yeah, Harbaugh, been there for a minute. 18 and he'd been there 18 years and Tomlin had been there 19. Hey there, this is Dr. Jesse Mills, director of the men's clinic at UCLA Health and host of the mailroom podcast. Each January guys everywhere make the same resolutions.

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Oh, it's a rap. It's time to rebuild. Who your MVP right now, then? Drake May up there, Josh Allen up there still. Oh, my boy, Matthew Stafford. Where did his vote Knicks at? He ain't too far behind. He did all this talk.

What Matthew Stafford is doing statistically, bro, is crazy. Bro, you know I ain't no Josh Allen fan. But Matthew Stafford got better weapon. Caleb Williams. Hey, he should be in that conversation. In what conversation? He should be in it. Listen to broken play with him.

with Nav Green from the Black Effect Podcast Network on the I Heart Radio app. Apple Podcasts or whatever you get your podcast. The Browns. Coach O'Chill have hired former Ravens offensive coordinator Todd Monkin to be the next head coach. Monkin, who has spent the last three seasons in Baltimore, will become the Cleveland's 11th full-time coach

since returning to the NFL in 1999. In Monkins' first season with the Ravens, he helped Lamar Jackson win his second MVP in 2023. despite the great success in 23 and 24 with Monkin as Ravens OC. As Lamar O.C., Munkin had chemistry issues during the previous season, as reported by team sources. Munkin demanding coaching style clash with Lamar's preference. Ocho?

Yeah. How do you see Todd Munkin handling the battle between Shadour and Deshaun? If he couldn't deal with Lamar. Well, listen, he's had some, successful Lamar. It doesn't matter who coach Lamar. Lamar is going to be who Lamar is. Joe, you can go out there and coach Lamar.

He's going to be the exact player he's always, he's always been. He's going to be that two-time MVP type player that can change the dynamic of a game at any point. Todd Munkin's going to have to get in his bag over there in Cleveland. You'll do more to that. He's going to have to get in his bag

as an officer coordinator and have a plan. I'm not sure what that plan is going to be. I'm not sure who you're going to go with, whether it's Deshawn Watson, whether it's Tell, Dylan Gabriel or whether you're Dor Sanders, but he's going to have to find and find out very quick who's going to be the quarterback number one in the team.

And after that, then you forgot what you're going to do in the other surrounding areas offensively where you need help. And they're going to need a lot of help. I have no problem with the hired itself. He's had success, obviously, with Lamar, but there is no Lamar Jackson in Cleveland. No. There is no Lamar Jackson in Cleveland.

And therefore everything Todd Munkin has to provide to help those quarterbacks, he going to have to be in his bag, huh? He got to be in it. Remember, he won two national championships with Stetson Bennett as a quarterback at the University of Georgia. Hold on, Matt. Wait a minute. Stetson Bennett as his quarterback on a Georgia team that was loaded on goddamn defense. Now he has, he's going back to a team where they're loaded on defense.

Now, the Achilles Hill for the Cleveland Browns has always been going on. offense. If you can get that offense on point, just meet him halfway, just maybe somewhere Joe in the middle of the pack. You ain't got to be top five. You got to be top five. Just meet us half goddamn way, please. They got some promising young talent, though,

Uncle Ocho. Hey, hey, what's the titan name? Fanny. Oh, Fannie. Boy, that. Hal Fannie, Jr. Damn it. Hey, that young boy,

that young boy there. Boy, hey, Joe, he is the real deal. Yes, sir. And speaking to Cleveland Brown, if I see Miles Garrett, anywhere in Santa Clara, yeah, he got to see me.

He gave your jersey away. Joe, he sent the jersey to the Hall of Fame instead of getting it to me, knowing I asked for at first. Man, we told you he were going to do that. Hey, Joe, hey, Joe, I'm for the Mollywhopping, Joe. I'm for the Mollywhopping, Joe. Hey, Ocho, Ocho, leave that long, let they go.

No, no, no, no, no. You don't disrespect me like that. You told me you was going to give me the jersey. So that means you're supposed to be a man of your word and give me the jersey. I don't care who asked for it. If I ask first and you say yes, now I got to whip your ass. Well, I don't think he's going to be ducking on smoke. Yeah, but he ain't got a duck.

He ain't got a duck. He ain't got a duck. He going to get what he looking for. Okay. He think he had 23 sacks. It's going to be 24 when I get done with you. Oh, okay. I think the thing is for me, Ocho, let me know what you think, Joe.

I think it'll be easy. It's hard to coach. superstar quarterbacks. It's hard. It ain't easy. Ask anybody that's ever had to coach him. You think it's easy coaching Don Brady? Now, it makes your job easy,

but they're going to need to know. They need to know what you're telling me is legit. They got questions. They're going to need you to give them answers. Not while I get back to you. No, you better find out you better know the answer. It's not easy coaching these guys now. Because these guys are brainy.

