Nightcap - BEST OF NFL Week 18 Part 2: Pete Carroll & Raheem Morris FIRED, Steelers SNEAK AWAY with AFC North Crown!

Episode Date: January 7, 2026

Shannon Sharpe and Chad "Ochocinco" Johnson give you the best of NFL 18! Unc and Ocho get heated on the Black Monday fires from the Raiders done with Pete Carroll to the Falcons letting Raheem Morris go after beating the Saints! Don't miss the wild NFL recap with the best in the business!  Subscribe to Nightcap presented by PrizePicks so you don’t miss out on any new drops! Download the PrizePicks app today and use code SHANNON to get $50 in lineups after you play your first $5 lineup! Visit https://prizepicks.onelink.me/LME0/NI... 0:00 - Steelers clinch AFC North in WILD ending vs Ravens29:42 - Raheem Morris Fired52:21 - Pete Carroll Fired (Timestamps may vary based on advertisements.) #ClubSee omnystudio.com/listener for privacy information.

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on pushing style, culture, and the conversation forward. You break down the door, sick. Now, like, hold the door for everyone. I believe in that solely. So listen to good luck with that on IHeart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you get your podcasts. Ocho, what a game, what a game. Tyler Luke misses a 44-yard field, go wide right.

And a brutal miss for from a rookie. Aaron Rogers and the Steelers win the AFC North, and they get to host a game next Monday night. As a matter of fact, they get to take on the Houston Texans, which should be a barn burner of a ball game. The Houston, Texas finished great down the stretch, and they finished today. They won today.

they beat the Indianapolis Colts. But tonight, Lamar Jackson came back after last week, taking last week off. He was 11 of 18. He only threw 18 passes. 238 yards. Three touchdowns, one in aception. He was sacked three times.

Derek Henry ran the ball extremely well tonight. 20 carries. A buck 26. They just, Steelers just dominated time of possession, Ocho. Aaron Rogers was 31 of 47, 294. one touchdown, no interception, clean game. They ran the ball 24 times for 100 yards.

Ocho, when somebody goes back to throw the ball that many times and they're not as mobile as there is and you only get him two times, that lets you know you need some rushers. The Steelers play. Both teams play great. Ravens got up to a great start. 10-0-0-0-0. Watching this game, tell me what you thought about this game.

Tell me what you liked, what you did like. Listen, this was a divisional game. This is the game that was very exciting because of the implications of it. Both teams having to win the game to go to the playoffs. Aaron Rogers played extremely well. What we thought, what we thought Lamar Jackson wouldn't do with the fact that he was back there, he was ready to play. We thought they would abandon the run and put the ball in Lamar Jackson's hands. But Derek Henry ran the ball well.

Derek Henry ran the ball well. And the plays that Lamar Jackson had to make, he made him. Zay Flowers, two big points. plays. A woozy obviously slipped on one of them. That wasn't a woozy. But outside of that. A woozy wasn't in. That was number three. Yeah, that's, that's, that's, the last one? That's a woozy. On the double move? I thought it was. Yeah, number three is a movie. Ocho. Ocho, yeah. Ocho, you play DB. Since when do they teach you to start with playing with

both feet when you're going backwards? You either T-step, which is one, or you back straight up and drive on one. At no point in time, well, I've never seen a DB, coach say you play it with both feet. That's why he got in the feet, he came up, went out from Monday. Go ahead, Ocho. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, I obviously, you listen, you can't blame the ground on, at that point, especially in the game.

You've been playing all game, all, damn there, all game long, at that point. So, hey, listen, this was a good game. This was a big game. This was a bigger. Aaron Rogers played well. Lamar Jackson played well. The Ravens' offense played well. The one thing I will say, is they were never able to make Aaron Rogers uncomfortable. He was never uncomfortable. Even though he doesn't have the legs he used to have,

there was no pass for us to get Aaron Rogers off his spot. Some of those those things Aaron Rogers made the fire move on. My goodness. Oh, he gets, if you let him just sit down and plant his feet, Ocho, most NFL quarterbacks, and you're talking about one of the great NFL quarterbacks, if you don't put pressure on him, he's going to pick you apart. Oh, yeah.

There's nothing wrong with his arm. Maybe he can't throw it 60 yards like he wants good, but the pinpoint accuracy, yes. And there's occasion where he missed more throws. You see him miss more throws that he normally would miss. But if you don't pressure him and get him off the spot like you said, okay. Yeah. Yeah, he's going to dice you up, man. And look.

And he did tonight. Ocho, the Ravens only have 48 plays. They scored 24 points on 48 plays. They had 12 first downs. Steelers had 24 first downs. The Steelers was 9 of 16 on third down. The Ravens was 4 of 12. The Ravens averaged almost 11 yards per play.

The Steelers were six. Penalties. Ravens were 9 for 78. The one turnover. But that wasn't, That wasn't it. I mean, that missed kick, that might cause John Marbaugh's job, Ocho. You think you think so?

It might. You see, and we're going to talk about it later, you see Rahim got relieved of his duty and the general manager in Atlanta. And think about how they finished. Atlanta was, I mean, Atlanta, somebody's going to get the coach a very good football team. In Atlanta. Bejohn Robinson, Kyle Pitts, Drake, London, Mooney. You look at that Pierce.

they got what jellon uh johnson they got peers uh uh uh yes lernard florid they got baits they've got some somebody's gonna get to coach a very good football team now then i don't think they have a first round pick but they got a good football team down there but i'm looking at the ravers i'm trying to put my hand on when they had them down 10-0 and you had an opportunity to get some more separation you didn't get it and i don't know why you didn't get it because like i said i thought you know 20 carries. I mean, you couldn't stay on the field on third down. It's hard.

Because if you look at the Steelers, they were nine of 16. Think about, oh, Cho, you don't normally have 16 opportunities for third down. No. 16? That's a lot. And then you pick up nine of them.

Because eight of them is 50%. So you're probably around 55%. You let somebody pick up 55% of first, third down, you're going to probably get your ass beat. You probably lose more than what you did, but a missed field goal. I mean, I wasn't surprised that he missed it. That's a rookie kicker, O-Chair.

I mean, rookie kicker in that situation, and you have one job. You have one job. I don't care about the situation. Pre-season, regular season, implications to be able to go to the playoffs, you have one job. When you go to practice, they do one thing since training camp. They kicked the ball. That's it. Let me ask you question.

How many times they practice they kick for a chance to go to the playoffs? You block the noise out. You block the noise out. It doesn't matter what you're going for. How many times you think John Harbaugh told him this is a kick to go and take us to the playoffs? Now, we practice. We practice. Do we not practice two minutes?

Do we practice no huddle? Yeah. Okay, we down three. We down seven. How many times you think John Harbaugh told him this is a kick to get us into the playoffs. How many times you think he'd been under that kind of pressure? Probably never. Probably never. Probably probably never. Hey, that's a whole lot, boy, that's a whole lot riding on the leg.

That's a, hey, listen to me, that's a different kind of pressure. Now, the guy, the guy that he replaced in his rookie season, all he did is go kick the Ravens to the AFC championship game. And you see, you see the important. of having a kick of that's consistent. But you're talking about there's a chance. I mean, he's arguably one of the two or three greatest kickers to ever, especially clutch big game. How many big game kicks have we seen him make?

