Nightcap - Best of NFL News Part 2: Browns CHEATING Shedeur + Tyreek RETIRING?!

Episode Date: October 25, 2025

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson break down the biggest NFL storylines of the week! Unc and Ocho react to Tyreek Hill and Aaron Rodgers mulling retirement, Browns RB, Quinshon Judkins, joins the show and much more!  0:00 - Quinshon Judkins, joins the show13:31 - Aaron Rodgers says he'll retire as a Packer27:35 - Kevin Stefanski on Shedeur Sanders not getting 1st team reps32:40 - Tua Tagovailoa on not targeting Jaylen Waddle41:54 - Tyreek Hill considering retirement46:40 - Logan Wilson requests a trade from Bengals (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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I've got you covered. Our very, very special guest is joining us. Cleveland Brown's rookie sensation running by Quinn Sean Judkins joins a Q. What's going on, bro? What's up? What's up? How you doing? No, he good. He good. Now, what's up? You were housing that thing this week. Well, you've been housing it since you got back. But you was really housing that thing. You, hey, house called.

Fowdy. Seriously. I'm out. I had to. Yeah. How you, how are you feeling? How has your experience so far in the NFL been? Has it been everything you expected it to be as opposed to, you know, the transition from college to the world? Oh, yeah, most definitely. I feel like it's been. more so surreal not only for myself but for my family to get to experience everything you know get to meet a lot of the players um and that whole nine yards man just getting the finally touchdown you know being through going through so much a slow start to the beginning of the season

and shoot just everything taking off when i land man that's what's up sir man i'm from oh i'm from Alabama. I'm from Mark Dumberg. Oh, man, how did you let you get out of, how did you get out of, how did you get Wade, Ohio State from Bama? NIL. That's the way to keep, that's the way to keep in stack. Seriously. Oh, man. I think for myself, just in college, man, I ended up going to Ole Miss for two years. I played there in the SEC. Had a lot of success. And then my last year of college for my junior year.

I was like, man, I want to go somewhere I can compete for a national championship. So I ended up at Ohio State. I felt like that was a great situation. Coach Day was a great type program, a lot of talented players there. So I was like, you know, it's no better place to go than Ohio State. So I end up there. Hey, Q, tell me something. You, SEC freshman year, right?

I was like nominee for it or something like that. But, yeah, I think I was a freshman year. I can't even remember. So you left the SEC to go to Ohio State, huh? Hey, that bag different, ain't it, man? For me, it wasn't about that, though. You know, like, for many different people, like, in the game, it's about money, the car. For me, it was, like, an end of day where I'm a competitor.

I'm trying to go out and, you know, kill it. Like, I'm trying to go out and, you know, win games as much as possible. Because at Ole Miss, I was putting up 1,500 yards. I'm getting 15 touchdowns a year. So I'm like, man, no. I'm doing all that, but that's not what fulfills me. That don't make me happy, so that wasn't what I was chasing. You wanted that title.

Hey, Q, Q, Q, hey, hey, don't give me that politically. For real, though. Not for real. Coo, come on. Hey, this is your boy. Come on. Don't do you like that. For real.

Hey, okay, okay, okay. I'm, I'm, I'm going to let you have it. Hey, one thing, I want to talk about, I'm going to talk about the Cleveland Browns. And I want, I want to, from the outside looking, I don't, I don't, don't think you quite understand obviously you you in position but me on the outside looking in because there there's been there's been controversy at the quarterback position do you understand that you are the bail cow that you are the offense that often goes as you go most of the times it's a star player a star quarterback or a star receiver but you are the nucleus of that offense

and as you go the rest of the team goes do you quite understand that just yet I think think just because it's so early on in my career, I quite don't get it yet, but at the same time, I understand, like, the situation, like, and Coach DeFanski's, it's offensive. If you go back to Nick Chubb and Kareem Hunt and a different guy's playing in this offense, it's always been able to lean on the run game. And I think that's what's very beneficial about playing this offense. So I think, you know, just in my mindset, man, And like my mentality, regardless of who we plan that week, what plays we're installing, just had a staying determination, bro, to just go out there and, like, just leave it all

out on the field. But knowing the particular, like, situation, like, yeah, for sure, knowing that this is a run-first offense, I'm already going on. Yeah, well, you're in the West Coast system. In the West Coast system, that's all right. You put your foot to dirt and you get down here. And then everything comes after that because now we're going to boot. We're going to play action because, look, I play, I played in this offense.

Now, a lot of it's maybe changed the wording or the herbage has changed, but you go back and look at the Broncos offense with TD and Clinton Porter's and Mike Anderson and Ruben drones. And you look at the way the team run this offense, when you got a running back, when you got a guy, Kristen McCaffrey in San Francisco, Karen Williams with the Rams, you look at Josh Jacobs with the Packers. when you look when that when the run game is efficient this offense is almost impossible almost literally because i feel like that's when we're our best when we're clicking in the rank game

like i feel like as a team man we're unstoppable and that that's where we continue to get better at and consistently try to go out there on sundays and put it all together because i feel like like you said man that run game is what really helps us what was your expectations when you What was your goals? When you came in, you was dealing what you did. You was dealing with what you was dealing with in the offseason. I think you got uninvited to the draft, but you was going through what you was going through.