I mean, you talk about Lamar. and Lamar, like, Lamar, like, hold on, who you, who you're yelling, who you think you're talking to? And I'm so glad you just mentioned that too, where how hard it is the coach, quarterbacks. And I'm not sure if you seen the clip Joe, or Unk, I'm sure you saw the clip, Unk, I know you've seen it before, but goddamn Bill O'Brien and Tom going at it on the sideline.

And Brady going down on the sideline, chat. I don't know if you guys have seen that clip, you know? So if they went at it like that on the sideline, what you think happened in practice? Oh, yeah. Shit. Hey, Joe, one of the greatest times of my life being in the New England Patriot is goddamn Bill O'Brien and Tom Brady going at it in practice for about five minutes straight.

I'm talking about you think I'd be messing up cursing on here sometime. Oh, Tom will curse now. Hey, hey, Joe, I was sitting there smiling ear to ear. I'm like, oh, what ain't really going at? Like cuss his ass out, Tom. Hey, I'm talking about going. I'm like, oh, this is how it is. No one of these dudes

win all the goddamn time. Everything got to be right, Joe. Yeah. Everything has to be perfect. If it's not perfect, you're doing it over. And you're not doing the playover. You're starting the whole period over and doing it again. That's what was expected of everybody,

especially offensively. So when things didn't go right, Tom got on Bill. When things didn't go right, Bill got on Tom. And they kept that standard no matter what. And it helped me understand, well, goddamn, no wonder they went all the goddamn time. And, oh, I wish you could have been there to see that,

I ain't never in the history of all the time that I played the game of football ever seen a quarterback and the coach go at it like that. But it was awesome. Yeah. And from that point on, the rest of practice, he maxed. Oh, you gotta have a standard. One mistake, not one drop ball, no nothing.

It's just everything was smooth. We went out there, I forgot who we played that week. Man, we put a back damn there 40 points, Joe. Put a band up 40 points. Hey, oh, that's, you know, we went to the Super Bowl, Joe. Yeah, we went to the Super Bowl that year. There has to be a level of expectation. We all lost through that year, oh Joe.

The Giants, man. Oh, Eli. Yeah, Eli, yeah, Eli caught, was that man? Mario Manningham on the sideline gets covered to. He dropped it in the bucket, Ocho. He dropped into the bucket. That was a beautiful throw. Damn, that was a beautiful throw.

Yeah, that's what I'm, look, you know, being around John and being around Mike, because Mike was like that. For real. You might get away if you drop one in a team period. Drop two, start it over. Oh, Lord, please do.

All I'm saying, I don't want to be the one. Right. Right. Right. Man. Man, boy, look here. Mike was hell, man. There's a, hey, when I say he said, don't accept anything in a win, you wouldn't have a loss.

Yeah, he meant that. Yeah, he had to have, we had to get it. I mean, run, catch any path. I don't give a damn if it was a down flat. You finishing 40 yards, 40. Yeah. And come back. And they got to run back.

Yeah. But then you like, Okay, now understand why we do it. You get a greater appreciation for why you do things and you see, okay, so this is why the 49ers have success. Because they were like the Patriots in the 80s. Yeah. You're like, okay, now I see, now I see.

Who. Brown's defense, according to Jim Swartz, might be out of the door after the team hired Monkin as his head coach, according to Tom Pelliserra. Pelliserro reported that Swartz, who's one of the three finalists, was visibly upset and said goodbyes in the building and told other coaches, he's not coming back. Opposing teams are reportedly ready to pounce if he leaves also.

Miles Garrett just posted on IG. That's bro sitting down like, damn. Hey, Joe, you see that lady that working Papa, see how she look? That just how I'm gonna have Miles looking when I catch up to him out there in Santa Clara just like that Miles like man just got me a unanimous defensive player the year I was playing good with this man and this man in this which I all do. Hey, hey, um come on now you know man listen anybody you could have been coaching that brown defense Miles Garrett still would have got them 23 sacks he still would have been an all pro in matter of fact even if Mrs. Swartz is leaving, whoever comes in to take over that goddamn defense,

you got the pieces in the personnel where you're going to be all right. You got the pieces and the personnel where you're going to be all right. That was the top five defense all season long, now. Right. Yeah, they, they ain't, hey, Joe, they ain't shabby at all. Yeah, no, I check them out a few times, though, Joe. They did, they did, they think. Oh, they're good defensively.

They're good defense. Very good. They just need some pieces offensive. They need a wide receiver. They need the offensive line help. I think in Joku's going to leave, so get another tight end. Do you really? Yeah.

Yeah. That's why they got Fanny then. It don't hurt to have two of them, Joe. Yeah. If you're fired you one in the fourth or fifth round. Hey, a fanning. Oh, I like it. I like him a lot.