A 66 yarder in Detroit to win the game. Playoff games, all these implications. We've seen him time and time again. Now last year he struggled. I obviously had some things going on, but, you know, we saw him struggle. This situation here. But I, and I'm looking at the game, I'm like, damn, Ravens. Man, look, y'all got the momentum, man.

y'all need to get some separation but i kept like man get a little separation get a little separation yeah they never could get the separation they need the next thing you know is 10 3 and then it's 10 10 10 and then it's i was like damn i said boy you're playing with fire because we talk about it all the time mojo when you have momentum yeah you better get some separation because they're going to get it as much as you can yeah they listen the the pendulum always shifts in a football game you know the pendulum always shifts in any sport, no matter what you play at some point. But like you say, you want to get as much of a lead as you can, while you had the momentum.

But it's difficult, huh? That's why I look the way it looked tonight. It's difficult. And it comes down to what it did tonight where the game is decided on the kicker's leg. And most of the time, you hope you have a clutch kicker, a good kicker who doesn't allow certain situations to bother them, where he can still complete the task under those kind of,

the conditions. That's why Adam Ventatieri is going to the Hall of Fame. You talk about clutch. How about making a game winning field goal in the snow? How about making a kick in the Super Bowl Ocho twice? Yeah. With no time on the clock. Can you get more clutch than that?

Can you get more pressure than that? That's why Adam Venetary is going to be in the Pro Football Hall of Fame. Yeah, he played a number of years and longevity, but that's not why. You won't find two better kickers under the gun, under immense pressure than Adam Venetary. Ventrary, yeah. Everybody remember that divisional game of the playoffs against the Raiders into snow, a driving 45, almost 50-yard kick, he nails it. And overtime to win the Super Bowl.

Super Bowl. And then guess what, Ocho? Two years later, come back against the Carolina Panthers and did it again. Again. Mm-hmm. He was clutching now. No doubt about it. Chad, y'all may all help me.

Whether the Ravens look, I understand, yet the defense is bad. And I know John Harbaugh, it's tough, Ocho. When you have a friend and you don't really want to fire somebody, but he probably didn't think he had anybody on the staff that could fill in and do any better than what Zach Orr was doing.

That's why he left him in that role. With that being said, Yeah. This defense isn't good. It's not. Let's be rich. Chat, y'all know it. It's not good.

They got no past rushers. The guys in courage aren't good. Roquan is okay, but Roquan is not Roquan from three, four years ago. He's not. Hold on. Hold on. I got a question. I know you say the defense is bad, right?

Yes. But when you look at the third level on the Ravens, are they really that bad if they got to cover people for 30 seconds I mean if you got to cover somebody for 30 seconds hell everybody else would look bad too if you weren't getting any pressure on the goddamn quarterback well well now I called a question

if you know you can't get pressure why would you put your corners in a one-on-one situation with like a bomb blitz there if you can't stop to run you ain't got no choice it wasn't like they were running the football ohcho it's the thing is that you really I feel like, okay, if I got a Rob Peter to pay Paul, I don't need to be, I don't need to be going out there getting luxury items.

I need to pay the day to day. I need to pay the mortgage. I need to pay the light bill. I need to pay the gas bill, the phone bill. I need to play necessities. So with that being said, I know I can't get home. Do I really want to sacrifice a back end? That's not very good to begin with.

Am I really trying to put them on an island? because if I don't get there in, that's why you need a guy that can win one-on-one, Ocho. You need a guy that can win instantly. You see how Miles Gere? You see that Joe Burrell late? No, he didn't. Look at the get-off that Miles Gary got.

If he'd have been running track, he'd fall started. Because you can't go under point one. He went 0.2-3. Let that sink in. So when Joe was saying, he was gone. He didn't get the tough. Yeah. The Ravens, Ocho, they need a, they look, they need defensive linemen,

but I'm not so sure they can use a couple of corners too, Ocho. They do. Nah, I don't, listen, honestly, I like, I like Wiggins. They just drafted him. He's played decent. Of course, he's gotten beat. Well, I think we all get beat part of playing the position is your, I agree. Yeah, you are going to get beat, but most of the time you want someone that can

clutch in certain moments and that can win the majority of one-on-on battles and if you're elite, follow the number one receiver. No, no, no, he's not there. I mean, that's that's reserved for Certain. That's reserved for Stingley. That's reserved for

who else we got, Ocho, Gonzalez, that's reserved for those guys. A.J. Terrell is reserved for guys like that. Right. I'm not. Mitchell.

and Phelian Mitchell Yes, that's reserved for those guys He don't need to follow anybody He probably need to be on the third The second or the third receiver While you're bull-jabing That's not nice, huh? I understand what you're saying

But young bull, young boy has potential Young boy has potential Outside of that, they need a premier A premier rush on. They do. They're very bad. They need a premier rush. I don't care if you play on the left

or you play on the right. We got to get you in the building. Yeah. They got to get somebody in the, I agree. They need a rusher, preferably two. But if you can get a true number one rusher and a solid number two Russia that can win, I mean, they had Janabian clown.

I mean, look, he's a guy. If you let him get 20 snaps a game, he can generate pressure. If you let him get 20 snaps a game. Now, he's not an every-down player anymore. But he still can generate, he can still generate pressure. if you minimize the snaps. Offensively, they're going to probably need to get some linemen. You're going to probably need to get a guard, two guards.

They are. They just are. I mean, I wish it was something I could, I mean, I wish I could dress it up for you. But chat, y'all know I'm not lying. I mean, you would like to have more than, since you like for Lamar, you'd like to have more than 45 plays. I mean, you score 24 points with 45 plays. Lamar was 11 of 18.

You ran the ball 27 times for a buck 37. That's what, five yards of carry. You can live with that. Yeah, absolutely. You can live with five yards of carry. Every January, we're encouraged to start over. But what if this year is about slowing down and learning how to understand ourselves more deeply?

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Listen, Lamar was efficient when you had the ball, even if they didn't have it a lot. He was efficient with the ball. And we talked about, you know, thinking, you know what we should do? Hell, I never forget what you said, honk. You thought they'd be their best option with the start Tyler Huntley if Lamar wasn't healthy. Man, the hell you say, shit. Absolutely not. I still wish Lamar could.

Lamar did everything he could to make sure he won this game tonight. He did his part. He did. I wish Lamar could have put more pressure on him with his legs, Ocho. He can't. He couldn't. Let me tell you something. You know how I know he's not the same?

On that third down where he couldn't get out the way. You saw that guy catching? On the third down. Well, you saw it when they ran the quarterback draw? He was wrong. I said, where Lamar Jackson looked like he got a piano on his back? Yeah, yeah, yeah. He's tipping.

Matter of fact, you know, he's tipping. He's not even extending himself. His gate is close. close. He's not even opening up. He's, he's moving, but he ain't moving, if that makes sense. Yes. He is. To the Steelers side, Aaron Rogers, 31 or 47, 294. They ran them all 24 times, basically a little over four yards of carry. Gangwell had a big catch. Calvin Austin with the sluggo. Feeling had a big catch. Vada Scanlan had some big catches. Look, Frymooth had a big catch to set them up, get them down,

get them down to like the five-yard line. They played well. You know the Steelers was going to play well. Cam Hayward, I thought Cam Hayward had a well-of-a-ball game. I thought the D. Lyman played really, really well. I thought there were some lanes that had the backside been able to get cut off, that Derek Henry could have hit those and maybe popped it. Instead of getting two, three yards, he probably could have got 10, 12 yards.

but I credit the Steelers. They did a great job of disengaging and getting to the ball carrier. Give those guys credit for that. I thought the Steelers D-Line played extremely well. Yeah, and you're like, well, how do you say they play well? They gave up 120, 126 to Derek Henry.