You was like, okay, this is going to be behind me. And I'm going to have to put what this is. I got to put that behind. And I got to go somewhere and I got to perform at an elite level. I got to play like I know I can play. What was your expectations for your rookie season? think for myself it was more so a testament to you know what i'm doing when nobody was looking because when i wasn't in the building you know like i didn't have a strength a staff i didn't

have a coach to talk to to to go overplays i didn't have every resource that i had while i'm here in cleveland now so it was like the amount of dedication that it took for me to give everything i had and try to perfect my crowd when i wasn't around and then come back and like like it was nothing and try to get on that same page with no training camp, no football for, what, three months? So not having those things and just training, making sure I'm mentally sharp. So when I get that call and I go back, I'm ready. I think that was my things that I really heart the most.

Also, other than like physical activity, was really just making sure, you know, like I'm mentally sharp just because you go through something. much, man. A lot of people don't understand. They'll never know what it's like, you know, especially being an athlete and the thing that we deal with. But, yeah, bro, just really just making sure I'm mentally there all the way, sharp 100%. I love that what you said, what you were doing when no one was watching. Because discipline is doing what you should do versus what you want to do.

I'm sure you wanted to, hey, the boy's kicking it. They do what they pay. Hey, let me go over here. Let me party. Let me kick it. the discipline. Stay true because I got bigger issue. You're the first Browns player with three rushing touchdowns in the game since Nick Chubb did it, September 18th, 2022. You had 84 yards rushing three touchdowns and your rookie of the week nominee. When you see things like you've done doing things that hadn't been done by a Browns player in three years, you're doing, you know, being nominated for rookie year. Look, we all want validation. We put that kind of time in. We put that kind of working in the off season,

and to see you plant a tree, you wanted to bear fruit. Yeah. You're bearing fruit. Yes. How pleasing, how gratifying, how satisfying is it for like, okay, everything that I did in the off season,

everything that I went through, this is more gratified. It makes it even more like I know I was doing the right thing. For me, it more so, like, I'm just in one of those people where it's like, man, I'm just trying to chop wood. I'm just trying to chalk wood. You know, what I'm doing.

is that's cool, but at the same time, like, you know, I got bigger goals. I know how I view myself as a competitor, how good I want to be. So I don't really think about it, but at the same time, when I look up and knowing what I've been through, knowing, like, how I persevered, knowing what, like, different challenges I'll face, and then you see the light at the end of the tunnel. It motivates me personally to, like, you know, keep going and strive to be better. So I think just that motivation you get from in the hunger. Hey, Q, man, as a rookie in the NFL, bro, living the American dream.

Tell me, tell me what it's like, because when I look back, when I was a rookie playing in the NBA, bro, I couldn't sleep, man, I couldn't sleep. I was so geek for the moment because I'm coming, because when I came in the NBA in 01, is when Jordan came back, you know, T-MAC, cold, Vince caught all of them dudes who was, you know, they was at the apex, so I couldn't sleep nights before. four games because I was still keep them for the moment. I, man, I'm not playing. So what is it like as a rookie

living the American dream? You've probably been wishing for this moment since you was a kid and now that you're actually in it. What is it like? Oh, man, I think for me, man, like just finally being here, this is something you think about your whole life. Like, you

work your whole life for this. Like, you worked since you was this big, like to get to this moment. So it's like you finally here. But what I realized was, it's like, okay, it's not how fast you can get here, it's how long you can stay. So my thing is, you know, doing everything in my power to, you know, be able to go out there and do this, have the same amount of success, not only for this year, but before a long time and keep that same discipline. So that's the one thing I did learn. I would say

is that, you know, just having so many good vets too. You got a lot of good vets in the locker room. And you meet a lot of good players around the league to develop a lot of relationships. I think in college is more so very compared to the NFL, I would say, it's kind of individualized just because guys aren't in locker rooms as long as they are at different organizations in the league. So I think in the league, man, you always have people that you can lean on, get advice from. Because, like, coming into this, you know, a lot of stuff moves super fast. So having somebody that you can ask different questions to, so you're not just hit by the blind. For real, for the body holding up. Good.

I feel, I feel good. You know, I used to get, I got a lot of carries when I was at Ole Miss. I used to get a lot of carries. And then last year at Ohio State, I think I had like maybe 300, 255. So I was used to being the bail count guy, you know. Right. So I feel good, though. Okay.

How is the quarterback? Look, he started out, you know, you know, Gabriel gets drafted and the Shadour comes in, and we know what's your door. We know what that last name brings. You got Joe Flacco, you got Pickett, and they, okay, we're going to move on. We go in this direction. And now has that, the quarterback, the situation with Gabriel and Shador, is he going to get reps?