He nice. You think in Joku going to require too much money? They're going to move. Like you said, they got Fannie. So, you know, we go draft the tight end. We get him on a low number, run a lot of double tight end sets. Yeah.

Look at the Patriots. They got Hooper and they got Hunter Henry. You look at the bills. Team, you know, it definitely helps. Definitely. Tom Brady joined the course of voices living. That coach Bill and Belichick was snub from being a pro football hall of fame,

said the voting committed decision is completely ridiculous. The quarterback coach combination, Brady and Belichick, famously team to lead the patient to six Super Bowl victories, nine conference championships. Multiple sources spoke with Belichick over the weekend described him as puzzle and disappointed by his inability to secure support up for at least 80% of the Hall committee. Ocho, we saw how the Hall did T.O. But could you have ever imagined them doing this to coach Bill Belichick? I mean, listen, it's get back for them. It's get back for them for all the press conferences.

Bill really being one that really doesn't disclose much. He doesn't give you much during those interviews. And this is what happened when you got people in positions of power that are able to control the narrative and control who gets in and who doesn't. They did it to Tara Owens. So them being able to do it to Bill Belichick, who doesn't sit right with a lot of people that are in those positions of power to control who gets in and who doesn't.

I mean, it was shocking to me, but I kind of understand it. because this is what happened when you have ego and pride and people who can control certain narratives when it comes to certain people. Oh, Joe. Wow. I honestly, it's effing ridiculous. It's epic and ridiculous. It's politics.

Listen, as prestigious as it is to be able to get into the Hall of Fame and what it means, I mean, this kind of lessens the value of actually getting in based on accolades and resume. It lessens it. It just does. Because what's the criteria? to get in the hall. Obviously, he meets all that when he comes to acculate. He exceeds it.

Beyond meets it. Right. It's ridiculous. It's ridiculous. A lot of what you said had a lot of truth to it. We saw a situation a couple of days ago with the Tracy Morgan situation. He got treated bad one way, when he was younger. Now he's in a position that he could actually help somebody.

He's like, no, I remember you. You bullied me. I remember you. Come on, now. Now, same thing. The people that Coach Belichick wrong way back when, when they tried to talk and he was smug and short,

now, listen, two things can be true. Yes, sir. They got to get back. Yeah. Chuck, Vince Lombardi, coach Lombardi, Coach Trump, Noel, Coach Tom Landry, Coach Don Shuler, the four coaches that's entered the hall

in on their first, on their first try. They're the four first ballot coaches that go in in the Hall of Fame. Coach Belichick has more Super Bowls than any of those. He has more victories other than Coach Shula.

He has more playoff wins, probably more than all of them combined, more division titles. He's a, he's a, there's no doubt. There's no doubt. But I'm just trying to figure out where was the uproar when T.O. didn't go in.

They, listen, chat, and I, I, this is not, and I'm just not a white or a black thing. I'm telling you a right and a wrong thing. What they did to T.O. was so egregious. They changed the rules to keep him out on the first ballot. They didn't change no rules. These are the same applicable rules that every member that's been voted on to go into the hall. When they, when they said, no matter what a. person does off the field, you can't, you can't use that to keep him out the hall.

Only what he did on the field. When it came down to T.O., they changed the bylaws. What you did on the sidelines could be used against you. What you did in the facility could be used against you because they had nothing on him off the field. Tio has never been in trouble. He's never run a file with the law. He's never having this name be mentioned for any impropriety. T.O. He led the 49ers in reception receiving. He led the Eagles in receiving. He led the Cowboys in receiving. He led the bills in receiving. He led to Bengals in receiving. There are three men in the history of the NFL that's been a first team all pro with three different teams. One of them is one prime time Dion Sanders. First battle hall of famer. The other is Ted to Stork Hendricks. Hendrickson. He and won Tara Owens.

He's one of three men with 150 receiving touchdowns in the history of the game. Now we're not wrong. It makes more sense. So now the Hall of Fame doesn't have any merit. When you kept there been so many guys that should have been a first ballot and you kept them out. Yes. What they did to coach Belichick is egregious and he should have been a first ballot hall of famer. But so, so should have T.O.

So if you didn't want to change the rules and say, no, what they did the T.O. wrong now all of a sudden whoever didn't vote for coach bellichick it needs to be made public when there's never ever been a cry to make the votes public why now yeah yeah yeah yeah i mean obviously because it because it's coach bellichick because it's both coach bellichick and it's egregious just as egregious as i'm not letting t o in and this is one of one of the things as as as as much as the hall of fame means are so many you know and i i i i i i i I just, for me, you know how I am. And Joe, you know me as much as we've known each other,

you know me extremely well. And those who know me personally know I'm one that it never needed validation. I'm one that conducted myself in a way where I felt if I can't be authentic to myself and I still be accepted and whatever it may be, I don't really care. You know, so Joe and Uncle, you got to think when I put that Hall of Fame jacket on myself, You know that was not an approval of any and everybody. Even Coach Lewis, a joke came to me after the game and say, you know what? That's not going to sit right with a whole lot of people, especially those voters.

