Nightcap - Best of NFL News Part 2: Jaylon Johnson + Woody Marks TALK NFL playoffs with Unc & Ocho, Mike T STEPS DOWN

Episode Date: January 17, 2026

Shannon Sharpe and Chad “Ochocinco” Johnson give you the Best of the NFL, reacting to several major league-shaking storylines. Unc and Ocho react to longtime Pittsburgh Steelers head coach Mike Tomlin stepping down. Plus, Bears Cornerback, Jaylon Johnson and Texans Running Back, Woody Marks, join the show to talk playing in the NFL playoffs. Subscribe to Nightcap presented by PrizePicks so you don’t miss out on any new drops! Download the PrizePicks app today and use code SHANNON to get $50 in lineups after you play your first $5 lineup! Visit https://prizepicks.onelink.me/LME0/NI... 00:00 - Bears CB, Jaylon Johnson14:10 - Texans RB, Woody Marks joins the show23:26 - Liam Cohen has wholesome exchange with reporter34:10 - Mike Tomlin steps down (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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Hey, Cardiff, CB1. JJ, Jaila Johnson. Jay, how you doing, bro? What's up, man? Good to see y'all again. Good to see. Hey, when you come on nightcap, you normally have to get the comeback later this season because you had a pro-bo all-pro season or your team's.

in the playoff. That's just the way it pans out. No doubt. 100%. So that game is not going the way you want it. They're going up and down the field. Jordan Love, three touchdowns in the first half, 21 to 3. I mean, so what's going to, so walkers through the locker room at halftime, what did Ben Johnson say, what was some of the leaders saying,

and then the start of that fourth quarter, what was the sideline like? Honestly, it was, it was honestly a crazy turning, events like we of course come out we turned up we ready to go and then we go down 21-3 and it's like man everybody shut the hell up ain't no more talking ain't no no no no wrong yeah now ain't no more hurrah and i just remember uh kevin byer the whole time he was like man talking ain't going to help us execute like we need to stop talking and doing all this and settle in and then really just at halftime that was the biggest thing like it can't get no worse than this like i mean at the

end of day it's it's 213 almost 21 blow but i think too like coach showed us a video like a whole breakdown during the, during camp of the Falcons and Patriots game when they went up 283 and all that and just shows like the composure. Yeah, he showed that to us early. So just like talking to Joe Tuny telling him, because he was on the winning side of it and then Jared was on the losing side of it. So having both an NBA their perspectives on it and then it really just, he brought it back up like, this is that moment.

Like, think back to the conversation that we had and what it took for for them to get back in two and one possession at a time, defense gets stopped, offense, start putting points on the board. And that was really it. So when we came out on defense, it was like, man, we got to get stopped. We figured if they didn't score no more, then we'll win the game. So that's all we were focused on really on defense, just executing and playing more aggressive. Hey, what has it been like that entire culture has shifted because of one man?

Obviously, having a quarterback like Caleb Williams, and you get someone, a coach, a player-friendly coach, as I like to call it, in Ben Johnson and coming to the area. Is he the sole reason for the reason you guys? are having the kind of success you guys are having? I mean, it's hard to say the sole reason. I think, for one, just the timing. I would say of everything. The only person get credit for that is God, of course. But I think really just the timing of when Ben got here,

when Caleb got here, when a lot of these pieces all got here. I think it would be different if he got here three, four years ago. The team looked different. Situation is different. But I'll definitely say his leadership, his competitiveness has definitely changed the trajectory of how we looked at approaching games. And again, too, I mean, you can be a good leader or you want, but you're dialing up on offense as well.

And he's always been doing that. I think just the way he controls the game, even going into that game, he's like, if we win it, we want to receive, we want to control the tempo, control the ball. And it's like, no, man, I ain't never heard nobody said. It's like, oh, we want the people to go out there, set the tone. It's like, no, let us get the ball, let us control the tempo, let it take some of the time off and things like that. So he's definitely ahead of it.

He's an offensive-minded coach. He wants to attack. He's an offensive-minded coach. He wants to attack. He's like, oh, they think they got a defense. No doubt. We want the ball. We're going to show them.

We're going to take this ball and go right down to their field. There was a throw. And I know you saw it on the sideline. That one that Caleb, that's your season. If you don't make that, that's fourth and 11. If you don't get that, JJ, your season's over. He falls. He's rolling to his left.

He backs and stumbles and throws a down. It throws a dime for 15 when you saw that. He's more accurate going that way. That's the crazy part. Like it's backwards as it sounds, it's like, you don't even want to flush him to his leg because he can still get it off accurate. But when he threw it, it was just like, man, what the?

Ooh, okay. It was just like, one of those was like, you think like, man, it's over. He's out here doing the crazy stuff and it works. So I think, I can't even say it works. That's just part of his game. Like at this point, it's not even something that you can just say is that just happens or a magical deanie is like no he's like he's legit at that and he does it

in practice and clearly been doing this forever so it's just it's just really who he is and it's funny because I think it was yesterday came in I've seen him it might have been a day I've seen him and say hey man sometimes I got a looking man in the eye and just say say good job you doing a heck of a job because some of the stuff he does is it's crazy that's not something you'll see every day I mean I'm looking at you guys you guys were down with a less than two minutes to go to the Raiders 24-19 win that game. You're down to, you're down to the, you're down to the, you're down to the bingles with 19 seconds. You win that game. You're down against the Vikings with four seconds. You win that

game. Second and goal, 2716, Green Bay, 418 on the clock, and you win that game. How do you guys been able to maintain your composure when all seems lost? Like, damn, how we find ourselves in that situation? And somehow, you guys make a play on D. Fish, you get a stop, and then when you turn the ball back over to Caleb in that offense, they cash it in. I think execution brings confidence, and I think at the end of the day for us, we've been able to execute it down a little stretch over and over. And with that, you naturally have confidence where it's like,

all we got to do is give my opportunity to close the game out or put it in our hands to close the game out. I think that's really the mentality and the mindset. As long as there's time on a clock, we got a way to win. So, I mean, it's just one of those things where it's switched force. I mean, for a long time, it's been the exact, obviously, where we find ways to lose the damn game. So I think for us in this building and this culture

and what we have now, we find ways to win. There's a viral video going on where you're kneeling down, tricking on Christian Wynlew on the final play of the game. Walk us through that moment. What was going, what were you saying to him and what made you do that? Yeah, I mean, of course, everybody's seen the prayer video when I prayed for him when he injured his knee.