Is he going to start? Is he going to play? Has that impacted the locker room in any way? No, I think with our team, we're all so close. And we got a lot of, we got so many young guys, man. It's like in our locker room, we genuinely, it's almost like you in college again. It feels like, for real, for real, like, damn. I'm like I'm full of young guys, but, man, it's just like the energy there.

Regardless of who playing, those two guys, they always support each other, man. Like, it was a clip I seen on the internet the other day, and it was like them walking down the sideline and just talking, laughing about, I think we had just scored a touchdown or something. But that's who they genuinely are. That's who they truly are. They are competitive at the same time they want what's best for each other. And I don't think it's ever been turmoil or any words said by anybody on our team.

like about who's our quarterback. We all 100% support Dylan. I even played him when I was at Ohio State twice. I played him at Oregon once, and then I played him again in Pasadena, California at DeRose Bowl. So I got to see him and how he is as a quarterback. He's super talented, bro. He's like super smart.

He processes really fast. And he's a great player. So I'm excited to see how he developed in his career. That's amazing. Man, Q, thanks for stopping by. Thanks for giving some time. Congratulations on your early success. Continue success.

Stay healthy. And, you know, when it's all said done at the end of the year, you go over 1,000 yards. Come back and tell us how you do it. Yes, sir. I appreciate you, man. All right. Later.

Yo. Thank you. Hey, tell Denzel Ward, he can't stop. Hey, look, I'll be telling him at practice. He became mad. I'd be like, bro, I've been that corner on your ad. Boy, I'm 22. I'll still do it.

You know what? Yeah. I'm like that. I'm going to hit them, though. I'm going to let them know. I appreciate that, man. In the heat of battle, your squad relies on you. Don't let them down.

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That's all. And he feels that for the first time and a long time. Yes. Because what happened is that when you don't extend him, you're telling me you don't want me. Then you go draft a quarterback. You're really telling me you don't want me.

And then all this stuff starts leaking out. Well, Aaron Rogers was not informed about the quarterback. Nobody needed to know that. Right. Nobody needed to know that. The gentleman, the owner, what was the name? picks up the call and say, Aaron Rogers, don't you be the problem.

Nobody don't need to know that. So he felt they were going behind his back, undermining him, making them look bad when it wasn't necessary. Yeah. He goes to the Jeff. The Jets wanted him for whatever reason.

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I didn't know reports. He said he's gotten married. he says he's in a great head space. He's playing like he's in a great head space. But at the end of the day, he wanted to be wanted. Yeah. He wanted to be appreciated. And he felt his last several years in Green Bay.

Now, he might have felt that, but that doesn't, they still took him in the first round. They still, he won four MVP there. He won a Super Bowl there. He won an MVP there. He cut his teeth as one of the greatest quarterbacks to ever play. yes no matter what happened in new york or pittsburg everybody's going to remember him as a green bay packer absolutely absolutely so those new york years these years in pittsburg whether it be one whether it be two whether it be three would never override or overshadow what he did in green bay he will always be a packer

in the eyes of those that understand and watch the game of football over the years always yes And so, you know, I think that's great when the guys that spend the bulk of their career somewhere and they get an opportunity to come back and the team is welcome them with open arms, you sign the one-day contract and you retire as a member of the team that you broke in with and you're most commonly known for. I don't know if Brady did that. I don't know if Brady, but even though Brady won a Super Bowl, Brady's going to be remembered as a patriot. Patriot, no matter what.

I think he had three years. He won a Super Bowl. He threw for 5,000 yards. But in the eyes of everybody, he's a patriot. He's a patriot. Absolutely. Hey, matter of fact, but you know what, Ocho?

Huh. A lot of people still, they look at Peyton Manning as a Bronco because they see him at all the Bronco games. He does the majority. He lives in Denver. He lives in Denver. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. Yes.

Yeah. He lives in Denver. He's so, I mean, he's at all the games. I know he wants to be the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, the, so you know, the, the, the, so you're talking $4 billion. Yeah. Ooh. You're talking 50% oh, so you want to be the majority owner, so you got to own at least 50% of the team. Right. That's five, that's, you know, four, five, four billion, three and a half, four billion dollars. Hmm. Damn. And, and, and, and, and the value isn't, they aren't coming down. No, listen, the market would never come down. No. Ever.

Damn, man, that's crazy. So it's going to be, look, at the end of the day, and that's what I say, that's why all the time. It's hard to go to work when you're not, when you're not happy or you feel unappreciate. You feel you're not appreciated. It's hard, Ocho. Man, you make all that money. I don't give a deal about this money, man. money don't mean nothing, man.

I ain't happy. Hold on, well, you know what it feel like for one to be happy. Yes. It would feel like to be appreciated and happy. Yes. And then you add someone actually wanting you on top of that, but we talk about that's a trifect that is undefeated for an individual, whether it be in sports, whether it be in the corporate world,

or whether it be in a relationship with somebody. Man, there's nothing better than that feeling of being appreciated and being wanted. I think, oh, it's one of the greatest feelings in the world. Like, I love when my kids ask me for something, huh? I love when they ask me for something. And there's an appreciation to it that I'm able to provide whatever it may be that they want. Sometimes it's not within reason because you don't need it.