And I told Coach Lewis after the game, I say, Coach Lou, when I put that jacket on, that was to let you know. And everybody else know, I don't need your validation. At that moment, after that touchdown and I crossed that 10,000 yard mark, that 10,000 yard mark, I felt I was Hall of Fame worthy and I don't need, which they probably wouldn't because I was always the problem child. Joe, I enjoyed that. I enjoyed that perception that I had of enjoyment and having fun in my way and not conforming to what they felt I should have been like.

No. At that moment, I felt I was Hall of Fame worthy. Right. That's why I put the goddamn jacket on. Oh, Joe, Joe, I'm going to trip you out now. Now, this is what they say. They said, that spy gate and deflate gate might have had some bearing or some weight to it to keep Coach Belichick out.

I don't know if you noticed this, but I was a criminal justice major. Do you guys know what fruit of the porth and this tree is? So the way you, the way they do this, if you said coach Belichick got these Super Bowls and these victories, through ill-gotten means, who benefited from those ill-gotten means? There's a guy coming up for the pro football. by Hall of Fame, they say he to go. Yes, sir. It's going to be very interesting.

Who would have been a beneficiary of Spygate? Who would have been a beneficiary of the Flakegate? Number 12. Are you going to keep Tom Brady out? You're not. So why would you keep Coach Belichick? No sign. Hey, I got a question, Uncle Ocho.

Who does the vote? Are these ex-clays? They do have, they do have, I think, like three or four players that do vote, but none of the almost 400. So it's 50 men and women. The mere fact that sometimes Joe, the way it does is that you have a writer from your city, from your team, and he makes an argument. When they went up to do Dan Marino, they said, Dan Marino, and they sought back down. When they did Peyton Manning and they sought back down, you don't even have to make a case.

That should have been for Coach Belichick. You already know his resume. The second most wins, the most playoff wins, 17, 18, 18, uh, uh, uh, a division titles, six Super Bowls as a head coach, two as a defensive coordinator. His game plan is in the Hall of Fame when he shut down the K gun in Super Bowl. I think it was Super Bowl 20.

So there shouldn't have had it, there shouldn't be, they shouldn't have to, you shouldn't have to build a case. Because this plane is right there. You know what the man did. This is not no 1960. And I'm not saying you, I'm not trying to discredit anybody, but this is the modern era.

anything that happened to the Super Bowl. The man, so in the last 25 years, have we ever seen a streak of domination in the NFL and the history of the game? No. Mm-mm. So it's gonna be very interesting. These same 50 men and women that y'all said spy gate

and the flake gate weighed into winning, well, who benefited? So that means nobody that played on those teams during those spy gate and the play gate can go in the hall of family. on the first ballot by your argument. I'm just using what you said because y'all used that. And then all of a sudden now, don't nobody know Bill Poland and say he can't remember.

They just had to vote last week, Coach, oh, man. You know they got, oh, you know they remember Joe. This ain't no 15, 20 years ago. But I can see if it was 15, 20 years ago. Man, I can't remember. Man, there's so many guys. Yeah, we've voted. They got 120 guys.

We got to wheel it down to 75. We got to take it down to 50. We got to take it down to 25. and then we get it all the way down to 10. And then we got a senior committee. Yeah. So I can't remember all that over 15 years, Ocho. Man, they remember.

They remember. Hey, Joe, they pick and choose when they want to move the goal. They do. Depending on who it is. And this is this was a, okay, now we got you. Now we're going to get you. Yes. Yes.

Yes. And that's what I try to tell players, Ocho. Yes. That is exactly how it works. Because at the end of the day, Ocho, you got to realize, I understand you're supposed to take that out of it, but that's a human being. They got feelings.

You can't give somebody your ass to kiss and expect them to do you a solid, even though that's what their job requires. But they're human at the end of the day, Joe. Yeah. Everybody knows Cody Belichick should have been a first ballot Hall of Fame. Because if he's not, well, who's this?

I said the same thing with Tio. I say if Tio is not a first ballot Hall of Fame receiver, I don't know who is. I don't. I really don't. And I used to think I knew what a Hall of Famer was, having played in the game, having played against a lot of the guys that went in,

because basically anybody that went in, say, 95 on, I probably played against them or saw them up close and personal. So I know, and plus, oh, Joe, you know, we go in there, we break down meeting. We know the good player. Now, what the media says and all the fan base to get all excited about, all I know is that when we took that guy off that tape,

he wasn't one of the guys we circle. I'm going to leave it at that. So we know. For them to do that to coach Belichick, it's egregious, but I believe two things can be true. Go ahead, don't Joe? Yeah. Hey, Joe, that's some bull crap, man.