But really, I think for me, it was just really going back in And I don't even say checking on him, but just telling him, like, way to push through, way to battle back and come back from what he's, what he's injured and all that. And, of course, just competitive. I mean, he's still fast and still run, still blazing. I think it's just a blessing to just see him out there. So, I mean, of course, after the second game and we don't, or second and third game, we don't have to see each other no more. Definitely want to take that time and tell him, like, no, like, I'm proud of you and how you bounce back. And I feel like that was something I don't want to say old him, but felt like it's something I had in my heart to do.

A lot of been made about being. in the locker room saying after Packers after the win. Yeah. I mean, and then you see him. I mean, he almost like, I mean, he ran up to have. You know, normally the coaches they run up there. They shake each other hand.

They lead in, good luck. Hey, wish you the best. Man, Ben read that thing like this here. Like, hey, like he stole the man TV earlier that day and they didn't want the man to slicking me in the line. Yeah. I mean, honestly, it's one of those things where it's like, it's good to see that competitor.

I feel like people pick and choose when they want people to be competitive and they want the coach to be aggressive and competitive. And then when he shows it, it's all he's this, he's that. It's like either you want the competitiveness or you don't. I mean, at the end of day, too, it's a rivalry. Coaches have hidden rivalries. I mean, they've been competing for a long time against each other. I mean, the end of the day, it is what it is.

He's embracing that Chicago nature too at the end of the day. Yeah. Hey, you guys obviously had the Rams coming up and obviously not wanting to give a game plan away. But I think what do you guys think that he's defensively? to be able not to stop, but to contain Devonty Adams, Pugna Coole, and Matt Stafford and those boys offensively. I think guys like me got to strap up.

I think it's kind of just as simple as that. Because, I mean, it's not so much too high you can play. They're going to run the ball. So, I mean, it's not like you can just hide and try to just do all these things. I mean, at the end of the day, guys who get paid to cover or go out there and cover. And, shoot, the rush got to hit home as well.

So, I mean, hopefully there's some, we don't have some. I mean, it's Monday. So, I mean, we got some time to figure out how we're going to execute it. But I know, especially for me, this is a pride game. I go into this game more than more than excited, more than willing and able to go handle whatever needs to get handles. I mean, for myself, I'm just preparing myself for that.

But I know everybody on the back end, we all got to, we all have to step up and really take pride in this game. Because, I mean, it's going to go through, it's going to go through Puka, it's going to go through Devante. And the big boys up front got to handle the running back and the quarterback. So that's really how I'm looking at it. Yeah, because you, I mean, you look at it. that's like, well, it ain't know like, well, I follow this guy, you follow that guy, because both of the guys can.

Hey, you got a lot of never go against whoever comes to. And the other guy that made the touchdown. So, hey, either one of these guys, you know can go off on a given. And Pook is so physical. People don't realize how big Pooka is. People think because he lines up in the slot, Jay, is that he a small guy? No, Pooka big as hell.

He got them Polynesian bones. Yeah. Pooka be out there with no tape. Pook will be out there just, just, just, just boat rolling. It is funny because for me, I went to school with his brother Samson, so I, like, know the family,

been around him, talked to him at the Pro Bowl, and it's like, if you knew his family, you'll know how, like, nice he is. And, like, it's almost true. He has plenty of, like, athletic family members. They all play basketball, super crazy athletic. And it's like, for him to be the youngest

are doing what he's doing, it's really no surprise to me because, I mean, we were trying to get him at Utah. Yeah. Look, you dealt with a core muscle injury. I think they call it a sports hernia. Is that what you, because you didn't have That's not what I had.

That's not what you have. So what did you have? No, I had tour, so initially I tore my like adductor. So it's like with all those things kind of connected from the adductor going into the pelvic and then the core going into the pelvic. Once you kind of tear one, you're kind of more likely going to tear the other one.

So in Detroit, I end up tearing pretty much the core part of that connection. And then naturally I had some damage leaking to my other side. side. So I really got both sides repaired, growing, and core. Wow. So you good now, though, huh? Yeah. I mean, as far as my surgeon injury go, but it's like the rehab is almost never ended almost for about a year because, I mean, all the scar tissue builds up and be in the position that I'm in, sliding, moving ladder. Yeah, you got a, hey, you got to break it all right. You even tear in your, but, hey.

So it's been, it's been tough on me, honestly, because it's like when you know you can't move how you normally move, you start overcompensit. say now your mind is messed up, but now you're like, man, do I got it? Like, what I'm in my? So now it's like, for me, that's really what I was fighting, like the first three, four weeks. I mean, being in pain, taking damn numbing shots

and for the games to be able to go. I mean, it's really been a lot. I've been. Hey, it's, no, it's been some stuff. And people, oh, man, jail is not healthy. You damn right, I'm not all the way healthy. But I think really just for me just continuing to just continue to to attack the rehab.

I just got off the massage table a few hours ago. So just trying to just continue to get myself the best chance to win. But I'm looking forward to a full. off season and get really healthy. But you know, Jay. Hold on. Hold on. Go ahead, Joe.

Hey, listen, if you talk about getting healthy in the off season, you might. I know. I know where to go for a look. Where? Where? To you. I'm calling you up. Hey, no doubt.