Right. But the fact that I can tell you why you don't need it, but the fact that I can, I'm in a position to be able to do. Like, that shit feel good. I told my kids, don't ask me for nothing until 2027. I ain't got it. I ain't got it. I don't know if I ain't got it. You daddy ain't got it. You daddy ain't got it.

Now, they know they're solid. They know, hey. Hell, no. Look, when they come to me, I already know they didn't. They thought long, they thought long and hard before they asked Daddy. Oh, yeah. Oh, yeah. Listen, one, my baby hit me today, Daddy, what you doing?

I responded back, how much? I mean, listen, I would call to see how you were doing. I was just called to see how you're checking and checking and saying you're doing. Yeah, you ain't you ain't, you ain't devil call that's how I'm doing. Hey, listen, I say, man, baby, I'm right here. I'm on the game. I'm chilling everything good. Okay, cool.

That was my son called me. Five minutes later. Send me, send me some money. I'm getting ready to go out of town. Yeah, I knew that. I figured that. Hey, miss me with a small talk, man. Get to the point.

My son called me. Get where he called me at, don't you? Where he at? Broke down side the road. I said, I ain't AAA. I'm in Vegas. What you called me for? Do you want me to call AAA?

Right, right, right. Yeah, I'm just, you know, I got the kids in the car. Oh, man, come on. Really? You called me broke down side the road with the key in the car. Right. I'll say, oh, man. What did it do? Call AAA or just sitting a little cash? Vehicle. Oh. Oh, a new one. Yeah. Oh, Joe. I'm in Vegas. Right. He in Atlanta. What can I do from Vegas? I mean, if he called me, he could have called a tow truck or he could have called AAA. Right, right, right. Well, you got to get him something new, What do you want a range rober? And still, so if I call, I still got to call Triple A or the Toad Company to the Giddy.

Right. I say, oh, man. Damn. Bro, I'd be hard, bro. Hey, just tell Shelly what you, and go. I like that. Hey, I need to. Oh, Cho, and then he's going to send me a picture.

in front of the vehicle like this here. Hey, he got it's something new, huh? Yeah. Hey. Hey. That's dope. My son, my son, my son, LeCJ, La C.J.'s got his first, uh, his first little Tesla.

He's got his first little Tesla without my help. Oh, did he? Yeah, man. Yeah, man. Hey, that, that felt good. That was pretty dope. That was pretty dope. Hey, all my kids, everybody got, everybody got their calls.

Everybody squared away, you know, hell late business. I'm feeling, I'm feeling, I'm feeling the calm. Oh, yeah, they're the kids, the whole thing is that the whole thing is that why we do it what we do what we do. Yeah. Me, I really don't buy a whole lot of stuff for myself. Yeah, I'll see something here or there I'll get. But for the most part, it's so. my kids, but they work.

I say, look, this family ain't got room but for one lazy mofo, I'm here. Yeah, yeah. Everybody else that's younger than me, you got to get it. Look, I ain't got no problem. Like I say, when they called me, I know they had their wits in.

I know they don't try everything. They'd have called their mom, and the mom's like, look, you know I ain't got it. Yeah. You know I ain't got it. Yeah. You know what, as long as you're working. And this ain't just about no kids in general.

This is, when you're calling on somebody, you ask for help, as long as you're trying to help yourself and you're doing something. That's it. That's all I ask. That's all I ask. Just be doing something. If you're doing something, I have no problem helping you at all. Just show me you making some type of effort.

That goes from the kids. I mean, just for anybody in your, especially at close proximity in my small circle. Man, you're good. The kids got to show me. Everybody else, everybody else that I'm going to. really helped that. Then I got too old to really work. My mom, you know, I got my mom a car. She probably put two miles on that car. But anyway, she wanted a new car. I got a car. My brother

took care of him. My sister, my sister, like, I don't, hey, the drive right around here in Glenville, I don't need nothing. But that's, I love the fact that, you know, they work for themselves. They do, they do their own. They do the best they can. I say, long as you're going to work hard and you're going, hey, you're going, you're trying. Right. I got you. But don't call me and say you without no job. I don't care if you switch a hundred jobs. Right. Just before you lead that job, you make sure you got another will lined up. You got to have some lined up. That's it. That's all, that's all I ask. That's all I asked. You ever been in a situation in general? Like, um, what was someone that

wasn't working? No, I got nothing for you. But see, Ocho, the way I am, I'm only going to give you what I give you money. I don't lend money. Right. So you get what you're staying not to have get back. You give what you can stand not to get back. Okay. That's it. I'm going to give you what I can afford like a walk away

just walk away from it. Right. That's what I do. Right. So when my home, when they ask me for money, that's what I do. I'm going to give you whatever. Whatever I give you, I don't expect nothing back. I don't mention it. Right. I don't bring it up. I don't talk. We don't talk about it. Right. Hey, hey, man, you know, I know I owe you. Bro, you good. I ain't mentioned it. I ain't brought

it up. Right. You good. So, but, but that's the whole, that's the whole point of it. Oh, yeah. Yes. Yes. I'm going to die and do what. Right. Yeah. I mean, I can't take none of that with me. I can't buy my way in the heaven. And I can't, hey, keep my way out of hell. So, Somebody by who gets some you side of it. You're right. You're right. But also you got to be careful what people are taking advantage of you just because you do have it. Just because you are going to get it.