I just, I hate when people are in positions of power. And I never would, I would love for players that are always asking to get in. I know they would love to be honored. But I hate the fact. that some of them they beg and they hog and they and they and they they try so bad to want to be a part of something because of what it entails yeah you know and in needing the validation just because you don't wear that gold jacket don't mean you wouldn't that boy off the field right you still based on resume and accolades when you turn that film on it's still there the numbers you put up

the stuff that you've done during your career is still there absolutely it ain't going nowhere and I just I would never ever give anybody, not just the Hall of Fame in general, never give anybody the satisfaction of knowing they got that over me and being able to control and how I feel. It's a situation also. Mr. Crave, what the hell we wait on?

Tell me an owner, and I get it. Some of these old owners, Mr. Modell, Art Modell. I won't disrespect him by calling Mr. I call him Art. Art, look at what he does. You got Monday Night Football. He was the reason why.

Why? The benefit, the union, he's the reason why. But because he moved this team from Cleveland to Baltimore, because they, the city, they wouldn't, they wouldn't get played for the upgrades to the stadium? He's the only owner. There been, the Raiders go back and forth. The hell, the Raiders was moving like they had a mobile home. Hook up the truck and just move it up and down. They go to Oakland, they back to L.A. They go to L.A.

They back to Oakland. Back and forth. Never had to leave the colors. The Rams, y'all do like the Cardinals, y'all do realize the Cardinals used to be in St. Louis, Ocho. Yeah, yeah. They moved. They didn't have to leave the colors. The Rams.

The Rams originally started out. They weren't in, they were in California. Then they moved to Anaheim. Then they moved to St. Louis. Moved them back. They never left their colors. The Colts, Mr. Ursay, Bob Ursey, moved him in the middle of the night in 1984, like a thief of the night. load up the Mayflower bands and move them.

And he never left a color or record. The Tennessee Titans, they used to be the Houston Orlers. They went to Nashville first. Excuse me. Yeah, they went to Memphis. Was it Memphis? I think they went to Memphis first. But anyway, and then they went to Nashville.

And never have to leave a color or record. Art Modell is the only owner in NFL history that has moved and was required to leave. believe the colors and the records in Cleveland. And they still won't put him in. Mr. Kraft, what more can you do? How much more can you win? Cause they put a lot of owners in before him.

That's one less than him and he's been in after them. Don't get me started. Don't get me started. I'm good. Now I can speak my mind. See, I used to hold back because I was really trying to get my brother in because I know they ago use what I said against him.

But now he ended, I'm in. I'm going to let y'all know how I really feel. Hey. Because you're wrong. The way you did T.O. was absolutely wrong. The way you did Bill Belichick was wrong. Dead ass. The way you've done Mr. Crap and the way you've done Art Modell is wrong.

And you know it. Yeah. They make it on pay, boy. How much more? They got that power with Joe. Joe, how much more can I pay? I don't know, but, hey, it's obvious because, you know, his accolades meets the requirements. I mean, obviously, we all know that Bill Belichick is the first ballot.

You know, maybe due to the flake gate, all the shenanigans that is transpired with the Patriots, obviously, it didn't rub them people the wrong way, man. It has. It has, it has, Joe. But you know what? But I think the thing, look, Coach Belichick did not make it on any reporter to do their job. He didn't make it easy. He didn't.

No. I think we can. Two things to be true. He wasn't the easiest person to do your job, but he's more than worthy of being a first ballot hall of fame. Two things can be true. No question. And they are in this situation. But I don't believe now because it's egregious on the level of T.O.

that all of a sudden voters should have to reveal themselves. So now I guess, let me see now, Ocho, so if we start doing this, I guess everybody that voted for a candidate that my candidate didn't win, I want to know everybody that voted for the other candidate. Now, I need to see names. Yeah.

You see how ridiculous that sounds? They ain't going to do that. That's the whole point of the voting booth. That's why you go into Ocho, you pull the curtain. Because don't nobody's supposed to see who you voted for. Or no. Now, if you want to tell,

who knows, I don't know if I believe. you're not, because you lie, people lie so much. Now, I don't know if I believe it. Oh, I would never vote for him. Check. I wouldn't vote for her either. Check. I'm just saying, don't you?

I'm just saying. But in this situation, everybody knows Coach Belichick. It's like Coach Belichick. It hurts him. See, like, when your name came, like, when the first time my name came up in 2009, I was one of the, I think, 125.