No doubt. There you go. I got you. I got you. Listen, on the field, off the field, but I'm also, I have a meal plan that you can have me next year as your nutritionist. I had you right. I'm already on it.

I just had me and McMurter, um, Mick Muffin the other day. See, that's what. I'm trying to tell you. I'll bring it to the facility. Ask the guys about me. I bring McDonald's Chick-fil-A breakfast every Saturday. You see? You see why he's so great at what he do?

Huh? I've been taking notes. For sure, for sure. You got to get to people what they want. It ain't about a little mold, boy. See, he's eating the chicken bread, and he was eating the, you know, grill stuff. He wouldn't have had that. Oh, that.

No, but that's the part that people don't see is that what an athlete does just to be able to go. out there. Yeah. And then when you don't put up the numbers, you bet when you don't put up the numbers or you're not playing like you're supposed to play,

they, the first thing they hollered, oh, he washed. Bro, the man had surgery. He just came back. He's having to take injections just to get his ass out there. But you know what?

All they see is one with Johnson in the back of that jersey. That's it. They don't care how you got there. You could have drove a bulldozer to get to the game. You're there now. Yeah, nah.

And it's funny because It's like, that's what I'm glad, like, I'm not on social media because, like, I don't see it. I just kind of hear from my people that are on it, but it's just like, for me, it's like, I know what I'm going through. And it's like, realistically, I shouldn't even have came back when I came back. Like, I took every measure to try to push my body, push myself. And it's like, oh, y'all see it. Oh, yeah, Jaylon's not healthy.

It's like, yeah, but Jason's also still giving the team the best chance to win, like, regardless of me being healthy or not. But, I mean, for me, I ain't worried about it. At the end of the day, I know what I can do. and I know I'm getting better, and you can see it on the tape. So, I mean, at the end of the day, that's all I can ask for. Well, we're glad you're back, man. Hopefully you get healthy, but hopefully the off-season you get you get to push that back a little bit.

Yeah, yeah, no, I ain't going home. You got some big french to fry right now. Yeah, I ain't going home right now. So, man, congratulations on the unbelievable season. Glad you got an opportunity to come back. Stay healthy. Go out there, hey. No, doubt.

You one step closer. No doubt. One step closer. Man, congratulations. Hey, when y'all take care of that, to get that win on Sunday, come to holl at us. I'll be back, trust me.

All right, appreciate it. All right. I'll be easy. Jalen Johnson, quarterback, Chicago Bears. They play Sunday. Take on the Los Angeles Rams. A new year doesn't mean erasing who you were.

It means honoring what you've survived and choosing how you want to grow. It means giving ourselves permission to feel what we've been holding and knowing that it's okay. to ask for help. I'm Mike Dolorotcha, host of sacred lessons. This podcast is a space for men to talk openly about mental health, grief, relationships, and the patterns we inherit, but don't have to repeat. Here, we slow down, we listen, we learn how vulnerability becomes strength and how healing happens in community, not in isolation. If you're ready to let go of what no longer serves you,

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Who's your MVP right now then? Drake May up there, Josh Allen up there still. Oh, my boy, Matthew Stafford. Where did his own Knicks at? He ain't too far behind. He did all this talk about. But Matthew Stafford is doing statistically. bro, it's crazy.

Bro, you know I ain't no Josh Allen fan, but Matthew Stafford got better weapon. Caleb Williams. Hey, he should be in that conversation. In what conversation? He should be in it.

Listen to Broken Play with Nav Green from the Black Effect Podcast Network on the Iheart Radio app. Apple Podcasts or whatever you get your podcast. He had a breakout performance in the Houston 30 to 6th win over the Steelers, a FC Wild Card round, a career best 19 carries,

112 yards, Harry is the outstanding running back from the Houston Texans, Woody Marks. Woody, how you doing, bro? What's up, Woody? You muted. I'm doing good. What's up? Okay.

We're good. ISO, how you doing, bro? You good? Yeah, I'm good. She's living. Talk to us about that performance. You guys, you, your best game of your career, and you had it on one of the biggest state,

stages, the NFL, the wild card game, you're in Pittsburgh, you know, they do a really good job against the run. Why were you guys able to have such success running the football that night? Everybody started Wednesday. I knew it was going to have a big game. Just Wednesday practice when we first went out there. Those guys were linking up and just moving people off the ball. And then it came on to Thursday. I was like, all right, it's carrying on. Then Friday, it's carrying on. Then he was like, I would run a bad coach. He was like, yeah, we're going to have a good night. and the ball. It just came to life right there.

It seemed like you guys wore them down. They had D'Amico on the sideline. He was talking about, that's what I'm talking about. Where I'm out? Where I'm down? And you guys seemed, because that last touchdown, you broke, like, cell-made tackle. They were just like, well, the hell with it.

It's over. You broke their will. You broke their spirit. Yeah, for sure. We was wearing them down. You kind of heard them talking on the back end. Saying like, man, we running, we running straight at your face. That's what Nick Chubb told us we got to do.

So we come and straight at your face. They play bullyball. We're going to play bullyball too. Hey, hey, Woody. You from the A-TL? Hey, what's up, bro? Hey, hey, tell me something, what's the biggest changes from the regular season to the postseason that you notice in this year?

Descrut, Chubb. You got to be locked there. no plays off. Every play matter. I feel like extra points to kick off what you put in a landmark at. Everything matters. Yeah. What high school do you go to in Atlanta?

Claver, Atlanta. Oh, okay. Okay. Christian Kirk also had 144 receiving yards. I mean, you guys have your best day on the biggest stage when it's needed the most. I mean, could you, I mean, because your offense struggled a little bit early on. You had three turnovers.