But that could have easily been against Green Bay. That 120 was 180. That was a different. Cam Hayward played extremely, extremely well. I love the way I look. He might not run fast, but from point A to point B, which is from end to end,

he gets there. I was very impressed. I mean, Harry is in the year, what's the year? Year 14? This year 14, he was in that 2012 draft, Ocho. With Cam and Vaughn Miller and all those guys, Justin Houston, Richard Sherman, all those guys that the greatest draft that's the greatest draft that is the greatest

the greatest if you look at the players in that draft you did you know Julio was in that draft right AJ Green was in that draft right Pat Peterson was in that draft right yeah I got Cam Hayward Cam Jordan all them was in that draft photo Joe hey the greatest draft is 2001 on what? The greatest draft is in 2001. I just want to throw that out there. Y'all ain't even close. Y'all might not be better than 90.

With me, M.S.A.R. Rest his soul. Tess, rest his soul, y'all might not be better than us. Listen, can you hear me? When Chad Javon Johnson was drafted into the NFL, that was the greatest draft. Oh, Joe, you only one person. I don't care. I don't care. Who else was in your draft class?

Michael Vick. Okay, who else? I can't remember the rest of the people. Cam, Von Miller, Pat Peterson, A.J. Green, Julio Jones, Tyron Smith, Cam Jordan, Cam Hayward, Richard Sherman, Justin Houston. Pull up that night. Put out of 2011 draft. It ain't even close.

Ain't nobody close to that draft. When you go back and look at the players in that draft in that first round on show, just the first round. Right, right, right, right. I think Sherman was, what, second, third, fourth? When you look at that draft, Ocho, that is the greatest. Hey, what Sherman? You told him, Richard Sherman?

Sherman was fifth round, yes. What, what? He was fifth round? Oh, JJ Watt was in that draft. Okay. Hey, hey, they're some nice boys now. Hey, everybody who named is nice, but Ocho was drafted in 2001. I was drafted in 2001.

The greatest entertainer of all time was drafted in 2001. That's me. Yeah. That's me. But you only were a player. You got to have 20-7 mothers. I know. I know,

but it's one player that is more entertaining and fun than everybody you just name. Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah. Give the Steelers credit. They get an extra day. This is not an accident. That they put the team that played the last game on Monday night to give them a rest. They didn't want to cheat them.

don't make them play on Saturday don't make, hey, let them play Monday night. So this year, Ocho, we got a Monday night play our game, something we've never had before. I'm ready. Hey, matter of fact, since we never had it before, why do we make a, why do we make a,

a presence? Let's make our presence fell. You want to go to the game? Cause. Hey, how come every time I... You don't realize, now I got to be in Baltimore, then we got to be in New York. Hey, how come...

Hey, y'all don't be telling me nothing, man. Y'all don't be telling me nothing. I don't be knowing what's going on. Well, I think you find out sooner later. But how you know, how you know before me? How do you know what? We're going to New York. You knew that.

We all the red carpet with Matt Damon and Ben Affleck, Tiana Taylor. What will be doing with them? What are you doing in red carpet, don't you? Oh, we, are we from the red carpet? We're working. No, we're not. Well, yeah, we're going to walk red carpet.

We have to work. Hey, uh, live screaming from the red carpet, Ocho. Hold on. Um, I get to wear a suit. You can wear whatever you want to wear. Hey, hey, um,

one thing you know about it when it's time to put on some thread and it's time to look good. Boy, you know who comes to the party, uh, let me tell you, Hey, I'm gonna be some European.

You need to communicate with Ocho. Hey, um, hey, I'm gonna be sharp, bro. What we're going to? Hey, we're going to what, the Golden Globes? We got Netflix premiere, The Rip, with Matt Damon, Ben Affleck, Tiana Taylor, all those.

Okay, okay. Hey, I know, you know, me and Ben Affleck go way back. I'm sure you have some very interesting questions to ask them, did. Hey, yeah, I got some good ones, but hey, I'm, hey, I'm going to be so clean, boy. I'm going to be clean as a board of health. You hear me? Oh, Joe, for the first time since 2021 and for the first time since leaving the Packers after the 2022 season, Aaron Rogers is back in the playoff.

Aaron Rogers in the postgame interview, it's been a grinding year. And the two years before that was tough as well. But he's back. He's back. He's back in the post season. It's been a while since he's been in the postseason. This is what, look, it's a tough year on him. He's playing with, I think, a broken bone and his non-throwing hand.

It's been tough. It's really tough when you've got. been as great as he is, and all of a sudden some of the things that you took for granted that you could do with your eyes. You can't do it anymore. You can't do it no more, Ocho. You can't do it more. But he played well tonight.

When they needed every, when they needed a big throw, he came up with it. They needed a big run. You know, he scrambled for 20 yards. I thought Jalen Warren ran tough. The guys made plays. Now, next week, they get D.K. back. Hey, hey, hey. And that's a good thing because look what Aaron was able to do without him tonight.

Listen, it was done by committee tonight. Everybody was a part of the offense. Frymoot balling. Calvin Alson getting throws, getting throws. Normally he wouldn't get before because now we ain't got no choice. We got the county because we don't have D.K. Metcalf. They got my dog. They got my dog.

Adam feeling involved in the game. I wish they would use him a little bit more. Obviously, he's a veteran presence. He's good. He's a rock run. I don't care how long you've been playing. I don't care how old he is. If you brought him in,

goddamn use him. Outside of that, I mean, it's going to get interesting come Monday night in that playoff game. Yes. And anytime you have Aaron Rogers,

someone who's used to being in the playoffs. Oh, you know, used to being in the playoffs? But you know one thing to right, the one thing the Texans can do, they can heat your ass up with more. Yeah, yeah, yes.

I mean, when you were a. You ain't got to tell me twice? You ain't got to tell me twice. Listen, Will Anderson, Daniel Hunter. They got Seidel Jr. They got Mario Edwards. They got Rankins.

They got Shazir. They got Tutsuola. The DVs that they got, they can come. They can come. Now, the problem that concerns me is that the Houston, Texas don't have a run game.

It's hard, it's hard, it's hard, it's hard, oh, it's to win when you don't have no resemblance of a run. And you know the Steelers. The Steelers like to make you one-dimensional,

and just try to go hunt your quarterback. Right. And you know what? When I think about it too, Unk, Nico didn't play the day. Stingley, some of them boys, a lot of them rest of the day, Unk.

Even without a run, they've been able to still run their offense. Yeah. They don't need a, they don't need a Sequin type of back. They don't need a Devon A. Chan, a back that's going to go for 150, 180, you know. But still, just someone that can keep the,

Keep it going. Keep it going and keep our offense balance. Keep our offense balance. We don't need you breaking a run for 80, 50 yards. That's never been the Texans. That's really never been the Texans if you think about it. Obviously, the last time I can think of an efficient running back doing an extremely aware in the run game was when Joe Mixing was healthy. Correct. Before that, it's been, before Joe Mixing, it was Aaron Foster. I think they had Pierce. They had a guy named Pierce that ran really well. know what happened him. I don't know where he is now. Chat, baby, y'all can help us out.

But they got their work cut out for him. The Steelers got their work cut out for him. I think both teams have their work cut out for him. The one thing that we do know is that they can get after your quarterback. They can get out of your quarterback, aren't you? Yeah, they can. They can. I don't really think, listen, I don't have no horse in this race. I don't have a horse in this race, but it's a, If I'm betting on a team to win this game,

even as great as that goddamn Texan defense is, I'm not betting against two players, a coaching a player that have been in the postseason multiple times. That are used to that I'm not bad. That's me. And, you know, I'm not a bet, man. So I'm just saying based on who's been there the most in those type of situations where they're not rattled.