I got whittled down. And then I made the five. Final 10. Mm-hmm. Made it to like the final 10, final 10. Made it to like the room or like the five because back then, Ocho, the, uh, the coaches and, and owners winning like players, they've since changed that.

They since changed that because an owner and a contributor, there are two different things, Ocho. They didn't, they don't know no damn feel. So how do you go in as the, at the equivalent of a player that actually played the game? So they changed that and I agree that. The next year I come back, Ocho, I got less votes the second year than I did the first year. I said, I said, you know what?

If I didn't get in, I said, if you didn't like my stats this year, you're going to hate them next year because they're not going to get any better. And the guy that's coming behind me are going to have better stats. Yeah. I said, I can't add to it. I said, I wish I can go back and get me another 50 catches, maybe another, you know, seven, eight touchdowns, Ocho, and go to a Super Bowl. Yeah. But there ain't nothing I can do. All I can do is just go back to it.

go back and look at my body of work. And don't compare me, don't compare me against Ozzy and Kellyn and John Mackie and Mike Dicca. Look at everybody tight ends that played in the 90. And look how far ahead I was than them. And I played in a running scheme. Yes, so that I say judge me by the 90s. Don't judge me by what Kellan and Ozzie and Dicker and Mackie and Christensen

and all those guys, Dave Casper, because that's unfair. That's unfair to them. that's unfair to me. I said, but my resume speaks for itself. Go ask the defensive coordinators that had the game playing me and asking what they thought of me.

Oh, what, if they, there you go. Yeah, there you go. As Floyd Peters, as Gunther Cunningham, as coach Cower, as coach Belichick, ask them what they thought of me.

Y'all see, see, sometimes, Ocho, sometimes the antics can overshadow the plate. And, you know, look, I'm having fun. Call the National Guard. I'm talking crazy to a lot of people. Oh, yeah.

But all I know, my team's won. Period. See, that's not fair, man. What? Hey, Joe. What's that? His team's won, but mine was losing. Hey, hey, Ocho, you got to play the car.

That's it. Hey, hey, hey, Joe, I play, I play one hell of a hand, too, Joe. You hear me? I play one hell of a hand, too, right? Yeah. Look, they didn't say I couldn't have, we couldn't have fun while we're playing. Our job was the catch, block, help our team win, get the ball in the end zone. Yeah, look.

Oh, yeah. And Cincinnati, you didn't have the best, you wasn't the best setup. I don't know if it was the most conducive for winning. I like it, though. I understand. That's the hand you, look here. If we play in space, some people, Joe, we play space space. If you don't get into space, you throw the hand in.

Some people play if you get face cards. You got to play the hand, even if you don't have space. Well, Ocho, you have face cards. You didn't have space, but you had to play that damn hand. And you played it well. You got a couple of books out of it. You got six pro balls. You got all pros.

Yeah. Come on, nah. Yeah. A lot of people, hey. Ocho ain't win. Look here. The only, I've never heard, tell me the time you've seen a receiver, he has the most comeback wins.

The only winning that matters is quarterbacks. That's why they have, how many wins, Brian Brady have. How many wins Peyton Manning have? How many wins pack your homes? How many come from behind wins? They don't put that on anybody else. They don't get that title of the coaches. They don't give it to tight ends, wide receivers, defensive, nothing. So only winning is tied to the quarterback. That's the only one that winning matters to.

That's what they tell you. That's what they tell you when they want to get said guy in. Now they want to keep you out. They dead ass wrong. They know it. Coach Belichick should have been a first ballot Hall of Famer. Absolutely. I like Coach Belichick when he's a bad guy. when he's not in Coach Belichick mode. He's a really great guy to be around.

I went to the Pro Bowl with him and had a conversation sitting at the bar, talking, having a drink. I wasn't drinking the time I was drinking virgin, strawberry, probably about 7,000 calories. But, you know, we at the bar having a good old time. I was working with CBS at the time,

and I think it might have been, who was the coach? I'm trying to think who the coach was. I can't even remember who the coach. damn coach was now. I mean, I know Coach Belichick was one with the coach. I'm trying to think who the quarterbacks were. Uh, I can't remember. But when you get coach Belichick away, when he's not in New England and he's not in that, that focus mode, oh, he's great to be around. And everybody that's ever been around if any player will tell you he's great to be around.

But when he's in that mode, he's all business. Different. He's different. It's just like, the quarterbacks. that paid to open up a little bit. But when he get away from football, he just better have a good time. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. All the way down. Yeah.

And it's long. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, yeah, yeah. And the funny thing about it, is, is this what I like? I mean, Joe and Uncle,

I tell you this all the time. I would love for players to stop being so PC and be themselves in front of cameras. But most of the time, depending on who you are, especially you're the face of the team. You have to conduct yourself a certain way. Yeah.