Your defense kept, didn't bend, and it didn't get, getting concede anything. But you guys got it together. What was it about that week of practice that let you know that you guys had what it took to go on the road and get a very tough, hard fought victory? But you made it look convincing. Yeah, we didn't replay plays. I think we went. That was out fastest on Fridays, not replay plays.

So everybody was locked in. So I knew I knew it was going to have a great game. Yeah. Hey, what is like playing for DeMarco, Woody, considering, you know, him being a former player. And what's that, what's that been like? Oh, it's kind of, it's good. Just seeing him, he'd be over there on the defense side, playing linebacker when we're on scout team. So we see how physically he was.

He tried to, he tried to break it. Like, you don't got no pads, so you better move by the way. Hey, what do you tell him to, hey, D'Bico, bro, if I'd have been playing, playing when you had been playing out of range. Yes, it's true. Look, you got a very tough opponent. You got the New England Patriots and everybody knows what the Patriots represent. Even though Tom Brady is not there.

Mike Brable played a number of years with them. He brings that old school coaching. Kind of like you guys, very physical in the run game. Play outstanding defense. Do not turn the ball over. Do not let them have big plays. And the weather prediction is indicating that it might be snow. You guys play indoors.

You guys play indoors. They play indoors. You play in Jacksonville. It's really nice and sunny. And Tennessee, I don't know when you went to Tennessee. Sometimes Tennessee, it does get cold in Nashville. But this is what you, you're one step away from being in the AFC championship game. What is your thought process?

What is Domeco today with your first day of practice, if I'm not mistaken? So, no, yesterday was your first day of practice. What has been D'Amico's message? We're taking to play Houston ball. We're a tough team. No matter of the condition, when they place that ball down, we're going to get the rocking. That's what we live by. Offense, defense, special team.

We all don't get the rocket when they place that ball down. We play inside, but we football players. We don't play it in the rain before. We don't play it in the snow before. Probably not football, but we don't been outside in there snow, just playing around as kids. We know the feeling up. When we get there, I will be used to it. You play for Cliff Kingsbury at UFC.

D'Amico. What's the biggest difference between D'Amico and Cliff? I was with Link most of the time. It's really not a difference. Link kind of did the same thing. Be over there on a scout team. Linker... Yeah, Link and Riley.

Linker Riley. Yeah, he was more of an offensive-minded guy. Coach D'Amico, he might be. more of a defensive guy, so you kind of see the difference in between that. But both of them want to run the ball. Just hearing him say, we want to run a ball. You got to run a ball. That's

what people have been preaching to me. You got to run a ball in the playoffs. Yeah. Oh, yeah, especially under them conditions. Y'all might be under, you know, this week. Yeah. And you're going to have your lunch pair ready to go, man. Let's have the big boy pads on.

Let me ask you this. Houston. Man, what's it like living in to Woody. Uh-oh. What do I live with you? Woody, come on that. Come on, Woody. Hey, Woody, we're going to come down there.

Hang out, Woody. But tell us what it's like... All it's about, um... You've been in Atlanta before. It's about the same. I live with Atlanta. I said that, man. I say it's like a bigger Atlanta.

It's a bigger Atlanta. About the same thing going on. You got good food. Mm-hmm. Everything. What else? What else? Everything you got in Atlanta, you got out here.

I don't know. I think they got about a little bit more and used it on Woody. I ain't lied to you now. Yeah, they probably got a little bit more for me. Yeah, a little bit. Yeah, a little bit. Yeah.

Hey, you got to spread out there because of me, Ocho and Joe, we need to come out there. We need to talk about. I got you. For sure. All right. Got you.

That's a little. That's what I'm talking about, Woody. That's my homeboy, y'all. That's my homeboy for the crib. Go, you know, homeboys league up. We go, hey, we go out, you know, grab a couple of drink. That's all, you know.

We go Uber. Everywhere we go, we don't need to have no ride. Just Uber. Yeah. It's going to be good. Black truck. Huh? Black truck.

Black truck. He's a black truck. Okay. Okay. I'm all for that. I'm all for that. Huh? It's on you, though.

Oh, I got, I got, I got, I got, I got, I got, I got to cover that. Yeah. What a hospital. I got you out of trouble. Damn. I got you to crib. Okay. You know what?

That's good enough. That's all I do. Vegas is all I need. Vegas can't be choosing. You know what, Woody? We appreciate that. We go ahead of the black car. We'll do that.

Hey, man, congratulations, man. Great work on Monday night, man. Carry it over. You guys look good. Tell D'Amico, I said, what's up, man. Wish you the best of luck, over the money. Good luck, bro. Yes, sir.

Woody Marched, Outstanding Young Running Back for the Houston, Texas. Had a break-out game. 19 carries 112 yards. One touchdown. He ran extremely hard all night. long and at the end it was that running physical style that the Houston, Texans offensive line and running backs played with that finally wore down in the levy burst.

And when he wrote that long, that touchdown run, you could see that was the Pittsburgh Steelers. You saw something you hadn't seen from a Steelers defense in a very long time. They hung their heads because they know they had thoroughly gotten their ass kicked that night. And listen. That run game and their defense, that's what kept a minute. You know, y'all ran so hard.

Hey, Woody, we're going to get you out on this, though. But y'all, you ran so hard, man. Mike Thomas stepped down the next day. He said, man, I don't want no more this. That man, you saw that young man come in there and the other dude did that. The defense beat us like that. Two-t juices. 22.

But appreciate that, Woody, man. Enjoy it. Enjoy this time, man. Hey, you got something special going. Keep it going. For sure. Yes, sir. Appreciate you, bro.

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favorite shows. This show contains information subject to, but not limited to personal takes, rumors, not so accurate stats, and plenty more. What's up, man? This is your boy, Nav Green, from the Broken Play Podcast. Look, it's the end of the season, the playoffs are here. But guess what? It ain't the end of your season. You can always tune in with Broken Play Podcast with Nav Green on the Black Effect Podcast Network.