There is no pressure. They've been there so much. They just go out there as a quarterback. I'm going to just go play ball. Well, I'm just play ball. Okay, they got a great pass rush. How do we counter that? How do we counter them having a great pass rush?

Hell, motherfucking misdirection. Quick throws. The quick game. Kind of like what Cincinnati do to try to get the keep miles off. Bingo. And they did it the entire game. They did it all four quarters. Congratulations to the Pittsburgh Steelers.

They win the AFC North and get a matchup with the number five seed, the Houston, Texas on Monday night. They beat the Baltimore Ravens by the score of 26 to 24. Ravens rookie, miss a Tyler loop, misses a 44-yard field goal, and the Ravens go home. What's starting? Look, all the games that they lost early, Ocho, they probably kicked themselves.

They lost to the Buffalo, had a game in hand, they lose the Buffalo. They lost some games that they probably should have won. They probably shouldn't even been in this situation. But you are, you are what your record says you are. all this way they should have been this or they should have been that what does their record say their records say they're under 500 teams that's what they are an under 500 team so steers congratulations you win the aFC north 2624 over the baltimore ravens uh dk gives a chance

with 14 seconds at a timeout john harbour went to the rookie kick oh cho you got a timeout in hand You don't want to try to get no more yards? Nah, I don't think so. Not in that situation. You know why they did? Why? But one, he didn't because he trusts his kicker. A rookie in that situation?

Yeah. Yeah, he's not even looking at it like that. You can't look at it like that. Okay. Nah, yeah, I trust my kicker. I want to end this now. I want to end this now and win this game. I'm putting our season on my rookie kicker's leg.

He's a rookie. There's a reason we got him. If we didn't trust, we wouldn't have him. Only two things can happen. Either you go make it or you're going to miss. Yeah, but here's the thing, though, Joe. It's unfortunate that he missed. When he missed, they ain't got no time with the clock, so I season over.

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The Panthers squeezing to the playoffs, thank... Wait, the who? The who? The Carolina Panthers squeezing to the playoffs, thanks to the help from the Atlanta Falcons who beat the New Orleans

saved by the score of 19 to 17. A Falcons win was enough to send the Panthers to the postseason and send Tampa Bay home. Carolina Panthers haven't made an NFL playoff since 2017, and they haven't hosted the playoff game in nearly a decade. This also marks the owners David Tepers first trip to the postseason since he purchased a team in July of 2018. Hours after the game, Ocho, Falcons fired head coach Rahim Morris and GM Terry Fontno after two straight disappointing seasons. The Atlanta Falcons wrapped up an eight and nine campaign.

Fottano has been the Falcons general manager since 2021. Morris was hired in 2024. I thought Terry Fawthawtono did a good job. You look at who he drafted. Yeah. Kyle Pitts, B. John Robinson, Michael Pennix, Jr., Pierce, Johnson.

They got some talent, though, Joe. They got some talent. Listen, they got some talent. fortunate that they won't be there to see that talent continue to flourish over there in Atlanta. Obviously, Arthur Blank very short of patience, only allowing Rahim three years. Fontaine

allowing him three years. And he sees fit. They're going in other directions for his team. Listen, as far as B'et. Oh, you've been there five? He's been there five? Since 2021. Rahim been there for three. Since 2024. He's been to

two years. Damn. They let him go already? I would be surprised we're going to talk about this match up a little later i would not be surprised if they let erring gang glow go oh cho remember after one did they let gerard did they let gerard meo go after one did they let steve wills go after one when you feel you got taverns oh wait it show it's show it's a short leash uh huh if show was short you know what you know what i'm not you know what jel walker

that's the first round pick he's the first round pick jel walker okay And Pierce, Jr. Yeah. Yeah. Hey, um, you see how God continue to open doors and you're acting like you're blind to it, huh? What do you have open doors for? As a matter of fact, I'm about to sell my house in Atlanta.

I ain't trying to go crazy. Hey, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa. Listen, I'm close with Arthur Blank. Now, I could put your name in the hat if you want to get your coach. I got this number. I can call it myself. Okay. Well, you might want to shoot him a text.

If I do, I want to say, ask him how he's doing. Make sure, you know, you do it okay. That's it. No, you don't. No, you don't. Oh, Chuck. Kirk Couss, 18 or 32, one touchdown, one of deception. Bejohn Robinson, 15 for 33.

They had 25 carriers, 49 yards. Tyler Shook was 23 or 35, 259, one touchdown, one of deception. They ran the ball 26 time for 108 yards. Jawan Johnson, 3 for 61. Dante Peders, five for 60, Adriic Estimmy, five for 43. Yeah. That interception, that killed the Saints. That intercession killed the Saints.

The timing of when it actually happened, it killed all momentum and their chances to actually win this game once the Falcon got the ball back in that situation. I mean, the Saints didn't play bad, huh? They was able to hold Bejohn only 33 yards. Drake London only has 78. Outside of the day, it was a good game. It was a very good divisional game where the team that made the few of the mistakes was going to win the game. And that's exactly what happened.

I think Jay Glaser is reporting that Matt Ryan is in line to be a, you know, a senior something at the Falcon. Didn't he report that? What? For real. Hey, that's nice. Can you imagine? Let's say, let's say, a high profile

for an office role. Well, the only road is high profile is general manager V. GM. Right. He ain't about to be the owner.

He's not going to be the BP. So those are the only two high profile role. You get to be BP or you get to be the GM. So there's a good chance. Matt Ryan going to be the new GM. There's a good chance.

And being able to oversee and building that team into what it is they may need, you know, that's dope. For the future. That's dope.

Does that happen often? Or more players should be afforded the opportunity to be in those positions. Well, you see, look, Tom Brady has a role in the Raiders. Yeah. Who is that? Troy is getting advice has the ear of your team. With the dolphins. Right.

So it's starting to happen more. Mm-hmm. Well, maybe, maybe I wonder if the opportunity would present itself for me to have some type of front-offer office road in Cincinnati. That's a family, that's a family run business. That ain't happening. You know that. And I'm a part of the family.

I'm not sure if you knew. First of all, you know the Cincinnati biggest more than anybody. Yeah, yeah. So you know is Mike Brown, his daughter, his son-in-law, and that. 80, yeah, Troy, yeah. And listen, hold on, you're not, and right up under the, it's me. Yeah, right, right up under the, up in the, But if I need anything, you know how you can call the Broncos?

Huh? If you need anything. But if I need anything, and I'm not, I'm not even talking about football related. I'm talking about if I was down to my last, you hear me? Hey, Chad, listen to me real quick. If I was down to my last one, Dan Morgan. Dan Morgan's in the role in the Carolina. In the Carolina, that's right, right.

Is Keekley doing anything for the, I don't think Keekly's doing anything for the, yeah. Monk, you're not hearing what I'm saying, though, if I were down to my last, boy, and I'm about to be homeless. And I need to, well, I need a little help. Okay. I can make, I can make that call,

but everybody can't do that, what? Yeah, I'm talking about, hey, I need, hey, I need some cash. I am, hey, listen to me, I am of no value to you anymore, but you know what, I'm in a bad position. Can you load me something? Yeah, well, look, yeah.