I am so happy. Joe, that I was able to not only play with Tom, but see Tom outside when that cat's not rolling. I'm so happy I was able to see Peyton Manning at the Pro Bowl outside when that cat is not rolling. That goddamn Bill Belichick, who I worked with all last year on inside the NFL, I was glad to see that bill outside of the bill

that everyone sees in front of that goddamn camera. Man, they ain't nothing like that in real life. He seemed a little more open on the NFL. Oh, yeah. He's more open to that. Bar. Joe, they, nothing like that in real life. And you would have to know them personally.

And it almost, it almost to them, it, it, it does them almost at this service where the rest of the world can't see how really dope they are because they have to be one way when the cameras, motherfucking. I'm sorry. When the cameras roll. They have to be so, they have to be so button up because everybody's trying to get that got you moment with one of those guys. Yeah.

Peyton, Tom, all these guys. are really, really buttoned up when the cameras are around. But when they're just hanging out with friends and buddies or being somewhere, hey, there's normal. Funny, funny, funny. You forget that that's Tom Brady. Yeah, funny. That's how I was when I played in Phoenix and we had a two-time MVP, Steve Nash.

Y'all know, he used to go out with us, Uncle Ocho. He used to hang out with us. See? See? On Amari, Quinn Richardson. Yeah. And she would be with us in the spot. Yes.

Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I'm a good old time. You know, Joe, I know Steve a little bit. You know, I play soccer with Steve all the time. He loves soccer. I play soccer with Steve all his time.

Hey, hey, he used to, he liked playing hockey too. We came to practice one day, you know, hockey and basketball. It's the national pastime. Man, listen. Oh, Joe, we came in, that man had on skates. He was out there on that ice. Used to see him coach went crazy. Man, what did you out here doing?

That man, know what he's doing, no. That boy will be moving on that. Nice, man. Yeah. You're different dudes. It's embarrassing. It really is. I still think the Hall of Fame is prestigious.

It's the heaven for the individual sport that you play basketball, football, baseball, baseball. It's kind of, I guess it's kind of like going into the, if you're a musician, the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame in Cleveland, Ocho. Hall of Fame. If you're professional bull rider, I think that's in Colorado Springs. It's your football. It's your football heaven.

It's your football mecca. I remember my grandmother when I called my grandmother when I finally got to call in 2011, I called my grandma. I said, hey, granny. She said, hey. I said, great, I'm going to the Hall of Fame. I never forget. She said, what's that, baby?

I say, uh, I said, granted, that's where all the good players go. She said, that show is good, son. That show good. I show hope I'm around to see it. Because at that time, OTG had gotten really, really sick. So this was in January, this was in January. This was in January. beginning of February, she passed in July.

So she didn't actually, she didn't actually, you know what I'm saying, but she realized my grandmother knew she could not see that ceremony physically. She had to leave this place physically and go with me there spiritually because then that body wasn't going to take her. And so to hear like, ooh, that show, that show good. She would always have my sister, let me find that boy on TV. My sister put put the TV on because, you know, back. then we're really good. So the Broncos always came on in that late window for, uh, yeah, for a, uh, C, A, B, NBC, NBC. So we always came on the late window. It is a huge honor.

It is. It is a huge honor. But there has been some damage done by some players that didn't get in that should have gotten in. And even if no matter what you think about Tio, and T.O should have been a first ballot. But then you're skipping McGahn on the second. Just to prove a point and make the guy going on the third ballot. No matter what you think. You see. I think Tio is one of the three greatest receivers ever played. I think it's Jerry.

Think. Jerry, Randy and Tio. Now, you can flip. I think you can flip Tio and Randy. I think it's universal regard to Jerry is it. Jerry is it. For me, Jerry is it. Some people like Randy,

but I think you can say, but even if even if you're not like Ocho and I, Tio is not getting out of the top five of receiving. to ever play this game. He's just not. No, absolutely not. So with that being said, if that's not first ballot, I don't know what is.

I don't. Mm-hmm. Yeah. Hey, I don't think DT, I don't think, did DT go in the first ballot? I don't think DT went in on the first ballot. Come on, bro. Did anybody, did anybody watch DT from 1989

to 1999? Did anybody watch those levels of the level? Did anybody watch those 11 years? I got to see it up close and personal from 90 to 99. Yeah. Yeah. They got your boy. They got me a nominee this year.

Think about Ocho. Yeah. DT had to go five times. Before we got in now. Dang. Anybody that played, anybody that played against D.T. Ask them. Yeah.

That first step, they need to stop. But see, this is what you get. Because you know what happens, Ocho, once you let them, once they get away with keeping certain people out, they feel like that's a lot of power, Ocho. Yeah. That's a lot of power, Joe. Hey, you know how you take, you know how you take your power back? Hey, Joe, you know how you take your power back? You create your own.