Not a team who ain't going to the playoffs. The Chief. Oh, it's a rap. It's time to rebuild. Who's your MVP right now, then? Drake May up there, Josh Allen up there still. Oh, my boy, Matthew Stafford. Where did his Bull Knicks at?

He ain't too far behind. He did all this talk about. What Matthew Stafford is doing statistically, bro, is crazy. Bro, you know I ain't no Josh Allen fan, but Matthew Stafford got better weapon. Caleb Williams. Hey, he should be in that conversation. In what conversation?

He should be in it. Listen to Broken Play with Nav Green from the Black Effect Podcast Network on the IHeart Radio app. Apple Podcast or whatever you get your. podcast. Oh, Joe, there's a viral video going around about a reporter having words of encouragement from Leon Cohen following the Jacks playoff loss. Let's take a listen to what the video talks about. How you doing today? Lynn Jones, Jacksonville, Free Press News. I just want to tell you, congratulations on your success, young man. You hold your head up, all right? You guys have

had a most magnificent season. He did a great job out there today. So you just hold your head up, okay? And ladies and gentlemen, Duval, you're the one, all right? You keep it going. We got a of the season, okay? I appreciate it. Take care and much continued success to you and the entire team. Thank you, ma'am. Well, I made you see the video

is very heartwarming. Others have called it out. Now, Lynn Jones said that she's under criticism because she's black. I'm a member of the Black Press. I'm the editor of the Jacksonville Free Press in one of the more than 230 African American papers support

the Black Press. Oh, Joe. Talk to me, on? Because you're better, because you're somewhat in that space and understand when it come to journalism, what you can and what you can do, what's professional, what's not professional. And for me, on the outside looking in, being that I'm not really in that space, being a player, not being a coach, but being a player and hearing words

like that coming from someone who is supposed to be a journalist and ask questions on maybe why did you lose, what didn't go right, stuff like that, and hearing something different for a change, to me, it was refreshing. It's a question to hear. I'm not used to it. That is my first time ever hearing someone approach. Probably the first time. Yeah, my first time hearing something like that.

Oh, it is? So I would love to hear your thoughts on what she did. Normally media members are supposed to be independent. Yes. They're not supposed to support or criticize. I mean, you know, you could criticize the plays here, the plays that, but it's not like she's a columnist. A columnist is different than a beat reporter. So from on one hand, yes.

Yes. That is very out of the ordinary for them for a reporter to say, you keep your head up. Yes, sir. You did a good job. We're proud of you, whatever all she's saying, there's next year. Normally reporters, coach, obviously, it was a tough law for the season. But what did you think, if you could do it over again, what would you like to have over? What would play, you know, things of that nature. So we don't normally, I think a better word is that reporters are supposed to lack empathy. They're not supposed to show compassion.

In that moment, she can see that his head was down. She's probably covered every, she's probably been, every press conference this man has had since he's been the head coach of the Jags. Yes, sir. She can see he was hurting. She would see he was down. The empathy that she showed in that moment. most journalists like I understand it's nice

but she can't she's not supposed to do that she's supposed to be Switzerland she's supposed to be neutral right so she's not supposed to be sad she's not supposed to be excited she's not supposed to be disappointed

she's not supposed to be angry she's supposed to just ask questions and write do her job basically matter of fact for her she she is the outlet for what the fans want to hear.

She's supposed to ask the question to the head coach in that moment. So the fans get the answers on why things then go the way they think it should have. That is correct. Yeah. Listen, I understand both sides. Obviously, the notion that it was unprofessional, I don't like that part of it because to me it was refreshing to hear a reporter actually have empathy for head coach in that situation with all the work that they put in, the success that they had this season

in seeing that coach is obviously distraught. you know, in that moment. So giving him that praise in that moment, I don't see anything wrong with it, but I can see those that are journalists, that are colonists, that are in that space and do their job

in a certain manner in a certain way and finally seeing someone do it a little bit differently than what they're not used to hearing or seeing, I can see why they're upset. Yeah, yeah. I'm not surprised that she got the criticism that she got. I knew that was coming. I knew that was coming because like you said, like I said,

journalists are not supposed to have basically any emotion. You're just asking. You're just asking questions because you are the link between the fan and the coach. Right. You're asking questions that you'd think the fans would want, that would want answers to it, deserve answers to. So you're not supposed if someone's down. You're not supposed to show compassion.

Somebody's feeling so too good. you're not supposed to try and bring them down, you're just, you're there, you're just to ask questions. Right. But like you said, it is, it is, it is, it was different. Yeah. And I think, I wish personally, more people had empathy. I don't think we have enough empathy.

No, absolutely not. I don't think we have enough compassion. Right. Especially in those spaces. Especially in those spaces. I'm curious what the chat would think. I, chat, I would love to hear your thoughts, you know, on, on her, you know, taking a different approach as opposed to asking questions, but giving coach grace, you know, for the work he had done

and telling him to keep his head up. I'm just curious to hear what you guys may think as well. Well, I think the thing is, I think for the most part, the chat is going to like, most people are level-headed and they, they, it's kind of like, oh, Joe, I look at it like this. When somebody else has surgery, it's minor. when you have surgery is major. So people don't, as long as if I get empathy, I'm cool with no one else getting empathy. Right.

Or compassion. And I think the thing is that, you know, we've all been there and we needed to pick me up. And I think in that space, as a journalist, that's one of the things that you're talking journalism. You're not supposed to feel one way or another. Or you're supposed to suppress those and not let people know.

Do I think journalists have a liking to a certain player? Sure. Do I think journalists have a like into certain coaches? Sure. Do I think journalists have a certain dislike to certain players and coaches? Absolutely. Yes. At the end of the day, a journalist is a human being.