Now, if the bowling was in a situation, I had that kind of relationship with the bowling. I don't know. I have a great, the time that I've spoken to Rob and the Pinners, they've been great to me. So I don't want people to come up. Well, Shannon can't go back to the Broncos. They open up the facilities and let me sit down and interview John just last week,

two weeks ago. So the Ravens, excuse me, the Broncos have been great to Shannon Sharp. But I didn't play for them. It's a different type of relationship. I played for Mr. B. I had a personal relationship with Mr. B. They're doing, I think they're going to release a documentary and his daughter's reached out and asked me what I talked

because of the relationship that I had with Mr. B. Yes. It was next to John. It's hard to say that his favorite player wasn't, 184, Sharpie. So, but no, the Bravins have been, the Ravens, I keep saying the Ravens, because we just talked, just talked about them.

The Broncos have been great. Most of the time I just call I call Chip Chip I need something I'm getting some more these cups I need some more these cups If I need hat If I need gear I need paraphernalia Something like that

I'm something like that I'll just call I reach out to Chip Or I reach out to a flip A flip I need a helmet Flip I need some I need some T's Hey what you need Sharpey So but no The Broncos have been great to Shannon Sharp

The Broncos have been great The Broncos help put Shannon Sharp's kids through college, through private school, hey, take care of his family. The Broncos first and the Ravens. The Broncos started it. The Ravens made late, it's like, okay, if I want to work after my career, I can,

but if I don't, I can shut it down. Cleveland Browns, they have fired Kevin Stefansky after six years. He's a two-time coach of the year, and he won Cleveland's first playoff game in more than 25 years. Despite those accolades, Stefansky exit with a 45,

and 56 record and went 8 and 26 in his last two season. The majority of Stefansky's success came with Baker Mayfield, but the Browns have since traded him away. This is the list of passes in no particular order that has come along since Baker. Deshaun Watson, Jacoby Brissette, Joe Flacco, James Winston, Shador Sanders, Dylan Gabriel, Dorian Thompson, Robinson, PJ Walker, Jeff, Jeff Driscoll, and Bailey. That's a lot of quarterbacks.

Now, it was reported today, and I don't know, Pete Priscoe, who writes for CBS Sports.com, he's reported that Stefansky never wanted Deshaun Watson. Ocho, I don't know if you saw it, but I was talking to John, and I asked him one of the reasons why I asked him, you know, one of his biggest regret is that he didn't take Josh Allen. And I said, well, why didn't you take him? He said, Sharpe, I just couldn't get the coaches to buy in. He was really, really raw, and it was going to take some time for him to develop. You know, he didn't throw, he turned the ball over, and he didn't throw with a high completion.

But I just couldn't get the coaches to buy in. And when you're talking about, you know, taking somebody with the fifth pick of the draft and you're taking a big time fridge like a quarterback position, like a Deshaun Watson, Ocho, you need everybody balled in. Can't nobody. Yes. There can't be any lukewarm feeling.

Well, yeah, I'll cope. No, we got to be all bought in. Now, that's what Pete Priscoe said. We don't know that to be true. But what it did because it hadn't worked out so far, Ocho, it kind of doomed the franchise. Because think about what you gave up, three first rounders,

you gave up a second round, I think you gave a third round of, and find me all what they all gave up. And when it doesn't work out, Ocho, yes. Well, um, well, listen to you. And Joe and,

I mean, this didn't doom the franchise. The franchise has been doomed before that situation didn't happen. Unk, they've been through 37,000 quarterbacks. They haven't been able to find the one. Now, obviously, if Josh Allen,

if they've gotten Josh Allen, despite what they might have seen on tape, Listen, when you draft, regards to what round, regards to what pick, it's still hit or miss, no matter what. You can get somebody in the first round

that played great in college and it might not translate over into the NFL. It just happens like that. Sometimes this year's draft, we're talking about some of the players that are coming into the draft, they're going to very bad teams.

And when they go to the bad teams, some of these players that are going to go early aren't transcending talents. They're not generational talents, but they have a superior supporting cast around them in college, and therefore they're going to go high to a very bad team, and you're going to wonder why they struggle. They struggle because of them having,

I mean, them not having the tools and the supporting cast around them when they get to these NFL teams, and it's a different ballgame. If you're not a transcending talent, which I really haven't seen, I'm talking about a generational talent, that would show up right now in college. There is not that, there's not that coming into the draft. Right.

It's not. I'm just being honest. And I'm not sure people in the chat, I'm not sure what you're watching, even though college players that have played well, those college quarterbacks. Ain't no Lamar Jackson's. Ain't no Josh Allen,

ain't no Joe Burroughs, ain't no Patrick Mahomes. Now, there's a chance they could pan out to be that, but teams don't have the patience for that's what happened. Or the coach, because if you go back and think about Ocho, Josh Allen's rookie year with a turnover machine. It wasn't until he got Brian Dayball.

that he turned into the Josh Allen that we see now and the guy that's taken over has even taken him to a higher height and got him to an MVP. So that's the thing. They're going to be some rough spots. And the question is, are we built to withstand those rough spots

until he gets this thing figured out? And Joe, this is another thing, Joe and Unk, if you're not built, which you aren't going to be, the Raiders aren't built. No. And whoever they pick, they're going to get a quarterback, Joe. We got to. They're going to get a quarterback, Unk.

Do you trust Mark Davis and all the people that are in that building that are in positions of power to build a team around him to make sure he can be competent, a good quarterback for the future? Because if you don't, what's going to happen, that shit can be demoralizing, Joe. Joe, you go into the wrong situation like that. Hey, look. And you ain't got no helper. And you ain't got no help around you? I can imagine. I can imagine.

You come from a winning program where you've won everything and then you come to the NFL and it's a different ball game. Joe, this is the best of the best. But it's levels to everything. It's the best of the best and you're going early

but the team you're on is just not good. The players you're playing with even though they're part of the 1% they're just not good. What do you think, Joe? Man, we talk what team you're all talking about right now?

Uncle Ocho. He's your talk about a quarterback. top top quarterbacks go into a bad situation because that's the way I know I know we're talking about the best players yeah I know we're the worst teams and help them all of a sudden they're not the worst teams anymore yeah I know I know you had said some about you know these coaches getting fired yeah even when I look yeah even when I look at the Cleveland situation man you got a pretty good quarterback okay Ocho why not just like beef up your offensive line get get get some more weapons whoever you're going to have back that throwing the ball at the end of the end of

the day, I mean, you got to protect the quarterback and you got to give him some more weapons from what I've been doing.

Yeah, they definitely do wide receiver. You got Quinn Jenkins. We'll see how soon he can come back. That's the same. I like it.

Will he come? I mean, is he going to miss time? Ocho, you know, he had a serious injury. Will he miss time? Will he be back for OTAs? Will he be ready

for training camp? How soon and will he be back? I think the thing is, Ocho, is that, but see, when you get a 26-year-old that's proven it's supposed to be

can't miss. We're not talking about a guy out of the college Ocho. We're talking about a guy that at the time that they signed him, he was a top five quarterback. Everybody had Deshaun Watson in their top five. So that's not a situation where we're getting a guy that's never played, never thrown in NFL football, never doesn't know what it's like to go to NFL meetings

and lead a huddle and command and be the voice men among men. That's Deshaun Watson. 26 years of age, he had just led the league in passing, had been a pro-go player. So he was supposed to be Can't Miss. You get Tom Brady, you get Tom Brady, going to Tampa, he can't miss. You get Peyton Manning. Granted now, Peyton Manning was, he had the elbow, the nerve in his nerve in his neck, Ocho.

But based on that, if everything checked out, if he could throw the ball, 40 yards, Peyton Manning was supposed to be Camp Miss. That was Deshaun Watson, 26 years of age, fully health. just led the league in passing. And he gets to Cleveland. And for whatever reason, I'm like, I don't know this guy. I don't know this guy. This is not the guy that came from Houston, Ocho.