I hate that. I hate that part. But, oh, I'm kind of insulated. So ain't nobody really got my number outside my close, close friends. Right. And, you know, you got to go through my sister. You know, anybody that's on that side. You got to go through my sister.

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It's different when you have a vet like Joe. Oh, Cho, what you think? Is this normal protocol? Hell, no, you know that ain't normal protocol. You should be doing the same exact. thing you were doing with Joe Flacco and Dylan Gabriel. Now Dylan Gabriel you should be doing the same thing you were doing with Dylan

Gabriel and Joe Flacco were goddamn Shadoor. It's a bunch of trash and all that is telling me is that Shadour is not closer to getting the starting job until Dylan Gabriel shows that he just can't get the job done. And that's why I say they're probably maybe

towards the end of the season, maybe laugh three weeks. Dylan Gabriel at some point teams are going to force him. You're going to have to beat this with your arm. Not going to We're not going to allow QJ to run up and down the field. They're going to play. They're going to stack nine in the box. You're going to have to prove that you can beat us with your arm.

That's it. You're right. I mean, I think, look, everywhere I've been, even when we had veteran quarterbacks or whatever, he'd get one or two reps. I don't know. Obviously, normally, I don't know how it was, but we had 10 plays.

We ran 10 plays per period. Offense got 10, defense got 10. Offense got 10. Defense got 10. okay special teams do what they do whether it was punt punt return kick kick return whatever the case may be and then guess what ocho another 10 another 10 another 10 another 10 so forth and so but you mean to tell me should do or can't get one rep two reps with the starters i mean out of 10 he can't get one what would that what would that do um that that would be wasting time getting one

and two reps with the started is wasting time and obviously on the fancy side also it can give Dylan, Gabriel, some type of, what's the word I'm looking for? Some type of security. Okay, my job is not in jeopardy. I'm not playing as well as I think I should be playing. So I'm getting all the reps to make sure that those reps actually count in practice. And once I get into the games, I'm familiar with those situations. Okay.

And that's all. I can see it from that point, too, you know, as a coach wanting him to get all the reps so we can get a little bit more comfortable with the situations based on it ain't the preseason them on it ain't the preseason it ain't the preseason I can't see listen they plan the goddamn Patriots this goddamn Sunday and that defense man look here all that all that check down here and check down there and trying to stay with them they're sitting on everything they're going to be sitting on everything everything

hey look I can't see it I don't see how he can't get no rip man you don't know what's going to happen just the NFL bro you one play away one play away so now when the guy goes in he's never got prepared because he ain't get no reps you were talking about

he can like I said Joe I agree with you I'm not saying oh Joe you split it five and five but he can't get one to two reps in a 10 play series yeah I understand what you mean even if it ain't nothing but a handoff

that's what I'm saying it don't make no sense to me man a handoff on yeah even if there ain't up with a handoffs Yeah, I'm sure I'm sure Should do what I'd like to throw the ball But just get a, hey, let him see the blocking With the first team old

Let him see the mesh point With the first team running back Things like it's simple It seems simple Let him take a snap from the guy that's going to be in the game I look and I get it And I understand like you said, Ocho That you know, Gabriel needs a lot of reps

But I don't think I don't think you've done his growth I don't think you harm him in any way if you give Shadoor one to two reps in a 10 play series. I don't. Hey, I'm with you. I'm with you. I'm with you. Because like we saying, man, it's the NFL. You never know when you're going to need Shadour.

It's a long season. Hey, look, man, you get him out there and he had no rips with none of the guys. Now it's going to seem foreign to him. I see he still putting in the work. But, man, listen, you got to get that man a couple of rels. In practice, man, come on now. because at the end of the day

everybody looked good in practice I want to know when you get in the game but if you haven't done it in the game it's hard to come in off the just come in and just go yeah because it's it's a thousand it's a thousand times faster in the game than what it is in practice

and guys be moving in practice but boy that thing is warp speed come game time you come in that game them guys are already lathered up They've been, they didn't already play it a quarter to one plea. Oh, yeah, they're hunting. They're hunting.

Oh, Cho, Joe, another day, another bizarre statement from Tua at the presser. Let's take a listen to what Tua had to say today, Ocho. Yeah, I think with that, some of it has to do with being able to see guys, with their guys also up front and our guys. and I'm not the tallest guy in the back there either. So being able to see and then, you know, sometimes when that happens, you don't want to just throw it blindly and you've got to progress. So I think that that had some merit to reasons as to why that happened for Waddle.