You might be, you might supposed to be able to contain your emotions. That doesn't mean your absence of them. And I think that's the biggest thing is that people think, okay, you're this. no, I still have emotions. I still have feelings. I still have empathy. I still feel sympathy. I still have compassion.

I still have, you know, I get angry or get upset or whatever the term that you want to use. At the end of the day, no matter what my occupation is, what my title is, no matter how much money, at the end of the day, when you, if I got $700 billion, if you got Elon Musk money, Elon Musk is still a man. He's still maybe the same thing that triggers that makes him. get upset doesn't make you get upset. Maybe it's the same thing that what makes him happy doesn't make you happy. But he still has emotions. Humans are not robots.

They're not devoid of feelings. But I thought it was it was a it was refreshing to hear her say that. But I knew she was going to catch some criticism for forcing in that space. Now, she had

pulled him aside. nobody would ever heard, but she said it in a public forum. Right. And I think, you know, so I'm not surprised of the criticism that she's receiving for what she said. Because I knew it was going to happen, Ocho. I did. I really did. It's over and done when now, I mean, I just, you know, sometimes I do wish we had more

compassionate than that, you know, but some people have more than others. That's just the way it is, Ocho. Yeah. some people just have more compassion than others i mean uh maybe and maybe it's a a game but i always give homeless people money and maybe it's a con maybe they're not homeless at all maybe maybe maybe they got a car parked across the street somewhere and they get in their car and change clothes or go home and shower and put on it and do it and do it all over again but hey it is what it is they'll have to answer for that i won't right that that's that's the way i look at it

That's the way I look at it. So I like Liam Cohen. I think the Jags have a very, very bright, promising future in front of them. Oh, yeah. They got a good team. They got a good team. And the guy they took with the second pick in the draft really didn't give them anything. So when he comes back as a wide receiver, you saw Parker Washington step up.

They got Jacobi Myers. Brian Thomas Jr. Didn't have the type of season that he had the previous year. Yes. So just imagine if he gets back to what he was, Ocho. Man, you know what? And I also look at it. We're now with the way Parker Washington played this year,

Brian Tomp. Jr. is probably going to be there next year. Jacoby's there now. I can see a role where now Travis Hunter playing. Full-time DB and a part-time wide receiver? Yeah, full-time DB, part-time wide receiver. Yep. I think that's probably what it's going to be.

which I thought was the best case scenario for him anyway. But hey, you said that. That'll be something that I'm sure we'll have an opportunity to talk about that. Once they get back into the OTAs again, and once they get to training camp, we'll kind of see where, and I'm sure the reporters that are at practice, there'll be, he's taking this many snaps on the defensive side, this many snaps on the offensive side, and maybe it fluctuates up and down. But I think that's kind of the direction that they're heading in.

I think probably where he gets the majority of. snaps on the defensive side and takes a few snaps here and there where he can help them on the offensive side. Big news of the day, Mike Tomlin after 19 years, steps down for the Pittsburgh Steelers. And because he stepped down,

that means if he signs with another team, they're going to owe the Pittsburgh Steelers' compensation. So it probably was a mutual agreement. Look, you do your thing, we're going to do our thing, we're going to move in a different direction. But to make it look classy, we're not terminating you,

because that's three coaches in 50 years. Chuck Nall took it from 69 to 92. Coach Cowan took it from, what, from 92 until 2006, 2007, and then Mike Tomlin took it over from there. So they've only had three coaches and 50 plus in what since 1969. I mean, so you can't argue the success that the Steelers have had, but I think this was great for both teams because I do not believe the Pittsburgh Steelers were any closer, be it with Mike Tomlin, based on how their roster is a,

assembled the quarterback situation, the offense. I don't think they were close. And having a non-losing season, that's not what you're really going for, Ojo. That's not the standard. It's never been a standing where to come to the Pittsburgh Steelers. They are a championship winning organization. If I'm not mistaken, they have what, five, six, Lombardy's? No, they have six.

So obviously, with the standard, being the standard, you can't be satisfied. We're just saying, okay, at least we don't have a non-lose season. We above 500 this year. We talked about it last night. I think they're going to allow him to walk away. And lo and behold, today, you know, he walks away. It's shocking. I didn't think that.

What did you think of it, Joe? Man, I think Mike Tomlin took a good, hard look at the situation. It was like, you know what? Maybe I should take some time off. But like y'all said, I think it was a mutual decision. And I think he's going to get a coaching job somewhere because there's so many coaching vacancies in the NFL right now. And it's a lot of jobs that look pretty good.

And I think he'll definitely end up coaching again somewhere. Me personally, I think he moves to the front of the list. I think he jumps in front of John Harbaugh. I think so. And you look, now what thought was, you know, Harbaugh has his pick of a pick. Now with Mike Tomlin on the thing, because you're talking about somebody that's been 19 years, that's been to multiple Super Bowl. Yes, he's only won one one.

He's won more division titles than John Harbaugh. So the Giants, that looks appealing. Atlanta, that looks appealing. Tennessee, that looks appealing. I think Mike Tomlin is going to have this choice. Where he wants to go, where does he want to coach? Does he want to take a year off? Does do TV?

Or does he want to jump right back in it? What if it's not even the NFL? What if he takes a college job? What if there's some vacancies in college? I'm not sure if he wants to have to deal with the NIL drama. But still, I think Mike Tomlin is going to be able to go anywhere where this college level, what's the NFL, but he's going to have to go to a situation that's advantageous for him.

But if you don't have a quarterback, you can be right back in purgatory like you were with the damn Steelers. Right. I agree. I don't see college with Mike Thomas. I don't either. I don't see. And first of all, there's no college vacancies open currently.

That hiring cycle, I mean, LSU's gotten filled by land camp in Penn State's been filled. So all the coaching vacancies has been filled. But they have a lot of them in the NFL. Arizona's available. Atlanta's available. Tennessee's available. The Giants are available. I like the Giants.