I don't know it. Yeah, yeah. And you're right. Cleveland, you need wide receivers. You got a great tight end, but it doesn't hurt to have another one. Yeah. Knox and Kincaid. Did you see how they got that in Buffalo, Ocho?

Hold on. What about the Bears? Yes. Lovelin and. command in, uh, Loveland. Yeah. Yeah.

You got Warren. You got more Allie Cox in, uh, in, and the Colts. You got two tight ends. You got strange and the other guy at Jacksonville. So they need weapons. They need to beef up that offensive line. The offensive line is just not good enough right now. Man.

They're not good enough right now, but you need weapons. But you can't keep, you can't keep shuttling quarterbacks in and out. Yeah. You mentioned Mark Davis. I ain't got no problem with Mark Davis because Mark Davis will. Now, he's not like his dad. He's not meddlesome like his dad.

He trusts the people that he hired. The people that he hired just effed it up. Because he didn't want to fire John Gruden. The NFL made him. Yeah. And he's one of those owners. He's not like his dad. They'd have never made his dad fire anybody.

He's like, fire him. He wouldn't hire some more of his family. Just. That's not, Joe, you didn't catch you. See, I called it the real.

He's like that. That's not how his son is. His son is like, okay, our total company line, I'll do everything. Jerry has replaced his dad as the outlaw. Man,

I'm going to do what the hell I say. I pay for this team. I'm not going to let you tell me what to do or boss me around. But, oh, Joe, here's what Jimmy Haslam had to say about the state of the Browns.

And I want you to hear this. okay first of all ownership takes full responsibility for where we are to win eight games in two years is horrible it's totally unacceptable okay and it's not going to continue okay and i want the fans to know we are as frustrated as you are hey unc is one thing about it hey unc this is the funny thing about it ownership takes full responsibility they have to the owners can't get fired joe i know Hey, the people, hey, the people that own, they can't get fired. 400, probably 400, 425 coming, Ocho, in March. What that mean?

The TV contract, every NFL's team cut. Oh, yeah. Hey, so, wait, oh, 425 million fans are the team? How much we get into that? We don't own no team. And, Ocho, now, that's the TV cut. Now, we didn't say nothing about you selling tickets. We didn't say nothing about the local marketing.

We didn't say nothing about local. local TV, local sponsorship, we didn't say nothing by parking, and we didn't say nothing by concession. Yeah. Oh, yeah. It adds up. It added. You ain't got to tell me twice. I understand the business side of things.

I just don't like to talk about it. Okay. Brown's general manager, Andrew Barry said today that he was non-committal on the team starting quarterback for 2026 and that the new head coach will have a say in the decision. Barry said, we're going to do our work on the quarterback market. It's too important of a position. and it's something that has to be solidified. I can't sit here and tell you today whether the starter in 2026 is internal or external.

But it's something that we're going to work through over the next several weeks. And quite honestly, the new head coach will also have a lot of input into that way. Oh, Cho, you see what he said? Yes. Talk to me. He said, it's too important a position.

He said, I can't sit here today and tell you internal left quarter. Oh, Andrew Berry said today that he was non-community. on the starring quarterback for the 2026 season. And the new head coach will have a safe. He should have be safe. He got to coach. You see what he did? Yeah.

He's going to put again, going to put somebody on the head coach that maybe the head coach doesn't want. And then I'm stuck. It's like your grandmother's to put that plate down for you. Man, I don't want that. Okay, do it out. But obviously, obviously,

Andrew Barry, they've made mistakes when it comes to picking. And I don't advocate anybody. I don't advocate anybody getting fired at your. You might get fired. Right. I'm just saying you far. Okay, Stephansky, and I'm not saying Stifansky didn't deserve to go, but I'm saying, who hires to fansky?

Who brought all those players in? He did. So he bring all those players in. He stays and gets to hire another coach. Okay. And that's why they feel comfortable taking responsibility for all the losing. Because there's nothing that's going to happen to those who own. They're going to keep recycling, coach after coach,

quarterback after quarterback. At some point. Until they get right. Let me ask you a question, don't Joe. So let me get this right. Jimmy has them stood before the press today and said eight wins over the last two seasons is unacceptable. Is it unacceptable for the guy that hired that coach? Last I checked, I mean,

you ain't get him off a hiring app. I mean, maybe it was Zip recruiter. You know, you get these people, copy it all the emails and all these different, you know, advertising, hiring agencies. I heard you looking for work. Where do you hear that from? I mean, you know, you know what the issue is.

All these coaches, that's getting fired when coaches get fired in general. I mean, it all come down to one common denominator. You don't have the goddamn players you need to have success. Because Sean McVeyn't go anywhere. Bill Belichick lasted 20 years. Look at all the coaches that have had long, sustaining careers. They've always been able to compete.

Diane Cranky, Sean McVe says, look, I understand you took this guy number one, but I can't win with him. I've gone as far as I can go with him. We need to do something. Now, you tell me, What other coach is going to have an input that says, you know what? We're going to trade our number one pick.

Give up first rounders. We need Matt Stafford. How many owners are going to do that, Ocho? The Raiders have fired their head coach Pete Carroll after just one season. Carroll said the Raiders would win a bunch of games in this first season. Instead, the Raiders finished 3 and 14. Had us hit, but they got that number one pick. The Raiders were at the bottom of almost every category, offensively, and defense.

The unit finished 31st in precious. Rake, 27th and Sack, despite Max Crosby having 10 this season. The Raiders are also looking to hire a financial advisor. That's what you should. Ocho, think about all the coaches. Antonio Pierce, $8 million. Josh McDaniel, $10 million. John Gruden, $10 million.

Pete Carroll, $16 million. Chip Kelly, $6 million. And you got to bring another head coach in and his staff. You got to pay them. Yeah, but listen, if they need to hire, Hey, Joe, they need to hire a financial advisor. I'm right where they need to come. Yeah.

I'm right. I'm exactly who they need to call. They already need. Hey, listen, if there's anything, I can get them out of that. Don't worry about that. I can get them out of that. If it's anybody that knows and that's financially conscious and very savvy when it comes to spending and making sure it's me.

It's too late, Joe. It's me. Well, listen, it might be too late, but I will make sure they won't make any more goddamn mistakes in overspending. from this point on. Now bring me in the building. Well, here's the thing. When you fire a coach,

you ain't got no choice. You're on the hook for his money. Well, listen, we're going to be a lot more cautious on who we hire and making sure we allow that contract. You could have hired Bill Belichick. That quarterback situation,

you're going to be right here. Oh, yeah. You're right. Hey, so if you're the Raiders, though, do you get one of these kids coming out of the draft? They're going to be a quarterback or do you? Because I don't believe, I don't, at some point in time,

you got to stop trying to get stuff. You got to stop trying to, like we used to call it secondhand. You know, Joe, you don't have talked about a second hand. Ben it was a long time before I had a new car by something myself. There's somebody hadn't got in there and pass gas in it.

I want to be the first one of the past gas in this car. So, oh, Joe, you know, you're getting secondhand stuff. I think that need to move on from that second hand and get a quarterback of their own. And where he going to come from? Look, the kid from Indiana or the kid from the Oregon, they're coming out. It's too much money, not to.

They ain't going to get it as old Joe. No. You put them, you put them young bulls in that environment. Have you seen Oregon's team? Have you seen Indiana? Yes, I have. And what you think going to happen to either one of them if they go to the Raiders? What is going to, what they're going to look like?