I think you're referring to Jalen Waddle not getting any targets in the previous game that just played against the Browns. Now we're? No, I don't think so. No, I don't think he even had any catches. But that goes to say, two is not that tall. Well, hell, neither is Kyle Murray. Well, neither is Baker Mayfield.

Neither is some other quarterbacks that are really good flutie. I mean, Russell Wilson. Russell Wilson, right? But all of them find a way to get the job done. So we can't use, oh, the officer line with all, oh, the D line. I can't see. It's all about anticipation. Four targets, one catch, Ocho.

Yep. Come on, man. Wow, but four targets, one catch. Mm-hmm. Joe. Mm. That's your best weapon. side of Devon Aitian. That's your best weapon, so you have to be able to get in the ball.

Tyree Killers gone. Who's the next speedster that can move the chains? Who's your next home run? Darren Waller is out also. He's strained a peck. Yeah. I mean. Oh, Joe, what y'all got going on down in Miami? I don't know, Joe. I don't know. I don't know, Joe. Honestly, to me, at this point, I say you blow the whole thing up. Oh, they go. I say, blow the whole thing up. And just I think that lady was in, um, in Georgia. When she told that police officer, we arrested, you're about to lose your job. You about to lose your job. I don't like, I don't like, talk himself out of that job, Ocho.

Yeah. Do you're making some money over that. Oh, that's okay. They're going to have to eat that. A team that's worth $7 billion, or $5.5 million, that's a tax write off. Oh, oh, Joe. Why would you, why would you make it? excuse to like, oh, yeah, because, you know, I'm not the tallest guy back there and they're not

the tallest. What? I don't know. I guarantee you, Ocho, when he went in for his interviews, he didn't mention his height one time. He didn't mention one time that he has a problem seeing over Lyman, seeing down the field. What do you think he, what do you think the chances are, Ocho, when he was going in on his interviews? Right. That he brought, he mentioned his height. No. got they got passing lanes for a reason you anticipate you anticipate throws for a reason he toa is a very very very good above average rhythm quarterback his anticipate anticipatory skills are really good that's how he plays that's how he runs the offense um it just seemed like

Ocho, the more he talks, the worse it gets. And I understand as a quarterback, Ocho, you got to have that pressure. Normally it's on Wednesday or Thursday. Yeah. Some quarterback, some of them have it on Thursday, some of them have it on Wednesday. So he has to talk. He's the starting quarterback. Boy,

he's not doing himself any favor. Shouldn't he have some type of training and what to say? He should have had the training already. He went to Alabama. Alabama, make sure you get all that. Hey, look, you got you got to cut out the excuses, man, and have some accountability at the At the end of the day.

That's what it comes down to. That's it. That's tough. Just say you got to play better, man. That's, ta-da. That's it. Just say you got to play better.

And stop, you know, dancing around and coming up with all these excuses. He just, I mean, like I said, the more he talks, the worse it gets. He threw his teammates under the bus. And the thing was he threw him under the bus after he had one of his worst games of the year. if you can believe that

because all of ain't none of them been really good and then he follows that up with another stinker yeah yeah so back to back excuse me

back to back week three interception games and that's what we're supposed to follow he got he got 10 on the season so far huh I think so I'm assuming he would be leading the NFL and interceptions no I think Gino got that one

oh shit I said hey I think Gino got that on a lot I seen I seen I see him what coach was like, I hope he don't get 10. He might. Yeah. Oh, Tua and,

uh, Gino are tied. How many? Both of them got 10. Damn. Damn. I just, at some point in time,

you know, you just have to be like, you know what? You got to do the presser because you're the starting quarterback. But they're going to be a time, mocho. If he keep playing like this,

guess what, he won't have to do it. yours or Zach Wilson will be doing the presser. Right. Damn, man. Because they can't, because you can't, I understand he makes a lot of money. Right.

But you got 52 other guys in that locker room, Ocho, that you have an account for now. Yeah. And they see he's not playing well. Mm-mm. And it's a lot easier when you're not playing well, and we don't like you because you already did some slick-ish. Yeah.

You know what I'm saying, Ocho? Yeah. There's only one way to overcome this. And I mean, for, for two a sake, and that's what you play. Now, they might not look at you the same as a teammate anymore. But if you continue to play bad, it's going to get even worse. I don't see how he played better, Ocho. It's not, Ocho, if you look at this team, I mean, they needed Tyreek to open things up.

Tyreek could take the top off. It gave everybody else an opportunity to work up underneath. Right. So there was so much space. It's kind of like you on the court with Steph Curry. They're going to be a lot of space because they're going to be trying to crowd him. Right.

Well, with no step on the court, who I, why I need the crowd? I can condense it. Now, I ain't got to worry about nobody. Right, right. Same thing with no Tyree. I'm not nearly as worried about Waddle as I once was. Right.