Hey, now it's been reported that LaFleur and the Packers are trying to work on a long-term deal. You got one more year left and you don't want to be a lame duck. You want some security. And you want to be a lame duck. And you want the team to realize like, okay, because a lot of time, the players will look like, man, you only got one year. We ain't listening to you. Right. So give him some security.

Let him let the team know that he is in charge. Right. But Mike Thomas, this shocked me. And you said it last night that you thought the Steelers would allow him to step away from it. I didn't see that coming. I did not see that. No, I didn't. I mean, honestly, the right one was on the wall.

The right one was on the wall. And the fire Tomliss stuff, you know, the noise, it got louder and louder, Joe. It got loud on louder. Yeah. It got louder and loud. you know, kind of dissatisfied with just mediocrity. That's never been a standard for the Pittsburgh Steelers.

So at some point, understanding, and the problem is, this is the problem. When it had been Rothensburg, you should have already had someone in place. They didn't have a succession plan. They should have it in place. They didn't want to step on his toes, though. Green Bay gave you the blueprint.

Yeah. They had Brett Barbs still playing at elite level. They get Aaron Rogers. They get Aaron Rogers still playing at an elite level. They get Jordan Love. Now you've got a succession plan in place, but you wait where I don't want to step on running. And, bro, you can't worry about his feeling. Because guess what?

He's happy. Man, they ain't draft no quarterback. But look where you. Look where it left you. So because, you know, Ben started to get older, you could tell Ben wasn't the same guy. So you, in order to be a head coach, and this is, I think, one of the reason why coaches don't get close to players. Because at some point in time, on you're going to have to let your best player. You'll have to let him go.

You would have to make very, very tough decisions. And so that's why I'm really surprised that Mike Tomlin decided to step away. But like you said, it was a situation where the noise, it is starting to get louder and louder. I mean, like really, by Mike Tomlin? Yeah. You never heard. I don't think you heard that. I mean, like I said, I was, we didn't have 24 hours.

It's been a while. Of social media, like with Coach Noel or Coach Cowher. I know early on when Coach Cowher didn't have. But Coach Cowell went to the Super Bowl in his third year. Mike Tomlin won the Super Bowl in his second year. Yeah. So he's had success and went back again, I think three years later, ended up losing to the Packers.

But since then, we talked about it last night, guys. Joe, Ocho and I was talking, seven straight losses in the playoffs. Tied with Marvin Lewis for the longest in NFL history. Look, we love Marvin. He was a defensive coordinator when I was in Baltimore, orchestrated a historic defense. He was your head coach.

Yeah. seven straight losses in NFL history, as long as the NFL's been going on, that is a record. That's not something you want to be a part of. Not in the postseason. That's not what you want to be a part of. Yeah.

But I'm like Mike Tomlin, though, for a number of reasons. First off, he's a culture changer. Yeah. You know what I mean? Absolutely. And not only that, y'all know this because y'all play the game, but he's going to get to respect

any other players, all the players on the team, so he walks in instantaneous. So wherever he goes or whatever chance he gets, like Unsa, he'll probably jump the, he'll probably jump hardball. He jumped to, line, man.

Get a job. Yes. Man, they know he'll come change the culture wherever he goes, so. Okay. I'm looking forward to it. But if anything, shoot. We got a special guest joining us for Boys Night Out.

Good friend about it. I've been knowing this dude, man. What's how old what they do, baby? I took that thousand to hundreds. Huh? He owe you? Yeah, he knows. Wait, Olga, I owe you?

Remember we bet that thousand on the show? For real? Oh, he'll develop some amnesian. Yeah. You do all the thousand a thousand. I got you. I got you. I got you.

I got you. I got you. Thank you, John. I've been knowing this dude. This dude, we used to work out together, run track together, go break bread together. So it's always good to see him,

even though every day, once in a while we'll text each other. Man, you in Atlanta, y'am in Atlanta. Let's go break bread. So it's good to see you, Ope. Talking about stepping down. Are you surprised that the Steelers

and Mike Tomlin are parked ways? I'm surprised. He was there for so long. One of him and Harbaugh, the two coaches, he was a team, two decades. And like you say, you only can coach what you got. Yes. And if you ain't got it, you know, sometimes fans want you have more.

And I think he got a lot out of the team he had. They were still missing some offensive pieces. You know, he tried, made the playoff. And, hey, they ran to a jugger all that night. Houston is the best defense in the league. So you got a 40-year-old quarterback. Yes. That's going to be hard to beat them young guys.

It is. But the problem, and you're right, You can only coach what you have, but a part of his job is to make sure they have. He's the charge of the roster. He chose to go, they get a 42-year-old quarterback. I don't know what you were thinking. How far a 42-year-old quarterback is going to take you, especially in the cold. Most quarterbacks, as they start to get age, as they get older, they like warm weather.

They like Miami. They like Tampa. They like to be indoors. Second of all, when he had an opportunity, I think the thing is he allowed his relationship with Ben Rothert, not a... to not allow him to draft a successor to Rothersburg. Like Green Bay did, they had a successor for Brett Farm. They had a successor for Eric Rogers.

You've got to think, you've got to project. You can't, like, think Ben Rothensburg is going to play there for 30 years. And so I think that's what really happened because in the way the NFL is set up now, it used to be bring your run game, bring your defense. And you could get away with a marginal quarterback. In today's NFL, you've got to have a stud. to play that position if you want to go far. You can make the playoffs.

But if you talk about going far and winning and challenge for championships, without that piece, it's not happening. I heard you and Joe talking earlier. Trey Young got traded. I'm surprised. But I think what happened, and Joe, we talk about this.

In his absence, you saw Jalen Johnson go to another level. And you're like, hold on, this kid young, he's six foot nine, he can handle the ball, he can dish out of him, He can rebound, he can score. Trey, we love Trey, but we're talking about a guy that's six foot tall that really doesn't rebound, that doesn't play defense. Yeah, let's move in a different direction.