You already know. Look, they're long ways away. They need, they need offensive. of line. They need defensive players. Look, you got to trade Max Crosby. He's the only thing. That's the only thing of value that you have that can bring you back draft

compensation to help you build up. That's the only thing of value you got. That's the only thing that you can trade. So you're going to have to trade him and get a first and a third and a second next year. Right. And you got a first this year, but also you got a hit. You got a hit. And that's the hard part.

It is. Yeah. It's making sure it's like going to the goddamn casino, I'm playing a roulette. You know? Roulette. You never know. Yeah,

same thing though. Yeah, you spend the ball in, you spend the wheel. Yeah, and drop the black and the red. I get it. Yeah.

And the numbers, yeah. What is called? Roulette. Man, come on, man. Why? Y'all always correct me, man. Yeah. Look, you got it.

You got Brock Bowers. He's one of your top. tight-ins in the league. So you got a pass catching tight-in. You need a receiver. You went into the draft. You got a back last year. You need somebody to block for the back.

You need somebody to block for your quarterback. You got, you got, uh, Christy, excuse me, Crosby that he can, you're not trading, you're not trading Brock Bowers. The reason why I didn't mention him,

because you're not trading him. No. No, not a chance. Max Crosby is the guy that you can trade. and get that can help you build this thing back up because that's really the only thing that you have a value that you're willing to move you got to start with that foundational piece at the end of the day yeah yeah i mean if you got a house oh cho what you go get what's the first thing you go by what what can't you live without sure i'm hoping you say furnish your aunt

i will give you i give you 500 dollars and you you can go and you you got to get one piece in the house TV? Man, that's accessory. Hey, not when you got a phone. I can do that. I can watch all that stuff on my phone.

I mean, okay, okay. Dan, that's a good one, huh? Because the first thing I'm thinking about by getting the house, I need some furniture. I got to have some where to lay my head. And a TV, I'm trying to think, what else? I can speak for a big spires. I bought a house.

It was over a budget joke. You know what I'm saying? My people told me. I said, Shannon, you can spend $425,000. I said, I got you. Four-twenty-five, fool. You're a big old high for $425. First house the lady showed me with $625.

I said, why you're showing me this house? You know I can't afford this. Let's go somewhere else. But I said, before we go somewhere else, let me look around. You know what I said? I said, Joe, or Joe, I said, before we go since we're here now, I might as well look around. Right.

I put my hands in the locket in there. Yeah, that's the game they play on. Oh, man. Big old, I ain't never seen no walk in shower. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean, I, I, I towers were the same place my jeans were. You know, I could go get a pair of jeans, they ain't get a towel. So, you know what I'm saying?

I ain't never seen no linen closet. Linnet? Yeah. Yeah. I walked down, she opened the door, I go to that. I said, there's a basement. I said, I said, what is that? At the time, I ain't know what it was.

I said, what is this called? She said, it's a basement and it's finished. I said, huh? Yeah. I'm walking down there, carpeted. It, three thousand square foot. Ooh. I said, damn.

I could just imagine what I could be doing in here. Yeah. A lot of trampoline, actually. You know what I'm saying? Oh, Joe trampoline. You boy, your boy, with your girl, I was 24, 25, now. I'm faking trampoline. I said, okay.

I said, okay, this is a little bit out of my budget. Let me see the other houses. You know what I said, Joe? I said, let me see the other house. Hey, that 425 ain't going to hit that like that. Okay, she said, well, okay, Mr. Sharp, this is like, this is like 435 to 450. She saw, I saw those houses.

I walked in a ham and hand, a pocket, just like this right here. But I don't want this. I go to the other with your own, Joe. Same thing. pocket. I said, let's go back and look at the other house. One more time. Let's look at the other house you showed me. That first would you show me? She said, are you sure, Mr. Shark? Because they told me the budget.

Yeah, yeah. I go back there. I started, started flanking. I said, I'm right here in the heart of bookhead. Man. I'm right there. I can walk the fields plaza. I can walk the Lenox Mall. Yes. Yeah. I can walk to the movie theaters that's in field's Because back then, Joe, I don't know if you remember. When you got there, they used to have a movie theater in Lennox Mall.

Yeah. Until old boy got shot, a dude got shot there. But you didn't want to go there. I'll tell you about that later, Joe. But anyway, I say, whew, I was thinking about it. I remember, she dropped me back at a time. She dropped me back at the hotel. Yeah.

She said, what you think, Mr. Sharp? I said, I think I'm about to be over budget. I said, I think I'm going to be over budget. Hey, that's how they get you. Boy, that's how they get you. You know who I bought the house from? Joe. Who?

Sugar Ray Leonard's ex-wife. Juanita. I did you. Well, they got you. Hey, they got you just how they got me. How they got you, Joe? Oh, Joe. I'm out here supposed to be looking for me a nice little townhouse.

I just come from Phoenix. Yes, I'm moving out here to Atlanta. Okay. I say, man, you know, Sharif Abdul Rahim, he just built his house out here in Sandy Springs. Yes, sir. He ain't been living in the six months. I say, well, we can go by there and check it out. We come by here, Ocho, I'm still in the house of this day.

We come by here, Ocho, we come by here. They got the chef in there. He got everything whipped up. Right. Man, I'm probably looking at a townhouse. There's $14,000. I'm like, oh, look, you ain't fit to take me going to look at no townhouse.

That's all this. I don't know why you. Right. Why not start with the 425s first? Right. Why you start with this? It's like I'm about to go to that. Hold on.

Time out, time out, time out, time out. Let's slow down a little bit. Cause Joe just threw it out there. Like I, like me and the chat and hear him just say $14,000 square feet. I'm just keeping it 100. 14,000 square feet. Boy, boy, you in Buckinghamham.

Palace, what? Ocho, Ocho, Ocho, listen. Look, boy, I had to have a long talk with my mama about this hill. I was a year. I ain't, shh. Townhouse. I ain't going to go to no townhouse after seeing this.

Hey, Joe, hey, Joe, I got to come out there, haul at you, boy. Come see me. Come see me. Hey, you, like you say, your property, that's a property. That ain't no house.

Hey, Ocho. Hell, damn. I've been blessed, Ojo. It ain't just a house. I got three kids. All over the, I said, man, how I'm going to make this work? I was like, ooh.

I said, man, boy, oh, Joe, I, I, I, I, I, swore for God and two white men, I was eating ketchup with a knit needle. Bad look here. I ain't, man, I ain't never ate so much tuna, oatmeal, and eggs in my life. Man, I went to Sam's. I was buying like seven, eight dozen, like 20 dozen eggs at a time. I was getting cake. I was getting pallets of tuna.

That's all I can eat. I got to pay for the house. I got to pay for the house before. That's all I'm like. Hey, hey, listen, you got to make you got a sacrifice, huh? You wanted, you wanted that house? Had to sacrifice. Listen, I understand your pain.

I've been there before. Maybe not, maybe not to that extent. But listen, we've all had the sacrifice something, but something else that we like and we love. We appreciate at that time. knowing it's out of our budget. Hey. Knowing good and well because we know it's coming.

Ain't had no, didn't, ain't had no tape, nothing to either. I didn't. I had a couch and I had a bed. That's all I had for. Hey. Hey, oh, go. Hey, look.

Hey, hey, that shit, hey, you working hard as I don't know what. I had a king's out bed. I had a king's out bed. Uh, what's that? Uh, you remember the furniture store Huffs, Joe? Right there on Middice Row by that church. It used to be a glass.