Say effort. You create your own. Shoot. Hey, I got, I got me a 14-carried gold book. Joe, you create your own bus. You create your own jacket. Shit. What you're all talking about?

Oh, man. What you're going to get, uh? That's crazy, man. Hey, hey, hold on. Let me show you mine. Hold on. I don't know who's going to get this. The kids.

I might have to have the kids sell this because, boy, look here. They're only one of them, Joe. The only one. You know, I got to. part there. You got to keep that part. They got to do ways and everything. Hey, they hooked you up.

Hey, they hooked you up, bro. Some kids. Where you are? Joe, what you got? Hold on. Hey, hey, uh, it's in the showcase. It's too heavy to bring out. I got a 14-carat gold bus like that,

but it's in the showcase. I can't carry the whole thing. Do you really, old Joe? Yeah, well, I don't, hey, Joe, I don't play. I'm not, I'm not, listen, them people ain't letting me in so I had to go make my own. No, you laughing. Why you laughing?

I'm, Joe, I'm not playing. I'm 14, care of, go bus. When they do my game room, you know they're doing my game room for me, right? Yeah. So by the time we get to like sometime after balance times, my, yeah, they do my, because you told me, you told me my parents. No, I, mine, so, so deduct 6,500 from the game room. Shoot that over to me. Wait, I, wait, you said it was 59. How you get the $6,500? Gotta be some interest. Yeah. Gotta be, oh, true. Three years. Hey, but, but, but no, this is

for the show though. I need the presentation when we get on. I needed to look good. Yes. So but the bus, the bus is gonna be in the background with all our wards and the nightcap, my nightcap sign is gonna be on. Like Joe, the whole thing, gonna look real nice, Joe.

Yeah, the chat would really appreciate if you cut that nightcap sign on. Hold on, let me see if it worked. Hold on, hold on. It's too bright, right. Can they see it? Oh, that ain't bad, don't Joe? It's distorted though, huh?

Yeah. Yeah. I think because it's so far away is distorted. So we do we know, do I wonder who also Eli Matt, we're going to talk about Eli later? We're going to talk about that.

Okay. Here's that. Armando Salgaro, one of the yes voters claims there were voters in the room who voiced their concerns about SpyGate before voting. Along with reinforcing the importance of voting process, the Hall released a statement stressing actions will be taken

if one or multiple voters committed a violation of the selection process. The Hall did not mention Belichick by name or identify the selection process bylaws may have been broken. One violation for would be an example, would be making a decision on a candidate based on non-football reasons. That does not, however, include Spigate. Varagorean of the Kansas Sea, Vahee Gagorian, I guess that's how you said that.

I apologize. I know Gagoria, because Kansas City Star became the first voter to outright confirm. He voted against Belichick. He explained that he didn't vote against Belichick and craft so much as the other three seniors players in Shrine. Who was that? Anderson. Who?

I know Roger Craig and Elsie Greenwood. I don't know who Anderson is. Gagorian said he believed all five of the candidates were deserving. but was concerned that the three players would have to wait much longer than Belichick, like many other senior candidates. Well, people say they wanted to put his name to it. I believe Elsie Greenwood. Look, Elsie Greenwood was not as heralded as Menjo Green,

Jack Lambert, Jack Hamm, Mel Blunt. But go back and look at those, that steel curtain defense, and look at the guy with the high top yellow shoes on. Joe. Go back and look now. Yeah. I'm old enough to remember Elsie Greenwood. I remember those things every, every, every Super Bowl they won, especially in the late like 76, 77, 77, 78, 79. Yeah. Elsie was. What? What he? I mean, they got, I mean, think about it. They got Joe Green, Hall of Fame, Ham Lambert, Hall of Fame, Mel Blunt Hall of Fame, Donny Shell Hall of Fame. So you got five Hall of Famers right there.

And you got LC. You had Andy Russell, who was a perennial all-pro and pro-bo player. LC Greenwood was a Pro-Bo player. So it's not very many times that you got seven all-pro than Pro-Bol players on a defense at a given time. And you're definitely not going to have five Hall of Famers in their prime together. Now, you might have a Hall of Fame to come later in his career, but they were all drafted to the same.

the Steelers. The Steelers drafted five Hall of Fame was in 74. Well, they drafted for Don Isle was an undrafted free agent. Lynn Swan, Jack Lambert, John Starworth, and Mike Webster. Their first four picks on, Ocho, in the Hall of Fame. All right. And then Donny Shell was an undrafted fee agent, his field, the field player. So one draft class on a team, I think we got five in our 90 draft class,

with your 250, 40 players. They got five of their first 12, 13, 14 picks. Wow. You ain't going to ever see that again. Hell no. Bill Nunn. Radio Rahin, that's his dad. With Bill Nunn, he was the guy to scouting,

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