Let's see what you get as far as that said. Joe, let's go to you first. Are you surprised that they finally moved on from Trey? No, I'm not surprised. I thought the writing was on the wall because they played so great when he was in the lineup. And then you put the ball in the hands of Jalen Johnson. I didn't know he could play the way he does. Like I told you all, I just told, oh, in the month of December,

he averages triple double. Yeah. Like, that's rare for a guy, six, nine, handling the rock, he can score the ball. He can make guys around him better. And then the guys that surround him, they all lock in, play defense. They gritty, bro. They gritty. So I think that kind of showed when Trey was absent and out the lineup,

and obviously, they was ready to move on from it. That's why you don't let nobody get your father. And that's why when you buy a belly, they say, when you buy a belly, keep low miles on it. Yeah. When you sell you, you get your money back. Exactly. So I guess Atlanta tried to sell Tray, get their money back,

they give you somebody else. But they really didn't get nothing. They basically got CJ on an expiring contract. That seemed like the way they wanted to go to have some maneuverability this offseason. So, I mean, Tray was the face of the franchise. I don't think Atlanta ever forgave them for swapping. You had Luka, you traded Luka for Trey.

And I think trade was perfect for the city because of Atlanta, but you look at what Luka doing, Luca. Neither one to play defense, though. Neither want to play defense, but I think Atlanta didn't go to get the pieces of their fit with Trey, L.A. would get the pieces of their fit with Luke.

Luca, correct. But Luca's still a problem, too. He's 6-6, Trace 5, 11, 6th, 6th. But my thing is, both are going to shoot the three. I think Luka maybe get the guys involved more than the trade, but trade's small. Yeah. So in Washington, he can be okay.

Because they need somebody to bring the fans in. Yes. then his contract. They're going to pay him for the next three or four years. He's going to get his money. He's going to get his money. But they're going to see what can be involved with the team. That's going to be the thing.

I think the biggest thing is also, Joe, is that being a great player on a bad team. They're a bad team. Just get your numbers. That's the number. That's what you're going to get. Guys get their numbers. They're getting paid. Teams, when they pay you that's $34 million, they want to see something.

Most of the lot of these guys get that $34 million, their game going another way. Yeah. They're not really. They're not, look, on really good team, you can't be paying a whole bunch of guys. You've got to, like, settle in there. Now, Oklahoma City, you saw what they did. They gave Shay his money. They gave Jay-Dub his money.

They gave him his money. At some point in time, you can't pay everybody. Everybody can't be on the max contract. So they're going to start losing some of those auxiliary pieces, kind of like what happened with a Golden State. Yeah. They're retired, and these other guys start going to different places and start branching off. So it cuts into your depth.

But you look at Atlanta, I still don't think Atlanta is a contender. Even with CJ and Johnson and Dice and Daniels and Walker, I don't. They probably need about another piece or two. Meant as far as Biggs, another rim protector, a guy who can move, great in pick and roll, things of that nation. But I think they're on the right trajectory as far as, you know, where they're trying to go. Now, are they going to get there? I don't know.

But I like the team that they have, those guys, blue collar workers. They got some guys who can score. And like I say, big fella, Jalen Johnson, he makes all those guys better. So they're a fun team to watch him. He definitely should be,

he definitely should be an all-star. Oh, he'd be all-N-B-A. Yeah, all-N-B-A. Yeah, all-N-B-A. Yeah, all-N-Bey-A. Yeah, all-N-Bey-A. Yeah, I didn't know he could come like that. But this brings something else to the latter,

the ball flowing. Yeah, there you go. Guys stand around waiting, what trade going to do the ball. Right. So now they're going to have more team chemistry. And when you get more team chemistry, everybody,

going like, okay, go out and fight every night. Everybody's going to go out and fight every night. So now they go, like I said, the fans might be mad and trading, but they're going to see you, like, on the floor. That's what you're going to see the difference. Yeah, yeah. And ball hopping. Oh, I know you follow football.

So what do you think? You see the first game on Saturday, you got the Broncos, Buffalo, and then you got the 49ers who went into Philly and pulled an upset. They take on the Seattle Seahawks. The Seahawks beat them the last game of the season to take over that division. and then you got the Patriots take on the Texas and then you got, yeah, and the Broncos and Buffalo. Who are you like?

I don't know, it's going to be tough. I've been saying you're seeing something probably the best football in years. Right. Guys, you know, going down to the last possession and the defenses, you know. I don't know that. I know they want Buffalo to be there, but, you know, you got to win the game to get there. Exactly.

But I think I'm going to go with the young dogs. I'm going to go with Houston. And I think, you. Even Seattle is playing great. But I think New England, Buffalo, I probably take New England, New England, New England, Seattle in the Super Bowl. Wow. I like that.

I can see that. I like that. A rematch of Super Bowl 49. There you know. Maybe it'll be a different outcome. You got a baby Tom Brady. Yeah. And they got that defense in Seattle.

Defense of Seattle. Yeah. Yeah. Man, O'Creciate you joining us for. No problem, man. Thank you guys. Boys, not, I appreciate you, man. Oh, got me.

Oh, got me. Oh, I'm gonna get that money to you. Yeah, na, nine, nine. Let me go, he owe to me old. So let me go out. I'm gonna collect oak money. I'm gonna let him over there. I said it though.

I ain't gonna let the while owe me this long. No, I see. My age needs to be troubled. Oh, say, he's a long shark. Trial. Trial, 10,000, ton of 40, down. Damn, you got it. You got, you don't cover the night.

That one time. All the hell. That was half about that. Yeah, I'm saying. Appreciate your old man. Thank you, stop me, my man. Appreciate you. This is Dr. Jesse Mills, host of the Mailroom podcast.

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