It was a big glass builder right there. But the furniture, that's what it all, all the high-end black entertainers and limb, they used to go get their furniture from there. Yeah, yeah. Yeah, you probably spent the brick. I do that. But you know, I had to get my bag.

I had to go. Oh, Joe. Oh, Joe. I had a bed now. But you know, my bed was black lacquer. Black lacquer. Oh. And it light up.

Like an infinity, like infinity. And like Ellie, hold on, you had LED lights. Before it was cool, before it was it, before it was in style. Right. Right. And let me tell you what I did. Let me tell you what I had, Ocho. I was flurred a little bit.

I went all in out. Like I said, I was even catch up with a knit needle. Come on. Take your time. And I had me a leather comforter, custom made for the baby. Oh, boy, you could have. Oh, level? A leather?

Think of what? Lever Lever Comforta Comfort for the bed Yeah Oh yeah You could

Then I did a card Signing You know I did a car You know back then You saw a kind of signed cards Uh uh uh They gave your boy a little money I signed like

$2,000 car Got me about 12 5 Yeah Bought me some Satin sheets Satin Hey

How about this here Man I see a in the movies, how they run jumping the bed. How I go jump in the bed and slide my ass always comes the floor to the other side. On the floor I will. I said, oh, man, this don't look good.

This ain't functional. Hey, hey, hold up, but why are you talking, oh, Joe, y'all still don't do a car signers? I do, I do every blue moon, Joe. Because back then, you know, my brother would take me like they wanted my brother. He had just, in the beginning, they wanted my brother because he had, you know,

under triple crown, he was all pro, you know, a hundred catch season, back to back, a hundred catch season. So they wanted him and the only way he would go do the signing, they had to take me. So they thought you boy, $2,500, $5,000. Right, right, right, right. I mean, one time I signed 10,000 cards.

Damn. And one thing, they gave you three months. Yeah. Oh, to get through it? Okay, okay. But I had a couch. I had a couch and had no TV. But I had a bed.

The bed was nice. I've been saying the bed was nice. The bed was nice. Oh. Yeah, hey, I'm still doing car signers. It is Dave, boy, the way they right. Yeah, yeah, yeah. I still sign a lot, boy.

Bad. I say, boy, hey, I look back. I look back. I think by some time now, I just be laying it. I was like, damn. This thing could have went sideways in a hurry. Oh, yeah. I ain't have no choice.

You told me, oh, you were shooting up. Yeah, I was shooting up. But I got three, I got to get on that. I got three kids. They are daycare. And I got, I still got to take care of granted. I still got to take care of living. Mom every once in a while plus the kid.

That's my number one responsibility. So if I got to do without, I'm cool. People's like, man. Right. I could train myself. go a couple of days without eating. Hey, be killing you. Yeah.

Be killing you. You're so hungry. But I say, nah, I got to put myself in situation. Because if I ever have to not be able to eat, I'm going to be good with it. Yeah. Hey, oh, it's a lot of people, they ain't going to be to understand what you're saying. No, no, no, no, Joe. It's a lot of us.

It's a lot of us who have been there and done that. Hey, Joe, the funny thing about it is is the people, the people aren't going to understand because they've only seen the finish shot up. They've only seen the finish price. They only seen you on Sundays. They don't understand the walk you took and the path you took to get to where you are. They don't understand the sacrifices that came along that goddamn journey before you got to. Yes.

What you see on Sundays? They'll never get it on. They'll never get it. When I coined the phrase to me, I wore summer clothes. I told him when I went to college, I said, man, I wore summer clothes. Man, look at me. What you mean summer clothes? Some of my brothers, some of my uncles, some of my uncles, some of my

Cubs. Hey, they just passed that bang on down. Oh, yeah. Hey. I'm like, they so speaking with us last year. I got the way. Man, listen. And when they got too small for me,

that's the jeans they cut up. And you know back there, you know, you're on your head, you're on your knees. You put holes in your knees in their jeans. My grandma would have gotten too small for me. All that stitching. Come on, granny. This was in college.

No, I was in coming up in school. I was coming up. Oh, yeah. But no, when I was in college, you know, look, I went to college. Oh, yeah. I had matching luggage. I had two pigly wiggly bags with everything I own inside of them. I had matching luggage on your joke.

Pigley Wiggly. No, it might have been winning next at the time. They changed the name to pickling, but I had two brown bags. You don't believe in asked past the board. I went to college, class of 86. That's what we call ourselves 86. Ask them how I showed up. Two in Dixie Brown,

brown grocery bags. I had everything I own in those bags. Hey, I believe, boy, I ain't have much in that when I went to college neither. I ain't gonna lie to you. I used to wear the crap out of them Arkansas Razorback Swiss.

Ocho, we ain't held no to that. I'm talking about all kind of stuff on them sweats. Hey, like it was designer, uh, man, what you're talking about? And you remember, uh, Like in the dorm, you had like, we had one washing, we had two washes, two dryers. Now, think about it, you got long,

you might got 70 guys, two washes, two drives. So guess what happened? Guess what happened? If your stuff, your stuff, you're not there to see it. It's going to be on the talk. It's somebody else stuff in there. And you just hope your best eyes on shirt and your best stuff. You see somebody with coming on, you don't ask me.

Hey, hey, hey, you already know, though. When you're down there watching them clothes in college, you got to stay down there with it. Oh, yeah. You can't put the standard clothes and tell me about you going to go to your world. Okay. Okay. Okay.

Hey, that was the best thing on show. When I got a girlfriend, I got a girlfriend by junior year. Yeah. Yeah. Hey, you thought, hey. Hey, she took care everything. I ain't washed it, folded up, because you know, I'm just washing.

I'm, hey, I'm dumping everything in there together. Throwing powder in there? Yeah. Hey, you ain't said, you ain't separating nothing. You washing white and blacks and colors. I'm watching everything. I just knew you couldn't put bleach in color.

But everything else, hey, tied. That's the only, that's the only thing we always use. We only use tied. We have no fabric softener. We have nothing. Static. In their powder. All you have.

I have my four pair of socks stuck to my jeans. Chad, y'all know what I'm talking about. I ain't the only one. Hey, I remember those days, what, hey. Hey, that's throwback. That's throwback. Ocho, is it rare to see Pete Carroll? Because the one thing we know about Pete Carroll, he can rebuild.

Look at what he did at USC. Look at what he did at Seattle. Are you surprised that they didn't give him more time to try to get this thing turned around than one year? No, absolutely not. I'm not surprised at all. Obviously, because where they were ranked offensively and defensively, I'm not sure if the players were responding to Pete Carroll. Obviously, I think they want to go a little bit younger when it comes to the coaching staff

that they want to bring in. They want to go in a completely different direction, obviously. I love Pete. I love what Peter's been able to do at the NFL level, at the collegiate level. But it's obvious that Tom and others that are making those calls in that building want to go much younger to another. the coach where the players a little bit more receptive

to what they have to say. But think about what he had in Seattle. They get Russ, they get Shurn, they get B. Wags, they get Cliff Averill. They get Earl Thomas. They got Cam. Look at what they're doing now.

They trade for beast mode. They draft those receivers. Curse and Baldwin. You see? Look at what they got. Yeah. Now you got Russ. Now you got a nucleus.

What a nucleus is in in, excuse me, in Vegas. It ain't Macon Crosby, Brock Bowles, even though it's early. And with that, it wasn't until they got the quarterback with Russ. Yeah. That they were able,

in part with that Legion of Boone. They get Michael Bennett, you know, they get Michael Bennett, and they get, you know, Malcolm Smith, and they get a couple of these other guys, and whoo, yeah, voila. Yeah. That took, that took,

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