And then who else I got? They don't have a very good offensive line. Tour is not fast. Hell, if I shut down the run, where are he going? If I play cup of five, Ocho, if I play two, man, what you are going? Who are he out running? And like you said, he already said, he's not the tallest guy. And the fact that he's not a dual threat, Joe, you know,

he has to be that much better. He'll do a threat. He'll live to throw a pick or fumble it. So he'll do a threat. Oh, I don't you. You mean running and passing the football. Okay, I thought you meant drool. Hey, he can get better, man.

It's still early in the season. All that. I don't, but how many, how many times that he's been sacked? I don't know if his offensive line is that good. And he ain't much better. Oh, it looked like one time they just let the, they let the defense just come in and say, yeah, since you snitching.

Hey, they act like that in football, huh? Yeah. You doing all this talking to the media. Yeah, we're going to let these pass rushes get right on up in there. Well, he don't got bench, so he might have more. How many times did they sack yours once he came in the game? Because they put them on his head, too. Well, he's still the starter, though, ain't he?

Yeah. I don't know for how much longer, Joe, but he is. Oh, so they put him back in this week? They haven't said that, well, he did say. He said he's the starter, and his expectation is he doesn't throw 10 picks. Oh, yeah. I mean, well, hell, he's making 50 men a year. He ain't got no choice but to start.

Hello. yeah right so i mean there are a lot of quarterbacks that have been sacked more than tua that don't turn the ball over like tua so you can't you can't turn the ball over and take a bunch of sacks in fact who we got this who we got because a lot of times don't you're saying okay he's taking sacks to avoid turnovers right you turning the ball over still it's just I think for me it's just going to be a situation

he got to go, Ocho. Hey, we we, damn, we got the, we got the Falcons this week. Oh, yeah,

y'all, what you call about to, what you call, uh, uh, bejean about to go for like, uh, 150 in Atlanta?

Uh, yes, in Atlanta. Hey, hey, they're, they're nice here in Atlanta, what?

Oh, they on that turn. They got something. And then it looked like we got the Ravens right after that and the show, week, Thursday night. Lamar, be back, won't he?

Yep. He was practicing. Yeah. Oh, Joe, let me know what you think about this. Tyreek Hill is weighing its option after suffering a season-ending injury last month. He said on the set podcast that he's undecided about whether to retire or continue playing. Right now, I'm happy being with my kids. I'm happy with the career I've had, and I love playing football.

I love it. But it, man, but it takes a lot, man, to be the best and to stay at the top. And I'm at the point now where I need to have a conversation with my mom, family, and everybody. Like I said, wherever my mind is at the time, the decision to be made. But I just right now feel like I haven't had time to just live in the moment. I just be in the moment with my family. He's not retiring. He's not retiring.

He's going through. He's going through the withdrawals of not being able to play right now. You can't run. You hobbles. You're injured right now. You got to rehab. Once he gets back, in form, however long that takes, the thought of retiring is far going. He has too much football left to play.

Yeah. He had too much football left to play. Not only does he have too much football left to play, there's a new journey. There's a new change. There's a change of scenery waiting on him. I'm not sure where it may be. I'm sure it will be a place that can. use his skill set and even if he's not as fast he once was he'll still be fast in everybody

else you're absolutely right everything that you said is true yeah yeah that's the damn man i got hurt i mean it's a serious injury he dislocated his knee and he tore ligaments yeah he'll be back though yeah for sure and the exciting part for tyreek hill is i know i'm coming back right I got to get my got to whip myself back in the shape get back get back close to 100% as I can and get ready to contribute to a new team where that is I don't know that's the exciting part for me

how much money Tyree got guaranteed next year it was 54 50 something that's what's cap number I'm talking about how much does he have guaranteed okay Because this is the first year of a three-year, $90 million deal, wasn't it? First is maybe the second year, I think, I thought.

This was, so he had one more year left? Wow. where they won't owe him any more money, huh? Oh, okay. Yeah. Mm-hmm. Oh, yeah. But we knew, look, I knew one way or another.

He wasn't going to be there. Either he's going to get traded or he's going to be cut. Yeah. I know he wasn't going to be. there after this year. Yeah, I think if he hadn't got hurt, he'd be traded by the deadline. Correct.

He'd traded by the deadline. Mm-hmm. I think the thing is, in a situation like this, you know, because it's going to take him a little extra time because he had a dislocation and he told a couple of, I think he tore two ligaments

in his knee, ACL and yeah, I mean, he reckoned it pretty good. Yeah. So that happened in October, November, December, January, February, March, April, May, June, eight months, July, August. I could come back in 12, 10, 11 months. 10, 11, 23, October. Yeah, they said he tore multiple ligaments and, and there's a, obviously.

He'll be ready by the start of the season. Ocho, he tore multiple ligaments and he dislocated the knee. I think he'll be ready, huh? And you got to understand, Ocho, that's a lot of planting and cutting. That's a lot of speed. Think about when you run a comeback

at that kind of speed. Yeah. That thing got to be solid. Yeah. Not only does that have to be solid, up here got to be solid too. Yes, absolutely. Yeah.

Uh-oh. Ocho, Bengals linebacker and team captain, Logan Wilson, has requested a trade. The six-year player has started all seven of his appearances this season. However, the team captain has seen his role reduced over the course of season. Rookies, Barrett Carter and Demetrius Knight Jr. have received the bulk of the defensive snaps this season. Ocho, would it be a mistake for them to trade a veteran player, the captain of the defense, and they're already struggling.

What's going on, Ocho? Absolutely not. It would not, it would not be wrong. I'm not sure you probably don't watch the Bengals the way I watch them. Anybody in the chat that watches the Bengals on defense, even though we're not playing up to par, obviously, offense being our identity, if you watch Demetri's night,

if you watch Demetri's night, well, he pop out on film. You hit me? Oh, that's the rookie they got from South Carolina, right? Man, listen. He went 44. Yeah, I think that's him. He went 44 for a reason. look um young bull is special um he's special when you watch with him hey you i'm listen i'm at the

game right i'm at the game and you know you're watching everybody and all of a sudden boom flying out of nowhere boom flying out of nowhere i'm watching on tv man who in the hell is this there's a reason why his role has been reduced there's a reason why you know and asking for a trade is i mean that that's that's that's that's that's the easy way you're out, but listen, if you can't get it done in Cincinnati, where else you're going to get it done at? Think about that. He said, well, I'm trying to play, Ocho.

I ain't trying to be on no bench. I can't get no stats on the beach. You're not listening to me, huh? If you can't get it done in Cincinnati, where we're not that good, where else you're going to go and get it done at? I mean, hello? The call is coming from inside the house.

For sure. You know, so, I mean, listen, I love Logan Wilson. I wish him the best. But those that are in front of you where your role has been reduced are really good. They ain't no slouches despite being, but that young, man, listen, I'm telling you, if you get a chance to watch the Bengals this Sunday when we play the Jets, watch the Meecham. Oh, man, I ain't watching y'all play no Jets.

Why not? Oh, you want, oh, so y'all can beat up on somebody. You want me to watch that. Oh, no, no, no, no, no, no. We beat up on the Steelers. I ain't say nothing about that. Oh, you're saying something about it. Hey, who y'all got, huh?

We got the Cowboys. 425 or 8.30 game? 425. Yeah, they ain't looking too good for y'all, boy. I don't know, boy. Picket, Piggins might have 300 y'all's altogether. Well, they might get it on Riley Moss. They're going to get it on Sartan.

You know that. So you think Riley Moss will give her 300 yards by itself? They're going to get it on... I know they're not going to get anything on Certain. Okay. All right. Man.

Aaron Gordon had 50 points and they still lost. 17 or 21, 10 or 11 from 3. Wait, 50, 50 who? 50. Yokic had a triple double. Jamar Murray had 25 and they still got beat by the Warriors.

Steph had 42. I know. I was just going to ask you. Steph must have went crazy. 42, Jimmy Butler had 21, Draymond had 13, Kaminga had 14, Al Horford had 13,

Buddy Hill had 11. Oh, I forgot Al Horford was there. Yep. And I'll say, I'm getting out of town. Y'all can't, uh, Boston, we ain't got no chance. Uh-uh. Not at all.

Not without Tatum. No, absolutely not. Oh, Cho, we have some good news for you, though. Me? Take a listen to what Jamar Chase had to say earlier today. Yeah, yeah. Jamar, what's the biggest number of catches you think you could get in a game? 26.

I mean, I left a lot out there. I'm going to be honest. I left a lot out there. So, but I doubt I was really going to get 26, though, but probably like 17, 18. You don't think you can get 20? Yeah. I mean, the sky's the limit at the end of the day. Scott's always a limit.

But it's going to get, it's not going to be easy. I'll tell you that. Like, I don't want. bubbles as five catches, ten catches, you know? Is it on the nerve? Yeah. Do you have something like that in the nerve? No, no, no.

No more goals are up. No more? Super Bowl. That's it. That's it. I like that. He understands. I like that.

He understands they look at receivers that have Super Bowl rings different. I understand. Not only the quarterback is really judged heavily. Right. But, you know, when they throw, when they throw, when they talk about, Jerry, what is the one thing Jerry can have over Randy

what he can have over Tio what he can have over Fitzgerald, Chris Carter, all those guys. What do he have? Rings. Rings, yeah. Yeah.

And so Chase, like, oh, no, yes, I'm going to have a bunch of catches. I'm going to have a bunch of yards considering where I am where my career started. Right. But at the end of the day,

they're going to be looking at me sideways I don't get no jewelry, especially with the quarterback that I got. Yeah. Well, when he's healthy, Yes Thank you

You got to stay healthy, Ocho My goddamn bangles But we're going to be all right, boy We're going to run the table, man We're going to run the table I feel good about that It's bad here In the heat of battle, your squad relies on you.

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